Re: [libreoffice-users] opening powerpoint files restart the computer
Hi :) As we keep pointing out Win7 and Windows generally is a bit of a resource hog. 1 more stick of 1Gb Ram would probably help. Better to get 2 new sticks as a matched pair so that you can get an additional 10% bump on performance. Better still if you can get sticks that are about as fast as your mbord can handle. A decent power supply might help but don't go crazy with it unless you plan to use it in a future hardware-upgrade. 350 Watt is usually plenty but you might find something that is more energy efficient and doesn't draw so much mains power if it's not using much. A new fan might help especially if you can re-arrange existing ones to push out more at the back or through the top of the case. Alternatively just install Ubuntu or Mageia or something like that as a dual-boot alongside your Win7. They use so much less resources that you will find the machine runs a lot more quietly, less hot, much faster and quiet possibly drawing so much less power that your Usb ports become quiet usable again. The 'new' or acquired hardware route should cost under £100. Trying a different OS is likely to be free. There are plenty of people on this list that could help you install one of the GnuLinux OSes although i suspect that each person has their own idea of what might be best for you. Generally i would recommend taking various different ones for a test-drive before committing yourself to installing one. Generally it is better to do this using a Usb-stick but it can be done with a Cd or Dvd drive. Most GnuLinux distros allow you to run a LiveCd session to test drive their OS. When you have tried a few then you might notice you prefer the lookfeel of some but others work better with your hardware. It doesn't really matter which one you install first as they all work much the same as each other and it's fairly easy to move from one to another later on, after you have become more accustomed to what your needs are. Some people install a different one each week but that's a bit extreme. Others stay with just one for a decade. Most of us are in the middle somewhere. A LiveCd session leaves no trace on your computer. It should pick-up on all the hardware that you have plugged in at the time and be able to find your internet connection. Sometimes some of them need a little coaxing. Some people use LiveCd sessions regularly for safer internet banking or to repair systems while others use them just to test-drive different systems. Your ISP still logs everything you do in just the same way as they would in Windows so avoid breaking any 'local' laws in the same way as normal. Oddly i find it's the cheapest blank Cds you can buy that are better for this. I think more expensive CDs are more highly tuned for data-storage rather than for running an OS. I've even had really expensive Cds fail and then 1 from a cheap pack of 20 (the packs that cost less than a small(ish) lump of bad cheese) worked fine. On 1 machine the Cd-drive appeared to be almost completely dead in Windows but i managed to get a tiny GnuLinux distro called SLiTaz (30Mb) onto the Cd. Then i booted the LiveCd of that. It's so tiny that you can even take the Cd out while still running the LiveCd session (it's really running entirely inside Ram without even touching your hard-drive or Cd-drive). With SLiTaz the Cd-drive was rock-solid so i was able to make a Cd of Ubuntu. Then because Ubuntu had been made using the same Cd-drive i was finally able to boot-up a LiveCD session of Ubuntu. The LiveCd session usually allows you to install the OS and if so then it usually allows you to play simple games while you are waiting for the installer to do the next thing. On more advanced hardware you could be doing emailing, watching a movie, playing a game and surfing the internet all while doing the installing but that's a bit extreme. The 1st thing is to try a few different LiveCd sessions so you can find out what you prefer the look of, and which works better and which you are happier using as your first. Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Demétrio Soares demetrio.soa...@gmail.com Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; Gabriel Risterucci cleyf...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 8:44 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] opening powerpoint files restart the computer Hi Demétrio As I suspected, I've been in IT since 1976, so a lot of experience helps with a good gut feel. Yes an old system, but as you say it suffices for your current needs. I would suspect you system is using DDR2 memory applicable for hardware at the time. What you could do, as a cheap and helpful upgrade is see if you can get your hands on another stick of 1GB RAM, it should not break the bank, as DDR2 RAM is still available. As you indicated, you have 1.5MB
[libreoffice-users] 2 news clippings of interest
Hi :) 2 articles of interest covering topics we frequently discuss at length on this list. These articles provide stats and links to reinforce many of the various points of view put forwards by many people here (even (or especially?) the ones i disagree with). 75% (approx) of LO's devs are volunteers, around 12% are paid devs from various companies, for some weird reason 12% is attributed to OOo. Apache OO have their own sliver. Of the paid devs 50% are from SuSE. (note to self to give openSuSE a test drive soon). It would be interesting to see a similar doughnut from Apache http://documentfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/developers7.jpg From http://documentfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/developers6.jpg only around 12% of the current code is untouched OOo code!! Around 1/3rd of the cleaner, newer code has been provided by volunteers. 25% by SuSE employees and another 25% by RedHat employees. The remainder provided by an interesting list of companies of which i've only heard of Canonical and Apache (err and Codeweavers (oh and Intel of course)) but all seem to be 'quite' important. Two of the comments at the bottom of Italos post really kinda bug me http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2013/07/22/getting-close-to-libreoffice-4-1/ They seem to be trying to turn the debate into being about a single side-issue, some irrelevant person's personal agenda. The response that refutes it just draws more attention to the single issue. It would be great if future posts just ignored those and made positive statements about LibreOffice and TDF as a whole or addressed points raised in the article itself. Such a positive and informative article deserves respect rather than a flame-war! Actually looking around at many articles about LibreOffice i notice that quite a few are sidelined by blatant attempts to start flame-wars or comments that make it difficult to post links to the articles in family-friendly environments. If only the comments were at all related to the articles, perhaps developing reasoned debate about the issues discussed! With the 4.0.0 release i meant to go around and give supportive User Support to people that posted question about how to do this or that or fix something. Mostly i planned to just give them links to AskLO, this mailing list and to the wiki or documentation on the official site. Regards from Tom :) From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: market...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 9:38 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] 2 news clippings of interest Today we have Italo's pre-announcement of the 4.1 and a rather personal one at that (which I can totally relate to): http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2013/07/22/getting-close-to-libreoffice-4-1/ And a TechRepublic article on LibreOffice Base, which is also good: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/doityourself-it-guy/diy-create-a-database-form-in-libreoffice-base-design-view/ Enjoy, -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint Mobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 24. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Kerning issue with LIbreOffice 4 and Helvetica font
Hi :) iow thanks for the report. No need to file a bug-report about it as there already is one. Please install 4.0.4 to replace your 4.1.0. Thanks, apols and regards form Tom :) From: Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 7:56 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Kerning issue with LIbreOffice 4 and Helvetica font Le 18/07/2013 20:17, pfrost a écrit : Hi Patrick, In LibreOffice 4.1.0.1, if I open a document containing Helvetica font and export to PDF, the Helvetica font has horrible kerning--almost all spaces between words are removed, making the PDF very difficult to read. If I open the same document in LibreOffice 3.4.5, it exports to PDF just fine--spaces between words are easy to identify making the quote easy to read.Is this a known issue with LibreOffice 4? Is there a simple fix?I'm attaching a sample doc which contains Helvetica font and the resulting PDF.Best regards,Patrick There is a known bug report about this for LO 4.1.0.1, but I don't have it to hand right now. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] CRITBINOM function description is wrong
Hi :) If anyone could try out this weird function and let us know what the results are then the documentation and translators teams might be able to describe it correctly. So far Oasis doesn't seem to know what it does and MS can't decide what their equivalent function does either! Regards from Tom :) From: Mihovil Stanic mihovil.sta...@gmail.com To: l...@global.libreoffice.org; documentat...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 6:48 Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] CRITBINOM function description is wrong Nice catch. Oasis says it's greater then http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part2.html#CRITBINOM MS Office says less then in function title description http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/excel-functions-by-category-HA102752955.aspx?CTT=1 and then it says greater then in function description http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/critbinom-function-HA102753199.aspx?CTT=5origin=HA102752955 LO says less then. Would be nice if someone could actually use this formula and say which is true. :) Best regards, Mihovil Dana 22.7.2013. 1:44, Sérgio Marques je napisao: File: scalc/01.po Context: 04060183.xhp par_id3149254 49 help.txt Comments: yXdFy ahelp hid=HID_FUNC_KRITBINOMReturns the smallest value for which the cumulative binomial distribution is less than or equal to a criterion value. /ahelp Should be: ahelp hid=HID_FUNC_CRITBINOMReturns the smallest value for which the cumulative binomial distribution is greater than or equal to a criterion value./ahelp Also in: File: sc/source/ui/src.po Context: scfuncs.src RID_SC_FUNCTION_DESCRIPTIONS2.SC_OPCODE_KRIT_BINOM 1 string.text Comments: o6CUv Should be: Context: scfuncs.src RID_SC_FUNCTION_DESCRIPTIONS2.SC_OPCODE_CRIT_BINOM 1 string.text -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Automatic sizing of documents in single window
Hi :) Is it a Draw document/picture or an Impress slide-show? If so the extra panes are for fairly crucial things you are likely to need when editing. Regards from Tom :) From: jumper46 scott...@mailnull.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 16:50 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Automatic sizing of documents in single window Is there a function to automatically size several documents (as they are brought into focus) into a single display window? In Windows, one is adding panes to the window. I wish to eliminate having to resize every document each time I add or remove another in the display. Jumper -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Automatic-sizing-of-documents-in-single-window-tp4066684.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop-integration
Hi :) I think the desktop integration packages normally get added around the time that beta-testing is over. It might have happened earlier in some branches, such as the 4.0.0 but when beta testing it's fairly normal to find one or 2 things are not quite finalised. Normally you just report problem and get on with the rest to see if you can find anything else. Getting bogged down with 1 issue means you miss the chance to explore the rest. Thanks for testing so far though! Good work. Good luck with the rest! :) Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 15:09 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop-integration Girvin This is a topic I have some interest in and have been following. While I am aware of the capacity to run the soffice script from the terminal and even creating a custom launcher for the Gnome, XFCE4 and in Mint, Mate panels, what I am curious about is exactly why doing so is even necessary in the first place? This will have been the first time in my experience of using OOo and now LibO that doing this manually is necessary, and it makes me wonder what value the desktop-integration package has if the user still needs to do this customised approach to get the application to work. Are you able to shine any light on the matter? Is this an oversight from the 4.1. beta developers, a bug, or - a feature? Similarly, any ideas about why this desktop integration (which doesn't) is only geared for the KDE and not for Gnome (and Gnome-like) DEs? Thanks for any insights you can share. On 21/07/13 20:47, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Heinrich, Have you tried bringing LibreOffice up with soffice in a terminal shell, or unambiguously, /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/soffice (less quotes, of course)? If that works, then you could manually add a link in your menu or at least an icon on your desktop. soffice is the main libreoffice program or, more accurately, script, that invokes the other programs (Writer, Calc, etc.). If that program is not run first, then the others may not be initialized properly to run. You could also run writer, calc, etc. from a terminal and see what messages are output from it. They may give you a clue as to why it isn't running properly. But my bet is on soffice. FYI: soffice is a legacy name from the StarOffice days. Maybe some day the devs will get around to changing that - unless it would break something. Hope this helps. Girvin Herr snip -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Some content in ODP slide appears only in slide show view of Impress, not in normal view or PDF output
Hi :) In this sort of situation is it possible to go into the file as a though it's a zip-file and fix it by just editing a couple of easy things in there? ie filename.odp to filename.zip and then edit the xml file in there? Would that be an easier approach to fixing a LOT of files in a big batch run? Regards from Tom :) From: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013, 20:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Some content in ODP slide appears only in slide show view of Impress, not in normal view or PDF output Hi vi5u0, The document has damaged content. The error is not in LO but already in the file. In detail: The document contains a lot of objects which has got an attribute svg:viewbox=0 0 0 0. Having a viewbox with width and height zero means, that the object is not displayed. When you try to edit the objects, you will notice, that they vanish in edit view too. If I set a proper width and height manually in the file souce, the upper drawings are shown. The question is, how was the file generated? Most of the objects are of draw:type=ooxml-rect. That suggests, that the original file was a .pptx. Which application was used to convert it to .odp? Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Automatic sizing of documents in single window
Hi :) Please, when replying do a Reply to all or Group reply or Reply to list. Thanks for trying to work-around the 'problem' of me getting duplicates of your replies but i really don't mind getting duplicates. It's easy to hit the delete key. I think we are supposed to delete-out individual's addresses from the To and CC fields but sometimes that means the person that posted doesn't get any of the replies because they are not properly subscribed to the mailing list. It's easier just to send to the list and everyone and let them quickly hit their delete key when they see the same message got through twice. The mailing lists used to have a really clever way of handling all this but various people prefer it this way around :( The rest of us have just learned to live with it. Sorry about all that!! It should be possible to Cascade any windows that are in a group on your taskbar surely? Don't you just right-click on the 'button' on the taskbar and select Cascade? Win Xp and earlier going back to Win98 had something like that didn't they? Vista and Win7 too? So, is this problem only happening on Win8? Also which version of LibreOffice are you using? If you have any trouble at all with 4.1.0 then just uninstall it and go back to 4.0.4. That 3rd digit show how many service packs the branch has had so about .4 becomes very very stable and predictable. Most people will find even beta-testing versions plenty stable enough but some will find odd things that don't quite work for them, in which case just go back to the stable branch. Regards from Tom :) From: scott...@mailnull.com scott...@mailnull.com To: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 20:57 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Automatic sizing of documents in single window Hello, Tom, and thanks for replying The documents (at this time) are all text and spreadsheet. The ones that I open as a group all contain different, but related, information that I consolidate or replace. After I get this data together, it will be time for the slide-show (or dog and pony show, depending on whose watching.) In MSOffice, I had the option of selecting all or some of these and having them tile or cascade in the window (using the MS terms.) That's what I'm trying to replicate. Right now, I'm doing this manually, and anything of three kills a great deal of time. I may be out of luck or have to wait for another version to roll out. Regards, Jumper BTW, the reply on the LO web site tried to send your answer to me to you again, so I'm replying directly. Hi :) Is it a Draw document/picture or an Impress slide-show? If so the extra panes are for fairly crucial things you are likely to need when editing. Regards from Tom :) From: jumper46 scott...@mailnull.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 16:50 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Automatic sizing of documents in single window Is there a function to automatically size several documents (as they are brought into focus) into a single display window? In Windows, one is adding panes to the window. I wish to eliminate having to resize every document each time I add or remove another in the display. Jumper -- This message was sent from a MailNull anti-spam account. You can get your free account and take control over your email by visiting the following URL. http://mailnull.com/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 2 news clippings of interest
Hi :) What may be trivial to one person is a big deal to another. Even just 'trivial' changes have involved reading, understand, possibly translating and then re-typing stuff that is wy beyond the ken of most of us. A major part of the code clean-up has been taking out comments some of which are still there even though the code they were commenting about may have been dropped a decade ago. The download size of LibreOffice is under 70% the size it was when the projects forked. Smaller, lighter, faster might be trivial to some but many of us really appreciate the reduction in size and increase in speed. Regards from Tom :) From: Urmas davian...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 13:10 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: 2 news clippings of interest only around 12% of the current code is untouched OOo code!! Do you understand that this comes from an obsolete diff tool which treats trivial changes like indents and comments as an entirely new code? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing problems
Hi :) I find that tricky too actually. Everyone in this country seems to have their printers configured to print on US letter despite actually using A4. Then if someone sends them an A4 page to print onto the A4 it comes out as 2 pages with just a tiny bit of the page printed at the top of the next sheet. On my own machines, well the company's machines, i go around and set them to print on A4 but then if a new machine arrives i have no idea whether it's trying to print to A4 or what. Also what about new users logging in at a machine they haven't used before? Are they now on US Letter again or not? It seems that with LibreOffice it always seems to know that A4 should be being used. None of this messing around. Regards from Tom :) From: Jean Milot milot.j...@gmail.com To: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 15:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing problems Hi, I haven't problem with the drivers. I have about 20 printers configured. Sincerely, Jean 2013/7/23 Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:55:07 -0400, Jean Milot milot.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I search how to : - configure all the printers with A4 by defaulr - configure all the printers with postcript level and not PDF And somebody know why with CUPS, i need to reload the printers Fichier - Paramètrage de l'imprimante ( FIle - Printer setting ) Thanks for your help. I work on debian with CUPS on an other server. LO : last version Sincerely, Jean Jean, To manage your printers if the OS is having problems use localhost:631 get to the CUPS admin. Findig the correct driver can be tricking. For example some Konica-Minolta printers have the correct driver listed under Minolta. I do not know why you have to reload the printers unless the wrong driver is installed. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscribe@global.**libreoffice.orgusers%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- MILOT Jean Tél. : 0659514624 milot.j...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing problems
Hi :) Ahhh, right! So when i have just logged into the printers and set it there it should mean all the machines pick-up the A4 setting from there. So it's not a per desktop-machine setting? Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 15:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing problems On 07/23/2013 08:55 AM, Jean Milot wrote: Hello, I search how to : - configure all the printers with A4 by defaulr - configure all the printers with postcript level and not PDF And somebody know why with CUPS, i need to reload the printers Fichier - Paramètrage de l'imprimante ( FIle - Printer setting ) Thanks for your help. I work on debian with CUPS on an other server. LO : last version Sincerely, Jean Are you trying to set these printer defaults for LibreOffice only, or for all printer? I assume you are using Debian based system, like Ubuntu or Mint, if not Debian itself. I use Ubuntu 12.04 and LO 4.0.4. For my system, I would go to Applications / Office / Printer Administration Then set the printer defaults there. See if that helps. Since you use a printserver, it seems, on a system you do not have control of, there are not as many options. You are in a region of the world that uses A4 paper size, right? Why would the printers be setup as that size by default? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing problems
Hi :) So i do that to the printer-server, or to individual desktops? I kinda like the idea of settign the setting at the printer and leaving the desktops to use that as their default. Regards from Tom :) From: Walther Koehler w.koeh...@onlinemed.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 17:28 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing problems Hi, if you are with cups on Debian or similar configuration use lpoptions your_printer -o media=A4 in a shell script Walther Am Dienstag, 23. Juli 2013 schrieb Tom Davies: Hi :) I find that tricky too actually. Everyone in this country seems to have their printers configured to print on US letter despite actually using A4. Then if someone sends them an A4 page to print onto the A4 it comes out as 2 pages with just a tiny bit of the page printed at the top of the next sheet. On my own machines, well the company's machines, i go around and set them to print on A4 but then if a new machine arrives i have no idea whether it's trying to print to A4 or what. Also what about new users logging in at a machine they haven't used before? Are they now on US Letter again or not? It seems that with LibreOffice it always seems to know that A4 should be being used. None of this messing around. Regards from Tom :) From: Jean Milot milot.j...@gmail.com To: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 15:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing problems Hi, I haven't problem with the drivers. I have about 20 printers configured. Sincerely, Jean 2013/7/23 Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:55:07 -0400, Jean Milot milot.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I search how to : - configure all the printers with A4 by defaulr - configure all the printers with postcript level and not PDF And somebody know why with CUPS, i need to reload the printers Fichier - Paramètrage de l'imprimante ( FIle - Printer setting ) Thanks for your help. I work on debian with CUPS on an other server. LO : last version Sincerely, Jean Jean, To manage your printers if the OS is having problems use localhost:631 get to the CUPS admin. Findig the correct driver can be tricking. For example some Konica-Minolta printers have the correct driver listed under Minolta. I do not know why you have to reload the printers unless the wrong driver is installed. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscribe@global.**libreoffice.orgusers%2bunsubscr...@global.li breoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-un subscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives. libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- MILOT Jean Tél. : 0659514624 milot.j...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
Hi :) I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or any 2 versions of AOO or OOo. Basically avoid having both open at the same time. That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them. This link might help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which better meets my techno-needs. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unable to change url for persona settings
Hi :) I think time to post a bug report! https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport Just copy*paste the old settings over the top of the new ones might mean some settings are not quite suitable for the new branch. It's not very likely imo especially for something like personas/themes that have been around for quite a while now but it might be a case where you need to reinstall the 4.1.x and let it adjust any settings it needs to. Definitely keep an untweaked copy of your 4.0.x settings though in case you need to go back to the current stable branch! Regards from Tom :) From: Scott Castaline skotch...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 4:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unable to change url for persona settings Yes 4.1.?.? the persona feature is broke. You can only change it or edit it by doing it manually by adding the jpg files to the .config/libreoffice/4/user/gallery/persona sub-dirs. If the persona sub-dir does not exist than just create it and dump the jpg there. Also you will have to manually edit the registrymodifications.xcu file. This just an xml file. Look for the 2 lines that have Persona and the second one has PersonaSettings after oor:name=. You will want the 2nd line, horizontal scroll to the type valueand type in the name of the jpg file (ie 3.jpg;bas5.jpg;#d5f3fa;#00 is what is in mine for star trek image.) I got the mentioned values when I tried coping my libreoffic config folders from 4.0.4.2 into my 4.1.?.? folders and found that it worked. I found the difference based on the comments in the 2 bugs that Peter had mentioned. Once I changed the new files I switched back. The xcu files are very different in size so I'm not sure if keeping the older version in place may disallow some new feature from working properly. On 07/23/2013 08:49 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 07/23/2013 04:40 PM, Scott Castaline wrote: On 07/21/2013 04:30 AM, Peter Maunder wrote: Bad2theBone wrote -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just recently started checking out Fedora 19 on another system. This version comes with LibreOffice 4.1. I found that I was not able to setup my Persona settings in this version. My main system has 4.0.4.2 and just on a hunch I copied the libreoffice sub-dir in .config to my test system after renaming it on that system. It now works, although I haven't tried changing it now that I think of it since doing that. Anyone know enough about the config db or file to shed some light on why this happened. Also is there any major difference between config tool in 4.0 verses 4.1 that could create problems? Or is it possible to be a Fedora thing and not generic LibreOffice problem? Have a look at bugs 63498 and 59230 to see whether yours is a related problem. I have the same symptoms with 4.1 debian install and Ubuntu 12.04 and Mint-Mate Maya... Peter I use Ubuntu 12.04 and MATE desktop and have seen no issues with using the Persona option. I have no problem in changing it to whatever one I want, as long as I have the URL of the Firefox persona page. I have made 26 persona files and posted them on FF's site and change my 4.0.4 version on Ubuntu and Windows every so often. No problems so far. So are you telling us that 4.1.0.x has given up our ease of using/changing persona[s]? The only thing that 4.0.x had issues with, in the past, was using the font/text color that was defined withing the persona. In the past, if you had a dark background and light text defined, LO did not pick up the light text color and the text was shown in default black text. There was a move to fix that issue. Could that work caused the current issues? I do not know. Of course, I have to tried 4.1.0.x - since I rarely install a RC version of package. Yes, that's exactly what I experienced. For now I have the .config sub-dirs from my system running Fedora 18 and LO 4.0.4.2 copied onto the system running Fedora 19 and LO 4.1.?.?. Since I saved my original config on that system I may try restoring it and manually create the persona sud-dir with the jpg files. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Unable-to-change-url-for-persona-settings-tp4066430p4066450.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sent from my home PC running Fedora18 to you and NSA, FBI, CIA, HSA and God only knows who else -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?
Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
Hi :) I have it on for my colleagues to make LO start-up just that bit faster. They pick on any slightest thing as a blocker and slower start-up drives them up the wall. They really have no clue about adding Extensions and haven't used LO enough to grumble about any 'missing' functionality. if they did i would add the appropriate Extension for them. I already do the updates for them anyway. Admittedly i am not in a perfect position and it's probably not a good idea to copy me. On my own logins i avoid the quick-starter because there is plenty else to get on with while waiting for something to open. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 10:51 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? On 07/24/2013 12:33 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote: Hi. I have 3.6, 4.1dev. and AOO 4.0 installed together on my mac. Steve On 2013-07-24 12:41, V Stuart Foote wrote: Yes if one or both are fully installed (as opposed to /A administrative installs) they will interfere in subtle ways. Actions to mitigate: 1) Disable the Quickstarter for both during installation -- the TDF LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice versions will conflict--best if both are off. Done from AppWiz.cpl and a modify installation of both. I always disable the Quickstart option. In the past, having it active caused issues to updating some of the add on extensions. 2) Also, only one or the other should have the Windows Explorer Integration enabled (it provides a thumbnail view of ODF documents) in Desktop or Thumbnail views in Windows Explorer (Desktop and other folder views). Personally I also leave that unchecked when installing. 3) Finally, if using the release rather than development builds. The Windows registry will be written with file associations--the two programs should coexist to open a file type, but only one can be set as the default for any particular ODF or MS Office format. So keep track of that. Good luck. From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:13 PM To: Virgil Arrington; us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Hi :) I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or any 2 versions of AOO or OOo. Basically avoid having both open at the same time. That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them. This link might help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which better meets my techno-needs. Virgil -- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Calc copypaste Fw: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO
Hi :) I have had a few issues copypating lately. Not sure i can pin it down to a single app or single OS. Seems that nowadays if i copy something and then close the document i copied it from then paste 'forgets' and goes back to the previous thing i copied/cut. If i keep the document open then paste works just fine. Is your current and recent problem likely to be something similar? Err, because there are 2 separate questions i tried to break this Calc issue out into a separate thread by Forwarding this email back to this mailing list. Reply to all hopefully works fine now. Regards from Tom :) - Forwarded Message - From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 9:26 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO Hi Everyone Well this is now my turn to ask for some help, and to see if any of you have or are experiencing these issues. This applies to both my Windows version, and Ubuntu Raring versions of LO, so a common occurrence. And it has persisted since I migrated over to LO. Your responses will assist me before I send this as a bug report, missing feature. In Calc, I cannot copy and paste any data content out of the input line at the top i.e. right click the mouse and copy using the now non existent drop down menu. This goes for an existing spreadsheet or creating a new one. In the past, not sure if it was early versions of LO Calc, or OOo Calc, but I could do this, no problems. I copy from a lot of pricelists and other similiar type spreadsheets, and paste into order sheets or directly into emails for my business, and I find now the only workaround is to highlight the content and Ctrl c to copy it, or using the menu Edit. This needs to be looked at and added as a feature, or returned as a feature. MS Office Excel has always allowed this as well. This next one is in Writer, and many of my clients have this issue as well, and I feel this is a major failure or feature exclusion. Writer cannot handle the copy and paste of multiple image files, such as photos etc, and then automatically space them one below the other. Many of my clients are in the field as motor vehicle assessors and take multiple pictures of vehicle repairs (up to about twenty per vehicle), process them to reduce their physical size, then paste them into a word processor and compile into a PDF before emailing to the insurance houses. MS Office can do this and has always done this with no issues whatsoever, but LO Writer simply dumps the images one on top of the other, with a lot of unnecessary work to have to drag and place each image in order below the previous one. And this is not consistent, sometimes Writer fails with a lot of photos (noticeably more than five). This lack of feature is now forcing many of my customers to return to MSO, and I feel it needs to be addressed and fixed. Regards -- Andrew Brown -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Customizing Number Format of each level in Writer-Tools-Outline Numbering
Hi :) Sorry! I couldn't find the section in the guides but you might find this helpful https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Writer_Guide on a side issue you might find Chapter 12 interesting Creating Tables of Contents, Indexes, and Bibliographies. There is a plug-in/add-on/Extension that might help with that, i think Zotero? http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation How rigid is the template? Can you create a fresh new Odt document in LibreOffice and follow the guidelines of the template without having to copypaste anything from their template into your new document? If there are bits you need to copy can you use paste-special to paste as unformatted text? Ctrl Shift v rather than just Ctrl v A fresh start means you neatly avoid getting stuck with lots of legacy formatting codes that might spring surprises on you randomly in the future. It gives you more control over what you do. If it is rigid and you can't just start afresh then it might be worth asking the University if they could give you an OpenDocument Format (ODF, specifically Odt) version rather than the proprietary one. If not then perhaps be insolent and ask them to buy and give you the product, that is made by a foreign company, in order to be able to use their template. Perhaps push further and ask them to supply it in a non-American 'local' language. Errr, i am guessing you are outside of the USA because most of the world is. Also i assumed that your native language is not English (US) because, again, most of the world speaks other languages as their 1st language, even inside the US. Also note that ODF is an ISO standard. ISO meaning it is agreed by an international agency made from people of many different nationalities. While DocX also has a version that is an ISO standard that is not the one implemented in any version of MS Office so far because they all tweak it some different way that is non-compliant with the standards. Point out that you already have the necessary tools for the job but the only reason you would have to buy product from a foreign company is to complete this 1 task, the thesis. The tools you already have do everything else better. Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013, 8:39 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Customizing Number Format of each level in Writer-Tools-Outline Numbering Hello, I need help with LibreOffice Writer - Tools - Outline Numbering. As long as I know Tools - Outline Numbering in LibreOffice Writer is somehow equivalent to defining new Multilevel list in MS Office Word 2010. But I need some features in formatting of each level in Outline Numbering, which is not available in LibreOffice Writer but is available in MS Word - Multilevel list. I need some more professional formatting of each level because I'm writing my thesis based on a template provided by my university and I have to obey that template. In that template (which is a .doc file) format of each level is defined in a particular way that can be shown correctly in MS Word, but not in LibreOffice. I need to be able to customize Number format of each level similar to MS Word like what you can see here: http://cybertext.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/word-2007-taming-multilevel-list-numbering/ If someone is professional in this issue please help me. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] couple questions
Hi :) This list is not deliberately giving specific agencies any information or posts from individuals. All your login info is protected as much as can reasonably be done (although i'm sure all sensible people give wrong information or just leave most of it blank). The posts you make are the only thing that is given out but they are publicly available by anyone, anywhere that has a web-browser possibly further. If your posts indicate you are from a specific town then some people might remember that or find it in the archives. So, obviously you would give a fake town or just not tell anyone and not hand out business cards or flyers or anything unless you wanted people to know. I vaguely recall having heard of Tor web-browsing https://www.torproject.org/ However, i heard it is quite slow. Also, as sun shine pointed out it's a bit of a waste of time i you are using Windows. There are a few OSes, such as versions of GnuLinux that do an amazing amount to protect your privacy https://tails.boum.org/ https://whonix.org/wiki/Main_Page both use Tor. If you run either of those on a machine, especially if it's not connected to the internet then you can be reasonably sure no-one can snoop. Tails has a page at DistroWatch so i feel reasonably confident about suggesting them http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=tails Probably others too but i didn't spend long looking. Whonix doesn't appear on DW although does that mean they are not GnuLinux (or Bsd) or that they are more extremely careful and really don't want to be known? Mostly i think these sorts of things are developed to protect canny journos, or people living in dangerous and paranoid countries. Military organisations seem to have only just caught onto the idea that a LiveCd is a pretty neat idea for keeping sessions secure but hopefully that is just their public face and they are working on these sorts of tools in the back-ground. Most people seem quite happy to share almost everything with everyone freely on-line through Facebook, MySpace and all the rest. Not so much a hidden back-door but a wide open front-door and in a knock all the walls down type of way. Everyone is spying on everyone else and happily uploading pictures and whatnot of everyone anywhere without any regard to any sort of privacy. We, collectively, sold out our right to privacy (in countries that bothered to pay lip-service to such concepts that have never really existed anywhere in reality) gleefully years ago. Btw for the first time in just under a decade the UbuntuForums.Com got hacked and all users email addresses got collected. However, swift action (perhaps automated?) shut the whole site down to attempt to prevent any other data getting siphoned off. I changed all my Ubuntu-related passwords quite quickly because i get paranoid quite easily so i was expecting other sites to domino but that never happened and all other sites have remained safe. Regards from Tom :) From: sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: bzaf...@hotmail.com Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013, 10:03 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] couple questions On 24/07/13 16:12, Bill Zaffer wrote: I heard about your system on Corbett Report. The reason I would want to join is do not want NSA checking my emails or other forms of communications. Am I protected with your site. Also, if I join your system, do I drop my Cox Internet Connection or still keep it plus with emails do I get to keep my Outlook or hotmail accounts? William Zaffer www.zafferhomes.com Scottsdale, Arizona 480-201-7387 Stop being exploited, learn to eat healthier at home, learn to live a Earth Friendly lifestyle, shop local, and buy more American but moderate consumption. We need to rethink and restructure the system. It is not sustainable. If you’re not prepared to be wrong, you’ll never come up with anything original.” Hello Bill You may have some misunderstanding about this email list. I'm no tech, but what I can say is this and others will no doubt correct me and give more info too: (1) this is an email-based discussion/ support list for people using LibreOffice, an open source alternative to MS Office. It does not require you to join anything (although you can subscribe for nothing to receive replies to your emails - hence I've cc'd you, since I don't know if you subscribed or not). The good news is that because LibO is open source, the chances for the NSA to have a backdoor access to this suite is vanishingly small ... although, of course, using Microsoft as your operating system already means that the NSA have a backdoor into your system - that is to say, that Microsoft is a surveillance enabled system in its own right. This is a link http://tinyurl.com/m2hnbv6 to a google search for microsoft nsa
Re: [libreoffice-users] couple questions
Hi :) Errr, ok, i have re-read this and think i misunderstood a few things. Yes, people do keep going on about security and the dangers of the internet (usually hypocritically) but we do keep your personal data about as safe as, or possibly safer than the Pentagon keeps there's or the space station keeps their commandcontrol systems, or the stock-exchanges around the world keep their's. Like all of them we use one of many unix-based systems. Hmm, not all stock-exchanges are as safe and definitely not all banks! Windows is ok as a desktop but it's not good enough when security is critical. There are many things that would be considered a security problem in unix-based systems that Windows doesn't even worry about at all, such as being forced to shut-down a machine. 1. You keep your existing internet connection. If you want to use a different one from your existing one that has nothing to do with us and if you do change then that doesn't affect us at all. As long as you get access to the internet that's all that matters really. 2. Your hotmail account or other email accounts remain the same. Again that is nothing to do with us. if you change to a different email account then you would have to re-subscribe with the new one. So, it's probably easier to just keep the one you have. Your emails come through your internet connection but if you changed email account or got a 2nd one then that would come through your internet connection too. You could have lots of different email accounts with lots of different companies or even lots from the same company but it's usually better to keep it simple and just have 1 or 2 email accounts. Your internet service provider (=isp) does not need to know about what email accounts you have. If you do ever change your isp then they also don't need to know about your email accounts. Your isp might want to know your email address so that they can write to you. 3. You can keep using Outlook. It is just a tool for reading emails. If you have lots of email accounts then you can probably get Outlook to collect them all for you but you would have to configure Outlook to do that. If you are temporarily without internet access then Outlook can probably show you your old emails but it just wont get any of the new ones until you connect again. People may tell you that you have to change to something else for any of those 3 things but that is much the same as telling you to eat greens or eat more fruit. They might think other tools are better for you but it's your choice as to what you use. Please ignore my earlier post! I thought the question was about something else. Regards from Tom :) From: sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: bzaf...@hotmail.com Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013, 10:03 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] couple questions On 24/07/13 16:12, Bill Zaffer wrote: I heard about your system on Corbett Report. The reason I would want to join is do not want NSA checking my emails or other forms of communications. Am I protected with your site. Also, if I join your system, do I drop my Cox Internet Connection or still keep it plus with emails do I get to keep my Outlook or hotmail accounts? William Zaffer www.zafferhomes.com Scottsdale, Arizona 480-201-7387 Stop being exploited, learn to eat healthier at home, learn to live a Earth Friendly lifestyle, shop local, and buy more American but moderate consumption. We need to rethink and restructure the system. It is not sustainable. If you’re not prepared to be wrong, you’ll never come up with anything original.” Hello Bill You may have some misunderstanding about this email list. I'm no tech, but what I can say is this and others will no doubt correct me and give more info too: (1) this is an email-based discussion/ support list for people using LibreOffice, an open source alternative to MS Office. It does not require you to join anything (although you can subscribe for nothing to receive replies to your emails - hence I've cc'd you, since I don't know if you subscribed or not). The good news is that because LibO is open source, the chances for the NSA to have a backdoor access to this suite is vanishingly small ... although, of course, using Microsoft as your operating system already means that the NSA have a backdoor into your system - that is to say, that Microsoft is a surveillance enabled system in its own right. This is a link http://tinyurl.com/m2hnbv6 to a google search for microsoft nsa backdoor giving 524,000 results. (2) this will in no way stop the NSA from reading your emails. If you want to do that, you have some options. One is to review http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll412.xml find out who voted No to the Amash Amendment and lobby those to actually
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Customizing Number Format of each level in Writer-Tools-Outline Numbering
Hi :) Please don't bother to translate the document or the template! It's not the contents that we are interested in so much as the formatting. Errr, since we might not understand the Farsi instructions it might be good to just translate the bit about outline numbering. You already did that in a previous email but the formatting went wrong. So if you could copypaste your earlier explanation into a fresh document and then upload that it might help us. It was this sort of thing Level Example(desired output) Associated Paragraph Style 1 Chapter 3: Chapter 2 3.2- Heading 1 3 3.2.5- Heading 2 4 3.2.5.9- Heading 3 5 (b) none 6 Fig (3.12) Fig Caption 7 (3.27) Formula 8 Table (3.20) Table Caption that i think needs to go into a fresh document. Was it a table? Was it 3 columns? I think i can just about see what it was meant to be but i cold easily be wrong. Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013, 11:30 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Customizing Number Format of each level in Writer-Tools-Outline Numbering Dear Tom, Thank you very very much for taking time trying to help me. The .doc file I'm currently working on is ~200 pages, is in Farsi language and is heavy enough that I think is not useful for you. I can share the university template too, but its main problem is that the template is mostly in Farsi and not understandable to others. But I'm sure that my problem is not because of the template or its language. So I'll translate the template to English (especially those parts of the template that are related to this problem), then I'll write an example with the translated template and I'll upload that example file. Using that example file you will exactly understand what is my problem. I guess that LO Writer UI doesn't support the exact Outline Numbering format that I want, or there is a trick or point that I don't know. But even if LO Writer doesn't support my requested feature, I believe there should be an alternative solution to make the same output, because the Outline Numbering format that I want is famous and is used in many other publications. Please wait, I'll make and upload the file and then post its link in reply to this message. On 07/25/2013 01:27 PM, Tom wrote: Hi :) Please could you upload the .doc template to Nabble so everyone can have a look and see if we can modify it ourselves? Is there anything confidential in it that should not be displayed to the world-wide general public? If so then don't upload it! In Nabble start your reply and notice the More button just above where you type the message of your reply. The top option in the More button is to upload a file in much the same way that you would for attaching a file to an email. I think your formatting got messed up by the emailing system so it might be better to just upload a file showing roughly how you want it although the template might explain it fully enough. Regards from Tom :) Sina Momken wrote Let me show you what exact Outline Numbering I want using the example below: Level Example(desired output) Associated Paragraph Style 1 Chapter 3: Chapter 2 3.2- Heading 1 3 3.2.5- Heading 2 4 3.2.5.9- Heading 3 5 (b) none 6 Fig (3.12) Fig Caption 7 (3.27) Formula 8 Table (3.20) Table Caption As you can see in the example above the '3' in Fig (3.12), (3.27) and Table (3.20) is the chapter number at level 1. But in Writer-Tools-Outline_Numbering the first digit is not '3' (level1 number) but the first digit in level 'n' with Show sublevels = 2 will be number of level 'n-1'. Therefor also in the .doc template everything is stored correctly using MS Word, but when I open it with LO Writer I see Outline Numberings as below: Level Example(Writer result) Associated Paragraph Style 1 Chapter 3: Chapter 2 3.2- Heading 1 3 3.2.5- Heading 2 4 3.2.5.9- Heading 3 5 (b) none 6 Fig (b.12) Fig Caption 7 (12.27) Formula 8 Table (27.20) Table Caption How can I achieve my desired output I mentioned in first example using LO Writer? snip / In that template (which is a .doc file) format of each level is defined in a particular way that can be shown correctly in MS Word, but not in LibreOffice. I need to be able to customize Number format of each level similar to MS Word like what you can see here: http://cybertext.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/word-2007-taming-multilevel-list-numbering/ If someone is professional in this issue please help me.
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Customizing Number Format of each level in Writer-Tools-Outline Numbering
Hi :) Ok, i had misunderstood due to some prejudices of my own. It is good to hear of a University that provides non-MS formats! In my country it is hard-work trying to get them to accept anything else. TeX is good. TeX might do the outline numbering you want by default. If you can use TeX it might be better than Writer. it might let you copypaste everything into TeX fairly easily? If you are not already familiar with TeX (most people aren't and i'm one of them) then Writer should be able to do it. I don't know how but others on the list might be able to help. Since you are already using Zotero and Writer it sounds like you are already using the best tools and already know plenty about them. The link to Chapter 12 assumed you were just about to start writing rather than being well into the middle of it already. I am not sure how to do Even if I want to make a .odt specific version, I must be able to make Figure and Table numberings with Chapter numbers in themselves. How could I do that? but hopefully someone else might be able to give you a good answer later. The problem with going backwards and forwards between different formats is that sometimes you get extra codes/mark-up hidden inside the document. Usually the best way is to keep an original in Odt and just edit that. Obviously old versions and backups of it are a good plan! Then make a copy of the document in Doc only when you need to show it to others. Any changes made in Doc are probably better copypasted back into the original Odt. it's not very convenient though! Hopefully everyone will be happy editing in Odt one day! I don't think that is the reason you are having troubles with numbering though and like you say it might well not have affected your document at all. There are many countries where most people prefer to use pirated software rather than pay for it. It's good to see some places beginning to use OpenSource more to get out of that trap. In my country i remember people being quite happy to use pirated software but now being keen to buy that software instead. It might be just because i am now working in a more corporate environment. Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013, 11:09 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Customizing Number Format of each level in Writer-Tools-Outline Numbering Dear Tom, Thank you for reading my question and trying to help. On 07/25/2013 01:17 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Sorry! I couldn't find the section in the guides but you might find this helpful https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Writer_Guide About the documentation and its chapter 12 I don't think it's useful for me now. on a side issue you might find Chapter 12 interesting Creating Tables of Contents, Indexes, and Bibliographies. There is a plug-in/add-on/Extension that might help with that, i think Zotero? http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation About Zotero, I currently use Zotero for making bibliography of my thesis. It's very convenient to use, integrates very well with LibreOffice and MS Word and is even better than its proprietary equivalent Endnote. How rigid is the template? Can you create a fresh new Odt document in LibreOffice and follow the guidelines of the template without having to copypaste anything from their template into your new document? If there are bits you need to copy can you use paste-special to paste as unformatted text? Ctrl Shift v rather than just Ctrl v About using the template I can say that using the .doc template is not necessary and my university also has provided the TeX equivalent of that template, but not .odt format. However also using the specific .doc or .tex format is not necessary but my thesis must follow its guidelines (e.g. The fonts and sizes of headers, body, figs, tables, etc.) But fortunately I could successfully import and use the .doc template and only some minor problems like what I'm asking about is still present. Actually there is no need to create a new .odt file from scratch because most of the things work well. A fresh start means you neatly avoid getting stuck with lots of legacy formatting codes that might spring surprises on you randomly in the future. It gives you more control over what you do. Even if I want to make a .odt specific version, I must be able to make Figure and Table numberings with Chapter numbers in themselves. How could I do that? If it is rigid and you can't just start afresh then it might be worth asking the University if they could give you an OpenDocument Format (ODF, specifically Odt) version rather than the proprietary one. If not then perhaps be insolent and ask them to buy and give you
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4 install deletes 3.6
Hi :) 'Fortunate' like 99.99% of people! Upgrading from 3.x.x to 4.0.x produced a startling lack of bump in traffic on this list, except old die-hards remarking on how well it went. The 4.1.0-beta gave more of a bump but still nothing like the start of a new branch used to produce here. If we take the ancient figure of 60milion users (am i remembering correctly?) world-wide and that this is the international list and gets emails from Japan, India, Iran, even New Zealand and all around the globe i think we can safely say that 1. not so many are upgrading and/or 2. not many are having troubles of course there is another possiblity but LO usage seems to be growing rapidly, not dwindling! Regards from Tom :) From: Dave Liesse dslie...@liessefamily.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 18:51 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4 install deletes 3.6 Thanks, Andrew; I hadn't noticed this before. My LO 3.4 directory is still present, but practically empty. This is NOT good behavior if the user is not notified first. I'll be sure to go back and find your earlier message and save it, for future use. When there's an upgrade (as opposed to a patch), I want the ability to test it before abandoning my old software. Guess I'm fortunate not to have had issues going from 3.4 to 4.0! Dave On 7/24/2013 08:13, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Virgil You have observed correctly. I have just done a test of installing two version of AOO under Windows 7, and quite correctly, it installs it's own local cache/store of settings, per version, thus allowing two copies to work side by side, as long as you create two distinct install folders (by default I never allow any installing program's defaults in Windows 7, many known issues with virtual links to folders etc). And correct in your observation, as well as my earlier supplied info, LO does not do this, rather opting for a single user settings store, detecting another install of LO, and uninstalling it, before installing the upgrade (or possible downgrade). But this is not a bad thing though, as covered by other respondees. The link I supplied in my earlier email shows one how to overcome this issue of LO and a universal store, allowing for two versions simultaneous and operational on Windows 7. Regards Andrew -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unable to change url for persona settings
Hi :) Thanks. Nicely handled. :) Regards from Tom :) From: Scott Castaline skotch...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 17:15 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unable to change url for persona settings Tom, there's already 2 bug reports open on this as mentioned by Peter in another post in this thread. Although I think one of them has or had been closed as it was a duplicate bug report to the original one. On 07/24/2013 03:59 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think time to post a bug report! https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport Just copy*paste the old settings over the top of the new ones might mean some settings are not quite suitable for the new branch. It's not very likely imo especially for something like personas/themes that have been around for quite a while now but it might be a case where you need to reinstall the 4.1.x and let it adjust any settings it needs to. Definitely keep an untweaked copy of your 4.0.x settings though in case you need to go back to the current stable branch! Regards from Tom :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
Hi :) Thanks :) It's actually easier for me to go from machine to machine and do 1. Open LibreOffice 2. Switch off quick starter 3. Install newer version of LO 4. Check for updates 5. switch on quick starter again than to listen to them go on and on about how slow LO is to start-up. it is a little slower than MSO but not by much. perhaps if the spalsh screen and progress bar appeared earlier to give them something to look at. Anyway i really should get on and install the 4.0.4 today if i can. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 11:58 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? There is an option in the Extension Manager to find updates. That is where I get the issue when I want to install the updates and sometimes the quickstarter will block the update, since you cannot shut down and restart LO completely with that option enabled. I do not know if it is still true with the 4.x versions, but it has been at least a year since I enabled the quickstarter option on my Ubuntu desktop and/or my Windows laptop. On 07/24/2013 06:21 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I have it on for my colleagues to make LO start-up just that bit faster. They pick on any slightest thing as a blocker and slower start-up drives them up the wall. They really have no clue about adding Extensions and haven't used LO enough to grumble about any 'missing' functionality. if they did i would add the appropriate Extension for them. I already do the updates for them anyway. Admittedly i am not in a perfect position and it's probably not a good idea to copy me. On my own logins i avoid the quick-starter because there is plenty else to get on with while waiting for something to open. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 10:51 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? On 07/24/2013 12:33 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote: Hi. I have 3.6, 4.1dev. and AOO 4.0 installed together on my mac. Steve On 2013-07-24 12:41, V Stuart Foote wrote: Yes if one or both are fully installed (as opposed to /A administrative installs) they will interfere in subtle ways. Actions to mitigate: 1) Disable the Quickstarter for both during installation -- the TDF LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice versions will conflict--best if both are off. Done from AppWiz.cpl and a modify installation of both. I always disable the Quickstart option. In the past, having it active caused issues to updating some of the add on extensions. 2) Also, only one or the other should have the Windows Explorer Integration enabled (it provides a thumbnail view of ODF documents) in Desktop or Thumbnail views in Windows Explorer (Desktop and other folder views). Personally I also leave that unchecked when installing. 3) Finally, if using the release rather than development builds. The Windows registry will be written with file associations--the two programs should coexist to open a file type, but only one can be set as the default for any particular ODF or MS Office format. So keep track of that. Good luck. From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:13 PM To: Virgil Arrington; us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Hi :) I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or any 2 versions of AOO or OOo. Basically avoid having both open at the same time. That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them. This link might help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which better meets my techno-needs. Virgil -- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting
Re: [libreoffice-users] Creating non-printable pages in Writer
Hi :) I don't know so i'm going to make a guess and see what others say about it. Can the 1st 2 pages be a separate section? Is that the best approach? Regards from Tom :) From: Thom Brown t...@linux.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013, 16:49 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Creating non-printable pages in Writer Hi all, I have a Writer template (OTT) that I wish colleagues to use, but I would like the first couple pages to contain instructions on how to use the template. Naturally I wouldn't want these to be printed or exported to a PDF. Is there any way to mark pages as unprintable/non-exportable in a template so that I don't have to include an instruction to users to delete those 2 pages before exporting? I don't want to mark just the text as non-printable as this will still occupy space, and I also have a header and footer that would be produced on those 2 pages anyway. Thanks Thom -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] desktop integration working now? Re: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice 4.1: a landmark for interoperability
Hi :) Now that the 4.1.0 has been properly released you might find the proper release has all the desktop integration sorted out now. it might be worth checking if you are keen and have the time Good luck and regards from Tom :) From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org To: annou...@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013, 13:00 Subject: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice 4.1: a landmark for interoperability The office suite features a large number of improvements which bring compatibility with proprietary and legacy file formats to the next level Berlin, July 25, 2013 - The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 4.1, not only the best but also the most interoperable free office suite ever. LibreOffice 4.1 features a large number of improvements in the area of document compatibility, which increases the opportunities of sharing knowledge with users of proprietary software while retaining the original layout and contents. Interoperability is a key asset for LibreOffice, which is the de facto standard for migrations to free office suites since early 2012. Numerous improvements have been made to Microsoft OOXML import and export filters, as well as to legacy Microsoft Office and RTF file filters. Most of these improvements derive from the fundamental activity of certified developers backing migration projects, based on a professional support agreement. Instrumental for interoperability are also new features such as font embedding in Writer, Calc, Impress and Draw - which helps in retaining the visual aspect when fonts used to produce the document are not installed on the target PC - and import and export functions new in Excel 2013 for ODF OpenFormula compatibility. In addition to interoperability, LibreOffice 4.1 offers a very large number of new features and improvements also in other areas of the suite, which are listed here: https://www.libreoffice.org/download/4-1-new-features-and-fixes. LibreOffice 4.1 is also importing some AOO features, including the Symphony sidebar, which is considered experimental. LibreOffice developers are working at the integration with the widget layout technique (which will make it dynamically resizeable and consistent with the behaviour of LibreOffice dialog windows). LibreOffice 4.1 arrives at the end of a significant development process, which has just been outlined on the foundation blog: http://wp.me/p1byPE-q0. Feature wise, the summary is here: https://www.libreoffice.org/features/why-libreoffice/. In just two months, on September 25, 2013, the LibreOffice community will gather in Italy at the Third LibreOffice Conference, hosted by the Department of Computer Science of Milan State University. More information on the conference web site at the following address: http://conference.libreoffice.org/2013/en. The Call for Paper is open until Sunday, August 4. Downloading LibreOffice LibreOffice 4.1 is immediately available for download from the following link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/. Extensions for LibreOffice are available from the following link: http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center. Changelogs are available at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.1.0/RC1 (changed in 4.1.0.1), https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.1.0/RC2 (changed in 4.1.0.2) and https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.1.0/RC3 (changed in 4.1.0.3) and https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.1.0/RC4 (changed in 4.1.0.4). Support The Document Foundation LibreOffice users, free software advocates and community members can support The Document Foundation with a donation at http://donate.libreoffice.org. Money collected will be used to grow the infrastructure, and support marketing activities to increase the awareness of the project, both at global and local level. Short link to post on TDF blog: http://wp.me/p1byPE-qn. -- Italo Vignoli - Director italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org mob +39.348.5653829 - sip it...@libreoffice.org The Document Foundation Zimmerstraße 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal Details: www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: announce+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Customizing Number Format of each level in Writer-Tools-Outline Numbering
Hi :) You translated plenty. i just don't know how to do any of that! I think Regina gave an excellent response. At least i see a message from her in my inbox and she is usually excellent. Did she solve it already? Regards from Tom :) From: masterman digi...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013, 13:15 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Customizing Number Format of each level in Writer-Tools-Outline Numbering Ok Tom, It's the partially translated template, I was speaking about. iust_translated_english_template_for_thesis_final_(nazanin)_writable.doc http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4067241/iust_translated_english_template_for_thesis_final_%28nazanin%29_writable.doc Because of lack of time I only translated Chapter 1 and Chpater 2. I also translated the used paragraph styles and put '_' in front of those translated paragraph styles. (e.g. _Chpater, _Fig_Caption, etc.). Some digits are still in Farsi. (۱۲۳۴۵۶۷۸۹۰=1234567890) As I described in the translated Chapter 2, the Numberings are incorrect. You can see the incorrect numberings plus the expected correct numberings above each Fig, Table or Formula. The main reason for numberings being incorrect is Tools-Outline_Numbering not being flexible enough. If Tools-Outline_Numbering in LO Writer was as flexible as Multilevel List Numberings of MS Word (as you can see in http://cybertext.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/word-2007-taming-multilevel-list-numbering/) this problem could be fixed. After seeing this document if you still has any question about the reason of this incorrect numberings in LO Writer, don't hesitate to ask. Likewise, if you have any idea or possible solution I'll be more than glad to know. Best, Sina Momken -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Customizing-Number-Format-of-each-level-in-Writer-Tools-Outline-Numbering-tp4067168p4067241.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Customizing Number Format of each level in Writer-Tools-Outline Numbering
Hi :) Ahh, found Regina's answer and copied it directly to you. I am not sure how you are still not properly subscribed to the mailing list but yet ARE able to post to Nabble! Congrats on doing that btw and if you find out how you did it please let the rest of us know because it could be about the best way to view this mailing list!! :) Thanks, congrats (well, partial congrats) and regards from Tom :) From: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013, 12:59 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Customizing Number Format of each level in Writer-Tools-Outline Numbering snip / You do the outline numbering with Chapter, Heading 1 , ... with normal outline numbering. You need to define a paragraph style Chapter and alter the assignment between paragraph style and level in the outline numbering dialog. LibreOffice uses the field Number range for numbering in captions. Therefore these are not at all in the outline numbering. But when you insert a caption to a table or figure, you will see a Options-buttons. There you can tell LibreOffice to count newly for each chapter. The caption item in the context menu is only a shortened way to set a caption. You can also write your own caption inserting the field Number range manually. That will be the right way for numbering formulas. The Autotext FN puts the formula and the formula-numbering in a table. I would not use it, because it is not easily possible to move paragraphs, when the movement crosses a table. I would position the formula number using a tab. For display formulas in own paragraphs you can define a suitable paragraph style. The captions are normal paragraphs, so you can add the needed brackets manually as you need them. Each Number range will generate its own index later on. The numbers of the outline can be inserted using fields. Do not try to mimic the way things are done in Word, the concepts are different. But you can be sure, that you can write well formatted academic papers in LibreOffice. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
Hi :) That 3rd digit is roughly the equivalent of Service pack. So usually the higher it is the more stable it is. Of course even just bug-patches and fixes can sometimes introduce unexpected problems that might not get caught by QA. The best answer, imo, is to keep a very stable version that you are happy enough with on all the machines you look after especially ones that have limited access or that you can't reach easily. Then on 1 machine find some way of being able to test-drive an occasional beta-test versions before it gets released. Preferably do about 1 per branch. The problem is that things you might care about deeply might not even be getting used by other people at all. So it's only you that might notice. So if you didn't test-drive then the problem might never be found. Also it's better to do your testing on a beta release rather than a full release because it's during the early beta stage that the most devs are the most focussed on the 1 single version and trying to solve the most problems quickly. Also it's when the fewest other people are making bug-reports. There are various ways you could make sure you have access to 1 version for use for work that has a dead-line and another version that you can just use to try things out and make sure it all works. Regards from Tom :) From: Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 3:35 Subject: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 Hi, I was using 4.0.2 and then I downloaded 4.0.3 but 4.0.3 is not as stable as 4.0.2. So, now I am downloading 4.0.4. I am more interested in stable and feature rich (optional) software rather than frequently released software. Stablility is very important because a non-stable software / software having many bugs results in loss of time and frustartion. Amit -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO
Hi :)I had not really noticed that because it was what i expected anyway. I kinda like it this way because i right-click one pic go to picture change the size, anchor point, wrap, maybe add a url to make it clickable. Then drag it away and grab the next pic. So, i like it because i know where all the pics are and it help me track which i have done and which i haven't. There might be some mileage in working out how to use position in the same dialogue-box to move the pic to roughly the right position, or even exactly right spot if i ever knew that in advance. Has this behaviour changed in LO recently? If it's always been like this then it's a feature request isn't it? Otherwise it's a bug report and might help to find out which version changed the behaviour? Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Tim Lloyd tim.ll...@gmx.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 8:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO Hi Tim That's it, you got it, what I (and all of my customers using LO) are experiencing. And this behaviour happens whether posting from the web or locally from the hard drive. What I find strange, is that if there is already a laid out document (locally), or a web page with text and pictures, they will cut/copy and paste correctly and lay out in the new document. LO seems to preserve (within reason for the different formats) the format of a previously created document. This seems to only happen when one is creating a new document with text, and one wants to paste in images of any sort. And as I iterated in my post, if you choose too many images, it seems to stall and sometime crash LO Writer, I think because they are being stacked on top of each other, it causes a resource overflow (my opinion of what I think is happening). Regards Andrew On 26/07/2013 02:51 AM, Tim Lloyd wrote: Hi Andrew, I just had a look at the writer issue. Keeping it simple I downloaded 2 images from the web into my downloads folder. I opened a new writer document, went to my file browser and selected both images (FWIW a jpg a gif). When I pasted into writer the 2nd image was pasted on top of the first. Is that what you see? I expected to see the images separated in some way. Cheers On 07/25/2013 06:13 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Tim Ok, at least I have a comrade with the same observation and non function. Yes I am aware of the cell right click, but I suppose force of continuous habit on my behalf in using this in the input line, and a family raised from school level on MSO, as well as my wife very proficient in MSO, all pointed this out to me. So I find it not sufficient to leave it out, as I said it works in other versions of spreadsheet programs, so why not LO. Have you tried the Writer issue I have, with pasting multiple images into it, try it. Another program non-feature/problem that needs to be fixed. Thanks for the feedback. Andrew Brown On 25/07/2013 09:50 AM, Tim Lloyd wrote: Hi Andrew, I agree regarding the calc issue. I tried this on 4.0.4.2 under Fedora and 4.0.0.3 portable under Windows. Neither allow you to right click on the input line. As you noted, CTRL-C works. So, I cranked up LO3.6.2.2 under XP. Same. The only thing I noticed is that you can right click on the cell itself. No need to go up to the input line. I wonder if this is deemed to be sufficient. Cheers On 07/24/2013 06:26 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Everyone Well this is now my turn to ask for some help, and to see if any of you have or are experiencing these issues. This applies to both my Windows version, and Ubuntu Raring versions of LO, so a common occurrence. And it has persisted since I migrated over to LO. Your responses will assist me before I send this as a bug report, missing feature. In Calc, I cannot copy and paste any data content out of the input line at the top i.e. right click the mouse and copy using the now non existent drop down menu. This goes for an existing spreadsheet or creating a new one. In the past, not sure if it was early versions of LO Calc, or OOo Calc, but I could do this, no problems. I copy from a lot of pricelists and other similiar type spreadsheets, and paste into order sheets or directly into emails for my business, and I find now the only workaround is to highlight the content and Ctrl c to copy it, or using the menu Edit. This needs to be looked at and added as a feature, or returned as a feature. MS Office Excel has always allowed this as well. This next one is in Writer, and many of my clients have this issue as well, and I feel this is a major failure or feature exclusion. Writer cannot handle the copy and paste of multiple image files, such as photos etc, and then automatically space them one below the other. Many
Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO
Hi :) Just because 1 person likes it doesn't mean anyone else should. Even if you don't know exactly when the behaviour changed you can still post a bug-report and just try to let them know roughly the last time you remember the behaviour being the way you liked. It can be pinned down more precisely later. People are on quite a few different versions of LO at the moment so maybe some help from others might do it. Really bug-reports and feature requests all get posted the same way. The option to post as feature request is at the bottom of one of the drop-downs in the bug-report. So it's reasonably easy to change that later too! :) The important thing is to post something. It can be finessed later. I've not looked into memory settings but that has to be worth exploring, maybe after posting the bug-report. If the memory issue or something else fixes it you can always close the bug. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 11:16 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO I want to jump in here and ask - have you changed the memory settings to handle the many images? If you do not have enough memory for the number of images you are using for the document, then you may have some of the image issues you talked about. Tools / Options / LibreOffice / Memory The Graphics cache listings should be increased - all of them. The Number of objects should also be increased Reduce the Undo - Number of steps figure to 20 or 30. Are you having problems with images moving from the place you put them on the document? Then you need to anchor the image to the page, instead of the default of paragraph. I find that if I want to make a page that is mostly images, this is the only way to keep them in place. I use to be a heavy MSO user, but I ended with MSO 2003. After that I went to OOo and then LO when it first came out. I learned about OOo when it was mentioned in an Author's Note in the back of a book I was reading. The author needed macros and other things to help him with writing his 4+ books a year. He did not like MSO's options and features for what he needed. He now uses LO on his Linux system. He uses a Windows system for the Internet, since he could not get his Linux computers to use the dial-up modem properly. He lives on a tree farm, as he calls it, and cannot get broadband service. For me, I am no longer using as much of an office suite as I use to. Mostly Writer and a little Calc these days. I had to slow down after several debilitating injuries and 3 small strokes, or my doctors would make sure my meds would slow me down. But, even in my forced retirement I still do some work for not-for-profit organizations and friends and family. I also do as much as I can to get locals to see that there is an alternative to the MS and MSO option. Soon, I will be passing out a number of 4.0.5 DVDs to the locals. Have to get some to the local and State government officials that I have had contact with recently but did not have any DVDs or brochures with me. On 07/26/2013 04:52 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Tom I see for you it works, but the method I am talking about has always been my mentioned process in ALL other version of word processors. As you indicate, you like it this way, and probably have many years of experience in word processing, and have adapted and adopted the way it works for you. I have found newbies, and those not computer literate, but are able to operate an app quite proficiently, don't like it at all, especially when trying to migrate them from MSO ot other Office suites. My wife who is a very proficient MSO user, does not like using LO Writer as it does not do certain things she is used to in MSO. These are all hindrances for an effective migration to LO from a closed source payware world, the comment is the same from laymen can it do this, No, then thanks but no thanks, I'll stay with what I know, and can work with. With all respect, it is the users/laymen that dictate a success or failure of an app or suite of apps. And I personally like the way MSO does it too, so a hindrance, especially as I mentioned when one is working with many images. Once the images are placed, and self sorted one below the other, it's still in the users ability and the app, to relocate and move the images around. Yes this behaviour has changed in LO, but not sure when and with which version. OOo and AOO do it this way, as well as MSO has always done it this way. So yes it's possibly a feature request, or a bug fix, we'll have to find out from the dev's when and if this changed. Regards On 26/07/2013 10:23 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :)I had not really noticed that because it was what i expected anyway. I kinda like it this way because i
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
Hi :) I think with Base it's better to stay with older branches. The 3.6.7 might be better. if the 4.0.3 works for you then stick with that. Sadly there are still not many devs working on Base. It's not flashy enough! Regards from Tom :) From: la10...@iperbole.bologna.it la10...@iperbole.bologna.it To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 10:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 Unfortunately, the 3rd digit rule doesn't work as goog as expected... I use report builder in base, 4.0.3.3 version. Download 4.0.4 and report builder no more works (crash in opening). thanks anyway for developers work, I remember this is a free sw, at the end Federico Quadri Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk ha scritto: Hi :) That 3rd digit is roughly the equivalent of Service pack. So usually the higher it is the more stable it is. Of course even just bug-patches and fixes can sometimes introduce unexpected problems that might not get caught by QA. The best answer, imo, is to keep a very stable version that you are happy enough with on all the machines you look after especially ones that have limited access or that you can't reach easily. Then on 1 machine find some way of being able to test-drive an occasional beta-test versions before it gets released. Preferably do about 1 per branch. The problem is that things you might care about deeply might not even be getting used by other people at all. So it's only you that might notice. So if you didn't test-drive then the problem might never be found. Also it's better to do your testing on a beta release rather than a full release because it's during the early beta stage that the most devs are the most focussed on the 1 single version and trying to solve the most problems quickly. Also it's when the fewest other people are making bug-reports. There are various ways you could make sure you have access to 1 version for use for work that has a dead-line and another version that you can just use to try things out and make sure it all works. Regards from Tom :) From: Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 3:35 Subject: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 Hi, I was using 4.0.2 and then I downloaded 4.0.3 but 4.0.3 is not as stable as 4.0.2. So, now I am downloading 4.0.4. I am more interested in stable and feature rich (optional) software rather than frequently released software. Stablility is very important because a non-stable software / software having many bugs results in loss of time and frustartion. Amit -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
Hi :) My guess is that the default is 64bit or else other apps might need the 64bit version. It's generally not a good idea to have more than 1 version of Java although even 1 might well be more than you need now. Accessibility and Base (using the internal back-end) still need it. Fewer and fewer wizards and extensions need it. Regards from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 11:33 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java On 2013-07-26 3:15 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: So with that bit of tech-ed above out of the way, what this means is it looks like you have only installed the 64bit version of JRE (Java Runtime Edition). LO Base cannot see or use it, hence it showing up in the settings but Base not able to use it. My advice is install both the 32bit version and 64 bit version of JRE 1.7.0_27, problem solved. LO will sort out which version to use as each app is run. Why install a 64 bit version of Java if you don't need it? Just install the 32 bit version... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1
Hi :) I sometimes get that from files on the network but when i copy them to local desktop machine they work fine. I've not really been tracking which versions it happens with. There seems to be something about the memory settings as higher spec machines with memory settings radically bumped right up seem to suffer this a lot less. They still get it occasionally tho. I thought it was my inexperience with networking or something Regard from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 11:33 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1 Just wanted to check here before I go open a bug... I just upgraded to 4.1, everything seemed fine, but I encountered a .docx document this morning, and got the dreaded 'General I/O' error. I then tried a bunch of different XML documents (.docx, .xslx, and .pptx), and every one resulted in the same error. These are all docs that opened fine in 4.0.4 Will go back to 4.0.4 and confirm it resolves the problem... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO
Hi :) I think that is the 'problem' isn't it? Like i said it works out fine for me because i quite like that way but i can easily understand that people might prefer something different! Regards from Tom :) From: Tim Lloyd tim.ll...@gmx.com To: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 1:51 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO Hi Andrew, I just had a look at the writer issue. Keeping it simple I downloaded 2 images from the web into my downloads folder. I opened a new writer document, went to my file browser and selected both images (FWIW a jpg a gif). When I pasted into writer the 2nd image was pasted on top of the first. Is that what you see? I expected to see the images separated in some way. Cheers On 07/25/2013 06:13 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Tim Ok, at least I have a comrade with the same observation and non function. Yes I am aware of the cell right click, but I suppose force of continuous habit on my behalf in using this in the input line, and a family raised from school level on MSO, as well as my wife very proficient in MSO, all pointed this out to me. So I find it not sufficient to leave it out, as I said it works in other versions of spreadsheet programs, so why not LO. Have you tried the Writer issue I have, with pasting multiple images into it, try it. Another program non-feature/problem that needs to be fixed. Thanks for the feedback. Andrew Brown On 25/07/2013 09:50 AM, Tim Lloyd wrote: Hi Andrew, I agree regarding the calc issue. I tried this on 4.0.4.2 under Fedora and 4.0.0.3 portable under Windows. Neither allow you to right click on the input line. As you noted, CTRL-C works. So, I cranked up LO3.6.2.2 under XP. Same. The only thing I noticed is that you can right click on the cell itself. No need to go up to the input line. I wonder if this is deemed to be sufficient. Cheers On 07/24/2013 06:26 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Everyone Well this is now my turn to ask for some help, and to see if any of you have or are experiencing these issues. This applies to both my Windows version, and Ubuntu Raring versions of LO, so a common occurrence. And it has persisted since I migrated over to LO. Your responses will assist me before I send this as a bug report, missing feature. In Calc, I cannot copy and paste any data content out of the input line at the top i.e. right click the mouse and copy using the now non existent drop down menu. This goes for an existing spreadsheet or creating a new one. In the past, not sure if it was early versions of LO Calc, or OOo Calc, but I could do this, no problems. I copy from a lot of pricelists and other similiar type spreadsheets, and paste into order sheets or directly into emails for my business, and I find now the only workaround is to highlight the content and Ctrl c to copy it, or using the menu Edit. This needs to be looked at and added as a feature, or returned as a feature. MS Office Excel has always allowed this as well. This next one is in Writer, and many of my clients have this issue as well, and I feel this is a major failure or feature exclusion. Writer cannot handle the copy and paste of multiple image files, such as photos etc, and then automatically space them one below the other. Many of my clients are in the field as motor vehicle assessors and take multiple pictures of vehicle repairs (up to about twenty per vehicle), process them to reduce their physical size, then paste them into a word processor and compile into a PDF before emailing to the insurance houses. MS Office can do this and has always done this with no issues whatsoever, but LO Writer simply dumps the images one on top of the other, with a lot of unnecessary work to have to drag and place each image in order below the previous one. And this is not consistent, sometimes Writer fails with a lot of photos (noticeably more than five). This lack of feature is now forcing many of my customers to return to MSO, and I feel it needs to be addressed and fixed. Regards -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1
Hi :) I am not 100% sure but LO has quietly dealt with a couple of potential threats of that nature quite a long time ago. The 3.4.0 and i think another in that same line were both quietly being pushed due to some known issue in the 3.3.x line. Most of us just ignored it and carried on using the supposedly problematic versions and had no problems though. Also i know that some of the code and patches have been quietly shared between the projects even when Oracle were being all stuffy about it so i really don't know if they are fixing something that LO already fixed ages ago or if this is something new. The 2 projects are very divergent now. Only around 12% of the code hasn't been touched at all. Although, as Umas said some of the changes may have been just removal or rewrites of commented-out lines. Regards from Tom :) From: Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 21:57 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1 FWIW: I do not know the correlation of versions between LO and AOO, but today I got the following two security reports from the AOO users forum: --- CVE-2013-2189 OpenOffice DOC Memory Corruption Vulnerability Severity: Important Vendor: The Apache Software Foundation Versions Affected: Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 on all platforms. Predecessor versions of OpenOffice.org may be also affected. Description: The vulnerability is caused by operating on invalid PLCF (Plex of Character Positions in File) data when parsing a malformed DOC document file. Specially crafted documents can be used for denial-of-service attacks. Further exploits are possible but have not been verified. Mitigation: Apache OpenOffice 3.4 users are advised to upgrade to Apache OpenOffice 4.0. Users who are unable to upgrade immediately should be cautious when opening untrusted documents. Credits: The Apache OpenOffice Security Team credits Jeremy Brown of Microsoft Vulnerability Research as the discoverer of this flaw. Herbert Dürr Member of the Apache OpenOffice Security Team --- CVE-2013-4156 OpenOffice DOCM Memory Corruption Vulnerability Severity: Important Vendor: The Apache Software Foundation Versions Affected: Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 and 3.4.1, on all platforms. Predecessor versions of OpenOffice.org may be also affected. Description: The vulnerability is caused by mishandling of unknown XML elements when parsing a OOXML document file. Specially crafted documents can be used for memory-corruption attacks. Further exploits are possible but have not been verified. Mitigation Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 users are advised to upgrade to Apache OpenOffice 4.0. Users who are unable to upgrade immediately should be cautious when opening untrusted documents. Credits The Apache OpenOffice Security Team credits Jeremy Brown of Microsoft Vulnerability Research as the discoverer of this flaw. Herbert Dürr Member of the Apache OpenOffice Security Team -- Could this be related, in that now LO 4.1 rejects such files where LO 4.0 did not? Just a messenger. Girvin Herr Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I sometimes get that from files on the network but when i copy them to local desktop machine they work fine. I've not really been tracking which versions it happens with. There seems to be something about the memory settings as higher spec machines with memory settings radically bumped right up seem to suffer this a lot less. They still get it occasionally tho. I thought it was my inexperience with networking or something Regard from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 11:33 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1 Just wanted to check here before I go open a bug... I just upgraded to 4.1, everything seemed fine, but I encountered a .docx document this morning, and got the dreaded 'General I/O' error. I then tried a bunch of different XML documents (.docx, .xslx, and .pptx), and every one resulted in the same error. These are all docs that opened fine in 4.0.4 Will go back to 4.0.4 and confirm it resolves the problem... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages
Hi :) This might help you post a bug-report https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport Just out of curiosity, did you get the General input/output error when dealing with files on the network shares or on your local machine? Regards from Tom :) From: sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 29 July 2013, 21:07 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages On 29/07/13 20:12, sun shine wrote: On 29/07/13 20:03, sun shine wrote: Hi list I've recently installed 4.1 for a Deb system, and I am unable to open password protected writer documents written in earlier versions of LibO. I've double-checked the password, even typed it in plain text and copied it over, and it still throws back an incorrect password message. Has anyone else found this? Has anyone figured a workaround? Thanks Actually - this seems to be a larger issue, at least on my machine: I have attempted to create a document and then to save it with a password and it throws back this error message: Error saving the document Untitled1: General Error. General input/output error. I suspect therefore, that there is something wrong with the broader security related issues of passwords and 4.1 Can anyone else confirm this please? Cheers Sorry to keep replying to my own email - I have just installed 4.0.4 and I cannot reproduce either of the errors - this is therefore a 4.1 specific bug. How would I report it? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] IT World
Hi :) I have just had an email that looks like spam. It's allegedly a survey being done by IT World. So, if it is not spam then it is going to be used in some article to say things like 99% of people prefer something bloated and old and only 1% like something shiny and new. I thought we did a good job with the About.Com survey. We had just enough people to make it clear that LibreOffice does have a bigger fan-base than other competitors without going completely overboard with it. So, any suggestions on finding out if this survey is legit or spam would be great Regards from Tom :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Uninstall ?
Hi :) You can run 2 versions of LibreOffice alongside each other if you really want to. Quite a few people do and they might be able to give you a link to help with that. On most machines i uninstall and then reinstall just to make certain but i believe Cliff is right that the newer install wipes out the previous. However, i think it might be better to stick with the 4.0.3 because it is more stable than the 4.1.0. That 3rd digit is roughly the equivalent of a service pack number. Generally the higher that 3rd number the more stable the version. So the .3 is more stable than the .0. Of course the 4.1.0 does introduce new features and greater compatibility with the newer versions of MS formats currently in use, (the 2010 and 2013 ones) however the introduction of the newer, improved functionality can mean some unexpected things might misbehave. Service Packs are not always perfect themselves, for example the Sp1 for Xp famously broke quite a lot of stuff. So, it might be good to update to the 4.0.4 rather than upgrade to the 4.1.0. It is your choice and you can always come back to the 4.0.x branch if the 4.1.x doesn't work out well enough for you. Many people do keep up with even the beta-releases without any troubles but many others never upgrade until a branch reaches x.x.3-5 Regards from Tom :) From: Cliff Scott c...@intergate.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013, 1:13 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Uninstall ? ** Reply to message from Sheafe Ewing sheafe.ew...@gmail.com on Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:08:15 -0700 Have read the ReadMe Notes after downloading LibreOffice 4.1.0 Is it necessary to uninstall version 4.0.3.3 before installing the newest version 4.1.0 Using Mac OS 10.8.4 Thx Just install and it will ask you if you want to overwrite the old one or keep two copies. I usually keep both for a while in case there are problems with the new one. Each one runs independently of the other. Cliff -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] IT World
Hi :) Thanks!! :) Ok, i'll just junk it as spam then. The Reply to address wasn't anyhting like @itworld.com or anything sensible like that. Thanks for hunting around for me! Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013, 10:16 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] IT World Hi Tom I spent quite a bit of time on the official IT Web site and could find no reference to the article you mention. I would consider this as spam. Not use which email app you use but if it's Thunderbird, you can hover you mouse over any links supplied in the email to see where they actually return to, look at the bottom left of Thunderbird. If it does not show http://www.itworld.com.. I would then become very suspicious. Also you can expand the headers to see further where this mail originated, and where it phones home i.e. return to server/s by going to your compact header (divider between mail pane and message pane), click on far right hand gear cog icon Other actions - headers - all and scroll down in this more revealing bar to see what is hidden by default. Remember to return your headers to normal otherwise every subsequent email will be sent out with all headers exposed in the email, generally loking like garbage. Regards Andrew Brown On 30/07/2013 10:39 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I have just had an email that looks like spam. It's allegedly a survey being done by IT World. So, if it is not spam then it is going to be used in some article to say things like 99% of people prefer something bloated and old and only 1% like something shiny and new. I thought we did a good job with the About.Com survey. We had just enough people to make it clear that LibreOffice does have a bigger fan-base than other competitors without going completely overboard with it. So, any suggestions on finding out if this survey is legit or spam would be great Regards from Tom :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages
Hi :) To start the ball rolling you could just post a quick bug-report without going through much of the guide there. It's not much different from posting an email. You need a sensible subject-line that gives a VERY brief idea of what the actual problem is. The Users List can cope with appalling subject-lines such as Problem with LibreOffice on my machine, which is long and fails to tell us anything at all. However for a bug report you really need something better. Perhaps General input/output error with 4.1.0 or something. Also keep the contents of the message as on-point as possible too. Then later on you can return with extra strace reports or whatnot and add them to your report, again in much the same way as you can reply to your own messages in the threads in the emailing list. It helps to do that quite quickly to try to make sure that any QA staff have as much info as you reasonably can to save them from having to add a new message saying Needs more info. If you really do needs help producing the t4echie info they want then they are probably really helpful with that but it's best to avoid taking up too much of their time, if possible. Actually that does bring up the point about Marc's email earlier. Many people here could easily help with QA because there are a lot of reportrs that need the same type of help as each other so you can copypaste similar responses and gradually learn yor way in. Also there are many tasks that really don't need any technical skill at all. Any little bit that anyone can do, especially regularly, even if it's an hour/week or something, would be a huge help. Regards from Tom :) From: sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013, 7:45 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages Hello Tom Thanks for the link - when I have the time during the day I'll look into that. These were files on my own drive - not networked - and files originally created with LibO. Cheers On 30/07/13 00:37, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This might help you post a bug-report https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport Just out of curiosity, did you get the General input/output error when dealing with files on the network shares or on your local machine? Regards from Tom :) From: sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 29 July 2013, 21:07 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages On 29/07/13 20:12, sun shine wrote: On 29/07/13 20:03, sun shine wrote: Hi list I've recently installed 4.1 for a Deb system, and I am unable to open password protected writer documents written in earlier versions of LibO. I've double-checked the password, even typed it in plain text and copied it over, and it still throws back an incorrect password message. Has anyone else found this? Has anyone figured a workaround? Thanks Actually - this seems to be a larger issue, at least on my machine: I have attempted to create a document and then to save it with a password and it throws back this error message: Error saving the document Untitled1: General Error. General input/output error. I suspect therefore, that there is something wrong with the broader security related issues of passwords and 4.1 Can anyone else confirm this please? Cheers Sorry to keep replying to my own email - I have just installed 4.0.4 and I cannot reproduce either of the errors - this is therefore a 4.1 specific bug. How would I report it? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages
Hi Tanstaafl :) Are you trying to open those documents in LibreOffice and getting those error messages or getting them in MSO? Also are they local files or on a Cloud or networked machine? Also is that using LO 4.1.0 (in which case you might be able to help sun-shine post a bug-report) or on a different version of LO? Regards from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 29 July 2013, 20:18 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages On 2013-07-29 3:12 PM, sun shine phaedr...@gmail.com wrote: Actually - this seems to be a larger issue, at least on my machine: I have attempted to create a document and then to save it with a password and it throws back this error message: Error saving the document Untitled1: General Error. General input/output error. I suspect therefore, that there is something wrong with the broader security related issues of passwords and 4.1 Can anyone else confirm this please? That is the exact error message I get when trying to open OpenXML documents (.docx, .xlsx or .pptx)... Interesting 'coincidence' (I don't believe in coincidences)... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
Hi :) I think disdain is possibly closer than hatred. I think bioth are quite far away from the reality though. I think it's simply that people would rather develop tools that are more robust and less susceptible to malware and slow-downs. I think once you start using OpenSource tools you begin to realise that MS seem to have deliberately built-in vulnerabilities and their slow-downs. FOSS doesn't seem to suffer anything like as much, although a bit of system rot is inevitable in almost any system. I'm just installing Win7 on a handfull of machines and am able to make a couple of tweaks that prevent their Virtual Memory from getting so heavily fragmented. In previous versions of their OS i have found it significantly reduces the slow-downs if you can do this early on. On Win7 it takes an extra couple of clicks but it's still really easy. I always wonder why the default is to set it to fragment as quickly as possible. It's only with Win7 that their de-fragger tool can defrag system files such as the Virtual Memory (err that is Swap to GnuLinux geeks lol). Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 29 July 2013, 20:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 I certainly hope the primary motive for FOSS such as LO is not a disdain for MS. I personally don't care how much money MS makes. I hope the LO developers are motivated by a desire to produce a great product that can be used worldwide. Hatred usually doesn't provide a very effective motive for productive action. Virgil -Original Message- From: Amit Choudhary Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 10:47 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: Hi Amit I understand where you are coming from, and the good news is, in your favour, that MS in both it's O/S and office suite are losing market share in a big way. Here's an article from Ubuntu founder and my countryman Mark Shuttelworth on his take on MS and Ubuntu. I like his statement that the no.1 bug in Linux has now been fixed/closed, in that MS no longer dominates majority market share. But the numbers don't lie. I checked MS revenues and profits on finance.yahoo.com and it doesn't look like MS is losing market share. MS losing share might be an illusion. Period Ending Jun 30, 2012 Jun 30, 2011 Jun 30, 2010 Net Income Applicable To Common Shares $16,978,000 $23,150,000 $18,760,000 (All numbers in thousands) Regards, Amit -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Automatic Backup in LibreOffice Base
Hi :) Ouch!! I guess 1st thing is to try looking in the folder that the document itself is stored in to see if there is a back-up there. It should be in the Back-up folder that you looked in but the documents own folder might be worth checking. Ignore the ~lock-file as i don't think that has anyhting useful. (hmm, i would poke in there just in case (if i could)) Have you tried re-opening LibreOffice? Often when you re-open LibreOffice it asks if you want to recover the document(s) you had open last time. it doesn't always recover the document properly but it might be worth trying. Have you emailed anyone a recent version? or saved to usb-stick or other different place? When i lose things i tend to find re-typing or re-doing the thing takes a LOT less time because i have more idea of the end point and when i stumble into the same decisions i somehow remember roughly waht i chose last time. However, i hope you are able to recover the document! In Tools - Options - General have you got the Save auto-recover information box ticked as well as the Save backup copy? Regards from Tom :) From: E.Ibertis sitr...@yahoo.it To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013, 16:06 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Automatic Backup in LibreOffice Base Salve, vi informo che LibreOffice Base 3.5.7.2, usato insieme a Linux/Xubuntu 12.04 LTS, durante la fase di immissione di nuovi record non ha eseguito il previsto backup automatico (ad esempio ogni 15 minuti). Ho controllato l'opzione ed era regolarmente selezionata; il programma si è improvvisamente chiuso senza segnalare nulla. La cartella Backup era vuota. Ho perso così mezza giornata di lavoro. --- TRANSLATION Hi, I'd like inform you that in LibreOffice Base 3.5.7.2 (platform Linux/Xubuntu 12.04 LTS) the Automatic Backup, I expected to start every 10/15 minutes, does not work, in my experience at least. The option was selected (OptionSaveGeneral) but, when the program suddenly closed for a unknown reason, the program did'nt ask anything and saved not even one record of my work (a morning of record immission!). The folder Backup was empty. Thank you very much for your assistance, greetings. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer
Hi :) The uses LibreOffice dialogues is just in one place rather than being scattered around all over the place. You set it for the entirety of LibreOffice, not on a per-function basis. Toolos - Options - General Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013, 15:26 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer Last time I checked, Windows version did not have the --- Use LibreOffice dialogs in the Print dialogs section. I do not think the Print dialogs would be, or should be, listed under open/save dialogs section. That would not make sense. Are you saying the print dialogs check box is actually listed in that section of the General dialog box? Well, I have not installed 4.1 yet, but the Print dialogs option was shown on the DEB 64-bit version [Ubuntu 12.04 and 13.04 installed] and not on the Windows version [Win7 professional and home premium installed] When I was having all my issues with my printer[s] not duplexing correctly, it seemed that most of the people who tried to help were Windows users. None of the even suggested the print dialog check/uncheck option. After a few weeks, I just started experimenting and found that checking the print dialogs option would make the Epson Artisan 810 printer duplex correctly. The HP Laserjet 2300dn duplexing worked either way. Now that I have a Cannon MG6220 to replace the Epson, I have not unchecked that box to see if the duplexing still worked. On 07/30/2013 03:05 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Kracked_P_P One correction, your last statement, the option to check Use LiberOffice dialogues is available for Windows users under the same Tools / Options / LibreOffice / General. In this part of the General settings it's under the heading Open/Save dialogues. Regards Andrew Brown On 30/07/2013 02:11 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 07/29/2013 03:36 PM, sun shine wrote: Hello list On a Debian like system (Mint 14), my newly installed 32-bit LibO-4.1. is creating a bit of problems for me. This latest issue is trying to print specific pages within a Writer document: the print dialog box does not allow editing the specific pages text box. In order to make this work - i.e. to select the pages I wanted - I closed LibO4.1. and re-opened it, then it worked. Anybody else experienced this? I've had two relatively minor issues with Writer LibO-4.1 (password-related and the page selection for printing mentioned here) which don't really inspire confidence as these are features that have been preserved since the OOo days ... so not at all sure why they don't work as expected with the 4.1 release. Anyway, will continue to test 4.1 for a while, but am inclined to roll back to 4.0.4 for doing work at this point. Cheers I do not use Mint due to printer issues. The biggest one wasthatit would not recognizeor even find it on my network my main network color printer that Ubuntu has not problems finding/using. But it would see it via a USB cable. I had other printer/driver issues for it to print properly on the other printers on my network. You are running 32-bit Mint 14? Mate or Cinnamon desktop? You removed the previously installed version of LO, correct? Did you have any problems with 4.0.4 printing page selections? In Tools / Options / LibreOffice / General have you checked Use LibreOffice dialogs in the Print dialogs section? Check it if not. If already checked [which I used for Ubuntu 12.04LTS] then un-check it. See if that changes anything. This option does not show up with the Windows users, so they would not know this. I had to check it to get one of my printers to duplex properly. I am told others need to have it unchecked for their printer[s]. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Error on booting LibreOffice
Hi :) So, this is a Base database using the internal back-end? Is there anyone here that could help move the op to an external back-end to try to avoid problems in the future? Is it likely to be better to use Postgresql or MySql? Regards from Tom :) From: E.Ibertis vonib...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013, 17:26 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Error on booting LibreOffice On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Tom tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Btw does the error say Do you want to recover a previously worked-on document or something like that? No, no request. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
Hi :) Many projects have 2 branches so that; 1 is stable (because it has been around for longer and received more service packs, bug-fixes, patches and all the rest). Generally it continues to recieve more updates and people do continue to work on it because whatever issue they were working on is easier to finish without starting again from scratch or radically re-thinking it. Hopefully after their work has been completed they and others are able to convert it to work on another branch. It's difficult to drag people away just as it's difficult to drag a gamer away from just completing ths 1 more level. I'm nearly there, honest The other takes whatever is already done or near enough finished and then adds tons of new features without having to worry to much about how usable the new branch is going to be. It's where new devs are initially attracted to, where the greatest excitement and activity is generated. Then once that new branch has been around a while, and the people working on the newer features have fixed any problems they hadn't anticipated or solved completely unrelated breakages, then that starts to become the stable branch. That usually seems to happen around x.x.3. The x.x.4 is usually fairly rock-solid. Big cheers all round. So there are 2 very different types of devs at any 1 time and if we don't supply the type of activity they get a real buzz from then many may well just wander off to some other project that does. It's not really the case that taking people off one thing means they will focus on what you want them to do. It's better to just have them all and make the most of what they do 'enjoy'. Regards from Tom :) From: Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com To: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; la10...@iperbole.bologna.it; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 29 July 2013, 9:33 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: Amit Your knowledge of the document standards is limited by your reply here. This issue of the document standards and naming convention was covered by a world body of multinationals and the preservation of all things in human digital text etc. This was to allow anyone, alien or earthly, thousands of years from now, to decode and read and modify the history in the digital world of mankind. So the open document standards were born and ratified and accpeted by the majority of the world that counts. MS did not agree and tried to introduce their own so-called opens standard with the .xml base, i.e.x docx, xlsx, and so forth. But it has not been accepted by the world bodies, even though the MS document standard does survive. As you will now notice MSO 2007 (partially), MSO 2010 and 2013 all can reads and write in the ODS standard used by OOo, AOO and LO. MS had no choice but to fit in and follow suit, so it's not the other way around that we and all other s outside of the use of MSO, must fit in. The ODS standard is here to stayt and will dominate over time, no matter what the masses say and want. It's about education that we all have choices and many efficient and useful alternatives in the digital world. I might be out-of-date of what had been decided. But what I see is this: MS Office everywhere I worked which translates to possibly billions of doallars in MS pcokets. My agenda with whatever I have wrote till now is: Why should MS get billions of dollars? The open formats should be supported, I am not against that, I am against the timing. MS Office will win because 90% of computers have Windosws on them. Until Linux desktops/laptops become popular people will not switch to open document format. My strategy would be similar to MS: Make users switch to LO and then give them open dcoument format and remove MS formats. Since 90% of the installations will have LO, no one is going to complain and they will happily settle for open document format and MS can't do anything. It is the strategy and timing I am talking about. Doing both together (MS compatibility + Open document) is a strain on developers and QA. Given that LO has very few developers and QA, then why should LO focus on two product lines. It is not correct strategy. Regards, Amit PS: I am not pushing my ideas but I do not want to pay MS. Also, I will be using LO but if the person who is receiving my document has MS Office, then what? MS is a clever, arm-twisting company. You never know what they can come up with. Bill Gates knew about monopoly and that's why all MS components are intertwined with each other so that if you remove one component then other component will not work properly. Bill Gates did this even before question arose about breaking up MS, and after this happened in Europe, MS avoided it easily by stating that if they remove IE then Windows
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer
Hi :) Ahhh. Sorry, i missed that part. Also i was wrong anyway because what i pointed to was only the Load/Save dialogues. It's not all the different dialogues at all! :( Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013, 22:24 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer Yes, but as I said, the printer dialog one shows up on my Linux version and not on my Windows version. That was part of my point. On 07/30/2013 11:41 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) The uses LibreOffice dialogues is just in one place rather than being scattered around all over the place. You set it for the entirety of LibreOffice, not on a per-function basis. Toolos - Options - General Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013, 15:26 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer Last time I checked, Windows version did not have the --- Use LibreOffice dialogs in the Print dialogs section. I do not think the Print dialogs would be, or should be, listed under open/save dialogs section. That would not make sense. Are you saying the print dialogs check box is actually listed in that section of the General dialog box? Well, I have not installed 4.1 yet, but the Print dialogs option was shown on the DEB 64-bit version [Ubuntu 12.04 and 13.04 installed] and not on the Windows version [Win7 professional and home premium installed] When I was having all my issues with my printer[s] not duplexing correctly, it seemed that most of the people who tried to help were Windows users. None of the even suggested the print dialog check/uncheck option. After a few weeks, I just started experimenting and found that checking the print dialogs option would make the Epson Artisan 810 printer duplex correctly. The HP Laserjet 2300dn duplexing worked either way. Now that I have a Cannon MG6220 to replace the Epson, I have not unchecked that box to see if the duplexing still worked. On 07/30/2013 03:05 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Kracked_P_P One correction, your last statement, the option to check Use LiberOffice dialogues is available for Windows users under the same Tools / Options / LibreOffice / General. In this part of the General settings it's under the heading Open/Save dialogues. Regards Andrew Brown On 30/07/2013 02:11 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 07/29/2013 03:36 PM, sun shine wrote: Hello list On a Debian like system (Mint 14), my newly installed 32-bit LibO-4.1. is creating a bit of problems for me. This latest issue is trying to print specific pages within a Writer document: the print dialog box does not allow editing the specific pages text box. In order to make this work - i.e. to select the pages I wanted - I closed LibO4.1. and re-opened it, then it worked. Anybody else experienced this? I've had two relatively minor issues with Writer LibO-4.1 (password-related and the page selection for printing mentioned here) which don't really inspire confidence as these are features that have been preserved since the OOo days ... so not at all sure why they don't work as expected with the 4.1 release. Anyway, will continue to test 4.1 for a while, but am inclined to roll back to 4.0.4 for doing work at this point. Cheers I do not use Mint due to printer issues. The biggest one wasthatit would not recognizeor even find it on my network my main network color printer that Ubuntu has not problems finding/using. But it would see it via a USB cable. I had other printer/driver issues for it to print properly on the other printers on my network. You are running 32-bit Mint 14? Mate or Cinnamon desktop? You removed the previously installed version of LO, correct? Did you have any problems with 4.0.4 printing page selections? In Tools / Options / LibreOffice / General have you checked Use LibreOffice dialogs in the Print dialogs section? Check it if not. If already checked [which I used for Ubuntu 12.04LTS] then un-check it. See if that changes anything. This option does not show up with the Windows users, so they would not know this. I had to check it to get one of my printers to duplex properly. I am told others need to have it unchecked for their printer[s]. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
Re: [libreoffice-users] License for a LO Calc document?
Hi :) The sealed envelope trick to prove prior art (or something) is pretty neat. I think it does depend on the laws of your country though. I think it might be valid in the Uk but it might be worth looking up Creative Commons to see a more technical and modern approach Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013, 22:48 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] License for a LO Calc document? On 07/30/2013 02:33 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:16:39 -0400, csanyipal csanyi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, how can ( if can ) one protect her/his LO Calc document ( spreadsheet ) with a copyright license? What is the preferred way to eg.: share a Calc document, but protecting it from expropriate? Or is it sufficient to protect a Calc document with a password? - Best Regards from Pál -- You set a password for opening a document and another for editting. You need to set them when saving the document. For a limited distribution document this is probably adequate. You then need to distribute the passwords. In theory you know who has access and thus could be the source of any misuse. If you want the document to be readily accessible, read-only there is a risk for someone to expropriate your work. If you take a printed copy and a CD copy of the spreadsheet. Add all of the documentation about how, and when you made it. Then mail it to yourself. Make sure it is sealed very, very well, so no one could say you placed the stuff in the envelope at a later date. When you get it in the mail, do not open it. Give it to your lawyer inside another envelope with the same printer and CD copies and all the documentation. The sealed mailing will show a postal date. That gives you a time line showing you developed it as late as such and such date. Giving it to a lawyer, or having the lawyer mail it to you can help with some later legal issues that may come up. Make sure you get input from a lawyer as soon in the process as possible. That is the cheapest way of proving you came up with the idea. But, you need more, I think. You want people to use the sheet but not steal the code, right? That is a different issue. Copyright and licensing a set of code can be different in many ways on how to protect you rights. You should do the simple protection of the mailing to start and then get involved with a copyright lawyer. Next is the securing of you spread sheet codes and macros. That could be done in some cases with password protections to stop people from editing, or listing out, all of the cell contents and the macros involved. Some type of execute only option is needed. Also, having the only the cells that need to be changeable be able to be edited is a good idea. How a spread sheet can do all of this.?. . . Well, I would have made a program and compiled it and had it run just like the spreadsheet would for showing the rows and columns. That is one of the only ways I could make sure my work not get its internal coding available for others to read, copy, etc.. Now the question a lawyer would ask. . . What are you going to licensing and for want purpose. Are you going to allow users to download the file and require them to pay you for a key or password to allow it to run? Or are you going to license the intellectual property of the coding of the cells and macros? Will you hold the copyright or the code base and allow others to use it or are you wanting to keep others from seeing what you have created but have a way to use it. There are a lot of things you need to ask yourself and these are just some of the things I remember a lawyer asking me when I created an item I wanted to protect as my intellectual property and stop others from claiming it was theirs. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language?
Hi :) 1. Have you been in contact with the translators mailing list? The one international one brings together people with a lot of skills from most of the various languages on offer. They might be able to help with this sort of thing. 2. Which language? 3. Congrats on an amazing amount of good work so far! :D Nicely done! :)) Regards from Tom :) From: Sergio Martino s.mart...@innova.puglia.it To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 9:07 Subject: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language? Hi, a friend of mine would like to build a dictionary for a local dialect and he asked for my help. First I build the aff and dic files and I tested them with hunspell. It works. Next I was able to construct an oxt which install correctly. However the new language do not appear in the list of the installed ones so I was not able to use it for checking the open document. As a quick hack, I chose an existing language, replaced the aff and dic file and installed it. It works. So the step I am missing to accomplish my task, it is how to register a new language in order to be seen in the combo box in the spelling checker dialog. Can someone help me with instruction or a pointer to a guide? TIA Sergio Martino -- --- ing Sergio Martino InnovaPuglia S.p.A. SP Casamassima km 3 I-70010 Valenzano (BA) Phone: +39-080-4670540 FAX: +39-080-4670242 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3
Hi :) I think Windows will continue to dominate the desktops and full laptops, maybe even down to notebooks. Netbooks died off for 1 reason only. That was because people wanted Windows on them and then found that the machines ran ridiculously slowly. Any version of GnuLinux, even Ubuntu, made the machines really fast and seemingly powerful. People weren't ready for non-Windows back then. However they were a good ice-breaker. Now people are happy with even smaller and less powerful devices. So, while Windows dominates the desktops we keep hearing that the age of the desktop is over and it's already being reported that comparing the amount of time people spend on desktops compared to using hand-helds has already tipped in favour of the hand-helds and other mobile devices. Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Urmas davian...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 9:37 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3 And some more info and statics with charts, to refudiate your claims of Windows XP and Vista (the latter also a disaster for MS) of combined market share. http://www.statista.com/topics/823/microsoft/chart/799/market-share-of-selected-windows-operating-systems/ And it shows what you know of Linux. FACT, it along with various flavours of Unix, power the known global Internet servers, Observatories, MET/weather offices, Space exploration, the Mars machines, the majority of military machines/equipment, medical equipment, and lo and behold a good number of desktop, laptops around the world, and the no.1 O/S for mobile - Android, followed shortly by Firefox O/S and Ubuntu Touch. You like many, incorrectly and simply refer to the desktop/laptop use of an O/S, yes where MS currently dominates, but not for long. Good Day Andrew Brown On 31/07/2013 10:20 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: Again, you troll with no supply of facts. My response was out by 2% WOW!!! but this article includes tablets and Windows RT http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-8-and-windows-rt-account-45-global-tablet-market-share-q2-2013 Andrew Brown On 31/07/2013 04:45 AM, Urmas wrote: Just know that they are taking a knock, what with Windows 8 only migrating into less than 2% of the world market of their existing XP and Windows 7 base Windows 8 already has a market share of Windows XP and Vista combined on newer hardware (It's about 9 times of Linux marketshare, btw.). -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
Hi :) I have to disagree. Amit does have some good points even if some minor details are not entirely accurate. It's a subject we often argue about here. Yes we do need to follow MS's lead and keep working at greater and greater compatibility with their formats and their ways of doing things. That is why we do invest a LOT of time and resources into doing exactly that. Amit is right. However their format does keep changing around a bit between one release of their program and the next. It's unpredictable despite the name of their format staying the same and despite them having acquired the ISO stamp of approval for the name of their ever-changing format. So they make 1 small tweak here or there and keep everyone busy trying to guess where the change is and how to read it now. The main problem is that if we always follow MSO's lead then they will always be in the lead. Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; la10...@iperbole.bologna.it; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 11:36 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 Amit Your knowledge of the document standards is limited by your reply here. This issue of the document standards and naming convention was covered by a world body of multinationals and the preservation of all things in human digital text etc. This was to allow anyone, alien or earthly, thousands of years from now, to decode and read and modify the history in the digital world of mankind. So the open document standards were born and ratified and accepted by the majority of the world that counts. MS did not agree and tried to introduce their own so-called opens standard with the .xml base, i.e.x docx, xlsx, and so forth. But it has not been accepted by the world bodies, even though the MS document standard does survive. As you will now notice MSO 2007 (partially), MSO 2010 and 2013 all can reads and write in the ODS standard used by OOo, AOO and LO. MS had no choice but to fit in and follow suit, so it's not the other way around that we and all other s outside of the use of MSO, must fit in. The ODS standard is here to stayt and will dominate over time, no matter what the masses say and want. It's about education that we all have choices and many efficient and useful alternatives in the digital world. Regards Andrew Brown On 27/07/2013 12:46 PM, Amit Choudhary wrote: If we have to beat Microsoft then we need to focus only on what Microsoft provides and not on .odt format, etc. We cannot beat Microsoft by introducing a new format and expecting customers to use new formats (I use Microsoft formats only and whatever other formats is suported by Microsoft). We need to beat Microsoft at its own game by doing what they are doing in office suite. A new format is not going to change the game but being totally compatible and stable with the formats that Micorosoft supports (xls, xlsx, doc, docx, save as pdf, text, etc.) is going to change the game. Amit On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, I have been programming since 1987. I have all my degrees in computer science/networking. I have worked for companies like Cisco systems, Juniper networks and have turned down offers from companies like Google and Microsoft for one reason or other. This whole software industry is going in the wrong direction. Actually, by now we should have been done by all the software (all the necessary software developed and installed and used, no bugs, etc. We need to beat Microsoft because we do not want to pay for Office suite. The best way of doing this is to release stable versions only and this can be done by increasing the QA cycle period. I do not release buggy software unless it has been approved by management. And I have not released any software that's gonna hurt the customer even if I have to get into discussions with managers, directors, etc. This whole idea of releasing software frequently is a scam, because work doesn't get done properly in a small time window. No one gets any time for innovation and everyone is just interested in the release. And in the end, the software dies down because the frequent release does not fix things properly and introduces new bugs and over time all these quickfixes kill the product. THERE IS NO DEMAND FROM CUSTOMERS FOR FREQUENT RELEASES. THE DEMAND IS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE SOFTWARE ANALYSTS AND THEY WANT SOMETHING TO DO AND HENCE THEY WANT FREQUENT RELEASES. IT IS A BIG SCAM. I use around 5-6 external softwares and if everyone is releasing something every month then it becomes a headache to me. RELEASING ONLY TWICE A YEAR IS VERY FOOD. THE BIGGEST RISK OF RELEASING FREQUENTLY IS THAT ORIGINAL PROBLEMS ARE NOT SOLVED PROPERLY
Re: [libreoffice-users] IT World
Hi :) Thanks all!! :D A very informative thread and i feel i have learned quite a lot from this. It was a tad off-topic to start with so thanks for helping me out anyway. I like this list quite a lot these days. It's almost like a family, complete with all the arguments and everything ;) Regards from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 13:14 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] IT World On 2013-07-31 3:20 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: Not what I am referring to, I think you have misunderstood my content. Agreed and I know the headers (or should I say mail body code) I assure you I have a very good understanding of this, and 'mail body code' is certainly *not* another way of saying 'email headers'. What I am referring to is that the header information is hidden by default, but one can reveal this hidden info to trace where the mail has come from or going to. It's used by security officers like myself and online Service Providers to trace emails, spam, malicious content etc. Been there/done that many times. if you ever launch a complaint to your SP over spam mail received, they ask you to send a copy of the email with All headers revealed. In Thunderbird this is a relatively easy thing to do, just two clicks, as I explained to Tom in my email. In MS Outlook a bit more involved Email opened in new window - expand Tags toolbar lower right (you will also see Follow up and Mark as unread option there) - Options - Internet headers. Or, you can just do as I *always* have done - and what every lawyer or 'security officer' I have ever worked with requests - and forward the email in question *as an attachment* - which *always* includes the full headers. Forwarding in-line (as you are discussing), the headers that are included in the mail body text are way too easily modified (either accidental or by intent), and should *never* be relied on by a 'security officer' tasked with investigating such things. What I was simply replying to Tom, was how to reveal the headers to see if the email was spam. And no if your headers are in their normal state/setting, hidden by default, they are never revealed in any emails sent, that is the body text of the sender. Only if you leave the option to reveal the headers on, will the sent emails show all of the code and make the email look like garbage. And again, this is only true when replying, and when forwarding *in-line*. When forwarding as an attachment, the full headers are *always* included. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language?
Hi :) It seems to be for a fairly specific area of Italy. I'm not even sure if the dialect has a separate name. In England we have a lot of different types of 'English' some of which are completely incomprehensible to an outsider living as far as 30miles away. None of my family ever understood my Gran for example, but she was always there offering cups of tea with a rock-hard scone or porridge only slightly less runny than cement (actually it was all good stuff really but don't tell her that). In the case of cockney that was a deliberate attempt to avoid passing anything onto the old bill by accident. Liverpudlian and Geordie are perhaps due to different peoples having invaded us at different times and different kingdoms all over the place or different tribes claiming different parts. I'm sure it's much the same in any other country. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 20:27 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language? On 07/31/2013 06:24 AM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 07/31/2013 10:07 AM, Sergio Martino wrote: Hi, a friend of mine would like to build a dictionary for a local dialect and he asked for my help. First I build the aff and dic files and I tested them with hunspell. It works. Can you help me to do this, is there any tutorial or something? How to build aff and dic so it can be tested? Kruno I have made variations on the en_US dictionaries, but I used existing .aff files. I never have found any references to creating one. Never really found one for the .dic file and the .oxt file[s] as well. So I experimented wit the .dic and .oxt files till I got them to work correctly. You never listed whatthe local dialect of what language you were creating the .oxt dictionary for, or at least I have not seen it listed. I am a little behind the game right now, but I tried to make a list of all of the different .oxt language files [dictionaries, thesaurus, etc.] on my dictionary page listing. http://libreoffice-na.us/English-4.0-installs/dictionary.html I hope to have some time in the next month to check for updates to the listed files. As I update the files, I try to remember to listthe last change of the word list or the thesaurus files. With 180 +/- listings, it can take a lot of time to work on finding the updates. But hopefully I will be able to take time in August to do some of them. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
in /home) on a separate partition is not to do with routine performance. it's more about making the system more robust. it allows you to install a completely new OS without any risk to your data (but still back-up anyway of course). In theory you can have several different OSes all using the same /home although that gets a bit messy if they have the same DE. it works a bit better if you have 1 KDE one, 1 Gnome(ish), and maybe 1 of any of the rarer ones (does Unity count as 1 of the rarer ones? i'd say it does but i'm sure others disagree). Otherwise you find all your different OSes use the same wallpaper and look the same (big yawn that is) and you don't get the benefit of the different design teams interesting work. Something i haven't really tried much, or at least can't remember the result, is putting all the Virtual Memory on a separate physical hard-drive. There is an option to split Virtual Memory across several different hard-drives/partitions some of which might be physically different drives but i'm not sure whether doing that is good or bad. Errr, i haven't mentioned Bsd or Apple because i just haven't played around with them that much. They don't seem to slow down as much as Windows so i guess they have a similar set-up to GnuLinux or have some neat work-around that might not translate well to GnuLinux let alone Windows. Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 8:48 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 Hi Tom Interesting post. Agree, sometimes these software wars becomes irksome, as my late mother and father used to say and raised us with this motto how do you know you don't like it if you have not tried it. This was from our young years with foodstuffs that traditionally many young children don't / have never tried, up to the real things in life. But I am in a similiar vein in what MS charge for their O/S and Office suites when they are riddled with known and unknown bugs. At least I have always tried to keep an open mind, and thankfully was raised on other O/S's (not necessarily desktop/workstation friendly) and systems pre-dating MS. I cut my teeth on IBM VAX, Pick, LISP, FORTRAN, COBOL, ATT and SCO Unix, CP/M, BASIC and Xerox GEM, before the adventure into IBM and MS systems with the very first and crude DOS, and then Apple O/S starting some 36 years ago. I can with experience say I have tried them all, and why my entire business and home office is OSS and FOSS, even to desktop. I give my staff the choice of MS or FOSS, thankfully they all eventually migrate to FOSS, which allows me to plow the monies recovered from ongoing and unnecessary licensing fees into better, faster and more up to date hardware. Even to the level of my servers. To end off, the major difference I have between MS software and FOSS, and you covered briefly in your reply, is that when one discovers a bug, or has a problem, one can get a solution or have it fixed promptly without waiting for a major release or service pack, unlike proprietory and closed code. This is the same for malware, it takes so long for the commercial software to produce a fix and prevention compared to it almost being a non-entity in FOSS. I would be intrigued and grateful, if you could email me privately, your tweaks you do for the virtual memory slowdown of it's fragmentation (by the way MS refers to it as the pagefile). And that's another feather in FOSS's cap, one never has fragmentation or needs to defragment it, unlike MS. I might know or remember them, but it's not coming to memory as I type this. Regards On 30/07/2013 03:27 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think disdain is possibly closer than hatred. I think bioth are quite far away from the reality though. I think it's simply that people would rather develop tools that are more robust and less susceptible to malware and slow-downs. I think once you start using OpenSource tools you begin to realise that MS seem to have deliberately built-in vulnerabilities and their slow-downs. FOSS doesn't seem to suffer anything like as much, although a bit of system rot is inevitable in almost any system. I'm just installing Win7 on a handfull of machines and am able to make a couple of tweaks that prevent their Virtual Memory from getting so heavily fragmented. In previous versions of their OS i have found it significantly reduces the slow-downs if you can do this early on. On Win7 it takes an extra couple of clicks but it's still really easy. I always wonder why the default is to set it to fragment as quickly as possible. It's only with Win7 that their de-fragger tool can defrag system files such as the Virtual Memory (err that is Swap to GnuLinux geeks lol). Regards from Tom
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
Hi :) Is Disktrix UltimateDefrag free? FOSS? Lol, somehow i doubt it but i keep an ear out jic. I tend to use the inbuilt Windows one. I don't really care enough anymore to go beyond that. When i did used to care i used PerfectDisk. it usually has a 1 month free trial and that was usually enough for me. Nowadays i just really prefer to just do a reasonably good job and since that is far, far ahead of the way most systems are set-up i just settle for that. I've even found a tendency for ones in England to be set to US localisation and such. If i want a fast system i just reboot into GnuLinux. Windows has other advantages but speed and security are not top of the list! Eskimos have a lot of words for snow and ice because they see a lot of it all. Windows has a lot of words for different security issues because it suffers from tons of different things. [shrugs] I still use Windows quite a bit though because when you know a thing's flaws it's usually easier to cope. Like going round to see a cat owner who insists their cat is always free of fleas, you just know you are going to get bitten so you just deal with it. Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 23:01 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 Hi Tom Ah Ok, I see, this is the same methodology I'm using. I generally turn off the swap file for a badly defragged drive, including any hibernation files etc if active or used on a laptop, then defrag (Disktrix UltimateDefrag, possibly the best I've used to date). After a good clean-up I then set the pagefile and any hibernation files if necessary. With UD's FragProtect, this only has to be done every few months, and they are one of the few defraggers that can defrag and place the MFT at the beginning of the drive along with the folders entries, ahead of any data. But this has to be done with a reboot and MS pre-install mode (UD does it all automatically) to complete this task. And I've benched my drives on all of my systems, it certainly makes for very fast boot and shutdown times, and better stability. Regards Andrew Brown On 31/07/2013 10:52 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) wrt Virtual Memory/pagefile.sys/Swap on Windows the trick seems to be to set it as a fixed value. Find System Properties - Advanced tab - Performance (top 3rd) Settings - Performance Settings - Advanced tab here too - Virtual Memory (bottom section) Change There will be about 3 pop-ups open around now. Use the radio buttons there to change to a Custom size. This really needs to be greater than Ram but not more than 2xRam (else it gets confused and may even reduce performance while tripping over it's own shoelaces). It has to be greater than Ram because when hibernating (perhaps sleeping too?) the contents of Ram gets written to Virtual Memory. But giving it too much just confuses space just confuses things so just under 2xRam is good but over that might get annoying. Make sure the same number is in both the top and bottom boxes. Often there is a recommendation for how much to set it too and it's usually not a bad idea to follow that advice. I've only seen it give a crazy suggestion once or twice out of hundreds of machines. Ok, now it gets a bit fiddly. You have to click on the Set button before clicking on Ok otherwise it forgets and you have to re-type the numbers again. Then you click Ok on each of the pop-ups in turn. Again if you don't it's not harmful, just annoying because it forgets. Of course if you have already been using your machine for a while then Virtual Memory is already quite fragmented so this will only 'stop' it getting worse. It wont improve things. Also when i say 'stop' it will continue to suffer normal system rot and there are other factors such as registry fragmentation that will continue. So, it fixes just 1 problem out of many. When trying to resurrect an ancient and much used machine i would initially set Virtual Memory to 0. Then defrag quite a lot and then plonk a fairly huge file onto the system. Then reset the Virtual Memory to a respectable size and get rid of the huge file. In theory i hoped that would force all the Virtual Memory file to be contiguous and out of the way. GnuLinux does NOT SUFFER from fragmentation until the drive is something like 96% full, not sure of the exact figure but definitely over 90% (it's always that extra just 1 episode/movie of Star Trek). Files might well be fragmented much lower than that despite the elegant way that files are carefully placed in Ext2,3,4 with plenty of room all around them to allow them to grow. There is a limit to how much that policy can really work of course. However even when files are fragmented there seems to be a better system
Re: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language?
Hi :) I still hear a lot of differences in even very common phrases used in different areas of the US. I think it's inevitable whenever people group together in any way. The media seems to average things out a bit but it's more like a trading language that doesn't really belong to anywhere and isn't really anyone's native language but is added to be all sorts and then made instantly bland. Baltimore sounds different from other places, even phrases are different. Regards from Tom :) From: Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2013, 1:16 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How to define a dictionary for new language? On 07/31/2013 03:50 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) /snip/ In England we have a lot of different types of 'English' some of which are completely incomprehensible to an outsider living as far as 30miles away. None of my family ever understood my Gran for example, but she was always there offering cups of tea with a rock-hard scone or porridge only slightly less runny than cement (actually it was all good stuff really but don't tell her that). In the case of cockney that was a deliberate attempt to avoid passing anything onto the old bill by accident. Liverpudlian and Geordie are perhaps due to different peoples having invaded us at different times and different kingdoms all over the place or different tribes claiming different parts. I'm sure it's much the same in any other country. Regards from Tom Is this still true? I am aware that it was true in the past, but I would have thought that with radio, TV and movies, that the local dialects would have mostly disappeared. But what do I know. sitting here on the other side of the pond, where dialects really have pretty much disappeared. (55 years ago, when I was in the Air Force here, I ran into some boys from the backwoods of Kentucky, and they spoke a dialect that was reminiscent of what you read in Shakespeare. I'm pretty sure that's all gone, now. We get news reports with interviews of the locals from all over the US, and there's very little drawl even. Probably those of us in New York or Boston have more of a unique accent today. Altho there is a woman reading commercials on KSEY-FM, in Seymore, TX, who really sounds hillbilly! [KSEY is accessible by the Net, and plays classic country music.]) I ask this OT question because I have been interested in language all my life, and I notice accents. And of course, if _you_ can't understand some folks in Merry Olde, surely I couldn't! --doug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] License for a LO Calc document?
Hi :) Nice answer! Good to have links in there too. I really thought that the poor-man's copyright was a legit way but now it';s obvious that it couldn't be. It's waaay too easy to fake it. That was interesting about the Berne Convention. Next time the issue crops up i might look into that more. My boss was asking about how to apply copyright to something a couple weeks ago so i just pointed him to Creative Commons without really knowing what i was doing. Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Toki Kantoor toki.kant...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 3:04 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] License for a LO Calc document? On 30/07/13 21:48, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: If you take a printed copy and a CD copy of the spreadsheet. Add all of the documentation about how, and when you made it. Then mail it to yourself. Make sure it is sealed very, very well, so no one could say you placed the stuff in the envelope at a later date. What you describing is usually referred to as _The Poor Man's Copyright_. http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html is description of its validity in the United States. http://www.snopes.com/legal/postmark.asp describes issues with using it in the United States. http://www.copyrightauthority.com/poor-mans-copyright/ provides examples of why it usually is not accepted as proof of copyright. mailing to start and then get involved with a copyright lawyer. If the idea is to prove dates, then have somebody other than your lawyer notarise each page, and give the resulting notarised on each page document to your attorney. But this only works in countries in which there is no central registration, _and_ where such registration is not mandatory for pursuit of damages in a court of law. jonathon -- LibreOffice in a Multi-Lingual Environment. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Setting default template
Hi :) The published official guides are much better https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications The in-built help (at least the English version of it) is not always completely up to date or accurate. The international translators team work at it before translating it and i don't think their version is the one we get. There is something mighty odd going on there which i've never understood Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew apb5...@bak.rr.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2013, 10:07 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Setting default template Trying to set a default template. I modified some styles and want to make them my default styles. I have followed the instructions in the help file as detailed below. It doesn't work for me. Steps 1-3, no problem. Step 4 is unclear at best and seemingly inaccurate at worst. After step 3 the My Templates category cannot be selected or entered. The button is inoperative. I used the file name myTemplate (no extension) for my newly saved template name. Since I can't do step 4, I'm unclear as to whether step 5 is a continuation from step 4, or if it means to close the template manager (the only option available to me) and then proceed fresh from the File menu. I did the only thing possible, proceed fresh from the File menu, but *_there is no Templates submenu under File_*. I include a couple of screenshots further below. The first one shows that there is no templates submenu, only save as template. The second one shows the template manager screen where I'm unable to select/push the My Templates button, which you can't actually see that I can't select it, but at least you know I'm where I say I am. So anyone know why it's not working for me? I will point out that 1) it's an HTML file and 2) I'm using writer/web. Perhaps that's the reason? Maybe someone could check and see if it works for them under those conditions? Thank you in advance. To Create a Default Template 1. Create a document and the content and formatting styles that you want. 2. Choose *File - Templates - Save*. 3. In the *New Template* box, type a name for the new template. 4. In the *Categories* list, select My Templates, and then click *OK*. 5. Choose *File - Templates - Organize* vnd.sun.star.help://shared/text/shared/01/01110100.xhp?Language=en-USSystem=WINUseDB=noDbPAR=swriter. 6. In the *Templates* list, double-click the My Templates folder. 7. Right-click the template that you created, and choose *Set as Default Template*. 8. Click *Close*. To Reset the Default Template 1. Choose *File - Templates - Organize* vnd.sun.star.help://shared/text/shared/01/01110100.xhp?Language=en-USSystem=WINUseDB=noDbPAR=swriter. 2. Right-click a text file in any of the two lists, choose *Reset Default Template - Text Document*. 3. Click *Close*. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Need screenshots and proofread for FAQ referenced in Help
Hi :) Any chance of more screen-shots for Sophie? (translations and documentation teams) I think just these 3 pages in the wiki https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/141 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/142 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/143 Regards from Tom :) From: Sophie hidden To: documentat...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2013, 9:28 Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Need screenshots and proofread for FAQ referenced in Help Hi all, I'm currently working on documenting the new conditional formatting feature for the help files, issue is here https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55618 Inside the help text, I've incorporated 3 FAQs articles that were existent in French and that I'm translating, see here : https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/141 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/142 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/143 -only the first is written but I'll be over today Could one of you adapt the screenshots and proof read the text? There is also the text on the issue that has to be proof readed I'll take care of the the sample spreadsheets attached to the FAQs. Thanks in advance Kind regards Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: OT: Defraggers...Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
Hi :) It is awkward but it's the way the list has been set-up. We just need to delete twice per message rather than just once. We can't really expect people to change email-clients just in order to post to this list! That would be absurd. It might be good to start-up a petition about getting the list set-up back to the way it was when it all worked magically whichever emailer people used. Btw good call re: NOT feeding the troll. Regards from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2013, 13:36 Subject: Re: OT: Defraggers...Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 And you did it again. Best is to use an email client that actually supports Reply-To-List (like Thunderbird). On 2013-08-01 8:11 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: Apologies Tanstaafl, I replied to all. I must have replied directly to you as well as the list Regards Andrew Brown On 01/08/2013 01:51 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: Please don't send to me directly, I'm on the list. Thanks On 2013-08-01 7:44 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: Hi Tanstaafl Yes, a good choice, I forgot about UltraDefrag. Regards Andrew Brown On 01/08/2013 01:26 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: Someone had asked about a free/FOSS defragger... There is UltraDefrag: http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/en/index.html I don't use it much, but thats only because disk fragmentation is not nearly as big of a problem on modern systems as it used to be. Windows7+ does a pretty good job of avoiding fragmentation all on its own. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: License for a LO Calc document?
Hi :) There are many options depending on how quickly and easily you want people to see it. Once you have chosen which license you want to use there is a logo that you can copypaste directly onto the page. Then right-click on the logo to get the Picture dialogue box and hunt for the place to put a url address. Copypaste the link to the CreativeCommons page about the license you have chosen. For example the link to the CC by SA license (as used for the Published Guides) is http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.en_GB errr, that's the English (GB) page for it anyway (obviously). Tbh i hadn't realised that CC did a lot of different languages. I'd kinda assumed they just wrote it up in just Eng (US) so that was a nice surprise :) If you do it that way and then Export to Pdf when people see the little logo they find they can click on it and that opens a new tab in their web-browser or opens their default web-browser at the right page. You could, either in addition to that or instead of doing it, just add the url into the document so that people can read the url before clicking on it. Another way might be to use File - Properties - Description to hide the links or/and full description in there. Just copypasted from the Creative Commons page perhaps? Regards from Tom :) From: csanyipal csanyi...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2013, 12:50 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: License for a LO Calc document? Hi Joel, I have plan to sharing it say on the Internet, or say on a flesh drive that I bring in to the school where I'm working. I want to use Creative Commons License ( CC ). In this case I will put the License for myLO Calc Spreadsheet file on my homepage ( one can see how to do that here: http://creativecommons.org/choose/ http://creativecommons.org/choose/ ) , but I think I should to give some information for the future users of the spreadsheet about CC License for this work. Can I give this information in the Calc spreadsheet itself? - Best Regards from Pál -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/License-for-a-LO-Calc-document-tp4068086p4068401.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3
Hi :) On the space station it's only the laptops that are going to have GnuLinux put on them. All the commandcontrol systems are already GnuLinux. I was listening to one of the ground-crew giving instructions on what to type in and it was roughly like ls, LS, it says ... roger cd .., cd ..., err nothing happened, roger That's ok. it shouldn't have said anything [sigh of relief] and then a command that my network administrator had emailed to me for me to do on our network!! :))) About 80% desktop machines here have Xp, the other 20% have Win7. All have Ubuntu. So do they count as Window machines or GnuLinux when they have both? 2/3 servers have Debian (including the firewall box), 1/3 is Windows Exchange (that's the noisy one that keeps weirding out). The Routers and switches seem to use a Linux. Most hand-helds are Android, couple Blackberry, couple iThings, 1 Windows phone. All counts are unreliable. Most are paid-for research with MS paying the bill. If a machine is bought with Windows on it and the Windows gets wiped and replaced by GnuLinux then that gets counted as a Windows machine by pretty much all researchers. Hence Bug1 in Ubuntu. Regards from Tom :) From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2013, 12:50 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 4.0.3 Urmas wrote: According to http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey, Windows 8 is working on 14% of computers. It's more than 10 times Linux marketshare. Lessee now. I have 5 computers here. Only one has Windows on it and it spends most of it's time running Linux. I have a tablet and a smart phone. Both run Android (Linux). I have a TV, A/V receiver Bluray player, all running Linux. I also have an Asus Eee PC (borrowed by a friend) that runs Linux and even my WiFi access point runs Linux. Also, how do you get W8 is on 14% of computers, when the facts show otherwise? Windows 7 and XP are both used on many more computers. In fact, computer manufactures were claiming W8 was responsible for much of the decline in computer sales. Look at how well Nokia is doing since switching to Windows Phone. They went from industry leader to also ran. BTW, did you hear the news item recently about how all the computers on the International Space Station have all been converted to Linux. Or how just about all the top 500 supercomputers run Linux? Or how most of the servers on the Internet run Linux? Or... You might also be interested in reading this article: http://opensource.com/education/13/7/linux-westcliff-high-school -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Time for Linux Journal's Readers' Choice Awards nominations
From: Jean Weber To: LibreO - Marketing Global market...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2013, 19:50 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Time for Linux Journal's Readers' Choice Awards nominations http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/readers-choice-awards-2013-nomination Item 29 is Best Office Suite, but you may also wish to nominate your preferred programs in other categories as well. Voting occurs later in August. --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop-integration
Hi :) WOW!! :D Top marks to the devs that were involved with this and many thanks to Petr for letting us know too. I think it would be good to publicise this a bit more widely. Surprisingly few people ever seem to read Readmes. it's a good place to start obviously. Perhaps someone could pass it on to the Marketing List to nominate it as an entry in the next announcement? I don't think there is a formal process for that yet but it might help the person that puts the announcements together. There's always a list of things that could go in but it's tricky to pick on the 1 or 2 'killer' features. Regards from Tom :) From: Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz To: hc.stoellin...@aon.at Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 2 August 2013, 11:37 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] desktop-integration Heinrich Stoellinger píše v So 20. 07. 2013 v 17:26 +0200: Hello, I downloaded LO 4.1.0-RC3 yesterday. Looking at the files after tar -xvf ... I find that there still is no desktop-integration directory in the main installation tree of files. Is it meant to be like that? The desktop-integration directory has been removed in LO-4.1. It was there from historical reasons: 1. There was different desktop integration for different RPM-based Linux distributions. They were not longer needed because Linux distros switched to the Freedesktop standard, so the freedestop-menus package should work on all RPM-based distros. 2. The desktop integration packages for different Lo version conflicted. This was solved by versioning the package names, filenames, menu entries. So, you could install the desktop integration for LO 4.1 in parallel with the desktop integration for LO 4.0 We removed the subdirectory to make it easier to install the package. Unfortunately, we forgot to update the installation instructions in the README file. It will be fixed in the 1st bugfix release, 4.1.1, see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67061 Well, the is still one problem with files and directories ownership in the .deb packages. It might cause problems with the desktop integration. See https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67388 Best Regards, Petr -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer
Hi :) We just got an Oki MB471 Dead easy to set-up to print and does all the duplexing and everything just fine. Oki had a ppd driver on their website. There is no driver for faxing and i haven't tried scanning yet either. I thought the whole thing was going to be a total nightmare in GnuLinux because our Oki C810 still doesn't work. There was a ppd for the C610 but that doesn't work for the 810. The main problem for me is that there seems to be hundreds of drivers that are listed through OpenPrinting and places specifically for the C810 but none of the ones i have tried so far work at all. So, i was quite surprised that it took about 10mins per machine to sort the MB471 in GnuLinux but about an hour to go through the Windows installer. Hewlett Packard just seem to be easy whichever system you are using. They seem to last longer and even appear in 2nd hand listings which hardly any other printers do. Ages ago i asked this list for advice about the best printer to choose and got some good advice which my boss ignored. Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 22:46 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer Hi Kracked_P_P You have me all quizzy now about it too. I own a Brother MFC-J6510DW large format multifunction printer, quite a process to set it up in Ubuntu (like you from 10.04 to present 13.04) and this box was ticked by default in LO's settings. I will experiment with it unticked and see if it affects my printer. Regards Andrew Brown On 31/07/2013 09:33 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: When I had the issue with the duplexing on one printer, it seemed that everyone who was helping must have been on Windows, since they did not know what I was talking about with the extra dialog check box. Why it is listed in the Linux [Ubuntu 10.04LTS and 12.04LTS for me back then] and not in the Windows installs, I was never given a good answer. I was told that it was just needed for Linux and not for Windows. Then the fact that for some printers the check box needed to be checked, while other did not, tended to make the issue a little worse to figure out. On 07/31/2013 06:21 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Kracked_P_P OK, you are correct in that there is an extra dialogue box for the Linux version of LO, in my case LO 4.0.4.2 running under Ubuntu 130.04 Raring Ringtail. See the screenshots below now from Linux. If others want to see this then I will make an entry on Nabble. The print settings seem the same except for the extra tick box to do PDF as Standard Print Job Format Regards Andrew Brown On 31/07/2013 09:56 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: HI Kracked_P_P As to my statement, here is a screenshot of the Windows version of LO 4.0.4.3. indicating the option to check Use LiberOffice dialogues under General. I'll look under my Linux (dual boot) to see what you are referring to. You should see these screenshot, but it will be stripped when forwarded onto the global mail. Nothing under the Print section Regards On 30/07/2013 04:26 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Last time I checked, Windows version did not have the --- Use LibreOffice dialogs in the Print dialogs section. I do not think the Print dialogs would be, or should be, listed under open/save dialogs section. That would not make sense. Are you saying the print dialogs check box is actually listed in that section of the General dialog box? Well, I have not installed 4.1 yet, but the Print dialogs option was shown on the DEB 64-bit version [Ubuntu 12.04 and 13.04 installed] and not on the Windows version [Win7 professional and home premium installed] When I was having all my issues with my printer[s] not duplexing correctly, it seemed that most of the people who tried to help were Windows users. None of the even suggested the print dialog check/uncheck option. After a few weeks, I just started experimenting and found that checking the print dialogs option would make the Epson Artisan 810 printer duplex correctly. The HP Laserjet 2300dn duplexing worked either way. Now that I have a Cannon MG6220 to replace the Epson, I have not unchecked that box to see if the duplexing still worked. On 07/30/2013 03:05 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Kracked_P_P One correction, your last statement, the option to check Use LiberOffice dialogues is available for Windows users under the same Tools / Options / LibreOffice / General. In this part of the General settings it's under the heading Open/Save dialogues. Regards Andrew Brown On 30/07/2013 02:11 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 07/29/2013 03:36 PM, sun shine wrote: Hello list On a Debian like system (Mint 14), my newly installed 32-bit LibO-4.1. is
Re: [libreoffice-users] Fwd: Tavutus [= Hyphenation]
Hi :) Personally i am glad to hear the the 2 communities do still work together from time to time and that some people help in both projects. It feels much better that way rather than feeling like it's us against them when we are all really aiming for much the same thing and that is Freedom OF Choice. Both project offer slightly different things so it makes more sense to work together. Together we stand. Divided we .. err well in this case we still do well but it's better with 2 of us than just 1. Regards from Tom :) From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Timo Kivelä timo.kiv...@kolumbus.fi Sent: Friday, 2 August 2013, 16:33 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Fwd: Tavutus [= Hyphenation] At 16:25 02/08/2013 +0100, Brian Barker wrote: From: Timo Kivelä timo.kiv...@kolumbus.fi (not subscribed) Hei Latasin OpenOffice version 4. Writer ei osaa t[a]vuttaa. Aaargh! This message was originally sent to the Apache OpenOffice Users list. I forwarded the translation to this LibreOffice Users list by mistake. Many apologies. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Time for Linux Journal's Readers' Choice Awards nominations
Hi :) Often feels like they haven't quite reached 1998 yet in this country Regards from Tom :) From: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 2 August 2013, 18:44 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Time for Linux Journal's Readers' Choice Awards nominations 2013/8/1 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: From: Jean Weber To: LibreO - Marketing Global market...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2013, 19:50 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Time for Linux Journal's Readers' Choice Awards nominations http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/readers-choice-awards-2013-nomination Item 29 is Best Office Suite, but you may also wish to nominate your preferred programs in other categories as well. Thanks. I just nominated Apache OpenOffice in that category. I have had much less problems with it than with LibreOffice. It even fixed a spreadsheet of mine that LibreOffice corrupted… Voting occurs later in August. Yes, but what year? I quote: ”Remember, voting will open on August 2, 2011. Please be sure to visit www.linuxjournal.com/rc2011 after that time to cast your vote in the 2011 Readers' Choice Awards!” Okay, maybe they live in a special time zone. Here in Sweden it has been 2013 for quite a while now. I guess we are a little bit ahead… :P Johnny Rosenberg --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc - Matching Up Text Fields
Hi :) +1 Regards from Tom :) From: Errol Goetsch er...@xe4.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 8:07 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc - Matching Up Text Fields snip / I looked at the many contributions you have made on this list (and others) over the years. I'd like to take this chance to publicly honour you for caring for and committing to a community made up mostly of strangers far away. Thank you for your ongoing sacrifice. Errol -- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] writer macro record function missing
Hi :) The Published Guides are much better than the in-built help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications The in-built help is quick as a quick reminder or for quickly experimenting but the English one tends to be very out-of-date. In the Published Guides try the Getting Started Guides chapter on getting started with macros. (free to download) If you let us know what you are trying to get the macro to do then someone here might be able to help. If it's just that you want to learn macro programming or convert existing skills then Andrew Pitonyak's guide to macro programming is apparently well worth the money. Regards from Tom :) From: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com To: Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 18:17 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] writer macro record function missing 2013/8/3 MissKeating misskeat...@comcast.net: Using LO-writer Version 3.6.1.2 (Build ID: e29a214), the unhelpful help says that in order to record a macro, one should: Choose *Tools - Macros - Record Macro*. Under *Tools - Macros -- *there are just 3 live options: *Run Macro -- Organize Macros -- Organize Dialogs. *A fourth, Digital Signature, is grayed out. There is no *Record *facility, either at the expected menu level, or under *Run*or *Organize*. It is hard to see the relevance, but for completeness:this is all happening on an Acer laptop running Curtains 7; 2 GHz P6100; 3 mB L3 cache; 4 gB. If one ever managed to generate a macro, then there would be this problem: *To save the macro, first select the object where you want the macro to be saved in the Save macro in list box.* What is an object in this context? Is it what we would know as a subdirectory, or is there yet another new level of understanding to be mastered here? trj They probably hide it because the macro recorder is crap anyway. Just don't use it. Write your code manually instead. There is a slightly better macro recorder available somewhere, though. Johnny Rosenberg -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice installation issue.
Hi :) Oh, i assumed it was just another troll or else just someone a bit rushed and unable to do a simple google-search or quick visit of the LibreOffice or The Document Foundation websites. It's unusually hot in the UK right now so people are unusually irritable here at the moment. On the downloads page it does give the 4.1.0 by default which i tend to think is a bit of a mistake. I think it should be the latest stable version at least until the newer branch reaches x.x.3. However, they do clearly state (just above the downloads 'buttons') that This version of LibreOffice is prepared with care and presented with pride by the LibreOffice community. PLEASE NOTE that, since this is the very first version in the series, make sure to read the release notes (under Handy resources). The bit after the PLEASE NOTE is worth taking notice of. Perhaps making it a bit clearer by saying in the NEW series might have helped but however careful one is about things like that someone will find a way of not noticing it or of misunderstanding it. From what Sandor Marton wrote it's quite possible he got a corrupted version of LibreOffice from some 3rd party site rather than from the official website. Normally 3rd party sites are also careful and good as they often have their own reputation to maintain. Of course it might be possible to find some dodgy blog site but hopefully people have more sense than to go out looking for trouble. I was a bit surprised Sandor Marton didn't give a link to where he downloaded from but i've seen people forget that sort of detail before so it wasn't a huge surprise. Similarly with OS, and error messages. He did mention that he tried to install it without any language, which i hadn't thought of trying. I didn't think it was possible to install just 2 or 3 of the modules. The question has come up a few times in the mailing list and i'm sure other places too and the answer is almost always No. Usually giving the reason why not. Again it might be possible to find some dodgy site or place that have people giving hopelessly wrong answers such as Staples, Kioskea, Yahoo Answers but a quick look at a couple of other answers on their sites usually indicates how reliable they are. Sadly Staples probably looks legit, although at the end of the day it is just a warehouse-shop so the sales staff are likely to be desperately low paid and clueless. It might be tricky for some people to find this mailing list. It's 3 clicks from any of the slides on the home-page 1. Click on whichever slides' link 2. Click on Get Help 3. Click on Nabble or Mailing Lists although some of the other options would have also reached people, notably the IRC or Ask LibreOffice Actually one of the links leads to the The Document Foundations website and that has a Contact us page which leads to the mailing list and to our Facebook fan page, the official blog, twitter, indenti.ca, an email address to reach the Board of Directors and 4 named individuals that have official @documentatfoundation.org email addresses. So, i just ignored the original post but i keep considering passing it on because it throws up a few concerns that it might be possible to prevent in the future = such as adding NEW in before series on the downloads page or doing something else to make it even clearer that there is a more stable branch/series. Regards from Tom :) From: Werner F. Bruhin werner.bru...@free.fr To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 15:00 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice installation issue. Hi Sandor, I am just a user of LibreOffice but seeing that you are a Senior Software Developer I have to react to this post. For someone who is involved in software development it is shocking for me to see how little useful information you provide for anyone to do anything with. Things like: - what OS - what language pack of the OS - what error messages did you see - was any prior version of LibreOffice installed might be useful to a support person and/or a developer. Werner On 03/08/2013 09:37, Sandor Marton wrote: To Whom it May Concern, I've installed the latest version of Libre Office to my PC. Version 4.1.04. I selected only calc and draw programs to be installed, along with language English (UK) only. Doing that the program wouldn't run after successful installation. After the failure I uninstalled it and I could see only invalid characters in the uninstall dialogue box. I think unselecting the language English (US) or English (South Africa ?) was a mistake but I was able to do it and it is wrong. If the language is essential for the application to run it shouldn't be an option to install. I also find very hard to find this email address on your website. I bit frustrating Needless to say, the program is off the PC and not going back for a while. Good luck next
Re: [libreoffice-users] eastern front in new version
Hi :) Game. It was a tpyo. It's an odd name imo because everywhere has somewhere else that is east and to some people the eastern font was actually to their west (unless going the longer way around). Someone recently sent me a link to a Steam Game that is on special offer at £30 but i am still quite enjoying Glest and Wesnoth. I do quite like the idea of the Humble Bundle collections that come out from time to time. I think if more GnuLinux people did buy games then the Games industry might take more notice and that might have a domino effect resulting in better drivers. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 22:36 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] eastern font in new version On 08/03/2013 01:29 AM, Doug wrote: On 08/02/2013 09:03 AM, Mark Stanton wrote: All quiet on the eastern font, then... :-) Mark Does anybody know if the old Atari game, Eastern Front has been ported to Linux, or even to Windows? --doug You looking for the font used on the Atari system or a game? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice-4.1.0.4 No Label Formats
Hi :) Any chance of going back to the 4.0.4? It might be worth trying to rename your User Profile to see if that fixes it https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile Is there any chance of uploading the label.xml to Nabble so that people here can have a look? It might be good to make a bug-report about this https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport one of the steps helps you look for duplicates and if something does already exist that might help you work-around the problem Good luck and regards from Tom :) From: Frank Peters frank.pet...@comcast.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 22:04 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice-4.1.0.4 No Label Formats Hello, After installing libreoffice-4.1.0.4 I tried to create mailing labels using File -- New -- Labels. When I get the dialog screen, every pre-defined label format that is shown has all formatting fields set to zero with 1x1 for columns x rows. For example, Avery Letter 5160 shows all margins 0 with 1x1 columns x rows. This, of course, is not correct. The same values appear for *every* pre-defined label of every type. What is happening? Why can't libreoffice retrieve the correct format values for these pre-defined labels. I checked for the share/labels/labels.xml and it is present. This file presumably contains all the format information for the pre-defined labels. How can I fix this problem? Frank Peters -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice installation issue.
Hi :) LibreOffice is tightly integrated and attempting to install only 1 or 2 components doesn't save you much disk-space. They all use the main core. Each module/component/'program'/'app' adds only a tiny bit extra on top. If all you want is a spreadsheet then Gnumeric is a standalone spreadsheet program and is sometimes faster or more sophisticated than Calc or Excel. It might look rudimentary on the surface but only because all their work goes into the under-the-bonnet stuff https://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/ https://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/downloads.shtml For picture editing you might find a dedicated scalar-vector graphics program better http://inkscape.org/ or a photo-editor that looks a bit like Photoshop http://www.gimp.org/ for which the Windows down-loader is here http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/ Personally although i really like Gimp in GnuLinux i find it's Windows version a pain. In GnuLinux when you want to save in a different format you just change the file-ending from .jpg or .gif or .png or whatever to the format you do want. It then gives a pop-up listing lots of options but the defaults are fine so just Ok and job-done. In the Windows version you can only save in xcf format and have to use File - Export - and then choose the format, and then deal with the same pop-up. So, if you are doing graphic design then inkscape is probably one of the best. If you are doing photo-editing on Windows then possibly Gimp. If you are on GnuLinux, such as Ubuntu, SuSE or other then definitely Gimp. However there are lots of different programs for drawing so it really depends on what you are doing. Apparently if you are uploading your photos to picassa then they have a pretty neat drawing tool that you can use without even installing it on your machine (ie it's a Cloud-based app). Regards from Tom :) From: Sandor Marton sandor.mar...@sparc-systems.co.uk To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 8:37 Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice installation issue. To Whom it May Concern, I've installed the latest version of Libre Office to my PC. Version 4.1.04. I selected only calc and draw programs to be installed, along with language English (UK) only. Doing that the program wouldn't run after successful installation. After the failure I uninstalled it and I could see only invalid characters in the uninstall dialogue box. I think unselecting the language English (US) or English (South Africa ?) was a mistake but I was able to do it and it is wrong. If the language is essential for the application to run it shouldn't be an option to install. I also find very hard to find this email address on your website. I bit frustrating Needless to say, the program is off the PC and not going back for a while. Good luck next time. Regards, Sandor Marton Sandor MartonSenior Software DeveloperSparc Systems Ltd.—- IMPORTANT NOTE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the originator of the message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifies and with authority, states them to be the views of Sparc Systems Ltd.http://sparc-systems.co.uk http://checkweigh.co.uk sa...@sparc-systems.co.uk -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Dimensions not working
Hi :) Did you get good answers to this and/or have you solved the problem now? If not then please let us know the current situation and if anything has changed. If you did fix it then it would be nice to know that too but it's not really necessary to tell us if you don't have the time for it. Regards from Tom :) From: Joseph Hesse joehe...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013, 20:01 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Dimensions not working Hi, I am using writer 4.x. I formatted an 8.5 x 11 page as follows: Top, Bottom margin = 0.25 Body is a table with 1 column and 3 rows. The top row has a height of 5. The middle row has a height of 0.5. The bottom row has a height of 5. The numbers 0.25+5+0.5+5+0.25 add up to 11. The table will not fit on one page, the bottom row goes to a new page. How do I fix this? Thank you, Joe Hesse -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] stable vs new
Hi :) To put it as simply as possible ... A new branch starts off full of new stuff and some of that new stuff might cause unexpected problems on some machines. There is no way around it. It's not possible to test a new program on all possible combinations of hardware, OSes, programs and configurations. During alpha and beta testing the new release is tested on as many systems as reasonably possible. More people could help with that by running pre-release versions early on and reporting back any issues. I try to but never seem to have the time and never really try out many different features anyway. So, the x.x.0 gets released and people start using it and reporting back some of the issues they find with it. Some of those along with known issues and even obscure issues get fixed. Instead of doing little updates every couple of days, like some programs do, these all get wrapped up into the next release, the x.x.1 rinse and repeat to get the x.x.2 and again for the x.x.3 At this point most people say the branch is about as stable as possible so it starts being called stable branch. However nothing new has been added for some time and some people have lots of exciting new ideas or have been working on something for years and finally got it working, others have been getting bored and started looking at other projects to get involved with to do more exciting things there. So, while a lot of the devs stick with bug-fixes there are also a lot that move to an even newer branch. So we have x.x.4 = now called stable branch although earlier release in the same branch are not any more stable than they were before x.y.0 = newer branch then both branches develop alongside each other for a while giving us x.x.5 = stable x.y.1 = new(ish) and then x.x.6 = very stable x.y.2 = getting there for the 1st time ever we ended up getting x.x.7 = very stable x.y.3 = stable x.z.0 = new branch all at the same time. Normally we don't bother with the .7 but the end of the 3.blah.blah was a bit momentous. ( 3 has been around for years and years and moving to the 4 meant some significant changes. I hadn't realised about the desktop-integration being pulled in and probably missed all the other changes too. I was more concerned about javaaccessibility issues but i think Stuart informed us that the newer java-access-bridge does now work with the newer LO releases. So people don't need to stick with the 3.6.x branch to get their screen-readers working. ) Of course that is a bit simplistic. The x.y.0 includes all the fixes that go into the x.x.4(ish) and maybe more as well. However because of all the new stuff it might also suffer (or benefit from) regressions, some old problem might re-emerge, some new issues might arise. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. Also the x.z.0 might introduce some killer feature that you just can't do without. It's often better to start with a x.z.0 release because if you do find flaws and post bug-reports it catches the most devs attention and it's the point where the least number of users are posting bug-reports. You are something like 25% more likely to get your pet-peeves dealt with at that time than at any other time or for any other release. So, the 3.6.7 is extremely stable. The 4.0.3 and now the 4.0.4 'should be' plenty stable enough that hardly anyone has problems. I gather the 4.0.3 was a bit of a let down but the 4.0.4 made up for that. We 'should' initially try the 4.1.0 on our own machines but roll out the 4.0.4 (or wait for the 4.0.5) for machines that need to be stable. Of course of the 4.1.0 has no problems in your environment then roll that one out. It should be stable enough for almost every set-up even though stability is not it's main aim. Regards from Tom :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice installation issue.
Hi :) Was that just on GnuLinux (and presumably Bsd) or on Windows too? Regards from Tom :) From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 12:43 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice installation issue. Tom Davies wrote: I didn't think it was possible to install just 2 or 3 of the modules. I haven't checked recently, but for years, with OpenOffice, it has been an option, though it didn't save much disk space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Unsubscribe
Hi :) Annoyingly in my email 'client' the address users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org is shown looking like unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org is the email address and the users+ as being some strange extra bit that is not really part of the address. I'm guessing that happens with some other email 'clients' that are in common usage these days. The users+ part is an important part of the address so it really needs to be the entire line users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Also it's fairly rare to find a signature that is actually helpful. Mostly we get so used to completely ignoring useless disclaimers and hopeful messages about having been scanned by some embarrassingly ancient antivirus them that we don't even bother to read even the good ones. Regards from Tom :) From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org; nj...@juno.com Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 12:40 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Unsubscribe Nicholas Micalone wrote: To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org This should be at the bottom of the messages To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Dimensions not working
Hi :) Thanks and congrats :) Nicely done Regards from Tom :) From: Joseph Hesse joehe...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 13:26 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Dimensions not working Hello, Your answers helped, I decreased some of the dimensions by a tiny fraction of an inch to get it all to fit. Thank you, Joe On 08/04/2013 05:55 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Did you get good answers to this and/or have you solved the problem now? If not then please let us know the current situation and if anything has changed. If you did fix it then it would be nice to know that too but it's not really necessary to tell us if you don't have the time for it. Regards from Tom :) From: Joseph Hesse joehe...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013, 20:01 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Dimensions not working Hi, I am using writer 4.x. I formatted an 8.5 x 11 page as follows: Top, Bottom margin = 0.25 Body is a table with 1 column and 3 rows. The top row has a height of 5. The middle row has a height of 0.5. The bottom row has a height of 5. The numbers 0.25+5+0.5+5+0.25 add up to 11. The table will not fit on one page, the bottom row goes to a new page. How do I fix this? Thank you, Joe Hesse -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] stable vs new
Hi :) Yes, i was trying to keep it simple and practical by avoiding side issues or detail. Even so my post turned out to be a lot longer than planned! For some projects stability = stagnation ie that the 3.0.0 could be considered stable because pretty much all the bugs are known issues and mostly written-up somewhere. That has never been considered good enough in LO. The earlier releases in a branch are not considered more stable after the branch reaches .3 or .4. It's only the .3 or .4 and onwards that are considered more stable. Time-based releases vs release when ready. Whichever methodology is used it's only after initial proper release that the thing gets used on the mad set-ups out in the real world that most problems surface and get fixed. With MS products many corporates wouldn't consider installing before Service Pack 1 got released, which means it's only after SP 1 that many problems come to light! So, i agree with Stuart and most of the rest of the project on this issue. I'm sure the arguments about which is best will continue for another 7 years in most projects (and possibly longer). We all get to play ginea pig but we would with proprietary software too. The difference is that if a problem we reported does get fixed we get the fix for free along with all the updates that we didn't help with. There is no paying for upgrades or being pushed into buying a different bundle by some salesman. Regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 16:58 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] stable vs new Folks, In opening this thread ( Nabble http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/stable-vs-new-tp4068750.html ) Tom is correct in a practical sense. Stability is an inherent component of a mature product. And testing during the development cycles by more potential user willing to invest a little time in QA is essential to the health of the project. But a key aspect Tom omits is that LibreOffice development and release stages are tightly timed--and by proxy so is its support. Nor does he mention that the project has stayed on schedule since inception--synchronizing to a six month minor release cycle implemented in a broader ecosystem of Free and Open Source Software. The Release Plan for LibreOffice publishes the release schedule, current status and a historical record of the project, worth a read: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Plan Keeping to the time based release plan means that the delay between initial release on a minor version and the next minor version release is just six months. And that the delay between the x.x.0 release and each bug fix release has been and will continue to be just one month. So, while I don't completely agree Toms' assessment of how far along each bug fix takes things--it is just not the way the user feedback, QA,and development work proceeds--but it is not unreasonable practical advise. Support has kept to the same cycle--for the most part--user documentation (static HTML or wiki based, and published) can always use more active contributors and lags a bit as a result. This is not just development churn, there is solid User eXperience, QA and development work at every tick of the release cycle. And as a minor release nears end of its development life it gets less and less development attention--QA and development resources long since shifted to new development and bug fixes. Enhancements and bug fixes become more and more costly to push backward with each tick in development cycle--so less likely to occur. In a sense that also is stability, or maybe stagnation. The project is on sound footings as a time based release, that is not going to change so no sense in debating it here. Rather, if you have specific questions or comments about its implementation or how best to make use of software from time based release managed project that would be a worthwhile discussion. Stuart a LibreOffice QA volunteer, focusing on accessibility issues. p.s. For use Accessibility and Assistive Technology tools the use of a Java 7, Java Runtime Environment and the Java Access Bridge v2.0.3 was not ported backward to the 3.6.x branch. It was included in the 4.1.0 release, and has been patched for the upcoming 4.0.5 release. Users of 3.6.x must continue to use a Java 6 JRE (e.g. 1.6u45) and manual install of Java Access Bridge v2.0.2. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice-4.1.0.4 No Label Formats
Hi :) Thanks :) Ok, i guess it's time for a bug-report Good luck with that and happy hunting Regards from Tom :) From: Upscope upsc...@nwi.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 19:49 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice-4.1.0.4 No Label Formats On Sunday, August 04, 2013 12:34:24 PM Frank Peters wrote: On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 10:56:51 +0100 (BST) Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: It might be worth trying to rename your User Profile to see if that fixes it The first thing I did was to delete the User Profile and then reinstall. It did not fix the problem. I need to find reports of others having this problem. If none exist then it must be some fault of my system. Anyway, I only use a few label types out of the hundreds available. For these I can create some custom definitions that contain the correct parameters. I'll use this work around until I get more information. Thanks for your assistance. Frank Peters -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted I'm using the openSUSE version of LO. Version: 4.1.0.4 Build ID: 410m0(Build:4) I can confirm there are no label formats on even label shown in writer. I selected new--label, then brand Avery Letter size type 5163. upscope -- openSUSE 12.3(Linux 3.9.8-1.gf3348a8-desktop)|KDE 4.10.5 release 4|Intel core2duo 2.5 MHZ,|8GB DDR3|GeForce 8400GS(NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-319.32) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Notes in Impress vs. PowerPoint
Hi :) Any idea which version of MS Office they have at her work-place? If 2013 then stick to Odp. If an earlier version then it might be worth saving in Ppt format for work but then using the Odp outside of there. Using the Usb-stick method means she doesn't actually install anything at work. It's just being used as a data-storage device but with an added extra. Regards from Tom :) From: Jeffrey Deutsch jdeutsch.aspl...@gmail.com To: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; t...@timdeaton.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 19:08 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Notes in Impress vs. PowerPoint Hello Andrew and Tom, Thank you very much for your advice. (Unfortunately, it may not be applicable in this specific instance, since my wife cannot use any of the ODF programs you mentioned at work, and she does indeed need to share her files there. Also, she does not know whether her workplace's strict security requirements allow for her installing her own programs there or even using her own USB sticks.) I will definitely keep this information in mind for when it will do the most good. Thanks again! Jeff Deutsch Speaker Life Coach A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs http://www.asplint.com Listen to the universe while it whispers before it has to shout. Marion Grobb Finkelstein, Communication Catalyst -- http://www.MarionSpeaks.com On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: Hi Folks To follow on Tom's flash drive apps, I use a collection of apps that has a self installer and updater for flash drives, called PortableApps http://portableapps.com/. Depending on what you want out of the collection of apps, it will install automatically onto a flash drive for you, from anything the size of around 2GB up to 16GB (full apps is 9GB). And they cover LibreOffice, along with other suites. I carry my stick with me everywhere, as long as I have access to a PC, I cam do everything without leaving any trail or file behind on the PC I use. A 16GB stick gives enough space to carry personal or work related docs too. You can even surf the web with nothing left on the host PC. Hope this helps Regards Andrew Brown On 03/08/2013 09:49 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's often best to keep documents in ODF formats, in this case Odp, and just edit that version. Just use the MS formats when you need to share with other people or when you need to use them on a machine where you might not have access to LibreOffice, OpenOffice, Google-docs, NeoOffice, KOffice, Caligra, IBM Lotus Symphony, GNome Office, MS Office 2013 or any of the other office programs that can read/write ODF formats. Note that you could carry LibreOffice (and many other programs) around with you on a Usb-stick so that you can use them on any Windows machine without having to actually install them there http://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable/ there are other companies offering a similar service and a similar range of software. 1 is even faster at getting the newer versions of LibreOffice then the people listed on the official LibreOffice page. Regards from Tom :) From: Jeffrey Deutsch jdeutsch.aspl...@gmail.com To: t...@timdeaton.org Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 17:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Notes in Impress vs. PowerPoint Thank you very much for your help Tim! Jeff Deutsch Speaker Life Coach A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs http://www.asplint.com Listen to the universe while it whispers before it has to shout. Marion Grobb Finkelstein, Communication Catalyst -- http://www.MarionSpeaks.com On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Tim Deaton t...@timdeaton.org wrote: Yes, you would save to the .ppt format in BOTH programs. -- Tim === I know the plans I have for you: Plans to prosper you and not to harm you; Plans to give you hope and a future. --- God (Jeremiah 29:11) On 7/28/2013 9:50 AM, Jeffrey Deutsch wrote: Hello Dave, You said: It's not clear to me what you mean by 'how to start or use Notes'. That's really the long and the short of it. My wife does not know how to start or to use Notes, period. So I really appreciate your giving me the links to the Documentation page -- including the Getting Started and Impress guides -- and to Chapter 8 which includes information about Notes. Also thank you for seconding Clarence's advice about saving the LibO Impress file as .ppt. (Do you also recommend saving it within PowerPoint as .ppt?) Jeff Deutsch Speaker Life Coach A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs http://www.asplint.com Listen to the universe while it whispers before it has to shout. Marion Grobb Finkelstein, Communication Catalyst -- http://www.MarionSpeaks.com On Sun, Jul 28
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
Hi :) This kinda reminds me of the story about 2 bulls on top of a hill both looking down at a herd of cows. The younger one says Lets race down the hill and dance with one of those ladies. The older one replies Lets walk down and dance with them all. If we follow MS's lead in keeping up with their latest formats then we might get short-term gains but we really stuff ourselves up in the longer term. Plus we end up trailing a long way behind MS. We need to work towards getting ahead of them in more and more ways. At the moment we already beat them in quite a few ways but we need more in order for more people to take notice. Regards from Tom :) From: Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: la10...@iperbole.bologna.it la10...@iperbole.bologna.it; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013, 11:46 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 If we have to beat Microsoft then we need to focus only on what Microsoft provides and not on .odt format, etc. We cannot beat Microsoft by introducing a new format and expecting customers to use new formats (I use Microsoft formats only and whatever other formats is suported by Microsoft). We need to beat Microsoft at its own game by doing what they are doing in office suite. A new format is not going to change the game but being totally compatible and stable with the formats that Micorosoft supports (xls, xlsx, doc, docx, save as pdf, text, etc.) is going to change the game. Amit On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, I have been programming since 1987. I have all my degrees in computer science/networking. I have worked for companies like Cisco systems, Juniper networks and have turned down offers from companies like Google and Microsoft for one reason or other. This whole software industry is going in the wrong direction. Actually, by now we should have been done by all the software (all the necessary software developed and installed and used, no bugs, etc. We need to beat Microsoft because we do not want to pay for Office suite. The best way of doing this is to release stable versions only and this can be done by increasing the QA cycle period. I do not release buggy software unless it has been approved by management. And I have not released any software that's gonna hurt the customer even if I have to get into discussions with managers, directors, etc. This whole idea of releasing software frequently is a scam, because work doesn't get done properly in a small time window. No one gets any time for innovation and everyone is just interested in the release. And in the end, the software dies down because the frequent release does not fix things properly and introduces new bugs and over time all these quickfixes kill the product. THERE IS NO DEMAND FROM CUSTOMERS FOR FREQUENT RELEASES. THE DEMAND IS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE SOFTWARE ANALYSTS AND THEY WANT SOMETHING TO DO AND HENCE THEY WANT FREQUENT RELEASES. IT IS A BIG SCAM. I use around 5-6 external softwares and if everyone is releasing something every month then it becomes a headache to me. RELEASING ONLY TWICE A YEAR IS VERY FOOD. THE BIGGEST RISK OF RELEASING FREQUENTLY IS THAT ORIGINAL PROBLEMS ARE NOT SOLVED PROPERLY AND QUICKFIXES MAKE MANAGING THE SOFTWARE COMPLICATED AND IN THE END THE DEVELOPERS GIVE UP AND THE PRODUCT IS SHELVED. AND ALL THIS HAPPENS WITH PAID SOFTWARE TOO. Amit On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) I think with Base it's better to stay with older branches. The 3.6.7 might be better. if the 4.0.3 works for you then stick with that. Sadly there are still not many devs working on Base. It's not flashy enough! Regards from Tom :) From: la10...@iperbole.bologna.it la10...@iperbole.bologna.it To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 10:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 Unfortunately, the 3rd digit rule doesn't work as goog as expected... I use report builder in base, 4.0.3.3 version. Download 4.0.4 and report builder no more works (crash in opening). thanks anyway for developers work, I remember this is a free sw, at the end Federico Quadri Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk ha scritto: Hi :) That 3rd digit is roughly the equivalent of Service pack. So usually the higher it is the more stable it is. Of course even just bug-patches and fixes can sometimes introduce unexpected problems that might not get caught by QA. The best answer, imo, is to keep a very stable version that you are happy enough with on all the machines you look after especially ones that have limited access or that you can't reach easily. Then on 1 machine find some way
Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
Hi :) Just out of curiosity has anyone tried the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 yet? I really liked the sound of the toolbar down the side so i just gave it a quick go. I was a tad disappointed to find that toolbar was in addition to the ones we both already have at the top and mostly was just a duplication of many of those buttons. However 1st time try-outs of new things seldom go completely smoothly! lol I would really like to see both LO and AOO go this route and faster. At the moment all programs seem intent on making the screen more and more like a letter-box slit with more and more wasted space at the sides and more and more crammed in at the topbottom. It's becoming tougher and tougher to see a whole document all at the same time. Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 1:29 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Thanks, Tom. I always disable quickstarter as a matter of course. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:13 PM To: Virgil Arrington ; us...@openoffice.apache.org ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Hi :) I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or any 2 versions of AOO or OOo. Basically avoid having both open at the same time. That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them. This link might help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which better meets my techno-needs. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] side-bar
Hi :) Oops, did a bit of thread hijacking there along with other crimes! Thought i would quickly get it onto a new thread. Regards from Tom :) - Forwarded Message - From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com; us...@openoffice.apache.org us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 20:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Hi :) Just out of curiosity has anyone tried the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 yet? I really liked the sound of the toolbar down the side so i just gave it a quick go. I was a tad disappointed to find that toolbar was in addition to the ones we both already have at the top and mostly was just a duplication of many of those buttons. However 1st time try-outs of new things seldom go completely smoothly! lol I would really like to see both LO and AOO go this route and faster. At the moment all programs seem intent on making the screen more and more like a letter-box slit with more and more wasted space at the sides and more and more crammed in at the topbottom. It's becoming tougher and tougher to see a whole document all at the same time. Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 1:29 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Thanks, Tom. I always disable quickstarter as a matter of course. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:13 PM To: Virgil Arrington ; us...@openoffice.apache.org ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Hi :) I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or any 2 versions of AOO or OOo. Basically avoid having both open at the same time. That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them. This link might help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: us...@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which better meets my techno-needs. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] start up speed
Hi :) You could have either of them use their Quickstarter but it's a pain and kinda blocks having the other one on your machine at the same time. Regards from Tom :) From: Tim Lloyd tim.ll...@gmx.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 5 August 2013, 0:15 Subject: [libreoffice-users] start up speed Hi All, I saw a question on the Fedora Forum regarding the boot speed of LO which is impressive especially compared to old versions of OOo. I think this has been discussed here in the past but I can't find any specific posts. Is there anything running in the background which makes LO start up faster? Cheers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?
Hi :) +1 I think this could become great. A killer feature Regards from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 5 August 2013, 15:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts? On 2013-08-04 6:28 PM, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: To me, the AOO sidebar properties panel adds nothing. As you said, it only duplicates the top toolbar. More importantly (for me at least), the styles panel is buried *beneath* the properties panel. To be fair, it was a 'first effort'... Once it is more mature, I think it will be an excellent option, especially when it *replaces* the top menu bars - this will be a much better layout for anyone using widescreen monitors. I'm now wondering if this will always be optional? In my opinion, this should be similar to other programs, like, for example, Tree Style Tab extension for Firefox, that lets you put tabs on the side - meaning, it is either/or, not in addition to... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base: In basic, how do you open a form to a particular record number?
Hi :) Maybe one of the links in this link? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Programmers It would be nice if the link that has already been given could be added in there so feel free if you know how to edit a wiki (it easy to learn by just doing it) Regards from Tom :) From: Jason White whitewaterssoftwarei...@gmail.com To: Fernand Vanrie s...@pmgroup.be Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 15:24 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Base: In basic, how do you open a form to a particular record number? As far as I can tell, this website only (and I mean only) has two blog posts about Java programming. No references, nor anything else that seems useful. Perhaps the website has changed owner recently? On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Fernand Vanrie s...@pmgroup.be wrote: Jason , on the website from Roberto Benitez http://www.baseprogramming.com/ you wil find what you are looking for ! This is some example code I'm using that opens a form. How do set set the current record number of the newly opened form from the basic script. Sub OpenDataEntry(oEvent As Object) Dim FrmName as string FrmName = Finalization - Data Entry ThisDatabaseDocument.FormDocuments.getByName(FrmName).open() End Sub I'm a programmer. Does anyone know where a useable API reference is for libreoffice basic? I have looked at the documentation and there is no apparent reference to ThisDatabaseDocument , FormDocuments , getByName , and etc. Surely there is a real API reference or some trick I'm missing out there Thanks Jason White -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jason White -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] start up speed
Hi :) I tend to take the view that some users will always manage to infect Windows without even seeming to try. Others will find their system gets infected despite elaborate precautions that no other sane person would bother with. It's more a case of setting things up so that after it does get infected you have some way of dealing with it. Sometimes it's a simple little infection other times it might need a complete reinstall. Taking reasonable precautions makes sense but too much serious hampers productivity and becomes more of a problem than an actual infection would be. Just my 2 cents Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 16:16 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] start up speed Well, I have had a number of system in where I could not install or run anti-virus the installed. I wonder about the portable versions of anti-virus would work? What I usually do it remove the drive and plus it into a USB adapter and use my most secured Windows PC and scan that drive. I use Comodo [like the dragon] since it is free and it has a full Internet Security suite available for the free download. I add a bunch of other security packages to that and scan the heck out of the drive to clean any nasties that might be lurking. So with all that security running on my Win7 laptops [dual boot with Ubuntu 12.04LTS] they tend to run slower than other Windows systems others may have, but slower and safer is better than getting it infected. So, between the Win7 and Ubuntu installs, Ubuntu 64-bit runs the fastest for using LO. Less need of all those security packages running in the background is one reason. I do do a anti-virus scan nightly on my Ubuntu desktop though, just to make sure my downloaded files are clean so I will not pass on infected files to others. I like the fact than AVG has a free Android version and it scans any files that are downloaded and/or installed on my NOOK tablet. The same goes with Comodo on my Win7 systems. So, LO is a fast loading package, even with security packages running in the background, no matter which ones you choose for your Windows systems. LO runs faster on Linux, since there are less a need for all of those security packages running in the background. PLUS, unlike Windows, Linux has both a 32-bit and a 64-bit install so it matched your system a bit better. Of course one day we may have other installs specific to ARM, AMD, Intel, and other CPU types so it is tweaked for the processors. Raspberry Pi has ported LO to their version of Debian to run more efficiently on that processor and OS that has been tweaked to run the RPi. I wonder how many ported tweaks have been made for specific systems out there world wide. So LO is fast loading to the point you are able to use it. The last MSO I used loaded up to the page view window but took several minutes till you were able to edit your document. I assume MS has sped that up a bit, but I have not bough any MSO since 2003 and have not tested MSO 2010 or 2013 [yet]. Did use the trial 2007 a few times, though, but do not remember it being much better than 2003. On 08/06/2013 10:30 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Good point. I only had the anti-malware stuff running. None of the usual other windows open. On Windows machines i typically have 2 running. 1. Microsoft Security Essentials, the one that kinda forces it's way onto your system through automatic updates and stuff even if you don't want it 2. A free one. Usually AVG in the company where i kinda work. In a different place i might be using a different one but AVG seems reasonably ok to me. On machines that are desperately slow running like that i switch off one or the other. Usually the MS one because i still don't completely trust it yet. The number 1 job of any malware has to be to either knock-out the anti-malware stuff or find a way to permanently bypass it without raising any alarms. So anti-malware stuff needs to think in a very different way from whatever in-built security might be around. I don't have any confidence in MS being able to do that. I think a 3rd party program is more likely to have different structures. On the other hand MS might have more of an idea where all their most well-known flaws are and might be able to structure their one to deal with likely threats. So, who knows which is going to be best in the next years or so. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 14:56 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] start up speed Actually my 3 second test, as stated in a past post, was with 3 utilities open on the screen and 2 or 3 Firefox browser windows open. The utilities are always loaded
Re: [libreoffice-users] start up speed
Hi :) I've not had any problems with AVG so far. Afaik! But i definitely think anti-malware stuff is definitely one of those things that people have to make up their own minds about which is best for them. After-all if it works really well then you never know it's doing anything. if it does log lots of things happening then is that stuff that it's making up or would the attacks have happened anyway. It's a bit like the fella in Peckham sprinkling anti-elephant powder on his doorstep each morning. It 'obviously' works because there are no elephants in Peckham. Even better is the example from House MD where a lady said that her monthles had stopped but that was one of the possible side effects of her birth-control pills working. House pointed out it was also a possible side-effect of her pills NOT working. Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 19:05 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] start up speed Hi Tom You are on track, but one thing I will give in defence of freeware malware protection, is MS Security Essentials. It along with the MS firewall built in and Windows Defender built in and activated fully with MSSE installed, make for a not bad system. And you are correct, MS I am sure are fully aware of their exploitable code/bugs/weaknesses, not necessary found by themselves, but by very clever honest and dishonest malware practitioners out there. With personal experience, usage and fighting a good fight, my trust of AVG has waned big time, and MSSE is now top, as I said for freeware. One must remember freeware tools are not strong with active protection and scanning of your system, plugged in devices and email, this is where MSSE does excel. In this order, I mention a Linux scanner that is now ported to MS, as it's not bad and totally opensource. Freeware 1. MSSE 2. Avast 3. ClamAV for Windows For payware there is only two, by continuous test, both personal, business and enterprize, and without starting a flame war Kaspersky ESET Nod32 Regards Andrew Brown On 06/08/2013 04:30 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Good point. I only had the anti-malware stuff running. None of the usual other windows open. On Windows machines i typically have 2 running. 1. Microsoft Security Essentials, the one that kinda forces it's way onto your system through automatic updates and stuff even if you don't want it 2. A free one. Usually AVG in the company where i kinda work. In a different place i might be using a different one but AVG seems reasonably ok to me. On machines that are desperately slow running like that i switch off one or the other. Usually the MS one because i still don't completely trust it yet. The number 1 job of any malware has to be to either knock-out the anti-malware stuff or find a way to permanently bypass it without raising any alarms. So anti-malware stuff needs to think in a very different way from whatever in-built security might be around. I don't have any confidence in MS being able to do that. I think a 3rd party program is more likely to have different structures. On the other hand MS might have more of an idea where all their most well-known flaws are and might be able to structure their one to deal with likely threats. So, who knows which is going to be best in the next years or so. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 14:56 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] start up speed Actually my 3 second test, as stated in a past post, was with 3 utilities open on the screen and 2 or 3 Firefox browser windows open. The utilities are always loaded at boot by my choice. I have several FF windows open with many tabs involved. That is part of my normal desktop use so I do not have to keep opening those pages every day or so, and sometimes 3 or 6 times a day. So with all that background packages, 3 seconds is not bad at all for a Ubuntu 12.04LTS system. Now on my Win7 laptops, well that is a different story, or similar maybe. I have a ton of security packages loaded up at boot time. Also there are some utilities and other options loaded, like printer management and other stuff like that. So there is much more packages running in the background with the Win7 laptops - both dual core but different power - so click to splash to ready for work will take longer. To be honest, I am one of those people that believes that Windows is a OS that can be easily infected with nasties so you must have a lot of security utilities running to keep that from happening. I know some fools that do not even run anti-virus packages. They say why
Re: [libreoffice-users] start up speed
Hi :) Hmm, MS Security Essentials does seem to be quite fast and lets the system run reasonably well. I'm tempted to turn slow system over to just that one instead of the free one. Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 19:59 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] start up speed On 08/06/2013 11:49 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I tend to take the view that some users will always manage to infect Windows without even seeming to try. Others will find their system gets infected despite elaborate precautions that no other sane person would bother with. It's more a case of setting things up so that after it does get infected you have some way of dealing with it. Sometimes it's a simple little infection other times it might need a complete reinstall. Taking reasonable precautions makes sense but too much serious hampers productivity and becomes more of a problem than an actual infection would be. Just my 2 cents Regards from Tom :) When I signed up for my local Cable/Internet service, I was given a free subscription to McAfee AntiVirus. Whether or not it provides good protection, I'll never know as it slowed my computer down to a crawl, with frequent updating and automatic scanning. I got so frustrated that I uninstalled it and installed MS Security Essentials. I have found no reason to distrust SE, and it seems to behave and at least stays out of way when I'm working. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base: In basic, how do you open a form to a particular record number?
Hi :) Yes, sorry for all the Rtfm answers! Prolly is best to ask on devs lists as they might have more idea of what you are doing. There are a few here that seemed to understand but it was all waaay beyond me. Regards from Tom :) From: Jason White whitewaterssoftwarei...@gmail.com To: and...@pitonyak.org Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 16:43 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Base: In basic, how do you open a form to a particular record number? Well, thank you everyone for all the references. I've figured out the I am doing things backwards, I have the tool Xray, and the 1500 page introductory developers guide. Clearly this is a question for one of the core developers (if its not documented in the developers guide) On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/5/50/BH40-BaseHandbook.odt http://www.baseprogramming.com/OOBasicDatabaseDev.pdf http://www.pitonyak.org/database/ http://www.pitonyak.org/database/AndrewBase.odt http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php These links just provide some ideas of other places to look http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Database/Using_DBMS_Features http://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sdbc/TransactionIsolation.html On 08/06/2013 09:23 AM, Jason White wrote: This is some example code I'm using that opens a form. How do set set the current record number of the newly opened form from the basic script. Sub OpenDataEntry(oEvent As Object) Dim FrmName as string FrmName = Finalization - Data Entry ThisDatabaseDocument.FormDocuments.getByName(FrmName).open() End Sub I'm a programmer. Does anyone know where a useable API reference is for libreoffice basic? I have looked at the documentation and there is no apparent reference to ThisDatabaseDocument , FormDocuments , getByName , and etc. Surely there is a real API reference or some trick I'm missing out there Thanks Jason White -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jason White -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Does LO Writer converts (internally) any format other than .odt to .odt when it wants to open such files?
Hi :) Yes, when you are working on a document Writer treats it as a Odt. That is 1 reason why people recommend keeping an original in Odt and then only export to Doc or other formats when you need to share the document with other people on systems that don't have any of the non-MS Office Suites or programs. Other programs behave the same way. When you save in a non-native format it does a translation into that format. Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 20:55 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Does LO Writer converts (internally) any format other than .odt to .odt when it wants to open such files? Hello, As I've described my story before I've already written many parts of my thesis with LO Writer and now I'm finalizing it using LO Writer. However because the original format of my University template was in .doc format I've already saved my current work as a .doc file. I did this for the compatibility with MS Word in mind, but as my work expanded I found some incompatibilities between LO Writer and MS Word especially in their Numbering system and so I shifted to LO Writer system completely, but I still save my work in .doc format. However during my work with .doc format I found out that after closing and reopening the file, some very minor things don't save correctly and each time I have to fix them manually. Additionally, I noticed that when I save my work in a .doc file it shows Exporting document... in status-bar and when I open the same .doc file it shows Importing document... message. These import and export messages bring the idea in mind that LO Writer internally converts any format to .odt format when it wants to open them and vice versa during save. Now I want to know that whether this is true? I mean does LO Writer converts files to .odt when it tries to open them or it can directly work with formats other than .odt like .doc and .docx? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
Hi :) +1 Looks like they get a lot of snow Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 20:28 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed Hi Ken Interesting, I'll need to do some more intense reading of the web page, a nice find. The chart is a bit congested, and they don't seem to cover the freeware versions of the payware versions on the chart, and the ones I mentioned below. It would be interesting to see where they fare against MS's free tools at 90%. Don't get me wrong I'm no fan of MS in any way, but at least their built-in and add-on security products cannot be thumb-nosed at. I personally use Kapsersky Pure 3.0 for all freestanding customer and personal / home PC's and Kaspersky ES (Endpoint Security) or TS (Total Security) for my bigger stuff and client servers. And as can be seen those that seems to score high faired only one test before it looks like they failed (all in red text), so this is not good, brands to avoid, even if they look good as no.1 on paper. Hype, as I say bull baffles brains. Thanks for this link. I like going over stuff like this. Andrew Brown On 06/08/2013 08:54 PM, Ken Springer wrote: Andrew, Just interested in your comments/thoughts on this site: http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/rap-index.xml On 8/6/13 12:05 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Tom You are on track, but one thing I will give in defence of freeware malware protection, is MS Security Essentials. It along with the MS firewall built in and Windows Defender built in and activated fully with MSSE installed, make for a not bad system. And you are correct, MS I am sure are fully aware of their exploitable code/bugs/weaknesses, not necessary found by themselves, but by very clever honest and dishonest malware practitioners out there. With personal experience, usage and fighting a good fight, my trust of AVG has waned big time, and MSSE is now top, as I said for freeware. One must remember freeware tools are not strong with active protection and scanning of your system, plugged in devices and email, this is where MSSE does excel. In this order, I mention a Linux scanner that is now ported to MS, as it's not bad and totally opensource. Freeware 1. MSSE 2. Avast 3. ClamAV for Windows For payware there is only two, by continuous test, both personal, business and enterprize, and without starting a flame war Kaspersky ESET Nod32 Regards Andrew Brown On 06/08/2013 04:30 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Good point. I only had the anti-malware stuff running. None of the usual other windows open. On Windows machines i typically have 2 running. 1. Microsoft Security Essentials, the one that kinda forces it's way onto your system through automatic updates and stuff even if you don't want it 2. A free one. Usually AVG in the company where i kinda work. In a different place i might be using a different one but AVG seems reasonably ok to me. On machines that are desperately slow running like that i switch off one or the other. Usually the MS one because i still don't completely trust it yet. The number 1 job of any malware has to be to either knock-out the anti-malware stuff or find a way to permanently bypass it without raising any alarms. So anti-malware stuff needs to think in a very different way from whatever in-built security might be around. I don't have any confidence in MS being able to do that. I think a 3rd party program is more likely to have different structures. On the other hand MS might have more of an idea where all their most well-known flaws are and might be able to structure their one to deal with likely threats. So, who knows which is going to be best in the next years or so. Regards from Tom :) snip -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
Hi :) Brilliant. Larger file-size is a better test and some of those comparisons were really interesting. So.doc loads and saves much more slowly. I dont know how they do it but the docs team write each chapter of the guides separately and then combine them into 1 book at the end. Master documents perhaps? Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 22:41 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed I also think that start up time for LO Writer and MS Office and many other programs is small enough. But opening an empty document in under 3 secs is not a huge win too! I believe that LO Writer is catastrophically slow in opening heavy documents. For proving my claim, I've done some experiments. Also these manual experiments are not accurate enough to be a precise benchmark but can show you some approximate slowness of LO Writer. Let see how long LO Writer takes to open or save a heavy (~185 pages thesis) document: From clicking document to being able to edit @ .odt: 2'17 Completing Opening document... bar @ .odt: 1'25 From Ctrl+S to being able to edit again @ .odt: 3'00 Completing Saving document... bar @ .odt: (another try): 1'40 From clicking document to being able to edit @ .doc: 5'26 Completing Opening document... bar @ .doc: 3'14 From Ctrl+S to being able to edit again @ .doc: 3'20 Completing Saving document... bar @ .doc: 3'17 Other minimized software: - Another heavy (~186 pages) document open in LO Writer - Thunderbird 17.0 with 5 accounts minimized - XChat with many channels open minimized - GoldenDict with many dictionaries minimized - FreeU proxy software minimized - No browser open File size: - A ~185 pages thesis in either .doc and .odt formats - .doc file size: 6.8 MBytes - .odt file size: 5.6 MBytes Software spec: - Linux Mint Debian Edition Update Pack 6 (latest version and repo) - XFCE 4.8 Desktop Environment - LibreOffice 3.5.4.2 - Thunderbird 17 (minimized) - XChat 2.8.8 (minimized) Hardware Spec: - Laptop: Dell Latitude D830 - CPU: Intel Core2Due T7500 Dual Core @2.2GHZ - RAM: 4GB @677MHz - GPU: NVidia quadro NVS 140m - HDD: 500GB @5400 RPM This experiment shows that LO Writer is very very slow (at least 1'30) when it deals with heavy documents. It's specially not acceptable when I realized that LO Writer always use ONLY 1 core of my CPU and it's why LO Writer works better on my Pentium4 @2.8GHz single core computer than my dual core @2.2GHz laptop. Being single-threaded for such a heavy software is not acceptable in a world of multi-core CPUs. Another limitation of LO Writer is that when it saves a document it blocks the whole software and you have to wait until completion of saving. This issue is solved in MS Word because MSO is a multi-threading software. Because I must save my document at least each 30min therefor I have to rest each 30min for at least 2min because LO Writer takes this amount of time when it saves my huge document. I'm not pleased with save and open operations of LO Writer at all. Regards, Sina Momken On 08/05/2013 05:47 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Gents Kracked, a good reply. If I may add my two cents worth to performance of start-ups here. This is my system hardware top of the range in December 2007, and still hops today. The only things updated since 2008 was the video card and the SATA III hard drives, and the O/S's. Windows 7 Ult. x64 / Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Dual boot, Intel Core2 Duo 6850 3GHZ, MSI X-38 Diamond mobo, Asus ATI EAH5770 CUcore 1GB Video, SuperTalent 6GB DDR3 1333MHZ, Seagate 7500RPM SATAIII 500GB (Windows Boot), Seagate 7500RPM SATAIII 2TB (Data), Seagate 7500RPM SATAIII 500GB (Linux), Thermaltake Toughpower 750W PSU Also my analogy of a well tuned and clean system, will run top gun for many years compared to cutting edge modern hardware today getting bogged down with willy nilly installed and unmaintained software (but again if this is maintained it will remain a top gun from it's day of purchase and clobber my hardware performance). I see and read too many who throw good money at high end systems only to have them slow a few months later, and many who poer poer the idea of cleaning a system (registry and boot processes), and defragging it. So here's my tested speeds of this system above. PC switch on to ready state to use (Windows 7 64bit, with a dual boot menu selection and the login screen) = 40 seconds PC switch on to ready state to use (Ubuntu 13.04 64bit, with a dual boot menu selection and the login screen) = 20 seconds LO Writer from click on icon to ready to type / menu clicks (Windows 7 64bit) etc. - 3 seconds LO Writer from click on icon to ready to type / menu clicks (Ubuntu 13.04 64bit) etc. - 3 seconds LO
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
Hi :) Even so that is not really all that low spec. It's actually qite respectable compared to a lot of systems at my work or other places. 3.2 Gb is higher than most machines in my office. Most are 1Gb or 2Gb at most. We just got a batch of new ones but i haven't really checked out the specs on them much yet. If you look at how much ram is actually being used and then at how much swap you'll probably find about 0 swap is used and only 1 or maybe 2Gb ram at the most. There's not much reason to get more ram if you're running GnuLinux. Plus LO is supposed to run quite well on lower spec anyway. The thing i found really interesting was the comparisons between different things rather than the actual figures themselves. There might be a few odd things that could be done to significantly improve the performance of the machine. Having /home on it's own partition might be nice and would make it easier to do a reintall of the OS without risk to any of the data (although backing up is always wise jic). I'm not sure if it's worth putting the time in to get that increased performance though. This guide is pretty much copypaste without really having to understand it too much but rsyncing the data to the other partition can take quite a few hours. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving During most of the process you can keep using the existing /home and then at the end use rsync again to sync-up the last bit that you changed while all that was going on. Just make sure you have a back-up of the crucial file jic you accidentally sync the wrong way around! Then the actual switch over to the new /home is very quick and if it doesn't work you can go back to the one that did work. Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 23:30 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed Hi Sina You have supplied good info for LO, on your system, but I would like to point out a few issues I see why your system with LO could be slow. Your laptop was launched in May 2007 and discontinued a year later, so five to six year old technology, not completely fair to put the blame at a modern up to date LO's door for slow run times. You don't mention whether your Linux Mint with XFCE is 32bit or 64bit. If 32bit, then you are already hindered by only having 3.2GB of actual RAM available for everything you indicate you have running/open. This is a physical limit and only upgrading to a 64bit version of O/S, will it help you better to utilise your full 4 GB at least, and to upgrade to 6 or 8GB even better. And this RAM is old DDR 2 667MHZ type, quite slow compared to laptops with 1333MHZ and 1600MHZ DDR3. In the case of your laptop, when I last worked on that model of some of my clients, it was installed with a 4500RPM hard drive, the slowest spin speeds of any hard drive for battery endurance, but poorly for performance, are you sure of your speed. But even at 5400RPM it does not lend itself well to performance. Notebook drives have always lagged similiar capacity and spin speed desktop drives, due to the manufacturer focussing on battery endurance as a priority in most cases of general population consumption. Not all of us can afford the Alienware and like monsters, or VoodooPC ones either. But things are getting better hence in the last year maybe two, mechanical laptop drives have increased to 7200RPM, or gone solid state, to relieve the bottleneck, and in the case of SSD, total performance with very good battery life. I have a Toshiba midrange laptop i3, running Ubuntu 64bit and LO, about a year old now with an original 5400RPM 500GB mechanical HDD and only 2GB of RAM originally. A couple of months ago I upgraded it to a 256GB SSD, with 8GB of RAM (max of laptop), and found an incredible performance boost, in everything running on it. And as I mentioned I used heavy documents to the size of around 5MB, for my tests on my desktop, likewise not a solid scientific benchmark, but supplied as a performance indicator that LO is nut a slug as is perceived. Regards Andrew Brown On 06/08/2013 11:41 PM, Sina Momken wrote: I also think that start up time for LO Writer and MS Office and many other programs is small enough. But opening an empty document in under 3 secs is not a huge win too! I believe that LO Writer is catastrophically slow in opening heavy documents. For proving my claim, I've done some experiments. Also these manual experiments are not accurate enough to be a precise benchmark but can show you some approximate slowness of LO Writer. Let see how long LO Writer takes to open or save a heavy (~185 pages thesis) document: From clicking document to being able to edit @ .odt: 2'17
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
Hi :) +1 It's beyond the scope of this list and certainly beyond the scope of individuals here to do rigorous bench-marking. The amount of data we did get was impressive. Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 3:09 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed On 08/07/2013 05:43 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: I would expect that .doc would load slower in Writer and .odt would load slower in Word. The question really is how well does Writer load both. How well it load the 10 page documents vs. the 50 page ones. Both with the same average number of graphics per page. Then look at the simple 20 or 50 page documents vs. the very complex ones. Get an over all load times for the same documents on Writer and Word on various Windows systems and various version of Windows [Win7 - Home/H. Premium/Professional - 64-bit and 32-bit. Vista versions in both 32 and 64 bit.] Then look into the same documents with Writer run on some of the different version of Linux [32-bit and 64-bit OS] such as Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint, Mageia, Arch, etc., etc.. Then with all that data make a chart and add to it every time someone tries the standard documents on different systems and specifications. Then we would have a chart that will tell us how much different systems and specifications effect the load and run speeds of LO, Writer specifically, and Word specifically. Does more RAM or more CPU power influence it most. How does 4.0.4 vs 4.1.0 compare on the same system/specs. How much faster a 64-bit install is over the same distro's 32-bit version. What you're requesting here is an exact benchmark with will take so much time and effort. Besides different file formats, size and heaviness of the file, different OSes and different HW Architectures, the exact conditions of the system during experiment (like the software and processes running in the background, etc.) and the number of repetitions for each experiment must also be specified. Ideally no other excessive processes must be run and each experiment must run more than 10 times. It's accurate to write a test program to automatically test these factors with any repetition desired. But doing all these is a major job and takes much time and effort. If I'd done this before, I've published this on my website or other major website, not on this mailing list which doesn't have many visitors. I only wanted to show you a rule of thumb about LO Writer dealing with heavy files. Without these types of data charted, we could just say what we think is true or want works better for you. To be honest, when I was using it and it worked well, my AMD64 CPU laptop worked better than my Intel dual core laptop. When I asked why my older slower AMD laptop worked faster creating the .iso file using DeVeDe .avi/.mp4 file to DVD-movie disc conversion tool, I was told that the faster dual core laptop was not powerful enough to do the work even though my older slower AMD64 laptop could do it just fine. So, no matter how I think it should not be true, sometimes newer faster systems that we think is more powerful and faster might now be a good as we think and the older slower less powerful systems might actually work better at some job or package. Slower single core laptop working better than a faster speed dual core laptop, does not make sense, but in practice it works that way. I doesn't say that. Actually I exactly said opposite of that. I have a single core pentium4 @2.8GHz desktop which runs LO Writer faster than my dual core core2due @2.2GHz laptop. Maybe power of both cores of my laptop be more than power of cpu of my desktop, but power of a single core of my laptop is surely less than power of a single core of my desktop and because LO only uses 1 core, my older desktop PC wins. So, maybe someone should collect some data and let us know how it worked out. Maybe we could be surprised on what we find. Making a precise benchmark is always a valuable and highly regarded work, can practically assess a software and help to make it better. I sure was running DeVeDe on 2 different laptops, both as XP/Vista and Ubuntu 10.04/ U. 10.04 systems. Regards, Sina Momken On 08/06/2013 06:44 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Brilliant. Larger file-size is a better test and some of those comparisons were really interesting. So.doc loads and saves much more slowly. I dont know how they do it but the docs team write each chapter of the guides separately and then combine them into 1 book at the end. Master documents perhaps? Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com; users
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
Hi :) If you have your /home on a separate partition then it might be possible to install the 64bit version of Ubuntu without disturbing your 32 it version. I tend to use a 10-15Gb partition for / for Ubuntu. It doesn't really need all that much space but Ubuntu is about the most bloated distro at the moment. Having plenty of space makes it easier when installing programs. Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 2:44 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed On 08/07/2013 04:00 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Even so that is not really all that low spec. It's actually qite respectable compared to a lot of systems at my work or other places. 3.2 Gb is higher than most machines in my office. Most are 1Gb or 2Gb at most. We just got a batch of new ones but i haven't really checked out the specs on them much yet. If you look at how much ram is actually being used and then at how much swap you'll probably find about 0 swap is used and only 1 or maybe 2Gb ram at the most. There's not much reason to get more ram if you're running GnuLinux. Plus LO is supposed to run quite well on lower spec anyway. The thing i found really interesting was the comparisons between different things rather than the actual figures themselves. There might be a few odd things that could be done to significantly improve the performance of the machine. Having /home on it's own partition might be nice and would make it easier to do a reintall of the OS without risk to any of the data (although backing up is always wise jic). I'm not sure if it's worth putting the time in to get that increased performance though. This guide is pretty much copypaste without really having to understand it too much but rsyncing the data to the other partition can take quite a few hours. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving During most of the process you can keep using the existing /home and then at the end use rsync again to sync-up the last bit that you changed while all that was going on. Just make sure you have a back-up of the crucial file jic you accidentally sync the wrong way around! Then the actual switch over to the new /home is very quick and if it doesn't work you can go back to the one that did work. Regards from Tom :) Hello Davis, Thank you for your suggestion. I also have my /home placed on a separate partition than / partition. However it's not related to this issue :D Best, Sina ;) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 23:30 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed Hi Sina You have supplied good info for LO, on your system, but I would like to point out a few issues I see why your system with LO could be slow. Your laptop was launched in May 2007 and discontinued a year later, so five to six year old technology, not completely fair to put the blame at a modern up to date LO's door for slow run times. You don't mention whether your Linux Mint with XFCE is 32bit or 64bit. If 32bit, then you are already hindered by only having 3.2GB of actual RAM available for everything you indicate you have running/open. This is a physical limit and only upgrading to a 64bit version of O/S, will it help you better to utilise your full 4 GB at least, and to upgrade to 6 or 8GB even better. And this RAM is old DDR 2 667MHZ type, quite slow compared to laptops with 1333MHZ and 1600MHZ DDR3. In the case of your laptop, when I last worked on that model of some of my clients, it was installed with a 4500RPM hard drive, the slowest spin speeds of any hard drive for battery endurance, but poorly for performance, are you sure of your speed. But even at 5400RPM it does not lend itself well to performance. Notebook drives have always lagged similiar capacity and spin speed desktop drives, due to the manufacturer focussing on battery endurance as a priority in most cases of general population consumption. Not all of us can afford the Alienware and like monsters, or VoodooPC ones either. But things are getting better hence in the last year maybe two, mechanical laptop drives have increased to 7200RPM, or gone solid state, to relieve the bottleneck, and in the case of SSD, total performance with very good battery life. I have a Toshiba midrange laptop i3, running Ubuntu 64bit and LO, about a year old now with an original 5400RPM 500GB mechanical HDD and only 2GB of RAM originally. A couple of months ago I upgraded it to a 256GB
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
Hi :) I tend to make / around 10-15Gb now for Ubuntu. 100Mb is about enough for a separate /boot partiiton but not enough for the / of most distros, especially not for the most bloated distro of all. I've found that even 8Gb gets in trouble quite quickly unless you are quite good at doing maintenance such as using the Janitor fairly often. You don't get much of a performance boost by having a separate /home unless that /home is on a physically separate drive but it does make he system more robust and safer to upgrade. Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 8:19 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed Ubuntu install is the same, if using the default install options it creates the swap partition (at least equal to installed RAM amount), and then then one partition for all. I change this and like many here, create the root / (100MB), and the balance of the drive capacity to /home, keeping my data separate. Regards Andrew Brown On 07/08/2013 07:53 AM, Doug wrote: On 08/07/2013 01:05 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you have your /home on a separate partition then it might be possible to install the 64bit version of Ubuntu without disturbing your 32 it version. I tend to use a 10-15Gb partition for / for Ubuntu. It doesn't really need all that much space but Ubuntu is about the most bloated distro at the moment. Having plenty of space makes it easier when installing programs. Regards from Tom :) I did that on PCLOS. It works well, altho a few apps that are strictly 32-bit will not run on the 64-bit installation.I lost Adobe Reader on the 64-bit os, because there is no 64-bit version of that s/w. I had to go find a 64-bit version of one or two other programs. But basically, it's a lot simpler than having to back up all your files to an external storage medium and then having to copy everything back to a completely new install. You will have to make a new blank partition on the drive, using gparted or something similar, and format it to ext4 and call it / Then when you install the 64-bit version, DO NOT format /home, only / (Your distro may or may not make it mandatory to reformat / during the install, even tho you formatted it already.) Be careful when you install the 64-bit os, so as to NOT make a new /home. Note that you probably already have a swap partition, so don't make another one. Any and all Linux os's on the disk can use the one swap. It has been quite a while since I did an Ubuntu install, so I can't be more specific. And I don't think I would try this with Korora-- its installation would drive a saint crazy! (Just to get it onto two partitions is maddening!) Good luck--doug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols
Hi :) One of the drop-downs sets the status as Feature Request so it probably does get filed slightly differently from a regular bug-report Regards from Tom :) From: RamonTavarez ramontava...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 11:06 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols Hi. I´ll report it there, but Isn´t it a bug´s reporting page? These feature don´t exist. It really isn´t a bug! Thanks. *Ramón E. Tavárez B.* On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Thomas Taylor [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4069165...@n3.nabble.com wrote: On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 13:26:43 -0700 (PDT) RamonTavarez [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4069165i=0 wrote: Hi. It would be a good enhacement include into MATH's docking window a section for greek letters and other mathematicals symbols. Just to simplify the edition's time on academics jobs. Regards. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069117.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. +1 Tomk -- A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others. Ayn Rand ^^ --... ...-- / -.- --. --... -.-. ..-. -.-. Tom Taylor - retired penguin - KG7CFC AMD Phenom II x4 955 -- 4GB RAM -- 2x1.5TB sata2 openSUSE 12.3-x86_64 KDE 4.10.00, FF 19.0, claws-mail 3.9.1 registered linux user 263467 -- If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069117p4069165.html To unsubscribe from Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols, click herehttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=4069117code=cmFtb250YXZhcmV6QGdtYWlsLmNvbXw0MDY5MTE3fDE2MzExMjYwMDk= . NAMLhttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069185.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
