Re: Compuware installs get an F

2007-05-21 Thread Robert Bardos
 
  Damn!  I wish JCL symbol substitution could be 
 performed in the body of instream UCLIN.
 
 Don't we all - symbolics in sysin (in general) that is, 
 not just the specific case you highlight.
 

Add to that a feature that most scheduler products have.
Something like 'substitute off'/'substitute on'.


Robert

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Re: How can I influence VTS device allocation

2007-05-21 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Duane,

No problem. If I really need a product to achieve what I want and this
means that in standard z/OS it is impossible, this is valuable
information.

Kees.

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EZASMI and LE

2007-05-21 Thread Nick Baguley
Is anyone aware of whether the EZASMI macro level interface uses LE at any 
stage? 

I am about to attempt to write code to allow for persistant connections 
across IMS transactions and LE enclave term/init. 

I dont particularly want to code it all only to find there is some C/C++/LE 
conf 
asm lurking somewhere that is trashed at enclave termination and I am left 
with an unusable socket 

TIA

Nick 
Applications Architect
ABSA CIO

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Re: VTAM question (***)

2007-05-21 Thread Lizette Koehler
I just thought if he needed more detailed help on how to you ISPVCALL or
ISPF TEST, it might clutter the list a bit too much.  I am more than happy
to keep the list updated on discussions.  

Lizette


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 Lizette
 
 Please remember that archives are kept for the list and that the list
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Symbol substitution (was: Compuware installs get an F)

2007-05-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 21 May 2007 08:08:35 +0200, Robert Bardos wrote:

 Don't we all - symbolics in sysin (in general) that is,
 not just the specific case you highlight.

Add to that a feature that most scheduler products have.
Something like 'substitute off'/'substitute on'.

I had assumed that in the DD statement that would be
necessary for compatibility, something such as:

//SYSIN  DD  DATA,SUBST={NO|YES}

I see little need for such a feature elsewhere in JCL.

Otherwise, I wish there were stricter error checking in
JCL.  I'd prefer that when I refer to an undefined symbol,
the parser would report a JCL error rather than quietly
leaving the name unsubstituted, perhaps using a temporary
data set name as a result.

-- gil

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Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL

2007-05-21 Thread Jim McAlpine

OK, I've now got the batch ISPF set up and working and the program now looks
like this -

CBL DYNAM
IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
PROGRAM-ID. CCSID.
ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.
CONFIGURATION SECTION.
DATA DIVISION.
WORKING-STORAGE SECTION.
01  ISPLINK  PIC X(8)  VALUE 'ISPLINK '.
01  TCCSID   PIC X(5).
01  LCCSID   PIC S9(8) COMP VALUE 5.
01  VDEFINE  PIC X(8)  VALUE 'VDEFINE '.
01  ZTERMCID PIC X(8)  VALUE 'ZTERMCID'.
01  CHAR PIC X(4)  VALUE 'CHAR'.
01  VGET PIC X(8)  VALUE 'VGET'.
01  SHARED   PIC X(8)  VALUE 'SHARED  '.
PROCEDURE DIVISION.
CALL ISPLINK USING
 VDEFINE ZTERMCID TCCSID CHAR LCCSID.
DISPLAY RETURN-CODE UPON SYSOUT.
CALL ISPLINK USING
 VGET ZTERMCID SHARED.
DISPLAY RETURN-CODE UPON SYSOUT.
DISPLAY TCCSID UPON SYSOUT
GOBACK.

I'm now getting rc=0 from the VDEFINE but the VGET returns rc=8 - variable
not found.

Jim McAlpine



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Jim,

You need to change ZTERMCID to this:

01  ZTERMCID PIC X(8)  VALUE 'ZTERMCID'.

It's not what's causing the RC=20, but without the above change the return
code from the VGET will be 8.

Hope that helps,

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Re: Synchronize Time Between Mainframe and Servers?

2007-05-21 Thread Thompson, Steve
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Subject: Re: Synchronize Time Between Mainframe and Servers?

As usually in mainframe world, we have a lot of proofs that mainframe is
better, we can provide citations from ESA/390 Holy Principles, we can
answer that we have ntp server...
But the only honest answer to the question is NO, unfortunately we are
not able to synchronize with atomic clock, like other devices in our
server room. Mainframe *can't do it*. We can only use wrist watch as a
time source and then rely on mainframe internal clock.
Of course, after the confession we can go back to our Principles, talk
about our availability, hint that the rest of the world should
synchronize with our CPC...


--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland


P.S. I would like to hear that I'm wrong. Preferrably with details - how

to synchronize the mainframe with ntp server or atomic clock.
Preferrably without 9037 Timers, which are expensive and EOM (End Of 
Market).

snip

First, I was answering the original question as the poster asked it,
with the understanding that they did NOT have an ETR (v1 or v2).

As late as 2003 I had a problem with a client who migrated off VSE to
z/OS, and then tried to migrate off the mainframe to other platforms.
The need for time sync was demonstrable (DR purposes was secondary!),
and we could not seem to get management of the company to recognize the
issues (they bought the idea that NTP was sufficient). The technical
people handling the non-mainframe platforms did understand, and the DBAs
(non-mainframe) recognized that time sync using the mainframe would be
much more reliable than what they were trying to do (even with that
installation using an operator's view of a clock pending the strike of
the enter key). So sometimes what you have is a purely political
issue.

Second, you most certainly can use an external time source to set the
mainframe (either via Unix System Services  TCP/IP, or through the HMC
-- neither of which I have personal experience doing). The question is,
since the time source you will attempt to sync to (absent an ETR
connected to a GPS/UTC time source) is NOT sufficiently accurate to
avoid ambiguities in TOD processing -- why would you desire to use NTP
to set the mainframe, as opposed to letting the mainframe be your NTP
source? This was my reason for pointing out, from the PoOP, that the TOD
cycles bit 51 at the micro-second rate, giving a very small drift
(baring a bad power source as someone else pointed out -- but that kind
of issue should cause the system to crash because of, shall we call them
timer-checks?) compared to Intel Architecture based clocks, which seem
to suffer significant drift problems (I have personal experience in this
case using Tardis to keep a LAN synchronized and looking at the drift
report on the NT server was SCARY - 2-10 seconds in a day, and other
LANs with other software/hardware with similar issues).

The current thing coming from IBM (which I greatly appreciate and can't
wait until we take delivery on the new hardware to use it) is STP. But
not having ANY experience with it yet, I can't truly speak to it. 

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL

2007-05-21 Thread Kurt Gramling
Like I said before, the ZTERMCID value should be TCCSID.



OK, I've now got the batch ISPF set up and working and the program now
looks
like this -

 CBL DYNAM
 IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
 PROGRAM-ID. CCSID.
 ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.
 CONFIGURATION SECTION.
 DATA DIVISION.
 WORKING-STORAGE SECTION.
 01  ISPLINK  PIC X(8)  VALUE 'ISPLINK '.
 01  TCCSID   PIC X(5).
 01  LCCSID   PIC S9(8) COMP VALUE 5.
 01  VDEFINE  PIC X(8)  VALUE 'VDEFINE '.
 01  ZTERMCID PIC X(8)  VALUE 'ZTERMCID'.
 01  CHAR PIC X(4)  VALUE 'CHAR'.
 01  VGET PIC X(8)  VALUE 'VGET'.
 01  SHARED   PIC X(8)  VALUE 'SHARED  '.
 PROCEDURE DIVISION.
 CALL ISPLINK USING
  VDEFINE ZTERMCID TCCSID CHAR LCCSID.
 DISPLAY RETURN-CODE UPON SYSOUT.
 CALL ISPLINK USING
  VGET ZTERMCID SHARED.
 DISPLAY RETURN-CODE UPON SYSOUT.
 DISPLAY TCCSID UPON SYSOUT
 GOBACK.

I'm now getting rc=0 from the VDEFINE but the VGET returns rc=8 - variable
not found.

Jim McAlpine

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Re: Technical Support magazine

2007-05-21 Thread Ken Porowski
Try http://www.naspa.com/tsm0207a

You may have to log in to see some of the content

Check the bottom on the webpage  

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On Sat, 19 May 2007 19:53:48 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 http://www.naspa.net/

Except that going to .net and clicking on NaSPA sends you to naspa.com,

where (under Netscape) I get a fatal error: Call to undefined function 
user_access() in
C:\www_hosts\naspa5
\sites\all\modules\browser_support\browser_support.module
on line 155

Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT


You could try the other link the web page:

In September of 2000 NetStream and NASPA merged under the company
umbrella of Technical Enterprises. You now have the best of both worlds.
http://www.techenterprises.net/

It seems you are dead set on reaching something that may not exist.

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Re: Technical Support magazine

2007-05-21 Thread Jeffrey Deaver
I agree, the website it extremely difficult to navigate.  When did they
change it from the classic 'red' web pages.

I found the pubs at the following URLs once I was logged on...

http://www.technicalsupport-digital.com/technicalsupport/200704/
http://www.technicalsupport-digital.com/technicalsupport/200703/

etc...

Once in their magazine navigator, the archive button gets you links to the
other electronic copies.

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Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL

2007-05-21 Thread Gary Green
Jim,

I know I am late to this party, so forgive me if I mention something that has 
been mentioned already or not related to the original question.

But, it looks like you want ISPF-Cobol. If so, have you looked at using 
ISPF's built-in MODEL's? If not, they provide a great jumping off point to get 
something started.




 On Lun May 21 14:51 , Jim McAlpine [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

OK, I've now got the batch ISPF set up and working and the program now looks
like this -

 CBL DYNAM
 IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
 PROGRAM-ID. CCSID.
 ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.
 CONFIGURATION SECTION.
 DATA DIVISION.
 WORKING-STORAGE SECTION.
 01  ISPLINK  PIC X(8)  VALUE 'ISPLINK '.
 01  TCCSID   PIC X(5).
 01  LCCSID   PIC S9(8) COMP VALUE 5.
 01  VDEFINE  PIC X(8)  VALUE 'VDEFINE '.
 01  ZTERMCID PIC X(8)  VALUE 'ZTERMCID'.
 01  CHAR PIC X(4)  VALUE 'CHAR'.
 01  VGET PIC X(8)  VALUE 'VGET'.
 01  SHARED   PIC X(8)  VALUE 'SHARED  '.
 PROCEDURE DIVISION.
 CALL ISPLINK USING
  VDEFINE ZTERMCID TCCSID CHAR LCCSID.
 DISPLAY RETURN-CODE UPON SYSOUT.
 CALL ISPLINK USING
  VGET ZTERMCID SHARED.
 DISPLAY RETURN-CODE UPON SYSOUT.
 DISPLAY TCCSID UPON SYSOUT
 GOBACK.

I'm now getting rc=0 from the VDEFINE but the VGET returns rc=8 - variable
not found.

Jim McAlpine



On 5/18/07, Dave Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jim,

 You need to change ZTERMCID to this:

 01  ZTERMCID PIC X(8)  VALUE 'ZTERMCID'.

 It's not what's causing the RC=20, but without the above change the return
 code from the VGET will be 8.

 Hope that helps,

 Dave Salt

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Re: VTAM question (***)

2007-05-21 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 5/21/2007 7:02:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

just  thought if he needed more detailed help on how to you ISPVCALL or
ISPF  TEST, it might clutter the list a bit too much.  I am more than  happy
to keep the list updated on discussions.   




That's the spirit. Guess what I'd do is reassemble the LOGMODEs and USSTABs  
or copy them to new names. Check with the emulator vendor if there are fixes 
for  z/OS level, then if were still occurring I'd go with the traces and  
breakpoints.



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Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL

2007-05-21 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 5/21/2007 9:23:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I know I  am late to this party, so forgive me if I mention something that 
has been  mentioned already or not related to the original  question.





Yeah he's in the debugging phase now. Guess the place to start  is Dialog 
test and see where the crumbs fall. There used to an ISPF/PDF Samples  but 
can't 
find it in the online docs. Even had a sample order entry application  coded 
in PL/1, COB, ASM for illustrative purposes.



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Re: Technical Support magazine

2007-05-21 Thread Steve Comstock

Jeffrey Deaver wrote:

I agree, the website it extremely difficult to navigate.  When did they
change it from the classic 'red' web pages.

I found the pubs at the following URLs once I was logged on...

http://www.technicalsupport-digital.com/technicalsupport/200704/
http://www.technicalsupport-digital.com/technicalsupport/200703/

etc...

Once in their magazine navigator, the archive button gets you links to the
other electronic copies.

Jeffrey Deaver, Engineer
Systems Engineering
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
651-665-4231(v)
651-610-7670(p)


I'm not able to get in via any of the links. For
http://www.naspa.com/tsm0207a I get:
Fatal error: Call to undefined function user_access() in 
C:\www_hosts\naspa5\sites\all\modules\browser_support\browser_support.module 
on line 155


for
http://www.naspa.com/00articlesbysubject.htm I get
Page not found

for
http://www.technicalsupport-digital.com/technicalsupport/200704/ I get
redirected to
http://www.naspa.com/join which shows up as
Fatal error: Call to undefined function user_access() in 
C:\www_hosts\naspa5\sites\all\modules\browser_support\browser_support.module 
on line 155


Fun stuff.


Kind regards,

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303-393-8716
http://www.trainersfriend.com

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* Our classes include
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Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL

2007-05-21 Thread Jim McAlpine

Kurt, I've changed that value but I'm still getting the same errors.
The VDEFINE gets rc=0 but the VGET returns rc=8.

Jim McAlpine


On 5/21/07, Kurt Gramling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Like I said before, the ZTERMCID value should be TCCSID.






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Re: Technical Support magazine

2007-05-21 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Steve Comstock
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:32 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Technical Support magazine
SNIP

I'm not able to get in via any of the links. For
http://www.naspa.com/tsm0207a I get:
Fatal error: Call to undefined function user_access() in
C:\www_hosts\naspa5\sites\all\modules\browser_support\browser_support.mo
dule
on line 155

for
http://www.naspa.com/00articlesbysubject.htm I get Page not found

for
http://www.technicalsupport-digital.com/technicalsupport/200704/ I get
redirected to http://www.naspa.com/join which shows up as Fatal error:
Call to undefined function user_access() in
C:\www_hosts\naspa5\sites\all\modules\browser_support\browser_support.mo
dule
on line 155

SNIP

You using Firefox, IE or what? I ask because I use Firefox and I have
found various sites that have some kind of affinity to IE. And some
sites just do not work right when I access them from my Linux laptop,
but if I reboot to W2K they work just fine.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: Technical Support magazine

2007-05-21 Thread Jim McAlpine

It's intermittent from where I am.

Jim McAlpine


On 5/21/07, Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I'm not able to get in via any of the links. For
http://www.naspa.com/tsm0207a I get:
Fatal error: Call to undefined function user_access() in

C:\www_hosts\naspa5\sites\all\modules\browser_support\browser_support.module
on line 155

for
http://www.naspa.com/00articlesbysubject.htm I get
Page not found

for
http://www.technicalsupport-digital.com/technicalsupport/200704/ I get
redirected to
http://www.naspa.com/join which shows up as
Fatal error: Call to undefined function user_access() in

C:\www_hosts\naspa5\sites\all\modules\browser_support\browser_support.module
on line 155

Fun stuff.


Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock
The Trainer's Friend, Inc.

303-393-8716
http://www.trainersfriend.com

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* Our classes include
   + How things work
   + Programming examples with realistic applications
   + Starter / skeleton code
   + Complete working programs
   + Useful utilities and subroutines
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Re: VTAM question (***)

2007-05-21 Thread Chris Mason

Ed

I'd be amazed - quite utterly astounded - at this stage in its existence if 
VTAM was causing problems with changes in mode table (LOGMODE) internal 
format. I very, very much doubt that could be in any way anything to do with 
the reported effect.


In any case, Debbie may be using the IBM-supplied mode table ISTINCLM - even 
if the MODETAB operand is present but the selected mode table entry comes 
from ISTINCLM.


Since we are talking about an effect happening deep within the SNA session 
and the  Unformatted System Services table (USSTAB) is customization applied 
to the session between the secondary LU and the SSCP (VTAM), I just cannot 
see any sense whatsoever in paying any attention to that table even if there 
was a possibility of a change in internal format - which I also thoroughly 
doubt.


I'm going to have to enrol you into the grape-shot school of problem 
resolution. g


I can't say I'd ever performed this sort of research but isn't the need to 
regenerate - including reassembly - customized tables one of the sorts of 
issues covered by the documentation a systems programmer goes through when 
planning a new release?


In fact the traces it might be useful to collect - if it's still possible - 
are the NetView Session Monitor (NLDM) complete PIU (CPIU) primary traces 
over the period in the session which demonstrates the change - both at the 
V1R4 and V1R7 levels. That would be a clear starting point from which to 
consider further tracing within the TSO component - perhaps such as you are 
suggesting.


Actually I'm having a bit of a problem working out about what spirit you 
may be talking.


Chris Mason

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Subject: Re: VTAM question (***)




In a message dated 5/21/2007 7:02:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

just  thought if he needed more detailed help on how to you ISPVCALL or
ISPF  TEST, it might clutter the list a bit too much.  I am more than 
happy

to keep the list updated on discussions.





That's the spirit. Guess what I'd do is reassemble the LOGMODEs and 
USSTABs
or copy them to new names. Check with the emulator vendor if there are 
fixes

for  z/OS level, then if were still occurring I'd go with the traces and
breakpoints. 


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Re: Alias

2007-05-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
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   at 11:55 AM, Bruce Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

The IBM utility IEBUPDTE says it can assign aliases in a PDS or PDSE
but they don't provide any examples.

You can't use IEBUPDTE to update a load module.
 
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Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL

2007-05-21 Thread Jim McAlpine

I've changed that back to a value of ZTERMCID and it's now returning rc=0
for both calls.  I was sure I had tried that before at Dave Salts'
suggestion, but maybe not.  Now I just need to find out why the ccsid is
blank.

Thanks for all your help.

Jim McAlpine


On 5/21/07, Kurt Gramling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


RC=8 is variable not found.




Kurt, I've changed that value but I'm still getting the same errors.
The VDEFINE gets rc=0 but the VGET returns rc=8.

Jim McAlpine


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 Like I said before, the ZTERMCID value should be TCCSID.





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Re: Technical Support magazine

2007-05-21 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I just talked to my friend Scott Scherer, who used to run Naspa, and now 
just works there.  He was glad to know about the difficulties.  They just 
went from a format of having a monthly magazine, to putting the articles on 
their site as soon as they were written.  He assured me that someone will be 
looking into this, and that someone from Naspa should be posting to the list 
in the next hour or so to clear things up.


Eric Bielefeld
Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434

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I agree, the website it extremely difficult to navigate.  When did they
change it from the classic 'red' web pages.

I found the pubs at the following URLs once I was logged on...

http://www.technicalsupport-digital.com/technicalsupport/200704/
http://www.technicalsupport-digital.com/technicalsupport/200703/

etc...

Once in their magazine navigator, the archive button gets you links to the
other electronic copies.

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Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL

2007-05-21 Thread McKown, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim McAlpine
 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 10:20 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL
 
 
 I've changed that back to a value of ZTERMCID and it's now 
 returning rc=0
 for both calls.  I was sure I had tried that before at Dave Salts'
 suggestion, but maybe not.  Now I just need to find out why 
 the ccsid is
 blank.
 
 Thanks for all your help.
 
 Jim McAlpine

From the book:

quote
CCSID coded character set identifier of the terminal. Set by
ISPF based on the code page and character set of the terminal.
If the terminal code page and character set cannot be queried
or if they are not supported by ISPF, this variable will be
blank.
/quote


Perhaps your TN3270E emulator does not support querying of the CCSID.
Another possibility is that you are not using a queriable VTAM
logmode. 

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Re: Is there a way to Remove BOOK from PF6 in SDSF?

2007-05-21 Thread Alan Scott
Tom,
  I would whole heatedly agree with you, except in this case. An ISPF table 
that has been modified to suite the personel needs of the site is only valid as 
long as its based upon the current itteration of the module. Were this table to 
be updated via maintenance (little chance) then the usermoded copy would 
not longer have any integrity. The only option at that point would be to 
remake that ISPF table from the current delivered copy. (i.e. Your version that 
you applied via usermod may not contain a variable that the new one, 
delivered via maintenance, now contains)

  Using a usermod would however raise a flag to whoever was doing 
maintenance that some modification had been made to this module, were that 
person not the one who made the original update they may be inclined to just 
re-apply the usermod.

   If you were going to do something like this with a usermod, you would not 
want to keep the modified version of the ISPF table around where it could be 
re-applied. 

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Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL

2007-05-21 Thread Jim McAlpine

We only use logmodes D4C32XX3 and those beginning SNX3270* all of which have
the query bit set so I'm now presuming its is an emulator issue.

Thanks

Jim McAlpine



On 5/21/07, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



From the book:

quote
CCSID coded character set identifier of the terminal. Set by
ISPF based on the code page and character set of the terminal.
If the terminal code page and character set cannot be queried
or if they are not supported by ISPF, this variable will be
blank.
/quote


Perhaps your TN3270E emulator does not support querying of the CCSID.
Another possibility is that you are not using a queriable VTAM
logmode.

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Re: Synchronize Time Between Mainframe and Servers?

2007-05-21 Thread Miller, Pat
Thanks to all who have commented.  It's been an education.  SNTPD started task. 
 Seems simple enough.  Howsomever, neither the IP Config guide nor Reference 
tells you much more than the name of the procedure, where to find the sample, 
and what it does.  I.e., neither tells you how it works or any setup you have 
to provide in order for it to key off an ETR.  

Surely I have to at least point something to the ETR and/or provide some 
authentication?


 -Original Message-
From:   IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On Behalf Of 
Field, Alan C.
Sent:   Friday, May 18, 2007 4:06 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject:Re: Synchronize Time Between Mainframe and Servers?

Pat,

You don't need a Sysplex timer to do this. 

The sysplex timer ensures the mainframe(s)have a consistent time. With
or without a timer you can run an SNTP task on the mainframe (its part
of TCP/IP since about z/OS 1.6), otherwise look for Keith Clapp's
excellent SNTP product. 

Have your enterprise query the SNTP on the mainframe and set their
clocks off that for a consistent timestamp across your organization.


  

Developers are asking me if we can do this to prevent anomalies between
timestamps across platforms.  In case it's an issue, no, I don't have a
sysplex or timer.

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calling ISPLINK from COBOL

2007-05-21 Thread Lynd, Eugene (Contractor) (J6C)
I'm trying to convert the following
 pseudo code to run under COBOL

01  CHAR PIC X(4)  VALUE 'CHAR'.

is incorrect.  When you define a character value
with a length less than 8 you need a trailing blank:

01  CHAR PIC X(5)  VALUE 'CHAR '.

Gene Lynd


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Re: Synchronize Time Between Mainframe and Servers?

2007-05-21 Thread Field, Alan C.
Pat,

It is that simple. My guess is that SNTPD task queries the time in the
processor clock (think TIME or STCK macro) and I presume formats the
result in an appropriate NTP format and makes it available on the
appropriate port (123?) to all requesters.

If you have an ETR AND you set and correct it using an external source
(like NIST) then you will be able to provide accurate time to your
organization.

If you set the mainframe clock with the operator's wristwatch then you
might not have accurate time but you will have consistent timestamps
across all platforms which is what you are requesting i.e. no more
transactions completing on one platform before they have begun on
another. 

Alan
   

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Miller, Pat

Thanks to all who have commented.  It's been an education.  SNTPD
started task.  Seems simple enough.  Howsomever, neither the IP Config
guide nor Reference tells you much more than the name of the procedure,
where to find the sample, and what it does.  I.e., neither tells you how
it works or any setup you have to provide in order for it to key off an
ETR.  

Surely I have to at least point something to the ETR and/or provide some
authentication?


Pat,

You don't need a Sysplex timer to do this. 

The sysplex timer ensures the mainframe(s)have a consistent time. With
or without a timer you can run an SNTP task on the mainframe (its part
of TCP/IP since about z/OS 1.6), otherwise look for Keith Clapp's
excellent SNTP product. 

Have your enterprise query the SNTP on the mainframe and set their
clocks off that for a consistent timestamp across your organization.


  

Developers are asking me if we can do this to prevent anomalies between
timestamps across platforms.  In case it's an issue, no, I don't have a
sysplex or timer.

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Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL

2007-05-21 Thread John P Kalinich
Jim McAlpine of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
wrote on 05/21/2007 08:51:56 AM:

 OK, I've now got the batch ISPF set up and working and the program now
looks
 like this -

  CBL DYNAM
  IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
  PROGRAM-ID. CCSID.
  ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.
  CONFIGURATION SECTION.
  DATA DIVISION.
  WORKING-STORAGE SECTION.
  01  ISPLINK  PIC X(8)  VALUE 'ISPLINK '.
  01  TCCSID   PIC X(5).
  01  LCCSID   PIC S9(8) COMP VALUE 5.
  01  VDEFINE  PIC X(8)  VALUE 'VDEFINE '.
  01  ZTERMCID PIC X(8)  VALUE 'ZTERMCID'.
  01  CHAR PIC X(4)  VALUE 'CHAR'.
  01  VGET PIC X(8)  VALUE 'VGET'.
  01  SHARED   PIC X(8)  VALUE 'SHARED  '.
  PROCEDURE DIVISION.
  CALL ISPLINK USING
   VDEFINE ZTERMCID TCCSID CHAR LCCSID.
  DISPLAY RETURN-CODE UPON SYSOUT.
  CALL ISPLINK USING
   VGET ZTERMCID SHARED.
  DISPLAY RETURN-CODE UPON SYSOUT.
  DISPLAY TCCSID UPON SYSOUT
  GOBACK.

 I'm now getting rc=0 from the VDEFINE but the VGET returns rc=8 -
variable
 not found.


I can compile and execute the above program in ISPF with no modifications.

start pgm(ccsid)


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Re: VTAM question (***)

2007-05-21 Thread Debbie Mitchell
On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:11:41 +0200, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I can't say I'd ever performed this sort of research but isn't the need to
regenerate - including reassembly - customized tables one of the sorts of
issues covered by the documentation a systems programmer goes through when
planning a new release?


As it turns out, the version of ISTINCLM in use here is not IBM's default. 
It was customized long before my tenure here and not documented.  I will
need to do some checking with other people here to see what they remember
about the reason it was customized as well as what changes were made.  Since
no one is really complaining (at least not very loudly) about it, it won't
be a priority.  And, since posting my original question, I have noticed that
the behavior is not consistent -- which leads me to believe that it is,
indeed, related to changing screen sizes.

Thank you all for your help.

Debbie Mitchell
Utica National Insurance Group 

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Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL

2007-05-21 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 5/21/2007 12:18:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

can  compile and execute the above program in ISPF with no  modifications.




Out of curiosity, which Emulator and Logmode are you  running?



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Re: 3350 failures

2007-05-21 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 5/17/2007 3:30:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

On Thu, 17 May 2007 15:01:48 -0400, William Donzelli  wrote:
I have a lead on a few 3350s - obsolete, but that is the point  

What point its that?  By today's standards they are very  slow.  And at 635 
MB 
per unit, you can get the capacity of several  strings for a couple of 
hundred 
dollars and carry it in your  pocket.
 
 Does anyone still service 3350s?
 
Yes, they were kludgy way back then and absurd now, but it seems he wants  to 
get one or more working and attached to a mainframe for reason(s) he has  not 
divulged.  Even though their 635MB can be replaced by a more modern  device 
that fits in your pocket, I don't think the pocket devices attach very  well to 
a mainframe.  Maybe his mainframe is just as obsolete as his  3350s.  And he 
will also need a control unit (also obsolete?) to drive  them.  Good luck.
 
Bill  Fairchild
Plainfield,  IL






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Re: VTAM question (***)

2007-05-21 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 5/21/2007 12:20:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

be a  priority.  And, since posting my original question, I have noticed  that
the behavior is not consistent -- which leads me to believe that it  is,
indeed, related to changing screen sizes.




If you want to play around with the LOGMODES can do LOGON APPLID(majnode)  
LOGMOD(D4C32XXC) or one that hasn't been modified.



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Re: Synchronize Time Between Mainframe and Servers?

2007-05-21 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Fri, 18 May 2007 18:19:20 -0400, Thompson, Steve wrote:

But then, my experience with TOD drift against a known standard has been
rather remarkable. Quite seriously, it has been only a few seconds over
a year's period of time.


Our old z800 would drift a few seconds every month. I haven't had the 
opportunity to observe the accuracy of the z9 clocks. But the 9037-002 is 
going obsolete soon, so I'm going to have to address this again.

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Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL

2007-05-21 Thread Howard Brazee
On 21 May 2007 10:00:21 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lynd,
Eugene   , Contractor, J6C) wrote:

01  CHAR PIC X(4)  VALUE 'CHAR'.

is incorrect.  When you define a character value
with a length less than 8 you need a trailing blank:

01  CHAR PIC X(5)  VALUE 'CHAR '.

Gene Lynd

Why does he need that?

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Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL

2007-05-21 Thread John P Kalinich
Ed Finnell of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
wrote on 05/21/2007 12:25:02 PM:

 In a message dated 5/21/2007 12:18:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 can  compile and execute the above program in ISPF with no
modifications.

 
 Out of curiosity, which Emulator and Logmode are you  running?


Emulator:  Vista tn3270 1.6.
Logmodes:  SNX32702, SNX32705, and D4C32XX3.

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Re: 3350 failures

2007-05-21 Thread Craddock, Chris
Bill Fairchild writes
 Yes, they were kludgy way back then and absurd now, but it seems he
wants
 to
 get one or more working and attached to a mainframe for reason(s) he
has
 not
 divulged.  Even though their 635MB can be replaced by a more modern
 device
 that fits in your pocket, I don't think the pocket devices attach very
 well to
 a mainframe.  Maybe his mainframe is just as obsolete as his  3350s.
And
 he
 will also need a control unit (also obsolete?) to drive  them.  Good
luck.

I think the original poster was looking for old hardware in the context
of a museum display - which would make sense. Nobody in their right mind
would actually want to run any of that old equipment for real. It's far
too bulky for an in-home installation and the power requirements are
well beyond what you would expect a hobbyist to tackle.

FWIW my recollection of 3350s is that they were a huge improvement over
the '30s and they were originally problematic. IBM had more or less got
them working well by the time the '80s were released. Both '50s and '80s
had problems with seals and with oil droplets smacking into heads at
high speed.

CC

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Vista Tn3270 (was: Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL)

2007-05-21 Thread McKown, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John P Kalinich
 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:59 PM
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 Subject: Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL
 
snip
 
 Emulator:  Vista tn3270 1.6.
 Logmodes:  SNX32702, SNX32705, and D4C32XX3.
 

Hum, I wonder how long before Tom Brennan Software is sued by Microsoft
over the name Vista as causing confusion in the market place? And, if
he resists, I wonder how long it will be before MS creates an inferior,
but free, TN3270 emulator bundled into Windows (ref: Netscape).

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Re: 3350 failures

2007-05-21 Thread William Donzelli

Yes, they were kludgy way back then and absurd now, but it seems he wants  to
get one or more working and attached to a mainframe for reason(s) he has  not
divulged.


There is no secret to why I want 3350s - it is to save, assemble, and
restore old mainframe systems. There are a small number of us that
lurk on this list (I am the most vocal, by far) that see these old
machines and programs as important bits of history, similar to the
reason there are others interested in old cars, planes, trains, and so
forth. This list can be a great resource for information because of a
few regular posters (thank you, guys), and once in a great while a
lead will form to save some interesting bit of hardware or software
destined for the scrap heap.


Maybe his mainframe is just as obsolete as his  3350s.


Yes, that is the point. Unfortunately, vintage processors disappeared
more completely than the other goodies, like the DASDs. However, with
everything so scarce, it make sense to grab whatever comes up and
worry about other important things later.


And he
will also need a control unit (also obsolete?) to drive  them.  Good luck.


Will a 3880 with proper microcode control 3350s?

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Re: How can I influence VTS device allocation

2007-05-21 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Fri, 18 May 2007 07:31:02 -0500, Bruno Sugliani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2007 14:05:23 +0200, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello list,
We have a TS7700 VTS in a grid Configuration, which consists of 2 TS7700
clusters each with its own tapeunits, coupled together as one VTS with
two distributed libraries as seen by SMS. Since it is one VTS to SMS,
SMS will select a random tapeunit from the total pool of devices.
Normally this is no problem.
However, if I want tot read statistics from each cluster's library
manager, I must address a device from that specific cluster. Since SMS
considers it one VTS, I have not been able to force my allocation to an
address of the desired cluster. I tried a unitaddress, created generics
for each cluster and used them, but no success.
Cluster 0 has devices 0600-06FF, cluster 1 has devices 0700-07FF. How
can I force an allocation to a device of the desired cluster?


Exactly the same here .
We faced the same problem , I'll ask if my colleague found a way , she was
working on it
Bruno
Bruno(dot)sugliani(at)groupemornay(dot)asso(dot)fr
Hi , yes she did :-))
My colleague is a lady who does not give away easily and she did this  :
The job allocates datasets on a logical volume as follows
She created 2 management class on the Library Manager called MCVIRA and MCVIRB
VIRA is for Distlib 0 and VIRB is for distlib 1
( these are Nocopy )
in the  job she allocates 2 datasets  called XYZ.VIRA and XYZ.VIRB
In the ACS routines she has a filtlist on the LLQ
according to the LLQ she set  either MCBVIRA or MCBVIRB
She handles the storage class in the same way and she ends up with one
dataset on each side and gets her statistics  for each machine 
Bruno
Bruno(dot)sugliani(at)groupemornay(dot)asso(dot)fr
 

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Re: Synchronize Time Between Mainframe and Servers?

2007-05-21 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Sat, 19 May 2007 17:02:52 +0200, R.S. wrote:


1. I don't know whether STP solution can use 'atomic clock' as a time
reference. AFAIK, it was asked on the list, but noone answered.
2. (**) Two sysplex timers are required, because of redundancy. AFAIK if
you loose ETR (sysplex timer or timer connection), then all your systems
will end with wait state.


We only have one timer. We only use it to keep the clocks relatively close to 
reality and to keep them consistent across the enterprise.

Also, if you lose the timer, you can recover and run without it. It takes a few 
seconds for error recovery and to present the option on the console. By this 
time, most of our communication sessions time out, so we've got some work to 
do to get everything reconnected. But batch JOBs continue to run and 
everything else runs just fine too once you restart all your VTAM applications 
and such.

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Re: Vista Tn3270 (was: Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL)

2007-05-21 Thread Howard Brazee
On 21 May 2007 11:02:36 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKown, John)
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 Emulator:  Vista tn3270 1.6.
 Logmodes:  SNX32702, SNX32705, and D4C32XX3.
 

Hum, I wonder how long before Tom Brennan Software is sued by Microsoft
over the name Vista as causing confusion in the market place? And, if
he resists, I wonder how long it will be before MS creates an inferior,
but free, TN3270 emulator bundled into Windows (ref: Netscape).

It would probably be cheaper to just threaten to do this, and then buy
the name or even the company.

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Re: Vista Tn3270 (was: Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL)

2007-05-21 Thread Lionel B Dyck
Hum, I wonder how long before Tom Brennan Software is sued by Microsoft
over the name Vista as causing confusion in the market place?

Tom's product has history as it was there long before Vista was even 
imagined (not that that will stop M$ from attempting something if they 
decided to)

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Re: 3350 failures

2007-05-21 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
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Will a 3880 with proper microcode control 3350s?
 
Yes.
 
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Re: VTAM question (***)

2007-05-21 Thread Neubert, Kevin (DIS)
Going from z/OS 1.6 to 1.8 I have noticed similar behavior.  Is it more
pronounced on terminals such as Mod 3 (32X80) versus Mod 5 (27X132)?  If
you use IPT I found some relief with OA20772.  Otherwise I opened TSO
and ISPF ETRs to no avail and still have a VTAM ETR outstanding.

Regards,

Kevin

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On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:11:41 +0200, Chris Mason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I can't say I'd ever performed this sort of research but isn't the need
to
regenerate - including reassembly - customized tables one of the sorts
of
issues covered by the documentation a systems programmer goes through
when
planning a new release?


As it turns out, the version of ISTINCLM in use here is not IBM's
default. 
It was customized long before my tenure here and not documented.  I will
need to do some checking with other people here to see what they
remember
about the reason it was customized as well as what changes were made.
Since
no one is really complaining (at least not very loudly) about it, it
won't
be a priority.  And, since posting my original question, I have noticed
that
the behavior is not consistent -- which leads me to believe that it is,
indeed, related to changing screen sizes.

Thank you all for your help.

Debbie Mitchell
Utica National Insurance Group 

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Re: 3350 failures

2007-05-21 Thread Patrick . Falcone
IBM 3880 - 1 or 2 (IBM DASD and Control Units Facts Folder G520-3075-2)




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Re: 3350 failures

2007-05-21 Thread William Donzelli

IBM 3880 - 1 or 2 (IBM DASD and Control Units Facts Folder G520-3075-2)


OK, thanks.

I need to find a 3880 anyway, so now this doubles the reason.

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Internet Orders

2007-05-21 Thread Chicklon, Tom
Has anyone had any luck the last few days with electronic orders from IBM?

 

SMPE receive order times out after two hours for me both today and last
Friday. I also have a product order that shows the internet delivery portion
still in 'manufacturing'. I think the physical media, shipped Friday, will
beat the electronic download!

 

Tom Chicklon 
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Re: How can I influence VTS device allocation

2007-05-21 Thread Bruce Black

Sorry to put in a plug for a vendor product
duane, my policy is to never make an unsoliited reference to an 
Innovation product, but when we have one that directly addresses a 
problem or need expressed by a poster, I feel free to mention our 
products.  No one seems to have a problem with this.


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Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL

2007-05-21 Thread Jim
If I'm not mistaken, you probably should not be VDEFINING that variable at 
all - it already exists in the profile pool.  You need to VGET it from the 
profile pool - I think your code was getting it from the shared pool.


Jim Harrison

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I've changed that back to a value of ZTERMCID and it's now returning rc=0
for both calls.  I was sure I had tried that before at Dave Salts'
suggestion, but maybe not.  Now I just need to find out why the ccsid is
blank.

Thanks for all your help.

Jim McAlpine


On 5/21/07, Kurt Gramling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


RC=8 is variable not found.




Kurt, I've changed that value but I'm still getting the same errors.
The VDEFINE gets rc=0 but the VGET returns rc=8.

Jim McAlpine


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 Like I said before, the ZTERMCID value should be TCCSID.





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Re: How can I influence VTS device allocation

2007-05-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 21 May 2007 14:51:03 -0400, Bruce Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sorry to put in a plug for a vendor product
duane, my policy is to never make an unsoliited reference to an
Innovation product, but when we have one that directly addresses a
problem or need expressed by a poster, I feel free to mention our
products.  No one seems to have a problem with this.


No problem.  And I'd personally rather see the (IMO legitimate) response 
here than have a bunch of vendors call me or send me emails when I didn't 
specifically ask to be contacted.  I also don't like it when they call or
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emails after I post about something my shop does that they feel could be done 
better with their product.  But I guess they are just trying to make a living
so I try to be a little tolerant.  :-)

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Re: Old RAMAC 2 still viable?

2007-05-21 Thread Bruce Black
Part of the problem was that neither CVOL nor VSAM catalogs could record 
dates beyond 1999 (2 digit date field)


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TN3270 emulator on Linux.

2007-05-21 Thread McKown, John
I run Linux at home, not Windows. I use a VPN to get into work. In the
past, I've used x3270 to do 3270 type work. I recently got Crossover
Linux which can run __some__ MS Windows application under Linux. Just
for fun, I tried an old version of QWS3270 that I purchased from
JollyGiant software on it. It worked very well. I was just wondering if
anybody else out there use Linux as their desktop with Crossover Linux
and tried any other TN3270 emulator.

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Recommend Coax-Attached Consoles?

2007-05-21 Thread Bob

Hi,
We are planning on replacing some of our *very* old operator's
consoles (IBM 3471's) with something a bit newer and I am trying to
identify products that might work for us.  We support a *lot* of
separate MVS  VM images (50 or more) and have switched to Visara
boxes to replace most of our controllers.  This has allowed us to
combine multiple consoles on one terminal and we would like to better
exploit that capability.

I think our requirements are very simple:
o the simpler, and more traditional console-like, the better
o we want consoles and no other functionality
o we do not want anything Windows-based
o preferably without any sort of hard drive or other failure-prone components
o all of the terminals will be connected to Visara boxes
o they need to be coax-attached (we do not want to be at the mercy of
  our IP network.)
o they should be able to display multiple sessions (max 4) concurrently for
  operator monitoring
o they should be able to support multiple sessions (10) that the Visara
  controllers allow us to put on one coax
o must work with LCD screens
o support standard mainframe keyboard
o no mouse required
o something that will last us another 15-20 years like the 3471's did
o we are considering Visara's UTC-L devices (any experience with them?)

Any other suggestions on devices that you use and like?


Bob
Sun Microsystems (StorageTek)

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Re: Vista Tn3270 (was: Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL)

2007-05-21 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Maybe Tom should sue Microsoft.  They obviously took his name, which was 
there long before Vista.


Eric Bielefeld
Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434
  

Hum, I wonder how long before Tom Brennan Software is sued by Microsoft
over the name Vista as causing confusion in the market place? And, if
he resists, I wonder how long it will be before MS creates an inferior,
but free, TN3270 emulator bundled into Windows (ref: Netscape).

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Re: Internet Orders

2007-05-21 Thread Neil Douglas
I had preventative maintenance for z/OS 1.7 do the same thing. I finally 
deleted the order on the IBM shopzseries website and started over with a 
new order. No problem on the second try.

Neil M. Douglas
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SMPE receive order times out after two hours for me both today and last
Friday. I also have a product order that shows the internet delivery 
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Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL

2007-05-21 Thread Dave Salt

From: Jim McAlpine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've changed that back to a value of ZTERMCID and it's now returning rc=0 
for both calls. I was sure I had tried that before at Dave Salts'
suggestion, but maybe not.  Now I just need to find out why the ccsid is 
blank.


Have you tried executing the program in foreground? If not, put the load 
module in a library that's allocated to the ISPLLIB ddname, then enter 'TSO 
loadname' on any ISPF command line. This will at least tell you if the issue 
is due to batch versus foreground. Also, what happens if you VGET the value 
from the SHARED pool using a simple REXX procedure; is it still blank?


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Re: Synchronize Time Between Mainframe and Servers?

2007-05-21 Thread Andy Wood
On Mon, 21 May 2007 09:55:13 -0400, Thompson, Steve 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

. . .

Second, you most certainly can use an external time source to set the
mainframe (either via Unix System Services  TCP/IP, or through the HMC
-- neither of which I have personal experience doing). The question is,
since the time source you will attempt to sync to (absent an ETR
connected to a GPS/UTC time source) is NOT sufficiently accurate to
avoid ambiguities in TOD processing -- why would you desire to use NTP
to set the mainframe, as opposed to letting the mainframe be your NTP
source? This was my reason for pointing out, from the PoOP, that the TOD
cycles bit 51 at the micro-second rate, giving a very small drift
. . .

The magnetron in my microwave oven cycles at a sub-nanosecond rate. That 
does not mean it would be be suitable as a low drift clock source.

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Re: Vista Tn3270 (was: Re: calling ISPLINK from COBOL)

2007-05-21 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Mon, 21 May 2007 14:25:20 -0500, Eric Bielefeld wrote:

Maybe Tom should sue Microsoft.  They obviously took his name, which was
there long before Vista.

They have an army of lawyers and he'd have to buy one (or more).  They 
have to pay their lawyers whether they need them or not, so they 
purposefully need them for one reason or another all of the time.  

They could just tie things up in court until he ran out of money, then win by 
default whether they were right or not.  It happens all the time.  

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Re: Synchronize Time Between Mainframe and Servers?

2007-05-21 Thread Thompson, Steve
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On Mon, 21 May 2007 09:55:13 -0400, Thompson, Steve
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

. . .

Second, you most certainly can use an external time source to set the 
mainframe (either via Unix System Services  TCP/IP, or through the HMC
-- neither of which I have personal experience doing). The question is,

since the time source you will attempt to sync to (absent an ETR 
connected to a GPS/UTC time source) is NOT sufficiently accurate to 
avoid ambiguities in TOD processing -- why would you desire to use NTP 
to set the mainframe, as opposed to letting the mainframe be your NTP 
source? This was my reason for pointing out, from the PoOP, that the 
TOD cycles bit 51 at the micro-second rate, giving a very small drift
. . .

The magnetron in my microwave oven cycles at a sub-nanosecond rate. That
does not mean it would be be suitable as a low drift clock source.

snip

Would that be because it does not have any missing-beat detection
micro-code (no pun intended) and would as a result post an error
condition (machine check)? Perhaps there is no circuitry to force the
magnetron to lock at a precise frequency (say 1.037 GHz +/- 10KHz)
because the freq drift is (a) not important as long as you stay around
the assigned micro-wave freq +/- 1% so that leakage is not a problem?
(b) H2O doesn't necessarily care about the precise frequency, close
enough will do? (c) the FCC (or equivalent) doesn't care as long as
there is insufficient leakage to interfere with other SHF devices?

Sorry, but I've retired from working on radar and micro-wave stuff and
haven't touched it since solid state took over.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: Synchronize Time Between Mainframe and Servers?

2007-05-21 Thread Howard Brazee
On 21 May 2007 12:33:45 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Wood)
wrote:

The magnetron in my microwave oven cycles at a sub-nanosecond rate. That 
does not mean it would be be suitable as a low drift clock source.

Personal computers have had built in clocks forever - but they have
been cheap and unreliable.   The solution was to synchronize often.  I
bought a program that did this calculating the lag in my modem and
phone line, but nowadays it is part of the OS.

I wonder how Vax's used to do this with their early acceptance of
world wide systems being the norm.

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IPLINFO Question

2007-05-21 Thread Kopischke, David G.
Sorry to clutter the list with this, but it might be useful for others:

We just got through with a DR test. During this test, management wanted
to emulate as close as possible
the resources we would have available at the DR hotsite based on the
current contract with a DR service
provider.

To do this, the service provider was to limit CPU available to our z/OS
image. It looked like they did this,
but when we execute Mark Zelden's fine freeware IPLINFO EXEC, the
results appear to be for the entire
complex and not just for our image under VM. Is this correct ??? Is
there a better way to get a MIPS or
MSU calculation from just our single z/OS image ???



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Re: TN3270 emulator on Linux.

2007-05-21 Thread Howard Brazee
On 21 May 2007 12:22:49 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKown, John)
wrote:

I run Linux at home, not Windows. I use a VPN to get into work. In the
past, I've used x3270 to do 3270 type work. I recently got Crossover
Linux which can run __some__ MS Windows application under Linux. Just
for fun, I tried an old version of QWS3270 that I purchased from
JollyGiant software on it. It worked very well. I was just wondering if
anybody else out there use Linux as their desktop with Crossover Linux
and tried any other TN3270 emulator.

We have some Linux users and some Mac users who use their own programs
to connect (windows users use BlueZone).Our LAN support is working
on a web based emulator that will replace the Mac software sometime
this summer.  

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Delete invalid dataset name

2007-05-21 Thread John P Donnelly
   How might we delete this little bugger?

 

SYS1.DFDSS.DEFRAG..PRD9LF.DUMMY

 

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Re: Delete invalid dataset name

2007-05-21 Thread McKown, John
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 Subject: Delete invalid dataset name

How might we delete this little bugger?
 
 SYS1.DFDSS.DEFRAG..PRD9LF.DUMMY
 
 John Donnelly

In the deep, dark past, I used IEHPROGM. I wonder in a DELETE ... NVR
would work?

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Re: Delete invalid dataset name

2007-05-21 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Did you have a defrag fail on PRD9LF?
 
Has the cause of that failure been corrected?
 
Idcams  -  Delete NVR possibly with a file(dd1) where dd1 is the ddname 
pointing to the volume where the target dataset resides.



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   How might we delete this little bugger?



SYS1.DFDSS.DEFRAG..PRD9LF.DUMMY



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Re: Data Areas Manuals to be dropped

2007-05-21 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 5/17/2007 2:08:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
the number is
meaningless until you know what it is measuring, even if  it is
accurate. Of course, there's no reason to believe that it's  accurate.
 
See the 16 MAY 2007 Dilbert for additional info on meaninglessness and  
accuracy of numbers: 
_http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070516.html_ 
(http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070516.html) 
 
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Re: IPLINFO Question

2007-05-21 Thread Neubert, Kevin (DIS)
You could look at the user directory for the primary address space size,
but this can change-#CP DEFINE STORAGE size.  From the guest
representing your system #CP QUERY VIRTUAL STORAGE or from another guest
#CP INDICATE USER userid.

Regards,

Kevin

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Sorry to clutter the list with this, but it might be useful for others:

We just got through with a DR test. During this test, management wanted
to emulate as close as possible
the resources we would have available at the DR hotsite based on the
current contract with a DR service
provider.

To do this, the service provider was to limit CPU available to our z/OS
image. It looked like they did this,
but when we execute Mark Zelden's fine freeware IPLINFO EXEC, the
results appear to be for the entire
complex and not just for our image under VM. Is this correct ??? Is
there a better way to get a MIPS or
MSU calculation from just our single z/OS image ???




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Re: Delete invalid dataset name

2007-05-21 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 5/21/2007 3:18:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How might we delete this little bugger?
SYS1.DFDSS.DEFRAG..PRD9LF.DUMMY




An untested suggestion:
Try IMASPZAP with //SYSLIB DD  DSN=FORMAT4.DSCB,DCB=KEYLEN=44,vol=ser=whatever
CCHHR statement points to the Format 1 DSCB of the little  bugger.
Then VER and REP the data set name, whose offset in the VER/REP will be  from 
00 to 2B.
In the REP statement, change all the  bytes to something  
printable, then use normal delete techniques.
 
I trust the little bugger is not cataloged.
 
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Re: Recommend Coax-Attached Consoles?

2007-05-21 Thread R.S.

Bob wrote:
[...]

I think our requirements are very simple:
o the simpler, and more traditional console-like, the better
o we want consoles and no other functionality
o we do not want anything Windows-based
o preferably without any sort of hard drive or other failure-prone 
components

o all of the terminals will be connected to Visara boxes
o they need to be coax-attached (we do not want to be at the mercy of
  our IP network.)
o they should be able to display multiple sessions (max 4) concurrently for
  operator monitoring
o they should be able to support multiple sessions (10) that the Visara
  controllers allow us to put on one coax
o must work with LCD screens
o support standard mainframe keyboard
o no mouse required
o something that will last us another 15-20 years like the 3471's did
o we are considering Visara's UTC-L devices (any experience with them?)

Any other suggestions on devices that you use and like?


I think, your requirements are not possible to fit:
(the answer are 1:1 with the requirements)
1. There are no more traditional consoles. Of course, many 3278-like 
are still in use, but you cannot buy anything new.

2. OK
3. If you want something brand-new (not from second-hand), then you have 
very limited choice: Windows-based PC or Linux-based PC (rare).
4. See above. PCs are not so failure-prone, I buried more terminals than 
PCs in my operations room. YMMV.

5. Well. Don't ask us, read Visara documentation or ask Visara guy...
6. NO WAY. Maybe Visara still support it, but no one else. Any 
COAX-based device belong to history. BTW: You can have your own 
*physically separated* ethernet newtork. The protocol would be TCP?IP, 
but it doesn't hurt. Eth. switch (good one) costs less than $100.

7. You can have multiple sessions on any PC. As much as you want.
8. 10 or 4 ?
9. Every current PC does work with LCD.
10. What does it mean ? Mainframe layout ? Well, you can simply map 
the keys as you want, or buy a keyboard looking like real mainframe 
keyboard. The keyboard costs approx. $100-200, while regular PC-keyboard 
approx. $10.
11. OK, no mouse. THe price will be a little bit higher - special 
requirement vbg
12. One of my PC's works as a console/terminal for 8 years. I've got it 
from someone, who disposed old equipment. Pentium 166. Still working. 
But seriously: Nobody could give you such warranty. Lifetime in IT is 
much shorter.


In general you have three choices:
1. Simply agree with nowadays world, forget about COAX, hard terminals 
and start using PC, ethernet, etc.
2. Buy some equipment on second hand market. It could be set of 3174's, 
2074's (it is PC and supports ethernet connections only) or Visara's and 
 some 3278 hard terminals.

3. Do nothing and live with your equipment as 10 years ago.

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Re: Technical Support magazine

2007-05-21 Thread Bruce Black
Naspa offered a deal for returning members, something like $20 for 20 
months, so I took it.  They email  when new magazines are available.  
But I am not sure if I will renew when the 20 months are up


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Re: problem substituting variables

2007-05-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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   at 01:31 PM, Visser,  Hans (PinkRoccade Infrastructure
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   Why is the variable vqual2a substituted by QUAL, but vqual2b not by
the 2???

Because you used vqual2a as a tail but used vqual2 as a stem.

   I like to have following result QUAL1.QUAL2.QUAL3.
   How could that be reached???

varvalue = QUAL1.vqual2a||vqual2b'.'QUAL3

Assuming that you haven't used QUAL1. as a stem. Otherwise try

varvalue = QUAL1'.'vqual2a||vqual2b'.'QUAL3

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Re: Date Time in JCL

2007-05-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 05/17/2007
   at 12:30 PM, Mark Steely [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I believe the answer is no and that's what I told the customer, but I
will ask any way. Is there a way to dynamically add the current date
and time to a dataset through JCL ? We are z/OS V1R7.

There is no direct way; various posters have mentioned indirect ways.
My preference would be to use a scheduling package or ISPF File
Tailoring.
 
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Re: Synchronize Time Between Mainframe and Servers?

2007-05-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
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on 05/18/2007
   at 09:55 PM, Doc Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

But then again, I'm a bit of a horophile (no sniggering, it doesn't
mean THAT)

I don't see what else it could mean; I can't think of any other Greek
or Latin word with the same root. But why would I find a reference to
time to be salacious in the first place?
 
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Re: Synchronize Time Between Mainframe and Servers?

2007-05-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/19/2007
   at 03:22 PM, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

As usually in mainframe world, we have a lot of proofs that mainframe
is  better, we can provide citations from ESA/390 Holy Principles,
we can  answer that we have ntp server...
But the only honest answer to the question is NO, unfortunately we
are  not able to synchronize with atomic clock, like other devices in
our  server room. Mainframe *can't do it*. We can only use wrist
watch as a  time source and then rely on mainframe internal
clock.

No, that is not an honest answer. An honest answer would be that you
are currently running without the required hardware and software but
that it has been possible for lo these many releases when correctly
configured.

P.S. I would like to hear that I'm wrong.

Okay, you're wrong.

Preferrably without 9037 Timers,

And you knew that you were wrong. No doubt you have an objection to
STP as well, but the fact that you can't or w'ont use it doesn't mean
that it's not available.
 
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Re: VTAM question (***)

2007-05-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/19/2007
   at 05:25 PM, Debbie Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:

Subject: VTAM question (***)

Why do you believe that it is a VTAM issue?

We have just upgraded from z/OS 1.4 to z/OS 1.7.  There is a slight
behaviour  difference in ISPF, however, when navigating ISPF panels. 
I'm 99% sure the  change I need to make is in VTAM somewhere,

Why?

When going from certain panels to other (homegrown) panels, the user
is  presented with *** at the bottom of the screen and must hit
enter.  Prior to  the implementation of 1.7, however, the *** was
not presented and the new  panel was displayed without having to hit
enter.

That sounds like an application problem, having to do with the
relation between line mode and full screen I/O. I'd suggest either
doing the ISPF traces that others have suggested or a TPUT trace and
seeing what changed in the trace between 1.4 and 1.7.

Can someone point me to where I need to look?

Terminal I/O in your applications, especially ISPF. ISPF profile
changes.

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Re: VTOC FULL

2007-05-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
05/15/2007
   at 02:56 PM, Robert Pelletier [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Hi All. We are V2R10. Can I dynamically rebuild a VTOC on a 3390?

You can dynamically expand an existing VTOC. Fixing a corrupted or
destroyed VTOC is much hairier.

If so what utility would work?

DSF.

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Re: IPLINFO Question

2007-05-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 21 May 2007 14:06:18 -0600, Kopischke, David G.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sorry to clutter the list with this, but it might be useful for others:

We just got through with a DR test. During this test, management wanted
to emulate as close as possible
the resources we would have available at the DR hotsite based on the
current contract with a DR service
provider.

To do this, the service provider was to limit CPU available to our z/OS
image. It looked like they did this,
but when we execute Mark Zelden's fine freeware IPLINFO EXEC, the
results appear to be for the entire
complex and not just for our image under VM. Is this correct ??? Is
there a better way to get a MIPS or
MSU calculation from just our single z/OS image ???



My IPLINFO exec is only a rough guestimate based on the SU value in the
RMCT which it converts to SUs per second:

  The approximate total MIPS (SUs/SEC / 48.5 * # general CPUs)

This is the best I was able to do with (unauthorized) rexx code at the
time I added that code.  It also assumes a non-capped CPU.

The way to do this since z/OS R1 (+ a 64-bit machine) is to use
SYSEVENT QVS.   ShowMVS does that.  So you should be able
to use ShowMVS to get what you want.  See file 492 of the
CBT tape - http://www.cbttape.org

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Re: Delete invalid dataset name

2007-05-21 Thread Arthur T.
On 21 May 2007 13:18:10 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
(Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John P Donnelly) wrote:



  How might we delete this little bugger?


SYS1.DFDSS.DEFRAG..PRD9LF.DUMMY


 In the past, I've had luck deleting datasets with 
invalid characters and/or format in two ways:


1.  DD statement DISP=(OLD,DELETE) with the DSN within 
quotes.  Remember to code UNIT  VOL.  If there are lower 
case letters, you have to be careful how it's submitted 
because some techniques will upper-case it for you. (Of 
course, stick it in a jobstep, probably IEFBR14.)


2.  D command from ISPF dataset list of a volume.

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Re: IPLINFO Question

2007-05-21 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
SHOWuOS use three methods to get the info. 

1. Like IPLINFO does (unauth)
2. SYSEVENT QVS (auth)
3. SYSEVENT REQLPDAT (auth)

Sample with one zIIP

SRM MIPS:  923.560  (SU/sec) / 48.5 No of CPU: 5 zAAP/zIIP excl. 

MSU QVS:  CEC: 126 IMG: 8 
  
REQLPDAT: Flags: C0  Defined capacity Capdata valid   
  CEC-Capacity:   126 
  LPAR: LP0101Capacity: 8 
  Factor  :  2286 
  Weight  :277344 # weight acc: 30816 
  Service : 3 
  Time uncap  :71 capped  : 0 


Roland


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On Mon, 21 May 2007 14:06:18 -0600, Kopischke, David G. 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sorry to clutter the list with this, but it might be useful for others:

We just got through with a DR test. During this test, 
management wanted 
to emulate as close as possible the resources we would have available 
at the DR hotsite based on the current contract with a DR service
provider.

To do this, the service provider was to limit CPU available to 
our z/OS 
image. It looked like they did this, but when we execute Mark Zelden's 
fine freeware IPLINFO EXEC, the results appear to be for the entire
complex and not just for our image under VM. Is this correct ??? Is
there a better way to get a MIPS or
MSU calculation from just our single z/OS image ???



My IPLINFO exec is only a rough guestimate based on the SU 
value in the RMCT which it converts to SUs per second:

  The approximate total MIPS (SUs/SEC / 48.5 * # general CPUs)

This is the best I was able to do with (unauthorized) rexx code 
at the time I added that code.  It also assumes a non-capped CPU.

The way to do this since z/OS R1 (+ a 64-bit machine) is to use
SYSEVENT QVS.   ShowMVS does that.  So you should be able
to use ShowMVS to get what you want.  See file 492 of the
CBT tape - http://www.cbttape.org

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Re: IPLINFO Question

2007-05-21 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Mon, 21 May 2007 13:32:55 -0700, Neubert, Kevin (DIS) wrote:

You could look at the user directory for the primary address space size,
but this can change-#CP DEFINE STORAGE size.  From the guest
representing your system #CP QUERY VIRTUAL STORAGE or from another 
guest
#CP INDICATE USER userid.


I don't have direct access to the VM system. Just my z/OS image.

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Re: Is there a way to Remove BOOK from PF6 in SDSF?

2007-05-21 Thread Kenneth E Tomiak
Alan Scott wrote:

Tom,

  Using a usermod would however raise a flag to whoever was doing
maintenance that some modification had been made to this module, were that
person not the one who made the original update they may be inclined to just
re-apply the usermod.

   If you were going to do something like this with a usermod, you would not
want to keep the modified version of the ISPF table around where it could be
re-applied.


I understand you do not want him to keep the modified table in with his job 
that received the usermod, but the table will be around in the target dataset. 
Someone who works hard enough can just copy it from there. What needs to 
be done in the usermod is document the process of creating the table so they 
don't have to go looking for the old one either. Include all of the steps 
required to use the original table, modify it, and bundle it in the usermod.

Way too much work for me, I would write a one line rexx command named 
book:
 return 0 /* rexx */
and let it act as if it had nothing assigned to PF6.

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Re: LRECL of Spanned Records

2007-05-21 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 5/16/2007 5:37:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The 32K limit is driven by the fact this binary integer is  considered
Signed; so instead of 0 thru 65535 it's -32767 thru  32768

The last 8 bytes are lost to track marks and block marks  reserved space.
 
What exactly are track marks and block marks reserved space?  I  never 
heard of them before.
 
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Re: IPLINFO Question

2007-05-21 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Mon, 21 May 2007 15:59:21 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote:


My IPLINFO exec is only a rough guestimate based on the SU value in the
RMCT which it converts to SUs per second:

  The approximate total MIPS (SUs/SEC / 48.5 * # general CPUs)

This is the best I was able to do with (unauthorized) rexx code at the
time I added that code.  It also assumes a non-capped CPU.

The way to do this since z/OS R1 (+ a 64-bit machine) is to use
SYSEVENT QVS.   ShowMVS does that.  So you should be able
to use ShowMVS to get what you want.  See file 492 of the
CBT tape - http://www.cbttape.org


This is not a complaint. A rough guesstimate is all I'm looking for. I hadn't 
really cared what my image was getting previous to this test. Now our 
management wants to operate under the constraints of our contract and I 
thought I'd take a look and see what we were getting.

So, if VM defines 4 virtual CPUs to our image, that's what the image sees so 
that skews the approximation. So I could just undo the virtual CPU over 
allocation by dividing by 4 ??? I'm pretty good with this new math.

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Re: PUTTING DISK OFFLINE - JES3 ENVIRONMENT

2007-05-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/15/2007
   at 06:32 AM, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

It's an MVS message, not a JES3 message.  Your commands are not
making it  to JES3.  $ is not the usual JES3 command prefix.  * is
the default sysplex  scope command prefix, though your installation
may have changed it.

It's not enough to use a JES3 prefix character; he needs to use JES3
syntax.
 
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Re: Delete invalid dataset name

2007-05-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:08:05 -0400, Arthur T. wrote:

   How might we delete this little bugger?

SYS1.DFDSS.DEFRAG..PRD9LF.DUMMY

1.  DD statement DISP=(OLD,DELETE) with the DSN within
quotes.  Remember to code UNIT  VOL.  If there are lower
case letters, you have to be careful how it's submitted
because some techniques will upper-case it for you. (Of
course, stick it in a jobstep, probably IEFBR14.)

Ouch!  Only Shane would approve of such a product.  The
present requirement is an example of why it's undesirable.

2.  D command from ISPF dataset list of a volume.

I've found that not to work in cases.

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Re: Delete invalid dataset name

2007-05-21 Thread Richards.Bob
Tom replied with the only correct answer and it has been that way for at
least 15 yrs.

Bob Richards 


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On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:08:05 -0400, Arthur T. wrote:

   How might we delete this little bugger?

SYS1.DFDSS.DEFRAG..PRD9LF.DUMMY

1.  DD statement DISP=(OLD,DELETE) with the DSN within
quotes.  Remember to code UNIT  VOL.  If there are lower
case letters, you have to be careful how it's submitted
because some techniques will upper-case it for you. (Of
course, stick it in a jobstep, probably IEFBR14.)

Ouch!  Only Shane would approve of such a product.  The
present requirement is an example of why it's undesirable.

2.  D command from ISPF dataset list of a volume.

I've found that not to work in cases. 
  
  
  
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Re: Why is there JOB scope for DSN ENQ's anyway?

2007-05-21 Thread Edward Jaffe

Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:

Picking up on something Paul G. said in another thread, I realized I have
never known *why* the system issues JOB scope ENQ's on DSN's.

I do realize that it is most probably to avoid an ENQ deadly embrace
somewhere along the line, but for the life of me (well, and maybe because
it's Friday) I can't think why a DSN ENQ would be JOB scope instead of STEP
scope.  At least not by default, anyway.
  


I've never heard of an ENQ with job scope. A quick look at the ISGENQ 
service shows the following scope values:


Doc from ISGENQ macro prolog
SCOPE=STEP
   indicates that the resource is
   serialized only within an
   address space.  If STEP is
   specified, a request for the
   same Qname and Rname from a
   program in another address
   space denotes a different
   resource.

SCOPE=SYSTEM
   indicates that the resource is
   serialized across all address
   spaces in a system.

SCOPE=SYSTEMS
   indicates that the resource is
   serialized across all systems
   in a GRS Star or GRS Ring
   complex.

SCOPE=SYSPLEX
   indicates that the resource is
   serialized across all systems
   in a GRS Star sysplex or GRS
   ring. (Same as scope SYSTEMS.)
/Doc from ISGENQ macro prolog

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Re: Technical Support magazine

2007-05-21 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Mon, 21 May 2007 16:43:48 -0400, Bruce Black 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Naspa offered a deal for returning members, something like $20 for 20
months, so I took it.  They email  when new magazines are available.
But I am not sure if I will renew when the 20 months are up
...

I just looked at some of the sections in the ezine.  Since I'm mostly
into mainframe communication software I looked at Networking.
Not much (if anything) relating to mainframe.  (Maybe Web-to-Hose
was supposed to be Web-to-Host. )

I gae up on Networking and tride Legacy Systems.  Topics: General 
Mainframe, MVS, OS 390, OS2, VM, VSE.   MVS and OS/390, but not
z/OS?  This is not encouraging.   

Pat O'Keefe

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Re: PUTTING DISK OFFLINE - JES3 ENVIRONMENT

2007-05-21 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 5/21/2007 5:53:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's not enough to use a JES3 prefix character; he needs to use  JES3
syntax.
 
From the IBM MVS System Commands book (SA22-7627-14):  For devices  managed 
by JES3, issue a *VARY command instead of the MVS VARY command to change  
online or offline status.  See Placing Devices Online or Offline to JES3  in 
z/OS JES3 Commands.
 
The bottom line is are you trying to make the device offline to MVS or  
offline to JES3?
 
Bill  Fairchild
Plainfield, IL





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Re: Why is there JOB scope for DSN ENQ's anyway?

2007-05-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 21 May 2007 16:01:57 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote:

I've never heard of an ENQ with job scope. A quick look at the ISGENQ
service shows the following scope values:

OK.  We were being careless, and I may be at fault for starting it.

The issue is why ENQs are issued at the beginning of the job and
held until the last step that uses the data set name, rather
than being dequeued after each step and re-enqueued at the next
step, and for only the data set names used in that step.

Duration would have been a better word than scope, which is
already used in the other sense.

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Re: Recommend Coax-Attached Consoles?

2007-05-21 Thread Glenn Miller
Hi Bob,

We use VISARA's SCON-22L controllers that have both COAX and Ethernet 
connections.  We needed the COAX attachment to connect to the SUN ( 
STK ) 9310 SILOs as we didn't have the budget for the STK Ethernet LMU 
attachments ( we have 4 STK LMU units ).  When we acquired the VISARA 
SCON-22L controllers in 2004, we had many of the requirements you listed.  In 
particular, NO PC-based console devices, especially Windows-based.  So we 
acquired the VISARA NCT console terminals ( over 40 ).  Some of them we 
ordered with COAX cards in the NCT console, however, every NCT comes with 
an Ethernet connection standard.  On day 1, we were able to replace our IBM 
3174 console controllers with the SCON-22Ls with little effort.  Literally, on 
day 2, we were able to replace our aging IBM 3471 dumb terminals with the 
COAX NCTs with even less effort.  If we had acquired additional Ethernet-
based LUs on our SCON-22Ls, we would have converted the COAX NCTs to 
Ethernet long ago.  So far, the NCTs have performed as VISARA advertises 
and they meet some of the requirements you have: No Hard Disk, Not 
Windows-based, etc. 

I am curious why you feel you must have COAX to avoid the company 
LAN/WAN.  The reason I ask is I assume you have one or more  
z800/z900/z890/z990 processor(s) ( or even 9672s ).  I also assume you have 
one or more IBM Hardware Management Console(s) that are connected to 
those processor(s).  Lastly, I hope you have the HMC(s) and the processor
(s) 'attached' to each other via an Ethernet 'private' ( our network folks 
preferred the term 'limited access ' ) LAN.  If all the above is true, then you 
have the same 'basic' setup that we had back in 2004.  We simply replaced 
the IBM-supplied Ethernet HUBs with a couple of CISCO Ethernet switches and 
connected the Ethernet NCTs, VISARA SCON-22Ls and other Ethernet 
equipment to these switches.  As far as the corporate network was 
concerned, this 'private network' didn't exist.  In our case, this didn't last 
long 
( a couple of months ) because of a requirement to support a 'dual command 
center' configuration.  In that case, this 'private' LAN was changed to 
a 'limited access' LAN by placing a CISCO Router between the CISCO Ethernet 
switches and the company LAN/WAN at each site.  An 'access list' was added 
to each router so that the 'private' LAN segment at one location could 
contact any device with the 'private' LAN segment at the other location.  To 
this day, this all works the way it is suppose to.  The only times we have ever 
experienced any problems with this configuration is when the network folks 
modify the 'access list' in those routers.

Feel free to contact me off-list if you have any questions regarding this info.

Glenn Miller

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Re: 3350 failures

2007-05-21 Thread Rick Fochtman

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IBM 3880 - 1 or 2 (IBM DASD and Control Units Facts Folder G520-3075-2)




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Will a 3880 with proper microcode control 3350s?

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IIRC, there was also a head of string 3350 that would act as a 
controller. But the memory is growing older and dimmer; check other sources.


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Re: Why is there JOB scope for DSN ENQ's anyway?

2007-05-21 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 18:43 -0500 on 05/21/2007, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: Why is 
there JOB scope for DSN ENQ's anyway?:



On Mon, 21 May 2007 16:01:57 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote:


I've never heard of an ENQ with job scope. A quick look at the ISGENQ
service shows the following scope values:


OK.  We were being careless, and I may be at fault for starting it.

The issue is why ENQs are issued at the beginning of the job and
held until the last step that uses the data set name, rather
than being dequeued after each step and re-enqueued at the next
step, and for only the data set names used in that step.


There is a simple reason. The ENQs are done before the job is started 
so that all of the datasets are available to the steps. If you 
release and reacquire the ENQs, there is a possibility that you will 
not be able to reacquire them (due to some other job grabbing them 
between your DEQ and ENQ) or even worse, ending up in a deadly 
embrace (where two jobs each want the same ENQs but can not get 
them). The way it works now, you wait until everything is available 
and then run, doing DEQs for those datasets that are no longer needed.


The question of holding a Exclusive ENQ when you only need a Shared 
ENQ (ie: Exclusive in Step1 and continuing to hold Exclusive when 
only needing Shared in subsequent steps) is due to a poor ENQ design 
that has no provision for altering an Exclusive to a Shared (while 
having the useless Shared to Exclusive capability that is almost 
impossible to be able to use due to the probability that some other 
task shares your Shared ENQ lock). The amount of coding work needed 
to fix this design flaw is under one man day (just flip the E/S flag 
in the ENQ queue record from E to S and then drive the routine that 
handles a DEQ of an Exclusive ENQ that is followed on its queue by a 
waiting Shared ENQ [IOW: Take entries 2+ out of hold and assign them 
as Shared owners of the ENQ until you run off the end of the list or 
encounter another Exclusive ENQ request]). IBM has repeated refused 
to devote the minimal resources needed to fix this problem.


Note: I acknowledge that there also needs to be updates to the ENQ 
and ISGENQ macros to request this option and a new flag bit in their 
Parm fields. That and what happens if you make the request on a 
system that is missing the support is the bigger problem than making 
the few lines of code change to support the capability.




Duration would have been a better word than scope, which is
already used in the other sense.

-- gil


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Re: 3350 failures

2007-05-21 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 IBM 3880 - 1 or 2 (IBM DASD and Control Units Facts Folder G520-3075-2)

old email with reference to finding bug in the 3350 support in
3880 controller (and possibility of same bug having been in 3830
controller)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#email800402
in this recent post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#28 What is command reject trying to 
tell me?

above post also references early 3880 MVS RAS testing in this post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#2 The Elements of Programming Style 

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