Re: [RDA-L] Relationship designator for corporate creator

Patricia, It shouldn't vary from library to library if catalogers follow the definitions of the relationship designators and apply the principal of assigning the most specific designator available. In such a case, I think most catalogers would arrive at using author. Adam Schiff University

Re: [RDA-L] 240 uniform title

there will be one. I'm wonder why you don't just catalog it as a serial though, in which case there won't be a conflict. Also, you don't know for sure that Trimble will be the creator of each of the quarterly reports. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries -Original Message- From: FOGLER

Re: [RDA-L] RDA imprint revision

of manufacture, manufacturer or manufacturers, and date or dates of manufacture of a resource in a published form. Manufacture statements include statements relating to the printing, duplicating, casting, etc., of a resource in a published form. Adam Schiff Principal Cataloger University

Re: [RDA-L] Home country rule

either London or London ; Buffalo ; Toronto. I have generally been opting to record all of the places. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries From: Seth Huber Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:12 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Home country rule Hi all, Does

Re: [RDA-L] reprint relationships

publisher, etc. It doesn’t sound like something that users would consider bibliographically significant enough that they would prefer one printing over another. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries From: Julie Moore Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:37 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC

Re: [RDA-L] Prize winners in authority records

Richard, Interesting, although I find it to be a bit of a stretch to say that using terms like this in 368 $c connotes an “other designation” in the RDA sense. Although the field is defined as “Other Attributes of Person or Corporate Body”, I think I’d prefer a new subfield for “other

Re: [RDA-L] Can corporate bodies only have one associated place?

the name of the local place or places ... My guess is that the editor and JSC just never considered that more than one local place would/could be associated with a corporate body other than a conference. Adam Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries asch...@uw.edu

Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA

In the structured (or complex) 502, subfield $a is not used. The field itself means dissertation or thesis, and so the computer system should be programmed to display the data with a label like Thesis: or something similar. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries asch...@uw.edu

Re: [RDA-L] 502 dissertation note in RDA

? Jack Jack Wu Franciscan University of Steubenville j...@franciscan.edu Adam Schiff asch...@u.washington.edu 10/25/2013 3:42 AM In the structured (or complex) 502, subfield $a is not used. The field itself means dissertation or thesis, and so the computer system should be programmed to display

Re: [RDA-L] title page verso in 500 note

I think everyone is still using “verso” and “recto” if appropriate. I wouldn’t try to find a replacement term in this case. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries From: Karen Nelson Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:55 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] title page

Re: [RDA-L] Access points vs. cross references

RDA doesn't use the term alternate access point. The example that is being referred to here is in 6.27.4.1 where it is clearly labeled as a variant access point, i.e. a cross-reference in an authority record: Construct additional variant access points if considered important for access.

Re: [RDA-L] Multiple bibliographic identities

And really what we need are systems that use the relationships in authority records to offer the user choices. You search for Barbara Vine and the system asks you if you also want to retrieve her real identity Ruth Rendell. Our OPACs don’t do a great job with this yet. Adam Schiff University

Re: [RDA-L] Relationship designator for a retitled work

to a shared database. What one does in ones local catalog is completely different, but we would not be happy to find copy with the practice you're suggesting, Mac. We would instruct catalogers here to upgrade the record to the standard. Adam Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries

Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)

on the resource and a 700 for the actual author. Those should be cross-refs in authority records I think. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries From: Lynne LaBare, Senior Librarian/Cataloger Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:57 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA name

Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)

. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries -Original Message- From: Gray-Williams, Donna Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 7:57 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character) I can't use RDA yet, so I wasn't paying initial

Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)

The first one is simply incorrect and should be fixed. The other designation element (Fictitious character) should be coded in $c of the personal name. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries -Original Message- From: FOGLER, PATRICIA A GS-11 USAF AETC AUL/LTSC Sent: Tuesday

Re: [RDA-L] RDA 6.2.2.10 (was: alternative titles and variant access points)

be used instead of Poems. Selections. Another example might be James Michener’s Tales of the South Pacific, which is a collection of sequentially related short stories. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries From: Heidrun Wiesenmüller Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 4:32 AM To: RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] question about supplying/devising other title information

Linda, You are correct. RDA does not permit you to supply an explanation for the title proper. You should add a 500 note instead. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries From: Linda Dausch Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:20 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

take statements of responsibility from anywhere in a book, so it doesn’t matter that Rowling’s name isn’t on the title page. She is asserted as the creator it seems, and so she is in the AAP. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries From: rball...@frontier.com Sent: Friday, October 04

Re: [RDA-L] alternative titles and variant access points

this contains vs. is issue is a red herring. The manifestation is NOT an expression. The expression of the work is contained (manifested) in the manifestation. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries -Original Message- From: Jenifer K Marquardt Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013

Re: [RDA-L] alternative titles and variant access points

The 240 field for RDA would be used for a resource that consisted of a single work with a creator, where the title proper of the manifestation is not the preferred title of the work. In addition, the 240 would be used for an expression other than the original of that single work with a

Re: [RDA-L] alternative titles and variant access points

just have easily been something like Sea (Poetry anthology : 2005) or many other formulations. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries -Original Message- From: Arakawa, Steven Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 6:18 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] A date between 1310 and 1319

an approximate date, splitting the difference in dates: $d approximately 1315- Adam Adam Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries From: Moore, Richard Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:56 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] A date between 1310 and 1319 We have

Re: [RDA-L] Relationship designators, LC and PCC Core

The last time I looked at this LC-PCC PS (a few days ago), it had not yet been changed. I don’t know if LC plans to follow the rest of the PCC on this. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries From: Panchyshyn, Roman Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:01 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC

Re: [RDA-L] GMD - where is everyone on this?

I do hope that libraries that are using non-standard GMDs do not include them in any records that they contribute to OCLC. If including GMDs in shared records, they should be the valid ones from AACR2. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries From: Kathleen Lamantia Sent: Friday

Re: [RDA-L] How would you relate these two works?

Everett, Yes, that’s my take on the two works, although the author also describes one as a companion, or spinoff, of the other, so he seems to consider them related in some complementary way. I wondered whether I needed a designator like “companion to” or “spinoff of” or something like that.

Re: [RDA-L] Catalog publication date

I would use [2011] as the publication date. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries -Original Message- From: Mitchell, Michael Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:50 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Catalog publication date I'm sorry if this has been covered

Re: [RDA-L] 264 question

It would not be correct to use “SC” in your place of publication. If you are supplying a date, you wouldn’t use a postal abbreviation. Either [Charleston] or [Charleston, South Carolina]. Adam Schiff From: Patricia Mary Gierke Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:21 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC

Re: [RDA-L] 264 question

Oops, I meant if you are supplying a place, you wouldn’t use a postal abbreviation. From: Adam Schiff Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:39 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 264 question It would not be correct to use “SC” in your place of publication. If you

Re: [RDA-L] 264 question

] or [Charleston, South Carolina] because you don’t abbreviate the names of states anymore in the place of publication element. Adam Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries From: Saunders, Mary Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:38 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA

Re: [RDA-L] 264 question

was published in Seattle even though it doesn’t say it in the resource, you don’t use the abbreviations from the appendix: 264 _1 $a [Seattle, Washington] or 250 $a Saskatchewan edition. [not Sask. ed.] Adam Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries From: Liptack, Vanessa Sent

[RDA-L] Relationship designator for author of the book for a musical

the words to the songs in a musical as well as the words spoken that aren't sung? Or perhaps use lyricist for the author of the words to the songs and librettist for the author of the spoken words? Thanks, Adam Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries asch...@uw.edu

Re: [RDA-L] Title proper choice (multiple parallel titles)

content in a single language. In any case, there is nothing in RDA at present that tells me what title proper to choose in the example I've given above. Is a rule revision or LC-PCC policy statement needed for this? Adam Schiff ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger

Re: [RDA-L] Language of expression

(Subtitled) 730 02 $I Contains (expression): $a Defiance (Motion picture : 2008). $l French. $s (Subtitled) 730 02 $I Contains (expression): $a Defiance (Motion picture : 2008). $l Spanish. $s (Subtitled) --Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries From: Joan Wang Sent: Thursday

Re: [RDA-L] Authorized access points for expressions

$a Steiner, Max, $d 1888-1971. 240 10 $a Gone with the wind. $h Performed music --Adam Schiff Adam Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries From: Joan Wang Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 9:02 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Authorized access points

Re: [RDA-L] Size of PDF files

Why not turn on the 34X fields for display in your catalog? This is where the data belongs in an RDA record. Adam Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Seattle, WA 98195-2900 From: Felix, Kyley Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:13 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA

Re: [RDA-L] Size of PDF files

and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam Schiff Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013 5:50 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Size of PDF files Why not turn on the 34X fields for display in your catalog? This is where

Re: [RDA-L] theme song from films

I suggested that one already to JSC, but not sure what the status of it is. I think they asked Music Library Association to consider it. Adam Adam Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries From: Robert Maxwell Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 3:44 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC

Re: [RDA-L] More than one mode of issuance?

Perhaps a single unit with supplementary volumes? -Original Message- From: Heidrun Wiesenmüller Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 7:45 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] More than one mode of issuance? RDA 2.13.1.3 Recording modes of issuance says: Record as many terms as

Re: [RDA-L] More than one mode of issuance?

LC-PCC PS for 0.0: Supplementary Materials LC practice: Create separate records for a main work and a supplementary work if the supplementary work is not issued at the same time as the main work, or if it shows important differences in titles or statements of responsibility from those

Re: [RDA-L] RE : [RDA-L] a rather than t for ETD

The implication of the instruction that all online resources are published is that when making a record for the electronic thesis from the record for the print manuscript, you'd need to change the type code to textual material and supply a place of publication and publisher. Adam

Re: Author, author! Re: [RDA-L] Fictitious characters as authors

How about: Someone Who Did Something or Person Who Did Something of course that would eliminate non-human living entities. So, in order not to be anthropomorphic, how about: Being That Did Something ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger

Re: Author, author!

The term chosen was Party. So, the main entry would be the party of the first part and the added entries would be the parties of the second part? wink Which leads to the primary party and secondary party or ... main party and added (or additional) parties. But getting serious again for

Re: Fictitious characters as authors

Another issue that perhaps needs addressing is animals as authors, which also currently do not get name headings and cannot be given entries. We are all familiar with the books by Millie the dog and Socks (Sox?) the cat, but commercials, fictional films and television programs, and

Comments on Chapters 4-6, and App. D

Here are some comments on RDA draft chapters 4-6 and appendix D: 4.3.0.3. Describing the nature and scope of the content All of the geographic note examples seem to be from cartographic materials. I'd like to see a geographic coverage note that's explicitly labeled as such, and could be

Comments on 2.10 (Series)

Here are my comments on the draft RDA 2.10. 2.10.1.1. Definition I don't know what chief title of a series means and I find this language awkward. Why not cut out that part and go straight to the parenthetical part of the definition: The title proper of a series to which the resource

Re: Comments on 2.4-2.5

That RDA bit about allowing an access point to replace transcription worries me, apart from 440. My old cataloguing teacher said all access points (added entries she called them) had to be justified by the description or a note. Makes sense to me. Even the authorized form of series title

Re: [CRCC-RDA] Re: Adam's RDA 2.4-2.6 comments

I'd also really like to hear a principled argument for having the option as it is. Why does this apply only when there are more than 3 entities? What is so special about 3? I don't fully see how this arbitrary number can be defended intellectually. RD - Are you saying that you would like to