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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as a motor fuel
Hi Tom:
Sorry should have added the context. Intriguing as perhaps a better
common denominator than hydrogen itself. e.g. can be easily
transported; can be made from biogas; can power a fuel cell
directly or indirectly; relatively safe
That interview with Dr. Olah was a good read. Thanks Darryl.
From: Darryl McMahon
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:24 PM
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
Has anyone read Beyond Oil and Gas: The Methanol Economy?
Have you looked on drag racing forums about methanol for race fuel? And they
discuss the effects on the motor and modifications required.
Michele
On Nov 27, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com wrote:
Has anyone read Beyond Oil and Gas: The Methanol Economy?
I have not yet started in on racing forums, as I understand they use
100% methanol as fuel, and my interest is using a mix of methanol (up to
50% possibly) in order to avoid making engine modifications while not
sacrificing engine life.
The idea of the methanol energy economy is way beyond my
/2014 2:50 PM
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sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as a motor fuel
Hi Tom:
Sorry should have added the context. Intriguing as perhaps a better common
denominator than hydrogen itself. e.g. can
Darryl, methanol is already used as motor fuel in Indy Car and Speedway.
Metanol is similar to ethanol, but more. It means that of all properties
that ethanol has, methanol has more of them. Methanol is slightly more
corrosive than water and has an oxygene content of 50% by weight. The flash
Jan, thanks for the quick response.
Not scaring me off. I have read something which suggests adding
methanol to gasoline has some potentially beneficial combustion effects.
Lower energy content was known and accepted. I generally use
synthetic lubricating oils anyway - better lube
Methanol is super intriguing… the amount of hydrogen per molecule.
From: Darryl McMahon
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:06 PM
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
Jan, thanks for the quick response.
Not scaring me off. I have read something which
Years ago I read that vehicles owned by New York State (U.S.) and operated on
the New York State Thruway used either ethanol or methanol depending on
availability.
However, the manual for my flex fuel Ford Ranger warns against the use of
methanol. A few years ago I asked the list if I could
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as a motor fuel
Methanol is super intriguing… the amount of hydrogen per molecule.
From: Darryl McMahon
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:06 PM
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
/2014 12:58 PM
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sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as a motor fuel
Methanol is super intriguing… the amount of hydrogen per molecule.
From: Darryl McMahon
Sent: Wednesday, November 26
Jaser j...@jaser.net
Sent: 11/26/2014 12:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as a motor fuel
Methanol is super intriguing… the amount of hydrogen per molecule.
From: Darryl McMahon
Wow do you get a kiss with that ?
I am paying $3.50 a gal from a fuel supplier as off road fuel no road tax.
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Propane is also used, but metanol would be more controlable and less
volitale.
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Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol recovery;
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:52:11 -0500
Hey Tom et al;
I think I might
Hey allhere is a good price! 1.80/gallon, here is the link
http://www.methanex.com/products/methanolprice.html
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:41:05 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL
PROTECTED]: [Biofuel] Methanol SuppliersHi all,I need a better supply of
methanol. My local supplier is
I get it from a local oil and fuel supplier. They supply gas stations and
businesses with fuel and lubes. I just got some 2 weeks ago $3.22 gal it is
considered of road fuel so no road tax on it. They don't ask what i am doing
with it and I don't tell them it's for bio D since its not going to be
to make
yourself...).
Jason
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From: Thomas Kelly
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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Jim,
Bad news.
I don't think
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze
Hi Tom: A friend who mixes windshield wash commercially uses 35% in the
winter. That is plenty strong for Montana, but if he uses that strength he
does not have to worry if the temp goes below -10F by several degrees.
Paul
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels
production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices
have gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons?
VEry best
Chic
VAN
: PAUL MILLER
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze
Hi Tom: A friend who mixes windshield wash commercially uses 35% in the
winter. That is plenty strong for Montana, but if he uses
Hi Tom;
I think washer fluid typically contains 20 to 40% alcohol but I notice
that on the cold days if I use the lower percentage the fluid can
momentarily freeze up on the windsheild after wiping leaving streaks of
ice. The higher percentage doesn't do this.
Joe
PAUL MILLER wrote:
Hi
of methanol.
Tom
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From: Joe Street
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Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze
Hi Tom;
I think washer fluid typically contains 20 to 40
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*Sent:* Friday, November 24, 2006 9:01 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze
Hi Tom;
I think washer fluid typically contains 20 to 40% alcohol but I
notice that on the cold days if I use the lower percentage the
fluid can momentarily
I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels
production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have
gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons?
VEry best
Chic
VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote:
It is my understanding that most of the methanol
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From: FRANCISCO
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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels production
are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have
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From: FRANCISCOmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Francisco,
I predict that Biodiesel producers will start working with ethanol as a
result of these price increases, this is a good thing and it needs to happen,
when it does that means the biodiesel
: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Ethanol to make ethyl esters makes good sense. Not only renewable, but
carbon neutral as well.
May have to tweak the process a bit . vacuum to reduce water in
oil?
Use high quality WVO or do
.
I got discouraged and put it aside.
Tom
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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
It is something that I intend to fiddle
Hi Tom: A friend who mixes windshield wash commercially uses 35% in the
winter. That is plenty strong for Montana, but if he uses that strength he
does not have to worry if the temp goes below -10F by several degrees.
Paul
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From: Thomas Kellymailto:[EMAIL
Think methanol price is strongly dependant of natural gas price which is linked
to fuel prices.
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From: Thomas Kelly
To: biofuel
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:14 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Hello All,
Did I miss the
My price went from 2.02 a gallon last month to 3.08 a gallon this month
Logan Vilas
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol
I just got off the phone with my methanol supplier. They are in Albany, NY
(Northeastern US). They have been very nice people to work with
friendly/helpful. I was told that they had a 35% price increase from their
supplier, and passed it along. Is this a world-wide phenomenon or
Tom,
Yep, you missed it, I used to think it followed natural gas prices too but that
is not the case unless there is a significant market lag that causes the price
to lag about a year behind. Wellhead Gas prices have gone down considerably
since last year. Someone mentioned that there was a
I just got this also please see
http://www.purchasing.com/article/CA6389243.html
Jim
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:44:45 -0500
I just
, 2006 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Tom,
Yep, you missed it, I used to think it followed natural gas prices too but
that is not the case unless there is a significant market lag that causes the
price to lag about a year behind. Wellhead Gas prices have gone down
22, 2006 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
I just got this also please see
http://www.purchasing.com/article/CA6389243.html
Jim
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol
It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is
produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices
have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They
probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have
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Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is
produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol
prices have gone up, but, I am
Just got off the dogbone to my supplier here in south coast of NSW Oz
200liters=$314.15 + GST so wack another10% on
Thats all in Oz dollars which is about the equivalent value of monopoly mony
William do yop have any info on making it from wood?
Leo
VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/wood_alcohol.html
Jim
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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:12:42 +1100 (EST)
Just got off the dogbone to my
Of course
check the library
Thanks Jim
JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/wood_alcohol.html
Jim
From: leo bunyan
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Date: Thu, 23
Dear Khin Wei Chong,
If you want I've got the real technology, how to produce the methanol and the
derivate comppounds.
Best regards.
Dr. Ezio Di Bernardo
Hi,
Im interested in getting methanol within the south
east asian region. Would appreciate if anyone could
provide me some
Dear Khin Wei Chong,
If you want I've got the real technology, how to produce the
methanol and the derivate comppounds.
Methanol production for backyarders?
Please tell us more.
Best
Keith
Best regards.
Dr. Ezio Di Bernardo
Hi,
Im interested in getting methanol within the south
Hi,
Im interested in getting methanol within the south
east asian region. Would appreciate if anyone could
provide me some assistance on where I can obtain
methanol or provide me some quotes.
Thanks.
Joe Street wrote:
Hi Jim;
Ok I made up a graph by adding water one ml at a
time
Source:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8859feedId=online-news_rss20
Methanol-powered artificial muscles start to flex
19:00 16 March 2006
NewScientist.com news service
Zeeya Merali
Methanol-powered artificial muscles have been created
by researchers
aiming to create
Mike Weaver wrote:
HI MY NAME IS MIKE AND I HAVE A METHANOL PROBLEM.
snip
Thanks, I needed a good grin!
doug swanson
--
Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
This email is constructed entirely
Keith!
You live on a mountain in Japan? How are you coping with all the snow
dude? Last I heard 4m fell. Be vewwwy qwiet while you tiptoe around
ok? It wouldn't do to have a few megatons of snow come and wipe you off
the mountain!
J
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery?
HI MY NAME IS MIKE AND I HAVE A METHANOL PROBLEM.
HI MIKE!
I first began using methanol just on the weekends. A few bottles of
dry gas here and there, just enought to make myself feel better about
my fuel usage. Then it got
Keith!
You live on a mountain in Japan?
Indeed I do Joe, at least Weaver got something right, LOL!
How are you coping with all the snow
dude? Last I heard 4m fell.
7m in some places. It's killed about a hundred people in Japan so
far. Not so bad here though, much worse in the north.
Be
Hi Theo
Big-time, huh? :-)
Hello everyone, I am scaling up the size of my processing units to
make about 300-400gallons of biodiesel a day. Right now I do not do
any methanol recovery however at the larger scale it makes a lot of
finical sense to get back the methanol. I have had a lot of
Addison
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:04 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery?
Hi Theo
Big-time, huh? :-)
Hello everyone, I am scaling up the size of my processing units to
make about 300-400gallons of biodiesel a day. Right now I do not do
any
HI MY NAME IS MIKE AND I HAVE A METHANOL PROBLEM.
HI MIKE!
I first began using methanol just on the weekends. A few bottles of dry
gas here and there, just enought to make myself feel better about my
fuel usage. Then it got to be too expensive to buy methanol in little
bottles and I began to
Amazing Keith, that you put any time in stupid articles like this man wrote.
How can you keep your patients ?
Greetings,
Pieter.
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is immortal not even the earth we tread under
foot.
Doug Handisides
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:55 AM
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Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good
enoughprotection?
In an obscure way, I am all ready there.
A neighbor up the street let me know about a month ago that if he ever
suspects that I am making BioDiesel, he
out the ins and out's of this law, and so I'm
just taking my time.
Greg H.
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From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 13:40
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good
enoughprotection
Ah thank you very much, google didnt give me any
results in the past. Ordered me catalogue so hopefully
should get that soon! (dont worry too much about
prices though, over here it would have been £6/gal!)
Looks like im gonna have to start work on that ethanol
distillery sooner rather then later
I'm a residence not a restraunt/business, so the exemtions for 'Other Oils'
don't apply.
Greg H.
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No.
Near as I can tell, everything is NG with some electric and a few solar.
Greg H
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Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 18:59
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Furnace is Natural Gas.
Greg H.
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 23:43
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves
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Hey Greg,
Can't you put your
It's one thing if it is a vehicle fuel tank, something else if it is not.
Greg H.
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Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 22:02
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves
Thanks to all for the thorough responses to my queries about methanol and
gloves! Y'all rule...
What's your views on my addition of 0.5-2% addition of gasoline to my
veggie oil prior to biodiesel production during cold/damp weather?
It seems to take care of the moisture factor which had me
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 18:59
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene glovesgood
enoughprotection?
Greg,
Do people heat with fuel oil where you are? If so, that's not Biodiesel
being stored, it's fuel oil. They have got to allow tanks of that.
(Assuming people heat
Hi Peter
Hi Keith and All ;
I had a bug infestation eating new leaves on some
trees I was growing. The only thing I had handy was
some 85% methanol. I used a hand pump spray bottle
and sprayed it on, and the plants loved it, the bugs
all died and haven't come back yet.
Interesting. With 85%
Better to be over-cautious than under-cautious.
I know what you're saying Mike, but I don't agree. Maybe you wouldn't
either if you saw all the emails I've had from people shying away
from brewing biodiesel because of all those dreadful chemicals. Maybe
if the playing field was level, without
Hi Keith,
You're probably right. I just have the fear that someone will
kill/blind/maim themselves making BD and it'll
be seized on by the forces of darkness. If training were available, or
we could setp an serious non-profit (that is NOT the National Biodiesel
Board) and
do training, like
Hi Chris,
what sort of quantities are you looking for? For 25L plus, try Performance
chemicals Ltd. Prices are good but carriage charges are very high. For less
than 25L, you can have some of mine at cost if you can collect from
Peterborough.
Hope this helps
Rgds Bob
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Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 13:40
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good
enoughprotection?
Hi Keith,
You're probably right. I just have the fear that someone will
kill/blind/maim themselves making BD and it'll
be seized on by the forces of darkness
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Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good
enoughprotection?
In an obscure way, I am all ready there.
A neighbor up the street let me know about a month ago that if he ever
suspects that I am making BioDiesel
and out's of this law, and so I'm
just taking my time.
Greg H.
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From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 13:40
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good
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time.
Greg H.
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 13:40
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good
enoughprotection?
Hi Keith,
You're probably right. I
Hey Greg,
Can't you put your biodiesel in a furnace tank and call it home heating
oil? That should get around that arcane law.
Too bad about your neighbour, tho'...
Kenji Fuse
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On Nov 29, 2005, at 11:51 PM, Keith Addison wrote:
We're veering between incaution and overcaution. There've
been some other messages pooh-poohing safety in general.
I'd agree too much safety is dangerous, but so is too little.
What's required is *due* caution, which needs good information.
On Nov 29, 2005, at 11:51 PM, Keith Addison wrote:
We're veering between incaution and overcaution. There've
been some other messages pooh-poohing safety in general.
I'd agree too much safety is dangerous, but so is too little.
What's required is *due* caution, which needs good
Better to be over-cautious than under-cautious.
I wish we could set up a training series and teach interested parties
how to brew safely. I dread the thought than someone will
make an avoidable error and taint the home-brewing scenario.
If I wrote a quick safety punchlist would the greybeards
Hi Keith and All ;
I had a bug infestation eating new leaves on some
trees I was growing. The only thing I had handy was
some 85% methanol. I used a hand pump spray bottle
and sprayed it on, and the plants loved it, the bugs
all died and haven't come back yet.
Best Regards,
Peter G.
Thailand
Thankyou Ken, succinctly put, as ever.
Best
Keith
On Nov 4, 2005, at 10:11 PM, Ken Dunn wrote:
I'm still a bit confused.
What is the trick to evaporating the methanol
without reversing the process?
Very simple -- you can't boil off methanol when both
biodiesel and glycerine are
what the boilling point of diesel is but itw way below the boiling point of
water at 212,, buck
From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol recovery from fuel stock?
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:31:32 -0800
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:35
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution
Howdy Teoman,
bubbling thru the solution is all that it would do. It doesn't react under
these conditions.
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Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:58 PM
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Hydrocarbons are relatively inert. They only undergo reaction at
vigorous conditions such high pressure and/or high
is -OH which makes it react.
Best,
Chris
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Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:00 PM
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How would you react the solution
Any known functional groups?
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Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:58 PM
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Hydrocarbons are relatively inert. They only
Propane becomes liquid under pressure.
Mehtane would be bubbled through the solution.
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Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 5:00 AM
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I knew that somebody would have thought of it if it were possible.
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skinner
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How would you react the solution with the gas?
Teoman Naskali wrote:
Just a thoght bu would it be possible to use methane or propane or
buthane
Then how is NitoMethane made?
Greg H.
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:35
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution
Howdy Teoman,
bubbling thru the solution is all that it would do
The reaction works by replacing one alcohol with another
in Fats you have glycerol which has 3 alcohol groups which are attached to 3
fatty acids
when you react an alcohol with a acid you get an ester
it is call a transesterification because you substitute one alcohol for
another
since the
methane, propane etc. are hydrocarbons. You need alcohols for a
transesterification reaction.
Sorry, they won't work
Teoman Naskali wrote:
Just a thoght bu would it be possible to use methane or propane or
buthane instead of methanol? One would have to have some methanol for
the methroxide
How would you react the solution with the gas?
Teoman Naskali wrote:
Just a thoght bu would it be possible to use methane or propane or
buthane instead of methanol? One would have to have some methanol for
the methroxide but still... that would save a lot of money.
Has anynone experimented?
Beer or wine works, but you should not drink it until AFTER the reaction.
bob allen wrote:
methane, propane etc. are hydrocarbons. You need alcohols for a
transesterification reaction.
Sorry, they won't work
Teoman Naskali wrote:
Just a thoght bu would it be possible to use methane or
I am trying to set up a methanol recovery still for my appleseed reactor
and was wondering if a PVC tank made from a sealed 6 diameter tube would
be acceptable. According to a chemical compatibility chart I found it
says that PVC is okay to use with methanol but I wonder. Is the reason
steel and
No, I understand I need to drain off the fuel first to the wash tank and
then recover the methanol from the glycerol by product only.
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am trying to set up a methanol recovery still for my appleseed
reactor
and was wondering if a PVC tank made from a
methanol my biodegrade but into what?
if it degrades into methane that is a green house gas?
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol and wastewater treatment
Hello Michael
methanol my biodegrade but into what?
Umm, a little lower down it says: ... which are capable of
completely degrading methanol to carbon dioxide and water.
Yon carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas because the methanol would
almost certainly be fossil fuel-derived, but it's going
the setup and hopefully with success on this something a
little more permanent.
Regards,
John
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:33:09 +0900
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol handling tips needed
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Cheers for the info, I will drop into the local hardware store and see what
I can find
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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:01 AM
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can put a
thermostat on it, and they run about 1500 watts.
jason
From: Darryl West [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol handling tips needed
Hi Guys,
I have found getting a submersible heating element
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Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 11:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol handling tips needed
Hello John
Greetings,
I'm finally finding the time to make a processor, but find myself
hanging on a couple
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol
handling tips needed
Try www.omega.com
for stainless heater elements.
Joe
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
How about standard water heater elements? You might be able to getstainless steel ones for the higher quality tanks
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