Re: [talk-ph] Revisiting the admin_level values for boundary=administrative

2009-04-30 Thread maning sambale
Eugene and all, Are you proposing this scheme for admin_levels? (first row is Eugene's proposal as I understand it) 2 -- 2 - National Border (this is a worldwide convention, so there will be no 3 -- 4 - Regions 4 -- 6 - Provinces 5 -- Districts? 6 -- 8 - Cities and municipalities 8 -- 9 -

Re: [talk-ph] Revisiting the admin_level values for boundary=administrative

2009-04-30 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi maning, Actually, I mentioned in my e-mail that I have specifically excluded congressional districts[1] from the discussion since these do not specify administrative boundaries. Aside from the pork barrel, the representatives don't *administer* their territories. I think these should be tagged

Re: [talk-ph] Reviving plan(s) for Tagaytay Mapping party

2009-04-30 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
I'm good with May 16. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:53 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I've posted the tagaytay mapping party announcement to several people, mailinglist and my blog. Please help in populating more information in the tagaytay mapping party page to help

Re: [talk-ph] Reviving plan(s) for Tagaytay Mapping party

2009-04-30 Thread Ed Garcia
Hi, I will try my best to clear my schedules on the morning of May 16 so I can at least meet with you guys in person. Might not be able to map much as I will be on my way to Batangas by noon. Where is our meeting place? thanks ed On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:53 PM, maning sambale

Re: [talk-ph] Reviving plan(s) for Tagaytay Mapping party

2009-04-30 Thread maning sambale
Alright, sige lets post an announcement (blogs, OSM diary, mailinglist, yahoogroups). On 4/30/09, Nacario Neil nbnaca...@yahoo.com wrote: good to go - Original Message From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009

Re: [talk-ph] Reviving plan(s) for Tagaytay Mapping party

2009-04-30 Thread Nacario Neil
good to go - Original Message From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:10:05 PM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Reviving plan(s) for Tagaytay Mapping party Last call for confirming the date: May 16 in Tagaytay Is the

Re: [talk-ph] Reviving plan(s) for Tagaytay Mapping party

2009-04-30 Thread maning sambale
I suggest somewhere here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.102332lon=120.951185zoom=18layers=B000FTF We can choose among the restaurants there for the meeting place (one where there's beer and free wifi). Is it too crowded during weekends? @ ed: I posted the mapping party announcement in

Re: [talk-ph] Revisiting the admin_level values forboundary=administrative

2009-04-30 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi Marloue, Slightly off-topic question. Since you're from Davao City, are residents of the city adamant about insisting that Davao City is separate from Davao del Sur? *Some* people from Zamboanga City are positively vocal (and sometimes actually hostile!) whenever people say they are part of

Re: [talk-ph] Revisiting the admin_level values for boundary=administrative

2009-04-30 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi maning, For your second question, well Ian and I are already converting and implementing the borders in Metro Manila as relations (though the admin_levels are still not finalized). For example, see this relation for Brgy. Urdaneta in Makati: http://openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/103686 Or

Re: [talk-ph] Revisiting the admin_level values for boundary=administrative

2009-04-30 Thread maning sambale
Nice! I better start adding marikina boundaries then (well until we agree on the proposal) cheers, maning still at work! midway to finishing the image processing. For example, see this relation for Brgy. Urdaneta in Makati: http://openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/103686 Or this relation

[talk-ph] Chartered Cities

2009-04-30 Thread Marloue Pidor
I created a separate thread for this to give focus to the original topic. What I said is actually true, in March 1, 1937 (but Araw ng Dabaw is in March 16) Davao City is inaugurated by President Manuel L. Quezon as a chartered city by then Davao City is separated from Davao del Sur. Unlike Davao

Re: [talk-ph] Manila East Road, Manila North Road, Manila South Road

2009-04-30 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
I guess the DPWH is the agency that should know about these things? I'm not actually familiar with the Manila East,South,North road system. I'm just familiar (somewhat) with the Radial and Circumferential Road system of Metro Manila. As a bit of trivia, did you know that Republic Act No. 8224 (

Re: [talk-ph] Chartered Cities

2009-04-30 Thread Marloue Pidor
Eugene / seav, Yes, the southern part of Davao City and the northern part of Davao del Sur is the boundary in the province of Sta. Cruz. If you notice here http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=6.9742lon=125.3851zoom=12layers=B000FTF there is no boundary between Sta. Cruz and Davao City yet, I am looking

Re: [talk-ph] Manila East Road, Manila North Road, Manila South Road

2009-04-30 Thread Rally de Leon
This is interesting. Maybe we should compile these road (renaming) updates to get everybody informed (or at least understand the actions of MMDA as they don't tend to explain why they rename all those street signs). Does it mean that Katipunan Ave E.Rodriguez Ave (pasig) no longer exist? Are

Re: [talk-ph] Manila East Road, Manila North Road, Manila South Road

2009-04-30 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Well, you can actually see the MMDA signs side by side with Quezon City and Pasig City signs with conflicting names. In my experience, people will use whatever damned name they choose. So Katipunan Ave. will still be Katipunan Ave. no matter what the lawmakers say. And the LRT-1 station is still

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Mike Harris
At the risk of reopening earlier very lengthy discussions - this suggestion seems to me to be an unnecessary misuse of the tag highway=cycleway which has an accepted and fairly well agreed meaning. It also seems to be a prima facie case of tagging for the renderers! Surely it is the rendering that

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/4/30 Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com: At the risk of reopening earlier very lengthy discussions - this suggestion seems to me to be an unnecessary misuse of the tag highway=cycleway which has an accepted and fairly well agreed meaning. It also seems to be a prima facie case of tagging

Re: [OSM-talk] Zonal restrictions.

2009-04-30 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 29 April 2009, Tobias Knerr wrote: Kurt Roeckx schrieb: I'm looking for a way to map restrictions for a zone. This includes things like maxspeed, maxweight and parking restriction. I want to avoid having to place those tags on all the roads inside the zone, specially for

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread James Stewart
There are lots of paths that are primarily footpaths, but bikes can go on them. I think that cycleway is best kept for paths that are designed and designated for bicycles. For example in our local park bikes can go on all the paths, but there are some specific divided cycle paths too. (We

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Risk?! Misuse how? Dave My idea: highway=cycleway OR (highway=footway,bicycle=permissive) don't care which (so will be picked up by bike-orientated maps) *and* foot=designated designation=public_footpath so that foot orientated renderers like Freemap will pick it up as a public right of

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:36:43AM +0100, James Stewart wrote: There are lots of paths that are primarily footpaths, but bikes can go on them. I think that cycleway is best kept for paths that are designed and designated for bicycles. Sure. For example in our local park bikes can go on

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Mario Salvini
Jacek Konieczny schrieb: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:36:43AM +0100, James Stewart wrote: There are lots of paths that are primarily footpaths, but bikes can go on them. I think that cycleway is best kept for paths that are designed and designated for bicycles. Sure. For

[OSM-talk] Cloudmade Maps routing

2009-04-30 Thread Jonas Svensson
According to http://maps.cloudmade.com/ it is not possible to drive by car from Stensättaregatan (58.41685269735186 15.595479011535645) to Skräddaregatan (58.41647059846362 15.597131252288818). Is there some problem in the tagging of the streets or is it because the routing is a little too good at

[OSM-legal-talk] ODbL 1.0 Release Candidate now available

2009-04-30 Thread Mike Collinson
The new text is available at http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ and includes diff versions so that you can see clearly what changes are made. A summary of changes and the Open Data Commons comment process lasting up until May 6th is described here:

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] What is OSM and what isn't?

2009-04-30 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Moved to Talk. Jochen Topf wrote Sent: 30 April 2009 8:41 AM To: d...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-dev] What is OSM and what isn't? The discussion on using Cloudmade routing on the OSM website points to a deeper question: What is the OpenStreetMap project and how do we want to present it on

Re: [OSM-talk] Python API

2009-04-30 Thread Etienne Chové
Etienne Chové a écrit : Dears, I wrote a python class to communicate with OSM API (read, write, update). For interested users, informations are here [1]. May I put sources on the dev server ? Here it is : http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/src/modules/OsmApi.py -- Etienne

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Richard Mann
It comes down to what you think is meant by highway=cycleway. If you think that it means a cycle superhighway, then obviously you don't want to apply that to a shared-with-pedestrians route. But cycle superhighways are pretty rare, and highway=cycleway is used much more widely than that. I've come

Re: [OSM-talk] Zonal restrictions.

2009-04-30 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Greg Troxel and you define the relation to say that all ways in some area of some type should be in the relation. You try to use relations to define a category but : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Relations_are_not_Categories Pieren

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 01:10:13PM +0200, Mario Salvini wrote: If such paths are designated for foot ans bicyle as well, why don't you tag them both as designated? highway=path foot=designated bicycle=designated ( or footway +bicycle=designated or cycleway+foot=desiganted) I do that, when

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] What is OSM and what isn't?

2009-04-30 Thread Richard Mann
I feel like there's something slightly missing. Perhaps needs a mention of ever-more-accurate data, with the implication that it remains permanently and very-intentionally open to improvement by new people who see details that have been missed. I don't see OSM as providing data, more providing a

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Someoneelse
Richard Mann wrote: ... I've come to the view that cycleway should be used if someone's gone to the trouble to make it good enough to cycle on, and nobody's obviously objecting. I'd agree with that. As a non-cyclist I don't feel somehow discriminated against because somewhere that I walk

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] What is OSM and what isn't?

2009-04-30 Thread Nic Roets
Hi Jochen Andy, There is however a danger in leaving interpretation of the data solely to closed source projects (e.g. Cloudmade) : Because there is no agreement in the community on the exact meaning of many of our tags, it is possible that people may tag for the closed source project. Even

Re: [OSM-talk] Zonal restrictions.

2009-04-30 Thread Tobias Knerr
I'll focus on the coexistence vs. zone-only aspect, because most of the other problems can indeed be solved or mitigated by choosing a decent zone representation and throwing in some editor support and documentation. Ben Laenen wrote: - zonal mapping makes it more difficult to write software

[OSM-talk] toposm gets my vote for image of the week

2009-04-30 Thread maning sambale
Man! This should be a featured image: http://toposm.com/ma/?zoom=15lat=42.26621lon=-71.02104layers=B000 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog:

Re: [OSM-talk] Zonal restrictions.

2009-04-30 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 30 April 2009, you wrote: So you assume that well-designed, liberally licensed (!= GPL) Open Source libraries will exist for all major programming languages and platforms soon? Well, until then, I'll continue to assume that the goal of OSM data being used in creative and unexpected

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] What is OSM and what isn't?

2009-04-30 Thread Christoph Böhme
Hi everyone in my opinion OSM should not try to compete with mapping websites by offering more and more tools for using maps. This is because I think such an endeavour would have three problems: First, how to decide which of the hundreds of tools out there are integrated on the OSM website and

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Richard Mann
I'd support that highway=path needs to be rendered in the cycle map layer, especially now it's becoming clearer how it's being used (for raw paths as you describe them). The dark grey dashed lines in Mapnik seem a good starting point. If path was rendered then the problem kinda goes away - use

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] What is OSM and what isn't?

2009-04-30 Thread Alan Wright
Christoph Böhme wrote: Hi everyone in my opinion OSM should not try to compete with mapping websites by offering more and more tools for using maps. This is because I think such an endeavour would have three problems: First, how to decide which of the hundreds of tools out there are

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: I'd support that highway=path needs to be rendered in the cycle map layer, especially now it's becoming clearer how it's being used Every time it gets discussed, it becomes *less* clear how it's being

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] What is OSM and what isn't?

2009-04-30 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Alan Wright alanwright.a...@googlemail.com wrote: I think OpenStreetMap needs a shop window - perhaps a different website altogether. I disagree. OSM doesn't need a faked-up website to show what can be done. There's plenty of real places using the data for real

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
full ack some tags are too confusing ... on a lighter note: from tagwatch typo or protest against a very_horrible tag ;-) smoothmess horrible (4), impassable (1) On 30 Apr 2009, at 8:59 , Andy Allan wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Richard Mann

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 30 April 2009, Andy Allan wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: I'd support that highway=path needs to be rendered in the cycle map layer, especially now it's becoming clearer how it's being used Every time it gets

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag oneway exceptions? Oneway except residents?

2009-04-30 Thread Paul Johnson
Eddy Petrișor wrote: Paul Johnson a scris: Ben Laenen wrote: On Sunday 26 April 2009, Tobias Knerr wrote: Renaud MICHEL schrieb: I didn't find an answer in the wiki, how should I tag roads that are one way for motorized vehicles but two way for bicycle? The documented and established way to

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Martin Simon
2009/4/30, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: Every time it gets discussed, it becomes *less* clear how it's being used to me. And I'm mightily concerned that the 10 people discussing it on these lists might be in no way representative of the 14,990 people who are mapping paths and aren't

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] What is OSM and what isn't?

2009-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Alan Wright wrote: I'm not only thinking of the standard slippy-map, but contour layers, routing, poi's, etc, etc. Contrary to what some people make you believe, OSM does not have contour layers or elevation data. There's much talk about a possible sister project (open elevation map?

Re: [OSM-talk] German Shapefile, federal states?

2009-04-30 Thread Torsten Mohr
Ouch, that's bad. i thought they'd contain some actual data, size implied that. I wonder if anybody knows a way to render the 16 German federal states (Bundesländer)? Actually that's what i want to do in the end.. Is there a way to find out what is in a Shapefile? Like that i can write

Re: [OSM-talk] German Shapefile, federal states?

2009-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Torsten Mohr wrote: Is there a way to find out what is in a Shapefile? Use a GIS program like QGIS to open and display the shapefile and you can see what's there! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Mike Harris
Fully agree - and this seems to be in the spirit of most current practice ... Mike Harris -Original Message- From: James Stewart [mailto:j.k.stew...@ed.ac.uk] Sent: 30 April 2009 11:37 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes There are

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Mike Harris
Mario - perhaps inadvertently, but importantly - raises a separate issue for those of us who like the tag designation= . This tag is afaik a more recent introduction than designated= . Although the intention was much the same in each case the wiki descriptions are subtly different. My personal

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Mike Harris
... Part way with James but recognising Jacek's point it would need adding bicycle=permissive or bicycle=yes as appropriate so that the cycle renderers pick up. Where appropriate (e.g. often in the UK) the use of designation=public_footpath (meaning that the default is bicycle=no unless

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Mike Harris
Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:gravityst...@gmail.com] Sent: 30 April 2009 17:00 To: Richard Mann Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Richard Mann

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Mike Harris
I could more or less go with this too - but perhaps only if we could adopt more widely the use of designation= (or designated= - see earlier post!) to allow the definition of legal status (mostly in the UK admittedly) for those of us who are public rights of way workers. Is there a case for adding

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Mike Harris
... Hmm! Interesting alternative approach ... Not sure what I think ... Worth discussing ... By now everyone who cares knows that I like the designation= tag as it solves a lot of problems for me but that is equally compatible with Ben's approach as with any other. Mike Harris -Original

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Hillsman, Edward
I'm one of the people mapping paths (since March) who scans this list, and I have to say that I'm confused. Although part of that may be because I'm new to OSM and not just to the matter of how to deal with tagging and rendering things. And part of that may because a lot of the tagging conventions

[OSM-talk] Mapping Sundderland - Venue confirmed!

2009-04-30 Thread Gregory
Hi all, Andy has sorted out a venue for the Sunderland Mapping Party this weekend. It's a couple of miles North on the seafront of Seaburn. Saturday 2nd Sunday 4th May Approx. 10am to 5pm each day Marriott Hotel, Queens Parade, Sunderland, SR6 8DB Phone: 44 191 5292041. Map

Re: [OSM-talk] German Shapefile, federal states?

2009-04-30 Thread Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
Hello, Torsten. I think the 16 german federal states (lander) are available as a shapefile in lots of different places. Here is one example: http://wetnet.net/~we7u/xastir/maps/shapefile/Germany/ That is a shapefile (compressed) with 16 polygons, and you also have the population and

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] What is OSM and what isn't?

2009-04-30 Thread Alan Wright
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Alan Wright alanwright.a...@googlemail.com wrote: I think OpenStreetMap needs a shop window - perhaps a different website altogether. I disagree. OSM doesn't need a faked-up website to show what can be done. There's plenty of real places using the data for

Re: [OSM-talk] toposm gets my vote for image of the week

2009-04-30 Thread OJ W
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_image_proposals#TopOSM On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:27 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Man!  This should be a featured image: http://toposm.com/ma/?zoom=15lat=42.26621lon=-71.02104layers=B000

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] What is OSM and what isn't?

2009-04-30 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Alan Wright wrote: Sent: 30 April 2009 9:43 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] What is OSM and what isn't? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Alan Wright alanwright.a...@googlemail.com wrote: I think OpenStreetMap needs a shop window - perhaps a different website

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping Sundderland - Venue confirmed!

2009-04-30 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Just a small correction to Gregory's note, Sunday is of course May 3rd. Hope to see some of you on Sat or Sun. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Gregory Sent: 30 April 2009 7:56 PM To: Talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Paul Johnson
Richard Mann wrote: Why not tag it as a cycleway? Then it will display as a cycleway. How is it different from anything else that might be tagged as a cycleway? At least when I'm trying to decide, I ask two questions: 1) Does it allow bicycles, and 2) Is it wide enough for two cyclists going

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Paul Johnson
Richard Mann wrote: It comes down to what you think is meant by highway=cycleway. If you think that it means a cycle superhighway, then obviously you don't want to apply that to a shared-with-pedestrians route. Depends on jurisdiction, of course. One problem OSM has with handling Oregon and

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Paul Johnson
Jacek Konieczny wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 01:10:13PM +0200, Mario Salvini wrote: If such paths are designated for foot ans bicyle as well, why don't you tag them both as designated? highway=path foot=designated bicycle=designated ( or footway +bicycle=designated or

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - surface_unification

2009-04-30 Thread Per
Proposal page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/surface_unification Proposal discussion http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/surface_unification Please read the talk-page before commenting on this! Introduction: This proposal should improve the current

[OSM-talk] mapof / osmarender export broken

2009-04-30 Thread Stefan Baebler
MapOf [1], which is called from the export tab on the main map page, currently only produces an error instead of nice, big Osmarender maps. Stefan [1] http://tah.openstreetmap.org/MapOf/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] What is OSM and what isn't?

2009-04-30 Thread Stephan Plepelits
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 08:22:42PM +0200, Colin Marquardt wrote: 2009/4/30 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: Stephan Plepelits wrote: In my opionion we should produce a page with featured applications, with a link from the mainpage (before Help Wiki i would propose). Last year

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] dorpscentrum verzopen

2009-04-30 Thread YRS
Lennard schreef: YRS wrote: Weet iemand waarom Mapnik ons dorpcentrum ineens laat onderlopen? Het is door een soort eiland doordat de omsluitenden vaarten op elkaar uit Het is waarschijnlijk een van de verschijnselen van het proces van snel updaten van de kaart. Een van de

[talk-au] Copyright ruling on compiled lists

2009-04-30 Thread mattwh...@iinet.net.au
While this may not change to much in AU for OSM, it's still an interesting ruling - particuarly the possible future review of the Telstra v Desktop Marketing decision. IceTV won their appeal against Channel 9 over the reuse of 9's TV guide.

Re: [Talk-de] Maxspeed map

2009-04-30 Thread SteMo
Hallo Allerseits, bin neu hier und lese jetzt erst ein paar Tage mit. Mario Salvini schrieb, am 29.04.2009 2:55 Uhr: [...] außerdem gibts in Zone-30 Bereichen eigentlich keine extra ausgeführten benutzungspflichtigen Radwege ;) Das stimmt so in keinem Fall pauschal. In HH gibt eine

Re: [Talk-de] Maxspeed map

2009-04-30 Thread SteMo
Guenther Meyer schrieb, am 29.04.2009 0:00 Uhr: Am Dienstag 28 April 2009 schrieb Florian Lohoff: was spricht dagegen, das gleich entsprechend mit z.B. maxspeed=50 oder maxspeed=100 zu taggen? wozu ein zusaetzlicher key? Der punkt ist das ein maxspeed=100 auf der Landstraße von einem Keine

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenz: ODbL 1.0 release can didate veröffentlicht

2009-04-30 Thread Sven Anders
Am Donnerstag, 30. April 2009 01:12:17 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Aus der Frage was ist mit der internationalen Gueltigkeit besonders in Laendern ohne Datenbank-Direktive haben sich die ODC-Leute etwas herausgewunden, siehe http://www.opendatacommons.org/faq/licenses/ - das Argument geht etwa

Re: [Talk-de] Autobahnauffahrt

2009-04-30 Thread Ulf Lamping
Garry schrieb: Was bitte spricht dagegen,*eine* Fahrbahn [1] auch als *einen* way zu mappen, wie es bei Openstreetmap schon seit Ewigkeiten üblich ist? Es ist bei OSM genauso auch schon seit Ewigkeiten üblich Autobahnaufahrten getrennt zu erfassen! Und das kommt doch genau daher, weil sich

[Talk-de] Interview für Zeit-Online

2009-04-30 Thread Sven Anders
Moin, hab vor kurzen eine Interview für Zeit Online gegeben. Ihr findet es unter: http://www.zeit.de/online/2009/18/openstreetmap-anders Hoffe ich hab nicht zuviel blödsinn erzählt. Insbesondere ist das mit dem Fossgis nicht ganz so rübergekommen wie ich es mir gewünscht (= Der Fossgis ist

Re: [Talk-de] Autobahnauffahrt

2009-04-30 Thread Martin Simon
Am 30.04.09 schrieb Garry garr...@gmx.de: Darin dass man dafür sorge tragen muss dass nicht gleich wieder am Berührungspunkt von der Auffahrt auf die Einfahrt geroutet werden kann, die optische Kontrolle ist aufwendiger, in den Anwendungen muss mehr Aufwand getrieben werden für eine

Re: [Talk-de] OePNV-Workshop in Karlsruhe

2009-04-30 Thread Gerrit Lammert
Tobias Wendorff wrote: Frederik Ramm schrieb: Wenn sich jemand fuer das Thema besonders interessiert, lohnt sich sicher auch die Anreise von etwas weiter weg - ggf. helfen wir gern bei der Vermittlung einer Uebernachtungsmoeglichkeit. Wäre eventuell auch ein LiveStream mit Webcam und Chat

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderkarte tot?

2009-04-30 Thread Nop
Hallo! Die Wanderkarte ist vorübergehend offline. Wird wohl ein paar Tage dauern bis sie auf ein neues Webhosting umgezogen ist. bye Nop ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Autobahnauffahrt

2009-04-30 Thread Tobias Knerr
Martin Simon schrieb: Keine Anwendung sollte derart scharfes Abbiegen von motorway_link auf motorway_link erlauben - allein schon um fehlerhafte Daten abzufangen. Die hellsehende Anwendung als Lösung aller Probleme, prima. Einfacher wäre es vielleicht, das existierende Abbiegeverbot auch

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenz: ODbL 1.0 release can didate veröffentlicht

2009-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Sven Anders wrote: Ist denn z.B. die GPL in allen Teilen der Welt verbindlich? Vermutlich nicht. Aber die GPL hat (soweit ich weiss) uns gegenueber den Vorteil, dass sie in grossen Teilen der Welt auf Copyright gestuetzt sein kann. Wenn jemand in Nordkorea die GPL verletzt und ein

Re: [Talk-de] Maxspeed map

2009-04-30 Thread Mario Salvini
Guenther Meyer schrieb: Am Mittwoch 29 April 2009 schrieb Mario Salvini: Guenther Meyer schrieb: Am Mittwoch 29 April 2009 schrieb André Reichelt: Stefan Dettenhofer (StefanDausR) schrieb: maxspeed=motorway:DE Ist die angabe des Straßentypes denn

Re: [Talk-de] Maxspeed map

2009-04-30 Thread Mario Salvini
SteMo schrieb: Hallo Allerseits, bin neu hier und lese jetzt erst ein paar Tage mit. Mario Salvini schrieb, am 29.04.2009 2:55 Uhr: [...] außerdem gibts in Zone-30 Bereichen eigentlich keine extra ausgeführten benutzungspflichtigen Radwege ;) Das stimmt so in keinem

Re: [Talk-de] Maxspeed map

2009-04-30 Thread Stefan Dettenhofer (StefanDausR)
Mario Salvini schrieb: Sind die gelben Autobahnen nicht auch klar/eindeutig über highway=trunk + motorroad=yes zu erkennen? Könnte man auch als eindeutiges Kriterium deklarieren. Überall da wo highway=motorway ODER highway=trunk + motorroad=yes UND kein maxspeed-Tag gilt --

Re: [Talk-de] os bugs

2009-04-30 Thread Jens Herrmann
Gary68 wrote: aber: trotz des letzten rekords ein neuer höchststand bei den offenen bugs... Wobei anzumerken wäre dass es sich bei einem großen Teil davon gar nicht um bugs im eigentlichen Sinne handelt. Hier in meiner Gegend handelt es sich oft nur um Kommentare ala hier wird Ende 2009

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenz: ODbL 1.0 release candidat e veröffentlicht

2009-04-30 Thread Stefan Schwan
Hallo! Am 30. April 2009 01:12 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Aus der Frage was ist mit der internationalen Gueltigkeit besonders in Laendern ohne Datenbank-Direktive haben sich die ODC-Leute etwas herausgewunden, siehe http://www.opendatacommons.org/faq/licenses/ - das Argument

Re: [Talk-de] Maxspeed map

2009-04-30 Thread Marc Schütz
So verkommt der maxspeed - tag zur Bedeutungslosigkeit weil jeder was neues dazu erfindet und die Anwendungen gar nicht so schnell hinterherkommen die neuen Tags zu erlernen um noch was sinnvolles damit anfangen zu können... Um so besser - dann entsteht wenigsten gar nicht erst

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenz: ODbL 1.0 release candidat e veröffentlicht

2009-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Stefan Schwan wrote: If this is of concern to you your only real alternative is to not make the database available ..ist dann schlüssig (und kein herumwinden) wenn man zum einen bejaht das man eine Lizenz (also kein PD) möchte, und zum anderen einsieht, dass es Ecken auf dieser Welt

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenz: ODbL 1.0 release candidat e veröffentlicht

2009-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Frederik Ramm wrote: (*) Es braucht dazu nicht einmal einen Schurkenstaat. Es gibt bereits OSMer, die aus Protest angekuendigt haben, das Planetfile Vertragsabschluss-Klausel weiterzuverteilen. Dies waere zwar ein ^--- ohne Bye Frederik

Re: [Talk-de] os bugs

2009-04-30 Thread Gary68
hi. tja, die bugs bekomme ich ja von einer anderen quelle. mitja baut das aber gerade neu, evtl. kann er sowas noch einbauen. ciao gerhard On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 12:44 +0200, Jens Herrmann wrote: Gary68 wrote: aber: trotz des letzten rekords ein neuer höchststand bei den offenen bugs...

Re: [Talk-de] Maxspeed map

2009-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 30. April 2009 12:26 schrieb Mario Salvini salv...@t-online.de: Überall da wo highway=motorway ODER highway=trunk + motorroad=yes UND kein maxspeed-Tag gilt -- maxspeed=unlimited=no=none das gilt weiterhin auch überall dort, wo Du ausserorts baulich getrennte Spuren und keine explizite

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenz: ODbL 1.0 release candidat e veröffentlicht

2009-04-30 Thread Stefan Schwan
Hallo, Am 30. April 2009 13:31 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Um die Tatsache, dass es mit dem Vertragskonstrukt - im Gegensatz zum Copyright-/DB-Recht-Konstrukt - moeglich sein koennte, unsere Lizenz beim Transit durch einen Schurkenstaat (*) wegzuwaschen und danach ein

[Talk-de] jOSM: java.lang.NullPointException

2009-04-30 Thread Raimond Spekking
Moin, mit JOSM 1565 unter WinXP (und auch MacOSX) bekommt ich beim Hochladen einer größeren Bearbeitung einen Abbruch mit dem Fehler java.lang.NullPointException. Kleine Bearbeitungen kann ich nach wie vor hochladen. Ein Versuch mit der letzte JOSM Stable 1529 brachte auch einen Abbruch, aber

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenz: ODbL 1.0 release candidat e veröffentlicht

2009-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 30. April 2009 09:02 schrieb Sven Anders s...@anders-hamburg.de: Führt vielleicht zu weit: Kann ich nicht eine ausgediente Bohrinsel irgendwo im Atlantik kaufen und dort mein eigenes Land mit eigenen Gesetzen ausrufen? im Prinzip ja, praktisch aber nicht so relevant, da Du für echte

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenz: ODbL 1.0 release candidat e veröffentlicht

2009-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 30. April 2009 13:11 schrieb Stefan Schwan stefan.sch...@googlemail.com: Wenn es weder Copyright, noch DB-Direktive gibt, dann ist es um den Rechtsstaat eines Landes offenbar nicht sonderlich gut bestellt. Das ist eine Ideologiefrage, die obige Aussage kann man m.E. so nicht stehen lassen.

Re: [Talk-de] jOSM: java.lang.NullPointException

2009-04-30 Thread Mario Salvini
Raimond Spekking schrieb: Moin, mit JOSM 1565 unter WinXP (und auch MacOSX) bekommt ich beim Hochladen einer größeren Bearbeitung einen Abbruch mit dem Fehler java.lang.NullPointException. Kleine Bearbeitungen kann ich nach wie vor hochladen. Ein Versuch mit der letzte JOSM Stable 1529

[Talk-de] web stat www.gary68.de

2009-04-30 Thread Gary68
hi, mal ein paar daten, wen's interessiert: - die web site hat diesen monat ~10GB transfer gehabt - unangefochten interessieren sich die meisten leute für die slippy mit den unmapped places (246 hits) - danach kommen diesen monat die relation checks (215) - relation diffs (170) - oberpfalz stat

Re: [Talk-de] Aufkleber?

2009-04-30 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: das stimmt nicht. Siebdruck ist nicht nur schöner, sondern auch deutlich aufwendiger (man braucht ein Sieb für jede Farbe), man kann dafür aber richtig gute Farbe benutzen, die perfekt wasserfest und UV-resistent ist und daher weder ausbleicht noch verwäscht etc.

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenz: ODbL 1.0 release candidat e veröffentlicht

2009-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Stefan Schwan wrote: Wenn ich morgen jemand auf meinem Fahrrad durch die Stadt fahren sehe, dann verlange ich das zurück - auch wenn der Fahrer nachweisen kann, dass er es aus dem Urlaub im Schurkenstaat mitgebracht, oder auf dem Flohmarkt gekauft hat. Da hast Du das Gesetz auf Deiner

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenz: ODbL 1.0 release can didate veröffentlicht

2009-04-30 Thread Rainer Knaepper
Moin Frederik, * Die Sache mit dem oder eine neuere Version der Lizenz wurde insofern praezisiert, als dass da nun steht eine neuere Version, die dem Geiste dieser Lizenz entspricht; warum macht man dort denselben Fehler wie in der gfdl? Diese any- later-Klausel ist im deutschen (auch CH und

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenz: ODbL 1.0 release can didate veröffentlicht

2009-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Rainer Knaepper wrote: * Die Sache mit dem oder eine neuere Version der Lizenz wurde insofern praezisiert, als dass da nun steht eine neuere Version, die dem Geiste dieser Lizenz entspricht; warum macht man dort denselben Fehler wie in der gfdl? Diese any- later-Klausel ist im

Re: [Talk-de] Autobahnauffahrt

2009-04-30 Thread Martin Simon
Am 30. April 2009 10:23 schrieb Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Die hellsehende Anwendung als Lösung aller Probleme, prima. Einfacher wäre es vielleicht, das existierende Abbiegeverbot auch einzutragen. Dann gibts nämlich kein Gerate mehr, sondern eine klare Aussage: hier nicht reinfahren.

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Lizenz: ODbL 1.0 release can didate veröffentlicht

2009-04-30 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Alles in allem scheint mir diese 1.0-Version eine vernuenftige Weiterentwicklung auf dem ODbL-Weg zu sein - wenn man den Weg denn ueberhaupt insgesamt fuer den richtigen haelt. Ich finde das alles komplett überbewertet, solange nicht klar ist, ob unsere Daten überhaupt

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