Re: [talk-ph] Aug 22-23: OSM Website and API unavailable. Power upgrades at host.

2009-08-13 Thread Jim Morgan
Also, in case you missed it, the recent typhoon took out a cable in Taiwan, which has made the internet even slower than usual in the Philippines. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/170126/typhoon_morakot_severs_three_undersea_internet_cables.html maning sambale wrote, On Thursday,

Re: [talk-ph] bulk editing address info in POIs

2009-08-13 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Here's my two cents regarding this: I don't favor using addr:city, addr:village, is_in to specify where a POI is. Here are the cons: 1. Duplication of info with admin borders (and potential mismatch issues) 2. Increased data size with respect to tags (which makes planet dumps larger) On the

Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hmmm, I think the guys from the Tagalog Wikipedia can help since they've been translating interface texts in TranslateWiki. This is a simple though labor-intensive task. By this time, most of the languages below should have short articles about each country in their respective Wikipedias. The

Re: [talk-ph] bulk editing address info in POIs

2009-08-13 Thread maning sambale
I don't favor using addr:city, addr:village, is_in to specify where a POI is. Here are the cons: 1. Duplication of info with admin borders (and potential mismatch issues) I agree, my previous address edits includes only housenumbers and associated street. And then I added the admin_level

Re: [talk-ph] bulk editing address info in POIs

2009-08-13 Thread maning sambale
To correct myself: I am not against ditching the is_in tag, I am not in favor of ditching the is_in tag On 8/14/09, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I don't favor using addr:city, addr:village, is_in to specify where a POI is. Here are the cons: 1. Duplication of info with

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Morten Kjeldgaardm...@bioxray.au.dk wrote: I think it is time to separate tagging of traffic laws into a separate namespace from purely geographical map features. The information is useful, but the current concept of OSM tagging is not designed to deal with it

[OSM-talk] Tag official_name ? (was Multilingual Country-List)

2009-08-13 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:08 AM, andrzej zaborowskibalr...@gmail.com wrote: The instructions at the top of the pages could also mention the official_name:* tags - I don't know if these are approved in any way but I found they were on some of the nodes and I thought it was a good idea to

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Nop
Hi! This discussion seems to be going the same way as it always does - in circles. :-) So I'd like to try again for a more general statement and summary. The need for change First of all, we would need to agree that there actually is a problem and that we need to (re)define something to

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Nopekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: The need for change First of all, we would need to agree that there actually is a problem and that we need to (re)define something to clarify it. There have again been many mails along the line It is easy and can all be done

[OSM-talk] Incorrectly tagged place=country nodes

2009-08-13 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
The multilingual-country-list[1] tool reveals a bunch of nodes that are tagged place=country but aren't so by anyone's definition. For example the uninhabited Bassas da India atoll[2]. There are also various overseas territories of the UK which should probably use some other tagging to

Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 60, Issue 79

2009-08-13 Thread Mike Harris
Just to confuse matters further: In England: Cyclists are forbidden on public footpaths (a legally defined term that is not synonymous with path or footpath). There is no signage indicating this - it is just the law. However, a landowner may permit cyclists - without giving them any rights. This

Re: [OSM-talk] Crazy routing in OpenRouteService

2009-08-13 Thread Pascal Neis
Hi Steve, Steve Hill schrieb: A recent purchase of an Android phone has lead me to play with AndNav2 and OpenRouteService. However, in some cases I get some unexpectedly crazy routes. OpenRouteService doesn't seem to understand the highway=road tag. So presumably if your destination

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Mike Harris
Roy wrote Which do you think more appropriately separates legal issues from geographical map features, the highway=path or highway=footway/cycleway scheme? I would say 'neither' - use the designated tag for the legal designation and something else (I dare not say what!) for the geographical

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Mike Harris
... and in England you are forbidden to cycle on all designated footways unless explicitly allowed! It neatly makes the point about regional differences. Mike Harris _ From: Gustav Foseid [mailto:gust...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 19:04 To: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: Re:

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Mike Harris
Useful summary (wish I had seen it before I just posted mine!) ... I agree - mostly - with unjoining designated in solution 1 ... I am less happy with introducing =official as we already seem to have made some recent progress in Ekkehart's direction with the use of designated. Mike Harris

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread James Livingston
On 12/08/2009, at 10:38 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: But if there is no default for foot, then what is routing software to do? If it uses the way, the default is yes, and if doesn't, it's no. So the notion of no default does not make at lot of sense to me. ... With highway=path, the wiki

[OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-13 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Hi, What might be an unambiguous way to tell that some cycleway is NOT designated? In theory if bicycle=designated means what it says then bicycle=yes might mean that yes, it is a cycleway, but no, it is not a designated cycleway. However, I feel that bicycle=yes means more often that nobody has

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-13 Thread Jochen Topf
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:58:36PM +0200, Lambert Carsten wrote: That often leads to inconsistencies, but inconsistent is not necessarily bad. Exactly, no need to 'force' junctions to have connecting roads on the same layer. If you really believe in the 'middle of the junction theory' let

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Liz
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Pieren wrote: No, there is no problem if you accept that some values are implied by default for the whole world (e.g. foot=no for highway=motorway) and some need a default value by country/region which can be documented on the wiki (highway=cycleway + foot=yes/no).

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Maarten Deen schrieb: Peter Körner wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. To get an overview over the status and make

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/13 Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de: Proposal #2: Introduce offical dedication Leave old tags as they are and accept that foot/cycleway and designated are as fuzzy as described above. Clarify that these tags only give information on possible use, but not about the legal situation. Introduce a new

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread David Earl
I'm afraid I have just been completely overwhelmed by this thread and the other similar ones over the last couple of weeks while trying to have a life too. I am also conscious that it is a discussion that reignites in different guises every few months. I apologise if I'm repeating what's

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Richard Mann
I think the underlying problem with path is that it creates overlapping definitions. Among data users there is a strong preference for tag combinations to be hierarchical, and I think that preference is reasonable. While having to deal with doctor and doctors is only a mild pain, trying to deal

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
On 13/08/2009, at 10.20, Roy Wallace wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Morten Kjeldgaardm...@bioxray.au.dk wrote: I think it is time to separate tagging of traffic laws into a separate namespace from purely geographical map features. The information is useful, but the current

[OSM-talk] Country-specific defaults/values (was: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway)

2009-08-13 Thread Tobias Knerr
David Earl wrote: My feeling is that what we are missing is largely country-specific defaults. Or rather we have failed to recognise this in the documentation, but it is what pretty much everyone is doing in practice already, and that's got a lot going for it. If cycleway does mean

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-13 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Thursday 13 August 2009 00:31:23 Lauri Kytömaa wrote: Lambert Carsten wrote: sense. Even though the smaller road ends at the edge of the larger road not the middle of the road. Inside the crossing area the roads overlap, neither ends there - you're on both roads. But you're not on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Country-specific defaults/values (was: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway)

2009-08-13 Thread Richard Mann
Neither is acceptable. How long do you want style-sheets to get? Plus - what languages are all these tags going to be documented in? How many languages do I have to read to make sense of them all? Somehow we need to get to a common-enough definition that we can all live with. Which is not to

Re: [OSM-talk] Country-specific defaults/values

2009-08-13 Thread Tobias Knerr
Richard Mann wrote: Neither is acceptable. How long do you want style-sheets to get? A list of values mapped to a certain style doesn't strike me as particularly complicated to implement. Especially as these lists can be compiled with the help of national communities. I assume if you set up a

Re: [OSM-talk] Incorrectly tagged place=country nodes

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb: The multilingual-country-list[1] tool reveals a bunch of nodes that are tagged place=country but aren't so by anyone's definition. For example the uninhabited Bassas da India atoll[2]. There are also various overseas territories of the UK which should

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-13 Thread Tobias Knerr
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Therefore I would explicitly recommend that the way starts at the turn-stile following the direction of passing through it, as you will never turn back once passed, while you might always turn back before you pass it. You can add this to the wiki as a recommendation

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag official_name ? (was Multilingual Country-List)

2009-08-13 Thread Cartinus
On Thursday 13 August 2009 10:56:03 Pieren wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:08 AM, andrzej zaborowskibalr...@gmail.com wrote: The instructions at the top of the pages could also mention the official_name:* tags - I don't know if these are approved in any way but I found they were on some

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag official_name ? (was Multilingual Country-List)

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Pieren schrieb: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:08 AM, andrzej zaborowskibalr...@gmail.com wrote: The instructions at the top of the pages could also mention the official_name:* tags - I don't know if these are approved in any way but I found they were on some of the nodes and I thought it was a

Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group

2009-08-13 Thread Nick Black
Hi Guys, Its time to jump-start the Local Chapters working group. Jochen has kindly revamped the wiki page ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters) so if you have interest in a local chapter, please read it and add your details to the relevant section. I'm proposing having

Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group

2009-08-13 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Nick Black wrote: * Give potential Local Chapter leaders and other community members the change to discuss the proposed agreement My biggest concern now is the mixture of not-for-profit and democratically lead organisation. It is a big concern for me that the actual

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Jonas Häggqvist
Peter Körner wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. If you need help translating country names for your language and

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns
Also unicode CLDR is good source. http://cldr.unicode.org/ Lauris 2009/8/13 Jonas Häggqvist ras...@rasher.dk: Peter Körner wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns
To be more explicit see this link: http://unicode.org/cldr/data/common/main/ Lauris 2009/8/13 Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns lafr...@gmail.com: Also unicode CLDR is good source. http://cldr.unicode.org/ Lauris 2009/8/13 Jonas Häggqvist ras...@rasher.dk: Peter Körner wrote: Hello OSM folks

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Jonas Häggqvist schrieb: Peter Körner wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. If you need help translating country

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Tom Hughes
On 13/08/09 16:50, Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns wrote: Also unicode CLDR is good source. http://cldr.unicode.org/ My reading of the terms of use says we probably can't use it as it requires that the copyright notice remains attached to any copies of the data. Tom -- Tom Hughes

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns
To me it seems standard MIT license. Maybe someone could contact them about country name data import into OSM and ask special permision? Lauris 2009/8/13 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu: On 13/08/09 16:50, Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns wrote: Also unicode CLDR is good source. http://cldr.unicode.org/

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/8/13 Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns lafr...@gmail.com: To me it seems standard MIT license. Maybe someone could contact them about country name data import into OSM and ask special permision? There are probably more complete sources like the wikipedia page titles which the toolserver page even

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Norbert Hoffmann
David Earl wrote: So I say: keep it simple, keep it compatible. Carry on with the simple, established tags we already have, but just clarify the default use classes which apply to each highway tag, PER COUNTRY, and tag exceptions to these according to evidence on the ground. Add specific legal

Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group

2009-08-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Stefan de Konink wrote: For this legal reason Stichting Vrijschrift or Stichting OpenGeo could never apply. Hence there are no 30 members and even with 30 contributors their is no democratic saying on anything. I think this only shows that we must not carve any rules in stone -

[OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread David Earl
On 13/08/2009 18:20, Norbert Hoffmann wrote: David Earl wrote: So I say: keep it simple, keep it compatible. Carry on with the simple, established tags we already have, but just clarify the default use classes which apply to each highway tag, PER COUNTRY, and tag exceptions to these

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
andrzej zaborowski schrieb: 2009/8/13 Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns lafr...@gmail.com: To me it seems standard MIT license. Maybe someone could contact them about country name data import into OSM and ask special permision? There are probably more complete sources like the wikipedia page titles

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Alex Mauer
On 08/13/2009 01:24 PM, David Earl wrote: realise we are missing a use case (say we discover motorways in Ecuador permit learner drivers to use them [please don't tell me this isn't the case - it's only an example]) we have to add tags to every other highway you don't even have to go that far

Re: [OSM-talk] [Maps-l] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Maarten Dammers schrieb: Hi Peter, Peter Körner schreef: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. I see you created your

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread David Lynch
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 13:37, Alex Mauerha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 08/13/2009 01:24 PM, David Earl wrote: realise we are missing a use case (say we discover motorways in Ecuador permit learner drivers to use them [please don't tell me this isn't the case - it's only an example]) we have

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:24 PM, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: So what you're saying is that - each editor and data consumer has to have its own set of national rules and defaults rather than defining them centrally (so inevitably they'll end up different); - we have to

[OSM-talk] Tibetan characters

2009-08-13 Thread Markus Lindholm
I thought I'd spend some time on adding name:bo (i.e. in Tibetan) tags for places in Tibet. I was thinking of copy-pasting the place names from Wikipedia (guess that's ok), as my knowledge in Tibetan is just as limited as everybody else's. It's just that I can't find a way to enter Tibetan text. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group

2009-08-13 Thread Liz
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Nick Black wrote: I'm proposing having an open call on Monday 17th August at 6pm BST at which anyone interested can talk through their comments or concerns, as we did in Amsterdam during SOTM. I know that this is short notice and that 6pm BST doesn't work for a lot of

Re: [OSM-talk] Country-specific defaults/values (was: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway)

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Tobias Knerro...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: David Earl wrote: If cycleway does mean something different in Germany than it means in UK, why do we try to use the same tag/value in the first place? Why don't we use, e.g., Radweg for Germany? (Or differentiate with

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Maarten Deen
Peter Körner wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. To get an overview over the status and make translating those

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Maarten Deen schrieb: Peter Körner wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. To get an overview over the status and make

Re: [OSM-talk] Country-specific defaults/values (was: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway)

2009-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/13 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com: Neither is acceptable. How long do you want style-sheets to get? Plus - what languages are all these tags going to be documented in? How many languages do I have to read to make sense of them all? Somehow we need to get to a

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Richard Mannrichard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: The deprecation of footway/cycleway was voted on (by not many people, but nevertheless), and the deprecation was rejected, but some people don't seem to be able to take no for an answer. It was? Maybe

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:33 PM, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: So my feeling is we should document what collection of users a particular highway tag applies to by default IN EACH COUNTRY (including things like under 12 or not on a Sunday if that's the normal situation). Then

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Norbert Hoffmannnhoffm...@spamfence.net wrote: I say: forget all defaults and store all those values in the database. Those only partly documented defaults are the cause of the discussed problems. +1. Everyone seems to agree that the current use of

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Norbert Hoffmann
David Earl wrote: So what you're saying is that - each editor and data consumer has to have its own set of national rules and defaults rather than defining them centrally (so inevitably they'll end up different); The editors must have some way to set defaults, the consumers will get a full

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Roy Wallacewaldo000...@gmail.com wrote: You seem to be implying that increasing the amount of data in OSM is a bad thing??? If it is millions time the same thing, yes. Look another thread speaking about TIGER import clean-up. Of course, llama access

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/13 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: How do you know what is legal vs conventional? Except if you are in a privileged position, it can only be from evidence on the ground, in which case what would you do different in most cases? I don't think it requires a privileged position in a

Re: [OSM-talk] Country-specific defaults/values

2009-08-13 Thread Tobias Knerr
Roy Wallace wrote: Differentiate with prefixes? Messy... If cycleway means A in Germany and B somewhere else, then cycleway is not a good tag. Instead, we should explicitly tag A where it applies and tag B where it applies. This would mean to totally get away from the concept of highway

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Nopekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: First of all, we would need to agree that there actually is a problem and that we need to (re)define something to clarify it. There have again been many mails along the line It is easy and can all be done following existing

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Pierenpier...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, llama access restrictions probably aren't a top priority, but it IS a GOOD THING to have llama restrictions in the database. Yes, it is. In PERU. I'd be quite happy to know whether I can ride my llama down my street

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Jukka Rahkonenjukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi wrote: Hi, What might be an unambiguous way to tell that some cycleway is NOT designated? In theory if bicycle=designated means what it says then bicycle=yes might mean that yes, it is a cycleway, but no, it is not a

Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group

2009-08-13 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Jueves, 13 de Agosto de 2009, Liz escribió: I can't even decide if I don't know BST so could you tell us in UTC too? BST = British Summer Time = UTC+1 So, 6 PM BST = 17:00 UTC. -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es mE ENCANTA CUANDO NO ME DOY

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Peter Körner schrieb: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. To get an overview over the status and make translating those

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Absolutely true: explicit in the wiki ;-) We have a database, let's populate it. The wiki is to help instruct people how to best populate the database - it should not be a part of the database itself. but this is not real map-information but it is

Re: [OSM-talk] tag proposal surface=gravel; concrete; dirt; grass

2009-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/13 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com: surface earth Probably the same as surface=ground should be change to the same as surface=dirt yes, clean up a little bit: dirt, mud, earth, ground seem all the same to me (I personally prefer ground). ... and it is NOT assumed

[OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?

2009-08-13 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
I realized when mapping today that it would be very useful to have a set of OSM status POIs that you could use to mark the status of the mapping at certain places. I find I sometimes have to skip roads, tracks or paths, because I am too tired, don't have time, or that I'm going at good

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Nop
Hi! Roy Wallace schrieb: If footway/cycleway is fuzzy in terms of current usage (and I believe it is), then +1. But I would personally prefer that designated mean signed. This stays true to mapping what is on the ground, and separates legal issues from geographical/physical features, as

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?

2009-08-13 Thread Peter Körner
Morten Kjeldgaard schrieb: I realized when mapping today that it would be very useful to have a set of OSM status POIs that you could use to mark the status of the mapping at certain places. I find I sometimes have to skip roads, tracks or paths, because I am too tired, don't have

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?

2009-08-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
there is something better already http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/ On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.au.dkwrote: I realized when mapping today that it would be very useful to have a set of OSM status POIs that you could use to mark the status of the mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Nopekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: Clarification: What I meant is: Designated only for ways legally dedicated to one mode of travel. Usually that means individually road-signed, but it could also be done for a whole area like a nature reserve with a declaration for all

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread Erik Lundin
I think there's a good point of having the redundancy of name:xx tags even when it is the same as the name tag, because that makes the translated names more safe. For the Swedish translations I saw several names that were marked as OK even though they weren't translated. It's too easy to read

Re: [OSM-talk] Tibetan characters

2009-08-13 Thread Colin Marquardt
2009/8/13 Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com: I thought I'd spend some time on adding name:bo (i.e. in Tibetan) tags for places in Tibet. I was thinking of copy-pasting the place names from Wikipedia (guess that's ok), as my knowledge in Tibetan is just as limited as everybody else's.

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-13 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/8/14 Erik Lundin erik.lun...@aol.se: I think there's a good point of having the redundancy of name:xx tags even when it is the same as the name tag, because that makes the translated names more safe. For the Swedish translations I saw several names that were marked as OK even though they

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/14 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: but this is not real map-information but it is legal information you could also get from different sources. If a way is legally a cycleway, all the laws and

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Roy Wallacewaldo000...@gmail.com wrote: The general format, which could be extended to all kinds of access restrictions, is: X:K = L;V, where X = the standard tag (maxspeed, or access, or bicycle, etc.) K = the kind of condition L = the value of the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?

2009-08-13 Thread Stephen Hope
I've seen todo=job used for this purpose. And todo tags show up in a number of verification tools, so it will be brought to people's attention. Stephen 2009/8/14 Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.au.dk: I realized when mapping today that it would be very useful to have a set of OSM status POIs

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-08-13 Thread Ulf Lamping
Vikas Yadav schrieb: I made this icon for JOSM. My not an artist. This is the top with walls on both sides. Hi Vidas! I'm not an artist as well. Anyway, I've took your icon as an inspiration (your icon looked blurred when scaled down to 16*16 pixels) and added a similar one to the JOSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group

2009-08-13 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 13/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: I can't even decide if I don't know BST so could you tell us in UTC too? 3am AEST... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/14 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: but this is not real map-information but it is legal information you could also get from different sources. If a way is

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?

2009-08-13 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Morten Kjeldgaard schrieb: I find I sometimes have to skip roads, tracks or paths, because I am too tired, don't have time, or that I'm going at good speed downhill and don't want to stop. I've tried to make mental notes to return and map those missing roads at a later time but as time

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?

2009-08-13 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/8/14 Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de: Morten Kjeldgaard schrieb: I find I sometimes have to skip roads, tracks or paths, because I am too tired, don't have time, or that I'm going at good speed downhill and don't want to stop. I've tried to make mental notes to return and map those

Re: [OSM-talk] Tibetan characters

2009-08-13 Thread Markus Lindholm
2009/8/14 Colin Marquardt cmarq...@googlemail.com: 2009/8/13 Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com: I thought I'd spend some time on adding name:bo (i.e. in Tibetan) tags for places in Tibet. I was thinking of copy-pasting the place names from Wikipedia (guess that's ok), as my knowledge

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Parking garage entrances

2009-08-13 Thread Andrew MacKinnon
I am wondering about how pedestrian and car entrances to parking garages should be tagged. For instance, there are two large underground parking garages in Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario, one new and one relatively old. Each is located underneath an outdoor playing field and has several

[OSM-talk-nl] kaartenfabrikant AND ziet mobiele toekomst

2009-08-13 Thread Bas
Beste Talk'ers, Dit kwam ik tegen op NU.nl http://www.nuzakelijk.nl/beurs/2059283/kaartenfabrikant-and-ziet-mobiele-toekomst.html -- Met vriendelijke groet, Bas de Lange Hoofdorganisator Software Freedom Day Nederland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0_KiVdIOtc http://softwarefreedom.nl/

[OSM-talk-nl] Welke overheidsdata moeten vrij worden?

2009-08-13 Thread samsa
Op www.jijendeoverheid.nl staat de volgende uitnodiging: Een klein aantal overheidsdatabronnen zijn vandaag de dag openbaar, dit worden er steeds meer. een aantal voorbeelden zijn te vinden op http://vrijedata.nl/ http://www.overheid20.nl/werkruimte/48/Open%20Overheidsdata

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Welke overheidsdata moeten vrij worden?

2009-08-13 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, samsa wrote: Is dat niet iets voor OSM-ers, om op te reageren? We staan er tussen ;) Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl

[OSM-talk-nl] mijn.openstreetmap.nl: snel en simpel een kaart op je website

2009-08-13 Thread Roeland Douma
Howdy, Vandaag live gegaan. De eerste (alpha) release van mijn.openstreetmap.nl (voor meer info zie [1]). Hier is het mogelijk om snel en eenvoudig je eigen kaart te maken voor op je website. Ik heb getracht het geheel een beetje gebruikersvriendelijk te maken, wat redelijk gelukt is, al zeg

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] mijn.openstreetmap.nl: snel en simpel een kaart op je website

2009-08-13 Thread Milo van der Linden
Klinkt goed! Ik ga meteen kijken Een kleine tip; als je mailt en je stopt er lange url's in, escape deze dan met http://blog.openstreetmap.nl/index.php/2009/08/13/osm-kaartjes-op-je-website-appeltje-eitje/ Anders worden ze afgebroken en raken je url's twisted... Roeland Douma schreef:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] mijn.openstreetmap.nl: snel en simpel een kaart op je website

2009-08-13 Thread Lambertus
En dan maar hopen dat iedereen een standaard compliant mailclient gebruikt want ik merk bij de Garmin service dat héél veel mensen mailclients hebben die de afsluitende '' in de URL gooien waardoor de webserver een 404 not found teruggeeft. Ik heb dan ook voor de Garmin service in de .htaccess

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] mijn.openstreetmap.nl: snel en simpel een kaart op je website

2009-08-13 Thread steggink
Hallo Roeland, Erg leuk idee :) Wat commentaarpuntjes: * Schaalbalkje + pijltjes voor navigatie. Niet iedereen gebruikt automatisch de muis, evt. i.c.m. shift om snel in te zoomen. * Initiele breedte / hoogte in de textboxen komt niet overeen met de kaart. Dus ook al verander je daar niets,

[OSM-talk-nl] Coffeeshops

2009-08-13 Thread Roeland Douma
Beste Talk-nl-ers, Tijdens mijn rondje fietsen door Purmerend vandaag meteen even POI's gemarkeerd met mijn GPS voor de coffeeshops (ik was er toch). Nu dacht i dat we hier mooi: softdrug.openstreetmap.nl ofzo voor zouden kunnen gebruiken (samen met toerist.openstreetmap.nl) daar het wel leuk

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] mijn.openstreetmap.nl: snel en simpel een kaart op je website

2009-08-13 Thread Roeland Douma
Frank, Dank je wel :) Over de schaalbar/zoombar zat ik ook nog te denken. Maar dan zou ik dus een appart voorbeeld iets moeten hebben. Want die zitten er nu nog niet op standaard (omdat de meeste mensen gewoon een kaartje willen van hier zit ik op het industrieterrein o.i.d.) De initiele

[OSM-talk-nl] blog.openstreetmap.nl weer geupgrade

2009-08-13 Thread Stefan de Konink
Hoi, De blog is weer van een nieuwe wordpress voorzien. Grijp je kans mail rullzer of mij voor een account en ga verder met bloggen ;) Problemen mag je ook bij ons kwijt :) Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Wegentagging in NL

2009-08-13 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Roeland Douma wrote: secondary binnen de bebouwde kom: misschien om het iets duidelijker te maken: (grote) verbindings wegen tussen wijken in een stad. Daar zit wat in, maar de 'officiele' ringwegen zouden er dan ook onder vallen. Misschien moeten we grote steden en

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] blog.openstreetmap.nl weer geupgrade

2009-08-13 Thread Roeland Douma
Vooral bij Stefan uiteraard ;) On Thursday 13 August 2009 21:53:18 Stefan de Konink wrote: Hoi, De blog is weer van een nieuwe wordpress voorzien. Grijp je kans mail rullzer of mij voor een account en ga verder met bloggen ;) Problemen mag je ook bij ons kwijt :) Stefan signature.asc

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] mijn.openstreetmap.nl: snel en simpel een kaart op je website

2009-08-13 Thread Paul Smits
Ziet er goed uit Roeland, en handig vooral. Ik heb het getest op Opera, en het werkt perfect. Als je Franks advies volgt en er balkjes en pijltjes bij zet, dan zou ik het op prijs stellen als het wel mogelijk blijft om de kaartjes zonder balkjes en pijltjes op de website te zetten :) Nog een

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