http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/layouts/layout-1.png
http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/layouts/layout-2.png
http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/layouts/layout-3.png
I'll go ahead and contribute some feedback as well.
Layout 1's red navigation bar makes me flinch away from
Karl Guertin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Since the feedback I get is negative about colors, I've re-spun the
site in crowd pleasing blue [2].
[2] http://gr.ayre.st/~grayrest/tgwebsite3-blue.png
Can I +5? If not, +1 on this! ;-)
A very quick sub page example[3].
[3]
I think Karl's layout is original and nice, but (personally) I don't
find it quite usable.
For example, I think the front page exposes to many things packed in a
small spaces and it's hard to find what you are looking for.
Most probably my impression it's only related to the relatively dark
Ha! widgets.py deleted... am I the only one that caught that?
:D
On 12/22/05, Jonathan LaCour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Karl's layout is original and nice, but (personally) I don't
find it quite usable.
For example, I think the front page exposes to many things packed in a
small
Actually, that was no joke:
http://trac.turbogears.org/turbogears/changeset/352
On 12/22/05, Jared Kuolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ha! widgets.py deleted... am I the only one that caught that?
:D
Okay, now I get it.
*looks left, turns right*
On 12/22/05, Kevin Dangoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, that was no joke:
http://trac.turbogears.org/turbogears/changeset/352
On 12/22/05, Jared Kuolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ha! widgets.py deleted... am I the only one that caught
layout 3 has a gray band at the right that is screaming out for
*something* to happen there. I like the bottom half of layout 3, but
prefer the top half of layout 2.Kevin
One thing I really liked about Karl's designs is the the Recent Tickets
and Checkins boxes on the left side of his designs.
I agree. Often, other people express my thoughts better than I can do
myself :)
Kevin Dangoor wrote:
layout 3 has a gray band at the right that is screaming out for
*something* to happen there. I like the bottom half of layout 3, but
prefer the top half of layout 2.
Kevin
Just want to say again that where there is is blank space on my
layouts, I mostly intend for there
+1 for a light layout
Richard's layout are nice, i really like layout-1 and layout-2.
I love koorb logos too
http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/big/tglogo-buttons.jpg,
Imho a Richard style layout with koorb logo (the whole thing in a
matching color scheme) is a win.
Greg Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One thing I really liked about Karl's designs is the the Recent Tickets and
Checkins boxes on the left side of his designs. Maybe this is what the gray
band needs.
An imagemap with the cogs on the bottom to redirect to TG components website
would also be
+1 for Richards layout number 3. I think this one is wonderful.
On 22 Dec 2005 17:28:10 -0200, Jorge Godoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greg Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One thing I really liked about Karl's designs is the the Recent Tickets and
Checkins boxes on the left side of his
oops i just realized it s the same person : my bad
On 12/22/05, Kevin Dangoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 12/22/05, Jonathan LaCour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would have to agree here that I think Karl's layout would be better
for a brochure, magazine, or any medium other than a website. Its
just plain too crowded for the web.
The move
Taking a look at the post-1.0 Rails site, you can see that it's about
as un-crowded as it gets, and yet it's pretty effective. I do think
that having a dynamic page that shows what's going on in the project
at a glance is a good thing, and I also think that screen real estate
can be used a
On 12/22/05, Jonathan LaCour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would have to agree here that I think Karl's layout would be better
for a brochure, magazine, or any medium other than a website. Its
just plain too crowded for the web.
The move to blue was a good one, but the move from 2 columns to 3
On 12/22/05, Karl Guertin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I unsuccessfully tried to do both, which I thought I could overcome
with a clear enough visual hiearchy (I don't think the current design
is clear enough on that front). I think I'll trend toward the
community site and do less work pitching
On 12/22/05, Kevin Dangoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm thinking that letting a little bit of
what's going on (like 1 commit, 1 email message, 1 ticket, etc.) leak
out to the front page will help convey that this is an active and
moving project.
The problem here is that commits, messages,
On 12/22/05, Karl Guertin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 12/22/05, Kevin Dangoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm thinking that letting a little bit of
what's going on (like 1 commit, 1 email message, 1 ticket, etc.) leak
out to the front page will help convey that this is an active and
moving
Don't miss my super interesting post [1] :-)
Kevin Dangoor wrote:
I haven't been clear on this point, but I should be: I think the front
page *should* be more about pitching TurboGears than providing info
for the regular community. I'm thinking that letting a little bit of
what's going on
On 12/22/05, Karl Guertin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem here is that commits, messages, and tickets generally
don't stand on their own so unless you have a few (3 is generally the
magic number) it isn't worth the space required to set them up and put
them in context and they generally
What is important is that there is just enough content on the frontpage to know what we are talking about, and that it takes no more than
one or two clicks to go to the information (a longer featurepresentation, a wiki, the tutorials, download, trac, etc.)Evan
Oh yes, this is absolutely true.
On 12/21/05, Richard (koorb) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What specifically do you think is like the Firefox page, I do have a
habit of drawing inspiration from things I've seen!
I've blocked out your page [1] and the firefox product page [2]
(http://mozilla.com/firefox). Your grid is (consciously
I think Karl's layout is original and nice, but (personally) I don't
find it quite usable.
For example, I think the front page exposes to many things packed in a
small spaces and it's hard to find what you are looking for.
Most probably my impression it's only related to the relatively dark
(and
Just to mention that the gear needs some attention to work at this size
(in layout-3), you loose much detail because it's so subtle and it
gains a much more pronounced outline which gives it something of a
cartoonish look (more like my first attempts ;-)
On 12/20/05, Richard (koorb) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And another layout [2] not sure weather I'm moving forward or back
here, let me know what you think.
I think your second layout was stronger, this one lacks contrast. I
also think that the 3d gear hanging off the left in v2 adds visual
Hello all,
[2] http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/layouts/layout-3.png
I felt that something is missing here...Dunno what.But it looks like therecould be more things on this main page.
I agree with this. I think the page may be a little sparse and I'm not
real sure about the yellow as the
On 12/21/05, Greg Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[2]
http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/layouts/layout-3.png
I felt that something is missing here... Dunno what. But it looks like
there
could be more things on this main page.
I agree with this. I think the page may be a
Second verse [2], same as the first [1]. Now with 300% more gradients!
Iteration:
[1] http://gr.ayre.st/~grayrest/tgwebsite.png
[2] http://gr.ayre.st/~grayrest/tgwebsite2.png
Richard (koorb) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Silverness abounds with the latest incarnations [1,2,3,4] also some
vector artwork for playing with[5]
[1] http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/gear+silver+3up.png
Is it too hard to have a version of the lower one but with the letters
shinier?
Great, silver is good. I think the engraved gear work great as an
emblem for TG. I less enthusiastic about the cogified 'o' and the
characters overlapping when TG is written out.
This is how my desktop looks like right now:
http://www.checkandshare.com/images/desktop.png
I'm still
On 12/19/05, Richard (koorb) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
also some vector artwork for playing with[5]
Thanks muchly. This is my take on the 3d gear [1]. I'll have a website
design coming up in not too long.
[1] http://gr.ayre.st/~grayrest/turbogears3d.jpg
First pass at a site design is [1]. I did orange because it's
different and I don't really want to have the TG site look like the
Mozilla site any more than it looks like ruby or django. The basic
idea is that the left column is the news. Center is a 'community'
section with features on sites
+1 for shiny metallic colors, especially since we're talking about gears.
--
Mike Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
([EMAIL PROTECTED] address is semi-reliable)
I do find the logo a little
large and distracting. I can't read the content because all I see is
a giant bright-yellow gear! If it were scaled down 30-40% I think it
would be great.
agreed
I think that the top bar is far too easy to ignore, being gray, and would
probably look better as
A quick play with an idea [1]. The yellow on blue reminds me of
something else, but I can't think what right now - just so you know I
didn't intentionally rip of someone else's colour scheme.
I'm also a little unsure about the lack of colour generally - seen as
the gear and blue splash bar
On 12/15/05, Richard (koorb) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[1] http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/layout-2.png
Could I get a vector outline of the g-gear you're using? I'm +1 on the
logotype but I want to do some work on the 3d gear and I'd like to be
working from the same base.
Your color scheme looks like that of my alma mater (University of
Michigan), though a bit brighter than the ole maize and blue.
I think this looks terrific. The real challenge here is going to be
keeping myself from updating the site to use this look until the 0.9
release ;)
We'll see what
Hi Richard,
Great work again, but my personal preference goes to the first layout,
I find it really nice, professional and easy on the eyes.
Ciao
Michele
PS
Can I have a gear like the gold one but gray/silver (the one that
you've already done) and with the TurboGears text (and
On 12/15/05, Richard (koorb) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A quick play with an idea [1]. The yellow on blue reminds me of
something else, but I can't think what right now - just so you know I
didn't intentionally rip of someone else's colour scheme.
I should say that one plus to this color
Richard (koorb) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[1] http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/layout-2.png
+1
--
Jorge Godoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 12/15/05, Jonathan LaCour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We'll see what other folks think of this new layout. If there's no
violent objections, would you be able to get the HTML together for
this? There's *a lot* of content work to do on the site, and I'd like
to play around with hanging
as Kevin already said TurboGears should be
written in only a word
I completely agree, which is why this particular idea may not work too
well, but as it happens I was copying Kevin's idea:
I roughed this up in a
few minutes to show the idea, but it's not a serious implementation:
On 12/12/05, Richard (koorb) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
as Kevin already said TurboGears should be
written in only a word
I completely agree, which is why this particular idea may not work too
well, but as it happens I was copying Kevin's idea:
Yep. But, in this case, it's more balanced to
On Dec 12, 2005, at 10:09 AM, Kevin Dangoor wrote:
I think my vote at this point would be:
- in a square space use the gold G, beveled letter emblem
- when writing the text TurboGears, use the style with the cog O-G,
but be sure to the same G shape as the emblem
- use metal accents as
Kay, different approach this time - chance to see it in some kind of
context.
http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/layout.png
comment away
On Dec 11, 2005, at 11:44 AM, koorb wrote:
Kay, different approach this time - chance to see it in some kind of
context.
http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/layout.png
comment away
The 'O' in turbo is just begging to be cog-ified, too...
http://reinventnow.com/turbogears/
I
Wow, really nice design!!
I like this white-based designs with some touches of color.
Great work
I've got a bug report: the download button doesn't work! I was
hoping to download 0.9 from there and save a bunch of time :)
A couple of comments:
- I also like the mostly white page look. It's certainly cleaner
than the current.
- I'd like to use more metallic colors for the accents: they're
Really nice and clean.
Ronald
On Dec 11, 2005, at 6:44 PM, koorb wrote:
Kay, different approach this time - chance to see it in some kind of
context.
http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/layout.png
comment away
Ronald Jaramillo
mail: ronald AT
Kevin,
- My wife had the suggestion that we write TurboGears on the gear
itself. I like it, because it can go along with the machined look.
This is not to say that we wouldn't also write TurboGears nearby, but
this can make the logo stand on its own more. I roughed this up in a
few minutes
Hey,
The 'O' in turbo is just begging to be cog-ified, too
I'm a little wary of over complicating this one, to many fancy-fied
letters in a logo like this loose the focus.
- http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/og-red.png
- http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/og-blue.png
-
On 12/11/05, koorb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/layout.png
comment away
Awesome work.
+1 on the idea of the O being 'cogified' too. The O and G meshing
together giving a feeling of... well, meshing ;)
I also like the idea of a bronze-ish G-gear,
http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/layout.png
I've got a bug report: the download button doesn't work! I was
hoping to download 0.9 from there and save a bunch of time :)
Just a sec, I think I have the e-mail for the guy in charge of that ...
On 12/11/05, Lee McFadden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+1 on the idea of the O being 'cogified' too. The O and G meshing
together giving a feeling of... well, meshing ;)
I see my nefarious mind control ray has finally worked on Lee...
(http://tinyurl.com/8djne)
One down, 6 billion to go! ;-)
koorb wrote:
Hey guys, this certainly is a hot topic. Nice to have a generally
positive feedback.
Hi koorb,
I had a play with some other ideas
http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/logo-sheet.png, someone on my
web site suggested a metallic look.
Yes, it was me.
I really like (as the
+1 for cogification of O, but I would keep colours flat and simple.
Perhaps just move the Gear part a bit lower to create the impression
of a stereotypical cog join.
Simon
Lee McFadden wrote:
On 12/11/05, koorb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/layout.png
nother post :-)
Hi Simon,
Perhaps just move the Gear part a bit lower to create the impression
of a stereotypical cog join.
could you elaborate? not entirely sure what you mean.
Hi Michele,
From your initial ideas, I personally like how the G gear stands out,
(...) on the under the hood
hi koorb,
something like this:
http://www.ceeo.tufts.edu/ldaps/htdocs/curriculum/images/lego/gearmath/gears.jpg
Perhaps a bad example since the gears depicted are differently sized but
the basic idea is to have axles in different horizontal plains
(different Y coordinate if you will).
koorb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/gold-1.png
and another for good measure
- http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/gold-2.png
Very good! Specially the second! :-) Congratulations!
--
Jorge Godoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 12/11/05, koorb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps just move the Gear part a bit lower to create the impression
of a stereotypical cog join.
could you elaborate? not entirely sure what you mean.
He means basically to move the 'TURBO' part in [1] up by about an
x-height. I would not
I want a T-Shirt! Black, medium size and with 'Under The Hood' on
the back' please =)
- http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/gold-2.png
Cheers
Ronald
Ronald Jaramillo
mail: ronald AT checkandshare DOT com
blog: http://www.checkandshare.com/blog
Hey guys, this certainly is a hot topic. Nice to have a generally
positive feedback.
I had a play with some other ideas
http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/logo-sheet.png, someone on my
web site suggested a metallic look. I don't think I pulled it off
particularly well.
I agree that it
Hi Koorb,I really like the metallic gear (the flat one, not the quicksilver one), Color wise I think green is not that good, it tend's to get muggy and heavy. The dark red in the circle inside the gear of the existing logo is better, it looks good on white,conveys warm, passion and is classy in a
On 12/10/05, Ronald Jaramillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Koorb,
I really like the metallic gear (the flat one, not the quicksilver one),
Color wise I think green is not that good, it tend's to get muggy and heavy.
The dark red in the circle inside the gear of the existing logo is better, it
I know I'm little off the topic, but I felt that I should say it.
I'm developing an in-house solution here at my company using TG, and
all I've told to my boss is that it is using a Python web framework. I
omitted the TurboGears part, because the name doesn't sound serious or
professional.
On 12/8/05, koorb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's good this topic has been brought up, although an apparently
trivial thing the look and brand can have a big impact on how something
is perceived. I rather liked the turbogears under the hood badges,
and the newer templates on the site are nice
On 12/9/05, qvx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm developing an in-house solution here at my company using TG, and
all I've told to my boss is that it is using a Python web framework. I
omitted the TurboGears part, because the name doesn't sound serious or
professional. Personally, I like the
On 12/8/05, koorb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm guessing you can't read my mind, so here's the link to
http://koorb.co.uk/turbogears/ (it's 2:30am I need sleep ...)
Nice work, I wanted to do an upward slanted G crossbar but that
doesn't fit with my text while it does with yours. I prefer the
I recently used logoworks.com for my business logo. After seeing what
they did for me, my dad also used them for his company's logo. Their
service was excellent, however, they are a little more expensive than
thelogocompany.
Kevin Dangoor wrote:
On 12/8/05, koorb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting. I looked at their site as well, but I was little more
impressed by thelogocompany's samples. As I said, though, I'm not sure
that we'd get anything better than koorb's logo from either of those
places. (Different, I'm sure... but better is unknown, and subjective
anyway.)
What you
On 12/9/05, Sean De La Torre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I recently used logoworks.com for my business logo. After seeing what
they did for me, my dad also used them for his company's logo. Their
service was excellent, however, they are a little more expensive than
thelogocompany.
I don't
On 12/9/05, Tim Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't have any direct contact with LogoWorks, but I've been
less-than-impressed with some things I've read about them:
http://www.baddesignkills.com/logoworks/
Apparently, this sort of this is not uncommon among the low price
logo design
Consider koorb's logo:
http://koorb.co.uk/turbogears/variations.html
and the under the hood in use today (look on the far right):
http://www.diggdot.us/
Personally I think the issue is not so much fun vs serious, but
armature vs professional. And even that isn't quite what I want to
say,
I had never seen that before. That's pretty bad. I never even
considered that they would copy a logo from someone else. That Beaver
Brewery logo used to be on the main page as one of their example logos.
2005/12/9, koorb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'm guessing you can't read my mind, so here's the link to
http://koorb.co.uk/turbogears/ (it's 2:30am I need sleep ...)
I like the direction these are going. Have you tried squeezing the
logo into a micro-button size? (I'm partial to the 80x15 or
On 12/9/05, Kevin Dangoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What you get from someone like Jon Hicks is an incredible level of
detail. Look at the Firefox, Thunderbird or even the Rails logo and
you'll see what I mean. Or check out his samples:
http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/
When I did the logo I was
On 12/9/05, Karl Guertin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I did the logo I was told to keep the 'G-gear-ball-thing' and to
adjust the color and font. I thought I was pushing it by redesigning
the G. A logo as complex as one of the ones cited is a much larger
departure from the original. I'll do
The TurboGears community has grown by leaps and bounds over what it
was when Sebastian did the inner templates for the current site. I
have a bunch of ideas for what should go into the site now, and it's
time to think about what the site should look like for 0.9/1.0.
The images you sent are
Jonathan LaCour [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think that Rails has evidenced how important branding is, especially when
it comes to web development. I would love to see TurboGears do what Rails
did, and have a branding campaign as part of the push towards 1.0. Pay a
really, genuinely good
On 12/8/05, Kevin Dangoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, if you've got an idea for a change to the logo or site template,
now's the time!
Woot! The site is up for redesign as well!
On 08 Dec 2005 14:31:51 -0200, Jorge Godoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Someone has to dig a bit more to see what TG has to offer than to see what
Rails has to offer.
Let's keep this discussion focused on the overall visuals, as opposed
to the content. I have plenty of ideas on improvements to
On 12/8/05, Jonathan LaCour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The images you sent are certainly an improvement, but I share the
sentiment with several others that I have heard that think
TurboGears's branding isn't very good. I think Django and Rails both
have better logos, color schemes, websites,
Stepping up a level: if we had unlimited resources here, who would you
go to for logo and site design? I'm fond of the work done for
Firefox/Thunderbird for the Mozilla Foundation, but I don't know who
did that. (I'm sure I can find out...) Does anyone else have some
particularly inspiring
That looks quite nice!
Cheers
Ronald
On Dec 8, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Jared Kuolt wrote:
Stepping up a level: if we had unlimited resources here, who would
you
go to for logo and site design? I'm fond of the work done for
Firefox/Thunderbird for the Mozilla Foundation, but I don't know who
did
Well, now that we are on the topic, I think that something that would
make a big difference is making the front page more accesible. In fact,
those are not the correct words, what I mean is make the content more
accesible to the user. For example, the trac page can only be found
after you
On 12/8/05, David Guaraglia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, now that we are on the topic, I think that something that would
make a big difference is making the front page more accesible. In fact,
those are not the correct words, what I mean is make the content more
accesible to the user. For
What about financing the designers wage by asking him to do artwork
for a t-shirt as part of the assigment?
I for one will love to buy a nice t-shirt to support the project!
Ronald
On Dec 8, 2005, at 7:13 PM, Kevin Dangoor wrote:
On 12/8/05, Kevin Dangoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On
On 12/8/05, Ronald Jaramillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about financing the designers wage by asking him to do artwork
for a t-shirt as part of the assigment?
I for one will love to buy a nice t-shirt to support the project!
Ronald
Jared looks left, turns right.
On 12/8/05, Jonathan LaCour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the push towards 1.0.Pay a really, genuinely good designer (likeJon Hicks, in the case of Rails) to help us lowly programmers brandTurboGears.This is an investment in the future of the project andwould draw in more users, and contributers.
I
Hi,
It's good this topic has been brought up, although an apparently
trivial thing the look and brand can have a big impact on how something
is perceived. I rather liked the turbogears under the hood badges,
and the newer templates on the site are nice and clean but it would be
good to get some
I'm guessing you can't read my mind, so here's the link to
http://koorb.co.uk/turbogears/ (it's 2:30am I need sleep ...)
koorb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm guessing you can't read my mind, so here's the link to
http://koorb.co.uk/turbogears/ (it's 2:30am I need sleep ...)
I liked your brown logo
(http://koorb.co.uk/static/images/tglogos/big/tglogo-brown.jpg) and the
buttons
I personally prefer the original 'G' shape... TurboGears will likely be
often written as TG for short, why not put a T with the G. Say, a T
hanging on a G or something. (pretty font please...)
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