RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Bill,
Here is the information:
Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo Regional de Angra do Heroísmo - ilhas Terceira, 
Graciosa e São Jorge | 
Endereço eletrónico: bparah.arqu...@azores.gov.pt
 
Margaret v
From: Bill Seidler
Sent: January 22, 2020 10:08 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

Hello Margaret, once again thank you very much.  

I am strongly leaning toward concluding that Francis and Francisco are the same 
person, but I would like to feel I have eliminated other possibilities to 
whatever extent possible. 

I am hoping to visit Terceira and São Jorge later this year, but just in case I 
don't make it, can you tell me how I might order a copy of the inventory? 

Bill 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Moreira b. 1868, Sao Miguel island

[Margaret Vicente]

JR, good Morning 
Do you have any Moreira families from Vila Franca do Campo?  This Moreira may 
be from there because the mentioned place is  S Miguel Arcanjo which to me 
points to Vila Franca.
Margaret V.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2020, at 9:33 AM, JR  wrote:
> 
> I see the name Maiato. This name has its origins and appears in Ribeira 
> Grande in larger numbers than elsewhere. There is also a branch in Rabo de 
> Peixe. Moreira also appears frequently in Ribeira Grande.
> 
> JR
> 
>> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 12:35:41 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> Repost for Sherry, storytellerhi at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Azores researchers,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My mother’s father was about 50% Portuguese and his father came from Sao 
>> Miguel, Azores. I posted before he was Joao Moreira who changed his name to 
>> John Morin born 1868.  He lived in RI and Massachusetts while married to 
>> Josephine Levitre. He is related to a Joao Bento Moreira born about 
>> 1900.(pure guess) My closest and only second cousin match is Joao Bento and 
>> is definitely his ggrandfather. So this is where I am searching now after 
>> getting nowhere. He also lived in Montreal, Canada and was married to Maria 
>> Da Paixo Martins. He had these children Olimpio Moreira b 1934  d in Ponta 
>> Delgado 2007,and Josephina Moreira Mederios born 1929, Gennoveva Maiato, 
>> Silvina de Jesus martins Silva all from the matches tree. There may have 
>> been different mothers. The match reports Joao Bento Moreira was from Sao 
>> Miguel Arcanjo, Azores.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks for taking a look at my long shot. The rest of my matches are fourth 
>> cousins and this match is not willing to put us in touch with other family 
>> for testing at this time.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Sherry
>> 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Viveiros

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Elaine,
There is  a process of five pages for Guilhermina, widow and her Children dated 
Oct 1920.  It may give you the information you seek, unfortunately it is not 
available on line.  You may order it here, it should only cost a few cents per 
page plus postage:
Note:
Public Library and Regional Archive of Ponta Delgada - São Miguel and Santa 
Maria islands | email: bpar.pdelgada.i...@azores.gov.pt
Attached is the file information you should include in your email.
Hope you find him.
Margaret V.

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: January 4, 2020 9:20 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Viveiros

Hi Elaine S,

Everything in the Azores is organized on the town level. You have to know the 
town your ancestor came from. You only know the Azores and you don't have an 
island. You have a lot of research to do in the U.S. to try to uncover his 
island and freguesia (village/town). Here's a 30+ page how-to full of thing to 
try to find his freguesia.
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 6:15 PM Elaine Silvia  wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm hoping someone can help me. My great grandfather, Jose Viveiros was born in 
the Azores but my mother does not know exactly which village. I know he was 
born in about 1883. I'm looking for his birth certificate. He married my great 
grandma Guilhermina da Camara supposedly in the United States but I cannot find 
records to confirm this. I don't know when he came to the U.S. He farmed and 
was a coal deliverer in U.S.  Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

[Margaret Vicente]

You are welcome, Rob!


On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 1:39 PM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>
> Thank you Margaret. I have had a lot of experience with genealogy but with 
> Portuguese Family History I am a complete amateur,
>
> Thank you so much.
>
> Rob Whaite
>
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 6:46 AM Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
>>
>> It is written Osiana.  How do I see Eugenia?  How do you pronounce the word 
>> “ASIA” If you sound it off correctly it sounds like the letter “ J ” not the 
>> S sound.  Now take this and pronounce Ojina, what do you get?
>>
>> Cheri, I didn’t do anything different than anyone else researching for 
>> information.  And, no I didn’t have the couple in my database.  I also knew 
>> it was like trying to find a needle in a hay stack.  I suppose I was lucky 
>> to have found that needle.  I should say Rob is the lucky one.  I found the 
>> couple within a day or two of Rob’s first email but his estimated dates were 
>> not matching my findings, neither was his story, so I dismissed it and kept 
>> an eye out for other same name couples during my other research.  I also 
>> continued work on this particular couple gathering as much info as I could 
>> about parents, grandparents, children etc. and saw that there were too many 
>> coincidences matching up to his story but the timing was still off.  Now 
>> that Rob provided a solid piece of evidence plus another solidifying piece 
>> of his cousin’s marriage certificate,  I knew the research paid off and that 
>> it could be passed on to Rob.
>>
>> Margaret V.
>>
>> PS: one important part of the research was the couples children’s godparents 
>> who led me to connecting the dots in between the two Australian marriages.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Cheri Mello
>> Sent: January 3, 2020 2:21 PM
>> To: Azores Genealogy
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.
>>
>>
>>
>> Orsiana (sp?) is Eugenia? OK, I really don't understand Australian accents. 
>> So was it something you had in your database? How did you figure it out? 
>> Many on this list want to learn how to do it themselves.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 11:00 AM Margaret Vicente  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Rob,
>>
>> I have sent you some information privately and I can now confirm that I have 
>> your information and that Anthony Thomas is first cousins of Joao do Couto.  
>> Their mothers are sisters whose 2nd names is Eugenia.  Maria Eugenia and 
>> Claudina Eugenia.
>>
>> Margaret Vicente
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Rob Whaite
>> Sent: January 3, 2020 1:28 PM
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>>
>> I also discovered that the witness Elizabeth,(Ink is a bit blotchy) of the 
>> first marriage is the bride of the second.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bit hard to read but definitely the same signature.
>>
>>
>>
>> So,there is a definite relationship here, or very good friends,one or the 
>> other.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 6:37 PM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Nancy I shall be in touch
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:43 AM Nancy Couto  wrote:
>>
>> Note that Marianno Borges was a witness for both weddings. That, along with 
>> the fact that Osiana (or Asiana) appears to be an uncommon name, suggests 
>> that the two grooms might be related. At any rate, it’s a good guess.
>>
>>
>>
>> I searched for information on the Osiana or Asiana surname and learned that 
>> the name is popular in the Philippines but is also known in Mexico and 
>> Uraguay and I’m sure other places as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob, I’m a Couto and I have a very distant Ancestry DNA match with someone 
>> named Whaite—not you, though, and I think my match is from California. I’m 
>> interested in how your search plays out. Good luck!
>>
>>
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Ascenção? Inacia/Ignacia? Luciana? (And they misunderstood the L?) Joana? 
>> Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an 
>> "ana" sound on t

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

[Margaret Vicente]

It is written Osiana.  How do I see Eugenia?  How do you pronounce the word 
“ASIA” If you sound it off correctly it sounds like the letter “ J ” not the S 
sound.  Now take this and pronounce Ojina, what do you get?
Cheri, I didn’t do anything different than anyone else researching for 
information.  And, no I didn’t have the couple in my database.  I also knew it 
was like trying to find a needle in a hay stack.  I suppose I was lucky to have 
found that needle.  I should say Rob is the lucky one.  I found the couple 
within a day or two of Rob’s first email but his estimated dates were not 
matching my findings, neither was his story, so I dismissed it and kept an eye 
out for other same name couples during my other research.  I also continued 
work on this particular couple gathering as much info as I could about parents, 
grandparents, children etc. and saw that there were too many coincidences 
matching up to his story but the timing was still off.  Now that Rob provided a 
solid piece of evidence plus another solidifying piece of his cousin’s marriage 
certificate,  I knew the research paid off and that it could be passed on to 
Rob.  
Margaret V.  
PS: one important part of the research was the couples children’s godparents 
who led me to connecting the dots in between the two Australian marriages.

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: January 3, 2020 2:21 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

Orsiana (sp?) is Eugenia? OK, I really don't understand Australian accents. So 
was it something you had in your database? How did you figure it out? Many on 
this list want to learn how to do it themselves.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 11:00 AM Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Hello Rob,
I have sent you some information privately and I can now confirm that I have 
your information and that Anthony Thomas is first cousins of Joao do Couto.  
Their mothers are sisters whose 2nd names is Eugenia.  Maria Eugenia and 
Claudina Eugenia.  
Margaret Vicente
 
From: Rob Whaite
Sent: January 3, 2020 1:28 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.
 
Hi 
 
I also discovered that the witness Elizabeth,(Ink is a bit blotchy) of the 
first marriage is the bride of the second.
 
Bit hard to read but definitely the same signature.
 
So,there is a definite relationship here, or very good friends,one or the other.
 
Rob
 
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 6:37 PM Rob Whaite  wrote:
Thanks Nancy I shall be in touch
 
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:43 AM Nancy Couto  wrote:
Note that Marianno Borges was a witness for both weddings. That, along with the 
fact that Osiana (or Asiana) appears to be an uncommon name, suggests that the 
two grooms might be related. At any rate, it’s a good guess. 
 
I searched for information on the Osiana or Asiana surname and learned that the 
name is popular in the Philippines but is also known in Mexico and Uraguay and 
I’m sure other places as well. 
 
Rob, I’m a Couto and I have a very distant Ancestry DNA match with someone 
named Whaite—not you, though, and I think my match is from California. I’m 
interested in how your search plays out. Good luck!
 
Nancy
 
 

On Jan 2, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
 
Ascenção? Inacia/Ignacia? Luciana? (And they misunderstood the L?) Joana? 
Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an "ana" 
sound on the end. Maybe it will give someone an idea.
 
I'm going to disagree with Debbie here. There's nothing in the document to 
indicate cousinship between the grooms. Maybe they are and maybe they aren't. 
To avoid tunnel vision, I'd treat them as 2 distinct, unrelated men.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:53 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
 wrote:
Hi Rob,
 
I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are referring to.   
The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after marrying in the church, they went 
together to record the marriages officially.  Yes, I believe the grooms were 
likely cousins.  Both mothers are reported to use Osiana... their first names 
are Mary and Claudina.   One spelling looked like Asiana.    I also didn’t find 
a Portuguese surname that was similar.   
 
Does anyone have name ideas?   I suspect the grooms are doing the best they 
can.  Both used a mark to sign.  
 
If you know the place the came from... Azores? ...look for birth records.  
 
Debbie
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
Hi Cheri
 
I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates.
It is interesting that two of them are for Portuguese people in the State of 
Victoria in 1866 .Thomas(Tomasz) and De Quite(Do Couto) and in the same 
place(suspicious)?
 
Both their mothers have the same m

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Rob,
I have sent you some information privately and I can now confirm that I have 
your information and that Anthony Thomas is first cousins of Joao do Couto.  
Their mothers are sisters whose 2nd names is Eugenia.  Maria Eugenia and 
Claudina Eugenia.  
Margaret Vicente

From: Rob Whaite
Sent: January 3, 2020 1:28 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

Hi 

I also discovered that the witness Elizabeth,(Ink is a bit blotchy) of the 
first marriage is the bride of the second.

Bit hard to read but definitely the same signature.

So,there is a definite relationship here, or very good friends,one or the other.

Rob

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 6:37 PM Rob Whaite  wrote:
Thanks Nancy I shall be in touch

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:43 AM Nancy Couto  wrote:
Note that Marianno Borges was a witness for both weddings. That, along with the 
fact that Osiana (or Asiana) appears to be an uncommon name, suggests that the 
two grooms might be related. At any rate, it’s a good guess. 

I searched for information on the Osiana or Asiana surname and learned that the 
name is popular in the Philippines but is also known in Mexico and Uraguay and 
I’m sure other places as well. 

Rob, I’m a Couto and I have a very distant Ancestry DNA match with someone 
named Whaite—not you, though, and I think my match is from California. I’m 
interested in how your search plays out. Good luck!

Nancy




On Jan 2, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

Ascenção? Inacia/Ignacia? Luciana? (And they misunderstood the L?) Joana? 
Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an "ana" 
sound on the end. Maybe it will give someone an idea.

I'm going to disagree with Debbie here. There's nothing in the document to 
indicate cousinship between the grooms. Maybe they are and maybe they aren't. 
To avoid tunnel vision, I'd treat them as 2 distinct, unrelated men.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:53 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
 wrote:
Hi Rob,

I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are referring to.   
The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after marrying in the church, they went 
together to record the marriages officially.  Yes, I believe the grooms were 
likely cousins.  Both mothers are reported to use Osiana... their first names 
are Mary and Claudina.   One spelling looked like Asiana.    I also didn’t find 
a Portuguese surname that was similar.   

Does anyone have name ideas?   I suspect the grooms are doing the best they 
can.  Both used a mark to sign.  

If you know the place the came from... Azores? ...look for birth records.  

Debbie







On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
Hi Cheri

I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates.
It is interesting that two of them are for Portuguese people in the State of 
Victoria in 1866 .Thomas(Tomasz) and De Quite(Do Couto) and in the same 
place(suspicious)?

Both their mothers have the same maiden name Osiama or similar so maybe the two 
individuals getting married are cousins?

In any case have you, or anybody else for that matter ever heard of this 
surname?

Be very interested to know.

Best Regards

Rob





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Guilhermina Camara’s birth certificate

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Elaine,
Found the birth record for Guilhermina, in Capelas, Sao Miguel.  See link, 
right side
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P422.html
N.o 99  Guilhermina
baptized Oct 30 1887
born on  Oct 14 1887
Parents:  Francisco da Camara Salgado, laborer, and of Maria de Jesus, 
housewife, naturals of Capelas and residents of Pedreira Street
Paternal grandchild of:  Jose da Camara Salgado and Maria de Jesus
Maternal grandchild of: Francisco Pavao de Medeiros and Umbelina Candida de 
Jesus
Godparents: Manuel da Camara Salgado, married, laborers and for the Godmother 
the invocation our Our Lady.

Margaret V

From: Elaine
Sent: December 21, 2019 5:34 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Guilhermina Camara’s birth certificate

Hi everyone, my name is Elaine Silvia. I am searching for my great 
grandmother’s birth certificate. She was born in Sao Miguel, Capela, Azores. I 
am searching for information on her, her parents and her family. I have no idea 
how to approach this. I am looking for help. She immigrated and lived in Fall 
River, Ma. Her birth date is 8 October 1887 and she passes away in July 1976. 
They lived on at 345 Lindsey Street and 166 Langley Street. Please help.
Please contact me if you know her or have suggestions. 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra demeninhos(as)"?

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri, you can take it to mean as you wish but I disagree it covers just 
crafts.  Simply because I grew up with the term.  My Mom and Grandmother’s 
teacher was a Mestra, and that was Education, not crafts. 
The term is also used in English schools.  The Principal of the School was the 
Head Master.  Why do you think that is? 
Angela’s references first Edition is dated 1798— discussing Antiquated 
terminology prior to that time period. While the question posted was for  
1870-1879.  If antiquated back then how much more antiquated will it not be 72 
years later?

A mestre / mestra is a teacher whether that be trades or education.

mestra
Significado de Mestra
substantivo feminine Mulher que ensina ou leciona; professora.


Best,
Margaret

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: November 15, 2019 3:10 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra demeninhos(as)"?

So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who mastered 
her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back then,

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good 
housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...

Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 
à(s) 17:21:
“Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means “School 
girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed classes did 
not exist back then.
 
Margaret v.
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?
 
Hi Jessica,
 
Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is teacher 
(feminine).
 
You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out if 
it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.
 
So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone who 
has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went to 
school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a person who 
is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can shed more light on 
this.
 
My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in 
charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls' 
principal. 
 
Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri
 
 
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
Hi group!
 
For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states that 
the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just girls" I can't 
tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _. 
 
Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much 
schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm assuming 
mestra means teacher.
 
This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than "domestica" 
or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued. 
 
Thank you,
 
Jessica
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

[Margaret Vicente]

“Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means “School 
girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed classes did 
not exist back then.

Margaret v.

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

Hi Jessica,

Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is teacher 
(feminine).

You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out if 
it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.

So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone who 
has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went to 
school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a person who 
is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can shed more light on 
this.

My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in 
charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls' 
principal. 

Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri


Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
Hi group!

For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states that 
the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just girls" I can't 
tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _. 

Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much 
schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm assuming 
mestra means teacher.

This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than "domestica" 
or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued. 

Thank you,

Jessica

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Margaret Vicente]

There is study on the web that may be of interest as it contains rules and 
measures.
https://repositorio.uac.pt/bitstream/10400.3/905/1/Child%20abandonment%20and%20illegitimacy%20in%20the%20Island%20of%20S%C3%A3o%20Jorge%20%28Azores-Portugal%29..pdf

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9653/a7f652a5ea79cf177f4aeda8ec474c17a34e.pdf

Margaret

From: JesseAndDeborah Mendonca
Sent: October 3, 2019 1:10 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

Hi Linda,

I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but never 
found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have access to 
them?   Will Eloise give us permission?

Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this site.   I 
can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is below.  

Thank you!

Debbie
jessdebmendonca at gmail. Com



On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin  
wrote:
Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this subject as 
we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.  She has written 
articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these may still be 
available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is interested.  I also 
have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady and sharp as a tack!
 
From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy  
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches
 
The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all 
churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as can 
be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at somebody's 
door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise Cadinha studied 
this situation extensively and I have her notes. 
 
John Miranda Raposo
 
On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello 
 wrote: 
 
 
I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies were 
given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish church. The 
information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll look when I get 
home.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa  wrote:
 


I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and the 
"oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or was it 
just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix" church which 
had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
 
It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church in 
Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.  So much 
so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to be a number 
in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate and then was 
able to match the same number to her birth certificate.   Still a deadend for 
me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of people who were going to 
this church to hand over a child.  I can't image what was going on in the 1860 
to 1890 in that area, that so many were just giving up their children.  
 
Would love to hear your thoughts.
 
Maria Sousa
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thomas Hickling-Baptism record of grandson inFurnas, Sao Miguel.

[Margaret Vicente]

Thank you Joseph.
Cheri, the book did talk 
The record states the child was baptized in Madeira island in April but because 
the Santa Se parish rant out of the Holy oils, this part of the ceremony of 
baptism was performed in August in Furnas, where the couple also lived.  The 
affluent did not stay stationary in one island.  Wives did accompany husbands 
on many occasion.  
Cheers,
Margaret

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: September 29, 2019 12:59 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thomas Hickling-Baptism record of grandson 
inFurnas, Sao Miguel.

That's interesting. I wonder why. If only the books could talk.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 4:11 PM Joseph Mendonca  wrote:
For any relatives of Thomas and Sarah Hickling, I came across the following 
baptism record of their grandson Guilherme in Furnas, Sao Miguel.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816_item1/P169.html
 

Looks like the actual baptism was in Madeira but was also being recorded in 
Furnas for some reason. 


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obtaining a Marriage Certificate from PontaDelgada

[Margaret Vicente]

Well, if it is the baptism you’re looking for have a look here, # 25 left side. 
 Let me know if you need help reading it.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905_item1/P89.html

Margaret

From: Maria Sousa
Sent: September 26, 2019 12:23 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obtaining a Marriage Certificate from 
PontaDelgada

Thank you everyone.  I think my best bet is to contact Joao Ventura.  The 
reason I wanted the marriage certificate is because I can't find the bride's 
birth certificate.  I tried the ePortugal website and had a hard time 
understanding it in Portuguese.  My portuguese is limited.  

I am actually looking for the marriage of Joao Batista who was born in 1901 in 
Rabo de Peixe to Irene de Jesus Cordeiro from Arrifes.   She also goes by the 
name of Irene da Costa Medeiros and is the daughter of Jose de Costa and Rita 
de Jesus.   I have checked Arrifes and some of the parishes of Ponta Delgada, 
but so far no luck in finding her.   I figured the marriage certificate would 
give me the information I need.   And, I have the marriage date (it was on Joao 
Batista's birth certificate).  

Thank you again everyone!

Maria Sousa

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 8:57 AM Joseph Mendonca  wrote:
I meant (digo) ... couple's birth dates are prior to 1919... as a correction to 
the above.

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 8:44 AM Joseph Mendonca  wrote:
I think Joao Ventura will be your best option.  Obtaining certificates online 
from "eportugal" is restricted to 100 years from the year of birth.  Since the 
marriage record you seek is from 1922 then the couple's birth dates are prior 
to 2019 and would not be allowed via the "eportugal" portal.  The birth date 
field is mandatory field.
Entering a birth year larger than 100 years will prompt an error message as 
indicated below.



On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 3:57 PM Maria Sousa  wrote:

I am trying to obtain a marriage certificate for a couple married in Ponta 
Delgada in 1922.   Is there a way to do this online, requesting the document 
and paying for it by credit card?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obtaining a Marriage Certificate from Ponta Delgada

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Maria,
There’s a portal for citizens but you will need to create an account with 
Portuguese credentials.  See here 
https://eportugal.gov.pt/
If unable to sign in this way the best option would be your nearest Portuguese 
Consulate or through a local genealogist.  João Ventura would be able to assist 
with that.
Margaret v
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2019, at 3:03 PM, Maria Sousa  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am trying to obtain a marriage certificate for a couple married in Ponta 
> Delgada in 1922.   Is there a way to do this online, requesting the document 
> and paying for it by credit card?
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Assistance with Baptismal Record

[Margaret Vicente]

Luis,
You are welcome!
Margaret

From: Luis Arruda
Sent: September 23, 2019 3:20 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Assistance with Baptismal Record

Dear Margaret,
Thank you so much for your expeditious reply.
It means a great deal to me that you took time out of your busy day to help me.
Luis Arruda 


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On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 2:32 PM Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Hello Luis,
 
Baptized: Oct 23 1889
Born on:  Oct 15 1889
Father: Manuel Mathias de Souza 
Paternal grandparents: Manuel de Souza Coelho natural of this parish, and 
Antonia Jacinta, natural of Sao Sebastiao of Ginetes place
Maternal grandparents: Jose Pimentel de Carvalho and Maria de Almeida
Godfather: Manuel Carvalho de Viveiros, married and Godmother Maria do Espirito 
Santo, married
 
Margaret v
 
From: Luis Arruda
Sent: September 23, 2019 12:57 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Assistance with Baptismal Record
 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P384.html
 
I believe it says the child - Margarida- was born on the 15th of October and 
baptized on the 20th of October 1889. I believe the mothers name is Maria 
Almeida Conceicao, however I cannot make out the fathers name nor the 
godparents of Margarida.
Thanking everyone in advance who helps out
Luis Arruda
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Assistance with Baptismal Record

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Luis,

Baptized: Oct 23 1889
Born on:  Oct 15 1889
Father: Manuel Mathias de Souza 
Paternal grandparents: Manuel de Souza Coelho natural of this parish, and 
Antonia Jacinta, natural of Sao Sebastiao of Ginetes place
Maternal grandparents: Jose Pimentel de Carvalho and Maria de Almeida
Godfather: Manuel Carvalho de Viveiros, married and Godmother Maria do Espirito 
Santo, married

Margaret v

From: Luis Arruda
Sent: September 23, 2019 12:57 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Assistance with Baptismal Record


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P384.html

I believe it says the child - Margarida- was born on the 15th of October and 
baptized on the 20th of October 1889. I believe the mothers name is Maria 
Almeida Conceicao, however I cannot make out the fathers name nor the 
godparents of Margarida.
Thanking everyone in advance who helps out
Luis Arruda
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading baptism records

[Margaret Vicente]

No problem.  As an fyi, I am related to the couples in your search and have 
them in my tree.  Also, Manuel de Melo Afonso and Bernarda Augusta are listed 
in the Genealogies of Rodrigo Rodrigues, Capitulo 366 Unico, N.o 5 and Capitulo 
19.

I can send you what I have, pm me if you’re interested.


From: R Downey
Sent: September 20, 2019 11:59 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading baptism records

Thank you Margaret!  Would never have figured out the margins!

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 1:51 AM Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Child:  Maria
Baptized: Nov 10 1901
Birth date: Nov 7 1901 at 9 o’clock
Parents and grandparents you got it.
Margin
# 1  Got married canonically with Jose Bernardo Sousa, 24 years old, 
natural of the Council of Nordeste, of this island of S. Miguel, son of Manuel 
Bernado de Sousa and of Maria Raposo de Mendonca, in New Bedford Massachusetts 
of North America on the 5th of September of 1926.  Marriage record # 158 of 
1967 Chamber of Foreign Affairs.  Bulletin # 394 – xx # 193.  On 30th of May of 
1967
# 2  The married endorsed under # 1 was dissolved by the obit of husband on 
the 28th of January 1973.   Bulletin # 14 pack # 61P On the 22nd of February of 
1974.
# 3   Passed away in the parish of Achada, Council of Nordeste on the 4th 
of January of 1978.  Bulletin # 3 OM.  On January 9th of 1978.
 
This is what I get, hope it helps.
 
Margaret 
 
 
From: R Downey
Sent: September 20, 2019 11:58 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading baptism records
 
If I could have help I would appreciate it.  Just when I feel I am getting 
better the records get harder to read as they get older.  This one though is 
written clear and I think I can make out most of it, but am not confident in 
the names and what the relation is to the child (get confused with the priest 
and his parents being mentioned) so any help would be appreciated.  This is my 
husbands great grandparents and the names are similar so I don't trust myself.  
I have another to post separate.  Thanks for any and all help.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1900-1905_item1/P104.html
 
This first record I believe says:
 
Child:  Maria Carreiro 
 
Born: 11/1/1900
 
Parents:  Joao Carreiro de Medeiros and Maria Julia de Mello farmers
 
Maternal Grandparents:  Augustinho Carreiro de Medeiros and Theresa de Jesus
 
Paternal Grandparents:  Manuel de Mello Affonso and Bernarda Agusta de Mello
 
Godparents:  Jose Mello Cardosa and Maria Ricarda de Mello
 
The margin references Bernardo Sousa and Bernarda Correia, but besides the 
dates I cannot make out anything else.  So any input on that would be 
appreicated!
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading baptism records

[Margaret Vicente]

Child:  Maria
Baptized: Nov 10 1901
Birth date: Nov 7 1901 at 9 o’clock
Parents and grandparents you got it.
Margin
# 1  Got married canonically with Jose Bernardo Sousa, 24 years old, 
natural of the Council of Nordeste, of this island of S. Miguel, son of Manuel 
Bernado de Sousa and of Maria Raposo de Mendonca, in New Bedford Massachusetts 
of North America on the 5th of September of 1926.  Marriage record # 158 of 
1967 Chamber of Foreign Affairs.  Bulletin # 394 – xx # 193.  On 30th of May of 
1967
# 2  The married endorsed under # 1 was dissolved by the obit of husband on 
the 28th of January 1973.   Bulletin # 14 pack # 61P On the 22nd of February of 
1974.
# 3 Passed away in the parish of Achada, Council of Nordeste on the 
4th of January of 1978.  Bulletin # 3 OM.  On January 9th of 1978.

This is what I get, hope it helps.

Margaret 


From: R Downey
Sent: September 20, 2019 11:58 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading baptism records

If I could have help I would appreciate it.  Just when I feel I am getting 
better the records get harder to read as they get older.  This one though is 
written clear and I think I can make out most of it, but am not confident in 
the names and what the relation is to the child (get confused with the priest 
and his parents being mentioned) so any help would be appreciated.  This is my 
husbands great grandparents and the names are similar so I don't trust myself.  
I have another to post separate.  Thanks for any and all help.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1900-1905_item1/P104.html

This first record I believe says:

Child:  Maria Carreiro 

Born: 11/1/1900

Parents:  Joao Carreiro de Medeiros and Maria Julia de Mello farmers

Maternal Grandparents:  Augustinho Carreiro de Medeiros and Theresa de Jesus

Paternal Grandparents:  Manuel de Mello Affonso and Bernarda Agusta de Mello

Godparents:  Jose Mello Cardosa and Maria Ricarda de Mello

The margin references Bernardo Sousa and Bernarda Correia, but besides the 
dates I cannot make out anything else.  So any input on that would be 
appreicated!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finding records for Antoine J Silva and his wife Rosa Cordoza in Faial da Terra

[Margaret Vicente]

sorry, typo, birth date is March 20th

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 1:17 PM Margaret Vicente
 wrote:
>
> Hello Elizabeth,
>
> Since you seem to know where they were married, you should be ordering
> first their marriage certificate.  If you have Ancestry membership you
> should be able to find it.  The parents should be listed as well as
> the place of origin.
>
> This may be the birth record for Rosa.  Top right side.  Birth date is
> March 21 1838 Baptized on April 1 of 1838.  The parents on this record
> are Manuel Furtado Cardozo [Cardoso] and his wife Rosa Pacheco.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1828-1839/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1828-1839_item1/index.html
>
> I'll see if I can find Antonio's.
>
> Margaret Vicente
>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 1:00 PM Elizabeth Ramer
>  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks so much!
> >
> > On Friday, September 13, 2019 at 4:10:52 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
> >>
> >> P.S. If you don't "read" the records, here's a guide to help you:
> >> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-9/
> >> Cheri Mello
> >> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 11:00 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Elizabeth R,
> >>>
> >>> Use Tombo.pt to navigate. Click on the British flag. Then type "faial da 
> >>> terra" in the left navigation column. Once Faial da Terra comes up in the 
> >>> main window, click it. You will see all records available for FdT from 
> >>> the Azores government records site (the CCA). Find the record set you 
> >>> want and click on it. It will link you to the CCA where you will then see 
> >>> the actual records themselves.
> >>> Good luck and happy hunting!
> >>> Cheri Mello
> >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> >>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:55 PM Elizabeth Ramer  
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>> I am trying to figure out the best way to search for records for my 
> >>>> relatives Antoine J Silva born 1834 and his wife Rosa Cordoza born 1839, 
> >>>> in Faial da Terra. I know they emigrated to Gloucester, Massachusetts 
> >>>> and all of their children were born there, the first in 1865 or 1866. I 
> >>>> went through some posts here and it seems there is an archival website 
> >>>> for passport records and such but I found it extremely difficult to use; 
> >>>> I couldn't figure out what the different categories of filters mean even 
> >>>> with Google translate. Any pointers would be appreciated!
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Elizabeth
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finding records for Antoine J Silva and his wife Rosa Cordoza in Faial da Terra

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Elizabeth,

Since you seem to know where they were married, you should be ordering
first their marriage certificate.  If you have Ancestry membership you
should be able to find it.  The parents should be listed as well as
the place of origin.

This may be the birth record for Rosa.  Top right side.  Birth date is
March 21 1838 Baptized on April 1 of 1838.  The parents on this record
are Manuel Furtado Cardozo [Cardoso] and his wife Rosa Pacheco.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1828-1839/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1828-1839_item1/index.html

I'll see if I can find Antonio's.

Margaret Vicente

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 1:00 PM Elizabeth Ramer
 wrote:
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> On Friday, September 13, 2019 at 4:10:52 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> P.S. If you don't "read" the records, here's a guide to help you:
>> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-9/
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 11:00 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Elizabeth R,
>>>
>>> Use Tombo.pt to navigate. Click on the British flag. Then type "faial da 
>>> terra" in the left navigation column. Once Faial da Terra comes up in the 
>>> main window, click it. You will see all records available for FdT from the 
>>> Azores government records site (the CCA). Find the record set you want and 
>>> click on it. It will link you to the CCA where you will then see the actual 
>>> records themselves.
>>> Good luck and happy hunting!
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:55 PM Elizabeth Ramer  
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I am trying to figure out the best way to search for records for my 
>>>> relatives Antoine J Silva born 1834 and his wife Rosa Cordoza born 1839, 
>>>> in Faial da Terra. I know they emigrated to Gloucester, Massachusetts and 
>>>> all of their children were born there, the first in 1865 or 1866. I went 
>>>> through some posts here and it seems there is an archival website for 
>>>> passport records and such but I found it extremely difficult to use; I 
>>>> couldn't figure out what the different categories of filters mean even 
>>>> with Google translate. Any pointers would be appreciated!
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel, 1860s baptism

[Margaret Vicente]

No problem.  That’s because it’s pronounced as the letter K.  Remember seeing 
Parocho and later Paroco for priests? Same happening here.  Rabo de Peixe has 
the funkiest surnames.
Margaret

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: September 14, 2019 8:34 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel, 1860s baptism

Thanks, have the "h" appear and disappear was bugging me. I haven't encountered 
"Menacho" before. Thanks for all your help! Cheri

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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 5:30 PM Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Cheri, pretty much like you see it.  “Manacho” the 1nd record shows Manaco.  It 
is most common as “Menacho”
  
Margaret
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: September 14, 2019 8:10 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel, 1860s baptism
 
The maternal grandfather. There's a word after his name (Francisco Manuel) that 
I can't make head or tails.
Right side, very last line on the page:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1860-1864/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1860-1864_item1/P68.html
 
And here's another baby. Left side, 10th line at the end:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1860-1864/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1860-1864_item1/P309.html
 
Thanks, Cheri
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel, 1860s baptism

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri, pretty much like you see it.  “Manacho” the 1nd record shows Manaco.  It 
is most common as “Menacho”
  
Margaret

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: September 14, 2019 8:10 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel, 1860s baptism

The maternal grandfather. There's a word after his name (Francisco Manuel) that 
I can't make head or tails.
Right side, very last line on the page:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1860-1864/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1860-1864_item1/P68.html

And here's another baby. Left side, 10th line at the end:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1860-1864/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1860-1864_item1/P309.html

Thanks, Cheri
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria Florinda

[Margaret Vicente]

There’s another detail, the margin note should be taken into account as her 
name seems to have a change or addition.

Margin Note:  Maria nome q.e lh poz Sua Ex.a R.mo qdo. a Confirmou ( Maria, 
name given/inputed by His Reverend Excellency (Bishop) when he Confirmed her)

Margaret Vicente

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: September 11, 2019 1:40 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria Florinda

Florinda, daughter of Lourenço José de Sousa, native of Nossa Senhora da 
Estrela of Ribeira Grande (so that's where you find his baptism), and Luiza 
Francisca, native of this parish, Nossa Senhora do Rosario, place of Achadinha, 
born on 16 Nov 1000 700 90 and 8 (spelled oyto instead of oito). So Sam got 
1798 right.  Then some church stuff. Then godfather: Mathias Jose Jacinto, son 
of the family of Alfares  a...ndo Jose, widower, from Nossa Senhora da 
Conceicao of the village of Ribeira Grande.

You are in the 2nd time period. Grandparents are not given. You have to find 
Lourenco and Luiza's marriage. Since they are from 2 different freguesias, you 
look in the bride's first. So check Achadinha for the marriage and then check 
Ribeira Grande - N.S. da Estrela church.
Good luck,
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On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:39 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
I see the 6th of November seventeen hundred and ninety something.  I think it’s 
eight but; not sure about that.  Baptized on the 21 say of the same month and 
year.  I see the same as you for the dad and the mom is Luisa Francisca.  
Natural of this parish of Nossa Senhora de Rosario.  Godfather was Matteus Jose 
Jacinto who was a son of the family of Ensign (can’t read the first name) Jose, 
widow.  The names at the bottom are the witnesses.  Hopefully, someone else can 
fill in the missing pieces.
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: R Downey
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 10:05 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria Florinda
 
Can someone help me read this Baptism of Maria Florinda.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799_item1/P145.html
 
What I think it says:  November 1799  I can't figure the date?
 
Father:  Lourenco Jose de Sousa
 
Mother:  Luisa (Luiza) _ - I cannot make out last name (Luisa Rosa - in a 
prior record)
 
Nordeste Sao Miguel
 
I am trying to find the parents of both Mother and Father if listed or more if 
possible.  Thanks so much for any help.  I am trying to get better at reading 
these.
 
Names I think I see and more, but can't tell who the grand parents are and who 
the priests and families of priest are?  It seems to go into quite a bit of 
detail of the Reverendo?
 
Padre:  Virginio son of 
Manoel de Sousa Pimentel
 
Godfather?:
Mathios Jose Jacindo
 
Son of
Someone I cannot figure out?
 
and then
 
Clarencio Jose Joachimo Soares Dutra
 
Antonio de Medeiros
 
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Margaret Vicente]

You sure did Angela!  

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: September 8, 2019 11:17 PM
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That makes sense. 100%!

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On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 8:14 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
I think i finally got it

«O individuo a
que se refere este re-
gisto de nome Ma-
nuel de Reis, fale-
ceu no lugar da
sua naturalidade
no estado de casa-
do com Maria do
Espirito Santo Re-
zendes, filha de Fran-
cisco Rezendes Cur-
velo e de Aurélia/Amélia(?)
Izabel Coelho(?), natu-
rais desta freguezia
[???]
dia catorze de novem-
bro de mil novecentos
e vinte e sete.
 Vila do Porto 15 de 
novembro de 1927»
signature

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia segunda, 9/09/2019 à(s) 02:52:
I called my 85 year old dad. I asked him what was the nickname of California. 
He said the Golden State. I asked him "since when" and he said ever since he 
was a kid, because of the 1849ners and the gold rush. I asked my dad if he had 
any of those pennants that he used to collect as a kid that had Golden State 
written on them and instead he took me down the rabbit hole of his childhood 
bedroom with maybe 2 walls of those felt pennants plastered on them. LOL

I called Kalani and he said Hawaii was never known as the Golden State. So who 
knows what that scribe meant!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:05 PM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Just checked date for “The Golden State” and was rather shocked to be honest. 
It said it became official in 1968. I’m a native Californian and would have 
sworn it was earlier than that. Of course, it could have been commonly used 
though not official prior to 1968. Requires more research. 

Gayle

On Sep 7, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
California is known as "The Golden State" and Hawaii is "The Aloha State," but 
I don't know those terms were in use in 1905ish. Hawaii may have had another 
name, but I don't think it was the "Golden State" (since California had the 
gold rush in the mid-1800s). I'll have to ask Kalani what he knows about the 
history of Hawaii's slogans. Who knows, things evolve over time!

Cheri MelloT
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 2:42 PM Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Thanks, Cheri and Angela for the heads up.  I was wondering why it was coming 
to me so easy…I read the opposite record.
 
As far as I can tell, the place is out of the Country.  I’m going to write what 
I see and then translate to I understand it to mean:
 
Cheri, the area you highlighted:  no lugar de ane nalu na Cidade no estado de 
ourado
 
My interpretation: in the Ananalu /Honolulu place, city of the Golden State.  
 
Margaret
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: September 7, 2019 5:12 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria
 
I still see "lugar da  da cidade"

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 1:14 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Margaret;  Thank you.  I appreciate your help.
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: Margaret Vicente
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 1:10 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria
 
Faleceu na freguesia de São Pedro.  He passed away in Vila do Porto Parish of 
São Pedro.
 
Margaret
 
 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Margaret Vicente]

Faleceu na freguesia de São Pedro.  He passed away in Vila do Porto Parish of 
São Pedro.

Margaret

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2019, at 1:10 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your input Cheri and for giving a shout out to cousin Trish!
>  
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>  
> From: Cheri Mello
> Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 10:47 AM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria
>  
> Lugar de Scribble Scrabble. It looks like 2 words, but may be one. Tish 
> Meals, do you have a contact on Santa Maria who might be more familiar with 
> the local neighborhoods of Santa Maria?
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>  
>  
> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 9:23 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> Angela, Thank you for this.  Really appreciate getting her parents names. 
>  
> Can anyone else make out what it says after faleceu no lugar?
>  
> I’ll find the link to the other one and send it on.
>  
> Thanks again,
>  
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>  
> From: Ângela Loura
> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 8:28 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com; Sam (Camas, WA)
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria
>  
> Hard to read. 
>  
> - Foi-lhe passada a cédula pessoal nº 161842. Vila do Porto, 9 de Outubro de 
> 1924 (signature)
> - the next i don't understand what it says after «faleceu no lugar (???...)». 
> The wife was indeed Maria do Espirito Santo Resendes, her father looks like 
> Francisco Resendes Curvelo and the mother Aurélia/Amélia Izabel Coelho. The 
> date looks like «catorze de novembro de 1927». signed Vila do Porto 15 Nov 
> 1927. 
>  
> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no 
> dia sábado, 7/09/2019 à(s) 01:23:
> Need help with this side note please.  I think it says Manoel dos Reis6 died 
> while married to Maria de Espiritu Santo Resendes but; I can’t find the death 
> date and I think I see another name in there but; not sure what it is or who 
> it is.  I see 15 Nov 1924 at the bottom but; he was born 29 Oct 1900.  Did he 
> die shortly after marrying?  Thanks everyone for your help.  It’s #29 Manoel, 
> bottom right and on to next page.
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P18.html
>  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need groom's name on Margarida Nunesmarriage1643, Vila Nova, Terceira

[Margaret Vicente]

The first name of the Groom’s father is Ascensso [currently, Ascenso]

Margaret v

From: JR
Sent: September 5, 2019 9:37 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need groom's name on Margarida 
Nunesmarriage1643, Vila Nova, Terceira

After seeing your comments, Doreen, I revisited and agree, the name is 
Fructuozo. Just goes to show, I shouldn't be so hasty.

JR

On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 8:58:20 AM UTC-4, doreencaetano wrote:
I have Frutuoso Pires, son of Asencao Rodrigues Vieira and Catarina Dias of the 
church Santa Barbara in Nove Ribeiras,
Hope this helps,
Doreen Caetano
 
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From: Bill Seidler
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 4:09 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need groom's name on Margarida Nunes marriage1643, 
Vila Nova, Terceira
 
Any suggestions on the groom's name on this marriage.  The Terceira Marriage 
index says Francisco Pereira, but I have my doubts.  
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-VILANOVA-C-1594-1673/TER-PV-VILANOVA-C-1594-1673_item1/P56.html
 (bottom left)
 
What I do see is that on 2 Feb 1643 ??? ???, son of Capt. ??? Rodrigues Vieira 
and Catarina Dias, residents of Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras marrying 
Margarida Nunes, daughter of Andre Afonso and his wife Isabel Lucas.  
 
Thanks for any help.
 
Bill Seidler
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please: Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, SantaMaria

[Margaret Vicente]

It’s actually correct as it is written:  

“testemunhas, o Avo Materno do Baptizado, e Bernardino Joze de Sousa, Sacristao 
desta Igreja ..”

witnesses, the Maternal grandfather of the baptized and Bernardino Joze de 
Sousa 

Margaret 

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: August 31, 2019 9:56 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please: Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, 
SantaMaria

Check the record in the previous pages and the next ones, where Bernardino José 
de Sousa is refered to as the «sacristão desta igreja», so probably the priest 
had his mind in another place when he wrote that record.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no 
dia domingo, 1/09/2019 à(s) 02:17:
Top Right, Francisco.  I’m confused on this one.  I think it says that 
Francisco is the son of Joao Jacinto de Resendes e Jacinta Umbelina. Paternals 
are: Joao Jose de Resendes e Maria Francisca.  Maternals are: Joao Jose da 
Camara e Antonia Jacinta.  Then comes my confusion.  Towards the very bottom it 
looks to me that it says the witness is the baptized baby’s Maternal 
Ggrandfather: Bernardino Jose de Sousa.  Where am I going wrong here?
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845_item1/P70.html
 
Thanks for your help,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and JoanaFernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Bill,

According to RR’s information entered in prior email;  Balazar Velho son of 
Domingos Velho, son of Manuel Fernandes da Silva, son of Francisco Vaz Delgado 
and Catarina Goncalves. 

The archives have files that include tree reconstructions of various work notes 
including that of RR’s.  Have a look at # 57.  You may be able to request/order 
copies.

http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1557252=maria

If RR and others reconstructed your Ancestor’s family, it leads me to believe 
that Rodrigo Rodrigues reference chapter posted in Angela’s email is probably 
all there is.

Margaret

From: Bill Seidler
Sent: August 29, 2019 5:04 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and 
JoanaFernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

Now that I've had a chance to digest this outstanding (yet disappointing) 
information, it seems that I found the wrong Manuel Fernandes da Silva married 
to the wrong Maria Velha.  The couple, with same names, that I need, according 
to RR married in 1647 is Santa Barbara where the first Casamento book starts in 
1648.  The one I found took place ten years later and both newlyweds have 
different parents than the Manuel Fernandes da Silva and Maria Velha given by 
RR.

I am hoping for some advice on how to proceed.

Bill Seidler

On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 4:49:20 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote:
Thank you so much!  I'm going to have to see if I can obtain the RR book I've 
heard so much about.

Bill Seidler




On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 10:31:55 AM UTC-7, Ângela Loura wrote:
You got the names on the record right.

I took a look at the RR book, and it says:

(...) Baltazar Velho, era filho de Domingos Velho e de Joana Fernandes (casados 
em Santa Bárbara, de Santa Maria a 24.10.1701), ele filho de Manuel Fernandes 
da Silva (filho de Francisco Vaz Delgado e Catarina Gonçalves) e de Maria Velho 
(casados em Santa Bárbara em 1647) e esta última filha de Sebastião Velho 
Botelho e Maria da Fonte. Joana Fernandes (mãe de Baltazar Velho) era filha de 
Francisco Curvelo e Jerónima Fernandes (casados em Santa Bárbara em 1658) ele 
filho de Manuel Curvelo e de Maria da Fonte, e ela filha de António Velho e 
Margarida da Fonte.

Bill Seidler  escreveu no dia terça, 27/08/2019 à(s) 08:39:
I think this might be the marriage of the groom's parents: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716_item1/P15.html
 (upper left starting on previous page)

What I think I see is:

Manuel Fernandes, son of Andre Fernandes da Silva and Anna Velha (deceased) 
marrying Maria Velha daughter of Antonio Velho da Costa and Breatis (Beatris?) 
George.

Reading around the torn pages, the date is the fifteenth of some month in 1657 
or Jan of 1658.

I appreciate any other insight or opinions.

Thanks,
Bill Seidler

On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 11:00:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote:
Can someone please help with this record.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716_item1/P62.html
 (left side)

Groom's parents: Manuel Fernandes da Silva and Maria ???

Bride's parents: Francisco ?Cruvelho? and his wife ??? ???.

Thank you,
Bill Seidler


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obtaining photocopies or scans of Inventarios from Archives in Ponta Delgada

[Margaret Vicente]

Thank you Cheri

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2019, at 1:39 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Gustavo,
> 
> You go to their "card catalog" of sorts. It's here: 
> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/
> I type in a name and the freguesia. (NOTE: Modern Portuguese spellings). I 
> did "melo tainhas" as I can get away with part of a freguesia name. When it 
> comes up, click it and scroll to the bottom:
> 
> It's 7 pages (so up to 14 copies) and I've circled the location.
> Good luck and happy hunting!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:31 AM Gustavo Martins  
>> wrote:
>> Hello Margaret!
>> How did you find this:
>> 
>>  “copy of my findings,
>> identifying file and its location in their Archives”
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you
>> 
>> Gustavo 
>> 
>> 
>> Envoyé de mon iPhone
>> 
>> > Le 26 août 2019 à 13:34, Margaret Vicente  a 
>> > écrit :
>> > 
>> > copy of my findings,
>> > identifying file and its location in their Archives
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obtaining photocopies or scans of Inventarios from Archives in Ponta Delgada

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri,
There may have been some miscommunication as your experience falls
within option three.

Here's what they said:
- copia simples [photocopy] cost of 0,20 cents each
- copia digital [digital copy] cost of 0,65 cents each
- copia certificada [certified copy] where the more significant parts
of the inventory are extracted, which are the declarations of the head
of the couple, assets, map of assets division and Court's decision.
Cost $20,40 euros

When I contacted them by email I included a copy of my findings,
identifying file and its location in their Archives. Received a
response within a couple of days and after the wire payment was sent I
emailed them a copy of the receipt.  Within one week I received the
file.

Hope this helps.
Margaret

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 11:55 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> If you are there, you can request the inventario and take pictures with your 
> cell.
>
> If you are not there, you can email them. They told me they will only do 
> select pages that have to do with genealogy, but they told Margaret Vicente 
> they will copy the whole thing (everything is for a fee though). I guess 
> because I'm not fluent enough, they give me different answers (ummm, I could 
> pay someone to translate the whole thing if I wanted, so why do they tell me 
> they will only do select pages)?
> bpar.pdelgada.i...@azores.gov.pt
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 8:49 AM Scott Edward Anderson 
>  wrote:
>>
>> I seem to recall someone posting about obtaining copies of Inventarios and 
>> other documents from the Archives in Ponta Delgada, but I can't seem to find 
>> the posting. DOes anyone know what the process is?
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading margin note of SantaBarbaraMarriage record for Manuel Martins Coelho and Joana de Sao Joao

[Margaret Vicente]

I think I had already done this one, 

This is one is faded and hard to read but this is what I get:
em 24 de Sep.bro de 1775 passei deste termo hua cert.am a Fran.c Miz e Ma de S. 
Jose

certificate issued of this record to Francisco Martins and Maria de S. Jose in 
Sep 24 1775

Margaret
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Sent: August 22, 2019 11:49 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading margin note of 
SantaBarbaraMarriage record for Manuel Martins Coelho and Joana de Sao Joao

I’m so sorry. I wrote the bottom of the page and I meant top of the page. I can 
not read what is after their names. Thanks Cheri for responding and sorry I 
mistakenly put the bottom of the page. Please look at it again. Sincerely, 
Doreen

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From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 2:46 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading margin note of Santa 
BarbaraMarriage record for Manuel Martins Coelho and Joana de Sao Joao

Pedro Machado and Isabel Jose?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:33 AM  wrote:
Here’s another margin note I’m having problems reading.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1657-1703/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1657-1703_item1/P210.html
It is that the bottom of the page. Thanks again. Doreen Caetano
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Francisco Martins Coelho ofAltares

[Margaret Vicente]

Through my research I’ve learned that when a wedding was not performed during 
the “Ordinary cycle” of the liturgic year and fell within a “Feast cycle” i.e. 
Christmas and Easter, certain functions were performed after the Feast days 
were over.  They usually wrote “forbidden [tempo proibido] or impeded times 
[tempo impedido] ”

Margaret
From: Gordon soares
Sent: August 20, 2019 11:17 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Francisco Martins Coelho ofAltares

What does “the impeded time “ mean?
Gordon
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On Aug 20, 2019, at 8:15 AM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:
Doreen,
 
baptism: Em 5 de Novembro de 1772 passei certidao deste termos por me ser 
pedido.  Borges 1741-1714=27 
 
[per request I’v issued certification of this record was issued on November 5th 
1772. Borges]  
 
Subtraction note resulting in 27 is the priests calculation to determine his 
age at marriage.  
 
Marriage: Fran.co Mzi Coelho e Maria de S. Jose sendo de Minham [morning] no 4 
[11?] de Dezembro de 1741 e nao levaro as bensoes por ser tempo impedido. ---ja 
lhos dei as bencoes em 4 de Mayo de 1742
 
[This is part of the marriage record.  Because of the bleeding at the top of 
page, the priest re-wrote on the side their names, date of marriage and that 
blessings were not given due to it being during the impeded time.  Below he 
write … ja lhos dei as bencoes…[blessings already give on May 4th 1742]
 
Margaret
 
From: doreencaet...@gmail.com
Sent: August 20, 2019 9:08 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Francisco Martins Coelho of Altares
 
I have two records for Francisco Martins Coelho: his baptism and marriage 
records. Both have notes in the margin. Could you please read the margins notes 
and let me know what they are saying?
 
Marriage is on the right side of the page. He is marrying Maria de Sao Jose
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P96.html
 
Baptism is on the top left side of the page. He is the son of Manuel Martins 
Coelho and Joana da Sao Jose
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P65.html
Thank you for you help. Doreen Caetano
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Francisco Martins Coelho of Altares

[Margaret Vicente]

This is one is faded and hard to read but this is what I get:
em 24 de Sep.bro de 1775 passei deste termo hua cert.am a Fran.c Miz e Ma de S. 
Jose

certificate issued to Francisco Martins and Maria de S. Jose in Sep 24 1775

From: doreencaet...@gmail.com
Sent: August 20, 2019 9:08 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Francisco Martins Coelho of Altares

I have two records for Francisco Martins Coelho: his baptism and marriage 
records. Both have notes in the margin. Could you please read the margins notes 
and let me know what they are saying?

Marriage is on the right side of the page. He is marrying Maria de Sao Jose
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P96.html

Baptism is on the top left side of the page. He is the son of Manuel Martins 
Coelho and Joana da Sao Jose
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P65.html
Thank you for you help. Doreen Caetano

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Francisco Martins Coelho ofAltares

[Margaret Vicente]

Yes, I would also use Dec 4 as it does look like his number 4 but not as clear. 
 

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Very interesting. So what date do I used for the marriage? I guess the first 
one since there may be a child born in 9 months. Thank you. Doreen

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Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:15 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Francisco Martins Coelho ofAltares

Doreen,

baptism: Em 5 de Novembro de 1772 passei certidao deste termos por me ser 
pedido.  Borges 1741-1714=27 

[per request I’v issued certification of this record was issued on November 5th 
1772. Borges]  

Subtraction note resulting in 27 is the priests calculation to determine his 
age at marriage.  

Marriage: Fran.co Mzi Coelho e Maria de S. Jose sendo de Minham [morning] no 4 
[11?] de Dezembro de 1741 e nao levaro as bensoes por ser tempo impedido. ---ja 
lhos dei as bencoes em 4 de Mayo de 1742

[This is part of the marriage record.  Because of the bleeding at the top of 
page, the priest re-wrote on the side their names, date of marriage and that 
blessings were not given due to it being during the impeded time.  Below he 
write … ja lhos dei as bencoes…[blessings already give on May 4th 1742]

Margaret

From: doreencaet...@gmail.com
Sent: August 20, 2019 9:08 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Francisco Martins Coelho of Altares

I have two records for Francisco Martins Coelho: his baptism and marriage 
records. Both have notes in the margin. Could you please read the margins notes 
and let me know what they are saying?

Marriage is on the right side of the page. He is marrying Maria de Sao Jose
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P96.html

Baptism is on the top left side of the page. He is the son of Manuel Martins 
Coelho and Joana da Sao Jose
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P65.html
Thank you for you help. Doreen Caetano

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Francisco Martins Coelho of Altares

[Margaret Vicente]

Doreen,

baptism: Em 5 de Novembro de 1772 passei certidao deste termos por me ser 
pedido.  Borges 1741-1714=27 

[per request I’v issued certification of this record was issued on November 5th 
1772. Borges]  

Subtraction note resulting in 27 is the priests calculation to determine his 
age at marriage.  

Marriage: Fran.co Mzi Coelho e Maria de S. Jose sendo de Minham [morning] no 4 
[11?] de Dezembro de 1741 e nao levaro as bensoes por ser tempo impedido. ---ja 
lhos dei as bencoes em 4 de Mayo de 1742

[This is part of the marriage record.  Because of the bleeding at the top of 
page, the priest re-wrote on the side their names, date of marriage and that 
blessings were not given due to it being during the impeded time.  Below he 
write … ja lhos dei as bencoes…[blessings already give on May 4th 1742]

Margaret

From: doreencaet...@gmail.com
Sent: August 20, 2019 9:08 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Francisco Martins Coelho of Altares

I have two records for Francisco Martins Coelho: his baptism and marriage 
records. Both have notes in the margin. Could you please read the margins notes 
and let me know what they are saying?

Marriage is on the right side of the page. He is marrying Maria de Sao Jose
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P96.html

Baptism is on the top left side of the page. He is the son of Manuel Martins 
Coelho and Joana da Sao Jose
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P65.html
Thank you for you help. Doreen Caetano

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1644 Marriage, Estrella, Ribeira Grande, SaoMiguel

[Margaret Vicente]

Bill,

The surname may include Surdo, not necessarily that he was surdo.  The Mother 
is Isabel Nunes Nordelo.

I checked Tavares Silva tree and he has this couple, he included Surdo as part 
of the surname.  Have a look.

https://gw.geneanet.org/tavaressilva?iz=8=nordelo=0=francisco+lopes

Margaret
From: JR
Sent: August 19, 2019 9:16 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1644 Marriage, Estrella, Ribeira Grande, 
SaoMiguel

Surdo e mudo means deaf and mute, so perhaps he was deaf. 

JR

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 12:28:21 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
Thanks.  In this case scribble-scrabble = Surdo, which is also a name I don't 
recall seeing before.

I appreciate the help!

Bill

On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 9:25:33 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
Yes, I think it is Nunes. The mark before the N comes from the above P in 
Lopes. And Manoel Dias Surdo.

JR

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 12:16:41 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
Thanks Cheri...I see what you mean about the line above.  Could it be Nunes?

On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 8:53:22 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
HI Bill,

The groom's mom.the middle name isn't Simoes. That's the "p" from the line 
above dangling down. I wonder if it's supposed to be Morais, but it's spelled 
Mores?
Bride's dad...I don't know. Manuel Dias Scribble-scrabble.

You have the rest right.  Cheri
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 5:59 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
Marriage of Francisco Lopes Nordello and Maria Alvares, top left at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654_item1/P120.html

Looking for confirmation or correction.  What I have is:

Matriz da Estrella, 11 Jun 1644
Groom: Francisco Lopes Nordello, son of Francisco Daniel? and his wife Isabel 
Simoes Nordella, moradores do Porto Formoso? NS da Graça
Bride: Maria Alvares, daughter of Manuel Dias  and his wife Maria Alvares, 
moradores of this parish

Thanks,
Bill Seidler
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto. Need a little help,please

[Margaret Vicente]

Bol. Dir.= boletim direito ou direto [direct bulletin]

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: August 16, 2019 8:11 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto. Need a little 
help,please

In 1997 the guy from the archive in Ponta Delgada wrote that side note. I can't 
understand the abbreviation "Bol. Dir.".

#2 the sentence is tricky but basically the priest meant that both son and 
father were from the same parish (from São Pedro), and them moved on to the 
mother (from Barbara), going back to the "formal" model of the marriage 
records. Uff! 

A sexta, 16 de ago de 2019, 23:35, Cheri Mello  escreveu:
Side margin note #1: The marriage was dissolved by the death of the spouse, 
Maria Umbelina de Jesus, on the 31 March 1905, in the same parish, record #2. 
Then the next might be a 2nd margin note. Something happened on the 1 Oct 1997. 
I'm not sure if it's his death. There's 2 abbreviated words right after the 
(Ass. No.2).

On the groom's mother, yeah, it says legitimate mother. There's something 
before the dad's name too. More research is needed. Perhaps his mother died and 
he was raised by a stepmom? I've never seen this either, so perhaps a native 
speaker can shed more light on this.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 2:50 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
I have two questions on this one.  #1 what does the side note say?  It goes on 
to the next page for the side note and my second question.  #2 what is the word 
and what does it mean in front of the groom’s mother’s name?  The priest seems 
to be calling out that this is the father’s “legitimate” wife.  I don’t usually 
see that done….
 
#6, bottom right:  Manoel Soares Coelho and Maria Umbelina de Jesus
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1890-1899_item1/P45.html
 
As always, your help is much appreciated,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Gordon,

The last Couple of columns, starting at the very last, are: Observations [here 
they record physical characteristics], next is, Nome de Navio/Ship’s Name.

Some times findings turn out some surprises but that’s how it was.  Sorry, 
can’t answer your question about the port of arrival but if you say it’s New 
York, most likely you will find them in Ellis Island records.  

Actually, Joe Matias was the one who found your grandmother Marcelina’s 
passport.  The link below is for your grandfather Manuel.  I won’t post the 
link here to avoid confusion, but please do check your email for his message to 
you.

Margaret 

From: Gordon soares
Sent: August 15, 2019 1:47 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

Hi Margaret:
As usual you are amazing at finding these documents.I’m having trouble reading 
the column headings and all the scratch scratch in the last couple of 
columns.What they heck is that?
I have the marriage certificate for my grandparents…It created a great deal of 
angst for my father when he found out his mother and dad both had incognitos. 
Kind of unnerving in his day, I guess. 
Do you think if the ship my grandmother was on—the SS Dona Maria—landed in New 
York would she be listed in Ellis Island?
Finally, how do I find Manuel Machado Soares’ ship manifest like you did for 
Marcelina?
Gordon


On Aug 14, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

Hi Gordon,
 
Found your grandfather in passports 1901, # 329
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P146.html
 
>From their, found their marriage, # 8 right side
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P79.html
 
Margaret
 
From: Gordon soares
Sent: August 14, 2019 4:28 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help
 
I have found the ship my grandmother immigrated on and the date but can’t seem 
to find the ship passenger list.
 
Marcelina Gaspar Soares sailed on SS Dona Maria on June18,1902.
The SS Dona seems to have a few lists but not that date so I am guessing it is 
an arrival date that is on her immigration papers. What do you think?
 
I also need to find her husband (my grandfather) Manuel Machado Soares who 
applied for naturalization on June 20,1901 but apparently didn’t complete the 
process since my grandmother (above) indicates on her naturalization papers 
that her husband was not naturalized. Any suggestions on how to find his ship 
or other immigration info for him. He came from Pico.
 
Gordon
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Margaret Vicente]

Mahalo, Rich.

Just to say thank you.  The great thing about being in a group is that all of 
the other members are also at a ready to help and assist.  There are a few I 
could name .   None-the-less your email is very  much appreciated, thank you!

Happy to assist if and when you will have a question.

Cheers,

Margaret

From: Rich Mueller
Sent: August 14, 2019 7:10 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

Margaret, I haven't had to ask a question on my wife's side of our family but I 
have noticed that you are absolutely amazing at helping folks when they get 
stuck. Mahalo!

E malama pono
Rich Mueller
"Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can work to 
change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be 
written the history of this generation." - Robert F. Kennedy



On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 2:30 PM Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Hi Gordon,
 
Found your grandfather in passports 1901, # 329
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P146.html
 
>From their, found their marriage, # 8 right side
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P79.html
 
Margaret
 
From: Gordon soares
Sent: August 14, 2019 4:28 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help
 
I have found the ship my grandmother immigrated on and the date but can’t seem 
to find the ship passenger list.
 
Marcelina Gaspar Soares sailed on SS Dona Maria on June18,1902. 
The SS Dona seems to have a few lists but not that date so I am guessing it is 
an arrival date that is on her immigration papers. What do you think? 
 
I also need to find her husband (my grandfather) Manuel Machado Soares who 
applied for naturalization on June 20,1901 but apparently didn’t complete the 
process since my grandmother (above) indicates on her naturalization papers 
that her husband was not naturalized. Any suggestions on how to find his ship 
or other immigration info for him. He came from Pico.
 
Gordon
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Gordon,

Found your grandfather in passports 1901, # 329

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P146.html

>From their, found their marriage, # 8 right side

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P79.html

Margaret

From: Gordon soares
Sent: August 14, 2019 4:28 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

I have found the ship my grandmother immigrated on and the date but can’t seem 
to find the ship passenger list.

 Marcelina Gaspar Soares sailed on SS Dona Maria on June18,1902. 
The SS Dona seems to have a few lists but not that date so I am guessing it is 
an arrival date that is on her immigration papers. What do you think? 

I also need to find her husband (my grandfather) Manuel Machado Soares who 
applied for naturalization on June 20,1901 but apparently didn’t complete the 
process since my grandmother (above) indicates on her naturalization papers 
that her husband was not naturalized. Any suggestions on how to find his ship 
or other immigration info for him. He came from Pico.

Gordon

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1742 Marriage in Conceição, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel

[Margaret Vicente]

Yes, it is Bill!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2019, at 3:06 AM, Bill Seidler  wrote:
> 
> I just need to confirm one name I've never seen before.  It's the groom's 
> mother Maria Carrasca.  If I have this right, is Carrasca a surname?
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1723-1751/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1723-1751_item1/P153.html
>  (left side)
> 
> Bill Seidler
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Does anyone have any info regarding My GrandfatherAbel Roman Avila Born in Terceira in 1895 ?

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Trisha,

Did a quick check of the Terceira island passports and found your Grandfather.  
See right side # 815.  He was 15 years old and is comes from the parish of 
Fontinha, Praia da Vitoria, Ilha Terceira.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1909-1911/PASSAPORTES-TER-1909-1911_item1/P114.html

Here’s his birth record, left side, # 2

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-B-1890-1899/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-B-1890-1899_item1/P110.html

Margaret

From: Trisha Woolen
Sent: August 13, 2019 10:25 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Does anyone have any info regarding My 
GrandfatherAbel Roman Avila Born in Terceira in 1895 ?

Hi,
I have been doing some Research to find out more about my grandfather that came 
over on the SS Romanica in 1910 from the Azores. My dad also named Abel Roman 
Avila born in 1919 never had a chance to meet him.
Abel or Roman as he was called passed away in 1919. My father Abel Avila passed 
away in 1977 when I was 15 yrs old. We never knew anything about that side of 
the family.
Thank you so much for any info.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized

[Margaret Vicente]

Really weird.  Funny part is “Hypatia” is also a name, albeit Greek 

Cheers, Cheri.
Margaret

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: August 13, 2019 6:34 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized

Yeah, I was scratching my head over your previous email :)

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 3:19 PM Margaret Vicente  
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Sorry, auto correct interference.  It is written Hylaria, present day Hilaria.
 
Margaret
 
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized
 
Well this one I can read but the baby being baptized has a very usual name. 
Need help with just the name of the baby on the top left side of the page. 
Thanks Doreen
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P13.html
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized

[Margaret Vicente]

Sorry, auto correct interference.  It is written Hylaria, present day Hilaria.

Margaret

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized

Well this one I can read but the baby being baptized has a very usual name. 
Need help with just the name of the baby on the top left side of the page. 
Thanks Doreen
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P13.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading Altares Marriage record for Manuel Vieira of Santa Barbara and Catarina Martins, widow of Salvador Nogueiro of Altares

[Margaret Vicente]

The mother is Maria Biliagua. Currently Beliago. 



> On Aug 13, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Bill Seidler  wrote:
> 
> "...natural de paroquial de Santa Barbara do lugar das Ribeyras, ilha do Pico 
> filho de..."  So he is from Ribeiras, Lajes do Pico.  I took a peek and the 
> baptisms there start in 1697 so I'm not sure where you go from there.  Both 
> of the groom's parents are deceased (it say "defuntos" rather than 
> "defunta").  Also, I'm at a loss as to the second name of the groom's mother 
> "Bilboya"?
> 
> Bill Seidler
>  
>> On Tuesday, August 13, 2019 at 9:45:56 AM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote:
>> I need help reading the parents of the groom Manuel Vieira. I’m getting lost 
>> in the text. I see Manuel Vieira, natural to Santa Barbara,  son of 
>> Manuel Vieira and Maria Biboya, deceased, married Maria Martins, correction 
>> Catarina Martins….
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P110.html
>> 
>> It is on the right side of the page.
>> 
>> Thank you for you assistance.
>> 
>> Doreen Caetano
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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>>  
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized

[Margaret Vicente]

It is Hypatia,  currently Hilario



> On Aug 13, 2019, at 2:41 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Well this one I can read but the baby being baptized has a very usual name. 
> Need help with just the name of the baby on the top left side of the page. 
> Thanks Doreen
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P13.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a Conselho de Familia in aninventario?

[Margaret Vicente]

Debbie,

A ‘vogal’  translates to “member ”, in this case; a member of the Family 
Council.

The surname is probably due to a first name adopted by the next generation as 
their last name.  To exemplify it, someone name Germano X had a son who was 
given the name Pedro who then would go on as Pedro + Germano = Pedro Germano

I looked up the Etymology of the word and post it here for a quick look, to see 
more please click on the link

Etymology 
From Latin germānus (“brotherly”).
germano (feminine singular germana, masculine plural germani, feminine plural 
germane)
1. born from the same parents
fratello germano ― sibling
germano m (plural germani)
1. (poetic) brother
Synonym: fratello

 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/germano#Etymology_2

Margaret

From: JesseAndDeborah Mendonca
Sent: August 12, 2019 7:37 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a Conselho de Familia in aninventario?

Vogais is the other term that was not translated correctly.   Margaret, what 
does it mean?   My spellcheck changed it in my earlier email.   It goes where 
the line was in the google translation.    

Glad for the correct Germanos translation.   Does that term at all connect with 
the similar surname that I have come across several times?

Debbie




On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 12:17 PM Margaret Vicente  
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You’re welcome!
 
The file should include a page with the Court’s instructions regarding the 
election of the Council.  In my  case the members were elected by the “widow”.  
She selected 3 of her husband’s brothers of which she named one to be the head 
of Council, and the other two were her brother and the next door neighbor.
 
What Angela provided is right for that time period but, here’s the link for the 
present Civil Code regulations of the Family Council.  It’s in Portuguese.
 
https://dre.pt/legislacao-consolidada/-/lc/106487514/201703171158/73409442/diploma/indice
 
Margaret
 
From: IslandRoutes
Sent: August 12, 2019 1:45 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a Conselho de Familia in aninventario?
 
Thank you all for your answers! Angela and Margaret your descriptions are very 
helpful.  
 
I have another question.  Who selects the conselho members?  Are there elders 
in the family who are automatically appointed, would the widow or grown 
children select them, or is the court the one that names them?
 
Thank you all for your help!
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a Conselho de Familia in aninventario?

[Margaret Vicente]

You’re welcome!

The file should include a page with the Court’s instructions regarding the 
election of the Council.  In my  case the members were elected by the “widow”.  
She selected 3 of her husband’s brothers of which she named one to be the head 
of Council, and the other two were her brother and the next door neighbor.

What Angela provided is right for that time period but, here’s the link for the 
present Civil Code regulations of the Family Council.  It’s in Portuguese.

https://dre.pt/legislacao-consolidada/-/lc/106487514/201703171158/73409442/diploma/indice

Margaret

From: IslandRoutes
Sent: August 12, 2019 1:45 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a Conselho de Familia in aninventario?

Thank you all for your answers! Angela and Margaret your descriptions are very 
helpful.  

I have another question.  Who selects the conselho members?  Are there elders 
in the family who are automatically appointed, would the widow or grown 
children select them, or is the court the one that names them?

Thank you all for your help!

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism of Twins of Manuel de Oliveira and MariaCoelho

[Margaret Vicente]

Doreen, 

The request is clearly expressed.  
A) The Birth record of Joao is not related to the one of Joseph on the page on 
the right and 
B) neither record makes mention of gemeos/twins.  

Joao’s baptism reads:  born on 22nd of May 1708, son of Manuel de Oliveira, 
natural of S. Antonio Island of Pico, and of his wife Maria Coelha, natural of 
this parish of S. Rqoue.  Baptized on the 16th of the said month by me . 
Godparents, Manuel Nunes, son of Domingos Nunes, and of his wife Beatriz Costa, 
deceased, and Ana Marques daughter of Joao Marques, and of his wife Barbara 
Dias, deceased, parishioners of S. Roque

Joao’s parents marriage record:
Date: 28 November 1696
Groom:  Manuel de Olieira, natural of Island of Pico where he came from as a 
minor, parishioner of S. Roque dos Altares, son of Amaro Xodre [Sodre], absent 
and of his mother [wife] Maria de Oliveira parisioners of S. Antonio in the 
Furna place of the Island of Pico
Bride: Maria Coelha, daughter of Domingos Gonclaves and Ines Goncalves, 
parishioners of S. Rque and in her/em nela {church of S. Roque] baptized.

Margaret

From: doreencaet...@gmail.com
Sent: August 6, 2019 12:37 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism of Twins of Manuel de Oliveira and 
MariaCoelho

I have an usual record. The first record is on the left side of the page for 
Joam (a twin) the son of Manuel e Oliveira and Maria Coelho. Now I’m having a 
hard time reading their marriage record so these two record are very important. 
I think the baptism of the second twin Joseph (at the top of the right side of 
the page) mentions that his father Manuel de Oliveira is the son of Joao Coelho 
Cardoso and Maria Martins. 
Please, any help would be appreciated. This is an end of tree for me since I 
can not read the marriage record.
Joam and Joseph’s baptism records-
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P6.html

Here’s Manuel de Oliveira and Maria Coelho’s marriage record-
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P71.html

Thanks, Doreen Caetano

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with names on 1686 Rabo de Peixemarriage

[Margaret Vicente]

I’m here thinking it doesn’t really matter but just as an fyi, there’s a 
technical difference in how it is translated, because records state “que Deus 
tem” which is less violent then “que Deus levou”, which is how is being 
interpreted.

1. Que Deus tem [whom G-d has] 
2. Que Deus levou [whom G-d has taken]

Margaret

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: August 3, 2019 11:32 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with names on 1686 Rabo de 
Peixemarriage

Interesting. I've never seen "whom God has taken/que Deus tem." You learn 
something new every day!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 8:20 AM JR  wrote:
Manoel de Souza, que Deus tem= whom God has taken, also deceased. You are doing 
very well indeed.

JR

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 2:55:07 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
I see Manuel Barbaosa filho de Pedro Barbosa e de Maria Fernandes com Barbara 
da Sousa, filha de Manuel da Sousa  e de Maria da Silva.  It's good writing 
but I can't make out that one name.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1674-1700/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1674-1700_item1/P33.html
 (second on left)

Thanks,
Bill Seidler
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira(Lajes do Pico)

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Sandra,

In order to visualize what happened I had to do a time line so I could see what 
and when.
First two children: legitimate of Manuel Silveira de Brum and Genoveva Inacia

08-02-1869 Manuel f.o legitimo Mel Silveira de Brum e Genoveva Inacia
05-11-1871 Maria fa legitima Mel Silveira de Brum, Agricultor e Genoveva Inacia

In between 1871 and 1874 – Manuel Silveira passed away –  

Genoveva continued to have children, “naturally” and of “unknown” father:
26-09-1874 Joao fo natural de Genovea inacia, viuva de
08-11-1877 Maria fa natural Genoveva inacia, viuva de 
10-06-1880 Francisca fa natural Genoveva inacia, viuva de

Marriage of Maria do Rosario, says “Illegitimate” daughter of Genoveva, viuva.  
 With this “qualification” the illegitimate indicates the unknown father was a 
married man, that’s where the “illegitimate” versus natural, were the father 
single, or widower.

Hope this helps.
Margaret

From: Sandra Valine Dauer
Sent: August 3, 2019 1:15 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng 
Almagreira(Lajes do Pico)

Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter of 
Genoveva
bottom right top left
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html
 
Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer 


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On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
Gayle thanks for the idea.  Here is Maria Rosario marriage record.  I think it 
says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no mention of a 
Father.  Is this correct?  Need help with the lines after describing the 
witness Jose Maria Bettencourt.
 For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in 
California.  She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno County, 
California had ten children, Manuel died 1922.  Next she married Manuel 
Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers.  Francisca died 1947 and is buried with her 
first husband in Selma, Calfornia.
Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer


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On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Sandra,

This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM and 
that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I went back 
to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed as “natural” 
not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it was known or 
merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely assumed, maybe she 
couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of the last three children 
to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained incognito ? If known, who 
was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out.  

Gayle

On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on the 
first two children.  On the last three children she is listed a widow. On the 
4th child widow of Manuel Silveira.  Is the correct on the five records? Anyone 
have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or she is considered a 
widow?  The links are listed below.  Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer
1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html
  
2. Maria bottom left top right No 81
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html
 
3. Joao bottom right top left No 84 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html
  
4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html
 
5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881_item1/P159.html
  
 


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Camara, Costa Ganhadeiro in Rabo de Peixe, SaoMiguel island

[Margaret Vicente]

Confirming, Jose da Costa Ganhadeiro.

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: August 2, 2019 9:46 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Camara, Costa Ganhadeiro in Rabo de Peixe, 
SaoMiguel island

I need a 2nd opinion on the maternal grandfather, 9 lines from the bottom:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1880-1884/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1880-1884_item1/P168.html

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriage record ofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670

[Margaret Vicente]

Like Cheri says, ‘too much vino’ 
Groom’s parents: Joao Goncalves, deceased and of his wife Maria Manuel 
with Maria Nunes, daughter of Manuel Martins Berberea and of his wife Maria 
Nunes.

Margaret
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Sent: July 30, 2019 2:21 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriage record 
ofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670

I need help reading this marriage record. If I follow the normal pattern it 
seems like the priest was not writing in a straight line. I thin it says the 
grooms parents are Joao Goncalves and Maria Marques. The bride’s parents would 
be Manuel Martins Berbereia and Maria Nunes. The problem is I can not find the 
groom’s parents’ marriage. So this is making me question whether I have handled 
the mismatched lines correctly. I’m think that my limitations in the Portuguese 
language may have made me make a mistake. It is no the bottom of the right side 
of the page. Thank you again, Doreen Caetano
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P27.html


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record of Francisco Goncavles Cabaco andIsabel Rodrigues of Altares

[Margaret Vicente]

Doreen,

I’m reading as:  Francisco Goncalves of Isabel Vieira with Isabel Rodrigues 
daughter of Manuel Rodrigues Couto, deceased and of Catarina Simoa


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record of Francisco Goncavles Cabaco 
andIsabel Rodrigues of Altares

I need help with Francisco’s information. Is it saying he is the widow of 
Isabel Lourenco? It is the record in the lower left side of the page. Thanks 
again, Doreen Caetano
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P41.html

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Children of Manuel Silva and Antonia de Pimentel1700s Agua Retorta

[Margaret Vicente]

Bill,

I have the same 11.  I’ll PM to you my family group sheet.

Margaret
From: Bill Seidler
Sent: July 29, 2019 12:25 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Children of Manuel Silva and Antonia de 
Pimentel1700s Agua Retorta

I've been researching this couple for past few days and was hoping I could 
compare notes on their children that I have found if someone else has them also.

1.  Manuel da Silva, born 23 Sep 1707, (bottom left) married 21 May 1738 
(bottom right) to Maria da Sousa
2.  Josepha de Pimentel, born 22 Sep 1709,(bottom right) married 2 Jul 1732 
(bottom right) to Manuel Furtado Botelho
3.  Maria de Pimentel, born 3 Jan 1712,(right lower)  married 15 Dec 1731 (top 
right) to Manuel da Mota Botelho
4.  Francisco da Silva, born 23 Jan 1716,(top left)  married 1 Dec 1746 (bottom 
left) to Maria da Encarnação
5.  João da Silva, born 3 May 1718 (top right), married 11 May 1743 (right) to 
Isabel de Medeiros
6.  Barbara, born 15 Sep 1719 (bottom left)  (would have been 26 on 27 May 
1746, date of Barbara obit)
7.  Isabel de Pimentel, baptism not found, married 31 Jul 1741 (left) to João 
Raposo Corrêa
8.  Ana de Pimentel, born 26 Jul 1721 (bottom left), married 30 Dec 1743 (left) 
to Manuel de Medeiros Barbosa
9.  Barbara, born 1 Mar 1724 (center left) (would have been 22 on 27 May 1746, 
date of Barbara obit)
10. Joana, baptism not found, married 12 Dec 1746 (left) to João da Sousa Soares
11. Quiteria, born 16 Sep 1729 (bottom right), married 6 May 1751 (bottom left) 
to Antonio de Resendes

I have two named Barbara that I only have baptisms for.  One of them died 
single on 27 May 1746 (top left) at 24 years old, more or less.  
I found marriages of Isabel and Joana while looking for marriages for the 
others but I never found corresponding baptisms.  Perhaps one of them was 
baptised as Barbara?

I appreciate any input.  Thanks,

Bill Seidler
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage of Manuel de Medeiros andAnaPimentel, Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel, 1743

[Margaret Vicente]

You’re welcome Bill.  These are my ancestors, had her as Antonia as per the 
marriage record.  The children’s birth records also state Antonia.  Here’s Ana 
Pimentel.  Bottom left

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1700-1725/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1700-1725_item1/P142.html

Margaret

From: Bill Seidler
Sent: July 25, 2019 10:28 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage of Manuel de Medeiros 
andAnaPimentel, Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel, 1743

Thank you Margaret.  I thought George Pacheco would have it right.  I confirmed 
that it was him that posted the tree in March 2015 and I have now found records 
to substantiate about everything he provided. 

If you are still out there George, thank you again!

Bill Seidler



On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 5:55:07 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
Hi Bill,
 
Yes, that’s right, it says:  “alias Antonia de Pimentel” the word alias means 
the same as “digo” which means “it is instead” / differently / correction 
 
Margare
 
From: Bill Seidler
Sent: July 25, 2019 8:41 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage of Manuel de Medeiros and AnaPimentel, 
Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel, 1743
 
Here is my original post but this time with a link:
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1742-1756/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1742-1756_item1/P17.html
 (left side)
 
Hoping for some clarification on this marriage. I see it as follows:
 
Date 30 Dec 1743
Groom: Manuel de Medeiros, son of Manuel Barbosa and Maria de Medeiros, both 
deceased.
Bride: Ana de Pimental, daughter of Manuel Silva and Maria de Pimentel
All are from this same parish.
 
My question is about a note in the lower right margin that seems to refer to 
the name Antonia.  A few years ago,some one from this group (George Pacheco I 
think) posted a part of this family tree that lists Ana's mother as Antonia 
Pimentel instead of Maria.  Is that margin note some kind of correction or 
clarification that the bride's mother's name should be Antonia?
 
Bill Seidler
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage of Mateus LuisPereira and Maria Soares

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri’s marriage date of Dec 1st 1701 is correct.

Can read the following
Groom, Mateus Pereira son of Antonio xx? and Maria Pereira, parishioners of N. 
Senhora da Piedade … Ilha do Pico …
Bride, Maria Soares, daughter of Gaspar Fernandes and Isabel Soares

Sorry, cannot discern groom’s father surname.

Margaret

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: July 25, 2019 8:43 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage of Mateus 
LuisPereira and Maria Soares

1st Dec 1701. I can't read in this light. The date was hard enough for me to 
see. Hopefully someone else can read it or you can use the Terceira marriage 
index.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:43 AM  wrote:
 
I need help reading the marriage record of Mateus and Maria. It is at the 
bottom of the right side of the page.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P83.html
I see 12/4/1701 in Altares. Groom Mateus (Luis) Pereira, son of Antonio? and 
Maria Pereira of Piedade? Marries Maria (Joaquina) Soares, daughter of Gaspar 
Fernandes Coelho and (Isabel Soares) () denotes information I have extracted 
from other records. Please make sure I’m reading this correctly. The style of 
writing is a little harder to read and then the faded ink is not helping as 
well as the missing part of the page at the bottom. I can not read the groom 
parents information.
Thank you, Doreen
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage of Manuel de Medeiros and AnaPimentel, Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel, 1743

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Bill,

Yes, that’s right, it says:  “alias Antonia de Pimentel” the word alias means 
the same as “digo” which means “it is instead” / differently / correction 

Margare

From: Bill Seidler
Sent: July 25, 2019 8:41 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage of Manuel de Medeiros and AnaPimentel, 
Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel, 1743

Here is my original post but this time with a link:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1742-1756/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1742-1756_item1/P17.html
 (left side)

Hoping for some clarification on this marriage. I see it as follows:

Date 30 Dec 1743
Groom: Manuel de Medeiros, son of Manuel Barbosa and Maria de Medeiros, both 
deceased.
Bride: Ana de Pimental, daughter of Manuel Silva and Maria de Pimentel
All are from this same parish.

My question is about a note in the lower right margin that seems to refer to 
the name Antonia.  A few years ago,some one from this group (George Pacheco I 
think) posted a part of this family tree that lists Ana's mother as Antonia 
Pimentel instead of Maria.  Is that margin note some kind of correction or 
clarification that the bride's mother's name should be Antonia?

Bill Seidler
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Whittles, De Visme, Lloyd in San Miguel

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Jan,

Have you seen this?
https://www.1820settlers.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I102752=master

Margaret 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: July 10, 2019 9:17 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Whittles, De Visme, Lloyd in San Miguel

Glad someone can find it. I did a Ctrl+F and still couldn't find him. Hopefully 
Jan V. can.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 5:56 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
No Henry Lloyd in the list:  
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_governantes_dos_A%C3%A7ores

Maybe he went there for diferent reasons.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia quinta, 11/07/2019 à(s) 01:46:
Jan,

Go back and reread the email. I did not give you the link to FamilySearch. I 
gave you the link to Tombo.pt, which in turn, links you to the AZOREAN 
GOVERNMENT web site. There is a difference between the two. 

To my knowledge, the Azores never had governors. I don't think they'd let a 
non-Portuguese have power. However, I am not well versed in Azorean history, so 
those who are will chime in, I'm sure.

Happy hunting,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:41 PM Jan Visinko  wrote:
Hi Thanks for your reply, it was very helpful.  I am familiar with the 
Familysearch site.  But knowing the steps to use in researching so thanks for 
including them.  I believe Jane Whittle was born in the Azores circa 1800.  I 
have also read that her guardian Henry Lloyd was the temporary governor of the 
Azores he was born 1784 died 1844. I am trying to google the governors to see 
if I can confirm.  Warm Regards, Jan Visinko

On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 2:46 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
Jan V,

Where was Jane Whittle born? You never state that.

The Azores is an autonomous region of Portugal. They consist of 9 islands, the 
largest of which is Sao Miguel. San Miguel is one of the Channel Islands off 
the coast of California. :)

Everything in the Azores is organized on the town level (village or freguesia). 
They are mainly the Catholic records. Were your people Catholic? If so, start 
going through all 70 or so churches on Sao Miguel island, looking for your 
people. https://tombo.pt/i/sao-miguel

If they were not Catholic, they may have used the Civil Registry for that time 
period. Some of those records exist. I don't believe they were digitized. You 
will have to go to your local Family History Center (FHC) that is affiliated 
with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (no, you don't need to be 
Mormon to use their library). You will have to order the film for each village 
that had Civil Registry records and look through them for your people.
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 9:37 AM Jan Visinko  wrote:
Hi, I am from Australia. I am looking for the birth of my ggg grandmother Jane 
Whittle born circa 1800.  On Jane's marriage certificate she has guardians 
called Henry and Mary Lloyd.  Her husband James Christie worked for Lloyds 
Shipping in Portugal (Aveiro and Figueira) 1818.  I believe she could be the 
daughter of Col. Samuel Whittle and his wife Catharine, and the sister of Mary 
Lloyd, born in San Miguel 28.10.1789, full name Alicia Mary de Visme Whittle. 
She married Henry Lloyd in UK 1811. I believe Jane and James met in Portugal, 
went by ship to England to marry and returned to St. Miguel. There first born 
Mary Jane was born in Portugal.   Is there anyone who can help me with these 
families?  I would be most grateful, thanks Jan Visinko, Blue Mountains, NSW, 
Australia. 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Question re: Searching Passportes

[Margaret Vicente]

Yes, that’s the right date.  April 1st 1882.  Passenger # 369 he’s travelling 
with his wife.  Also note his brother Manuel is # 370, also travelling with 
wife and son.

Margaret

From: jomig...@sbcglobal.net
Sent: July 10, 2019 9:59 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Question re: Searching Passportes

Thanks, I understand.  I'm quite sure I located Jacinto Miguel on page 0094, 
passenger number 309.  Am I reading the date correctly, as 1882 April 1 ??

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 1:48:35 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
Josephine,

A group of villages (freguesias) belong to a council (concelho - similar to a 
U.S. County).
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:47 PM JOSEPHINE MIGUEL  wrote:
Cheri,
Got it...thank you.  What does "council" mean?

Josephine

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 05:25:51 PM PDT, Cheri Mello  
wrote: 


Try this: 
https://sites.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-8.html
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


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wrote:
I have been doing a search in Passportes - Ponta Delgada.  Is there somewhere 
to find what the Headings at the top of each column say (in English)?

Thanks,
Josephine Miguel
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro Sao Jorge

[Margaret Vicente]

Rosemarie,

There is historical evidence as to why.  To give you a general idea:

The Liberal war or The War of the Two Brothers during 1830-1832. 
 In 1832, the island of Sao Miguel and Santa Maria were for Miguelist’s 
[Miguel, the King’s brother] opposed King Pedro, who was in Brazil, while 
England sat in the throne of Portugal.  Upon King Pedro’s arrival on the island 
of Terceira and after winning a final battle to take control of Sao Miguel, the 
island was then flooded by the Kings’ troops from the islands to the West; many 
of these may have been given incentives by the King to occupy, and so they did. 
 They also brought over to the island their sweethearts, marrying them while 
still in the service.  For all those that stayed, some of their children 
returned to their father’s particular island and started the cycle all over. 
Also in 1832 the King Pedro, dismantled the religious orders and nationalized 
their properties and land with the intent to pass it on to the people, however 
the majority were too poor to afford any of it and it fell through after his 
death 1834.  

>From 1800 – to 1880:  WORK
1 - There was the cultivation and great exportation of the Oranges from Ponta 
Delgada to England.  Many Açorianos from the islands to the West, moved to Sao 
Miguel occupying all kinds of services, including women. 
2 – The construction of the Port of Ponta Delgada – saw another influx 

Many didn’t travel by their own means in cases like the Landowners with 
property locations in various islands.  Dr. Ernesto do Canto is a good example 
I can site.  A few like him would transport their ‘good hands’ back and forth.  
Some single ones would end up marrying and started a new life in the respective 
island.

Hope this helps.
Margaret v
From: Rosemarie Capodicci
Sent: July 8, 2019 1:18 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro Sao Jorge

I can't believe how much they traveled from one island to another! 

Rosemarie 
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:02 PM William Seidler  wrote:
Yes there was definitely some moving around.  My wife's 3d great grandfather 
was born in Praia, Graciosa; showed up in Matriz de Sao Sebastiao, Ponta 
Delgada, Sao Miguel where he married a woman from Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge.  The 
couple had their first child in Praia, Graciosa, a few months later, then their 
second and third in Urzelina, Sao Jorge.  I then lost track of him, but his 
wife died in Urzelina in 1901 and her obit said she was still married.

Bill Seidler
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Angela,

That’s what I have.  You asked about the mother’s line,  I’ll PM it to you.


From: Ângela Loura
Sent: July 8, 2019 2:53 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

Hi Margaret,

After reading your reply I found on CCA an index book for a short period of 
baptisms in Água de Pau, and I think I found the remaining 4 children:
• (1) Cândida
• (3) José
• (4) Lebania
• (6) Miquelina
Are these names the ones you have? 
After reading Candida's record now I get that the mother appeared as Maria 
Miquelina in the marriage record!



A segunda, 8 de jul de 2019, 01:40, Ângela Loura  
escreveu:
Thanks Margaret, another José! :) Still the age on the death record is off, 
they forgot to add the "pouco mais ou menos".
Do you have more record on the mother? I'm wondering why she show's as Maria 
Miguelina on her marriage, and Maria dos Anjos on her children baptism and 
death records...

I am asking for other sibbling because i'd like to try to find descendants of 
this couple. 

Once again thank you so much for your help.



Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia segunda, 8/07/2019 
à(s) 01:26:
I have six children for this couple.  Are you looking for anyone in particular, 
aside from Jose?

The baptism link I sent earlier you was the wrong Jose, sorry.  Here's the 
right one, top, right side.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832_item1/P116.html
  

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 6:38 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
Margaret, thank you so much

Do you know if this couple had more children?

Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia domingo, 7/07/2019 
à(s) 21:41:
Angela,

I have this family. Here's his birth record, left page:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825_item1/P90.html
 

Here's the parents, left side:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P84.html
 

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
Hi Mara, thank you for your reply. Since i last posted i was able to check what 
that link is all about. It's an index of something called Índices do Cartório 
da Mitra de Angra, that is slowly becoming available in the Atlântida magazine, 
and can be helpflul to Genealogy.

In adition, a relative of mine found the death record for the priest José 
Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel. He died in 1888 at the age of 54 in Ribeira Chã, and 
it states that his parents were from Villa da Lagoa. I tried to shearch the 
matching period of his birth, but so far nothing. 

Anyone came across his parents?

José Jacinto Ferreira & Maria dos Anjos from "Villa da Lagoa" (São Miguel) 



Thanks!


segunda-feira, 10 de Junho de 2019 às 01:29:53 UTC+1, Ângela Loura escreveu:
Anyone here has in their tree a priest from the 1800s called José Jacinto 
Ferreira Pimentel? 
I believe he was from São Miguel. He spent a few years in Santa Maria, and i 
think that after that he was in Arrifes. 

Any clue would be very helpfull. 

Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

[Margaret Vicente]

I have six children for this couple.  Are you looking for anyone in
particular, aside from Jose?

The baptism link I sent earlier you was the wrong Jose, sorry.  Here's the
right one, top, right side.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1825-1832_item1/P116.html


On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 6:38 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> Margaret, thank you so much
>
> Do you know if this couple had more children?
>
> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia domingo,
> 7/07/2019 à(s) 21:41:
>
>> Angela,
>>
>> I have this family. Here's his birth record, left page:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825_item1/P90.html
>>
>>
>> Here's the parents, left side:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P84.html
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Ângela Loura 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mara, thank you for your reply. Since i last posted i was able to
>>> check what that link is all about. It's an index of something called 
>>> *Índices
>>> do Cartório da Mitra de Angra*, that is slowly becoming available in
>>> the *Atlântida* magazine, and can be helpflul to Genealogy.
>>>
>>> In adition, a relative of mine found the death record for the priest
>>> José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel. He died in 1888 at the age of 54 in Ribeira
>>> Chã, and it states that his parents were from *Villa da Lagoa*. I tried
>>> to shearch the matching period of his birth, but so far nothing.
>>>
>>> Anyone came across his parents?
>>>
>>> José Jacinto Ferreira & Maria dos Anjos from "Villa da Lagoa" (São
>>> Miguel)
>>>
>>> [image: jjf ma.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> segunda-feira, 10 de Junho de 2019 às 01:29:53 UTC+1, Ângela Loura
>>> escreveu:
>>>>
>>>> Anyone here has in their tree a priest from the 1800s called José
>>>> Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel?
>>>> I believe he was from São Miguel. He spent a few years in Santa Maria,
>>>> and i think that after that he was in Arrifes.
>>>>
>>>> Any clue would be very helpfull.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

[Margaret Vicente]

Angela,

I have this family. Here's his birth record, left page:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1821-1825_item1/P90.html


Here's the parents, left side:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P84.html


On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> Hi Mara, thank you for your reply. Since i last posted i was able to check
> what that link is all about. It's an index of something called *Índices
> do Cartório da Mitra de Angra*, that is slowly becoming available in the
> *Atlântida* magazine, and can be helpflul to Genealogy.
>
> In adition, a relative of mine found the death record for the priest José
> Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel. He died in 1888 at the age of 54 in Ribeira Chã,
> and it states that his parents were from *Villa da Lagoa*. I tried to
> shearch the matching period of his birth, but so far nothing.
>
> Anyone came across his parents?
>
> José Jacinto Ferreira & Maria dos Anjos from "Villa da Lagoa" (São
> Miguel)
>
> [image: jjf ma.jpg]
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> segunda-feira, 10 de Junho de 2019 às 01:29:53 UTC+1, Ângela Loura
> escreveu:
>>
>> Anyone here has in their tree a priest from the 1800s called José
>> Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel?
>> I believe he was from São Miguel. He spent a few years in Santa Maria,
>> and i think that after that he was in Arrifes.
>>
>> Any clue would be very helpfull.
>>
>> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Cruz Graciosa 1741 obit for Susana Vieira

[Margaret Vicente]

You’re welcome Bill

That’s not too bad then if others contain the ages.  I only looked at yours.

Yes, it reads 105 years old.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 2, 2019, at 5:05 PM, William Seidler  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Margaret.  I was curious because I'm not used to seeing margin 
> notes on obitos; this is the only one in this image.  I do see the age give 
> in several records on this image, but at least two do not give the age.  
> 
> On the second on the right for Maria Picança, does it say 105 years old?
> 
> Bill
> 
>> On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 8:08:47 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>> No age on the record or for this time period.  
>> 
>> Here's what I see."Em este aqui estao hirada [fiada?] pello procurador dos 
>> Reziduos.  Interpreting "In this one here, it was erected {or owed} to the 
>> Residual/Waste Attorney.
>> 
>> It would mean the grave was to the credit of the Residuals Attorney's 
>> 
>> Margaret
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 1:06 AM William Seidler  wrote:
>>> Second Obito on left is for Susan Vieira, widow of Manuel Luis on 21 Aug 
>>> 1741.  Can anyone make out what the margin note is saying?  How about her 
>>> age?
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-O-1731-1746/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-O-1731-1746_item1/P36.html
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>>> Thanks for any help.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Cruz Graciosa 1741 obit for Susana Vieira

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Bill,

No age on the record or for this time period.

Here's what I see."Em este aqui estao hirada [fiada?] pello procurador dos
Reziduos.  Interpreting "In this one here, it was erected {or owed} to the
Residual/Waste Attorney.

It would mean the grave was to the credit of the Residuals Attorney's

Margaret


On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 1:06 AM William Seidler  wrote:

> Second Obito on left is for Susan Vieira, widow of Manuel Luis on 21 Aug
> 1741.  Can anyone make out what the margin note is saying?  How about her
> age?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-O-1731-1746/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-O-1731-1746_item1/P36.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Topo marriage side note

[Margaret Vicente]

My apologies, gave you the opposite record.  Here’s their birthdates. Re An.to 
Luiz com Angella Marianna.  Born: His May 12 1782, Hers Mar 28 1783.  

Margaret 


From: Cheri Mello
Sent: July 1, 2019 8:01 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Topo marriage side note

Duh, yes, Angela got it. Should have compared the "P" to Parish in the line 
below. It is one funny looking G though!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 4:59 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
Isabel d'Oliveira
Manuel Silveira Gregório

Marilyn Thompson  escreveu no dia segunda, 1/07/2019 à(s) 
23:54:
Right page
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1796-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1796-1828_item1/P65.html
  

This is what I have date of marriage: 11 Aug 1804 in Topo
 Antonio Luiz son of Manuel Luiz Pereira and Isabel ___  Topo
Angela Marianna daughter of Manuel Silveira ___ and Anna Maria Do Rozario   
Ribeira Seca
I can see that it looks like dates in the margin, but do not know what they are 
for
Thanks you for your help
Marilyn T
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel Marriages

[Margaret Vicente]

It’s nothing, Rosemarie.
No, the budget was approved by that amount.  Take a look at the check mark on 
the box for the “approved” near the top for the island of Sao Miguel.  

It says the indexation for the island of Madeira was a success under the 
leadership of an Acoreano which seem to indicate this project might be under 
the same /similar leadership under the execution/direction of BPARPD. 
Margaret

From: Rosemarie Capodicci
Sent: July 1, 2019 8:07 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel Marriages

Thanks, Margaret
I did Google Translate and did get the gist of the email. Are they trying to 
collect $$ for the project though and who is going to index? 
 

Rosemarie 
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 4:40 PM Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Rosemarie,

They’re advising the plan to index and bring together all already digitized 
indexes like Madeira island is now possible due to the historic interest 
expressed in roots tech.  Yes it looks like they will do it all for the island 
of Sao Miguel up to 1920.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 1, 2019, at 6:45 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
Hi all,
I just received this email with info about, I think, the Azores Govt. trying to 
raise $$ to index all of the marriages of Sao Miguel. Would a native 
speaker/reader please look at the site and tell us what is going on?? If they 
are going to do the job, there is no reason to try and get everyone else to do 
bits and pieces but I don't know what the plan really is? 
https://op.azores.gov.pt/antepropostas/todas/op-acores-2019/33-indexacao-dos-registos-de-casamento-da-ilha-de-sao-miguel?fbclid=IwAR2o0vCv2WDvEfailbj4899CqYCuWldg-0NKi7qjAZbUd56LmvBaam9KqGg



Thanks, 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Topo marriage side note

[Margaret Vicente]

Marilyn,
The margin notes are their birth dates: Nasceirao ele em 15 de Janr.o de 1776, 
ella em 6 de Fevr.o de 1778. / Born, ele/the groom Jan 15 1776, the bride [ela] 
Feb 6 1778.
Mv


From: Marilyn Thompson
Sent: July 1, 2019 6:54 PM
To: Cheri Mello
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Topo marriage side note

Right page
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1796-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1796-1828_item1/P65.html
  

This is what I have date of marriage: 11 Aug 1804 in Topo
 Antonio Luiz son of Manuel Luiz Pereira and Isabel ___  Topo
Angela Marianna daughter of Manuel Silveira ___ and Anna Maria Do Rozario   
Ribeira Seca
I can see that it looks like dates in the margin, but do not know what they are 
for
Thanks you for your help
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel Marriages

[Margaret Vicente]

Rosemarie,

They’re advising the plan to index and bring together all already digitized 
indexes like Madeira island is now possible due to the historic interest 
expressed in roots tech.  Yes it looks like they will do it all for the island 
of Sao Miguel up to 1920.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2019, at 6:45 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I just received this email with info about, I think, the Azores Govt. trying 
> to raise $$ to index all of the marriages of Sao Miguel. Would a native 
> speaker/reader please look at the site and tell us what is going on?? If they 
> are going to do the job, there is no reason to try and get everyone else to 
> do bits and pieces but I don't know what the plan really is? 
> https://op.azores.gov.pt/antepropostas/todas/op-acores-2019/33-indexacao-dos-registos-de-casamento-da-ilha-de-sao-miguel?fbclid=IwAR2o0vCv2WDvEfailbj4899CqYCuWldg-0NKi7qjAZbUd56LmvBaam9KqGg
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Rosemarie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question re:Portuguese surname traditions, going back to my children's great-grandfather.

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Josephine,

Naming practices and conventions varied in Portugal due to Historic and
Religous influences in Portugal.  Perhaps some one will address your
question, but you may also find the explanation in the attached link, which
in my opinion, is not quite right but it does drive the idea home "A Guide
to Naming Practices".

https://www.fbiic.gov/public/2008/nov/Naming_practice_guide_UK_2006.pdf

 m

On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 1:45 PM JOSEPHINE MIGUEL 
wrote:

> Hello Cheri,
> I thank you for your replies to my son, Don Miguel, with his question
> regarding paternal great-grandparents.  It shed valuable light and before
> now, unknown, information.  Going forward from Passport Registrations and
> Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii, Jacintho Miguel de Medeiros and wife
> Antonia Hermina do Rego immigrated to Hawaii in1882.  Through Ancestry.com
> I found a City Directory (1822-1989) listing Jacintho Miguel at gen store
> Laniwai nr Cooke (I believe his employment).  All six of their children
> born in Hawaii, surname Miguel.
> Jachinto (another misspelling) Miguel on California Passenger List
> arriving San Francisco 24 May 1910; son Manuel Miguel on same Passenger
> List.  Antoia Miguel De Medeiros on California Passenger List arriving San
> Francisco one week later, 31 May 1910.
> Confused with surname Miguel because of "de Medeiros" and "do Rego".
> Also, saw Antonia Rega listed, which I then thought was her maiden name.
> Thanks, Josephine Miguel
>
> On Saturday, June 29, 2019, 10:36:47 PM PDT, Cheri Mello <
> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Hi Josephine,
> To do research, you need a name, a date, and a place. You have a date of
> 1882 and a place of Hawaii, yet no name. You need to state what you know
> about the immigrant ancestor, including all names that you have found. We
> are unable to help you otherwise.
> Thanks, Cheri
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 10:32 PM jomig...@sbcglobal.net <
> jomig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Their great-grandfather sailed from the Azores under a name different from
> the name used after immigrating to Hawaii in 1882.
> Any input or comments to help give a clearer understanding would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Raposo - Parish of Sao Jose - Sao Miguel

[Margaret Vicente]

A few years ago some one of this group was searching for a marriage of a 
relative/ancestor that was from Sao Jose in Ponta Delgada.  I don’t know if he 
ever found it.  I seem to think it may have been John Rapozo but I can’t find 
the old email request. 

I have finished indexing the marriages up to 1911 for this Parish.  It should 
be a quick find now.  Whomever it was, if you are still looking please email me 
your ancestor’s info so we can give it a try and see if it shows up.  

Best,
Margaret 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

[Margaret Vicente]

Liz et al,

FYI, genealogy software has evolved and are now GPS oriented.  They contain 
mapping and its own Cemetery mapping.  For this reason, locations should be 
keyed in correctly.

Family Heritage software, for example, deletes addresses it does not recognize. 
 I was using short form P. Delgada, S. Miguel, Azores when I began researching 
and find that any/all address such as this one, the software deleted it, 
leaving it blank when I uploaded the gedcom file.  Also obvious, it does not 
recognize Azores as a Country but as a “Region” of Portugal.

So now I’ve learned to include complete addresses: Civil Parish, Council, 
Region, Country.  In this case the correct process would be Sao Joao, Lajes, 
Pico “Island”, Azores, Portugal.

I also go a step further and define the region as Island for the Azores 
islands.  Again to identify it from other same name Regions of Portugal.  
Best,
margaret

From: Liz Migliori
Sent: June 25, 2019 11:39 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

Ok Thanks.  I did just have Sao Joao, Pico, Azores.  But some new stuff started 
popping up that had Lajes in there so I thought I was doing something wrong
I’m sticking with my way
Thanks Cheri

Liz

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On Jun 25, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
Hi Liz, A few people do the district. Most do not, as it becomes confusing 
really quickly. I would do Sao Joao (or São João if you prefer) which is the 
freguesia (village), Pico (the island), Azores. You can add in Portugal if you 
like. I figure anyone looking at my research 50 years from now would know they 
are looking at my Portuguese branches. Cheri
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 8:11 AM Liz Migliori  wrote:
If someone is born in Sao Joao, Pico

Should it be written in a tree as
Sao Joao, Lajes Do Pico,

Is Sao Joao a town in the district or a small village in the bigger town of 
Lajes?

Liz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record

[Margaret Vicente]

I see you got it.  It worked out.

Take care 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2019, at 6:04 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Ok. I might be confused. I sent a link for Francisco Marques dos Santos and 
> Francisca Ignacia marriage. The records is very hard to read and is damaged.
> You sent me a link for Antonio Marques dos Santos and Clara Maria marriage. 
> Are you saying that Antonio and Clara are the parents of Francisco? Because 
> at this point have nothing that connects Francisco to Antonio. I can not read 
> the marriage record of Francisco. What do you have that links these two? Also 
> I see Joao Martins Gil but it is at the top of the page. Shouldn’t there be 
> the date, witnesses etc. Wait I see what you did. It is on the previous page. 
> I feel so dumb. Too closely focus on one thing to see the whole thing. Thanks 
> you so much. Doreen
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Margaret Vicente
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:02 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record
>  
> Ok, I thought you were looking for the grooms parents.  In any case this page 
> gives you the name of the bride’s father…right at the top you will note Joao 
> Mzi [Miz] Gil, “Joao Martins Gil” this should be enough for you to find her 
> baptism record.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> m
> From: doreencaet...@gmail.com
> Sent: June 20, 2019 12:17 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record
>  
> My link is for Francisco Marques dos Santos. I already had Antonio in the 
> database. I do not know how or if they connect. I have the Terceira Marriage 
> Index downloaded to my computer and that is how I know the information I 
> already know and just a random search for related records gave me the death 
> records. I guess that is my only solution to keep randomly search through the 
> time period for more records. Thank you for your help. Doreen
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Margaret Vicente
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:57 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record
>  
> Doreen,
>  
> You will find it as Antonio dos Santos Marques, left side.
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P83.html
>  
> There’s an index available on line for the marriages for Terceira island but, 
> I can’t find the link, perhaps someone here can help with that.  It will make 
> it so much easier for you.
>  
> I think you may be able to get it through the Tombo site.
>  
> Mv
>  
> From: doreencaet...@gmail.com
> Sent: June 20, 2019 11:38 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record
>  
> This is what I know about this record:
> It is the marriage record for Francisco Marques dos Santos and Francisca 
> Ignacia.
> They were married in 1763 in Altares.
> It is the record at the top of the left side of the page.
>  
> What I would like to find is the parents’ names. Any ideas?
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P189.htm
>  
> Here is Francisca’s death record on the top of the left side of the page: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796_item1/P13.html
>  
> I know they had two children: Maria Joaquina (About 1749 – 2/22/1851) and 
> Miguel Marques dos Santos(- 2/2/1782). I have their death records
>  
> I know that Francisco Marques dos Santos was married to Apolonia da Trindade 
> on 1/2/1784 in Altares,
> Here’s that marriage record. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P93.html
>  
>  
> Thanks, Doreen Caetano
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record

[Margaret Vicente]

Doreen, you are looking at page two of Francisco’s marriage, if you go back one 
image from 189 to image number 188 you will see it.  Yes, according to this 
marriage link you sent Antonio dos Santos Marques is the father.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2019, at 6:04 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Ok. I might be confused. I sent a link for Francisco Marques dos Santos and 
> Francisca Ignacia marriage. The records is very hard to read and is damaged.
> You sent me a link for Antonio Marques dos Santos and Clara Maria marriage. 
> Are you saying that Antonio and Clara are the parents of Francisco? Because 
> at this point have nothing that connects Francisco to Antonio. I can not read 
> the marriage record of Francisco. What do you have that links these two? Also 
> I see Joao Martins Gil but it is at the top of the page. Shouldn’t there be 
> the date, witnesses etc. Wait I see what you did. It is on the previous page. 
> I feel so dumb. Too closely focus on one thing to see the whole thing. Thanks 
> you so much. Doreen
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Margaret Vicente
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:02 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record
>  
> Ok, I thought you were looking for the grooms parents.  In any case this page 
> gives you the name of the bride’s father…right at the top you will note Joao 
> Mzi [Miz] Gil, “Joao Martins Gil” this should be enough for you to find her 
> baptism record.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> m
> From: doreencaet...@gmail.com
> Sent: June 20, 2019 12:17 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record
>  
> My link is for Francisco Marques dos Santos. I already had Antonio in the 
> database. I do not know how or if they connect. I have the Terceira Marriage 
> Index downloaded to my computer and that is how I know the information I 
> already know and just a random search for related records gave me the death 
> records. I guess that is my only solution to keep randomly search through the 
> time period for more records. Thank you for your help. Doreen
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Margaret Vicente
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:57 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record
>  
> Doreen,
>  
> You will find it as Antonio dos Santos Marques, left side.
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P83.html
>  
> There’s an index available on line for the marriages for Terceira island but, 
> I can’t find the link, perhaps someone here can help with that.  It will make 
> it so much easier for you.
>  
> I think you may be able to get it through the Tombo site.
>  
> Mv
>  
> From: doreencaet...@gmail.com
> Sent: June 20, 2019 11:38 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record
>  
> This is what I know about this record:
> It is the marriage record for Francisco Marques dos Santos and Francisca 
> Ignacia.
> They were married in 1763 in Altares.
> It is the record at the top of the left side of the page.
>  
> What I would like to find is the parents’ names. Any ideas?
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P189.htm
>  
> Here is Francisca’s death record on the top of the left side of the page: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796_item1/P13.html
>  
> I know they had two children: Maria Joaquina (About 1749 – 2/22/1851) and 
> Miguel Marques dos Santos(- 2/2/1782). I have their death records
>  
> I know that Francisco Marques dos Santos was married to Apolonia da Trindade 
> on 1/2/1784 in Altares,
> Here’s that marriage record. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P93.html
>  
>  
> Thanks, Doreen Caetano
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record

[Margaret Vicente]

Ok, I thought you were looking for the grooms parents.  In any case this page 
gives you the name of the bride’s father…right at the top you will note Joao 
Mzi [Miz] Gil, “Joao Martins Gil” this should be enough for you to find her 
baptism record.

Cheers,

m
From: doreencaet...@gmail.com
Sent: June 20, 2019 12:17 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record

My link is for Francisco Marques dos Santos. I already had Antonio in the 
database. I do not know how or if they connect. I have the Terceira Marriage 
Index downloaded to my computer and that is how I know the information I 
already know and just a random search for related records gave me the death 
records. I guess that is my only solution to keep randomly search through the 
time period for more records. Thank you for your help. Doreen

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Margaret Vicente
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:57 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record

Doreen,

You will find it as Antonio dos Santos Marques, left side.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P83.html

There’s an index available on line for the marriages for Terceira island but, I 
can’t find the link, perhaps someone here can help with that.  It will make it 
so much easier for you.

I think you may be able to get it through the Tombo site.

Mv

From: doreencaet...@gmail.com
Sent: June 20, 2019 11:38 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record

This is what I know about this record: 
It is the marriage record for Francisco Marques dos Santos and Francisca 
Ignacia.
They were married in 1763 in Altares.
It is the record at the top of the left side of the page.

What I would like to find is the parents’ names. Any ideas?
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P189.htm

Here is Francisca’s death record on the top of the left side of the page: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796_item1/P13.html

I know they had two children: Maria Joaquina (About 1749 – 2/22/1851) and 
Miguel Marques dos Santos(- 2/2/1782). I have their death records

I know that Francisco Marques dos Santos was married to Apolonia da Trindade on 
1/2/1784 in Altares, 
Here’s that marriage record. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P93.html


Thanks, Doreen Caetano

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record

[Margaret Vicente]

Doreen,

You will find it as Antonio dos Santos Marques, left side.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P83.html

There’s an index available on line for the marriages for Terceira island but, I 
can’t find the link, perhaps someone here can help with that.  It will make it 
so much easier for you.

I think you may be able to get it through the Tombo site.

Mv

From: doreencaet...@gmail.com
Sent: June 20, 2019 11:38 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record

This is what I know about this record: 
It is the marriage record for Francisco Marques dos Santos and Francisca 
Ignacia.
They were married in 1763 in Altares.
It is the record at the top of the left side of the page.

What I would like to find is the parents’ names. Any ideas?
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P189.htm

Here is Francisca’s death record on the top of the left side of the page: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796_item1/P13.html

I know they had two children: Maria Joaquina (About 1749 – 2/22/1851) and 
Miguel Marques dos Santos(- 2/2/1782). I have their death records

I know that Francisco Marques dos Santos was married to Apolonia da Trindade on 
1/2/1784 in Altares, 
Here’s that marriage record. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P93.html


Thanks, Doreen Caetano

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventario? Marianna de Jesus - São Miguel

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi, 
I recently ordered a similar file for the inventory for one of my gggp.  I 
emailed a copy from the archives very much like the one you found to show 
exactly what I was looking for.  They wrote back with my options.  I opted for 
digital copies at the cost of $57 Euros wired to them, receiving the file to a 
drop box, 87 pages within one week.

Copies can also be mailed to you at a lesser cost.
Margaret

> On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Leonor,
> 
> When I was there, they said this was their Card Catalog. I asked if it was 
> all 9 islands, and they said yes. However, it seems to be used mainly by the 
> archives in Ponta Delgada: http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/
> 
> I search for "inventario freguesia" and that usually pulls it up. Sometimes 
> there are other records mixed in. If your freguesia has more of a unique 
> word, you don't have to type the whole name. I can type "inventario quente" 
> and get the inventories from Ribeira Quente. You don't need the diacritcs 
> either to search.
> Happy hunting,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 11:24 AM Leonor Bertoni  
>> wrote:
>> Interesting. If I was to go there, I would find this inventory by looking up 
>> the location on this record?
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, 18 June 2019 12:53:26 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>> Hi Leonor,
>>> 
>>> I did a lot of inventory work last summer there.
>>> 
>>> As Philippe said, it's an inventory of their stuff. They do list children, 
>>> grands, greats. And it was kind of interesting to see what they had for 
>>> time period too.
>>> 
>>> Every time I requested an inventory, they told me that they are private and 
>>> not to be posted on the Internet (they saw me taking pictures with my cell 
>>> phone). I said OK. I understand that some of the inventories (say the one 
>>> from 1920s) could name a kid who is alive today (they'd be pushing 100), 
>>> but the ones from the 1800s would not have anyone alive. So all I could do 
>>> is honor their request because I want continued access to that record set 
>>> and so do many genealogists.
>>> 
>>> Portugal is part of the European Union and they have the newer General Data 
>>> Privacy Regulation (GDPR). Many countries are becoming concerned about the 
>>> privacy of their citizens so they are creating rules and regulations for 
>>> privacy. It's probably why they asked me not to post anything on the 
>>> Internet. The GDPR is just a little over a year old, so I'm hoping as time 
>>> goes on, they will adjust for things like older historical records, where 
>>> no one alive today is mentioned in them.  Cheri
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:36 AM Philippe GARNIER  
 wrote:
 Hi Leonor,
 
 The inventory is made after the death to liste all the possession of the 
 dead personn : houses, lands, money, furnitures, clothes and so on.
 It is to the shering out the heirs. 
 
 Abs
 
 Philippe Garnier
 Paris - France 
 https://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira
   
 
> Le mar. 18 juin 2019 à 06:58, Leonor Bertoni  a 
> écrit :
> Can someone tell me what this means? I found a record for an ancestor for 
> an Inventario, I take it to mean inventory or probating a will but the 
> death records states that she did not leave a will. What could this be?
> 
> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1186907=Elias|da|costa|venancio
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Angela,

According to Cronicas dos Arrifes, he was a co-adjutor there in 1869 only with 
no other information. 

A google search pointed to:

Revista Atlântida vol. LIV 2009 - Instituto Açoriano de Cultura


https://www.iac-azores.org/biblioteca-virtual/ATL/ATL2009.pdf

nel d'Engenheiro, ou a carta de 1831 de António Ferreira Gar- .. 
Requerimento para Provisão de José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel, Cura da Igreja de 
Santa ...
https://www.google.com/search?q=cura+jose+jacinto+ferreira+pimentel=1C1CHBF_enCA813CA813=cAAHXdbNNrKJggebm4ngBw=10=N=0ahUKEwjWxeqzwe_iAhWyhOAKHZtNAnwQ8NMDCJYB=1920=969

the link is broken and the pdf no longer available, yielding error 404 but you 
may be able to buy the book in the following link:

https://www.iac-azores.org/livraria/atlantida.html

good luck
mv

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: June 9, 2019 8:29 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

Anyone here has in their tree a priest from the 1800s called José Jacinto 
Ferreira Pimentel? 
I believe he was from São Miguel. He spent a few years in Santa Maria, and i 
think that after that he was in Arrifes. 

Any clue would be very helpfull. 

Thanks!
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Genealogias da ilhas de S.Miguel e Santa MariaRobert Rodrigues Does anyone have this?

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Lisa, 

You are welcome.  No, this couple is not part of my tree.  You had the year, so 
it was a quick find but even quicker for me because I’ve indexed this parish 
marriage records.  
Best,
mv

From: Lisa S
Sent: June 9, 2019 12:04 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Genealogias da ilhas de S.Miguel e Santa 
MariaRobert Rodrigues Does anyone have this?

OH MY GOSH     This is EXACTLY what I was looking for for one of the 
couples!  How did you know this?  Are they in your tree too?

Thank you so much !!



On Saturday, June 8, 2019 at 10:48:17 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
I believe this is what you're looking for, right side.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1788-1796/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1788-1796_item1/P119.html


On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 1:18:02 PM UTC-4, Lisa S wrote:
Hello everyone,

I am having a difficult time in my tree trying to find the marriage record on 2 
couples.  I have been trying to get the book Genealogias da ilhas de S.Miguel e 
Santa Maria from the library, but it is not available right now.  Is there 
someone who has this book please who is willing to check if the following 2 
couples are in it?  I would be so appreciative.  Info below.

Kind Regards, 
Lisa


Here is the information:

José Carvalho de Mello and Anna de Jesus / Anna Maria  (I believe that José 
Carvalho de Mello is a natural of the island of Santa Maria, and I think that 
Anna de Jesus / Anna Maria is a natural of Santo António além Capelas).  Time 
frame about 1795.

and 

António de Medeiros Moura and Joanna Maria (I believe that António de Medeiros 
Moura is a natural of Santo António além Capelas and Joanna Maria is a natural 
of Lagoa.  Time frame about 1760-1789.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco dePimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

[Margaret Vicente]

Terri, 

It’s good to do your own  search to verify but you will be searching in vain, 
if indeed this is the couple you are working on.  They only had 3 children 
(Umbelina, Joao and Maria] plus one unborn child at the time of the father’s 
death.  Umbelina was already married by the time the parents were wed.

Here’s the marriage record on the death bed of Joao Travassos and Josefa 
Mariana, right sight.  Look at the bottom where you will see the named children 
the couple had between them.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856_item1/P115.html

I have ancestors married at 12 and 13 years of age.  



From: Terri Santos
Sent: May 25, 2019 8:11 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco 
dePimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

Thanks everyone for your points Now time to search

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:02 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
Terri, also search for Maria's parents death records, to see if the number of 
children is mentioned.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 26/05/2019 à(s) 
00:48:
The index was made by a human and humans can make mistakes. Look at all the 
kids and look for gaps between kids. Then search those gaps by hand.

I'm suspicious that there was only ONE Maria!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:45 PM Terri Santos  wrote:
This is the only Maria born to Joao and Marianna that I found in the index.  
If she was baptized in Ponta Delgada, so then I'll look thereperhaps this 
couple lived there too?

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:37 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
Terri,

Did you find every single kid for Joao Travassos and Josepha Marianna? You know 
every family needs AT LEAST 3 Marias! LOL


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:10 PM Terri Santos  wrote:
Here's the marriage record I found in SM-VFC for Francisco and Maria.  Here it 
mentions Sao Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada for her again.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1836-1856_item1/P242.html
  

this is the death record for Maria
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1895-1899_item1/P64.html
  

Seems to be the same person, but when I do the mathshe is 11 years old at 
marriage..


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:56 PM Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Terri,
 
The record states the different dates and places of baptism for the Joao and 
Maria, who were both Expostos; Joao on Mar 9th 1834 baptized same day in 
Candelaria.  Maria baptized in Sao Sebastiao de Ponta Delgada … days of of the 
month of January of 1844.  
 
The document is a legitimization record for these two exposto children on their 
father’s deatch bed as declared in the hour of his death recognizing them and 
marrying/receiving their Mother ……… marriage … book 8 of this Parish pages 113….
 
It also goes to say the mother also recognized them as her own children…
 
Record signed and dated June 11 1845
 
m
 
From: Terri Santos
Sent: May 25, 2019 1:06 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de 
Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
 I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.  She 
married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.  
Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53 years old.  
That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11 years old at 
marriage.  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

[Margaret Vicente]

Terri,

The record states the different dates and places of baptism for the Joao and 
Maria, who were both Expostos; Joao on Mar 9th 1834 baptized same day in 
Candelaria.  Maria baptized in Sao Sebastiao de Ponta Delgada … days of of the 
month of January of 1844.  

The document is a legitimization record for these two exposto children on their 
father’s deatch bed as declared in the hour of his death recognizing them and 
marrying/receiving their Mother ……… marriage … book 8 of this Parish pages 113….

It also goes to say the mother also recognized them as her own children…

Record signed and dated June 11 1845

m

From: Terri Santos
Sent: May 25, 2019 1:06 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria de Jesus(wife of Francisco de 
Pimentel)S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada OR from SM-Vila Franca?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1844-1846_item1/P70.html

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 1:01:46 PM UTC-4, Terri Santos wrote:
 I`m trying to get some clarity for one Maria de Jesus in my files.  She 
married and died in Sao Miguel Vila Franca do Campo.  
Her death record on 10 July 1896 states she died at the age of 53 years old.  
That makes her birth year c.1843, but that would make her 11 years old at 
marriage.  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ernesto do Canto Index

[Margaret Vicente]

Canto’s indexes are another great tool for research.  There’s books at the 
Arquives in Sao Miguel.  A few genealogists, professionals or perhaps others 
may have acquired a copy but it’s out of print.  It is not related to the link 
you provided.  Canto was also the Editor for the Gov. Archivo dos Acores at the 
time.  The Archivo do contain some chapters of genealogical interest, from time 
to time, but it’s mostly about matters of Gov, observations, happenings, etc. 
related to Sao Miguel, or it may include some other islands.  These books are 
downloadable.


From: Lisa S
Sent: May 23, 2019 2:05 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ernesto do Canto Index

It looks like these are some books from Ernesto do Canto in the link below.  
Are any of these the indexes that everyone is talking about please?

https://archive.org/details/archivodosaores01cantgoog/page/n15



On Friday, January 31, 2014 at 5:16:49 PM UTC-6, John Raposo wrote:

"Ernesto do Canto, Dr., nasceu a 12.12.1831 na casa dos Prestes, em S. Roque e 
aí faleceu a 21.8.1900. Foi bacharel formado em Filosofia pela Universidade de 
Coimbra a 25.7.1856, sócio correspondente da Academia Real das Ciências, de 
Lisboa e de outras sociedades científicas, tanto nacionais como estrangeiras. 
Notabilizou-se como erudito historiador e genealogista, tendo sido autor do 
Arquivo dos Açores e de outras publicações de reconhecido mérito. Foi 
Presidente da Junta Geral do Distrito de Ponta Delgada e uma das figuras de 
maior prestígio da sociedade micaelense no decorrer do século XIX. Casou na 
ermida de Nossa Senhora do Amparo, anexa à casa-solar desta família em S. Pedro 
Ponta Delgada a 5.5.1859, com sua sobrinha Margarida Leite do Canto." (from 
Rodrigo Rodrigues). 

Among many other things, Ernesto do Canto took an inventory of the existing 
vital records in the Azores and developed an index (the manuscripts are at the 
Archives in Ponta Delgada) which are an invaluable resource for beginners and 
even for those who hit "stone walls". For example, his index for the marriages 
in Santo António além Capelas lists marriages for which the records no longer 
exist! 

I hope this helps. 

John Miranda Raposo 
 

On Fri, 1/31/14, Hermano C. Pires  wrote: 

 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ernesto do Canto Index 
 To: "azo...@googlegroups.com"  
 Date: Friday, January 31, 2014, 7:59 PM 
  
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 I'll ask again what is and where is this CANTO"S 
 INDEX . 
 I have seen it mentioned a number 
 of times before but have no idea of what it might be. 
 Please enlighten me :)) 
 Hermano 
   
 Date: 
 Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:51:21 -0800 
 From: 
 marciobo...@yahoo.com 
 Subject: 
 [AZORES-Genealogy] Ernesto do Canto Index 
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
  
 If anyone on the list is willing to share 
 some of Cantos Index I would really apreciate it. Mainly 
 Feteiras, Relva, Bretanha (if they 
 exist) Marcio Borba 
  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Noble Lines

[Margaret Vicente]

There are many sources, one of whom is, Felgueiras Gayo Nobilario.  Books
available on line, however they are written in Portuguese.

http://purl.pt/12151/4/

Here's where you will find a list for all the names

http://genealogiafb.blogspot.com/2018/11/indice-do-nobiliario-de-felgueiras-gayo.html



On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 1:34 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Gustavo Martins, martinsgusat gmail.com
> Would you please provide or suggest any reliable sources for such noble
> lines. I’m interested in it too.
>
> Thanks
> Gustavo
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for island and freguesia

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri, didn’t see that email.  Thank you. 

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: May 7, 2019 10:33 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for island and freguesia

That's for Herb. I'm not researching the guy. The dates are way off from the 
original immigration of 1865-1873, and if Manuel dies in 1950-1955 at the age 
of 90, then he was born 1860-1865. Still doesn't fit what I found. So Herb and 
his friend have more work to do. It's the closest I can find, but it's like 
putting a square peg into a round hole.

On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:26 PM Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Cheri,
 
Here are the details
 
José Rebelo
Description level
 Item
Reference code
PT/BPARPD/ACD/GCPDL/P/001/0017/04893
Date range
1882-03-30 
Scope and content
Filiação: Francisco Rebelo e Inácia de Jesus.
Idade: 42 anos.
Estado: Casado.
Profissão: Trabalhador.
Naturalidade: Povoação. Furnas.
Acompanhantes: Sua mulher, Maria Jacinta, de 42 anos, e filhos, Manuel, de 9 
anos, José, de 3 anos, e Francisco, de 6 meses.
Embarcação: Vapor inglês Monarch.
Destino: Sandwich.
Description physical location
Lv. 1385
Nº 0304/1882
 
Margaret
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: May 7, 2019 10:21 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for island and freguesia
 
The immigration year is wy off as well.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:17 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>From Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii compiled by Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr, page 
>375:
 
Vardasca, José Rebello, age 40, Monarch '93, Sao Miguel
Maria de Jesus, 38 wife
Children: Manoel 9, José 3; Francisco 1/2
 
NOTE: The "a" is typed on the end of Vardasca. That's not my typo. And it's 
typed as Rebello, so again, not my typo. And it says Monarch 1893, so not my 
typo again.
 
NOTE 2: The Monarch sailed from Sao Miguel on 29 March 1882 (NOT 1892) arriving 
in June. Those dates are from the Bob De Mello book and have been crossed out 
and written over, as there's errors there too.
 
There's nothing on this Vardasco/a family in the Bob De Mello book.
 
The Vardasca/o family from the Knowlton book doesn't entirely fit with the ages 
in the previous message. You need to decide if it's the right family or not.
 
Mel's description of the voyage that she posted on Your Island Routes: 
http://www.yourislandroutes.com/ships/monarch.shtml
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 3:58 PM 'herb' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Thanks Debbie
 
yes I am familiar with this family using the name Vardasco. According to the 
1930 California census Manuel Roballo and his wife Andrietta not Henriquetta 
were living in San Leandro with their children including Joseph. Manuel’s 
father Francisco or maybe it was Jose Francisco had come over to Hawaii from 
one of the Azores Islands but no one can determibe which one. Maybe he used 
Vardasco  instead of Roballo when he came over?
 
Herb 
 
Sent from my iPhone

On May 7, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
Report (and edit) for Debbie Mendonca, jessdebmendonca at gmail dot com
 
Edit: There's a tree on Ancestry.com.
 
Post:
Manuel Vardasco Robello (1864-1955)
 
That is from a family tree.  They named their son Joseph after his brother    
Manuel’s dad was Jose.  Wife was Henrieta Florida de Silva.  I’m not finding 
Manuel’s grave on Find a Grave.  
 
His son used Joseph Robello Vardasco on his grave. He was born in Pahala, 
Hawaii around 1901 or 1903.   Buried in Hayward, Ca. 
 
Cheri, you might look for the last name Vardasco for the father.  
 
Debbie
 
 
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 7:57 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
I checked both the Bob De Mello and the Edgar Knowlton book. There is no 
Francisco or Francisco Jose Robello or Rebello immigrating to HI with a son, 
Manuel. :(

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 7:40 PM 'Herb' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
I am trying to help someone locate the island and freguesia  their gg 
grandfather was from in the Azores.  His name was Manuel Robello, that is the 
spelling  for past 100+ years, not Rebelo.  His wife's surname was Henrietta da 
Silva, may have been Enriquetta.  Manuel  immigrated to Pahala Hawaii. with his 
father Francisco or Francisco Jose Robello.  They arrived in Hawaii  possibly  
1865-1873. Manuel moved to San Leandro which believe is is Alameda County and 
died there around 1950-1955, age about 90, and is buried possibly in Hayward 
CA. He had a brother named Joseph. I know there are alot  of great researchers 
in this part of California  and hoping someone may recognize this family.  The 
1900 census in Hawaii shows a Henrietta aged 16 married to a Emanuel Robelo age 
27.  Thanks, Herb

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for island and freguesia

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri,

Here are the details

José Rebelo
Description level
 Item
Reference code
PT/BPARPD/ACD/GCPDL/P/001/0017/04893
Date range
1882-03-30 
Scope and content
Filiação: Francisco Rebelo e Inácia de Jesus.
Idade: 42 anos.
Estado: Casado.
Profissão: Trabalhador.
Naturalidade: Povoação. Furnas.
Acompanhantes: Sua mulher, Maria Jacinta, de 42 anos, e filhos, Manuel, de 9 
anos, José, de 3 anos, e Francisco, de 6 meses.
Embarcação: Vapor inglês Monarch.
Destino: Sandwich.
Description physical location
Lv. 1385
Nº 0304/1882

Margaret

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: May 7, 2019 10:21 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for island and freguesia

The immigration year is wy off as well.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:17 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>From Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii compiled by Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr, page 
>375:

Vardasca, José Rebello, age 40, Monarch '93, Sao Miguel
Maria de Jesus, 38 wife
Children: Manoel 9, José 3; Francisco 1/2

NOTE: The "a" is typed on the end of Vardasca. That's not my typo. And it's 
typed as Rebello, so again, not my typo. And it says Monarch 1893, so not my 
typo again.

NOTE 2: The Monarch sailed from Sao Miguel on 29 March 1882 (NOT 1892) arriving 
in June. Those dates are from the Bob De Mello book and have been crossed out 
and written over, as there's errors there too.

There's nothing on this Vardasco/a family in the Bob De Mello book.

The Vardasca/o family from the Knowlton book doesn't entirely fit with the ages 
in the previous message. You need to decide if it's the right family or not.

Mel's description of the voyage that she posted on Your Island Routes: 
http://www.yourislandroutes.com/ships/monarch.shtml
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 3:58 PM 'herb' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Thanks Debbie

yes I am familiar with this family using the name Vardasco. According to the 
1930 California census Manuel Roballo and his wife Andrietta not Henriquetta 
were living in San Leandro with their children including Joseph. Manuel’s 
father Francisco or maybe it was Jose Francisco had come over to Hawaii from 
one of the Azores Islands but no one can determibe which one. Maybe he used 
Vardasco  instead of Roballo when he came over?

Herb 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 7, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
Report (and edit) for Debbie Mendonca, jessdebmendonca at gmail dot com

Edit: There's a tree on Ancestry.com.

Post:
Manuel Vardasco Robello (1864-1955)

That is from a family tree.  They named their son Joseph after his brother    
Manuel’s dad was Jose.  Wife was Henrieta Florida de Silva.  I’m not finding 
Manuel’s grave on Find a Grave.  

His son used Joseph Robello Vardasco on his grave. He was born in Pahala, 
Hawaii around 1901 or 1903.   Buried in Hayward, Ca. 

Cheri, you might look for the last name Vardasco for the father.  

Debbie


On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 7:57 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
I checked both the Bob De Mello and the Edgar Knowlton book. There is no 
Francisco or Francisco Jose Robello or Rebello immigrating to HI with a son, 
Manuel. :(

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 7:40 PM 'Herb' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
I am trying to help someone locate the island and freguesia  their gg 
grandfather was from in the Azores.  His name was Manuel Robello, that is the 
spelling  for past 100+ years, not Rebelo.  His wife's surname was Henrietta da 
Silva, may have been Enriquetta.  Manuel  immigrated to Pahala Hawaii. with his 
father Francisco or Francisco Jose Robello.  They arrived in Hawaii  possibly  
1865-1873. Manuel moved to San Leandro which believe is is Alameda County and 
died there around 1950-1955, age about 90, and is buried possibly in Hayward 
CA. He had a brother named Joseph. I know there are alot  of great researchers 
in this part of California  and hoping someone may recognize this family.  The 
1900 census in Hawaii shows a Henrietta aged 16 married to a Emanuel Robelo age 
27.  Thanks, Herb
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hi, I am having a difficult time tryingtoread this record ...

[Margaret Vicente]

That’s correct, Bill and thank you.  My typo, “1766”


From: bsei2...@gmail.com
Sent: May 5, 2019 10:51 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hi, I am having a difficult time 
tryingtoread this record ...

I see the year as 1766

Bill Seidler

On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 6:50:59 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
Hi Lisa,
 
The marriage date for Joao Carvalho and Maria Rosa is April 14 1763. 
 
I have these families both lines are my ancestors.  PM me if you’re looking for 
more information.
 
Margaret
 
 
From: JR
Sent: May 5, 2019 8:51 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hi, I am having a difficult time trying toread 
this record ...
 
It all looks good to me. The name is Simao Machado. The variations on Filipa 
(the modern version) are not that important. They are same name, Phelipa, 
Felipa, with or without two p's or two l's. Loiro in other records may turn out 
to be Louro. The bride, Felipa was disobligated in Sao Pedro, so likely was 
also baptised there.
 
JR
 


On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 6:16:17 PM UTC-4, Lisa S wrote:
The first one is this:
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1747-1778/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1747-1778_item1/P129.html
Marriage - 12 April 1863
João Carvalho de Sousa
son of Jozeph Carvalho and Maria Martins
Maria Rosa
daughter of Francisco de Sousa and Philippa??? Pereira
 
All baptized in this same frequesia São Pedro, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel
 
Gonçalo Correia and Manoel da Costa = witnesses ???
 
===
 
Next I checked the indexes to try to help me guess the name of the parents of 
Maria Rosa.  Here is the link to that page.  I think that it's Francisco de 
Sousa Loiro and Philipa Pereira.  Does this appear right?
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-I-1617-1860/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-I-1617-1860_item1/P26.html
 
 
 
=
 
Then there's the 3rd record which is also so hard to read:
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1718-1747/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1718-1747_item1/P65.html
 
Groom: Francisco de Sousa Loiro Son of Manoel Rodrigues Loiro and his wife 
Maria dos Santos Naturals of Estrella (Nossa Senhora da Estrela) in the village 
of Ribeira Grande Bride: Fellippa Pereira Daughter of Simao or Manoel (sp? hard 
to read) Machado and Maria Pereira DIGO Isabel Pereira (I think that DIGO means 
that the priest made a mistake by writing Maria Pereira, and is correcting 
himself by then writing the proper name which is Isabel Pereira.) Naturals of 
this same freguesia Apóstolo de São Pedro, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores, 
Portugal Of note is that the groom signs his name Francisco de Sousa, without 
Loiro at the end. Margin Note: 10 March 1812
 

 
Does anyone else get anything different please?
 
Thank you for any help.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hi, I am having a difficult time trying toread this record ...

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Lisa,

The marriage date for Joao Carvalho and Maria Rosa is April 14 1763. 

I have these families both lines are my ancestors.  PM me if you’re looking for 
more information.

Margaret


From: JR
Sent: May 5, 2019 8:51 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hi, I am having a difficult time trying toread 
this record ...

It all looks good to me. The name is Simao Machado. The variations on Filipa 
(the modern version) are not that important. They are same name, Phelipa, 
Felipa, with or without two p's or two l's. Loiro in other records may turn out 
to be Louro. The bride, Felipa was disobligated in Sao Pedro, so likely was 
also baptised there.

JR



On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 6:16:17 PM UTC-4, Lisa S wrote:
The first one is this:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1747-1778/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1747-1778_item1/P129.html
Marriage - 12 April 1863
João Carvalho de Sousa
son of Jozeph Carvalho and Maria Martins
Maria Rosa
daughter of Francisco de Sousa and Philippa??? Pereira

All baptized in this same frequesia São Pedro, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel

Gonçalo Correia and Manoel da Costa = witnesses ???

===

Next I checked the indexes to try to help me guess the name of the parents of 
Maria Rosa.  Here is the link to that page.  I think that it's Francisco de 
Sousa Loiro and Philipa Pereira.  Does this appear right?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-I-1617-1860/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-I-1617-1860_item1/P26.html
 


=

Then there's the 3rd record which is also so hard to read:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1718-1747/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1718-1747_item1/P65.html

Groom: Francisco de Sousa Loiro Son of Manoel Rodrigues Loiro and his wife 
Maria dos Santos Naturals of Estrella (Nossa Senhora da Estrela) in the village 
of Ribeira Grande Bride: Fellippa Pereira Daughter of Simao or Manoel (sp? hard 
to read) Machado and Maria Pereira DIGO Isabel Pereira (I think that DIGO means 
that the priest made a mistake by writing Maria Pereira, and is correcting 
himself by then writing the proper name which is Isabel Pereira.) Naturals of 
this same freguesia Apóstolo de São Pedro, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores, 
Portugal Of note is that the groom signs his name Francisco de Sousa, without 
Loiro at the end. Margin Note: 10 March 1812



Does anyone else get anything different please?

Thank you for any help.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] More Hawaii help needed

[Margaret Vicente]

Lenor,

Is this your Manuel de Medeiros Manteiga?  Passenger # 2894, passport # 988
A883 Aug 4

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883_item1/P166.html



On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 8:22 PM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> Thanks Cheri. My freguesia is Rosario, de Medeiros were EVERYWHERE. I
> thought that since my Medeiros Manteiga were on the ship, maybe these
> Medeiros were also related. I have 2 Manuel Medeiros in my tree that fit
> the husband's age but did not have a wife for either and could not find a
> marriage record for the time that would fit the first child's birth. I
> figured I would try to match with the parents but they do not match and now
> I know why, lol.
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 20:17, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii, compiled by Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr, page
>> 286:
>> Manuel de Medeiros, 34, on the Bell Rock 1883 with Maria Julia, 30, wife.
>> Children: Maria 5, Rosa 3.
>>
>> Passport Registrations: Portuguese Immigrants from Azores to Sandwich
>> Isles 1879-1883, page 244
>> Manuel de Medeiros, 34, son of Antonio de Medeiros and Jacinta de Jesus
>> (from Ribeira Quente)
>> Wife Maria Julia, 30, daughter of Joao Furtado Pereira and Maria Julia
>> Children: Maria 5, Rosa 3, Conceicao 8 months.
>> All born in Ribeira Quente.
>> On the Bell Rock
>>
>> I have lots of Ribeira Quente resources if this is your freguesia.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 5:06 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri,
>>> I have looked everywhere for the books you mentioned but cannot find
>>> them. The closest library that has a copy is in Salt Lake City (a little
>>> far from Toronto, Canada). On the same passenger list, there is a Manoel de
>>> Medeiros (34), Maria Julia (30) and the their two children Maria (5) and
>>> Roza (3). Would you be able to tell me who Manoel's parents are?
>>>
>>> Leonor
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passenger List or documents related to a sailingfrom Faial July 1834

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Michael,

Found in date range: 1836-08-05 to 1839-05-07 - a Manuel Jacinto, 15 years old, 
passport # 131. It’s a quick find in the link below.

http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1567049=horta|passaportes

to know more go here, left side gives specifics i.e. particulars about him:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1836-1839/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1836-1839_item1/P70.html

The record does not contain name of parents but bottom right corner has the 
signature and name of the person who was taking Manuel Jacinto; Antonio Ramos 
da Silveira Coutinho, who late became Horta’s County Prosecutor.

This should help you narrow down his birth date, so you can go try find his 
birth record in Pico.  

Best,
Margaret
From: Mickey Blue
Sent: May 1, 2019 12:31 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passenger List or documents related to a 
sailingfrom Faial July 1834

Hi, I'm hoping someone can give me some guidance. Unfortunately I only speak 
English, so researching online public domain in the Azores is not possible. I 
believe that my great great grandfather, Manuel Jacinto (born on Pico and son 
of Manuel Jacinto Avila) arrived in Trinidad on 15 July 1834 on a British 
Schooner, "The Watchful" from Faial. The ship contained indentured workers for 
Trinidad's plantation owners. The results were disastrous for all workers and 
in 1835 the remaining Portuguese (some later arrived from Madeira) to be 
supported by the government and returned to their homelands. My great great 
grandfather was 10 years of age. I was hoping to confirm he was one of the 
passengers and find out if he was alone or travelling with family.

Public records in Trinidad were destroyed in 1903 in a fire in Government 
house. Newspapers in Trinidad only record the number, 44,  passengers, 7 women, 
29 men and boys and some children. 

Can anyone help?

Regards
Michael Emmett 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Please help me make sense of this couple - Sebastião de Medeiros and Joanna, São Miguel

[Margaret Vicente]

Good news, check the back of the book, you will find all of the 135 pages.

Here’s 34v
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1829-1836/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1829-1836_item1/P345.html


From: JR
Sent: March 28, 2019 9:37 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Please help me make sense of this couple - 
Sebastião de Medeiros and Joanna, São Miguel

Some interesting findings, Leonor. Go to this link, which is the index for 
baptisms in Rosario, 1829-1836: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-I-1797-1859/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-I-1797-1859_item1/P35.html

You will see Joanna, page 34 verso, filha de Antonio de Medeiros and Anna 
Jacinta, book 1829-1836. This is a different couple than your finding of 
Joanna. It is your missing Joanna. Now when you try to find page 34 verso, it 
is missing!! They left out pages from about 1829-April 1833 (pages 1-135). 
Three years of baptisms are missing! 

JR

On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 2:39:23 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com wrote:
With the help of JR, I have been able to find a bunch of information on my 
greats (Thank you). But this one leaves me a little bit confused. (A little bit 
is an understatement)

Sebastiao is my 2nd great grandfather and Joanna is, obviously, my 2nd great 
grandmother but in a plot twist, she's also my 2nd great aunt.

Sebastiao's records are pretty consistent (until his son Victorino) but Joanna 
leaves my head spinning. I am hoping that someone with more experience can help 
me make sense of this.

Their marriage record shows Sebastiao de Medeiros s/o Henrique Jose & Maria 
Magdalena and Joanna Emilia d/o Antonio de Medeiros & Anna Jacinta
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853_item1/P330.html

Sebastiao's baptismal record shows s/o Henrique Jose & Maria Magdalena
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html

I believe this to be Joanna's baptismal record (I am still looking) which shows 
d/o Antonio Medeiros & Helena Thomazia 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P322.html

What I have:
Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Candida
Manoel - Jul. 8 1850 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; Mat - 
Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus     
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851_item1/P301.html
Manoel - Jun. 24 1853 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria de Jesus; Mat - 
Antonio de Medeiros & Jacinta Thomazia   
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854_item1/P242.html

Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Emilia
Maria - Abt. 1859 (from obit) 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911_item1/P5.html
Maria - Jul. 26 1863 Pat - Henrique Jose de Medeiros & Maria Thomazia; Mats - 
Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus   
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866_item1/P299.html
Francisco -  Sept. 25 1867 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; Mat 
- Antonio da Costa Zangao & Anna Jacintha   
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869_item1/P32.html
Victorino - Apr. 10 1872 - Pat - Joaquim de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; Mat - 
Joao de Medeiros Manteiga & Anna de Jesus    
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P159.html

If we say that both of these couples are the same couple, then Antonio da 
Costa, Antonio de Medeiros and Joao de Medeiros are the same person as well 
(Manteiga and Zangao are apelidos). Maria de Jesus, Anna Jacintha, Jacinta 
Thomazia and Anna de Jesus are also the same person. Henrique Jose de Medeiros 
and Joaquim de Medeiros are the same person and Maria Thomazia, Maria Magdalena 
and Maria de Jesus are also the same person. It doesn't make a whole lot of 
sense but it doesn't make any sense any other way either. Am I seeing this 
right? If so, how do I record this?



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Apolinario Teixeira Brasil com Barbara da Conceição, Manadas São Jorge, 1732

[Margaret Vicente]

Groom is correct, Apollinar [Apolinario]
Mother: Maria de Siqueira 
All else correct.

Take care,
m


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Apolinario Teixeira Brasil com Barbara da 
Conceição, Manadas São Jorge, 1732

Please help with the name of the groom's mother.

What I see is:
29 Sep 1732, Parish of Santa Barbara, Manadas
Groom: Apolinar (Apolinario?) Teixeira Brasil, son of Antonio Teixeira Brasil 
and Maria de ??? (Can't make this out)
Bride: Barbara da Conceição daughter of Domingos Dias da Rosa and Maria da 
Piedade

Welcome any comments/corrections.

Thank you,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List of Seminary students

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri and Luis,

No worries, this file is a list of books and its authors,  not the
students' list.



On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 10:14 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> List Members,
>
> Do NOT share the file through the list. We do NOT have permission from the
> Seminary to share the file in that way. Permission was granted to the
> Azores GenWeb ONLY. Please download it from there.
>
> I needed to delete the message with the attached file. Every response with
> the file attached will be deleted. Sorry, but I have to do the right thing,
> and as the Listowner, I'm the one that they come down on.
> Thank you for understanding,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 5:34 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m having trouble trying to download the file.  The download turns out
>> to be a link to google and then nothing appears.  Can anyone tell me how to
>> download the actual file?  I’m using a pc and windows 10.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy 
>> *Sent: *Friday, March 22, 2019 6:59 AM
>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List of Seminary students
>>
>>
>>
>> Everyone should take Cheri's advice and download this file to your own
>> computer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> ~~~
>>
>> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>>
>>http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/
>>
>> ~~~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 21, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> I would VERY QUICKLY download this to your computer and keep it somewhere
>> before it disappears. The Azorean Government has been having a lot of talk
>> about privacy, and this document violates it. Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:56 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Kathy, thanks for putting it on your site, that way I can't forget how to
>> access the site! LOL
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 4:45 PM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> There has been a new link added to the Azores GenWeb. It is a list of
>> seminary students that attended seminary in Angra from 1862 until 2013. 
>> Information
>> includes the student name, their freguesia, their parents, the age they
>> were admitted to the seminary, the date admitted, and any observations.
>>
>>
>>
>> The link is titled, "Alunos do Seminário Episcopal de Angra de 1862 –
>> 2013
>> 
>> *” *and can be found on this page:
>> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/general-info/links.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> When you connect to the linked file, look at the bottom of the page and
>> click on the middle tab, "Registo da BPARAH-2”, for the list of students.
>> The students are not only from Terceira, but could be from any of the
>> islands. The page is searchable by using Control+F for Windows, or
>> Command+F for Macs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kathy Cardoza
>>
>> Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
>>
>> ~~~
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Paternal Grandfather's name

[Margaret Vicente]

Leonor,

I'me reading it as "Jose Joaquim Tronelho"

Margaret

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 4:06 PM  wrote:

> Can someone make out the paternal grandfather's last name? I see João
> Joaquim ???
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P130.html
>
> TIA
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio Alves Brasil and Rosa Maria, Manadas, Sao Jorge Marriage note about 1766

[Margaret Vicente]

Bill,

That's what it is.  "A Justification" brought about by Rosa Maria da
Piedade, because they couldn't find the actual marriage record.  You will
see this near the end of 8th line from the top... "e, por que senao
acha o termo do seu recebimento" [and because the marriage record is not
found] .

Dated 1808 and inserted in the area of 1767 [probably closest blank area
they were able to enter this justification around the 44 year markof
1764] for future reference.

So it seams this couple had a daughter born of the marriage, Rosa Maria da
Piedade who justified it.

Margaret

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 4:24 AM  wrote:

> I would really like to understand what this is about (left side) but I
> really don't get it.
>
> This page seems to have been inserted here and is some kind of explanation
> or justification rather than a marriage record.  It looks like it is dated
> 22 Jan 1808, but the records around it are 1766.  I think it says the
> couple has been married for 44 years (from 1808--so since 1763/4?)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1724-1775/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1724-1775_item1/P119.html
>
> I have been unable to find the marriage where one would expect it (before
> 1763).  I only came up with this not while I was looking for something else.
>
> These are my wife's ancestors.  My wife descends from their daughter
> born in Jan 1763.  She was daughter of Antonio Alveres Brasil and his wife
> Rosa Maria so at least that priest thought they were already married in Jan
> 1763.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1745-1773/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1745-1773_item1/P120.html
> (bottom left)
>
> Thank you,
> Bill Seidler
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manadas Sao Jorge marriage and baptism in1786:need another set of eyes

[Margaret Vicente]

Me too Bill, I should have seen that.  Thank Sam.  I think I’ll stop reading 
until my eye sight gets better :)

Margaret


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To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manadas Sao Jorge marriage and baptism 
in1786:need another set of eyes

Thank you Sam.  You are right; I inadvertently dropped the Antonio.

Margaret thanks for the confirmation.

Bill

On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-7, Sam Koester wrote:
Margaret;  I see Antonio in front of that Joao Agueda???
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 8:04 AM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manadas Sao Jorge marriage and baptism in1786: 
need another set of eyes
 
Hi Bill, 
1.
Groom's father you got it.  Andre Teixeira da Silveira e Lemos
Bride, daughter of Joao de Aguada [Agueda]
 
2. Birth date 11 Jan 1786 
 
Yes, all confirmed.  
Margaret
 
On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 12:38 AM  wrote:
I see this marriage on 9 Jan 1786
Groom: Manuel Machado Teixeira, son of André Teixeira da Silveira (? e Lemos) 
and his wife Margarida de Jesus
Bride: Rosa Machado de Azevedo, daughter of José (or João) (de Aguada) and his 
wife Maria do Rosario, both deceased. 
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1776-1831/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1776-1831_item1/P30.html
 (left side)
 
 
I see the birthdate on this baptism 11 Jan 1786 (lines 4 and 5) just two days 
after his parents marriage (above); Am I seeing this right?
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1773-1801/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1773-1801_item1/P70.html
 (lower right)
 
Thanks for any help.
Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manadas Sao Jorge marriage and baptism in 1786: need another set of eyes

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Bill,
1.
Groom's father you got it.  Andre Teixeira da Silveira e Lemos
Bride, daughter of Joao de Aguada [Agueda]

2. Birth date 11 Jan 1786

Yes, all confirmed.
Margaret

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 12:38 AM  wrote:

> I see this marriage on 9 Jan 1786
> Groom: Manuel Machado Teixeira, son of André Teixeira da Silveira (? e
> Lemos) and his wife Margarida de Jesus
> Bride: Rosa Machado de Azevedo, daughter of José (or João) (de Aguada) and
> his wife Maria do Rosario, both deceased.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1776-1831/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1776-1831_item1/P30.html
>  (left
> side)
>
>
> I see the birthdate on this baptism 11 Jan 1786 (lines 4 and 5) just two
> days after his parents marriage (above); Am I seeing this right?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1773-1801/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1773-1801_item1/P70.html
> (lower right)
>
> Thanks for any help.
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism of Maria, Manadas Sao Jorge, 1854

[Margaret Vicente]

viuvo, q mepedio lhe lansase neste termo por sua filha

[que me pediu lhe lançasse .]

Margaret

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 12:24 AM  wrote:

> Maria was born to a single mother and a widow.  I would like to know the
> words after the father's name that I assume is his admitting to being the
> father.  Starts on line 4 with "viuvo…" and ends next line I believe
> with"...sua filha ??, fregueses…"
> (bottom right)
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860_item1/P83.html*
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote

[Margaret Vicente]

As entered;  Maria Hedeuriges.  

Name: Hederige
Variations: Hedrige, Hedriges, Hendriges 

Margaret
From: Leonor Bertoni
Sent: March 11, 2019 8:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote

Could be. 

On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 20:37, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
That is a tough one, Hendriques???
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: Leonor Bertoni
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 5:33 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote
 
I meant the bride's name, side note, just below the mother's name. It says 
casou civilmente com Maria .
 
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 20:31, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Do you mean the mother’s name?  Maria dos Anjos
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
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Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:46 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote
 
Hello everyone, 
Can someone please help me with the wife's name? I see Maria Hedeurigues but I 
don't think that's a real name. 
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1900-1905/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1900-1905_item1/P489.html
 
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism of Antonio Espinola, Praia, Graciosa, 1831

[Margaret Vicente]

Bil, 

It’s the letter ‘D’ for Dona; as in D. Catharina [Catarina]

Margaret

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism of Antonio Espinola, Praia, Graciosa, 1831

Please help with parents' names for Antonio, bottom left.

I see Rafael Spinola (Espinola) and his wife ? Catharina (what is that before 
Catharina?).

I see that they live in Fonte do Mato, which is in this parish and after that 
is the birthdate of 28 Apr 1731.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1728-1738/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1728-1738_item1/P61.html

Thanks in advance.

Bill Seidler

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] What part of this name is surname?

[Margaret Vicente]

Sam,  is your question related to various surnames or one person with all those 
surnames?

They are all real surnames, where you show Conto is probably be “Canto”.

Luis de Figueiredo e Lemos do Canto Corte Real, figures in RR Genealogies 
[Cap.º 216.º § 1.º, N.º 11]

Cheers,
Margaret

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: March 7, 2019 7:13 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What part of this name is surname?

Conto might be Couto. The last one usually comes together as Côrte-Real. 
A quinta, 7 de mar de 2019, 23:47, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 escreveu:
Luis de Figueiredo Lenardo Conto Corte Real  
 
I came across the above name in the births of Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sao 
Pedro.  Figueiredo is in my line but; the rest of these; are they really 
surnames?
 
Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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