subject:"What Threshold Threat of CO2"

Impossible to say Brent and actually more  hard to care. One can only state the 
truth as one sees it an move forwards. And yeah evidence and reason do work for 
me, as long as there is no counter-evidence that I trust. An example would be 
solar energy. Or abortion for example, not exactly aligning with the typical 
voter. 


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On 8/27/2022 6:31 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
> I am no conservative, but more of a nationalist-centrist and can be 
> persuaded by evidence and reason. 

Does anybody believe that...besides you?

Brent

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-27 Thread Brent Meeker





On 8/27/2022 6:31 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
I am no conservative, but more of a nationalist-centrist and can be 
persuaded by evidence and reason. 


Does anybody believe that...besides you?

Brent

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

This is the progressive mindset Thomas. If you do this, they call it 
"whataboudism," which is a way they shut opposing voices (within their 
ideology) up. So the national policy of a dictator is to their minds, somehow 
equal to deadly screw ups, and prejudices with a faith. Never dare compare and 
contrast!
Allow me to compare and contrast Pius XII, the lamented, with Joe Stalin. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII_and_the_Holocaust
Now let's look at Josep. By academic Timothy Snyder 
(2011)https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2011/01/27/hitler-vs-stalin-who-was-worse/

Oh, then there was this-https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC139050/

So you presented your historically factual evidence and it gets rejected 
because it offends The Ideology. 
But, you knew this. I am no conservative, but more of a nationalist-centrist 
and can be persuaded by evidence and reason. Having said that, it is doubtful 
that many can allow their minds to be changed by evidence and knowledge. 
The have a faith to protect. 



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Why concentrate on the USSR?  Because they were nominally atheists?   
Why not read

https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/canadian-native-childrens-graves-reflect-history-indigenous-vanishment

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/9-000-children-died-irish-mother-baby-homes-report-finds-n1253862

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/05/271892642/vatican-let-abuse-of-kids-go-on-for-decades-u-n-panel-says

Brent

On 8/26/2022 1:17 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
> Materials, not all read yet:
>
> - "The Littlest Enemies: Children in the Shadow of the Gulag", a book
>    by Deborah Hoffman
>
>    The book is not read, but seems promising. OTOH, I have read other
>    things on the subject and I feel half sick already every time I
>    think about it. And I am not a newbie to this shit.
>
> - 'A lifetime sentence': children of the gulag fight to return from
>    exile
>
>    Millions of Soviet citizens were sent to vast network of prison
>    camps under Stalin. Now their descendants seek recompense.
>
>    [
>
>    
>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/23/children-of-the-gulag-soviet-stalin
>
>    ]
>
> - "Russia's 'Children of the Gulag' battle to return home after exile"
>    By Tom Balmforth, Evgenia Novozhenina
>
>    MOSCOW/ZOLOTKOVSKY RAZEZD (Reuters) - Living in a wooden hut 300 km
>    from Moscow, Elizaveta Mikhaylova feels trapped in the same forced
>    exile imposed on her family during Josef Stalin’s Great Terror when
>    her father was sent to the Gulag prison camps.
>
>    [
>
>    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-gulag-idUSKBN29J1NX
>
>    ]
>
> - "The Forgotten Victims: Childhood and the Soviet Gulag, 1929–1953"
>    article by Elaine MacKinnon
>
>    [
>
>    https://doi.org/10.5195/cbp.2012.186

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

Look, you are just like a lot of academics who's intellectual brilliance get's 
eclipsed by their ideology. Ideology as a faith movement.' AKA Group loyalty 
and identity. Also, you like the high street crime rates outside your burg? You 
go much further out of Princeton, and the hood takes over. But perhaps fear of 
radiation from JET frightens the criminal element off??  Late in life Carlin 
realized that both parties sucked. Which leaves us both with a question, "what 
to do?"


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On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 4:27:38 PM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:18 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


> I postulate this. That had [George] Carlin lived longer, he would have, not 
> without reject, voted for Orange Man. 

You've got to be kidding!!  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxQclbn9YGI

Spudboy, you almost define idiocy.
LC 


> You dems groove on personality,

Guilty as charged. Call us crazy but for some silly reason we Democrats would 
prefer that the person who has access to the nuclear launch codes not be an 
megalomaniac ignoramus with the morality of an intestinal worm.

 > but I focus on policy.
 Like Trump's policy of revoking the affordable care act when he had nothing to 
replace it even though he swore that he did? Lke disbanding the pandemic 
response team that was supposed to catch epidemics in their infancy because 
Obama started it and if Obama started something, anything, his policy was to 
end it? Like his policy of canceling the Iran nuclear deal even though Iran had 
not been violating it and resulted in Iran coming much closer to having a 
nuclear bomb than it otherwise would? Like his policy of changing the tax laws 
that gave huge tax breaks to corporations and to individuals who made more than 
$500,000 a year but did virtually nothing to help the middle class? Like his 
policy of appointing judges to the Supreme Court that he knew would decree that 
women do not have sovereignty over their own bodies? Like his policy of trying 
to nullify a presidential election that he lost and instigating a coup d'état 
and doing everything he could think of to become the first American dictator? 
Like telling 30,573 lies during his administration, an average of 21 a day... 
oh wait that one doesn't count because it's more of a personality thing than a 
policy thing and you don't care about trivial things like honesty.


>  I love how his vicious policy of prevented 5 million new migrant's be 
> allowed to come into the US

Did you also love his policy of child separation? Sorry silly question, of 
course you did, you love all forms of cruelty as long as they're not directed 
at you.   
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

My reply:
I personally know people who were involved in the ACA, and they told me it 
sucked. That the prices per month kept climbing and climbing and service got 
worse and worse. Obama also let his contributor's for campaigns like 
UnitedHeathCare write the act. Then they bailed on him after 2012 when their 
nefarious scheme failed Ha Ha!! We could have been better off with a 
scrutinized expanded Medicaid, and this is from a 2 x Trumpo voter!
I consider the man with The Football as far more sane then Joey who screwed the 
world with his Afghanistan Withdrawal, especially now with the Taliban 
re-arming and the Iranian government sending assassins on US soil to kill 
Americans. Susan Rice, Obama's girlfriend his FP advisor. 
Also, this is one of yours. 

Hochul Tells Republican Candidates To Leave The State, GOP Responds
Hochul Tells Republican Candidates To Leave The State, GOP Responds - Long 
Island, NY (longisland-ny.com)

Interesting, that the democrats want the very people that would defend the land 
from attack, the democrats viscerally hate, dead and gone. So if Putin or Xi do 
conflict, should we sign up with Miley and Austin to protect "democracy," aka 
the democrats?? 
My expected dem answer: "Of course they will they have no choice in such a 
case!!" My response is, "You really think??!!"
Sorry John, dying for White Hot Rage Miley and his DNC sponsors and his Wall 
Street China toadies doesn't seem rational.  President Joe? We'll find him, in 
his Delaware basement, when the PLA troops appoint him US Gauleiter. Ha!
This is fun! 

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:18 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:

> I postulate this. That had [George] Carlin lived longer, he would have, not 
> without reject, voted for Orange Man. 

You've got to be kidding!!  

> You dems groove on personality,

Guilty as charged. Call us crazy but for some silly reason we Democrats would 
prefer that the person who has access to the nuclear launch codes not be an 
megalomaniac ignoramus with the morality of an intestinal worm.

 > but I focus on policy.
 Like Trump's policy of revoking the affordable care act when he had nothing to 
replace it even though he swore that he did? Lke disbanding the pandemic 
response team that was supposed to catch epidemics in their infancy because 
Obama started it and if Obama started something, anything, his policy was to 
end it? Like his policy of canceling the Iran nuclear deal even though Iran had 
not been violating it and resulted in Iran coming much closer to having a 
nuclear bomb than it otherwise would? Like his policy of changing the tax laws 
that gave huge tax breaks to corporations and to individuals who made more than 
$500,000 a year but did virtually nothing to help the middle class? Like his 
policy of appointing judges to the Supreme Court that he knew would decree that 
women do not have sovereignty over their own bodies? Like his policy of trying 
to nullify a presidential election that he lost and instigating a coup d'état 
and doing everything he could think of to become the first American dictator? 
Like telling 30,573 lies during his administration, an average of 21 a day... 
oh wait that one doesn't count because it's more of a personality thing than a 
policy thing and you don't care about trivial things like honesty.

>  I love how his vicious policy of prevented 5 million new migrant's be 
> allowed to come into the US

Did you also love his policy of child separation? Sorry silly question, of 
course you did, you love all forms of cruelty as long as they're not directed 
at you.   
  John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-26 Thread Brent Meeker

I hate to tell you this John, but my spam filter is starting to delete
you. I think it's the company you keep.

Brent

On 8/26/2022 2:27 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:18 PM spudboy100 via Everything List
wrote:

/> I postulate this. That had /[George] /Carlin lived longer, he
would have, not without reject, voted for Orange Man. /

*You've got to be kidding!! *

/> You dems groove on personality,/

Guilty as charged. Call us crazy but for some silly reason we
Democrats would prefer that the person who has access to the nuclear
launch codesnot be an megalomaniac ignoramus with the morality of an
intestinal worm.

/> but I focus on policy./

Like Trump's policy of revoking the affordable care act when he had
nothing to replace it even though he swore that he did? Lke disbanding
the pandemic response team that was supposed to catch epidemics in
their infancy because Obama started it and if Obama started something,
anything, his policy was to end it? Like his policy of canceling the
Iran nuclear deal even though Iran had not been violating it and
resulted in Iran coming much closer to having a nuclear bomb than it
otherwise would? Like his policy of changing the tax laws that gave
huge tax breaks to corporations and to individuals who made more than
$500,000 a year but did virtually nothing to help the middle class?
Like his policy of appointing judges to the Supreme Court that he knew
would decree that women do not have sovereignty over their own bodies?
Like his policy of trying to nullify a presidential election that he
lost and instigating a coup d'état and doing everything he could think
of to become the first American dictator? Like telling 30,573 lies
during his administration, an average of 21 a day... oh wait that one
doesn't count because it's more of a personality thing than a policy
thing and you don't care about trivial things like honesty.

> I love how his vicious policy of prevented 5 million new
migrant's be allowed to come into the US

Did you also love his policy of child separation?Sorry silly question,
of course you did, you love all forms of cruelty as long as they're
not directed at you.

John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis

ndy

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-26 Thread Brent Meeker

Why concentrate on the USSR?  Because they were nominally atheists?   
Why not read


https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/canadian-native-childrens-graves-reflect-history-indigenous-vanishment

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/9-000-children-died-irish-mother-baby-homes-report-finds-n1253862

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/05/271892642/vatican-let-abuse-of-kids-go-on-for-decades-u-n-panel-says

Brent

On 8/26/2022 1:17 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote:

Materials, not all read yet:

- "The Littlest Enemies: Children in the Shadow of the Gulag", a book
   by Deborah Hoffman

   The book is not read, but seems promising. OTOH, I have read other
   things on the subject and I feel half sick already every time I
   think about it. And I am not a newbie to this shit.

- 'A lifetime sentence': children of the gulag fight to return from
   exile

   Millions of Soviet citizens were sent to vast network of prison
   camps under Stalin. Now their descendants seek recompense.

   [

   
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/23/children-of-the-gulag-soviet-stalin

   ]

- "Russia's 'Children of the Gulag' battle to return home after exile"
   By Tom Balmforth, Evgenia Novozhenina

   MOSCOW/ZOLOTKOVSKY RAZEZD (Reuters) - Living in a wooden hut 300 km
   from Moscow, Elizaveta Mikhaylova feels trapped in the same forced
   exile imposed on her family during Josef Stalin’s Great Terror when
   her father was sent to the Gulag prison camps.

   [

   https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-gulag-idUSKBN29J1NX

   ]

- "The Forgotten Victims: Childhood and the Soviet Gulag, 1929–1953"
   article by Elaine MacKinnon

   [

   https://doi.org/10.5195/cbp.2012.186


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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-26 Thread Lawrence Crowell



On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 4:27:38 PM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:18 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> *> I postulate this. That had *[George] *Carlin lived longer, he would 
>> have, not without reject, voted for Orange Man. *
>
>
> *You've got to be kidding!!  *
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxQclbn9YGI

Spudboy, you almost define idiocy.

LC
 

>
> *> You dems groove on personality,*
>>
>
> Guilty as charged. Call us crazy but for some silly reason we Democrats 
> would prefer that the person who has access to the nuclear launch codes 
> not be an megalomaniac ignoramus with the morality of an intestinal worm.
>
> * > but I focus on policy.*
>>
>  
> Like Trump's policy of revoking the affordable care act when he had 
> nothing to replace it even though he swore that he did? Lke disbanding the 
> pandemic response team that was supposed to catch epidemics in their 
> infancy because Obama started it and if Obama started something, anything, 
> his policy was to end it? Like his policy of canceling the Iran nuclear 
> deal even though Iran had not been violating it and resulted in Iran coming 
> much closer to having a nuclear bomb than it otherwise would? Like his 
> policy of changing the tax laws that gave huge tax breaks to corporations 
> and to individuals who made more than $500,000 a year but did virtually 
> nothing to help the middle class? Like his policy of appointing judges to 
> the Supreme Court that he knew would decree that women do not have 
> sovereignty over their own bodies? Like his policy of trying to nullify a 
> presidential election that he lost and instigating a coup d'état and doing 
> everything he could think of to become the first American dictator? Like 
> telling 30,573 lies during his administration, an average of 21 a day... oh 
> wait that one doesn't count because it's more of a personality thing than a 
> policy thing and you don't care about trivial things like honesty.
>
> >  I love how his vicious policy of prevented 5 million new migrant's be 
>> allowed to come into the US
>>
>
> Did you also love his policy of child separation? Sorry silly question, 
> of course you did, you love all forms of cruelty as long as they're not 
> directed at you.   
>
>   John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
>
> ndy
>
> ssq
> lp
>

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-26 Thread John Clark

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:18 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

*> I postulate this. That had *[George] *Carlin lived longer, he would
> have, not without reject, voted for Orange Man. *

*You've got to be kidding!!  *

*> You dems groove on personality,*
>

Guilty as charged. Call us crazy but for some silly reason we Democrats
would prefer that the person who has access to the nuclear launch codes not
be an megalomaniac ignoramus with the morality of an intestinal worm.

* > but I focus on policy.*
>

Like Trump's policy of revoking the affordable care act when he had nothing
to replace it even though he swore that he did? Lke disbanding the pandemic
response team that was supposed to catch epidemics in their infancy because
Obama started it and if Obama started something, anything, his policy was
to end it? Like his policy of canceling the Iran nuclear deal even though
Iran had not been violating it and resulted in Iran coming much closer to
having a nuclear bomb than it otherwise would? Like his policy of changing
the tax laws that gave huge tax breaks to corporations and to individuals
who made more than $500,000 a year but did virtually nothing to help the
middle class? Like his policy of appointing judges to the Supreme Court
that he knew would decree that women do not have sovereignty over their own
bodies? Like his policy of trying to nullify a presidential election that
he lost and instigating a coup d'état and doing everything he could think
of to become the first American dictator? Like telling 30,573 lies during
his administration, an average of 21 a day... oh wait that one doesn't
count because it's more of a personality thing than a policy thing and you
don't care about trivial things like honesty.

>  I love how his vicious policy of prevented 5 million new migrant's be
> allowed to come into the US
>

Did you also love his policy of child separation? Sorry silly question, of
course you did, you love all forms of cruelty as long as they're not
directed at you.

  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

ndy

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-26 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List

You dems groove on personality, but I focus on policy. Group knowledge is still 
a thing that even a physicist might acknowledge? I mean, we all have our 
observer moments. Why not just list what you hated and opposed about his 
policies, versus doing something different? Like, "I hated his higher taxes 
because, oh wait!"
Or, I love how his vicious policy of prevented 5 million new migrant's be 
allowed to come into the US so they can settle in and be counted in the US 
Census so as to increase seats in the House... That is how our flawed Census 
actually works.
When kindness has a motivation and it also is a reward for the "kind person," 
I'd rate it as not so kind. Being an ulterior motive that rewards... But even 
this niceness does have a social and economic price.Democrats suddenly realize 
open borders are a disaster (nypost.com)
So yeah, when you get a moment, why not list his policy failures rathe than 
just do ad hominins-which is all dems seem to be able to do, behaviorally.

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Threat of CO2]

If there was a common wisdom of the common man t'Rump would never have been on 
the ballot.
LC

On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 5:13:14 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:46 AM Lawrence Crowell  
wrote:

> There is no such thing as "common wisdom" of the average man. If there were 
> Don-the-Con t'Rump would not have been elected. The average person is pretty 
> ignorant and half of them are just unintelligent.

In defense of the average person I'd have to say that in 2016 the average 
person didn't want Donald Trump to be president, the average person wanted 
Hillary Clinton to be president, but unfortunately thanks to our screwy 
political system average people don't get to vote for the president, only the 
538 elite members of the electoral college do.  Average people rejected Trump 
again in 2020 by a 7 million vote margin and fortunately this time the 
electoral college rejected him too despite Trump's frantic attempts to rig it 
in his favor; but if Trump had gotten just a few thousand more votes in just a 
few states he would've won the presidency yet again. And that would've been the 
last real presidential election in American history, after that we'd just get 
the sort of "election" they have in North Korea where the Dear Leader gets 
99.99% of the vote.      
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-26 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List

I voted for him having hated barrack Benghazi, which was no show-stopper for 
you, and felt we had to get somebody sharper. I didn't expect him to win, 
because no matter if one is a physicist, if one thinks emotionally only, it 
occults whatever brilliance they possess, like with yourself.
I think I remember asking my wife if she thought she'd (hilly) do a better job 
than Obama on a national healthcare act before I bagged some sleep? and then 
woke up to the rule of the Donald.

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Sent: Fri, Aug 26, 2022 6:12 am
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Threat of CO2]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:46 AM Lawrence Crowell 
 wrote:

> There is no such thing as "common wisdom" of the average man. If there were 
> Don-the-Con t'Rump would not have been elected. The average person is pretty 
> ignorant and half of them are just unintelligent.

In defense of the average person I'd have to say that in 2016 the average 
person didn't want Donald Trump to be president, the average person wanted 
Hillary Clinton to be president, but unfortunately thanks to our screwy 
political system average people don't get to vote for the president, only the 
538 elite members of the electoral college do.  Average people rejected Trump 
again in 2020 by a 7 million vote margin and fortunately this time the 
electoral college rejected him too despite Trump's frantic attempts to rig it 
in his favor; but if Trump had gotten just a few thousand more votes in just a 
few states he would've won the presidency yet again. And that would've been the 
last real presidential election in American history, after that we'd just get 
the sort of "election" they have in North Korea where the Dear Leader gets 
99.99% of the vote.      
 John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-26 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List

I postulate this. That had Carlin lived longer, he would have, not without 
reject, voted for Orange Man. 
I am not trying to sell Don to you with a side of coleslaw, but rather to state 
how worse Joe and maybe Hillary are, and would be. For Joe, I would point out 
the disastrously bad Susan Rice effect.
Barrack got the blame, but Sue was in charge back in 2012 for Benghazi, as well 
as the 2021 Afghanistan fiasco, and the current Ayatollah hugging (as they try 
to kill John Bolton on US soil) which indicates this is not a show-stopper. 
I do wish to see how well or poorly Joe's energy bill is going to work out. 
"Wonderful, Weirdo!!!" -now that is from pre-Beard, Carlin

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On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 9:00:39 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

The original analogy by the philosopher (forget the name) was Jupiter, just to 
be picky. The point is today, we could, if we were rich as Musk, could physical 
place a Tea Pot into orbit of whichever Gas Giant you'd like. My experience is 
that many scientists hold everyone else as chumps, including their peers, and 
devalue collective intelligence of the human species. Understandable, yet this 
also is faulty. 

There is no such thing as "common wisdom" of the average man. If there were 
Don-the-Con t'Rump would not have been elected. The average person is pretty 
ignorant and half of them are just unintelligent. As George Carlin put it, 
"Consider how dumb the average person is, and then consider half of people are 
dumber than that."
LC 

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On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 11:33 PM  wrote:

>  I don't worship science as a faith. 

Neither do scientists.  
> On the other hand, this theory hasn't been successfully refuted, yet!

The theory that there is a China teapot in orbit around the planet Uranus 
hasn't been refuted either!  
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RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: What Threshold Threat of CO2

2022-08-26 Thread Philip Benjamin

general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: What Threshold Threat of CO2
Rosie: "why was this idea of the Holy Spirit alone never..."
Philip Benjamin: Why is the idea of Sabbath and Sabbatical  (especially in 
pagan academia- WAMP-the-Ingrate) alone never in Sola Scriptura?
Philip
From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>> 
Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: What Threshold Threat of CO2
I have only quotes and no comments. This is an American problem, maybe its a 
German one too. And thus theirs.

Wikipedia
Sola scriptura, meaning by scripture alone, is a Christian theological doctrine 
held by most Protestant Christian denominations, in particular the Lutheran and 
Reformed traditions of Protestantism, that posits the Bible as the sole 
infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice

Joseph Noah Gagliardi [Puritan Board Freshman]

why was this idea of the Holy Spirit alone never formally developed as were the 
other Solas?
"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God
spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:21

"The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue." 2 Samuel 
23:2

The doctrine of Sola Scriptura is not viable on its own, it must always be
accompanied by the Holy Spirit, whereby we have the witness that it is indeed
the Word of God. The Roman church blasphemously claims that Sola Scriptura
is not found in Scripture, but it is, and here most clearly in 2 Peter,
as well as in the preceding verse, 20, which reads
"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private 
interpretation."
For no man may interpret Scripture, or else you have a profusion of blasphemies
spread forth from the heart of man, but it is by the Holy Spirit witnessing in
our hearts to the truth of Scripture, as inspired by the Holy Spirit,
and only as the human faculty of reason is used as the instrument to search out
the things that the Holy Spirit would reveal within in us.
If you deny Sola Scriptura, you necessarily deny Solus Spiritus Sanctus,
and thus deny the Trinity, and are but a vain blasphemer.
Without the Holy Spirit, we cannot know the truth of Scripture to be infallible,
for the Spirit of God opens our eyes to its truth and power.

So why was this never layed down as a pillar of our faith, in support and 
concert with the other Solas

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[Philip Benjamin]
Mundane Paganism: Pan-Gaian-ism, earth centered devotion, natural mindedness, 
natural inclinations, either self-refining or the self-coarsening, 
self-awakening or demoniacal awakening.
Novo Zoe: Transcendent Transformation, New Creation, Alien Regeneration, 
Awakening Consciousness ["Two Great Awakenings"], Adonai YHWH Elohim 
exclusively and Solo Scriptura, Solus Spiritus.
Examples: Patriarchs, Prophets, Apostles and myriads of file and rank and of 
examples of prodigious Augustine of Hippo.
[Philip Benjamin]
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of John Clark
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To: everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2
On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 1:54 PM Philip Benjamin 
mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> Stalin (Marxism), Hitler (Socialism), Mussolini (Fascism), Mao etc. (all in 
> effect are fascists) never dealt with climate change. They were all PAGANS
For Darwin sake! Pagan pagan pagan, is that really the only word you have to 
describe somebody you don't like? Your vocabulary is double plus ungood, it 
needs to become more better.
John K Clark See what's on my new list
.
LC. "You follow what I notice of Christians. Jesus said to give up wealth to 
the poor. However, Christians most often align with the most wealthy and 
powerful. You are a religious shill for the oil companies. Remember that little 
bit in Matthew where Jesus said though you professed my name etc, when the 
kingdom comes I will not know you. It is the same with all Christian Churches, 
they all align with fascistic power. All but one Christian Church aligned with 
Adolf Hitler and the Nazis, which was the Jehovah's Witnesses. Most Christians 
are just dirty fascists, and if Jesus does exists (which I stro

Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-26 Thread Lawrence Crowell

If there was a common wisdom of the common man t'Rump would never have been 
on the ballot.

LC

On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 5:13:14 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:46 AM Lawrence Crowell  
> wrote:
>
> *> There is no such thing as "common wisdom" of the average man. If there 
>> were Don-the-Con t'Rump would not have been elected. The average person is 
>> pretty ignorant and half of them are just unintelligent.*
>>
>
> In defense of the average person I'd have to say that in 2016 the average 
> person didn't want Donald Trump to be president, the average person wanted 
> Hillary Clinton to be president, but unfortunately thanks to our screwy 
> political system average people don't get to vote for the president, only 
> the 538 elite members of the electoral college do.  Average people rejected 
> Trump again in 2020 by a 7 million vote margin and fortunately this time 
> the electoral college rejected him too despite Trump's frantic attempts to 
> rig it in his favor; but if Trump had gotten just a few thousand more votes 
> in just a few states he would've won the presidency yet again. And that 
> would've been the last real presidential election in American history, 
> after that we'd just get the sort of "election" they have in North Korea 
> where the Dear Leader gets 99.99% of the vote.  
>
>  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
> lpl
>
>
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-26 Thread John Clark

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:46 AM Lawrence Crowell <
goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote:

*> There is no such thing as "common wisdom" of the average man. If there
> were Don-the-Con t'Rump would not have been elected. The average person is
> pretty ignorant and half of them are just unintelligent.*
>

In defense of the average person I'd have to say that in 2016 the average
person didn't want Donald Trump to be president, the average person wanted
Hillary Clinton to be president, but unfortunately thanks to our screwy
political system average people don't get to vote for the president, only
the 538 elite members of the electoral college do.  Average people rejected
Trump again in 2020 by a 7 million vote margin and fortunately this time
the electoral college rejected him too despite Trump's frantic attempts to
rig it in his favor; but if Trump had gotten just a few thousand more votes
in just a few states he would've won the presidency yet again. And that
would've been the last real presidential election in American history,
after that we'd just get the sort of "election" they have in North Korea
where the Dear Leader gets 99.99% of the vote.

 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-26 Thread Lawrence Crowell

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 9:00:39 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

> The original analogy by the philosopher (forget the name) was Jupiter, 
> just to be picky. The point is today, we could, if we were rich as Musk, 
> could physical place a Tea Pot into orbit of whichever Gas Giant you'd 
> like. My experience is that many scientists hold everyone else as chumps, 
> including their peers, and devalue collective intelligence of the human 
> species. Understandable, yet this also is faulty. 
>
>
There is no such thing as "common wisdom" of the average man. If there were 
Don-the-Con t'Rump would not have been elected. The average person is 
pretty ignorant and half of them are just unintelligent. As George Carlin 
put it, "Consider how dumb the average person is, and then consider half of 
people are dumber than that."

LC
 

>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Clark 
> To: spudb...@aol.com
> Cc: everyth...@googlegroups.com ; 
> meeke...@gmail.com 
> Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2022 8:19 am
> Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What 
> Threshold Threat of CO2]
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 11:33 PM  wrote:
>
> >  *I don't worship science as a faith. *
>
>
> Neither do scientists. 
>  
>
> *> On the other hand, this theory hasn't been successfully refuted, yet!*
>
>
> The theory that there is a China teapot in orbit around the planet Uranus 
> hasn't been refuted either!  
>
>  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-26 Thread Tomasz Rola

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:10:46AM +0200, Telmo Menezes wrote:
[...]
> 
> Believe it or not I am also a lousy programmer and had formal
> education as an engineer (even though I have a hard time seeing
> myself as one) who has done some research with anthropologists:

Heh.

> https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-01429067/file/eScholarship%20UC%20item%205p57j1jm.pdf

"The page does not exist"... Perhaps there is a copy somewhere else?

> I always thought that scouts were the best part of Catholicism and I
> almost joined at some point.

Yeah. I guess if ever was into joining anybody, scouts would be it.

[...]
> Child abuse committed by Catholic priests is so incredibly common
> that there must be something about being a Catholic priest that
> either attracts people prone to these behaviors and/or triggers such
> behaviors. I suspect that there are three things that play a huge
> role:
> 
> (1) The vow of celibacy
> (2) The association of normal sexual desires with guilt from a young age
> (3) The exclusion of women from priesthood
> 
> All of these are catholic dogmas, and they produce a certain
> outcome, and the Catholics refuse to face this.

You seem to be right, but to be sure I would have to try reading about
other faiths and what is their stance on above subjects - and if they
too, display some kind of abnormal behaviours (as defined by the norms
of their communities). Overally, sounds like interesting hobby
project, for me at least. As various faiths give their followers some
desired way to behave, what are side effects of it on follower's
psyche. This would mean, do they have scandals, those communities of
stranger followers?

Yep. Sometimes I would like few more heads.

[...]
> >> How dare you?
> >
> > Uhumm. How dare I what exactly? How dare I to think? How dare I not be
> > manipulated into emotional reaction?
> 
> How dare you invoke "satanism", an invention and psychosis of
> Christians that also did incredible harm to innocent people, to
> deflect from the other crimes of Christianity? This is what I find
> particularly distasteful. Maybe you didn't mean it like that. A lot
> of people do. I know Catholicism very well from the inside (against
> my will) and I am used to their silly rhetoric. They love to pretend
> that they are ultimately a force for good, fighting these silly
> shadowy threats (that they invented). The inquisition already did
> this.

As I sometimes hear news from Radio Vatican, to have a better
understanding of what things look like from that place, I have indeed
got a feeling they are doing something good from time to time. It is
good to hear from many sources, if you ask me.

As of the idea that Jesus Christ and Mr Satan are being promoted by
the same people - no, somehow it never crossed my mind. And your rage,
suggesting I should have known the two were so close related, was and
still is a bit incomprehensible.

[...]
> > Because I am afraid you have been manipulated.
> 
> I have been manipulated into thinking that there is something wrong
> with an organization that has 1/4 million of child abuse cases to
> its name just in Europe? And whose leaders did and do all they can
> to hide it? Can you imagine how religious people would react if
> these crimes were being perpetrated by some secular organization?

Aha! I probably know. If you would like to educate yourself a bit
about children abuse as done by "secular satanists", there is a bit of
reading material.

Intro:

  As husbands were being sent to gulags, so were their wifes. Their
  children aged 1.5-15 years were sent to orphanages and subject to
  gross negligence and social stigma. Some 10-50% of them died, if I
  am to believe some article. Older children were sent to gulags,
  where their chance of survival were slim, because gulag was exactly
  for extermination (I have read some anecdotic bynote that prisoners
  sent to cut the trees were seeing trees cut by earlier groups,
  rotting on the ground - nobody cared).

  Anyway, given the estimate of gulag inmates, I think one can have an
  estimate of children abused - using statistics, some modeling,
  another hobby, even if rather grim. Out of my head, if there were
  18-20 million prisoners, then I would say it could be 1-2 million
  children, both in orphanages and in lagers. I do not have so much
  time to do a real computation but I really wonder what kind of
  number a computer will show me if I try to get it out.

Materials, not all read yet:

- "The Littlest Enemies: Children in the Shadow of the Gulag", a book
  by Deborah Hoffman

  The book is not read, but seems promising. OTOH, I have read other
  things on the subject and I feel half sick already every time I
  think about it. And I am not a newbie to this shit.

- 'A lifetime sentence': children of the gulag fight to return from
  exile

  Millions of Soviet citizens were sent to vast network of prison
  camps under Stalin. Now their descendants seek recompense. 

  [

Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

The original analogy by the philosopher (forget the name) was Jupiter, just to 
be picky. The point is today, we could, if we were rich as Musk, could physical 
place a Tea Pot into orbit of whichever Gas Giant you'd like. My experience is 
that many scientists hold everyone else as chumps, including their peers, and 
devalue collective intelligence of the human species. Understandable, yet this 
also is faulty. 

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On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 11:33 PM  wrote:

>  I don't worship science as a faith. 

Neither do scientists.  
> On the other hand, this theory hasn't been successfully refuted, yet!

The theory that there is a China teapot in orbit around the planet Uranus 
hasn't been refuted either!  
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

If what I read of some news articles about old Adolf was that he literally went 
from performing felatio in Vienna parks at night to customers, to supplement 
his income as a starving artist, to commanding the German nation. Thus, yeah, 
one could see where somebody like that could develop delusions of grandeur. For 
his national brethren, its a bit different. All those peeps who dropped 
Christianity didn't get wiser, that got more crazy and mystical. Without Jesus 
to pick up the check for their lives, they went nuts. 

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On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 11:30 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:

> The Nuremberg Laws of 1935 were legal as well. The point is that whether 
> criminal or government, its the physical action that matters. Thus, policy 
> matters and not personality. 

The two things cannot be separated so neatly. Adolf Hitler was a megalomaniac 
and a moral imbecile, if he had been just a man with only average moral 
sensibilities he never would've ordered the Nuremberg laws or anything like 
them.
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RE: What Threshold Threat of CO2

2022-08-24 Thread Philip Benjamin

[Philip Benjamin]
Mundane Paganism: Pan-Gaian-ism, earth centered devotion, natural mindedness, 
natural inclinations, either self-refining or the self-coarsening, 
self-awakening or demoniacal awakening.
Novo Zoe: Transcendent Transformation, New Creation, Alien Regeneration, 
Awakening Consciousness ["Two Great Awakenings"], Adonai YHWH Elohim 
exclusively and Solo Scriptura, Solus Spiritus.
[Philip Benjamin]
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2022 4:23 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2

On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 1:54 PM Philip Benjamin 
mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

> Stalin (Marxism), Hitler (Socialism), Mussolini (Fascism), Mao etc. (all in 
> effect are fascists) never dealt with climate change. They were all PAGANS

For Darwin sake! Pagan pagan pagan, is that really the only word you have to 
describe somebody you don't like? Your vocabulary is double plus ungood, it 
needs to become more better.
John K ClarkSee what's on my new list
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RE: What Threshold Threat of CO2

2022-08-24 Thread Philip Benjamin

Empirical data are reliable, not simulations and GIGO models Philip Benjamin

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dirk Van Niekerk
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 11:46 AM
To: Everything List 
Subject: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2

I did not post any simulations or models, just empirical, observational data.

Dirk
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 9:35:33 AM UTC-7 medinuclear wrote:
[Philip P. Benjamin]
 CO2 was always the goldilocks for planet earth for all recorded history.
The Marxist pagans with un-awakened consciousnesses have convenient (and 
cunning) simulations of GIGO models to destroy the Western civilization and all 
successful civilizations, so that Marxist hooligans can
highjack  them.
Philip P. Benjamin
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Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2

2022-08-24 Thread Dirk Van Niekerk

I did not post any simulations or models, just empirical, observational 
data.  

Dirk

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 9:35:33 AM UTC-7 medinuclear wrote:

> [Philip P. Benjamin]
>
>  CO2 was always the goldilocks for planet earth for all recorded 
> history. 
>
> The Marxist pagans with un-awakened consciousnesses have convenient (and 
> cunning) simulations of GIGO models to destroy the Western civilization and 
> all successful civilizations, so that Marxist hooligans can 
>
> highjack  them.
>
> *Philip P. Benjamin *
>
> *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dirk Van Niekerk
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2022 4:40 PM
> *To:* Everything List 
> *Subject:* Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 1:31:44 PM UTC-7 medinuclear wrote:
>
> [Philip P. Benjamin] 
> No simulations, please! Show the concrete CO2 threshold for threat. 
> Thousands of forest fires (for over 5000 years of records)have much arger 
> than petroleum burning (50 past + 100 future years). 
> Philip P. Benjamin 
>
> For the past 800,000 years the atmospheric levels of CO2 have never been 
> higher than 300 ppm.  As of March 2022 the level is 421 ppm and rising.  
> And all of this started with the advent of the industrial revolution.  Why 
> do you think that is?
>
>  
>
> Dirk .
>

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RE: What Threshold Threat of CO2

2022-08-24 Thread Philip Benjamin

[Philip P. Benjamin]
 CO2 was always the goldilocks for planet earth for all recorded history.
The Marxist pagans with un-awakened consciousnesses have convenient (and 
cunning) simulations of GIGO models to destroy the Western civilization and all 
successful civilizations, so that Marxist hooligans can
highjack  them.
Philip P. Benjamin
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dirk Van Niekerk
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 4:40 PM
To: Everything List 
Subject: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2


On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 1:31:44 PM UTC-7 medinuclear wrote:
[Philip P. Benjamin]
No simulations, please! Show the concrete CO2 threshold for threat. Thousands 
of forest fires (for over 5000 years of records)have much arger than petroleum 
burning (50 past + 100 future years).
Philip P. Benjamin
For the past 800,000 years the atmospheric levels of CO2 have never been higher 
than 300 ppm.  As of March 2022 the level is 421 ppm and rising.  And all of 
this started with the advent of the industrial revolution.  Why do you think 
that is?

Dirk .

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-24 Thread John Clark

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 11:33 PM  wrote:

>  *I don't worship science as a faith. *
>

Neither do scientists.


> *> On the other hand, this theory hasn't been successfully refuted, yet!*
>

The theory that there is a China teapot in orbit around the planet Uranus
hasn't been refuted either!

 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-24 Thread John Clark

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 11:30 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

*> The Nuremberg Laws of 1935 were legal as well. The point is that whether
> criminal or government, its the physical action that matters. Thus, policy
> matters and not personality. *
>

The two things cannot be separated so neatly. Adolf Hitler was a
megalomaniac and a moral imbecile, if he had been just a man with only
average moral sensibilities he never would've ordered the Nuremberg laws or
anything like them.

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-24 Thread Samiya Illias



> On 23-Aug-2022, at 6:17 PM, Samiya Illias  wrote:
> 
> Prophet Muhammed was the Head of State of Medina and the surrounding Muslim 
> areas. 
> He was succeeded by his close companion Abu Bakr Siddiq as the first Caliph 
> of the Muslim State. 
> Umar became the second Caliph after him.  
> Uthman became the third Caliph after Umar.  
> Ali became the fourth Caliph after Uthman.  
> 
> All of the above had great mutual respect for each other, and worked for the 
> greater good. 
> 
> Shias are of the opinion that Ali should have succeeded Prophet Muhammed as 
> the first Caliph, as he was his cousin, and married to his daughter Fatima. 
> 
> The political gap between Sunnis and Shias became ugly when the Prophet’s 
> grandson, Ali and Fatima’s son: Hussain was murdered at Karbala, Iraq. The 
> shias mourn that tragedy to this day. 
> 
> Mostly, Sunnis and Shias live in peace in the same neighbourhoods, sometimes 
> even married to a person from the other sect. 
> 
> Political exploitation and terrorist activities create law and order 
> situations. It’s not the religion to blame, but the political situation and 
> the people who create sectarian hatred and violence. 

https://www.amazon.com/Heirs-Prophet-Muhammad-Barnaby-Rogerson/dp/0316727296 

> 
>> On 23-Aug-2022, at 5:37 PM, John Clark  wrote:
>> 
>> Neither group can explain why their religion even needed a new leader if 
>> back then Mohammed had already revealed everything anybody would need to 
>> know in the Quran.

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

My view, not that my view counts for much, is that once a person hits 16, 
whoever they bed down with is on them. That somebody took advantage of their 
youth stretches credulity if that person is not physically or mentally 
disabled. 15 I could see yeah for immaturity, but  at the point of obtaining a 
drivers license or firearms, for me, the protection stops. Also, in the US, The 
Church has cash and this is an easy target for pissed off choir boys and their 
money enchanted attorneys. 
This often sells to a jury (US) but if the youths are of normal circumstances, 
it is their choice. The same (according to me) is to be extended to incident in 
public schools. Pregnancies notwithstanding. It's my view and I'm sticking with 
it. We have to grow up sometime.

-Original Message-
From: Telmo Menezes 
To: Everything List 
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2022 4:10 am
Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]

> I assure you I have not invented satanism. Oh, if you meant plural
> "you", and me being a member of some group, I do not think I am a
> member of such a group. Groups with which I identify the most are:

I meant "you" the Christians, but I shouldn't have phrased it like that, 
granted.

> - harcerze = Polish scouts. I was very briefly a member. They were
>  always a bit suspicious. But also a bit too good for this. And trust
>  me, if we ever invented satanism, we would have badges for it.
>
> - programmers - I consider myself one, but a really lousy one. Hard to
>  tell, perhaps we did it. But there would have been constant
>  disagreement about which programming platform to use for promotion
>  and miscreant behaviour. Anyway, traces of this should be on github.
>
> - engineers - ok, I have a degree but trust me, you will not want to
>  drive over my bridge and I will never stand under any built by
>  myself. But overally, we engineers are the most probably culprit. A
>  capable engineer, two hundred years ago, would stand up an
>  industrial complex from the grounds up. Some of us are good
>  planners. I tell you what, if you ever acquire evidence it was
>  engineers' plot, than man, you better stop fighting and join us.
>
> - thinkers - well, I am kind of on/off member. Thinkers like theory a
>  lot but we are total and absolute loosers in this world. If you find
>  evidence it was thinkers who did satanism, you will give us a great
>  honor by considering us fight-worthy. They will make a movie about
>  us, thousand against one you, us loosing patheticaly, most of times
>  by very funny accidents with self made weapons.
>
> - antropologists - well, we antopologists are even bigger loosers. And
>  I am just an amateur (never did anything to pursue degree), so an
>  even lousier one. If you find us to be guilty, you can just let us
>  go. We will keep talking about Satan, about connection between
>  country shape on a map and form of Satan venerated in that country,
>  taking notes of each other's talk. Really, if you decide to fight
>  antropologists, people will laugh at you and make jokes of you.

Believe it or not I am also a lousy programmer and had formal education as an 
engineer (even though I have a hard time seeing myself as one) who has done 
some research with anthropologists:

https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-01429067/file/eScholarship%20UC%20item%205p57j1jm.pdf

I always thought that scouts were the best part of Catholicism and I almost 
joined at some point.

>> Satanism is the fucking pure unadulterated narcissistic
>> projection of christian crimes. Fucking children? Priests are the
>> ones doing it by the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. Just in Europe, by the
>> way, no USA needed for this one:
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_in_Europe
>> 
>> And the pope and the cardinals are all still protecting them and
>> conspiring to hide evidence.
>
> Ok, here the jokes end. It is a tragedy that children were being
> abused and it is huge shame for Church. You are very much right. It
> would be a better world, if the people involved could be subject of
> legal proceedings, rather than hiding and hushhushing.
>
> Still, if you are trying to make a case that rapings had anything to
> do with religious duties, I do not think so. They happened while
> priests were performing religious duties, but crimes were not
> integral (required) part of those duties. And I do not think it is
> possible to defend a thesis, that some kind of God veneration was
> linked to child abuse.

Child abuse committed by Catholic priests is so incredibly common that there 
must be something about being a Catholic priest that either attracts people 
prone to these behaviors and/or triggers such behaviors. I suspect that th

Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

Meaning the recent generation of Sein Fein were not Church goers like in 1916 
where it was "Prof v Croppy" as they called it. These were more focused on the 
socialist path, and world revolution, versus say the prod Red hand flying 
commandos. Was more ethnic war then a religious war amongst Christians. 
Meanwhile since the Easter Treaty there's been mostly peace and road bombs and 
kneecappings have all but vanished. With Islam? i read about blasts going on in 
Afghanistan and Pakistan in mosques as a sem-regular thing. The Umah (Islamic 
community) could learn from the West in this thing. 
Peace Out

-Original Message-
From: Telmo Menezes 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2022 1:40 am
Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]

#yiv7056940519 p.yiv7056940519MsoNormal, #yiv7056940519 
p.yiv7056940519MsoNoSpacing{margin:0;}Before prescribing it is good to 
understand, and your understanding of these events (including the IRA comment 
before) seems really shallow to me.

Telmo

Am Mi, 24. Aug 2022, um 07:20, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:

Not all religions are papal in nature organizationally. This is why there was a 
Reformation. Was it any better? Somewhat. The thing now is to decide not simply 
how vile religious are, even in the face of the 20th century murders by the 
irreligious taking the lead, but how to problem solve.  

If problem solving a problem works, then it can become national and 
international policy and policy, not personality is everything. 

-Original Message-
 From: Brent Meeker 
 To: spudboy...@aol.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com 

 Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2022 11:35 pm
 Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]

Isn't religion all about policy...God commands...the Pope interprets.

 Brent

On 8/23/2022 8:30 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:

The Nuremberg Laws of 1935 were legal as well. The point is that whether 
criminal or government, its the physical action that matters. Thus, policy 
matters and not personality. 

-Original Message-
 From: Brent Meeker 
 To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 9:27 pm
 Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]

On 8/22/2022 4:50 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
 > On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 09:31:04AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote:
 >> On 8/22/2022 1:18 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
 >>> In case of Inquisition, I gave you the rule to determine if they were
 >>> doing their abuses for the faith or for themselves. Here is what
 >>> Jewish wikipedia says:
 >>>
 >>> start quote
 >>>
 >>>    FINANCING THE INQUISITION
 >>>
 >>>      [http://www.jewishwikipedia.info/financing.html
 >>>      ]
 >>>
 >>>      It was widely accepted that the Inquisition existed only to rob
 >>>      people, as they openly affirmed (Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition, p
 >>>      150). Both rich and poor knew that it was the rich who were most
 >>>      at risk. The fact that the Inquisition funded itself from the
 > [...]
 >> But it depended on religion and religious belief to function as it did.
 >>
 >> Brent
 > I see. And bank robberies depend on people who keep the road tidy?

 Robbing banks is illegal.  The inquisition was under cover of law. 

Brent

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-23 Thread Telmo Menezes

Before prescribing it is good to understand, and your understanding of these 
events (including the IRA comment before) seems really shallow to me.

Telmo

Am Mi, 24. Aug 2022, um 07:20, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:
> 
> Not all religions are papal in nature organizationally. This is why there was 
> a Reformation. Was it any better? Somewhat. The thing now is to decide not 
> simply how vile religious are, even in the face of the 20th century murders 
> by the irreligious taking the lead, but how to problem solve.  
> 
> If problem solving a problem works, then it can become national and 
> international policy and policy, not personality is everything. 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brent Meeker 
> To: spudboy...@aol.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2022 11:35 pm
> Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
> Threat of CO2]
> 
> 
> Isn't religion all about policy...God commands...the Pope interprets.
> 
> Brent
> 
> 
> On 8/23/2022 8:30 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
>> The Nuremberg Laws of 1935 were legal as well. The point is that whether 
>> criminal or government, its the physical action that matters. Thus, policy 
>> matters and not personality. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Brent Meeker 
>> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 9:27 pm
>> Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
>> Threat of CO2]
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/22/2022 4:50 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
>> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 09:31:04AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote:
>> >> On 8/22/2022 1:18 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
>> >>> In case of Inquisition, I gave you the rule to determine if they were
>> >>> doing their abuses for the faith or for themselves. Here is what
>> >>> Jewish wikipedia says:
>> >>>
>> >>> start quote
>> >>>
>> >>>FINANCING THE INQUISITION
>> >>>
>> >>>  [http://www.jewishwikipedia.info/financing.html
>> >>>  ]
>> >>>
>> >>>  It was widely accepted that the Inquisition existed only to rob
>> >>>  people, as they openly affirmed (Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition, p
>> >>>  150). Both rich and poor knew that it was the rich who were most
>> >>>  at risk. The fact that the Inquisition funded itself from the
>> > [...]
>> >> But it depended on religion and religious belief to function as it did.
>> >>
>> >> Brent
>> > I see. And bank robberies depend on people who keep the road tidy?
>> 
>> Robbing banks is illegal.  The inquisition was under cover of law. 
>> 
>> 
>> Brent
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Not all religions are papal in nature organizationally. This is why there was a 
Reformation. Was it any better? Somewhat. The thing now is to decide not simply 
how vile religious are, even in the face of the 20th century murders by the 
irreligious taking the lead, but how to problem solve. 
If problem solving a problem works, then it can become national and 
international policy and policy, not personality is everything. 

-Original Message-
From: Brent Meeker 
To: spudboy...@aol.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2022 11:35 pm
Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]

 Isn't religion all about policy...God commands...the Pope interprets.
 
 Brent
 
 On 8/23/2022 8:30 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
  
 The Nuremberg Laws of 1935 were legal as well. The point is that whether 
criminal or government, its the physical action that matters. Thus, policy 
matters and not personality. 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Brent Meeker 
 To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 9:27 pm
 Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]
 
 
 
 On 8/22/2022 4:50 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
 > On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 09:31:04AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote:
 >> On 8/22/2022 1:18 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
 >>> In case of Inquisition, I gave you the rule to determine if they were
 >>> doing their abuses for the faith or for themselves. Here is what
 >>> Jewish wikipedia says:
 >>>
 >>> start quote
 >>>
 >>>    FINANCING THE INQUISITION
 >>>
 >>>      [http://www.jewishwikipedia.info/financing.html
 >>>      ]
 >>>
 >>>      It was widely accepted that the Inquisition existed only to rob
 >>>      people, as they openly affirmed (Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition, p
 >>>      150). Both rich and poor knew that it was the rich who were most
 >>>      at risk. The fact that the Inquisition funded itself from the
 > [...]
 >> But it depended on religion and religious belief to function as it did.
 >>
 >> Brent
 > I see. And bank robberies depend on people who keep the road tidy?
 
 Robbing banks is illegal.  The inquisition was under cover of law. 
 
 Brent
 
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Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2

Here's an article you may 
like?https://interestingengineering.com/science/marine-heatwave-sea-temperaturesmediterranean
So the effects are factual, the impact (predictions) less certain. It can't be 
good for us unless you are expecting a new mini ice age? The Russians are still 
big with this. Then CO2 and methane are our friend. Also soot. The Chinese 
measure soot as well and they may be correct?

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From: Philip Benjamin 
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Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2022 4:31 pm
Subject: RE: What Threshold Threat of CO2

[Philip P. Benjamin]
    No simulations, please! Show the concrete CO2 threshold for threat. 
Thousands of forest fires (for over 5000 years of records)have much arger than 
petroleum burning (50 past + 100 future years).
Philip P. Benjamin

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Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2022 6:26 PM
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https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/   
"Climate physicists at the California Institute of Technology performed a 
state-of-the-art simulation of stratocumulus clouds, the low-lying, blankety 
kind that have by far the largest cooling effect on the planet. 
The simulation revealed a tipping point: a level of warming at which 
stratocumulus clouds break up altogether. The disappearance occurs when the 
concentration of CO2 in the simulated atmosphere reaches 1,200 parts per 
million - a level that fossil fuel burning could push us past in about a 
century, under "business-as-usual" emissions scenarios. In the simulation, when 
the tipping point is breached, Earth's temperature soars 8 degrees Celsius, in 
addition to the 4 degrees of warming or more caused by the CO2 directly.

Once clouds go away, the simulated climate "goes over a cliff," said Kerry 
Emanuel, a climate scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. A 
leading authority on atmospheric physics, Emanuel called the new findings "very 
plausible," though, as he noted, scientists must now make an effort to 
independently replicate the work.

To imagine 12 degrees of warming, think of crocodiles swimming in the Arctic 
and of the scorched, mostly lifeless equatorial regions during the PETM. If 
carbon emissions aren't curbed quickly enough and the tipping point is 
breached, "that would be truly devastating climate change," said Caltech's 
Tapio Schneider, who performed the new simulation with Colleen Kaul and Kyle 
Pressel.

Huber said the stratocumulus tipping point helps explain the volatility that's 
evident in the paleoclimate record. He thinks it might be one of many unknown 
instabilities in Earth's climate. "Schneider and co-authors have cracked open 
Pandora's box of potential climate surprises," he said, adding that, as the 
mechanisms behind vanishing clouds become clear, "all of a sudden this enormous 
sensitivity that is apparent from past climates isn't something that's just in 
the past. It becomes a vision of the future.""

Saibal

On 18-08-2022 16:42, Philip Benjamin wrote:
> WHAT THRESHOLD THREAT OF CO2 FROM CLIMATE CHANGE?
> 
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/   
  effects (sunspots, solar storms etc.)
> etc. will certainly affect the wind systems of the globe. That has
> nothing to do with CO2 quantities!! The pseudoscience of climatology
> (not meteorology) which is now an integral part of a worldwide pagan
> religion, contrary to the  Augustinian 'awakened' consciousness.
> ( 
>    An estimated 1,050 wildfires worldwide produced global CO2
> emissions of 76 billion tons in 2021. That is on the average ~ 3
> forest  fires each day, producing ~ 78 billion tons of CO2/day. The
> petroleum burning per year is 5.1/ 150 =  ~  1/30 = ~ 0.03 trillion
> tons of CO2 = 3 x 10^-2 x10^12 = ~ 30 billion tons of CO2/year. Which
> is a threat?  What is the threshold of CO2 doom?
> 
>        https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/     
> [1]. The climatic SNOW LINE is about 15,000 ft above sea level at the
> equator and 19,000 ft in the Himalayas. It is progressively lower as
> the latitude increases, to just below 9,800 ft in the Alps. The
> reduced volume of melting of _glaciers & icebergs (about 90% below the
> water surface) can only lower the sea level.  The melting of_ mountain
> ice alone cannot dangerously raise the sea level; for those very
> powerful forces (not by CO2 !!) will be required to bring up the
> humongous subterranean water beds.
> 
>        Destroy the petroleum industries, then even the battery
> industry will be destroyed because some of the 6000 byproducts of
> petroleum are indispensable for battery production also. Industries
> cannot keep an oil refinery open just for batteries! Automobile
> battery a

Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

Still even the Christians (cross worshippers?) after the Protestant Reformation 
were able to cut truces (hudna's) and stop the fighting. Your internal battles 
seem too long lived. Even the Protestants and Catholics in Ireland stopped 
killing each other. Having said that the IRA were very lapsed catholics, 
indeed! 

-Original Message-
From: Samiya Illias 
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Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2022 9:17 am
Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]

Prophet Muhammed was the Head of State of Medina and the surrounding Muslim 
areas. 
He was succeeded by his close companion Abu Bakr Siddiq as the first Caliph of 
the Muslim State. 
Umar became the second Caliph after him.  
Uthman became the third Caliph after Umar.  
Ali became the fourth Caliph after Uthman.  

All of the above had great mutual respect for each other, and worked for the 
greater good. 

Shias are of the opinion that Ali should have succeeded Prophet Muhammed as the 
first Caliph, as he was his cousin, and married to his daughter Fatima. 

The political gap between Sunnis and Shias became ugly when the Prophet’s 
grandson, Ali and Fatima’s son: Hussain was murdered at Karbala, Iraq. The 
shias mourn that tragedy to this day. 

Mostly, Sunnis and Shias live in peace in the same neighbourhoods, sometimes 
even married to a person from the other sect. 

Political exploitation and terrorist activities create law and order 
situations. It’s not the religion to blame, but the political situation and the 
people who create sectarian hatred and violence. 

> On 23-Aug-2022, at 5:37 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> Neither group can explain why their religion even needed a new leader if back 
> then Mohammed had already revealed everything anybody would need to know in 
> the Quran.

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-23 Thread Brent Meeker


Isn't religion all about policy...God commands...the Pope interprets.

Brent

On 8/23/2022 8:30 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
The Nuremberg Laws of 1935 were legal as well. The point is that 
whether criminal or government, its the physical action that matters. 
Thus, policy matters and not personality.



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Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What 
Threshold Threat of CO2]




On 8/22/2022 4:50 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 09:31:04AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote:
>> On 8/22/2022 1:18 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
>>> In case of Inquisition, I gave you the rule to determine if they were
>>> doing their abuses for the faith or for themselves. Here is what
>>> Jewish wikipedia says:
>>>
>>> start quote
>>>
>>>    FINANCING THE INQUISITION
>>>
>>>      [http://www.jewishwikipedia.info/financing.html
>>>      ]
>>>
>>>      It was widely accepted that the Inquisition existed only to rob
>>>      people, as they openly affirmed (Kamen, The Spanish 
Inquisition, p

>>>      150). Both rich and poor knew that it was the rich who were most
>>>      at risk. The fact that the Inquisition funded itself from the
> [...]
>> But it depended on religion and religious belief to function as it did.
>>
>> Brent
> I see. And bank robberies depend on people who keep the road tidy?

Robbing banks is illegal.  The inquisition was under cover of law.


Brent

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

I think and maybe hope. But I don't worship science as a faith. On the other 
hand, this theory hasn't been successfully refuted, yet!
I await the refutation with folded hands. 
https://www.livescience.com/can-the-universe-learn-evolve.html#:~:text=In%20order%20to%20have%20a%20universe%20that%20evolves%2C,of%20reaching%20a%20more%20stable%20energy%20state.%20.



-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
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meekerbr...@gmail.com 
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2022 8:36 am
Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:32 PM  wrote:


> So, should we discard history because somebody is long dead?
 Yes except for academic purposes, and we certainly shouldn't start murdering 
each other over it. The Sunni-Shia conflict exists because some Muslims think 
that when Muhammad died in 632 and didn't have a male heir the new leader of 
the religion should have been Muhammad's closest male relative his cousin and 
son-in-law Ali (a female leader was unthinkable) ; but others think the new 
leader should have been picked by those who were elite members of the Islamic 
community at the time. One group is the Shia and the other is the Sunni, I 
forget which is which because I tend not to remember useless information. 
Neither group can explain why their religion even needed a new leader if back 
then Mohammed had already revealed everything anybody would need to know in the 
Quran. And nobody can explain why this incident remains relevant today and is 
worth killing somebody who happens to have an opinion that is opposite to the 
one you have about an occurrence in ancient history. I think the entire thing 
is completely nuts since whoever the rightful heir to Muhammad was has been 
dead for over 1300 years.


>Religion was an attempt to fix problems and control people, and explain the 
>world to people who didn't have the energy because they were too busy farming 
>or ranching.

And religion works fine at providing explanations provided you don't mind 
explanations that are worse than wrong, explanations that are more convoluted 
than the thing they're trying to explain and thus are flat out ridiculous.  

>maybe because of scientific knowledge we may do better.

You think?
John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

The Nuremberg Laws of 1935 were legal as well. The point is that whether 
criminal or government, its the physical action that matters. Thus, policy 
matters and not personality. 


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Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 9:27 pm
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Threat of CO2]



On 8/22/2022 4:50 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 09:31:04AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote:
>> On 8/22/2022 1:18 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
>>> In case of Inquisition, I gave you the rule to determine if they were
>>> doing their abuses for the faith or for themselves. Here is what
>>> Jewish wikipedia says:
>>>
>>> start quote
>>>
>>>    FINANCING THE INQUISITION
>>>
>>>      [http://www.jewishwikipedia.info/financing.html
>>>      ]
>>>
>>>      It was widely accepted that the Inquisition existed only to rob
>>>      people, as they openly affirmed (Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition, p
>>>      150). Both rich and poor knew that it was the rich who were most
>>>      at risk. The fact that the Inquisition funded itself from the
> [...]
>> But it depended on religion and religious belief to function as it did.
>>
>> Brent
> I see. And bank robberies depend on people who keep the road tidy?

Robbing banks is illegal.  The inquisition was under cover of law.

Brent

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Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2

2022-08-23 Thread Dirk Van Niekerk

And this is not simulation, it is directly collected observational data.

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 2:40:08 PM UTC-7 Dirk Van Niekerk wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 1:31:44 PM UTC-7 medinuclear wrote:
>
>> [Philip P. Benjamin] 
>> No simulations, please! Show the concrete CO2 threshold for threat. 
>> Thousands of forest fires (for over 5000 years of records)have much arger 
>> than petroleum burning (50 past + 100 future years). 
>> Philip P. Benjamin 
>>
>> For the past 800,000 years the atmospheric levels of CO2 have never been 
> higher than 300 ppm.  As of March 2022 the level is 421 ppm and rising.  
> And all of this started with the advent of the industrial revolution.  Why 
> do you think that is?
>
> Dirk 
>

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Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2

2022-08-23 Thread Dirk Van Niekerk



On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 1:31:44 PM UTC-7 medinuclear wrote:

> [Philip P. Benjamin] 
> No simulations, please! Show the concrete CO2 threshold for threat. 
> Thousands of forest fires (for over 5000 years of records)have much arger 
> than petroleum burning (50 past + 100 future years). 
> Philip P. Benjamin 
>
> For the past 800,000 years the atmospheric levels of CO2 have never been 
higher than 300 ppm.  As of March 2022 the level is 421 ppm and rising.  
And all of this started with the advent of the industrial revolution.  Why 
do you think that is?

Dirk 

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RE: What Threshold Threat of CO2

2022-08-23 Thread Philip Benjamin

[Philip P. Benjamin]
No simulations, please! Show the concrete CO2 threshold for threat. 
Thousands of forest fires (for over 5000 years of records)have much arger than 
petroleum burning (50 past + 100 future years).
Philip P. Benjamin

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https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/
"Climate physicists at the California Institute of Technology performed a 
state-of-the-art simulation of stratocumulus clouds, the low-lying, blankety 
kind that have by far the largest cooling effect on the planet. 
The simulation revealed a tipping point: a level of warming at which 
stratocumulus clouds break up altogether. The disappearance occurs when the 
concentration of CO2 in the simulated atmosphere reaches 1,200 parts per 
million - a level that fossil fuel burning could push us past in about a 
century, under "business-as-usual" emissions scenarios. In the simulation, when 
the tipping point is breached, Earth's temperature soars 8 degrees Celsius, in 
addition to the 4 degrees of warming or more caused by the CO2 directly.

Once clouds go away, the simulated climate "goes over a cliff," said Kerry 
Emanuel, a climate scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. A 
leading authority on atmospheric physics, Emanuel called the new findings "very 
plausible," though, as he noted, scientists must now make an effort to 
independently replicate the work.

To imagine 12 degrees of warming, think of crocodiles swimming in the Arctic 
and of the scorched, mostly lifeless equatorial regions during the PETM. If 
carbon emissions aren't curbed quickly enough and the tipping point is 
breached, "that would be truly devastating climate change," said Caltech's 
Tapio Schneider, who performed the new simulation with Colleen Kaul and Kyle 
Pressel.

Huber said the stratocumulus tipping point helps explain the volatility that's 
evident in the paleoclimate record. He thinks it might be one of many unknown 
instabilities in Earth's climate. "Schneider and co-authors have cracked open 
Pandora's box of potential climate surprises," he said, adding that, as the 
mechanisms behind vanishing clouds become clear, "all of a sudden this enormous 
sensitivity that is apparent from past climates isn't something that's just in 
the past. It becomes a vision of the future.""

Saibal

On 18-08-2022 16:42, Philip Benjamin wrote:
> WHAT THRESHOLD THREAT OF CO2 FROM CLIMATE CHANGE?
> 
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/   
  effects (sunspots, solar storms etc.)
> etc. will certainly affect the wind systems of the globe. That has
> nothing to do with CO2 quantities!! The pseudoscience of climatology
> (not meteorology) which is now an integral part of a worldwide pagan
> religion, contrary to the  Augustinian 'awakened' consciousness.
> ( 
> An estimated 1,050 wildfires worldwide produced global CO2
> emissions of 76 billion tons in 2021. That is on the average ~ 3
> forest  fires each day, producing ~ 78 billion tons of CO2/day. The
> petroleum burning per year is 5.1/ 150 =  ~  1/30 = ~ 0.03 trillion
> tons of CO2 = 3 x 10^-2 x10^12 = ~ 30 billion tons of CO2/year. Which
> is a threat?   What is the threshold of CO2 doom?
> 
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/ 
> [1]. The climatic SNOW LINE is about 15,000 ft above sea level at the
> equator and 19,000 ft in the Himalayas. It is progressively lower as
> the latitude increases, to just below 9,800 ft in the Alps. The
> reduced volume of melting of _glaciers & icebergs (about 90% below the
> water surface) can only lower the sea level.  The melting of_ mountain
> ice alone cannot dangerously raise the sea level; for those very
> powerful forces (not by CO2 !!) will be required to bring up the
> humongous subterranean water beds.
> 
>Destroy the petroleum industries, then even the battery
> industry will be destroyed because some of the 6000 byproducts of
> petroleum are indispensable for battery production also. Industries
> cannot keep an oil refinery open just for batteries! Automobile
> battery alone may then cost prohibitively high.
> 
> Philip Benjamin 

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-23 Thread Samiya Illias


Holy Quran 3:33
--
۞ إِنَّ اللَّهَ اصْطَفَىٰ آدَمَ وَنُوحًا وَآلَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَآلَ عِمْرَانَ 
عَلَى الْعَالَمِينَ

Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 
'Imran over the worlds - 

Holy Quran 3:34
--
ذُرِّيَّةً بَعْضُهَا مِن بَعْضٍ ۗ وَاللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ

Descendants, some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. 



Holy Quran 32:23
--
وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَا مُوسَى الْكِتَابَ فَلَا تَكُن فِي مِرْيَةٍ مِّن لِّقَائِهِ ۖ 
وَجَعَلْنَاهُ هُدًى لِّبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ

And We certainly gave Moses the Scripture, so do not be in doubt over his 
meeting. And we made the Torah guidance for the Children of Israel. 

Holy Quran 32:24
--
وَجَعَلْنَا مِنْهُمْ أَئِمَّةً يَهْدُونَ بِأَمْرِنَا لَمَّا صَبَرُوا ۖ 
وَكَانُوا بِآيَاتِنَا يُوقِنُونَ

And We made from among them leaders guiding by Our command when they were 
patient and [when] they were certain of Our signs. 



Holy Quran 33:40
--
مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَٰكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ 
وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ ۗ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا

Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger 
of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing. 




> On 23-Aug-2022, at 7:16 PM, Henrik Ohrstrom  wrote:
> 
> 
> Why would the position as religious leader be inherited?
> What does the quran say about that?
> /Henrik 
> 
> Den tis 23 aug. 2022 15:17Samiya Illias  skrev:
>> Prophet Muhammed was the Head of State of Medina and the surrounding Muslim 
>> areas. 
>> He was succeeded by his close companion Abu Bakr Siddiq as the first Caliph 
>> of the Muslim State. 
>> Umar became the second Caliph after him.  
>> Uthman became the third Caliph after Umar.  
>> Ali became the fourth Caliph after Uthman.  
>> 
>> All of the above had great mutual respect for each other, and worked for the 
>> greater good. 
>> 
>> Shias are of the opinion that Ali should have succeeded Prophet Muhammed as 
>> the first Caliph, as he was his cousin, and married to his daughter Fatima. 
>> 
>> The political gap between Sunnis and Shias became ugly when the Prophet’s 
>> grandson, Ali and Fatima’s son: Hussain was murdered at Karbala, Iraq. The 
>> shias mourn that tragedy to this day. 
>> 
>> Mostly, Sunnis and Shias live in peace in the same neighbourhoods, sometimes 
>> even married to a person from the other sect. 
>> 
>> Political exploitation and terrorist activities create law and order 
>> situations. It’s not the religion to blame, but the political situation and 
>> the people who create sectarian hatred and violence. 
>> 
>> > On 23-Aug-2022, at 5:37 PM, John Clark  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Neither group can explain why their religion even needed a new leader if 
>> > back then Mohammed had already revealed everything anybody would need to 
>> > know in the Quran.
>> 
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-23 Thread Henrik Ohrstrom

Why would the position as religious leader be inherited?
What does the quran say about that?
/Henrik

Den tis 23 aug. 2022 15:17Samiya Illias  skrev:

> Prophet Muhammed was the Head of State of Medina and the surrounding
> Muslim areas.
> He was succeeded by his close companion Abu Bakr Siddiq as the first
> Caliph of the Muslim State.
> Umar became the second Caliph after him.
> Uthman became the third Caliph after Umar.
> Ali became the fourth Caliph after Uthman.
>
> All of the above had great mutual respect for each other, and worked for
> the greater good.
>
> Shias are of the opinion that Ali should have succeeded Prophet Muhammed
> as the first Caliph, as he was his cousin, and married to his daughter
> Fatima.
>
> The political gap between Sunnis and Shias became ugly when the Prophet’s
> grandson, Ali and Fatima’s son: Hussain was murdered at Karbala, Iraq. The
> shias mourn that tragedy to this day.
>
> Mostly, Sunnis and Shias live in peace in the same neighbourhoods,
> sometimes even married to a person from the other sect.
>
> Political exploitation and terrorist activities create law and order
> situations. It’s not the religion to blame, but the political situation and
> the people who create sectarian hatred and violence.
>
> > On 23-Aug-2022, at 5:37 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> >
> > Neither group can explain why their religion even needed a new leader if
> back then Mohammed had already revealed everything anybody would need to
> know in the Quran.
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-23 Thread Samiya Illias

Prophet Muhammed was the Head of State of Medina and the surrounding Muslim 
areas. 
He was succeeded by his close companion Abu Bakr Siddiq as the first Caliph of 
the Muslim State. 
Umar became the second Caliph after him.  
Uthman became the third Caliph after Umar.  
Ali became the fourth Caliph after Uthman.  

All of the above had great mutual respect for each other, and worked for the 
greater good. 

Shias are of the opinion that Ali should have succeeded Prophet Muhammed as the 
first Caliph, as he was his cousin, and married to his daughter Fatima. 

The political gap between Sunnis and Shias became ugly when the Prophet’s 
grandson, Ali and Fatima’s son: Hussain was murdered at Karbala, Iraq. The 
shias mourn that tragedy to this day. 

Mostly, Sunnis and Shias live in peace in the same neighbourhoods, sometimes 
even married to a person from the other sect. 

Political exploitation and terrorist activities create law and order 
situations. It’s not the religion to blame, but the political situation and the 
people who create sectarian hatred and violence. 

> On 23-Aug-2022, at 5:37 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> Neither group can explain why their religion even needed a new leader if back 
> then Mohammed had already revealed everything anybody would need to know in 
> the Quran.

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-23 Thread John Clark

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:32 PM  wrote:

*> So, should we discard history because somebody is long dead?*
>

Yes except for academic purposes, and we certainly shouldn't start
murdering each other over it. The Sunni-Shia conflict exists because some
Muslims think that when Muhammad died in 632 and didn't have a male heir
the new leader of the religion should have been Muhammad's closest male
relative his cousin and son-in-law Ali (a female leader was unthinkable) ;
but others think the new leader should have been picked by those who were
elite members of the Islamic community at the time. One group is the Shia
and the other is the Sunni, I forget which is which because I tend not to
remember useless information. Neither group can explain why their religion
even needed a new leader if back then Mohammed had already revealed
everything anybody would need to know in the Quran. And nobody can explain
why this incident remains relevant today and is worth killing somebody who
happens to have an opinion that is opposite to the one you have about an
occurrence in ancient history. I think the entire thing is completely nuts
since whoever the rightful heir to Muhammad was has been dead for over 1300
years.

*>Religion was an attempt to fix problems and control people, and explain
> the world to people who didn't have the energy because they were too busy
> farming or ranching.*
>

And religion works fine at providing explanations provided you don't mind
explanations that are worse than wrong, explanations that are more
convoluted than the thing they're trying to explain and thus are flat out
ridiculous.

*>maybe because of scientific knowledge we may do better.*
>

You think?

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-23 Thread Telmo Menezes

> I assure you I have not invented satanism. Oh, if you meant plural
> "you", and me being a member of some group, I do not think I am a
> member of such a group. Groups with which I identify the most are:

I meant "you" the Christians, but I shouldn't have phrased it like that, 
granted.

> - harcerze = Polish scouts. I was very briefly a member. They were
>   always a bit suspicious. But also a bit too good for this. And trust
>   me, if we ever invented satanism, we would have badges for it.
>
> - programmers - I consider myself one, but a really lousy one. Hard to
>   tell, perhaps we did it. But there would have been constant
>   disagreement about which programming platform to use for promotion
>   and miscreant behaviour. Anyway, traces of this should be on github.
>
> - engineers - ok, I have a degree but trust me, you will not want to
>   drive over my bridge and I will never stand under any built by
>   myself. But overally, we engineers are the most probably culprit. A
>   capable engineer, two hundred years ago, would stand up an
>   industrial complex from the grounds up. Some of us are good
>   planners. I tell you what, if you ever acquire evidence it was
>   engineers' plot, than man, you better stop fighting and join us.
>
> - thinkers - well, I am kind of on/off member. Thinkers like theory a
>   lot but we are total and absolute loosers in this world. If you find
>   evidence it was thinkers who did satanism, you will give us a great
>   honor by considering us fight-worthy. They will make a movie about
>   us, thousand against one you, us loosing patheticaly, most of times
>   by very funny accidents with self made weapons.
>
> - antropologists - well, we antopologists are even bigger loosers. And
>   I am just an amateur (never did anything to pursue degree), so an
>   even lousier one. If you find us to be guilty, you can just let us
>   go. We will keep talking about Satan, about connection between
>   country shape on a map and form of Satan venerated in that country,
>   taking notes of each other's talk. Really, if you decide to fight
>   antropologists, people will laugh at you and make jokes of you.

Believe it or not I am also a lousy programmer and had formal education as an 
engineer (even though I have a hard time seeing myself as one) who has done 
some research with anthropologists:

https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-01429067/file/eScholarship%20UC%20item%205p57j1jm.pdf

I always thought that scouts were the best part of Catholicism and I almost 
joined at some point.

>> Satanism is the fucking pure unadulterated narcissistic
>> projection of christian crimes. Fucking children? Priests are the
>> ones doing it by the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. Just in Europe, by the
>> way, no USA needed for this one:
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_in_Europe
>> 
>> And the pope and the cardinals are all still protecting them and
>> conspiring to hide evidence.
>
> Ok, here the jokes end. It is a tragedy that children were being
> abused and it is huge shame for Church. You are very much right. It
> would be a better world, if the people involved could be subject of
> legal proceedings, rather than hiding and hushhushing.
>
> Still, if you are trying to make a case that rapings had anything to
> do with religious duties, I do not think so. They happened while
> priests were performing religious duties, but crimes were not
> integral (required) part of those duties. And I do not think it is
> possible to defend a thesis, that some kind of God veneration was
> linked to child abuse.

Child abuse committed by Catholic priests is so incredibly common that there 
must be something about being a Catholic priest that either attracts people 
prone to these behaviors and/or triggers such behaviors. I suspect that there 
are three things that play a huge role:

(1) The vow of celibacy
(2) The association of normal sexual desires with guilt from a young age
(3) The exclusion of women from priesthood

All of these are catholic dogmas, and they produce a certain outcome, and the 
Catholics refuse to face this.

> For the purpose of this thread, I devised a very simple test. A crime
> usually yields some positive value for perpetrators. If the whole of
> the value had been transferred to their superiors, the church, some
> kind of entity like this, than of course the crime was being done for
> religious purpose... or at least there is a strong case to say so. So,
> in simper worlds, if perps were doing it all for free, without
> personal gains.

The hiding of the crimes and their scale by the Catholic hierarchy was done 
very much for personal gain, to preserve the (immense) power and wealth of the 
Vatican.

> In this case (child abuse), perps achieved sexual pleasure (I guess),
> which by its very nature could not be transferred. So there is a
> strong basis to say that they were satiating their instincts, rather
> than doing it for their faith.
>
>> How

Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-22 Thread Brent Meeker





On 8/22/2022 4:50 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote:

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 09:31:04AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote:

On 8/22/2022 1:18 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote:

In case of Inquisition, I gave you the rule to determine if they were
doing their abuses for the faith or for themselves. Here is what
Jewish wikipedia says:

start quote

FINANCING THE INQUISITION

 [http://www.jewishwikipedia.info/financing.html
 ]

 It was widely accepted that the Inquisition existed only to rob
 people, as they openly affirmed (Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition, p
 150). Both rich and poor knew that it was the rich who were most
 at risk. The fact that the Inquisition funded itself from the

[...]

But it depended on religion and religious belief to function as it did.

Brent

I see. And bank robberies depend on people who keep the road tidy?


Robbing banks is illegal.  The inquisition was under cover of law.

Brent

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

So, should we discard history because somebody is long dead? Religion was an 
attempt to fix problems and control people, and explain the world to people who 
didn't have the energy because they were too busy farming or ranching. So maybe 
because of scientific knowledge we may do better. I mean the socialists who 
wanted communism sure didn't do us any good! You having a chip on your shoulder 
about religion is not a great counter-example to set either. 
Meanwhile, if you want to bitch, bitch about something that's happening 
today?Christian groups step up harassment of pagan festivals (msn.com)

They must be Phillip's Phlock?Amen.  

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On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 4:18 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:

> Religion didn't do a damn thing really to improve the human condition, say in 
>Europe. It did seem to as a practice stop formal human sacrifice,

And why did religion start in the first place? Because of religion.  

 > and eventually eliminate slavery and replaced it with serfdom,
 About the only religious sect that can claim credit for that are the Quakers, 
for nearly all the others slavery was just fine, it was a widespread practice 
for thousands of years but neither the old nor the New Testament says a word 
against it, and the Quran doesn't condemn slavery either although like the 
Bible it does condemn one hell of a lot of other things, and most of them were 
completely harmless.

 > who is the rightful heir to Muhammad? 

Who gives a shit, the man has been dead for 1500 years.  
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-22 Thread Tomasz Rola

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 09:31:04AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote:
> On 8/22/2022 1:18 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
> >In case of Inquisition, I gave you the rule to determine if they were
> >doing their abuses for the faith or for themselves. Here is what
> >Jewish wikipedia says:
> >
> >start quote
> >
> >FINANCING THE INQUISITION
> >
> > [http://www.jewishwikipedia.info/financing.html
> > ]
> >
> > It was widely accepted that the Inquisition existed only to rob
> > people, as they openly affirmed (Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition, p
> > 150). Both rich and poor knew that it was the rich who were most
> > at risk. The fact that the Inquisition funded itself from the
[...]
> But it depended on religion and religious belief to function as it did.
> 
> Brent

I see. And bank robberies depend on people who keep the road tidy?

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-22 Thread Tomasz Rola

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 11:58:36AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote:
> 
> 
> On 8/21/2022 4:00 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
> >On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 4:12:50 PM UTC-5 Tomasz Rola wrote:
> >
> >On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 04:20:51PM -0700, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
[...]
> >> LC
> >
> >Perhaps you can explain how come Christians were going along with
> >Adolf when he sent them in droves (milions, literally) to
> >concentration camps?
> >
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_Martyrs_of_World_War_II
> >
[...]
> 
> 108 is hardly droves.  It was Jews who were sent to death camps by
> the millions...while most Christians, both clergy and laity, looked
> the other way or even approved.  Hitler rose to power blaming Jews
> and Communists for everything and appealing to Christian hatred of
> Jews that went back at least to Luther.

Oh. I expected that those who do not know would start from the link I
gave and dig further. Sorry for that.

 [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims
 ]

Depending on which value estimates one considers (upper-lower), Jews
make ~30-35 percent of all Holocaust victims.

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 4:18 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
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*> Religion didn't do a damn thing really to improve the human condition,
> say in Europe. It did seem to as a practice stop formal human sacrifice,*

And why did religion start in the first place? Because of religion.

 > a*nd eventually eliminate slavery and replaced it with serfdom,*
>

About the only religious sect that can claim credit for that are the
Quakers, for nearly all the others slavery was just fine, it was a
widespread practice for thousands of years but neither the old nor the New
Testament says a word against it, and the Quran doesn't condemn slavery
either although like the Bible it does condemn one hell of a lot of other
things, and most of them were completely harmless.

>
 > *who is the rightful heir to Muhammad? *

Who gives a shit, the man has been dead for 1500 years.

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

I had read that he did for 5 years and was not in Pakistan until recently, 
(2006)  which caused Obama to act. Is it true? This is what I wish to know. Did 
Bush cut the dude loose, or is it rumor, disinformation, (divide and conquer) 
or could it be accurate? It's simply a question!
Questions arise when one either gets new info and is willing to compare and 
contrast and not simply be weird about this when somebody does this. The phrase 
Whataboudism," is simply a means for progressives to control other 
progressives, so that questions never arise to disrupt the ideology. I can't be 
shamed or controlled in this fashion, nor can the non-progressives that live on 
this continent. 
Works on proggies like magic, not on the rest. Insights can come from gathering 
data, measuring it in units if this is possible, (science), and then come up 
with hypotheses, then theories. Compare & contrast. What about that?

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 You can't even get your questions straight while you pretend to have profound 
insight into Stalinism, Fascism, Progressism, etc.  Bin Laden never went to 
Iran.  He was from Saudi Arabia and went to Afghanistan and the Pakistan.

 Brent

 On 8/22/2022 5:38 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

Bushie 43, like Adolf, Like Joey (free stuff!) knew how to throw a sales pitch. 
My question is, does anyone know or believe (evidence please) that Bush allowed 
Bin Laden to escape to Iran (blink-blink)? 

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 On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 2:56 PM Tomasz Rola  wrote:

> crimes are not being done to satiate religious feelings (except, perhaps, 
> satanism) - "normal" human beings
 do crimes to satiate their basic instincts

  What evidence do you have that the above statement is true? I don't think you 
have any, but it's very easy to find evidence that Osama bin Laden did what he 
did for religious reasons, all you need to do is look at just about anything he 
ever said or wrote in his life. Even George W. Bush said he ordered the 
invasion of Iraq because an invisible man in the sky told him to. I can't think 
of a reason I should disregard all that and not take what they said at face 
value, but I think both men would've been far less dangerous if they didn't 
really mean what they said, but unfortunately they did. Both were sincere but 
sincerity is a vastly overrated virtue. 

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

True. Religion didn't do a damn thing really to improve the human condition, 
say in Europe. It did seem to as a practice stop formal human sacrifice, and 
eventually eliminate slavery and replaced it with serfdom, where farmers were 
tied to the land, and obliged to work the lord's lands, turn over a portion or 
crops to the master, and do repair work on the monor & churches. I'd say this 
was better than the Roman Latifundia which was all slavery and family could be 
sold, etc. 
This was called Feudal times and the serfs suffered when noble went against 
noble and the body count of the serfs went up. Not very Christian of them. In 
Islam, it was constant fighting and they struggle between Sunni and Shia goes 
on (on and on) to this day, upon who is the rightful heir to Muhammad? 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-16047709
My thinking is that before the Crusades, Islam was a bit different, wherein the 
afterlife as the primary reward was emphasized even more than before, because 
if one is young and dies in battle against the Kuffar, the big compensation 
was/is sex. Because if one is going to die, one requires compensation. 
So what now? We are having technologies like 3D printing that promise to 
eliminate want, if we get good at it? We have the idea of producing goods from 
renewables,  like algae and mushrooms and yes, hemp. Vertical farms, solar, 
whatever else we can cook up. 
What about ethical behavior? Moral, being tied to a supernatural theme, and 
ethical being tied to being fair. A bigger view of the universe is part of the 
deal and the more we advance, the more of the human world expands. Maybe we 
kill over land and power because earth is all we have? He is a stone that 
knocks down 2 existential problems, although it is very far off!
This is very far away, but is within physics as it is understood. 
https://interestingengineering.com/science/scientists-claim-space-megastructures-could-resurrect-the-dead

Hey, it was in Popular Mechanics, it's got to be true! Beyond this is the 
notion of Dyson Spheres around red dwarf stars nearby, which according to 
astrophysicists will last some 2- 10 trillion years. Halfway to the Omega Point 
or Big Rip or..?
For some reason I envision our descendents, flesh, mechanical, or quantum, as 
hunkering down among the red dwarfs on Dyson Spheres, relaxing and waiting out 
"End O' Days," enjoying things.

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But it depended on religion and religious belief to function as it did.

Brent

On 8/22/2022 1:18 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
> In case of Inquisition, I gave you the rule to determine if they were
> doing their abuses for the faith or for themselves. Here is what
> Jewish wikipedia says:
>
> start quote
>
>    FINANCING THE INQUISITION
>
>      [http://www.jewishwikipedia.info/financing.html
>      ]
>
>      It was widely accepted that the Inquisition existed only to rob
>      people, as they openly affirmed (Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition, p
>      150). Both rich and poor knew that it was the rich who were most
>      at risk. The fact that the Inquisition funded itself from the
>      property it confiscated meant that it burned people on
>      commission. Individual inquisitors also funded themselves,
>      acquiring great wealth during their careers. Some inquisitors were
>      known to have fabricated evidence in order to extort money from
>      their victims, but even when discovered they received no
>      punishment. Similarly their staff of helpers, called familiars,
>      were free to commit crimes without fear of punishment by the
>      secular courts. After 1518 this was formalised. Familiars enjoyed
>      immunity from prosecution similar to benefit of clergy or modern
>      diplomatic immunity. This provided another cause of popular
>      scandal, along with their exemption from taxation .
>
> end quote
>
> So, seems to me, the Holy Inquisition was more like private
> enterprise, and great career for those who accused.

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-22 Thread Brent Meeker

You can't even get your questions straight while you pretend to have 
profound insight into Stalinism, Fascism, Progressism, etc.  Bin Laden 
never went to Iran.  He was from Saudi Arabia and went to Afghanistan 
and the Pakistan.


Brent

On 8/22/2022 5:38 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Bushie 43, like Adolf, Like Joey (free stuff!) knew how to throw a 
sales pitch. My question is, does anyone know or believe (evidence 
please) that Bush allowed Bin Laden to escape to Iran (blink-blink)?







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On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 2:56 PM Tomasz Rola  wrote:

/> crimes are not being done to satiatereligious feelings (except,
perhaps, satanism) - "normal" human beings
do crimes to satiate their basic instincts/


What evidence do you have that the above statement is true? I don't 
think you have any, but it's very easy to find evidence that Osama bin 
Laden did what he did for religious reasons, all you need to do is 
look at just about anything he ever said or wrote in his life. Even 
George W. Bush said he ordered the invasion of Iraq because an 
invisible man in the sky told him to. I can't think of a reason I 
should disregard all that and not take what they said at face value, 
but I think both men would've been far less dangerous if they didn't 
really mean what they said, but unfortunately they did.Both were 
sincere but sincerity is a vastly overrated virtue.


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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-22 Thread Brent Meeker


But it depended on religion and religious belief to function as it did.

Brent

On 8/22/2022 1:18 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote:

In case of Inquisition, I gave you the rule to determine if they were
doing their abuses for the faith or for themselves. Here is what
Jewish wikipedia says:

start quote

FINANCING THE INQUISITION

 [http://www.jewishwikipedia.info/financing.html
 ]

 It was widely accepted that the Inquisition existed only to rob
 people, as they openly affirmed (Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition, p
 150). Both rich and poor knew that it was the rich who were most
 at risk. The fact that the Inquisition funded itself from the
 property it confiscated meant that it burned people on
 commission. Individual inquisitors also funded themselves,
 acquiring great wealth during their careers. Some inquisitors were
 known to have fabricated evidence in order to extort money from
 their victims, but even when discovered they received no
 punishment. Similarly their staff of helpers, called familiars,
 were free to commit crimes without fear of punishment by the
 secular courts. After 1518 this was formalised. Familiars enjoyed
 immunity from prosecution similar to benefit of clergy or modern
 diplomatic immunity. This provided another cause of popular
 scandal, along with their exemption from taxation .

end quote

So, seems to me, the Holy Inquisition was more like private
enterprise, and great career for those who accused.


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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

Oh, a practical question instead of a declarative statement! I never said that 
Religion or Religion doesn't suck, I just don't like to waste effort blaming 
everyone who likes to pray and claim that the 'moral,' let us use ethical 
behavior isn't automatically doomed to hell, and thus making the 
atheist-socialist-progressive, the pinnacle of ethical behavior. Just by (yeah 
I know!) comparing and contrasting we know this 'ain't' true. Secondly, the 
biggest commies in the world during the 20th centuries were also mystical, so 
as the neurobiologists have stated, we can't really get away from "religion."
We both know that the two largest religions on this planet loved to encourage 
their followers to slaughter each other and others. When what was called 
scientific socialism, scientific atheism got the chance, they were just as 
bloody. In fact you didn't get to heaven if you held back slaughtering because 
"God" wants loyal killers,and no pansies allowed! 
How many have died in religious violence?Below is what seems to be a prof who 
was a religious 
apologist-https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/religion-responsible-most-wars-deaths-history-nicholas-pino
Here is a 2015 Reddit 
summary-https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/33tofh/how_many_people_have_been_killed_in_the_name_of/
How many did the self described scientific atheists kill? Stalin? Lets just say 
millions.https://www.history.com/news/ukrainian-famine-stalin

Mao-WaPo said 45 
Milhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/

Pol Pot-https://sfi.usc.edu/collections/cambodian-genocide

Kim-U of Hawaii 1.6 milhttps://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP10.HTM

Should I include Vietnam? Naw!
Thus, as Joey Ramone sang Everybody's got a poison heart. No jump in ethics via 
atheism.  
So what do we do? Thought one-cook up an afterlife belief that is universal. 
Because it's based on physics, yes, atheists are welcome. Somebody has to keep 
the rest of us honest. Secondly, we don't need more religions, we need 
psychological APPS. I have been peddling this idea on here for a while and am 
not surprised that people eye-roll because it gets in their way, makes then 
tense, and feeling disgusted!
Fair enough, if you don't like spaghetti nobody can force you to like 
spaghetti. If it doesn't work for you it's all good, anyway.
The physics in a straightforward way cuts to right to the endless discussions 
of Quantum Teleportation, Alice & Bob, Leaving London and arriving in Moscow in 
an entangled, instant. 
I think that would lighten our behavioral load and get us more to focus on 
material problems, like surviving Putin & Xi, Clean Energy, No Climate Change, 
Crime, Inflation, and all the crap we should be working on. 



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  Wouldn't you expect those following God to not do evil in the first place.  
Are we supposed to admire them for stop doing evil.
 
 Brent
 
 On 8/21/2022 2:28 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
 The Christians are good. If millions followed Adolf, millions more fought to 
defeat him and his followers.  
  They done good. White people enslaved Blacks, but white people also liberated 
them.  
  Hitler would never have gotten to do the mass murdering without working with 
the liberals friend ,Joe Stalin. They both agreed to invade Poland and start 
the holocaust, as historian Timothy Snyder has illuminated.August 1939. 
  
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/oct/05/holocaust-secondworldwar
 
  
  
 
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

I think the socialists (stalinists financed billionaires) aka progressives, 
love to use the long ago past as a psychological weapon. Witness the Anne Frank 
was privileged flap I brought up.Was it Rally the Left On Twitter they 
forgive whatever the socialists do, but ban whatever capitalists do. Thus, it 
occurs to me that Perhaps this is merely a psychological warfare campaign that 
socialists react to, but its origins are, from Putin & Xi?? The old divide and 
conquer?

Beyond this, how long do we hold those responsible from something long ago? I'd 
go with the past is not malleable.
So the best humans can strive to do is to make new mistakes and not the same, 
old, ones. 
When faith or socialism or yeah, nationalism become and ideology, then we are 
guaranteed to report the past behaviors endlessly.
Because everyone's got a poison heart -Joey Ramone.

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On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 04:11:04PM -0400, John Clark wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 2:56 PM Tomasz Rola  wrote:
> 
> 
> > *> crimes are not being done to satiate religious feelings (except,
> > perhaps, satanism) - "normal" human beingsdo crimes to satiate their basic
> > instincts*
> 
> 
> What evidence do you have that the above statement is true? I don't think
> you have any,

The evidence is anecdotical. From the news, from critical articles
about violent events, from memories of people who described their
experiences in books, from disputes by historians, from documentaries,
from people who had access to the archives where I would not be let
in. 

The material gives some basic facts, a lot of them not quite
accurate. It takes time to run one version against other version. 

Finally some opinion emerges. Always subject to change if new material
gives hints that opinion is not good.

> but it's very easy to find evidence that Osama bin Laden did
> what he did for religious reasons, all you need to do is look at just about
> anything he ever said or wrote in his life. Even George W. Bush said he
> ordered the invasion of Iraq because an invisible man in the sky told him
> to. I can't think of a reason I should disregard all that and not take what

The people you mentioned are the leaders (religious, political). They
are not normal, not average. I suppose at their level of existence,
insulated from daily chores of ours, they slowly come to believing
their own story. They believe that - even if they do something bad,
felony - it is really for some great cause. They believe they are
too great to be like a petty criminal, some small time thief, and they
aspire for more greatness.

So they say, "we need to bring Qatars back into the Church". They
(probably) no longer think what normal human will make of it. And the
normal human, deeply inside, will think "yay, there is quite huge
possibility we will kill Qatars and, well, someone will have to take
care of abandoned property".

Leaders should really be wiser than that, but it is easier said than
done. I have read some biograms and they fall down quite easily. Or
maybe they just pretend to be stupid (i.e. too high to care for
details), and deeply inside they too, are just normal. Or perhaps they
know their subordinates are just normal humans, but, well, they only
have those at their command, so to achieve more greatness they need to
mobilise normals into acting, and this can only be done by titilating
their instincts.

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

The Religious Trumpies want to please Jesus. I just want to see the America and 
the human species survive. The best path for this was Trumpo, and the dem toads 
have decided to make him a martyr. This is just like Ghost Busters, the 
original, when Zul, atop the skyscapper said: Name the Form of Your Destroyer!
I personally prefer Florida Man, but if you want trump so bad, this is how you 
get more trump. The dems have zero in the way to fix things, anything, nothing 
workable, nothing practical. Even doing barbaric capitalism does less harm then 
the progressive attorneys that occupy the entire dem party. 
Progressive being defined as Stalinists funded by China-hugging Wall Street. We 
do it too! Trade Money for Power. 
Dems are totally good with this. Nothing broken.


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On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 6:41 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


 > progressives, who in the US, are stalinists funded by billion$ in a trade of 
money (blah blah blah)

If progressives are the stalinist totalitarians why is it that it is the Trump 
zombies who want to force people to have only the sort of sex life that they 
approve of?  Why is it that the Trump zombies, not the progressives, force 
terminal cancer patients who are in agony to keep on living even though they 
very much want to die and even refused to give them adequate pain medication 
that they're begging for because they don't want to see them become addicted 
but don't seem to mind hearing them scream in agony during their final months? 
Why is it that it was the conservative Republicans in Congress, not the 
Progressive Democrats, who want the government to censor books and order the 
justice department to “declare prosecution of obscene pornography a criminal 
justice priority.”?
By the way, you're always complaining about corporations and billionaires and 
free trade, but in the USSR under Stalin everything was state owned and there 
were no corporations, and there was no free trade, and there were no 
billionaires; back then somebody in the upper upper upper class wasn't somebody 
who could afford a 200 foot yacht, it with somebody who could afford a two room 
apartment and a ZAZ 968 automobile which is generally considered to be the 
worst car ever made. Stalin did all the things that you recommend, so why don't 
you love him?
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

 Actually the progressives of today ain't Eugene Debs of 100 years ago. It's a 
cover for being Joe Stalin in a tootoo. Team dem hasn't done jack shit for 
anyone except drive up crime and inflation. 


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On 8/21/2022 3:41 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
> Yeah serious problems with religion. But the ideology of the 
> progressives, who in the US, are stalinists funded by billion$ in a 
> trade of money for power, is nothing virtuous either. Anyway. its 
> unwise to expect too much from people. Religious, atheist's, anyone. 
Progressives who fought for unions, the vote for women, social security, 
deposit insurance, civil rights for blacks, school integration,...  You 
poor oppressed thing.

Brent

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

I am still going to compare and contrast people , places, and things,because 
your whataboudism statement just shows how accurate doing exactly is.
Much thanks.

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 A fine example of whataboutism from potatobaby.  Hitler and his "GOTT MIT UNS" 
army, kills millions in war and millions more of their own citizens...but 
there's a squabble on Twitter about whether Anne Frank had "white 
privilege"...before she was killed of course.

 Brent

 On 8/21/2022 3:24 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

If you were accurate, then no Jesus believer would have opposed the 3rd Reich. 
This was never history. Churchill & Roosevelt never existed? They weren't 
angels, and they let my peeps burn up like logs in a fire.But they still done 
good, and I admire them, even if your universities accuse them of "white 
privilege." While you accuse everyone who is not a dem of fascism, your team 
does its own hateful dance. Twitter Debates Whether Anne Frank Had 'White 
Privilege' (tmz.com) 
  This is certainly a main reason while I bolted The Party. With my hooked 
nose, I could smell this arriving from the fumes of 9-11 (which I visited 
shortly after) and viewed the Democrats unwillingness to oppose the Jihadists. 
Now what about Bushie 43? He obviously was in with the Saudis, and let Bin 
Laden go. Which proves what? To quote Joe Ramone, everybody's got a poison 
heart.  
  Well, I just want to walk right out of this world
 ''Cause everybody has a poison heart
 I just want to walk right out of this world
 'Cause everybody has a poison heart
   [Verse 2]
 Making friends with a homeless torn up man
 He just kind of smiles, it really shakes me up
 There's danger on every corner but I'm okay
 Walking down the street, trying to forget yesterday

  Now how well do you live up to the standards you set for others JC?  Yeah, 
like The Ramones sang, Everybody's Got a Poison Heart 

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 On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 4:58 AM Tomasz Rola  wrote:

> You two (Crowell && Clark) may consider yourselves as some kind of wise guys. 

  Well, I know Lawrence has a certain amount of wisdom and I like to think I do 
too.   

> But frankly, it does not require much of brain power to find things

  And thanks to Google It doesn't take much brain power to fine the following 
Hitler quotations: On April 12 1922 Hitler said in a speech:  
  "Today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty 
Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the 
Lord. [...] My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a 
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few 
followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight 
against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a 
fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the 
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the 
scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific 
was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two 
thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever 
before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the 
Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have 
the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything 
which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that 
daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." 
  On October 27, 1928 Adolf Hitler in another speech said:  
  "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our 
movement is Christian." 
  In yet another speech that Hitler gave in Berlin on October 24, 1933 he said: 
  "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have 
therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not 
merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."

  John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
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Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2

Unless our descendents take charge of the solar system and then sun? Profoundly 
impossible today, as we cannot even get solar power pushed effectively. 
Tomorrow? I'd bet on it, if we survive Putin & Xi?

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Clouds will not go away completely until a billion years from now when Earth 
becomes overheated by the increase in solar luminosity. Our actions are 
temporal and rather transient in the geological timeframe of the planet. 
LC

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https://www.quantamagazine.org/cloud-loss-could-add-8-degrees-to-global-warming-20190225/

"Climate physicists at the California Institute of Technology performed 
a state-of-the-art simulation of stratocumulus clouds, the low-lying, 
blankety kind that have by far the largest cooling effect on the planet. 
The simulation revealed a tipping point: a level of warming at which 
stratocumulus clouds break up altogether. The disappearance occurs when 
the concentration of CO2 in the simulated atmosphere reaches 1,200 parts 
per million — a level that fossil fuel burning could push us past in 
about a century, under “business-as-usual” emissions scenarios. In the 
simulation, when the tipping point is breached, Earth’s temperature 
soars 8 degrees Celsius, in addition to the 4 degrees of warming or more 
caused by the CO2 directly.

Once clouds go away, the simulated climate “goes over a cliff,” said 
Kerry Emanuel, a climate scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of 
Technology. A leading authority on atmospheric physics, Emanuel called 
the new findings “very plausible,” though, as he noted, scientists must 
now make an effort to independently replicate the work.

To imagine 12 degrees of warming, think of crocodiles swimming in the 
Arctic and of the scorched, mostly lifeless equatorial regions during 
the PETM. If carbon emissions aren’t curbed quickly enough and the 
tipping point is breached, “that would be truly devastating climate 
change,” said Caltech’s Tapio Schneider, who performed the new 
simulation with Colleen Kaul and Kyle Pressel.

Huber said the stratocumulus tipping point helps explain the volatility 
that’s evident in the paleoclimate record. He thinks it might be one of 
many unknown instabilities in Earth’s climate. “Schneider and co-authors 
have cracked open Pandora’s box of potential climate surprises,” he 
said, adding that, as the mechanisms behind vanishing clouds become 
clear, “all of a sudden this enormous sensitivity that is apparent from 
past climates isn’t something that’s just in the past. It becomes a 
vision of the future.”"

Saibal

On 18-08-2022 16:42, Philip Benjamin wrote:
> WHAT THRESHOLD THREAT OF CO2 FROM CLIMATE CHANGE?
> 
> https://news.yahoo.com/solar-storm-strike-earth-direct-101857176.html
> "Solar storm about to strike Earth in a direct hit" Adam Smith Mon,
> July 18, 2022 at 5:18 AM Solar effects (sunspots, solar storms etc.)
> etc. will certainly affect the wind systems of the globe. That has
> nothing to do with CO2 quantities!! The pseudoscience of climatology
> (not meteorology) which is now an integral part of a worldwide pagan
> religion, contrary to the Augustinian 'awakened' consciousness.
> (https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine,
> https://www.history.com/topics/british-history/great-awakening).
> 
> An estimated 1,050 wildfires worldwide produced global CO2
> emissions of 76 billion tons in 2021. That is on the average ~ 3
> forest fires each day, producing ~ 78 billion tons of CO2/day. The
> petroleum burning per year is 5.1/ 150 = ~ 1/30 = ~ 0.03 trillion
> tons of CO2 = 3 x 10^-2 x10^12 = ~ 30 billion tons of CO2/year. Which
> is a threat? What is the threshold of CO2 doom?
> 
> https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/8349/cold-and-snow
> [1]. The climatic SNOW LINE is about 15,000 ft above sea level at the
> equator and 19,000 ft in the Himalayas. It is progressively lower as
> the latitude increases, to just below 9,800 ft in the Alps. The
> reduced volume of melting of _glaciers & icebergs (about 90% below the
> water surface) can only lower the sea level. The melting of_ mountain
> ice alone cannot dangerously raise the sea level; for those very
> powerful forces (not by CO2 !!) will be required to bring up the
> humongous subterranean water beds.
> 
> Destroy the petroleum industries, then even the battery
> industry will be destroyed because some of the 6000 byproducts of
> petroleum are indispensable for battery production also. Industries
> cannot keep an oil refinery open just for batteries! Automobile
> battery alone may then cost prohibitively high.
> 
> Philip Benjamin
> 
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Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2

Saibal, yes AGW is real, but the effect, and the marine oceanic microbe 
reaction to it that has been measured, makes claims by climatologists more 
uncertain. If the climate heads do not factor in biology in their models then 
how accurate are the models?

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https://www.quantamagazine.org/cloud-loss-could-add-8-degrees-to-global-warming-20190225/

"Climate physicists at the California Institute of Technology performed 
a state-of-the-art simulation of stratocumulus clouds, the low-lying, 
blankety kind that have by far the largest cooling effect on the planet. 
The simulation revealed a tipping point: a level of warming at which 
stratocumulus clouds break up altogether. The disappearance occurs when 
the concentration of CO2 in the simulated atmosphere reaches 1,200 parts 
per million — a level that fossil fuel burning could push us past in 
about a century, under “business-as-usual” emissions scenarios. In the 
simulation, when the tipping point is breached, Earth’s temperature 
soars 8 degrees Celsius, in addition to the 4 degrees of warming or more 
caused by the CO2 directly.

Once clouds go away, the simulated climate “goes over a cliff,” said 
Kerry Emanuel, a climate scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of 
Technology. A leading authority on atmospheric physics, Emanuel called 
the new findings “very plausible,” though, as he noted, scientists must 
now make an effort to independently replicate the work.

To imagine 12 degrees of warming, think of crocodiles swimming in the 
Arctic and of the scorched, mostly lifeless equatorial regions during 
the PETM. If carbon emissions aren’t curbed quickly enough and the 
tipping point is breached, “that would be truly devastating climate 
change,” said Caltech’s Tapio Schneider, who performed the new 
simulation with Colleen Kaul and Kyle Pressel.

Huber said the stratocumulus tipping point helps explain the volatility 
that’s evident in the paleoclimate record. He thinks it might be one of 
many unknown instabilities in Earth’s climate. “Schneider and co-authors 
have cracked open Pandora’s box of potential climate surprises,” he 
said, adding that, as the mechanisms behind vanishing clouds become 
clear, “all of a sudden this enormous sensitivity that is apparent from 
past climates isn’t something that’s just in the past. It becomes a 
vision of the future.”"

Saibal

On 18-08-2022 16:42, Philip Benjamin wrote:
> WHAT THRESHOLD THREAT OF CO2 FROM CLIMATE CHANGE?
> 
> https://news.yahoo.com/solar-storm-strike-earth-direct-101857176.html
> "Solar storm about to strike Earth in a direct hit" Adam Smith Mon,
> July 18, 2022 at 5:18 AM Solar effects (sunspots, solar storms etc.)
> etc. will certainly affect the wind systems of the globe. That has
> nothing to do with CO2 quantities!! The pseudoscience of climatology
> (not meteorology) which is now an integral part of a worldwide pagan
> religion, contrary to the  Augustinian 'awakened' consciousness.
> (https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine,
> https://www.history.com/topics/british-history/great-awakening).
> 
>    An estimated 1,050 wildfires worldwide produced global CO2
> emissions of 76 billion tons in 2021. That is on the average ~ 3
> forest  fires each day, producing ~ 78 billion tons of CO2/day. The
> petroleum burning per year is 5.1/ 150 =  ~  1/30 = ~ 0.03 trillion
> tons of CO2 = 3 x 10^-2 x10^12 = ~ 30 billion tons of CO2/year. Which
> is a threat?  What is the threshold of CO2 doom?
> 
>        https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/8349/cold-and-snow
> [1]. The climatic SNOW LINE is about 15,000 ft above sea level at the
> equator and 19,000 ft in the Himalayas. It is progressively lower as
> the latitude increases, to just below 9,800 ft in the Alps. The
> reduced volume of melting of _glaciers & icebergs (about 90% below the
> water surface) can only lower the sea level.  The melting of_ mountain
> ice alone cannot dangerously raise the sea level; for those very
> powerful forces (not by CO2 !!) will be required to bring up the
> humongous subterranean water beds.
> 
>        Destroy the petroleum industries, then even the battery
> industry will be destroyed because some of the 6000 byproducts of
> petroleum are indispensable for battery production also. Industries
> cannot keep an oil refinery open just for batteries! Automobile
> battery alone may then cost prohibitively high.
> 
> Philip Benjamin
> 
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

I just think we're just trouble by croaking. Being an atheist won't solve this 
problem at all!!!

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On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 10:04 PM Tomasz Rola  wrote:

>> but it's very easy to find evidence that Osama bin Laden did
>> what he did for religious reasons, all you need to do is look at just about
>> anything he ever said or wrote in his life. Even George W. Bush said he
>> ordered the invasion of Iraq because an invisible man in the sky told him
>> to. I can't think of a reason I should disregard all that and not take what

> The people you mentioned are the leaders (religious, political). They
are not normal, not average.

But it is the leaders, not the average, who make history and in the case of 
religion a very very dark history. Outside of death itself I don't think 
anything has caused more human misery than religion. For every dying person who 
is comforted by the thought of heaven there are 10 that are terrified of the 
prospect of hell because religious leaders tell them that the entry 
requirements for heaven are so strict that virtually nobody measures up, and 
the only alternative is torture by an omnipotent being for an infinite number 
of years, although the leaders do not make clear if the infinity in question 
can be put into a one to one correspondence with the integers or if the Real 
Numbers are required.   
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

The German Christians did, the American and Canadian, and British Christians 
didn't. The National Socialist leader, even more then the Christians that 
followed them in old Deutschland, were lead by an ideology that superseded 
Martin Luther's hatred of the yids.  Witness. 
Hitler & the nazis-https://nyupress.org/9780814730607/occult-roots-of-nazism/
>From Pravda!-https://english.pravda.ru/science/118290-joseph_stalin/
Stalin & Hitler, Both Choir Boys, there's your Christianity evidence, Johnny!
Now, in addition, BOTH Heinrich Himmler and Idi Amin Dada conducted Seances 
with severed heads for Occult beliefs and Idi Amin was a Muslim. 
https://www.britishpathe.com/video/VLVA72S8YVHV58G8JGUHKFSUNGQOR-KENYA-FORMER-SERVANT-OF-IDI-AMIN-SAYS-UGANDAN-PRESIDENT-KEPT/query/IDI

https://bigthink.com/the-present/nazis-occult/

So thy both communicated with the dead (you betcha!). 
Johnny, its like the old poop Somerset Maugham wrote, "People who give up 
believing in God, do not being in Nothing, they believe in Anything! And old 
Somerset was no pal of mine. Still not everyone needs to be chummy to make 
progress. 

Yours in Odin, Spud, Master of the Nibelungen  

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On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 5:28 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


> The Christians are good. If millions followed Adolf, millions more fought to 
> defeat him and his followers.

Every single one of the soldiers in Hitler's army, Navy and Air Force were 
Christians, and most of them were very devout Christians as were the guards in 
the concentration camps who pushed the inmates into ovens. And the bedrock of 
Nazism was antisemitism, but if religion did not exist then Jews wouldn't exist 
and neither would Christians, there would just be people.


> White people enslaved Blacks, but white people also liberated them. [...] 
> Hitler would never have gotten to do the mass murdering without working with 
> the liberals friend, Joe Stalin.

Mr. Spudboy, your silliness is reaching supernova proportions. 
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:38 AM  wrote:

*> Bushie 43, like Adolf, Like Joey (free stuff!) knew how to throw a sales
> pitch. My question is, does anyone know or believe (evidence please) that
> Bush allowed Bin Laden to escape to Iran (blink-blink)?*
>

I really hate defending George W. Bush but the above idea is just
ridiculous, the only reason you have for believing it is that some jackass who
wasn't smart enough to pour water out of a boot even if the instructions
were printed on the heel, typed some shit and posted it on the Internet.
There must be something wrong with your bullshit detector. Spoiler alert,
not everything you read on the Internet is true.
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 10:04 PM Tomasz Rola  wrote:

>
>> but it's very easy to find evidence that Osama bin Laden did
>> >> what he did for religious reasons, all you need to do is look at just
>> about
>> >> anything he ever said or wrote in his life. Even George W. Bush said
>> he
>> >> ordered the invasion of Iraq because an invisible man in the sky told
>> him
>> >> to. I can't think of a reason I should disregard all that and not
>> take what
>
>
>
> * > The people you mentioned are the leaders (religious, political). They
> are not normal, not average.*

But it is the leaders, not the average, who make history and in the case of
religion a very very dark history. Outside of death itself I don't think
anything has caused more human misery than religion. For every dying person
who is comforted by the thought of heaven there are 10 that are terrified
of the prospect of hell because religious leaders tell them that the entry
requirements for heaven are so strict that virtually nobody measures up,
and the only alternative is torture by an omnipotent being for an infinite
number of years, although the leaders do not make clear if the infinity in
question can be put into a one to one correspondence with the integers or
if the Real Numbers are required.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

Bushie 43, like Adolf, Like Joey (free stuff!) knew how to throw a sales pitch. 
My question is, does anyone know or believe (evidence please) that Bush allowed 
Bin Laden to escape to Iran (blink-blink)?

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On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 2:56 PM Tomasz Rola  wrote:

> crimes are not being done to satiate religious feelings (except, perhaps, 
> satanism) - "normal" human beings
do crimes to satiate their basic instincts

What evidence do you have that the above statement is true? I don't think you 
have any, but it's very easy to find evidence that Osama bin Laden did what he 
did for religious reasons, all you need to do is look at just about anything he 
ever said or wrote in his life. Even George W. Bush said he ordered the 
invasion of Iraq because an invisible man in the sky told him to. I can't think 
of a reason I should disregard all that and not take what they said at face 
value, but I think both men would've been far less dangerous if they didn't 
really mean what they said, but unfortunately they did. Both were sincere but 
sincerity is a vastly overrated virtue. 

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 6:41 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
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* > progressives, who in the US, are stalinists funded by billion$ in a
> trade of money (blah blah blah)*

If progressives are the stalinist totalitarians why is it that it is the
Trump zombies who want to force people to have only the sort of sex life
that they approve of?  Why is it that the Trump zombies, not the
progressives, force terminal cancer patients who are in agony to keep on
living even though they very much want to die and even refused to give them
adequate pain medication that they're begging for because they don't want
to see them become addicted but don't seem to mind hearing them scream in
agony during their final months? Why is it that it was the conservative
Republicans in Congress, not the Progressive Democrats, who want the
government to censor books and order the justice department to “*declare
prosecution of obscene pornography a criminal justice priority*.”?

By the way, you're always complaining about corporations and billionaires
and free trade, but in the USSR under Stalin everything was state owned and
there were no corporations, and there was no free trade, and there were no
billionaires; back then somebody in the upper upper upper class wasn't
somebody who could afford a 200 foot yacht, it with somebody who could
afford a two room apartment and a ZAZ 968 automobile which is generally
considered to be the worst car ever made. Stalin did all the things that
you recommend, so why don't you love him?

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-22 Thread Tomasz Rola

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 12:02:14AM +0200, Telmo Menezes wrote:
> 
> 
> Am So, 21. Aug 2022, um 20:55, schrieb Tomasz Rola:
> > On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 04:00:41AM -0700, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
> > [...]
> > The problem you describe is there, but I do not think it is pertinent
> > to religion or caused by it.
> >
> > You want to blame religion for the crimes done in its name? Ok, some
> > blame belongs to it. But crimes are not being done to satiate
> > religious feelings (except, perhaps, satanism)
> 
> Satanism? Really? Satanism is christianity. YOU invented
> satanism.

I assure you I have not invented satanism. Oh, if you meant plural
"you", and me being a member of some group, I do not think I am a
member of such a group. Groups with which I identify the most are:

- harcerze = Polish scouts. I was very briefly a member. They were
  always a bit suspicious. But also a bit too good for this. And trust
  me, if we ever invented satanism, we would have badges for it.

- programmers - I consider myself one, but a really lousy one. Hard to
  tell, perhaps we did it. But there would have been constant
  disagreement about which programming platform to use for promotion
  and miscreant behaviour. Anyway, traces of this should be on github.

- engineers - ok, I have a degree but trust me, you will not want to
  drive over my bridge and I will never stand under any built by
  myself. But overally, we engineers are the most probably culprit. A
  capable engineer, two hundred years ago, would stand up an
  industrial complex from the grounds up. Some of us are good
  planners. I tell you what, if you ever acquire evidence it was
  engineers' plot, than man, you better stop fighting and join us.

- thinkers - well, I am kind of on/off member. Thinkers like theory a
  lot but we are total and absolute loosers in this world. If you find
  evidence it was thinkers who did satanism, you will give us a great
  honor by considering us fight-worthy. They will make a movie about
  us, thousand against one you, us loosing patheticaly, most of times
  by very funny accidents with self made weapons.

- antropologists - well, we antopologists are even bigger loosers. And
  I am just an amateur (never did anything to pursue degree), so an
  even lousier one. If you find us to be guilty, you can just let us
  go. We will keep talking about Satan, about connection between
  country shape on a map and form of Satan venerated in that country,
  taking notes of each other's talk. Really, if you decide to fight
  antropologists, people will laugh at you and make jokes of you.

> Satanism is the fucking pure unadulterated narcissistic
> projection of christian crimes. Fucking children? Priests are the
> ones doing it by the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. Just in Europe, by the
> way, no USA needed for this one:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_in_Europe
> 
> And the pope and the cardinals are all still protecting them and
> conspiring to hide evidence.

Ok, here the jokes end. It is a tragedy that children were being
abused and it is huge shame for Church. You are very much right. It
would be a better world, if the people involved could be subject of
legal proceedings, rather than hiding and hushhushing.

Still, if you are trying to make a case that rapings had anything to
do with religious duties, I do not think so. They happened while
priests were performing religious duties, but crimes were not
integral (required) part of those duties. And I do not think it is
possible to defend a thesis, that some kind of God veneration was
linked to child abuse.

For the purpose of this thread, I devised a very simple test. A crime
usually yields some positive value for perpetrators. If the whole of
the value had been transferred to their superiors, the church, some
kind of entity like this, than of course the crime was being done for
religious purpose... or at least there is a strong case to say so. So,
in simper worlds, if perps were doing it all for free, without
personal gains.

In this case (child abuse), perps achieved sexual pleasure (I guess),
which by its very nature could not be transferred. So there is a
strong basis to say that they were satiating their instincts, rather
than doing it for their faith.

> How dare you?

Uhumm. How dare I what exactly? How dare I to think? How dare I not be
manipulated into emotional reaction?

Because I am afraid you have been manipulated. A lot of people point
their fingers towards the Church, and rightly so. At the same time,
however, according to UNICEF, some 60 milion children are displaced
from their homes, sometimes alone:

 [ https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/08/1098612
 ]

So I understand we have a huge group of potential victims and we
should know (if we can read the news) that there is a sizable group of
rich abusers. The number one rule of capitalism says that clever
solicitors will pop up in this vacuum between two groups, so they can
meet each other.

And the

Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-21 Thread Tomasz Rola

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 04:11:04PM -0400, John Clark wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 2:56 PM Tomasz Rola  wrote:
> 
> 
> > *> crimes are not being done to satiate religious feelings (except,
> > perhaps, satanism) - "normal" human beingsdo crimes to satiate their basic
> > instincts*
> 
> 
> What evidence do you have that the above statement is true? I don't think
> you have any,

The evidence is anecdotical. From the news, from critical articles
about violent events, from memories of people who described their
experiences in books, from disputes by historians, from documentaries,
from people who had access to the archives where I would not be let
in. 

The material gives some basic facts, a lot of them not quite
accurate. It takes time to run one version against other version. 

Finally some opinion emerges. Always subject to change if new material
gives hints that opinion is not good.

> but it's very easy to find evidence that Osama bin Laden did
> what he did for religious reasons, all you need to do is look at just about
> anything he ever said or wrote in his life. Even George W. Bush said he
> ordered the invasion of Iraq because an invisible man in the sky told him
> to. I can't think of a reason I should disregard all that and not take what

The people you mentioned are the leaders (religious, political). They
are not normal, not average. I suppose at their level of existence,
insulated from daily chores of ours, they slowly come to believing
their own story. They believe that - even if they do something bad,
felony - it is really for some great cause. They believe they are
too great to be like a petty criminal, some small time thief, and they
aspire for more greatness.

So they say, "we need to bring Qatars back into the Church". They
(probably) no longer think what normal human will make of it. And the
normal human, deeply inside, will think "yay, there is quite huge
possibility we will kill Qatars and, well, someone will have to take
care of abandoned property".

Leaders should really be wiser than that, but it is easier said than
done. I have read some biograms and they fall down quite easily. Or
maybe they just pretend to be stupid (i.e. too high to care for
details), and deeply inside they too, are just normal. Or perhaps they
know their subordinates are just normal humans, but, well, they only
have those at their command, so to achieve more greatness they need to
mobilise normals into acting, and this can only be done by titilating
their instincts.

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On 8/21/2022 3:41 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Yeah serious problems with religion. But the ideology of the 
progressives, who in the US, are stalinists funded by billion$ in a 
trade of money for power, is nothing virtuous either. Anyway. its 
unwise to expect too much from people. Religious, atheist's, anyone. 
Progressives who fought for unions, the vote for women, social security, 
deposit insurance, civil rights for blacks, school integration,...  You 
poor oppressed thing.


Brent

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Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2

2022-08-21 Thread smitra

https://www.quantamagazine.org/cloud-loss-could-add-8-degrees-to-global-warming-20190225/

"Climate physicists at the California Institute of Technology performed
a state-of-the-art simulation of stratocumulus clouds, the low-lying,
blankety kind that have by far the largest cooling effect on the planet.
The simulation revealed a tipping point: a level of warming at which
stratocumulus clouds break up altogether. The disappearance occurs when
the concentration of CO2 in the simulated atmosphere reaches 1,200 parts
per million — a level that fossil fuel burning could push us past in
about a century, under “business-as-usual” emissions scenarios. In the
simulation, when the tipping point is breached, Earth’s temperature
soars 8 degrees Celsius, in addition to the 4 degrees of warming or more
caused by the CO2 directly.

Once clouds go away, the simulated climate “goes over a cliff,” said
Kerry Emanuel, a climate scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology. A leading authority on atmospheric physics, Emanuel called
the new findings “very plausible,” though, as he noted, scientists must
now make an effort to independently replicate the work.

To imagine 12 degrees of warming, think of crocodiles swimming in the
Arctic and of the scorched, mostly lifeless equatorial regions during
the PETM. If carbon emissions aren’t curbed quickly enough and the
tipping point is breached, “that would be truly devastating climate
change,” said Caltech’s Tapio Schneider, who performed the new
simulation with Colleen Kaul and Kyle Pressel.

Huber said the stratocumulus tipping point helps explain the volatility
that’s evident in the paleoclimate record. He thinks it might be one of
many unknown instabilities in Earth’s climate. “Schneider and co-authors
have cracked open Pandora’s box of potential climate surprises,” he
said, adding that, as the mechanisms behind vanishing clouds become
clear, “all of a sudden this enormous sensitivity that is apparent from
past climates isn’t something that’s just in the past. It becomes a
vision of the future.”"

Saibal

On 18-08-2022 16:42, Philip Benjamin wrote:

WHAT THRESHOLD THREAT OF CO2 FROM CLIMATE CHANGE?

https://news.yahoo.com/solar-storm-strike-earth-direct-101857176.html
"Solar storm about to strike Earth in a direct hit" Adam Smith Mon,
July 18, 2022 at 5:18 AM Solar effects (sunspots, solar storms etc.)
etc. will certainly affect the wind systems of the globe. That has
nothing to do with CO2 quantities!! The pseudoscience of climatology
(not meteorology) which is now an integral part of a worldwide pagan
religion, contrary to the Augustinian 'awakened' consciousness.
(https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine,
https://www.history.com/topics/british-history/great-awakening).

An estimated 1,050 wildfires worldwide produced global CO2
emissions of 76 billion tons in 2021. That is on the average ~ 3
forest fires each day, producing ~ 78 billion tons of CO2/day. The
petroleum burning per year is 5.1/ 150 = ~ 1/30 = ~ 0.03 trillion
tons of CO2 = 3 x 10^-2 x10^12 = ~ 30 billion tons of CO2/year. Which
is a threat? What is the threshold of CO2 doom?

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/8349/cold-and-snow
[1]. The climatic SNOW LINE is about 15,000 ft above sea level at the
equator and 19,000 ft in the Himalayas. It is progressively lower as
the latitude increases, to just below 9,800 ft in the Alps. The
reduced volume of melting of _glaciers & icebergs (about 90% below the
water surface) can only lower the sea level. The melting of_ mountain
ice alone cannot dangerously raise the sea level; for those very
powerful forces (not by CO2 !!) will be required to bring up the
humongous subterranean water beds.

Destroy the petroleum industries, then even the battery
industry will be destroyed because some of the 6000 byproducts of
petroleum are indispensable for battery production also. Industries
cannot keep an oil refinery open just for batteries! Automobile
battery alone may then cost prohibitively high.

Philip Benjamin

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

A fine example of whataboutism from potatobaby.  Hitler and his "GOTT 
MIT UNS" army, kills millions in war and millions more of their own 
citizens...but there's a squabble on Twitter about whether Anne Frank 
had "white privilege"...before she was killed of course.


Brent

On 8/21/2022 3:24 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
If you were accurate, then no Jesus believer would have opposed the 
3rd Reich. This was never history. Churchill & Roosevelt never 
existed? They weren't angels, and they let my peeps burn up like logs 
in a fire.But they still done good, and I admire them, even if your 
universities accuse them of "white privilege." While you accuse 
everyone who is not a dem of fascism, your team does its own hateful 
dance.
Twitter Debates Whether Anne Frank Had 'White Privilege' (tmz.com) 
<https://www.tmz.com/2022/07/09/twitter-debates-whether-anne-frank-had-white-privilege/>


This is certainly a main reason while I bolted The Party. With my 
hooked nose, I could smell this arriving from the fumes of 9-11 (which 
I visited shortly after) and viewed the Democrats unwillingness to 
oppose the Jihadists. Now what about Bushie 43? He obviously was in 
with the Saudis, and let Bin Laden go. Which proves what? To quote Joe 
Ramone, everybody's got a poison heart.


Well, I just want to walk right out of this world
''Cause everybody has a poison heart
I just want to walk right out of this world
'Cause everybody has a poison heart
[Verse 2]
Making friends with a homeless torn up man
He just kind of smiles, it really shakes me up
There's danger on every corner but I'm okay
Walking down the street, trying to forget yesterday

Now how well do you live up to the standards you set for others JC?
Yeah, like The Ramones sang, Everybody's Got a Poison Heart




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Sent: Sun, Aug 21, 2022 8:58 am
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Threshold Threat of CO2]


On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 4:58 AM Tomasz Rola  wrote:

/> You two (Crowell && Clark) may consider yourselves as some kind
ofwise guys. /


*Well, I know Lawrence has a certain amount of wisdom and I like to 
think I do too. *


/> But frankly, it does not require much of brain power tofind things/


*And thanks to GoogleIt doesn't take much brain powerto fine the 
following Hitler quotations:**On April 12 1922Hitler said in a speech: *


/"Today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the 
Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting 
for the work of the Lord. [...] My feelings as a Christian points me 
to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once 
in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews 
for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, 
God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In 
boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage 
which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the 
scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How 
terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. 
To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize 
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He 
had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to 
allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for 
truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate 
that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as 
a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."/


*O**nOctober 27, 1928 Adolf Hitler in another speech said: *

/"//We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of 
Christianity. Our movement is Christian."/

/
/
*In yet another speechthat Hitler gave in Berlin on October 24, 1933he 
said:*

/
/
/"//We were convinced that //the people need and require this faith. 
We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, 
and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have 
stamped it out."

/
/
/
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<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-21 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List

Yeah serious problems with religion. But the ideology of the progressives, who 
in the US, are stalinists funded by billion$ in a trade of money for power, is 
nothing virtuous either. Anyway. its unwise to expect too much from people. 
Religious, atheist's, anyone. 

-Original Message-
From: Telmo Menezes 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Sent: Sun, Aug 21, 2022 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]

Am So, 21. Aug 2022, um 20:55, schrieb Tomasz Rola:
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 04:00:41AM -0700, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
> [...]
>> Sure, there were religious leaders who opposed Nazism, such as the Lutheran 
>> theologian who wrote "First they came for ... ." I cannot remember his name 
>> off hand.
>
> Martin Niemöller:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
>
>> There were others, but look at the preponderance. Consider in the
>> United States the role of fundamentalists and evangelicals. They are
>> almost lockstep with Don-the-Con t'Rump, who is America's "big
>> pela-man" and cult leader, just as were Mussolini and Hitler.
>
> Religion in the USA is quite peculiar phenomenon. I have not read
> about it too much, however. But yes, the way some of them guys go, is
> worth deeper look.
>
>> Religion is largely about do not ask questions, obey your leaders
>> and pay what you owe your religious leaders (tithes etc) and
>> masters. It is a perfect conditioning system for a compliant
>> population under fascism.
>
> The problem you describe is there, but I do not think it is pertinent
> to religion or caused by it.
>
> You want to blame religion for the crimes done in its name? Ok, some
> blame belongs to it. But crimes are not being done to satiate
> religious feelings (except, perhaps, satanism)

Satanism? Really? Satanism is christianity. YOU invented satanism. Satanism is 
the fucking pure unadulterated narcissistic projection of christian crimes. 
Fucking children? Priests are the ones doing it by the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. 
Just in Europe, by the way, no USA needed for this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_in_Europe

And the pope and the cardinals are all still protecting them and conspiring to 
hide evidence.

How dare you?

Satanism? Like horrible tortures in the name of some sick god? Yeah that is 
also christianity. 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=inquisition+torture=newext=v274-1=images=images

Or do you mean the "satanic panic", some disgusting confabulations trying to 
blame goth kids and D nerds for things for which there was zero evidence, 
while the true criminals are protected by the small town sheriff and their 
shitty little churches? Destroying lives, spending dozens of millions of 
dollars of taxpayer money on frivolous lawsuits:

https://moglen.law.columbia.edu/twiki/bin/view/LawContempSoc/ZellyRosaFirstEssay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic

All of this amplified by Oprah Winfrey and other mainstream media grifters for 
profit:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SatanicPanic
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-10-27-ca-449-story.html

Kids spending decades in death row, being traumatized forever for the crime of 
dressing in black and liking metal in some shithole christian town?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_Three

And then being denied basic justice to this very day?

https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/local/damien-echols-one-west-memphis-three-heads-court-today/NPSNZ3JTONFFVPKFV4WA5BSYEY/

Or the sick vengeful things christians do to young women who dared to protest 
you, in this very century in countries where there is no recourse to the law?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/23/freed-pussy-riot-amnesty-prison-putin-humiliation

That is true satanism.

I still remember the psychological abuse that I was subject to in my 6 years of 
forced Sunday school. It is not much compared to the things I mention above, 
but I remember that I was less than ten years old and I couldn't sleep at night 
because christian sickos put the ideas of heaven and hell (both terrifying) in 
my mind, trying to make me feel eternally guilty for being a perfectly normal 
and healthy human being.

I am still grateful to my father for eventually telling me that it was all 
bullshit.

All of these things that many religious people do, that is what hell is. Sickos 
without a shred of empathy, intelligence, decency or self-reflection. Cowards. 
Get off your knees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2paSwpzOvg=1984s

Telmo

>  - "normal" human beings
> do crimes to satiate their basic instincts. They just use religions as
> good excuse. The robbed gold and other material goods, did they give
> it away to their churches? Some of it, sure. The rest was just q

Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-21 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List

If you were accurate, then no Jesus believer would have opposed the 3rd Reich. 
This was never history. Churchill & Roosevelt never existed? They weren't 
angels, and they let my peeps burn up like logs in a fire.But they still done 
good, and I admire them, even if your universities accuse them of "white 
privilege." While you accuse everyone who is not a dem of fascism, your team 
does its own hateful dance.Twitter Debates Whether Anne Frank Had 'White 
Privilege' (tmz.com)
This is certainly a main reason while I bolted The Party. With my hooked nose, 
I could smell this arriving from the fumes of 9-11 (which I visited shortly 
after) and viewed the Democrats unwillingness to oppose the Jihadists. Now what 
about Bushie 43? He obviously was in with the Saudis, and let Bin Laden go. 
Which proves what? To quote Joe Ramone, everybody's got a poison heart. 
Well, I just want to walk right out of this world
''Cause everybody has a poison heart
I just want to walk right out of this world
'Cause everybody has a poison heart
[Verse 2]
Making friends with a homeless torn up man
He just kind of smiles, it really shakes me up
There's danger on every corner but I'm okay
Walking down the street, trying to forget yesterday

Now how well do you live up to the standards you set for others JC? Yeah, like 
The Ramones sang, Everybody's Got a Poison Heart

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From: John Clark 
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Sent: Sun, Aug 21, 2022 8:58 am
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On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 4:58 AM Tomasz Rola  wrote:

> You two (Crowell && Clark) may consider yourselves as some kind of wise guys. 

Well, I know Lawrence has a certain amount of wisdom and I like to think I do 
too.  

> But frankly, it does not require much of brain power to find things

And thanks to Google It doesn't take much brain power to fine the following 
Hitler quotations: On April 12 1922 Hitler said in a speech: 
"Today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty 
Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the 
Lord. [...] My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a 
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few 
followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight 
against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a 
fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the 
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the 
scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific 
was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two 
thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever 
before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the 
Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have 
the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything 
which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that 
daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
On October 27, 1928 Adolf Hitler in another speech said: 
"We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our 
movement is Christian."
In yet another speech that Hitler gave in Berlin on October 24, 1933 he said:
"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have 
therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not 
merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."

John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

Wouldn't you expect those following God to not do evil in the first 
place.  Are we supposed to admire them for stop doing evil.


Brent

On 8/21/2022 2:28 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
The Christians are good. If millions followed Adolf, millions more 
fought to defeat him and his followers.


They done good. White people enslaved Blacks, but white people also 
liberated them.


Hitler would never have gotten to do the mass murdering without 
working with the liberals friend ,Joe Stalin. They both agreed to 
invade Poland and start the holocaust, as historian Timothy Snyder has 
illuminated.August 1939.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/oct/05/holocaust-secondworldwar




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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-21 Thread Telmo Menezes

Am So, 21. Aug 2022, um 20:55, schrieb Tomasz Rola:
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 04:00:41AM -0700, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
> [...]
>> Sure, there were religious leaders who opposed Nazism, such as the Lutheran 
>> theologian who wrote "First they came for ... ." I cannot remember his name 
>> off hand.
>
> Martin Niemöller:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
>
>> There were others, but look at the preponderance. Consider in the
>> United States the role of fundamentalists and evangelicals. They are
>> almost lockstep with Don-the-Con t'Rump, who is America's "big
>> pela-man" and cult leader, just as were Mussolini and Hitler.
>
> Religion in the USA is quite peculiar phenomenon. I have not read
> about it too much, however. But yes, the way some of them guys go, is
> worth deeper look.
>
>> Religion is largely about do not ask questions, obey your leaders
>> and pay what you owe your religious leaders (tithes etc) and
>> masters. It is a perfect conditioning system for a compliant
>> population under fascism.
>
> The problem you describe is there, but I do not think it is pertinent
> to religion or caused by it.
>
> You want to blame religion for the crimes done in its name? Ok, some
> blame belongs to it. But crimes are not being done to satiate
> religious feelings (except, perhaps, satanism)

Satanism? Really? Satanism is christianity. YOU invented satanism. Satanism is 
the fucking pure unadulterated narcissistic projection of christian crimes. 
Fucking children? Priests are the ones doing it by the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. 
Just in Europe, by the way, no USA needed for this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_in_Europe

And the pope and the cardinals are all still protecting them and conspiring to 
hide evidence.

How dare you?

Satanism? Like horrible tortures in the name of some sick god? Yeah that is 
also christianity. 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=inquisition+torture=newext=v274-1=images=images

Or do you mean the "satanic panic", some disgusting confabulations trying to 
blame goth kids and D nerds for things for which there was zero evidence, 
while the true criminals are protected by the small town sheriff and their 
shitty little churches? Destroying lives, spending dozens of millions of 
dollars of taxpayer money on frivolous lawsuits:

https://moglen.law.columbia.edu/twiki/bin/view/LawContempSoc/ZellyRosaFirstEssay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic

All of this amplified by Oprah Winfrey and other mainstream media grifters for 
profit:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SatanicPanic
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-10-27-ca-449-story.html

Kids spending decades in death row, being traumatized forever for the crime of 
dressing in black and liking metal in some shithole christian town?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_Three

And then being denied basic justice to this very day?

https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/local/damien-echols-one-west-memphis-three-heads-court-today/NPSNZ3JTONFFVPKFV4WA5BSYEY/

Or the sick vengeful things christians do to young women who dared to protest 
you, in this very century in countries where there is no recourse to the law?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/23/freed-pussy-riot-amnesty-prison-putin-humiliation

That is true satanism.

I still remember the psychological abuse that I was subject to in my 6 years of 
forced Sunday school. It is not much compared to the things I mention above, 
but I remember that I was less than ten years old and I couldn't sleep at night 
because christian sickos put the ideas of heaven and hell (both terrifying) in 
my mind, trying to make me feel eternally guilty for being a perfectly normal 
and healthy human being.

I am still grateful to my father for eventually telling me that it was all 
bullshit.

All of these things that many religious people do, that is what hell is. Sickos 
without a shred of empathy, intelligence, decency or self-reflection. Cowards. 
Get off your knees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2paSwpzOvg=1984s

Telmo

>  - "normal" human beings
> do crimes to satiate their basic instincts. They just use religions as
> good excuse. The robbed gold and other material goods, did they give
> it away to their churches? Some of it, sure. The rest was just quickly
> shuffled to their own pockets.
>
> Ditto with atheists doing crimes for the advancement of humanity.
>
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> Tomasz Rola
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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-21 Thread John Clark

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 5:28 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

*> The Christians are good. If millions followed Adolf, millions more
> fought to defeat him and his followers.*

Every single one of the soldiers in Hitler's army, Navy and Air Force were
Christians, and most of them were very devout Christians as were the guards
in the concentration camps who pushed the inmates into ovens. And the
bedrock of Nazism was antisemitism, but if religion did not exist then Jews
wouldn't exist and neither would Christians, there would just be people.

> *White people enslaved Blacks, but white people also liberated them.*
> [...] Hitler would never have gotten to do the mass murdering without
> working with the liberals friend, Joe Stalin.
>

Mr. Spudboy, your silliness is reaching supernova proportions.

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-21 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List

The Christians are good. If millions followed Adolf, millions more fought to 
defeat him and his followers. 
They done good. White people enslaved Blacks, but white people also liberated 
them. 
Hitler would never have gotten to do the mass murdering without working with 
the liberals friend ,Joe Stalin. They both agreed to invade Poland and start 
the holocaust, as historian Timothy Snyder has illuminated.August 1939.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/oct/05/holocaust-secondworldwar

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From: Lawrence Crowell 
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Subject: Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold 
Threat of CO2]

On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 4:12:50 PM UTC-5 Tomasz Rola wrote:

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 04:20:51PM -0700, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
> Nobody said the solar storm had anything to do with climate change. As for 
> the wild fires it is the case they are adding to the 55 billion tons of CO2 
> entered into the atmosphere by fossil fuels. 
> 
> You follow what I notice of Christians. Jesus said to give up wealth to the 
> poor. However, Christians most often align with the most wealthy and 
> powerful. You are a religious shill for the oil companies. Remember that 
> little bit in Matthew where Jesus said though you professed my name etc, 
> when the kingdom comes I will not know you. It is the same with all 
> Christian Churches, they all align with fascistic power. All but one 
> Christian Church aligned with Adolf Hitler and the Nazis, which was the 
> Jehovah's Witnesses. Most Christians are just dirty fascists, and if Jesus 
> does exists (which I strongly doubt) he will probably say "I don't know 
> you."
> 
> LC

Perhaps you can explain how come Christians were going along with
Adolf when he sent them in droves (milions, literally) to
concentration camps?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_Martyrs_of_World_War_II

You are free to like and dislike religion, churches and believers, but
distorting description of reality to make it more like you would like
it to be, is going to fail.

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Regards,
Tomasz Rola

Sure, there were religious leaders who opposed Nazism, such as the Lutheran 
theologian who wrote "First they came for ... ." I cannot remember his name off 
hand. There were others, but look at the preponderance. Consider in the United 
States the role of fundamentalists and evangelicals. They are almost lockstep 
with Don-the-Con t'Rump, who is America's "big pela-man" and cult leader, just 
as were Mussolini and Hitler. Religion is largely about do not ask questions, 
obey your leaders and pay what you owe your religious leaders (tithes etc) and 
masters. It is a perfect conditioning system for a compliant population under 
fascism.
LC 

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Re: Christian Adolf and adolfic Christians [was: Re: What Threshold Threat of CO2]

2022-08-21 Thread John Clark

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 2:56 PM Tomasz Rola  wrote:

> *> crimes are not being done to satiate religious feelings (except,
> perhaps, satanism) - "normal" human beingsdo crimes to satiate their basic
> instincts*

What evidence do you have that the above statement is true? I don't think
you have any, but it's very easy to find evidence that Osama bin Laden did
what he did for religious reasons, all you need to do is look at just about
anything he ever said or wrote in his life. Even George W. Bush said he
ordered the invasion of Iraq because an invisible man in the sky told him
to. I can't think of a reason I should disregard all that and not take what
they said at face value, but I think both men would've been far less
dangerous if they didn't really mean what they said, but unfortunately they
did. Both were sincere but sincerity is a vastly overrated virtue.

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