[FairfieldLife] Re: Bailout failure
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Democrats only needed 12 more votes to pass the bill. 95 Democrats voted no. If Nancy really wanted to she could have gotten those votes and passed the bill even without the Republicans. Instead she made a partisan speech and pissed them off. In my opinion she tanked the bill on purpose and now the raging masses won't blame the Democrats when our economy collapses because they tried. Instead the Republicans can take the blame and McCain can be painted as a weak leader because he couldn't muster enough votes from his party. Meanwhile, Obama says call me if you need me and I'll keep in touch on my BlackBerry. Some kind of leadership, I'd say. IMO he flunked his first critical challenge as leader of the Democratic Party. Putz. Congress fiddles while America burns. NBD, but it's somewhat ironic, or stuff, that the word 'nero' in Finnish means, well, 'genius'! LOL!
[FairfieldLife] 'Brahman's Joke on the Market'
SEven SEven Seven...777 777 777 777 Lucky, huh?
[FairfieldLife] 'It's All About Interest, stupid!'
In the old days, the old Jewish Law... Was that you were not to charge interest on money lent. So, perhaps the grand days of interest on interest is gone, forever... People have wised up, on this Interest thing. Interest on interest started with during the 'Reagan Years', and MBA mentality Learning skilled ways of charging interest on interest... Interest...but whose interest, my house, your house, their houses. Why can't we lend money for no interest...how would that work. This is what we have done with the Banks, we loan them money at no interest. This is what we do with the Saudi's, we give them money with no interest. This is what we do with the military, we give them money with no interest. ~It's All About Interest, Stupid! R.G.
[FairfieldLife] New Crop Circle in maize, Avebury Down, England , 28/9 2008
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[FairfieldLife] 'Which American Admin./Trained OOsamma'
Answer: The REagan AdministratiOn... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the official word on the financial crisis?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we are close to the Second Coming, the Rapture, the sustained appearance of Maitreya, the Islamic Mahdi (Muslims believe the Mahdi will rid the world of error, injustice and tyranny alongside Jesus.), the Jewish Messiah, sustained flying, Peace on Earth .. . Indeed ! Who is Maitreya? He has been expected for generations by all of the major religions. Christians know him as the Christ, and expect his imminent return. Jews await him as the Messiah; Hindus look for the coming of Krishna; Buddhists expect him as Maitreya Buddha; and Muslims anticipate the Imam Mahdi or Messiah. Although the names are different, many believe that they all refer to the same individual: the World Teacher, whose personal name is Maitreya (pronounced my-tray-ah). Preferring to be known simply as the Teacher, Maitreya has not come as a religious leader, or to found a new religion, but as a teacher and guide for people of every religion and those of no religion. At this time of great political, economic and social crisis Maitreya will inspire humanity to see itself as one family, and create a civilization based on sharing, economic and social justice, and global cooperation. He will launch a call to action to save the millions of people who starve to death every year in a world of plenty. Among Maitreya's recommendations will be a shift in social priorities so that adequate food, housing, clothing, education, and medical care become universal rights. Under Maitreya's inspiration, humanity itself will make the required changes and create a saner and more just world for all. http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] New Crop Circle in maize, Avebury Down, England , 28/9 2008
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Father, Son and Holy Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always felt, that there must be a mirror image of the Holy Trinity... Sort of like the Yin, Yang of Taoist philosophy and what transpired with Sri Buddha. So, we have the Father, Son and Holy Spirit on one side. And on the other dark little corner- The notorious- (snip) Anyway, back to my original point... In this mirror image of Yin and Yang, applied to the Holy Trinity. Father or Brahm, he is the infinite source of all love and all life, and all expansion. Son or Vishnu, he is the infinite expression of the Divine Father, here on earth...he is satisfied just to be here to love all fellow humans on the path. Holy Spirit or Shiva, he is the great purifier, the expression of Transcendental Pure Consciousness, The Light with burns away the darkness Now, the opposites: Lucifer, he has Archangel status, so he is the elite of the elite, and brings fear to all who approach. He intimidates all the other entities through death or threat of death, and uses fear to destroy Brahms creation. Satan, she tempts all ones to be lost to Lucifer's power, on earth. She uses sex mostly to drive men to lust and greed. She accompanies was sent to earth to help Lucifer carry out his wicked mission. And finally enough, there's Beeazabub, he is the numb one, the opposite of the Holy Spirit, who bring the Light to Wake everyone up... Rather, he is the spirit of alcohol, of all of the dullness, that is the walking dead...he follows along the with Satan, and helps the work of Lucifer, by dulling people out, deadening feelings through violence, and other confusions and contusions of the Soul... So, this is the battle that has been going on for some time, now... And it is coming to a crescendo~! This is what the Dead Sea Scrolls were speaking of when the Sons of Light would challenge the darkness, this is what is happening now. The various darkness, or lower vibratory influences that have been holding the people in these lower places of fear and trepidation, are coming to an end...the dark is being revealed by the light. Something about love, will over power this lower vibration, because love is a higher vibration, so this is the way out. Witness to Love. It is up to you, you, you and you! R.G. 108m Obama~Biden '08
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the official word on the financial crisis?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any word from Messrs. Morris or Hagelin regarding the current state of world finance? Given the high dome numbers, I would think the University would be positioning the trouble as what in natural healthcare is called a healing crisis - an intensification of the ills that are on their way out. They're probably analyzing the attempt to steal trillions of dollars from Americans, formulating how to run the same number once they accept the fact that most of the TMO's money was stolen by Maharishi's relatives, and that the TMO is going to require a similar bailout to keep going. Call this a prediction, if you want...
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Special Message for Investors and the Fairfield Community/Lou Valentino
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Financial Crisis/A Window of Opportunity By Lou Valentino . . . I will give investors some free information regarding dates when the markets will be unstable. And people said there were no positive aspects to the financial crisis. Here's one -- Lou is actually charging what his services are worth. :-) Of course, it's just a loss leader to get you to pay him for other useless services. On the whole, Shemp was more ethical when he reacted to the slumping markets by trying to sell us all insurance as the only stable investment, two days before AIG went belly up. But both are displaying IMO the same mindset: What's in this 'crisis' that I can personally make money from, using time- proven scare tactics? The larger issue in my opinion, however, has to do with the phrase I keep bringing up here on FFL lately -- What you focus on you become. What IS it about TMers and other long-term supposedly-spiritual seekers that leaves them so focused on apocalypse stories, on predic- tions of doom and gloom? Remember all the pre- dictions of war and worse that were used to raise capital and inspire people to come to Fairfield and bounce on their butts for peace? One of the teachers I worked with was of the opinion that this mindset was just another instance of self importance -- I am SO important that all these history-making and earth-shaking events are going to happen in my lifetime. I hold very little of what that teacher said to be accurate and useful, but his insight is IMO right on in this case. The TMO aims its fund-raising efforts at the very same self-important-I-am-the-center-of- the-universe mentality that the politicians and the financial rapists on Wall Street do. Rather than discourage this focus on doom and gloom, they use it shamelessly to raise capital. And that's the way it is in the world of spir- itual practice, September 30, 2008. Good night and good luck.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: with all respect, Mr. Vaj, you appear to be stretching the facts to fit your own bias. You use words like largely and Many and none of which, and associate enlightenment among TM practitioners as ranting. This post of yours seems more about confirming your bias, which appears to be that you don't care for TM (fair enough), than sharing any actual information. Vaj was never interested in propagating actual information. Vaj, and The Turq, are here to spread misinformation about TM or anything else that actually works. Largely due to an inferiority complex towards real experience versus their outdated Buddhist practises. Seeing how MMY believed that the BUddha taught TM, that's an odd thing to say. Lawson Can't recall Maharishi ever say that, though He always spoke very highly of the Buddha.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nabby off his golden rocker
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From a friend: Friends, I have been reading feverishly these past several months as our markets have entered turbulent times. The financial crisis America finds itself immersed in is summarized by the author below and echoed by more than a handful of market experts who publish respected newsletters. If all these fools, commonly called The Public, had followed Maharishis advice to buy gold when it was under 200 an ounce they would not go bankrupt enmasse today. Oh, really? Maharishi said to buy gold back in '78? Cause that's the last time it was under $200/ounce... Correct, and they would have increased their value by more than 400% as of today if they followed His advice. Quite a few people did and can relax now. Predictions is that gold could hit 3000 by the end of the year.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bailout failure
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Brian Horsfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bailout bill failed today. This is very positive that caution is prevailing over interfering. I don't like fear based manipulation in politics. Those that say the sky will fall in unless we empower our government to hold it up. The best summary I saw was Ron Paul saying we need oversight of the Federal Reserve which caused the problem by reducing interest rates. Natural law is not fear based. See Paul's speech today at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBVB1Uc0nkoe I'm going to agree here even though I think that Natural law is a crock of horseshit. The flow of life -- call it Tao or dharma or just life -- is definitely NOT fear-based. Except for those who respond better to fear than they do positivity, that is. Isn't it fascinating that the person on this forum who most likes to characterize herself as rational and with her feet placed firmly on the ground was the one who was most moti- vated by FEAR when pontificating about this financial crisis. As always, she looked out at the world through the rose-colored glasses of her own confirmation bias, and chose to consider experts only the people who pandered to her personal fear of not being able to pay her rent the most. And those fears might be realized; the world really might go to hell in a handbasket. Or not. Only time will tell. She certainly will not, and cannot. The only thing she and others like her who buy into FEAR as their motivating factor and then view the world through that FEAR are is pundits for FEAR, not pundits for anything approaching knowledge. Very few on this forum have IMO reacted with some equanimity and balance to all of this orgy of manufactured fear and manufactured outrage. When it comes to anyone having so- called credibility in the future with regard to their insights and their predictions, I think it would be good to rememeber them and not the ones who responded to the first The sky is falling speech they saw by running around like Chicken Little.
[FairfieldLife] 'How Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld got evil'
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 3:10 AM I watched this documentary tonight, on the taxi driver that was killed... And all the torture, and stuff the bush administration is into So, I was thinking, gee wizz, these guy's are really, like they said: evil. Watching all the old tapes and takes, what you put your attention on grows... So, they were saying how evil 'they were' those evil ones' and so on... And they became so bd thmslves, really bad boys, these guy's became, Kind of sad, don't you think? R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine wants to have a date chosen for something. She's looking for a competent jyotishi who might do this for free. Any takers? First she should have a checking and meditate regularily for awhile. This will increase her creativity and her income so she will not have to BEG for free consultations. In the sorry state she seems to be in at the moment she does not deserve a reading from a competent jyotishji.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Its the War Stupid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: off_world_beings wrote: Its the trillion+ dollars wasted in Iraq that did it. The 'war' caused the current mortgage credit crises? This doesn't even make any sense! You are very stupid. Imagine if the illegal Iraq war had never been undertaken. One trillion dollars extra would be floating around the US economy with nothing to do except boost the whole economy on all levels. The result?...no-foreclosures, no bad debts, continuing moderate real-estate equity rise nationwide. You have to be incredibly stupid not to see this. OffWorld Will, given that the money was borrowed from others, I don't think that that is so. What you COULD claim is that people are uncomfortable loaning the USA MORE money, but even that is probably overly simplistic. No, the war drained any possibility of a thriving economy. The money is borrowed and the government has no more money to boost economy. That money borrowed for the war has maxed your country out (and that in turn affected many other countries -- in the short term at least...it won't last), and this affected interest rates antionwide, which affected business, jobs, cost of living in general. But there are already many direct costs from the Iraq war to the country and to the individual states that has taken a deep toll as money spent that could have been spent elsewhere. Add to that that the cost of oil has gone up 100 dollars a barrel since the war began, and you have a trillion dollar DIRECT cost to the economy, here and now. Affecting businesses and spending by the 70% main block of the economy -- the consumer. Its the war. Eh, the price of oil probably is NOT connected to the Iraqi War in any significant way. Lol...nice sentence but irrational, and without explanation. And... the US borrowing money, by itself, souldn't cause such a huge, drastic downturn by itself anyway. The more likely cluprit, IMHO, is the housing bubble burst, which started earlier than it might have otherwise have due to oil speculation which boosted teh oil prices by a huge amount in the past year or so. We're still not nearly as in-debt on the governmental level as we have been at some points in our past, GDP-percent-wise. You need to think it through. At no other time in history has the US dollar been at such risk. China OWNS alot of dollars and if they (and/or) OPEC, decide to stop trading in dollars then the dollar shall crash. Oh...and guess what...many of the major manufacturers (eg. shipbuilders) no longer accept US dollars from any country. They only accept Euros This is a new event, never occured before. And as everyone knows OPEC has considered dropping the dollar. (Note: Europe's economy is larger than the US economy, and Europe is not in debt. I mighht have to join Turq. in Portugal :-) (The reason the US props up the Saudi Arabian dictatorship is because they agree to trade in dollars. When Saddam Hussein dropped the dollar for trading oil, immediately the US invaded. Now Iran as dropped the dollar and the US wants to invade, but they don't have alot of money or military to do so, so Cheney and many other criminals are trying REAL HARD to think of a way to get to war with Iran.) Never before in history has the dollar been at such risk. This is a hitorically unique period, your reasoning is simplistic. OffWorld Lawson
[FairfieldLife] 'Homosexuality and the Sacred'
I was thinking about this all day, since I was criticized for being prejudiced in some way against the gays and lezbos. Anyway, I was thinking, that how can we take them seriously as being Sacred, As they do in the marriage ceremony, when two are made one, in Unity. And then children are created out of this Divine Union of two souls through eternity. How can this be sacred, and then watch the gay pride parades, and then try to juxtapose, Those two images, for me, it just don't work. Now, I just love Elton John, but the whole thing is his act...his shtick. Everyone has some kind of shtick I guess, but then there's the Sacred. Our culture now, has regarded the market as sacred. Money as sacred, like an insurance policy on the future. They don't really believe in God, but they definitely do believe in money. This is common sense Now, the gay culture, is completely bought into this materialism, at least that's what I had heard from one queer who was having trouble getting some change. $$$ In Seattle...all you needed there was a position at Microsoft, and you were in. I think half of Seattle is gay, actually. Ron Reagan, the presidents son, is an avowed atheist...he's got his radio show there. I just don't know...because I've been called gay myself, perhaps that's it.. Or, because I've been brainwashed to believe in the ideal marriage, and the eternity thing Bottom line is the bath houses, and the materialism, and all the fuss with feathers and such. It's all such an act. Basically, I just don't get it. (Hey Archie, Oh, Edith...ya know them queers, out there on the left coast there, Edith...well I was thinkin...they should send them all back to Africa, ya know Edith.) R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Its the War Stupid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is the housing bubble burst,which started earlier than it might have otherwise have due to oil speculation House prices started a downward trend in 2006, just before JH claimed the invincibility assembly would put the stock market on a permanent upswing. By then it was pretty clear that the market would tank as the housing bubble slowly deflated. The reason for the bubble is simply that the dollar is the world's reserve currency even though the US economy and psychology is decoupled from what's going on in the rest of the world. Those are very good points. I was going to talk about the psycological effects (in the major trading partners ) of the Neocon pre-emptive illegal warmongering in an earlier post. That is part of the point. Every country in the world is watching how a country that spends more on its military than all the others combined, is going to fare at this junture in history. Therefore money was flowing into investments in the the US which would have been better invested elsewhere. I think if a trillion dollars had not been written off for Iraq, then some of that creditworthiness of the US could have been put into creating new jobs and whole new industries in green technologies. When people realized their investments weren't worth what they thought they were the money stopped coming in. This sort of thing happens all the time it's just that because the size of the imbalance is so big it takes a big crisis to start correcting it. Already the Gulf states are getting ready to start their own currency which isn't going to be pegged to the dollar. When that happens it'll start a rush of countries loosening their dollar pegs and it might mean that oil will be priced in whatever the Gulf currency is called. Eventually the dollar won't be the world's reserve currency. Exactly. As US dominance declines there will be lots of earthquakes like this, people have to come to terms with the fact that all the growth is happening in countries with lots of young people, highly educated young people at that. The US is dangerously close to electing someone who represents the lack of education and intelligence of the population. If that happens the decline of the US as a world power will be accelerated. The market turbulence is just a small part of it. One positive is that the European economy is bigger than the US economy, and as far as I know Europe is not in debt. Europe being a major trading partner of the US will bouy the US up again eventually.
[FairfieldLife] '$+Market falLs Oil falLs, Too!'
PERTH (Reuters) - Oil fell by more than $2.00 a barrel on Tuesday, extending losses after slumping almost 10 percent in the previous session, as fear gripped financial markets in the wake of U.S. lawmakers' shock rejection of a $700 billion rescue plan. if(window.yzq_d==null)window.yzq_d=new Object(); window.yzq_d['SMjKGUwNBkA-']='U=13fbd9foo%2fN%3dSMjKGUwNBkA-%2fC%3d679462.12970947.13224644.1442997%2fD%3dLREC%2fB%3d5484571%2fV%3d1'; Asian stocks chalked up the biggest monthly decade in more than a decade and Japan's Nikkei share average ended down 4.1 percent at a three-year low. Major European markets open down as much as 2 percent, according to bookmakers. U.S. light crude for November delivery fell $2.50 to $93.87 a barrel by 703 GMT, after losing $10.52 on Monday to $96.37 -- the second biggest fall since April 23, 2003. London Brent crude was down $2.50 at $91.48. It was a surprise that Congress rejected the bailout and it's just reinforcing the belief that the U.S. economy is really heading towards a downward spiral. That means the demand side of the equation for oil will deteriorate rapidly, said Toby Hassall, chief analyst at Commodity Warrants Australia in Sydney. It's just getting worse and worse and no one knows when this is going to end. Oil has fallen about 35 percent since its $147 peak in mid-July, amid signs that high energy prices and the U.S. financial crisis have cut into crude demand in the United States and other industrialised nations. In addition, oil has also been dragged down as investors, who had rushed into commodities earlier this year as a hedge against inflation and the weak dollar, sold crude for safer havens. The House voted 228-205 to reject the bailout bill, which would have authorized the Treasury Department to purchase broken mortgage-backed bonds from banks with the goal of jump-starting stalled capital markets. Analysts said the spread of credit problems to Europe was also stoking fears that the financial turmoil, which started with risky lending to the overheated U.S. property market, had gone rapidly global. Slower international economic growth is bound to dent oil demand, said David Moore, a commodities analyst at the Commonwealth Bank of Australia. Separately, oil and gas production in the Gulf of Mexico continued to increase on Monday as companies brought their facilities back on line after Hurricane Ike, the Minerals Management Service said. Some 48 percent of U.S. oil production in the Gulf of Mexico and 47.4 percent of the region's natural gas output remained shut, down from 57.4 percent and 52.8 percent respectively on Friday.
[FairfieldLife] 'Free Popcorn @ Taxi to the Dark Side'
“Taxi to the Dark Side” (9 p.m., HBO): “Taxi to the Dark Side”~ Absolutely Wrenching Published:Monday, September 29, 2008 “Taxi to the Dark Side” (9 p.m., HBO): “Taxi to the Dark Side” is a wrenching documentary with heavy relevance for Election Year 2008 and beyond. The title refers to an innocent young Afghan taxi driver named Dilawar who was killed while being held in Bagram prison in 2002. And it refers to a statement from Vice President Dick Cheney a few days after the 9/11 attacks: “We also have to work the dark side, if you will,” he said, describing U.S. strategy for bringing terrorists to justice. The film examines highly questionable interrogation practices used by U.S. military guards on prisoners in Bagram, Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. Written, produced, directed and narrated by Alex Gibney (“Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room”), “Taxi to the Dark Side” won the 2008 Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature and a 2007 Peabody Award, among its many honors.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Free Jyotish Consultation?
Be happy to help. --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Free Jyotish Consultation? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 9:07 PM A friend of mine wants to have a date chosen for something. She’s looking for a competent jyotishi who might do this for free. Any takers?
[FairfieldLife] A Song for Fairfield Life
Ok, this is going to seem weird, one of the Off The Program guys on FFL going out of his way to cheer up the On The Program true-blue TM types, and help them remember what's important and what's not, but hey... shit happens. I had a really shiny, ecstatic meditation this morning, and then logged onto to Fairfield Life and could not help but notice the contrast. And it took me only a few posts to get fed up with reading all the doom-and- gloom predictions and The sky is falling cries coming from the On The Program Chicken Littles in our midst, and I figured that people needed a break. Here it is, in song form, by my man Bruce Cockburn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL4CdHd9ma4 This is one of Bruce's most popular songs, and one of the few that ever made the Top 40. And it made it because it's a HAPPY SONG. But the genesis of the song was anything but happy. Like many, Bruce can be affected by and distracted by the doom-and-gloom Chicken Littles squawking around him. Here is his story of how this song came to be: I have a relative who is involved in one of those kinds of government jobs where they can't say what they do. The part you can say involves monitoring other people's radio trans- missions and breaking codes. At that time China and the Soviet Union were almost at war on their mutual border. And both of them had nuclear capabilities. I had dinner with this relative of mine and he said, 'We could wake up tomorrow to a nuclear war.' Coming from him, it was a serious statement. So I woke up the next morning and it wasn't a nuclear war. [Laughs] It was a real nice day and there was all this good stuff going on and I had a dream that night which is the dream that is referred to in the first verse of the song, where there were lions at the door, but they weren't threatening, it was kind of a peaceful thing. And it reflected a previous dream that was a real nightmare where the lions were threatening. -- from Closer to the Light with Bruce Cockburn by Paul Zollo, SongTalk, vol. 4, issue 2, 1994 The first two lines of Bruce's song say everything I am hoping to remind people of by sharing this song with them: Sun's up, uh huh, looks okay The world survives into another day Don't fall for the doom-and-gloom talk, *especially* when it comes from people who have been practicing meditation for 3-4 decades and are still spouting doom and gloom. Trust the meditation itself, and that clear, calm eternity that it enables you to merge with. Eternity abides, and you abide with it, no matter what the day brings when the sun comes up. What will happen will happen no matter what state of mind you bring to it. But if you buy into the state of mind that these doom-and-gloomers are trying to sell you, you might just miss an awesome sunrise. Wondering Where The Lions Are written 12 January 1979. Ottawa, Canada Sun's up, uh huh, looks okay The world survives into another day And I'm thinking about eternity Some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me I had another dream about lions at the door They weren't half as frightening as they were before But I'm thinking about eternity Some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me Walls windows trees, waves coming through You be in me and I'll be in you Together in eternity Some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me Up among the firs where it smells so sweet Or down in the valley where the river used to be I got my mind on eternity Some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me And I'm wondering where the lions are... I'm wondering where the lions are... Huge orange flying boat rises off a lake Thousand-year-old petroglyphs doing a double take Pointing a finger at eternity I'm sitting in the middle of this ecstasy Young men marching, helmets shining in the sun, Polished as precise like the brain behind the gun (Should be!) they got me thinking about eternity Some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me And I'm wondering where the lions are... I'm wondering where the lions are... Freighters on the nod on the surface of the bay One of these days we're going to sail away, going to sail into eternity some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me And I'm wondering where the lions are... I'm wondering where the lions are...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:02 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Seeing how MMY believed that the BUddha taught TM, that's an odd thing to say. Lawson Can't recall Maharishi ever say that, though He always spoke very highly of the Buddha. The MIU curriculum used to claim the Surangama sutra was talking about TM. Bevan Morris even gives a (horrendous) lecture on it. Mahesh also claimed that one of the surest ways to block awakening was to be dabble with celestial beings.
[FairfieldLife] 'For Wall St.~ ''Let Them Eat Nickels'
'Follow the yellow brick road(go with your heart)(don't forget, it's all maya)(1 + 1 = 3) 'Let Go and Let God' Forgiving is the most powerful thing, you can do for yourself. Love and fear cannot coexist spontaneously together. R.G.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:58 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: how many measurements would you like to take? Since Pure Consciousness is unmanifest(we are talking about -pure consciousness- aren't we?), all that we can measure with instruments is one or another particular correlates of pure consciousness, and since the state of pure consciousness as experienced by the awareness is continuous and without boundaries, beyond time and space, which correlate do you want to measure? It is a waste of time if you ask me. Even if you believe pure consciousness is unmanifest, it still has to interact with a relative human nervous system.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wachovia Bank and the Smell of Socialism
...click on each of of the name boxes on the [Muckety] chart and learn more about these people who are attempting to control the United States of America. It will certainly help you to understand why Barack Obama is their guy. It's just one big Family Picnic aimed at capitalism, Comrades! Uppity Woman 9/30/08 Herb Sandler and Son-in-Law back Democrats From Muckety Newsletter 1/30/08 Two California groups, Vote Hope http://www.muckety.com/Vote-Hope/5022415.muckety and PowerPac.org http://www.muckety.com/PowerPac-org/5022414.muckety , are drawing national attention, and boisterous complaints from opponents, for their support of Barack Obama's http://www.muckety.com/Barack-Obama/91.muckety run for the presidency. Both are operating outside the Obama campaign as 527 organizations, taking advantage of tax-code provisions that exempt them from federal spending limits. And both were founded by Steve Phillips http://www.muckety.com/Steve-Phillips/88097.muckety , former president of the San Francisco School Board and son-in-law of billionaire banker Herb Sandler http://www.muckety.com/Herbert-Sandler/4182.muckety . Hint: Click in map to explore connectionsStory continues below interactive map [0] http://news.muckety.com/2008/01/30/herb-sandler-and-son-in-law-back-dem\ ocrats/481#jump [Click to activate this MucketyMap] Click to activate the interactive map (requires Java) MAP HINTS: Click expands a name. Control+Click centers map on a name. Solid lines are current relations. Dotted lines are former relations. For advanced tools choose Tools Options from the menu at top. More help http://news.muckety.com/help . Not seeing the maps? Please go here to check http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp?detect=jretry=1 for the latest version of Java http://www.java.com/en/ . See large version of map http://www.muckety.com/BCEFFBFC9F13B918A4C9F4E6C9A599FD.map?autoGroup=7\ ,14big=true | See full screen version of map http://www.muckety.com/BCEFFBFC9F13B918A4C9F4E6C9A599FD.map?autoGroup=7\ ,14full=true | Put this map on your blog http://www.muckety.com/ptmoyb.htm?map=BCEFFBFC9F13B918A4C9F4E6C9A599FD.\ mapautoGroup=7,14 Sandler is one of the lucky ones who cashed out before the mortgage crisis. Wachovia http://www.muckety.com/Wachovia-Corporation/5002029.muckety bought Sandler's company, Golden West Financial http://www.muckety.com/Golden-West-Financial-Corporation/5003465.mucket\ y , for $25.5 billion in October 2006. Forbes estimated his personal worth that year at $1.2 billion. Like his son-in-law, Sandler is an active contributor to Democratic causes. He gave $2.5 million to Moveon.org http://www.muckety.com/MoveOn-org/5008027.muckety in 2004, and has contributed more than $100,000 to the Democratic Senate and congressional committees in recent years. He is also a backer of the Center for American Progress http://www.muckety.com/Center-for-American-Progress/5008021.muckety , a liberal think tank headed by John Podesta http://www.muckety.com/John-Podesta/8565.muckety , Bill Clinton's http://www.muckety.com/William-J-Clinton/1704.muckety former chief of staff. The Sandler Family Supporting Foundation http://www.muckety.com/Sandler-Family-Supporting-Foundation/5022411.muc\ kety has supported medical research, with an emphasis on asthma. It also pledged $15 million to Human Rights Watch http://www.muckety.com/Human-Rights-Watch/5000934.muckety in 2005. Sandler also founded a nonprofit journalism organization called ProPublica http://www.muckety.com/ProPublica/5022418.muckety , which promises to produce truly important stories with moral force. ProPublica, based in Manhattan, is run by former Wall Street Journal managing editor Paul Steiger http://www.muckety.com/Paul-E-Steiger/19829.muckety . Slate's media writer, Jack Shafer, has cast a cynical eye http://www.slate.com/id/2175942/ on the venture, suggesting that most self-made billionaires don't give away pots of money without expecting some control over the results. If I were an editorial writer, Shafer wrote in October, I'd call upon Herbert Sandler to provide ProPublica with 10 years of funding ($100 million), and then resign from his post as the organization's chairman so he'll never be tempted to bollix up what might turn out to be a good thing. Vote Hope and PowerPac.org, meanwhile, are definitely partisan. PowerPac is running TV spots in California, where it is hiring organizers to get out the vote for the Feb. 5 primary. Phillips has said that he hopes to raise $2 million for Vote Hope. The Obama campaign http://www.muckety.com/2008-Barack-Obama-presidential-campaign/5004664.\ muckety on Friday released a letter sent to Phillips on Dec. 28, urging that Vote Hope be disbanded. Phillips declined.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?
On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:06 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: The truth comes out! Apparently Brahmananda Saraswati's cook was the Swami Prakashananda Saraswati! He was arrested on indictments alleging twenty counts of indecency with a child/sexual contact. Aren't the parallels amazing? -a follower of SBS -a low level member of his entourage -sexual escapades -insatiable hunger for wealth, pomp and comforts -assumes grandiose titles/aliases -reports of bliss around him which addict some followers -many blind followers -flees from countries where there are legal problems from crimes. etc.
[FairfieldLife] 'Plan 'B' for the Market!'
What could be a good plan 'B'... for the Market? Just let it Be. Fast, pray, go into Silence, just Be, Witness. Meditate, slow down, use less gas, ride a bike. It needs a serious correction, that's all. What goes up, must come down. Ever here of gravity, it's just the law, sorry. Well, except the Fairfielder's of Iowa But that's a whole other story... R.G. Madison, Wisconsin
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the official word on the financial crisis?
This is the Stranger Comes to Town story (as opposed to the Man Leaves Home story), in its manifestation as the Cavalry to the Rescue story. I wonder if the Stranger in question is really a person, or if it's the Self - Brahman? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Perhaps we are close to the Second Coming, the Rapture, the sustained appearance of Maitreya, the Islamic Mahdi (Muslims believe the Mahdi will rid the world of error, injustice and tyranny alongside Jesus.), the Jewish Messiah, sustained flying, Peace on Earth .. . Indeed ! Who is Maitreya? He has been expected for generations by all of the major religions. Christians know him as the Christ, and expect his imminent return. Jews await him as the Messiah; Hindus look for the coming of Krishna; Buddhists expect him as Maitreya Buddha; and Muslims anticipate the Imam Mahdi or Messiah. Although the names are different, many believe that they all refer to the same individual: the World Teacher, whose personal name is Maitreya (pronounced my-tray-ah). Preferring to be known simply as the Teacher, Maitreya has not come as a religious leader, or to found a new religion, but as a teacher and guide for people of every religion and those of no religion. At this time of great political, economic and social crisis Maitreya will inspire humanity to see itself as one family, and create a civilization based on sharing, economic and social justice, and global cooperation. He will launch a call to action to save the millions of people who starve to death every year in a world of plenty. Among Maitreya's recommendations will be a shift in social priorities so that adequate food, housing, clothing, education, and medical care become universal rights. Under Maitreya's inspiration, humanity itself will make the required changes and create a saner and more just world for all. http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Song for Fairfield Life
Cockburn? Then try Astroglide and http://tinyurl.com/6oaavy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, this is going to seem weird, one of the Off The Program guys on FFL going out of his way to cheer up the On The Program true-blue TM types, and help them remember what's important and what's not, but hey... shit happens. I had a really shiny, ecstatic meditation this morning, and then logged onto to Fairfield Life and could not help but notice the contrast. And it took me only a few posts to get fed up with reading all the doom-and- gloom predictions and The sky is falling cries coming from the On The Program Chicken Littles in our midst, and I figured that people needed a break. Here it is, in song form, by my man Bruce Cockburn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL4CdHd9ma4 This is one of Bruce's most popular songs, and one of the few that ever made the Top 40. And it made it because it's a HAPPY SONG. But the genesis of the song was anything but happy. Like many, Bruce can be affected by and distracted by the doom-and-gloom Chicken Littles squawking around him. Here is his story of how this song came to be: I have a relative who is involved in one of those kinds of government jobs where they can't say what they do. The part you can say involves monitoring other people's radio trans- missions and breaking codes. At that time China and the Soviet Union were almost at war on their mutual border. And both of them had nuclear capabilities. I had dinner with this relative of mine and he said, 'We could wake up tomorrow to a nuclear war.' Coming from him, it was a serious statement. So I woke up the next morning and it wasn't a nuclear war. [Laughs] It was a real nice day and there was all this good stuff going on and I had a dream that night which is the dream that is referred to in the first verse of the song, where there were lions at the door, but they weren't threatening, it was kind of a peaceful thing. And it reflected a previous dream that was a real nightmare where the lions were threatening. -- from Closer to the Light with Bruce Cockburn by Paul Zollo, SongTalk, vol. 4, issue 2, 1994 The first two lines of Bruce's song say everything I am hoping to remind people of by sharing this song with them: Sun's up, uh huh, looks okay The world survives into another day Don't fall for the doom-and-gloom talk, *especially* when it comes from people who have been practicing meditation for 3-4 decades and are still spouting doom and gloom. Trust the meditation itself, and that clear, calm eternity that it enables you to merge with. Eternity abides, and you abide with it, no matter what the day brings when the sun comes up. What will happen will happen no matter what state of mind you bring to it. But if you buy into the state of mind that these doom-and-gloomers are trying to sell you, you might just miss an awesome sunrise. Wondering Where The Lions Are written 12 January 1979. Ottawa, Canada Sun's up, uh huh, looks okay The world survives into another day And I'm thinking about eternity Some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me I had another dream about lions at the door They weren't half as frightening as they were before But I'm thinking about eternity Some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me Walls windows trees, waves coming through You be in me and I'll be in you Together in eternity Some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me Up among the firs where it smells so sweet Or down in the valley where the river used to be I got my mind on eternity Some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me And I'm wondering where the lions are... I'm wondering where the lions are... Huge orange flying boat rises off a lake Thousand-year-old petroglyphs doing a double take Pointing a finger at eternity I'm sitting in the middle of this ecstasy Young men marching, helmets shining in the sun, Polished as precise like the brain behind the gun (Should be!) they got me thinking about eternity Some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me And I'm wondering where the lions are... I'm wondering where the lions are... Freighters on the nod on the surface of the bay One of these days we're going to sail away, going to sail into eternity some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me And I'm wondering where the lions are... I'm wondering where the lions are...
[FairfieldLife] A primer on medical studies
Fairfield Lifers interested in scientific research may enjoy a short article in the New York Times on what constitutes a good medical study. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/health/30stud.html?8dpc or http://tinyurl.com/4nmmg2 Searching for Clarity: A Primer on Medical Studies By GINA KOLATA Published: September 29, 2008 Everyone, it seemed, from the general public to many scientists, was enthralled by the idea that beta carotene would protect against cancer. In the early 1990s, the evidence seemed compelling that this chemical, an antioxidant found in fruit and vegetables and converted by the body to vitamin A, was a key to good health. There were laboratory studies showing how beta carotene would work. There were animal studies confirming that it was protective against cancer. There were observational studies showing that the more fruit and vegetables people ate, the lower their cancer risk. So convinced were some scientists that they themselves were taking beta carotene supplements. Then came three large, rigorous clinical trials that randomly assigned people to take beta carotene pills or a placebo. And the beta carotene hypothesis crumbled. The trials concluded that not only did beta carotene fail to protect against cancer and heart disease, but it might increase the risk of developing cancer. It was the biggest disappointment of my career, said one of the study researchers, Dr. Charles Hennekens, then at Brigham and Women's Hospital. http://tinyurl.com/4nmmg2
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the official word on the financial crisis?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the Stranger Comes to Town story (as opposed to the Man Leaves Home story), in its manifestation as the Cavalry to the Rescue story. Not to mention what I call the Beam me up Scotty approach to enlightenment and/or salvation. The appeal of this story, in whatever form it manifests, is that someone else does the work. I wonder if the Stranger in question is really a person, or if it's the Self - Brahman? Does it matter? The bottom line, as I see it, is an abdication of personal responsibility and a reliance on somebody/something else to make things happen. While I understand that this makes sense if you buy into a philosophy of I am not the doer, I wonder how many who believe in that philosophy ever do anything. In other words, does the belief that there is a Scotty out there somewhere whose *job* it is to beam them up prevent them from noticing that there is a staircase off to the right that could be easily climbed instead of waiting for the Transporter to be invented? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Perhaps we are close to the Second Coming, the Rapture, the sustained appearance of Maitreya, the Islamic Mahdi (Muslims believe the Mahdi will rid the world of error, injustice and tyranny alongside Jesus.), the Jewish Messiah, sustained flying, Peace on Earth .. . Indeed ! Who is Maitreya? He has been expected for generations by all of the major religions. Christians know him as the Christ, and expect his imminent return. Jews await him as the Messiah; Hindus look for the coming of Krishna; Buddhists expect him as Maitreya Buddha; and Muslims anticipate the Imam Mahdi or Messiah. Although the names are different, many believe that they all refer to the same individual: the World Teacher, whose personal name is Maitreya (pronounced my-tray-ah). Preferring to be known simply as the Teacher, Maitreya has not come as a religious leader, or to found a new religion, but as a teacher and guide for people of every religion and those of no religion. At this time of great political, economic and social crisis Maitreya will inspire humanity to see itself as one family, and create a civilization based on sharing, economic and social justice, and global cooperation. He will launch a call to action to save the millions of people who starve to death every year in a world of plenty. Among Maitreya's recommendations will be a shift in social priorities so that adequate food, housing, clothing, education, and medical care become universal rights. Under Maitreya's inspiration, humanity itself will make the required changes and create a saner and more just world for all. http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?
Vaj wrote: Aren't the parallels amazing? -a follower of SBS -a low level member of his entourage -sexual escapades -insatiable hunger for wealth, pomp and comforts -assumes grandiose titles/aliases -reports of bliss around him which addict some followers -many blind followers -flees from countries where there are legal problems from crimes. What's amazing, Vaj, is that your 'Shankaracharya Order' has become a laughing stock. What's even more amazing is that your Buddhist sects have become a laughing stock. So, yes, the parallels are amazing. Probably all the cults you've been joining are run by frauds who go on sexual escapades with an insatiable hunger for wealth, pomp, and comforts. You've been blindly addicted to various cults and cult personalities for almost all of your adult life. Apparently you fled your own country on numerous occasions to bow down to the phonies and give them money. What's up with that? Emperor's Tantric Robes: http://tinyurl.com/3lszjx Godman in the Dock: http://tinyurl.com/4z8oap The Case against Swami Rama of the Himalayas: From: Vaj Subject: Swami Rama Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Tues, Sep 20 2005 6:56 am http://tinyurl.com/4rf2rh A vacant lot as recently as the 19th century: Author: Willytex Subject: Kanchi Mutt Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 02/09/2002 http://tinyurl.com/3tdkrt Desire, devotion, and excess at San Francisco Zen Center: From: Willytex Subject: Shoes outside the door? Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Fri, Jan 2 2004 4:27 pm http://tinyurl.com/3kwfas
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?
On Sep 30, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Aren't the parallels amazing? -a follower of SBS -a low level member of his entourage -sexual escapades -insatiable hunger for wealth, pomp and comforts -assumes grandiose titles/aliases -reports of bliss around him which addict some followers -many blind followers -flees from countries where there are legal problems from crimes. What's amazing, Vaj, is that your 'Shankaracharya Order' has become a laughing stock. What's even more amazing is that your Buddhist sects have become a laughing stock. So, yes, the parallels are amazing. Probably all the cults you've been joining are run by frauds who go on sexual escapades with an insatiable hunger for wealth, pomp, and comforts. You've been blindly addicted to various cults and cult personalities for almost all of your adult life. Apparently you fled your own country on numerous occasions to bow down to the phonies and give them money. What's up with that? Non sequitur. These aren't students of SBS. But yes dear Willy, no sect is immune. My shankaracharya order?
[FairfieldLife] Thinking cap could make you smarter...but at what cost?
Here's an article I found fascinating, given the focusing on the details vs. seeing the big picture discussions that have come up recently. It appears that artificially *increasing* the ability to focus on the small shit and avoid the big picture might have some benefits in terms of triggering savant-like skills. What I wonder is, at what cost? If such a thinking cap could enable you to increase your math skills, but at the cost of being able to see the big picture, would you wear it? For example, one of the things reported in the article is that subjects, after wearing the cap, were able to spot mistakes in text that they had missed the previous day. Cool, if you're an editor, I guess, but do these subjects retain the ability to know what the book they found errors in is really about? Can they still *see* the big picture of it? The 'thinking cap' that could unlock your inner genius and boost creativity http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1064431/The-thinking-cap-unlock-inner-genius-boost-creativity.html or http://tinyurl.com/5xct83
[FairfieldLife] 'Wall St. Crash/1st shall be last'
And the First, Shall, Be, Last... Jesus said...yes? R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Song for Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cockburn? Cockburn is an acquired taste that I somehow never acquired. Then try Astroglide Great stuff!!! and http://tinyurl.com/6oaavy Wow, I learned two new words: hasbian and stromo.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the official word on the financial crisis?
Are we about to segue from Maitreya to a conversation about...could it be? Oh no, say it isn't so. Obama Messiah? http://tinyurl.com/2pfddn --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Perhaps we are close to the Second Coming, the Rapture, the sustained appearance of Maitreya, the Islamic Mahdi (Muslims believe the Mahdi will rid the world of error, injustice and tyranny alongside Jesus.), the Jewish Messiah, sustained flying, Peace on Earth .. . Indeed ! Who is Maitreya? He has been expected for generations by all of the major religions. Christians know him as the Christ, and expect his imminent return. Jews await him as the Messiah; Hindus look for the coming of Krishna; Buddhists expect him as Maitreya Buddha; and Muslims anticipate the Imam Mahdi or Messiah. Although the names are different, many believe that they all refer to the same individual: the World Teacher, whose personal name is Maitreya (pronounced my-tray-ah). Preferring to be known simply as the Teacher, Maitreya has not come as a religious leader, or to found a new religion, but as a teacher and guide for people of every religion and those of no religion. At this time of great political, economic and social crisis Maitreya will inspire humanity to see itself as one family, and create a civilization based on sharing, economic and social justice, and global cooperation. He will launch a call to action to save the millions of people who starve to death every year in a world of plenty. Among Maitreya's recommendations will be a shift in social priorities so that adequate food, housing, clothing, education, and medical care become universal rights. Under Maitreya's inspiration, humanity itself will make the required changes and create a saner and more just world for all. http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Homosexuality and the Sacred'
Robert, I think the division between the sacred and the profane which you have created in your mind is the source of your difficulty. It's a division many on the spiritual path create for themselves but in reality its all part of the maya and I think you already know that. It's the same division, I believe, that created the problems in the Catholic church: rejected aspects of the personality become more predominant when you try to suppress them. For me the yin and yang symbol describes a whole person very well: a light side, a dark side and a spot of each in the other. My sister a Christian of the Palin variety, who happens to have a gay son, was devastated by the news. It contradicted everything she believed in. And she had all the assumptions that went along with that: gay people are promiscuous, gay people get lots of diseases, gay people aren't spiritual, etc . This created a huge conflict in her mind between what she had been taught about gay people and what she knew her son to be: a very kind and talented young man who loved his mother dearly with a list of accomplishments any mother would envy. One day my sister said to me: You know, when I first found out about it, all I could think about was what he wanted to do in bed. And that's the problem - that's all people think about when the meet a gay person what they want to do in bed. But it's not about that, its about who they are drawn to love I was the one with the problem. FYI: I happen to live near a large city that has gay bath houses, and yes people do go there. There is also an equally busy heterosexual bathhouse that been in operation since the 60's. The interesting thing is, when you meet a straight person, the first thing that comes to mind isn't where they go or what they do in bed is it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bottom line is the bath houses, and the materialism, and all the fuss with feathers and such. It's all such an act. Basically, I just don't get it. (Hey Archie, Oh, Edith...ya know them queers, out there on the left coast there, Edith...well I was thinkin...they should send them all back to Africa, ya know Edith.) R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the official word on the financial crisis?
Comments interleaved below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: This is the Stranger Comes to Town story (as opposed to the Man Leaves Home story), in its manifestation as the Cavalry to the Rescue story. Not to mention what I call the Beam me up Scotty approach to enlightenment and/or salvation. The appeal of this story, in whatever form it manifests, is that someone else does the work. Misapplied, yes, someone else does the work, but when the story is told well, someone comes to the rescue, enabling the Hero to continue doing his or her work. Dobby helps Harry Potter here and there, but Harry still has to do the work. I wonder if the Stranger in question is really a person, or if it's the Self - Brahman? Does it matter? Well, yeah, it does matter. Because a story about some other person saving us is different from some hitherto-unnoticed aspect of ourselves coming to the rescue. One is external, the other, internal. The bottom line, as I see it, is an abdication of personal responsibility and a reliance on somebody/something else to make things happen. While I understand that this makes sense if you buy into a philosophy of I am not the doer, I wonder how many who believe in that philosophy ever do anything. In other words, does the belief that there is a Scotty out there somewhere whose *job* it is to beam them up prevent them from noticing that there is a staircase off to the right that could be easily climbed instead of waiting for the Transporter to be invented? That's what I'm getting at - the Self is there all the time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the official word on the financial crisis?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the Stranger Comes to Town story (as opposed to the Man Leaves Home story), in its manifestation as the Cavalry to the Rescue story. I wonder if the Stranger in question is really a person, or if it's the Self - Brahman? Both obviously. Brahman with legs. Heaven will walk on earth, in this generation. - Maharishi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Perhaps we are close to the Second Coming, the Rapture, the sustained appearance of Maitreya, the Islamic Mahdi (Muslims believe the Mahdi will rid the world of error, injustice and tyranny alongside Jesus.), the Jewish Messiah, sustained flying, Peace on Earth .. . Indeed ! Who is Maitreya? He has been expected for generations by all of the major religions. Christians know him as the Christ, and expect his imminent return. Jews await him as the Messiah; Hindus look for the coming of Krishna; Buddhists expect him as Maitreya Buddha; and Muslims anticipate the Imam Mahdi or Messiah. Although the names are different, many believe that they all refer to the same individual: the World Teacher, whose personal name is Maitreya (pronounced my-tray-ah). Preferring to be known simply as the Teacher, Maitreya has not come as a religious leader, or to found a new religion, but as a teacher and guide for people of every religion and those of no religion. At this time of great political, economic and social crisis Maitreya will inspire humanity to see itself as one family, and create a civilization based on sharing, economic and social justice, and global cooperation. He will launch a call to action to save the millions of people who starve to death every year in a world of plenty. Among Maitreya's recommendations will be a shift in social priorities so that adequate food, housing, clothing, education, and medical care become universal rights. Under Maitreya's inspiration, humanity itself will make the required changes and create a saner and more just world for all. http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Homosexuality and the Sacred'
Feathers? Did someone say feather? I LOVE feathers! Elton John loves feathers. Robert loves Elton John. Does that mean Robert loves feathers? Oh plleeez Robert, that is so gay. I am so happy for you that you are getting in touch with your inner queer...enjoy it dearie, you have a lot to learn. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking about this all day, since I was criticized for being prejudiced in some way against the gays and lezbos. Anyway, I was thinking, that how can we take them seriously as being Sacred, As they do in the marriage ceremony, when two are made one, in Unity. And then children are created out of this Divine Union of two souls through eternity. How can this be sacred, and then watch the gay pride parades, and then try to juxtapose, Those two images, for me, it just don't work. Now, I just love Elton John, but the whole thing is his act...his shtick. Everyone has some kind of shtick I guess, but then there's the Sacred. Our culture now, has regarded the market as sacred. Money as sacred, like an insurance policy on the future. They don't really believe in God, but they definitely do believe in money. This is common sense Now, the gay culture, is completely bought into this materialism, at least that's what I had heard from one queer who was having trouble getting some change. $$$ In Seattle...all you needed there was a position at Microsoft, and you were in. I think half of Seattle is gay, actually. Ron Reagan, the presidents son, is an avowed atheist...he's got his radio show there. I just don't know...because I've been called gay myself, perhaps that's it.. Or, because I've been brainwashed to believe in the ideal marriage, and the eternity thing Bottom line is the bath houses, and the materialism, and all the fuss with feathers and such. It's all such an act. Basically, I just don't get it. (Hey Archie, Oh, Edith...ya know them queers, out there on the left coast there, Edith...well I was thinkin...they should send them all back to Africa, ya know Edith.) R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Song for Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, this is going to seem weird, one of the Off The Program guys on FFL going out of his way to cheer up the On The Program true-blue TM types, and help them remember what's important and what's not, but hey... shit happens. Respectfully Mr. TurquoiseB, if doom and gloom are not important to you, why are you focused on it to the point of reminding others what to do with it, how to deal with it, etc.? It would seem to me that someone with a balanced view would not be bothered by the contrast between a good meditation and what he or she finds in the world. It appears as if you are using the mask of compassion and/or teaching others to satisfy your own feelings in this regard; i.e. that focusing on the happy stuff is important, and focusing on doom and gloom is not desirable. I am not questioning your motive to perhaps make others feel better, though your intention seems more aimed at your own well being (to resolve the contrast between your meditation and what you find in the world) than that of others.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's All About Interest, stupid!'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the old days, the old Jewish Law... Was that you were not to charge interest on money lent. So, perhaps the grand days of interest on interest is gone, forever... People have wised up, on this Interest thing. Interest on interest started with during the 'Reagan Years', and MBA mentality Learning skilled ways of charging interest on interest... Interest...but whose interest, my house, your house, their houses. Why can't we lend money for no interest...how would that work. Yeah! Lets make money free. Stands to follow -- Seequweeter style, that the, why stop there. Lets make all things free. Like Nature Man. Mother Nature doesn't charge me nothing for sleeping in the park Man. So Screw The Man! S Grooovy, This is what we have done with the Banks, we loan them money at no interest. This is what we do with the Saudi's, we give them money with no interest. This is what we do with the military, we give them money with no interest. ~It's All About Interest, Stupid! R.G.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?
First she should have a checking and meditate regularily for awhile. This will increase her creativity and her income so she will not have to BEG for free consultations. In the sorry state she seems to be in at the moment she does not deserve a reading from a competent jyotishji. Why do you come to the conclusion that this woman is in a sorry state, Nabby? Only because she's a friend of Rick's? Love will swallow you, eat you up completely until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Tue, 9/30/08, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:16 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine wants to have a date chosen for something. She's looking for a competent jyotishi who might do this for free. Any takers? First she should have a checking and meditate regularily for awhile. This will increase her creativity and her income so she will not have to BEG for free consultations. In the sorry state she seems to be in at the moment she does not deserve a reading from a competent jyotishji. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Homosexuality and the Sacred'
...I just don't get it. That sums it up for you, Robert. The assumptions you make about gay people are absurd. They are in the league with Blacks are lazy and Jews love money. They're just ignorant. --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Homosexuality and the Sacred' To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:35 AM I was thinking about this all day, since I was criticized for being prejudiced in some way against the gays and lezbos. Anyway, I was thinking, that how can we take them seriously as being Sacred, As they do in the marriage ceremony, when two are made one, in Unity. And then children are created out of this Divine Union of two souls through eternity. How can this be sacred, and then watch the gay pride parades, and then try to juxtapose, Those two images, for me, it just don't work. Now, I just love Elton John, but the whole thing is his act...his shtick. Everyone has some kind of shtick I guess, but then there's the Sacred. Our culture now, has regarded the market as sacred. Money as sacred, like an insurance policy on the future. They don't really believe in God, but they definitely do believe in money. This is common sense Now, the gay culture, is completely bought into this materialism, at least that's what I had heard from one queer who was having trouble getting some change. $$$ In Seattle...all you needed there was a position at Microsoft, and you were in. I think half of Seattle is gay, actually. Ron Reagan, the presidents son, is an avowed atheist...he's got his radio show there. I just don't know...because I've been called gay myself, perhaps that's it.. Or, because I've been brainwashed to believe in the ideal marriage, and the eternity thing Bottom line is the bath houses, and the materialism, and all the fuss with feathers and such. It's all such an act. Basically, I just don't get it. (Hey Archie, Oh, Edith...ya know them queers, out there on the left coast there, Edith...well I was thinkin...they should send them all back to Africa, ya know Edith.) R.G.
[FairfieldLife] What Maharishi said about banks
Comments from a wealthy friend of mine: It's interesting reading this below how Maharishi was the one who was more tight with money than anyone I've ever known. I never saw him giving anything to anyone, except maybe Tony Nader where he made that public display of giving his weight in gold, but that was no doubt donated at his request. He was only asking for more money all time even though he controlled probably more than a billion, yet he upbraids others for lack of generosity and compassion. What he writes below displays a lack of understanding for bankers, who are just business people, like any other kind of business. If bankers are to give away their profits, then why not businesses of all types, which certainly is a good idea to give to charity and help others, which he never did on any material level. His fantasy about all the world's probem's being solved in the Age of Enlightenment or Sat yuga, which he spoke of since we were kids and for which he claims credit, along with Guru Dev, continues to be shown to be just that, a fantasy. It's surprising with such a brilliant mind and such wisdom of the Vedas he had these unusual quirks. In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his poverty removal program... On 19 June, during the Conference on Removal of Poverty broadcast live by satellite and the Internet from the Financial Capital of New York, Maharishi gave a strong message to the banks and financial institutions of the world. Maharishi: 'All good things in nature happen naturally. The sun rises naturally, and the darkness of the night disappears naturally. The people of the world do not have to make an effort for the sun to rise, but the dawn every morning is a natural phenomenon. Disappearance of the darkness of the night is a natural phenomenon. 'In the same way, I am inviting the world to witness the removal of poverty in the world-a natural phenomenon. Poverty removal in the world is going to be a natural phenomenon. We have that miraculous turn-key operation from Guru Dev, where everything good is going to be a natural phenomenon. Poverty removal is going to be a natural phenomenon. 'And at this time, if I am asked to speak about it, I can only challenge those who are flowering in wealth. That poverty is not going to be removed by their wealth. I have been talking to some banks and some institutions of financing. They bring out a hundred reasons that they cannot support the [poverty removal] projects because of risk, risk, risk, risk. 'The economy of the world is full of risk element. All the big banks, who are publicized to be the top banks in the world, have billions, trillions every year in their income. Some other bank is number two, other bank number three, other bank number four. When we talk to the banks about poverty removal, they say, God forbid! We can only spend our money where money is. This is a very shameful aspect of the world economy. 'World economy seen in its proper perspective is a shame to human existence, to human endeavour, to human creativity, to the presence of God on earth. All these big banks, very big banks, they can spend only when they see the profit in advance. This is not the area which is going to create freedom from poverty. I am fond of that level which is nothingness, and that I am going to inspire to eliminate poverty in the world. 'In just a matter of a few weeks, a few months, not many years, the world will have freedom from poverty. Dr Hagelin has been emphasizing and has been putting forward the argument that wealth is really the basis of life. Life is bliss. Bliss is fullness, lack of scarcity, good health, good wealth, good wisdom. 'I am inviting this world to witness the reality that is being offered to the world by the great speakers of the Movement. John Hagelin is a champion of that wisdom of the Unified Field. With the onset of the Unified Field, what is going to suffer is the existence of diversity where one has so much wealth and one has no wealth. These are the big differences which are going to be completely eliminated. No one would know how the world was when the differences were predominant. With the dawn, with the first ray of the rising sun, people forget about the darkness of the night. That time has come. 'My programme is to create affluence in the world, that affluence which will not be timid affluence, which will not be afraid. In today's banking systems, there are very wise people, but they are a shame to the world. Today's world economy is a shame to economy. If the world press is listening to me, they should publicize point-blank that I declare the world economy today to be cruel-to be cruel for others and to be cruel to itself. 'They have rejoiced for hundreds of years, taxing the people, and they will invest only where they see the profit in advance. Civilization is completely lost in the field of difference. Now the time is changing. The time
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?
Vaj wrote: These aren't students of SBS. And you're a student of SBS, right? I guess if you're not a student of SBS then you're a troll, right? But yes dear Willy, no sect is immune. So, why pick on Mahesh? My shankaracharya order? Didn't you go to India to sit at the feet of the Shankaracharya and then didn't you join the Order? You name is 'Vaj', right? Vaj wrote: Aren't the parallels amazing? -a follower of SBS -a low level member of his entourage -sexual escapades -insatiable hunger for wealth, pomp and comforts -assumes grandiose titles/aliases -reports of bliss around him which addict some followers -many blind followers -flees from countries where there are legal problems from crimes. What's amazing, Vaj, is that your 'Shankaracharya Order' has become a laughing stock. What's even more amazing is that your Buddhist sects have become a laughing stock. So, yes, the parallels are amazing. Probably all the cults you've been joining are run by frauds who go on sexual escapades with an insatiable hunger for wealth, pomp, and comforts. You've been blindly addicted to various cults and cult personalities for almost all of your adult life. Apparently you fled your own country on numerous occasions to bow down to the phonies and give them money. What's up with that? Non sequitur. So, what's up with your cult?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's All About Interest, stupid!'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: In the old days, the old Jewish Law... Was that you were not to charge interest on money lent. So, perhaps the grand days of interest on interest is gone, forever... People have wised up, on this Interest thing. Interest on interest started with during the 'Reagan Years', and MBA mentality Learning skilled ways of charging interest on interest... Interest...but whose interest, my house, your house, their houses. Why can't we lend money for no interest...how would that work. Yeah! Lets make money free. Stands to follow -- Seequweeter style, that the, why stop there. Lets make all things free. Like Nature Man. Mother Nature doesn't charge me nothing for sleeping in the park Man. So Screw The Man! S Grooovy, And drugs, Man. They should be free. Like not just legal, but free. Pursuit of happiness man. Its right there in the constitution. Big huge garbage cans full of primo bud, man, like on every street cornor. And we should just get rid of money man. Money sucks. Like everyone should just do what they are doing, and take what they need, and leave the rest behind. Like if me and my ol' lady,man, like get tired of sleeping in the park,man, like we can just move into some big ol mansion, like for free, dude -- because -- you know -- there will be no money and its all like free, man. Anything you want is free. And like if Putin marches across the border into Alaska, like dude, we will just put out those huge cans of primo shiva dank bud on the road man. Those russian soldiers will get so stoned, man -- they will only be able to make love not war. Duude! And like no ownership, man. Everything thats mine is yours man. And everything that is yours is like mine. (including that bodacious ol lady of yours). Like it works out kewl man, I own nothing all ready. I am on the vanguard of the revolution man. And I will help you unload your stuff man. You got some groovy things man. So screw The Man, man. And Screw money. Power to the people. We will take whats ours.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/reprint/44/2/133.pdf Whether or not this is real pure consciousness or not, who can say? Lawson Yup, that is the bottom line. All we know is that some transcendental meditators suspend breathing for a period of time, most for some seconds and one person for an entire minute and there is a correlation with a mental experience they describe as pure consciousness. These brief holding periods were not extensive and even untrained healthy people can hold their breath for up to a minute. Because the time periods of apnea were not long, I am not surprised to see no adverse or compensatory effects. I would note:CO2 will accumulate after a period of time. Hyperventilating before holding your breath can minimize that, purging CO2. So, were the meditators doing breathing exercises before their meditation session? If not, it would be an interesting experiment to see if those doing the breathing exercises first had longer breath suspensions. It would be interesting to read accounts of divers who are experienced at apnea. What kind of mental experiences do they have?
Re: [FairfieldLife] What Maharishi said about banks
On Sep 30, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Rick Archer wrote: In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his poverty removal program... (Very long trim...) One thing you have to say for MMY...he never was at a loss for words. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 30, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Rick Archer wrote: In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his poverty removal program... (Very long trim...) One thing you have to say for MMY...he never was at a loss for words. Sal Funniest thing I have ever read here!
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:58 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: how many measurements would you like to take? Since Pure Consciousness is unmanifest(we are talking about -pure consciousness- aren't we?), all that we can measure with instruments is one or another particular correlates of pure consciousness, and since the state of pure consciousness as experienced by the awareness is continuous and without boundaries, beyond time and space, which correlate do you want to measure? It is a waste of time if you ask me. Even if you believe pure consciousness is unmanifest, it still has to interact with a relative human nervous system. If it were unmanifest, how could it interact? The physiological correlates are of a state of consciousness that is sometimes called pure conscousness. Whether or not this has anything to do with some universal unmanifest state is of course, impossible to say, any more than you can prove that miracles are caused by God rather than merely by some higher order creature who can manipulate reality in ways we don't understand. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: A primer on medical studies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fairfield Lifers interested in scientific research may enjoy a short article in the New York Times on what constitutes a good medical study. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/health/30stud.html?8dpc or http://tinyurl.com/4nmmg2 Searching for Clarity: A Primer on Medical Studies By GINA KOLATA Published: September 29, 2008 Everyone, it seemed, from the general public to many scientists, was enthralled by the idea that beta carotene would protect against cancer. In the early 1990s, the evidence seemed compelling that this chemical, an antioxidant found in fruit and vegetables and converted by the body to vitamin A, was a key to good health. There were laboratory studies showing how beta carotene would work. There were animal studies confirming that it was protective against cancer. There were observational studies showing that the more fruit and vegetables people ate, the lower their cancer risk. So convinced were some scientists that they themselves were taking beta carotene supplements. Then came three large, rigorous clinical trials that randomly assigned people to take beta carotene pills or a placebo. And the beta carotene hypothesis crumbled. The trials concluded that not only did beta carotene fail to protect against cancer and heart disease, but it might increase the risk of developing cancer. It was the biggest disappointment of my career, said one of the study researchers, Dr. Charles Hennekens, then at Brigham and Women's Hospital. http://tinyurl.com/4nmmg2 Moral of the story: pre-vitamins are not drugs. If they had taken the supplements along with a bit of naturally occurring beta-carotene as found in fruits or carrots or whatever, I wonder what would have happened? Its entirely possible that the body can't process the substance properly as a pure chemical and needs other chemicals for it to be beneficial. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments from a wealthy friend of mine: It's interesting reading this below how Maharishi was the one who was more tight with money than anyone I've ever known. I never saw him giving anything to anyone, except maybe Tony Nader where he made that public display of giving his weight in gold, but that was no doubt donated at his request. He was only asking for more money all time even though he controlled probably more than a billion, yet he upbraids others for lack of generosity and compassion. What he writes below displays a lack of understanding for bankers, who are just business people, like any other kind of business. If bankers are to give away their profits, then why not businesses of all types, which certainly is a good idea to give to charity and help others, which he never did on any material level. His fantasy about all the world's probem's being solved in the Age of Enlightenment or Sat yuga, which he spoke of since we were kids and for which he claims credit, along with Guru Dev, continues to be shown to be just that, a fantasy. It's surprising with such a brilliant mind and such wisdom of the Vedas he had these unusual quirks. In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his poverty removal program... Banks make money by lending money at interest... Emphasis on MAKE... To suggest that bankers are businessmen in the usual sense of the word is to ignore what bankers do: they MAKE money. There's no reason why they couldn't make money to help the poor even if the investments are risky because, in fact, most of the higher-order instruments that they have created in the past few years, that have gotten us into this mess, are far more risky than what MMY proposed. Oh, and the Raam? No more a ponzi scheme than any other bank note including US treasury bills with President's faces on them. Lawson
Re: [FairfieldLife] What Maharishi said about banks
Maharishi just wanted to get as much money as possible. Why is beyond me. He'd say anything to separate someone or some institution from its money. All this below shows such a poor understanding of financial institutions. --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Maharishi said about banks To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 11:03 AM Comments from a wealthy friend of mine: It's interesting reading this below how Maharishi was the one who was more tight with money than anyone I've ever known. I never saw him giving anything to anyone, except maybe Tony Nader where he made that public display of giving his weight in gold, but that was no doubt donated at his request. He was only asking for more money all time even though he controlled probably more than a billion, yet he upbraids others for lack of generosity and compassion. What he writes below displays a lack of understanding for bankers, who are just business people, like any other kind of business. If bankers are to give away their profits, then why not businesses of all types, which certainly is a good idea to give to charity and help others, which he never did on any material level. His fantasy about all the world's probem's being solved in the Age of Enlightenment or Sat yuga, which he spoke of since we were kids and for which he claims credit, along with Guru Dev, continues to be shown to be just that, a fantasy. It's surprising with such a brilliant mind and such wisdom of the Vedas he had these unusual quirks. In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his poverty removal program... On 19 June, during the Conference on Removal of Poverty broadcast live by satellite and the Internet from the Financial Capital of New York, Maharishi gave a strong message to the banks and financial institutions of the world. Maharishi: 'All good things in nature happen naturally. The sun rises naturally, and the darkness of the night disappears naturally. The people of the world do not have to make an effort for the sun to rise, but the dawn every morning is a natural phenomenon. Disappearance of the darkness of the night is a natural phenomenon. 'In the same way, I am inviting the world to witness the removal of poverty in the world—a natural phenomenon. Poverty removal in the world is going to be a natural phenomenon. We have that miraculous turn-key operation from Guru Dev, where everything good is going to be a natural phenomenon. Poverty removal is going to be a natural phenomenon. 'And at this time, if I am asked to speak about it, I can only challenge those who are flowering in wealth. That poverty is not going to be removed by their wealth. I have been talking to some banks and some institutions of financing. They bring out a hundred reasons that they cannot support the [poverty removal] projects because of risk, risk, risk, risk. 'The economy of the world is full of risk element. All the big banks, who are publicized to be the top banks in the world, have billions, trillions every year in their income. Some other bank is number two, other bank number three, other bank number four. When we talk to the banks about poverty removal, they say, God forbid! We can only spend our money where money is. This is a very shameful aspect of the world economy. 'World economy seen in its proper perspective is a shame to human existence, to human endeavour, to human creativity, to the presence of God on earth. All these big banks, very big banks, they can spend only when they see the profit in advance. This is not the area which is going to create freedom from poverty. I am fond of that level which is nothingness, and that I am going to inspire to eliminate poverty in the world. 'In just a matter of a few weeks, a few months, not many years, the world will have freedom from poverty. Dr Hagelin has been emphasizing and has been putting forward the argument that wealth is really the basis of life. Life is bliss. Bliss is fullness, lack of scarcity, good health, good wealth, good wisdom. 'I am inviting this world to witness the reality that is being offered to the world by the great speakers of the Movement. John Hagelin is a champion of that wisdom of the Unified Field. With the onset of the Unified Field, what is going to suffer is the existence of diversity where one has so much wealth and one has no wealth. These are the big differences which are going to be completely eliminated. No one would know how the world was when the differences were predominant. With the dawn, with the first ray of the rising sun, people forget about the darkness of the night. That time has come. 'My programme is to create affluence in the world, that affluence which will not be
Re: [FairfieldLife] What Maharishi said about banks
On Sep 30, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Peter wrote: Maharishi just wanted to get as much money as possible. Why is beyond me. He'd say anything to separate someone or some institution from its money. Maybe he was secretly Jewish (loved $$), Black, (too lazy to do the work himself, wanted everyone around him to do it all instead) and gay! All this below shows such a poor understanding of financial institutions. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Have a stompin' good time at Navaratri!
Happy Navaratri, everyone. See how the Indians have stompin' good time at their festivals: JAIPUR, India - At least 168 people were killed and 100 injured when thousands of pilgrims stampeded Tuesday at a Hindu temple in the historic town of Jodhpur in western India, officials said. More here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26950301/ Didn't someone say something about Indians being like Americans on drugs?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A primer on medical studies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig wrote: Moral of the story: pre-vitamins are not drugs. If they had taken the supplements along with a bit of naturally occurring beta-carotene as found in fruits or carrots or whatever, I wonder what would have happened? Its entirely possible that the body can't process the substance properly as a pure chemical and needs other chemicals for it to be beneficial. This is my problem with most research on natural healthcare. The studies are poorly designed. I recall research on echinacea some years back which concluded that echinacea was ineffective in treating or preventing colds. But it turns out there are three varieties of echinacea, and the researchers chose the one strain that the natural healing community already knows is ineffective. The real point of this article was to tout longitudinal studies with large populations. When I used to teach TM, I was instructed to present the preliminary TM research as just that - indicative that larger studies would be worthwhile.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What Maharishi said about banks
Dang Sal! You nailed it!!! He was a Black wandering Jew, gay as the day is long. --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] What Maharishi said about banks To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 12:15 PM On Sep 30, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Peter wrote: Maharishi just wanted to get as much money as possible. Why is beyond me. He'd say anything to separate someone or some institution from its money. Maybe he was secretly Jewish (loved $$), Black, (too lazy todo the work himself, wanted everyone around him to do it all instead)and gay! All this below shows such a poor understanding of financial institutions. Sal
[FairfieldLife] The Smell of Socialism
Barack Obama's Stealth Socialism Election '08: Before friendly audiences, Barack Obama speaks passionately about something called economic justice. He uses the term obliquely, though, speaking in code socialist code. By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, July 28, 2008 4:20 PM PT IBD Series: The Audacity Of Socialism http://www.ibdeditorials.com/series8.aspx During his NAACP speech earlier this month, Sen. Obama repeated the term at least four times. I've been working my entire adult life to help build an America where economic justice is being served, he said at the group's 99th annual convention in Cincinnati. And as president, we'll ensure that economic justice is served, he asserted. That's what this election is about. Obama never spelled out the meaning of the term, but he didn't have to. His audience knew what he meant, judging from its thumping approval. It's the rest of the public that remains in the dark, which is why we're launching this special educational series. Economic justice simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism. In the past, such rhetoric was just that rhetoric. But Obama's positioning himself with alarming stealth to put that rhetoric into action on a scale not seen since the birth of the welfare state. In his latest memoir he shares that he'd like to recast the welfare net that FDR and LBJ cast while rolling back what he derisively calls the winner-take-all market economy that Ronald Reagan reignited (with record gains in living standards for all). Obama also talks about restoring fairness to the economy, code for soaking the rich a segment of society he fails to understand that includes mom-and-pop businesses filing individual tax returns. It's clear from a close reading of his two books that he's a firm believer in class envy. He assumes the economy is a fixed pie, whereby the successful only get rich at the expense of the poor. Following this discredited Marxist model, he believes government must step in and redistribute pieces of the pie. That requires massive transfers of wealth through government taxing and spending, a return to the entitlement days of old. Of course, Obama is too smart to try to smuggle such hoary collectivist garbage through the front door. He's disguising the wealth transfers as investments to make America more competitive, he says, or that give us a fighting chance, whatever that means. Among his proposed investments: Universal, guaranteed health care. Free college tuition. Universal national service (a la Havana). Universal 401(k)s (in which the government would match contributions made by low- and moderate-income families). Free job training (even for criminals). Wage insurance (to supplement dislocated union workers' old income levels). Free child care and universal preschool. More subsidized public housing. A fatter earned income tax credit for working poor. And even a Global Poverty Act that amounts to a Marshall Plan for the Third World, first and foremost Africa. His new New Deal also guarantees a living wage, with a $10 minimum wage indexed to inflation; and fair trade and fair labor practices, with breaks for patriot employers who cow-tow to unions, and sticks for nonpatriot companies that don't. That's just for starters first-term stuff. Obama doesn't stop with socialized health care. He wants to socialize your entire human resources department from payrolls to pensions. His social-microengineering even extends to mandating all employers provide seven paid sick days per year to salary and hourly workers alike. You can see why Obama was ranked, hands-down, the most liberal member of the Senate by the National Journal. Some, including colleague and presidential challenger John McCain, think he's the most liberal member in Congress. But could he really be more left, as McCain recently remarked, than self-described socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (for whom Obama has openly campaigned, even making a special trip to Vermont to rally voters)? Obama's voting record, going back to his days in the Illinois statehouse, says yes. His career path and those who guided it leads to the same unsettling conclusion. The seeds of his far-left ideology were planted in his formative years as a teenager in Hawaii and they were far more radical than any biography or profile in the media has portrayed. A careful reading of Obama's first memoir, Dreams From My Father, reveals that his childhood mentor up to age 18 a man he cryptically refers to as Frank was none other than the late communist Frank Marshall Davis, who fled Chicago after the FBI and Congress opened investigations into his subversive, un-American activities. As Obama was preparing to head off to college, he sat at Davis' feet in his Waikiki bungalow for nightly bull sessions. Davis plied his impressionable guest with liberal doses of whiskey and
[FairfieldLife] a very long dream...
This is taken directly from the Sept. 2008 Matruvani (Amma's magazine out of her India ashram). During the [Los Angeles June 2008] retreat QA, a 12-year-old boy asked, 'Amma, you tell us that we are born again and again as a result of our karma. But what about the very first time we were born? There was no karma then, so why were we born?' Amma smiled at the boy and said in a conspiratorial whisper, 'You were never born, my son. This is just a dream, a very long dream...
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 30, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Rick Archer wrote: In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his poverty removal program... (Very long trim...) One thing you have to say for MMY...he never was at a loss for words. Sal What year did he write the SOB? Seems he was into money from the beginning... Certainly the times are fast changing, and the day is not far off when political consciousness will be replaced by economic consciousness. Economics has already begun to influence the destiny of politics in many countries. ~~ Maharishi, Science of Being and Art of Living Quote found at Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/4ouym8
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/reprint/44/2/133.pdf Whether or not this is real pure consciousness or not, who can say? Lawson Yup, that is the bottom line. All we know is that some transcendental meditators suspend breathing for a period of time, most for some seconds and one person for an entire minute and there is a correlation with a mental experience they describe as pure consciousness. These brief holding periods were not extensive and even untrained healthy people can hold their breath for up to a minute. Because the time periods of apnea were not long, I am not surprised to see no adverse or compensatory effects. I would note:CO2 will accumulate after a period of time. Hyperventilating before holding your breath can minimize that, purging CO2. So, were the meditators doing breathing exercises before their meditation session? If not, it would be an interesting experiment to see if those doing the breathing exercises first had longer breath suspensions. It would be interesting to read accounts of divers who are experienced at apnea. What kind of mental experiences do they have? Don't know, but your comment on CO2 is spot on. Kesterson (another pure consciousness researcher) found that there was no sign of reduced O2 consumption during those periods, but there WERE signs of slightly increased CO2 levels. He speculated that whatever state of consciousness was induced by meditation practice (remember, these were *spontaneous* breath suspensions) was slightly changing CO2 sensitivity as a side effect of the state of consciousness. IOW, the significance of the breath suspension was that it was merely an obvious side effect of the altered state, not some profound mystical correlation with the universe or something. Now, yogic tradition holds that some breath exercises may induce samadhi, and perhaps for something of the same reason, but again, its held to be a *spontaneous* phenomenon, rather than some attempt to stop breathing. The breathing exercise might not even directly alter CO2 sensitivity, but alter some neurological pattern in the libmic system, setting up up the same inhibitory feedback loops in the thalamus that TM is thought to. Or.. t might be some combination of CO2 sensitivity and related neural functioning that induces this situation. BTW, in the most extreme case in that study, the breath suspensions were up to a minute, and the total breath suspension state was more than 50% of the total meditation time. That should be seen as somewhat unusual, given there was little or no compensatory breathing afterwards and that the subjects were all in good health. Another point or so to keep in mind: measurement of airflow indicates that they were not holding their breath and that here was still a 1-2 hz respiration rate with exceedingly reduced breath flow. My own belief: the diaphram relaxes during this time (as evidenced by a slow inhalation over the entire suspension period in another study), while the beating of the heart against the lungs creates enough compression/ decompression to cause air flow at the observed rate. Yogic tradition holds that someone enlghtened can remain in this state indefinitely while meditating. Given the above minute respiration, I don't see this claim as implausible. Recall that it is the *state of consciousness* that is supposed to be the important thing here. Travis' model (taken, perhaps, from Austin's model in his books about the physiology of Zen) predicts that TM induces feedback loops that inhibit the free flow of data from the senses through the thalamus to the cortex and from the cortex through the thalamus BACK into the cortex. IOW, a state of no thought as understood by many Western physiologists. At the same time, the brain remains in an alert state, so all that is going on is normal alpha EEG restful alertness activity, but on a very large scale. Since the neurons of the brain are always attempting to optimize their connectivity regardless of what state of consciousness someone is in, samadhi can be seen as large scale optimization of the brain in an alert state without sensory or mental content. The primary place where this optimization seems to take place is in the frontal lobes, which is where we get our sense of self, so the meditator's impression that this state is pure self is not unexpected. The finding that this idling state in the frontal lobes can persist in outside of meditation in long-term meditators can certainly explain why they claim to have an omnipresent Self that is not overwhelmed by daily activity. Fun stuff. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] palin and dinosaurs
'Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth created 6,000 years ago -- about 65 million years after scientists say most dinosaurs became extinct -- the teacher said.' http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palinreligion28-2008sep28,0,3643718.story?track=rss
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First she should have a checking and meditate regularily for awhile. This will increase her creativity and her income so she will not have to BEG for free consultations. In the sorry state she seems to be in at the moment she does not deserve a reading from a competent jyotishji. Why do you come to the conclusion that this woman is in a sorry state, Nabby? Only because she's a friend of Rick's? Haha. Well that fact probably gives her a few grey hairs. More precisely I have little respect for someone who is living in a western country and is begging for a consultation.
[FairfieldLife] Congratulations, Corporate Crime Fighters! Coup Averted for Three Days! ...from Michael Moore
Friends, Everyone said the bill would pass. The masters of the universe were already making celebratory dinner reservations at Manhattan's finest restaurants. Personal shoppers in Dallas and Atlanta were dispatched to do the early Christmas gifting. Mad Men of Chicago and Miami were popping corks and toasting each other long before the morning latte run. But what they didn't know was that hundreds of thousands of Americans woke up yesterday morning and decided it was time for revolt. The politicians never saw it coming. Millions of phone calls and emails hit Congress so hard it was as if Marshall Dillon, Elliot Ness and Dog the Bounty Hunter had descended on D.C. to stop the looting and arrest the thieves. The Corporate Crime of the Century was halted by a vote of 228 to 205. It was rare and historic; no one could remember a time when a bill supported by the president and the leadership of both parties went down in defeat. That just never happens. A lot of people are wondering why the right wing of the Republican Party joined with the left wing of the Democratic Party in voting down the thievery. Forty percent of Democrats and two-thirds of Republicans voted against the bill. Here's what happened: The presidential race may still be close in the polls, but the Congressional races are pointing toward a landslide for the Democrats. Few dispute the prediction that the Republicans are in for a whoopin' on November 4th. Up to 30 Republican House seats could be lost in what would be a stunning repudiation of their agenda. The Republican reps are so scared of losing their seats, when this financial crisis reared its head two weeks ago, they realized they had just been handed their one and only chance to separate themselves from Bush before the election, while doing something that would make them look like they were on the side of the people. Watching C-Span yesterday morning was one of the best comedy shows I'd seen in ages. There they were, one Republican after another who had backed the war and sunk the country into record debt, who had voted to kill every regulation that would have kept Wall Street in check -- there they were, now crying foul and standing up for the little guy! One after another, they stood at the microphone on the House floor and threw Bush under the bus, under the train (even though they had voted to kill off our nation's trains, too), heck, they would've thrown him under the rising waters of the Lower Ninth Ward if they could've conjured up another hurricane. You know how your dog acts when sprayed by a skunk? He howls and runs around trying to shake it off, rubbing and rolling himself on every piece of your carpet, trying to get rid of the stench. That's what it looked like on the Republican side of the aisle yesterday, and it was a sight to behold. The 95 brave Dems who broke with Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were the real heroes, just like those few who stood up and voted against the war in October of 2002. Watch the remarks from yesterday of Reps. Marcy Kaptur ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S27yitK32ds ), Sheila Jackson Lee ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwysnA7ZmE8 ) and Dennis Kucinich ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaF_MZVWM3E ). They spoke the truth. The Dems who voted for the giveaway did so mostly because they were scared by the threats of Wall Street, that if the rich didn't get their handout, the market would go nuts and then it's bye-bye stock-based pension and retirement funds. And guess what? That's exactly what Wall Street did! The largest, single-day drop in the Dow in the history of the New York Stock exchange. The news anchors last night screamed it out: Americans just lost 1.2 trillion dollars in the stock market!! It's a financial Pearl Harbor! The sky is falling! Bird flu! Killer Bees! Of course, sane people know that nobody lost anything yesterday, that stocks go up and down and this too shall pass because the rich will now buy low, hold, then sell off, then buy low again. But for now, Wall Street and its propaganda arm (the networks and media it owns) will continue to try and scare the bejesus out of you. It will be harder to get a loan. Some people will lose their jobs. A weak nation of wimps won't last long under this torture. Or will we? Is this our line in the sand? Here's my guess: The Democratic leadership in the House secretly hoped all along that this lousy bill would go down. With Bush's proposals shredded, the Dems knew they could then write their own bill that favors the average American, not the upper 10% who were hoping for another kegger of gold. So the ball is in the Democrats' hands. The gun from Wall Street remains at their head. Before they make their next move, let me tell you what the media kept silent about while this bill was being debated: 1. The bailout bill had NO enforcement provisions for the so-called oversight group that was going to monitor Wall Street's
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi just wanted to get as much money as possible. Why is beyond me. He'd say anything to separate someone or some institution from its money. All this below shows such a poor understanding of financial institutions. Not really. Banks make (create) money that they loan at interest. That's all a bank really is: a money-MAKE-ing institution. Mints print, banks make. Lawson
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks
On Sep 30, 2008, at 11:34 AM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 30, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Rick Archer wrote: In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his poverty removal program... (Very long trim...) One thing you have to say for MMY...he never was at a loss for words. Sal What year did he write the SOB? Seems he was into money from the beginning... Certainly the times are fast changing, and the day is not far off when political consciousness will be replaced by economic consciousness. Economics has already begun to influence the destiny of politics in many countries. ~~ Maharishi, Science of Being and Art of Living Quote found at Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/4ouym8 I never could make it through that one either. Maybe someday someone will come up with a Cliff's Notes version...SOB for Dummies, or something. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?
First she should have a checking and meditate regularily for awhile. This will increase her creativity and her income so she will not have to BEG for free consultations. In the sorry state she seems to be in at the moment she does not deserve a reading from a competent jyotishji. Why do you come to the conclusion that this woman is in a sorry state, Nabby? Only because she's a friend of Rick's? Haha. Well that fact probably gives her a few grey hairs. More precisely I have little respect for someone who is living in a western country and is begging for a consultation. And yet, just a few days ago, you were defending the guy who forwarded a begging letter to FFL asking people to send him to TTC. You said, in fact, that rather than criticize this guy, You should rather rejoice finding that an age old tradition of begging has been re-established in the West. So why is it that this guy, who has done nothing but beg money from other people for five years so that he can sit on his ass as part of Purusha, and who clearly is from the West, was worthy of rejoicing over, whereas this woman is in a sorry state? I consider them *both* in sorry states, first for believing in the things the things they think will make them happy, and second for being unwilling to pay for these themselves. But I'd like to know why you consider one superior to the other. As a related topic, did you pay for every day you spent on Purusha yourself, or did you beg money from others to pay your way? If the latter, and given the fact that you are clearly from the West, why should we not take you at your word and consider YOU in a sorry state?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?
More precisely I have little respect for someone who is living in a western country and is begging for a consultation. She is just celebrating the end of capitalism that Maharishi was always crowing about. You should pay for her Nabby. That is what anti-capitalism means, you get to pay for other people. So time to put your money where your Guru's mouth is Nabby and pay up! She has less than you so it is time to redistribute the wealth in our anti-capitalist enlightened society. From you to her. I have already contributed a free date that is absolutely wonderful in every way. February 23rd. So I have made my socialist contribution to her cause. Time to get out the checkbook Nabby and celebrate our freedom from capitalism as predicted by his Holiness the billionaire. Down with capitalism so give me YOUR money. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: First she should have a checking and meditate regularily for awhile. This will increase her creativity and her income so she will not have to BEG for free consultations. In the sorry state she seems to be in at the moment she does not deserve a reading from a competent jyotishji. Why do you come to the conclusion that this woman is in a sorry state, Nabby? Only because she's a friend of Rick's? Haha. Well that fact probably gives her a few grey hairs. More precisely I have little respect for someone who is living in a western country and is begging for a consultation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A primer on medical studies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig wrote: Moral of the story: pre-vitamins are not drugs. If they had taken the supplements along with a bit of naturally occurring beta-carotene as found in fruits or carrots or whatever, I wonder what would have happened? Its entirely possible that the body can't process the substance properly as a pure chemical and needs other chemicals for it to be beneficial. This is my problem with most research on natural healthcare. The studies are poorly designed. I recall research on echinacea some years back which concluded that echinacea was ineffective in treating or preventing colds. But it turns out there are three varieties of echinacea, and the researchers chose the one strain that the natural healing community already knows is ineffective. The real point of this article was to tout longitudinal studies with large populations. When I used to teach TM, I was instructed to present the preliminary TM research as just that - indicative that larger studies would be worthwhile. Problem is that most healthcare studies are oriented towards food-as drugs or whatever-else-as-drug. TM lends itself somewhat to such studies because it is a standalone technique but most natural healthcare systems are not that way, and of course, TM's effects are said to be enhanced by the rest of yogic practice, diet, etc. Drug studies are modeled after pure physics which is a lousy model for studying a complex non-linear system like the human body. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Smell of Socialism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barack Obama's Stealth Socialism Election '08: Before friendly audiences, Barack Obama speaks passionately about something called economic justice. He uses the term obliquely, though, speaking in code � socialist code. You know, for someone who claims to be a Hillary supporter, you sure are down on Hillary-esque themes like universal health care and taxing the wealthy to help the not-so. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's All About Interest, stupid!'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] And drugs, Man. They should be free. Like not just legal, but free. Pursuit of happiness man. Its right there in the constitution. [snip] Is pursuit of happiness also in the constitution? I thought it was in the Declaration of Independence. Not sure, but I don't think the Declaration of Independence has any constitutional effect.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A primer on medical studies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig wrote: Moral of the story: pre-vitamins are not drugs. If they had taken the supplements along with a bit of naturally occurring beta-carotene as found in fruits or carrots or whatever, I wonder what would have happened? Its entirely possible that the body can't process the substance properly as a pure chemical and needs other chemicals for it to be beneficial. Beta carotene is fat soluble, and the needed other chemical is fat. However, current dietary dogmas are low-fat and wrong-fat, with emphasis on avoiding saturated fat and favoring inflammatory, highly peroxidizable polyunsaturated fat. This is my problem with most research on natural healthcare. The studies are poorly designed. I recall research on echinacea some years back which concluded that echinacea was ineffective in treating or preventing colds. But it turns out there are three varieties of echinacea, and the researchers chose the one strain that the natural healing community already knows is ineffective. Another tactic used by researchers to discredit natural supplements is to test with small amounts that are insufficient to have any effect. The mainstream media then issues a screaming headline, Study Finds Supplement X is Ineffective, and the dumbed-down public accepts it without question.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's All About Interest, stupid!'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: [snip] And drugs, Man. They should be free. Like not just legal, but free. Pursuit of happiness man. Its right there in the constitution. [snip] Is pursuit of happiness also in the constitution? I thought it was in the Declaration of Independence. Not sure, but I don't think the Declaration of Independence has any constitutional effect. Guiding principle/common law, I think. Insomuch as something is not explicit in the COnstitution, but is in the Declaration of Independence I think it is used to guide how the Constitution is interpreted. MIght be wrong, though. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Another example of Republican fiscal conservatism
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of do.rflex Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:35 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks What year did he write the SOB? 1963
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of do.rflex Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:35 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks What year did he write the SOB? 1963 Thanks, Rick.
[FairfieldLife] Ed Beckley is responsible for the current economic crisis
Of course. No money down is the essence of sub-prime lending. Beckley started it all 20-odd years ago.
[FairfieldLife] State of American Writing
To All: This may be an opinion by a one guy. But the opinion is food for thought as to what Americans are writing about. Nobel literature chief: US writing too 'insular' 1 hour, 17 minutes ago STOCKHOLM, Sweden - The man who announces the Nobel Prize in literature says the United States is too insular and ignorant to compete with Europe when it comes to great writing. In an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, Horace Engdahl said Tuesday that Europe still is the center of the literary world. Engdahl is the permanent secretary of the Swedish Academy, which selects the literature prize winner. He is expected to announce the winner in the coming weeks. Engdahl says the U.S. is too isolated, too insular and doesn't really participate in the big dialogue of literature. Since Japanese poet Kenzaburo Oe won in 1994, the selections have had a distinct European flavor. The last American winner was Toni Morrison in 1993.
Re: [FairfieldLife] State of American Writing
On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:32 PM, John wrote: To All: This may be an opinion by a one guy. But the opinion is food for thought as to what Americans are writing about. Nobel literature chief: US writing too 'insular' 1 hour, 17 minutes ago STOCKHOLM, Sweden - The man who announces the Nobel Prize in literature says the United States is too insular and ignorant to compete with Europe when it comes to great writing. He obviously hasn't read FF Life... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: State of American Writing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To All: This may be an opinion by a one guy. But the opinion is food for thought as to what Americans are writing about. Gotta agree with the gentleman. Toni Morrison was a good choice, but name me even one American writing today who is in the same class as Orhan Pamuk or Doris Lessing or Harold Pinter or V.S. Naipaul or Gunter Grass. The Nobel Prize for Literature is a lifetime achievement award, and never for a single book. It is also meant to reward the most outstanding work of an idealistic tendency. I'm sorry, but American writers rarely create a consistently excellent body of work, and their tendency to be self-absorbed and whine tends to render the writers devoid of ideals, compared to writers in other parts of the world. Besides, two of the recent winners listed my favorite author as their favorite author, so that raises them up higher in my estimation than the prize does. :-) Nobel literature chief: US writing too 'insular' 1 hour, 17 minutes ago STOCKHOLM, Sweden - The man who announces the Nobel Prize in literature says the United States is too insular and ignorant to compete with Europe when it comes to great writing. In an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, Horace Engdahl said Tuesday that Europe still is the center of the literary world. Engdahl is the permanent secretary of the Swedish Academy, which selects the literature prize winner. He is expected to announce the winner in the coming weeks. Engdahl says the U.S. is too isolated, too insular and doesn't really participate in the big dialogue of literature. Since Japanese poet Kenzaburo Oe won in 1994, the selections have had a distinct European flavor. The last American winner was Toni Morrison in 1993.
[FairfieldLife] Re: State of American Writing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: This may be an opinion by a one guy. But the opinion is food for thought as to what Americans are writing about. Gotta agree with the gentleman. Toni Morrison was a good choice, but name me even one American writing today who is in the same class as Orhan Pamuk or Doris Lessing or Harold Pinter or V.S. Naipaul or Gunter Grass. George W. Bush is the greatest story teller in the last decade. The Nobel Prize for Literature is a lifetime achievement award, and never for a single book. It is also meant to reward the most outstanding work of an idealistic tendency. I'm sorry, but American writers rarely create a consistently excellent body of work, and their tendency to be self-absorbed and whine tends to render the writers devoid of ideals, compared to writers in other parts of the world. Besides, two of the recent winners listed my favorite author as their favorite author, so that raises them up higher in my estimation than the prize does. :-) Nobel literature chief: US writing too 'insular' 1 hour, 17 minutes ago STOCKHOLM, Sweden - The man who announces the Nobel Prize in literature says the United States is too insular and ignorant to compete with Europe when it comes to great writing. In an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, Horace Engdahl said Tuesday that Europe still is the center of the literary world. Engdahl is the permanent secretary of the Swedish Academy, which selects the literature prize winner. He is expected to announce the winner in the coming weeks. Engdahl says the U.S. is too isolated, too insular and doesn't really participate in the big dialogue of literature. Since Japanese poet Kenzaburo Oe won in 1994, the selections have had a distinct European flavor. The last American winner was Toni Morrison in 1993.
[FairfieldLife] Re: State of American Writing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: This may be an opinion by a one guy. But the opinion is food for thought as to what Americans are writing about. Gotta agree with the gentleman. Toni Morrison was a good choice, but name me even one American writing today who is in the same class as Orhan Pamuk or Doris Lessing or Harold Pinter or V.S. Naipaul or Gunter Grass. George W. Bush is the greatest story teller in the last decade. I will assume that this is ironic. :-) However, just to create a sense of contrast, and of possibilities, there is one winner of the Nobel Prize for Literature who was also a politician, Sir Winston Churchill, for his mastery of historical and biographical description as well as for bril- liant oratory in defending exalted human values. The Nobel Prize for Literature is a lifetime achievement award, and never for a single book. It is also meant to reward the most outstanding work of an idealistic tendency. I'm sorry, but American writers rarely create a consistently excellent body of work, and their tendency to be self-absorbed and whine tends to render the writers devoid of ideals, compared to writers in other parts of the world. Besides, two of the recent winners listed my favorite author as their favorite author, so that raises them up higher in my estimation than the prize does. :-) Nobel literature chief: US writing too 'insular' 1 hour, 17 minutes ago STOCKHOLM, Sweden - The man who announces the Nobel Prize in literature says the United States is too insular and ignorant to compete with Europe when it comes to great writing. In an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, Horace Engdahl said Tuesday that Europe still is the center of the literary world. Engdahl is the permanent secretary of the Swedish Academy, which selects the literature prize winner. He is expected to announce the winner in the coming weeks. Engdahl says the U.S. is too isolated, too insular and doesn't really participate in the big dialogue of literature. Since Japanese poet Kenzaburo Oe won in 1994, the selections have had a distinct European flavor. The last American winner was Toni Morrison in 1993.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You Space Out?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:58 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: how many measurements would you like to take? Since Pure Consciousness is unmanifest(we are talking about -pure consciousness- aren't we?), all that we can measure with instruments is one or another particular correlates of pure consciousness, and since the state of pure consciousness as experienced by the awareness is continuous and without boundaries, beyond time and space, which correlate do you want to measure? It is a waste of time if you ask me. Even if you believe pure consciousness is unmanifest, it still has to interact with a relative human nervous system. If it were unmanifest, how could it interact? The physiological correlates are of a state of consciousness that is sometimes called pure conscousness. Whether or not this has anything to do with some universal unmanifest state is of course, impossible to say, any more than you can prove that miracles are caused by God rather than merely by some higher order creature who can manipulate reality in ways we don't understand. Lawson Pure consciousness needs a vehicle through which to manifest itself, express itself. Our mission (should we choose to accept it...) is to uncover that pure consciousness, the Tao, the flow, grace, Being, so that our awareness reflects it at all times; we become ourselves, our universal essence. We become a living embodiment of pure consciousness, and then what is there to measure? From the tops of our heads to the tips of our toes, we are pure consciousness, living and breathing. So we can measure absolutely anything about ourselves once having reached this state of grace, the Tao, pure consciousness revealed, and it shows us what? That the physical correlations to one established in infinity are infinite. If we are not established in the Tao, or Being, measuring the bodily operation of one who is offers us no help us at all. These attempts by scientists to discover physical correlates to one who is established in pure consciousness, in Being, only keep the mind busy, nothing more.
[FairfieldLife] Sarah Palin Interview Generator
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[FairfieldLife] Die Obama Fahne hoch!
Die Obama Fahne hoch! http://www.reason.com/blog/show/129137.html Hope and change. Change and hope. Hope and change. Change and hope. Hope and change. Change and hope. Change and hope. Hope and change. Change and hope. Hope and change. Change and hope. Hope and change. Hope and change. Change and hope. Hope and change. Change and hope. Hope and change. Change and hope. Change and hope. Hope and change. Change and hope. Hope and change. Change and hope. Hope and change. Hope and change. Change and hope. Change and hope. Hope and change. Change and hope. Hope and change. Change and hope. Hope and change. Hope and change. Change and hope. Hope and change. Change and hope. Hope and change. Change and hope. Chope and chope. Chope and chope. Chope and change. Hope and chope. Chope and chope. Change. Hope. Chope!
[FairfieldLife] Let the other nations pitch in
I keep hearing in the MSM over and over again how this economic crisis will affect economies and markets all over the world if WE don't do something. Well, if that's the case, let THEM pitch in and send US the $700 billion! The United States is ALWAYS there to bail out other nations so now they can dig deep into THEIR pockets and come up with some scratch.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Sarah Palin Interview Generator
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:49 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sarah Palin Interview Generator http://interviewpalin.com/ Are these things she actually said? If so, they've cherry-picked the sentences. She couldn't have said them all contiguously, could she?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Have a stompin' good time at Navaratri!
Bhairitu wrote: Happy Navaratri, everyone. You're not very funny, Barry. But you and Curtis are very ghoulish at times. What's up with that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments from a wealthy friend of mine: It's interesting reading this below how Maharishi was the one who was more tight with money than anyone I've ever known. I never saw him giving anything to anyone, except maybe Tony Nader where he made that public display of giving his weight in gold, but that was no doubt donated at his request. He was only asking for more money all time even though he controlled probably more than a billion, yet he upbraids others for lack of generosity and compassion. What he writes below displays a lack of understanding for bankers, who are just business people, like any other kind of business. If bankers are to give away their profits, then why not businesses of all types, which certainly is a good idea to give to charity and help others, which he never did on any material level. His fantasy about all the world's probem's being solved in the Age of Enlightenment or Sat yuga, which he spoke of since we were kids and for which he claims credit, along with Guru Dev, continues to be shown to be just that, a fantasy. It's surprising with such a brilliant mind and such wisdom of the Vedas he had these unusual quirks. In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his poverty removal program... On 19 June, during the Conference on Removal of Poverty broadcast live by satellite and the Internet from the Financial Capital of New York, Maharishi gave a strong message to the banks and financial institutions of the world. This is the telling statement for me: When you are on the path of God-realization, that path will not bring you suffering. And, if the path to God-realization brings suffering, it is not the path of God-realization; it is not a religion. MMY I understand the theory, but looking at meditators, in practice whew! JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Interview Generator
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:49 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sarah Palin Interview Generator http://interviewpalin.com/ Are these things she actually said? If so, they've cherry-picked the sentences. She couldn't have said them all contiguously, could she? http://interviewpalin.com/about This site is a parody. The answers are computer generated based on probabilities calculated from Sarah Palin's actual speech.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Comments from a wealthy friend of mine: It's interesting reading this below how Maharishi was the one who was more tight with money than anyone I've ever known. I never saw him giving anything to anyone, except maybe Tony Nader where he made that public display of giving his weight in gold, but that was no doubt donated at his request. He was only asking for more money all time even though he controlled probably more than a billion, yet he upbraids others for lack of generosity and compassion. What he writes below displays a lack of understanding for bankers, who are just business people, like any other kind of business. If bankers are to give away their profits, then why not businesses of all types, which certainly is a good idea to give to charity and help others, which he never did on any material level. His fantasy about all the world's probem's being solved in the Age of Enlightenment or Sat yuga, which he spoke of since we were kids and for which he claims credit, along with Guru Dev, continues to be shown to be just that, a fantasy. It's surprising with such a brilliant mind and such wisdom of the Vedas he had these unusual quirks. In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his poverty removal program... On 19 June, during the Conference on Removal of Poverty broadcast live by satellite and the Internet from the Financial Capital of New York, Maharishi gave a strong message to the banks and financial institutions of the world. This is the telling statement for me: When you are on the path of God-realization, that path will not bring you suffering. And, if the path to God-realization brings suffering, it is not the path of God-realization; it is not a religion. MMY I understand the theory, but looking at meditators, in practice whew! JohnY How many of those meditators you mention are really devoted to God?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks
All spiritual realities are also in a sense fantasies e.g. Jesus taught the immanent coming of the Kingdom of God but of course that didn't happen. But how real is this? If you're, say, about to turn 60 (as many are these days)... --- On Tue, 9/30/08, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:34 PM --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Comments from a wealthy friend of mine: It's interesting reading this below how Maharishi was the one who was more tight with money than anyone I've ever known. I never saw him giving anything to anyone, except maybe Tony Nader where he made that public display of giving his weight in gold, but that was no doubt donated at his request. He was only asking for more money all time even though he controlled probably more than a billion, yet he upbraids others for lack of generosity and compassion. What he writes below displays a lack of understanding for bankers, who are just business people, like any other kind of business. If bankers are to give away their profits, then why not businesses of all types, which certainly is a good idea to give to charity and help others, which he never did on any material level. His fantasy about all the world's probem's being solved in the Age of Enlightenment or Sat yuga, which he spoke of since we were kids and for which he claims credit, along with Guru Dev, continues to be shown to be just that, a fantasy. It's surprising with such a brilliant mind and such wisdom of the Vedas he had these unusual quirks. In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his poverty removal program... On 19 June, during the Conference on Removal of Poverty broadcast live by satellite and the Internet from the Financial Capital of New York, Maharishi gave a strong message to the banks and financial institutions of the world. This is the telling statement for me: When you are on the path of God-realization, that path will not bring you suffering. And, if the path to God-realization brings suffering, it is not the path of God-realization; it is not a religion. MMY I understand the theory, but looking at meditators, in practice whew! JohnY How many of those meditators you mention are really devoted to God?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let the other nations pitch in
Well, if that's the case, let THEM pitch in and send US the $700 billion! They already did, that is the central problem. They want their money back. For a long time America has been living by borrowing money from the rest of the world. That has funded a real estate bubble and a stock market bubble. Banks around the world need to keep dollars because the dollar is the main trading currency. But if they have bank deposits they want to earn interest, so they buy T-bills or to get a better rate of return they buy mortgage backed securities. But the mortgages aren't worth what it says on the paper because people have been telling fibs about the value of the real estate and the income stream. So banks, US and foreign are sitting on lots of paper that might not be worth what it says it is. Now banks can lend money up to a multiple of their capital base. If a bank has capital of 10Bn then it can write loans and take deposits up to about 100bn. It needs that capital because banks borrow short and lend long, so if everyone turns up to ask for the money they've put in the bank they can't easily go and get it from the people they've lent money to. (Watch It's a Wonderful Life, it explains it quite well). If they have assets they think are worth 100bn, but in fact they're only worth 90bn then they have to take a loss onto their books. If they take a loss of 10bn and they have only 10bn capital that wipes out their capital so they can't lend money. Banks lend money to each other overnight all the time to make sure that the books balance at the end of each day. But if there's a danger that the bank might not be in business next morning when the loan is due then you don't want to lend to them. But no one knows who might have these toxic securities on their books, so no one is sure that if they lend to another bank they will get their money back. If the loan can't be repaid then they have to take it as a loss, which could wipe out their own capital base. So the credit markets have seized up. The last time this happened was in the dark days of the 30's when so many banks went out of business that the US very nearly went back to barter. At one point so many banks were closed all over the place no one could cash a cheque for days on end. Effectively money had stopped working. That's why people who know their history are shitting themselves. Think of it like a giant version of the TMO. The TMO has been living on donations from rich people for decades. These people have assumed that their money has been going to support pandits and teaching TM in India and other projects. When they find out that actually it's been used to buy mansions, and fund high living for Maharishi's family and the number of pandits seems to be a lot less than you might expect from the money that's gone into India, then they don't feel so much inclined to give money to the TMO. So the supply of money dries up and projects like the Smith Center in Kansas have to be mothballed. Well it's like that with the rest of the world and America. The rest of the world has been putting their hard won cash into dollar assets, and now they find those assets aren't worth much. So they don't want to put their money in dollars assets anymore. But the American economy depends on other countries pumping money in to keep it afloat. Just like the TMO depends on rich people pumping money in. If it depended on earning its way in the world it wouldn't survive. Would you change dollars for Mahas if you knew that the TMO might not be able to honor the bill? The problem is that the rest of the world uses the dollar as its reserve currency and now they find it ain't worth what they thought it was. Serious stuff.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's All About Interest, stupid!'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the old days, the old Jewish Law... Was that you were not to charge interest on money lent. So, perhaps the grand days of interest on interest is gone, forever... People have wised up, on this Interest thing. Interest on interest started with during the 'Reagan Years', and MBA mentality Learning skilled ways of charging interest on interest... Interest...but whose interest, my house, your house, their houses. Why can't we lend money for no interest...how would that work. This is what we have done with the Banks, we loan them money at no interest. This is what we do with the Saudi's, we give them money with no interest. This is what we do with the military, we give them money with no interest. ~It's All About Interest, Stupid! R.G. You also were not supposed to lend out 120 times what you own. Most of the banks would take $1 that they owned, lend it out 120 times to 120 people. If the interest charged in one year was only 5%, then the profit would be $6 on the dollar, per year, if everyone paid. So you could make $5 a year for every dollar you owned. So if you have $1 million you could make at $5 million a year on 5% interest only. And all you have to is sit on your ass and pay fairly low wages to maybe 1 or 2 people for every $1 million loaned. For you to lose, you would have to have 75% of the people default on the loan before you are not making money. Jeezus !that can't be right...must have screwed up the math !...or maybe we should start a bank ! OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have a stompin' good time at Navaratri!
Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Happy Navaratri, everyone. You're not very funny, Barry. But you and Curtis are very ghoulish at times. What's up with that? We have local rock concerts that are a bigger venue than that and no one gets stomped. What's wrong with Indians?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let the other nations pitch in
guyfawkes91 wrote: Well, if that's the case, let THEM pitch in and send US the $700 billion! They already did, that is the central problem. They want their money back. For a long time America has been living by borrowing money from the rest of the world. That has funded a real estate bubble and a stock market bubble. Banks around the world need to keep dollars because the dollar is the main trading currency. But if they have bank deposits they want to earn interest, so they buy T-bills or to get a better rate of return they buy mortgage backed securities. But the mortgages aren't worth what it says on the paper because people have been telling fibs about the value of the real estate and the income stream. So banks, US and foreign are sitting on lots of paper that might not be worth what it says it is. Now banks can lend money up to a multiple of their capital base. If a bank has capital of 10Bn then it can write loans and take deposits up to about 100bn. It needs that capital because banks borrow short and lend long, so if everyone turns up to ask for the money they've put in the bank they can't easily go and get it from the people they've lent money to. (Watch It's a Wonderful Life, it explains it quite well). If they have assets they think are worth 100bn, but in fact they're only worth 90bn then they have to take a loss onto their books. If they take a loss of 10bn and they have only 10bn capital that wipes out their capital so they can't lend money. Banks lend money to each other overnight all the time to make sure that the books balance at the end of each day. But if there's a danger that the bank might not be in business next morning when the loan is due then you don't want to lend to them. But no one knows who might have these toxic securities on their books, so no one is sure that if they lend to another bank they will get their money back. If the loan can't be repaid then they have to take it as a loss, which could wipe out their own capital base. So the credit markets have seized up. The last time this happened was in the dark days of the 30's when so many banks went out of business that the US very nearly went back to barter. At one point so many banks were closed all over the place no one could cash a cheque for days on end. Effectively money had stopped working. That's why people who know their history are shitting themselves. Think of it like a giant version of the TMO. The TMO has been living on donations from rich people for decades. These people have assumed that their money has been going to support pandits and teaching TM in India and other projects. When they find out that actually it's been used to buy mansions, and fund high living for Maharishi's family and the number of pandits seems to be a lot less than you might expect from the money that's gone into India, then they don't feel so much inclined to give money to the TMO. So the supply of money dries up and projects like the Smith Center in Kansas have to be mothballed. Well it's like that with the rest of the world and America. The rest of the world has been putting their hard won cash into dollar assets, and now they find those assets aren't worth much. So they don't want to put their money in dollars assets anymore. But the American economy depends on other countries pumping money in to keep it afloat. Just like the TMO depends on rich people pumping money in. If it depended on earning its way in the world it wouldn't survive. Would you change dollars for Mahas if you knew that the TMO might not be able to honor the bill? The problem is that the rest of the world uses the dollar as its reserve currency and now they find it ain't worth what they thought it was. Serious stuff. What we need is a reality based economy not the voodoo economics of the last 30 years or so. Very painful but that's what it should have been all along rather than ponzi schemes.
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