Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write? This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL. Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When due to lack of perserverance and self-control they failed they blame the teacher rather than analyzing their own shortcomings. The anger and resentment bordering on hate Fleetwood meets here is the same Adyashanti describes in Buddhist circles where anyone claiming to living the goal is labeled a fraud. The Buddha made 500 souls enlightened yet Buddhists today seems incapable of seeing that this is not only old stories but a reality also today. A friend of mine who goes for prolonged stays in Fairfield every year to do Programme in the dome reports that Fleetwood is far from the only person living the natural state of enlightenment. Quite the contrary, the experiences of higher states of consciousness in daily life is getting stronger and stronger every year. But to the consternation of loosers like the Turq or MJ, the Movement will never point the finger at an Enlightened parading him like in a Circus and say; look here, he is enlightened, see what TM can do. This will never happen. For this reason, anyone living in freedom like Fleetwood who is willing to share his experiences is doing everyone a great favor and we should be thankful that he is willing to spend some of his time here. The future of mankind is bright, and that is our delight -Maharishi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved.
If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as
the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would
think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the
truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should
schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world.
However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that
proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the
planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual
and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is
enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So
it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now.
Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has
produced someone enlightened.
NEVER.
NOT ONCE.
The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have
learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM
organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly
and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by
practicing the fastest path to it.
NOT ONE.
ZERO.
BUPKUS.
So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John
Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is
speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not
gonna happen.
Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim.
Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any
generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself,
or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it.
And I can prove it.
All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say,
Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem
to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow
him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is
enlightened.
So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the
same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level
of believability as Bill Cosby.
So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can.
Better luck next time... :-)
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish
more
I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write?
This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL.
Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of
young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that
enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by
Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When due to lack of perserverance
and self-control they failed they blame the teacher rather than analyzing their
own shortcomings. The anger and resentment bordering on hate Fleetwood meets
here is the same Adyashanti describes in Buddhist circles where anyone claiming
to living the goal is labeled a fraud. The Buddha made 500 souls enlightened
yet Buddhists today seems incapable of seeing that this is not only old stories
but a reality also today.
A friend of mine who goes for prolonged stays in Fairfield every year to do
Programme in the dome reports that Fleetwood is far from the only person living
the natural state of enlightenment. Quite the contrary, the experiences of
higher states of consciousness in daily life is getting stronger and stronger
every year. But to the consternation of loosers like the Turq or MJ, the
Movement will never point the finger at an Enlightened parading him like in a
Circus and say; look here, he is enlightened, see what TM can do. This will
never happen.
For this reason, anyone living in freedom like Fleetwood who is willing to
share his experiences is doing everyone a great favor and we should be thankful
that he is willing to spend some of his time here.
The future of mankind is bright, and that is our delight-Maharishi
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Sure, but it is not relevant to anything I have said. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jim, I like that, what you have written below. I commend taxius on writing something that I find interesting, and concrete. Maybe it is just a waking state perspective, but it is at least something I can understand. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Steve, perhaps anartaxius has staked out a brilliant position with regard to waking state. You know, the one where we have static beliefs, and play a stupid game of duality. So what? Enlightenment is BY ITS VERY NATURE, non-attachment, and so these types of carefully crafted scenarios, designed to challenge one side of a duality, don't mean jack to an enlightened person. An enlightened person can obviously express an idea, in the moment, but to try to hold onto a belief, is impossible. The nervous system no longer supports it. Beliefs are used as crutches, and an enlightened person doesn't need crutches. It is a different way of functioning than before. Less thought - more silence, and more direct action. The integration of the subjective and the objective; always a proponent of Reality. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Damn, nothing like bring the conversation down to earth. I find it both readable and interesting. I think it is one thing to be the devils advocate, which is a means to have someone defend, or clarify their position. It is quite another thing to engage in cavil, or at least misrepresentations for the purposes of getting a rise out of people, or really, to just elevate one's point of view. You obviously see the dynamics here differently, which is fine, but at least you've staked out your position, and I respect you for that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Ann, at least took the time to write more than a couple of one liners. I do indeed think Barry makes up stuff to meet his own agenda. Don't we all. Jim makes up all sorts of stuff too. I make up stuff. Most of what others write about Barry, including me is stuff they make up. Our minds are good a fabricating shit. It is a necessary skill in order for it to attempt to figure out the world. I do not see that Jim, for example, is making up less than Barry. One of the primary ways to go after someone's beliefs is to be a contrarian, to deliberately state you think the opposite of what the other guy or gal thinks, even if you do not really believe that. Now this is objectionable to some. I do not object to Barry because I don't see him and other people really as persons, they are objects in my field of experience. On FFL, everyone is a text object in my field of experience. My body is an object in my field of experience. Now calling everyone, you even, as an object does not mean I, in person, will interact with you as if you were an inanimate object. I can hold conversations, more or less. I tend not to like small talk. People here mostly talk about how other people behave, which I find boring. There are few substantive conversations. Curtis is good for a substantive argument. Barry less so, he does not seem to have a lot of patience, so if you want to communicate with Barry, you have to be succinct, not like me, but one or two line retorts like Jim fires off are mindless, they usually show no deep thought. People on the Internet are not necessarily the same as they are in person. Distance and anonymity, the lack of physical contact allows certain darker sides of our personalities shine. Most of what I think of others would probably seem very strange to those others. Jim says certain things about others, and I don't see it at all; Judy did this all the time. Barry does it too. The target of such comments almost invariable say that is not what they think. So the real question, as I see it, is why do we think what we think is true, and so little of what others say they think, especially about us, we think is false? This mismatch of reality among we human beings is rampant. One needs a certain flexibility to deal with it without going nuts. There is a woman here with me; we have very divergent views on many things, often including the nature of enlightenment, but we get along pretty well and have for some time. I make up stuff all the time to puncture her belief system, she calls me a contrarian, but the trick is to make her laugh, to see the absurdity of a position. I doubt very much Barry is as serious about what he says as most people on this forum take things. he has been beaten around by the spiritual con as much as any here, but unlike you, Jim, and others, I think he understands the spiritual con better than most. Barry does repeat many themes many many times. For all I know he could be a computer. There have been experiments on the Internet where a computer program posts to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. NEVER. NOT ONCE. The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. NOT ONE. ZERO. BUPKUS. So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. And I can prove it. All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. Better luck next time... :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write? This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL. Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When due to lack of perserverance and self-control they failed they blame the teacher rather than analyzing their own shortcomings. The anger and resentment bordering on hate Fleetwood meets here is the same Adyashanti describes in Buddhist circles where anyone claiming to living the goal is labeled a fraud. The Buddha made 500 souls enlightened yet Buddhists today seems incapable of seeing that this is not only old stories but a reality also today. A friend of mine who goes for prolonged stays in Fairfield every year to do Programme in the dome reports that Fleetwood is far from the only person living the natural state of enlightenment. Quite the contrary, the experiences of higher states of consciousness in daily life is getting stronger and stronger every year. But to the consternation of loosers like the Turq or MJ, the Movement will never point the finger at an Enlightened parading him like in a Circus and say; look here, he is enlightened, see what TM can do. This will never happen. For this reason, anyone living in freedom like Fleetwood who is willing to share his experiences is doing everyone a great favor and we should be thankful that he is willing to spend some of his time here. The future of mankind is bright, and that is our delight -Maharishi
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Yes, thank you. Adyashanti made a statement about spiritual immaturity, that I thought was very telling, and showing up here on FFL in spades. Everyone likes to talk about being on the path and this insight and that. But no will ever mention that they have reached the goal. It is this one statement, that sends those with a natural proclivity towards making their world someone else's fault, into apoplectic rage. Barry is one of the least responsible people I have ever met, in terms of owning his shit. As a result, he REALLY doesn't like to be reminded of what a loser he is, spiritually. he is caught in some 60's mood making about enlightenment, and doesn't realize the naturalness of it. No hypnotism here, simply my enlightenment. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write? This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL. Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When due to lack of perserverance and self-control they failed they blame the teacher rather than analyzing their own shortcomings. The anger and resentment bordering on hate Fleetwood meets here is the same Adyashanti describes in Buddhist circles where anyone claiming to living the goal is labeled a fraud. The Buddha made 500 souls enlightened yet Buddhists today seems incapable of seeing that this is not only old stories but a reality also today. A friend of mine who goes for prolonged stays in Fairfield every year to do Programme in the dome reports that Fleetwood is far from the only person living the natural state of enlightenment. Quite the contrary, the experiences of higher states of consciousness in daily life is getting stronger and stronger every year. But to the consternation of loosers like the Turq or MJ, the Movement will never point the finger at an Enlightened parading him like in a Circus and say; look here, he is enlightened, see what TM can do. This will never happen. For this reason, anyone living in freedom like Fleetwood who is willing to share his experiences is doing everyone a great favor and we should be thankful that he is willing to spend some of his time here. The future of mankind is bright, and that is our delight -Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Ann, at least took the time to write more than a couple of one liners. I do indeed think Barry makes up stuff to meet his own agenda. Don't we all. Jim makes up all sorts of stuff too. I make up stuff. Most of what others write about Barry, including me is stuff they make up. Our minds are good a fabricating shit. It is a necessary skill in order for it to attempt to figure out the world. I do not see that Jim, for example, is making up less than Barry. I don't make stuff up here Xeno. What you see here is exactly what you would see if you saw me standing in a room talking to you. I have absolutely no reason to pretend I am someone else. I do not understand the need of others to use the internet as a way to become another kind of person. Does this mean they can't be all of who they are when standing next to a breathing person? And if so why would that be? (Rhetorical questions.) One of the primary ways to go after someone's beliefs is to be a contrarian, to deliberately state you think the opposite of what the other guy or gal thinks, even if you do not really believe that. Now this is objectionable to some. I do not object to Barry because I don't see him and other people really as persons, they are objects in my field of experience. On FFL, everyone is a text object in my field of experience. My body is an object in my field of experience. Now calling everyone, you even, as an object does not mean I, in person, will interact with you as if you were an inanimate object. I can hold conversations, more or less. I tend not to like small talk. You are so interesting, Xeno. I can't figure out what actually animates you. Maybe animate is the wrong word because it is as if you are robotic in some fundamental way although I don't mean this to insult you. I have no interest in insulting you so if it comes across like that then my apologies. But to say you don't see those at FFL as anything other than a text object seems to me like you are missing some essential sensory equipment. It is as if people are reduced to molecules and cells and basic components that don't include blood or feelings. It makes me think you are not equipped to grasp the really important things about human beings that could make your life richer. People here mostly talk about how other people behave, which I find boring. There are few substantive conversations. Curtis is good for a substantive argument. Barry less so, he does not seem to have a lot of patience, so if you want to communicate with Barry, you have to be succinct, not like me, but one or two line retorts like Jim fires off are mindless, they usually show no deep thought. Sometimes brevity takes lots more creativity than wordiness. Think poetry vs a novel. Thanks. This statement about wordiness being superior to brevity left me shaking my head. People on the Internet are not necessarily the same as they are in person. Distance and anonymity, the lack of physical contact allows certain darker sides of our personalities shine. Most of what I think of others would probably seem very strange to those others. Jim says certain things about others, and I don't see it at all; Judy did this all the time. Barry does it too. The target of such comments almost invariable say that is not what they think. So the real question, as I see it, is why do we think what we think is true, and so little of what others say they think, especially about us, we think is false? This mismatch of reality among we human beings is rampant. One needs a certain flexibility to deal with it without going nuts. I don't mind being misunderstood but I will often object when someone begins to abuse me about what they think I believe or about who they think I am, especially if it is coming from a place of narrow mindedness and ill will. I will not be a punching bag for those with their own personal, unresolved issues and who wish to take their lack of self awareness and hit me over the head with it. There is a woman here with me; we have very divergent views on many things, often including the nature of enlightenment, but we get along pretty well and have for some time. I make up stuff all the time to puncture her belief system, she calls me a contrarian, but the trick is to make her laugh, to see the absurdity of a position. I doubt very much Barry is as serious about what he says as most people on this forum take things. he has been beaten around by the spiritual con as much as any here, but unlike you, Jim, and others, I think he understands the spiritual con better than most. Barry does repeat many themes many many times. For all I know he could be a computer. There have been experiments on the Internet where a computer program posts to social forums and people think it is a real person.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
But Barry, that is the beauty of enlightenment, I don't have to believe it, for it to be true. And I certainly don't care whether you believe me or not. But, it is fun driving you nuts, with the knowledge that I am enlightened. One of the things I find ridiculous about your issue, is that you keep wanting the enlightened person to be special somehow, and can't stand it, that I am fairly common person - no bells, or whistles. You also have a basic problem with me calling bullshit on you, and have nothing to say back, except some lame insult. You are not a creative person, and it shows. Just a tired old dude, in waking state, who tries to continue the fiction that he is better than the rest of us. What a joke. :-) :-) :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. NEVER. NOT ONCE. The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. NOT ONE. ZERO. BUPKUS. So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. And I can prove it. All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. Better luck next time... :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write? This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL. Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When due to lack of perserverance and self-control they failed they blame the teacher rather than analyzing their own shortcomings. The anger and resentment bordering on hate Fleetwood meets here is the same Adyashanti describes in Buddhist circles where anyone claiming to living the goal is labeled a fraud. The Buddha made 500 souls enlightened yet Buddhists today seems incapable of seeing that this is not only old stories but a reality also today. A friend of mine who goes for prolonged stays in Fairfield every year to do Programme in the dome reports that Fleetwood is far from the only person living the natural state of enlightenment. Quite the contrary, the experiences of higher states of consciousness in daily life is getting stronger and stronger every year. But to the consternation of loosers like the Turq or MJ, the Movement will never point the finger at an Enlightened
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Then where are the effects of these so-called enlightened people? According to
your much vaunted Supreme Master Mahesh the Fraud Varma, the effect of a person
living in enlightenment is profound. They supposedly radiate all this energy
and sattva, supposedly uphold and enliven all the laws of nature and all that
crap, yet Fairfield and all other TM communities are just communities like all
the rest where people live and die and have problems like everyone else.
Your assertion that there are many TM practitioners who are enlightened is an
absurd fantasy. If there were such people the effect, according to Marshy would
be fabulous and obvious.
I will ask again, since you believe TM is so very fabulous, why don't you
repudiate your UFO and Benjy Creme beliefs so the TMO will take you back and
you become recertifed so you can teach this oh so supreme deal to the ignorant
of the world?
And if TM is so grand, why is it that the world has to have Maitreya come and
straighten the world out? How come TM isn't gonna do it? Or are you still
having the fantasy that Maitreya will tell everyone to do TM and it will be
mandatory and he will appoint you as head of the Movement?
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish
more
I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write?
This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL.
Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of
young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that
enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by
Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When due to lack of perserverance
and self-control they failed they blame the teacher rather than analyzing their
own shortcomings. The anger and resentment bordering on hate Fleetwood meets
here is the same Adyashanti describes in Buddhist circles where anyone claiming
to living the goal is labeled a fraud. The Buddha made 500 souls enlightened
yet Buddhists today seems incapable of seeing that this is not only old stories
but a reality also today.
A friend of mine who goes for prolonged stays in Fairfield every year to do
Programme in the dome reports that Fleetwood is far from the only person living
the natural state of enlightenment. Quite the contrary, the experiences of
higher states of consciousness in daily life is getting stronger and stronger
every year. But to the consternation of loosers like the Turq or MJ, the
Movement will never point the finger at an Enlightened parading him like in a
Circus and say; look here, he is enlightened, see what TM can do. This will
never happen.For this reason, anyone living in freedom like Fleetwood who is
willing to share his experiences is doing everyone a great favor and we should
be thankful that he is willing to spend some of his time here.
The future of mankind is bright, and that is our delight-Maharishi
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
One of the signposts of your lack of enlightenment is your attachment to your delusion that you are enlightened. And your vituperative attacks on those who challenge you on it. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more This is a delusion - no one has ever become enlightened doing TM - ever, in the nearly 60 years TM has existed. I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write??? lol Enlightenment doesn't happen overnight, as you expected it to. It takes a lot of work, a lot of time, and a person, through the integration of TM and activity, must get to know themselves, very well, on all levels, emotionally, mentally, and physically. Only then will a person achieve enlightenment, all pervading pure awareness, and silence. If, on the other hand, they spend their time on wasteful pursuits, like envying, blaming and resenting others, as you do, it is a pity you started, for a halfway journey will only make you sensitive to your suffering, without having reached the goal. The regular practice, by anyone, of TM and the TMSP does lead to enlightenment, silence, Being. Get on with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : enlightenment is achievable, by anyone, using the techniques of TM and the TM Sidhis. This is a delusion - no one has ever become enlightened doing TM - ever, in the nearly 60 years TM has existed. No one. The anger and vituperation you exhibit in your writings are indicative of your lack of enlightenment as defined by Marshy himself. I am not saying enlightenment can't occur in someone practicing TM, but much more prevalent are the 90% of TM initiates who quit TM in the first year, more, much more prevalent are the scores of people left who do TM and have flat to no experiences and those who have so-called good experiences yet remain ignorance and those few who have fabulous experiences that always come to an end with time and those who go nuts or kill themselves or become basket cases through TM's negative side effects, called unstressing. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 10:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more If I boil this down, there is a familiar, and tiresome, challenge here - Is Jim's enlightenment real? Specifically his reports of 24/7 silence? Can the two even be equated? Here is my esteemed answer: Who cares? I don't. I've written volumes about my experience, far more than the snippet below. Knock yourself out dude, trying to prove my enlightenment, one way or the other. My point has always been that enlightenment is achievable, by anyone, using the techniques of TM and the TM Sidhis. If I can do it, anyone can. Enlightenment is a natural state of consciousness. That's the point. Now, stay on point - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : This is in regard to the faux enlightenment call that Barry makes in regard to Jim. Now I do not know what Barry experiences, or what Jim experiences, but Barry always seems to me more in control of what he says than Jim. At any rate the exchanges between these two would not probably pass muster as a discussion that had anything to do with enlightenment, but Barry is not claiming that this is what it is about, while Jim seems to be promoting the exchange as a demonstration of enlightenment (Jim) versus ignorance (Barry). Jim said the following (emphasis in the original): Enlightenment is simply defined as life, accompanied by eternal and deep silence, Being, during any state of consciousness. End of story. There are no automatic attributes beyond that, as the universe takes care of the rest. Anyone can gain enlightenment, and with that, their individuality will always express enlightenment. To try for some sort of personal algorithm beyond that, is a fool's errand; better to focus on your own path, than try to come up with any comprehensive list of personal attributes. Silence in activity, always. Period. In the following the first four paragraphs are an edited down version of an essay by a Vedantist. The rather short attention span of most of the readers on FFL is the reason for the edits. 'Many teachers promote one of the most famous myths, that silence is somehow the ultimate teaching. While understanding the nature of the self in silence apparently finishes seeking for a few individuals, silence is certainly not superior to the skillful use of words in bringing about enlightenment. This is so because silence is in harmony, not in conflict, with self ignorance, as it is with everything.' 'One can sit in silence without instruction for lifetimes
[FairfieldLife] Qualities exhibited by FFLers claiming to be enlightened
Not all of these characteristics have been exhibited by ALL of the four people I remember who have claimed on Fairfield Life to be enlightened (or to have been in the past), but each of these characteristics has been exhibited by at least one of them, sometimes by more than one. - Claiming that he had never physically struck one of his students, even after first-person testimony on FFL proved that he had. - Claiming that all of his wishes are instantly fulfilled while whining incessantly about the fact that people he has said he wishes would leave FFL don't. - Making posts pretending to be another person (and signing the other person's name to those posts) in which he made statements that would damage the professional reputation of the person he's pretending to be. - Pretending to be a woman. For months. When caught, never admitting it. - Claiming to have perfect knowledge of all things while claiming that the original Buddha (who didn't believe in God) wrote, God is love. - Being so unable to control himself that he holds the FFL record for overposting, having been banned from posting for something like 9 weeks total. - Being in fourth and fifth place using the same Sitting On The Overposter's Bench scale. (What IS is about the TM enlightened that leaves them unable to count to 50?) - Claiming that one is not stalking someone while posting photographs of the stalkee that can only be found by reading *a third party's* accounts on Facebook or other forums. - Not only admitting to getting underage girls drunk at a bar in an attempt to seduce them, but being so misogynist as to brag about it. - Lying about other posters in an *admitted* attempt to harm their career. - Being so obsessed with someone he doesn't like as to write 40 posts in one day ragging on him, in between claiming to be enlightened and talking about how unattached he is, of course. I'm sure that others can think of other examples of enlightened behavior demonstrated in the past on FFL by the four people who have used the forum to proclaim their supposed enlightenment. Please share them...it should help to expand the canon of knowledge about exactly what enlightenment is...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Yogic Flying - really cool! | | | | | | | | | | | Yogic Flying - really cool! | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. NEVER. NOT ONCE. The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. NOT ONE. ZERO. BUPKUS. So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. And I can prove it. All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. Better luck next time... :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write? This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL. Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When due to lack of perserverance and self-control they failed they blame the teacher rather than analyzing their own shortcomings. The anger and resentment bordering on hate Fleetwood meets here is the same Adyashanti describes in Buddhist circles where anyone claiming to living the goal is labeled a fraud. The Buddha made 500 souls enlightened yet Buddhists today seems incapable of seeing that this is not only old stories but a reality also today. A friend of mine who goes for prolonged stays in Fairfield every year to do Programme in the dome reports that Fleetwood is far from the only person living the natural state of enlightenment. Quite the contrary, the experiences of higher states of consciousness in daily life is getting stronger and stronger every year. But to the consternation of loosers like the Turq or MJ, the Movement will never point the finger at an Enlightened parading him like in a Circus and say; look here, he is enlightened, see what TM can do. This will never happen. For this reason, anyone living in freedom like Fleetwood who is willing to share his experiences is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
God I know, what a ludicrous suggestion. Barry thinks the enlightened people want to be proclaimed and shown off. Nothing further from the truth. They are already rewarded beyond measure, needing nothing more than what naturally gravitates to them. There is no need for anything, adulation included. They are who they are, and that is pay back enough. Waking state people like Barry, are the ones who dream of being lauded and famous. But that is simply because a person in waking state is needy, and this feeling is transferred to the enlightened person, who is never needy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. NEVER. NOT ONCE. The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. NOT ONE. ZERO. BUPKUS. So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. And I can prove it. All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. Better luck next time... :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write? This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL. Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When due to lack of perserverance and self-control they failed they blame the teacher rather than analyzing their own shortcomings. The anger and resentment bordering on hate Fleetwood meets here is the same Adyashanti describes in Buddhist circles where anyone claiming to living the goal is labeled a fraud. The Buddha made 500 souls enlightened yet Buddhists today seems incapable of seeing that this is not only old stories but a reality also today. A friend of mine who goes for prolonged stays in Fairfield every year to do Programme in the dome reports that Fleetwood is far from the only person living the natural state of enlightenment. Quite the contrary, the experiences of higher states of consciousness in daily life is getting stronger and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Damn Barry, you nailed it again.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish
more
It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved.
If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as
the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would
think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the
truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should
schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world.
However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that
proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the
planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual
and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is
enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So
it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now.
Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has
produced someone enlightened.
NEVER.
NOT ONCE.
The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have
learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM
organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly
and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by
practicing the fastest path to it.
NOT ONE.
ZERO.
BUPKUS.
So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John
Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is
speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not
gonna happen.
Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim.
Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any
generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself,
or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it.
And I can prove it.
All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say,
Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem
to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow
him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is
enlightened.
So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the
same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level
of believability as Bill Cosby.
So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can.
Better luck next time... :-)
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish
more
I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write?
This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL.
Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of
young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that
enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by
Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When due to lack of perserverance
and self-control they failed they blame the teacher rather than analyzing their
own shortcomings. The anger and resentment bordering on hate Fleetwood meets
here is the same Adyashanti describes in Buddhist circles where anyone claiming
to living the goal is labeled a fraud. The Buddha made 500 souls enlightened
yet Buddhists today seems incapable of seeing that this is not only old stories
but a reality also today.
A friend of mine who goes for prolonged stays in Fairfield every year to do
Programme in the dome reports that Fleetwood is far from the only person living
the natural state of enlightenment. Quite the contrary, the experiences of
higher states of consciousness in daily life is getting stronger and stronger
every year. But to the consternation of loosers like the Turq or MJ, the
Movement will never point the finger at an Enlightened parading him like in a
Circus and say; look here, he is enlightened, see what TM can do. This will
never happen.
For this reason, anyone living in freedom like Fleetwood who is willing to
share his experiences is doing everyone a great favor and we should be thankful
that he is willing to spend some of his time here.
The future of mankind is bright, and that is our delight-Maharishi
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Many Swami Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are waiting to be published
NNY didn't allow himself on the puja table when he was alive And so, now that he is dead, you're going to go against his express wishes that he made clear while he was alive because??? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Maharishi originated TM. He was not allowing himself to be on the puja table while alive but he should be now. No-one else's teaching is at all needed . Good for you to be doing service to Brahmanada Saraswati but there is no greater teacher than Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is our Guru Dev now. Maharaja is also our Guru Dev. Jaya Guru Deva.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
You wish! LOL. Some vituperative (nice one) attack below, Michael. I called you on your shit, and you asked for it. And now you don't like what I said. And THIS is supposed to prove what?? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One of the signposts of your lack of enlightenment is your attachment to your delusion that you are enlightened. And your vituperative attacks on those who challenge you on it. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more This is a delusion - no one has ever become enlightened doing TM - ever, in the nearly 60 years TM has existed. I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write??? lol Enlightenment doesn't happen overnight, as you expected it to. It takes a lot of work, a lot of time, and a person, through the integration of TM and activity, must get to know themselves, very well, on all levels, emotionally, mentally, and physically. Only then will a person achieve enlightenment, all pervading pure awareness, and silence. If, on the other hand, they spend their time on wasteful pursuits, like envying, blaming and resenting others, as you do, it is a pity you started, for a halfway journey will only make you sensitive to your suffering, without having reached the goal. The regular practice, by anyone, of TM and the TMSP does lead to enlightenment, silence, Being. Get on with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : enlightenment is achievable, by anyone, using the techniques of TM and the TM Sidhis. This is a delusion - no one has ever become enlightened doing TM - ever, in the nearly 60 years TM has existed. No one. The anger and vituperation you exhibit in your writings are indicative of your lack of enlightenment as defined by Marshy himself. I am not saying enlightenment can't occur in someone practicing TM, but much more prevalent are the 90% of TM initiates who quit TM in the first year, more, much more prevalent are the scores of people left who do TM and have flat to no experiences and those who have so-called good experiences yet remain ignorance and those few who have fabulous experiences that always come to an end with time and those who go nuts or kill themselves or become basket cases through TM's negative side effects, called unstressing. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 10:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more If I boil this down, there is a familiar, and tiresome, challenge here - Is Jim's enlightenment real? Specifically his reports of 24/7 silence? Can the two even be equated? Here is my esteemed answer: Who cares? I don't. I've written volumes about my experience, far more than the snippet below. Knock yourself out dude, trying to prove my enlightenment, one way or the other. My point has always been that enlightenment is achievable, by anyone, using the techniques of TM and the TM Sidhis. If I can do it, anyone can. Enlightenment is a natural state of consciousness. That's the point. Now, stay on point - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : This is in regard to the faux enlightenment call that Barry makes in regard to Jim. Now I do not know what Barry experiences, or what Jim experiences, but Barry always seems to me more in control of what he says than Jim. At any rate the exchanges between these two would not probably pass muster as a discussion that had anything to do with enlightenment, but Barry is not claiming that this is what it is about, while Jim seems to be promoting the exchange as a demonstration of enlightenment (Jim) versus ignorance (Barry). Jim said the following (emphasis in the original): Enlightenment is simply defined as life, accompanied by eternal and deep silence, Being, during any state of consciousness. End of story. There are no automatic attributes beyond that, as the universe takes care of the rest. Anyone can gain enlightenment, and with that, their individuality will always express enlightenment. To try for some sort of personal algorithm beyond that, is a fool's errand; better to focus on your own path, than try to come up with any comprehensive list of personal attributes. Silence in activity, always. Period. In the following the first four paragraphs are an edited down version of an essay by a Vedantist. The rather short attention span of most of the readers on FFL is the reason for the edits. 'Many teachers promote one of the most famous myths, that silence is somehow the ultimate teaching. While understanding the nature of the self in silence
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
What an absurd thing to say, even for a whacked out individual like you Nappy - the TMO has engaged in PLENTY of circus like activities such as claiming the TM Siddhi programme will teach people to fly, turn invisible etc. AND proclaiming the flying demonstrations and claiming the be able to create world peace for the price of one billion dollars??? If that wasn't a circus presentation put on by Mahesh the Fraud Varma himself, nothing in this would would qualify as circus like. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. NEVER. NOT ONCE. The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. NOT ONE. ZERO. BUPKUS. So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. And I can prove it. All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. Better luck next time... :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write? This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL. Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When due to lack of perserverance and self-control they failed they blame the teacher rather than analyzing their own shortcomings. The anger and resentment bordering on hate Fleetwood meets here is the same Adyashanti describes in Buddhist circles where anyone claiming to living the goal is labeled a fraud. The Buddha made 500 souls enlightened yet Buddhists today seems incapable of seeing that this is not only old stories but a reality also today. A friend of mine who goes for prolonged stays in Fairfield every year to do Programme in the dome reports that Fleetwood is far from the only person living the natural state of enlightenment. Quite the contrary, the experiences of higher states of consciousness in daily life is getting stronger and stronger every year. But to the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Qualities exhibited by FFLers claiming to be enlightened
I know you don't like it, Barry, but I cannot help being enlightened, any more than you can help being incredibly ignorant. We both get exactly what we deserve. Sorry, and I honestly hope your life improves, and you no longer have to waste time, railing at an enlightened person, who looks on you, with humor and pity, both. You blew it buddy, and there is nothing you can do about it. Certainly, denigrating my enlightenment is the LAST THING you want to do, as it only confuses you further. You do yourself no favors this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Not all of these characteristics have been exhibited by ALL of the four people I remember who have claimed on Fairfield Life to be enlightened (or to have been in the past), but each of these characteristics has been exhibited by at least one of them, sometimes by more than one. - Claiming that he had never physically struck one of his students, even after first-person testimony on FFL proved that he had. - Claiming that all of his wishes are instantly fulfilled while whining incessantly about the fact that people he has said he wishes would leave FFL don't. - Making posts pretending to be another person (and signing the other person's name to those posts) in which he made statements that would damage the professional reputation of the person he's pretending to be. - Pretending to be a woman. For months. When caught, never admitting it. - Claiming to have perfect knowledge of all things while claiming that the original Buddha (who didn't believe in God) wrote, God is love. - Being so unable to control himself that he holds the FFL record for overposting, having been banned from posting for something like 9 weeks total. - Being in fourth and fifth place using the same Sitting On The Overposter's Bench scale. (What IS is about the TM enlightened that leaves them unable to count to 50?) - Claiming that one is not stalking someone while posting photographs of the stalkee that can only be found by reading *a third party's* accounts on Facebook or other forums. - Not only admitting to getting underage girls drunk at a bar in an attempt to seduce them, but being so misogynist as to brag about it. - Lying about other posters in an *admitted* attempt to harm their career. - Being so obsessed with someone he doesn't like as to write 40 posts in one day ragging on him, in between claiming to be enlightened and talking about how unattached he is, of course. I'm sure that others can think of other examples of enlightened behavior demonstrated in the past on FFL by the four people who have used the forum to proclaim their supposed enlightenment. Please share them...it should help to expand the canon of knowledge about exactly what enlightenment is...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more One of the signposts of your lack of enlightenment is your attachment to your delusion that you are enlightened. And your vituperative attacks on those who challenge you on it. The thing I find most fascinating about his tendency to get angry and lash out is that he got his panties in a twist less often during the several months when he was actually *wearing* panties while posting to FFL as a woman than he does while posting as a guy. Go figure. :-) :-) :-) From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com This is a delusion - no one has ever become enlightened doing TM - ever, in the nearly 60 years TM has existed. I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write??? lol Enlightenment doesn't happen overnight, as you expected it to. It takes a lot of work, a lot of time, and a person, through the integration of TM and activity, must get to know themselves, very well, on all levels, emotionally, mentally, and physically. Only then will a person achieve enlightenment, all pervading pure awareness, and silence. If, on the other hand, they spend their time on wasteful pursuits, like envying, blaming and resenting others, as you do, it is a pity you started, for a halfway journey will only make you sensitive to your suffering, without having reached the goal. The regular practice, by anyone, of TM and the TMSP does lead to enlightenment, silence, Being. Get on with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : enlightenment is achievable, by anyone, using the techniques of TM and the TM Sidhis. This is a delusion - no one has ever become enlightened doing TM - ever, in the nearly 60 years TM has existed. No one. The anger and vituperation you exhibit in your writings are indicative of your lack of enlightenment as defined by Marshy himself. I am not saying enlightenment can't occur in someone practicing TM, but much more prevalent are the 90% of TM initiates who quit TM in the first year, more, much more prevalent are the scores of people left who do TM and have flat to no experiences and those who have so-called good experiences yet remain ignorance and those few who have fabulous experiences that always come to an end with time and those who go nuts or kill themselves or become basket cases through TM's negative side effects, called unstressing. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 10:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more If I boil this down, there is a familiar, and tiresome, challenge here - Is Jim's enlightenment real? Specifically his reports of 24/7 silence? Can the two even be equated? Here is my esteemed answer: Who cares? I don't. I've written volumes about my experience, far more than the snippet below. Knock yourself out dude, trying to prove my enlightenment, one way or the other. My point has always been that enlightenment is achievable, by anyone, using the techniques of TM and the TM Sidhis. If I can do it, anyone can. Enlightenment is a natural state of consciousness. That's the point. Now, stay on point - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : This is in regard to the faux enlightenment call that Barry makes in regard to Jim. Now I do not know what Barry experiences, or what Jim experiences, but Barry always seems to me more in control of what he says than Jim. At any rate the exchanges between these two would not probably pass muster as a discussion that had anything to do with enlightenment, but Barry is not claiming that this is what it is about, while Jim seems to be promoting the exchange as a demonstration of enlightenment (Jim) versus ignorance (Barry). Jim said the following (emphasis in the original): Enlightenment is simply defined as life, accompanied by eternal and deep silence, Being, during any state of consciousness. End of story. There are no automatic attributes beyond that, as the universe takes care of the rest. Anyone can gain enlightenment, and with that, their individuality will always express enlightenment. To try for some sort of personal algorithm beyond that, is a fool's errand; better to focus on your own path, than try to come up with any comprehensive list of personal attributes. Silence in activity, always. Period. In the following the first four paragraphs are an edited down version of an essay by a Vedantist. The rather short attention span of most of the readers on FFL is the reason for the edits. 'Many teachers promote one of the most famous myths,
Re: [FairfieldLife] German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death
You are a gullible idiot.
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 5:35 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death
Berlin| A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the
Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had
proven by clinical experimentation, the existence of some form of life after
death. This astonishing announcement is based on the conclusions of a study
using a new type of medically supervised near-death experiences, that allow
patients to be clinically dead for almost 20 minutes before being brought back
to life. - See more at: German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
It may come as a surprise to you but the only people who believe in your enlightenment are you and crack pot Nappy. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more You wish! LOL. Some vituperative (nice one) attack below, Michael. I called you on your shit, and you asked for it. And now you don't like what I said. And THIS is supposed to prove what?? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One of the signposts of your lack of enlightenment is your attachment to your delusion that you are enlightened. And your vituperative attacks on those who challenge you on it. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more This is a delusion - no one has ever become enlightened doing TM - ever, in the nearly 60 years TM has existed. I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write??? lol Enlightenment doesn't happen overnight, as you expected it to. It takes a lot of work, a lot of time, and a person, through the integration of TM and activity, must get to know themselves, very well, on all levels, emotionally, mentally, and physically. Only then will a person achieve enlightenment, all pervading pure awareness, and silence. If, on the other hand, they spend their time on wasteful pursuits, like envying, blaming and resenting others, as you do, it is a pity you started, for a halfway journey will only make you sensitive to your suffering, without having reached the goal. The regular practice, by anyone, of TM and the TMSP does lead to enlightenment, silence, Being. Get on with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : enlightenment is achievable, by anyone, using the techniques of TM and the TM Sidhis. This is a delusion - no one has ever become enlightened doing TM - ever, in the nearly 60 years TM has existed. No one. The anger and vituperation you exhibit in your writings are indicative of your lack of enlightenment as defined by Marshy himself. I am not saying enlightenment can't occur in someone practicing TM, but much more prevalent are the 90% of TM initiates who quit TM in the first year, more, much more prevalent are the scores of people left who do TM and have flat to no experiences and those who have so-called good experiences yet remain ignorance and those few who have fabulous experiences that always come to an end with time and those who go nuts or kill themselves or become basket cases through TM's negative side effects, called unstressing. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 10:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more If I boil this down, there is a familiar, and tiresome, challenge here - Is Jim's enlightenment real? Specifically his reports of 24/7 silence? Can the two even be equated? Here is my esteemed answer: Who cares? I don't. I've written volumes about my experience, far more than the snippet below. Knock yourself out dude, trying to prove my enlightenment, one way or the other. My point has always been that enlightenment is achievable, by anyone, using the techniques of TM and the TM Sidhis. If I can do it, anyone can. Enlightenment is a natural state of consciousness. That's the point. Now, stay on point - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : This is in regard to the faux enlightenment call that Barry makes in regard to Jim. Now I do not know what Barry experiences, or what Jim experiences, but Barry always seems to me more in control of what he says than Jim. At any rate the exchanges between these two would not probably pass muster as a discussion that had anything to do with enlightenment, but Barry is not claiming that this is what it is about, while Jim seems to be promoting the exchange as a demonstration of enlightenment (Jim) versus ignorance (Barry). Jim said the following (emphasis in the original): Enlightenment is simply defined as life, accompanied by eternal and deep silence, Being, during any state of consciousness. End of story. There are no automatic attributes beyond that, as the universe takes care of the rest. Anyone can gain enlightenment, and with that, their individuality will always express enlightenment. To try for some sort of personal algorithm beyond that, is a fool's errand; better to focus on your own path, than try to come up with any comprehensive list of personal attributes. Silence in activity, always. Period. In the following the first four paragraphs are
Re: [FairfieldLife] German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death
Yeah, but is there CANNIBALISM after death? Given the way you were falling all
over yourself the other day praising people who practice it, won't you feel
let down if you find that there is life after death but that you can no
longer chow down on your fellow man? :-)
Also, Nabby, since you know it's gonna come up...do the Space Brothers you and
Benny Creme go on about feel the same way about cannibalism that you do? Should
we be concerned if (like the Twilight Zone episode) they come bearing a book
called To Serve Man? :-)
And when Maitreya (the returned Christ according to some of your own posts)
shows up and has to feed the masses the way the original Christ did, is he
going to accomplish this by saying, Yea verily I saw unto thee...if thou art
hungry, turn and take a big honkin' bite out of the person on your left. :-)
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:35 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death
Berlin| A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the
Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had
proven by clinical experimentation, the existence of some form of life after
death. This astonishing announcement is based on the conclusions of a study
using a new type of medically supervised near-death experiences, that allow
patients to be clinically dead for almost 20 minutes before being brought back
to life. - See more at: German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Have I ever indicated that is a problem? You think it is, and Barry thinks it is, but I don't care. PS Hopes this sinks in - You and he are looking pretty stoopid, trying to make this an issue... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It may come as a surprise to you but the only people who believe in your enlightenment are you and crack pot Nappy. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more You wish! LOL. Some vituperative (nice one) attack below, Michael. I called you on your shit, and you asked for it. And now you don't like what I said. And THIS is supposed to prove what?? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One of the signposts of your lack of enlightenment is your attachment to your delusion that you are enlightened. And your vituperative attacks on those who challenge you on it. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more This is a delusion - no one has ever become enlightened doing TM - ever, in the nearly 60 years TM has existed. I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write??? lol Enlightenment doesn't happen overnight, as you expected it to. It takes a lot of work, a lot of time, and a person, through the integration of TM and activity, must get to know themselves, very well, on all levels, emotionally, mentally, and physically. Only then will a person achieve enlightenment, all pervading pure awareness, and silence. If, on the other hand, they spend their time on wasteful pursuits, like envying, blaming and resenting others, as you do, it is a pity you started, for a halfway journey will only make you sensitive to your suffering, without having reached the goal. The regular practice, by anyone, of TM and the TMSP does lead to enlightenment, silence, Being. Get on with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : enlightenment is achievable, by anyone, using the techniques of TM and the TM Sidhis. This is a delusion - no one has ever become enlightened doing TM - ever, in the nearly 60 years TM has existed. No one. The anger and vituperation you exhibit in your writings are indicative of your lack of enlightenment as defined by Marshy himself. I am not saying enlightenment can't occur in someone practicing TM, but much more prevalent are the 90% of TM initiates who quit TM in the first year, more, much more prevalent are the scores of people left who do TM and have flat to no experiences and those who have so-called good experiences yet remain ignorance and those few who have fabulous experiences that always come to an end with time and those who go nuts or kill themselves or become basket cases through TM's negative side effects, called unstressing. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 10:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more If I boil this down, there is a familiar, and tiresome, challenge here - Is Jim's enlightenment real? Specifically his reports of 24/7 silence? Can the two even be equated? Here is my esteemed answer: Who cares? I don't. I've written volumes about my experience, far more than the snippet below. Knock yourself out dude, trying to prove my enlightenment, one way or the other. My point has always been that enlightenment is achievable, by anyone, using the techniques of TM and the TM Sidhis. If I can do it, anyone can. Enlightenment is a natural state of consciousness. That's the point. Now, stay on point - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : This is in regard to the faux enlightenment call that Barry makes in regard to Jim. Now I do not know what Barry experiences, or what Jim experiences, but Barry always seems to me more in control of what he says than Jim. At any rate the exchanges between these two would not probably pass muster as a discussion that had anything to do with enlightenment, but Barry is not claiming that this is what it is about, while Jim seems to be promoting the exchange as a demonstration of enlightenment (Jim) versus ignorance (Barry). Jim said the following (emphasis in the original): Enlightenment is simply defined as life, accompanied by eternal and deep silence, Being, during any state of consciousness. End of story. There are no automatic attributes beyond that, as the universe takes care of the rest. Anyone can gain enlightenment, and with that, their
[FairfieldLife] Brazil alters flight number on clairvoyant crash call
Brazilian airline TAM changed one of its flight numbers after a renowned clairvoyant predicted a plane bearing the original number would crash shortly after takeoff. Jucelino Nobrega da Luz, who says he predicted the deaths of Princess Diana and Brazilian racing legend Ayrton Senna, told authorities flight JJ3720, set to depart Wednesday from Sao Paulo to Brasilia, would develop engine trouble and crash on Sao Paulo's main Paulista drag. Leaving nothing to chance, TAM changed the flight code to JJ4732 after receiving what it termed indispensable information, saying passenger security was paramount at all times. Media quoted Nobrega da Luz Friday as saying he had most recently predicted the August death in a plane crash of Brazilian presidential candidate Eduardo Campos. But he was notably off beam on the outcome of Brazil's 2006 presidential elections and also on a vaccine for AIDS being discovered in 2008. Clairvoyant crash call http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/63455454/brazil-alters-flight-number-on-clairvoyant-crash-call.html http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/63455454/brazil-alters-flight-number-on-clairvoyant-crash-call.html Clairvoyant crash call http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/63455454/brazil-alters-flight-number-on-clairvoyant-crash-call.html Brazilian airline TAM changed one of its flight numbers after a renowned clairvoyant predicted... http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/63455454/brazil-alters-flight-number-on-clairvoyant-crash-call.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death
another reeeally lame post... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Yeah, but is there CANNIBALISM after death? Given the way you were falling all over yourself the other day praising people who practice it, won't you feel let down if you find that there is life after death but that you can no longer chow down on your fellow man? :-) Also, Nabby, since you know it's gonna come up...do the Space Brothers you and Benny Creme go on about feel the same way about cannibalism that you do? Should we be concerned if (like the Twilight Zone episode) they come bearing a book called To Serve Man? :-) And when Maitreya (the returned Christ according to some of your own posts) shows up and has to feed the masses the way the original Christ did, is he going to accomplish this by saying, Yea verily I saw unto thee...if thou art hungry, turn and take a big honkin' bite out of the person on your left. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death Berlin| A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had proven by clinical experimentation, the existence of some form of life after death. This astonishing announcement is based on the conclusions of a study using a new type of medically supervised near-death experiences, that allow patients to be clinically dead for almost 20 minutes before being brought back to life. - See more at: German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf Berlin| A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had ... View on worldnewsdailyreport... http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Oh, right. Time travel and dogs as masters and witnessing levitation, and now, remote viewing of my underwear. As long as there is no remote touching...Even if your roomies want nothing to do with you sexually, keep yer old meaty paws off me. lol ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more One of the signposts of your lack of enlightenment is your attachment to your delusion that you are enlightened. And your vituperative attacks on those who challenge you on it. The thing I find most fascinating about his tendency to get angry and lash out is that he got his panties in a twist less often during the several months when he was actually *wearing* panties while posting to FFL as a woman than he does while posting as a guy. Go figure. :-) :-) :-) From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com This is a delusion - no one has ever become enlightened doing TM - ever, in the nearly 60 years TM has existed. I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write??? lol Enlightenment doesn't happen overnight, as you expected it to. It takes a lot of work, a lot of time, and a person, through the integration of TM and activity, must get to know themselves, very well, on all levels, emotionally, mentally, and physically. Only then will a person achieve enlightenment, all pervading pure awareness, and silence. If, on the other hand, they spend their time on wasteful pursuits, like envying, blaming and resenting others, as you do, it is a pity you started, for a halfway journey will only make you sensitive to your suffering, without having reached the goal. The regular practice, by anyone, of TM and the TMSP does lead to enlightenment, silence, Being. Get on with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : enlightenment is achievable, by anyone, using the techniques of TM and the TM Sidhis. This is a delusion - no one has ever become enlightened doing TM - ever, in the nearly 60 years TM has existed. No one. The anger and vituperation you exhibit in your writings are indicative of your lack of enlightenment as defined by Marshy himself. I am not saying enlightenment can't occur in someone practicing TM, but much more prevalent are the 90% of TM initiates who quit TM in the first year, more, much more prevalent are the scores of people left who do TM and have flat to no experiences and those who have so-called good experiences yet remain ignorance and those few who have fabulous experiences that always come to an end with time and those who go nuts or kill themselves or become basket cases through TM's negative side effects, called unstressing. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 10:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more If I boil this down, there is a familiar, and tiresome, challenge here - Is Jim's enlightenment real? Specifically his reports of 24/7 silence? Can the two even be equated? Here is my esteemed answer: Who cares? I don't. I've written volumes about my experience, far more than the snippet below. Knock yourself out dude, trying to prove my enlightenment, one way or the other. My point has always been that enlightenment is achievable, by anyone, using the techniques of TM and the TM Sidhis. If I can do it, anyone can. Enlightenment is a natural state of consciousness. That's the point. Now, stay on point - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : This is in regard to the faux enlightenment call that Barry makes in regard to Jim. Now I do not know what Barry experiences, or what Jim experiences, but Barry always seems to me more in control of what he says than Jim. At any rate the exchanges between these two would not probably pass muster as a discussion that had anything to do with enlightenment, but Barry is not claiming that this is what it is about, while Jim seems to be promoting the exchange as a demonstration of enlightenment (Jim) versus ignorance (Barry). Jim said the following (emphasis in the original): Enlightenment is simply defined as life, accompanied by eternal and deep silence, Being, during any state of consciousness. End of story. There are no automatic attributes beyond that, as the universe takes care of the rest. Anyone can gain enlightenment, and with that, their individuality will always express enlightenment. To try for some sort of personal algorithm beyond that, is a fool's errand; better to focus on your own
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
My, what an objective stance. LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Then where are the effects of these so-called enlightened people? According to your much vaunted Supreme Master Mahesh the Fraud Varma, the effect of a person living in enlightenment is profound. They supposedly radiate all this energy and sattva, supposedly uphold and enliven all the laws of nature and all that crap, yet Fairfield and all other TM communities are just communities like all the rest where people live and die and have problems like everyone else. Your assertion that there are many TM practitioners who are enlightened is an absurd fantasy. If there were such people the effect, according to Marshy would be fabulous and obvious. I will ask again, since you believe TM is so very fabulous, why don't you repudiate your UFO and Benjy Creme beliefs so the TMO will take you back and you become recertifed so you can teach this oh so supreme deal to the ignorant of the world? And if TM is so grand, why is it that the world has to have Maitreya come and straighten the world out? How come TM isn't gonna do it? Or are you still having the fantasy that Maitreya will tell everyone to do TM and it will be mandatory and he will appoint you as head of the Movement? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write? This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL. Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When due to lack of perserverance and self-control they failed they blame the teacher rather than analyzing their own shortcomings. The anger and resentment bordering on hate Fleetwood meets here is the same Adyashanti describes in Buddhist circles where anyone claiming to living the goal is labeled a fraud. The Buddha made 500 souls enlightened yet Buddhists today seems incapable of seeing that this is not only old stories but a reality also today. A friend of mine who goes for prolonged stays in Fairfield every year to do Programme in the dome reports that Fleetwood is far from the only person living the natural state of enlightenment. Quite the contrary, the experiences of higher states of consciousness in daily life is getting stronger and stronger every year. But to the consternation of loosers like the Turq or MJ, the Movement will never point the finger at an Enlightened parading him like in a Circus and say; look here, he is enlightened, see what TM can do. This will never happen. For this reason, anyone living in freedom like Fleetwood who is willing to share his experiences is doing everyone a great favor and we should be thankful that he is willing to spend some of his time here. The future of mankind is bright, and that is our delight -Maharishi
Re: [FairfieldLife] German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death
We know the Turq is ignorant about Tantra even though he used to call himself uncletantra, but does he have to spell it out for all the lurking reporters to see :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Yeah, but is there CANNIBALISM after death? Given the way you were falling all over yourself the other day praising people who practice it, won't you feel let down if you find that there is life after death but that you can no longer chow down on your fellow man? :-) Also, Nabby, since you know it's gonna come up...do the Space Brothers you and Benny Creme go on about feel the same way about cannibalism that you do? Should we be concerned if (like the Twilight Zone episode) they come bearing a book called To Serve Man? :-) And when Maitreya (the returned Christ according to some of your own posts) shows up and has to feed the masses the way the original Christ did, is he going to accomplish this by saying, Yea verily I saw unto thee...if thou art hungry, turn and take a big honkin' bite out of the person on your left. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death Berlin| A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had proven by clinical experimentation, the existence of some form of life after death. This astonishing announcement is based on the conclusions of a study using a new type of medically supervised near-death experiences, that allow patients to be clinically dead for almost 20 minutes before being brought back to life. - See more at: German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf Berlin| A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had ... View on worldnewsdailyreport... http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.y9EXFMpd.dpuf Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
The poor fellow has flipped out. Sri Raj Nablusoss, King of the TMO :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : My, what an objective stance. LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Then where are the effects of these so-called enlightened people? According to your much vaunted Supreme Master Mahesh the Fraud Varma, the effect of a person living in enlightenment is profound. They supposedly radiate all this energy and sattva, supposedly uphold and enliven all the laws of nature and all that crap, yet Fairfield and all other TM communities are just communities like all the rest where people live and die and have problems like everyone else. Your assertion that there are many TM practitioners who are enlightened is an absurd fantasy. If there were such people the effect, according to Marshy would be fabulous and obvious. I will ask again, since you believe TM is so very fabulous, why don't you repudiate your UFO and Benjy Creme beliefs so the TMO will take you back and you become recertifed so you can teach this oh so supreme deal to the ignorant of the world? And if TM is so grand, why is it that the world has to have Maitreya come and straighten the world out? How come TM isn't gonna do it? Or are you still having the fantasy that Maitreya will tell everyone to do TM and it will be mandatory and he will appoint you as head of the Movement? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write? This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL. Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When due to lack of perserverance and self-control they failed they blame the teacher rather than analyzing their own shortcomings. The anger and resentment bordering on hate Fleetwood meets here is the same Adyashanti describes in Buddhist circles where anyone claiming to living the goal is labeled a fraud. The Buddha made 500 souls enlightened yet Buddhists today seems incapable of seeing that this is not only old stories but a reality also today. A friend of mine who goes for prolonged stays in Fairfield every year to do Programme in the dome reports that Fleetwood is far from the only person living the natural state of enlightenment. Quite the contrary, the experiences of higher states of consciousness in daily life is getting stronger and stronger every year. But to the consternation of loosers like the Turq or MJ, the Movement will never point the finger at an Enlightened parading him like in a Circus and say; look here, he is enlightened, see what TM can do. This will never happen. For this reason, anyone living in freedom like Fleetwood who is willing to share his experiences is doing everyone a great favor and we should be thankful that he is willing to spend some of his time here. The future of mankind is bright, and that is our delight -Maharishi
Re: [FairfieldLife] German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
We know the Turq is ignorant about Tantra even though he used to call
himself uncletantra, but does he have to spell it out for all the lurking
reporters to see :-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Yeah, but is there CANNIBALISM after death? Given the way you were falling all
over yourself the other day praising people who practice it, won't you feel
let down if you find that there is life after death but that you can no
longer chow down on your fellow man? :-)
Also, Nabby, since you know it's gonna come up...do the Space Brothers you and
Benny Creme go on about feel the same way about cannibalism that you do? Should
we be concerned if (like the Twilight Zone episode) they come bearing a book
called To Serve Man? :-)
And when Maitreya (the returned Christ according to some of your own posts)
shows up and has to feed the masses the way the original Christ did, is he
going to accomplish this by saying, Yea verily I saw unto thee...if thou art
hungry, turn and take a big honkin' bite out of the person on your left. :-)
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:35 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death
Berlin| A team of psychologists and medical doctors associated with the
Technische Universität of Berlin, have announced this morning that they had
proven by clinical experimentation, the existence of some form of life after
death. This astonishing announcement is based on the conclusions of a study
using a new type of medically supervised near-death experiences, that allow
patients to be clinically dead for almost 20 minutes before being brought back
to life. - See more at: German Scientists Prove There is Life After Death
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Re: [FairfieldLife] All you need to know about the differences between US and Netherlands
So beautiful, thanks, and full of light,
that even the demonizing dichotomizing, Netherlands good, America badgets
suffused with light...
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 1:26 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] All you need to know about the differences between US
and Netherlands
Americans use drones to surveil people they don't like and kill them. The
Dutch use drones to see things they wouldn't normally have been able to see, so
they can enjoy them.
Waiting 10 Months For The Perfect Drone Footage
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| Waiting 10 Months For The Perfect Drone FootageDutch filmmakers Jelte Keur
and Reinout van Schie waited 10 months for the right weather conditions to
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[FairfieldLife] Contest: Pick the best enlightened_dawn11 photo
Based on her many posts to Fairfield Life, which photo best represents enlightened_dawn11, as you always imagined her? A) B) C) D) E)
[FairfieldLife] Another One for Ann
Showing the effect of America's ongoing love affair with guns US police kill boy over replica gun | | | | | | | | | | | US police kill boy over replica gunA 12-year-old boy dies after being shot by police in the US city of Cleveland, while carrying what turned out to be a replica gun. | | | | View on www.bbc.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] Another For Ann
This is 3 months old, but I was struck by this passage in particular: David Prince and his wife started the Eagle Gun Range in Lewisville, Texas two years ago. They welcome children as young as age eight and have hosted children's birthday parties at the facility. Guns a part of American childhood | | | | | | | | | | | Guns a part of American childhoodThis week, a nine-year-old girl firing an Uzi submachine gun accidentally shot to death her weapons instructor. Not all Americans grow up shooting guns. Those who d... | | | | View on www.bbc.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] Re: All you need to know about the differences between US and Netherlands
What a rut this is guy is in. Right out of the box, he demonstrates why he has become almost universally disliked. Right out of the box, he demonstrates that he has no other place to share his thoughts, other than this chat room he so despises. Can you say, piece of work? I think you can. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Americans use drones to surveil people they don't like and kill them. The Dutch use drones to see things they wouldn't normally have been able to see, so they can enjoy them. Waiting 10 Months For The Perfect Drone Footage http://digg.com/video/waiting-ten-months-for-the-perfect-drone-footage http://digg.com/video/waiting-ten-months-for-the-perfect-drone-footage Waiting 10 Months For The Perfect Drone Footage http://digg.com/video/waiting-ten-months-for-the-perfect-drone-footage Dutch filmmakers Jelte Keur and Reinout van Schie waited 10 months for the right weather conditions to shoot this amazing drone footage of the Dom Tower in Utrecht... View on digg.com http://digg.com/video/waiting-ten-months-for-the-perfect-drone-footage Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Obsessed? Obsessed? Barry's favorite cudgel. This bit about enlightenment is just one of the talking points he must hit each day. There are generally six or seven that will eventually add up to about 60 plus posts per week. But he is not obsessed. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. NEVER. NOT ONCE. The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. NOT ONE. ZERO. BUPKUS. So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. And I can prove it. All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. Better luck next time... :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write? This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL. Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When due to lack of perserverance and self-control they failed they blame the teacher rather than analyzing their own shortcomings. The anger and resentment bordering on hate Fleetwood meets here is the same Adyashanti describes in Buddhist circles where anyone claiming to living the goal is labeled a fraud. The Buddha made 500 souls enlightened yet Buddhists today seems incapable of seeing that this is not only old stories but a reality also today. A friend of mine who goes for prolonged stays in Fairfield every year to do Programme in the dome reports that Fleetwood is far from the only person living the natural state of enlightenment. Quite the contrary, the experiences of higher states of consciousness in daily life is getting stronger and stronger every year. But to the consternation of loosers like the Turq or MJ, the Movement will never point the finger at an Enlightened parading him like in a Circus and say; look here, he is enlightened, see what TM can do. This will never happen. For this reason, anyone living in freedom like
[FairfieldLife] Re: Contest: Pick the best enlightened_dawn11 photo
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Based on her many posts to Fairfield Life, which photo best represents enlightened_dawn11, as you always imagined her? Aw, be a good sport and laugh at your own photos that were posted here. You are the guy who doesn't give a shit about just about anything. Prove it, show us how unattached you really are.
[FairfieldLife] It's All About Barry, was A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
On 11/23/2014 8:26 PM, anartaxius wrote: Were I to characterise Barry, I would say he is a terrorist in Beliefland. A belief is the pretence you know something you do not know, an opinion, an idea not supported by facts, unlike an informed belief which is more of an hypothesis that can stand additional testing. Like balloons floating in Disney World, mere beliefs, even if tightly held, are airy ideas that have no substance, and Barry is the pin that attempts to pop the pretence. It is difficult for Barry, or anyone else, to teach others how to abandon their beliefs if they themselves have deep-seated beliefs of their own which conflict with their own pedagogy. We all have beliefs and we all have an ego that we protect. The problem with this teaching style is that it is easy to lapse into hypocrisy. My style of teaching is similar to Barry's - /every statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory/. The difference being that I /want/ to talk about my own cognitive dissonance and beliefs. For example, a pretense that he witnessed Rama levitate up off of a sofa hundreds of times, is an easy target because it is obviously contrary to common sense, science and even to his own teaching. It was false on it's face and a mistake. Even more so when he is attempting to rid others of their beliefs! In fact, this sort of claim is almost pure self-deception. To be confronted with one's own cognitive dissonance, at least for Barry, seems to be the most terrifying threat possible - to the point that he seems to be almost unable to discuss it with anyone. Barry is the loose pin that unraveled due to his own hubris. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. Although I didn't read most of what our esteemed colleague wrote below (I caught the gist) I had the same thought as Nabby. It is not the job or the business of the TMO to go around hanging signs around people's necks in order to verify their enlightenment. If there is such a thing then perhaps only one's spiritual teacher (if one had one at all) could possibly verify the state of his student's state of consciousness. And whose business is that anyway? Putting labels on people and dressing them up as poster people for the Movement because of their supposed state would be absurd and as far as I'm concerned it is a credit to them that they refrain from this. As Nabby said, What a joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. NEVER. NOT ONCE. The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. NOT ONE. ZERO. BUPKUS. So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. And I can prove it. All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. Better luck next time... :-)
[FairfieldLife] In Fairfield, Awake: The Life Of Yogananda
Awake! Playing in Fairfield, Iowa the Yogananda movie as a historical picture is enjoying quite a popular run in Fairfield. The movie is playing to full houses with a lot of old meditators here coming out of the woodwork to see the documentary. It is great to see who all is still alive and well living here in the Fairfield meditating community. The movie well places Yogananda within a 20th Century progression in the spirituality of transcendentalism in the West. As he would call it, aka, his “The Science of Religion”.While the narrative did not bridge the gap in time over to connect with a Western transcendentalism in practice that preceded Vedanta in the West the movie at a point in its narrative yielded a progression of a preceding transcendentalist spiritual lineage to Vivekananda barely saying, Vivekananda in the West 'did not stay long'. Actually Vivekananda also traveled lecturing extensively with a disciplined nation-wide impact like Yogananda's but Vivekananda had a 'short life' passing away in his 30's whilst leaving behind the Vedanta Society. Evidently the ground was quite well prepared in the West by a line of preceding transcendentalists by the time that Yogananda and then Maharishi respectively arrived in the 1920's and late 1950's. With the perspective of time both a 19th Century Vivekananda and a 20th Century Yogananda each seemed to have passed through and left with their integrity in the tacking of history. Maharishi's 21st Century legacy evidently is still working out. Awake is a good movie for the perspective of a progression in things spiritual. -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Indeed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The poor fellow has flipped out. Sri Raj Nablusoss, King of the TMO :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : My, what an objective stance. LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Then where are the effects of these so-called enlightened people? According to your much vaunted Supreme Master Mahesh the Fraud Varma, the effect of a person living in enlightenment is profound. They supposedly radiate all this energy and sattva, supposedly uphold and enliven all the laws of nature and all that crap, yet Fairfield and all other TM communities are just communities like all the rest where people live and die and have problems like everyone else. Your assertion that there are many TM practitioners who are enlightened is an absurd fantasy. If there were such people the effect, according to Marshy would be fabulous and obvious. I will ask again, since you believe TM is so very fabulous, why don't you repudiate your UFO and Benjy Creme beliefs so the TMO will take you back and you become recertifed so you can teach this oh so supreme deal to the ignorant of the world? And if TM is so grand, why is it that the world has to have Maitreya come and straighten the world out? How come TM isn't gonna do it? Or are you still having the fantasy that Maitreya will tell everyone to do TM and it will be mandatory and he will appoint you as head of the Movement? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write? This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL. Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When due to lack of perserverance and self-control they failed they blame the teacher rather than analyzing their own shortcomings. The anger and resentment bordering on hate Fleetwood meets here is the same Adyashanti describes in Buddhist circles where anyone claiming to living the goal is labeled a fraud. The Buddha made 500 souls enlightened yet Buddhists today seems incapable of seeing that this is not only old stories but a reality also today. A friend of mine who goes for prolonged stays in Fairfield every year to do Programme in the dome reports that Fleetwood is far from the only person living the natural state of enlightenment. Quite the contrary, the experiences of higher states of consciousness in daily life is getting stronger and stronger every year. But to the consternation of loosers like the Turq or MJ, the Movement will never point the finger at an Enlightened parading him like in a Circus and say; look here, he is enlightened, see what TM can do. This will never happen. For this reason, anyone living in freedom like Fleetwood who is willing to share his experiences is doing everyone a great favor and we should be thankful that he is willing to spend some of his time here. The future of mankind is bright, and that is our delight -Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi has visited over 20 people worldwide . . .
From: EdmundK1 [mailto:spiritualnutritionsacredact...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:40 AM Subject: Maharishi has visited over 20 people worldwide . . . Is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, well known guru to the Beatles, of the 60's 70's, who BTW taught 5 million people to meditate, only psychically floating around in George Hammond's head? Or has he thus far visited over 20 people around the world also(including me)?. . . hmmm... let's see now, RFID nano chips aren't in Bill Gates's government produced Ebola vaccines, either. . . . or else it's got to be something like, 'everybody ELSE is crazy!' I know I know - all but you, right?? Suuure . . . Still, this is a far cry from the over 1,000 reported Jesus A.D. visits, but... - who's counting anyway?? ( http://truthbook.com/urantia-book/paper-193-final-appearances-and-ascension ) This whole thing is killing me ! I mean it's hilarious!, isn't it?? Here's a quote I remember from the ol' card himself, in case you just can't take it from me anymore- Life is not a serious affair. - MMY ( and he oughta know, cause he had plenty of 'em. ) BOOM! Joy is the most infallible sign of the presence of God. -Teilhard de Chardin And if it's still, yeah yeah yeah, for you . . . - waddi YOU got instead, ugh?? What, you don't care for this kind of rude humor?? YOU WANT A PIECE UH ME, UGH ?!? [ yes folks, I'm a Jersey boy, born an bred. And your damn lucky I didn't say what's really on my mind. ] So here it is, the latest - right from -and on- your conservative Chin!... ** In addition to what I posted below tonight x-apple-data-detectors://0 on Facebook, out of the blue, I just heard this from Jay Peters, another TM Teacher/Gov in Seattle who said I could share this with you: Kelvin, I wanted to pass on to you my most recent experience concerning Maharishi. I just saw Him a few days ago and in this experience He blessed Diane and her husband Ray and myself and impressed upon my consciousness that He will be at the gathering in Alexandria. I believe that I had this experience because I am not able to attend and for some reason He wanted to show us that He'll be there. I just wanted you to know. Diane and Ray are going to be there! Jai Guru Dev...Jay Reminder and FYI, on next week's November 30th x-apple-data-detectors://1 event: www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ In case you had not heard, in recent weeks more than 20 people around the world have reported that they have been asked by Maharishi to attend or tell others to Live Stream next week's Free November 30th x-apple-data-detectors://3 event. Some of these people have neither learned TM, nor know Maharishi, and had never heard of George Hammond. As I have emphasized throughout the past several months, the most important focus should be on the content of the presentation. But for those of you still fascinated by the where did this information come from?, I thought these recent independent corroborations might be helpful. Remember to set your calendar for11:30 AM x-apple-data-detectors://4 EST so you can connect early for the Live Stream which will start promptly at Noon Eastern Standard Time (EST). Go to the website and click on Live Stream : www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ And, if you're attending in person, I look forward to seeing you there! ~ All the best, Kelvin Chin Kelvin H. Chin tel:(512)%20712-4413 (512) 712-4413 http://www.kelvinhenrychin.com/ www.KelvinHenryChin.com Follow me on Twitter: @kelvinKHC http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelvinchin/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelvinchin Sent from my iPhone ** Now, I ask you folks, can you take this out-of-body outrage just one step FURTHER, ???
[FairfieldLife] It's All About Barry, was A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. On 11/24/2014 8:46 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although I didn't read most of what our esteemed colleague wrote below (I caught the gist) I had the same thought as Nabby. It is not the job or the business of the TMO to go around hanging signs around people's necks in order to verify their enlightenment. /By far the biggest fib Barry ever told was his claim that he witnessed REAL levitation. ///I don't know how any adult could possible think that anyone is that stupid -it's just pure hubris. Go figure./ But also right up there was his fib about MMY promising enlightenment in 5-7 years. I am convinced that this is a total fabrication. It doesn't even make common sense - in 1965, there were already hundreds of people that had been practicing TM for over 10 years. These two falsehoods puts Barry into the totally discredited category. / If there is such a thing then perhaps only one's spiritual teacher (if one had one at all) could possibly verify the state of his student's state of consciousness. And whose business is that anyway? Putting labels on people and dressing them up as poster people for the Movement because of their supposed state would be absurd and as far as I'm concerned it is a credit to them that they refrain from this. As Nabby said, What a joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. /* */ /* */If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. /* */ /* */However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. /* */Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. /* */ /* */NEVER. /* */ /* */NOT ONCE. /* */ /* */The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. /* */ /* */NOT ONE. /* */ /* */ZERO. /* */ /* */BUPKUS. /* */ /* */So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. /* */ /* */Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. /* */ /* */Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. /* */And I can prove it. /* */ /* */All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. /* */ /* */So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. /* */ /* */So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. /* */ /* */Better luck next time... :-)/*
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's All About Barry, was A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Yep, besides being an asshole, Barry is the pot calling the kettle black. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/23/2014 8:26 PM, anartaxius wrote: Were I to characterise Barry, I would say he is a terrorist in Beliefland. A belief is the pretence you know something you do not know, an opinion, an idea not supported by facts, unlike an informed belief which is more of an hypothesis that can stand additional testing. Like balloons floating in Disney World, mere beliefs, even if tightly held, are airy ideas that have no substance, and Barry is the pin that attempts to pop the pretence. It is difficult for Barry, or anyone else, to teach others how to abandon their beliefs if they themselves have deep-seated beliefs of their own which conflict with their own pedagogy. We all have beliefs and we all have an ego that we protect. The problem with this teaching style is that it is easy to lapse into hypocrisy. My style of teaching is similar to Barry's - every statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory. The difference being that I want to talk about my own cognitive dissonance and beliefs. For example, a pretense that he witnessed Rama levitate up off of a sofa hundreds of times, is an easy target because it is obviously contrary to common sense, science and even to his own teaching. It was false on it's face and a mistake. Even more so when he is attempting to rid others of their beliefs! In fact, this sort of claim is almost pure self-deception. To be confronted with one's own cognitive dissonance, at least for Barry, seems to be the most terrifying threat possible - to the point that he seems to be almost unable to discuss it with anyone. Barry is the loose pin that unraveled due to his own hubris. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Yahoo Mail Problem
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Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that
moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his
awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically
say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as
enlightened.
I presume Jim can clarify what this means.
To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman
for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment.
Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming
enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the
Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church,
and on other occasions?
I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested
in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so
long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an
enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as
Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would
listen.
What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to
conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'm sure they'd
also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions about which public
restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc.
It just doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment to such a
revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of the opposite sex clams
up and refuses to talk about it every time the subject comes up. It's almost
as if by doing this he's saying, Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was
one of the key techniques that allowed me to become so much better and more
evolved than all of you. But if you think I'm going to share the secrets of my
patented Drag Queen Yoga™ with you for free, fuggedaboudit. You'll have to
shell out the big bucks, just like Catholics do when seeking advice from the
guys in *that* church who wear dresses.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Pure awareness validates itself. Also, the world and its inhabitants do a damned good job, of disabusing anyone of their enlightenment, if it is false, or some sort of fantasy. If it is real, we know it, and it lasts forever - a permanent transition. Westerners are so accustomed to instant gratification, that they mistake a transitory experience for enlightenment. Nothing could be further from the truth, but try telling them that! And no, credit cards are not accepted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. Although I didn't read most of what our esteemed colleague wrote below (I caught the gist) I had the same thought as Nabby. It is not the job or the business of the TMO to go around hanging signs around people's necks in order to verify their enlightenment. If there is such a thing then perhaps only one's spiritual teacher (if one had one at all) could possibly verify the state of his student's state of consciousness. And whose business is that anyway? Putting labels on people and dressing them up as poster people for the Movement because of their supposed state would be absurd and as far as I'm concerned it is a credit to them that they refrain from this. As Nabby said, What a joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. NEVER. NOT ONCE. The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. NOT ONE. ZERO. BUPKUS. So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. And I can prove it. All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. Better luck next time... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
Sure, everyone is seen in terms of enlightenment, NOT that all beings are enlightened - a ridiculous notion. So, for example, I see you as ignorant, and have let you know what you must work on, to gain your enlightenment. Simple. It is a different perspective, but, no, there is no magic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Qualities exhibited by FFLers claiming to be enlightened
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Not all of these characteristics have been exhibited by ALL of the four people I remember who have claimed on Fairfield Life to be enlightened (or to have been in the past), but each of these characteristics has been exhibited by at least one of them, sometimes by more than one. - Claiming that he had never physically struck one of his students, even after first-person testimony on FFL proved that he had. - Claiming that all of his wishes are instantly fulfilled while whining incessantly about the fact that people he has said he wishes would leave FFL don't. - Making posts pretending to be another person (and signing the other person's name to those posts) in which he made statements that would damage the professional reputation of the person he's pretending to be. - Pretending to be a woman. For months. When caught, never admitting it. - Claiming to have perfect knowledge of all things while claiming that the original Buddha (who didn't believe in God) wrote, God is love. - Being so unable to control himself that he holds the FFL record for overposting, having been banned from posting for something like 9 weeks total. - Being in fourth and fifth place using the same Sitting On The Overposter's Bench scale. (What IS is about the TM enlightened that leaves them unable to count to 50?) - Claiming that one is not stalking someone while posting photographs of the stalkee that can only be found by reading *a third party's* accounts on Facebook or other forums. - Not only admitting to getting underage girls drunk at a bar in an attempt to seduce them, but being so misogynist as to brag about it. - Lying about other posters in an *admitted* attempt to harm their career. - Being so obsessed with someone he doesn't like as to write 40 posts in one day ragging on him, in between claiming to be enlightened and talking about how unattached he is, of course. I'm sure that others can think of other examples of enlightened behavior demonstrated in the past on FFL by the four people who have used the forum to proclaim their supposed enlightenment. Please share them...it should help to expand the canon of knowledge about exactly what enlightenment is... I have a better idea. How 'bout we talk about what constitutes civil discourse between participants here at FFL? How does it strike you if we list the criteria for thoughtful and insightful additions to a conversation that doesn't include the words stupid, whining, dumb ass, idiotic, cunt, thundertwat, brainwashed or stalker? Why don't we just take a moment to reflect on regular everyday people who come together on a forum about life and show we are interested in actually talking and engaging instead of haranguing and sermonizing? Could we just start small? You can begin.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Oh, right. Time travel and dogs as masters and witnessing levitation, and now, remote viewing of my underwear. As long as there is no remote touching...Even if your roomies want nothing to do with you sexually, keep yer old meaty paws off me. lol For some reason these few words had me laughing and laughing and laughing. So much so that my husband had to glance over at me and ask, What?. It is too hard to explain, but he's used to that by now when it comes to describing the goings on at FFL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Contest: Pick the best enlightened_dawn11 photo
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Based on her many posts to Fairfield Life, which photo best represents enlightened_dawn11, as you always imagined her? Aw, be a good sport and laugh at your own photos that were posted here. You are the guy who doesn't give a shit about just about anything. Prove it, show us how unattached you really are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another One for Ann
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Showing the effect of America's ongoing love affair with guns I daresay that kid's parents aren't so thrilled about them right now. But really, how stupid can somebody be? I guess that stupid - let's flail a realistic-looking gun around in a playground where there are parents and kids and then let's point the gun at the cops when they tell me to put it down. Brilliant. I guess Darwin had some valid theories after all. US police kill boy over replica gun http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30172433 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30172433 US police kill boy over replica gun http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30172433 A 12-year-old boy dies after being shot by police in the US city of Cleveland, while carrying what turned out to be a replica gun. View on www.bbc.com http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30172433 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's All About Barry, was A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/23/2014 8:26 PM, anartaxius wrote: Were I to characterise Barry, I would say he is a terrorist in Beliefland. A belief is the pretence you know something you do not know, an opinion, an idea not supported by facts, unlike an informed belief which is more of an hypothesis that can stand additional testing. Like balloons floating in Disney World, mere beliefs, even if tightly held, are airy ideas that have no substance, and Barry is the pin that attempts to pop the pretence. It is difficult for Barry, or anyone else, to teach others how to abandon their beliefs if they themselves have deep-seated beliefs of their own which conflict with their own pedagogy. We all have beliefs and we all have an ego that we protect. The problem with this teaching style is that it is easy to lapse into hypocrisy. My style of teaching is similar to Barry's - every statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory. The difference being that I want to talk about my own cognitive dissonance and beliefs. For example, a pretense that he witnessed Rama levitate up off of a sofa hundreds of times, is an easy target because it is obviously contrary to common sense, science and even to his own teaching. It was false on it's face and a mistake. Even more so when he is attempting to rid others of their beliefs! In fact, this sort of claim is almost pure self-deception. To be confronted with one's own cognitive dissonance, at least for Barry, seems to be the most terrifying threat possible - to the point that he seems to be almost unable to discuss it with anyone. Barry is the loose pin that unraveled due to his own hubris. Go figure. For all of the Richard dissenters: take a look at above post.
[FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
Yes, in what we now know as spiritual 'field effect'. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome anartaxius writes : One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means.
Re: [FairfieldLife] It's All About Barry, was A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Richard, you say you want to discuss your own cognitive dissonance (CD) and
beliefs, but then you brought up turq's! I gotta say, that brought up some CD
for me big time (-:
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:42 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] It's All About Barry, was A new definition of Do
less but accomplish more
On 11/23/2014 8:26 PM, anartaxius wrote:
Were I to characterise Barry, I would say he is a terrorist in Beliefland. A
belief is the pretence you know something you do not know, an opinion, an idea
not supported by facts, unlike an informed belief which is more of an
hypothesis that can stand additional testing. Like balloons floating in Disney
World, mere beliefs, even if tightly held, are airy ideas that have no
substance, and Barry is the pin that attempts to pop the pretence.
It is difficult for Barry, or anyone else, to teach others how to abandon
their beliefs if they themselves have deep-seated beliefs of their own which
conflict with their own pedagogy. We all have beliefs and we all have an ego
that we protect. The problem with this teaching style is that it is easy to
lapse into hypocrisy.
My style of teaching is similar to Barry's - every statement, when taken to
extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory. The difference being that I
want to talk about my own cognitive dissonance and beliefs.
For example, a pretense that he witnessed Rama levitate up off of a sofa
hundreds of times, is an easy target because it is obviously contrary to common
sense, science and even to his own teaching. It was false on it's face and a
mistake. Even more so when he is attempting to rid others of their beliefs! In
fact, this sort of claim is almost pure self-deception.
To be confronted with one's own cognitive dissonance, at least for Barry,
seems to be the most terrifying threat possible - to the point that he seems to
be almost unable to discuss it with anyone. Barry is the loose pin that
unraveled due to his own hubris. Go figure.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Then where are the effects of these so-called enlightened people? According to your much vaunted Supreme Master Mahesh the Fraud Varma, the effect of a person living in enlightenment is profound. They supposedly radiate all this energy and sattva, supposedly uphold and enliven all the laws of nature and all that crap, yet Fairfield and all other TM communities are just communities like all the rest where people live and die and have problems like everyone else. So if enlightened people radiate all this stuff and a flower that was dead blooms as they pass by and the sun comes out from behind thunder clouds and butterflies surround the enlightened while blue birds chirp in the trees and wherever they step an apple tree sprouts in order to feed the world's hungry then in your negativity as contrast to all of the above, MJ, what do you think your effect is on the world? How far do you think you are from enlightenment and how many million of eons do you think it will take you to reach such a state given where you are not now as compared to the radiating enlightened one? See, as stupid and literal and superficial as my paragraph above was - this seems to be how you think. Or at least pretend to think. You always seem to take the most surface and unsophisticated way of looking at how it all works, or is supposed to work. (snip)
[FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means. Do you also presume, as MJ does, that when Jim walks along the sidewalk the sun shines, the birds spontaneously burst into song and apple trees erupt in his wake in order to feed the world's starving? Or do enlightened people only have the ability to analyze other people's theories and give the ultimate synopsis?
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
The problem with this post is that now any tricky ego on FFL can hijack this
*new* definition of enlightenment and run with it because of course it sees all
beings as enlightened ON THE DEEPEST LEVEL lol (-:
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:43 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that
moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his
awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically
say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as
enlightened.
I presume Jim can clarify what this means.!--#yiv7312180180
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Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman
for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment.
Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming
enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the
Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church,
and on other occasions?
I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested
in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so
long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an
enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as
Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would
listen.
What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to
conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'm sure they'd
also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions about which public
restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc.
It just doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment to such a
revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of the opposite sex clams
up and refuses to talk about it every time the subject comes up. It's almost
as if by doing this he's saying, Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was
one of the key techniques that allowed me to become so much better and more
evolved than all of you. But if you think I'm going to share the secrets of my
patented Drag Queen Yoga™ with you for free, fuggedaboudit. You'll have to
shell out the big bucks, just like Catholics do when seeking advice from the
guys in *that* church who wear dresses.
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:43 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that
moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his
awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically
say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as
enlightened.
I presume Jim can clarify what this means.!--#yiv0145929357
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Re: [FairfieldLife] All you need to know about the differences between US and Netherlands
American drone owners have been shooting lots of videos like these. Apparently the Netherlands is a bit behind the curve when it comes to personal drones. :-D On 11/23/2014 11:26 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */Americans use drones to surveil people they don't like and kill them. The Dutch use drones to see things they wouldn't normally have been able to see, so they can enjoy them. /* */ /* */Waiting 10 Months For The Perfect Drone Footage http://digg.com/video/waiting-ten-months-for-the-perfect-drone-footage/* image http://digg.com/video/waiting-ten-months-for-the-perfect-drone-footage Waiting 10 Months For The Perfect Drone Footage http://digg.com/video/waiting-ten-months-for-the-perfect-drone-footage Dutch filmmakers Jelte Keur and Reinout van Schie waited 10 months for the right weather conditions to shoot this amazing drone footage of the Dom Tower in Utrecht... View on digg.com http://digg.com/video/waiting-ten-months-for-the-perfect-drone-footage Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Yahoo Mail Problem
No problems in Neo. Problems only occurring in old format. Mystery...
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Yahoo Mail Problem
There is the report of a cut underwater cable affecting Yahoo Mail, in
case anyone is having intermittent trouble accessing the forum or mail. Affects
US and UK. Mail is being rerouted but interruptions may be experienced. A
repair ship is at the site of the break.!--#yiv3256857284
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[FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
Listening to these theories about enlightenment in action, is like listening to some dimwitted prehistoric tribe discuss fire. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means. Do you also presume, as MJ does, that when Jim walks along the sidewalk the sun shines, the birds spontaneously burst into song and apple trees erupt in his wake in order to feed the world's starving? Or do enlightened people only have the ability to analyze other people's theories and give the ultimate synopsis?
[FairfieldLife] Barry Walks On The Wild Side
Based on this last post of his, it looks like Barry is getting ready, to Walk On The Wild Side. His life must be like that of a prisoner, where after so many years of no access, or possibility, of sexual relations with women, his gaze begins to wander... You go, Girl! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KaWSOlASWc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KaWSOlASWc ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment. Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church, and on other occasions? I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would listen. What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'm sure they'd also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions about which public restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc. It just doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment to such a revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of the opposite sex clams up and refuses to talk about it every time the subject comes up. It's almost as if by doing this he's saying, Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was one of the key techniques that allowed me to become so much better and more evolved than all of you. But if you think I'm going to share the secrets of my patented Drag Queen Yoga™ with you for free, fuggedaboudit. You'll have to shell out the big bucks, just like Catholics do when seeking advice from the guys in *that* church who wear dresses. From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Yahoo Mail Problem
I glance at FFL after hours on my Android phone and early this morning it couldn't access Yahoo Groups though other sites were OK. It's back now. On 11/24/2014 09:19 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: No problems in Neo. Problems only occurring in old format. Mystery... *From:* anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 10:02 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Yahoo Mail Problem There is the report of a cut underwater cable affecting Yahoo Mail, in case anyone is having intermittent trouble accessing the forum or mail. Affects US and UK. Mail is being rerouted but interruptions may be experienced. A repair ship is at the site of the break.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two intelligent time travel movies
Cool. I look forward to those. The last time travel movie I really enjoyed was an Italian one called Time Crimes about a guy who bys a house in the country and, while looking around his garden, notices a naked girl in the woods so he goes to investigate. I won't spoil it suffice to say that it's one of those decisions you wouldn't have made with hindsight.. I think it would be worth looking up. Apparently Hollywood are making a version, probably with Tom Cruise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Both Australian, both enjoyable for those who like to see time travel done well, meaning that every twist and turn seems to actually be possible, given physicists' speculations about time travel. The first was called The Infinite Man and I saw it back during the Leiden Film Festival. Very clever and funny premise -- a nerd wants to create the perfect weekend away with his girlfriend, and it goes wrong. Obsessed, he invents a time machine so they can travel back in time and make it perfect this time. Suffice it to say that with every attempt the whole scenario gets worse, and he winds up creating the ultimate time-travel endless-loop clusterfuck. The Infinite Man SXSW Trailer (2014) HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A The Infinite Man SXSW Trailer (2014) HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A Preview by Yahoo The second, Predestination, seems to have just been released on DVD and BluRay. It's another intellectual time travel movie, this time based on an old classic story by Robert Heinlein. A time travel cop played by Ethan Hawke tries to recruit a talented guy to help him track down the only time criminal who has so far escaped him. Again, very circular logic, with appropriate use of the song I'm My Own Grandpa playing on the jukebox of a saloon. Predestination International TRAILER 1 (2014) - Ethan Hawke Sci-Fi Thriller HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 Predestination International TRAILER 1 (2014) - Ethan Ha... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
Do you also presume, as MJ does, that when Jim walks along the sidewalk the sun
shines, the birds spontaneously burst into song and apple trees erupt in his
wake in order to feed the world's starving?
Read Marshy's descriptions of enlightenment and tell me what he was saying
would happen when one gets there.
From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment
he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'.
The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same
thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened.
I presume Jim can clarify what this means.
Do you also presume, as MJ does, that when Jim walks along the sidewalk the sun
shines, the birds spontaneously burst into song and apple trees erupt in his
wake in order to feed the world's starving? Or do enlightened people only have
the ability to analyze other people's theories and give the ultimate synopsis?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Putting labels on people and dressing them up as poster people for the
Movement because of their supposed state would be absurd
What the hell do you think the TMO does when they parade all the Jerry
Seinfields, Katy Perrys, Hugh Jackmans, David Lynches and so forth?!?!?
Its the same exact same thing - except rather than claim the nebulous elusive
state of enlightenment, they are appealing to people's desire to be rich and
famous, by touting the wealth and so-called success of the TM celebs, except
when the turn out to be pedophiles - then they delete them from the TMO
websites and claim it should have been done 2 years ago and they just forgot.
From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish
more
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO,
thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never
ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest.
Although I didn't read most of what our esteemed colleague wrote below (I
caught the gist) I had the same thought as Nabby. It is not the job or the
business of the TMO to go around hanging signs around people's necks in order
to verify their enlightenment. If there is such a thing then perhaps only one's
spiritual teacher (if one had one at all) could possibly verify the state of
his student's state of consciousness. And whose business is that anyway?
Putting labels on people and dressing them up as poster people for the Movement
because of their supposed state would be absurd and as far as I'm concerned it
is a credit to them that they refrain from this. As Nabby said, What a joke.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved.
If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as
the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would
think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the
truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should
schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world.
However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that
proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the
planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual
and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is
enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So
it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now.
Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has
produced someone enlightened.
NEVER.
NOT ONCE.
The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have
learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM
organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly
and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by
practicing the fastest path to it.
NOT ONE.
ZERO.
BUPKUS.
So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John
Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is
speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not
gonna happen.
Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim.
Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any
generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself,
or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it.
And I can prove it.
All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say,
Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem
to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow
him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is
enlightened.
So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the
same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level
of believability as Bill Cosby.
So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can.
Better luck next time... :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Look at Marshy's written descriptions of enlightenment and tell me I am wrong.
Read 'em carefully, don't just skim and tell me I'm wrong.
From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish
more
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Then where are the effects of these so-called enlightened people? According to
your much vaunted Supreme Master Mahesh the Fraud Varma, the effect of a person
living in enlightenment is profound. They supposedly radiate all this energy
and sattva, supposedly uphold and enliven all the laws of nature and all that
crap, yet Fairfield and all other TM communities are just communities like all
the rest where people live and die and have problems like everyone else.
So if enlightened people radiate all this stuff and a flower that was dead
blooms as they pass by and the sun comes out from behind thunder clouds and
butterflies surround the enlightened while blue birds chirp in the trees and
wherever they step an apple tree sprouts in order to feed the world's hungry
then in your negativity as contrast to all of the above, MJ, what do you think
your effect is on the world? How far do you think you are from enlightenment
and how many million of eons do you think it will take you to reach such a
state given where you are not now as compared to the radiating enlightened one?
See, as stupid and literal and superficial as my paragraph above was - this
seems to be how you think. Or at least pretend to think. You always seem to
take the most surface and unsophisticated way of looking at how it all works,
or is supposed to work.
(snip)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two intelligent time travel movies
I saw that one. Time Crimes, that is. I have a weakness for good,
well-thought-out time travel movies.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 6:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two intelligent time travel movies
Cool. I look forward to those.
The last time travel movie I really enjoyed was an Italian one called Time
Crimes about a guy who bys a house in the country and, while looking around
his garden, notices a naked girl in the woods so he goes to investigate. I
won't spoil it suffice to say that it's one of those decisions you wouldn't
have made with hindsight..
I think it would be worth looking up. Apparently Hollywood are making a
version, probably with Tom Cruise.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
BothAustralian, both enjoyable for those who like to see time travel
donewell, meaning that every twist and turn seems to actually be
possible,given physicists' speculations about time travel.
The first was called The Infinite Man and I saw it back during the Leiden
Film Festival. Very clever and funny premise -- a nerd wants to create the
perfect weekend away with his girlfriend, and it goes wrong. Obsessed, he
invents a time machine so they can travel back in time and make it perfect this
time. Suffice it to say that with every attempt the whole scenario gets worse,
and he winds up creating the ultimate time-travel endless-loop clusterfuck.
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The second, Predestination, seems to have just been released on DVD and
BluRay. It's another intellectual time travel movie, this time based on an
old classic story by Robert Heinlein. A time travel cop played by Ethan Hawke
tries to recruit a talented guy to help him track down the only time criminal
who has so far escaped him. Again, very circular logic, with appropriate use of
the song I'm My Own Grandpa playing on the jukebox of a saloon.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Many Swami Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are waiting to be published
Here are books rich in teachings of Guru Dev. Mason, Paul. *108 Discourses of Guru Dev: The Life and Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath (1941-53). Vol 1*. Penzance, Cornwall: Premanand, 2009. -- From a book review by Michael Laughrin, mich...@jyotish.ws *108 Discourses of Guru Dev* by Paul Mason is, in my opinion, the most important and BEST spiritual book written in the last 100 years. Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was affectionately known as Guru Dev. Guru Dev was the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, the northernmost of the 4 seats of the Shankaracharyas established by Shankara between 1500 and 2000 years ago. This northernmost seat was vacant for many years until Guru Dev, who had been leading the life of a solitary saint living in the forest and mountains, finally agreed to take the seat. These little 'sermons' (none is longer than 4 pages) are exceedingly clear, uplifting, and to the point. This volume has the discourses in the original Hindi and also in English (thank God, as my Hindi is not what is used to be). Of all the modern spiritual books that I have read, this one cuts through the junk like a sword and reveals the diamond truth that is at the core of the Vedic teachings. Most of the important topics are mentioned, such as Enlightenment (moksha), meditation, karma, the caste system, possessions, obstacles on the Path, Maya, dharma, and many, many others. Mason, Paul. *The Biography of Guru Dev: The Life and Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath (1941-53). Vol 2*. Penzance, Cornwall: Premanand, 2009. Mason, Paul. *Guru Dev as presented by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: The Life and Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath (1941-53). Vol 3*. Penzance, Cornwall: Premanand, 2009. Mason, Paul. *Guru Dev: Life and Teachings of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati.* Compiled by Paul Mason. 2012. Online [◦Link] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm Shriver, LB Trusty. *The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Sankaracarya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati.*. Tr. and contr. Cynthia Ann Humes. Raleigh, NC: Lulu.com, 2013. —— Professor Humes supplied the annotations. Tiwari, Rameswar, compiler, LB Trusty Shriver, ed, and Cynthia Ann Humes, ed. *Rocks Are Melting: The Everyday Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati* Fairfield, IA: Clear River Press, 2000. —— Scanned hard-copy ( *online*) manuscript, with annotations. May be tried as a companion to Paul Mason's *108 Discourses of Guru Dev*. In addition, as mentioned in my first post, dedicated folks try to collect, preserve and have still more Guru Dev discourses translated. Funds would be good. Spreading the news too. A Yahoo group (see first post) is open so one may see what happens. For more information and sermons by the gurudev of the TM movement, there are Paul Mason's pages. http://paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm -- T. Kinnes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
No. Did MJ say that? I am having trouble connecting to FFL or my email about
half the time. If it is spring, and the sun is shining and the birds are
singing and were there apple trees bearing fruit (not likely in spring), and
Jim did happen to walk on the sidewalk in that situation, then that would
happen, but not because Jim walked on the sidewalk. I suppose enlightened
people who do not teach or have experience teaching enlightenment would be very
good at analysing others states (Jim excepted of course). Maharishi, if you
consider him to be enlightened, when he started talking about biology and DNA
seemed to be almost clueless as to what it was about. He had to learn, just
like everyone else.
I heard a story from someone who used to be around Maharishi. Maharishi would
meet people. A topic would come up and he would grapple with it. Then the next
person came in to see him, and Maharishi would bring up that topic as a point
of the discussion. That is a great way to familiarise yourself with something.
I think the topic this person mentioned Maharishi discussed was chainsaws.
From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:39 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment
he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'.
The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same
thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened.
I presume Jim can clarify what this means.
Do you also presume, as MJ does, that when Jim walks along the sidewalk the sun
shines, the birds spontaneously burst into song and apple trees erupt in his
wake in order to feed the world's starving? Or do enlightened people only have
the ability to analyze other people's theories and give the ultimate synopsis?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
I was having problems getting into FFL too a few minutes ago. Since I got in, it appears that the problem has been solved. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : No. Did MJ say that? I am having trouble connecting to FFL or my email about half the time. If it is spring, and the sun is shining and the birds are singing and were there apple trees bearing fruit (not likely in spring), and Jim did happen to walk on the sidewalk in that situation, then that would happen, but not because Jim walked on the sidewalk. I suppose enlightened people who do not teach or have experience teaching enlightenment would be very good at analysing others states (Jim excepted of course). Maharishi, if you consider him to be enlightened, when he started talking about biology and DNA seemed to be almost clueless as to what it was about. He had to learn, just like everyone else. I heard a story from someone who used to be around Maharishi. Maharishi would meet people. A topic would come up and he would grapple with it. Then the next person came in to see him, and Maharishi would bring up that topic as a point of the discussion. That is a great way to familiarise yourself with something. I think the topic this person mentioned Maharishi discussed was chainsaws. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means. Do you also presume, as MJ does, that when Jim walks along the sidewalk the sun shines, the birds spontaneously burst into song and apple trees erupt in his wake in order to feed the world's starving? Or do enlightened people only have the ability to analyze other people's theories and give the ultimate synopsis?
[FairfieldLife] Rand Paul Calls for Declaration of War Against IS
Now that the Republicans have control of Congress the drums of war beating. This could be the beginning of another escalation of war in Iraq and Syria. Senator Rand Paul calls for declaration of war against Islamic State: NYT http://news.yahoo.com/senator-rand-paul-calls-declaration-war-against-islamic-152703093.html http://news.yahoo.com/senator-rand-paul-calls-declaration-war-against-islamic-152703093.html Senator Rand Paul calls for declaration of war against I... http://news.yahoo.com/senator-rand-paul-calls-declaration-war-against-islamic-152703093.html WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Rand Paul, a possible Republican candidate for president in 2016, is calling for a formal declaration of war against I... View on news.yahoo.com http://news.yahoo.com/senator-rand-paul-calls-declaration-war-against-islamic-152703093.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rand Paul Calls for Declaration of War Against IS
I think he's just calling a *spade* a *spade*. We're using our military to go
after them(ISIS). Why not call it what it is, *war* and congress, rightfully
declares wars. Of course this would but the *Commander IN Chief* in an awkward
position. Does he prosecute the war as directed by congress or does he grant
them (ISIS) amnesty or something in between, sort of like our immigration laws?
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rand Paul Calls for Declaration of War Against IS
Now that the Republicans have control of Congress the drums of war
beating. This could be the beginning of another escalation of war in Iraq and
Syria.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Many Swami Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are waiting to be published
You can't take that guy serious, noone in his right mind read books by Paul Mason. He has a simple agenda; to make money. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tkinnes@... wrote : Here are books rich in teachings of Guru Dev. Mason, Paul. 108 Discourses of Guru Dev: The Life and Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath (1941-53). Vol 1. Penzance, Cornwall: Premanand, 2009. -- From a book review by Michael Laughrin, Michael@... mailto:Michael@... 108 Discourses of Guru Dev by Paul Mason is, in my opinion, the most important and BEST spiritual book written in the last 100 years. Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was affectionately known as Guru Dev. Guru Dev was the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, the northernmost of the 4 seats of the Shankaracharyas established by Shankara between 1500 and 2000 years ago. This northernmost seat was vacant for many years until Guru Dev, who had been leading the life of a solitary saint living in the forest and mountains, finally agreed to take the seat. These little 'sermons' (none is longer than 4 pages) are exceedingly clear, uplifting, and to the point. This volume has the discourses in the original Hindi and also in English (thank God, as my Hindi is not what is used to be). Of all the modern spiritual books that I have read, this one cuts through the junk like a sword and reveals the diamond truth that is at the core of the Vedic teachings. Most of the important topics are mentioned, such as Enlightenment (moksha), meditation, karma, the caste system, possessions, obstacles on the Path, Maya, dharma, and many, many others. Mason, Paul. The Biography of Guru Dev: The Life and Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath (1941-53). Vol 2. Penzance, Cornwall: Premanand, 2009. Mason, Paul. Guru Dev as presented by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: The Life and Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath (1941-53). Vol 3. Penzance, Cornwall: Premanand, 2009. Mason, Paul. Guru Dev: Life and Teachings of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. Compiled by Paul Mason. 2012. Online [◦Link] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm Shriver, LB Trusty. The Sweet Teachings of the Blessed Sankaracarya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati.. Tr. and contr. Cynthia Ann Humes. Raleigh, NC: Lulu.com, 2013. —— Professor Humes supplied the annotations. Tiwari, Rameswar, compiler, LB Trusty Shriver, ed, and Cynthia Ann Humes, ed. Rocks Are Melting: The Everyday Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati Fairfield, IA: Clear River Press, 2000. —— Scanned hard-copy (online) manuscript, with annotations. May be tried as a companion to Paul Mason's 108 Discourses of Guru Dev. In addition, as mentioned in my first post, dedicated folks try to collect, preserve and have still more Guru Dev discourses translated. Funds would be good. Spreading the news too. A Yahoo group (see first post) is open so one may see what happens. For more information and sermons by the gurudev of the TM movement, there are Paul Mason's pages. -- T. Kinnes
[FairfieldLife] Re: All Beings Enlightened
Buddha did not say seeing everyone in terms of enlightenment, he said seeing everyone is in the enlightened state. That is the intent of the phrase. This experience has a particular significance in parsing what enlightenment is. There are many different perspectives one can experience when seeking enlightenment, but in fact, no experience you have when seeking enlightenment is enlightenment, though there might be a glimpse of what it might be like in some way. But seeing that everyone is in the enlightened state is a critical benchmark. Be that as it may, perhaps, because you said anyone can gain enlightenment, and you seem to have that perceptual knack of insight, you could create a list of everyone currently posting, and let us know where we are on the scale of things enlightened. Obviously Barry and I and others that tend to vaguely associate with each other are likely near the bottom of the barrel as far as spiritual progress. You have been on the forum under various names for more than twice as long as I have, so you should also have insights on some other recent posters who are no longer with us. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sure, everyone is seen in terms of enlightenment, NOT that all beings are enlightened - a ridiculous notion. So, for example, I see you as ignorant, and have let you know what you must work on, to gain your enlightenment. Simple. It is a different perspective, but, no, there is no magic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. Although I didn't read most of what our esteemed colleague wrote below (I caught the gist) I had the same thought as Nabby. It is not the job or the business of the TMO to go around hanging signs around people's necks in order to verify their enlightenment. If there is such a thing then perhaps only one's spiritual teacher (if one had one at all) could possibly verify the state of his student's state of consciousness. And whose business is that anyway? Putting labels on people and dressing them up as poster people for the Movement because of their supposed state would be absurd and as far as I'm concerned it is a credit to them that they refrain from this. As Nabby said, What a joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. NEVER. NOT ONCE. The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. NOT ONE. ZERO. BUPKUS. So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. And I can prove it. All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. Better luck next time... :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Buddha taught for 45 years. Maharishi for 57 or so years. Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. So what is Maharishi's tally? I did once hear there was a group of people in Fairfield, IA that had had awakening experiences, and that they used to meet somewhere in the town to discuss things, but eventually disbanded, once it became clear there was nothing more to discuss. Apparently though it helped some accommodate to the happening as it was very disorienting for some to have an experience that they totally did not expect. By the way Nabby what does Nablusoss mean, if anything? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. Although I didn't read most of what our esteemed colleague wrote below (I caught the gist) I had the same thought as Nabby. It is not the job or the business of the TMO to go around hanging signs around people's necks in order to verify their enlightenment. If there is such a thing then perhaps only one's spiritual teacher (if one had one at all) could possibly verify the state of his student's state of consciousness. And whose business is that anyway? Putting labels on people and dressing them up as poster people for the Movement because of their supposed state would be absurd and as far as I'm concerned it is a credit to them that they refrain from this. As Nabby said, What a joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. NEVER. NOT ONCE. The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. NOT ONE. ZERO. BUPKUS. So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. And I can prove it. All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. Better luck next time... :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Brain-tenna? Unlock your car, by touching your head
On 11/23/2014 10:04 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: California is in pretty good shape fiscally. This is a specious argument, about only taxing the rich here. Real estate costs a small fortune in California, and *everybody* pays a mint in property taxes. It adds up. Contrary to what you say, taxing the rich is not complicated, because their wealth doesn't fluctuate during economic ebbs and flows. In fact, the wealth of the rich always goes up, unlike yours and mine. They can definitely afford to throw more into the coffers. According to what I've read, the top 1% of earners fill the coffers of states like California and New York during a boom—and leave them starved for revenue in a bust. Go figure. /Nearly half of California's income taxes before the recession came from the top 1% of earners: households that took in more than $490,000 a year. High earners, it turns out, have especially volatile incomes—their earnings fell by more than twice as much as the rest of the population's during the recession. When they crashed, they took California's finances down with them./ 'The Price of Taxing the Rich' http://online.wsj.com/articles/ http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704604704576220491592684626 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/23/2014 5:58 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: Corporations DO NOT pay their fair share - It is supposed to be 35 to 40%, but several pay NO taxes at all. They can go incorporate in Liberia, for all I care - Greedy, unpatriotic bastards. I like the idea of a flat tax, but will settle for the letter of the law. PS There is exactly ONE political party in the USA - Quit getting played for a chump. It looks like we are in some agreement. Both political parties are not working in our interest. Bhairitu's idea of a third party makes a lot of sense. In the next presidential election I may vote independent. It's easy to paint taxation with a large brush and to combine notions of individual earned income tax with corporate taxation and the idea of taxing the rich. It's complicated. The problem with taxing the rich is that when the economy is good politicians love it, but when the economy is poor, they hate it - the instability is not a good thing. In California what is needed is a flat tax rate to help stabilize state revenues, according to U.S. Rep Tom McClintock (R., CA). /The working class may be taking a beating from spending cuts used to close a cavernous deficit, Mr. Williams said, but the root of California's woes is its reliance on taxing the wealthy. / http://online.wsj.com/articles/ http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704604704576220491592684626/ /Libertarian Party on Tax Reform:/ // //Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a “Balanced Budget Amendment” to the US Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, not raising taxes.// // /http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Libertarian_Party_Tax_Reform.htm /The kid-glove treatment of corporate tax offenders by both parties is exhibit A in America's shift from a functioning democracy to a nascent oligarchy./ http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-biggest-tax-scam-ever http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-biggest-tax-scam-ever-20140827?page=4 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 11/23/2014 1:01 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: The current situation is shameful. /Agreed, but the answer is not//in continuing the current tax structure. I am opposed to unfair income taxation. A better idea might be a tax on luxury goods. One of the reason businesses are leaving California and the U.S. is because of unfair corporate taxation./ It is lying with statistics, /The chart was compiled in 2011 by President Obama's Congressional Budget Office (CBO) - it's a non-partisan analysis. It proves that the rich pay almost all of the income tax in the U.S. Do the math.// // //https://www.cbo.gov// /http://www.aei.org/publication/new-cbo-study-shows-rich-dont-just-pay-fair-share-pay-almost-everybodys-share// based on an outmoded tax structure - Let the ultra-wealthy give something back, besides the minimum. The only reason that chart is trotted out, is to quiet those who know they are being screwed, and to appease the very rich. /So, it's an Obama government conspiracy to quiet those who don't pay any income tax? You're not even making any sense
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rand Paul Calls for Declaration of War Against IS
We'll just have to wait and see how this proposal is received by Congress and ultimately the American people. Also, we should take into account the voter turnout in the last election. According to a radio talk show host here in SF, the voter participation in the last election was only about 37 percent of the eligible citizens who can vote in the entire country. So, one can estimate that the Republican mandate represents only about 20 percent of the eligible voters. So, depending on the main issues confronting the nation, the voter turnout and results in the 2016 elections could be much different than the last one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : I think he's just calling a *spade* a *spade*. We're using our military to go after them(ISIS). Why not call it what it is, *war* and congress, rightfully declares wars. Of course this would but the *Commander IN Chief* in an awkward position. Does he prosecute the war as directed by congress or does he grant them (ISIS) amnesty or something in between, sort of like our immigration laws? From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rand Paul Calls for Declaration of War Against IS Now that the Republicans have control of Congress the drums of war beating. This could be the beginning of another escalation of war in Iraq and Syria. Senator Rand Paul calls for declaration of war against Islamic State: NYT http://news.yahoo.com/senator-rand-paul-calls-declaration-war-against-islamic-152703093.html http://news.yahoo.com/senator-rand-paul-calls-declaration-war-against-islamic-152703093.html Senator Rand Paul calls for declaration of war against I... http://news.yahoo.com/senator-rand-paul-calls-declaration-war-against-islamic-152703093.html WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Rand Paul, a possible Republican candidate for president in 2016, is calling for a formal declaration of war against I... View on news.yahoo.com http://news.yahoo.com/senator-rand-paul-calls-declaration-war-against-islamic-152703093.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
On 11/23/2014 10:19 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Damn, nothing like bring the conversation down to earth. I find it both readable and interesting. I think it is one thing to be the devils advocate, which is a means to have someone defend, or clarify their position. It is quite another thing to engage in cavil, cavil: 1. To make petty or unnecessary objections. 2. An objection seen as petty or unnecessary. 3. To find fault unnecessarily; raise trivial objections. 4. To quibble about; detect petty flaws in. 5. A carping or trivial objection. /Barry caviled about Judy's dialog with Robin./ http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cavil http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cavil or at least misrepresentations for the purposes of getting a rise out of people, or really, to just elevate one's point of view. You obviously see the dynamics here differently, which is fine, but at least you've staked out your position, and I respect you for that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Ann, at least took the time to write more than a couple of one liners. I do indeed think Barry makes up stuff to meet his own agenda. Don't we all. Jim makes up all sorts of stuff too. I make up stuff. Most of what others write about Barry, including me is stuff they make up. Our minds are good a fabricating shit. It is a necessary skill in order for it to attempt to figure out the world. I do not see that Jim, for example, is making up less than Barry. One of the primary ways to go after someone's beliefs is to be a contrarian, to deliberately state you think the opposite of what the other guy or gal thinks, even if you do not really believe that. Now this is objectionable to some. I do not object to Barry because I don't see him and other people really as persons, they are objects in my field of experience. On FFL, everyone is a text object in my field of experience. My body is an object in my field of experience. Now calling everyone, you even, as an object does not mean I, in person, will interact with you as if you were an inanimate object. I can hold conversations, more or less. I tend not to like small talk. People here mostly talk about how other people behave, which I find boring. There are few substantive conversations. Curtis is good for a substantive argument. Barry less so, he does not seem to have a lot of patience, so if you want to communicate with Barry, you have to be succinct, not like me, but one or two line retorts like Jim fires off are mindless, they usually show no deep thought. People on the Internet are not necessarily the same as they are in person. Distance and anonymity, the lack of physical contact allows certain darker sides of our personalities shine. Most of what I think of others would probably seem very strange to those others. Jim says certain things about others, and I don't see it at all; Judy did this all the time. Barry does it too. The target of such comments almost invariable say that is not what they think. So the real question, as I see it, is why do we think what we think is true, and so little of what others say they think, especially about us, we think is false? This mismatch of reality among we human beings is rampant. One needs a certain flexibility to deal with it without going nuts. There is a woman here with me; we have very divergent views on many things, often including the nature of enlightenment, but we get along pretty well and have for some time. I make up stuff all the time to puncture her belief system, she calls me a contrarian, but the trick is to make her laugh, to see the absurdity of a position. I doubt very much Barry is as serious about what he says as most people on this forum take things. he has been beaten around by the spiritual con as much as any here, but unlike you, Jim, and others, I think he understands the spiritual con better than most. Barry does repeat many themes many many times. For all I know he could be a computer. There have been experiments on the Internet where a computer program posts to social forums and people think it is a real person. I tend to like people who have good intellects rather than emotional responses. These tend to be people who have much more slack in their belief systems, are willing to consider themselves idiots at times, and to consider the status quo, or the prevailing peer paradigm as potentially bonkers. You seem much more a people person than I am. Also, I like much smaller mammals than you do, ones that can't kill you, and which require low maintenance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : This is a non starter Xeno for one simple and real reason: bawee never speaks to what people actually believe - he simply makes stuff up to fit his own agenda. Consequently you have taken all this time to write a small essay and it
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two intelligent time travel movies
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I saw that one. Time Crimes, that is. I have a weakness for good, well-thought-out time travel movies. Likewise. Sadly there is very often a plot hole. I was watching Twelve Monkeys the other day and there's a disastrous mistake at the end. I wonder why no one tapped Terry Gilliam on the shoulder and said sorry mate but that don't make sense, but then they'd have to scrap the whole thing. So maybe that's why they kept their mouths shut! I was enjoying it up till then... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two intelligent time travel movies Cool. I look forward to those. The last time travel movie I really enjoyed was an Italian one called Time Crimes about a guy who bys a house in the country and, while looking around his garden, notices a naked girl in the woods so he goes to investigate. I won't spoil it suffice to say that it's one of those decisions you wouldn't have made with hindsight.. I think it would be worth looking up. Apparently Hollywood are making a version, probably with Tom Cruise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Both Australian, both enjoyable for those who like to see time travel done well, meaning that every twist and turn seems to actually be possible, given physicists' speculations about time travel. The first was called The Infinite Man and I saw it back during the Leiden Film Festival. Very clever and funny premise -- a nerd wants to create the perfect weekend away with his girlfriend, and it goes wrong. Obsessed, he invents a time machine so they can travel back in time and make it perfect this time. Suffice it to say that with every attempt the whole scenario gets worse, and he winds up creating the ultimate time-travel endless-loop clusterfuck. The Infinite Man SXSW Trailer (2014) HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A The Infinite Man SXSW Trailer (2014) HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A Preview by Yahoo The second, Predestination, seems to have just been released on DVD and BluRay. It's another intellectual time travel movie, this time based on an old classic story by Robert Heinlein. A time travel cop played by Ethan Hawke tries to recruit a talented guy to help him track down the only time criminal who has so far escaped him. Again, very circular logic, with appropriate use of the song I'm My Own Grandpa playing on the jukebox of a saloon. Predestination International TRAILER 1 (2014) - Ethan Hawke Sci-Fi Thriller HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 Predestination International TRAILER 1 (2014) - Ethan Ha... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Maharishi's tally ? I would have gathered that you by now have seen by what I wrote that such a thing doesn't excist and never will. You will also have seen from what I have written earlier that Maharishi always spoke very highly and with great respect of Lord Buddha. It's simply the timing of mankind and ease of communication that made it is possible for him to say: It is said that Lord Buddha made 500 hundred enlightened. I think we will do better. I use Nablusoss as a reminder of the atrocities committed by Israel and it's allies using american built F-16's in the Palestinian town of Nablus. Thousands of civilians were slaughtered in that town during the second intifada even though the official number is only 522. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Buddha taught for 45 years. Maharishi for 57 or so years. Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. So what is Maharishi's tally? I did once hear there was a group of people in Fairfield, IA that had had awakening experiences, and that they used to meet somewhere in the town to discuss things, but eventually disbanded, once it became clear there was nothing more to discuss. Apparently though it helped some accommodate to the happening as it was very disorienting for some to have an experience that they totally did not expect. By the way Nabby what does Nablusoss mean, if anything? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. Although I didn't read most of what our esteemed colleague wrote below (I caught the gist) I had the same thought as Nabby. It is not the job or the business of the TMO to go around hanging signs around people's necks in order to verify their enlightenment. If there is such a thing then perhaps only one's spiritual teacher (if one had one at all) could possibly verify the state of his student's state of consciousness. And whose business is that anyway? Putting labels on people and dressing them up as poster people for the Movement because of their supposed state would be absurd and as far as I'm concerned it is a credit to them that they refrain from this. As Nabby said, What a joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. NEVER. NOT ONCE. The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. NOT ONE. ZERO. BUPKUS. So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about
[FairfieldLife] Re: Many Swami Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are waiting to be published
nablusoss1008, You can't take that guy serious, noone in his right mind read books by Paul Mason. He has a simple agenda; to make money. He, he, he. Take a hint from me: A fool says, I won't read great books if they are translated and published. Maharishi has also been edited, translated, and published by MUM and others, and not for free. The same goes for so many others. By the way, I have compared three translations of Guru Dev's 108 discourses. In my view Paul Mason's is the best, translationwise, but LB Shriver's has good annotations to go for it. And there is one more translation from India, *for free* on Paul Mason's Guru Dev page. When one has rid the mind of mean dumbness one is better qualified to study texts and compare. First study, then speak should hardly be ignored. -- T. Kinnes -- Tormod Kinnes
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
Isn't it fascinating that after all these years Jim Flanegin STILL can't admit
that he posed as a woman here on Fairfield Life for several months, posting as
enlightened_dawn all that time?
One *really* has to wonder 1) what the fuck he was *thinking* doing that, and
for so long, and 2) what is wrong with his supporters that they manage to
ignore it. It's really the biggest elephant in the room display of denial and
cognitive dissonance in the history of the forum, even bigger than Robin
Carlsen trying to continue denying that he'd hit his students, immediately
after having admitted it.
The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown
during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman.
When you think about it, that's no weirder than convincing himself he's
enlightened.
Whatever. Bottom line is that it's probably a good thing he's living way out in
the boonies now, where he can't hurt anyone if he has another similar breakdown.
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One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that
moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his
awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically
say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as
enlightened.
I presume Jim can clarify what this means.
To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman
for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment.
Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming
enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the
Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church,
and on other occasions?
I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested
in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so
long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an
enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as
Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would
listen.
What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to
conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'm sure they'd
also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions about which public
restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc.
It just doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment to such a
revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of the opposite sex clams
up and refuses to talk about it every time the subject comes up. It's almost
as if by doing this he's saying, Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was
one of the key techniques that allowed me to become so much better and more
evolved than all of you. But if you think I'm going to share the secrets of my
patented Drag Queen Yoga™ with you for free, fuggedaboudit. You'll have to
shell out the big bucks, just like Catholics do when seeking advice from the
guys in *that* church who wear dresses.
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[FairfieldLife] Teaser of Reincarnation, new film by Karl Lagerfeld
Teaser of Reincarnation, new film by Karl Lagerfeld ft. Cara Delevingne and Pharrell Williams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPIoodHEPYfeature=youtu.be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPIoodHEPYfeature=youtu.be Teaser of Reincarnation, new film by Karl La... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPIoodHEPYfeature=youtu.be “Reincarnation” is the title of the video-clip created and directed by Karl Lagerfeld to accompany the CHANEL Paris-Salzburg 2014/15 Métiers d'art collection... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPIoodHEPYfeature=youtu.be Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Many Swami Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are waiting to be published
Take a hint from me: only a fool can't see that Masons agenda goes further than making Money. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tkinnes@... wrote : nablusoss1008, You can't take that guy serious, noone in his right mind read books by Paul Mason. He has a simple agenda; to make money. He, he, he. Take a hint from me: A fool says, I won't read great books if they are translated and published. Maharishi has also been edited, translated, and published by MUM and others, and not for free. The same goes for so many others. By the way, I have compared three translations of Guru Dev's 108 discourses. In my view Paul Mason's is the best, translationwise, but LB Shriver's has good annotations to go for it. And there is one more translation from India, for free on Paul Mason's Guru Dev page. When one has rid the mind of mean dumbness one is better qualified to study texts and compare. First study, then speak should hardly be ignored. -- T. Kinnes -- Tormod Kinnes
[FairfieldLife] What does it take to do a documentary on $cientology?
HBO's money and 160 lawyers. So far...and it's not even released yet. HBO Prepping Bombshell Scientology Film From Oscar Winner (Exclusive) | | | | | | | | | | | HBO Prepping Bombshell Scientology Film From Oscar ...This story first appeared in the Dec. 5 issue of The Hollywood Reporter magazine. Amy Berg's sex abuse exposé An Open Secret isn't the only new documentary likely t... | | | | View on www.hollywoodrepo... | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] Man made Global Warming Strikes again!
Great Lakes ice cover developing; Earliest in over 40 years http://ads.mlive.com/RealMedia/ads/click_lx.ads/www.mlive.com/weather/2014/11/great_lakes_ice_cover_developi.html/67659060/StoryAd/MICHIGANLIVE/default/empty.gif/61434664556c527a7471734141717248 Ice is already starting to develop on Michigan's Great Lakes. This is the earliest ice on some of the Great Lakes in at least 40 years. According to the Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/, on November 20, 2014, Three of Michigan's Great Lakes had ice starting to form. Lake Superior and Lake Michigan were one-half percent ice covered, while Lake Huron had one percent ice. Lake Erie was not reporting any ice as of Nov. 20, 2014. Decent early season ice coverage records date back to 1973. Last Friday was the earliest date that all three Great Lakes already had ice since the better reporting of early season ice began. Lake Superior actually had ice forming on November 15th of this year. That is the earliest ice on Lake Superior in the good data set. Lakes Superior, Michigan and Huron had ice 10 days earlier this year than last year. Lake Superior only had five and a half months without any ice on the lake. Chris Cla http://connect.mlive.com/staff/cclark/photos.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
I believe that's spelled Pundit Çur.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Now, now. You don't want to insult dogs, do you? :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
crickets, dude. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Isn't it fascinating that after all these years Jim Flanegin STILL can't admit that he posed as a woman here on Fairfield Life for several months, posting as enlightened_dawn all that time? One *really* has to wonder 1) what the fuck he was *thinking* doing that, and for so long, and 2) what is wrong with his supporters that they manage to ignore it. It's really the biggest elephant in the room display of denial and cognitive dissonance in the history of the forum, even bigger than Robin Carlsen trying to continue denying that he'd hit his students, immediately after having admitted it. The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. When you think about it, that's no weirder than convincing himself he's enlightened. Whatever. Bottom line is that it's probably a good thing he's living way out in the boonies now, where he can't hurt anyone if he has another similar breakdown. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means. To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment. Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church, and on other occasions? I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would listen. What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'm sure they'd also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions about which public restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc. It just doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment to such a revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of the opposite sex clams up and refuses to talk about it every time the subject comes up. It's almost as if by doing this he's saying, Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was one of the key techniques that allowed me to become so much better and more evolved than all of you. But if you think I'm going to share the secrets of my patented Drag Queen Yoga™ with you for free, fuggedaboudit. You'll have to shell out the big bucks, just like Catholics do when seeking advice from the guys in *that* church who wear dresses.
Re: [FairfieldLife] All you need to know about the differences between US and Netherlands
On 11/24/2014 1:26 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Americans use drones to surveil people they don't like and kill them. /* /* */Barry, sometimes you are so silly it's beyond belief. I sometimes wonder if you are really the offspring of military parents. They must really get a kick out of your comments on the U.S. Armed Forces. They have probably disowned you by now, if not long before. Go figure. */The Dutch use drones to see things they wouldn't normally have been able to see, so they can enjoy them. /* Ten months is a long time to wait for the weather to clear up to take a few photos from a drone. So, I wonder if the Finns are using drones to watch what the Russians are doing? * **'Finland feeling vulnerable amid Russian provocations'* http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/finland-feeling-vulnerable/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/finland-feeling-vulnerable-amid-russian-provocations/2014/11/23/defc5a90-69b2-11e4-bafd-6598192a448d_story.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two intelligent time travel movies
Had the same issue with 12 Monkeys. Have you seen In TIne, with Justin Timberlake? Came out in 2011, with the rich being able to buy more time than anyone else. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I saw that one. Time Crimes, that is. I have a weakness for good, well-thought-out time travel movies. Likewise. Sadly there is very often a plot hole. I was watching Twelve Monkeys the other day and there's a disastrous mistake at the end. I wonder why no one tapped Terry Gilliam on the shoulder and said sorry mate but that don't make sense, but then they'd have to scrap the whole thing. So maybe that's why they kept their mouths shut! I was enjoying it up till then... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two intelligent time travel movies Cool. I look forward to those. The last time travel movie I really enjoyed was an Italian one called Time Crimes about a guy who bys a house in the country and, while looking around his garden, notices a naked girl in the woods so he goes to investigate. I won't spoil it suffice to say that it's one of those decisions you wouldn't have made with hindsight.. I think it would be worth looking up. Apparently Hollywood are making a version, probably with Tom Cruise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Both Australian, both enjoyable for those who like to see time travel done well, meaning that every twist and turn seems to actually be possible, given physicists' speculations about time travel. The first was called The Infinite Man and I saw it back during the Leiden Film Festival. Very clever and funny premise -- a nerd wants to create the perfect weekend away with his girlfriend, and it goes wrong. Obsessed, he invents a time machine so they can travel back in time and make it perfect this time. Suffice it to say that with every attempt the whole scenario gets worse, and he winds up creating the ultimate time-travel endless-loop clusterfuck. The Infinite Man SXSW Trailer (2014) HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A The Infinite Man SXSW Trailer (2014) HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A Preview by Yahoo The second, Predestination, seems to have just been released on DVD and BluRay. It's another intellectual time travel movie, this time based on an old classic story by Robert Heinlein. A time travel cop played by Ethan Hawke tries to recruit a talented guy to help him track down the only time criminal who has so far escaped him. Again, very circular logic, with appropriate use of the song I'm My Own Grandpa playing on the jukebox of a saloon. Predestination International TRAILER 1 (2014) - Ethan Hawke Sci-Fi Thriller HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 Predestination International TRAILER 1 (2014) - Ethan Ha... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Rather crazy to have the spiritual neophytes like Barry, MJ and Taxesus, trying to verify enlightenment, from the waking state. Not even close to being possible. Better they get off their lazy butts, and achieve it themselves. Then they will have an opinion worth listening to. Can't stand people that are too lazy to do it themselves, but bitch about others' accomplishments - What a waste of time, and life. Jai Guru Dev. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. Although I didn't read most of what our esteemed colleague wrote below (I caught the gist) I had the same thought as Nabby. It is not the job or the business of the TMO to go around hanging signs around people's necks in order to verify their enlightenment. If there is such a thing then perhaps only one's spiritual teacher (if one had one at all) could possibly verify the state of his student's state of consciousness. And whose business is that anyway? Putting labels on people and dressing them up as poster people for the Movement because of their supposed state would be absurd and as far as I'm concerned it is a credit to them that they refrain from this. As Nabby said, What a joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. NEVER. NOT ONCE. The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. NOT ONE. ZERO. BUPKUS. So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. And I can prove it. All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. Better luck next time... :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two intelligent time travel movies
meant In Time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Had the same issue with 12 Monkeys. Have you seen In TIne, with Justin Timberlake? Came out in 2011, with the rich being able to buy more time than anyone else. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I saw that one. Time Crimes, that is. I have a weakness for good, well-thought-out time travel movies. Likewise. Sadly there is very often a plot hole. I was watching Twelve Monkeys the other day and there's a disastrous mistake at the end. I wonder why no one tapped Terry Gilliam on the shoulder and said sorry mate but that don't make sense, but then they'd have to scrap the whole thing. So maybe that's why they kept their mouths shut! I was enjoying it up till then... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two intelligent time travel movies Cool. I look forward to those. The last time travel movie I really enjoyed was an Italian one called Time Crimes about a guy who bys a house in the country and, while looking around his garden, notices a naked girl in the woods so he goes to investigate. I won't spoil it suffice to say that it's one of those decisions you wouldn't have made with hindsight.. I think it would be worth looking up. Apparently Hollywood are making a version, probably with Tom Cruise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Both Australian, both enjoyable for those who like to see time travel done well, meaning that every twist and turn seems to actually be possible, given physicists' speculations about time travel. The first was called The Infinite Man and I saw it back during the Leiden Film Festival. Very clever and funny premise -- a nerd wants to create the perfect weekend away with his girlfriend, and it goes wrong. Obsessed, he invents a time machine so they can travel back in time and make it perfect this time. Suffice it to say that with every attempt the whole scenario gets worse, and he winds up creating the ultimate time-travel endless-loop clusterfuck. The Infinite Man SXSW Trailer (2014) HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A The Infinite Man SXSW Trailer (2014) HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7bQ9fUw7A Preview by Yahoo The second, Predestination, seems to have just been released on DVD and BluRay. It's another intellectual time travel movie, this time based on an old classic story by Robert Heinlein. A time travel cop played by Ethan Hawke tries to recruit a talented guy to help him track down the only time criminal who has so far escaped him. Again, very circular logic, with appropriate use of the song I'm My Own Grandpa playing on the jukebox of a saloon. Predestination International TRAILER 1 (2014) - Ethan Hawke Sci-Fi Thriller HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 Predestination International TRAILER 1 (2014) - Ethan Ha... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FcK_UiVV40 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
On 11/24/2014 4:52 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: God I know, what a ludicrous suggestion. Barry thinks the enlightened people want to be proclaimed and shown off. /If what Barry says is accurate, that's what Rama used to do - show off. The funny thing is that Barry can't fly or levitate, and obviously he is unenlightened - the only show he puts on is on social media. I mean, even if Rama could levitate, what does that prove? Maybe it's easy to impress Barry with stage-show tricks - he does seem to be prone to suggestibility. But, are you really sure Barry is in a waking state - it seems more and more like he is in a maya-like dream state./ /Who would hang around a place for ten months waiting for good weather just to take a snap shot of the sky? Go figure./ Nothing further from the truth. They are already rewarded beyond measure, needing nothing more than what naturally gravitates to them. There is no need for anything, adulation included. They are who they are, and that is pay back enough. Waking state people like Barry, are the ones who dream of being lauded and famous. But that is simply because a person in waking state is needy, and this feeling is transferred to the enlightened person, who is never needy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. /* */ /* */If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. /* */ /* */However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. /* */Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. /* */ /* */NEVER. /* */ /* */NOT ONCE. /* */ /* */The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. /* */ /* */NOT ONE. /* */ /* */ZERO. /* */ /* */BUPKUS. /* */ /* */So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. /* */ /* */Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. /* */ /* */Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. /* */And I can prove it. /* */ /* */All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. /* */ /* */So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. /* */ /* */So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. /* */ /* */Better luck next time... :-)/* *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 10:03 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more *I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write?* *This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL. * Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Think of all the progress they could have made, all the stress dissolved, if they had simply done TM every time they felt like insulting me. Mind boggling. What was accomplished by insulting me? More wasted time, and that is all. Life goes on, and nobody is getting any younger. Instead of becoming diamond merchants, they are all spinach salesmen, hugging The Waking State, as if it were solid gold. Simply pathetic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Rather crazy to have the spiritual neophytes like Barry, MJ and Taxesus, trying to verify enlightenment, from the waking state. Not even close to being possible. Better they get off their lazy butts, and achieve it themselves. Then they will have an opinion worth listening to. Can't stand people that are too lazy to do it themselves, but bitch about others' accomplishments - What a waste of time, and life. Jai Guru Dev. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. Although I didn't read most of what our esteemed colleague wrote below (I caught the gist) I had the same thought as Nabby. It is not the job or the business of the TMO to go around hanging signs around people's necks in order to verify their enlightenment. If there is such a thing then perhaps only one's spiritual teacher (if one had one at all) could possibly verify the state of his student's state of consciousness. And whose business is that anyway? Putting labels on people and dressing them up as poster people for the Movement because of their supposed state would be absurd and as far as I'm concerned it is a credit to them that they refrain from this. As Nabby said, What a joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. NEVER. NOT ONCE. The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. NOT ONE. ZERO. BUPKUS. So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. And I can prove it. All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. So
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Globally? I would think on the order of 10,000 or so enlightened souls, to date, given the efficiency of the technique. This glee that you and the other spiritual losers, evince, whenever you see a false enlightenment, is very telling. Get over the bile, and learn to live life in a joyful, expressive and successful way. Hiding behind TVs, word floods, bongs and beers doesn't cut it. Sickening to see your laziness, and lack of personal responsibility, regarding your own liberation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Buddha taught for 45 years. Maharishi for 57 or so years. Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. So what is Maharishi's tally? I did once hear there was a group of people in Fairfield, IA that had had awakening experiences, and that they used to meet somewhere in the town to discuss things, but eventually disbanded, once it became clear there was nothing more to discuss. Apparently though it helped some accommodate to the happening as it was very disorienting for some to have an experience that they totally did not expect. By the way Nabby what does Nablusoss mean, if anything? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Whereas the Movement never would out an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. Although I didn't read most of what our esteemed colleague wrote below (I caught the gist) I had the same thought as Nabby. It is not the job or the business of the TMO to go around hanging signs around people's necks in order to verify their enlightenment. If there is such a thing then perhaps only one's spiritual teacher (if one had one at all) could possibly verify the state of his student's state of consciousness. And whose business is that anyway? Putting labels on people and dressing them up as poster people for the Movement because of their supposed state would be absurd and as far as I'm concerned it is a credit to them that they refrain from this. As Nabby said, What a joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. NEVER. NOT ONCE. The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. NOT ONE. ZERO. BUPKUS. So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. And I can prove it. All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also*
