Re: flashplugin
David Collins wrote: I have periodically tested with getting flash working, and everytime I try it fails and I go back to undoing everything I have done and re-installing gnash. Gnash works but it does have a few niggles. I tried the following: This is what I did for a 7.2 box. Note that there are compatibility # pkg_info -orx linux linux-stuff # pkg_delete -rx linux # cd /compat/linux # find . -type f -ls # rm -rf * # sysctl compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT= f10 OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORTS= f10 to /etc/make.conf. # portinstall www/nspluginwrapper # nspluginwrapper -v -a -i * Finally, fire up Firefox and check that it has loaded the flash plugin by typing 'about:plugins' into the URL bar. Find a site with flash content[*], and enjoy. Everything installed easily and about:plugins has Shockwave Flash and FutureSplash Player as enabled. But, when I go to youtube.com all I get a black screen and the video doesn't load. Does anyone have any ideas why flash isn't working? Set linux_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf and make sure you are mounting linprocfs: /etc/fstab: # DeviceMountpointFStypeOptionsDumpPass# linproc/compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw00 Check dmesg(8) or other system logs after trying to use flash and see if anything is being logged. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
This is what I did for a 7.2 box. Note that there are compatibility # pkg_info -orx linux linux-stuff # pkg_delete -rx linux # cd /compat/linux # find . -type f -ls # rm -rf * # sysctl compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT= f10 OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORTS= f10 to /etc/make.conf. # portinstall www/nspluginwrapper # nspluginwrapper -v -a -i * Finally, fire up Firefox and check that it has loaded the flash plugin by typing 'about:plugins' into the URL bar. Find a site with flash content[*], and enjoy. Set linux_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf and make sure you are mounting linprocfs: /etc/fstab: # DeviceMountpointFStypeOptionsDumpPass# linproc/compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw00 Mounted linprocfs and it worked perfectly! Method tested and works on another 7.2 box Thanks :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
I have periodically tested with getting flash working, and everytime I try it fails and I go back to undoing everything I have done and re-installing gnash. Gnash works but it does have a few niggles. I tried the following: This is what I did for a 7.2 box. Note that there are compatibility # pkg_info -orx linux linux-stuff # pkg_delete -rx linux # cd /compat/linux # find . -type f -ls # rm -rf * # sysctl compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT= f10 OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORTS= f10 to /etc/make.conf. # portinstall www/nspluginwrapper # nspluginwrapper -v -a -i * Finally, fire up Firefox and check that it has loaded the flash plugin by typing 'about:plugins' into the URL bar. Find a site with flash content[*], and enjoy. Everything installed easily and about:plugins has Shockwave Flash and FutureSplash Player as enabled. But, when I go to youtube.com all I get a black screen and the video doesn't load. Does anyone have any ideas why flash isn't working? David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
I never had tried to install Linux flash. I did install Windows flash under Firefox on Wine and it worked. I found that the freebsd port for Wine would not work but if I downloaded the source from WineHQ and compiled it would work fine, however, i tried a more recent version of Wine which did not compile right on FreeBSD, my current properly compiled wine version is, 1.1.7. You can try the most recent version of Wine and see if tht works, if not you can try 1.1.7 which worked well for me. David Collins wrote: I have periodically tested with getting flash working, and everytime I try it fails and I go back to undoing everything I have done and re-installing gnash. Gnash works but it does have a few niggles. I tried the following: This is what I did for a 7.2 box. Note that there are compatibility # pkg_info -orx linux linux-stuff # pkg_delete -rx linux # cd /compat/linux # find . -type f -ls # rm -rf * # sysctl compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT= f10 OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORTS= f10 to /etc/make.conf. # portinstall www/nspluginwrapper # nspluginwrapper -v -a -i * Finally, fire up Firefox and check that it has loaded the flash plugin by typing 'about:plugins' into the URL bar. Find a site with flash content[*], and enjoy. Everything installed easily and about:plugins has Shockwave Flash and FutureSplash Player as enabled. But, when I go to youtube.com all I get a black screen and the video doesn't load. Does anyone have any ideas why flash isn't working? David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 03:32 +, RW wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:04:24 + Freminlins freminl...@gmail.com wrote: I must admit I gave up ever getting Flash to work RELIABLY on FreeBSD a long time ago. It's just too hard, too much work, and not worth the misery of installing heaps of crud just to get a flipping browser plugin working unreliably. Some time ago I installed the windows version of Firefox and Flash under wine and I've found it pretty reliable. I don't use it all the time just on the small number of sites where flash is essential. I have also done that in the past and more recently I've been using Google's Chrome browser in wine. It's not perfect but I've found it to be generally adequate. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:56:11 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: I have tried them all... now I have linux-f10 with flashplayer10 installed and all I get is an error that flashplugin.so cannot be started because a shared file freetype.so.6 cannot be found... It's there allright and is linked to fretype.so.6.13 or some number like that... In FreeBSD, libraries are linked to version numbers from generic names, such as /usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so@ - libfreetype.so.9 If a program requires freetype, it requests the library function and tells the dynamic linker if it requires a certain version. If this version is not available, the linker throws an error. You can check if the link structures are correct by performing a ll (often = ls -laFG) on the specific file in /usr/local/lib. If the structures are not present, or a library is missing, maybe you need to update the requested facility; in this case, it may be neccessary to update freetype or even the whole X subsystem... the fine name may not be correct as I don't have it in front of me... but then, where is this shared file supposed to be? Libraries of third party software go in /usr/local/lib. For some packages that install in the /opt fashion, they are located in /usr/local/pkgname/lib. The linker has to be notified to search such paths. The setups for the flashplayer are such a ridiculous mess that I can only laugh... A modern technique that requires me to jump around in such a way is not worth that I am using it. Imagine you would need to do this to enable displaying PNG images or formatiing text paragraph-wise in a web browser... And some funny people call Flash a standard! :-) And when I think that Flash is mostly abused to make the web inaccessible, to display ads (or even just images), then... no, thank you. If a content designer (ab)uses Flash to make his web site unaccessible to you (as a person who uses the FreeBSD operating system and its programs), he doesn't want you to see the web site, it's that simple. I'm going to have fun with Flash soon on my 8.0-RC testing system, so I closely follow such discussions and the included batteries, erm, advices. :-) There are obviously conflicts or something screwing things up from other programs like gimp or ImageMagic or gstreamers or some such stuff... Yes, there seems to be a defective library dependency, mostly due to incomplete updates. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:56:11 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: I have tried them all... now I have linux-f10 with flashplayer10 installed and all I get is an error that flashplugin.so cannot be started because a shared file freetype.so.6 cannot be found... It's there allright and is linked to fretype.so.6.13 or some number like that... In FreeBSD, libraries are linked to version numbers from generic names, such as /usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so@ - libfreetype.so.9 In this case, the missing library is almost certainly /usr/compat/linux/usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 which works by the Linux rules -- so the library the app tries to link against is libfreetype.so.6, which is a link to libfreetype.so.6.3.18. I'm fairly confident that this is the case, because the FreeBSD native Freetype library is /usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so.9 Completely different ABI version number, unlike what the OP posted. To the OP: that shlib comes from the linux_base-f10-10_2 package on my machine, so unless you're missing chunks of that package you should have it. Use 'pkg_info -g linux_base\*' to see if any of the package contents have got lost or scrambled. It will probably tell you that /compat/linux/etc/ld.so.cache doesn't match the original checksum, but that's normal, as that file is modified whenever you install any other linux shlibs. Further more, the linux ld.so.cache file should contain a record for libfreetype: % /compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig -p | grep freetype libfreetype.so.6 (libc6) = /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 You should be able to rebuild it by # /compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig -v -n /lib /usr/lib /usr/X11R6/lib Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: flashplugin
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:43:11 -0500 PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: I wish someone could explain to me why I am no longer able to install flashplugin ... none of the methods work for me on amy version... I have literally tried them all.. the latest was linux-f10 - I cleaned out all the linux stuff, umounted the proc sytem cleaned out everything I could find related (?) to linux and reinstalled. No go, no way, José! I did catch some kind of warning that flashed by on the screen about Glib - seems to be gstreamer related...??? and the only thing I can find is the error message that flashplugin.so (or whatever the file is) could not be loaded because shared file libfreetype.so.6 could not be found... and the only libfreetype.so.6 file on the s;ystem is ...so.6.something.something... If the system is smart enought to not find the right file, it ought to be smart enought to know where this file should be and to what it is related... duh ! Hi PJ, I hope you won't take this the wrong way, it really isn't intended to be an insult, but looking at your posting history I seriously wonder if FreeBSD is for you. You seem to want everything to just work without having to think about it, so perhaps Windows would be better for you? You ask questions in a very random way, try things without any clear plan, and when given advice you seem to quickly move on to some other difficulty rather than getting used to one thing at a time. It does take time and effort to learn to use FreeBSD effectively, but once you have learned it (i.e., started to gain a deep understanding of how things work separately and together rather than just managing to fix things piecemeal without any real understanding) it works wonderfully with a huge range of hardware and software. If you do want to stick with FreeBSD it might be better if you just sat down with the Manual and read through systematically before trying to tweak things. But my guess is that you really would be happier and more productive with a Windows OS. That isn't meant to be a please go away and let us get on with using FreeBSD, it is an honest reaction to the pain and confusion you seem to cause yourself as you randomly try things in FreeBSD. Best, Tony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:53:18 +, Tony McC af...@btinternet.com wrote: You seem to want everything to just work without having to think about it, so perhaps Windows would be better for you? [...] But my guess is that you really would be happier and more productive with a Windows OS. That isn't meant to be a please go away and let us get on with using FreeBSD, it is an honest reaction to the pain and confusion you seem to cause yourself as you randomly try things in FreeBSD. In Windows, things don't work without thinking. The misbelief that is does is grounded in the fact that other people have to deal with problems, while the user praises Windows for its easyness of use. In PJ's case, maybe PC-BSD is a good choice. As far as I know, they offer a working Flash plugin that can be installed by their PBI system. I haven't tested this because PC-BSD with its KDE centric concept simply isn't my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that it's not a good OS - hey, it's still FreeBSD. :-) Tony, I can understand that you might get the impression that PJ doesn't have a full understanding of the concepts and procedures needed to know in order to properly operate FreeBSD. This may be true. But he's constantly learning and understanding, and I think even with the troubles he likes to use FreeBSD (PJ, correct me if I'm wrong). When I came to FreeBSD (from a Linux and WEGA background, with lots of strange mainframe knowledge), I had similar trouble. I had many issues with C, too, before it became my primary programming language, but the fact that I can master FreeBSD now (at a sufficient level) is due to the fact that I had much good help, especially from this list, as well as much practice. Recognizing and resolving library requirements can surely be such a step into the right direction. It's not a state, it's a process. In the future, PJ will not only know that things work, but additionally understand *how* and *why* they work, and this will make him a master of FreeBSD, too. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:10:25 +0100 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: In Windows, things don't work without thinking. The misbelief that is does is grounded in the fact that other people have to deal with problems, while the user praises Windows for its easyness of use. In PJ's case, maybe PC-BSD is a good choice. As far as I know, they offer a working Flash plugin that can be installed by their PBI system. I haven't tested this because PC-BSD with its KDE centric concept simply isn't my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that it's not a good OS - hey, it's still FreeBSD. :-) Tony, I can understand that you might get the impression that PJ doesn't have a full understanding of the concepts and procedures needed to know in order to properly operate FreeBSD. This may be true. But he's constantly learning and understanding, and I think even with the troubles he likes to use FreeBSD (PJ, correct me if I'm wrong). When I came to FreeBSD (from a Linux and WEGA background, with lots of strange mainframe knowledge), I had similar trouble. I had many issues with C, too, before it became my primary programming language, but the fact that I can master FreeBSD now (at a sufficient level) is due to the fact that I had much good help, especially from this list, as well as much practice. Recognizing and resolving library requirements can surely be such a step into the right direction. It's not a state, it's a process. In the future, PJ will not only know that things work, but additionally understand *how* and *why* they work, and this will make him a master of FreeBSD, too. Hi Polytropon, thanks, I hope you are right, and I would love to see PJ become a master of FreeBSD, but my impression from the mailing list is that that progress is going to be too long and too frustrating. I suppose only PJ can know if he/she feels that progress is happening. Nonetheless, I stand by the advice to work systematically through the handbook and try to gain a real understanding rather than a series of fixes. I suppose I was suggesting that rather than address endless frustrating symptoms of what looks like a mismatch between PJ's character (not ability, I certainly do not wish to disparage that - by character I mean a reluctance to stand back, slow down and approach the learning systematically and to give it the time it will need) and the FreeBSD way of doing things, it might be better to just move to something more pre-packaged. PC-BSD may well be a good choice, I haven't tried it. Oh, and you are exactly right about the kind of understanding that can come with spending time with FreeBSD. But perhaps it's not for everyone. Best, Tony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:53:18 +, Tony McC af...@btinternet.com wrote: You seem to want everything to just work without having to think about it, so perhaps Windows would be better for you? [...] But my guess is that you really would be happier and more productive with a Windows OS. That isn't meant to be a please go away and let us get on with using FreeBSD, it is an honest reaction to the pain and confusion you seem to cause yourself as you randomly try things in FreeBSD. In Windows, things don't work without thinking. The misbelief that is does is grounded in the fact that other people have to deal with problems, while the user praises Windows for its easyness of use. In PJ's case, maybe PC-BSD is a good choice. As far as I know, they offer a working Flash plugin that can be installed by their PBI system. I haven't tested this because PC-BSD with its KDE centric concept simply isn't my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that it's not a good OS - hey, it's still FreeBSD. :-) Tony, I can understand that you might get the impression that PJ doesn't have a full understanding of the concepts and procedures needed to know in order to properly operate FreeBSD. This may be true. But he's constantly learning and understanding, and I think even with the troubles he likes to use FreeBSD (PJ, correct me if I'm wrong). When I came to FreeBSD (from a Linux and WEGA background, with lots of strange mainframe knowledge), I had similar trouble. I had many issues with C, too, before it became my primary programming language, but the fact that I can master FreeBSD now (at a sufficient level) is due to the fact that I had much good help, especially from this list, as well as much practice. Recognizing and resolving library requirements can surely be such a step into the right direction. It's not a state, it's a process. In the future, PJ will not only know that things work, but additionally understand *how* and *why* they work, and this will make him a master of FreeBSD, too. Thank you for your support, Polytropon :-) You are quite right. And I do wish I could use only FreeBSD... the problem is that there are some limitations on compatibility with the normal user's MS systems... OpenOffice.org is not completely compatible with MS nor are the Adobe products completely replaceable - mainly because the commercial printers and other users are not equipped or compatible with Unixes. And, of course, the difficulty with learning curves and adaptability of the unix alternatives are also deterrents. :-( I have been working with FreeBSD in limited ways since about 1997 (if I recall right). I don't know if I'll ever become a master, but I am learning more by actually using it since I am a firm believer in direct use learning. The only reason I use MS is because most normal users use word, illustrator, photoshop. They are a huge pain because they have a lot of bugs that have been around for a long time and have never been properly addressed by MS or ms developers like Adobe. Just check the web and you will see that there are an awful lot of crash problems on the MS office, the Windows OSs as well as the Adobe stuff. I just reinstalled the CS4 programs on a fresh XP install and immediately I'm getting errors about harware acceleration when the system is installed on the same computer on a different disk and was not getting those errors on the other installation. The only reason I reinstalled the CS4 was because I wanted to have it working cleanly with a fresh installation of MS Office which was impossible to install/reinstall/fix on the other disk. Now the MS Office works fine, but CS4 does not... talk about problems So, FreeBSD is not really any more complicated. The only time I really have problems with FreeBSD is when so;mething stupid happens, like a physical disc suicide (mbr sector gone) or if I did something accidentally like shutting down. I then try to learn what to do to fix things (have never lost any data - was able to recover it), how to clone, dump, restore. These are processes that are not simple and are not something that I have needed before. What is great about FreeBSD is that it is quite simple to set up, configure and use. Problems arise when one makes errors or there are incompatibilities caused by some installation conflicts and that seems to be the cause of most difficulties. For instance, I have no problem installing FreeBSD, setting up and configuring apache, php, samba, cups, or most programs I use. Sometimes I see inquiries on the list and know what the problem is and would be happy to help someone but I am not secure enough to butt in. Yet I see that it is a simple solution... follow the instructions, read the manual, check the web and the man pages and you're likely to find the solutuion. The list here is very hehlpful, especially for lazy guys like me. But to study the manual is beyond the capabilities of anyone ... sure,
Re: flashplugin
Tony McC wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:10:25 +0100 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: In Windows, things don't work without thinking. The misbelief that is does is grounded in the fact that other people have to deal with problems, while the user praises Windows for its easyness of use. In PJ's case, maybe PC-BSD is a good choice. As far as I know, they offer a working Flash plugin that can be installed by their PBI system. I haven't tested this because PC-BSD with its KDE centric concept simply isn't my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that it's not a good OS - hey, it's still FreeBSD. :-) Tony, I can understand that you might get the impression that PJ doesn't have a full understanding of the concepts and procedures needed to know in order to properly operate FreeBSD. This may be true. But he's constantly learning and understanding, and I think even with the troubles he likes to use FreeBSD (PJ, correct me if I'm wrong). When I came to FreeBSD (from a Linux and WEGA background, with lots of strange mainframe knowledge), I had similar trouble. I had many issues with C, too, before it became my primary programming language, but the fact that I can master FreeBSD now (at a sufficient level) is due to the fact that I had much good help, especially from this list, as well as much practice. Recognizing and resolving library requirements can surely be such a step into the right direction. It's not a state, it's a process. In the future, PJ will not only know that things work, but additionally understand *how* and *why* they work, and this will make him a master of FreeBSD, too. Hi Polytropon, thanks, I hope you are right, and I would love to see PJ become a master of FreeBSD, but my impression from the mailing list is that that progress is going to be too long and too frustrating. I suppose only PJ can know if he/she feels that progress is happening. Nonetheless, I stand by the advice to work systematically through the handbook and try to gain a real understanding rather than a series of fixes. I suppose I was suggesting that rather than address endless frustrating symptoms of what looks like a mismatch between PJ's character (not ability, I certainly do not wish to disparage that - by character I mean a reluctance to stand back, slow down and approach the learning systematically and to give it the time it will need) and the FreeBSD way of doing things, it might be better to just move to something more pre-packaged. PC-BSD may well be a good choice, I haven't tried it. Oh, and you are exactly right about the kind of understanding that can come with spending time with FreeBSD. But perhaps it's not for everyone. Hi Tony, I understand you POV but... I don't see why FreeBSD should not be for everyone. It sure would be great if we could lose MS and their associate mush. I see no reason why a FreeBSD user should have to become as master of the system. If the software is properly set up and maintained, there should be no need for huge techincal know-how. Your assumption is that the user should have enough knowledge to fix bugs or problems that are caused by technical errors and/or complexities. Isn't it a litttle absurd that often small updates to ports/progams cause huge problems in adapting to the new versions? Maybe that is an indication that the original concept of the port/proram was somewhat lacking and that just puts us right smack on a par with MS, Adobe and all the overbloated programs associated therewith. When FreeBSD programs are set up right and work fine it's a real delight... but when an update or small change blows things apart and you have to go back to kindergarden to learn a new universe... it's nt very comforting. Cheers. PJ=he not she heh...heh...heh :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:13:02 -0400 PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: But to study the manual is beyond the capabilities of anyone ... sure, you can read it and study it... but you will forget anything you have read almost immediately if you are not applying what you are studying at once... there may be some residual information captured by one's brain but practical application is about the only way to really learn and understand... especially with the help of those who have dared to tread there before you... and their help is really invaluable. Hi PJ, ok, I tried (I was also trying to offer you support, just a different kind). There was a lot of irrelevant material in your response but the part I have quoted shows such a deep misunderstanding of what I was trying to suggest that I think I'm done. I honestly hope you do get past your headaches with FreeBSD, one way or another. Best, Tony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:00:00 + Tony McC af...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi PJ, ok, I tried (I was also trying to offer you support, just a different kind). There was a lot of irrelevant material in your response but the part I have quoted shows such a deep misunderstanding of what I was trying to suggest that I think I'm done. I honestly hope you do get past your headaches with FreeBSD, one way or another. Replying to myself, sorry. I think I owe you an apology for a grumpy response. I think it comes down to the fact our learning styles must be very different. You seem to like to try things first and then try to understand when things go wrong. I like to gain a reasonably firm theoretical understanding first and then try out things according to a plan, keeping notes at each stage. When something happens that I don't understand then of course I learn from that. I think we are just different. So no, I'm not suggesting you learn the manual by heart before going any further. I am suggesting that you *start* with the manual, take it step by step, and only try things that might break your system when a) you think you have a firm grasp of what you are doing and b) you have a contingency plan to revert to the way things were before if something surprising happens. And, again, as part of a learning style, when I do come across those uncomfortable surprises (and I do), I generally assume that I must have done something stupid, not that FreeBSD itself is stupid. That is also a learning experience for me. Best, Tony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
Tony McC wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:00:00 + Tony McC af...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi PJ, ok, I tried (I was also trying to offer you support, just a different kind). There was a lot of irrelevant material in your response but the part I have quoted shows such a deep misunderstanding of what I was trying to suggest that I think I'm done. I honestly hope you do get past your headaches with FreeBSD, one way or another. Replying to myself, sorry. I think I owe you an apology for a grumpy response. I think it comes down to the fact our learning styles must be very different. You seem to like to try things first and then try to understand when things go wrong. I like to gain a reasonably firm theoretical understanding first and then try out things according to a plan, keeping notes at each stage. When something happens that I don't understand then of course I learn from that. I think we are just different. So no, I'm not suggesting you learn the manual by heart before going any further. I am suggesting that you *start* with the manual, take it step by step, and only try things that might break your system when a) you think you have a firm grasp of what you are doing and b) you have a contingency plan to revert to the way things were before if something surprising happens. And, again, as part of a learning style, when I do come across those uncomfortable surprises (and I do), I generally assume that I must have done something stupid, not that FreeBSD itself is stupid. That is also a learning experience for me. Best, Tony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org That's cool. NP. My thing is simply... if it works use it. If it doesn't try to fix it... and here's where you sometimes have to learn or find help. 8-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:13:02 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: And I do wish I could use only FreeBSD... the problem is that there are some limitations on compatibility with the normal user's MS systems... You're mixing up things here. Things in MICROS~1 land are not compatible to the rest of the world. OpenOffice.org is not completely compatible with MS nor are the Adobe products completely replaceable - [...] Vice versa. [...] mainly because the commercial printers and other users are not equipped or compatible with Unixes. That's correct. Modern printers aren't compatible (in terms of compatibility or compliance to existing standards). This is true for many other kind of devices, such as webcams, scanners and digital media (cameras, players). And, of course, the difficulty with learning curves and adaptability of the unix alternatives are also deterrents. :-( I don't think that's correct. Remember, in the past, ordinary users found their way with DOS and used complicated programs. Is there so much more dumbness around today? No. I think it's just the result of aggressive marketing and clever indoctrination. I don't know if I'll ever become a master, but I am learning more by actually using it since I am a firm believer in direct use learning. It's always wise to use experimental testing and autodicatic reading side by side. Of course, most people don't learn without making their own mistakes, but there's no need to repeat all the stupid mistakes that happen if a person doesn't read the manpage or learn about a certain syntax, concept or procedure. The only reason I use MS is because most normal users use word, illustrator, photoshop. Are you talking about those who use PIRATED COPIES of the programs you mentioned? :-) They are a huge pain because they have a lot of bugs that have been around for a long time and have never been properly addressed by MS or ms developers like Adobe. They simply aren't interested. Just check the web and you will see that there are an awful lot of crash problems on the MS office, the Windows OSs as well as the Adobe stuff. I just reinstalled the CS4 programs on a fresh XP install and immediately I'm getting errors about harware acceleration when the system is installed on the same computer on a different disk and was not getting those errors on the other installation. The only reason I reinstalled the CS4 was because I wanted to have it working cleanly with a fresh installation of MS Office which was impossible to install/reinstall/fix on the other disk. Now the MS Office works fine, but CS4 does not... talk about problems This is the kind of user-friendly, modern and good looking that some people seem to expect from FreeBSD. :-) So, FreeBSD is not really any more complicated. The only time I really have problems with FreeBSD is when so;mething stupid happens, like a physical disc suicide (mbr sector gone) or if I did something accidentally like shutting down. That's exactly the point: The FreeBSD OS does what it is told to, it is completely predictable. If it acts strangely, there is a reason for it, e. g. faulty hardware, wrong command, missing library... In MICROS~1 land you often simply cannot tell if it is a defective installation, a virus, malware, or whatever, so you need to reinstall everything. I then try to learn what to do to fix things (have never lost any data - was able to recover it), how to clone, dump, restore. These are processes that are not simple and are not something that I have needed before. Hmmm... I think they are simple, but that's a very individual point of view. Just imagine how simple it is to use the cp command to copy files, and in opposite, how complicated it is to achieve the same using JCL. :-) Once you have understood a certain concept, you can rely on this knowledge, no matter which version of FreeBSD, which BSD or even which UNIX you are using. Things you've learned will serve you well everywhere, even in Linux. You won't find such an experience in MICROS~1 land. What is great about FreeBSD is that it is quite simple to set up, configure and use. Problems arise when one makes errors or there are incompatibilities caused by some installation conflicts and that seems to be the cause of most difficulties. As I said, this is completely correct if you consider the fact that the OS can only act as it is told. The list here is very hehlpful, especially for lazy guys like me. This list represents a very friendly and educated community. But to study the manual is beyond the capabilities of anyone ... sure, you can read it and study it... but you will forget anything you have read almost immediately if you are not applying what you are studying at once... there may be some residual information captured by one's brain but practical application is about the only way to really learn and understand... especially with the help of those who have
Re: flashplugin
Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:13:02 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: And I do wish I could use only FreeBSD... the problem is that there are some limitations on compatibility with the normal user's MS systems... You're mixing up things here. Things in MICROS~1 land are not compatible to the rest of the world. OpenOffice.org is not completely compatible with MS nor are the Adobe products completely replaceable - [...] Vice versa. [...] mainly because the commercial printers and other users are not equipped or compatible with Unixes. That's correct. Modern printers aren't compatible (in terms of compatibility or compliance to existing standards). This is true for many other kind of devices, such as webcams, scanners and digital media (cameras, players). And, of course, the difficulty with learning curves and adaptability of the unix alternatives are also deterrents. :-( I don't think that's correct. Remember, in the past, ordinary users found their way with DOS and used complicated programs. Is there so much more dumbness around today? No. I think it's just the result of aggressive marketing and clever indoctrination. I don't know if I'll ever become a master, but I am learning more by actually using it since I am a firm believer in direct use learning. It's always wise to use experimental testing and autodicatic reading side by side. Of course, most people don't learn without making their own mistakes, but there's no need to repeat all the stupid mistakes that happen if a person doesn't read the manpage or learn about a certain syntax, concept or procedure. The only reason I use MS is because most normal users use word, illustrator, photoshop. Are you talking about those who use PIRATED COPIES of the programs you mentioned? :-) They are a huge pain because they have a lot of bugs that have been around for a long time and have never been properly addressed by MS or ms developers like Adobe. They simply aren't interested. Just check the web and you will see that there are an awful lot of crash problems on the MS office, the Windows OSs as well as the Adobe stuff. I just reinstalled the CS4 programs on a fresh XP install and immediately I'm getting errors about harware acceleration when the system is installed on the same computer on a different disk and was not getting those errors on the other installation. The only reason I reinstalled the CS4 was because I wanted to have it working cleanly with a fresh installation of MS Office which was impossible to install/reinstall/fix on the other disk. Now the MS Office works fine, but CS4 does not... talk about problems This is the kind of user-friendly, modern and good looking that some people seem to expect from FreeBSD. :-) So, FreeBSD is not really any more complicated. The only time I really have problems with FreeBSD is when so;mething stupid happens, like a physical disc suicide (mbr sector gone) or if I did something accidentally like shutting down. That's exactly the point: The FreeBSD OS does what it is told to, it is completely predictable. If it acts strangely, there is a reason for it, e. g. faulty hardware, wrong command, missing library... In MICROS~1 land you often simply cannot tell if it is a defective installation, a virus, malware, or whatever, so you need to reinstall everything. I then try to learn what to do to fix things (have never lost any data - was able to recover it), how to clone, dump, restore. These are processes that are not simple and are not something that I have needed before. Hmmm... I think they are simple, but that's a very individual point of view. Just imagine how simple it is to use the cp command to copy files, and in opposite, how complicated it is to achieve the same using JCL. :-) Once you have understood a certain concept, you can rely on this knowledge, no matter which version of FreeBSD, which BSD or even which UNIX you are using. Things you've learned will serve you well everywhere, even in Linux. You won't find such an experience in MICROS~1 land. What is great about FreeBSD is that it is quite simple to set up, configure and use. Problems arise when one makes errors or there are incompatibilities caused by some installation conflicts and that seems to be the cause of most difficulties. As I said, this is completely correct if you consider the fact that the OS can only act as it is told. The list here is very hehlpful, especially for lazy guys like me. This list represents a very friendly and educated community. But to study the manual is beyond the capabilities of anyone ... sure, you can read it and study it... but you will forget anything you have read almost immediately if you are not applying what you are studying at once... there may
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:45:24 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Yeah, but stupid errors are not. Nobody can make all the errors. anyway I goofed somewhere. but what is strange is that the only obvious problem I have is this flashplugin - no matter what I do, I cannot get it to work. But obviously, as others are running it, it's possible. I do recall that at some point there was an update for flash or firefox and I think I allowed Firefox to update it... so the problem just may be with Firefox itself. That may be possible. And I just don't feel like going through a reinstallation of Firefox again... that is probably the most lengthy and tortuous installation of anything except for OpenOffice.org (I only use the binaries for that) and my cpus are 2.4 or 3Ghz. That's the reason that I really prefer precompiled packages. If you think that you system is all messed up, delete /usr/local and start installing from packages. Pay attention to run the files needed from /etc/mtree to restore the hierarchy for the /usr/local subtree. Anyway, I've given up on flash... I did so from its beginning. :-) I don't go to youtube or the like so I don't really miss it... There's youtube-dl. :-) it's just annoying that I can't access some sites properly when using FreeBSD. That's not FreeBSD's fault. If professional web designers need to optimize their content in order to prevent you from properly accessing it, it's their fault. I would complain to them, or just ignore them. Content that its creator doesn't want me to see is not worth seeing. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:25:53 +0100 Polytropon Polytropon free...@edvax.de replied: [snip] That's not FreeBSD's fault. If professional web designers need to optimize their content in order to prevent you from properly accessing it, it's their fault. I would complain to them, or just ignore them. Content that its creator doesn't want me to see is not worth seeing. You don't really believe that do you. Web creators attempt to make their sites accessible to the largest possible audience. It is probably cost prohibited, if even reasonably possible to make a site 100% viewable in every browsers (don't forget lynxs) available. Any intelligent business plan would dictate that they therefore concentrate on the largest possible audience. This problem, like the nVidea 64 bit drivers, rests with FreeBSD. You simply cannot expect any software developer to develop and maintain a product for what is in reality a niche OS. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com |=== |=== |=== |=== | I am more bored than you could ever possibly be. Go back to work. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:55:20 -0400, Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:25:53 +0100 Polytropon Polytropon free...@edvax.de replied: [snip] That's not FreeBSD's fault. If professional web designers need to optimize their content in order to prevent you from properly accessing it, it's their fault. I would complain to them, or just ignore them. Content that its creator doesn't want me to see is not worth seeing. You don't really believe that do you. Web creators attempt to make their sites accessible to the largest possible audience. Let's say, they *should*. I've seen (or not seen) web pages... for example one that doesn't even tell you which page you are on without Flash. Very useful for blind persons. It is probably cost prohibited, if even reasonably possible to make a site 100% viewable in every browsers (don't forget lynxs) available. In most cases where Flash is used, it is used to annoy users with animated advertisement (where previously animated GIFs had been used) or to implement something that simple as a list of further links (which can be done in HTML, in JavaScript, but shouldn't require a proprietary plugin). If a web page is viewable in lynx, it's high quality. The term quality does not refer to the amount of different media embedded, nor does it refer to the amount of different fonts, font sizes, colors and images used. It refers to what you said: largest possible audience. This includes all the exceptions, such as blind users who need a readout on a braille line, or a synthesized speech output. You can, however, achieve this with Flash, if you embed it correctly and maybe offer an alternative (No 'Flash' version) of the content. The same is for using the alt= and longdesc= attributes in HTML for images. Okay, I will be honest: Nobody does this today anymore. Well... I do... but I'm completely mad. Any intelligent business plan would dictate that they therefore concentrate on the largest possible audience. Let's say, the largest subset of the possible audience, that would be more correct. Web developers, as well as cretors of viruses and malware, rely on what the majority of PC users do use: Windows and Flash. If this is present, fine. If not... NO CONTENT FOR YOU! NEXT ONE! :-) This problem, like the nVidea 64 bit drivers, rests with FreeBSD. FreeBSD develops nVidia's GPUs and their drivers? I don't think so. For FreeBSD users there are two options on the side of nVidia: a) open up the devices and the drivers so the community can develop quality drivers b) develop quality drivers in-house and offer binary packages And of course, for the users: c) If it doesn't run on my OS, I don't buy it. FreeBSD's and X's sources are free, so it's easy to implement the drivers. Vice versa, it's not easy to develop drivers for a GPU that (FreeBSD's and X's) developers don't know enough about. According to Flash, why would you think it's okay to require a proprietary plugin that is developed in a closed way and hooks SO DEEPLY into the system that it's that hard to implement? And when you think about the benefits of having such a plugin... sometimes you are glad that you can easily TURN IT OFF. Again the analogy for images: Sometimes, their use makes a web page ugly as sin and unreadable. Then I just switch the images off in Opera. I don't need a plugin from an arbitrary company to see PNG images, and know that this company does not offer such a plugin for my platform, and that the plugin for viewing PNG images hooks deeply into the system's kernel so there is no 100% usable free alternative of it. The day that Flash is an open standard and can be used the same way as PNG images in a web page (and through the means of a web browser), I will be glad to review my attitude. You simply cannot expect any software developer to develop and maintain a product for what is in reality a niche OS. Well, I don't expect the software development company to do so. They have the change to make Flash a standard (by opening it). If they don't, it's okay, it is their right to do so. But then, a web developer can't expect me to buy an expensive PC with some Windows and a prone-to-abuse plugin of Flash just to see some advertisement or something else that every half-skilled web developer could easily implement with HTML, CSS and maybe JavaScript. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:25:53 +0100 You don't really believe that do you. Web creators attempt to make their sites accessible to the largest possible audience. It is probably cost prohibited, if even reasonably possible to make a site 100% viewable in every browsers (don't forget lynxs) available. Any intelligent business plan would dictate that they therefore concentrate on the largest possible audience. This problem, like the nVidea 64 bit drivers, rests with FreeBSD. You simply cannot expect any software developer to develop and maintain a product for what is in reality a niche OS. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com Nvidia 64 is a different animal. They have communicated why they didn't release such a driver, and my understanding is that most or all of those shortcomings have been remedied in 8 making discussion of a new amd64 binary possible now. It is also my understanding FreeBSD in one form or another has attempted to bridge to gap with adobe, and haven't received feedback and are basically ignored. Disdain could easily be interpreted by such a response. I'm unclear as to what you expect FreeBSD to do in such a situation. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:55:20 -0400, Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:25:53 +0100 Polytropon Polytropon free...@edvax.de replied: [snip] That's not FreeBSD's fault. If professional web designers need to optimize their content in order to prevent you from properly accessing it, it's their fault. I would complain to them, or just ignore them. Content that its creator doesn't want me to see is not worth seeing. You don't really believe that do you. Web creators attempt to make their sites accessible to the largest possible audience. Let's say, they *should*. I've seen (or not seen) web pages... for example one that doesn't even tell you which page you are on without Flash. Very useful for blind persons. It is probably cost prohibited, if even reasonably possible to make a site 100% viewable in every browsers (don't forget lynxs) available. In most cases where Flash is used, it is used to annoy users with animated advertisement (where previously animated GIFs had been used) or to implement something that simple as a list of further links (which can be done in HTML, in JavaScript, but shouldn't require a proprietary plugin). If a web page is viewable in lynx, it's high quality. The term quality does not refer to the amount of different media embedded, nor does it refer to the amount of different fonts, font sizes, colors and images used. It refers to what you said: largest possible audience. This includes all the exceptions, such as blind users who need a readout on a braille line, or a synthesized speech output. You can, however, achieve this with Flash, if you embed it correctly and maybe offer an alternative (No 'Flash' version) of the content. The same is for using the alt= and longdesc= attributes in HTML for images. Okay, I will be honest: Nobody does this today anymore. Well... I do... but I'm completely mad. Any intelligent business plan would dictate that they therefore concentrate on the largest possible audience. Let's say, the largest subset of the possible audience, that would be more correct. Web developers, as well as cretors of viruses and malware, rely on what the majority of PC users do use: Windows and Flash. If this is present, fine. If not... NO CONTENT FOR YOU! NEXT ONE! :-) This problem, like the nVidea 64 bit drivers, rests with FreeBSD. FreeBSD develops nVidia's GPUs and their drivers? I don't think so. For FreeBSD users there are two options on the side of nVidia: a) open up the devices and the drivers so the community can develop quality drivers b) develop quality drivers in-house and offer binary packages And of course, for the users: c) If it doesn't run on my OS, I don't buy it. FreeBSD's and X's sources are free, so it's easy to implement the drivers. Vice versa, it's not easy to develop drivers for a GPU that (FreeBSD's and X's) developers don't know enough about. According to Flash, why would you think it's okay to require a proprietary plugin that is developed in a closed way and hooks SO DEEPLY into the system that it's that hard to implement? And when you think about the benefits of having such a plugin... sometimes you are glad that you can easily TURN IT OFF. Again the analogy for images: Sometimes, their use makes a web page ugly as sin and unreadable. Then I just switch the images off in Opera. I don't need a plugin from an arbitrary company to see PNG images, and know that this company does not offer such a plugin for my platform, and that the plugin for viewing PNG images hooks deeply into the system's kernel so there is no 100% usable free alternative of it. The day that Flash is an open standard and can be used the same way as PNG images in a web page (and through the means of a web browser), I will be glad to review my attitude. You simply cannot expect any software developer to develop and maintain a product for what is in reality a niche OS. Well, I don't expect the software development company to do so. They have the change to make Flash a standard (by opening it). If they don't, it's okay, it is their right to do so. But then, a web developer can't expect me to buy an expensive PC with some Windows and a prone-to-abuse plugin of Flash just to see some advertisement or something else that every half-skilled web developer could easily implement with HTML, CSS and maybe JavaScript. HEY, GUYS I think you're forgetting one very important aspect of all this crap... the fault lies with ADOBE just look at the greedy sobs - they produce overpriced products (that, incidentally, they sell to the kChinese at ludicrous prices or repates and tolerate their illegal copying) which are notoriously buggy - they bloat the OSs and never really fix their errors they are the ones who should provide some
Re: flashplugin
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:04:24 + Freminlins freminl...@gmail.com wrote: I must admit I gave up ever getting Flash to work RELIABLY on FreeBSD a long time ago. It's just too hard, too much work, and not worth the misery of installing heaps of crud just to get a flipping browser plugin working unreliably. Some time ago I installed the windows version of Firefox and Flash under wine and I've found it pretty reliable. I don't use it all the time just on the small number of sites where flash is essential. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:06:30 -0400 PJ PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca replied: Thank you very much Herbert, I appreciate your input. As I wrote in my original query, I had auccessfully installed the lilnux-flashplugin9 on FreeBSD 7.2 both on a 64 bit portable _ Acer Travelmate 4400 - and on a couple of disks on the same machine (i386). I followed the instructions from http://crnl.org/blog/2008/11/01/flash-9-for-freebsd-71#comment-form upgrade FreeBSD. Once that's done the rest is straight forward. Step 1: Enable Linux compatibility and linprocfs Add linux_enable=YES to /etc/rc.conf. Add compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 to /etc/sysctl.conf. Add OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=f8 to /etc/make.conf. Add this line to /etc/fstab: linproc /usr/compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0 Then run these commands: mkdir -p /usr/compat/linux/proc mount /usr/compat/linux/proc /etc/rc.d/abi start /etc/rc.d/sysctl start Step 2: Update ports and install all the needed software You will now need to install the following ports and their dependencies: cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-f8 make install clean cd /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin9 make install clean cd /usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper make install clean Follow the nspluginwrapper instructions to enable all available plugins: # nspluginwrapper -v -a -i Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin Install plugin /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so into /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so Auto-install plugins from /root/.mozilla/plugins Looking for plugins in /root/.mozilla/plugins Restart or open Firefox 3 and enter about:plugins into your address bar. You should see something like the following: And that's it! Open your favourite Flash site and all should work. If your browser doesn't register the Shockwave Flash plugin as pictured above, you might need to do a bit of extra work as I had to do on one of my machines: cd /usr/local/lib/firefox3/plugins ln -s /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so npwrapper.libflashplayer.so I'm not sure why one of my machines needed this, but it might happen to you so this is just a heads up. Update: I have learned that the change with the plugin directory is due to a change in FreeBSD's Firefox 3 port. If you're running port version 3.0.1_1 or later you will need to use the new plugin directory as shown above. CVS change history can be seen here. Enjoy! That is precisely why I keep an XP box nearby. There is no way in hell that I would want to personally, or expect a colleague for that matter, to waste valuable time getting a simple plug-in to work; especially since I can do it in a matter of seconds on a Microsoft product. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com |=== |=== |=== |=== | Nuclear war would really set back cable. Ted Turner ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
--On Tuesday, October 27, 2009 04:13:52 -0500 Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote: That is precisely why I keep an XP box nearby. There is no way in hell that I would want to personally, or expect a colleague for that matter, to waste valuable time getting a simple plug-in to work; especially since I can do it in a matter of seconds on a Microsoft product. The problem is, it's not a simple plugin. It is on Windows. On FreeBSD it requires manipulation precisely because *there is no plugin* for FreeBSD. It's a Linux plugin being adapted to FreeBSD using linux emulation, which adds a layer of complexity that Windows doesn't have to deal with. Imagine trying to get a Mac executable to run on Windows, and maybe you can understand why flash has always been problematic on FreeBSD (although great progress has been made.) -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
That is precisely why I keep an XP box nearby. There is no way in hell that I would want to personally, or expect a colleague for that matter, to waste valuable time getting a simple plug-in to work; especially since I can do it in a matter of seconds on a Microsoft product. Strange.. it has been a long time since I used a windows box... our computers here at home and in the offices are all freebsd... and flash works like a charm in 64 and 32 bits using R7.2 and 8.0... it is faster than windows, no problem with the browser We use gnome 2.26 and epiphany with the libxul backend libxine as multimedia, and pulseaudio as audio driver... we have several notebooks running R7.2 and some acer notebooks running Linux too all with gnome 2.26.. no problem at all only At home, sometimes I use a windows box (ancient XP)... for a game (IL2 1946)... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: That is precisely why I keep an XP box nearby. There is no way in hell that I would want to personally, or expect a colleague for that matter, to waste valuable time getting a simple plug-in to work; especially since I can do it in a matter of seconds on a Microsoft product. Strange.. it has been a long time since I used a windows box... our computers here at home and in the offices are all freebsd... and flash works like a charm in 64 and 32 bits using R7.2 and 8.0... it is faster than windows, no problem with the browser We use gnome 2.26 and epiphany with the libxul backend libxine as multimedia, and pulseaudio as audio driver... we have several notebooks running R7.2 and some acer notebooks running Linux too all with gnome 2.26.. no problem at all only At home, sometimes I use a windows box (ancient XP)... for a game (IL2 1946)... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I wish someone could explain to me why I am no longer able to install flashplugin ... none of the methods work for me on amy version... I have literally tried them all.. the latest was linux-f10 - I cleaned out all the linux stuff, umounted the proc sytem cleaned out everything I could find related (?) to linux and reinstalled. No go, no way, José! I did catch some kind of warning that flashed by on the screen about Glib - seems to be gstreamer related...??? and the only thing I can find is the error message that flashplugin.so (or whatever the file is) could not be loaded because shared file libfreetype.so.6 could not be found... and the only libfreetype.so.6 file on the s;ystem is ...so.6.something.something... If the system is smart enought to not find the right file, it ought to be smart enought to know where this file should be and to what it is related... duh ! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
Ok... supose you use FreeBSD 7.2 P3 (last version) but the RELEASE should work too.. supose you use AMD64 1) compile a custom kernel with SEM (semaphore enable) (sem_enable=YES) in the loader.conf 2) deinstall all linux stuff, remove the /compat/linux from the system, deinstall all pkg with linux 3) supose you will choose the basics... that is linux fc4 4) mount the /proc and linprocfs in fstab linproc /compat/linux/proc linprocfsrw,noauto 0 0 proc/proc procfs rw 0 0 5) install portmaster (recomended) 6) portmaster -Bdg www/linuxpluginwrapper 7) portmaster -Bdg www/linux-flashplugin9 8) mount -a (this will mount the /proc and linprocfs 9) nspluginwapper -v -a -i 10 ) if you are using epiphany. cd /usr/local/lib/epiphany/2.26/plugins;ln -s /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/*.so . 11) make sure linux module is on the kernel.. 12) run browserand type about:plugins(this will show you the plugin running) This sure works... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: Ok... supose you use FreeBSD 7.2 P3 (last version) but the RELEASE should work too.. supose you use AMD64 1) compile a custom kernel with SEM (semaphore enable) (sem_enable=YES) in the loader.conf 2) deinstall all linux stuff, remove the /compat/linux from the system, deinstall all pkg with linux 3) supose you will choose the basics... that is linux fc4 4) mount the /proc and linprocfs in fstab linproc /compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw,noauto 0 0 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 5) install portmaster (recomended) 6) portmaster -Bdg www/linuxpluginwrapper 7) portmaster -Bdg www/linux-flashplugin9 8) mount -a (this will mount the /proc and linprocfs 9) nspluginwapper -v -a -i 10 ) if you are using epiphany. cd /usr/local/lib/epiphany/2.26/plugins;ln -s /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/*.so . 11) make sure linux module is on the kernel.. 12) run browserand type about:plugins(this will show you the plugin running) This sure works... The installation on the Acer travelmate 4400 turion 64bid was quite simple - just following instructions I found for installing flashplayer9 ... it went without a problem The problem is on 7.2 p4 if I'm not mistaken on i386 - as I said, I was able to install flashplayer9 and all went well, but the something happened and I don't know what... now it is impossible to install any flashplayer... I have tried them all... now I have linux-f10 with flashplayer10 installed and all I get is an error that flashplugin.so cannot be started because a shared file freetype.so.6 cannot be found... It's there allright and is linked to fretype.so.6.13 or some number like that... the fine name may not be correct as I don't have it in front of me... but then, where is this shared file supposed to be? The setups for the flashplayer are such a ridiculous mess that I can only laugh...There are obviously conflicts or something screwing things up from other programs like gimp or ImageMagic or gstreamers or some such stuff... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
2009/10/25 Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk % pkg_info -r linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32 Information for linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32: Depends on: Dependency: linux_base-f10-10_2 Dependency: linux-f10-openssl-0.9.8g Dependency: linux-f10-openldap-2.4.12_1 Dependency: linux-f10-libssh2-0.18 Dependency: linux-f10-cyrus-sasl2-2.1.22 Dependency: linux-f10-curl-7.19.4_4 Dependency: linux-f10-nspr-4.7.4 Dependency: linux-f10-sqlite3-3.5.9_1 Dependency: linux-f10-nss-3.12.2.0 Why the hell the Flash plugin (for Linux) needs openldap and sqlite I do not know. SASL too for that matter. I must admit I gave up ever getting Flash to work RELIABLY on FreeBSD a long time ago. It's just too hard, too much work, and not worth the misery of installing heaps of crud just to get a flipping browser plugin working unreliably. Cheers, Matthew MF. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
Thank you very much Herbert, I appreciate your input. As I wrote in my original query, I had auccessfully installed the lilnux-flashplugin9 on FreeBSD 7.2 both on a 64 bit portable _ Acer Travelmate 4400 - and on a couple of disks on the same machine (i386). I followed the instructions from http://crnl.org/blog/2008/11/01/flash-9-for-freebsd-71#comment-form upgrade FreeBSD. Once that's done the rest is straight forward. Step 1: Enable Linux compatibility and linprocfs Add linux_enable=YES to /etc/rc.conf. Add compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 to /etc/sysctl.conf. Add OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=f8 to /etc/make.conf. Add this line to /etc/fstab: linproc /usr/compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0 Then run these commands: mkdir -p /usr/compat/linux/proc mount /usr/compat/linux/proc /etc/rc.d/abi start /etc/rc.d/sysctl start Step 2: Update ports and install all the needed software You will now need to install the following ports and their dependencies: cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-f8 make install clean cd /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin9 make install clean cd /usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper make install clean Follow the nspluginwrapper instructions to enable all available plugins: # nspluginwrapper -v -a -i Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin Install plugin /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so into /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so Auto-install plugins from /root/.mozilla/plugins Looking for plugins in /root/.mozilla/plugins Restart or open Firefox 3 and enter about:plugins into your address bar. You should see something like the following: And that's it! Open your favourite Flash site and all should work. If your browser doesn't register the Shockwave Flash plugin as pictured above, you might need to do a bit of extra work as I had to do on one of my machines: cd /usr/local/lib/firefox3/plugins ln -s /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so npwrapper.libflashplayer.so I'm not sure why one of my machines needed this, but it might happen to you so this is just a heads up. Update: I have learned that the change with the plugin directory is due to a change in FreeBSD's Firefox 3 port. If you're running port version 3.0.1_1 or later you will need to use the new plugin directory as shown above. CVS change history can be seen here. Enjoy! Worked without a problem. But while learning how to dump/restore to make clones, I cannot imagine what happened, but I found that the machines now had lilnux-fc4 distribution. This did not work. I have tried to install all the versions of linux, except the f10, and all versions of flashplayer 0 7, 9 and even 10 ... no way will it work...so I just have to abandon it an accept the fact that Adobe sucks just as much as MushWindows. I have also tried following the instructions in the manual and have lost a tremendous lot of time... really, this is the kind of shit that we just don't need ... why do we tolerate the likes of Adobe and MS? (Rhetorical question) Thanks, anyway. herbert langhans wrote: I have some instructions on http://freebsd.langhans.com.pl/af/index.html - not updated for a while, but it might be some useful input. Cheers herb langhans On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 07:56:58PM -0400, PJ wrote: Is there any definitive install guide for flashplugin. I was able to install it on a 7.2 64bit machine and then on an i386 but somehow it has morphed into god-knows-what and no longer works. I thought I had installed it with linux-f8 emulations but I found the linux-f4 on the machine... so I don't know what is going on. Now, trying to reinstall under linux-f8 and flashplugin9 does not work... Adobe seems to be toally unreliable as to what they are doing with their software; at least from what I can see about the problems users are having with their products. So, the question - what is the latest method to get the flashplugin to work - what linux emulation, whick version of flashplugin... stumble, bumble and mumble ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
Matthew Seaman wrote: PJ wrote: Is there any definitive install guide for flashplugin. I was able to install it on a 7.2 64bit machine and then on an i386 but somehow it has morphed into god-knows-what and no longer works. This is what I did for a 7.2 box. Note that there are compatibility issues between new versions of Linux emulation and older versions of FreeBSD, so don't expect this to work with anything older. * Make a note of all the linux-emulated software you have installed for later reference: # pkg_info -orx linux linux-stuff We save the package origins in particular, because this procedure will result in a name change for most linux packages. * Delete everything linux related # pkg_delete -rx linux * Check and clean out /compat/linux -- there shouldn't be any interesting files left in this directory after the above step. As I recall, when I did this, there was a ldconfig.hints file (which would be regenerated on demand), and some Acrobat related stuff under /compat/linux/home/matthew which I didn't care about, and which shouldn't have been there anyhow. # cd /compat/linux # find . -type f -ls # rm -rf * * Change the default Linux kernel version for emulation: # sysctl compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 Also add compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 to /etc/sysctl.conf so it gets reset on reboots. * Tell the ports system we want to use Fedora-10 as the Linux base by adding OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT= f10 OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORTS= f10 to /etc/make.conf. * Now install www/linux-f10-flashplugin10 from ports -- this should have all of the following as dependencies (modulo any version updates that may have happened since writing this): % pkg_info -r linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32 Information for linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32: Depends on: Dependency: linux_base-f10-10_2 Dependency: linux-f10-openssl-0.9.8g Dependency: linux-f10-openldap-2.4.12_1 Dependency: linux-f10-libssh2-0.18 Dependency: linux-f10-cyrus-sasl2-2.1.22 Dependency: linux-f10-curl-7.19.4_4 Dependency: linux-f10-nspr-4.7.4 Dependency: linux-f10-sqlite3-3.5.9_1 Dependency: linux-f10-nss-3.12.2.0 if that isn't the case and you aren't getting the f10 flavour of those ports, double check everything you've done so far for errors, and try again from the top. * Add nspluginwrapper to enable Firefox to load the flash add-on: # portinstall www/nspluginwrapper (This has a dependency list as long as your arm, so it might take some time...) Following the install instructions for the nspluginwrapper package (which you can redisplay by pkg_info -Dx nspluginwrapper) install whatever globally available plugins there are by running this as root: # nspluginwrapper -v -a -i This puts plugins into /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/ which Firefox should read. Alternatively, install the plugins locally to your own user account by running that command under your own UID: % nspluginwrapper -v -a -i * Finally, fire up Firefox and check that it has loaded the flash plugin by typing 'about:plugins' into the URL bar. Find a site with flash content[*], and enjoy. * Check the list you made at the first step, and reinstall any other linux applications you want. So far I've found flash10 under Fedora10 to be pretty stable and inoffensive on FreeBSD 7.2. You even get the sound track on Flash movies. However I'm still running Firefox with xpi-flashblock-1.5.11.2 and xpi-noscript-1.9.3.3 on general principles Adobe Acrobat isn't working, but I think that's more to do with the map_at_zero stuff introduced in the last security advisory. Cheers, Matthew [*] I think there are one or two flash based things at YouTube.com Much appreciated, Matthew. I will give it a shot... maybe I should have tried to clean things out earlier... I was just too-dumb-lazy and din't know the shortcuts you offer above. Will let you know... but it may take some time as I have to catch up with lost time energy. :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
Freminlins wrote: 2009/10/25 Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk % pkg_info -r linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32 Information for linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32: Depends on: Dependency: linux_base-f10-10_2 Dependency: linux-f10-openssl-0.9.8g Dependency: linux-f10-openldap-2.4.12_1 Dependency: linux-f10-libssh2-0.18 Dependency: linux-f10-cyrus-sasl2-2.1.22 Dependency: linux-f10-curl-7.19.4_4 Dependency: linux-f10-nspr-4.7.4 Dependency: linux-f10-sqlite3-3.5.9_1 Dependency: linux-f10-nss-3.12.2.0 Why the hell the Flash plugin (for Linux) needs openldap and sqlite I do not know. SASL too for that matter. I must admit I gave up ever getting Flash to work RELIABLY on FreeBSD a long time ago. It's just too hard, too much work, and not worth the misery of installing heaps of crud just to get a flipping browser plugin working unreliably. I haven't tried your last suggestion yet... but it will be the last... I'm only wanted to be able to use it for my own development stuff - I have to time for the youtubes and mindless twitterings. Fortunately, as much as I hate MS, flash does work on it. But adobe and ms muck up the system so that it lumbers along like a humpty-Dumpty overstuffed S-car-go! ;-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
I have some instructions on http://freebsd.langhans.com.pl/af/index.html - not updated for a while, but it might be some useful input. Cheers herb langhans On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 07:56:58PM -0400, PJ wrote: Is there any definitive install guide for flashplugin. I was able to install it on a 7.2 64bit machine and then on an i386 but somehow it has morphed into god-knows-what and no longer works. I thought I had installed it with linux-f8 emulations but I found the linux-f4 on the machine... so I don't know what is going on. Now, trying to reinstall under linux-f8 and flashplugin9 does not work... Adobe seems to be toally unreliable as to what they are doing with their software; at least from what I can see about the problems users are having with their products. So, the question - what is the latest method to get the flashplugin to work - what linux emulation, whick version of flashplugin... stumble, bumble and mumble ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau http://www.langhans.com.pl herbert dot raimund at gmx dot net +0048 603 341 441 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
PJ wrote: Is there any definitive install guide for flashplugin. I was able to install it on a 7.2 64bit machine and then on an i386 but somehow it has morphed into god-knows-what and no longer works. This is what I did for a 7.2 box. Note that there are compatibility issues between new versions of Linux emulation and older versions of FreeBSD, so don't expect this to work with anything older. * Make a note of all the linux-emulated software you have installed for later reference: # pkg_info -orx linux linux-stuff We save the package origins in particular, because this procedure will result in a name change for most linux packages. * Delete everything linux related # pkg_delete -rx linux * Check and clean out /compat/linux -- there shouldn't be any interesting files left in this directory after the above step. As I recall, when I did this, there was a ldconfig.hints file (which would be regenerated on demand), and some Acrobat related stuff under /compat/linux/home/matthew which I didn't care about, and which shouldn't have been there anyhow. # cd /compat/linux # find . -type f -ls # rm -rf * * Change the default Linux kernel version for emulation: # sysctl compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 Also add compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 to /etc/sysctl.conf so it gets reset on reboots. * Tell the ports system we want to use Fedora-10 as the Linux base by adding OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT= f10 OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORTS= f10 to /etc/make.conf. * Now install www/linux-f10-flashplugin10 from ports -- this should have all of the following as dependencies (modulo any version updates that may have happened since writing this): % pkg_info -r linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32 Information for linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32: Depends on: Dependency: linux_base-f10-10_2 Dependency: linux-f10-openssl-0.9.8g Dependency: linux-f10-openldap-2.4.12_1 Dependency: linux-f10-libssh2-0.18 Dependency: linux-f10-cyrus-sasl2-2.1.22 Dependency: linux-f10-curl-7.19.4_4 Dependency: linux-f10-nspr-4.7.4 Dependency: linux-f10-sqlite3-3.5.9_1 Dependency: linux-f10-nss-3.12.2.0 if that isn't the case and you aren't getting the f10 flavour of those ports, double check everything you've done so far for errors, and try again from the top. * Add nspluginwrapper to enable Firefox to load the flash add-on: # portinstall www/nspluginwrapper (This has a dependency list as long as your arm, so it might take some time...) Following the install instructions for the nspluginwrapper package (which you can redisplay by pkg_info -Dx nspluginwrapper) install whatever globally available plugins there are by running this as root: # nspluginwrapper -v -a -i This puts plugins into /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/ which Firefox should read. Alternatively, install the plugins locally to your own user account by running that command under your own UID: % nspluginwrapper -v -a -i * Finally, fire up Firefox and check that it has loaded the flash plugin by typing 'about:plugins' into the URL bar. Find a site with flash content[*], and enjoy. * Check the list you made at the first step, and reinstall any other linux applications you want. So far I've found flash10 under Fedora10 to be pretty stable and inoffensive on FreeBSD 7.2. You even get the sound track on Flash movies. However I'm still running Firefox with xpi-flashblock-1.5.11.2 and xpi-noscript-1.9.3.3 on general principles Adobe Acrobat isn't working, but I think that's more to do with the map_at_zero stuff introduced in the last security advisory. Cheers, Matthew [*] I think there are one or two flash based things at YouTube.com -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: flashplugin
Howdy, On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:56 PM, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Is there any definitive install guide for flashplugin. I was able to install it on a 7.2 64bit machine and then on an i386 but somehow it has morphed into god-knows-what and no longer works. Any errors? I thought I had installed it with linux-f8 emulations but I found the linux-f4 on the machine... so I don't know what is going on. Now, trying to reinstall under linux-f8 and flashplugin9 does not work... I used the steps in the handbook[1] to get flash on my FreeBSD 8 machines. I never used flash on 7 because it wasn't worth the trouble. Things have changed since. Adobe seems to be toally unreliable as to what they are doing with their software; at least from what I can see about the problems users are having with their products. Any major software vendor fits in this category, IMHO. Not everything works for everyone. Computer configurations, hardware, OS, etc differ from person to person, company to company. So, the question - what is the latest method to get the flashplugin to work - what linux emulation, whick version of flashplugin... stumble, bumble and mumble ... [1] - http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html#MOZ-FLASH-PLUGIN HTH. -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
Glen Barber wrote: Howdy, On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:56 PM, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Is there any definitive install guide for flashplugin. I was able to install it on a 7.2 64bit machine and then on an i386 but somehow it has morphed into god-knows-what and no longer works. Any errors? I was just about to add what I had forgotten... latest fiddling with the non-working installation gives error: shared object libdl.so.2 not found required by libflashplugin.so And I've roamed the web trying to find solutions, but nothing really is solid... I used some instructions from crnl.org-blog-Flash 9 for FreeBSD 7.1 and it worked when I first installed it both on 7.2 x64bit and i386... but that wasn't for long.. I thought I had installed it with linux-f8 emulations but I found the linux-f4 on the machine... so I don't know what is going on. Now, trying to reinstall under linux-f8 and flashplugin9 does not work... I used the steps in the handbook[1] to get flash on my FreeBSD 8 machines. I never used flash on 7 because it wasn't worth the trouble. Things have changed since. I've been using 7.2 thinking it was to be stable for a while... oh, well... now I'm waiting for 8 to be released before switching. Adobe seems to be toally unreliable as to what they are doing with their software; at least from what I can see about the problems users are having with their products. Any major software vendor fits in this category, IMHO. But MS and Adobe are unbelievabley horrendous...and why they don't fix the problems their software have had for many years already is beyond me.. Not everything works for everyone. Computer configurations, hardware, OS, etc differ from person to person, company to company. Well, that's normal if the user has no idea of what they are doing... I'd hope I know a little more than that... but that doesn't help eityher... for instance, the only way I can get Windoze XP office to work is to set up a new user and it works fine... the original user just refuses to work... ridiculous... but then, I only use the damned thing when someone else has forceed me to open what they have made... So, the question - what is the latest method to get the flashplugin to work - what linux emulation, whick version of flashplugin... stumble, bumble and mumble ... [1] - http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html#MOZ-FLASH-PLUGIN Yeah, I had installed that and it worked fine... but now it no longer works... I had it on two machines and two installations of 7.2 on the same machine... but now ... it no longer works... and I don't understand why... I did install gimp and inksckape on one of the installations, but neither the other nor this one wanted to work... so hurray for adobe and Linux... I waste more time trying to get their stuff to work without hindrances and Thanks for the suggestions. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flashplugin
Conrad J. Sabatier [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:00:27 -0500 Derek Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I have tried using swfdec-plugin to do flash, but it doesnt seem to work too well at least with firefox. One ... I prefer being able to select what flash loads automaticly and Two ... I like to be able to see the flash video but all it does is freeze I can't seem to get linux-flashplugin7 anymore due to the restricted status. Flashplugin9 locks up also, which we all know already. I have heard gnash doesnt do much better... Anyone have a solution that works halfway? I just installed the HEAD version of Gnash today, and I must say, it's working much, much better than the official release version (0.8.3). Sites that malfunctioned before are now displaying properly at last! I'm sorry but I must ask. What version of flash can be reliably viewed? I guess many if not most are new asking for flash9 or flash8. I find few that are satisfied with flash7. Thanks, ed See http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/#downloading for instructions on how to get the source code. You'll also need to install devel/bazaar-ng in order to fetch it. -- PROOF OF GOD #483. ARGUMENT FROM PROBABLE PROOF (1) God exists. (2) Can I prove it? Probably. (3) Therefore, God exists. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
For youtube, gnash works better than linux-flashplugin7 and worse than wine+flash9 on i386. I understand that amd64 has difficulties with wine, making gnash or similar the only option. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:00:27 -0500 Derek Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I have tried using swfdec-plugin to do flash, but it doesnt seem to work too well at least with firefox. One ... I prefer being able to select what flash loads automaticly and Two ... I like to be able to see the flash video but all it does is freeze I can't seem to get linux-flashplugin7 anymore due to the restricted status. Flashplugin9 locks up also, which we all know already. I have heard gnash doesnt do much better... Anyone have a solution that works halfway? I just installed the HEAD version of Gnash today, and I must say, it's working much, much better than the official release version (0.8.3). Sites that malfunctioned before are now displaying properly at last! See http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/#downloading for instructions on how to get the source code. You'll also need to install devel/bazaar-ng in order to fetch it. -- PROOF OF GOD #483. ARGUMENT FROM PROBABLE PROOF (1) God exists. (2) Can I prove it? Probably. (3) Therefore, God exists. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Conrad J. Sabatier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:00:27 -0500 Derek Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I have tried using swfdec-plugin to do flash, but it doesnt seem to work too well at least with firefox. One ... I prefer being able to select what flash loads automaticly and Two ... I like to be able to see the flash video but all it does is freeze I can't seem to get linux-flashplugin7 anymore due to the restricted status. Flashplugin9 locks up also, which we all know already. I have heard gnash doesnt do much better... Anyone have a solution that works halfway? I just installed the HEAD version of Gnash today, and I must say, it's working much, much better than the official release version (0.8.3). Sites that malfunctioned before are now displaying properly at last! maybe the gnash-devel port should be updated Sam Fourman Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
Unfortunately, I don't think Adobe is likely to give a damn about people who would switch to FreeBSD (or FreeBSD spin-off like PC-BSD) if there do we need whole lot FreeBSD users? no. after certain amount of users quality starts to go down. the same was with linux whether there's a current, stable Flash player available. Adobe wants market penetration -- which it's just as happy to get by people being stuck on MS Windows as by any other means. simply don't use flash if it's author don't want you to do it - as that's what exactly is. they want only windoze and linux users to use flash, so don't use it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:17:12 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: simply don't use flash if it's author don't want you to do it - as that's what exactly is. they want only windoze and linux users to use flash, so don't use it. i don't use flash - don't need to see all those advertizements. and quite frankly, i generally find flash sites irritating anyway. i occasionally like to see some things on youtube (classical music videos), but i found i could just download them and use ffmpeg to convert. i'd rather wait for gnash to come up to speed - or not bother. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
flash, so don't use it. i don't use flash - don't need to see all those advertizements. and quite frankly, i generally find flash sites irritating anyway. i don't use it because sites that RELY on flash rarely (almost never) have any useful contents. i occasionally like to see some things on youtube (classical music videos), but i found i could just download them and use ffmpeg to youtube-dl from ports is nice script that do all that. you just give a link to this. youtube made people so dumb that they can't just put their movies on some server making it HTTP/FTP accessible, they have to put it on youtube and get converted to crap-quality. the movies are at best - recognizable. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:53:05 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: flash, so don't use it. i don't use flash - don't need to see all those advertizements. and quite frankly, i generally find flash sites irritating anyway. i don't use it because sites that RELY on flash rarely (almost never) have any useful contents. However, there are many banking institutions that use Flash. I also belong to several 'Officials Associations' that require the use of Flash. They are using Flash, not just to make my life easier, but to simplify theirs. All this nonsense about using third party programs to download content from sites such as, but not limited to YouTube, is just unacceptable. If I navigate to a URL, I fully expect to be able to view all of that site's content as easily using FreeBSD as I can using Window's with IE. or even Firefox. Anything less is just not acceptable. -- Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular. Adlai Stevenson signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Flashplugin
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:05:19 -0400 Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this nonsense about using third party programs to download content from sites such as, but not limited to YouTube, is just unacceptable. If I navigate to a URL, I fully expect to be able to view all of that site's content as easily using FreeBSD as I can using Window's with IE. or even Firefox. Anything less is just not acceptable. Then you have a few options: 1. use windows 2. use linux 3. use solaris 4. buy Adobe The latter simply does not support native FreeBSD. But I agree with you: Flash is not always shit or not needed. Quite a few times it gives somthing extra that makes the web more attractive. People stating it's advertizing 99% of the time are simply wrong. -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D ++ http://nagual.nl/ + SunOS sxce snv90 ++ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 08:11:50PM +0200, dick hoogendijk wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:05:19 -0400 Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this nonsense about using third party programs to download content from sites such as, but not limited to YouTube, is just unacceptable. If I navigate to a URL, I fully expect to be able to view all of that site's content as easily using FreeBSD as I can using Window's with IE. or even Firefox. Anything less is just not acceptable. Then you have a few options: 1. use windows 2. use linux 3. use solaris 4. buy Adobe The latter simply does not support native FreeBSD. But I agree with you: Flash is not always shit or not needed. Quite a few times it gives somthing extra that makes the web more attractive. People stating it's advertizing 99% of the time are simply wrong. Flash is useful, even on business pages. It can be more efficient at transmitting certain types of information. But, businesses that allow their web designer to supplant his|her ego by putting flash or any other cute trick in the way of getting business done are failing to manage their business and are welcome to go ahead and have their business fail. jerry -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D ++ http://nagual.nl/ + SunOS sxce snv90 ++ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
But I agree with you: Flash is not always shit or not needed. Quite a yes you are right. not always, just USUALLY. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:21:45 -0400 Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, businesses that allow their web designer to supplant his|her ego by putting flash or any other cute trick in the way of getting business done are failing to manage their business and are welcome to go ahead and have their business fail. absolutely! they are masochistically engaged in self-flashalation. :D -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Monday 16 June 2008 16:49:45 prad wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:21:45 -0400 Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, businesses that allow their web designer to supplant his|her ego by putting flash or any other cute trick in the way of getting business done are failing to manage their business and are welcome to go ahead and have their business fail. absolutely! they are masochistically engaged in self-flashalation. :D Kinda makes me amost sorry that when a tool comes out with the intent of aiding criativity, ends up hipnotizing people to use every knob and switch there is. Some times I miss the good/old netscape 4.xx fast-loading/simple pages days. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:11:50 +0200 dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:05:19 -0400 Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this nonsense about using third party programs to download content from sites such as, but not limited to YouTube, is just unacceptable. If I navigate to a URL, I fully expect to be able to view all of that site's content as easily using FreeBSD as I can using Window's with IE. or even Firefox. Anything less is just not acceptable. Then you have a few options: 1. use windows 2. use linux 3. use solaris 4. buy Adobe The latter simply does not support native FreeBSD. But I agree with you: Flash is not always shit or not needed. Quite a few times it gives somthing extra that makes the web more attractive. People stating it's advertizing 99% of the time are simply wrong. The problem with Flash is neither * Flash ads (blockable with NoScript) NOR * Adobe's dismal/no support of FreeBSD (other alternatives exist) NOR * the closed-sourceness of Adobe's Flash Player (runs in isolated virtualized sandboxes where it won't do much harm, either intentionally or unintentionally) but the fact that Flash *content* itself is being routinely blocked / filtered at the edge of many corporate networks for security reasons, and the number of corporate networks that block Flash is increasing daily... and IMHO rightly so! If your company decided to block Flash content because they are afraid of industrial or economic espionage with Flash-based malware -- and there's an increasing number of companies in Europe, Taiwan, Korea, Japan and China which do just that for exactly this reason -- your only recourse is to insist that websites provide alternative non-Flash paths. It's not a Adobe against FreeBSD thing, it's a very simple matter of accessibility in general to content and a whole technology that is deemed untrusted by the security people responsible for company's valuable data. Hobbyists usually don't have so many sensitive data on their machines, or they don't care much about them if they leaked outside, but companies can't afford being this lax: they've got much more to lose if something goes wrong. Nothing against Flash: those who want to provide it or view it, nice! But any respectable site ought to provide a viable alternative to an important class of users: it's not just us FreeBSD users, it's far, FAR more than that! -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:36:36 +0200 cpghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with Flash is neither ... but the fact that Flash *content* itself is being routinely blocked / filtered at the edge of many corporate networks for security reasons, That's sounds more like the beginning of a solution, than a problem. No one cares about FreeBSD, but people surfing when they should be working are a major demographic. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 04:34:17AM -0500, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: for what it is worth, between 3 companies that I do consulting for, there are about 250 workstations that currently use, Windows ME, or Windows 2000.Flash and Microsoft Outlook remain the only 2 reasons we can not use PC-BSD. Wine is making some GREAT Progress, and very shortly if not already, Outlook will run in wine, and the lack of a current flash player will remain the only thing standing in the way of 250 more PC-BSD stations. Unfortunately, I don't think Adobe is likely to give a damn about people who would switch to FreeBSD (or FreeBSD spin-off like PC-BSD) if there were a current, stable Flash player for the platform. All Adobe's likely to care about is people who use FreeBSD (or a spin-off) regardless of whether there's a current, stable Flash player available. Adobe wants market penetration -- which it's just as happy to get by people being stuck on MS Windows as by any other means. So . . . if you want your situation to provide some kind of influence on Adobe to provide current, stable Flash players for FreeBSD and its spin-offs, you need to come up with numbers of FreeBSD-based desktop systems, not a number of systems running a platform Adobe already supports that *isn't* FreeBSD-based, no matter how much you'd like to change those systems to PC-BSD. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] awj @reddit: The terms never and always are never always true. pgp5ShWphvpWC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Flashplugin
Quoting Derek Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey all, I have tried using swfdec-plugin to do flash, but it doesnt seem to work too well at least with firefox. One ... I prefer being able to select what flash loads automaticly and Two ... I like to be able to see the flash video but all it does is freeze I can't seem to get linux-flashplugin7 anymore due to the restricted status. Flashplugin9 locks up also, which we all know already. I have heard gnash doesnt do much better... Anyone have a solution that works halfway? I've got a question. A friend has been loaning me his old laptop at work that runs Ubuntu and flash runs fine. I have not been able to make it fail, yet at least. Could there be a clue in Ubuntu somewhare? I'm actually thinking of running it under kqemu, if there isn't too much overhead, on my amd64 laptop until this gets sorted out. If anyone has flash9 working dependably under freebsd, please let us know how. Thanks, ed ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
Quoting herbert langhans [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are some instructions how you can get the Flashplayer running. Not perfect, but it will do in many cases. http://freebsd.langhans.com.pl/af/index.html Excellent howto Herb. My problem is that it seems that firefox-devel doesn't work with amd64 but being stubborn, I'm forcing a compile just to be sure. If it doesn't work on my laptop amd64 I will find a i386 to test on. Thanks for you work and documentation Have a great day, ed Cheers herbs -- *** Herbert Langhans, Warschau *** Sprachtraining Langhans *** http://www.langhans.com.pl *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NIP 526-229-61-51 *** Regon 014911759 *** Tel. 603 341 441 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
eculp writes: I've got a question. A friend has been loaning me his old laptop at work that runs Ubuntu and flash runs fine. I have not been able to make it fail, yet at least. Could there be a clue in Ubuntu somewhare? I'm actually thinking of running it under kqemu, if there isn't too much overhead, on my amd64 laptop until this gets sorted out. The Flashplugins in the ports collection are the Linux versions, which require both a) an interface between the plugin and the browser and b) the Linux emulation layer. My last information about Flash9, gleaned from various FreeBSD mailing lists: the problem is thought to be _somewhere_ between the plugin and the emulation layer. This is roughly equivalent to saying there is a mouse somewhere in inesrt your continent here. The current set of permanent pest control experts (the Linux emulation crew) has considered the matter and decided this is not worth the time. As of the time I heard about it, this was in part because a) Flash9 had tangible problems under Linux and b) even if they knew what was broken in the plugin the track record of Adobe being willing to fix it was poor. (Volunteers for a special mission should apply on the emulation@ list.) Don't get me wrong - I'd love to have a working Flashcurrent even under emulation. But after _years_ of having hopes raised and dashed I'm pretty much waiting for Flash10 which is supposed to have an open spec API (ABI??). Robert Huff . ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
Quoting Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: eculp writes: I've got a question. A friend has been loaning me his old laptop at work that runs Ubuntu and flash runs fine. I have not been able to make it fail, yet at least. Could there be a clue in Ubuntu somewhare? I'm actually thinking of running it under kqemu, if there isn't too much overhead, on my amd64 laptop until this gets sorted out. The Flashplugins in the ports collection are the Linux versions, which require both a) an interface between the plugin and the browser and b) the Linux emulation layer. My last information about Flash9, gleaned from various FreeBSD mailing lists: the problem is thought to be _somewhere_ between the plugin and the emulation layer. This is roughly equivalent to saying there is a mouse somewhere in inesrt your continent here. The current set of permanent pest control experts (the Linux emulation crew) has considered the matter and decided this is not worth the time. As of the time I heard about it, this was in part because a) Flash9 had tangible problems under Linux and b) even if they knew what was broken in the plugin the track record of Adobe being willing to fix it was poor. (Volunteers for a special mission should apply on the emulation@ list.) Don't get me wrong - I'd love to have a working Flashcurrent even under emulation. But after _years_ of having hopes raised and dashed I'm pretty much waiting for Flash10 which is supposed to have an open spec API (ABI??). Great information, Robert. Thanks. ed ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
There are some instructions how you can get the Flashplayer running. Not perfect, but it will do in many cases. http://freebsd.langhans.com.pl/af/index.html Cheers herbs -- *** Herbert Langhans, Warschau *** Sprachtraining Langhans *** http://www.langhans.com.pl *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NIP 526-229-61-51 *** Regon 014911759 *** Tel. 603 341 441 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Sat, Jun 07, 2008 at 05:09:08PM -0700, Tobias Hoellrich wrote: [Disclaimer: I work for Adobe Systems. I have nothing to do with the Flash Player. I'm a grunt who works on other stuff. This is my personal opinion as a long-time FreeBSD user and I'm not making any statements for Adobe.] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jona Joachim Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:58 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flashplugin Flash is a big pain IMO. The Flash question has been asked *a lot* of times on this list. The answer usually boils down to use www/nspluginwrapper or use linux-firefox. Both solutions are far from optimal. My solution is to simply ignore Flash content. It makes your online experience much more enjoyable. This is my personal choice of course. ... That's simply wrong. The Flash format byte-code is *not* proprietary. If you want to, you can go ahead and create your own Flash Player. The specifications for the format are freely available at: http://www.adobe.com/openscreenproject/developers/ This is encouraging. Is that info really enough to create a player such as Flash 9? I hope some folks will take a good shot at it. It is really beyond me. And Gnash (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/), which was started before the spec was available, will certainly benefit from this. And to address a previous message: if your bank requires you to use the Flash Player to make a transaction, then you will need to get in touch with your bank and not blame it on the non-existence of the Flash Player on your platform. A disabled person with a text-only browser or a screen-reader will certainly have the same issues. Companies who insist on their front pages and their functional things such as sales using flash or some other gimmick are inflicted with persons who are more interested in supplanting their egos than making the online product work for the company. But, if the web page has all its business in normal html and only uses flash and other such stuff as extra attraction and advertising then, no problem. A little eye candy on the side is not the issue. It is when the essentials are all blocked and made non-functional by the eye candy that the company and/or web designer is way off base. My offer stands: if anybody can provide the numbers above, I'm going to forward them to the right people and work things from my end. The numbers come out each month (BSD Stats), but unfortunately they really represent only a fraction of the actual number of BSD systems in use. They also do not distinguish between server and desktop use -- which is sometimes impossible anyway since many systems, such as the one I am typing on right now, are used for both. jerry Don't beat me up, I'm for the support - even if I'm not using FreeBSD as a desktop OS. Thanks and happy weekend - Tobias ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
Well... Here I am in a project of notebooks for schools machines with 13 120gb of disk turion 64... All of them running FreeBSD 7.0 it is about 7000 notebooks in the first year... With a total of 35000 notebooks in 3 years... and counting... may be a total of 100,000 notebooks in 5 years... Because of special taxes applied in the notebooks, the user must use FreeBSD or Linux. If the user formats the computer and install other non open source OS, the user must pay the taxes difference to the project... a value of about US$200. and will not be able to access the university data. Well.. about the flashplugin... it is a problem... for sure... they work with flashplugin 7 The wireless is a problem too, for that we choose intel or atheros chip... Tell the flashplugin team about... please Sergio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
on Sunday 08 June 2008Sunday 08 June 2008 sergio lenzi sergio lenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well... Here I am in a project of notebooks for schools machines with 13 120gb of disk turion 64... All of them running FreeBSD 7.0 it is about 7000 notebooks in the first year... With a total of 35000 notebooks in 3 years... and counting... may be a total of 100,000 notebooks in 5 years... Because of special taxes applied in the notebooks, the user must use FreeBSD or Linux. If the user formats the computer and install other non open source OS, the user must pay the taxes difference to the project... a value of about US$200. and will not be able to access the university data. Well.. about the flashplugin... it is a problem... for sure... they work with flashplugin 7 The wireless is a problem too, for that we choose intel or atheros chip... Tell the flashplugin team about... please Sergio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adobe, There are some numbers, 7,000 now and 30,000 in 3 yrs from one school 14,692 pcbsd 6,320 reported freebsd about almost 30,000 bsd desktops reported, im sure there are alot of people who do not report their stats, but id imagine we got alot more then 30,000 bsd desktop users. Theyd probably use an intern to do most of the work, and we all know interns are unpaid, they earn knowledge and experience. Throw their butts on coding a BSD Flashplayer version. I am sure if you throw in a few pizzas everyday, some trashy sluts, and a lot of caffiene they could work them around the clock and have something working in a couple months. Motivate them with food, girls and hope :) Sincerely, Derek A. Graham President D and M Computers, Inc. Exceeding your expectations everyday! http://www.dandmcomputers.co.cc/ (847) 305-1954 ext 101 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Saturday 07 June 2008 23:16:34 Jerry McAllister wrote: On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 12:03:50AM +0200, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:33:26 -0500 Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: use Firefox for Windows and use wine, then install the windows Flash 9 plugin People choosing FreeBSD shouldn't be forced to run windowish solution. The OS is not supported. That's a major problem in these modern times, although lots of fbsd people tend to say it is not. That's not everyday's live however. FreeBSD does not make the web. OK. So get busy anc contribute a flash9 plugin that works in FreeBSD. See if you can get the necessary information out of Adobe. jerry I don't know to what extent this might come in handy .. but in case anyone wants to pick up that gauntlet, you can find quite a lot to start with in here : http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/pdf/swf_file_format_spec_v9.pdf http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flv/ http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flv/pdf/video_file_format_spec_v9.pdf http://www.adobe.com/openscreenproject/ Blessings -- Gonzalo Nemmi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
for what it is worth, between 3 companies that I do consulting for, there are about 250 workstations that currently use, Windows ME, or Windows 2000.Flash and Microsoft Outlook remain the only 2 reasons we can not use PC-BSD. Wine is making some GREAT Progress, and very shortly if not already, Outlook will run in wine, and the lack of a current flash player will remain the only thing standing in the way of 250 more PC-BSD stations. Sam Fourman Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: use Firefox for Windows and use wine, then install the windows Flash 9 plugin That worked like a charm, but Adobe Reader 8.12 not only crashes the browser, but also wine and X. So now I have wine firefox which can handle Flash 9, but crashes on pdfs and linux-firefox which handles pdfs, but crashes on Flash. This seems somehow suboptimal. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 22:16:34 -0400 Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 12:03:50AM +0200, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:33:26 -0500 Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: use Firefox for Windows and use wine, then install the windows Flash 9 plugin People choosing FreeBSD shouldn't be forced to run windowish solution. The OS is not supported. That's a major problem in these modern times, although lots of fbsd people tend to say it is not. That's not everyday's live however. FreeBSD does not make the web. OK. So get busy anc contribute a flash9 plugin that works in FreeBSD. See if you can get the necessary information out of Adobe. As Tobias Hoelrich stated: That's simply wrong. The Flash format byte-code is *not* proprietary. If you want to, you can go ahead and create your own Flash Player. The specifications for the format are freely available at: http://www.adobe.com/openscreenproject/developers/ So, the infromation -is- there. -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ http://nagual.nl/ | SunOS 10u5 05/08 ++ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 03:01:36AM -0300, sergio lenzi wrote: Well... Here I am in a project of notebooks for schools machines with 13 120gb of disk turion 64... All of them running FreeBSD 7.0 it is about 7000 notebooks in the first year... With a total of 35000 notebooks in 3 years... and counting... may be a total of 100,000 notebooks in 5 years... Sounds like you should also install the BSD Stats utility on those machines so they will report their existence to the stats. It would significantly update the numbers. jerry Because of special taxes applied in the notebooks, the user must use FreeBSD or Linux. If the user formats the computer and install other non open source OS, the user must pay the taxes difference to the project... a value of about US$200. and will not be able to access the university data. Well.. about the flashplugin... it is a problem... for sure... they work with flashplugin 7 The wireless is a problem too, for that we choose intel or atheros chip... Tell the flashplugin team about... please Sergio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
Jerry McAllister wrote: On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 03:01:36AM -0300, sergio lenzi wrote: Well... Here I am in a project of notebooks for schools machines with 13 120gb of disk turion 64... All of them running FreeBSD 7.0 it is about 7000 notebooks in the first year... With a total of 35000 notebooks in 3 years... and counting... may be a total of 100,000 notebooks in 5 years... Sounds like you should also install the BSD Stats utility on those machines so they will report their existence to the stats. It would significantly update the numbers. jerry What is the project? An article about it would be great for FreeBSD news... Chris Because of special taxes applied in the notebooks, the user must use FreeBSD or Linux. If the user formats the computer and install other non open source OS, the user must pay the taxes difference to the project... a value of about US$200. and will not be able to access the university data. Well.. about the flashplugin... it is a problem... for sure... they work with flashplugin 7 The wireless is a problem too, for that we choose intel or atheros chip... Tell the flashplugin team about... please Sergio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
That worked like a charm, but Adobe Reader 8.12 not only crashes the browser, but also wine and X. So now I have wine firefox which can handle Flash 9, but crashes on pdfs and linux-firefox which handles pdfs, but crashes on Flash. What version of wine are you using? I believe they fixed that in wine recently Sam Fourman Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Sun, 8 Jun 2008, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: That worked like a charm, but Adobe Reader 8.12 not only crashes the browser, but also wine and X. So now I have wine firefox which can handle Flash 9, but crashes on pdfs and linux-firefox which handles pdfs, but crashes on Flash. What version of wine are you using? I believe they fixed that in wine recently The current port which is 1.0-rc3 according to the (port) Makefile. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Derek Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I have tried using swfdec-plugin to do flash, but it doesnt seem to work too well at least with firefox. One ... I prefer being able to select what flash loads automaticly and Two ... I like to be able to see the flash video but all it does is freeze I can't seem to get linux-flashplugin7 anymore due to the restricted status. Flashplugin9 locks up also, which we all know already. I have heard gnash doesnt do much better... Anyone have a solution that works halfway? Derek use Firefox for Windows and use wine, then install the windows Flash 9 plugin Sam Fourman Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
on Saturday 07 June 2008Saturday 07 June 2008 Sam Fourman Jr. Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Derek Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I have tried using swfdec-plugin to do flash, but it doesnt seem to work too well at least with firefox. One ... I prefer being able to select what flash loads automaticly and Two ... I like to be able to see the flash video but all it does is freeze I can't seem to get linux-flashplugin7 anymore due to the restricted status. Flashplugin9 locks up also, which we all know already. I have heard gnash doesnt do much better... Anyone have a solution that works halfway? Derek use Firefox for Windows and use wine, then install the windows Flash 9 plugin Sam Fourman Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] yeah i got that installed but its a pain to run wine ver of firefox for flash stuff and native firefox for normal usage. Do you recommend using wine firefox for normal use? Sincerely, Derek A. Graham President D and M Computers, Inc. Exceeding your expectations everyday! http://www.dandmcomputers.co.cc/ (847) 305-1954 ext 101 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Derek Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on Saturday 07 June 2008Saturday 07 June 2008 Sam Fourman Jr. Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Derek Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I have tried using swfdec-plugin to do flash, but it doesnt seem to work too well at least with firefox. One ... I prefer being able to select what flash loads automaticly and Two ... I like to be able to see the flash video but all it does is freeze I can't seem to get linux-flashplugin7 anymore due to the restricted status. Flashplugin9 locks up also, which we all know already. I have heard gnash doesnt do much better... Anyone have a solution that works halfway? Derek use Firefox for Windows and use wine, then install the windows Flash 9 plugin Sam Fourman Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] yeah i got that installed but its a pain to run wine ver of firefox for flash stuff and native firefox for normal usage. Do you recommend using wine firefox for normal use? I don't know, not really I have never been able to get the fonts to look right in wine firefox Sam Fourman Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
on Saturday 07 June 2008Saturday 07 June 2008 Sam Fourman Jr. Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Derek Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on Saturday 07 June 2008Saturday 07 June 2008 Sam Fourman Jr. Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Derek Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I have tried using swfdec-plugin to do flash, but it doesnt seem to work too well at least with firefox. One ... I prefer being able to select what flash loads automaticly and Two ... I like to be able to see the flash video but all it does is freeze I can't seem to get linux-flashplugin7 anymore due to the restricted status. Flashplugin9 locks up also, which we all know already. I have heard gnash doesnt do much better... Anyone have a solution that works halfway? Derek use Firefox for Windows and use wine, then install the windows Flash 9 plugin Sam Fourman Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] yeah i got that installed but its a pain to run wine ver of firefox for flash stuff and native firefox for normal usage. Do you recommend using wine firefox for normal use? I don't know, not really I have never been able to get the fonts to look right in wine firefox Sam Fourman Jr. I was just going to ask you about that, it all looks like crud with the fonts not right, anyone know how to setup the fonts for wine? Sincerely, Derek A. Graham President D and M Computers, Inc. Exceeding your expectations everyday! http://www.dandmcomputers.co.cc/ (847) 305-1954 ext 101 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:33:26 -0500 Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: use Firefox for Windows and use wine, then install the windows Flash 9 plugin People choosing FreeBSD shouldn't be forced to run windowish solution. The OS is not supported. That's a major problem in these modern times, although lots of fbsd people tend to say it is not. That's not everyday's live however. FreeBSD does not make the web. -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D ++ http://nagual.nl/ + SunOS sxde 01/08 ++ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
People choosing FreeBSD shouldn't be forced to run windowish solution. The OS is not supported. That's a major problem in these modern times, although lots of fbsd people tend to say it is not. That's not everyday's live however. FreeBSD does not make the web. I agree, I made a comment, last week when I noticed I could not even Pay my credit card bill at a major US bank,on FreeBSD because of the lack of flash9. To me I find it kind of a oxy moron to have to load a Windows Application in wine, in order to complete a secure financial transaction. I wish there was a way for the FreeBSD community to let Adobe know that we are out here. I know there are online petitions and I have signed them. I know the topic of flash 9 gets brought up every week on this list, or so it seems. but does anyone know if someone is working on getting Flash9 to work in FreeBSD? if there is someone working on it, maybe there should be a wiki page since Flash9 is such a popular port. I can say that I have saw a report from someone last week saying that the new linux 2.6x emulation in 8 -current still does not make the flash9 port work in a stable manner. Sam Fourman Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On 2008-06-07, Dick Hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:33:26 -0500 Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: use Firefox for Windows and use wine, then install the windows Flash 9 plugin People choosing FreeBSD shouldn't be forced to run windowish solution. The OS is not supported. That's a major problem in these modern times, although lots of fbsd people tend to say it is not. That's not everyday's live however. FreeBSD does not make the web. Flash is a big pain IMO. The Flash question has been asked *a lot* of times on this list. The answer usually boils down to use www/nspluginwrapper or use linux-firefox. Both solutions are far from optimal. My solution is to simply ignore Flash content. It makes your online experience much more enjoyable. This is my personal choice of course. I think it is rather reducing when you have to beg unkind vendors to eventually consider that you exist. I don't think proprietary binary formats have their place on the web. The WWW is an information exchange platform, why would you want to diffuse information around the globe when you know that a lot of people will not be able to decipher it? It's a bit arrogant I think. Jona -- Pond-erosa Puff wouldn't take no guff Water oughta be clean and free So he fought the fight and he set things right With his OpenBSD ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Saturday 07 June 2008, Derek Graham wrote: Hey all, I have tried using swfdec-plugin to do flash, but it doesnt seem to work too well at least with firefox. One ... I prefer being able to select what flash loads automaticly and Two ... I like to be able to see the flash video but all it does is freeze I can't seem to get linux-flashplugin7 anymore due to the restricted status. Flashplugin9 locks up also, which we all know already. I have heard gnash doesnt do much better... Anyone have a solution that works halfway? Derek Yep, I have to say it too, firefox for windows under wine is now my main firefox browser on freebsd, as the other solutions just don not work well enough, or just do not work ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 06:47:56 Derek Graham wrote: on Saturday 07 June 2008Saturday 07 June 2008 Sam Fourman Jr. Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Derek Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on Saturday 07 June 2008Saturday 07 June 2008 Sam Fourman Jr. Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Derek Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I have tried using swfdec-plugin to do flash, but it doesnt seem to work too well at least with firefox. One ... I prefer being able to select what flash loads automaticly and Two ... I like to be able to see the flash video but all it does is freeze I can't seem to get linux-flashplugin7 anymore due to the restricted status. Flashplugin9 locks up also, which we all know already. I have heard gnash doesnt do much better... Anyone have a solution that works halfway? Derek use Firefox for Windows and use wine, then install the windows Flash 9 plugin Sam Fourman Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] yeah i got that installed but its a pain to run wine ver of firefox for flash stuff and native firefox for normal usage. Do you recommend using wine firefox for normal use? I don't know, not really I have never been able to get the fonts to look right in wine firefox Sam Fourman Jr. I was just going to ask you about that, it all looks like crud with the fonts not right, anyone know how to setup the fonts for wine? Search for winetricks, it's a shell script that can download and install MS-Windows fonts(amoung other things) for you. Also PC-BSD has a PBI for installing MS-Windows fonts for wine, maybe check that out? Sincerely, Derek A. Graham -Alastair President D and M Computers, Inc. Exceeding your expectations everyday! http://www.dandmcomputers.co.cc/ (847) 305-1954 ext 101 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Flashplugin
[Disclaimer: I work for Adobe Systems. I have nothing to do with the Flash Player. I'm a grunt who works on other stuff. This is my personal opinion as a long-time FreeBSD user and I'm not making any statements for Adobe.] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jona Joachim Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:58 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flashplugin Flash is a big pain IMO. The Flash question has been asked *a lot* of times on this list. The answer usually boils down to use www/nspluginwrapper or use linux-firefox. Both solutions are far from optimal. My solution is to simply ignore Flash content. It makes your online experience much more enjoyable. This is my personal choice of course. I'm afraid that's the age-old question of demand. If there was enough demand out there, I'm sure that any software manufacturer would consider FreeBSD a platform that needs to be supported. Providing support for the Flash Player on FreeBSD is not a one-shot thing. You don't have some summer intern create a port of the current version of the player, release it and then be done with it. If a platform is officially supported it means dedication of a lot of resources: engineering and especially testing. Once a platform is adopted it needs to be rev'ed whenever the other platforms are updated, otherwise you end up again in a situation where a certain application that requires new Flash Player features does not work for you. This all means time and money. Adobe as any other public company has to justify its actions to its shareholders. If anybody scrutinizes the books and sees a substantial amount of engineering and QA resources being dedicated to a platform that has very little desktop market penetration and because of that some other important high-reach features were dropped, I'm sure that public company would have to answer some questions about it. Since the last discussion I actually contacted the Flash Player team and asked what it would take to get an official port for Flash Player on FreeBSD. I was asked to provide numbers that would indicate how many *desktop* FreeBSD systems are out there and how many of them are used on a *regular* basis. So, if anybody on this list can provide those answers, I'd be more than happy to do my part and relay the answers back to those people who can actually influence decisions in this area. Again, I'm not speaking for Adobe, I'm just offering to help as much as I can as a happy FreeBSD user (well, if it wasn't for http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=123735 on 8.0-CURRENT). I think it is rather reducing when you have to beg unkind vendors to eventually consider that you exist. I don't think proprietary binary formats have their place on the web. The WWW is an information exchange platform, why would you want to diffuse information around the globe when you know that a lot of people will not be able to decipher it? It's a bit arrogant I think. That's simply wrong. The Flash format byte-code is *not* proprietary. If you want to, you can go ahead and create your own Flash Player. The specifications for the format are freely available at: http://www.adobe.com/openscreenproject/developers/ And Gnash (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/), which was started before the spec was available, will certainly benefit from this. And to address a previous message: if your bank requires you to use the Flash Player to make a transaction, then you will need to get in touch with your bank and not blame it on the non-existence of the Flash Player on your platform. A disabled person with a text-only browser or a screen-reader will certainly have the same issues. My offer stands: if anybody can provide the numbers above, I'm going to forward them to the right people and work things from my end. Don't beat me up, I'm for the support - even if I'm not using FreeBSD as a desktop OS. Thanks and happy weekend - Tobias ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 12:03:50AM +0200, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:33:26 -0500 Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: use Firefox for Windows and use wine, then install the windows Flash 9 plugin People choosing FreeBSD shouldn't be forced to run windowish solution. The OS is not supported. That's a major problem in these modern times, although lots of fbsd people tend to say it is not. That's not everyday's live however. FreeBSD does not make the web. OK. So get busy anc contribute a flash9 plugin that works in FreeBSD. See if you can get the necessary information out of Adobe. jerry -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D ++ http://nagual.nl/ + SunOS sxde 01/08 ++ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
on Saturday 07 June 2008Saturday 07 June 2008 Alastair Hogge Alastair Hogge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 06:47:56 Derek Graham wrote: on Saturday 07 June 2008Saturday 07 June 2008 Sam Fourman Jr. Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Derek Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on Saturday 07 June 2008Saturday 07 June 2008 Sam Fourman Jr. Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Derek Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I have tried using swfdec-plugin to do flash, but it doesnt seem to work too well at least with firefox. One ... I prefer being able to select what flash loads automaticly and Two ... I like to be able to see the flash video but all it does is freeze I can't seem to get linux-flashplugin7 anymore due to the restricted status. Flashplugin9 locks up also, which we all know already. I have heard gnash doesnt do much better... Anyone have a solution that works halfway? Derek use Firefox for Windows and use wine, then install the windows Flash 9 plugin Sam Fourman Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] yeah i got that installed but its a pain to run wine ver of firefox for flash stuff and native firefox for normal usage. Do you recommend using wine firefox for normal use? I don't know, not really I have never been able to get the fonts to look right in wine firefox Sam Fourman Jr. I was just going to ask you about that, it all looks like crud with the fonts not right, anyone know how to setup the fonts for wine? Search for winetricks, it's a shell script that can download and install MS-Windows fonts(amoung other things) for you. Also PC-BSD has a PBI for installing MS-Windows fonts for wine, maybe check that out? Sincerely, Derek A. Graham -Alastair President D and M Computers, Inc. Exceeding your expectations everyday! http://www.dandmcomputers.co.cc/ (847) 305-1954 ext 101 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] can you install PBI's on FreeBSD? thought they were only for PC-BSD Sincerely, Derek A. Graham President D and M Computers, Inc. Exceeding your expectations everyday! http://www.dandmcomputers.co.cc/ (847) 305-1954 ext 101 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
on Saturday 07 June 2008Saturday 07 June 2008 Jona Joachim Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-06-07, Dick Hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:33:26 -0500 Sam Fourman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: use Firefox for Windows and use wine, then install the windows Flash 9 plugin People choosing FreeBSD shouldn't be forced to run windowish solution. The OS is not supported. That's a major problem in these modern times, although lots of fbsd people tend to say it is not. That's not everyday's live however. FreeBSD does not make the web. Flash is a big pain IMO. The Flash question has been asked *a lot* of times on this list. The answer usually boils down to use www/nspluginwrapper or use linux-firefox. Both solutions are far from optimal. My solution is to simply ignore Flash content. It makes your online experience much more enjoyable. This is my personal choice of course. I think it is rather reducing when you have to beg unkind vendors to eventually consider that you exist. I don't think proprietary binary formats have their place on the web. The WWW is an information exchange platform, why would you want to diffuse information around the globe when you know that a lot of people will not be able to decipher it? It's a bit arrogant I think. Jona Yeah I understand where you are going with that, but at the same time every interface is flash, java, or silverlight. Fortunately my current banking choice greendot doesnt use flash, but there are alot of web apps that require it to work and require using the latest version. There is where we need flash. We need these companies to realise that if majority of the websites on the planet use it, then they need to support every operating system with the means of accessing the web via a current maintained gui browser. Java, Flash, Silverlight and all applications that are used heavily in todays websites need to be made standardly ready and available to Windows, Macintosh, Unix(including linux and freebsd and all 'nix os) I do not want to have to use wine to get to a important secure login for a bank or similar site when I am running something better then windows My $0.02 Sincerely, Derek A. Graham President D and M Computers, Inc. Exceeding your expectations everyday! http://www.dandmcomputers.co.cc/ (847) 305-1954 ext 101 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
on Saturday 07 June 2008Saturday 07 June 2008 Tobias Hoellrich Tobias Hoellrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Disclaimer: I work for Adobe Systems. I have nothing to do with the Flash Player. I'm a grunt who works on other stuff. This is my personal opinion as a long-time FreeBSD user and I'm not making any statements for Adobe.] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jona Joachim Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:58 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flashplugin Flash is a big pain IMO. The Flash question has been asked *a lot* of times on this list. The answer usually boils down to use www/nspluginwrapper or use linux-firefox. Both solutions are far from optimal. My solution is to simply ignore Flash content. It makes your online experience much more enjoyable. This is my personal choice of course. I'm afraid that's the age-old question of demand. If there was enough demand out there, I'm sure that any software manufacturer would consider FreeBSD a platform that needs to be supported. Providing support for the Flash Player on FreeBSD is not a one-shot thing. You don't have some summer intern create a port of the current version of the player, release it and then be done with it. If a platform is officially supported it means dedication of a lot of resources: engineering and especially testing. Once a platform is adopted it needs to be rev'ed whenever the other platforms are updated, otherwise you end up again in a situation where a certain application that requires new Flash Player features does not work for you. This all means time and money. Adobe as any other public company has to justify its actions to its shareholders. If anybody scrutinizes the books and sees a substantial amount of engineering and QA resources being dedicated to a platform that has very little desktop market penetration and because of that some other important high-reach features were dropped, I'm sure that public company would have to answer some questions about it. Since the last discussion I actually contacted the Flash Player team and asked what it would take to get an official port for Flash Player on FreeBSD. I was asked to provide numbers that would indicate how many *desktop* FreeBSD systems are out there and how many of them are used on a *regular* basis. So, if anybody on this list can provide those answers, I'd be more than happy to do my part and relay the answers back to those people who can actually influence decisions in this area. Again, I'm not speaking for Adobe, I'm just offering to help as much as I can as a happy FreeBSD user (well, if it wasn't for http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=123735 on 8.0-CURRENT). I think it is rather reducing when you have to beg unkind vendors to eventually consider that you exist. I don't think proprietary binary formats have their place on the web. The WWW is an information exchange platform, why would you want to diffuse information around the globe when you know that a lot of people will not be able to decipher it? It's a bit arrogant I think. That's simply wrong. The Flash format byte-code is *not* proprietary. If you want to, you can go ahead and create your own Flash Player. The specifications for the format are freely available at: http://www.adobe.com/openscreenproject/developers/ And Gnash (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/), which was started before the spec was available, will certainly benefit from this. And to address a previous message: if your bank requires you to use the Flash Player to make a transaction, then you will need to get in touch with your bank and not blame it on the non-existence of the Flash Player on your platform. A disabled person with a text-only browser or a screen-reader will certainly have the same issues. My offer stands: if anybody can provide the numbers above, I'm going to forward them to the right people and work things from my end. Don't beat me up, I'm for the support - even if I'm not using FreeBSD as a desktop OS. Thanks and happy weekend - Tobias ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD is my one and only desktop, I run a small business and do not tend to like to switch back and forth from os's mainly cause i use sql-ledger and it is my main server to keep up with my bookkeeping. My wifes pc was using pc-bsd but lack of flash made her goto kubuntu Sincerely, Derek A. Graham President D and M Computers, Inc. Exceeding your expectations everyday! http://www.dandmcomputers.co.cc/ (847) 305-1954 ext 101 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail
Re: Flashplugin
Well, there is a site that does BSD usage statistics (they recently did a post on this list). I recommend people use their script to raise the stats. http://www.bsdstats.org/ Camilo Bono Vince Malum Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 17:09:08 -0700 From: Tobias Hoellrich Subject: RE: Flashplugin To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My offer stands: if anybody can provide the numbers above, I'm going to forward them to the right people and work things from my end. Don't beat me up, I'm for the support - even if I'm not using FreeBSD as a desktop OS. Thanks and happy weekend - Tobias ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin
Tobias Hoellrich wrote: Since the last discussion I actually contacted the Flash Player team and asked what it would take to get an official port for Flash Player on FreeBSD. I was asked to provide numbers that would indicate how many *desktop* FreeBSD systems are out there and how many of them are used on a *regular* basis. So, if anybody on this list can provide those answers, I'd be more than happy to do my part and relay the answers back to those people who can actually influence decisions in this area. Again, I'm not speaking for Adobe, I'm just offering to help as much as I can as a happy FreeBSD user (well, if it wasn't for http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=123735 on 8.0-CURRENT). Well, if you consider PC-BSD as FreeBSD -- which it is for programmatic purposes, then at least 15,000 users are prepared to voluntarily self-report themselves as such. PC-BSD by it's nature implies desktop usage. Note that PC-BSD invites users to register with BSD Stats at install time. Other BSD variants require the user to have heard about and then gone and installed the reporting software, so the uptake is a lower proportion of the user base. Regular usage is a hard one. BSD stats requires a monthly report from each server, so the figures they have don't include any significant amount of historical cruft. Reports are also generated when the system reboots, but as far as I know, the BSD Stats project hasn't analysed its data to extract any information about how often people reboot their systems. http://www.bsdstats.org/ Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Flashplugin
Tobias Hoellrich wrote: Since the last discussion I actually contacted the Flash Player team and asked what it would take to get an official port for Flash Player on FreeBSD. I was asked to provide numbers that would indicate how many *desktop* FreeBSD systems are out there and how many of them are used on a *regular* basis. So, if anybody on this list can provide those answers, I'd be more than happy to do my part and relay the answers back to those people who can actually influence decisions in this area. Again, I'm not speaking for Adobe, I'm just offering to help as much as I can as a happy FreeBSD user (well, if it wasn't for http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=123735 on 8.0-CURRENT). Well, if you consider PC-BSD as FreeBSD -- which it is for programmatic purposes, then at least 15,000 users are prepared to voluntarily self-report themselves as such. PC-BSD by it's nature implies desktop usage. Note that PC-BSD invites users to register with BSD Stats at install time. Other BSD variants require the user to have heard about and then gone and installed the reporting software, so the uptake is a lower proportion of the user base. Regular usage is a hard one. BSD stats requires a monthly report from each server, so the figures they have don't include any significant amount of historical cruft. Reports are also generated when the system reboots, but as far as I know, the BSD Stats project hasn't analysed its data to extract any information about how often people reboot their systems. http://www.bsdstats.org/ Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Flashplugin
Tobias Hoellrich wrote: Since the last discussion I actually contacted the Flash Player team and asked what it would take to get an official port for Flash Player on FreeBSD. I was asked to provide numbers that would indicate how many *desktop* FreeBSD systems are out there and how many of them are used on a *regular* basis. So, if anybody on this list can provide those answers, I'd be more than happy to do my part and relay the answers back to those people who can actually influence decisions in this area. Again, I'm not speaking for Adobe, I'm just offering to help as much as I can as a happy FreeBSD user (well, if it wasn't for http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=123735 on 8.0-CURRENT). Well, if you consider PC-BSD as FreeBSD -- which it is for programmatic purposes, then at least 15,000 users are prepared to voluntarily self-report themselves as such. PC-BSD by it's nature implies desktop usage. Note that PC-BSD invites users to register with BSD Stats at install time. Other BSD variants require the user to have heard about and then gone and installed the reporting software, so the uptake is a lower proportion of the user base. Regular usage is a hard one. BSD stats requires a monthly report from each server, so the figures they have don't include any significant amount of historical cruft. Reports are also generated when the system reboots, but as far as I know, the BSD Stats project hasn't analysed its data to extract any information about how often people reboot their systems. http://www.bsdstats.org/ Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Flashplugin problem after xorg 7.2 upgrade
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:30:58 +0300 Ozan Enginoglu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, here are my computer properties: evo n800v compaq laptop with 1.8 ghz and 512 ram. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ nspluginwrapper -a -v -i Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/lib/firefox/plugins Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/lib/firefox/plugins Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin Install plugin /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so ... already installed system-wide, skipping Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux Install plugin /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped) as a user i get the same core dumped error. Now i can play any flash in firefox but inspide of that i got pid 4909 (npconfig), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) error. I changed the depth from 16 to 32 but i still got these errors. As I wrote (scroll down this thread), if you have three files installed in ~/.mozilla/plugins, and if all plugins work, I guess you don't have to worry. And when i open 3 web sites with flash plugins the cpu usage is approx. (and stable) 45%. Is this normal? It is very hard to say, depends on what sites you opened, etc. Seems ok to me. I'm aware of cpu issues in version 7 in full screen mode /only/ and of those related to hibernation, all fixed in version 9). You can of course try www/linux-flashplugin-9.0r31_1 instead (first uninstall version 7). I personally wasn't very happy with it. Ver. 7 has always been working flawlessly for me. If you are not sure and want to pursue the matter, you may start a new thread about flashplugin cpu usage. You can also consider asking on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin problem after xorg 7.2 upgrade
Ozan Enginoglu wrote: After i upgrated to xorg 7.2 i had firefox core-dump problem. It used to crast when i enter a site with a lot of flash plugin. And it uses a lot of CPU power! I removed flash plugin libs from /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins and plugins directory of firefox. Now i can surf without any core-dump error. when i try to reinstall flashplugin, firefox cant succedd to run them. What should i do? Any suggestions? I had a similar problem and it turned out to be a X color depth setting issue. YMMV but it should be quick to check. When I get onto my laptop I'll follow up with the color depth that cured the problem for me. -- Chris -- __o All I was doing was trying to get home from work. _`\,_ -Rosa Parks ___(*)/_(*)___ Christopher Sean Hiltonchris | at | vindaloo.com pgp key: D0957A2D/f5 30 0a e1 55 76 9b 1f 47 0b 07 e9 75 0e 14 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin problem after xorg 7.2 upgrade
On Sat, 2007-06-02 at 02:00 +0300, Ozan Enginoglu wrote: After i upgrated to xorg 7.2 i had firefox core-dump problem. It used to crast when i enter a site with a lot of flash plugin. And it uses a lot of CPU power! I removed flash plugin libs from /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins and plugins directory of firefox. Now i can surf without any core-dump error. when i try to reinstall flashplugin, firefox cant succedd to run them. What should i do? Any suggestions? Here's the screen section from my xorg.conf: Section Screen Identifier Laptop_Panel Device ATI Radeon Mobility MonitorHP nc6230 LCD display DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes 1400x1050 EndSubSection EndSection The DefaultDepth 24 is the line that fixed things for me. I think that DefaultDepth 32 may also work. -- Chris -- __o All I was doing was trying to get home from work. _`\,_ -Rosa Parks ___(*)/_(*)___ Christopher Sean Hiltonchris | at | vindaloo.com pgp key: D0957A2D/f5 30 0a e1 55 76 9b 1f 47 0b 07 e9 75 0e 14 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin problem after xorg 7.2 upgrade
On Sat, 2007-06-02 at 05:36 +0200, Nikola Lecic wrote: On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 04:35:33 +0200 Nikola Lecic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 04:13:59 +0300 Ozan Enginoglu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] And is there any way to play flash files without using nspluginwrapper? Only in linux versions (linux-opera, linux-firefox...). There is no way to use linux flashplugin in native browsers without a wrapper. Actually, yes, depends on what you need. You can use graphics/libflash with www/flashplugin-mozilla (supports flash files up to version 4) and graphics/gnash (GNU flash player, which is not actually a plugin; AFAIK still can't handle YouTube, but it will in the near future). At this moment, if you want to cover the most demanding flash sites, you have no choice but to use linux-flashplugin (with a wrapper), as described in the mail I've just sent. Nikola Lečić Ok, here are my computer properties: evo n800v compaq laptop with 1.8 ghz and 512 ram. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ nspluginwrapper -a -v -i Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/lib/firefox/plugins Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/lib/firefox/plugins Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin Install plugin /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so ... already installed system-wide, skipping Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux Install plugin /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped) as a user i get the same core dumped error. Now i can play any flash in firefox but inspide of that i got pid 4909 (npconfig), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) error. I changed the depth from 16 to 32 but i still got these errors. And when i open 3 web sites with flash plugins the cpu usage is approx. (and stable) 45%. Is this normal? See ya! -- Ozan Enginoğlu Mechanical Engineer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin problem after xorg 7.2 upgrade
Hello, On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 02:00:44 +0300 Ozan Enginoglu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After i upgrated to xorg 7.2 i had firefox core-dump problem. It used to crast when i enter a site with a lot of flash plugin. And it uses a lot of CPU power! I removed flash plugin libs from /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins and plugins directory of firefox. Now i can surf without any core-dump error. when i try to reinstall flashplugin, firefox cant succedd to run them. What should i do? Any suggestions? What flashplugin and wrapper do you use? If you use linux-flashplugin-7.0r69 with nspluginwrapper (you probably do, with native Firefox), you might need the following after Xorg upgrade: %ln -s ~/.mozilla/plugins ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins That works for me. Before that you can of course consider to re-create nspluginwrapper's files, like this: %nspluginwrapper -v -a -r (remove old wrapper files) %nspluginwrapper -v -a -i (install all available plugins) Then check with about:plugins if all of them are recognised by Firefox. Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin problem after xorg 7.2 upgrade
Thanks for the quick reply, On Sat, 2007-06-02 at 02:01 +0200, Nikola Lecic wrote: Hello, On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 02:00:44 +0300 Ozan Enginoglu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After i upgrated to xorg 7.2 i had firefox core-dump problem. It used to crast when i enter a site with a lot of flash plugin. And it uses a lot of CPU power! I removed flash plugin libs from /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins and plugins directory of firefox. Now i can surf without any core-dump error. when i try to reinstall flashplugin, firefox cant succedd to run them. What should i do? Any suggestions? What flashplugin and wrapper do you use? If you use linux-flashplugin-7.0r69 with nspluginwrapper (you probably do, with native Firefox), you might need the following after Xorg upgrade: %ln -s ~/.mozilla/plugins ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins That works for me. Before that you can of course consider to re-create nspluginwrapper's files, like this: %nspluginwrapper -v -a -r (remove old wrapper files) %nspluginwrapper -v -a -i (install all available plugins) Then check with about:plugins if all of them are recognised by Firefox. Nikola Lečić As a matter of fact, i used to play flash files without nspluginwrapper. Of course that was before upgrading. Now i installed it and did as you wrote above. I got another core dump error. Here is the output: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper# nspluginwrapper -v -a -i Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/lib/firefox/plugins Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/lib/firefox/plugins Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin Install plugin /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so into /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux Install plugin /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped) My firefox runs very normal right now but npwiever.bin uses a lot of cpu. Is it normal? And is there any way to play flash files without using nspluginwrapper? Thanks -- Ozan Enginoğlu Mechanical Engineer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin problem after xorg 7.2 upgrade
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 04:13:59 +0300 Ozan Enginoglu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the quick reply, Sure! On Sat, 2007-06-02 at 02:01 +0200, Nikola Lecic wrote: Hello, On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 02:00:44 +0300 Ozan Enginoglu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After i upgrated to xorg 7.2 i had firefox core-dump problem. It used to crast when i enter a site with a lot of flash plugin. And it uses a lot of CPU power! I removed flash plugin libs from /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins and plugins directory of firefox. Now i can surf without any core-dump error. when i try to reinstall flashplugin, firefox cant succedd to run them. What should i do? Any suggestions? What flashplugin and wrapper do you use? If you use linux-flashplugin-7.0r69 with nspluginwrapper (you probably do, with native Firefox), you might need the following after Xorg upgrade: %ln -s ~/.mozilla/plugins ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins That works for me. Before that you can of course consider to re-create nspluginwrapper's files, like this: %nspluginwrapper -v -a -r (remove old wrapper files) %nspluginwrapper -v -a -i (install all available plugins) Then check with about:plugins if all of them are recognised by Firefox. Nikola Lečić As a matter of fact, i used to play flash files without nspluginwrapper. Of course that was before upgrading. Now i installed it and did as you wrote above. You can't use linux plugins with native FreeBSD apps without some sort of wrapper. I got another core dump error. Here is the output: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper# nspluginwrapper -v -a -i Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/lib/firefox/plugins Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/lib/firefox/plugins Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin Install plugin /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so into /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux Install plugin /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped) No, nspluginwrapper runs on a per-user basis, you should run it as an ordinary user. Step-by-step: (1) Make sure you didn't do any handiwork in /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins. Just make sure Firefox is aware of installed plugins (use about:plugins), add a symlink if necessary, but don't move or delete anything. If not sure, reinstall plugin ports. (2) You must have the following packages installed: firefox-2.0.0.3_1,1 nspluginwrapper-0.9.91.4_1 linux-flashplugin-7.0r69 Make sure you _don't_ have linuxpluginwrapper installed as it can collide with nspluginwrapper. Also, uninstall all other flash players to make situation easier. (3) Then, run 'nspluginwrapper -a -i -r' to clean old files (if any) and 'nspluginwrapper -a -i -v' as the user who uses Firefox. Then, list what is installed. On my box: %nspluginwrapper -l /home/nikola/.mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so Original plugin: /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so Wrapper version string: 0.9.91.4 /home/nikola/.mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.nphelix.so Original plugin: /usr/X11R6/lib/linux-mozilla/plugins/nphelix.so Wrapper version string: 0.9.91.4 /home/nikola/.mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.nppdf.so Original plugin: /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so Wrapper version string: 0.9.91.4 Of course, no seg fault should happen. If it does, that might be another problem, not related to flash player. I also have to add a symlink in ~/.mozilla after Xorg upgrade, as I desribed in my previous mail. Actually, I have two of them, like this: %ll ~/.mozilla/firefox total 18 drwx-- 10 nikola nyx 1024 Jun 2 04:11 jazuhv63.default lrwxr-xr-x 1 nikola nyx 16 May 27 03:41 pluginreg.dat - ../pluginreg.dat lrwxr-xr-x 1 nikola nyx 10 May 27 03:41 plugins - ../plugins -rw-r--r-- 1 nikola nyx 94 Feb 23 20:11 profiles.ini (4) Restart Firefox. In about:plugins page this entry should appear: Shockwave Flash Nom de fichier : npwrapper.libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 7.0 r69 (5) Open YouTube and enjoy. My firefox runs very normal right now but npwiever.bin uses a lot of cpu. Is it normal? How much? On my box 25%, and works smoothly. Maybe someone else can confirm. And is there any way to play flash files without using
Re: Flashplugin problem after xorg 7.2 upgrade
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 04:35:33 +0200 Nikola Lecic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 04:13:59 +0300 Ozan Enginoglu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] And is there any way to play flash files without using nspluginwrapper? Only in linux versions (linux-opera, linux-firefox...). There is no way to use linux flashplugin in native browsers without a wrapper. Actually, yes, depends on what you need. You can use graphics/libflash with www/flashplugin-mozilla (supports flash files up to version 4) and graphics/gnash (GNU flash player, which is not actually a plugin; AFAIK still can't handle YouTube, but it will in the near future). At this moment, if you want to cover the most demanding flash sites, you have no choice but to use linux-flashplugin (with a wrapper), as described in the mail I've just sent. Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flashplugin problem after xorg 7.2 upgrade
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 04:35:33 +0200 Nikola Lecic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 04:13:59 +0300 Ozan Enginoglu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] And is there any way to play flash files without using nspluginwrapper? Only in linux versions (linux-opera, linux-firefox...). There is no way to use linux flashplugin in native browsers without a wrapper. Actually, yes, depends on what you need. You can use graphics/libflash with www/flashplugin-mozilla (supports flash files up to version 4) and graphics/gnash (GNU flash player, which is not actually a plugin; AFAIK still can't handle YouTube, but it will in the near future). At this moment, if you want to cover the most demanding flash sites, you have no choice but to use linux-flashplugin (with a wrapper), as described in the mail I've just sent. Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flashplugin on amd64
Andriy Babiy a écrit : Hi all. Simple question: = # make install clean === linuxpluginwrapper-20051113_7 is only for i386, and you are running amd64.. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper. = Is there another way to get it working on amd64? I checked the plugin for Konqueror, but it still needs the pluginwrapper, which is distributed in a binary form for i386 platform. Thanks to everyone in advance! Andriy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Adobe does not provide any flash plugin for AMD64 arch ! :-( That's the problem... When running Linux, you have to install a i386 browser in your AMD64 Linux then install the flash plugin for this browser. Regards Guillaume -- Guillaume E-mail: silencer_at_free-4ever_dot_net Blog: http://guillaume.free-4ever.net Site: http://www.free-4ever.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flashplugin on amd64
--- Andriy Babiy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Simple question: = # make install clean === linuxpluginwrapper-20051113_7 is only for i386, and you are running amd64.. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper. = Is there another way to get it working on amd64? I checked the plugin for Konqueror, but it still needs the pluginwrapper, which is distributed in a binary form for i386 platform. Thanks to everyone in advance! Andriy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Andriy, From what I remember Flash doesn't run on the 64 bit version of FreeBSD. Regards, Paulette McGee Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FlashPlugin for Mozilla FireFox
В сообщении от Среда 21 февраля 2007 11:50 Warren Liddell написал(a): Im running FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE an dhave been trying to get flash working in FireFox to no avail. I have the plugin installed but it made no difference upon restarting the browser. What maybe wrong or may i be missing for it to work ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are many things you should edit in your configs to make it work. Try searching through this conference, it is very popular question here. I have a direct howto on this problem, but it is in Russian. -- С уважением, Бачило Дмитрий Руководитель отдела системной интеграции ООО Компания Солинк -- With Best Regards, Bachilo Dmitry Head of systems integration dept Solink Company Ltd. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flashplugin not working
On Thursday 02 March 2006 23:30, Warren Liddell wrote: Im using Freebsd6.1-pre I have the flash pluginwrapper isntalled and not sure if i need anything else, to get flash working in Mozilla .. as presently it isnt and im slowly getting sick of accessing all the sites i need to and not being able to view them all due to this. Any assistance appreciated. Chandon Handler wrote this quick how-to the other day and posted to the list - Anyone looking for a quick solution, this is what worked for me on FreeBSD 6.0 Release. I have /usr/ports extracted from the 6.0 Release ISO CD. I also have a directory which I named /home/newports extracted from the latest portsnap download: portsnap -p /home/newports fetch portsnap -p /home/newports extract followd by portsnap -p /home/newports update The following steps gave me firefox 1.0.7 with a working flash 6 plugin: cd /usr/ports/www/firefox make install clean cd /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin6 make install clean cd /home/newports/www/linuxpluginwrapper make install clean cp -i /usr/local/share/examples/linuxpluginwrapper/libmap.conf-FreeBSD6 /etc/libmap.conf Finally edit /usr/X11R6/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh and add /usr/X11R6/lib/linux-flashplugin6 to MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH (near the end of the script) (colon-separated path components) Now run firefox as usual. That was it for me. Hope this or some variation of this helps anyone who needs a working setup quickly. Various linux compatibility packages got installed in the process as dependencies (list below) but none gave me any trouble. linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.99.902_3 XFree86 libraries, Linux binary linux-expat-1.95.5_3 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing library linux-flashplugin-6.0r79_3 The official Macromedia Flash Player for Linux Mozilla and linux-flashplugin-7.0r61 The official Macromedia Flash Player for Linux Mozilla and linux-fontconfig-2.1_3 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig linux-glib2-2.2.1_3 Version 2.X Linux/i386 binary port of GLib linux_base-8-8.0_6 Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (only for i386) linuxpluginwrapper-20051113 A wrapper allowing use of linux-plugins with native applica Unfortunately the build of firefox 1.5 in /home/newports breaks for me, so I cannot get firefox 1.5 and flash working together in this manner yet. Also, I installed linux-flashplugin7 the same way, however, it crashes firefox 1.0.7 immediately at start, so I removed the plugin path for flash 7 from MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH. Firefox 1.0.7 + Flash 6 will keep me running until the new versions stabilize. -- I followed it and got it working with Firefox 1.5, FreeBSD 5.3. It won't do Flash7 stuff of course. I tried adapting the above for Flash7 and it failed. I didn't try very hard though. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dave ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
