[Freedos-user] OpenGEM 7 RC3 is now ready - and this should be it
Hi all The final(?) Release Candidate of OpenGEM 7 is ready and available for testing. To try it just download the zip file from the repository and unpack to the C: drive in your relevant machine while preserving directory structure. Type GEM to execute the GEM.BAT file. The OpenGEM repository is here: https://github.com/shanecoughlan/OpenGEM By the way, this RC saw some big changes. OpenGEM Release 7 RC 3 - 9th July 2017 - Updated README.TXT and GUIDE.TXT - Updated GEM.BAT file (notices) - Updated SETUP.BAT file (notices and pause feature) - Updated CuteMouse driver from 1.9 to 2.1b4 - Changed SHUTDOWN 1.2 abandonware from http://vetusware.com/download/SHUTDOWN%201.2/ to SHUTDOWN 1.1 and REBOOT 1.0 from https://www.plop.at/en/dostools.html If I get no feedback in the next week then I will consider the release ready and go “gold." Regards Shane -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM is getting an update after 11 years
Hello FreeDOS community Jim inspired me to take a look at the OpenGEM GUI again. I moved the OpenGEM 6 code and SDK to GitHub. OpenGEM 7 is being prepared. The main focus is stability and simplicity. There is also a much simpler SDK. Want to take a look? RC1, RC2 and the SDK are available here: https://github.com/shanecoughlan/OpenGEM Regards Shane -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Debug bug
I think I see what's going on. The purpose of echo reint.scr/ is to add a blank line to the reint.scr file. This works in the MS-DOS COMMAND.COM shell, but not in the FreeDOS COMMAND.COM shell nor in 4DOS. A (somewhat) more standard way to do this would be to instead use echo. reint.scr This works in the MS-DOS COMMAND.COM shell, the FreeDOS COMMAND.COM shell, and 4DOS. Normally I'd want to see FreeDOS be more compatible, but in this case even Windows 7 (both in .BAT and .CMD files) works with echo. reint.scr and gives a similar error when faced with echo reint.scr/ -- so it looks like in this case even Microsoft gave up on the nonstandard syntax! I have no complaints about FreeCOM scripts acting like Windows 7 scripts. Yes, you will have to change every instance of that to make it run under FreeCOM. You could probably find a way to automate it. Once REINT.SCR is made, I'm pretty sure it will run under FreeDOS DEBUG as well as MS-DOS DEBUG. - - Shane Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 06:59:18 -0400 From: donr...@gmail.com To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Debug bug The wayback site link is dead. I will try Christopher's suggestion of adding the filename to the script - but like I said before many,many vintage debug scripts are written without the filename. It would be a real hassle to have to debug every debug script to be FreeDOS friendly. On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Christopher Evans aaxiomfin...@gmail.com wrote: Can't write to path with out filename specified. -- -Chris Evans Computer Consultant Digitalatoll Solutions (Tawhaki Software) Cell. : 916-612-6904 Office: 916-382-9395 Affordable web hosting, search engine, and secure email provider http://www.digitalatoll.com/ http://www.digitalatoll.net/ http://securemail.digiatoll.net/ http://www.tawhakisoft.com/ Domain for sale : http://norcalhost.com/ On May 27, 2015 11:05 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm was using version 1.25 and using a batch file to reinit my Lotus 1-2-3 install disk. I booted into DOS 5.0 and am using it now. This is the command that causes error: echo reinit.scr/ On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com wrote: What is wrong with debug? - I keep getting cannot redirect error I thought this bug was fixed. What do you mean? Which version? What are you trying to do, redirect a script? http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=debug http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/debug/DEBUG125.zip -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Kernel Feature Request (RE: Online Bible Revisited)
Don: It's not the FreeCOM (COMMAND.COM), it's the kernel (KERNEL.SYS). No, I don't have a copy of the kernel that makes the Online Bible work, but I'm putting in a request to add the fix to the next kernel. KERNEL FEATURE REQUEST: Online Bible expects one of the old CP/M-derived functions, that uses file control blocks (FCB) as opposed to file handles, to fail in a particular way when passed a filename containing a path, because the function was written back before subdirectories were implemented. I haven't exhaustively tested anything, but I did load a copy of Online Bible up, and can verify that it works under MS-DOS (Windows 98 Second Edition) and EDR-DOS (7.01.07 from the Ultimate Boot CD) but not under FreeDOS kernel 2041. In 2007, Eric Auer identified the function as interrupt 21 function 29, Enter Filename into FCB (FcbParseFname in FreeDOS.) In the link below, Eric shows what FreeDOS does differently from MS-DOS, and provides a kernel patch to the FcbParseFname function in fcbfns.c, and finally provides a modified kernel to a user of Online Bible. http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/message/8335127/ It looks like it's checking for a backslash to see if the filename contains paths, then causing it to exit in the expected way. Could we please similarly patch any FCB functions that require it so that they behave as expected (for a function written before subdirectories were implemented) when presented with a filename containing paths? I believe there are fifteen FCB functions in DOS, but I don't know how many of them (other than function 29) directly deal with filenames. - - Shane Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:00:17 -0400 From: donr...@gmail.com To: Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Freedos-user] Online Bible Revisited I have searched high low for a fix for the Online Bible incompatibility with FreeDOS. I read several threads referring to a patch, I have downloaded all available FreeCom versions that I can find (found one that fixed every other program I had problems with), but cannot find a solution for the Online Bible. In 2007, Frank Finley posted that it had been solved, (see link below) but this was after I gave up on FreeDOS 1.0. Now I am back with FreeDOS for as long as it exists, and would desperately love to have this program back on my Desktop. Would someone kindly point me in the right direction? http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.freedos.general/month=20070501/page=1 -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Fwd: lfn tools for dos - including FAT21, 16, 32, etc
Rugxulo: LFN-EN was compiled with Microsoft Visual C++ version 1.51. According to the documentation, it uses a copyrighted library to handle virtual memory, but this can be commented out. LFN-EN as written works under MS-DOS (Windows 98 DOS), but it does not work with FAT32 volumes under FreeDOS. Under FreeDOS, it handles FAT12 and FAT16 volumes OK, but it misidentifies FAT32 volumes as FAT12 and gives the error message Ambiguous DPB!(50) and is not able to read the FAT32 volume. I have a quick and dirty patch, but in my humble opinion what's really needed is a better check for whether the DOS is FAT-32 compatible and whether volume locking is supported. When the program was written in 1999, you could safely say that only MS-DOS had FAT32 support, and that MS-DOS has volume locking; so that's all LFN-EN checks for. LFN-EN only considers these cases: Windows 95B/C and Windows 98: FAT32 compatible, supports volume locking. Windows 95A: Supports volume locking, no FAT-32. MS-DOS pre-Windows 95, or a non-Microsoft DOS: No volume locking, no FAT32. Since about 2004 the picture has become more complex. The current build of FreeDOS is available with and without FAT32 support. Many of the DOSses that were around in 1999 now have at least one branch that supports FAT32. There are new flavors of DOS on the scene too -- DOS for embedded systems, and DOS from Russia! Does FreeDOS support volume locking as well? If I'm reading this page right: http://www.mail-archive.com/freedos-kernel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00271.html FreeDOS supports volume locking -- the bugs were being worked out in 2004, so FreeDOS 1.0 (2006) or later should support volume locking and FAT32. What needs to be done now is that someone needs to change the decision logic about whether FAT32 is available and whether volume locking is supported. Simply checking a couple of magic MS-DOS version numbers and deeming everything else to be PC-DOS won't cut it today. My patch takes utilities that work under MS-DOS (Windows 98 DOS) and fail under FreeDOS, and turns them into utilities that work under FreeDOS and fail under MS-DOS. I made copies of all the utilities that start with F for FreeDOS, so LCHK.EXE becomes FLCHK.EXE. Then, I caused these copies to check for the OEM byte of FD (FreeDOS) instead of FF (MS-DOS) by using a hex editor to change one instance of 80 7E F0 FF to 80 7E F0 FD. So when I'm running FreeDOS I type FLDIR for a directory; when I'm under Windows 98 DOS I type LDIR for a directory. If you're modifying the source and re-compiling instead of using a hex editor on the executable, you'd be modifying lfn.cpp to check whether ver.oem is FD instead of FF. This patch is dangerous, because FreeDOS is available with and without FAT32 support. Since I'm running the latest kernel with FAT32 support, it works on my computer. Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:20:04 -0500 From: rugx...@gmail.com To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Fwd: lfn tools for dos - including FAT21, 16, 32, etc Hi, On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 6:44 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: Jim Michaels recommends the following long file name tool project: https://sourceforge.net/projects/lfntools/?source=directory Maybe other FreeDOS users already have experiences with that project and can share them here? Thanks :-) It's quite old. The newest file is from 2006! Most other stuff is from 2003. Which isn't very surprising since it's basically Odi's LFN Tools, which I'm sure some (if not most) of us are at least superficially aware of. http://lfntools.sourceforge.net/ Thanks go to: Ortwin Glück for the original development and maintenance of the LFN Tools http://www.odi.ch/prog/lfn/ The tools were once useful to me when I was still using Windows 95/98. Since 2003 I have been using Linux exclusively. So I no longer need them nor have I a system to compile the source code. Please do not contact me about LFN tools. I will not even bother to answer. (Ugh. Sigh.) I'm not even sure what compiler was used for these old (IIRC, 16-bit?) tools (ancient MSVC 1.52? Borland 5.x?), so I don't know how you would even recompile them (assuming you wanted to fix or improve them). I'm not sure how well they work either. I think I tried once and failed due to some bug. AFAIK, they basically do direct disk access and thus don't need a separate LFN TSR. -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or mobile push notifications. Take corrective actions from your mobile device. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How to install FA511 PCMCIA Network Card
You need PCMCIA socket services and card services. These load before the network card drivers. Most computers used SystemSoft CardSoft 3.1 for that, but your Toshiba Tecra 8000 uses a Toshiba ToPIC-95B PCMCIA controller which isn't supported by that version of CardSoft. There is a Toshiba Card Manager 3.0 at http://driverzone.com/drivers/toshiba/control/ as pcmcia30.zip. It appears to be a rebranded PhoenixCard Manager, so if that version doesn't work you may be able to find a later version of PhoenixCard Manager. One that will work for sure (but it isn't free) is CardWare 7.00 from APSoft at http://www.tssc.de A free 14-day trial is available. - - Shane Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:39:37 +0200 From: christian.imho...@gmail.com To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] How to install FA511 PCMCIA Network Card Hi, 2014-07-19 16:41 GMT+02:00 Louis Santillan lpsan...@gmail.com: What do your config.sys and autoexec.bat look like? You'll need to add your drivers somewhere in that mix. I have no idea what my or the driver for PCMCIA looks like. I have searched the Internet for a PCMCIA driver for DOS and Toshiba notebooks but I didn't find one. This is my AUTOEXEC.BAT: --- @echo off SET LANG=DE SET MTCPCFG=C:\FDOS\MTCP.CFG SET WATTCP.CFG=C:\FDOS SET PATH=%dosdir%\BIN SET NLSPATH=%dosdir%\NLS SET HELPPATH=%dosdir%\HELP SET TEMP=%dosdir%\TEMP SET TMP=%TEMP% SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 SET DIRCMD=/P /OGN /4 SET COPYCMD=/-Y if %config%==4 goto end SHSUCDX /QQ /D3 LH SHSUCDHD /QQ /F:FDBOOTCD.ISO LH FDAPM APMDOS IF %config%==2 LH SHARE LH DOSLFN REM NLSFUNC C:\FDOS\BIN\COUNTRY.SYS REM DISPLAY CON=(EGA),858,2) REM MODE CON CP PREP=((858) C:\FDOS\CPI\EGA.CPX) REM KEYB US,858,C:\FDOS\bin\keyboard.sys REM CHCP 858 REM LH PCNTPK INT=0x60 REM DHCP MOUSE DEVLOAD /H /Q %dosdir%\BIN\UIDE.SYS /H /D:FDCD0001 /S5 SHSUCDX /QQ /~ /D:?SHSU-CDR,D /D:?SHSU-CDH,D /D:?FDCD0001,D /D:?FDCD0002,D /D:?FDCD0003,D MEM /C /N IF NOT %config%==4 SHSUCDX /D GOTO END :END SET AUTOFILE=%0 SET CFGFILE=C:\FDCONFIG.SYS LH KEYB GR,,keyboard.sys alias reboot=fdapm warmboot alias reset=fdisk /reboot alias halt=fdapm poweroff alias shutdown=fdapm poweroff alias cfg=edit %cfgfile% alias auto=edit %0 echo Done processing startup files %cfgfile% and %0 echo Type HELP to get support on commands and navigation echo. echo Welcome to the FreeDOS 1.1 operating system (http://www.freedos.org) --- And this my FDCONFIG.SYS --- !COUNTRY=001,858,C:\FDOS\BIN\COUNTRY.SYS !SET DOSDIR=C:\FDOS !LASTDRIVE=Z !BUFFERS=20 !FILES=40 !MENUCOLOR=7,0 MENUDEFAULT=1,5 MENU 1 - Load FreeDOS with JEMMEX, no EMS (most UMBs), max RAM free MENU 2 - Load FreeDOS with EMM386 (Expanded Memory) and SHARE loaded MENU 3 - Load FreeDOS including XMGR XMS-memory driver MENU 4 - Load FreeDOS without drivers 123?DOS=HIGH 12?DOS=UMB 12?DOSDATA=UMB 1?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMMEX.EXE NOEMS X=TEST I=TEST NOVME NOINVLPG 2?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\HIMEMX.EXE 2?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMM386.EXE X=TEST I=TEST I=B000-B7FF NOVME NOINVLPG 3?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\XMGR.SYS 3?SHELL=C:\FDOS\bin\4dos.com C:\FDOS\bin /E:1024 /P:C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT 4?SHELL=C:\FDOS\BIN\COMMAND.COM C:\FDOS\BIN /E:1024 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT 12?SHELLHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\COMMAND.COM C:\FDOS\BIN /E:1024 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT --- Best regards Christian On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 2:41 AM, Christian Imhorst christian.imho...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have installed FreeDos 1.1 on my Toshiba Tecra 8000. Now I try to get my NETGEAR FA511 32-bit PCMCIA LAN card working. I have copied FA511.COM and NET.CFG from the NETGEAR CD-ROM with drivers to C:\NWCLIENT together with some files who are needed to start networking. So I run LSL.COM from this directory and than I start FA511.COM. The latter one ends with an error message: FA511-DOS-104: No NIC found in the machine. I think my PCMCIA slot is not recognized by FreeDOS. What do I need to get my PCMCIA card working? Hardware is ok because it works with Linux. Best regards Christian -- Want fast and easy access to all the code in your enterprise? Index and search up to 200,000 lines of code with a free copy of Black Duck Code Sight - the same software that powers the world's largest code search on Ohloh, the Black Duck Open Hub! Try it now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bds ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Want fast and easy access to all the code in your enterprise? Index and search up to 200,000 lines of code with a free copy of Black Duck Code Sight - the same software that powers the world's largest code search
Re: [Freedos-user] Packet drivers...
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 01:45:15 -0700 From: plu...@robinson-west.com To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Freedos-user] Packet drivers... The free crynwr packet driver collection doesn't cover the Netgear FA311 10/100 baseTX network card. Have you tried these packet drivers? If your card has the National Semiconductor's DP83815 MacPhyter chipset: http://www.ti.com/product/dp83815 http://www.ti.com/litv/zip/sllc425 The readme for C83815.com shows a special release of a Crynwr packet driver. If your card has an RTL8139 chip: http://www.georgpotthast.de/sioux/packet.htm This page contains RTSPKT for the Realtek RTL8139, which works on my HP Pavilion. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Minor nit: Norton Utilities slow with FDAPM APMDOS; FDAPM APMOFF fixes.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:45:47 +0200 From: e.a...@jpberlin.de To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Minor nit: Norton Utilities slow with FDAPM APMDOS; FDAPM APMOFF fixes. Hi Shane, I read your suggestions about hunting that FreeCOM bug where it stops running programs, sounds good :-) Did you find a clue yet? Yes! Please see my next post. Norton Text Search (ts.exe) prints about four characters a second when FDAPM APMDOS is running. Setting FDAPM APMOFF fixes this. This may also affect other Norton Utilities. ... The workaround is to use FDAPM ADV:REG instead of FDAPM APMDOS which keeps most of the saving but ignores int 28 :-). Please let me know if it also helps with your Norton Text Search / TS problem. Thank you! FDAPM ADV:REG works. _ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?OCID=0809TL-HM-- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Possible KITTEN-B bug: HTMLHELP 1.05 hangs when NLSPATH set wrong.
I notice that there's an HTMLHELP 1.06 out now. Apologies in advance if this is old news. Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:45:47 +0200 From: e.a...@jpberlin.de To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Minor nit: Norton Utilities slow with FDAPM APMDOS; FDAPM APMOFF fixes. Hi Shane, I read your suggestions about hunting that FreeCOM bug where it stops running programs, sounds good :-) Did you find a clue yet? Yes. I haven't found the cause of the FreeCOM bug, but I've found something on the way there. I was causing FreeCOM to crash on my P3 by running HELP.EXE after a normal boot of FreeDOS. I followed Blair Campbell's advice and set my debugger to stop on every DOS call to INT 21 (instruction CD 21.) When I ran HELP under MS-DOS, around the 12th DOS call HELP would check the attributes of a file; then the next DOS call would open the file. The file was C:\FDOS\BIN\..\help\en\index.html after that, the program would continue to run normally. When I ran HELP under FreeDOS, those two instructions would repeat over and over, trying to check the attributes of and open a different file each time. The files it tried to open were: C:\FDOS\NLS \EN \htmlhelp C:\FDOS\NLS htmlhelp.EN HELPPATH=C:\FDOS\HELP\EN \htmlhelp HELPPATH=C:\FDOS\HELP\htmlhelp.EN TEMP=C:\FDOS\temp\EN \htmlhelp TEMP=C:\FDOS\temp\htmlhelp.EN TMP=C:\FDOS\temp\EN \htmlhelp TMP=C:\FDOS\temp\HTMLHELP.en and so on. I stopped here, so I don't know what happened when it got to the end of the environment. Anyway, that behavior looks very similar to this old bug in CHOICE 4.2 http://www.freedos.org/bugzilla/cgi-bin/show_bug.cgi?id=1666 The program breaks when NLSPATH is set to a nonexistent directory. I checked and, sure enough, I did have an NLSPATH set to a nonexistent directory when running FreeDOS. After I got rid of this variable, HELP.EXE worked. Furthermore, I could crash HELP under MS-DOS by setting an NLSPATH variable that points to a nonexistent directory. After that, I started looking at the source code. CHOICE 4.2 uses KITTEN-B. CHOICE 4.3 uses a modified KITTEN-B that doesn't have the bug. There's a KITTEN-C now. FreeDOS 1.0 comes with CHOICE 4.4, so I assume this is fixed in CHOICE. HTMLHELP 1.05 uses a KITTEN that is almost identical to KITTEN-B. I suspect that's the problem. (At the time I wrote this, I could not find source code to HTMLHELP 1.06 to check.) _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009-- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] I got EDWIN from a Garbo mirror and it works when I'm CDed into its directory.
I picked up a copy of EDWIN from this Garbo mirror ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/garbo/pc/editor/ (2 weeks or more behind, but that shouldn't matter for an old DOS program.) It works on my quirkiest PC, even when booting off the original FreeDOS 1.0 CD as a live CD. One thing I will note is that I was CDed into the directory that I unzipped the files to. CD \ MKDIR EDWIN CD EDWIN \ARC\PKUNZIP \WINDOWS\DESKTOP\EDWIN15C From there, I could run EDWIN.COM just fine. Now, at that point, I would get the message about not being able to find the overlay file if I were in another directory. CD \WINDOWS\DESKTOP \EDWIN\EDWIN Overlay file not found but once I used EDWINST to tell EDWIN where its home directory is, I could run EDWIN from any directory. CD \EDWIN EDWINST (enter, enter ... give the home directory as C:\EDWIN) CD \WINDOWS\DESKTOP \EDWIN\EDWIN LM -- does EDWIN work when you're CDed into the directory? If not, does it work after replacing EMM386 with JEMM386? Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 01:15:36 +0200 From: aitor...@gmail.com To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] getting applications working Hello, 2009/6/6 LM lme...@yahoo.com: I had to run the install CD twice to get FreeDOS installed on the hard drive. The first time, I tried to pick an image on bootup and the system locked up. Second time, I left it as default. I guess I'm not very familiar with the programs that installed with FreeDOS (other than the basic DOS stuff), because I got on and wasn't sure where to get started. I have a large cabinet full of legacy hardware and software, so I decided perhaps I should go back to the programs on DOS I'm most familiar with just to get going. My experience was that about half of the ones i tried on FreeDOS worked. to pick an image on bootup, what do you mean? WordPerfect 6.0 appears to work fine. Was very happy to see that. My favorite DOS programming editor (ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/editor/edwin15c.zip) fails and won't run. Has anyone been able to get edwin working on FreeDOS? A pitty that garbo seems to be unreachable from here right now, if someone knows of an alternative download site... Aitor -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009-- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Minor nit: Norton Utilities slow with FDAPM APMDOS; FDAPM APMOFF fixes.
Norton Text Search (ts.exe) prints about four characters a second when FDAPM APMDOS is running. Setting FDAPM APMOFF fixes this. This may also affect other Norton Utilities. I suspect it's because FDAPM hooks an interrupt for power saving use that Norton was already using for something. In my previous post that (the non-bug reports) that referred to Norton Utilities, I was not running FDAPM. _ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290-- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Could the MDADEBUG TSR be used to find this FreeCOM bug?
I've posted before about the four machines I'm running FreeDOS on -- One is exceptionally well behaved with FreeDOS 1.0 and another is exceptionally quirky. In particular, I've been experiencing the FreeCOM bug where the command prompt returns without executing the command. Nobody knows for sure when this happens, but it seems to happen in response to a general protection fault that goes unreported, as 4DOS reports a general protection fault under the same conditions. I just discovered MDADEBUG, available from Marc Alexander's page http://www.onr.com/user/mda It's a debugger as a TSR. I've got a machine where the bug can be triggered on a fairly regular basis. I've been able to trigger the bug, then press ctrl/alt/F12 and get the debugger. Now that I've got the bug and the debugger, what should I look for? _ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290-- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Two non-bug reports.
To all the developers: Thank you for Kernel 2038! I'm writing this because I came across two cases where programs didn't act the same under FreeDOS as they do under other versions of DOS, but in fact FreeDOS was running fine and there was no bug at all. First non-bug: LFN-EN utilities don't work with my FAT32 partition under FreeDOS. After examining the source code, it turns out that the logic was coded in 1999 when the only DOS that could handle FAT32 was MS-DOS. When run under FreeDOS, the utilities assume no FAT32 support, so they misidentify the partition as FAT12. For test purposes, I made a version that accepted the vendor byte FD (FreeDOS) instead of FF (MS-DOS) and it worked, but anything used in production would have to use a different method to determine whether FAT32 is supported (FreeDOS comes both ways, and there are several DOSses today that support FAT32.) There is similar logic that determines which versions of DOS require volume locking (MS-DOS 7 or later.) Fortunately the LFN-EN utilities are open source, so someone could fix this. Second non-bug: Norton Disk Doctor only complains about illegal file names when running under FreeDOS. It turns out that I had a file called MORE$, and my FreeDOS is set to run the MORESYS utility which turns MORE$ into a reserved device name (and therefore an illegal file name if MORE$ exists on the disk) so no bug. If the MORESYS driver is not loaded, Norton Disk Doctor acts identically under FreeDOS and MS-DOS. (Note: I was not running FDAPM.) _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009-- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Virtual PC 2007 (3 of 4)
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DEVICE=JEMM386.EXE X=CC00-CFFF NOINVLPG
MEM /D
Conventional Memory Detail:
Segment TotalName Type
--- -
1,024(1K)interrupt vector table
0040768(1K)BIOS data area
0070 7,920(8K) IOsystem data
NUL system device driver
CON system device driver
PRN system device driver
AUX system device driver
LPT1system device driver
LPT2system device driver
LPT3system device driver
COM1system device driver
COM2system device driver
COM3system device driver
COM4system device driver
CLOCK$ system device driver
A: - C: system device driver
025f 20,896 (20K) DOS system data
0261192(0K)FILES FILES=40 (3 in this block)
026e 80(0K)JEMFBHLPdevice driver
JEMFBHP$ installed DEVICE=JEMFBHLP
0274 2,688(3K)HIMEM device driver
XMS0 installed DEVICE=HIMEM
031d128(0K)JEMM386 device driver
EMM0 installed DEVICE=JEMM386
0326 2,304(2K)XCDROM device driver
FDCD0001 installed DEVICE=XCDROM
03b7 8,576(8K)CDRCACHEdevice driver
CDRCACH0 installed DEVICE=CDRCACHE
05d0528(1K)MORESYS device driver
MORE$ installed DEVICE=MORESYS
05f2 1,904(2K)FILES FILES=40 (32 in this block)
066a 2,288(2K)LASTDRV LASTDRIVE=Z
06fa 2,048(2K)STACKS data area
077a128(0K)free
0783 3,008(3K) COMMAND program
0840304(0K)free
0854912(1K) FDAPM program
088e 9,232(9K) SHARE program
0ad0 6,032(6K) SHSUCDX program
0c4a352(0K)free
0c61 3,312(3K) MOUSE program
0d31368(0K)free
0d49 13,504 (13K) DOSLFNprogram
1096 4,096(4K) PERUSEprogram
1197624(1K) MEM environment
11bf 55,008 (54K) MEM program
1f2e525,568 (513K)free
9f7f 1,024(1K) COMMAND environment
Upper Memory is not accessible
Memory TypeTotal Used Free
Conventional 639K71K 568K
Upper 0K 0K 0K
Reserved 385K 385K 0K
Extended (XMS)129,984K12,480K 117,504K
Total memory 131,008K12,936K 118,072K
Total under 1 MB 639K71K 568K
Total Expanded (EMS) 32M (33,947,648 bytes)
Free Expanded (EMS)32M (33,554,432 bytes)
Memory accessible using Int 15h 0K (0 bytes)
Largest executable program size 567K (580,592 bytes)
FreeDOS is resident in the high memory area.
MEM /E
EMS driver version 4.0
EMS page frame d000
Total EMS memory 33947648 bytes
Free EMS memory 33554432 bytes
Total handles255
Free handles 254
Handle PagesSize Name
-- --
0 24393216 SYSTEM
Memory TypeTotal Used Free
Conventional 639K71K 568K
Upper 0K 0K 0K
Reserved 385K 385K 0K
Extended (XMS)129,984K12,480K 117,504K
Total memory 131,008K12,936K 118,072K
Total under 1 MB 639K71K 568K
Total Expanded (EMS) 32M (33,947,648 bytes)
Free Expanded (EMS)32M (33,554,432 bytes)
Largest executable program size 567K (580,592 bytes)
FreeDOS is resident in the high memory area.
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Virtual PC 2007 (4 of 4)
== DEVICE=JEMM386.EXE NOINVLPG HARD CRASH Several lines of Bad or missing Command Interpreter: ÉÉÉ Enter the full shell command line: with no carriage returns or line feeds, ending with Bad or missing Command Interpreter followed by Jemm386: exception 0D occured at CS:EIP=C800:11E5, ERRC= SS:ESP=D0DE:0004 EBP=00A0 EFL=00033293 CR0=8011 CR2= EAX=0E0D EBX=07FF0007 ECX= EDX=00D1 ESI=00040FA0 EDI=00090FA0 DS=0070 ES=B800 FS=00D1 GS=F000 [CS:IP]=9C 2E FF 1E D7 11 CF 66 Press ESc to abort program Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:57:59 +0100 From: e.a...@jpberlin.de To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on Virtual PC 2007 Hi Robert, Shane, Ben Armstrong (a Program manager on the core virtualization team at Microsoft) recommends the following for MS-DOS on http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2004/10/21/246136.aspx Note that this is from 2004 so it cannot be about Virtual PC 2007 ;-) device=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE RAM I=B100-B7FF I=C600-C7FF Re-using part of mono text buffer (B100-B7FF) and part of a typical VGA BIOS area (C600-C7FF) sounds a bit desperate if you ask me... Modern EMM386 such as the JEMM386 from www.japheth.de that you recommended also auto-detect the size of the VGA BIOS anyway :-). I=CC00-CFFF I=E600-EFFF FRAME=d000 This is odd - Shane Baggs suggested quite different options on 11 March: I'm running it on Virtual PC 2007 under Windows XP on a laptop with a Pentium M. It crashed at first, but it's now solid as a rock with this line in FDCONFIG.SYS: DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMM386\JEMM386.EXE NOEMS X=CC00-CFFF NOINVLPG ... NOEMS is optional. With NOEMS, no page frame is allocated (it could start at D000 or later, up to E000). This gives you 64 kB more UMB but old EMS 3.2 software will be unhappy. EMS 4.0 compatible software stays happy. NOINVLPG was written by Japheth specifically for [Virtual PC] Note that classic FreeDOS EMM386 is outdated but probably did not use INVLPG anyway so you need no specifically-made- for-Virtual-PC option to fix VPC compatibility either ;-). The X=CC00-CFFF was arrived at through testing by trial and error. So Shane suggests to EXCLUDE CC00-CFFF while Ben suggested to INCLUDE CC00-CFFF (and D000-DFFF and E600-EFFF...) That gives me the idea that Ben wants to say that you should exclude E000-E5FF instead of CC00-CFFF for Virtual PC of the year 2004. Can somebody who has Virtual PC 2007 have a look at memory contents and about the effects of... X=cc00-cfff versus X=e000-e5ff ...on the stability of FreeDOS with EMM386 / JEMM386? Thanks! I have the following IDEA: Maybe the X=cc00-cfff, while NOT using the NOEMS option, had an influence on where the EMS page frame was, pushing it at the bad area - and pushing UMB area away from it. Because EMS is less often used than UMB, you still get fewer crashes if the bad area is only in use while EMS is accessed... You can use MEM or Quarterdeck MFT / Manifest to see where EMS page frame and UMBs are :-). Shane, could you post some relevant parts of MEM /D and MEM /E output with and without X=cc00-cfff combined with with/without NOEMS option along with information which of those 2 * 2 config possibilities are stable and which are not? Thank you... :-). Eric -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedo _ Quick access to Windows Live and your favorite MSN content with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701A-- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Thank you! FreeDOS running stable on three machines, reproducible bugs on fourth.
Mateusz -- Thank you for the repository. I've downloaded some updates, and am running JEMM386 now. Eric -- Great to meet you, and thank you for all the good work on FreeDOS! I tried 4DOS, and found that most of the trouble I'd been having was due to memory management not having been customized for the machine. Once I got the memory management customized, I could change back to FreeCOM and it was stable. The whole process was a lot like setting up Quarterdeck's extended memory manager -- you have to do a lot of rebooting and crashing to get it right, but once it's right it's not only stable but there's LOTS of memory available! I've got FreeDOS on four machines now. Three of them are good and stable, one has some reproducible problems. It worked right out of the box on an Intel D845WN, P4/1.70 GHz, 1GB RAM, 40 GB HDD. I'm running it on Virtual PC 2007 under Windows XP on a laptop with a Pentium M. It crashed at first, but it's now solid as a rock with this line in FDCONFIG.SYS: DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMM386\JEMM386.EXE NOEMS X=CC00-CFFF NOINVLPG The NOEMS is optional. NOINVLPG was written by Japheth specifically for this emulator. The X=CC00-CFFF was arrived at through testing by trial and error. I haven't had a lot of time to test the Compaq Armada with the Pentium 2, but I'm going to assume it's stable until it does something to prove otherwise. It works with no upper memory. I'm experimenting with making a small section of upper memory available, but haven't had time to follow through on this. Then there's the Pentium 3 I mentioned in my last message. It still doesn't work right. I have removed all LOADHIGH/DEVICEHIGH/SHELLHIGH, and set JEMM386 to X=A000-, so everything I'm doing now should be happening in conventional memory only! I can reliably generate a crash by running HELP.EXE. Most of the time JEMM386 catches it with a general protection fault message like this: Jemm386: exception 0D occured at CS:EIP=218F:2C42, ERRC= SS:ESP=3AE3:0D6A EBP=0D6E EFL=00033207 CR0=8011 CR2= EAX=0004 EBX=0002 ECX=0004 EDX=3392 ESI= EDI=0008 DS=215F ES=617D FS=217F GS=115E [CS:IP]=F3 A5 73 01 A4 8E DA 8B Press ESC to abort program The segment of code at [CS:IP] is indeed from HELP.EXE (after decompressing it) and AFAIK it only occurs in one place. It's a REP MOVSW instruction for moving words. If you look at the source SI and the destination DI, the source is set to which means it's about to overflow the segment. When FreeCOM is loaded and I crash HELP.EXE, it causes the behavior you mentioned where internal commands work and external ones like EDIT just return a command prompt. Another thing that happens is that if I try internal commands that refer to files it tells me it can't access the files, even though DIR shows the files to exist. COPY CON FILE.TXT does this. I'll be glad to do further testing on this. Please let me know if there's any kind of tool I can run on my computer that would help to determine what is causing this trouble. = I mentioned a very unimportant bug involving the F3 key. The F3 key is supposed to get the last line, if available. In most kinds of DOS, when you press the F3 key at the very first commant prompt, nothing happens because there is no last line available. In 4DOS it beeps because there is no last line available. In FreeCOM it prints garbage characters, and it does this on all four computers. This bug isn't a big deal because it goes away as soon as you enter the first command line, but it does indicate that something is wrong. = Again, please let me know if there's any further testing I can do now that I can reliably create a particular type of trouble in conventional memory on one system. - - Shane From: shan...@hotmail.com To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Command prompt returns without commands executing Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:40:01 -0700 I'm a computer technician, and am interested in FreeDOS because I often perform low-level operations on large disks (copying data, fixing file structures.) So far I'm impressed with FreeDOS -- it seems to have all the important features of the commercial DOSses, and the fact that it's currently being developed is a plus. Unfortunately, I've got the same problem on two completely different machines, and I can't find any reference to it except for a post on alt.os.free-dos last year that was never answered. I'm using the FreeDOS 1.0 distribution CD for developers. When I push F3 immediately after booting, garbage characters display. When FreeDOS has been running for a while, the command prompt will return without the command executing. Rebooting will fix this for a while. I tried eliminating all use of high memory and UMB. The problem persists. Not loading a memory manager can make the problem take longer to occur. I can't
[Freedos-user] Command prompt returns without commands executing
I'm a computer technician, and am interested in FreeDOS because I often perform low-level operations on large disks (copying data, fixing file structures.) So far I'm impressed with FreeDOS -- it seems to have all the important features of the commercial DOSses, and the fact that it's currently being developed is a plus. Unfortunately, I've got the same problem on two completely different machines, and I can't find any reference to it except for a post on alt.os.free-dos last year that was never answered. I'm using the FreeDOS 1.0 distribution CD for developers. When I push F3 immediately after booting, garbage characters display. When FreeDOS has been running for a while, the command prompt will return without the command executing. Rebooting will fix this for a while. I tried eliminating all use of high memory and UMB. The problem persists. Not loading a memory manager can make the problem take longer to occur. I can't isolate the problem to a particular line in FDCONFIG.SYS or FDAUTO.BAT. I tried using Rugxulo's floppy distribution (disk 1) which is based on a later kernel -- no difference. The first computer is a tower with an Intel SE440BX2 mainboard, P3/550, 256 MB RAM, and an 80GB drive with a 40GB FAT32 partition. The second computer is a Compaq Armada 3500 notebook, P2/366, 128 MB RAM, 6GB HDD with FAT32. Both computers run Windows 98SE just fine. The disks were originally formatted with Windows 98 SE. They now boot to MetaKern. The tower passes MEMTEST86. There's not a lot on the internet about this, but I can't be the only one this has happened to! Any help would be appreciated. - - Shane _ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme-- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 stalled...
someone wrote: I would like to see programs written to work with GEM directly. Updating FDPKG to work through GEM would be really neat. GEM is beautifully simple. I don't know about turbovision etcetera, but how hard would it be to build the installer on top of opengem? There is a scripting language for GEM called GDScript. This may allow things to be quickly created for the desktop without creating full applications. http://www.geocities.com/heinz_rath/ Shane - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS
Hi Marti Marti van Lin wrote: Do we really need another GUI? I think not. OpenGEM is just fine, but that's only my humble worthless opinion :-p Well, I think choice won't hurt :) The issue is whether the 'WinDOS' code might have a distribution problem. After that it becomes a more fuzzy question of personal taste. Shane - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS
Jim Hall wrote: Hold on a sec. I was never able to get your GUI to run, so I did not know about the Microsoft logo. Why was that ever put on your program's boot screen to begin with? Now I'm starting to wonder about what's going on. What did I mirror to ibiblio? Please tell me more about how you started the WinDOS program. I need to feel comfortable that this isn't some derivative of the Windows code leak a few years ago. I've removed WinDOS from ibiblio in the meantime. Oh dear. Jim, I think you have done exactly the right thing. Until the code is clarified it's important to be cautious. Oscar (the author/distributor), please don't be offended. It is important to clarify the status of the code and project to make sure that there is no problem in legally distributing it with or for FreeDOS. Shane - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos OpenGEM, batch files and application icons
Eric Auer wrote: Good morning Shane :-) Morning. BAT opens as text by default on purpose, as it's very easy for people to double-click BAT files and start applications that might break the GEM desktop session. Hmmm make it harder for BAT to break the session then? Why are normal COM / EXE less problematic here? OpenGEM uses lots of BAT files. If someone went and double-clicked one of those BAT files they could freeze their system, as GEM would load twice etc. Yes, I believe we have icons for applications. Generally EXE display with a generic executable icon. So this is why icons for DOS apps are a problem? Making an icon seems to be easy, but connecting it to a non-deskwork app seems to be the problem? EXE looks like EXE to GEM. I cannot tell the different between different applications, just file types. Of course, you can use the GEM settings.app to play with how an individual application is featured, creating a specific icon for that. Shane - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos OpenGEM, batch files and application icons
Christian Simonyi wrote: Probably my fault, but I did not find users guide on your site (except the faq). It would be nice to have one in the \DOC directory after installation. I'm really sorry. We don't have enough documentation right now. Would it be possible (is there anyone who have time to do this) to take a User Guide of a previous version of GEM as 'base' and rewrite it to be up-to date (I did not even find an earlier doc). I think the main problem is time. For me, I'm working about 10 hours per day in my job. I just don't have enough time to get things done. For instance, OpenGEM 7 is ready for release...just about. But I don't have time to double-check everything, fix any last bugs and release it. :( Shane - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Clarifications.
Hi Jack Jack wrote: I am not a lawyer, and I have no wish to be one. Anybody is free to use the source files for the UDMA/UDVD/XMGR drivers any way they wish. I hope THAT is clear-enough for you all. I really appreciate that you are making your development available for everyone. It's appreciated. I know you have your differences with various other developers. I'm glad you're not letting that get in the way of sharing useful technology. I have one minor suggestion. If you are releasing the source code of the UDMA/UDVD/XMGR drivers for any use whatsoever, could you put a small notice in the source files just stating that they are in the public domain (or Modified BSD or GPL)? Best regards Shane - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] oZone - test release
Florian Xaver wrote: now a small binary-version is vaiable too. Hi Flo This is Shane from OpenGEM :) I'm very interested in oZone. Can you tell me more about the technical details? How does it run, what limitations and advantages does it have? Shane - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Cleaning up the ibiblio archive
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Hall wrote: Hi. I'd like to take a moment to start cleaning up the ibiblio archive. Er...hope you're not chopping out the OpenGEM stuff... Shane :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBRTzVbdGa7CzA5hXyAQISlQP8CBmIDU2WQefvBog5a2aSIz71JWcOPy1X msREclCCjpiFeds76u9/2K4oKHNaXv68ATKRjBKXXqeQqpIl7IVunMelL0Hl9ojU E+RbO0BeGj/jYeXfQ5kCsu8nSjyzxICWih3LF5AHGWLAhUMEWq9Vf9GAkefE3o1C IySQjcY0BQs= =PgTn -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] a free basic compiler
Eric Auer wrote: Hi, FreeBASIC seems to be a nice QuickBASIC alternative... If there are still BASIC users, I would like to get some comments about whether FreeBASIC is as nice as it sounds :-). The only real note I have is that it does have differences from QuickBASIC. * Default (DEF###) type of not explicitly declared variables * INTEGER's size * Function calling * Arrays not declared * Variables with same names as keywords * Alignament/Padding of TYPE fields * Fixed-len strings Regards Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 (UK) +353862262570 (Ire) w: www.opendawn.com --- OpenPGP: http://www.opendawn.com/shane/publickey.asc - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Wrote an article about upcoming FreeDOS 1.0...
Eric Auer wrote: maybe not the best article, but please rate it as good, so that it will be on the front site ;-)) (also if you don't speak German) http://www.readers-edition.de/neu I want to write a new article, when FreeDOS 1.0 is out ;-) Hi Florian, the URL of your article is: http://www.readers-edition.de/2006/07/27/noch-2-tage-bis-zur-veroeffentlichung-von-freedos-10 I'm really curious to see how FreeDOS does once it's out as a 1.0. Now, I have some rather exciting news: it looks like I'll be a conference in Taipei at the end of September. If it's possible to have a list of the Taiwanese tech firms that use or used FreeDOS I can perhaps visit them and get them to (a) upgrade and (b) perhaps mention it more. Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 (UK) +353862262570 (Ire) w: www.opendawn.com --- OpenPGP: http://www.opendawn.com/shane/publickey.asc - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM 6 is coming (get a testing copy right now!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Boys and girls I'm very glad to announce OpenGEM 6 is (finally) about to be released. As you know OpenGEM is intended to provide a great GUI file manager for FreeDOS. Over the years we've made some real advances in usability and stability. John Elliott of the FreeGEM community has introduced a lot of really great code. His desktop has already brought new life to GEM and has been highly successful in OpenGEM 5. John has continued coding and OpenGEM 6 sees a great new advance: we now have support for the DOS international code page. This will greatly simplify any attempts to create international versions of OpenGEM. John Hupp has contributed a great deal of time and energy in the testing and deployment of new printing support for OpenGEM 6. We now support HP Deskjet+, Deskjet 560C, and Deskjet 612C printers. Other HP Deskjets might also work. You'll notice the new printer support when you open the GEM Output application. You'll also notice that we support postscript printing out-of-the-box. OpenGEM 6 is intended to provide a really great GUI for FreeDOS 1.0. This means we're looking at a long future for this particular release. It's therefore essential that OpenGEM 6 can be patched and updated easily. There is a new automatic install and update system to ensure this is possible. While OpenGEM 6 is opening it will look for either INSTALL.ZIP or UPDATE.ZIP files in the C:\ root. If it detects one of these files it will offer to update or install the system accordingly. This new framework will allow for the easy installation not only of system updates but also GEM applications. It is currently being documented for the OpenGEM website. Talking of the website...there is a new OpenGEM website coming. It will be at http://gem.opendawn.com. It's going to be simple, clear and will be created in XHTML. OpenGEM 6 will be released on the 14th of July. Please help make sure everything works by downloading and testing a copy of the system from http://www.opendawn.com/opengem6.zip. This download is around 2MB in size. The reason for the increase in size? Full support for different sound, video and printer drivers, different desk accessories and a system recovery option in case OpenGEM stops working. If you download the test version of OpenGEM 6 just drag and drop the files inside to your C:\ root (or - if you're using a command line - recursively unpack the files to your C:\ root). GEM at the C:\ prompt will start OpenGEM 6. SETUP at the C:\ prompt will bring you to the OpenGEM 6 setup options. If you need to load drivers or are having difficulty starting OpenGEM look inside the C:\GEM.BAT file. Perhaps you need to uncomment some options to ensure everything will load correctly. Regards Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 (UK) +353862262570 (Ire) w: www.opendawn.com - --- OpenPGP: http://www.opendawn.com/shane/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBRLV+tdwG3M95JPpzAQjSfAQAoYMDqJnJWAxsE/eMQiWXwfvmTCRlROL+ IY4f95aMPMDI1OLa7DJ8JYWikEtzCZfmTvzbKEGXLeOy7DV2WFKkbtcGPIxqHy9f ypIvdTUDp3SBfU+NaQREgetSI/ICbvZqCq1LM5gJ2TgbsVGEQdNxueoO+1Nju02D 6+X8vS03B98= =6oFW -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2
John Hupp wrote: In the course of off-list discussion, I tested this problem much more extensively than I reported here. My own conclusion was similar to your Situation #3: HIMEM and EMM386 are not at issue, and OpenGEM has one or more incompatibilities with the FreeDOS kernel. But I found further that the problem appeared on FAT32 partitions and not on FAT16 partitions. Perhaps that will further narrow the inquiry. John did indeed debug this quite extensively in a three-way conversation with Eric and myself. The results were: PRELIMINARY CONCLUSION: FreeDOS FAT32 support in FreeCOM/Kernel (wherever that support is located) seems to be the problem. It is [...] interesting that not all GEM apps trigger problems under FAT32. Fgdoodle seems to be the worst, and then the other freehand drawing apps Draw and Paint. So graphical rendering methods connect those. CASE 1: MS-DOS HIMEM on FAT32 Gem Desktop locks at quit Draw, Doodle and Paint all lock at start CASE 2: FreeDOS HIMEM on FAT32 Gem Desktop quits OK Draw, Paint all start OK, allow me to scribble a bit, and quit OK Doodle locks at quit CASE 3: MS-DOS HIMEM on FAT16 Everything works OK CASE 4: FreeDOS HIMEM on FAT16 Everything works OK OpenGEM runs fine on MS DOS machines running FAT32, as well as under Windows running FAT32. Regards Shane PS: John is my personal hero for having spent so much time working on this! -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 (UK) +353862262570 (Ire) w: www.opendawn.com --- OpenPGP: http://www.opendawn.com/shane/publickey.asc Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2
John Hupp wrote: I went into this round of tests with this configuration, and cut back progressively as I describe below: LASTDRIVE=Z BUFFERS=30 FILES=40 DOS=HIGH,UMB DOSDATA=UMB DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\HIMEM.EXE DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=TEST VDS SHELL=C:\command.com C:\ /E:512 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT Hi John As you pointed out the combination of FreeDOS Beta9sr2 and OpenGEM is working on a 486 machine, but there are weird errors when running the same setup with the same configuration on a Pentium machine. Let's see what happens if you have no HIMEN or EMM386. Will OpenGEM run applications correctly then? I'm wondering if it is possible that OpenGEM applications are making calls that the Pentium system is handling differently to the 486 system. Perhaps Eric could enlighten regarding this possibility? What is interesting here is that OpenGEM works fine under Windows 95/98/XP on Pentium class machines. I've also had no reports of errors like this from people using OpenGEM with FreeDOS before, so either something is happening with the particular kernel and freecom files in this distribution or it may be an issue with calling higher memory? Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OT: TV show about copyright and the Internet
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Legal TV, a TV channel broadcasting on Sky 885, will have a show at noon tomorrow (Friday) about copyright and the Internet. DRM will also be addressed. I've been asked to take part in the show, and will fly the Free Software flag. If there is anything you want me to keep in mind while on the show, just email me. Regards Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4-svn4127: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRFCsydwG3M95JPpzAQgYDwP/YlxLuXAdK9WdbdtxzDZqwFvBUN6mJOR8 RpvXLy6F2cMkkbHo9WXMGe392YOidDAqYaZ4Z78rFJQZHp/6mTxTPwwhWqjri7Eg 4guiVARxeaeyjbDcvo3OMjHKpzCzAiIDy0ogPWpqxKEV8Q3mZ/uC7br/xG9tR2QH qvylb/5IWsQ= =3CI/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Problems with the lists?
Hi guys I was trying to access the FreeDOS mailing lists through the website, but I got Not Found The requested URL /mailman/listinfo/freedos-user was not found on this server. http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/freedos-user I wanted to help a new user subscribe, but that's looking problematic now. Any suggestions? Shane --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: Not to flame but let others know ...
Escorter wrote: What's going on? What happened to FreeDOS? Everybody talking about a memory manager, but I can't imagine what happened. Who started the trouble? Let's just get back to work, eh? Lots to do. FreeDOS is in great shape, but some edges need polishing. The main distro needs fixing, and it'd be really cool to have a live CD or something :) I'm getting ready for OpenGEM 6, which should be out in May. Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Not to flame but let others know ...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 What a load of nonsense this is. Johnson Lam wrote: Forward an email from Jack, hoping everyone can understand what's going on, I'd like the others to understand the whole thing, not out of context: That was not a particularly useful thing to do Johnson. [...] months ago, and Jim Hall's refusal to delete XDMA/XCDROM on IBiblio! Hall's twisted view of the GNU Open-Source license makes him think he need NOT. I felt the GNU was NOT intended to limit my rights as their AUTHOR, so XDMA/XCDROM were gone in 24 hours! Completely incorrect. If you release something under GNU GPL license you cannot revoke that license. The GNU General Public License is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free software--to make sure the software is free for all its users. The license can only be selectively revoked if people break the terms contained inside the license. If this gent has any reason to doubt this, I suggest talking to Dave (Turner) at the Free Software Foundation. He's in charge of licenses, so you can contact him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The rest of the email is a waste of time. Johnson, I stress that we are meant to be making software, not helping people vent their bile in public. Your reposting of this does not help the project in any way. There are real things that need to be done. The FreeDOS Beta9sr2 distribution is broken (and I am working to fix that). There are bugs listed in the roadmap. I suggest contributing to something useful. Shane OpenGEM Project Leader - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4-svn4102: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBREX09NwG3M95JPpzAQjeywP/ZDOx2xpAU8D9pa69Vc1Rg/r0c1U/No9T eb86fUpAI3SahcZjA3n+S5mnqNzDqMQ+rdWUA3NPDOhPCsLI7BXNEW3F8AcpBwaJ Nqncjgj1ncs1e1n5zuRXvxiQcsVrBRLuWIAPOJjUWvCQiBOfrdqIZ72nlqkTfK6/ 6fW7+EWBCkY= =45d+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Getting stuff done
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi everyone The FreeDOS Beta9sr2 distribution has some errors with the installer, and needs to be replaced. I'm having a look at the CD ISO and the floppy image this week. Does anyone have a neat list of what updated files could go into a new FreeDOS release? On another note, I downloaded and installed Arachne 1.90gpl (http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/). Blair, might this go into a future release from you? Daniel, GNU/DOS...any news? Regards Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4-svn4102: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBREYGDNwG3M95JPpzAQhBQQP8CYlUxH83DAPn/tVYgpgzQAdWr3cq4J6H ydHH2O687P3aC+gyRWdy98FOVrxFwkCRacMBoPPXiKUJbl3hbsbVtCWXfgWnPkaS XP132GPZE5LuCnXFWZemdeZNkSzZlK5FdTeMBiJ6kG6RjO0qmvCndNRF/mt4QpdZ wQRQXBbnahk= =ZKAt -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Software patents, and a way to get your voice heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 As you may or may not know, the European Union is reconsidering patent law once again. This is a very serious matter, as there is a distinct possibility that software patents could be introduced in Europe. We might even see the US software patent validity extend to our nations. The European Union has launched a consultation process regarding this matter. This is where you can really get your voice heard. The deadline was originally March 31st, but has now been extended to April 12th: http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/indprop/patent/consultation_en.htm This is probably in no small part thanks to FSFE's associate organisation FFII, who also have a website with useful info about this consultation: http://consultation.ffii.org/ If anyone is stuck for time, they could endorse FSFE's response, and if they have time, they could add comments or examples of there own. A html copy of FSFE's response is now at: http://fsfeurope.org/projects/swpat/fsfe-patstrat-response.en.html Please *do* send a comment if you can, or (even better!) endorse the FSFE position on the matter. Regards Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4-cvs: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRDgf79wG3M95JPpzAQgfCQP/Sd29b+n7Xz/91G1Etes1awCLhcll5qqB KgBIqWAa+bvJaOcpH0bCworf+y53z1dRSeOpYpO20yi+aVPqqt80wczyiaXtLm+V Aflb/axX6fpifAC+SKrLpZAmTp/3tGWnoz3+L92UgEpifahpPk3Dsld/SsK45V7w 1kbDMuTp60A= =qXFT -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] DRM and Free Software...the perspective of the OpenGEM chap
Gerry Hickman wrote: As I see it, the way forward for DRM and trusted computing will annoy people and they will end up shunning it. To some extent this is happening already, but even Adobe is in on the act now with their secure PDFs and most end users will simply end up with what they're given with their next hardware purchase - e.g. Windows Vista with everything locked down and DRM enabled. I hope the GNU people get it together to outlaw DRM in their new license. One other thing to note is that no one outside the US/UK gives a damn about any corporation's rights to anything; in Japan and China, copying is the norm. Hi Gerry, thank you so much for your thoughtful and useful feedback. I think DRM will annoy people, but I also believe they will substantially accept it simply because most large companies will use it. It'll be the norm. AMD has no reason to reject DRM and 'Trusted Computing.' It will be profitable for AMD to work with the system, as it'll mean that the next generation of media products will work on their platform. To deny 'Trusted Computing' could mean losing market share. The Free Software Foundations around the world are working very hard to engage with this issue. If you are in the USA, please consider joining in at www.fsf.org, and helping with either a donation or be donating your time. If you are based in Europe, please consider becoming a fellow of the FSFE at www.fsfe.org. We're working really hard to counter patents (http://fsfeurope.org/projects/swpat/fsfe-patstrat-response.pdf) and to make sure that DRM is not going to take over our lives. Regards Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] DRM and Free Software...the perspective of the OpenGEM chap
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 BruceIrving wrote: That is a very thoughtful and interesting article, Shane. We need more information of this type and, you are right, we NEED to discuss it. In the past, DRM fell into the same category as Microsoft's COM -- it does something, but I haven't the slightest idea what it is supposed to do! Bruce, thank you so much for your comments. I believe you hit the nail on the (DRM) head when you said I haven't the slightest idea what it is supposed to do! The entire subject has been so wrapped up in FUD from both sides that sometimes it's hard to work out what's going on. This reminds me of my own research into Six Sigma, that quantitative management analysis technique from Japan that was American Hippified and has become the key methodology for many major companies. When I first started researching Six Sigma everyone was so busy saying how cool it was, and how it would change everything, that they completely forgot to explain what it really is. I guess it just sounds boring to say it's a statistical approach to problem solving, with the inherent assumption that all problems can be expressed and solved through numbers. We need to cut through the nonsense with DRM, ask what is this?, what will it mean to people? and what are the long-term implications. Once we do that, we'll be able to make sensible decisions about the subject. Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3-cvs4067* (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRCwrjdwG3M95JPpzAQjVfwP/Yr+2krbtMWX7YuPPz7wc7ljoi6nRvgzU 7gXTxuBJ9lc/CMSJpwfVWk62/0sUXPwBojx6U9RpiLM1F7uaLZh8TPPlJBQ0MXtC HDPyPXjFTp/pI0cVFhoVu316cgCpp9JDXQkpY2Es8TnZWSZc26EPMGgqQ5JZ6I8m 6SkUqlvnKnE= =0XRW -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] DRM and Free Software...the perspective of the OpenGEM chap
chris evans wrote: Who defines this assumed trust in software? The user of the manufacturer? The way I see it the file can have a crc or md5 signed trusted info block to verify who wrote/and distributed it. and the user can have control over which is excluded. In 'Trusted Computing' the user does not decide what is trusted. The companies get to decide this. That's the main problem with the system. Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Release 2 is strange
Marten Feldtmann wrote: All that software is strange. The CD-ROm installation did not do the work and now I tried to install via the discs and all these installations break with missing files here and missing files there. Especially textinst.exe is missing ... It would be very useful if you could make a list of all the problems, and post them here. For example: 1 - When I type install, it says Install is now working Then the screen fills with error messages that all say File not found It is obviously highly important to debug any problems, and it will save so much time if we can isolate them exactly. Regards Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Requesting information about OpenGEM use
dima wrote: I have download this archive (3244731 Mar 12 00:09 OpenGEMXM.zip). When I try to start it: Bad command or filename - GEMVDI. Looks like gemvdi.exe missing on x:, but: That's interesting, because you showed me that X: contains all the correct folders. GEMVDI is inside one of those folders, and it should therefore run correctly. Let's do some testing. First of all, are you using FreeDOS? What version? P.S. Sorry for my bad english. Your English is fine! I hope I can help you to solve this problem. Regards Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM 6 Development 2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hello all Some news for people who are waiting for the next major release of OpenGEM. Huh? Some people scratch their head. Are you talking about the new multi-tasking OpenGEM/XM experimental code? No. I'm not. The experimental OpenGEM/XM code is experimental. It's not going to be ready for general use for a while. The next major release of OpenGEM will be single-tasking, and will be building on OpenGEM 5. In other words, it'll be small, stable, and designed for easy use. OpenGEM 6 will bring some new features to the OpenGEM world. It's going to have support for HP deskjet printers and postscript printers out-of-the-box, and work is underway to introduce a new package management system to make it easy to install and remove GEM applications. The newest development version of OpenGEM 6 is now online here: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/OpenGEM6Dev2.zip It will be active at this link for at least seven days (until 20:00 GMT, March 20th). It has one big change from previous OpenGEM versions. There is a highly experimental new feature to put OpenGEM into only one folder on your C:\ drive. To do this, you get one folder (OPENGEM) and one file (GEM.BAT) in your C:\ root. When you run GEM.BAT it SUBSTs the OPENGEM folder to the imaginary drive O:. This feature may or may not make it into the final shipping version. Testing and feedback is requested. Regards Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3rc2-cvs4061: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRBXUVNwG3M95JPpzAQhkAAQAqNpVsIoDdnQOfWuwM9uswhV9ZCyWhGKu 4azIfWy/m7zI2cigIR8XxGY+7V1eSza94QfcULGk/rBYlXT4j6FPkHILCPXPVpKr Y/yAIGH4iJj/lpFP71ThLULDGpRg6KH+PGRteGjli2GHIv4FFC6BJleTNqcUkWPy xxL/I9pm1tA= =d89b -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Requesting information about OpenGEM use
dima wrote: I don't use OpenGEM, because I am disagree with installation method, which make a much new directories on C:\ A very valid point. I am looking at fixing that issue with new releases of OpenGEM. The latest development release of OpenGEM/XM (the multi-tasking development distribution) actually only creates one file (GEM.BAT) and one directory (OPENGEM) in your C:\ root. That makes everything look a lot cleaner in my opinion. Of course, we need to see if people like the idea! The version of OpenGEM/XM that creates only one folder in your C:\ drive is at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/OpenGEMXM.zip Meanwhile, there is a more traditional single-tasking development version of what might become OpenGEM 6 at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/OpenGEM6Dev1.zip. This version is almost exactly the same as OpenGEM 5 Core, but it supports printing from HP Deskjet printers. If anyone could test this technology to make sure it works for them, that would be great. There is no installer, so just unzip the package to your C:\ drive. You can install it on top of an existing OpenGEM 5 Core installation if you are really brave. On a final note, I'm completely broke. Making rent this month will be hard enough, let alone covering server costs. If anyone wants to help out with paying for the technology costs behind the OpenGEM Project there is a donation link at the bottom of this page: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/index.html. Regards Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Requesting information about OpenGEM use
Hi guys This is Shane Coughlan from the OpenGEM project. I am glad to say that work is underway both on a new version of OpenGEM and a project to create a multi-tasking OpenGEM. I want to ask everyone how they use OpenGEM, what they would like to see in the future, and to generally get a lot of suggestions about how OpenGEM can be a better GUI for FreeDOS. Regards Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM/XM Development 2 now out
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hello everyone The second development package of what will become OpenGEM/XM (a multi-tasking version of OpenGEM) is now on line. You can download it here: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/OpenGEMXM.zip This development version sees a new directory structure for OpenGEM that means it only creates one directory in your C:\ drive. It makes everything a little neater. To run OpenGEM/XM Development 2, just run GEM.BAT after unzipping everything to your C: root and keeping the folder structure. Do NOT install this over an existing OpenGEM installation, as the directory structures are different and you'll end up with a mess. If you are using OpenGEM 5 or previous, and want to try this, please backup OpenGEM 5 and delete all the files. The code here is FreeGEM/XM 3.0beta4 (http://www.deltasoft.com/downloads/gemxm.zip) and John Elliott's new GEMVDI for GEM/XM (http://www.seasip.info/Gem/Software/qdxm2.zip). These were installed with the applications from OpenGEM 5 Complete and a new version of GEM.BAT. Please try out this system, and let me know if it works for you! We are working towards having a wonderful multi-tasking GUI for FreeDOS really soon. Regards Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3-cvs-4055: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRBCeoNwG3M95JPpzAQhcbwQArBaujP/i4Ru/0g6+yu/f95GZDMIH4GP2 Zs8k2tA9Nq9ty82W2ac9fuTYFhypzMQ1KOf4bq3mDMiFnOx2ingNsr0VrnkqOOAq m4spfeehHpKDegY6CSuIBZNvaOFZqo0YiQYc0JelB+CpWgTG4xgnpcDzHDOmpvki tALp4NLSNWs= =h9yP -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Multitasking OpenGEM on its way
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi guys The first development package of what will become OpenGEM/XM (a multi-tasking version of OpenGEM) is now online. You can download it here: To run it, just run GEM.BAT after unzipping everything to your C: root and keeping the folder structure. Do NOT install this over an existing OpenGEM installation, as the directory structures are different and you'll end up with a mess. If you are using OpenGEM 5 or previous, and want to try this, please backup OpenGEM 5 and delete all the files. This needs testing. Many things do NOT work yet. For instance, trying to run Output will result in a rather fun crash. Please test, and send reports. You need to make sure your Z: drive is not in use, as OpenGEM/XM will use this as a virtual memory area. The code here is FreeGEM/XM 3.0beta4 (http://www.deltasoft.com/downloads/gemxm.zip) and John Elliott's new GEMVDI for GEM/XM (http://www.seasip.info/Gem/Software/qdxm2.zip). These were installed with the applications from OpenGEM 5 Complete and a cut-down version of GEM.BAT. Exiting times lie ahead! All reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3rc1-4029: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRAnG+NwG3M95JPpzAQicaQP/QBh1s2VwJoaGDXevOEd9RrKI5+5/yN15 gFkn4Abu/R1Bo76/RkR23lkRK286OdYu5Gn9Vg/M6GDntcBNjQAjfvz6VW1JZiHb F9/Q2Cgt9bIPKsoEgLMJ8RCEUprG1qjCC1rvVXNePpMDYB1FV8VQyS9SBfWlAyMp IbIk7E0MfpA= =essz -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Multitasking OpenGEM on its way - missing URL
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi guys The first development package of what will become OpenGEM/XM (a multi-tasking version of OpenGEM) is now online. You can download it here: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/OpenGEMxmDevelopment1.zip To run it, just run GEM.BAT after unzipping everything to your C: root and keeping the folder structure. Do NOT install this over an existing OpenGEM installation, as the directory structures are different and you'll end up with a mess. If you are using OpenGEM 5 or previous, and want to try this, please backup OpenGEM 5 and delete all the files. This needs testing. Many things do NOT work yet. For instance, trying to run Output will result in a rather fun crash. Please test, and send reports. You need to make sure your Z: drive is not in use, as OpenGEM/XM will use this as a virtual memory area. The code here is FreeGEM/XM 3.0beta4 (http://www.deltasoft.com/downloads/gemxm.zip) and John Elliott's new GEMVDI for GEM/XM (http://www.seasip.info/Gem/Software/qdxm2.zip). These were installed with the applications from OpenGEM 5 Complete and a cut-down version of GEM.BAT. Exiting times lie ahead! All reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3rc1-4029: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRAnHU9wG3M95JPpzAQju8AQAtqAyZxxTwocnw/oxD2CQNp3YQtaxXZef u6s4pYuslIDpVkKXlG8f3PgVK9asNEMSJhQODP5w8p+wDFeQqYcvZqB68Dh0A0YP qRXnnYrZXrceAR6JU2feOec/JH5RZSVMRRiT9WehBHLKXtiHbK2EBxDTW2n9Xw5W 2U29Ukh7o0s= =RSpW -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Complete 5 is out now (GUI for FreeDOS)
Almost a month behind its smaller sister, OpenGEM Complete 5 is out now. You can download it from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk This is a massive update from OpenGEM Complete 4, with a completely new user interface, 3D boxes, and drive auto-detection. To install it over an existing version of OpenGEM, simply run the installer, and when if prompted agree to overwrite existing files. Many thanks to Daniel Quintiliani for helping to debug this release, and many thanks to all of you for waiting so patiently. There will be an updated OpenGEM SDK out within two days with more documentation and new source code. Meanwhile, if you need the latest GEM desktop or AES source code, it can be obtained from http://www.seasip.info. Best regards and a happy new year Shane OpenGEM Project Leader -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Patent granted on FAT
From: Daniel Quintiliani [EMAIL PROTECTED] The new version is due out shortly (awaiting Shane's OpenGEM Complete 5 OpenGEM 5 SDK, actually), and I'd hate to see all those months of work I put into the menu, package management, semi-automated installation, etc. which is coming in the new version have gone to waste... Shane grins ruefully and promises that the OpenGEM Complete package and SDK will be released tomorrow. Sorry they are late. I was working on encrypted profiles for the Mobility Project, and got sidetracked. Shane --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and OpenGem on the $100 Laptop?
Tom Lee Mullins wrote: Do you think it one could use FreeDOS and OpenGem on MIT's $100 laptop computer? http://laptop.media.mit.edu/ -- I sent them an e-mail about it. :) Hi Tom Technically, yes...running FreeDOS and OpenGEM on the $100 laptop should work. However, I'm not sure that it would be the best option. Red Hat are currently making the OS for the laptop, and that means we'll see Linux 2.6 with Gnome 2.10 or 2.12 preloaded. The 500mz CPU should handle that load fine. In terms of functionality it would be a considerable downgrade to use FreeDOS/OpenGEM. However, if we were talking about having an environment that is simple, fast and easy to hack around with, the FreeDOS/OpenGEM combination could provide a great learning system. FreeDOS is very close to 1.0, and OpenGEM 5 is a pretty strong system. As a combination we're looking at tools that are both interesting and useful. I can see several applications - Rescue tools - Learning development environments - File management tasks FreeDOS is useful perhaps for embedded work in addition to a normal OS. We have to balance these ideas against the strength of Linux. Linux is a very powerful system, and it runs on a lot of hardware. There is no point in being unrealistic about our (DOS-based system) position against theirs: in desktop and server it's almost always got to be Linux. It's like the way people email me asking when OpenGEM will be 32bit with multi-tasking and have 16million colors. I'm never going to try and do that. If you want that, I suggest getting GNOME on Linux or BSD. If I was to make something that was 32bit, multitasking and had millions of colors I would make GNOME anyway. We should focus on our main markets (low power machines, embedded and hobbyist), and provide the best tools we possibly can for these people. Shane Project Leader OpenGEM [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gem.shaneland.co.uk --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 Core GUI for FreeDOS released
Hello all I'm delighted to announce that OpenGEM 5 Core has been released. You can download it right away from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk. OpenGEM 5 Core is the first release of the next generation of the OpenGEM GUI, a GPL GUI distribution for DOS. It has many advanced features. These include, but are not limited to: - 3D windows - Automatic drive detection - An internal file viewer - New system fonts - New pointer icons - Automatically viewing contents of .TXT,.INF,.NFO,.BAT and .CFG files These powerful features were added to the FreeGEM codebase by John Elliott. OpenGEM 5 Core is tiny. It's around half the size of OpenGEM 4 Core, even though it's a lot more powerful. The download size of OpenGEM 5 Core is only 300kb, and when installed it's only 500kb. OpenGEM 5 Core is intended to be the best choice around for a FreeDOS File Manager. The OpenGEM 5 family is designed to be the GUI of choice for FreeDOS 1.0. Because we want to make sure everything works perfectly, we're not going to rush releases. OpenGEM 5 Core is out now, OpenGEM 5 Complete should appear before the end of December, and OpenGEM 5 Deutsch is projected to be complete sometime next year. Special packages to update OpenGEM 4 Core to OpenGEM 5 Core will be released later this month. Best regards to all Shane Coughlan http://gem.shaneland.co.uk --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OT: Web hosting needed for a binary distribution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bernd Blaauw wrote: might be interesting to join the Portable Thunderbird project instead. http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/portable_thunderbird/ Let them do the hosting :) My project is based on a project that is based on PortableThunderbird, so we're covering much of the same ground. However, I'm implimenting a holistic security solution on top of the email client. Our goals are actually pretty different. PortableThunderbird is making sure you can take Thunderbird anywhere. Conversely, I'm using Thunderbird as the core of a complete secure communication system that is perfectly mobile. Regards Shane -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDNo7fTa6KuhPvdOoRAmhKAJ92W2DkNIG3o7lJYg4EqgZPQ4ktaQCeN3T5 sjruHQfKbG5pzYJTv++pXIY= =zs9H -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OT: Web hosting needed for a binary distribution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello all I am currently understaking a new project to make a highly mobile and secure version of the Thunderbird email client (includings like Enigmail and TrueCrypt containers). The problem is that my website is maxed out providing the OpenGEM GUI files to people (I've already had to increase my hosting plan once this year). Does anyone have spare server space to host the binary files of my new project, Mobility Email? I would need about 30mb server space. The issue is likely to be traffic, which might get quite high. Regards Shane - - -- Shane M. Coughlan BA(hons) MA EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: www.shaneland.co.uk MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: ShaneMCoughlan Yahoo: shane_c ICQ: 32280303 - - -- I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. - Douglas Adams - - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDNK9yTa6KuhPvdOoRAnT8AJ9HYmslsC7R+9WN5/HU1PXgbrw21QCgszBS 3ujVeMP68u5bc27vT/0QGHk= =OJFD -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] GPG
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carl Spitzer wrote: Are there any ports of up to date versions for GEMini or any other GUI? Excellent question. I'm trying to find someone to port GnuPG 1.4.1 to DOS. That would enable us to make a little GnuPG frontend for OpenGEM and GEMini. Perhaps...*ahem*...Blair might like to try the challenge :P Regards Shane Coughlan OpenGEM Lead Developer http://gem.shaneland.co.uk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDJ5nlTa6KuhPvdOoRApW/AKD+yetdEutQ9ihKBmnTx50U2IYV+ACfeEMw f3EhMjtf+3mERHd7WmgbGiI= =4cFn -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM and GEM Drivers for DOS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello guys I wanted to let you know that John Elliott has created a special section in his website listing all the GEM video, printer, metafile and imaging drivers that he could find. To quote from his release email: Those drivers which I've been able to find and which have the DRI copyright message, I've made downloadable. Of the others, I've highlighted them in red if no copy is known to exist on the Web, and in yellow if I've got a copy but the copyright message indicates non-DRI authorship. This should help make sure the OpenGEM GUI can run on as many DOS systems as possible. John's driver list is at: http://www.seasip.info/Gem/Drivers/index.html OpenGEM can be downloaded from: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Regards - -- Shane M. Coughlan BA(hons) MA EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: www.shaneland.co.uk MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: ShaneMCoughlan Yahoo: shane_c ICQ: 32280303 - -- I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. - Douglas Adams - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDH4rgTa6KuhPvdOoRAoI0AJ4/CvmTv+VamkwVWaKcik2H2EE1vACg2FDy WQ1Celo5N42l3tOY0vyiwtw= =hqBd -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM and GEM Drivers for DOS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello guys I wanted to let you know that John Elliott has created a special section in his website listing all the GEM video, printer, metafile and imaging drivers that he could find. To quote from his release email: Those drivers which I've been able to find and which have the DRI copyright message, I've made downloadable. Of the others, I've highlighted them in red if no copy is known to exist on the Web, and in yellow if I've got a copy but the copyright message indicates non-DRI authorship. This should help make sure the OpenGEM GUI can run on as many DOS systems as possible. John's driver list is at: http://www.seasip.info/Gem/Drivers/index.html OpenGEM can be downloaded from: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Regards - -- Shane M. Coughlan BA(hons) MA EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: www.shaneland.co.uk MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: ShaneMCoughlan Yahoo: shane_c ICQ: 32280303 - -- I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. - - Douglas Adams -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDH5XPTa6KuhPvdOoRAhH7AKDHqCOnzi492xeKgK36SB1K0QJMNgCbBTE8 SVQV8JQSxMx/hV3IZ1MibBw= =T4Xt -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] The future of FreeDOS GUIs is arriving! OpenGEM Project Liberation is now available
Carlos wrote: The screenshots look great! I'm gonna use it. Thanks Shane You're welcome Carlos! OpenGEM GUI has been under development now since late 2001, and we've been focusing strongly on FreeDOS since around mid-2002. With OpenGEM 4 we finally got a GUI framework that was around the level of commerical stability, and Project Liberation is building on that. Hopefully by the time it's out of beta, we'll have an exceptionally strong GUI for FreeDOS. Many people deserve thanks for what's happening in OpenGEM now. John Elliott, who has programmed all the new stuff. Thorsten Franke, who made the German translation for OpenGEM 4. Blair Campbell, who did the testing needed to get Project Liberation released. And many more! You can find out more about Project Liberation at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/projectliberation.htm You can read an interview about it at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/interview3.html Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [SEAL] and xdosemu just work
I was told about Ozone recently, and I had a look at it. I've not tested it myself. It looks lovely, though I am told be a user it suffers from reliability problems. You said FreeGEM works on XDOSEMU. Is this OpenGEM, or another FreeGEM distribution? Best regards Shane Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenGEM : http://gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [SEAL] and xdosemu just work
Blair Campbell wrote: Ozone is relaitively stable for me, but running certain programs under it can cause it to crash easily. It is not very useful as there are very few apps for it, and it is no longer in development, so it's basically only really useable as a file manager. Talking of development, I've was contacted recently by someone who is interested in developing faxing and database applications for OpenGEM. If they progress with their development the applications will be coded in TurboPascal I believe. Be nice to see some new applications appear for OpenGEM, and the rest of the GEM community. By the way, downloads of OpenGEM 4 have passed 2,000 since it's release a month and a half ago. About 90% of the downloads appear to be FreeDOS people. Nice to see that! Regards Shane Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenGEM: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM GUI goes German! Official release today...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - - OpenGEM Deutsch is now available (12/8/05) Thanks to the heroic work of Thorsten Franke, OpenGEM Deutsch is now complete and is officially released! This German language version of OpenGEM is almost identical to OpenGEM Core, though it has a slightly less modern desktop and includes more driver files. It features drag and drop support, a word processor, and is 100% compatible with the English versions of OpenGEM. You can download it from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Thorsten is officially in charge of OpenGEM Deutsch, and will be working to develop both this software, and improve the English version of OpenGEM. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gem.shaneland.co.uk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFC/KsiTa6KuhPvdOoRAgIKAJ4nuV2pA/BPV8MB4rcmbhNg4B/DaACeOjEz EVK48zMU4UI8tJqtLdfLhlc= =gBbm -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM goes multi-lingual, and development of a multi-tasking GEM is underway
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear everyone I thought I would share some news that may be of interest to a lot of people out there. First of all, OpenGEM is after going German! OpenGEM Deutsch is now at release candidate 1, and should be a fully functional German OpenGEM! We'd love if you downloaded it and tested it on your FreeDOS machines (or DR DOS, REAL/32 etc etc), and let us know if everything works okay. You can download OpenGEM Deutsch Release 4 RC1 from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Thank you to Thorsten Franke for making this possible. Secondly, OpenGEM is nearly ready to go multi-tasking. This is big news. OpenGEM is a stable GUI with applications, bindings for many languages, and a SDK. It's popular, and growing its userbase all the time. Once we're multi-tasking (IMHO) we'll be a pretty killer app for FreeDOS. Windows 3.1 eat your heart out :P OpenGEM/XM will be based on the FreeGEM/XM beta 4 code, which is almost stable and is itself based on the DR GEM/XM code. It has functioned on several machines already. However, it needs debugging and some additional programming. Therefore, consider this a call for programmers! If you can use C please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and help me get this system out there. I'd love to see FreeDOS get a stable, mature multi-tasking GUI as soon as possible. Meanwhile, if you are interested in developing for OpenGEM, don't forget that there is a SDK at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk New GEM applications are always welcome, and if you use the GDScript language to make GEM front-ends to DOS applications as well. That could be an interesting idea. Imagine if users had the option to call FreeDOS applications from inside GEM? Now, before we all get too excited (or bored), I'd like to ask something. I want to know what you guys would like to see OpenGEM become for its future with FreeDOS. What functions and abilities do you want to see, what do you want to avoid, and what do you think would be cool? For some of my own ideas, you can see a small interview with me talking about OpenGEM in general here: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/interview1.html There is an interview with me talking about the OpenGEM Release 4 family here: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/interview2.html Regards to all Shane - -- Shane M. Coughlan BA(hons) MA EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: www.shaneland.co.uk MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: ShaneMCoughlan Yahoo: shane_c ICQ: 32280303 - -- I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. - Douglas Adams - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFC9LfdROnltWY8uXARArRKAKDLc5gUci9MZ7/a2Muzptq2hgOd+ACg5alb KAMyp3lOHEbh0sWx/jD6Zmw= =Bd9Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 4 Update 3 now online
The OpenGEM Release 4 family of software has now been updated. The best little FreeDOS GUI is getting more stable :P OpenGEM Core, Complete, Experimental and Deutsch have been updated to include a metafile driver that was previously missing from OpenGEM Release 4. The lack of this driver caused some applications to fail to start. OpenGEM Release 4 Update 3 patches are now online (if you are an OpenGEM Deutsch user the patch is called Beta 2). You can download the updates or the latest full version of the OpenGEM software from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Best regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] A German version of OpenGEM has been released for FreeDOS
- Shane Land announces a German version of OpenGEM (31/7/05) There is a new German language version of OpenGEM being developed from OpenGEM Core Release 4. It is still in Beta. While the GUI and internal applications are in German, the documentation and the batch files remain in English. With your help with testing and translation, it should not be long before OpenGEM expands into a second language! You can download Beta 1 right now by visiting the Shane Land OpenGEM webpage at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Best regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk PS: So far the OpenGEM Release 4 family seems to run without problems on FreeDOS Beta 9. I've had no reports of any issues between OpenGEM and the FreeDOS base programs. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Core, Complete and Experimental have been updated
OpenGEM Core, Complete and Experimental have been updated. Release 4 Update 2 of these software packages is now online at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads.html. If you are an existing user of Release 4 Update 1 you can download an update package from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/updates.html This update includes the new OpenGEM FAQ and OpenGEM User Guide. The OpenGEM Complete Release 4 Update 2 is an important update, as it adds missing driver files to the package. These updates are part of Shane Land's continuing commitment to supporting the FreeDOS community with a great GUI. If you have any comments, suggestions or bug reports, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are particuarly interested in hearing about any stability issues with FreeDOS Beta 9, or about any conflicts that OpenGEM may cause. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 4 IMPORTANT UPDATE!
Shane Land is rather embarressed to announce updates to OpenGEM Release 4 just one day after the official launch! OpenGEM, the GUI intended to provide support for the FreeDOS 1.0 release, has some problems! OpenGEM Release 4 Complete, Core and Experimental had some issues that were discovered by Daniel Quintiliani of the GNU/DOS project over at http://danq.lunarpages.com/gnudos/ 1) The REPAIR function used to restore essential system files was faulty. 2) The Exit to DOS function of the GEM launching file was faulty on some versions of DOS. In addition, we discovered that the UPDATE and INSTALL functions of OpenGEM were not working correctly on OpenGEM Release 4 Complete, Core and Experimental. These issues have all been corrected, and an updated version of OpenGEM Release 4 Complete, Core or Experimental can be downloaded from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk. If you have already installed OpenGEM Release 4, you can get an update patch for OpenGEM Complete, Core or Experimental by visiting http://gem.shaneland.co.uk. To install the update, simply extract the zipfile to C:\ and recreate subfolders while overwriting files. You can look at this two ways...one way is to think that even after all these months of development Shane Land still releases buggy software...the other way is that we took 24 hours to fix the problem after we were told about it. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Shane Land GEMini Release 3 now online!
. LICENSE.TXT is going to stay in HELPZONE, as all documents associated with OpenGEM are stored here. However, LICENSE.TXT is also included on the first level of the downloadable ZIP file, so it's one of the first things people see, along with README.TXT. This is may impressions about setup and run process. If you wish, I continue my remarks about working insid GEM. Also, if you wish, I may rework batch files for you. I will be releasing OpenGEM Release 4RC1 on the 20th of June. It would be wonderful if you could have a look at this substantially different version of OpenGEM (which will included some of the changes you have suggested), and let me know what you think! I will post to the FreeDOS list when the new version of OpenGEM is online. Thank you so much Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Shane Land GEMini Release 3 now online!
I download and make short tryings for OGEM3. If you interested, I express my impressions (wishes and bug reports). Hi Arkady I would really value both your opinions and any bug reports you could make. I'm trying to position OpenGEM as the best 16bit GPL GUI choice for FreeDOS users, and the main things now is to get feedback. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk PS: I'll be releasing OpenGEM Release 4RC1 soon, and this will show a lot of the changes. I'll try to include anything you find with OpenGEM Release 3. Thanks a lot! --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM SDK Release 1 now out!
Dear everyone I am proud to announce the official release of the OpenGEM SDK. OpenGEM SDK Release 1 is now available for immediate download from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk. OpenGEM SDK is a collection of tools, source code and binary for the creation of OpenGEM/GEM/FreeGEM applications. It includes: - GEM bindings for Pacific C, DGJPP and Turbo Pascal - Pacific C compiler - DR GEM 3.13 complete binaries source code - FreeGEM AES binaries and source code - FreeGEM desktops binaries and source code - Multiple GEM binaries of core units (DR GEM 1.2, 2.0, 3.0 etc) - GEM binaries for all applications released under GPL - Many source code sections for GEM applications - All the GEM driver binaries and source code - Many tools for making and altering GEM code and settings - Documentation to help you get started In short, OpenGEM SDK Release 1 is the one-stop-shop to get started with creating applications for GEM, or for altering the GEM GUI enviroment. It's the most complete collection of tools, code and applications yet released for the platform. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. Introducing Yahoo! Search Developer Network - Create apps using Yahoo! Search APIs Find out how you can build Yahoo! directly into your own Applications - visit http://developer.yahoo.net/?fr=offad-ysdn-ostg-q22005 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Shane Land GEMini 3 further details
This email is about the GEMini GUI file manager that I created and maintain for FreeDOS. I have been getting some questions about the code and license underlying the GEMini GUI file manager, most especially because the next release of the file manager will use a lot of Digital Research GEM code instead of code generated by the FreeGEM community. Will this change the license that GEMini is released under? In short, no. GEMini will be GPL. FreeGEM is based on the GPL DR GEM code. By going back to DR GEM code the license will stay the same. The applications files included with GEMini Release 3 are as follows: WRITE.* - parts of the write application, used to view files. Released by Caldera as GPL, but the source code was lost in a flooding at DR fifteen years ago. GEM.EXE the main GEM GUI file. Source code available. GEMVDI.EXE the GEM video file. Source code available. DESKHI an icon set. GEM SDK can edit and alter this. SDPSC9 video driver. GPL, but the source code for this may also be missing. DESKTOP.* this is the FreeGEM desktop 3.2. Source code available. DESK1.ACC an accessory set (GEM calculator and clock). Source code available. Everything apart from DESKTOP.* is now sourced from DR GEM 3.13 or DR GEM 1.6 code. CHOICE is the FreeDOS choice. CTMOUSE the same. SHUTDOWN is a GPL application. You can download GEMini Release 3RC3 at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/GEMINI3RC3.zip GEMini Release 3 (final version) should be out in around a week. I will also have the sources to download from my site at that time. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. Introducing Yahoo! Search Developer Network - Create apps using Yahoo! Search APIs Find out how you can build Yahoo! directly into your own Applications - visit http://developer.yahoo.net/?fr=offad-ysdn-ostg-q22005 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] GEMini Release 3 Release Candidate 3 now online
- GEMini Release 3 Release Candidate 3 now online (27/5/05) Shane Land is proud to announce the public release of the next generation of GEMini (the tiny GUI file manager for FreeDOS). GEMini Release 3 Release Candidate 3 can be downloaded from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/GEMINI3RC3.zip. This software is a step away from the FreeGEM model, and is based largely on the code from DR GEM 3.13. This vastly increases speed and stability. Please help us test this software. Regards Shane gem.shaneland.co.uk --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. Introducing Yahoo! Search Developer Network - Create apps using Yahoo! Search APIs Find out how you can build Yahoo! directly into your own Applications - visit http://developer.yahoo.net/?fr=offad-ysdn-ostg-q22005 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Look for a Dos File manager
In addition to the OpenGEM GUI, there is a GEM based file-manager called GEMini. It takes up only 400kb, but has features like drag and drop. http://gem.shaneland.co.uk to download. It's under the GPL. Regards Shane --- This SF.net email is sponsored by Demarc: A global provider of Threat Management Solutions. Download our HomeAdmin security software for free today! http://www.demarc.com/Info/Sentarus/hamr30 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 4 confirmed, GEMini Release 3 announed
Dear everyone This is an email regarding the OpenGEM distribution of FreeGEM, which is a free GPL GUI intended for use on FreeDOS (and other DOS systems). I am proud to confirm that OpenGEM Release 4 will be released on the 31st of January 2005. OpenGEM Release 4 will build on the highly successful third generation of the software, and expand the documentation to make it easier to install and use the system. OpenGEM Release 4 is intended to provide FreeDOS and other DOS users with the best combination of simplicity and power available under the GPL license. GEMini Release 3, a gui file manager for FreeDOS with drag and drop features, will be released on the 28th of February 2005. GEMini is intended to provide FreeDOS users with an simple tiny file manager (400kb when installed) that has the power to quickly move, copy or delete files. Both OpenGEM and GEMini are built on DR GEM, a stable and well tested 16bit GUI enviroment. This is not experimental software, unfinished software, or buggy software. It is now extensively used and tested on a wide range of DOS machines. OpenGEM is designed to be the definitive GUI for FreeDOS 1.0, and GEMini is designed to satisfy the need for a powerful file manager for FreeDOS 1.0. There will be update patches to update OpenGEM Release 3 to OpenGEM Release 4, and GEMini Release 2 to GEMini Release 3. The update patches will be released on the same day as the new software. You can download this software at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Earlier in the month we had some problems with links on the website, but these issues are now corrected. You can download the source files for the GEM technology at www.deltasoft.com and www.seasip.info. Best wishes Shane Coughlan --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Bootable FreeDOS
I have an ODIN 0.7A disk image dated April 29, 2004. Dear Steve Hello! Actually, I was referring not to ODIN (which is listed to 0.6 online...last release February of this year...when's the nice new 0.7 coming out? :) ), I was referring to a one-disk distro of FreeDOS created by Kristaps Kaupe last year entitled Bootable FreeDOS (version 1.00). I noticed he seems to have vanished and both his website and email address don't work anymore. I was curious if his project was still active. By the way, has anyone compared the features of Bootable FreeDOS and ODIN? Best Shane http://gem.shaneland.co.uk --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by OSTG. Have you noticed the changes on Linux.com, ITManagersJournal and NewsForge in the past few weeks? Now, one more big change to announce. We are now OSTG- Open Source Technology Group. Come see the changes on the new OSTG site. www.ostg.com ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
