Re: [ilugd] Multiple installable distributions on a USB
sadly yes :/ -- Viksit Gaur From: Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [ilugd] Multiple installable distributions on a USB would this be raj's last email to ilug-d? regards niyam On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Tuesday 11 Dec 2012, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: On 12/10/2012 09:15 PM, Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) wrote: On Monday 10 Dec 2012, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: On 12/10/2012 12:29 PM, Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) wrote: The subject more or less says it all :) I use grub2 for booting off of a USB/SD-Card and the following are a few of the relevant entries what I have in /boot/grub/grub.cfg Thanks, that's helpful, but still a tad too much work. I've found enough Winduhs tools for doing this, am surprised there's nothing equivalent for Linux. [bsd@mon ~]$ aptitude show grub-rescue-pc Homepage: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ Nono, I meant stuff like on: http://www.pendriveapps.com/software/live-usb/ . Yumi, for instance, is almost exact;y what I need apart from the platform it runs on, as is MultiBoot. *Sigh* back to the drawing board. Regards, -- Raj -- Raj Mathur || r...@kandalaya.org || GPG: http://otheronepercent.blogspot.com || http://kandalaya.org || CC68 It is the mind that moves || http://schizoid.in || D17F ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd -- niyam bhushan ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Shocking and Sad news.
That's really sad news. Raj was my first link to ILUG-D when I pinged him after seeing his email on the linux-india mailing lists, back in 1997-98. Over the years, he became a great friend and mentor, and I learned a lot from him. He was also a regular on IRC, well respected across various networks and that was probably the easiest means of staying in touch with him remotely. Some of my most enduring memories are of him organizing meetups at his place and offering an endless supply of excellent coffee with cream over discussions about all sorts of technology; of the initial linux asia conferences, of freed.in, and the many late night jaunts to defcol that became a defining feature of ilugd meets. He was a man of principles, sticking by his guns and openly questioning anything he didn't believe in. His warm personality, great sense of humour and his insightful opinions on a wide variety of topics will be greatly missed. Rest in peace, Raj. -- Viksit Gaur From: Kishore Bhargava kish...@linkaxis.com To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:30 AM Subject: [ilugd] Shocking and Sad news. 12-12-12. What a very very sad day. We lost a very dear friend, Raj Mathur. People who knew and have met Raj will always remember him as a lively and humourous person - brutally honest and a man of principles. Raj was a founder member of the Indian Linux Users Group and a very active member of the Free and Open Source community. Well respected and extremely knowledgable, he was often sought after for advice which he readily dispersed. Raj loved to have fun and encouraged everyone around him to do the same. He loved his food, his movies, his music and being with friends and family. A brilliant hacker and much respected for his pioneering work, he will be missed by one and all. Rest in peace, Raj Oldmonk Mathur. -- ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Increasing fonts of the website dynamically
From: Rakesh Kumar kumar3...@gmail.com How can i put font attribute in the body tag when my page is using different fonts at different place. I @Swapnil... I am not using any CMS but php code itself. For the time being i have done it by creating different CSSs but this doesn't seem to be very logical for varying font size. -- Doing this required a CSS change on your side. If you look at the mit.nic.in website, adding a 'font-size: 1em' to the body tag changes the page as you'd like. Try it out on firebug or chrome developer tools. The main object here is - specify a font-size in the body, and have all the other font-sizes on the page be percentages or ems. - Viksit ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Increasing fonts of the website dynamically
- Original Message - From: Rakesh Kumar kumar3...@gmail.com To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Cc: Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:27 AM Subject: [ilugd] Increasing fonts of the website dynamically Hi All, We are working on a web project and we have been asked to develop this in such a way that visitors can change the site's font dynamically as they wish. This is a reference site, please take a look and help- http://www.mit.gov.in. In the mean time i am also googling it. First i thought to create different CSSs for this but this doesn't seem to be helpful in this case because this site saves the font size you have set once. Your best bet is to add a font-size CSS element to the body of your website, and use Javascript to increase and decrease the value, mapped to + or - links. - Viksit ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Help me for a project
Actually, that account is dead for some reason. Your best bets are to check out the open source community - see some projects that excite you, figure out how they could be made better, and then contact the developers with a proposal on what you'd like to do. - Viksit -- Viksit Gaur http://viksit.com --- On Mon, 7/26/10, Nandeep Mali n9986.m...@gmail.com wrote: From: Nandeep Mali n9986.m...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ilugd] Help me for a project To: pkb...@yahoo.co.in Cc: Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 4:45 PM Kindly read: http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/i-want-2-do-project-tell-me-wat-2-do.pdf (Courtesy: Shakti Kannan [mbuf]) --- n9986 ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] 'Active - Active MYSQL
--- On Sat, 7/24/10, Anand Kapoor anand...@gmail.com wrote: Could somebody point me to the best place to get started if both nodes of a MYSQL cluster need to be active. Ideally, something like http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/mysql-cluster-for-two-servers.html Investigate using a load balancer in such a case. Also how best to achieve this if the instances are segregated over the WAN ? Thats fraught with risks. Remember that a dropped TCP/IP connection is essentially a node failure as far as mysql is concerned. The network partitioning itself will have to be tuned. So you're looking at a very unreliable connection over a WAN. Clustering over different subnets is never really recommended. IIRC, you can set a connection between ndbd nodes with some localization options - but MySQL unlike actual distributed databases like Cassandra or MongoDB doesn't have a method to choose which node to access in the event one dies. So you'd have to build that logic yourself keeping in mind your localization needs. Cheers Viksit -- Viksit Gaur http://viksit.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Determining total bandwidth use by a network interface
Hi all, Is there a method to figure out how much data has been handled by a particular network interface on a machine since a new OS was installed or over a given span of time? The machine *has* rebooted a few times over the last year, so any logs that are temporary are gone now. It runs Ubuntu Feisty. Do NICs themselves store this data in some form? Could the the OS do so without having switched on any explicit logging? In either case, what would be a good tool to use to do this? Cheers Viksit ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Determining total bandwidth use by a network interface
--- On Thu, 10/2/08, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you need Network monitor desklet Thanks. I was talking more in terms of a command line access method though - this is a server that doesn't run X. Also, does the network monitor app keep track of ALL data I/O, ever? Or is it limited by certain factors? Cheers Viksit On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Viksit Gaur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Is there a method to figure out how much data has been handled by a particular network interface on a machine since a new OS was installed or over a given span of time? The machine *has* rebooted a few times over the last year, so any logs that are temporary are gone now. It runs Ubuntu Feisty. Do NICs themselves store this data in some form? Could the the OS do so without having switched on any explicit logging? In either case, what would be a good tool to use to do this? Cheers Viksit ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ http://www.lug-iitd.org └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Licences and all that
--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Topics that may be interesting to discuss include: - RPC/SOAP/equivalents Hmm, why did you classify RPC/SOAP as a separate category for this discussion? I'd have assumed it falls in with web services and the like? Also, I like the idea about discussing GoI/FOSS standards. Does anyone know if there is a central body which can lay down such laws? (NIC perhaps? or is it the Ministry of IT in conjunction with a bunch of other orgs?) - Viksit ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: Change of timezone City for India
Oh good lord, the entire list is aflame. Oh wait, no its just the regular flamers who're flaming. India has only one timezone. I woulid like to suggest to change the city to Delhi (from Calcutta), which is the capital of India, and has been stable since the country's independence in 1947. If your criteria is the most populous city, it would be Mumbai (formerly Bombay). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_populous_cities_in_India I think a decision needs to be made on the basis of how other countries with single timezones handle this issue. Personally, I think a change to Delhi seems like the logical thing to do, given that it IS the political capital of the country - no matter how important other cities in the country may be. - Viksit ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] convert ?
Hello, --- Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the meantime I'm strongly tempted to request Kishore to consider banning all mails that contain the text ``Sent from my handheld crackberry'' or whatever, since I've yet to see one of those which contains etiquette instead of of advertising. Heh, and risk alienating those users from the mailing list? :) Nooo. - Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] How to use Google map plugin in Joomla ?
Hello, --- vaibhav khatavkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Firstly i will have to sign up Google Map API Key so as to get map getting display ... Yes, thats right. You'll need to sign up for an API for this. problem is here. .. i will have to give my website url to generate key ... what url do i give there ??? Simplest way to do this would be to modify your apache conf to map a local url to your localhost. Just go to /etc/hosts and map it in this fashion, 127.0.0.1localhostmyhost.foo.com and then get the key for http://myhost.foo.com . Make sure that the name is really unique, since a lot of people have probably used this hack - using your name with some other unique words is a good idea. Remember, if you're using lampp, then you probably want http://myhost.foo.com to point to the htdocs directly. Cheers, Viksit OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] free vs paid operating systems
Lets put the humor aside for a minute shall we? :) --- Samal B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shall we opt for linux as it is freely down loadable as there is a feeling among people that anything that is free is not genuine (not as good as something that commands a high price)? It depends on how you define reliable. A solid piece of software with defects that are the same, if not less than something you would pay for? Then yes, Linux is as reliable as Windows. If you're looking for customer support like Microsoft provides, you'd be happy with Linux too, since companies like Red Hat, SuSE and others provide such support services - for a price. That said, the world's most popular web server (Apache) was written, and is mostly deployed on Linux (or similar OSes). And yes, most people who run it use the free version because there IS no paid version to speak of. - Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter
Niyam, As per ILUG-D's long standing rule, you're nominated for the following: - Set up ilugd presence on all the sites mentioned below :) Go forth and sign up! --- Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it possible to set up an ilug-d presence of twitter? facebook? other more contemporary media?: let's surely go ahead and do it? can anyone set up (fund?) a group sms subscriber service as well, which sends one sms tip a day or something? ilug-d on youtube? ilug-d podcasts? ilug-d myspace? ilug-d placeholder let's go for it! -- Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [bash] what a fork bomb!
Hullo,
Responses inline.
--- tuxdna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:(){ :|: };:
: is a Bash Shell's no-op ( no operation ) literal,
which can be used
as 'true' also.
Hmm, I've never heard the character : referred to as
such. Perhaps someone can comment on this, although I
doubt this is the case. IMO, the use of : is just to
obfuscate the fact that its a function name - it could
as easily be a or b or c, or fun.
If that were the case, things would look familiar I'd
expect -
:(){ :|: };:
fun( { fun|fun };fun
Declare function fun which calls itself and pipes the
output into another background process. The last
invocation of fun after the ; starts the entire thing.
[shell]$ :(){ echo in background }
works?
[shell]$ :(){ echo in background } -- NOTE: no
ampersand( ) here!
Try it with a semi colon. :(){ echo foo; };
In the case without the ; inside - its a background
process, being given as a single command. Its
interpreted the same way you'd write
$ echo foo
without a ;. But in a for or do loop - you'd need the
; to end the line.
Whats interesting here is how the :|: is being used -
this exponentially increases the number of processes
spawned! Basically, pipes the output of one : into the
other background process..
Cheers,
Viksit
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Re: [ilugd] [bash] what a fork bomb!
--- Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From man bash: : [arguments] No effect; the command does nothing beyond expanding arguments and performing any specified redirections. A zero exit code is returned. So effectively a no-op returning true. I use constructs of the form while : ; do ... done to make effectively infinite looks all the time. Ah, interesting. Thanks. -- Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] (no subject)
Wow. Thats heartfelt, eh? For someone who professes to be well versed with the human psyche, I'd say you've done a terrible job interpreting whats been happening on this list. Respones inline. --- Priya Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At one end, you kick out a lurker who wants to reach out and contact one-to-one with the group-- for sending a single off-topic message. I don't think anyone's kicking out a lurker - there are hundreds on this list. For a statement to have been made so forcefully - have you even checked with the person about why he's quitting? Personally I want to ask-- if connecting with like-minded people through social networking sites is so bad, how come Barack Obama has a website and a myspace page ? I don't get the reference here. Social networks are meant for people to connect with each other based on common interests - something a presidential hopeful would like to tap on his bid to get elected. But how does that even compare with a list where discussions are mostly about solving problems within a community, related to a particular topic? Mailing lists have always had guidelines - some unwritten, and people are expected to follow them. Most times, they're enforced by list users rather than an officious sounding moderator, who then needs to step in only in the most extreme cases. Instead of revelling in such total groupism-- cursing the darkness- and then looking for people to kick out-- you people should ask yourself if there's a way to be more helpful to people who would otherwise be discouraged-- like the guy in a US university-- who wanted to take classes in Delhi-- but who was totally discouraged by the individual who in trying to show off his wit and intelligence insisted on foisting himself upon him. Wow. Really, I'll have to hand it to you - you come across thinking you're standing on a pedestal crying out for common good, but you don't bother to check facts? Not only do I think you interpreted that email wrongly - which I believe was sent out in full honesty - you came out in force *Against* it. Astounding. and that too a whole group of males ? Erk, approaching murky waters. Lets not go in there shall we? Having seen professionally-- the bad results such groupism brings upon organizations-- I am sure this group would fare no differently. Have you seen this group professionally then? Interesting. And what are your conclusions on such empirical analysis? Gora ? if you are a 20-something youngster from some small town- then stop being a frog who even after being released in the ocean tries to carry his vision of his well with him-- in time you'll realize it's not healthy- and believe me you, I am professionally qualified to judge what constitutes mental health and what doesnt. Haha. As much as Gora would appreciate being mistaken for a 20 year old, I really don't think making assumptions and debasing statements about someone you've obviously never met - is a good idea on a public list. -- Viksit Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] November Meet
Date :- 11th Nov(sun), 13th Nov(Tue) , 18th Nov (Sun) ...Suggestions Venue :- Suggestions ... If its on the 18th - I can make it too - I vote for it! -- Viksit Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] How much would this compromise security?
Hullo, --- Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting article on Slashdot http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/11/12/1528211.shtml Compromising security - in a nutshell, this would probably mean that anyone with enough computing power would probably be able to crack SSL keys by brute force. To give some perspective, the now defunct DES standard was cracked within a week by a none too expensive (tens of thousands of USD) machine. And the cryptanalysis of DES requires a time complexity of around 2^40. The microsoft standard requires about 2^23 - an order of magnitude smaller. Something which uses FPGAs optimized for cryptanalysis can probably be built much cheaper, and could do it much faster. The implications? Considering the botnet - STORM, a favored spamming solution today based in Russia, which has about a 100,000 machines at the very least - it would take much, MUCH less to crack this. That said, the Linux PRNG (Pseudo Random Number Generator) is vulnerable to DOS attacks, but thankfully keeps its algorithm dumps in kernel space rather than user space, which is what allowed this to be reverse engineered easily in the first place! Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Online activity declining in linux-delhi/linux-india
Hello hello, Not to fan the flames too much, but this I have to ask about.. --- Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as the lack of traffic on the ilug lists is concerned, ilug was shot down by atul chitnis long ago. Uh, what was? it is just a question of the other big dadas in the foss movement joining them to make it viable - srs, idg, gn - are you listening? Even going by the loquacious standards you set, the above sentence was *pretty* hard to understand. Make what viable? Joining hands? to do what exactly? Constructive criticism is one thing, but a rather weak 'call to arms to rally forth your forces' and beat the scourge of proprietary software - seems outmoded to me. - Viksit __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Freed] Minutes of Freed 2007 necropsy
Hullo, --- Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: o Have fewer tracks, and more focussed, higher-quality talks. +1 I was overwhelmed by the number of talks there were this year, which is not always a bad thing :) Are the presentations up someplace yet, btw? 4. We will actively approach various people from outside Delhi to be remote organisers, participating in things like talk selection, outreach, etc. If you would like to nominate yourself for this, please send mail to the freed mailing list (copied on this message). I do hereby nominate the undersigned for the above. ;) -- Viksit Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] LAP or Linux Access Project, Delhi ILUG
--- Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone kindly point me to some follow up on this initiative? Just writing on the topic. Thanks! FN AFAIR, this was something started a few years ago - perhaps 2001 or 2002. And the website which used to run on lap.linux-delhi.org is offline, and so is the project. Supreet and Gami or Prateek - if they're still on this list - might comment :) How old an issue of LFY is this? or has it been restarted? - Viksit The Delhi chapter of the Indian Linux Users Groups, ILUG-D, has started a project named LAP. LAP or Linux Access Project is a project started at Linux Delhi to provide an infrastructure to schools to shift over their computer labs on to open source software, explains Supreet Sethi, a member of LAP. [Source: LFY] Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
--- Anand Shankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it not have been more useful if we had first found that there is ALREADY an existing wikipedia link to ilugd, made it more useful in terms of broader activities we do and then have a specific mention of freedel / freed. As it is now, there are three entries on wikipedia one with ilugd, second one with freedel and the third on freed.in. Not in my opinion. Keeping in mind the tenets of data normalization, three separate entities which refer to each other make for better organization and future expandability. Would you club the World Cup article with FIFA's? Can we see the these pages now and re-ponder on the debate we had and points raised by Kenneth? Do you *really* want to? :) - Viksit Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
Good LORD! Gotta love discussions on issues which require about 15 minutes to fix, and perhaps double that typing out philosophies on why not to. Kenneth - your opinions on this matter, imho, are rather baseless. Wikipedia does have issues against original research, but NOT articles which cite references - (to pages outside of wikipedia as a primary source of information). Of course, keeping them NPOV (Neutral Point of view) is an art, which I do agree a lot of potential article authors are not well versed with. As for articles with 'comments' attached - thats the general rule on any encyclopaedia. You cite references before you make claims, and automated bots/human editors run around on the website, checking whether these things are done or not. Its the norm, not the exception. Note to whoever made logos (Niyam?) - Please attribute a license to them, and change it on the images page on the (updated) wikipedia article. And mention it on the freed.in website too. Perhaps a press kit would be a good idea - logos, and a small blurb ready made for anyone who wants to cover it. - Viksit --- Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do any of the other articles have these comments attached? Instead of sounding off - try to understand that wikipedia insists that all materials on wikipedia *must* be secondary information and not primary information. Wikipedia strongly opposes original material. And this blatant advertising for freed is just going to confirm the opinion held in many places that we are a nation of jerks. i agree with raj's comment below, to what kenneth says in the para above. look forward to kenneth making a positive contribution to wikipedia, and thereby with his own hands undoing the image of india *kenneth perceives* gets projected abroad with well-meaning and perhaps poorly-implemented wikipedia entries. ok kenneth you do that, and in celebration of YOUR effort and initiative, i'll celebrate kenneth's positive small contribution to the community with a round of samosas and chai at the next ilug-D meeting, being held this sunday. am sure kishore will be very happy to click and publish photos of those attending ilug-d, commemorating your pitching-in and helping the community and freed.in in a positive, constructive way. thanks also for sharing with us on how we can contribute in the right way to wikipedia. please lead us all by example. OK, since you appear to be most concerned about India's image, why don't you fix issues with the article (and thereby improve the global perception of India and Indians)? er.. kenneth's perception of (perception of india and indians). if wikipedia moderated publicly-archived emails to a mailing list, i'm sure they'd add their customary '[citation needed]'. :-) niyam Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
Oh, and did I mention the updated article now lives at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freed.in, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freed is a disambiguation page, which points to the former, amongst other things? Right, I just did. --- Viksit Gaur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good LORD! Gotta love discussions on issues which require about 15 minutes to fix, and perhaps double that typing out philosophies on why not to. Kenneth - your opinions on this matter, imho, are rather baseless. Wikipedia does have issues against original research, but NOT articles which cite references - (to pages outside of wikipedia as a primary source of information). Of course, keeping them NPOV (Neutral Point of view) is an art, which I do agree a lot of potential article authors are not well versed with. As for articles with 'comments' attached - thats the general rule on any encyclopaedia. You cite references before you make claims, and automated bots/human editors run around on the website, checking whether these things are done or not. Its the norm, not the exception. Note to whoever made logos (Niyam?) - Please attribute a license to them, and change it on the images page on the (updated) wikipedia article. And mention it on the freed.in website too. Perhaps a press kit would be a good idea - logos, and a small blurb ready made for anyone who wants to cover it. - Viksit --- Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do any of the other articles have these comments attached? Instead of sounding off - try to understand that wikipedia insists that all materials on wikipedia *must* be secondary information and not primary information. Wikipedia strongly opposes original material. And this blatant advertising for freed is just going to confirm the opinion held in many places that we are a nation of jerks. i agree with raj's comment below, to what kenneth says in the para above. look forward to kenneth making a positive contribution to wikipedia, and thereby with his own hands undoing the image of india *kenneth perceives* gets projected abroad with well-meaning and perhaps poorly-implemented wikipedia entries. ok kenneth you do that, and in celebration of YOUR effort and initiative, i'll celebrate kenneth's positive small contribution to the community with a round of samosas and chai at the next ilug-D meeting, being held this sunday. am sure kishore will be very happy to click and publish photos of those attending ilug-d, commemorating your pitching-in and helping the community and freed.in in a positive, constructive way. thanks also for sharing with us on how we can contribute in the right way to wikipedia. please lead us all by example. OK, since you appear to be most concerned about India's image, why don't you fix issues with the article (and thereby improve the global perception of India and Indians)? er.. kenneth's perception of (perception of india and indians). if wikipedia moderated publicly-archived emails to a mailing list, i'm sure they'd add their customary '[citation needed]'. :-) niyam Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com
Re: [ilugd] PGDP Proofreading Interface
Hello, --- das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone please suggest exactly what to do if we want to use this thing, or, will it be too much for people like me, without any developing skills, except a few bash scripts for very minor demands, to try to do this at all? And if I/we want to do this, what things exactly we will have to learn? If you download the file and check inside the 'SETUP' directory - there's a set of installation instructions in a txt file. Good place to start. I see that is requires you to install a bunch of libraries and applications, such as MySQL and others. To do this - you'd need a working knowledge of configuring and installing apps on linux, as well as going through config files, editing them, and some very basic SQL too. But if you can manage that, I'd say an hour of trials should have you set pretty soon. As for what you'd need to learn - reading installation.txt and then doing a web search for anything you don't understand and learning it - probably the best way to go. There's also the #linux-india channel on Freenode where you can ask questions if you get stuck. Good Luck! -- Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Dual monitors with 2 graphics cards on one machine?
Hello all, I was trying to set up a system which would allow me to use two different monitors on one machine - basically, extend my current desktop across two monitors. Since I don't have (and don't want to buy) a dual head, I thought I'd fix up an older Nvidia card into this machine which already has an intel integrated chipset. Has anyone done something like this before? Trawling the web, I found a couple of links on the Ubuntu forums (I'm using feisty fawn) - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2711426 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174 The only issue is that most of these have been tried with similar cards - Nvidia/ATI et al. No one seems to have tried it with an Intel and an Nvidia card. (My Nvidia is a viper 770, which was lying around somewhere, and the Intel is a 945G) Further, out of the possible options - Xinerama, MergedFB, BigDesktop and TwinView - might anyone have recommendations based on experiences on which is most suitable? Cheers! Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Opening up participation in ILUG-D decision making
Hey, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time and again, there have been expressions on this list that management decisions in ILUG-Delhi are taken behind closed doors. Not true. Most of those assumptions might have been made by people who were not aware of how things happen at ILUG-d and the details of the entire decision making process. So, rather than griping about it, how about some concrete Fine job not griping ;) proposals to change this? Please follow up on the list with your ideas on how decision-making could be more open and participatory, and I will volunteer to collate the responses, and post a synopsis. Fair enough. A public agenda as has been mentioned by a couple of other people looks like a good place to start. Video conferencing has its disadvantages - at the very least, meetings where potentially important decisions will be made can be streamed using some free service or the other, using a simple setup. I don't see that being a problem if there's enough bandwidth to go around. Audio recordings have problems - editing them will be painful. Anyway, I see this thread started as a response to one I initiated about the name changes for Freed/Freedel. Well, I justify my question in _this particular case_ because, as I recall, no prior notices were sent out, and the list was out of the loop. Not that this should be taken as the norm by everyone - I know its not, but I found a discrepancy and addressed it. And I'd do it again in a jiffy :) But the important thing is, that it evoked a reaction big enough for steps to be considered and taken, which I think highlights the openness for all to see. Cheers Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed 2007 - Thoughts on the name?
: ..dictate) would be to go with Freed as long as most (see comment on democracy) of us feel that this does represent most (see comment on democracy) of the views... == Fair enough. gora: In my opinion, both of you have looked only at the name, and not the associated tagline: Freedom in technology and software. == I did see that. But you see, thats the *tag line*. When you design a poster, Freed stands out. The tag line isn't exactly that visible at first pass. But anyway, I can see how that would help. Logo change incorporate this too? That way, we could aim at say, OSS or the wider version of freedom. you guys derive the idea that the name says that what we are talking about is a one-time thing, nor how it implies that we have already achieved software freedom. oh I see what you mean. That we were freed in 2007? :) Not at all! Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] When numbers are outlawed, only outlaws will be numerate
Yo! --- Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5. Apparently, people have also put the numbers to music, but I do not have a link. Here: http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Original_Song_uses_HD_DVD_code_as_lyrics Speaking of Digg - http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/05/02/0235228.shtml talks about the Digg censorship because of their tieups with the AACS and the HD-DVD lobby. Their offices as of Saturday night were clamped down and they had *Security Guards* outside :) (They're right next to a very unfashionable part of San Francisco) 09 f9 11 02 9d 74 e3 5b d8 41 56 c5 63 56 88 C0 Oh, this is easy. In row major order[1], these numbers are the answers to the following questions: 1. Directory assistance service number in Moscow, Russia... 2. A function key on a computer keyboard following F8 and preceding F10... 3. Yao Ming's (Houston Rockets) jersey number...? 4. Scientific symbol for molecular oxygen also known as dioxygen...? 5. Number of New York state route also known as a Rear Mountain-Beacon Highway...? 6. Number of U.S. interstate that runs from Iowa to Ohio...? 7. Non immigrant visa allowing Australian citizens to live and work in the United States...? 8. Number of vertebrate animal form, required for all research Involving vertebrate animals that is conducted in a regulated research institution...? 9. The eight-sided die is also known as...? 10. The international direct dialing code for Switzerland...? 11. The number of consecutive games in which Joe DiMaggio had a base hit in 1941 (still a record)...? 12. The fifth generation of the Chevrolet Corvette sports car is known as...? 13. NBA playoff record for most points scored in a playoff game, achieved by Michael Jordan in 1986, is...? 14. The number of men who signed the United States declaration of Independence in 1776...? 15. Atomic number of radium...? 16. lATA code for Centralwings Airline...? Have fun cracking your dreams! ;) -- Viksit [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Row-major_order -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Moving the ILUGD planet to linux-delhi.org
--- Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, question for the list: do you want a planet? Sure. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Wikis, e-zines and collaboration at ILUG-D
--- Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you realise who you are talking to? No. And frankly, I couldn't be bothered to google everyone I exchange emails with on the off chance that they're not gassing. You have someone who's done tons for a particular cause - but at the time of speaking, hadn't done anything for the ILUG-D effort. But lets get this argument go, shall we Mr. G? Shakthi Wrote Hence, I initiated the Area 44 idea to distribute pamphlets in metropolitan cities (where commuting is a problem): http://chennailug.org/wiki/?title=Area_44 We'll start one for Delhi, Area 11 ? Yes, that does sound like a good idea. I'm not quite sure what the BOM idea was, but perhaps you can layout some sort of an action plan and spew forth ideas on things like - - What will the pamphlets cover - general wiki use? OSS/Linux in general? - Where are these distributed? - Who distributes them? - Whats the target audience? - Costs involved in printing them? - Possibly people in Delhi who will act as volunteers? And finally, the big question - where is all this going? Educating the masses? Getting people knowledge about a particular resource? Spreading word about OSS/Linux? Cheers Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Wikis, e-zines and collaboration at ILUG-D
That is something advocacy should take care of, by FOSS members. Web crawlers are also useful in this regard ... (1) How exactly do you see web crawlers advocating a new resource to newbies? Don't you think they need something to crawl first, possibly pages which talk about what the new resource is and how it should be used? When I say advocacy - I mean taking concrete steps to _Actually_ advocate whatever you mentioned. Lets see you _do_ it. See further statements for what I mean. ... and how many people across India _use_ or connect to the Internet? Of course, I assumed you were savvy enough to realize that I meant those who have access to a computer and the web. You're *obviously* not going to go ask farmers in Mizoram whether they use wikis or not. We're talking about people who attend events like Freedel, Foss.in, various OSS conferences, people who are web savvy, Linux and OSS savvy, and know what we're talking about. Don't overgeneralize. 1. Advocacy. 2. Advocacy. 3. Adovcacy. This is what I call trolling. We _Know_ you want to advocate this. HOW do you suggest we advocate? TV ads? More email messages? IRC conversations? Pamphlets? Lets have a list of concrete steps. That is what most Indians in India do, ask someone else to do or put the blame on others. Not new to me :) Yes, and you've just established yourself as their leader. Instead of taking a dig at people, and giving us a valid but completely useless list, maybe you can provide us with a list of things to actually do. Assume we're clueless and look upon you for enlightenment. Seriously. Why don't _you_ step out from the ranks of what you assume are people with no initiative and show some yourself? -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Initiatives at ILUGD
What is a delhi wiki anyway? Yes. What IS a/'the' Delhi Wiki, Kenneth? The idea of information exchange is to centralize things, not have each person set up a wiki. Before you go ahead and announce yet another wiki at http://site/wiki - do check up and see what options already exist. The ones I'm aware of - -Lug Delhi Wiki -Linux-Delhi CMS has a module of that sort -twiki running on linux-delhi.org it with original content. I termed it an unofficial wiki, because it didn't have the official' sanction of the people. I'm not sure what you mean by official sanction of the people. It could be as simple as putting a link on to the IRC channel. A link on the linux-delhi front page. A couple of emails about the wiki being used for purpose X. What IS purpose X? - Perhaps the e-zine? What we *should* do is propagate the fact that the lug-delhi wiki a user contributed knowledge storehouse. The twiki on linux-delhi could be used for LUG activities, such as project planning et al. Something like the freedel wiki, except that freedel is on a larger scale. Hereon, every thing which needs to be put up goes on to one of the two places. The question isn't of gaining official sanction, its of gaining momentum with the masses. Talk about how you can REACH the masses. Chances are, that apart from say 20 people in ILUGD who've been around long enough, not too many have heard of it. Make them aware of it. How? Things mentioned above should be a good start. Cheers Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Wikis, e-zines and collaboration at ILUG-D
Hi, This is to start a new thread to follow up on the Initiatives at ILUG-D email. As I can see now, the twiki which used to exist on linux-delhi doesn't anymore. Question: Do we need such a wiki on linux-delhi.org? - How many people would use it? -- Well? - What would they use it for? -- Perhaps official LUG project planning. Esp those which don't have their own domain name/website. Lug-delhi.org is the collaborative website which runs MoinMoin, a python based wiki framework. For the people who wanted to launch the e-zine : - Start off another section of the wiki - Embellish it all you want, customize the wiki so that it looks more like a zine - Add content, invite content from ilug-d members - Post results As for using this for other things - it depends on the number of people who're interested in this. You find a new way of doing something, put it on your blog/website, and add it as an article on the Wiki too. IF you've searched the lug-archives for a solution and find one, write it up nice and proper and put it up. The wiki is going to go nowhere unless a lot of users begin to use it to do things. Anyone who has a blog and wants to publicize it should go add themselves on the planet. As for the Official sanction for the lug-delhi website and resources, why not just put a link in a few places on the website (linux-delhi.org)? Considering that ILUG-d members should start using it, thats sanction enough. Suggestions welcome of course. Cheers Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Wikis, e-zines and collaboration at ILUG-D
--- Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should not matter. Oh? So you put something up without knowing if its ever going to be used at all? group or wiki, which the Indian community (that I have seen) at large are not exposed to, Really? Which 'Indian' community are you talking about? Wikis are by far the most popular means of putting up information on the internet, more so than most other CMSs around. People know and have worked with them - and even if not, its no rocket science. Assimilation of information and putting it to use depends on whether people have real NEED for it. Which is what we were trying to establish in the first place. It is also *essential* for the members to guide/advocate to the newbies about the user group and wiki. Uh yes. Why don't you provide further steps on how we could possibly do that? Put them up on a wiki, maybe. Trust me on this one. Golly, I *just might*. But only on this one. 1. Documentation. 2. Resource/event planning. 3. Announcements. 4. Information. Yes, You've hit the nail right on the head. Reasons for usage. Establish those, and the wiki usage will grow. The wiki is going to go nowhere unless a lot of users begin to use it to do things. Not really. Using it do things includes reading it for whatever purposes. but, when we start, we start Lets just start first. And then decide whether its a big start or a small start. -- Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Initiatives at ILUGD
wasnt aware of this - I asked Raj Mathur where the delhi wiki was and he said that the wasnt a wiki Actually, lap.linux-delhi.org used to run twiki. I don't know what happened to it, but anyway. looks like no one is interested in the e-zine idea anyway Firstly, how do you jump to this conclusion? Has the wiki been setup and failed? Have people not come forward to put up information yet? Have there been calls for articles for the e-zine on the list, which have not been responded to? Does Atul or whoever wanted to set up the zine gone and put up a page which says Linux-Delhi.org E-Zine? As far as I'm concerned, things haven't even _started_ yet, let alone being branded a failure. Secondly, there is a dire need to stop thinking provincially. So the e-zine idea falls through. Pity. But atleast people are now aware of a resource which wasn't as known before, and might put it to good use the next time something like this comes up. --Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Initiatives at ILUGD
--- atul jha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah even i think so.no real takers for my idea here.i had planned everything for it. :( Dude. Have you even started doing anything on the wiki? -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Ilugd Mailing Contributions
I always knew Raj spammed ilug-d much more than was for good for him.. but Sudev took over? THAT I didn't know. :) Wow. Lovely seeing the d00d3ttz thread being the single most important thread in the one year history of ilug-d. :P goodness, got to start things up like that again.. flamewars anyone? --Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux Asia 2007 and Freedel 2007
Hullo, --- Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - - Linux Asia 2007 to be held on Jan 31, Feb 1, 2. Ownership of LA to be with FOSII (Forum for Open Source Initiatives In India, which shall consist of LFY, people from industry, ILUGD, other eminent members, tc.) Excellent. Nothing like the flag of acceptability to make things hunky dory. For LFY that is. - - ILUGD to be key drivers for the technology.innovation track of LinuxAsia. Hmm, how exactly is technology and innovation being defined here? Strictly open source technology? or would you also have things which are related to Linux, and use it as a platform to implement or drive technology? [Virtualization for instance. Video processing (TiVO?). Robots running Linux or derivatives. You get the idea..] To suggest and invite top speakers (national and international) for day 2 and day 3 sessions. So, I assume you cant apply to speak at the event unless invited. Bummer. - - Give heavily discounted entry to students and ILUGD members. Whew. Finally. - - ILUGD to get equal branding with all members of FOSII for the event. About time too. Lets hope things turn out as decided on paper! Cheers -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Freedel website?
Are we - Running a CMS? - Approving designs which look good? Inviting designs from people who might be interested? - Possibly doing some logo changes for the event to reflect a more professional event? - Putting up a Wiki for comments? ? Of course, I don't automatically volunteer till I get answers. -- Viksit Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: [jmilug] Microsoft's Halloween Documents
--- saleem ansari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they couldn't make good software, they tried to combat open source. Prophetic words. Just about 8 years late though. -- Viksit Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Fedora core 6 DVDs/CD?
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone attending the ILUG-D meet tomorrow could bring along a copy of the FC6 DVD/CDs? I think Andrew from JNU was talking about it on a previous thread.. Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit[dot]gaur[at]yale[dot]edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mozilla Firefox not brosing VS.net website
Vijay Thakur wrote: I have a website made in visual studio.net. This site is working very fine with Internet Explorer. But I am not able to explore the site in linux browser Mozila Firefox Windows Version) installed in Microst Windows XP. Let me know the problem. Good God! Stop with the flames already. Its true that Mr. Thakur hasn't given ANY information which can be used to answer his question - what the error is, what the URL is and blah. A simple answer here however, is that your website uses proprietary microsoft technologies which can only be rendered by proprietary browsers which aren't too standards compatible. To make your site work on other OSs or browsers, read about how to make a standards compliant website.. Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit[dot]gaur[at]yale[dot]edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ http://freedel.in - September 16-17, 2006
Re: [ilugd] Query: Drag and Drop Javscript
Yahoo! Developer network, has a bunch[1] of User Interface stuff released under the BSD license. It includes a very simple to use Drag and drop[2] API. But not the most bug free/feature full version available imho :) I would assume its also bulky. Mochi and WZ_Drag_Drop work well if thats all's needed.. Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit[dot]gaur[at]yale[dot]edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: [rkgit] Fwd: Programming workshop
Aargh. This message must've come on to this list about ten times. What the heck is that all about? --Viksit Gaur viksit[dot]gaur[at]yale[dot]edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett - Original Message From: Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ilugd ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:30:57 AM Subject: [ilugd] Fwd: [rkgit] Fwd: Programming workshop -- Forwarded message -- From: Ashutosh Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: May 9, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [rkgit] Fwd: [ilugd] Programming workshop To: gaurav mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED] hi , I am a student of B.Tech. Computer Science Engg. in Raj Kumar Goel Institute of Technology, Ghaziabad. I am completing my third year in the end of this session.I am highly interested in this project but now a days my end semester examinations are going on which will finished till 1 june.kindly give me some more information about this project Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: May 4, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: [ilugd] Programming workshop To: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Hi, ILUGD and a Delhi-based University are planning to jointly organise a Bioinformatics programming workshop. The workshop is planned for 6 weeks beginning in early June. If you are a student with some programming skills, you are invited to join the coding team at the workshop. You would be working closely with the subject-matter (Bioinformatics) experts to develop FLOSS applications in that field. At the end of the project you would receive a certificate from the University and, if things work out, a nominal stipend. A prior knowledge of Bioinformatics is not required. If you have extensive design, coding and/or training experience, you can join the workshop mentorship team. The mentors would be expected to spend at least 2 days a week for 6 weeks assisting the coding teams with design and programming inputs. Initially those mentors who have training experience would be expected to conduct basic programming workshops in Perl, C, C++, Python and perhaps Java. Some payment would be made for mentorship inputs. We're meeting up tomorrow (Friday, May 5) at 7pm at my place to thrash out the details. Please join in if you're interested. Agenda:First-cut discussions on Bioinformatics Workshop Date: Friday, May 5 Time: 19:00 (7pm) Venue: BB/3G DDA Flats Munirka Contact: Gora (9868527992) or me (9811066460) All are invited. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward Linux User #348873 http://rockybhai.blogspot.com SPONSORED LINKS Home school education Graduate school education School education in california New york school education Middle school education High school education YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group rkgit on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new. Click here Send instant messages to your online friends - NOW -- When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward Linux User #348873 http://rockybhai.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] LinuxAsia 200x and Linux Delhi
Fond memories at the mention of Linux Asia.. Was it just a year and two ago that we had Smoke on the Water playing till it hurt, and trying to get in to the wifi networks? Was it the time when the Linux Delhi stall was the best thing which happened since sliced bread? And statistics which really pointed to a higher number of people at the LUG stall than the actual conference itself? All of them couldn't have been the hanger-ons! Photo http://photobucket.com/albums/v463/viksit/?action=viewcurrent=DSC00028.jpg /Photo Winter mornings and 6am watches on computers and other equipment - late night dinners at defence (colony) establishments (anyone heard from AshLin?) - and funky after parties involving funny slashdot founders and guitar playing hackers? Demos of technologies which were to affect a number of companies and people, and the entire bunch of volunteers from across the city who helped out.. Demos of awesome graphics and cool games, coupled with T-Shirts featuring phenomenal captions.. Banners with overtly dressed penguins, and intense discussions on why samosas are bad for lunch.. So what if these things arent happening this year - no one stands to lose out do they? Just because a conference and its organizers (are asinine enough to) refuse to accept or even acknowledge what is probably one of the most active linux communities in the country.. the spirit doesn't go away. Which is not to say the conference won't benefit anyone. Sure it will. Go attend it, and learn from it. Just keep in mind that there are certain issues here which are ideological and political in nature, rather than realistic. There will be more events - more banner designers, more volunteers to get coffee, more wifi hacking, guitar playing and parties, and more importantly, (this is being cached by google), platforms which showcase and mean a lot more to the community than a conference which is so obviously .. er, commercial? End Rant Viksit --- Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear all, less than a week left for the launch of linuxasia2006 on feb 8th.. that's six days away. http://linuxasia2006.com what's up? viksit, you in town, helping with banners? raj, you've got your fsf and ilug-d teeshirts ready? vivek, distros in hand to sell at Rs 25 or Rs 50? kishore, counting the contributions and cash already? sudev, ltsp up and running? mary, got some snazzy demos ready? anandshankar, what's your take this time? sandip, you in town? surpreet, any cool new compilers to talk about? sartaj, kde kitthey? arjun, whazzup? [man! the list of the tireless crew is endless, add your names here!] is fsf-india coming this year too? is amitabh in town to bring along his guitar to jam? is brian behlendorf coming? ? niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Connecting to VPN in office
You might want to try pptpclient (http://pptpclient.sf.net). It allows use of MPPE (M$ Point to Point encryption) as a kernel modulde, if your VPN server needs it. Works rather well too! Viksit --- Tanveer Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/13/06, Nishant Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tanveer, How to do it in Linux. Is there a ready VPN client You can use vpnc. The only issue is that re-keying is not supported. So, your VPN is connected for 8 hrs at a stretch and then you will have to reconnect it. regards, Nishant I tried using VPNC. But got confised at what all to give. In windows I just give a username and password. I trid kvpnc also and in the connection type I filled in PPTP. But apart from my company server IP it also has network etc., fields which are not there when I configure connection for windows. Any HOWTO available for the same? ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Viksit Gaur viksit[dot]gaur[at]yale[dot]edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] COMMENT: Google may not go Simputer way
very well to have spanking new hardware which can do wonders for your cost estimates, but what about stuff to run on it? year!!! These simple things can be done in easier ways by using thin clients. They don't need machines good enough to play The Sims or churn code for them. They just want to use them for research and projects :) Well, my example was, again, for home users. How many of them do research? You might refer to an encyclopaedia, for multimedia content. Or educational software. Games and things do form an important area of use. But, why would a household spend money on say, one server and 2 thin clients just because each of them is cheaper? And do most households really need 3 people connected at once? I don't see that happening unless you have a media center PC which can stream content to 6 rooms at once, and you have thin clients to just view the content. ...and your point being? How will thin clients worsen this problem? Uggh. Dont even get me started on this! :) You want schools to install more desktops and then tell their students...Hey, here you go. Go ahead...screw with registry?. Ridiculous!!! No, thats not what I mean. And as i said before, the registry wasn't the best example to give here. [This point was taking into account the technical education and computer science schools btw - I'm not saying med students need this] Refer to my open source example above - try using a dumb terminal to access a website, upload some source code to a project server, use a CDROM or DVD, or a USB stick even. Most clients don't come with any input media at all. Considering they're not needed. Hence, limitations. keystrokes. This more to the world is where these clients can help. Just because this technology will not allow you to break into someone else's property for fun doesn't mean that it will not help anyone. Er, you're totally missing the point here. I'm all for the adoption of dumb terminals where they're needed. And I don't encourage people to break into other's computers for fun or for profit. [However, I do disagree with the fact that it doesn't help anyone - it does, and that point could lead a to a huge debate no this mailing list! ;-)]. All I was trying to convey was that a thin client limits your productivity with a computer, at certain places. And as for engineering colleges not installing these - here's a thought - most of them are manned by inexperienced people who have no idea about what they're doing. Ok, so sue me if i'm wrong, but thats the general impression I've gotten from a bunch of people around the country. And they are very likely to be tempted by a)Minimal costs, b)brand value. This might sound outrageous - but its pretty true. But, we diverge. As Niyam (Linux Lingam) said - Google hasn't confirmed any rumors of such a PC coming out anyway. And even if it did, did you know there are already brands like citrix which sell thin clients? If what you say is true, why aren't people embracing thin clients in greater numbers? :) Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit[dot]gaur[at]yale[dot]edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] COMMENT: Google may not go Simputer way
--- Abhay Kedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That situation imo exists because it is too expensive for them to get more desktops and then get them networked. Really, you jest. Expensive? Buying an assembled PC for about 10k, which would be much more flexible and powerful than a thin client, and then spending maybe a 1000 bucks on networking. pffft, expense isn't the problem here. Once the thin clients become popular (which Google can achieve by its level of marketing) then we will surely see more SOHO's with networking and thin clients. What kind of marketing are we talking about here anyway? TV ads exhorting people to go buy google pcs? I mean, having nirodh ads on TV is one thing, and asking people to buy thin clients just because google's made them is something else... fact it can also help institutions like schools and colleges who want their students to access only limited amount of content which could be already present on their servers. Whoa whoa. Hang on there a minute. HELP? I'm not sure how old you are, but do you even know the sorry state of affairs in colleges and schools in the country? Not only will they not allow their students to experiment with computers, they will impose severe penalties on those who have the temerity to do so. Talk about open source and the hacking paradigm. You think MIT would be the mecca for hackers if they'd left their PDPs and other machines to the technicians, who had the power to expel people for displaying an interest in computers? Fact is, people graduating today - a large majority anyway - have no idea about computers save the fact that word processing is the same as MS Word, presentations mean Powerpoint, and viruses and trojans are something we just have to live with - things which can't be dealt with. How many people who use windows (students, so called people who 're aiming to be the techological elite of tomorrow) even know how to use the registry in order to see if they might have a trojan on their machine? Ok, so maybe I've exaggerated a bit - but this goes for most cases. And considering this state of affairs, you've got potential computer science majors using terminals which restrict them even further? Ok, so citrix machines and the like are pretty popular - I've used them myself, and done a rather large number of (*interesting*) things with them - much to the concern of a large number of sysadmins. But when you want to find out if you can break the encryption and capture keystrokes off someone else in your lab, and maybe surprise them - thin clients are going to be hardpressed. Not having enough bandwidth or speed of our so called broadband connections will be detrimental only to plans of using content right from the internet but then how many work are we doing like this anyways and by the time such functionality reaches to the masses you will be having uncapped connection with good bandwidth (at least I hope so) :) Er. What? Try some punctuation there.. Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit[dot]gaur[at]yale[dot]edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] COMMENT: Google may not go Simputer way
--- Akshay Lamba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm really not sure what he means by complete functionality is most challenging. Perhaps the fact that a thin client needs something to *connect* to. Consider using existing capped web connections to do data processing of all sorts - the minute you pay for your last MB, you shut down your machine? Wow, awesome solution - no viruses, no trojans and of course, no productivity. But thats not a consideration AT ALL, is it? Gimme a break. Thin clients will remain a no-no till India sees better connectivity. But that shouldn't stop people from offering web based services which take a fraction of the bandwidth a thin client would. After all, you do your own processing and only transmit/receive small amounts of data. Viksit On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 19:35 +0530, Frederick Noronha (FN) wrote: From HINDUSTAN TIMES January 5, 2006 GOOGLE MAY NOT GO SIMPUTER WAY Industry analysts opine that Google has a rough road ahead. Delivering complete functionality in a thin-client is most challenging, Sameer Kochhar CEO of Skotch told the Hindustan Times. Maybe we should invite the author to one of Sudev Sir's LTSP demo's. Akshay ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Viksit Gaur viksit[dot]gaur[at]yale[dot]edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] COMMENT: Google may not go Simputer way
Hey, --- Abhay Kedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would thin clients work only over internet? I had an idea that if you make a Desktop PC with decent hardware then you can connect 3-4 (or more) thin clients to help a SOHO bring down the costs of buying new hardware and maintaining individual systems. For one, thin clients have traditionally worked over a local network, but with increasing bandwidth and connection speeds, they can be made to work over the internet too. Your idea is indeed correct - but how many SOHOs actually have networked offices? Not too many. Also if you have more than one person using PC at your place then wouldn't these thin clients work as desktops for each one of them as well? Do I have some wrong info or am I thinking on entirely different wavelength? Well, it would depend on what the computer's being used for. IF your little sister wants to play 'The Sims' on a home computer, no way she's going to use a Thin client. If all you have to do is word processing and some spreadsheets, then yes, thin clients are a good option. And if we talk specifically about home users, they would much rather buy fully featured PCs because of the wide variety of uses each would have. Thats my take on it anyway - I'm sure others might feel differently. Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit[dot]gaur[at]yale[dot]edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] India Drupal Users Group
Lovely. But, what pray are the aims of this group? Developers? Users? Newbies? Help and support vs. Flames and what have you? :) Yet another drupal mailing list (high traffic or not) is something I don't want to consider right now! Cheers Viksit --- Kaustubh Srikanth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, To complement the the ever-growing Drupal Community(http://drupal.org) in India, I announce the India Drupal Users Group mailing list. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/drupal-india/ Step in! and contribute :) Cheers, -K -- Kaustubh Srikanth ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Viksit Gaur viksit[dot]gaur[at]yale[dot]edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Student mentorship program (Comments)
Hullo! Sounds like an interesting idea. I had a couple of questions about it though - and as the discussion progressed on IRC with Raj, we thought it would be better to put it up on the list. Here goes: -- Begin Transcript -- vIkSiT who're the mentors going to be, incidentally? OldMonk uh, whoever volunteers? vIkSiT ah. well, small bounties - should be possible I guess vIkSiT OldMonk, I thought there would be a pool of mentors vIkSiT people above suspicion in their involvement in FLOSS for non-nefarious purposes ;) OldMonk well, sort of... there's a list, and you put it up at a college, and see who's interested in working for whom OldMonk working with whom too. vIkSiT right. and are the projects established ones, or are students free to choose? OldMonk not necessarily, though we need some way to monitor quality and quaitity of inputs from the mentor vIkSiT as in - indlinux/karunakar or KDE/taj vs i-want-my-own-to-do-stuff project/i'd like to mentor? OldMonk students and mentors get together and choose vIkSiT I see vIkSiT and these (internships?) will be a part of curricula? OldMonk final decision has to be student's -- no point forcing someone to do a project in which she doesn't see value OldMonk no internships discussed yet vIkSiT sure - but how would you get edu-institutions to see straight? OldMonk i suggest you bring these questions up on the list, so we can document and clean up the idea. -- End transcript -- Right. And further... who are willing to act as mentors to send an email to this list describing what FOSS area they are willing to mentor students in, the number of hours/ week that they are willing to volunteer What kind of mentorship is being looked at here? Draw out differences between mentors vs tutors. Do the mentors help in dev work, or ideas? Once a project is done, who shares the credits in these 2 areas? Does a mentor only give advice in his own area of specialization, or .. ? work for such a program would also involve things like going around to local colleges, and talking to teachers in order to get them to accept such FOSS projects. Wait. Mentors should be put into a pool, endorsed by whatever partner organizations - that gives them a pedestal to stand on and be able to convince (often narrowminded) teachers and professors about the benefits and scope of such a program. to involve similar projects by companies like Redhat, Novell, etc.? Companies would step in to develop their own agendas. I think company sponsorship for the program itself can be looked at - something like RedHat's Lord of the Code (?) challenge, where a number of projects through this program might be evaluated with the same criteria as theirs (or even go through the first selection stage). How about mentoring students in remote areas via an online forum? IMO, It wouldnt work. Mentoring would need atleast some time together between the 2 individuals such that they can understand who and what they're dealing with. Online forums may of course be used for help question s and interactions, so that participants know how the respective teams are faring. (b) Problems likely to crop up at the end of colleges: How are students assigned credit, how are examiners familiarized with the FOSS development process, what resources can students expect to draw upon and what extra work will they be expected to do on their own. My original question - does this become some part of a project which people do at college? Otherwise, the whole effort may just as well fizzle out since people would be looking to cram for exams rather than contribute code to an open source project. Resources wise - colleges can be extrememly constricting. As some people were discussing on IRC, computer access is rather limited, and so is web access. These would be major areas to be looked at. Otherwise - books, and a cd-burner are all that would be required initially. (c) Mentor expectations: Should they be paid? If so, would that be a nominal sum, or market rates? If unpaid, how are mentors held to their commitments? Paying mentors - good idea, which can work both for and against this venture. As for rates, there has to be consensus between the mentors themselves. I would also suggest a small bounty/internship for the students themselves, which would give an incentive to them to participate. Should there be provision for a phase-in period within which either side could decide to drop the collaboration for whatever reason? No. If this is either a)Paid, b)part of a university project, its upto the mentor and the student to see it through, even if there isn't a definite conclusion of any sort - a partially working application is far better (and leaves scope for improvement) than something which doesnt exist at all. HTH, Cheers! Viksit -- Viksit Gaur Deptt. of Computer Science, Yale University http://viksit.com
Re: [ilugd] First timer - ilugd and Slashdot
Wow. Looks like Slashdot is wrong after all! This should probably be quoted on Slashdot at some point.. And apparently, ILUG-d hasn't lost all its charming people ;) http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/25/0433243tid=215tid=106 Cheers, Viksit --- Subu_G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: h... am sure the list could tolerate this first timers (to ilugd-meet i.e - have been on the list for nearly a year - unpardonable, i know) brief (brief coz ' Makuchaku will bring out *officially* the goings on at todays ilud meet - hopefully) experience at ilugd today. To begin with, the first motivation to go for the ilugd-meet was that, i confess, it was near my home - (know many have trudged miles to reach the venue - bless you all) at NOIDA in the excellent conference room facilties at M/s LIQVID (thanks guys!). Secondly, being from the 70's-college-crowd (sorry Raj - borrowed you words) - actually the 80's - was wondering whether would be able to fit in the crowd. Yup, am aware many of the 70's-80's do drive many a major Linux initiatives ;-) - but then these were my honest thots. The meet experience - well, here's my honest confessions - sitting in the corner seat - much like a list lurker - i had a great time just getting to know the amazing bohomine, camaraderie and plain-speak of the members of the ilugd - and was amazed at the depth of thinking, passion and committment of the group for FLOSS. It seemed like a great big (wise and honest) family get-togather - which I knew, and am now sure, that ilugd is all about. Most importantly, it was great fun-time too with the good natured banter among the group members - I did have a great smiley time - which was intermixed with serious-agenda talks of Supreet Gora Aarti (which of course were enlightening). The only disappointment of the meet was that the magical *pizzas* that Mary cherished for never did materialize (should we blame Santa?? :-) well, I know what resolution i gonna make this New Year - to be at all the ilugd meets in future (will be a fool to miss having such a good time with Linux/FLOSS knowledge thrown in in large measures!). And am sure many more first-timers-to-ilugd-meet (are there any? or am I the last one?) would make it to the next meet. It was a privilege meeting up with the old-ilugd-war-horses (nooo, I dont mean age - mean experience at ilugd :-) Thus special thanks to all who made it to todays meet. - Subu (Subashis) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Viksit Gaur viksit[dot]gaur[at]yale[dot]edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Oracle,Coral
Hi Is there any freeware/downloadable software for PCQLinux 2004; All software for it free. Well, *Most*. Thats 98% or so. for those who are using Oracle also for those who are using Coral photoshop on windows. Oracle ships for linux. You need to buy it. Corel, doesn't make photoshop. Adobe does. Corel PhotoDraw(?) and CorelDraw are being experimented on for Linux, but there are no releases, and no chance of them becoming free any time soon. Also does ming is able enough to edit the flash files on LINUX(PCQlinux 2004). Ming is a library you can use with php/perl or c++ to *generate* swf or fla files. There are no Ming-GUI tools like Macromedia Flash. You could try flash4linux if you want something similar to that. As for their availability on PCQL'04 - No reason why you shouldn't be able to install these on it. -- Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit[dot]gaur[at]yale[dot]edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Find out Developing Studio like as MS-Visual Studio
Hullo, --- Udyan Kushwaha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. developing realtime software as per requirements, which kind of platform of software, depending upon the users. Actually, we have experienced on window base softwares, develop realtime application such as simulators e.g. flight simulators etc., psychological tests which is related to human behavor, intelligence and aptitude levels, personality etc. We nid accurate time for output. In my opinion, the kind of work you're doing - especially simulations need to be done on some kind of a Real Time OS - Windows doesn't really qualify as one. You'd be much better off using Linux (RTLinux or maybe UML alternatives), or even things like VxWorks, QNX and such. Most of my realtime work is done on QNX 6.2.. last 3 years our organisation change working environment and use LInux. We r using Qt Programming tools. And if u r a developer u know better this is not a user friendly software, we want developing facilities like VC++ or VB. these r user freindly softwares. Isn't that a good thing? :) If you've been using QT for 3 years, I expect you should've started liking it by now! Anyway, I'm not sure what you mean by Not user friendly software. QTDesigner and Kdevelop/Anjuta are both designed keeping in mind user-friendliness. What exactly do you want from your developing environment? One click compiles? Ability to make forms? Documentation? Syntax completion? All this is offered by both the above mentioned programs. For more functionality, there are tons of plugins you can use. One option may be eclipse, but we r not sure about this software, what do u think about this software. please write us. Eclipse is great if you're doing Java stuff, and its pretty decent for QT works as well - it is after all a multipurpose IDE. *But I don't know anyone who uses eclipse for QT work - mostly Java applications on it. Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit[dot]gaur[at]yale[dot]edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Find out Developing Studio like as MS-Visual Studio
Hullo, Ok, let me take your questions in steps. would u like tell me any developer studio on the linux platform who is equilent as a MS-Visual Studio and all facilites such as COM/DCOM, socket programming, SDK What do you mean by developer studio? You want to develop windows based apps on linux? For running .Net code on linux, see the mono project. There are a number of IDEs around for Linux - KDevelop, Anjuta being two of the best. There are yet others for various purposes, but those are the most newbie-friendly ones. The thing is, I think you've misunderstood the concept of an Integrated Development environment.. An IDE helps you write, edit, monitor and debug code. It doesn't help you *develop* COM/DCOM or socket or whatever code. You s till write the code by hand - and it doesn't matter whether you do it in Vi, Emacs or Notepad. You've got to do that yourself, using the relevant header files (in this case, socket.h being the example for socket programming). (BTW, what do you mean by SDK? An SDK is a software development kit for a particular platform/language - so the Java SDK makes sense, but by itself, its just a generic term) etc but do'nt tell me about QT and other tools who comes from linux. Well, if you're looking to develop applications on Linux, you WILL need one of QT or GTK. You can't live without them when developing GUI code. I nid complete visual studio for the development of Real Time programming as well as openGL programming. Please help me. Somebody tell me ATLib software but i did'nt find out. So now that we've seen that a *complete* solution to everything doesn't exist, and that you need to mix and match things - lets address your other questions. And I've never heard of AT Lib. For Real time programming, you don't *need* an integrated environment - you need an SDK which includes all the libraries, and other code to get started on it - since it depends on what kind of hardware you're working on, or intend to. Which means that running code on pure linux is not what you're looking at - you probably want to run RTLinux or something. Alternatively, get UML (User mode linux) and run something on top of that - but imo, thats not a very good approach for mission critical apps - but you're not writing those yet.. As for OpenGL - you don't really need anything except for GLUT and the MESA libraries - which are open source OpenGL implementations to use. All the above mentioned libs/SDKs or IDEs come with tons of documentation.. you might want to google search for tutorials on how to get started with them. Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d?
Greetings, Hmm.. a simple query seems to have stirred up a hornets nest - and maybe for the better. But that remains to be seen I guess. Apart from other issues which I think I'll probably devote another email to.. --- Abhijit Menon-Sen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the prevailing atmosphere is likely to discourage women from ever visiting more than once. And which prevailing atmosphere is this? I don't recall seeing any women come into meetings for quite some time now - let alone check out the meetings, yet not come back - but thats not saying they're not interested. Hassath: Do they just *assume* that the atmosphere is unsuitable (for lack of a better word) to their being there? I think this issue (possibly) is what should be further addressed - and that instead of asking the community what they've been doing to make the list or meetings more equitable to gender proportions - we should see why no one bothers to contribute/come over to these meetings. Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d?
Greetings, ams said - Appropriate behaviour is not learned in a vacuum: it's learned through repeated interaction and observation. Very few people actually *want* to make women uncomfortable, but if they don't get any feedback about what they're doing wrong, they won't know what to change. Well put - and how can this interaction be repeated without anyone actually stepping forward to start doing so in the first place?! The statement about the Old Boy's Club - well, the term doesn't have to be that. All this means is that a group meets and does stuff which they would like to do. And the only way this can change is, if there are women who are regular enough with the meetings (regular doesn't mean EVERY meet either - once in a couple of months should be good enough) and list interactions (even these needn't be that frequent). Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d?
Hullo, I was wondering, in reference to Raj's commment.. Hi D00dz and D00d3tt3z, How many dood3tt3z are actually on this list? :) Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Photos on ILUG-D
Helleaux! --- Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Precisely! We've already done the hard work, so whom should I mail the photographs to to upload onto the site? Hehe, giving the camera to a volunteer to click snaps is hard work? ;) BTW, Karunakar's camera - someone should inform him about this. The photographs are currently downloadable from: http://shanta.linuxops.net/~raju/ILUGD-20050731/ Yeah, last I checked, it was on 23.. 11 more to go. The volunteer (who can easily be Viksit, since he'll have faster 'net access than any of us in the foreseeable future) is welcome to upload them onto the linux-delhi.org site. Okie Dokie. I don't mind doing that. How do i get the photos though? Email? In which case someone would have to upload them on to the web anyway.. Which might be done to the ILUG site itself? Physical presence in Delhi is NOT a pre-requisite. Reason I mentioned this - anyone with good web access and a USB/CD Device would need to upload the pics only once. But, as said before, no problems with me doing it once i get the photos. Cheerio, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Photos on ILUG-D
Hola! Who exactly is the person who kicks the official, designated photographer for each meet to upload the photos on to the website? :) If there isn't any, does someone volunteer. PS, Sorry as I am to say it, this person needs to be in delhi for a while.. so **I** can't be volunteered by default ;) Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Details - Talk on Linux and PDAs - Upcoming LUG Meet
Hello, Please check out this link to see details of upcoming talk at the next LUG meet. http://www.viksit.com/node/204 Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] What *is the Role of LUGs in Linux events in India?
Greetings, Over the past few weeks, there have been certain emails on the list dealing with how the various LUGs around the country can support events related to Linux and FOSS. The discussion seems to have turned towards how bad the vendors are and why they are the bane of LUGs countrywide. Arguments can go back and forth on these topics, but aren't we missing the point entirely? When the call for Linux Bangalore went out, it was an open invitation to *ALL* the LUGs around in order to garner their support and comments about how to go about making this event something different - Too many people have been to technical conferences which mostly follow the same trends. For those who don't monitor the LB lists: there have been dozens of comments from a number of sources which gave out a number of ideas which could potentially be incorporated into the event. And these sources aren't ALL limited to Bangalore or places nearby - some of them have been from people from around the country and the world. What is surprising is that no one from ilugd bothered to comment on it. IS it that surprising? (Correct me if wrong) Consider - the Bangalore LUG, if it exists at all, is a shell of what it once was. I can't speak about the other LUGs around - the Delhi LUG however still chugs on. Again, meetings supposedly in the interest of fostering community spirits have been turned into BOFs, which are [sic] cold, formal meetings geared to solve corporate or personal problems [/sic] - well, maybe not entirely, and although the participants aren't limited to a certain discussion topic, the closed nature of the meet puts off a large number. As for the previous thread in infinite wisdom Ritesh Agrawal spoke thus on 07/15/05 12:49: Today many topnotch vendors(IBM,DELL,HP,SUN etc) supporting linux as a weapon to fight agianst MS monoply. But they are not looking sincere to support open source philosophy. They treat linux as big market platform to sell their proprietary software and hardware. So Who cares? Why do WE, the OSS community want the corporate world to *Promote the OSS? It would be naive to assume that the vendors get anything at all out of supporting OSS. But isn't the crux here that WE NEED to promote the spirit. Where are those evangelists who wanted to take Linux and OSS to the grass roots? Those who wanted India to take up E-Gov based on FLOSS? Those who want the syllabi changed to introduce the option of non MS products? I'm not saying they aren't there - but to the common person, their activities in promoting their own community and cause is hardly visible. And on top of this, their non participation in *public events throws salt on an already open wound. The stress on Public arises from the so called competition between Linux Asia and Linux Bangalore, and how the respective LUGs are at loggerheads with each other , ideologically or otherwise. A popular opinion out there is that ilugd refuses to cooperate and work with BLUG simple because they want to snuggle up to LA and thus avoid LB. And, again LA seems not to have enough support in Bangalore because of the vendors there cowering in fear of alienating LB. Sheesh. Petty differences? Profit margins going down? Are these the reasons which appear to drag down the Indian FOSS movement into a quagmire? The community has really got to rise up in force and offer publicised explanations for their (in)actions. With the whole world raving about India and its IT prowess, and what seems to be the next phase - the Knowledge outsourcing paradigm, people sitting here can actually see those pipe dreams going down in waste (at least with reference to FLOSS). LUGs *will flourish. IS that a statement which can be taken at face value anymore? With all the contradictions, i find it hard to believe that unless a coordinated effort between groups around the country comes into action, India just won't succeed in its goal of adapting FLOSS. The question is, are we doing anything about it? Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur Deptt. of CSE, Yale University http://viksit.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] What *is the Role of LUGs in Linux events in India?
Ahoy, --- Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LA and LB? There is a competition? I had no clue, honestly. I dont see how either - there are too few Linux based events happening in the country, and my feeling is that the more the better! Yeah, the only trouble is that the too few events themselves are fragmented. There IS a popular feeling that this is what is happening. Snuggle up to LA? LA is a vendor-targetted meet where ILUGD is more of a guest given certain lollipops to stay happy. How many ILUGD members feel emotionally attached to LA anyway? Exactly. This isnt/wasnt well known to the general public at all. Due to any number of reasons.. LB being more community based (from what I have read. I might be wrong coz' I have never been there), it is a world apart in the first place. You're right, it IS more community oriented. But the very fact that it is so, and the community doesn't want to support it is the problem. Have people working out these conspiracy theories ever considered distance and cost to be a factor? Four days to-and-fro travel by train for a three day meet? or big bucks for a return flight? The point here isn't that you *have to go ahead and travel the distance to participate. But, as a very relevant email on the LB'05 list points out - almost 30% of the janta who shows up is outstation.. For most people regional events are more suitable, and feasible. We need more events througout the country, not consolidation of events. Regional events are good, but they need to scale to the international level. Gathering crowds is ok, but the content needs to be great as well. Which is why people from around the world/country need to attend it, and speak/give out their comments on issues and technologies. And isn't this where a regional organization like a LUG has a major role to play? Doesnt it make sense for other such 'regional' entities to participate with them? No one's trying to consolidate here - its just that things happen that way. It wouldn't make sense for a guy from Pune to attend only the Bombay events, or the delhite to attend only the ilugd events. Irrespective of whether you can physically attend the event - your opinions/suggestions would go a long way in making it a success. Viksit -- Viksit Gaur Deptt. of CSE, Yale University http://viksit.com Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [Crosspost from BLUG] Linux Bangalore 2005 Brainstorming
Hi, This is a post off the Linux Bangalore list, which deals with a collaborative effort between the LUGs to shape this year's event into something *Great! Contributions invited from all over, on THAT list. Please join, or post your suggestions.. Cheers, Viksit -- Thus spake Atul.. All: The next seven days are going to be crucial to some of the plans being now carved in stone for the event. We have looked at the suggestions and comments made so far, plus the tons of private email that we have received with even more suggestions, but when you see the final plans, you will clearly see your recommendations and suggestions there. Here is what we need now: More. More suggestions from you, more recommendations, more comments. They are literally the bricks that we are using to build this house - without them, we will have gaping holes - and windows - that problems can creep through. (If that sounds familiar to you, don't blame me :) More involvement, more willingness to make things happen. Some ideas to discuss: - What will work better: a few halls that seat 1000 people at a time and have a guy speaking, or many midd-to-small sized halls that allow many topics to be discussed? - Special Interest Groups: what kind of groups (say Gentoo, debian, Fedora, Gnome, KDE, Education, User Groups, Indic/localization), and would these groups be able to set their own agendas, keeping focus tight, and not duplicate stuff from other SIGs? - Topics: Advanced, or newbie tutorials as well? Developer only, or admin, user etc. topics as well? - Community: What would make LUGs participate more actively, so that the world can see them? What would get them talking to each other at a non-political level? What would get them sharing ideas, discuss issues, work out solutions? Directions for the community (and - echoing the comments of one person in private email - is there a community, or have we allowed the vendors to take over?) - Non-Linux: Our event is about Free and open source Software, not a single product. Sure, Linux is a great posterchild, but Linux isn't the only FOSS thing out there (despite some vendors trying their damnest to make the world believe that). So how do we get the non-Linux projects to get involved? How do we get our *BSD colleagues to consider this their event as well? The FOSS-on-Windows people? The OpenOffice people? The FOSS-on-OSX people? The PPP (Perl/PHP/Python) people? - Education and Government: What are the issues that need to be addressed? The Indian Government is committed to FOSS, how do we help them take things forward? How do we fix the problem of vendors getting their products into the educational curriculum? How could the government and academia get involved at our event to get their issues addressed? - Formats: Speaker+audience only, or discussion groups as well? - Anything that doesnt seem to ever get addressed, but needs to be? These are just samples - feel free to add any more topics. Anything relevant will get considered, and if we can fit it into the event, we will. Provided you tell us about it, of course. This is a Free and Open Source event - it can't happen if you don't get involved (just like every other FOSS project). To discuss these and more, get onto the mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-2005/join Read what has been previously discussed: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-2005/messages Have your say. Build your event. In a few days the event announcement and the call for participation will go out - at that time, we need to know what we should use as selection criteria. Please spread the word - on your mailing lists, in your forums, in your oganisations. Get involved, get people involved. Believe me, when you see what we are building up here, you will kick yourself if you don't get your say in *now*. Think Woodstock, think revolution, think change the world. It's time for something new - and you are the one who can build it. Let's show the world how to do it right. Consider this the world's largest building block set - and you get to place your pieces in it to build something tremendous. Atul p.s. We would appreciate it if you leave your politician hats at home - we are trying to build here. Please come to the discussion with a positive frame of mind. If your dog bit you this morning, maybe you should take a day to cool off first - don't take it out on the list. :) If you need to offer criticism, make sure that your suggestion for an alternative is in the same message. No 100% negatives, please. In the closed source world, bug reports are I used your product, and here is a bug. In the FOSS world it is I used your product, here is a bug I found, and here is a patch/fix/suggestion. The rules of the list follow the FOSS world. -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you
Re: [ilugd] MatchBox UI
Greetings, Is anyone able to run matchbox UI http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/ Sure, whats the issue? I've been running it pretty happily for quite a bit now.. almost 2 years iirc. On X86, you require a bit of configs etc, but on any PDA/Handheld, including the iPaq and the Cassiopeia, it has run without too much trouble. Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] What is Real Time Linux???????
Hullo, Dear Sys admins, Not everyone on this list is a sysadmin! :) What is Real Time Linux?? According to one of the most reliable sources around, RT Systems are those whose correctness includes its response time as well as its functional correctness. The above basically means that apart from the correct working of the system itself, how fast you get a response also matters a lot. In this regard, such systems get classified into Hard and Soft Real time systems. google for more info! How it is different from Mandrake,Fedora and RH etc. The distros mentioned above are user level distros - they are used on desktop applications, server management, development, blah - but essentially, by a human being sitting on a computer. RT Systems are deployed on satellites, missiles and such - that is where the term 'embedded' comes in as well. These systems have to gather data, and act on it in a very fast loop, in order to ensure the safety of the device they're on, or any other factors which may be in play. A really cool article I read in LinuxJournal on Linux and satellites : http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7767 From where i can download it??? How the term embedded is related with it?? Search for VxWorks, RTLinux, FreeRTOS, LynuxWorks etc. Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Now that we are a society...
Hullo, you can get formal membership in the Linux Users' Group (ILUGD). Membership options for people whose permanent residence is Delhi, but are unable to come in for a certain part of the year (But when they do, are *extremely involved in the activities ;) ? I mean, is the person's presence **required, or can I just send a cheque for Rs. 125/- to the LUG treasurer? Poor Kishore (our Treasurer) will actually have to start keeping track of those crores and crore Tsk tsk Tsk. The fun, the general recklessness, the treading where angels fear to tread, blah blah Amen! Teams/working groups shall be made for specific projects as they have been in the past, and such responsibility (and authority) as there is shall rest on individuals who offer to shoulder it. Reminds me of the proposed event in september.. Does the societification galvanize that into action, or is it still just a wisp of someone's imagination on a drawing board?! Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Now that we are a society...
Hi, web site (it'll be there Real Soon Now) **snort snicker etc etc :) Rejuvenated now that we have a structure in place. goody.. ``If you don't care where you are, you ain't lost'' -- Raj Mathur, ILUGD mailing list. lmao. sig changed. ;) Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Meet -- Virtual Meetings RFC -
Heya! --- Raj shekhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exercise is good for health. :-) Lol, this coming from the guy who loathes to walk and instead catches an auto all the time? ;) Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] CERT India(?!) and Security
Greetings, Here's some food for thought for the hackers on the list - I came across it a long time back, was too lazy to ask on-list! 1) CERT India does'nt have a website anymore. http://www.cert-in.org.in/ doesn't seem to live anymore - or is it that I'm being blocked from every network I try to access it from? 2) Accessing PakCERT's site twice in a row using a Win2k box with Firefox (first) and IE (second) gave me a BSOD. The third time, I was fine. 3) As for policy and security, there are individual ERTs in the government, but which deal only with the security of certain networks. And with the absence of CERT India, there doesn't seem to be a centralized resource to obtain contact information for any kind of security issues. * India is not a member of the Asia Pacific Security Incident Response Co-ordination Working Group, it being the only major country in Asia which isn't. http://www.singcert.org.sg/apsirc.htm * The old framework for the ERTs seems to have had a breakdown. All search results for incident reponse, india, CERT and Computer Security lead nowhere. Anyone got leads? Cheers, Viksit __ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] CERT India(?!) and Security
Greetings, Here's some food for thought for the hackers on the list - I came across it a long time back, was too lazy to ask on-list! 1) CERT India does'nt have a website anymore. http://www.cert-in.org.in/ doesn't seem to live anymore - or is it that I'm being blocked from every network I try to access it from? 2) Accessing PakCERT's site twice in a row using a Win2k box with Firefox (first) and IE (second) gave me a BSOD. The third time, I was fine. 3) As for policy and security, there are individual ERTs in the government, but which deal only with the security of certain networks. And with the absence of CERT India, there doesn't seem to be a centralized resource to obtain contact information for any kind of security issues. * India is not a member of the Asia Pacific Security Incident Response Co-ordination Working Group, it being the only major country in Asia which isn't. http://www.singcert.org.sg/apsirc.htm * The old framework for the ERTs seems to have had a breakdown. All search results for incident reponse, india, CERT and Computer Security lead nowhere. Anyone got leads? Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Societification update
Greetings! 2. India, Delhi and acronyms in the name are not permitted. Currently the best we can do is ``Linux Users Group''. Hmm.. Are society names valid across the country? If we do register something like Linux Users Group, without a more specific name, its likely to infringe on practically all the others in the country - and we aren't going to be very popular after that :) special circumstances under which we could get ``India Linux User Group, Delhi'' or ``ILUG-Delhi''. Might you elaborate a bit on the special circumstance thingies? Link: http://www.helplinelaw.com/docs/society/society1.shtml :) but don't get your hopes up. awww Cheers, Vik -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mouse problem during installation of redhat
Greetings, I was installing redhat 9.0 Why? :-) Contact the LUG's CD list, and get yourself a copy of the latest version of Fedora, which is the latest in the redhat series of distributions. It solves a lot of hardware issues such as the one you seem to be having. Alternatively, buy this month's PCQuest magazine - it has Fedora Core 3 (PCQLinux) on it, which IMHO is a pretty decent distro to install. The screen is full of text and last line reads like 'ehci-hcd ' also USB was written in the last line. Yes, it looks like you're having some kind of an issue with the USB module and your mouse. Which mouse is it? You might want to install the system using your PS/2 mouse, and once the system is installed, attach your USB mouse and then approach the list - you have quite a lot of options once you have linux installed on your hard disk. installing Linux is a risk to Hard Disk , is it true ... The system already has Windows XP and Win 98 installed.. Lol, Linux is definitely less of a risk when compared to the other two extremely virus prone OSs which you have installed! Seriously, Linux is run by more than a million people world wide for applications ranging from Rocket launches to making simulations for nuclear devices - no one uses windows there. You still unconvinced? :-) Cheers! viksit -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FC3 (PCQLinux) boot problem, 1GB RAM
Hey.. do the slanting lines come after it says Welcome to PCQLinux or before it?? Before it. Hence my concerns about it not being an X related problem at all. if you need graphics. Usually, servers don't need any graphics anyway. Its not a server :) Its a machine for high end graphics rendering and stuff - So X is a requirement. Plus, as mentioned above.. the Welcome part doesn't turn up either.. Vik -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] FC3 (PCQLinux) boot problem, 1GB RAM
Hello all, After having installed PCQLinux on a machine with 4GB of RAM, and a SCSI hdd, I'm having trouble booting. The Kernel starts off well enough, and init seems to come up - but as soon as that happens, all i see is a bunch of slanting lines on a black background. After checking it out on the internet, I came to the conclusion that the problems may lie in one of the following areas (*Possibly): 1)ACPI - I tried passing acpi=off without any results 2)SCSI issues - i tried hda=ide-scsi without any results 3)The possiblity of a Direct Memory Access problem which Linux seems to face with more than 1GB of memory (Why/How does this happen?). There was something mentioned about CONFIG_HIGHMEM on a bunch of forums, but I'm assuming thats somewhere in the X config - device drivers section? Or is it something to do with other kernel parameters to be set from somewhere else? TIA, Cheers! Viksit -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Bangalore ILUG-D Meet Details
Hullo! The details for the ILUG-D Bangalore meet are available at: http://www.viksit.com/node/105 Please leave a comment to confirm your attendance. You may also suggest a venue/time/date, and if everyone's in agreement, we might even use it ;) Cheers! Viksit = -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Bangalore ILUG-D Meet (Was: Re: [ilugd] hi all)
Amen to the Bangalore ILUG-D Meet! I'm in Bangalore too! Everyone ready for a Coup de etat ? :) Lets finalize and meet up in bangalore.. Should be fun! AFAIK, the people presently in Bangalore are: Raj Shekhar Ankit Jain Supreet Sethi Pankaj Kaushal Ritesh Sarraf Viksit Gaur Anyone else in? We could decide the venue/times off the list. Cheers! = -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] VRML documentation
Hi I was searching for some tutorial on VRML , could anyone give me a link or smthing like that, Thanks in advance Something like that.. http://www.google.co.in/search?q=VRML+tutorial+documentationstart=0start=0ie=utf-8oe=utf-8client=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en-US:official That page has links to 2 VERY good VRML tutorials. There are also the development papers at unige.ch. However, the VRML 97 standard is now deprecated. X3D is the enhanced successor to VRML, and will be in use in some time. Till then, this standard and its related tools are very much in the mainstream. But X3D can do wonders.. its (obviously) much more advanced, and streamlined than the original VRML. More on this at the web3d consortium - www.web3d.org. PS, In case you're really interested in VRML applications, I suggest you check out the VRML exporter of a tool called POV-RAY. It allows the ultimate in flexibility and features/power to make your own VRML worlds. HTH, Vik = -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] QT Embedded on Nokia phones?
Hi! --- Mayank Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Yesterday, i was looking at vivek's (VK) phone came to know that it could run Qt-embedded apps. Does same holds true for Nokia phones (6600) also? The 6600 runs an ARM processor, iirc. Familiar linux (familiar.handhelds.org) is a deb based distro for StrongARMS. It should theoretically run on the nokia too. Minor modifications might be needed. I'm currently running both stable and unstable feeds of Familiar on my ipaq. You'd then need a GUI/WM system - you can choose between Opie and GPE. The former is QT-Embedded based, and uses Trolltech's QTopia, is lightweight, and looks good. GPE is Gtk based, uses X, and is heavier - but comes bundled with more applications. A smartphone toolkit also exists for Familiar, but not having tried it, i can't comment. www.handhelds.org and opie.handhelds.org, gpe.handhelds.org should get you started. HTH, Vik = -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Linux India Website Design
Greetings. Here's a website design which I've made for L-I. Its simple, a bit colorful, and hopefully suits the bill. Aside from that, it requires the contribution of another 3-4 people to do various tasks which I would find impossible to complete alone. http://www.viksit.com/node/46 [ Comments on the site itself would be the best place to leave criticism and/or applause ;). ] I envision the site to be powered by drupal, and integrated with all the content which has yet been put up by the various LUGs around the country on it. This can be done either in the form of a wiki, and/or part of the CMS itself. RFC. Cheers, Viksit = -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Donating for tsunami relief | Cheque sending details
Hi You're not going to believe it, but this was the exact thought which I opened my mail account with today! Where can i send a cheque to? -- Vik = -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Multiple sound applications run simultaneously?
Hullo! Whats the deal with running 2 applications using /dev/dsp together? Lets say i want to run xmms and play quake3a, I can't - Q3 just won't start. Killing off xmms immediately starts it. Also, what if i'm using xmms, and suddenly need to see a video in mplayer - mplayer gives me an error saying that it couldn't open /dev/dsp. Is it because xmms locks the file, or changes its access permissions? or is it just some setting somewhere which needs to be changed? Cheers! Vik = -- Viksit Gaur me[at]viksit[dot]com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org http://viksit.com 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux Delhi meet suggestion
Hi.. Cool Idea, IMHO. There are a lot of colleges around Delhi/Noida/Gurgaon/Faridabad and beyond the pale. I suspect a lot of students are on the list. Possibly. But even if they are not, why don't we get some sort of a strategy to actually contact those colleges and see how many of them have inhouse LUGs, failing which we could help them set it up. [Set it up, in the sense that they could come down for a mega meet sometime, and generally get introduced to the idea of LUG meetings and how they're beneficial.] With more Mini-LUGs in and around (which could maybe be affliated to ilugd as a parent LUG or something), you'd have intra meetings, which would give a boost to the dwindling numbers of interested people. *) Another suggestion - Apart from just Discussions of stuff, or presentations/demos of something, have a monthly competition of some sort? The Dev meet could have a programming challenge, the ilugd meet could have something more oriented towards the average user - best desktop, Linux Gaming challenges, GIMP art, Blender Art.. the possiblities are endless. IMHO, we should dichotomize the evangelism track, and assume that a large number of people ARE using Linux. In which case, apart from having introductory stuff for newbies and/or new technologies, have something in which the average guy/girl can contribute to. I know this was in the offing a LOONG time back, but I have no idea what happened about it. redirect flames /dev/null :) *) Secondly, formalize the ILUG hierarchy. Apart from having more clout when signing a letter or certificate of appreciation as PutDesignationHere of ILUG-D, it also allows members to hold some sort of position. Then, a kind of constitution could be established, such that the memberships, meetings, minutes etc are taken down and filed. A good example is the Tokyo LUG and the NY-LUG. They're still pretty informal in their outlook.. pizza, soda, et al. But the existence of a proper structure allows them more leverage. Plus, sponsorship money (for various things.. )could be looked at from places like IBM (in Gurgaon). Being a huge Linux advocate, they would definitely help out. (Raj, Kishore.. Comments? :) - AFAIK, we (atleast me) forget to contact the companies in the satellite towns) *) Random thought - If we form a non profit organization, does the Government give us grants etc to propogate Linux? (like they do to NGOs?) Just some thoughts! Cheers, Viksit __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Future events meet
Greetings all! When you say targeting a college or school audience, do you mean trying to tell them all about the philosophy of Linux or sell it across to them as an alternative, fun filled OS which offers a lot more to them than Windows ever did? :) Plus, is anyone using Squeak (www.squeak.org) for something constructive? In school, college or whatever. Any concrete applications for it? ``keeda'' for Thukpa (soup w/ noodles). Tried to find, no luck, finally had momos at the shack next to PVR; OK momos, killer chili chutney. Try the resturaunt at Sikkim House, for some delicious tibetan-chinese food. Authentic stuff, not bland and at amazingly affordable prices. FYI, Sikkim house is located right next to the US Embassy road. Just approach it from Hotel Ashok, its to your right. (An ornate building which looks like something out of the Last Emperor..). Lok for some rather rotten sandwiches and stuff at the Irish joint there -- avoid it like the plague, their food pretty much sucks. Ever tried Shepherd's Pie there? It looks and smells good, but if you don't have a strong stomach for it... 'nuff said ;) Cheers! Vik = -- Viksit Gaur http://www.viksit.com me[at]viksit.com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Custom Simputer Programs + Privacy issues
Um.. Am not sure if Mr. Srivastava realizes that posting his email address (not TOO consequential), AND his phone number on a public list is viable. All mails are archived, and there are tons of people out there just for these.. If anyone has to suggest phone numbers and/or other contact information, which is directed to a particular person, Please do it off the list. Just a thought.. Vik = -- Viksit Gaur http://www.viksit.com me[at]viksit.com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Linux and PHP interview question required
Welcome to the List. I am new to this group and this is my first mail to this group. Before you start posting messages, you should check out some links which tell you all about mailing list guidelines and etiquette. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ I've a interview of Linux and PHP. I've done Linux but nothing of PHP. You'll have to be a bit more specific than that. You'v done Linux. A good resource is of course www.php.com. Tutorials, Resources et al. And as for interview questions, what kind of an interview is it? Vik __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] LDD2k4 Posters -- final version
Damn.. I was in transit for almost 3 days, and hence off the net. Sorry for not being able to contribute more on the posters, incase someone's wondering why I made a draft and forgot about it! The final poster looks cool.. Hope LDD is a raging success! Cheers! Viksit = -- Viksit Gaur http://www.viksit.com me[at]viksit.com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] how to get gmail account? you don't need invites...
I thought this was a popular google hack? Sign up for blogger.com, and you get an invite to gmail off the front page when you login to it. Have fun! vIkSiT __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: [blug-non-tech] LUG Meets: Are they still relevant]
Hey All! Am back after a hiatus of over 2 months ;) Lesser participation and a seemingly low enthusiasm at BLUG I can very confidently state that BLUG meetings (and hopefully ilug-d - i haven't one attended since LinuxAsia..:) are in no shortage of members who want to hang out and talk about linux. I think thats more so with ilug-d because of the informality and 'snakes' which is prevalent (not to mention the original Guitar twanging and SciFi book meets coupled with them). The BLUG meets on the other hand, have [sic] become corporatized [/sic]. It was exciting to go the meets and discuss stuff! Things are different now. Almost every college student uses Linux.. Correction. It IS still exciting to go, meet other people and discuss stuff and debate about issues as varied as which distro, or how barista is too expensive, and satkar's rules ;) Secondly, most college students might use Linux as a compulsion, which is definitely not in the same vein as getting hooked on to something new and exciting. Talking to people who fall in the latter category might rub some enthusiasm off them! ..Internet now, even from home. And the number of sites providing help.. But we come back to the oft discussed topic.. Is the internet (and BBS's before) the end of our social skills as we know them? Searching google (or even IRC) for a technical problem is one thing, but looking for expressions and epressing thoughts on blogs is a totally wierd concept, if seen in mutual exclusion of face to face contact. You NEED to go talk to people, drink, eat with them, and generally talk about stuff. I'm part of the Delhi Blogger's group, and even THEY have group meetings every month. (Do a google on DelhiBloggersMeet). I really don't think the concept of meets is going to fade away for a long time. [Kartik, the original thread creator btw, is the maintainer of the BLUG list. Or was till a while ago..] PS, this was just an off the cuff reaction to the post ;) Ciao! Viksit = -- Viksit Gaur http://www.viksit.com me[at]viksit.com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Best Linux Distro
Hi! This is one topic which can escalate into a Flamewar in no time! Asking about the Best distro on some other lists might even get you banned! Addressing your problem, Which is not giving the clear idea for any problem. So what exactly is the problem you're facing? It would be more helpful if you could post your error messages or any information regarding your problem on the list, which would enable a large number of people to tax their brains and get some ideas and answers out! Because there are many changes made in the Fedora. So, I want to know that presently which distro is the BEST. For which we can get On line help, Full Documentation, mailing list and with updates Facility.. Well, for a new user (which you appear to be, correct me if I'm wrong!) there is hardly any difference between RH9 and FC1. This is because many of the underlying changes are for the better, an example bein g better hardware compatibilty (and support for legacy hardware), as well as a huge number of things which are too numerous to mention here. I'd personally recommend Fedora to you because it is a pretty user friendly OS to start off with. It may not provide you with some features which may be touted by others, but the docs and support available for Fedora as well as its ease of use should definitely (easily :) induct you into the world of Linux! For further reference, you might want to check out my article on this very topic - A beginner's guide to choosing Linux distros. http://www.security-forums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12426 HTH, vik = -- Viksit Gaur http://www.viksit.com me[at]viksit.com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Kernel Programming
Hey.. I want to start seriously with Linux internals. I'm thinking of a project based on thin clients as my final yr project, which would surely require these kinda skills. I'm pretty good with C, but no 8086. Cool Idea. I suggest you go through the majority of the system calls used in the kernel, to get an idea of what its all about. As for the 8086 code-writing, it *may be necessary to use it, but in most cases its not. (I'm trying to find a couple of tutorials on ASM/C++ myself..) Some books you could check out are: *Unix - Unix System Programming Using C++ by Terrence Chan *Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment by W. Richard Stevens *Microprocessors : 8086 and the Pentium series by Barry Brey As for programming for FC2 as yet, its dangerous as wel l as tough :) Dangerous because FC2 is still under development,and their cvs's are probably updated every 3 hours, so in case of any bugs you fall into a spot. I suggest you start out with a couple of 'Learner' OSs like MINIX or XINU. Apart from being well documented, they're small in terms of code base, and thus can be better understood. (Smal when compared to the mammoth 2.6 kernel anyway :) HTH, vik = -- Viksit Gaur http://www.viksit.com me[at]viksit.com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Bash Shell Scripting...
Hey! Is it coz of the fact that the device is still busy doing some work (just a guess...). If so, how do i find out that which all devices are using my cdrom/floppy??? Well, you just might do a ps aux | grep /dev/cdrom to see if any processes in the background are hogging your drive. If so, just kill them using kill -9 pid. Make sure the process isn't one within X, otherwise you might bring down the X Server! :) HTH = -- Viksit Gaur http://www.viksit.com me[at]viksit.com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Mozilla Firefox temporary internet files
Hi! Can anybody tell me where on my local machine is the cache of Mozilla Well, this IS a *Linux mailing list. We *normally don't answer questions like those (right guys? :), but I think I'll make an exception. c:\Documents and Settings\[user]\Application Data\Phoenix\Profiles\[profile]\.slt\cache http://texturizer.net/firefox/index.html covers most stuff. vik = -- Viksit Gaur http://www.viksit.com me[at]viksit.com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Postscript Wpes
Hey all! was trying to convert some .ps files into pdf, but ps2pdf and all other related tools just don't work. they all generate a pdf file which is empty and 321 bytes in size. whats the problem here? even tried the export feature in pdf viewers, but those are obv just frontends to these commands. Any ideas? TIA, vik = -- Viksit Gaur http://www.viksit.com me[at]viksit.com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] open office not working
Hello! Recently I re-loaded Redhat 9 on my system. The open office is not working now though it shows in the programme files and when I click upon any of its components it shows activity but does not open. Have you tried running it from the command prompt itself? Try opening a shell session (Konsole, xterm etc) from within X-Windows, and give the command (oowriter, oocalc, ooimpress for Writer, Calc and Impress). There should be a couple of error messages, which you could post back here, or resolve. Otherwise, its hard to make out why this problem is occuring. was working fine. I was actively using Open Office. I have tried reloading it from the installation CD but nothing happens. It sits in the programme tray but does not open. I can see open office writer icon too in the files that I had created earlier. The icons are completely unrelated. You can even change them according to your preferences. Re-Installing might not help, since this looks more like a problem with your window manager or something (not OO itself). HTH Regards, vik = -- Viksit Gaur http://www.viksit.com me[at]viksit.com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: Looking for Linux training institute. Really?
Hey! you just sent your name and details on a public mailing list with perhaps thousands of subscribers, in delhi. did i mention the list *may* have several lurkers from the instt you mention? Hehe, good thinking! ;) I was just thinking (and let me not be flamebait foe this!) - does learning Linux (or for that matter windows or what have you) really require an insitute? Lets see what an institute *should give you, in terms of infrastructure and instructors. 1)A/C labs with machines running the required software 2)Course material with excercises and things 3)Experienced faculty 4)A certificate (in or without association with an company like RedHat) Now, based on certain bad experiences which people have made public on the list (including but not limited to inferior facilities, inexperienced instructors etc), as well as having come across people who've faced similar experiences, why don't we decide before hand whether an institute is up to the mark or not? Now, that in itself is a tough task, since there exist no *definite certification guidelines (is the ISO or something valid here?). And, It is obviously not possible for a newbie to determine the standards being followed at any of these institutes. Another important factor here is, most graduates of such institutes rejoin them as faculty, without gaining too much practical and application specific knowledge (Correct me if I'm wrong). The result is imparting knowledge which itself is partial. (As an example, if someone is taught by an instructor, he/she doesnt gain 100% of the knowledge which the latter has. At the very max, may be about 70%. If this person then goes to teach another newbie, the resulting decline is easily noticeable.) Maybe its possible for the community to actually get together and form/or propogate a certification scheme? or at the very least, do (on a volunteer basis) a review of the more famous institutes as a guide to neophytes. and IMHO, getting your hands dirty sitting on a computer, with a couple of tutorials on the side, and actually *working on something new beats going through a book from cover to cover. Unless you actually try and manipulate your computer to do something, you're really not going to learn much. And as sorry to as I am to say it, most institutes (and even a few universities) hardly give focus to practical matters. (BTW, I'm currently *Not in Delhi, and these statements are *not directed at any particualr institute or individual on this mailing list. This is a general amalgamation of my thoughts :-) Regards, vik = -- Viksit Gaur http://www.viksit.com me[at]viksit.com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Visual Basic Access Alternate under Linux
Hey! Sirtaj Singh Kang is a developer of KDE, who's done extensive work using a programming language called Python. (www.python.org, www.kde.org, www.sirtaj.net) As mentioned before, PyQT or PyGTK are good alternatives too, as is Java. But, for developing an application rapidly, the latter isnt a good option unless you already know it. (Which is doubtful, since you're doing stuff on VB as of now..). www.gtk.org, www.trolltech.com have tons of links and tutorials. HTH, = -- Viksit Gaur http://www.viksit.com me[at]viksit.com viksit[at]linux-delhi[dot]org 'Not all who wander are lost.' - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
