Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
Looks like the pure solar plane hasn't made it yet, can't seem to get the weather to cooperate - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of sunlight at sea level. Now compare that to the amount of power required to fly an airplane, and the square meters of wing surface on the upper wings of the subject airplane. A little simple math, fill in some reasonable estimates for missing information, and I think you will begin to see that even if solar panels reach 100% efficiency, they still won't work... - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I beg to differ. Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly while the manufacturing cost continues to decline. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
I beg to differ. Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly while the manufacturing cost continues to decline. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:38 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. People still trying to get something for/from nothing (or more out of it than goes into it). Physics is still physics, and it'll work EVERY time. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane I am troubled by the ongoing fantasy that an array of solar panels on the wings would recharge and power the airplane. Or an electric car. That fantasy seems to be driven by a direct disconnect from reality, which in turn, seems driven by the belief that all electricity comes out of a grid socket and is instantly available and instantly transfers full charge to the battery bank. It simply does not work that way. PV panels absorb energy from the sun, then produce electricity at a relativly low conversion rate [even the highest tech panels yield only about 16% ]... Sorry to rain you your private parade. The reality gap between dream and production is a wide one, on the same scale as the ancient alchemist who believed there was a simple formula to convert lead to gold.. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:29 AM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It's certainly not the worlds first, Yuneec flew one in 2009 - - - according to the Telegraph: The aircraft manufacturer has unveiled the world's first plug-in plane at the Paris Air Show. http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_YuneecE430_ElectricAirplane_FirstFlight_200617-1.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwyyQ1BckK0 On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: All they need is a solar PV charging station... On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car
Apple could dominate market -- analystPublished: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 Apple Inc.'s reach could soon include electric automobiles, according to an industry analyst. If the world's most valuable company were to design and engineer a car, we are convinced it would be 100 percent a battery electric propulsion system, wrote Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas to investors yesterday. The company has reportedly already created a team to work on designing an Apple-branded car, though it has not made any comments on the topic. A lawsuit from electric-car battery maker A123 Systems this year accused Apple of poaching its employees. Apple can certainly dump resources into the project; the technology company pulls in about $15 billion in profit every business quarter, which is equal to four months of the research and development of all the world's automakers combined, Jonas said. The company could help pioneer self-driving cars, which some see as the future of transportation in America. A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned, Jonas said. A fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24 hours a day (Jerry Hirsch, *Los Angeles Times* http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-apple-electric-car-20150616-story.html, June 16). *-- BTP* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
Reality is such a harsh mistress.. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Looks like the pure solar plane hasn't made it yet, can't seem to get the weather to cooperate - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak? On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of sunlight at sea level. Now compare that to the amount of power required to fly an airplane, and the square meters of wing surface on the upper wings of the subject airplane. A little simple math, fill in some reasonable estimates for missing information, and I think you will begin to see that even if solar panels reach 100% efficiency, they still won't work... - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I beg to differ. Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly while the manufacturing cost continues to decline. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
Believing that CO2 is a greenhouse gas REQUIRES one to not believe in physics, so it is no surprise at all that AGW believers also think that solar is a viable option for transportation. http://www.kusi.com/story/19600263/why-man-made-global-warming-is-ridiculous - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:38 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. People still trying to get something for/from nothing (or more out of it than goes into it). Physics is still physics, and it'll work EVERY time. Wilton - ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
And. The useful load for that Experimental category airplane is Zero passengers.. Zero cargo.. but.. It is able to travel at almost 80 MPH... most days when the sun shines... for a while Soon... your majesty.. very soon... I'll be able to turn lead into gold and you will be incredibly rich.. I do need just a little more equipment and funding Reality surely sucks, doesn't it.. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak? On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of sunlight at sea level. Now compare that to the amount of power required to fly an airplane, and the square meters of wing surface on the upper wings of the subject airplane. A little simple math, fill in some reasonable estimates for missing information, and I think you will begin to see that even if solar panels reach 100% efficiency, they still won't work... - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I beg to differ. Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly while the manufacturing cost continues to decline. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
Like I said, Physics'll work EVERY time. It's gotcha right by the ying-yang, and not lightly - it's always squeezin'. Wilton - Original Message - From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane I'm going to answer my own question, as I think Andrew either won't or can't. The subject plane's wingspan is 9.5 meters, let's say we'll be able to fit 12 square meters of PV cells. When it is summer and the sun is shining, and it is shining directly down (local apparent noon), about 1000 watts per square meter reach the earth. So the maximum amount of power available for the PV cells to absorb is 12,000 watts, under exactly the right conditions. The subject plane has two engines, 30,000 watts each, so it requires 60,000 watts to fly. 100% efficient PV cells won't do it. What is the current state of the art, 35% efficient? Solar won't get you there, unless you can violate the laws of physics. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of sunlight at sea level. Now compare that to the amount of power required to fly an airplane, and the square meters of wing surface on the upper wings of the subject airplane. A little simple math, fill in some reasonable estimates for missing information, and I think you will begin to see that even if solar panels reach 100% efficiency, they still won't work... - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I beg to differ. Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly while the manufacturing cost continues to decline. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
Curly wrote: Oxidized Lapis blue? Show me your midnight blue? Is it the same W123 blue I drive? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
Max wrote: I'm with you on the nuke plants, not so much the electric cars. None of it works. We will pollute ourselves in to oblivion. Read the Pope Encyclical on pollution, greed. Ain't a thing to be done. Call it AGW or what have you - we either retreat to stone age or die polluted. Ain't that real fisiks? ...or, maybe it is christianity... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Want a Couple of M103 Oil Filters?
More finds from the garage cabinets. I have two Mann W719/13 spin on filters, which I believe are for an M103 engine. Cover the postage and they’re yours. Be sure to check fitment first, too. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1995 E300D Idler arm bushing Change and suspension work
This weekend I will changing out the bushing on my steering idler arm. Reviewing the service manual, I thought that the bushing need to be installed in a certain orientation, because the bushing themselves have a red-band around one portion od the outer diameter. The instructions do not mention anything about orienting the bushing when I looked it over. Hopefully when I go to remove the old ones, I may see if the same marking is on the old ones. I will also be changing center rod, right steering link, and the steering dampener. Lower ball joints and left steering were replaced ( 2 – 3 ) years ago. Replacement is probably due, as the car now has 420,000 miles on it! Robert Massmann Oregonia, Ohio 1995 E300 420Kmiles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
I'm with you on the nuke plants, not so much the electric cars. Ridding the world of coal fired power plants would be a great thing, but there is so much oil and gas in the ground that internal combustion transportation will be very economical for decades and maybe centuries to come. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On June 17, 2015 5:30:42 PM EDT, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Actually, I am thinking that building more base-load nukes and having distributed batteries (including in charging cars at night) around so that more baseload plants can keep cranking at a steady efficient pace around the clock, then dumping that power back into the grid or your building/office/whatever during high demand or using it in a car, would make some sense, while also having chemical power in a hybrid mode. --R On 6/17/15 5:17 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Solar powered practical electric vehicle.. Fantasy. Oil powered practical internal combustion vehicle ... Reality. Any further questions? Thanks you for sharing your fantasies with us Andrew ... By all means.. follow your dreams.. some day, lead may become gold by the principles of magic.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
Agree with all you said except the 16% part. The newest Sunpower x-21 series panels have an efficiency of 21.5%. Still not much better but over the life of the panels could give up to 75% more power then the 16% units, according to the manufacturer. Not really germane to what you were saying, but I did find it interesting when investigating for an upcoming 5000kw system purchase. Manfred Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:24:18 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com It simply does not work that way. PV panels absorb energy from the sun, then produce electricity at a relativly low conversion rate [even the highest tech panels yield only about 16% ]... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
Solar powered practical electric vehicle.. Fantasy. Oil powered practical internal combustion vehicle ... Reality. Any further questions? Thanks you for sharing your fantasies with us Andrew ... By all means.. follow your dreams.. some day, lead may become gold by the principles of magic.. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 12:50 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Like I said, Physics'll work EVERY time. It's gotcha right by the ying-yang, and not lightly - it's always squeezin'. Wilton - Original Message - From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane I'm going to answer my own question, as I think Andrew either won't or can't. The subject plane's wingspan is 9.5 meters, let's say we'll be able to fit 12 square meters of PV cells. When it is summer and the sun is shining, and it is shining directly down (local apparent noon), about 1000 watts per square meter reach the earth. So the maximum amount of power available for the PV cells to absorb is 12,000 watts, under exactly the right conditions. The subject plane has two engines, 30,000 watts each, so it requires 60,000 watts to fly. 100% efficient PV cells won't do it. What is the current state of the art, 35% efficient? Solar won't get you there, unless you can violate the laws of physics. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of sunlight at sea level. Now compare that to the amount of power required to fly an airplane, and the square meters of wing surface on the upper wings of the subject airplane. A little simple math, fill in some reasonable estimates for missing information, and I think you will begin to see that even if solar panels reach 100% efficiency, they still won't work... - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I beg to differ. Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly while the manufacturing cost continues to decline. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
I'm going to answer my own question, as I think Andrew either won't or can't. The subject plane's wingspan is 9.5 meters, let's say we'll be able to fit 12 square meters of PV cells. When it is summer and the sun is shining, and it is shining directly down (local apparent noon), about 1000 watts per square meter reach the earth. So the maximum amount of power available for the PV cells to absorb is 12,000 watts, under exactly the right conditions. The subject plane has two engines, 30,000 watts each, so it requires 60,000 watts to fly. 100% efficient PV cells won't do it. What is the current state of the art, 35% efficient? Solar won't get you there, unless you can violate the laws of physics. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of sunlight at sea level. Now compare that to the amount of power required to fly an airplane, and the square meters of wing surface on the upper wings of the subject airplane. A little simple math, fill in some reasonable estimates for missing information, and I think you will begin to see that even if solar panels reach 100% efficiency, they still won't work... - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I beg to differ. Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly while the manufacturing cost continues to decline. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:04:35 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/business/energy-environment/swiss-pilots-to-fly-solar-plane-around-world.html?_r=0 On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of sunlight at sea level. Now compare that to the amount of power required to fly an airplane, and the square meters of wing surface on the upper wings of the subject airplane. A little simple math, fill in some reasonable estimates for missing information, and I think you will begin to see that even if solar panels reach 100% efficiency, they still won't work... - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I beg to differ. Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly while the manufacturing cost continues to decline. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5961 / Virus Database: 4365/10035 - Release Date: 06/17/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
Actually, I am thinking that building more base-load nukes and having distributed batteries (including in charging cars at night) around so that more baseload plants can keep cranking at a steady efficient pace around the clock, then dumping that power back into the grid or your building/office/whatever during high demand or using it in a car, would make some sense, while also having chemical power in a hybrid mode. --R On 6/17/15 5:17 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Solar powered practical electric vehicle.. Fantasy. Oil powered practical internal combustion vehicle ... Reality. Any further questions? Thanks you for sharing your fantasies with us Andrew ... By all means.. follow your dreams.. some day, lead may become gold by the principles of magic.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
From old english, a word meaning an old, inferior rope. Gerry On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:47:59 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've often wondered when that particularly annoying anti-euphemism (junk) first came into use, and which cretin christened it. Any scholars out there who can come up with an answer? On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I wouldn't touch his junk. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel Buy my junk --R On 6/16/15 11:07 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Not mine and not '87 or '88 W123.More like '83 '84 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 02:48:14 + fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/cto/5075317850.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: https://accounts.craigslist.org/eafprefs/U2FsdGVkX18yNDczNzI0N3xW9GFAVbSYbaYMjzeAsBYYnjGqbXdmMuhMIRi7mzMhQ5fBHV8k1coNJ5P1NksM3w ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5961 / Virus Database: 4365/10035 - Release Date: 06/17/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car
They could just buy Tesla and have a turn-key operation with a lot of the heavy lifting done. The autonomous stuff seems to be getting pervasive amongst a few companies so that is not a huge hurdle. We are well on our way to having the mandate that all new vehicles will have hive algorithms so that no one goes faster than another, no one can do things outside of the parameters, and all will be subject to various tariffs, taxes, fees, and licensing and permits, as well as congestion pricing, mileage limitations and assignments, design types and styles, performance standards, and various other hugely effective social engineering goals -- cooperative autonomy. And no fun allowed! And all this will be controlled by a huge new bureaucracy similar to that which has had great success, say, delivering medical care to veterans or affordable care to millions or collecting taxes efficiently and without corruption. Of course we will have to invest $billions with the new companies that spring up, like Solyndra or the A123 battery companies that have gone bust despite these investments. Now we might have a few false starts, though the companies' owners will walk away with the $billions somehow (a good part of which will be reassigned to certain political committees), but overall it will be a great stimulus! --R On 6/17/15 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Apple could dominate market -- analystPublished: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 Apple Inc.'s reach could soon include electric automobiles, according to an industry analyst. If the world's most valuable company were to design and engineer a car, we are convinced it would be 100 percent a battery electric propulsion system, wrote Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas to investors yesterday. The company has reportedly already created a team to work on designing an Apple-branded car, though it has not made any comments on the topic. A lawsuit from electric-car battery maker A123 Systems this year accused Apple of poaching its employees. Apple can certainly dump resources into the project; the technology company pulls in about $15 billion in profit every business quarter, which is equal to four months of the research and development of all the world's automakers combined, Jonas said. The company could help pioneer self-driving cars, which some see as the future of transportation in America. A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned, Jonas said. A fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24 hours a day (Jerry Hirsch, *Los Angeles Times* http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-apple-electric-car-20150616-story.html, June 16). *-- BTP* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300D Idler arm bushing Change and suspension work
Hey Robert, long time no post! Good luck with that, I don't remember anything about the orientation when I replaced those bushings on my '95. I do remember that there is one or two exhaust heat shields that you need to remove in order to get a good attack angle for those bolts. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This weekend I will changing out the bushing on my steering idler arm. Reviewing the service manual, I thought that the bushing need to be installed in a certain orientation, because the bushing themselves have a red-band around one portion od the outer diameter. The instructions do not mention anything about orienting the bushing when I looked it over. Hopefully when I go to remove the old ones, I may see if the same marking is on the old ones. I will also be changing center rod, right steering link, and the steering dampener. Lower ball joints and left steering were replaced ( 2 – 3 ) years ago. Replacement is probably due, as the car now has 420,000 miles on it! Robert Massmann Oregonia, Ohio 1995 E300 420Kmiles ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
My view on the Pope's encyclical: he's just alienated a significant portion of his flock by moving into the political / AGW-religion arena. A few years ago, many protestants were considering converting to Catholicism due to the infiltration of leftists / wackos / LBGT movement that was totally perverting many American churches. Seemed like the catholics were going to hold the line against all that nonsense, and were finally dealing with the priests that assaulted/abused young boys, so maybe that would be a refuge of sorts. Now I fear many of those are quite disappointed in the new direction this Pope has taken. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: None of it works. We will pollute ourselves in to oblivion. Read the Pope Encyclical on pollution, greed. Ain't a thing to be done. Call it AGW or what have you - we either retreat to stone age or die polluted. Ain't that real fisiks? ...or, maybe it is christianity... mao ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car
If it's anything like their computers, it'll be obsolete in three years. Imagine, them telling you that your operating system is too old, car's computer is too old to handle upgrade. Buy new car. Thanks but I'll stick to my manual everything dinosaur mobiles. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Apple could dominate market -- analystPublished: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 Apple Inc.'s reach could soon include electric automobiles, according to an industry analyst. If the world's most valuable company were to design and engineer a car, we are convinced it would be 100 percent a battery electric propulsion system, wrote Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas to investors yesterday. The company has reportedly already created a team to work on designing an Apple-branded car, though it has not made any comments on the topic. A lawsuit from electric-car battery maker A123 Systems this year accused Apple of poaching its employees. Apple can certainly dump resources into the project; the technology company pulls in about $15 billion in profit every business quarter, which is equal to four months of the research and development of all the world's automakers combined, Jonas said. The company could help pioneer self-driving cars, which some see as the future of transportation in America. A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned, Jonas said. A fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24 hours a day (Jerry Hirsch, *Los Angeles Times* http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-apple-electric-car-20150616-story.html, June 16). *-- BTP* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car
Andrew wrote: A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned, Jonas said. A fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24 hours a day Err. Sure. And a car that _does_ have a steering wheel and pedals clearly can't work 24 hours a day or be shared. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
Max wrote: My view on the Pope's encyclical... This is hard to figure. Something afoot but hard to see what is happening regarding AGW, etc and then too the LBGT stuff you mention also. Tough times for religion and science... Either way, pollution and our ways will not cease, so... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
Grant, I can just see you watching the Wright Brothers lift off, saying they will never be able to compete with trains - that silly contraption can only carry one or at most two men On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I raise no arguement with experimentation and exploration what so ever. I do raise arguement with the segment of thinking that leaps forward with the assumption it is a finished and practical appliction product accepted by public use. It's not there yet.. it's not even close, yet.. Perhaps, but not yet. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:07 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Solar Impulse 2 (stuck in China last I heard waiting for enough good weather to cross the Pacific Ocean at 35 mph): with a massive 263-foot wingspan, the same as a Boeing 747. Yet even with that massive wingspan loaded with more than 17,000 monocrystalline silicon solar cells, and more than 2,000 pounds worth of lithium-ion batteries, the entire plane weighs in at just over 5,000 pounds. This allows the 17.5 horsepower to push the Solar Impulse 2 along at a maximum speed of… 35 MPH. Now, there was a time when most people scoffed at the idea of a home computer, and what would you do with one any way? A digital camera that would fit inside a portable phone? Impossible, or at least not good enough to use! Just because we can't see how it can be done now, doesn't mean that it's not possible, just that we don't know how - yet. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:08 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And. The useful load for that Experimental category airplane is Zero passengers.. Zero cargo.. but.. It is able to travel at almost 80 MPH... most days when the sun shines... for a while Soon... your majesty.. very soon... I'll be able to turn lead into gold and you will be incredibly rich.. I do need just a little more equipment and funding Reality surely sucks, doesn't it.. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car
That's a slick way to solve the problem where Uber drivers were declared to be employees (entitled to all benefits) vs independent contractors (another blow for unemployment). I understand McDonalds is experimenting with a self-serve experiment to combat the latest minimum wage laws. There ain't no free lunch. -Original Message- From: OK Don via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 10:23 PM It's the ultimate taxi. You won't own it, you'll just schedule a ride from where you are to where you want to go and pay through the nose for the convenience. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
Actually, several parties flew before the Wrights. The problem the Wrights solved was how to turn. -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:01 PM The Wright brothers were not constrained by physics, they were liberated by physics. Their insights were a glimpse into a whole new world of physical reality., and they were among the first. --R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
investigating for an upcoming 5000kw system purchase. 5MW? That's pretty big! There's a lot to be said for a mobile fleet of accumulators. If you use the accumulator to drive off, it's less likely that the juice would have been needed where it was parked anyway. Even if you don't go anywhere, your car is still working! Wind and solar could charge, as available, with nukes (etc.) picking up the slack. The fleet handles the leveling chores, the fully controllable plants handle the trends. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
More detail, if you're interested - *General characteristics* - *Crew:* 1 - *Length:* 22.4 m (73.5 ft) - *Wingspan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingspan:* 71.9 m (236 ft) - *Height:* 6.37 m (20.9 ft) - *Wing area:* 17,248 photovoltaic cells cover the top of the wings, fuselage and tailplane for a total area of 269.5 m2 (rated at 66 kW peak) - *Loaded weight:* 2,300 kg (5,100 lb) - *Powerplant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_engine:* 4 × electric motors powered from solar cells and 4 x 41 kWh lithium-ion batteries (633 kg), providing 13 kW[20] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Impulse#cite_note-Lipsey-20, electric motors (17.4 HP) each - *Propeller diameter:* 4 m (13.1 ft) - *Take-off speed:* 20 kts (36 km/h) *Performance* - *Maximum speed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_speeds#Regulatory_V-speeds:* 77 kts (140 km/h) 87 mph - *Cruise speed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_speeds#Vc:* 49 kts (90 km/h) (33 kts (60 km/h) at night to save power) - *Service ceiling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceiling_(aeronautics):* 8,500 m (27,900 ft) with a maximum altitude of 12,000 metres (39,000 ft) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Impulse It was in Japan in the last report I read, still waiting for weather to cooperate so they can fly to Hawaii . OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car
(Long article; parts have been removed.) Six university researchers have revealed deadly zero-day flaws in Apple's iOS and OS X, claiming it is possible to crack Apple's keychain, break app sandboxes and bypass its App Store security checks so that attackers can steal passwords from any installed app including the native email client without being detected. The team was able to upload malware to the Apple app store, passing the vetting process without triggering alerts that could raid the keychain to steal passwords for services including iCloud and the Mail app, and all those store within Google Chrome...snip Apple was not immediately available for commentsnip Recently we discovered a set of surprising security vulnerabilities in Apple's Mac OS and iOS that allows a malicious app to gain unauthorised access to other apps' sensitive data such as passwords and tokens for iCloud, Mail app and all web passwords stored by Google Chrome, Xing told The Register's security desk. Our malicious apps successfully went through Apple’s vetting process and was published on Apple’s Mac app store and iOS app store. We completely cracked the keychain service - used to store passwords and other credentials for different Apple apps - and sandbox containers on OS X, and also identified new weaknesses within the inter-app communication mechanisms on OS X and iOS which can be used to steal confidential data from Evernote, Facebook and other high-profile apps. The team was able to raid banking credentials from Google Chrome on the latest Mac OS X 10.10.3, using a sandboxed app to steal the system's keychain and secret iCloud tokens, and passwords from password vaults. Photos were stolen from WeChat and the token for popular cloud service Evernote nabbed allowing it to be fully compromised. The consequences are dire, the team wrote in the paper. Some 88.6 percent of 1612 Mac and 200 iOS apps were found completely exposed to unauthorised cross-app resource access (XARA) attacks allowing malicious apps to steal otherwise secure data...snip Our study brings to light a series of unexpected, security-critical aws that can be exploited to circumvent Apple's isolation protection and its App Store's security vetting. The consequences of such attacks are devastating, leading to complete disclosure of the most sensitive user information (e.g., passwords) to a malicious app even when it is sandboxed. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/17/apple_hosed_boffins_drop_0day_mac_ios_research_blitzkrieg/ --- Dimitri wrote: If it's anything like their computers, it'll be obsolete in three years. Imagine, them telling you that your operating system is too old, car's computer is too old to handle upgrade. Buy new car. Thanks but I'll stick to my manual everything dinosaur mobiles. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Apple could dominate market -- analystPublished: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 Apple Inc.'s reach could soon include electric automobiles, according to an industry analyst. If the world's most valuable company were to design and engineer a car, we are convinced it would be 100 percent a battery electric propulsion system, wrote Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas to investors yesterday. The company has reportedly already created a team to work on designing an Apple-branded car, though it has not made any comments on the topic. A lawsuit from electric-car battery maker A123 Systems this year accused Apple of poaching its employees. Apple can certainly dump resources into the project; the technology company pulls in about $15 billion in profit every business quarter, which is equal to four months of the research and development of all the world's automakers combined, Jonas said. The company could help pioneer self-driving cars, which some see as the future of transportation in America. A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned, Jonas said. A fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24 hours a day (Jerry Hirsch, *Los Angeles Times* http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-apple-electric-car-20150616-story.html, June 16). *-- BTP* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5961 / Virus Database: 4365/10039 - Release Date: 06/17/15 --
[MBZ] Reviving a Becker 1492 radio
I had two Becker 1492's on the shelf, one from my '95 sedan that got wet and died (long story), the other from a friend's '94 124 which suffered from the flaky volume knob malfunction. Using a torx #8 driver, I was able to quickly swap the faceplate from the drowned radio onto the radio with the flaky knob. Just tested in my '95 sedan, works like a champ. Now I need to pull the junk Sony radio out of my wagon, fix all the radio harness damage, install the 1492 and away I go... - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
so it requires 60,000 watts to fly. Maybe to take off, but typical cruise power is more relevant to how practical the system is. I still bet it isn't good enough! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300D Idler arm bushing Change and suspension work/becker radio
Max, Thank you for the comment, just wanted make sure. I have been thinking of pulling the radio in my 95 as I have lost the antenna command when the radio is turned on. Antenna function was just fine and then became intermittent. Pulled the antenna and is working just fine, but there is no out put from the radio. Need to make the special removal tool to get the radio out. I may have to break down and install a manual switch or command the antenna up and leave it up. Regards, Bob Massmann Robert Massmann Oregonia, Ohio 1995 E300 420Kmiles -Original Message- From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 8:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Meade Dillon Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300D Idler arm bushing Change and suspension work Hey Robert, long time no post! Good luck with that, I don't remember anything about the orientation when I replaced those bushings on my '95. I do remember that there is one or two exhaust heat shields that you need to remove in order to get a good attack angle for those bolts. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
The Wright brothers were not constrained by physics, they were liberated by physics. Their insights were a glimpse into a whole new world of physical reality., and they were among the first. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jun 17, 2015, at 10:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Grant, I can just see you watching the Wright Brothers lift off, saying they will never be able to compete with trains - that silly contraption can only carry one or at most two men On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I raise no arguement with experimentation and exploration what so ever. I do raise arguement with the segment of thinking that leaps forward with the assumption it is a finished and practical appliction product accepted by public use. It's not there yet.. it's not even close, yet.. Perhaps, but not yet. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:07 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Solar Impulse 2 (stuck in China last I heard waiting for enough good weather to cross the Pacific Ocean at 35 mph): with a massive 263-foot wingspan, the same as a Boeing 747. Yet even with that massive wingspan loaded with more than 17,000 monocrystalline silicon solar cells, and more than 2,000 pounds worth of lithium-ion batteries, the entire plane weighs in at just over 5,000 pounds. This allows the 17.5 horsepower to push the Solar Impulse 2 along at a maximum speed of… 35 MPH. Now, there was a time when most people scoffed at the idea of a home computer, and what would you do with one any way? A digital camera that would fit inside a portable phone? Impossible, or at least not good enough to use! Just because we can't see how it can be done now, doesn't mean that it's not possible, just that we don't know how - yet. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:08 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And. The useful load for that Experimental category airplane is Zero passengers.. Zero cargo.. but.. It is able to travel at almost 80 MPH... most days when the sun shines... for a while Soon... your majesty.. very soon... I'll be able to turn lead into gold and you will be incredibly rich.. I do need just a little more equipment and funding Reality surely sucks, doesn't it.. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBZ Tetchnickel kweationz.
Thanks, Jim.Max sent me a link for the Index. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 18:29:14 -0700 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBZ Tetchnickel kweationz. From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: jim.cathey...@gmail.com is it possible to get the old manual to run with Win7? Only the indexing is a problem. The data is all PDF files. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
What's a good Catholic like Bush and Rubio - trapped by right wing ideology- to do? Squirm, I guess. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Max wrote: My view on the Pope's encyclical... This is hard to figure. Something afoot but hard to see what is happening regarding AGW, etc and then too the LBGT stuff you mention also. Tough times for religion and science... Either way, pollution and our ways will not cease, so... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
On the other hand, there have been a LOT of promising technologies that challenged existing physics, and lost. Cold fusion anyone? On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Grant, I can just see you watching the Wright Brothers lift off, saying they will never be able to compete with trains - that silly contraption can only carry one or at most two men -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars
What most religious people do - ignore that parts that they don't want to obey/believe. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What's a good Catholic like Bush and Rubio - trapped by right wing ideology- to do? Squirm, I guess. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBZ Tetchnickel kweationz.
is it possible to get the old manual to run with Win7? Only the indexing is a problem. The data is all PDF files. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
Solar Impulse 2 (stuck in China last I heard waiting for enough good weather to cross the Pacific Ocean at 35 mph): with a massive 263-foot wingspan, the same as a Boeing 747. Yet even with that massive wingspan loaded with more than 17,000 monocrystalline silicon solar cells, and more than 2,000 pounds worth of lithium-ion batteries, the entire plane weighs in at just over 5,000 pounds. This allows the 17.5 horsepower to push the Solar Impulse 2 along at a maximum speed of… 35 MPH. Now, there was a time when most people scoffed at the idea of a home computer, and what would you do with one any way? A digital camera that would fit inside a portable phone? Impossible, or at least not good enough to use! Just because we can't see how it can be done now, doesn't mean that it's not possible, just that we don't know how - yet. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:08 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And. The useful load for that Experimental category airplane is Zero passengers.. Zero cargo.. but.. It is able to travel at almost 80 MPH... most days when the sun shines... for a while Soon... your majesty.. very soon... I'll be able to turn lead into gold and you will be incredibly rich.. I do need just a little more equipment and funding Reality surely sucks, doesn't it.. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car
It's the American dream to hand over all decision making and control of your personal life to an overpowering control from the cradle to the grave. Just as soon as we can breed out that pesky streak of independence and will to live. Have we been invaded by an alien life force? Where do these company planners get such ideas? Ohhh. .. never mind.. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If it's anything like their computers, it'll be obsolete in three years. Imagine, them telling you that your operating system is too old, car's computer is too old to handle upgrade. Buy new car. Thanks but I'll stick to my manual everything dinosaur mobiles. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Apple could dominate market -- analystPublished: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 Apple Inc.'s reach could soon include electric automobiles, according to an industry analyst. If the world's most valuable company were to design and engineer a car, we are convinced it would be 100 percent a battery electric propulsion system, wrote Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas to investors yesterday. The company has reportedly already created a team to work on designing an Apple-branded car, though it has not made any comments on the topic. A lawsuit from electric-car battery maker A123 Systems this year accused Apple of poaching its employees. Apple can certainly dump resources into the project; the technology company pulls in about $15 billion in profit every business quarter, which is equal to four months of the research and development of all the world's automakers combined, Jonas said. The company could help pioneer self-driving cars, which some see as the future of transportation in America. A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned, Jonas said. A fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24 hours a day (Jerry Hirsch, *Los Angeles Times* http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-apple-electric-car-20150616-story.html , June 16). *-- BTP* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
I'm guessing Horizon Blue. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Curly wrote: Oxidized Lapis blue? Show me your midnight blue? Is it the same W123 blue I drive? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
I raise no arguement with experimentation and exploration what so ever. I do raise arguement with the segment of thinking that leaps forward with the assumption it is a finished and practical appliction product accepted by public use. It's not there yet.. it's not even close, yet.. Perhaps, but not yet. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:07 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Solar Impulse 2 (stuck in China last I heard waiting for enough good weather to cross the Pacific Ocean at 35 mph): with a massive 263-foot wingspan, the same as a Boeing 747. Yet even with that massive wingspan loaded with more than 17,000 monocrystalline silicon solar cells, and more than 2,000 pounds worth of lithium-ion batteries, the entire plane weighs in at just over 5,000 pounds. This allows the 17.5 horsepower to push the Solar Impulse 2 along at a maximum speed of… 35 MPH. Now, there was a time when most people scoffed at the idea of a home computer, and what would you do with one any way? A digital camera that would fit inside a portable phone? Impossible, or at least not good enough to use! Just because we can't see how it can be done now, doesn't mean that it's not possible, just that we don't know how - yet. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:08 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And. The useful load for that Experimental category airplane is Zero passengers.. Zero cargo.. but.. It is able to travel at almost 80 MPH... most days when the sun shines... for a while Soon... your majesty.. very soon... I'll be able to turn lead into gold and you will be incredibly rich.. I do need just a little more equipment and funding Reality surely sucks, doesn't it.. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car
It's the ultimate taxi. You won't own it, you'll just schedule a ride from where you are to where you want to go and pay through the nose for the convenience. A few rebellious souls will insist on owning their own cars, and driving them themselves for the sheer joy of it, but will be filed or sued massively when the collide with an autonomous car owned by Apple, etc., regardless of who was at fault. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It's the American dream to hand over all decision making and control of your personal life to an overpowering control from the cradle to the grave. Just as soon as we can breed out that pesky streak of independence and will to live. Have we been invaded by an alien life force? Where do these company planners get such ideas? Ohhh. .. never mind.. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My announcement
We true German-Americans take note of your desire to become a citizen of the Fatherland. The next time Germany invades Russia, you will be given the opportunity to join the glorious Wehrmacht as a frontline fighting man. If you perform heroic deeds like true German soldiers; even when advancing to to the rear; you will be eligible for battlefield citizenship and a residency permit where you can drive real Mercedes instead of the lesser export models you now drive. Gerry HUFMANN Archer Rich Thomas wrote: I wanted to let you all be the first to know about my decision and announcement. I have been thinking long and hard about it, and had to screw up my courage but with your help and consideration I decided it is finally time to let the world know. I have become transGermansnip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
I am troubled by the ongoing fantasy that an array of solar panels on the wings would recharge and power the airplane. Or an electric car. That fantasy seems to be driven by a direct disconnect from reality, which in turn, seems driven by the belief that all electricity comes out of a grid socket and is instantly available and instantly transfers full charge to the battery bank. It simply does not work that way. PV panels absorb energy from the sun, then produce electricity at a relativly low conversion rate [even the highest tech panels yield only about 16% ]... Sorry to rain you your private parade. The reality gap between dream and production is a wide one, on the same scale as the ancient alchemist who believed there was a simple formula to convert lead to gold.. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:29 AM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It's certainly not the worlds first, Yuneec flew one in 2009 - - - according to the Telegraph: The aircraft manufacturer has unveiled the world's first plug-in plane at the Paris Air Show. http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_YuneecE430_ElectricAirplane_FirstFlight_200617-1.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwyyQ1BckK0 On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: All they need is a solar PV charging station... On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
Amen. People still trying to get something for/from nothing (or more out of it than goes into it). Physics is still physics, and it'll work EVERY time. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane I am troubled by the ongoing fantasy that an array of solar panels on the wings would recharge and power the airplane. Or an electric car. That fantasy seems to be driven by a direct disconnect from reality, which in turn, seems driven by the belief that all electricity comes out of a grid socket and is instantly available and instantly transfers full charge to the battery bank. It simply does not work that way. PV panels absorb energy from the sun, then produce electricity at a relativly low conversion rate [even the highest tech panels yield only about 16% ]... Sorry to rain you your private parade. The reality gap between dream and production is a wide one, on the same scale as the ancient alchemist who believed there was a simple formula to convert lead to gold.. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:29 AM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It's certainly not the worlds first, Yuneec flew one in 2009 - - - according to the Telegraph: The aircraft manufacturer has unveiled the world's first plug-in plane at the Paris Air Show. http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_YuneecE430_ElectricAirplane_FirstFlight_200617-1.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwyyQ1BckK0 On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: All they need is a solar PV charging station... On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Last night’s coil was number five of six that have been replaced. I already ordered number six and I’m picking it up on the way home from work tonight. I would rather spend the $47 for another coil than worry about it crapping out on them a couple weeks from now. At least then I know they’ve all been replaced at this point, as each one is a ticking time bomb. For under $100 I’ll be able to live with myself when they drive the car away. Now there's a use for an Advance Auto Parts $40 off on $100 coupon. With my S420, it had a bad #8 coil. I bought it an ordered a $50 Beck-Arnley, because it came with the boot and was cheaper than Bosch. Got an unmarked Chinese coil, but it worked. Car started misfiring within five miles on the way home. Computer said #4 coil. Swapped #4 with #3, computer said #3 coil. At that point, the car had 4 Bosch/Mercedes coils in it and four no-names. All 4 of the starmarked coils were made the 14th week of 1997. I bought a couple of Diften coils with boots from two different Amazon sellers. They were less than $30 each, I'd install whichever one got here first and I'd have a spare. So far, the Beck Arnley and the Diften are working fine. They look just like the other replacement coils on the car. I wonder if all the coils without brand markings on them come from the same place, and I wonder if it's URO. I'm pretty confident none of them came from the local MBZ dealer. Sure, I believe the seller, the car was dealer serviced and the seller had a stack of dealer receipts before his wife threw them out./sarcasm A car practically resting on the bump stops, with both front springs broken in at least two places each. A car with three noname coils, 7 Champion and 1 Autolite spark plug in it. At least I can be glad it had four factory wipers on it, but the passenger side windshield wiper had to be over five years old. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster
Good point. Good Midwestern ethics, maybe? I can assure you that if I visit my Dad's grave I'll hear him spinning at a high rate of speed, for sure. I have no doubt he would be aghast at the things that go on in the banking industry today. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2015, at 6:22 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan writes: That’s what happens when you grow up in a family of bankers. Once you give up your integrity, you’ve got nothing. Perhaps that was true of the bankers of yore. I don't think it applies to today's bankers, at the uppermost levels. Maybe that's why so many have had fatal accidents, and committed suicide in the last several years. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/who_is_killing_the_great_bankers_of_europe.html http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/04/suspicious-deaths-of-bankers-are-now-classified-as-“trade-secrets”-by-federal-regulator/ Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3117977/World-s-plug-plane-takes-Bright-sparks-Airbus-unveil-electric-two-seater-E-Fan-aircraft-Paris-Air-s-nearly-silent-flight.html Electric has been replacing methanol in model planes over the last 20 years or so, mainly because Lithium batteries have become cheaper than methanol and nitromethane and high efficiency brushless electric motors are becoming cheaper while glow engines are getting more expensive. I assume the Airbus is ducted fan because it's more efficient than propellers? It's surprising to me because you don't often see DF in models unless it's a scale model of a jet plane. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster
Last night’s coil was number five of six that have been replaced. I already ordered number six and I’m picking it up on the way home from work tonight. I would rather spend the $47 for another coil than worry about it crapping out on them a couple weeks from now. At least then I know they’ve all been replaced at this point, as each one is a ticking time bomb. For under $100 I’ll be able to live with myself when they drive the car away. It’s funny, because a couple of weeks ago when the youngest son was driving it he was complaining about a misfire. Try as we might, it wouldn’t throw a code, preliminary or permanent. Then, after a week of driving, it stopped. I wasn’t going to start throwing parts at it, so it’s good that it finally died now so at least I could address the issue. I’m driving the car to work today to run it through it’s paces thoroughly. Then I’ll feel comfortable about selling it. Dan On Jun 16, 2015, at 10:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Given the situation, I would have taken the buyer to FLAPS, showed him how to replace a coil, and told him to come back if that didn't fix it. I suspect once they start going, he'll be replacing one or two a year for the next 3-5 years. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3117977/World-s-plug-plane-takes-Bright-sparks-Airbus-unveil-electric-two-seater-E-Fan-aircraft-Paris-Air-s-nearly-silent-flight.html Airbus electric plane in flight at the Paris Air Show. http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03343/potd-plane_3343911k.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane
Airbus electric plane in flight at the Paris Air Show. http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03343/potd-plane_3343911k.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster
Dan writes: That’s what happens when you grow up in a family of bankers. Once you give up your integrity, you’ve got nothing. Perhaps that was true of the bankers of yore. I don't think it applies to today's bankers, at the uppermost levels. Maybe that's why so many have had fatal accidents, and committed suicide in the last several years. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/who_is_killing_the_great_bankers_of_europe.html http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/04/suspicious-deaths-of-bankers-are-now-classified-as-“trade-secrets”-by-federal-regulator/ Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster
Can’t help it, man. It’s the way I was brought up. That’s what happens when you grow up in a family of bankers. Once you give up your integrity, you’ve got nothing. Dan On Jun 16, 2015, at 11:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I want to buy something from Dan - anything. Even if I don't need/want it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster
Since I bought the coils on separate orders, they were under $100. I used the promo code TRT30 and got 30% off, knocking the price down to $47 and change. Advance has coils for the Mazda as cheap as $30, but they don't stock them. While I would have rather gone that route, I couldn't wait. I have an Advance Auto store 4 miles from the house that is a regional mini warehouse, as it's a former CVS store with a mezzanine. They stock a huge inventory and pretty much have anything and everything that's available from a store. Very convenient. Dan On Jun 17, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Last night’s coil was number five of six that have been replaced. I already ordered number six and I’m picking it up on the way home from work tonight. I would rather spend the $47 for another coil than worry about it crapping out on them a couple weeks from now. At least then I know they’ve all been replaced at this point, as each one is a ticking time bomb. For under $100 I’ll be able to live with myself when they drive the car away. Now there's a use for an Advance Auto Parts $40 off on $100 coupon. With my S420, it had a bad #8 coil. I bought it an ordered a $50 Beck-Arnley, because it came with the boot and was cheaper than Bosch. Got an unmarked Chinese coil, but it worked. Car started misfiring within five miles on the way home. Computer said #4 coil. Swapped #4 with #3, computer said #3 coil. At that point, the car had 4 Bosch/Mercedes coils in it and four no-names. All 4 of the starmarked coils were made the 14th week of 1997. I bought a couple of Diften coils with boots from two different Amazon sellers. They were less than $30 each, I'd install whichever one got here first and I'd have a spare. So far, the Beck Arnley and the Diften are working fine. They look just like the other replacement coils on the car. I wonder if all the coils without brand markings on them come from the same place, and I wonder if it's URO. I'm pretty confident none of them came from the local MBZ dealer. Sure, I believe the seller, the car was dealer serviced and the seller had a stack of dealer receipts before his wife threw them out./sarcasm A car practically resting on the bump stops, with both front springs broken in at least two places each. A car with three noname coils, 7 Champion and 1 Autolite spark plug in it. At least I can be glad it had four factory wipers on it, but the passenger side windshield wiper had to be over five years old. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster
So your entire family is Trans-German now? - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
Buy my junk --R On 6/16/15 11:07 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Not mine and not '87 or '88 W123.More like '83 '84 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 02:48:14 + fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/cto/5075317850.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: https://accounts.craigslist.org/eafprefs/U2FsdGVkX18yNDczNzI0N3xW9GFAVbSYbaYMjzeAsBYYnjGqbXdmMuhMIRi7mzMhQ5fBHV8k1coNJ5P1NksM3w ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster
What difference, at this point, does it make? --R On 6/17/15 7:09 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Good point. Good Midwestern ethics, maybe? I can assure you that if I visit my Dad's grave I'll hear him spinning at a high rate of speed, for sure. I have no doubt he would be aghast at the things that go on in the banking industry today. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2015, at 6:22 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan writes: That’s what happens when you grow up in a family of bankers. Once you give up your integrity, you’ve got nothing. Perhaps that was true of the bankers of yore. I don't think it applies to today's bankers, at the uppermost levels. Maybe that's why so many have had fatal accidents, and committed suicide in the last several years. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/who_is_killing_the_great_bankers_of_europe.html http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/04/suspicious-deaths-of-bankers-are-now-classified-as-“trade-secrets”-by-federal-regulator/ Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster
Based on my experience with the Mazda, I have to believe the COPs have a finite life, and when one starts to go the rest aren't far behind. Dan On Jun 17, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Last night’s coil was number five of six that have been replaced. I already ordered number six and I’m picking it up on the way home from work tonight. I would rather spend the $47 for another coil than worry about it crapping out on them a couple weeks from now. At least then I know they’ve all been replaced at this point, as each one is a ticking time bomb. For under $100 I’ll be able to live with myself when they drive the car away. Now there's a use for an Advance Auto Parts $40 off on $100 coupon. With my S420, it had a bad #8 coil. I bought it an ordered a $50 Beck-Arnley, because it came with the boot and was cheaper than Bosch. Got an unmarked Chinese coil, but it worked. Car started misfiring within five miles on the way home. Computer said #4 coil. Swapped #4 with #3, computer said #3 coil. At that point, the car had 4 Bosch/Mercedes coils in it and four no-names. All 4 of the starmarked coils were made the 14th week of 1997. I bought a couple of Diften coils with boots from two different Amazon sellers. They were less than $30 each, I'd install whichever one got here first and I'd have a spare. So far, the Beck Arnley and the Diften are working fine. They look just like the other replacement coils on the car. I wonder if all the coils without brand markings on them come from the same place, and I wonder if it's URO. I'm pretty confident none of them came from the local MBZ dealer. Sure, I believe the seller, the car was dealer serviced and the seller had a stack of dealer receipts before his wife threw them out./sarcasm A car practically resting on the bump stops, with both front springs broken in at least two places each. A car with three noname coils, 7 Champion and 1 Autolite spark plug in it. At least I can be glad it had four factory wipers on it, but the passenger side windshield wiper had to be over five years old. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster
Yep. Amen. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster Can’t help it, man. It’s the way I was brought up. That’s what happens when you grow up in a family of bankers. Once you give up your integrity, you’ve got nothing. Dan On Jun 16, 2015, at 11:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I want to buy something from Dan - anything. Even if I don't need/want it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
I wouldn't touch his junk. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel Buy my junk --R On 6/16/15 11:07 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Not mine and not '87 or '88 W123.More like '83 '84 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 02:48:14 + fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/cto/5075317850.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: https://accounts.craigslist.org/eafprefs/U2FsdGVkX18yNDczNzI0N3xW9GFAVbSYbaYMjzeAsBYYnjGqbXdmMuhMIRi7mzMhQ5fBHV8k1coNJ5P1NksM3w ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane
I love the little dangling power cord... On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 5:47 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Airbus electric plane in flight at the Paris Air Show. http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03343/potd-plane_3343911k.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
All they need is a solar PV charging station... On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3117977/World-s-plug-plane-takes-Bright-sparks-Airbus-unveil-electric-two-seater-E-Fan-aircraft-Paris-Air-s-nearly-silent-flight.html Electric has been replacing methanol in model planes over the last 20 years or so, mainly because Lithium batteries have become cheaper than methanol and nitromethane and high efficiency brushless electric motors are becoming cheaper while glow engines are getting more expensive. I assume the Airbus is ducted fan because it's more efficient than propellers? It's surprising to me because you don't often see DF in models unless it's a scale model of a jet plane. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBZ Tetchnickel kweationz.
Win 7 is no issue, you just need to get Steve Nervig's web front-end for the CD's, follow the directions to copy the CD's to appropriate place on your HD and then create a shortcut in Firefox that points to Steve's menu-launch hyperlink. Downloads and more info here: http://www.mercedeslist.com/serviceindex.html Could be OVP relay getting flaky, or the electronic idle control solenoid (ELR) on the back of the injection pump, or engine harness wiring is detiorating. There is a two-pin connect to the ELR which is hanging on the back-end of the IP, try pulling that off to see if that clears the symptoms. That should cause your idle speed to drop to the mechanical adjustment, which is supposed to be set around 550 RPM. You can manually increase that to whatever you like. My idle used to be really rough, I pulled off that ELR connector and adjusted the idle speed up to about 750 and ten years later that fix is still working fine for me. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Alles.Is there a W124 CD manual for windows 7, or is it possible to get the old manual to run with Win7? If so, how?The tachometer on my '87 300TD is acting strangely. coming down to a stop the tach will go to zero and back causing the engine to surge and the car to lurch ahead slightly.Raising the idle to 900+ stops the surge. My thought is that the flywheel sensor is dying. What think 'e?Fred.Desperately in need of enlightenment Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBZ Tetchnickel kweationz.
Max.Thanks for the link and info.I had considered the mechanical stop and deleting the idle circuit, though I'd prefer to fix it as originally designed, but that would still give me an erratic tacho.Onward and upward! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 13:02:04 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBZ Tetchnickel kweationz. From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: dillonm...@gmail.com Win 7 is no issue, you just need to get Steve Nervig's web front-end for the CD's, follow the directions to copy the CD's to appropriate place on your HD and then create a shortcut in Firefox that points to Steve's menu-launch hyperlink. Downloads and more info here: http://www.mercedeslist.com/serviceindex.html Could be OVP relay getting flaky, or the electronic idle control solenoid (ELR) on the back of the injection pump, or engine harness wiring is detiorating. There is a two-pin connect to the ELR which is hanging on the back-end of the IP, try pulling that off to see if that clears the symptoms. That should cause your idle speed to drop to the mechanical adjustment, which is supposed to be set around 550 RPM. You can manually increase that to whatever you like. My idle used to be really rough, I pulled off that ELR connector and adjusted the idle speed up to about 750 and ten years later that fix is still working fine for me. - Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane
Rodan 2. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew, et alia.The thing that gave birth to that must be a sight to see. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:57:40 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com; fredh.s...@hotmail.com Not really. Looks like an imperfect severing of an umbelical cord (a very long outie). On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Does it dangle with dignity? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster
True. He's dead, Jim. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What difference, at this point, does it make? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
It's certainly not the worlds first, Yuneec flew one in 2009 - - - according to the Telegraph: The aircraft manufacturer has unveiled the world's first plug-in plane at the Paris Air Show. http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_YuneecE430_ElectricAirplane_FirstFlight_200617-1.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwyyQ1BckK0 On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: All they need is a solar PV charging station... On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
I wouldn't touch his junk. Wilton. Neither would I, of either kind! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane
Does it dangle with dignity? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:40:21 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com I love the little dangling power cord... On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 5:47 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Airbus electric plane in flight at the Paris Air Show. http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03343/potd-plane_3343911k.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MBZ Tetchnickel kweationz.
Alles.Is there a W124 CD manual for windows 7, or is it possible to get the old manual to run with Win7? If so, how?The tachometer on my '87 300TD is acting strangely. coming down to a stop the tach will go to zero and back causing the engine to surge and the car to lurch ahead slightly.Raising the idle to 900+ stops the surge. My thought is that the flywheel sensor is dying. What think 'e?Fred.Desperately in need of enlightenment Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane
Andrew, et alia.The thing that gave birth to that must be a sight to see. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:57:40 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com; fredh.s...@hotmail.com Not really. Looks like an imperfect severing of an umbelical cord (a very long outie). On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Does it dangle with dignity? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
I've often wondered when that particularly annoying anti-euphemism (junk) first came into use, and which cretin christened it. Any scholars out there who can come up with an answer? On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I wouldn't touch his junk. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel Buy my junk --R On 6/16/15 11:07 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Not mine and not '87 or '88 W123.More like '83 '84 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 02:48:14 + fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/cto/5075317850.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: https://accounts.craigslist.org/eafprefs/U2FsdGVkX18yNDczNzI0N3xW9GFAVbSYbaYMjzeAsBYYnjGqbXdmMuhMIRi7mzMhQ5fBHV8k1coNJ5P1NksM3w ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane
Not really. Looks like an imperfect severing of an umbelical cord (a very long outie). On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Does it dangle with dignity? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:40:21 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com I love the little dangling power cord... On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 5:47 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Airbus electric plane in flight at the Paris Air Show. http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03343/potd-plane_3343911k.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
