Re: [MBZ] If it looks like crack it might be crack

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On September 10, 2015 at 12:23 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hail damage is a body mans nightmare.
> 
> Likely, if it had full coverage insurance [unlikely, due to the age of the
> car, few if any insurers would even write a full converge policy] it would
> be written off as a "total".
> 
> Yet... a $6,000 price is being put on it?

If it cracked the windshield, it's SERIOUS hail damage. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You should use it for a taxi then

--R


On 9/10/15 9:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I LOVE my wagons so much that I will replace the two spheres in the 1985
300TD even though they were replaced once recently.  The rear is uber
bouncy...



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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 09/09/2015 7:42 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
One of the guys from the Hawaii Section had his CLK55 wrecked, and is 
looking for another.  I am not sure what year he is looking for, but 
if you see any, I will pass the info on.




What would it cost to ship a car to Hawaii?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Turn signal/flasher 240D

[Bob via Mercedes]

 
My  left turn signal and flashers ( Mercedes) do not work when my parking 
lights or  headlights are on. Any suggestions? Works fine and flashers work 
fine when no  lights on. 
This  is my friends 1982 240D - Any suggestions guys  ?? 
Bob
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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I LOVE my wagons so much that I will replace the two spheres in the 1985
300TD even though they were replaced once recently.  The rear is uber
bouncy...

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> They ride so goood...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>  Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:22 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] wagon build
>
> SLS is like a Zenith carb.  People are mystified by it, but if they took
> the time to understand it and simply follow instructions when working on
> them, they would realize how simple and trouble-free they are.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 9, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Some people have an irrational fear of SLS similar to a fear of snakes,
> and no amount of persuasion can prevent them from removing it.
> > --
> > Max Dillon, fears neither snakes nor SLS.
> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] My only hold back on this is the rust, maybe I should buy it before Jaime does

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Don't forget "who" vs. "whom"!

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 6:30 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> And after ya get there, you'll be lying, too.  ;<)
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] My only hold back on this is the rust, maybe I should
> buy it before Jaime does
>
>
> >Where does that put one who can consistently use lie/lay, sit/set, I/me,
>> >affect/effect correctly?  ;<)
>>
>>>
>>> Wilton
>>>
>>
>> Methinks the use of the word lie in respect to a resting body is archaic.
>> In the common vernacular, "lie" is anything coming out of the mouth of a
>> clinton or a lawyer  (which encompasses most politicians)
>>
>> (Whew, I think I'll go lay down)
>>
>> After all the dictionary is a record of how a word has been used, not how
>> it is used.
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Re: [MBZ] If it looks like crack it might be crack

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There was a video I saw a few months ago about some paintless dent repair guys 
doing hail damage on a late model Honda. It was pummeled and it took them like 
two days to get them all out.  They said it was far cheaper than totaling the 
car.  For some reason I thought the cost was a couple grand.

Dan

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> On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if Dent Wizard paint-less dent repair would be able to fix that,
> and what the cost would be.  Anyone ever try that?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On September 10, 2015 at 12:23 AM G Mann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hail damage is a body mans nightmare.
>>> 
>>> Likely, if it had full coverage insurance [unlikely, due to the age of
>> the
>>> car, few if any insurers would even write a full converge policy] it
>> would
>>> be written off as a "total".
>>> 
>>> Yet... a $6,000 price is being put on it?
>> 
>> If it cracked the windshield, it's SERIOUS hail damage.
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On September 10, 2015 at 10:00 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Where did the last spheres come from? Manufacturers name?
> Maybe its time to stop buying parts purely on price? IIRC you source or at
> least look up, a lot of stuff on eBay. A cheap repair is not cheap the second
> time you do it.


Reminds me, I've got to do something about the new/sacked out springs on the
S420.
The boxes said Lesjofors, the car sat a little high when I put it together,
dropped
to level overnight, and was almost as bad as the broken original springs after
one
mile. That was four months ago, now it's worse than the broken springs. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] If it looks like crack it might be crack

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I wonder if Dent Wizard paint-less dent repair would be able to fix that,
and what the cost would be.  Anyone ever try that?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On September 10, 2015 at 12:23 AM G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hail damage is a body mans nightmare.
> >
> > Likely, if it had full coverage insurance [unlikely, due to the age of
> the
> > car, few if any insurers would even write a full converge policy] it
> would
> > be written off as a "total".
> >
> > Yet... a $6,000 price is being put on it?
>
> If it cracked the windshield, it's SERIOUS hail damage.
>
> Mitch.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] If it looks like crack it might be crack

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Dent Wizard is not a fix all kind of thing.. In my own experience, I bought
a new 2002 Ford F 350 Diesel 4 door, 4X4 pickup, Out the door price a bit
over $58,000, full coverage insurance [of course].

Fast forward 60 days, hail storm, windshield cracked in two places.. 18
hail dents in roof, 22 in hood. New windshield, new hood.. Dent Wizard
repair on roof damage cost ran a bit over $3,400, plus shop labor to remove
/ replace headliner to access bottom of dents. Total dent repair cost for
roof alone came to over $4,200.

The truck bed was saved because it had a fiberglass camper shell on it
which was also replaced. Total bill after two weeks in shop came to a bit
over $11,000.

I would expect shop rates have gone up since 2002, so to repair the hail
damage on this vintage Mercedes, out of pocket costs would run something
above that number, so a $6,000 purchase + say, $12,000 repair and
repaint...
NO

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The a**h*le seller might want to lower his price by around 50% for
> starters.
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > There was a video I saw a few months ago about some paintless dent repair
> > guys doing hail damage on a late model Honda. It was pummeled and it took
> > them like two days to get them all out.  They said it was far cheaper
> than
> > totaling the car.  For some reason I thought the cost was a couple grand.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I wonder if Dent Wizard paint-less dent repair would be able to fix
> that,
> > > and what the cost would be.  Anyone ever try that?
> > >
> > > -
> > > Max
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On September 10, 2015 at 12:23 AM G Mann via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hail damage is a body mans nightmare.
> > >>>
> > >>> Likely, if it had full coverage insurance [unlikely, due to the age
> of
> > >> the
> > >>> car, few if any insurers would even write a full converge policy] it
> > >> would
> > >>> be written off as a "total".
> > >>>
> > >>> Yet... a $6,000 price is being put on it?
> > >>
> > >> If it cracked the windshield, it's SERIOUS hail damage.
> > >>
> > >> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] If it looks like crack it might be crack

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

My neighbor in Houston bought his in-laws' car that had been in a huge 
Texas hail storm, looked like little league batting practice had taken 
place on it.  The inlaws got some few $k from the insco, used that to 
buy another car, and sold the beater to the SIL.  He didn't really care 
as the car ran well, was fairly new and he figured it would get beat 
around more anyway.  It was one of those roundy dodge or chrysler 
things.  i think he finally gave it to one of his kids.


--R

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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Where did the last spheres come from? Manufacturers name?
Maybe its time to stop buying parts purely on price? IIRC you source or at 
least look up, a lot of stuff on eBay. A cheap repair is not cheap the second 
time you do it.
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] wagon build
   
I LOVE my wagons so much that I will replace the two spheres in the 1985  300TD 
even though they were replaced once recently.  The rear is uber bouncy...


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

They ride so goood...
-Curt

      From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Okie Benz 
Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] wagon build

SLS is like a Zenith carb.  People are mystified by it, but if they took the 
time to understand it and simply follow instructions when working on them, they 
would realize how simple and trouble-free they are.

Dan




> On Sep 9, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>
> Some people have an irrational fear of SLS similar to a fear of snakes, and 
> no amount of persuasion can prevent them from removing it.
> --
> Max Dillon, fears neither snakes nor SLS.
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>


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[MBZ] Get the Boot

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Who was complaining about Allen-Edmonds not making boots?

Not any more:

http://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/mens-shoes/boots/normandy-boots/SF1660.html

And they can be recrafted, too!

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

In my case, I didn't realize the springs were different until about three 
months after I bought them. I sent a message to the eBay seller and they wanted 
all the details as far as application. When that didn't pan out, they got 
Lesjofors involved. Despite photographs of the springs side by side clearly 
showing they were different, Lesjofors just threw their hands up and said I 
must have had some sort of one-off version of a W140. I disputed that by 
showing them the EPC page with my VIN showing the proper MB part number, which 
they said it was in their application guide.

Never heard back from them. Fortunately, the seller was really good about 
taking them back and was involved in the whole process of trying to sort things 
out.

In my case, the stock spring was flared out towards the top by a good inch or 
more. The spring that Lesjofors said was the correct one was the same diameter 
the whole length of the spring.  They even checked the others they had for W140 
applications and said that none of them were like mine.

That's been my first foray into MB springs. It just reinforced the lesson of 
going to the dealer for the part.

Dan

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> On Sep 10, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On September 10, 2015 at 10:21 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Guess that means I'll buy OE for the 98 S420 that needs front springs.
> 
> The Lesjofors catalog info on the ebay listings seems dodgy. 
> For some years, including 97, they list the same spring for the S500 and S420
> For other years, they list the same spring for S320 and S420.
> I'd seen comments on Benzworld that the S500 springs were too stiff and made 
> the
> car ride high. 
> The EPC had 3 springs, and for my car specified the weakest spring with 3 nub 
> or
> 4 nub spacers.
> 
> So I bought the "S320" springs on eBay (which were $50-60 cheaper than the
> "S500") and 4 nub
> spacers from the dealer. 
> The result was the only bad spring experience I've ever had in my life, not 
> that
> I've
> replaced many coil springs. Maybe I should have used JC Whitney springs like I
> did when I put
> the trailer hitch on my Plymouth Horizon. I think I went to Carquest when my 
> '95
> Taurus broke
> a spring. 
> 
> I do still need to contact Lesjofors and see what, if anything, they will do. 
> If
> they tell
> me I have counterfeit springs, I'm going to kick myself $113 worth for not 
> doing
> something
> through Paypal/eBay in a timely fashion. 
> 
> I contacted the eBay seller, who wanted specific info on my car to check and 
> see
> if I bought
> the "right" springs. I sent him the whole story, beginning with the model, 
> year,
> and VIN.
> He responded that I sent him a blank message. I replied again, and he never
> responded.
> Looking back on it, I wish I'd filed an eBay complaint at that point. 
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Re: [MBZ] If it looks like crack it might be crack

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Great information - thanks, Grant.

Once shopped a pristine private sale 1979 450 SL C with some "light" hail
damage.  Very tempting but I couldn't pull the trigger and walked away,
sadly...

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:35 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> Dent Wizard is not a fix all kind of thing.. In my own experience, I bought
> a new 2002 Ford F 350 Diesel 4 door, 4X4 pickup, Out the door price a bit
> over $58,000, full coverage insurance [of course].
>
> Fast forward 60 days, hail storm, windshield cracked in two places.. 18
> hail dents in roof, 22 in hood. New windshield, new hood.. Dent Wizard
> repair on roof damage cost ran a bit over $3,400, plus shop labor to remove
> / replace headliner to access bottom of dents. Total dent repair cost for
> roof alone came to over $4,200.
>
> The truck bed was saved because it had a fiberglass camper shell on it
> which was also replaced. Total bill after two weeks in shop came to a bit
> over $11,000.
>
> I would expect shop rates have gone up since 2002, so to repair the hail
> damage on this vintage Mercedes, out of pocket costs would run something
> above that number, so a $6,000 purchase + say, $12,000 repair and
> repaint...
> NO
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The a**h*le seller might want to lower his price by around 50% for
> > starters.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > There was a video I saw a few months ago about some paintless dent
> repair
> > > guys doing hail damage on a late model Honda. It was pummeled and it
> took
> > > them like two days to get them all out.  They said it was far cheaper
> > than
> > > totaling the car.  For some reason I thought the cost was a couple
> grand.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > > On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if Dent Wizard paint-less dent repair would be able to fix
> > that,
> > > > and what the cost would be.  Anyone ever try that?
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Max
> > > > Charleston SC
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> On September 10, 2015 at 12:23 AM G Mann via Mercedes <
> > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hail damage is a body mans nightmare.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Likely, if it had full coverage insurance [unlikely, due to the age
> > of
> > > >> the
> > > >>> car, few if any insurers would even write a full converge policy]
> it
> > > >> would
> > > >>> be written off as a "total".
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yet... a $6,000 price is being put on it?
> > > >>
> > > >> If it cracked the windshield, it's SERIOUS hail damage.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mitch.
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[MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

AUTOS:Toyota unveils a Prius that moves beyond 50 mpg with a sleeker design

Published: Thursday, September 10, 2015

In Japan in 1997, Toyota, at the time a medium-sized force in a U.S. car
market still dominated by Detroit's Big Three, launched the
first-generation Prius. It was the first mass-produced hybrid and a seminal
blueprint to a new type of car.

On Tuesday evening in Las Vegas, Toyota unveiled the latest iteration of
the car that helped move a middle-of-the-pack automaker in the United
States toward an automotive hegemony worldwide: the fourth-generation 2016
Prius, which will hit showrooms next year.

"For almost two decades, we've been selling Prius. We've changed the
industry with this car, and each generation we've made a little bit better
and a little bit better," Bill Fay, group vice president and general
manager of one of Toyota Motor Corp.'s U.S. divisions, said to a Las Vegas
crowd Tuesday night.
[image: New Prius]

Toyota introduces the fourth-generation Prius. Photo courtesy of Toyota.

The 2016 model is not simply an updated version, but a new car housed
within new bodywork and built on a new suspension and platform, among other
changes. The front, not unlike the high cheekbones of a runway model, is
more angular than the third-generation and the hatch and rear setup are
boxier than before.

The new car will average 10 percent better performance in combined fuel
economy than the third-generation vehicles, which average about 50 mpg,
Toyota said. It will also be the first vehicle to be produced worldwide
through the Toyota New Global Architecture system, a method designed to
save money on common car parts across the company's fleet.

John O'Dell, senior editor for alternative vehicles at Edmunds.com, who was
at the Las Vegas rollout, said Toyota officials confirmed the 10 percent
mpg improvement.

"I think they'll do better than that," he said while driving back from the
announcement. "I think they're under-promising."
Searching for a broader market

Gasoline-and-electric hybrids are mainstream now, O'Dell said, noting that
fears years ago -- such as the concern that drivers would have to spend
thousands of dollars to replace expensive batteries -- have faded away.

"A hybrid is a known commodity now," he said. "There's nothing scary, odd
or unusual about hybrids."

With this sleeker Prius, he said, Toyota is trying to tap into a new pool
of customers. "It's not a compliance car," he said, using the term for cars
manufactured solely to meet environmental regulations. "It's now a car for
everyone." O'Dell added: "It's going to be sold everywhere, and I think
[Toyota will] push hard everywhere."

Longer and wider than its predecessors, the fourth-generation model is
about an inch lower, too. The car's "lower center of gravity and a more
responsive suspension," Toyota said, will "dial up the driving excitement"
without "sacrificing ride quality and occupant comfort."

Critiques of the Prius line have long hinged upon the notion that drivers
forfeit looks, responsiveness, handling and overall performance for
eco-friendly fuel economy. Toyota is clearly aware of that criticism.
A 'no-compromise vehicle'

After the newly revealed model landed on the stage Tuesday -- it had been
suspended by cables many feet above in a quick-but-glitzy announcement -- a
voice came over the speakers.

"A striking new look, smarter technology and unrivaled fuel economy, all in
a package that's more fun to drive than ever," the voice said. "It will
challenge everything you know about hybrids." Fay added: "It's really a
no-compromise vehicle."

Despite a market in which consumers are flocking to light trucks and
heavier cars, due to lower gas prices and flagging demand for fuel-saving
motor vehicles, O'Dell predicted the car will likely silence naysayers (
*ClimateWire* ,
Sept. 8).

"It's always been a knock on the Prius that it's pretty numb," he said.
"This should end those criticisms."

Toyota, the second-largest automaker globally (behind Volkswagen AG and
ahead of General Motors Co.) and the third-largest nationally (behind GM
and Ford Motor Co.), is billing the new Prius as a partner for its
fuel-cell car, the Mirai.

In a statement yesterday, the company said the car "stands side by side
with its sibling, the hydrogen powered Mirai, poised to change the game yet
again." On sale in Japan, the Mirai is scheduled to be unveiled in
California this year.
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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On September 10, 2015 at 10:21 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Guess that means I'll buy OE for the 98 S420 that needs front springs.

The Lesjofors catalog info on the ebay listings seems dodgy. 
For some years, including 97, they list the same spring for the S500 and S420
For other years, they list the same spring for S320 and S420.
I'd seen comments on Benzworld that the S500 springs were too stiff and made the
car ride high. 
The EPC had 3 springs, and for my car specified the weakest spring with 3 nub or
4 nub spacers.

So I bought the "S320" springs on eBay (which were $50-60 cheaper than the
"S500") and 4 nub
spacers from the dealer. 
The result was the only bad spring experience I've ever had in my life, not that
I've
replaced many coil springs. Maybe I should have used JC Whitney springs like I
did when I put
the trailer hitch on my Plymouth Horizon. I think I went to Carquest when my '95
Taurus broke
a spring. 

I do still need to contact Lesjofors and see what, if anything, they will do. If
they tell
me I have counterfeit springs, I'm going to kick myself $113 worth for not doing
something
through Paypal/eBay in a timely fashion. 

I contacted the eBay seller, who wanted specific info on my car to check and see
if I bought
the "right" springs. I sent him the whole story, beginning with the model, year,
and VIN.
He responded that I sent him a blank message. I replied again, and he never
responded.
Looking back on it, I wish I'd filed an eBay complaint at that point. 

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Re: [MBZ] Turn signal/flasher 240D

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Swap in a good used 4 way flasher - that oughta do trhe trick.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Bob via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> My  left turn signal and flashers ( Mercedes) do not work when my parking
> lights or  headlights are on. Any suggestions? Works fine and flashers work
> fine when no  lights on.
> This  is my friends 1982 240D - Any suggestions guys  ??
> Bob
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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I understand the new models will come factory standard with BERNIE 2016 
badges permanently affixed.


--R (who TRIMMED HIS POST)



On 9/10/15 11:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

AUTOS:Toyota unveils a Prius that moves beyond 50 mpg with a sleeker design





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Re: [MBZ] Get the Boot

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Do they sell them at Shoe Carnival?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Who was complaining about Allen-Edmonds not making boots?
> 
> Not any more:
> 
> http://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/mens-shoes/boots/normandy-boots/SF1660.html
> 
> And they can be recrafted, too!
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Turn signal/flasher 240D

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Bob.Missing a ground? Or wrong bulb?
YMMV
Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 11:30:16 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Turn signal/flasher 240D
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: rdeaf...@aol.com
> 
>  
> My  left turn signal and flashers ( Mercedes) do not work when my parking 
> lights or  headlights are on. Any suggestions? Works fine and flashers work 
> fine when no  lights on. 
> This  is my friends 1982 240D - Any suggestions guys  ?? 
> Bob
  
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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 10/09/2015 11:21 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:

I still hate them on principle. Mostly because of their owners who seem to
exude a green righteousness.
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And some who seem afraid to touch the pedal in case the gasoline engine 
might actually be needed and start up.
I almost ran over a Prius driven by an old white haired character who 
was going very slow and then came to a stop in the middle of an 
intersection on a left turn green arrow.
I was behind him trying to make the turn and he was almost bopped by an 
F150 for his trouble. Would have been my fault I suppose but it might 
have been worth it just to punt the jerk ouf of the way.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] If it looks like crack it might be crack

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

How was it "pristine" if it was banged up?

--R



On 9/10/15 11:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Once shopped a pristine private sale 1979 450 SL C with some "light" hail
damage.



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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I still hate them on principle. Mostly because of their owners who seem to
exude a green righteousness.
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Re: [MBZ] If it looks like crack it might be crack

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Don't be a p**pyhead - you know what I mean.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> How was it "pristine" if it was banged up?
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 9/10/15 11:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Once shopped a pristine private sale 1979 450 SL C with some "light" hail
>> damage.
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Get the Boot

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Those aren't boots, you'll slip and fall on your face at the first cow patty.
There are boots: 
http://www.redwingshoes.com/red-wing-shoe/815-red-wing-shoes/815-red-wing-mens-8-inch-boot-brown
-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes List  
Cc: Dan Penoff  
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 1:19 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Get the Boot
   
Who was complaining about Allen-Edmonds not making boots?

Not any more:

http://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/mens-shoes/boots/normandy-boots/SF1660.html

And they can be recrafted, too!

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Matson web site says $1100 from LA ports to Hawaii. $1700 from Seattle.

That doesn't sound too bad.

Dan

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> On Sep 10, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 

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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I like the idea of having a back-up fossil fuel engine in a hybrid, I just
wish they'd use a sensible Diesel engine . . . . .

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I apologize - should be "Prius"
>
> Anyway, I don't like the styling and would prefer an all-electric car.
>
>


-- 
OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The sensible system for a hybrid is what diesel locomotives use, a series 
hybrid where the diesel engine runs right in the sweet spot in its power band 
or not at all. The Chevy Volt is, as far as I know, the only series hybrid car 
on the market but its hindered by being a Chevy...
Pisten Bully makes a series hybrid snow grooming machine. Supposed to save fuel 
over the conventional type machine. I *think* the savings on that one come from 
powering the tracks directly with electric motors instead of hydraulics like 
the conventional units use. Considering the snowmobile club I'm affiliated with 
has a 1984 Pisten Bully (which shows no signs of dying) now I expect to get my 
hands on a hybrid unit around 2050...
-Curt
  From: OK Don via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: OK Don  
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 1:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters
   
I like the idea of having a back-up fossil fuel engine in a hybrid, I just
wish they'd use a sensible Diesel engine . . . . .

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I apologize - should be "Prius"
>
> Anyway, I don't like the styling and would prefer an all-electric car.
>
>


-- 
OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!


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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Too smart to make economic sense you mean. The 1.9l engines in my Golf and 
Jetta barely weigh anything, they're teeny.
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel  
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 1:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters
   
Good point.  Probably too heavy to make economic sense...

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 1:48 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I like the idea of having a back-up fossil fuel engine in a hybrid, I just
> wish they'd use a sensible Diesel engine . . . . .
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I apologize - should be "Prius"
> >
> > Anyway, I don't like the styling and would prefer an all-electric car.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Get the Boot

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Those look somewhat "fashionable"

--R



On 9/10/15 1:19 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Who was complaining about Allen-Edmonds not making boots?

Not any more:

http://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/mens-shoes/boots/normandy-boots/SF1660.html

And they can be recrafted, too!

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I apologize - should be "Prius"

Anyway, I don't like the styling and would prefer an all-electric car.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 10/09/2015 11:21 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I still hate them on principle. Mostly because of their owners who seem to
>> exude a green righteousness.
>> ___
>>
>>
>> And some who seem afraid to touch the pedal in case the gasoline engine
> might actually be needed and start up.
> I almost ran over a Prius driven by an old white haired character who was
> going very slow and then came to a stop in the middle of an intersection on
> a left turn green arrow.
> I was behind him trying to make the turn and he was almost bopped by an
> F150 for his trouble. Would have been my fault I suppose but it might have
> been worth it just to punt the jerk ouf of the way.
>
> RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Good point.  Probably too heavy to make economic sense...

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 1:48 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I like the idea of having a back-up fossil fuel engine in a hybrid, I just
> wish they'd use a sensible Diesel engine . . . . .
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I apologize - should be "Prius"
> >
> > Anyway, I don't like the styling and would prefer an all-electric car.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

You can find out on the Matson website.  it was $1350 in 1993  prior 
to that it was a weight and size formula.



On 09/09/2015 7:42 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
One of the guys from the Hawaii Section had his CLK55 wrecked, and 
is looking for another.  I am not sure what year he is looking for, 
but if you see any, I will pass the info on.




What would it cost to ship a car to Hawaii?

RB


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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

You mean this one? Interesting! Be great to have one. 
Gerry

2016 Mercedes-Benz E250 Bluetec
2.1 L, 4 cyl, Auto 7-spd, Diesel
EPA Fuel Economy
Combined: 33 MPG
City: 28 MPG
Highway: 42 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost*: $1,200
*Based on 45% highway, 55% city driving, 15,000 annual miles and current fuel 
prices.
Dealer price: $60,000 approx 
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-2016-Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-E250-BlueTEC-4MATIC-Scranton-t58315_L30680

www.fueleconomy.gov/

versus

2016 Toyota Prius
1.8 L, 4 cyl, Auto (variable gear ratios), Regular Gasoline
EPA Fuel Economy
Combined: 42 MPG
City: 44 MPG
Highway: 40 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost*: $850
*Based on 45% highway, 55% city driving, 15,000 annual miles and current fuel 
prices.
Dealer price: $30,000 approx.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext==true=AUTO=c25239=c25239=18501=NATIONWIDE=true=false=true

www.fueleconomy.gov/


Meade Dillon via Mercedes  wrote:

> I'll never forget the car review comparing a Mercedes E class diesel with a
> Prius, whereby the M-car returned essentially the same fuel consumption in
> far more comfort, safety, and class.  I am pretty sure that was with the V6
> diesel engine; now that we are getting the 4 cylinder in a Mercedes, should
> absolutely put that toada to shame.
> 
> -
> Max
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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 10/09/2015 3:19 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

On 10/09/2015 1:33 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:


In 1990 when I shipped the escort (Diesel Content) it was the same 
from any port on the west coast, and based on weight/volume formula. 
I think the escort was around $1100.  I chose Seattle, because I 
like it better and it was closer to WI where the car was.


So, the real question is "why did you leave Hawaii?"

RB



I ask that daily each winter.

PRH is loko also, but outside of Oahu, their tentacles are fewer.

My company was making money, the parent company was losing money, 
their parent was nearly bust from losing money but they owned 
thousands of acres and the house i lived in.  the middle company had a 
salary freeze.  the parent of the parent almost doubled the rent on 
the house i lived in.  That amounts to a drastic pay cut. So I left. 
There was no way to get ahead.  But I could have survived probably, 
and been  happy, but SWMBO did not take the rent hike well, or the 
skools.


I really liked driving the 200D around on the island.  60 miles to 
Hilo or 60 miles to Kailua.  I tried to drive it up to the observatory 
at the summit of Mauna Kea, but it started getting warm at the 10,000 
ft elevation area with 6 people aboard, so we turned around rather 
than risk the engine with another 3000 ft of elevation to go.


The escort went up the mountains to visit Herb Kane a few times. Herb 
created the jolly green giant back in the 50s and is a legend in HI.  
The 200D never visited Herb, but I suspect he would have liked it.


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I have only been to Hawaii once - 3 years ago.
We stayed in Kona but did the bus tour around the island so I have been 
to Hilo, albeit briefly.
We were there for my elder son's wedding. On Hawaii from Dec 27/12 to 
Jan 3/13 and then flew to Oahu and came left there about midnight on the 
8th. Did not do a circle tour of Oahu which I wish we had.
Beautiful place. Not sure what it would be like to live there all the 
time but might be willing to try it if I ever hit the big lottery!
Going to go back this year in January and take the cruise that goes from 
island to island over a week and then spend a few more days in Honolulu 
before we come home.


RB
My elder son and his wife did the observatory tour up the mountain.


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Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Well, here's one non-partisan truth:  The Government can't give anything to 
anybody without first taking it from someone else (and taking a cut along the 
way).

> -Original Message-
> From:  Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 3:16 PM
> 
> I'm not sure "truthful information" really exists anymore. I read both sides
> and figure they're both lying about 50%. The Dems say the economy is
> plugging along swimmingly and with more government intervention we'll
> have a utopia. The Republicans say everything sucks and until every last
> liberal is shot and buried and companies are allowed to run roughshod over
> everything God will continue to bring his wrath down upon us.
> I take from that if we basically leave things alone it'll probably be 
> alright. So
> far I've yet to be proven wrong.
> -Curt
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Benzin price Wuz: CLK55 needed

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Under $2 here in the Lowcountry.  I was going to hit Costco this evening 
but didn't make it.  It was in $1.80 last week, might be lower than that 
now.


--R



On 9/10/15 5:30 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Last weekend, there was a price inversion from normal.  Usually  
Benzin or Dissel is cheaper at Clear lake on I-35 and high in MN and 
then very high in N WI.  Going up, clear lake was 2.39, In the cities, 
St paul had 2.25, then across the border prices jumped to 2.45 to 
2.49, with some bergs higher. Wausau, even at Fleet Farm, the price 
was 2.49. In Eagle River prices are generally 10 to 20¢ higher than 
Wausau, benzin was 2.35.  I checked it out on gasbuddy before the 
trip, so i got Benzin at St Paul and Eagle River on the way up, and st 
paul on the way back. Clear lake had a Pilot station at 2.25 on 
Monday, so that was good.


TUesday, I saw an unattended coop (ethanol plant) selling Benzin at 
2.05.  Yesterdayi saw price on one side of the street at 2.39 and 
across the street, 2.25.  They are desperately trying to gouge us 
until someone lowers the price, then some of them still hang on to 
gouge some more.




Peak oil, that reminds me, another ridiculous scare-monger theory that
reality has dispatched for those impervious to reason.  Wait ten or 
twenty

years and there will be a new one to replace AGW or climate change or
whatever they call it these days.  RUG was $1.849 today, and I see ULSD
around $2.299 down to $2.199.  I wonder how much lower prices will go, I
think this current rapid drop is due to the storage facilities reaching
maximum capacity and now the owners have no choice but to sell the 
produced
oil at market prices, and the market is setting a more correct price 
now.


-
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Charleston SC


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[MBZ] Benzin price Wuz: CLK55 needed

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Last weekend, there was a price inversion from 
normal.  Usually  Benzin or Dissel is cheaper at 
Clear lake on I-35 and high in MN and then very 
high in N WI.  Going up, clear lake was 2.39, In 
the cities, St paul had 2.25, then across the 
border prices jumped to 2.45 to 2.49, with some 
bergs higher.  Wausau, even at Fleet Farm, the 
price was 2.49. In Eagle River prices are 
generally 10 to 20¢ higher than Wausau, benzin 
was 2.35.  I checked it out on gasbuddy before 
the trip, so i got Benzin at St Paul and Eagle 
River on the way up, and st paul on the way back. 
Clear lake had a Pilot station at 2.25 on Monday, 
so that was good.


TUesday, I saw an unattended coop (ethanol plant) 
selling Benzin at 2.05.  Yesterdayi saw price on 
one side of the street at 2.39 and across the 
street, 2.25.  They are desperately trying to 
gouge us until someone lowers the price, then 
some of them still hang on to gouge some more.




Peak oil, that reminds me, another ridiculous scare-monger theory that
reality has dispatched for those impervious to reason.  Wait ten or twenty
years and there will be a new one to replace AGW or climate change or
whatever they call it these days.  RUG was $1.849 today, and I see ULSD
around $2.299 down to $2.199.  I wonder how much lower prices will go, I
think this current rapid drop is due to the storage facilities reaching
maximum capacity and now the owners have no choice but to sell the produced
oil at market prices, and the market is setting a more correct price now.

-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, and I'll bet that real world mileage will be far better than the EPA 
figures, just like with current models.  Prius-beating fuel consumption, but 
with luxury and safety vice a hard buzzy ride.  Upfront cost is a little 
higher...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 10, 2015 5:30:19 PM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>You mean this one? Interesting! Be great to have one. 
>Gerry
>
>2016 Mercedes-Benz E250 Bluetec
>2.1 L, 4 cyl, Auto 7-spd, Diesel
>EPA Fuel Economy
>Combined: 33 MPG
>City: 28 MPG
>Highway: 42 MPG
>Annual Fuel Cost*: $1,200
>*Based on 45% highway, 55% city driving, 15,000 annual miles and
>current fuel prices.
>Dealer price: $60,000 approx 
>http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-2016-Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-E250-BlueTEC-4MATIC-Scranton-t58315_L30680
>
>www.fueleconomy.gov/
>
>versus
>
>2016 Toyota Prius
>1.8 L, 4 cyl, Auto (variable gear ratios), Regular Gasoline
>EPA Fuel Economy
>Combined: 42 MPG
>City: 44 MPG
>Highway: 40 MPG
>Annual Fuel Cost*: $850
>*Based on 45% highway, 55% city driving, 15,000 annual miles and
>current fuel prices.
>Dealer price: $30,000 approx.
>http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext==true=AUTO=c25239=c25239=18501=NATIONWIDE=true=false=true
>
>www.fueleconomy.gov/
>
>
>Meade Dillon via Mercedes  wrote:
>
>> I'll never forget the car review comparing a Mercedes E class diesel
>with a
>> Prius, whereby the M-car returned essentially the same fuel
>consumption in
>> far more comfort, safety, and class.  I am pretty sure that was with
>the V6
>> diesel engine; now that we are getting the 4 cylinder in a Mercedes,
>should
>> absolutely put that toada to shame.
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Was thinking the same thing. Prius is a pointless turd.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'll never forget the car review comparing a Mercedes E class diesel with a
> Prius, whereby the M-car returned essentially the same fuel consumption in
> far more comfort, safety, and class.  I am pretty sure that was with the V6
> diesel engine; now that we are getting the 4 cylinder in a Mercedes, should
> absolutely put that toada to shame.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Benzin price Wuz: CLK55 needed

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Sure hope you didn't run into any Hodags or Igarots, passing so close to 
Rhinelander...

You mention some places I haven't been since my youth, I'm sure the roads are 
better now.

Once in the '70s, we set out for summer vacation, probably going to drive from 
Ogema WI to northern MN to visit grandparents.  My father wanted to drive his 
really nice Adenauer.  We got a few miles down Highway 86, and hit some nasty 
road construction; the pavement was gone and all traffic was squeezed onto 
rough loose gravel.  My dad listened to that gravel beating the underside of 
the car for about 5 seconds, stopped and did a U-turn, got in a cursing match 
with the road crew for driving in their road bed during the turn, and went 
straight back home.  We unpacked the Benz and loaded into some beater American 
iron, and took that instead.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 10, 2015 5:30:55 PM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Last weekend, there was a price inversion from 
>normal.  Usually  Benzin or Dissel is cheaper at 
>Clear lake on I-35 and high in MN and then very 
>high in N WI.  Going up, clear lake was 2.39, In 
>the cities, St paul had 2.25, then across the 
>border prices jumped to 2.45 to 2.49, with some 
>bergs higher.  Wausau, even at Fleet Farm, the 
>price was 2.49. In Eagle River prices are 
>generally 10 to 20¢ higher than Wausau, benzin 
>was 2.35.  I checked it out on gasbuddy before 
>the trip, so i got Benzin at St Paul and Eagle 
>River on the way up, and st paul on the way back. 
>Clear lake had a Pilot station at 2.25 on Monday, 
>so that was good.
>
>TUesday, I saw an unattended coop (ethanol plant) 
>selling Benzin at 2.05.  Yesterdayi saw price on 
>one side of the street at 2.39 and across the 
>street, 2.25.  They are desperately trying to 
>gouge us until someone lowers the price, then 
>some of them still hang on to gouge some more.
>
>
>>Peak oil, that reminds me, another ridiculous scare-monger theory that
>>reality has dispatched for those impervious to reason.  Wait ten or
>twenty
>>years and there will be a new one to replace AGW or climate change or
>>whatever they call it these days.  RUG was $1.849 today, and I see
>ULSD
>>around $2.299 down to $2.199.  I wonder how much lower prices will go,
>I
>>think this current rapid drop is due to the storage facilities
>reaching
>>maximum capacity and now the owners have no choice but to sell the
>produced
>>oil at market prices, and the market is setting a more correct price
>now.
>>
>>-
>>Max
>>Charleston SC
>
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Re: [MBZ] Get the Boot

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

All sizzle and no steak unless you actually ride a horse...


Curt

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From:"Randy Bennell via Mercedes" 
Date:Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:41 PM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] Get the Boot

I prefer these

https://www.tonylama.com/footwear/men_styles_western-boots

RB

On 10/09/2015 2:07 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> Sturgis was around as long as I knew (from Dan) about A-E.
> Turns out they were on clearance a while back because they were
> being updated:
> http://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/mens-shoes/new-styles/sturgis-2.0-plain-toe-boots/SF1713.html?dwvar_SF1713_color=1713#q=sturgis=1
>
> For 'fashionable', I've been thinking about getting some Daltons in Chili or
> Oxblood:
> http://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/mens-shoes/dress-shoes/dalton-wingtip-dress-boots/SF0112.html
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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Dimitri sez:  Was thinking the same thing. Prius is a pointless turd.


Naa, not pointless.  It allows them to feel all pious and holier than 
thou...  That's the point of having one.


(Gerry excepted)

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Re: [MBZ] Benzin price Wuz: CLK55 needed

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Sure hope you didn't run into any Hodags or Igarots, passing so 
close to Rhinelander...


You mention some places I haven't been since my youth, I'm sure the 
roads are better now.


Once in the '70s, we set out for summer vacation, probably going to 
drive from Ogema WI to northern MN to visit grandparents.  My father 
wanted to drive his really nice Adenauer.  We got a few miles down 
Highway 86, and hit some nasty road construction; the pavement was 
gone and all traffic was squeezed onto rough loose gravel.  My dad 
listened to that gravel beating the underside of the car for about 5 
seconds, stopped and did a U-turn, got in a cursing match with the 
road crew for driving in their road bed during the turn, and went 
straight back home.  We unpacked the Benz and loaded into some 
beater American iron, and took that instead.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD



Definitely encountered hodags.  Went right through downtown 
Rhinelander both ways.  Got chased by some hodags while I chased 
others.  It was potatofest in Rhinelander.  Huge white tent pitched 
by Trigs.  We don't take the bypass.


Sadly Cirilli's has been closed for quite a few years, and now they 
are tearing down the building for "progress."   I loved Cirilli's, 
your SWMBO would have liked it too.  Great place to buy Italian 
pasta, great olive oil and other goodies.  I worked there one summer. 
Mamma Cirilli said my Italian bread was the closest to "home" of any 
she had in her long life the USA.  I consider that to be the best 
compliment I've ever received.  Italian bread needs good flour, dry 
dough, and lots of time, along with TLC and patience.


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[MBZ] Wherz my Paatz?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

I was expecting my accumulators today or tomorrow. However they made it from 
Windsor CT. to Springfield MA in only 2 days, and now, instead of bowling 
merrily down the 'pike to Boston/Lynn, they are off on a scenic ride to 
Michigan. The Magic Kingdom of USPS has me baffled, confused even.I knocked 
over the TV and broke it. These things come in threes, so I'm off to bed!And to 
all, a good night.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.   
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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Jim sez :

>> I still hate them on principle. >>Mostly because of their owners >>who 
>> seem to
>> exude a green righteousness.

>I call them smugmobiles.

"Smug"

http://youtu.be/AnFAAdOBB1c
‎
Rick 


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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I still hate them on principle. Mostly because of their owners who 
seem to

exude a green righteousness.


I call them smugmobiles.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Pelican Parts

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

If you ever order factory parts from them that are not in stock it will
take eons to receive your parts. You have been warned.

On the + side, anything in stock gets to LA in about four nanoseconds.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Must PU at their warehouse I guess...
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Why does Pelican Parts offer them for sale if they cannot ship them?  I
> > must be missing something
> > --
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> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
> >
> > On September 3, 2015 12:33:10 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >San Diego, CA.
> > >
> > >On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Where are they shipping from?
> > >> Is there anyone on the list who might pick them up and mail them to
> > >you?
> > >>
> > >> RB
> > >>
> > >> On 03/09/2015 9:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Pelican Parts just called to tell me they cannot ship nitrogen
> > >chambers
> > >>> (CA
> > >>> hazmat rules) so the entire order had to be canceled.  Bummer.
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

An escort diesel or a rabbit diesel would get 50 MPG.  A quantum/audi 
4000 turbodiesel would get 45 MPG fully loaded @70 MPH.  that is 40 
year old technology.




You mean this one? Interesting! Be great to have one.
Gerry

2016 Mercedes-Benz E250 Bluetec
2.1 L, 4 cyl, Auto 7-spd, Diesel
EPA Fuel Economy
Combined: 33 MPG
City: 28 MPG
Highway: 42 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost*: $1,200
*Based on 45% highway, 55% city driving, 15,000 annual miles and 
current fuel prices.

Dealer price: $60,000 approx
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-2016-Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-E250-BlueTEC-4MATIC-Scranton-t58315_L30680

www.fueleconomy.gov/

versus

2016 Toyota Prius
1.8 L, 4 cyl, Auto (variable gear ratios), Regular Gasoline
EPA Fuel Economy
Combined: 42 MPG
City: 44 MPG
Highway: 40 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost*: $850
*Based on 45% highway, 55% city driving, 15,000 annual miles and 
current fuel prices.

Dealer price: $30,000 approx.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext==true=AUTO=c25239=c25239=18501=NATIONWIDE=true=false=true

www.fueleconomy.gov/


Meade Dillon via Mercedes  wrote:


 I'll never forget the car review comparing a Mercedes E class diesel with a
 Prius, whereby the M-car returned essentially the same fuel consumption in
 far more comfort, safety, and class.  I am pretty sure that was with the V6
 diesel engine; now that we are getting the 4 cylinder in a Mercedes, should
 absolutely put that toada to shame.

 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] wagon build

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I am thinking of going 87. Can't bring myself to hot rod the 85 and thereby
reduce whatever value it has to virtually nothing.

Which begs the question, what does a totally rust-free 85 tdt with a new
tranny, rebuilt turbo and top end go for these days with everything but the
center vents working and newish paint? It is actually almost a fast car;
goes like hell after the new head and turbo. Been running synthetic since
82k; has 189k now. Interior presentable but could use new carpet in back
and passenger front. Headliner is fine, sunroof manual, no vacuum leaks.
Basically totally functional but no blow from center vents so I guess that
is next. AC cold, new controller. Yada yada. You get the idea; very good
shape.

Karl



On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> In my case, I didn't realize the springs were different until about three
> months after I bought them. I sent a message to the eBay seller and they
> wanted all the details as far as application. When that didn't pan out,
> they got Lesjofors involved. Despite photographs of the springs side by
> side clearly showing they were different, Lesjofors just threw their hands
> up and said I must have had some sort of one-off version of a W140. I
> disputed that by showing them the EPC page with my VIN showing the proper
> MB part number, which they said it was in their application guide.
>
> Never heard back from them. Fortunately, the seller was really good about
> taking them back and was involved in the whole process of trying to sort
> things out.
>
> In my case, the stock spring was flared out towards the top by a good inch
> or more. The spring that Lesjofors said was the correct one was the same
> diameter the whole length of the spring.  They even checked the others they
> had for W140 applications and said that none of them were like mine.
>
> That's been my first foray into MB springs. It just reinforced the lesson
> of going to the dealer for the part.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Sep 10, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> On September 10, 2015 at 10:21 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Guess that means I'll buy OE for the 98 S420 that needs front springs.
> >
> > The Lesjofors catalog info on the ebay listings seems dodgy.
> > For some years, including 97, they list the same spring for the S500 and
> S420
> > For other years, they list the same spring for S320 and S420.
> > I'd seen comments on Benzworld that the S500 springs were too stiff and
> made the
> > car ride high.
> > The EPC had 3 springs, and for my car specified the weakest spring with
> 3 nub or
> > 4 nub spacers.
> >
> > So I bought the "S320" springs on eBay (which were $50-60 cheaper than
> the
> > "S500") and 4 nub
> > spacers from the dealer.
> > The result was the only bad spring experience I've ever had in my life,
> not that
> > I've
> > replaced many coil springs. Maybe I should have used JC Whitney springs
> like I
> > did when I put
> > the trailer hitch on my Plymouth Horizon. I think I went to Carquest
> when my '95
> > Taurus broke
> > a spring.
> >
> > I do still need to contact Lesjofors and see what, if anything, they
> will do. If
> > they tell
> > me I have counterfeit springs, I'm going to kick myself $113 worth for
> not doing
> > something
> > through Paypal/eBay in a timely fashion.
> >
> > I contacted the eBay seller, who wanted specific info on my car to check
> and see
> > if I bought
> > the "right" springs. I sent him the whole story, beginning with the
> model, year,
> > and VIN.
> > He responded that I sent him a blank message. I replied again, and he
> never
> > responded.
> > Looking back on it, I wish I'd filed an eBay complaint at that point.
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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I like the idea of having a back-up fossil fuel engine in
a hybrid, I just wish they'd use a sensible Diesel engine


The strength of a diesel is at partial throttle, which is
not necessary in a series hybrid.  I think the _best_ series
hybrid would be a small turbine engine.  Turbines, gas,
and diesels are all approximately equally efficient at
full throttle.  Turbines suck at throttle response.  That
is not necessary in a battery charger in a series hybrid.
So, fixed-speed running in its sweet spot, that's a turbine.

A turbine would be really small, and doesn't need a liquid
cooling system.  (Just a little oil cooler.)  At fixed RPM
you could really quiet it as well.  Co-gen for cabin heat
would also be nice.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Need a Becker radio code

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Just google it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Does anyone have a link to a free website that provides codes for a Becker
> radio using the serial number?  I'm too lazy to go to the dealer. ...
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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'll never forget the car review comparing a Mercedes E class diesel with a
Prius, whereby the M-car returned essentially the same fuel consumption in
far more comfort, safety, and class.  I am pretty sure that was with the V6
diesel engine; now that we are getting the 4 cylinder in a Mercedes, should
absolutely put that toada to shame.

-
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Re: [MBZ] Get the Boot

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

No. no, Curt. Gentleman's boots to wear to the office.
Hopefully no cow pies will be encountered.

RB

On 10/09/2015 12:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Those aren't boots, you'll slip and fall on your face at the first cow patty.
There are boots: 
http://www.redwingshoes.com/red-wing-shoe/815-red-wing-shoes/815-red-wing-mens-8-inch-boot-brown
-Curt

   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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Cc: Dan Penoff 
  Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 1:19 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] Get the Boot

Who was complaining about Allen-Edmonds not making boots?


Not any more:

http://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/mens-shoes/boots/normandy-boots/SF1660.html

And they can be recrafted, too!

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Need a Becker radio code

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks.  I phoned a dealer parts parts guy with whom I made a recent
order.  He was very accommodating...  ;).

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Call Eddie or Tom and ask nicely. Tell them you're an MB list member who
> heard about them here.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 10, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have a link to a free website that provides codes for a
> Becker
> > radio using the serial number?  I'm too lazy to go to the dealer. ...
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Re: [MBZ] Get the Boot

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I prefer these

https://www.tonylama.com/footwear/men_styles_western-boots

RB

On 10/09/2015 2:07 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Sturgis was around as long as I knew (from Dan) about A-E.
Turns out they were on clearance a while back because they were
being updated:
http://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/mens-shoes/new-styles/sturgis-2.0-plain-toe-boots/SF1713.html?dwvar_SF1713_color=1713#q=sturgis=1

For 'fashionable', I've been thinking about getting some Daltons in Chili or
Oxblood:
http://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/mens-shoes/dress-shoes/dalton-wingtip-dress-boots/SF0112.html

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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

LOL.  Unexpected but not welcome.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
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> Free salt while on deck?
>>
>> RB
>>
>
> My 200D was on a barge for interisland.  It was totally white when we
> picked it up in Hilo.  It is a blue car.   Very well salted.  For mainland,
> they are generally in the hold, so no salt.
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Re: [MBZ] Get the Boot

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Sturgis was around as long as I knew (from Dan) about A-E.
Turns out they were on clearance a while back because they were
being updated:
http://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/mens-shoes/new-styles/sturgis-2.0-plain-toe-boots/SF1713.html?dwvar_SF1713_color=1713#q=sturgis=1

For 'fashionable', I've been thinking about getting some Daltons in Chili or
Oxblood:
http://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/mens-shoes/dress-shoes/dalton-wingtip-dress-boots/SF0112.html

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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[WILTON via Mercedes]

GM ruined the American Diesel market in late 70's with their "Diesel" engine 
cobbled from blocks barely good enough to combust gasoline reliably - tried 
to do it "on-the-cheap."  GM had been building some of the world's best 
Diesel engines for power generation, locomotives and long-distance trucks 
since mid-thirties, but they, suddenly, could not build one suitable for a 
passenger car.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "fmiser via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "fmiser" 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters



> OK Don wrote:
>
> I like the idea of having a back-up fossil fuel engine in
> a hybrid, I just wish they'd use a sensible Diesel
> engine . . . . .



Andrew wrote:

Good point.  Probably too heavy to make economic sense...


A diesel isn't necessarily heavy.  Cessna now sells the 182 with ONLY
a diesel cycle engine, and that is a market that is very
weight sensitive.

And the batteries are a much bigger weight penalty than the
engine.

I think it's probably marketing.  In the US, marketing tells
us diesels are for big trucks, wannabe big trucks, and hard
working light trucks only.

Silly marketing.

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Re: [MBZ] Need a Becker radio code

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I did but they all are pay sites.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Just google it
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have a link to a free website that provides codes for a
> Becker
> > radio using the serial number?  I'm too lazy to go to the dealer. ...
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Re: [MBZ] Need a Becker radio code

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Joined years ago.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If you lower yourself to join a forum, you can probably get it here:
>
>
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/car-audio-multimedia/123722-becker-1432-radio-code-9.html
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I did but they all are pay sites.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Just google it
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have a link to a free website that provides codes for a
> > > Becker
> > > > radio using the serial number?  I'm too lazy to go to the dealer. ...
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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 10/09/2015 1:33 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Matson web site says $1100 from LA ports to Hawaii. $1700 from Seattle.

That doesn't sound too bad.

Dan



Nope.  Even on a new car I could probably save enough in LA to have it 
shipped.


In 1990 when I shipped the escort (Diesel Content) it was the same 
from any port on the west coast, and based on weight/volume formula. I 
think the escort was around $1100.  I chose Seattle, because I like it 
better and it was closer to WI where the car was.  Drove it out there 
with 55 speed limits in 2 days, back to back  Ironbutt days of over 
1000 miles each.


Montana never ends at 55 mph.   it is bad at 70-75, but interminable 
at 55.


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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 10/09/2015 3:02 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:



On September 10, 2015 at 3:51 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:


So, the real question is "why did you leave Hawaii?"

Because the politics are more anti-Curly than those in DC?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > OK Don wrote:
> >
> > I like the idea of having a back-up fossil fuel engine in
> > a hybrid, I just wish they'd use a sensible Diesel
> > engine . . . . .

> Andrew wrote:
> 
> Good point.  Probably too heavy to make economic sense...

A diesel isn't necessarily heavy.  Cessna now sells the 182 with ONLY
a diesel cycle engine, and that is a market that is very
weight sensitive.

And the batteries are a much bigger weight penalty than the
engine.

I think it's probably marketing.  In the US, marketing tells
us diesels are for big trucks, wannabe big trucks, and hard
working light trucks only.

Silly marketing.

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[MBZ] Need a Becker radio code

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Does anyone have a link to a free website that provides codes for a Becker
radio using the serial number?  I'm too lazy to go to the dealer. ...
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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, I'd be a lot more for them if they'd use a Diesel engine.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters



I like the idea of having a back-up fossil fuel engine in a hybrid, I just
wish they'd use a sensible Diesel engine . . . . .

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I apologize - should be "Prius"

Anyway, I don't like the styling and would prefer an all-electric car.





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Re: [MBZ] Need a Becker radio code

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

If you lower yourself to join a forum, you can probably get it here:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/car-audio-multimedia/123722-becker-1432-radio-code-9.html

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> I did but they all are pay sites.
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> >
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> > Becker
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Re: [MBZ] Need a Becker radio code

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Call Eddie or Tom and ask nicely. Tell them you're an MB list member who heard 
about them here.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Free salt while on deck?

RB

On 10/09/2015 1:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Matson web site says $1100 from LA ports to Hawaii. $1700 from Seattle.

That doesn't sound too bad.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Matson web site says $1100 from LA ports to Hawaii. $1700 from Seattle.

That doesn't sound too bad.

Dan



Nope.  Even on a new car I could probably save enough in LA to have it shipped.

In 1990 when I shipped the escort (Diesel Content) it was the same 
from any port on the west coast, and based on weight/volume formula. 
I think the escort was around $1100.  I chose Seattle, because I like 
it better and it was closer to WI where the car was.  Drove it out 
there with 55 speed limits in 2 days, back to back  Ironbutt days of 
over 1000 miles each.


Montana never ends at 55 mph.   it is bad at 70-75, but interminable at 55.

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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 10/09/2015 1:33 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:


In 1990 when I shipped the escort (Diesel Content) it was the same 
from any port on the west coast, and based on weight/volume formula. I 
think the escort was around $1100.  I chose Seattle, because I like it 
better and it was closer to WI where the car was. 


So, the real question is "why did you leave Hawaii?"

RB


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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

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> On September 10, 2015 at 3:51 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So, the real question is "why did you leave Hawaii?"

Because the politics are more anti-Curly than those in DC?

Mitch. 

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Re: [MBZ] The demise pf Pruis h*ters

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

It looks surprisingly like a Chevy Volt... ;)
Finally going to beat the mileage mark laid down by the gen 3 Jetta TDI... 
Actually the original Honda Insite probably holds the record for high mileage 
in the US anyway.
-Curt
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AUTOS:Toyota unveils a Prius that moves beyond 50 mpg with a sleeker design

Published: Thursday, September 10, 2015

In Japan in 1997, Toyota, at the time a medium-sized force in a U.S. car
market still dominated by Detroit's Big Three, launched the
first-generation Prius. It was the first mass-produced hybrid and a seminal
blueprint to a new type of car.

On Tuesday evening in Las Vegas, Toyota unveiled the latest iteration of
the car that helped move a middle-of-the-pack automaker in the United
States toward an automotive hegemony worldwide: the fourth-generation 2016
Prius, which will hit showrooms next year.

"For almost two decades, we've been selling Prius. We've changed the
industry with this car, and each generation we've made a little bit better
and a little bit better," Bill Fay, group vice president and general
manager of one of Toyota Motor Corp.'s U.S. divisions, said to a Las Vegas
crowd Tuesday night.
[image: New Prius]

Toyota introduces the fourth-generation Prius. Photo courtesy of Toyota.

The 2016 model is not simply an updated version, but a new car housed
within new bodywork and built on a new suspension and platform, among other
changes. The front, not unlike the high cheekbones of a runway model, is
more angular than the third-generation and the hatch and rear setup are
boxier than before.

The new car will average 10 percent better performance in combined fuel
economy than the third-generation vehicles, which average about 50 mpg,
Toyota said. It will also be the first vehicle to be produced worldwide
through the Toyota New Global Architecture system, a method designed to
save money on common car parts across the company's fleet.

John O'Dell, senior editor for alternative vehicles at Edmunds.com, who was
at the Las Vegas rollout, said Toyota officials confirmed the 10 percent
mpg improvement.

"I think they'll do better than that," he said while driving back from the
announcement. "I think they're under-promising."
Searching for a broader market

Gasoline-and-electric hybrids are mainstream now, O'Dell said, noting that
fears years ago -- such as the concern that drivers would have to spend
thousands of dollars to replace expensive batteries -- have faded away.

"A hybrid is a known commodity now," he said. "There's nothing scary, odd
or unusual about hybrids."

With this sleeker Prius, he said, Toyota is trying to tap into a new pool
of customers. "It's not a compliance car," he said, using the term for cars
manufactured solely to meet environmental regulations. "It's now a car for
everyone." O'Dell added: "It's going to be sold everywhere, and I think
[Toyota will] push hard everywhere."

Longer and wider than its predecessors, the fourth-generation model is
about an inch lower, too. The car's "lower center of gravity and a more
responsive suspension," Toyota said, will "dial up the driving excitement"
without "sacrificing ride quality and occupant comfort."

Critiques of the Prius line have long hinged upon the notion that drivers
forfeit looks, responsiveness, handling and overall performance for
eco-friendly fuel economy. Toyota is clearly aware of that criticism.
A 'no-compromise vehicle'

After the newly revealed model landed on the stage Tuesday -- it had been
suspended by cables many feet above in a quick-but-glitzy announcement -- a
voice came over the speakers.

"A striking new look, smarter technology and unrivaled fuel economy, all in
a package that's more fun to drive than ever," the voice said. "It will
challenge everything you know about hybrids." Fay added: "It's really a
no-compromise vehicle."

Despite a market in which consumers are flocking to light trucks and
heavier cars, due to lower gas prices and flagging demand for fuel-saving
motor vehicles, O'Dell predicted the car will likely silence naysayers (
*ClimateWire* ,
Sept. 8).

"It's always been a knock on the Prius that it's pretty numb," he said.
"This should end those criticisms."

Toyota, the second-largest automaker globally (behind Volkswagen AG and
ahead of General Motors Co.) and the third-largest nationally (behind GM
and Ford Motor Co.), is billing the new Prius as a partner for its
fuel-cell car, the Mirai.

In a statement yesterday, the company said the car "stands side by side
with its sibling, the hydrogen powered Mirai, poised to change the game yet
again." On sale in Japan, the Mirai is scheduled to be unveiled in
California this year.

Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Free salt while on deck?

RB


My 200D was on a barge for interisland.  It was totally white when we 
picked it up in Hilo.  It is a blue car.   Very well salted.  For 
mainland, they are generally in the hold, so no salt.


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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Montana never ends at 55 mph.   it is bad at 70-75, but interminable at 55.

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Would a diesel Escort go faster than 55mph?

RB


Oh Yes!  but the speed limits there were a ridiculous 55 mph to "save 
the pranet"  There would be no oel after 2000.   Peak oel and all 
that


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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Peak oil, that reminds me, another ridiculous scare-monger theory that
reality has dispatched for those impervious to reason.  Wait ten or twenty
years and there will be a new one to replace AGW or climate change or
whatever they call it these days.  RUG was $1.849 today, and I see ULSD
around $2.299 down to $2.199.  I wonder how much lower prices will go, I
think this current rapid drop is due to the storage facilities reaching
maximum capacity and now the owners have no choice but to sell the produced
oil at market prices, and the market is setting a more correct price now.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Oh Yes!  but the speed limits there were a ridiculous 55 mph to "save the
> pranet"  There would be no oel after 2000.   Peak oel and all that
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

On 10/09/2015 1:33 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:


In 1990 when I shipped the escort (Diesel Content) it was the same 
from any port on the west coast, and based on weight/volume 
formula. I think the escort was around $1100.  I chose Seattle, 
because I like it better and it was closer to WI where the car was.


So, the real question is "why did you leave Hawaii?"

RB



I ask that daily each winter.

PRH is loko also, but outside of Oahu, their tentacles are fewer.

My company was making money, the parent company was losing money, 
their parent was nearly bust from losing money but they owned 
thousands of acres and the house i lived in.  the middle company had 
a salary freeze.  the parent of the parent almost doubled the rent on 
the house i lived in.  That amounts to a drastic pay cut.  So I left. 
There was no way to get ahead.  But I could have survived probably, 
and been  happy, but SWMBO did not take the rent hike well, or the 
skools.


I really liked driving the 200D around on the island.  60 miles to 
Hilo or 60 miles to Kailua.  I tried to drive it up to the 
observatory at the summit of Mauna Kea, but it started getting warm 
at the 10,000 ft elevation area with 6 people aboard, so we turned 
around rather than risk the engine with another 3000 ft of elevation 
to go.


The escort went up the mountains to visit Herb Kane a few times. 
Herb created the jolly green giant back in the 50s and is a legend in 
HI.  The 200D never visited Herb, but I suspect he would have liked 
it.


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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 10/09/2015 3:08 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:


Montana never ends at 55 mph.   it is bad at 70-75, but interminable 
at 55.


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Would a diesel Escort go faster than 55mph?

RB


Oh Yes!  but the speed limits there were a ridiculous 55 mph to "save 
the pranet"  There would be no oel after 2000.   Peak oel and all 
that


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Oh, I remember those days well enough. We drove from here to mid Ohio 
and back in August 1974, in a Chevy Vega.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Some of you guys are as old as hell

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> On Sep 10, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 10/09/2015 3:08 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
 
 Montana never ends at 55 mph.   it is bad at 70-75, but interminable at 55.
 
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>>> Would a diesel Escort go faster than 55mph?
>>> 
>>> RB
>> 
>> Oh Yes!  but the speed limits there were a ridiculous 55 mph to "save the 
>> pranet"  There would be no oel after 2000.   Peak oel and all that
>> 
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> 
> Oh, I remember those days well enough. We drove from here to mid Ohio and 
> back in August 1974, in a Chevy Vega.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] CLK55 needed

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Older than dirt but...
Younger than rock

Typed in large print so my friends can read it.. ;))

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> Some of you guys are as old as hell
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Sep 10, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 10/09/2015 3:08 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>  Montana never ends at 55 mph.   it is bad at 70-75, but interminable
> at 55.
> 
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> >>> Would a diesel Escort go faster than 55mph?
> >>>
> >>> RB
> >>
> >> Oh Yes!  but the speed limits there were a ridiculous 55 mph to "save
> the pranet"  There would be no oel after 2000.   Peak oel and all that
> >>
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> > Oh, I remember those days well enough. We drove from here to mid Ohio
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