Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)
Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 03/01/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Maybe we should take up a collection and send one to the guy who runs >> 16-9.net. he does quite good lens tests on FF and 1.6x crop bodies, has >> been doing a series on 14/15mm's and already has the basic adaptor (He >> tested the A* 85/1.4 against the 85 f1.2L II, the Pentax won by a >> noticable amount at close range with long range being equal. Note the >> 85/1.2L blew the Zeiss ZF 85/1.4 out of the water). > > Yes, I forgot about that guy, the A*85/1.4 sure came out a winner but > the A24/2.8 didn't fare too well in the 24mm prime shoot-out from > recollection. > I think he had a bad sample. Note the focusing issues he ahd with it (showing 2.5m while focused on a 1m subject). Interestingly enough, I own the Sigma 24 that beats out the Pentax unit in that test, albeit in F mount form. It's a very good lens. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)
On 03/01/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe we should take up a collection and send one to the guy who runs > 16-9.net. he does quite good lens tests on FF and 1.6x crop bodies, has > been doing a series on 14/15mm's and already has the basic adaptor (He > tested the A* 85/1.4 against the 85 f1.2L II, the Pentax won by a > noticable amount at close range with long range being equal. Note the > 85/1.2L blew the Zeiss ZF 85/1.4 out of the water). Yes, I forgot about that guy, the A*85/1.4 sure came out a winner but the A24/2.8 didn't fare too well in the 24mm prime shoot-out from recollection. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Cotty wrote: > On 3/1/07, Digital Image Studio, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> Cotty has used a Pentax 15/3.5 on a near FF Canon body and didn't see >> to have too many complaints. > > which reminds me I have yet to see results with it on a 36X24 body. > Idea: will bring to GFM so will accost a FF user and get a test uploaded > onto my Powerbook. > Maybe we should take up a collection and send one to the guy who runs 16-9.net. he does quite good lens tests on FF and 1.6x crop bodies, has been doing a series on 14/15mm's and already has the basic adaptor (He tested the A* 85/1.4 against the 85 f1.2L II, the Pentax won by a noticable amount at close range with long range being equal. Note the 85/1.2L blew the Zeiss ZF 85/1.4 out of the water). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)
On 3/1/07, Digital Image Studio, discombobulated, unleashed: >Cotty has used a Pentax 15/3.5 on a near FF Canon body and didn't see >to have too many complaints. which reminds me I have yet to see results with it on a 36X24 body. Idea: will bring to GFM so will accost a FF user and get a test uploaded onto my Powerbook. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)
On 03/01/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And I dont beleive there are no other pentax > wide lenses that would not work as well or better > on FF digital as the necessary shorter lenses do on APS digital. Anyone > know anyone whos used them that way? ( > maybe that guy whos using them on Canon > digital?) Cotty has used a Pentax 15/3.5 on a near FF Canon body and didn't see to have too many complaints. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)
The magnitude of vignetting is not that great, maybe a stop at very most, so its not a big deal as far as limiting dynamic range. 35mm IS a wide angle lens by any standards on FF 24x36 format. Wide angle covers about anything less than 40mm on that format. And I dont beleive there are no other pentax wide lenses that would not work as well or better on FF digital as the necessary shorter lenses do on APS digital. Anyone know anyone whos used them that way? ( maybe that guy whos using them on Canon digital?) jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Margus Männik Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) 35mm is technically speaking a wide angle, but IRL it's not quite a wide. At least not for my kind of photography. OK, it's a bit individual. Vignetting can NOT be so easily corrected without loss on density range (photographic latitude). But, yes, the loss of resolution is the main problem. I do agree - generally - the smaller the frame, the better correction technologies have to be used. However, digital sensor introduces it's own limitations and if we summarize lens + sensor (+other technical limitations), today digital FF wide-angle digital FF is still bigger problem than Digital APS wide-angle. BRM J. C. O'Connell wrote: >Excuse me but 35mm focal lenght lenses >are wide angles and there are a whole >bunch of them that are fantastic. > >As far as wider goes, I already just >stated, that small formats like APS >and FF ( film and digital ) are not >very good for wide angle photography >especially compared to medium and large >format. > >Vignetting is not the problem, that >can easily be corrected, the problem >is low resolution of the lenses at >extreme wide angles in corners that is overcome >by large formats but not by small >ones like aps and ff 35mm. > >jco > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Margus Männik >Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 3:31 PM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > >Some? Do you see any satisfactory Pentax FF wideangle on a market? FA24 >will vignette for sure, not speaking of any wider ones. Even Canon can't > >say yet, that they have GOOD wide-angle for their 5D. 20...24mm for FF >is not any kind of ultra-wide, so it refers to limited usability and >needs a real solution, not just to be ignored or cheated. Present >lenses do not offer that and I'm pretty much aware, that instead of >better optics next generation bodies will offer some software trick to >hide (not correct) the problem. > >BRM > > >J. C. O'Connell wrote: > > > >>you cant judge a CAMERA BODY >>by the worst lenses out there for it, >>you have to judge it on its >>own merit, and that would be >>what it can do with the BEST >>lenses available. Secondly, I >>dont think its smart to "throw >>out" all improvement you can >>get with semi-wide to ultra long >>lenses just because SOME >>wide angles dont do so well >>on the FF camera. Ultra wide angle >>photography has always been >>a problem for small formats >>anyway, there just isnt enough >>resolution for fine details >>and everything is rendered >>very small on wide and ultra wide >>relatively speaking. >>jco >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >>Of >> >> > > > >>Margus Männik >>Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:36 PM >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >> >> >>Hi, >> >>depends on the lenses you have. Camera body without lenses is totally >>useless. So, this leap can also be a total disaster, especially if you >>like to shoot with wide-angles. I am really not a fan of >> >> >anti-vignetting > > >>and selective sharpening softwares... >>So, for me FF=film=for quality and APS=digital=for versatility. Z-1p >>and >> >>K10D. At least as long as they sell and process film. >> >>BR, Margus >> >> >>J. C. O'Connell wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just >>>as large or possibly even larger leap >>>than istD to K10D. >>>jco >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >>>Of >>> >>> >>> >>> >
Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)
35mm is technically speaking a wide angle, but IRL it's not quite a wide. At least not for my kind of photography. OK, it's a bit individual. Vignetting can NOT be so easily corrected without loss on density range (photographic latitude). But, yes, the loss of resolution is the main problem. I do agree - generally - the smaller the frame, the better correction technologies have to be used. However, digital sensor introduces it's own limitations and if we summarize lens + sensor (+other technical limitations), today digital FF wide-angle digital FF is still bigger problem than Digital APS wide-angle. BRM J. C. O'Connell wrote: >Excuse me but 35mm focal lenght lenses >are wide angles and there are a whole >bunch of them that are fantastic. > >As far as wider goes, I already just >stated, that small formats like APS >and FF ( film and digital ) are not >very good for wide angle photography >especially compared to medium and large >format. > >Vignetting is not the problem, that >can easily be corrected, the problem >is low resolution of the lenses at >extreme wide angles in corners that is overcome >by large formats but not by small >ones like aps and ff 35mm. > >jco > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Margus Männik >Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 3:31 PM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > >Some? Do you see any satisfactory Pentax FF wideangle on a market? FA24 >will vignette for sure, not speaking of any wider ones. Even Canon can't > >say yet, that they have GOOD wide-angle for their 5D. 20...24mm for FF >is not any kind of ultra-wide, so it refers to limited usability and >needs a real solution, not just to be ignored or cheated. Present >lenses do not offer that and I'm pretty much aware, that instead of >better optics next generation bodies will offer some software trick to >hide (not correct) the problem. > >BRM > > >J. C. O'Connell wrote: > > > >>you cant judge a CAMERA BODY >>by the worst lenses out there for it, >>you have to judge it on its >>own merit, and that would be >>what it can do with the BEST >>lenses available. Secondly, I >>dont think its smart to "throw >>out" all improvement you can >>get with semi-wide to ultra long >>lenses just because SOME >>wide angles dont do so well >>on the FF camera. Ultra wide angle >>photography has always been >>a problem for small formats >>anyway, there just isnt enough >>resolution for fine details >>and everything is rendered >>very small on wide and ultra wide >>relatively speaking. >>jco >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> >> > > > >>Margus Männik >>Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:36 PM >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >> >> >>Hi, >> >>depends on the lenses you have. Camera body without lenses is totally >>useless. So, this leap can also be a total disaster, especially if you >>like to shoot with wide-angles. I am really not a fan of >> >> >anti-vignetting > > >>and selective sharpening softwares... >>So, for me FF=film=for quality and APS=digital=for versatility. Z-1p >>and >> >>K10D. At least as long as they sell and process film. >> >>BR, Margus >> >> >>J. C. O'Connell wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just >>>as large or possibly even larger leap >>>than istD to K10D. >>>jco >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >>>Of >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>>John Forbes >>>Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:15 PM >>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >>> >>> >>>It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) with >>>regard >>> >>>to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be incremental. >>> >>> > > > >>>Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D. >>> >>>John >>> >>> >>> >>>On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:52:49 -, Jens Bladt >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>>wro
Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)
On 03/01/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A 20/2.8, FA 24/2.8. FA 24/2 Maybe A24/2.8 ;-) The beauty of which is even if there is some vignetting with the FF WA lenses given that the sensor density would likely be lower the requirements for absolute resolution would be reduced and CA would likely remain fairly constant between formats. Larger pixel sites would provide greater capture latitude and hence more scope for digital vignetting correction and hopefully new micro-lens technologies would reduce vignetting due to non-incident image forming rays in the first place. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)
Excuse me but 35mm focal lenght lenses are wide angles and there are a whole bunch of them that are fantastic. As far as wider goes, I already just stated, that small formats like APS and FF ( film and digital ) are not very good for wide angle photography especially compared to medium and large format. Vignetting is not the problem, that can easily be corrected, the problem is low resolution of the lenses at extreme wide angles in corners that is overcome by large formats but not by small ones like aps and ff 35mm. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Margus Männik Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 3:31 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) Some? Do you see any satisfactory Pentax FF wideangle on a market? FA24 will vignette for sure, not speaking of any wider ones. Even Canon can't say yet, that they have GOOD wide-angle for their 5D. 20...24mm for FF is not any kind of ultra-wide, so it refers to limited usability and needs a real solution, not just to be ignored or cheated. Present lenses do not offer that and I'm pretty much aware, that instead of better optics next generation bodies will offer some software trick to hide (not correct) the problem. BRM J. C. O'Connell wrote: >you cant judge a CAMERA BODY >by the worst lenses out there for it, >you have to judge it on its >own merit, and that would be >what it can do with the BEST >lenses available. Secondly, I >dont think its smart to "throw >out" all improvement you can >get with semi-wide to ultra long >lenses just because SOME >wide angles dont do so well >on the FF camera. Ultra wide angle >photography has always been >a problem for small formats >anyway, there just isnt enough >resolution for fine details >and everything is rendered >very small on wide and ultra wide >relatively speaking. >jco > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Margus Männik >Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:36 PM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > >Hi, > >depends on the lenses you have. Camera body without lenses is totally >useless. So, this leap can also be a total disaster, especially if you >like to shoot with wide-angles. I am really not a fan of anti-vignetting > >and selective sharpening softwares... >So, for me FF=film=for quality and APS=digital=for versatility. Z-1p >and > >K10D. At least as long as they sell and process film. > >BR, Margus > > >J. C. O'Connell wrote: > > > >>Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just >>as large or possibly even larger leap >>than istD to K10D. >>jco >> >>-Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >>Of >> >> > > > >>John Forbes >>Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:15 PM >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >> >> >>It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) with >>regard >> >>to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be incremental. >>Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D. >> >>John >> >> >> >>On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:52:49 -, Jens Bladt >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>4-5 years? >>>I expect development to be accelerating. As the *ist has become >>>somewhat obsolete in 2-3 years, I expect huge improvements every >>>two-3 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>years - >> >> >> >> >>>enough >>>to make me want to upgrade every two-three years! >>>Regards >>> >>>Jens Bladt >>>Greeting Card: >>>http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/godtnytaarshow.html >>> >>>http://www.jensbladt.dk >>>+45 56 63 77 11 >>>+45 23 43 85 77 >>>Skype: jensbladt248 >>> >>>-Oprindelig meddelelse- >>>Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af >>>P. J. >>>Alling >>>Sendt: 1. januar 2007 18:46 >>>Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>Emne: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >>> >>> >>>Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect >>>that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This >>>looks like a perfect camera for them. >>> >>>Joseph Tainter wrote: >
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A 20/2.8, FA 24/2.8. FA 24/2 Plenty available. -Adam Margus Männik wrote: > Some? Do you see any satisfactory Pentax FF wideangle on a market? FA24 > will vignette for sure, not speaking of any wider ones. Even Canon can't > say yet, that they have GOOD wide-angle for their 5D. 20...24mm for FF > is not any kind of ultra-wide, so it refers to limited usability and > needs a real solution, not just to be ignored or cheated. Present > lenses do not offer that and I'm pretty much aware, that instead of > better optics next generation bodies will offer some software trick to > hide (not correct) the problem. > > BRM > > > J. C. O'Connell wrote: > >> you cant judge a CAMERA BODY >> by the worst lenses out there for it, >> you have to judge it on its >> own merit, and that would be >> what it can do with the BEST >> lenses available. Secondly, I >> dont think its smart to "throw >> out" all improvement you can >> get with semi-wide to ultra long >> lenses just because SOME >> wide angles dont do so well >> on the FF camera. Ultra wide angle >> photography has always been >> a problem for small formats >> anyway, there just isnt enough >> resolution for fine details >> and everything is rendered >> very small on wide and ultra wide >> relatively speaking. >> jco >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> Margus Männik >> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:36 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >> >> >> Hi, >> >> depends on the lenses you have. Camera body without lenses is totally >> useless. So, this leap can also be a total disaster, especially if you >> like to shoot with wide-angles. I am really not a fan of anti-vignetting >> >> and selective sharpening softwares... >> So, for me FF=film=for quality and APS=digital=for versatility. Z-1p and >> >> K10D. At least as long as they sell and process film. >> >> BR, Margus >> >> >> J. C. O'Connell wrote: >> >> >> >>> Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just >>> as large or possibly even larger leap >>> than istD to K10D. >>> jco >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>> >>> >> >> >>> John Forbes >>> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:15 PM >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >>> >>> >>> It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) with >>> regard >>> >>> to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be incremental. >>> Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:52:49 -, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> 4-5 years? >>>> I expect development to be accelerating. As the *ist has become >>>> somewhat obsolete in 2-3 years, I expect huge improvements every two-3 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> years - >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> enough >>>> to make me want to upgrade every two-three years! >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Jens Bladt >>>> Greeting Card: >>>> http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/godtnytaarshow.html >>>> >>>> http://www.jensbladt.dk >>>> +45 56 63 77 11 >>>> +45 23 43 85 77 >>>> Skype: jensbladt248 >>>> >>>> -Oprindelig meddelelse- >>>> Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af >>>> P. >>>> J. >>>> Alling >>>> Sendt: 1. januar 2007 18:46 >>>> Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> Emne: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect >>>> that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This >>>> looks like a perfect camera for them. >>>> >>>> Joseph Tainter wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 >>>>> (supposedly first part of 2007). >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when >>>>> deciding whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* >>>>> zooms, or any other expensive DA lens? >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> >>>> The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. >>>>-- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: >>>> 12/31/2006 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: >>>> 12/31/2006 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Some? Do you see any satisfactory Pentax FF wideangle on a market? FA24 will vignette for sure, not speaking of any wider ones. Even Canon can't say yet, that they have GOOD wide-angle for their 5D. 20...24mm for FF is not any kind of ultra-wide, so it refers to limited usability and needs a real solution, not just to be ignored or cheated. Present lenses do not offer that and I'm pretty much aware, that instead of better optics next generation bodies will offer some software trick to hide (not correct) the problem. BRM J. C. O'Connell wrote: >you cant judge a CAMERA BODY >by the worst lenses out there for it, >you have to judge it on its >own merit, and that would be >what it can do with the BEST >lenses available. Secondly, I >dont think its smart to "throw >out" all improvement you can >get with semi-wide to ultra long >lenses just because SOME >wide angles dont do so well >on the FF camera. Ultra wide angle >photography has always been >a problem for small formats >anyway, there just isnt enough >resolution for fine details >and everything is rendered >very small on wide and ultra wide >relatively speaking. >jco > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Margus Männik >Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:36 PM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > >Hi, > >depends on the lenses you have. Camera body without lenses is totally >useless. So, this leap can also be a total disaster, especially if you >like to shoot with wide-angles. I am really not a fan of anti-vignetting > >and selective sharpening softwares... >So, for me FF=film=for quality and APS=digital=for versatility. Z-1p and > >K10D. At least as long as they sell and process film. > >BR, Margus > > >J. C. O'Connell wrote: > > > >>Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just >>as large or possibly even larger leap >>than istD to K10D. >>jco >> >>-Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> >> > > > >>John Forbes >>Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:15 PM >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >> >> >>It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) with >>regard >> >>to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be incremental. >>Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D. >> >>John >> >> >> >>On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:52:49 -, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>4-5 years? >>>I expect development to be accelerating. As the *ist has become >>>somewhat obsolete in 2-3 years, I expect huge improvements every two-3 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>years - >> >> >> >> >>>enough >>>to make me want to upgrade every two-three years! >>>Regards >>> >>>Jens Bladt >>>Greeting Card: >>>http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/godtnytaarshow.html >>> >>>http://www.jensbladt.dk >>>+45 56 63 77 11 >>>+45 23 43 85 77 >>>Skype: jensbladt248 >>> >>>-Oprindelig meddelelse- >>>Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af >>>P. >>>J. >>>Alling >>>Sendt: 1. januar 2007 18:46 >>>Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>Emne: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >>> >>> >>>Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect >>>that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This >>>looks like a perfect camera for them. >>> >>>Joseph Tainter wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 >>>>(supposedly first part of 2007). >>>> >>>>- >>>> >>>>Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when >>>>deciding whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* >>>>zooms, or any other expensive DA lens? >>>> >>>>Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>-- >>> >>>The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. >>> -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael >>> >>> >>>-- >>>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>PDML@pdml.net >>>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: >>>12/31/2006 >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: >>>12/31/2006 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi, I don't think so. As a proffessional photographer I am ready to deal with vignetting and corner blur 'cause someone is paying me for that. The same time, as an amateur I would NEVER buy a camera that causes me that kind of (after-processing) pain. How many amateurs per pro in the world? BR, Margus Joseph Tainter wrote: >Problems of using wide angle lenses on a 24 x 36 mm sensor are irrelevant. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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you cant judge a CAMERA BODY by the worst lenses out there for it, you have to judge it on its own merit, and that would be what it can do with the BEST lenses available. Secondly, I dont think its smart to "throw out" all improvement you can get with semi-wide to ultra long lenses just because SOME wide angles dont do so well on the FF camera. Ultra wide angle photography has always been a problem for small formats anyway, there just isnt enough resolution for fine details and everything is rendered very small on wide and ultra wide relatively speaking. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Margus Männik Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 2:36 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) Hi, depends on the lenses you have. Camera body without lenses is totally useless. So, this leap can also be a total disaster, especially if you like to shoot with wide-angles. I am really not a fan of anti-vignetting and selective sharpening softwares... So, for me FF=film=for quality and APS=digital=for versatility. Z-1p and K10D. At least as long as they sell and process film. BR, Margus J. C. O'Connell wrote: >Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just >as large or possibly even larger leap >than istD to K10D. >jco > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >John Forbes >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:15 PM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > >It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) with >regard > >to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be incremental. >Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D. > >John > > > >On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:52:49 -, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > >>4-5 years? >>I expect development to be accelerating. As the *ist has become >>somewhat obsolete in 2-3 years, I expect huge improvements every two-3 >> >> >years - > > >>enough >>to make me want to upgrade every two-three years! >>Regards >> >>Jens Bladt >>Greeting Card: >>http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/godtnytaarshow.html >> >>http://www.jensbladt.dk >>+45 56 63 77 11 >>+45 23 43 85 77 >>Skype: jensbladt248 >> >>-Oprindelig meddelelse- >>Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af >>P. >>J. >>Alling >>Sendt: 1. januar 2007 18:46 >>Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Emne: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >> >> >>Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect >>that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This >>looks like a perfect camera for them. >> >>Joseph Tainter wrote: >> >> >>>Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 >>>(supposedly first part of 2007). >>> >>>- >>> >>>Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when >>>deciding whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* >>>zooms, or any other expensive DA lens? >>> >>>Joe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>-- >> >>The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. >> -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael >> >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: >>12/31/2006 >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: >>12/31/2006 >> >> >> >> > > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi, depends on the lenses you have. Camera body without lenses is totally useless. So, this leap can also be a total disaster, especially if you like to shoot with wide-angles. I am really not a fan of anti-vignetting and selective sharpening softwares... So, for me FF=film=for quality and APS=digital=for versatility. Z-1p and K10D. At least as long as they sell and process film. BR, Margus J. C. O'Connell wrote: >Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just >as large or possibly even larger leap >than istD to K10D. >jco > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >John Forbes >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:15 PM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > >It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) with regard > >to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be incremental. >Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D. > >John > > > >On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:52:49 -, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > >>4-5 years? >>I expect development to be accelerating. As the *ist has become >>somewhat obsolete in 2-3 years, I expect huge improvements every two-3 >> >> >years - > > >>enough >>to make me want to upgrade every two-three years! >>Regards >> >>Jens Bladt >>Greeting Card: >>http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/godtnytaarshow.html >> >>http://www.jensbladt.dk >>+45 56 63 77 11 >>+45 23 43 85 77 >>Skype: jensbladt248 >> >>-Oprindelig meddelelse- >>Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af >>P. >>J. >>Alling >>Sendt: 1. januar 2007 18:46 >>Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Emne: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >> >> >>Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect >>that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This >>looks like a perfect camera for them. >> >>Joseph Tainter wrote: >> >> >>>Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 >>>(supposedly first part of 2007). >>> >>>- >>> >>>Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when >>>deciding whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* >>>zooms, or any other expensive DA lens? >>> >>>Joe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>-- >> >>The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. >> -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael >> >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: >>12/31/2006 >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: >>12/31/2006 >> >> >> >> > > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:52 AM, David Savage wrote: >> Yes ... Ergonomics, features, responsiveness ... with a small boost >> in resolution to boot. Enough to be worth the outlay. > > Well I took a few snaps today with the *istD, minus grip, and I found > myself enjoying it's noticeably smaller size. Only occasion I've had to fondle the *ist DS bodies since I returned from traveling has been to install the v2.0.2 firmware updates. Yes, I still like the small size, but overall I find the K10D to be an ergonomic improvement. I guess I have relatively large hands. > Speed wise, it's an anchored sloth. LOL! Is that a two toed or three toed sloth? ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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WRT actual ergonomics I find that the grip is just too wide to feel comfortable in my hand and the control wheels are a stretch. Rob Studdert - Something about the positioning of the control wheels on the K10D just doesn't match my fingers. In SV mode, I find that I often change the ISO without being aware that I have done so. Once I found it at ISO 1600 for shots in the middle of the day. I switched the ISO setting dial from the rear to the front, but I still have the problem. The control wheels on the PZ-1p and the *ist D never gave me this problem. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Plus they could have a choice of keeping the SR on and taking what they get, which might be some strong vignetting in some areas if the frame was shaking enough, or putting it on a tripod and not worrying about it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 02/01/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>I realize this will vary from lens to lens, but what is the median size of >>the projected image circle on the Pentax lenses you are familiar with? I >>suppose one should take the smallest value if the projection changes size >>with aperture. >>My reason for asking is that I think it would be nice if the shake reduction >>technology could be assimilated into a 24x36mm DSLR, but I've always been of >>the impression that most 35mm camera lenses don't offer much coverage beyond >>the 35mm frame. It's what I was taught when I was learning the nuts and >>bolts of photographic theory. > > > Most 35mm lenses don't cover much more than 43mm diagonally however > given that the sensor movement in the K10D is about +/- 2.5mm I > venture that SR could be fully implemented if users were willing to > endure a 5mm crop from each dimension for the full frame. This would > result in an SR frame with a 1.16 crop, not too unusable and along the > same lines as the concept of cropping to an APS frame when reduced > frame lenses are mounted on full frame bodies. Almost everyone would > be happy then. > -- Someone handed me a picture and said, "This is a picture of me when I was younger." Every picture of you is when you were younger. "...Here's a picture of me when I'm older." Where'd you get that camera man? - Mitch Hedberg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/3/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 2, 2007, at 12:49 AM, John Francis wrote: > > > I see the K10D as primarily an improvement in ergonomics, not > > a needed upgrade for better image quality. > > Yes ... Ergonomics, features, responsiveness ... with a small boost > in resolution to boot. Enough to be worth the outlay. Well I took a few snaps today with the *istD, minus grip, and I found myself enjoying it's noticeably smaller size. Speed wise, it's an anchored sloth. ;-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jan 2, 2007, at 12:49 AM, John Francis wrote: > I see the K10D as primarily an improvement in ergonomics, not > a needed upgrade for better image quality. Yes ... Ergonomics, features, responsiveness ... with a small boost in resolution to boot. Enough to be worth the outlay. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Thanks Mat, I hoped that was true ann Mat Maessen wrote: >On 1/2/07, ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>I'm getting nagging email from FIrefox taht I should upgrade to 1.5.0.9 >> >> > >If you're already running an older 1.5.0.x version of firefox, yes you >should. It's only bug fixes, no functionality changes. > >-Mat > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 02/01/07, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oh, I'm (mostly) happy with the results I get from the *ist-D. > The problem comes with the shots I *don't* get, for a variety > of reasons (the most common ones being failure of the AF system > to achieve a lock fast enough in low light/low contrast scenes, > or the buffer filling up during a multi-shot sequence). > > I see the K10D as primarily an improvement in ergonomics, not > a needed upgrade for better image quality. The K10D definitely has some attractive attributes but for me the increased resolution isn't strictly one of them. WRT actual ergonomics I find that the grip is just too wide to feel comfortable in my hand and the control wheels are a stretch. Also the manual WB which I use a lot is less well thought out than it in on the *ist D. As such I'm still shooting my *ist D far more than I expected that I would prior to my K10D purchase. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Digital Image Studio" Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > On 02/01/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I realize this will vary from lens to lens, but what is the median size >> of >> the projected image circle on the Pentax lenses you are familiar with? I >> suppose one should take the smallest value if the projection changes size >> with aperture. >> My reason for asking is that I think it would be nice if the shake >> reduction >> technology could be assimilated into a 24x36mm DSLR, but I've always been >> of >> the impression that most 35mm camera lenses don't offer much coverage >> beyond >> the 35mm frame. It's what I was taught when I was learning the nuts and >> bolts of photographic theory. > > Most 35mm lenses don't cover much more than 43mm diagonally however > given that the sensor movement in the K10D is about +/- 2.5mm I > venture that SR could be fully implemented if users were willing to > endure a 5mm crop from each dimension for the full frame. This would > result in an SR frame with a 1.16 crop, not too unusable and along the > same lines as the concept of cropping to an APS frame when reduced > frame lenses are mounted on full frame bodies. Almost everyone would > be happy then. Hi Rob, thanks for the straight answer. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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right, but then they dont need much at all, we are talking about a the amount of a typical image blur which is very small amount relative to the normal image. And even if they had ZERO overcoverage, AS could still be done with a very tiny amount of auto or manual cropping slightly smaller than FF, nothing anywhere near as small as the APS cropping currently used. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:52 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >I should rephrase that, the amount > of overcoverage needed for AS is small > relative to the size of the image > circle or diagonal on a FF sensor. I realize this will vary from lens to lens, but what is the median size of the projected image circle on the Pentax lenses you are familiar with? I suppose one should take the smallest value if the projection changes size with aperture. My reason for asking is that I think it would be nice if the shake reduction technology could be assimilated into a 24x36mm DSLR, but I've always been of the impression that most 35mm camera lenses don't offer much coverage beyond the 35mm frame. It's what I was taught when I was learning the nuts and bolts of photographic theory. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 02/01/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I realize this will vary from lens to lens, but what is the median size of > the projected image circle on the Pentax lenses you are familiar with? I > suppose one should take the smallest value if the projection changes size > with aperture. > My reason for asking is that I think it would be nice if the shake reduction > technology could be assimilated into a 24x36mm DSLR, but I've always been of > the impression that most 35mm camera lenses don't offer much coverage beyond > the 35mm frame. It's what I was taught when I was learning the nuts and > bolts of photographic theory. Most 35mm lenses don't cover much more than 43mm diagonally however given that the sensor movement in the K10D is about +/- 2.5mm I venture that SR could be fully implemented if users were willing to endure a 5mm crop from each dimension for the full frame. This would result in an SR frame with a 1.16 crop, not too unusable and along the same lines as the concept of cropping to an APS frame when reduced frame lenses are mounted on full frame bodies. Almost everyone would be happy then. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Oh, I'm (mostly) happy with the results I get from the *ist-D. The problem comes with the shots I *don't* get, for a variety of reasons (the most common ones being failure of the AF system to achieve a lock fast enough in low light/low contrast scenes, or the buffer filling up during a multi-shot sequence). I see the K10D as primarily an improvement in ergonomics, not a needed upgrade for better image quality. On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 07:55:14PM -0800, Jim Apilado wrote: > I, too, am satisfied with the results I get from *ist D. I like to read the > material from Pentax users who can't wait to move up to the latest toy. > > Jim A. > > > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 19:38:21 -0800 > > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > > > One needn't upgrade a DSLR if it's providing the desired results. In fact, > > since I'm mostly just making snap shots these days, I was wondering of I > > really need the K10D. I sure want one, and will probably get one, but thus > > far I've not done any DSLR work that makes the 10D necessary. > > > > Shel > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Scott Loveless > > > >> Just shoot film. There is no treadmill. And no upgrade path, either. > >> > >> Have a nice day! > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >I should rephrase that, the amount > of overcoverage needed for AS is small > relative to the size of the image > circle or diagonal on a FF sensor. I realize this will vary from lens to lens, but what is the median size of the projected image circle on the Pentax lenses you are familiar with? I suppose one should take the smallest value if the projection changes size with aperture. My reason for asking is that I think it would be nice if the shake reduction technology could be assimilated into a 24x36mm DSLR, but I've always been of the impression that most 35mm camera lenses don't offer much coverage beyond the 35mm frame. It's what I was taught when I was learning the nuts and bolts of photographic theory. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/2/07, ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I resemble that remark - upgraded to Netscape 7.0 too... > I'm getting nagging email from FIrefox taht I should upgrade to 1.5.0.9 > > Any reason I should or shouldn't? There is no difference that the user will notice. I recommend updating it. Firefox 2 on the other hand is a major refurbishment. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell"Subject: RE: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > You really missed the entire point of my post, > It was in reference to a FF camera, Godders doesn't believe in vapourware. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/2/07, ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm getting nagging email from FIrefox taht I should upgrade to 1.5.0.9 If you're already running an older 1.5.0.x version of firefox, yes you should. It's only bug fixes, no functionality changes. -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Joseph Tainter wrote: >It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) with regard >to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be incremental. >Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D. > >John > >- > >I hope you are right, John. > >I try to resist computer upgrades. But the system forces them on us. >Right now several web sites are scolding me for using Netscape 7. And I >upgraded to Netscape 7 because my bank's web site scolded me for using >an earlier version of Netscape. I don't want photography gear to become >the same treadmill. But I am afraid it will. > >Joe > > I resemble that remark - upgraded to Netscape 7.0 too... I'm getting nagging email from FIrefox taht I should upgrade to 1.5.0.9 Any reason I should or shouldn't? ann > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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My bad. "Misinformed" was a poor choice of words. You are correct. I guess what I meant was that those of us who have embraced APS-C don't care what the full frame options might be. APS-C works for us. But again, you're point is correct, and I was defending it here as well as your right to express it. Paul On Jan 1, 2007, at 9:30 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > I wasnt "misinformed", I was > just stating the obvious, and > thats that a 43mm/1.9 on FF would > be better than a 28mm/2 on APS > most likely. How can you argue > with that simple concept or opinion? > And where's the " misinformed opinion" > part you are referring to? > jco > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > Paul Stenquist > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:22 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > > Ah, the beginning of a flame war. No need to disparage JCO here. He > was merely stating an opinion, however misinformed it might be. Who > was it who just said: > > "It's sad to see this whole stupid "FF vs APS-C" horsepucky again be a > bazillion message thread. Two misnomers make a religious battle it > seems. I'll just take pictures and to hell with trying to discuss it." > > Do as I say, not as I do? > Paul > > On Jan 1, 2007, at 9:02 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >> Ah, my mail filters were disabled for a few hours during a system >> cleanup and this nonsense was received... >> >> On Jan 1, 2007, at 10:04 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: >> >>> So you want a fast normal APS lens? (28/2DA)? >>> On FF, you can get a killer 50mm F1.4 >>> for much less money thats twice as fast. >>> Hell, how much are the 43mm/1.9 FF lenses going for compared to the >>> DA28mm/2? the 43mm/1.9 FF lens on FF would most likely be way better >>> overall performance than the 28mm/2DA on digital APS I would think >>> for several reasons... jco >> >> - There is no such lens as a "DA 28mm f/2 Limited". It's a lens I >> would like to see produced as it would suit my needs and cameras >> well. >> >> - The FA35/2 AL is a perfect fast 'normal' for the 16x24 format >> and is > >> less expensive than the FA43. The FA43 is too long for what I want. >> 28mm is a 'wide normal' for the DSLR format and I would like a >> lens in > >> that focal length. >> >> - "be way better overall performance" ... Since you have zero >> experience with any Pentax DSLR you are just making cold air hot as >> usual. >> >> My email filters are now restored to operation. Bye. >> >> G >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I, too, am satisfied with the results I get from *ist D. I like to read the material from Pentax users who can't wait to move up to the latest toy. Jim A. > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 19:38:21 -0800 > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > One needn't upgrade a DSLR if it's providing the desired results. In fact, > since I'm mostly just making snap shots these days, I was wondering of I > really need the K10D. I sure want one, and will probably get one, but thus > far I've not done any DSLR work that makes the 10D necessary. > > Shel > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Scott Loveless > >> Just shoot film. There is no treadmill. And no upgrade path, either. >> >> Have a nice day! > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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One needn't upgrade a DSLR if it's providing the desired results. In fact, since I'm mostly just making snap shots these days, I was wondering of I really need the K10D. I sure want one, and will probably get one, but thus far I've not done any DSLR work that makes the 10D necessary. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Scott Loveless > Just shoot film. There is no treadmill. And no upgrade path, either. > > Have a nice day! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/1/07, Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) with regard > to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be incremental. > Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D. > > John > > - > > I hope you are right, John. > > I try to resist computer upgrades. But the system forces them on us. > Right now several web sites are scolding me for using Netscape 7. And I > upgraded to Netscape 7 because my bank's web site scolded me for using > an earlier version of Netscape. I don't want photography gear to become > the same treadmill. But I am afraid it will. > Just shoot film. There is no treadmill. And no upgrade path, either. Have a nice day! -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) with regard to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be incremental. Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D. John - I hope you are right, John. I try to resist computer upgrades. But the system forces them on us. Right now several web sites are scolding me for using Netscape 7. And I upgraded to Netscape 7 because my bank's web site scolded me for using an earlier version of Netscape. I don't want photography gear to become the same treadmill. But I am afraid it will. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I wasnt "misinformed", I was just stating the obvious, and thats that a 43mm/1.9 on FF would be better than a 28mm/2 on APS most likely. How can you argue with that simple concept or opinion? And where's the " misinformed opinion" part you are referring to? jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:22 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) Ah, the beginning of a flame war. No need to disparage JCO here. He was merely stating an opinion, however misinformed it might be. Who was it who just said: "It's sad to see this whole stupid "FF vs APS-C" horsepucky again be a bazillion message thread. Two misnomers make a religious battle it seems. I'll just take pictures and to hell with trying to discuss it." Do as I say, not as I do? Paul On Jan 1, 2007, at 9:02 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Ah, my mail filters were disabled for a few hours during a system > cleanup and this nonsense was received... > > On Jan 1, 2007, at 10:04 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > >> So you want a fast normal APS lens? (28/2DA)? >> On FF, you can get a killer 50mm F1.4 >> for much less money thats twice as fast. >> Hell, how much are the 43mm/1.9 FF lenses going for compared to the >> DA28mm/2? the 43mm/1.9 FF lens on FF would most likely be way better >> overall performance than the 28mm/2DA on digital APS I would think >> for several reasons... jco > > - There is no such lens as a "DA 28mm f/2 Limited". It's a lens I > would like to see produced as it would suit my needs and cameras well. > > - The FA35/2 AL is a perfect fast 'normal' for the 16x24 format and is > less expensive than the FA43. The FA43 is too long for what I want. > 28mm is a 'wide normal' for the DSLR format and I would like a lens in > that focal length. > > - "be way better overall performance" ... Since you have zero > experience with any Pentax DSLR you are just making cold air hot as > usual. > > My email filters are now restored to operation. Bye. > > G > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Ah, the beginning of a flame war. No need to disparage JCO here. He was merely stating an opinion, however misinformed it might be. Who was it who just said: "It's sad to see this whole stupid "FF vs APS-C" horsepucky again be a bazillion message thread. Two misnomers make a religious battle it seems. I'll just take pictures and to hell with trying to discuss it." Do as I say, not as I do? Paul On Jan 1, 2007, at 9:02 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Ah, my mail filters were disabled for a few hours during a system > cleanup and this nonsense was received... > > On Jan 1, 2007, at 10:04 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > >> So you want a fast normal APS lens? (28/2DA)? >> On FF, you can get a killer 50mm F1.4 >> for much less money thats twice as fast. >> Hell, how much are the 43mm/1.9 FF lenses going for compared >> to the DA28mm/2? the 43mm/1.9 FF lens on FF would >> most likely be way better overall performance >> than the 28mm/2DA on digital APS I would think for several reasons... >> jco > > - There is no such lens as a "DA 28mm f/2 Limited". It's a lens I > would like to see produced as it would suit my needs and cameras well. > > - The FA35/2 AL is a perfect fast 'normal' for the 16x24 format and > is less expensive than the FA43. The FA43 is too long for what I > want. 28mm is a 'wide normal' for the DSLR format and I would like a > lens in that focal length. > > - "be way better overall performance" ... Since you have zero > experience with any Pentax DSLR you are just making cold air hot as > usual. > > My email filters are now restored to operation. Bye. > > G > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You really missed the entire point of my post, It was in reference to a FF camera,and that a 43mm on FF would be same as 28mmDA lens on aps. I dont need to buy or use a pentax DSLR to know that, and you obviously dont know what the hell you are reading, because a 43mm would not be too long on FF sensor, it would be same thing as the DA28mm/2.0 you want on APS. Duh. Learn how to read the entire thread before you just throw in your stupid remarks that dont even make any sense ( a 35mm f.l. aint close to 28mm on any camera). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:02 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) Ah, my mail filters were disabled for a few hours during a system cleanup and this nonsense was received... On Jan 1, 2007, at 10:04 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > So you want a fast normal APS lens? (28/2DA)? > On FF, you can get a killer 50mm F1.4 > for much less money thats twice as fast. > Hell, how much are the 43mm/1.9 FF lenses going for compared to the > DA28mm/2? the 43mm/1.9 FF lens on FF would most likely be way better > overall performance than the 28mm/2DA on digital APS I would think for > several reasons... jco - There is no such lens as a "DA 28mm f/2 Limited". It's a lens I would like to see produced as it would suit my needs and cameras well. - The FA35/2 AL is a perfect fast 'normal' for the 16x24 format and is less expensive than the FA43. The FA43 is too long for what I want. 28mm is a 'wide normal' for the DSLR format and I would like a lens in that focal length. - "be way better overall performance" ... Since you have zero experience with any Pentax DSLR you are just making cold air hot as usual. My email filters are now restored to operation. Bye. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Ah, my mail filters were disabled for a few hours during a system cleanup and this nonsense was received... On Jan 1, 2007, at 10:04 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > So you want a fast normal APS lens? (28/2DA)? > On FF, you can get a killer 50mm F1.4 > for much less money thats twice as fast. > Hell, how much are the 43mm/1.9 FF lenses going for compared > to the DA28mm/2? the 43mm/1.9 FF lens on FF would > most likely be way better overall performance > than the 28mm/2DA on digital APS I would think for several reasons... > jco - There is no such lens as a "DA 28mm f/2 Limited". It's a lens I would like to see produced as it would suit my needs and cameras well. - The FA35/2 AL is a perfect fast 'normal' for the 16x24 format and is less expensive than the FA43. The FA43 is too long for what I want. 28mm is a 'wide normal' for the DSLR format and I would like a lens in that focal length. - "be way better overall performance" ... Since you have zero experience with any Pentax DSLR you are just making cold air hot as usual. My email filters are now restored to operation. Bye. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I should rephrase that, the amount of overcoverage needed for AS is small relative to the size of the image circle or diagonal on a FF sensor. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:24 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) the magnitude of the image correction lateral movement needed is very small relative to the size of the image circle "overcoverage" needed. I doubt many high quality pentax lenses dont already have the necessary, albeit small, "overcoverage" to do the job. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:06 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >I dont believe that FF digital precludes > body integrated image stabilization. It will if the usable image circle isn't big enough to cover the sensor deflection. Offhand, what is the usable size of the image circle on the average Pentax lens? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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the magnitude of the image correction lateral movement needed is very small relative to the size of the image circle "overcoverage" needed. I doubt many high quality pentax lenses dont already have the necessary, albeit small, "overcoverage" to do the job. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:06 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >I dont believe that FF digital precludes > body integrated image stabilization. It will if the usable image circle isn't big enough to cover the sensor deflection. Offhand, what is the usable size of the image circle on the average Pentax lens? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) >I dont believe that FF digital precludes > body integrated image stabilization. It will if the usable image circle isn't big enough to cover the sensor deflection. Offhand, what is the usable size of the image circle on the average Pentax lens? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Both canon and nikon are bad examples to compare to Pentax because they already have much higher spec models at the top of thier lines. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:52 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) Not gonna happen. Both Nikon and Canon have essentially plateaued in their development. Look at the 30D, which may get a mild bump this year (to the 400D/XTi 10MP sensor and a larger buffer, mostly for marketing). The only major release from Nikon I'd expect anytime soon is an 8MP D3H or a rolling of the D2Xs and D2Hs into one body (And honestly, that's the D2Xs, which can do anything the D2Hs can at the same speed in HSC mode, the D2Hs stays around because it's cheaper). -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: > 4-5 years? > I expect development to be accelerating. As the *ist has become > somewhat obsolete in 2-3 years, I expect huge improvements every two-3 > years - enough to make me want to upgrade every two-three years! > Regards > > Jens Bladt > Greeting Card: > http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/godtnytaarshow.html > > http://www.jensbladt.dk > +45 56 63 77 11 > +45 23 43 85 77 > Skype: jensbladt248 > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af > P. J. Alling > Sendt: 1. januar 2007 18:46 > Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Emne: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > > Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect > that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This > looks like a perfect camera for them. > > Joseph Tainter wrote: >> Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 >> (supposedly first part of 2007). >> >> - >> >> Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when >> deciding whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* >> zooms, or any other expensive DA lens? >> >> Joe >> >> > > > -- > -- > > The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: > 12/31/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: > 12/31/2006 > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Thanks, now I can sleep. Paul On Jan 1, 2007, at 8:01 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > I dont believe that FF digital precludes > body integrated image stabilization. > jco > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > Paul Stenquist > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:32 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > > Sometimes I wonder. It's a tremendous asset for anyone who shoots > indoors. > Paul > On Jan 1, 2007, at 5:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > >> Horrors, what did we do without it! >> >> Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: >>> But we would lose image stabilisation in Pentax system. >>> >>> On 01.01.07, at 22:44 , J. C. O'Connell wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just >>>> as large or possibly even larger leap >>>> than istD to K10D. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> Sylwek >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. >> -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I dont believe that FF digital precludes body integrated image stabilization. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:32 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) Sometimes I wonder. It's a tremendous asset for anyone who shoots indoors. Paul On Jan 1, 2007, at 5:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Horrors, what did we do without it! > > Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: >> But we would lose image stabilisation in Pentax system. >> >> On 01.01.07, at 22:44 , J. C. O'Connell wrote: >> >> >>> Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just >>> as large or possibly even larger leap >>> than istD to K10D. >>> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Sylwek >> >> >> >> > > > -- > -- > > The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Not gonna happen. Both Nikon and Canon have essentially plateaued in their development. Look at the 30D, which may get a mild bump this year (to the 400D/XTi 10MP sensor and a larger buffer, mostly for marketing). The only major release from Nikon I'd expect anytime soon is an 8MP D3H or a rolling of the D2Xs and D2Hs into one body (And honestly, that's the D2Xs, which can do anything the D2Hs can at the same speed in HSC mode, the D2Hs stays around because it's cheaper). -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: > 4-5 years? > I expect development to be accelerating. As the *ist has become somewhat > obsolete in 2-3 years, I expect huge improvements every two-3 years - enough > to make me want to upgrade every two-three years! > Regards > > Jens Bladt > Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/godtnytaarshow.html > > http://www.jensbladt.dk > +45 56 63 77 11 > +45 23 43 85 77 > Skype: jensbladt248 > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af P. J. > Alling > Sendt: 1. januar 2007 18:46 > Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Emne: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > > Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect > that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This > looks like a perfect camera for them. > > Joseph Tainter wrote: >> Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 >> (supposedly first part of 2007). >> >> - >> >> Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when deciding >> whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or any >> other expensive DA lens? >> >> Joe >> >> > > > -- > -- > > The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: 12/31/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: 12/31/2006 > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Jim King" Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > Bill, the DA40 seems to cover the FF format very nicely in my tests, > so you haven't lost anything by getting it. It's really a nice > little lens, although a stop slower than I would prefer. Thanks Jim. I feel somewhat less guilty for buying it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 22:18:04 -, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Horrors, what did we do without it! Ask Frank. John > Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: >> But we would lose image stabilisation in Pentax system. >> >> On 01.01.07, at 22:44 , J. C. O'Connell wrote: >> >> >>> Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just >>> as large or possibly even larger leap >>> than istD to K10D. >>> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Sylwek >> >> >> >> > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Sometimes I wonder. It's a tremendous asset for anyone who shoots indoors. Paul On Jan 1, 2007, at 5:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Horrors, what did we do without it! > > Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: >> But we would lose image stabilisation in Pentax system. >> >> On 01.01.07, at 22:44 , J. C. O'Connell wrote: >> >> >>> Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just >>> as large or possibly even larger leap >>> than istD to K10D. >>> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Sylwek >> >> >> >> > > > -- > -- > > The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Horrors, what did we do without it! Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: > But we would lose image stabilisation in Pentax system. > > On 01.01.07, at 22:44 , J. C. O'Connell wrote: > > >> Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just >> as large or possibly even larger leap >> than istD to K10D. >> > > -- > Cheers, > Sylwek > > > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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But we would lose image stabilisation in Pentax system. On 01.01.07, at 22:44 , J. C. O'Connell wrote: > Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just > as large or possibly even larger leap > than istD to K10D. -- Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just as large or possibly even larger leap than istD to K10D. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Forbes Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) with regard to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be incremental. Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D. John On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:52:49 -, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 4-5 years? > I expect development to be accelerating. As the *ist has become > somewhat obsolete in 2-3 years, I expect huge improvements every two-3 years - > enough > to make me want to upgrade every two-three years! > Regards > > Jens Bladt > Greeting Card: > http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/godtnytaarshow.html > > http://www.jensbladt.dk > +45 56 63 77 11 > +45 23 43 85 77 > Skype: jensbladt248 > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af > P. > J. > Alling > Sendt: 1. januar 2007 18:46 > Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Emne: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > > Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect > that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This > looks like a perfect camera for them. > > Joseph Tainter wrote: >> Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 >> (supposedly first part of 2007). >> >> - >> >> Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when >> deciding whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* >> zooms, or any other expensive DA lens? >> >> Joe >> >> > > > -- > -- > > The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: > 12/31/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: > 12/31/2006 > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> plateaued (?) Depends on whether you're talking about Doug McClure or Socrates' favourite catamite. -- Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of John Forbes > Sent: 01 January 2007 21:15 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) > with regard > to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be > incremental. > Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D. > > John > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) with regard to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be incremental. Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D. John On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:52:49 -, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 4-5 years? > I expect development to be accelerating. As the *ist has become somewhat > obsolete in 2-3 years, I expect huge improvements every two-3 years - > enough > to make me want to upgrade every two-three years! > Regards > > Jens Bladt > Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/godtnytaarshow.html > > http://www.jensbladt.dk > +45 56 63 77 11 > +45 23 43 85 77 > Skype: jensbladt248 > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af P. > J. > Alling > Sendt: 1. januar 2007 18:46 > Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Emne: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > > Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect > that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This > looks like a perfect camera for them. > > Joseph Tainter wrote: >> Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 >> (supposedly first part of 2007). >> >> - >> >> Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when deciding >> whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or any >> other expensive DA lens? >> >> Joe >> >> > > > -- > -- > > The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: > 12/31/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: > 12/31/2006 > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I'm expecting it to be superseded in that period of time but not functionally obsoleted for much longer. I expected that it will have to be replaced for marketing purposes or the user will be seen as hopelessly out dated. Jens Bladt wrote: > 4-5 years? > I expect development to be accelerating. As the *ist has become somewhat > obsolete in 2-3 years, I expect huge improvements every two-3 years - enough > to make me want to upgrade every two-three years! > Regards > > Jens Bladt > Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/godtnytaarshow.html > > http://www.jensbladt.dk > +45 56 63 77 11 > +45 23 43 85 77 > Skype: jensbladt248 > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af P. J. > Alling > Sendt: 1. januar 2007 18:46 > Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Emne: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > > Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect > that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This > looks like a perfect camera for them. > > Joseph Tainter wrote: > >> Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 >> (supposedly first part of 2007). >> >> - >> >> Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when deciding >> whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or any >> other expensive DA lens? >> >> Joe >> >> >> > > > -- > -- > > The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: 12/31/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: 12/31/2006 > > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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4-5 years? I expect development to be accelerating. As the *ist has become somewhat obsolete in 2-3 years, I expect huge improvements every two-3 years - enough to make me want to upgrade every two-three years! Regards Jens Bladt Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/godtnytaarshow.html http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af P. J. Alling Sendt: 1. januar 2007 18:46 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This looks like a perfect camera for them. Joseph Tainter wrote: > Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 > (supposedly first part of 2007). > > - > > Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when deciding > whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or any > other expensive DA lens? > > Joe > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: 12/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: 12/31/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Joseph Tainter wrote on Mon, 01 Jan 2007 09:50:43 -0800: > I should clarify this, since some people thought I was referring to a > possible switch to Sony. That isn't what I meant. > > There are many "ifs." Here are two: (1) If the rumor is true. (2)If > the > sensor is affordable enough to bring out a camera at the original > price > point of the D100 and *ist D--about U.S. $1700. If these "ifs" should > come true, this sensor will gain an expanding share of the market, and > in time either drive out APS-C sensors, or reduce their use to very > low-end cameras. That is why I am wondering whether I should buy any > more DA lenses. > > Whether APS-C is good enough for anyone's individual needs, or for > DSLRs > in general, is irrelevant. Problems of using wide angle lenses on a > 24 x > 36 mm sensor are irrelevant. The 645D is irrelevant. All that matters > will be the dynamics of the market. Reviewers and retailers will hype > the sensor. It will become the standard. Nikon will have to adopt it, > then Pentax will follow. > > This is not speculation. It is what we see happening now with the > 10 mp > sensor starting to displace the 6 mp sensor that many of us liked. > > I hope these things don't happen. I like my DA lenses and I like shake > reduction. But if this sensor materializes, watch the price carefully. > If it is priced affordably, the days of the APS-C sensor and DA lenses > are numbered. Joe, I can agree with much of your reasoning but I think that if FF DSLRs are priced above $1500 there will still be a limited market for them compared to APS-C DSLRs priced at $800 and below. Most camera buyers are not advanced amateurs and for them, $1500 (plus lenses) is a very significant barrier to purchase. I expect to see entry-level DSLRs offered for less than $400 or less with a kit lens by the end of the year, and FF will likely never get to this price point. IMO, the DA lenses will continue to have a significant market for a long, long time. Of course, you would have to sell your DA lenses if you moved to FF, but there *will* be a market for them. Remember the film SLR market - the >$1000 cameras only sold in small numbers; the volume sales were of sub-$500 cameras. I'm betting that the DSLR market will follow a similar pattern. Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The DA 40mm seems to be exactly the same formula as the M 40 in a mechanically different mount. At least Boz seems to think so, since he uses the same optical diagram for both lenses. There should be no surprise therefor that the DA 40mm will cover FF 35mm with some light fall off in the corners... Jim King wrote: > William Robb wrote on Mon, 01 Jan 2007 10:12:42 -0800: > > (snip) > > >> The only DA lens I have bought that I could have filled with an FA >> lens is >> the DA40. I could have bought the FA43 for a lot more money, but on >> FF, I >> never saw the use for that particular length, so the 40 is a good (and >> relatively inexpensive) compromise for a long standard. >> > > Bill, the DA40 seems to cover the FF format very nicely in my tests, > so you haven't lost anything by getting it. It's really a nice > little lens, although a stop slower than I would prefer. > > Regards, Jim > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote on Mon, 01 Jan 2007 10:12:42 -0800: (snip) > The only DA lens I have bought that I could have filled with an FA > lens is > the DA40. I could have bought the FA43 for a lot more money, but on > FF, I > never saw the use for that particular length, so the 40 is a good (and > relatively inexpensive) compromise for a long standard. Bill, the DA40 seems to cover the FF format very nicely in my tests, so you haven't lost anything by getting it. It's really a nice little lens, although a stop slower than I would prefer. Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Joseph Tainter" Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 > (supposedly first part of 2007). > > - > > Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when deciding > whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or any > other expensive DA lens? It's something to consider, but for me it has been trumped by the needs of the now. Right now, APS C sized sensors are what is available to me, so if I want a particular AOV, I need to buy a focal length that gives me that. Since what is available is DA lenses, that is what I am buying to fill those holes. The only DA lens I have bought that I could have filled with an FA lens is the DA40. I could have bought the FA43 for a lot more money, but on FF, I never saw the use for that particular length, so the 40 is a good (and relatively inexpensive) compromise for a long standard. There may be a move to 24x36mm sensors in the future, if that happens, then I may be in the market for another lens or two. Or perhaps not, since my short focal length full frame lenses will be wide angle lenses again So it goes, one can never have too many lenses. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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So you want a fast normal APS lens? (28/2DA)? On FF, you can get a killer 50mm F1.4 for much less money thats twice as fast. Hell, how much are the 43mm/1.9 FF lenses going for compared to the DA28mm/2? the 43mm/1.9 FF lens on FF would most likely be way better overall performance than the 28mm/2DA on digital APS I would think for several reasons... jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 12:29 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) Since my investment now is in Pentax bodies and lenses, and I'm extremely satisfied with what I can do with them, what Sony does with their Alpha line is of little immediate interest. I could really really use a DA28/2 Limited ... that's the one lens I don't have that would net me the most gains. And if I'm going to continue shooting much with the 645, I need to upgrade my scanner to a V700 or dedicated film scanner to get the most out of it. Once the other cameras and bodies are sold, a second K10D body will be needed. I have pretty much everything I want in lenses already, although I am awaiting the DA35, DA55, have my eye on the DA70, and occasionally think about the DA*60-250 ... And then there's the Pentax 645D. LOL! It never ends. "More pictures, less equipment." A new mantra for 2007. :-) Godfrey On Jan 1, 2007, at 9:07 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Not me. I'm buying the DA* lenses if I can afford them. I'll be using > my K10 for at least several years. I'm not going to handicap myself on > the basis of what might happen. Plus, I'm sure that even if Pentax > releases a FF camera (which I doubt), they'll continue with their > current line. The 645D will be the Pentax pro body. > >> Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when >> deciding whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* >> zooms, or >> any >> other expensive DA lens? >> >>> Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 >>> (supposedly first part of 2007). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I dont know about you guys, but I would not buy ANY "very" expensive or even "expensive" lens that has a useful life of only 4-5 years, that's just absurd. Its bad enough the the bodies go obsolete so fast, but understandable due to the extreme complexity and changes in the body technology, but very expensive lenses being useless in 4-5 years? No way I am ever going to play that game. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 12:46 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This looks like a perfect camera for them. Joseph Tainter wrote: > Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 > (supposedly first part of 2007). > > - > > Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when > deciding > whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or any > other expensive DA lens? > > Joe > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 (supposedly first part of 2007). - Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when deciding whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or any other expensive DA lens? - I should clarify this, since some people thought I was referring to a possible switch to Sony. That isn't what I meant. There are many "ifs." Here are two: (1) If the rumor is true. (2)If the sensor is affordable enough to bring out a camera at the original price point of the D100 and *ist D--about U.S. $1700. If these "ifs" should come true, this sensor will gain an expanding share of the market, and in time either drive out APS-C sensors, or reduce their use to very low-end cameras. That is why I am wondering whether I should buy any more DA lenses. Whether APS-C is good enough for anyone's individual needs, or for DSLRs in general, is irrelevant. Problems of using wide angle lenses on a 24 x 36 mm sensor are irrelevant. The 645D is irrelevant. All that matters will be the dynamics of the market. Reviewers and retailers will hype the sensor. It will become the standard. Nikon will have to adopt it, then Pentax will follow. This is not speculation. It is what we see happening now with the 10 mp sensor starting to displace the 6 mp sensor that many of us liked. I hope these things don't happen. I like my DA lenses and I like shake reduction. But if this sensor materializes, watch the price carefully. If it is priced affordably, the days of the APS-C sensor and DA lenses are numbered. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This looks like a perfect camera for them. Joseph Tainter wrote: > Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 > (supposedly first part of 2007). > > - > > Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when deciding > whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or any > other expensive DA lens? > > Joe > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The Minolta auto focus mount. J. C. O'Connell wrote: > What type lens mount is Sony using again? > jco > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Joseph Tainter > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:54 AM > To: pdml@pdml.net > Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) > > > Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 > (supposedly first part of 2007). > > - > > Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when deciding > > whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or any > other expensive DA lens? > > Joe > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Since my investment now is in Pentax bodies and lenses, and I'm extremely satisfied with what I can do with them, what Sony does with their Alpha line is of little immediate interest. I could really really use a DA28/2 Limited ... that's the one lens I don't have that would net me the most gains. And if I'm going to continue shooting much with the 645, I need to upgrade my scanner to a V700 or dedicated film scanner to get the most out of it. Once the other cameras and bodies are sold, a second K10D body will be needed. I have pretty much everything I want in lenses already, although I am awaiting the DA35, DA55, have my eye on the DA70, and occasionally think about the DA*60-250 ... And then there's the Pentax 645D. LOL! It never ends. "More pictures, less equipment." A new mantra for 2007. :-) Godfrey On Jan 1, 2007, at 9:07 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Not me. I'm buying the DA* lenses if I can afford them. I'll be using > my K10 for at least several years. I'm not going to handicap myself on > the basis of what might happen. Plus, I'm sure that even if Pentax > releases a FF camera (which I doubt), they'll continue with their > current line. The 645D will be the Pentax pro body. > >> Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when >> deciding >> whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or >> any >> other expensive DA lens? >> >>> Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 >>> (supposedly first part of 2007). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Not me. I'm buying the DA* lenses if I can afford them. I'll be using my K10 for at least several years. I'm not going to handicap myself on the basis of what might happen. Plus, I'm sure that even if Pentax releases a FF camera (which I doubt), they'll continue with their current line. The 645D will be the Pentax pro body. Paul On Jan 1, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Joseph Tainter wrote: > Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 > (supposedly first part of 2007). > > - > > Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when > deciding > whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or any > other expensive DA lens? > > Joe > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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What type lens mount is Sony using again? jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Tainter Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:54 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year) Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 (supposedly first part of 2007). - Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when deciding whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or any other expensive DA lens? Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 (supposedly first part of 2007). - Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when deciding whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or any other expensive DA lens? Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I indeed hear more and more rumors about upcoming FF sensors and cameras. Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007 (supposedly first part of 2007). Nikon is supposed to introduced a pro camera (not 5D-like but more of an 1Dsmk2-like) in 2007 too based on a ?? sensor (Sony is logical but what about Fuji?) Pentax... hope they have thought about that and are ready to follow without too much delay (with the optics as well)... These ar eof course just rumors and nothing else but having Sony making an FF sensor is of course a nice idea... but problematic too. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
