Re: [QUAD-L] New Bowel Management System - Peristeen Plus

[Edward Tessier]

I've been using Peristeen since it first came out. My traditional program of 
suppositories and fleets gradually become more and more time consuming until it 
lasted for hours, was painful, and   triggered dysreflexia. it was also leaving 
me with bowel accident so often I was afraid to leave the house. Peristeen has 
been a complete game changer.  It's not as messy so using it is easier on my 
attendants.  it does not trigger dysreflexia for me.  it's not painful, unless 
I have a hemorrhoid (regular hemorrhoid cream the night before is taking care 
of that).  it takes the predictable amount of time and is comparatively speedy 
(about 45 minutes beginning to end every other day), so I can add it to my 
morning routine without it messing up my busy schedule.

Perhaps most importantly, it is EFFECTIVE.  It actually cleans me out and I 
almost never have bowel mishaps, anymore.  this has been a humongous benefit to 
going out, making travel plans (It's very portable, fitting in a midsized 
purse), my love life ( it not only eliminated untimely accidents it removed the 
mood to killing anxiety of potential accidents), etc.   I hadn't really 
realized how my old bowel management program had compromised my quality of life 
until I saw the difference Peristeen made.   In fact, I would say it was at the 
very top of the list of the products that have made my quadriplegia manageable, 
along with a Sure Hands lift,  a Ride wheelchair cushion,  accessible minivan, 
and Alexa as a smart home controller.

The only downside I experienced with Peristeen was its cost.  Since it wasn't 
covered initially by my insurance, I had to pay out-of-pocket around $300 A 
MONTH.  This was rough to handle but since it dramatically increased the time I 
had for work, and allowed me to go to the office without racing home from bowel 
accidents, it was worth it financially.  it took a few years but eventually I 
found a doctor in my network (Kaiser Permanente) that believed in the benefits 
of Peristeen  to advocate for it internally. Late last year, my insurance 
decided to cover it completely.

If Peristeen had not come out when it did, I probably would've ended up with a 
colostomy bag.  I understand they can work wonders for some people, but I was 
dreading it. Peristeen  gave me options, and a huge boost to my quality of 
life.  I rave about it to every Quad and Para I meet. my wife jokes that I'm 
trying to get a job at Coloplast (the manufacturer).

 I've been happy to see that Peristeen is is being strongly supported by 
Coloplast.  they just came out with an upgraded design that makes the reusable 
pump last longer.

 if anybody has more questions about it, please reach out.

Ed Tessier




From: Don Price 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 12:57 PM
To: Shala Silverstein ; Dana 
Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Bowel Management System - Peristeen Plus

Hi everyone!

I've been a c5 quad for 40 years now. Bowel programs are the most difficult 
thing for most of us. Grr
Recently I was at a conference and talked to the Coloplast rep regarding their 
new(ish) bowel product, Peristeen Plus. It's an enema system (nothing new 
there), but the design of it and the way it works seems like a real 
improvement. Check out the YouTube video.

Disclaimer: I have not tried this product. I don't work for Coloplast or have 
any affiliation with them.


Peristeen Plus is an effective alternative to conservative bowel management 
methods. It can be administered either on your own or with assistance, and 
enables you to decide when and where you want to empty your bowel. Used 
routinely, daily or every other day, it can help reduce the physical discomfort 
and worry that fecal incontinence and constipation bring.
When the recommended amount of water is introduced into the bowel, water and 
stool are emptied into the toilet.
Peristeen Plus can be used by a wide range of people with neurogenic bowel 
dysfunction (NBD), from children to adults. The patient must receive thorough 
instructions from a qualified healthcare professional before using this product.

How to Use Peristeen® Plus (Adult)


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How to Use Peristeen® Plus (Adult)


https://products.coloplast.us/coloplast/continence-care/peristeen/peristeen-plus-tai/peristeen-plus-transanal-irrigation-system/

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[poajoan]

I believe so, just is not approved as the new company did not continue the 
process

It’s too bad, because it is an awesome chair and I feel so secure.  It’s not 
fast!!  But I can climb a 30° hill with no problem, and I can go sideways along 
a hill and not feel that I’m going to Tip over to it

 

From: zzol...@gmail.com [mailto:zzol...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Eric Olson
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 10:29 AM
To: poaj...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: Greg <g...@eskimo.com>; Quad-list Post <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Do they still make the omegatrac?

 

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:27 AM, <poaj...@sbcglobal.net 
<mailto:poaj...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

That is exactly why I don't want the mid-wheel chair.  I live on the hill 
rocks, dirt, and thank god for my omega trac even though it is 15 years old.

 

 

 

From: Greg [mailto:g...@eskimo.com <mailto:g...@eskimo.com> ] 
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:49 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com <mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com> 
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

My new chair is not as powerful as my last. I guess its a trade off with speed.
I was on a dirt road and pulled off to the side for a truck, got stuck.
No torque, once I did get moving, it would not turn.
While stuck, twice cars came right by me, I'm waving both arms... they just 
waved back.
Had to call home. They couldn't pull me out either, but a nice guy saw them 
trying and stopped to help.
I need fatter tires, on the front too. Mid wheel chair

Greg

 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Eric Olson]

Do they still make the omegatrac?

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:27 AM,  wrote:

> *That is exactly why I don't want the mid-wheel *chair.  I live on the
> hill rocks, dirt, and thank god for my omega trac even though it is 15
> years old.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg [mailto:g...@eskimo.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 05, 2018 6:49 PM
> *To:* quad-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* [QUAD-L] New Chair
>
>
>
> My new chair is not as powerful as my last. I guess its a trade off with
> speed.
> I was on a dirt road and pulled off to the side for a truck, got stuck.
> No torque, once I did get moving, it would not turn.
> While stuck, twice cars came right by me, I'm waving both arms... they
> just waved back.
> Had to call home. They couldn't pull me out either, but a nice guy saw
> them trying and stopped to help.
> I need fatter tires, on the front too. Mid wheel chair
>
> Greg
>

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[poajoan]

That is exactly why I don't want the mid-wheel chair.  I live on the hill 
rocks, dirt, and thank god for my omega trac even though it is 15 years old.

 

 

 

From: Greg [mailto:g...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:49 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

My new chair is not as powerful as my last. I guess its a trade off with speed.
I was on a dirt road and pulled off to the side for a truck, got stuck.
No torque, once I did get moving, it would not turn.
While stuck, twice cars came right by me, I'm waving both arms... they just 
waved back.
Had to call home. They couldn't pull me out either, but a nice guy saw them 
trying and stopped to help.
I need fatter tires, on the front too. Mid wheel chair

Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Rose Chase]

My chair is supposed to come next Wednesday. I hope the seat elevating is
part of what Medicare covers as well as elevating foot rests too.

I hope my chair fits too.

Greg,  Good Luck with your new chair.

Rose

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 7:54 PM, Greg  wrote:

> Yeah, suppose to deliver my new chair tomorrow.
> It only took  year. Though first 6 months were a different company. Then
> they realized they stopped taking my insurance.
>
> Though I had great luck in getting things covered. I was told no way will
> my insurance cover the speed package, and 100% not covered was the seat
> raise. But they covered it all. At 80%
>
> Now I hope it fits...
> Greg
>

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Rose Chase]

I have been waiting since May and still haven't gotten my chair. It is
December and and I don't even know  if it has been sent to Medicare.
Glad to hear I am not the only one.
Rose

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Eric Olson  wrote:

> Congratulations.  My chair took over a year too.
>
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Greg  wrote:
>
>> After almost a year of trying to get a new chair, it was finely OKed and
>> ordered.
>> They say the rest can take a month, but I wont count on it.
>> Quickie 710.
>> Greg
>>
>
>

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Eric Olson]

Congratulations.  My chair took over a year too.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Greg  wrote:

> After almost a year of trying to get a new chair, it was finely OKed and
> ordered.
> They say the rest can take a month, but I wont count on it.
> Quickie 710.
> Greg
>

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[wheelchair]

I would consider contacting Medicare/Medicaid and tell them to stop making  
payments to your provider and then contact Invacare-Customer Care, with the 
 serial number of your chair.
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 8/15/2017 8:21:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
lwillis82...@msn.com writes:

How about this. I got my new Invacare storm last November. About a month  
ago it started messing up. When you turn the power off it won't come back on. 
 You have to disconnect the batteries. I think I described this earlier. 
Well  the repair guy came by a couple of weeks ago and determined that the 
problem  was in the joystick/control. I called them yesterday and they said 
they will  not recognize the warranty because the unit had apparently been wet. 
This  thing has never felt even a sprinkle! I have a strong desire to 
strike  somebody with great force. What a bunch of crooks and liars! Any 
suggestions?  Invacare wants my insurance to pay for it. Well of course they 
do. 
Bunch of  greedy $);&:@! Any words of wisdom out there?

Sent from my  iPad

Begin forwarded message:



Resent-From: 
From:  greg 
Date: August  15, 2017 at 8:48:51 PM EDT
To: 
Subject:  [QUAD-L] New Chair




 
Been  trying 6 months to get a new chair. First few months was mis 
communication.  I was waiting for them to send me info, the rep thought he had 
and 
was  waiting for me. Then arguing over what type of chair they could order. 
Now I  get prescription to fix my old chair. They called and said they no 
longer  work with my insurance group. I asked about the new chair we were 
working  on. They said, Sorry, we didn't realize it was a different group name. 
So  its starting all over.
 
The name  of the chair place I get from my insurance.1 star rated, very bad 
BBB  rating, 4 brands of chairs I've never heard of. I'm appealing to see 
if I  can buy out of network. Can take another 15 days. What hassles. 
 
Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Prob

[Jeffrey Gaede]

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  From: greg 
 To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 12:22 PM
 Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair Prob
   
Just heard from my chair 
rep.They said you can not get seat raiser, legrest raiser, tilt, recline, and 
speed package all together. They said speed package or seat raiser, not 
both.Quantum Edge Z Anyone know of a chair that goes 7.5+, and seat raiser?  
ThxGreg

   

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

[Nichole Rohling]

Bobbie,

 

I dread it! I guess I should start calling and getting quotes.

Which Quantum chair do you have?

 

Nicki

 

From: Bobbie Humphreys [mailto:bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: Nichole Rohling
Cc: Danny Hearn; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

 

When I got a new chair my van conversion company charged me $800 to put a 
ezlock bracket on the bottom of my new Quantum 

Bobbie 

"Be the change you want to see in the world". Gandhi


On Jul 25, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> wrote:

Danny,

 

Do you drive and use the EZ-Lock to lock into your van? If so did you have to 
move driving equipment and EZ-Lock to compensate changing from an Invacare to 
the Quantum?

 

My Invacare base is 33” and the Quantum is 36” so this is a concern especially 
because it will be out of pocket to add new EZ-Lock to chair and if I have to 
make changes in my van the expense will be greater. 

 

Nicki

 

From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:59 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

 

Nicki...they are solid and I go everywhere and they show zero signs  of any 
wear at all...I'm am very impressed by that, they are so much better than the  
invacare tires ever were. The ride is a bit better or smoother also, although 
my last Invacare is 7 years old so they may have made improvements also.  Dan**

 

On Monday, July 10, 2017 1:34 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:

 

Thanks Danny

 

I am pretty positive I want to stick with rear wheel drive. Are the tires on 
your Quantum solid or air filled?

 

Nicki 

 

From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:13 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

 

I got the Quantum Rival a few months back with the speed upgrade, I think it 
goes about 7 mph or sowhich is pretty quick for outdoors, It took a bit of 
getting used to it  because like you I had been in Invacare Arrows for the past 
14 years, all my chairs have been REAR wheel drive and that works great for me 
and fit into my 1995 chevy astro mini van. Many folks do not like the rear 
wheel indoors because it is not good for tight turns like the mid-wheels can 
do. My area is set up for outdoors...it has trails and park area's near me, so 
rear wheel is great for me. I suggest trying a few like you said you are going 
to do. I do love the Quick Change buttons on this Quantum that can switch from 
tilt/leg lift back to drive very fast by a button on either side of the 
control. good, luck, Dan H***

 

On Monday, July 10, 2017 12:39 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:

 

I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action Arrow 
Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are under a 
consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from getting 
an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing it as 
well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out the 
Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 footrest 
which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even think my 
feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to bring the 
Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on 
the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t 
hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo 
chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare.

 

Would love input on any of these chairs.

 

Nicki

 

 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

[Dana Wray]

 Hi Bobbie,
 I was supposed to start my wheelchair evaluation this month but when I
called they are booked up until October.
  I have a Permoble  so I will probably stick with this,   Unless I hear
about a better  wheelchair. .

   July 26 is my 43rd anniversary
Dana C 4-5 complete quadriplegic.

We have to get a new wheelchair bracket with a chair

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:53 PM Bobbie Humphreys <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> When I got a new chair my van conversion company charged me $800 to put a
> ezlock bracket on the bottom of my new Quantum
> Bobbie
>
> "Be the change you want to see in the world". Gandhi
>
> On Jul 25, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
> wrote:
>
> Danny,
>
>
>
> Do you drive and use the EZ-Lock to lock into your van? If so did you have
> to move driving equipment and EZ-Lock to compensate changing from an
> Invacare to the Quantum?
>
>
>
> My Invacare base is 33” and the Quantum is 36” so this is a concern
> especially because it will be out of pocket to add new EZ-Lock to chair and
> if I have to make changes in my van the expense will be greater.
>
>
>
> Nicki
>
>
>
> *From:* Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net <ddh...@sbcglobal.net>]
> *Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2017 1:59 PM
> *To:* Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options
>
>
>
> Nicki...they are solid and I go everywhere and they show zero signs  of
> any wear at all...I'm am very impressed by that, they are so much better
> than the  invacare tires ever were. The ride is a bit better or smoother
> also, although my last Invacare is 7 years old so they may have made
> improvements also.  Dan**
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 10, 2017 1:34 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks Danny
>
>
>
> I am pretty positive I want to stick with rear wheel drive. Are the tires
> on your Quantum solid or air filled?
>
>
>
> Nicki
>
>
>
> *From:* Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net <ddh...@sbcglobal.net>]
> *Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2017 1:13 PM
> *To:* Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options
>
>
>
> I got the Quantum Rival a few months back with the speed upgrade, I think
> it goes about 7 mph or sowhich is pretty quick for outdoors, It took a
> bit of getting used to it  because like you I had been in Invacare Arrows
> for the past 14 years, all my chairs have been REAR wheel drive and that
> works great for me and fit into my 1995 chevy astro mini van. Many folks do
> not like the rear wheel indoors because it is not good for tight turns like
> the mid-wheels can do. My area is set up for outdoors...it has trails and
> park area's near me, so rear wheel is great for me. I suggest trying a few
> like you said you are going to do. I do love the Quick Change buttons on
> this Quantum that can switch from tilt/leg lift back to drive very fast by
> a button on either side of the control. good, luck, Dan H***
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 10, 2017 12:39 PM, Nichole Rohling <
> zoocr...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action
> Arrow Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are
> under a consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away
> from getting an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be
> testing it as well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider
> brought out the Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have
> always had 2 footrest which allows me to straddle table posts at
> restaurants) I don’t even think my feet would stay on a center mounted foot
> plate. They were suppose to bring the Invacare first and the employee
> agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on the plate. He even told me
> that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t hear that from him. The
> DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo chairs but said they
> can only get 1 side for the Invacare.
>
>
>
> Would love input on any of these chairs.
>
>
>
> Nicki
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

[Bobbie Humphreys]

When I got a new chair my van conversion company charged me $800 to put a 
ezlock bracket on the bottom of my new Quantum 
Bobbie 

"Be the change you want to see in the world". Gandhi

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Danny,
>  
> Do you drive and use the EZ-Lock to lock into your van? If so did you have to 
> move driving equipment and EZ-Lock to compensate changing from an Invacare to 
> the Quantum?
>  
> My Invacare base is 33” and the Quantum is 36” so this is a concern 
> especially because it will be out of pocket to add new EZ-Lock to chair and 
> if I have to make changes in my van the expense will be greater.
>  
> Nicki
>  
> From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:59 PM
> To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options
>  
> Nicki...they are solid and I go everywhere and they show zero signs  of any 
> wear at all...I'm am very impressed by that, they are so much better than the 
>  invacare tires ever were. The ride is a bit better or smoother also, 
> although my last Invacare is 7 years old so they may have made improvements 
> also.  Dan**
>  
> 
> On Monday, July 10, 2017 1:34 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
> wrote:
>  
> 
> Thanks Danny
>  
> I am pretty positive I want to stick with rear wheel drive. Are the tires on 
> your Quantum solid or air filled?
>  
> Nicki
>  
> From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:13 PM
> To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options
>  
> I got the Quantum Rival a few months back with the speed upgrade, I think it 
> goes about 7 mph or sowhich is pretty quick for outdoors, It took a bit 
> of getting used to it  because like you I had been in Invacare Arrows for the 
> past 14 years, all my chairs have been REAR wheel drive and that works great 
> for me and fit into my 1995 chevy astro mini van. Many folks do not like the 
> rear wheel indoors because it is not good for tight turns like the mid-wheels 
> can do. My area is set up for outdoors...it has trails and park area's near 
> me, so rear wheel is great for me. I suggest trying a few like you said you 
> are going to do. I do love the Quick Change buttons on this Quantum that can 
> switch from tilt/leg lift back to drive very fast by a button on either side 
> of the control. good, luck, Dan H***
>  
> On Monday, July 10, 2017 12:39 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
> wrote:
>  
> I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action Arrow 
> Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are under a 
> consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from 
> getting an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing 
> it as well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out 
> the Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 
> footrest which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even 
> think my feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to 
> bring the Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet 
> would stay on the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out 
> but I didn’t hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests 
> for the demo chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare.
>  
> Would love input on any of these chairs.
>  
> Nicki
>  
>  

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair ?

[Nichole Rohling]

Spoken with them a few times and today they said they will have their rep for 
my area call me, only downfall is she is on vacation until the 31st. Hoping 
she’ll call while on vacation J and can speak with the vendor too.

 

I would like to call the FDA but not sure who/where/division I would need to 
call. Hopefully rep can tell me.

 

Nicki  

 

From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:39 PM
To: zoocr...@windstream.net; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair ?

 

Why not call Invacare directly and get the story from them.  Tell them what you 
want and why you want to. Let them pull while you are pushing.   BTW, who's the 
customer anyway?  Customer, is always right.  Call Medicare/Medicaid in your 
state and let them know what the provider is doing to you.

Best Wishes

 

In a message dated 7/19/2017 1:58:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
zoocr...@windstream.net writes:

Below is a previous message I sent the quadlist. I decided this morning I don’t 
even want to demo any chairs. The DME vendor is having  problem getting two 
footrests instead of the platform plate for all 3 chairs. I’ve been in an 
Invacare Action Arrow Storm for 19 years. They no longer make this chair but 
the Torque 3 is the same chair, different motor. 

 

I called vendor to tell them to order the Invacare but they told me we have to 
provide reasons why the other chairs won’t work before the FDA will sign off on 
it (since Invacare is currently under Consent Decree with FDA). So they still 
want me to demo chairs and come up with reasons they won’t work.

 

I am so frustrated. I know one deal breaker is the armrests because I have a 
bag that we attach to a particular spot on my armrest and I put my leg bag in 
it so it is hidden. Their suggestion is to put in on front of seat pan. That 
won’t work, not even gonna try it, what’s not broke doesn’t need fixed.

 

Also, I believe by having the same base I won’t have to move e-z locks in the 
floor of my van where as if the other bases are different not only will I have 
to pay to have bolt added to chair but the expense of moving the bases.

 

Anyone else want to help me come up with reasons why other chairs won’t work?

 

My rear is the one that sits in it so why can’t I just pick what I freaking 
want?

 

Nicki   

 

 

I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action Arrow 
Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are under a 
consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from getting 
an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing it as 
well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out the 
Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 footrest 
which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even think my 
feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to bring the 
Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on 
the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t 
hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo 
chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare.

 

Would love input on any of these chairs.

 

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

[Nichole Rohling]

Danny,

 

Do you drive and use the EZ-Lock to lock into your van? If so did you have to 
move driving equipment and EZ-Lock to compensate changing from an Invacare to 
the Quantum?

 

My Invacare base is 33” and the Quantum is 36” so this is a concern especially 
because it will be out of pocket to add new EZ-Lock to chair and if I have to 
make changes in my van the expense will be greater. 

 

Nicki

 

From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:59 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

 

Nicki...they are solid and I go everywhere and they show zero signs  of any 
wear at all...I'm am very impressed by that, they are so much better than the  
invacare tires ever were. The ride is a bit better or smoother also, although 
my last Invacare is 7 years old so they may have made improvements also.  Dan**

 

On Monday, July 10, 2017 1:34 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:

 

Thanks Danny

 

I am pretty positive I want to stick with rear wheel drive. Are the tires on 
your Quantum solid or air filled?

 

Nicki 

 

From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:13 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

 

I got the Quantum Rival a few months back with the speed upgrade, I think it 
goes about 7 mph or sowhich is pretty quick for outdoors, It took a bit of 
getting used to it  because like you I had been in Invacare Arrows for the past 
14 years, all my chairs have been REAR wheel drive and that works great for me 
and fit into my 1995 chevy astro mini van. Many folks do not like the rear 
wheel indoors because it is not good for tight turns like the mid-wheels can 
do. My area is set up for outdoors...it has trails and park area's near me, so 
rear wheel is great for me. I suggest trying a few like you said you are going 
to do. I do love the Quick Change buttons on this Quantum that can switch from 
tilt/leg lift back to drive very fast by a button on either side of the 
control. good, luck, Dan H***

 

On Monday, July 10, 2017 12:39 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:

 

I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action Arrow 
Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are under a 
consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from getting 
an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing it as 
well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out the 
Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 footrest 
which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even think my 
feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to bring the 
Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on 
the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t 
hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo 
chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare.

 

Would love input on any of these chairs.

 

Nicki

 

 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair ?

[wheelchair]

Why not call Invacare directly and get the story from them.  Tell them  
what you want and why you want to. Let them pull while you are  pushing.   BTW, 
who's the customer anyway?  Customer, is always  right.  Call 
Medicare/Medicaid in your state and let them know what the  provider is doing 
to you.
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 7/19/2017 1:58:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
zoocr...@windstream.net writes:

 
Below is a previous message I sent the quadlist. I decided  this morning I 
don’t even want to demo any chairs. The DME vendor is having  problem 
getting two footrests instead of the platform plate for all 3  chairs. I’ve 
been 
in an Invacare Action Arrow Storm for 19 years. They no  longer make this 
chair but the Torque 3 is the same chair, different motor.   
I called vendor to tell them to order the Invacare but they  told me we 
have to provide reasons why the other chairs won’t work before the  FDA will 
sign off on it (since Invacare is currently under Consent Decree with  FDA). 
So they still want me to demo chairs and come up with reasons they won’t  
work. 
I am so frustrated. I know one deal breaker is the armrests  because I have 
a bag that we attach to a particular spot on my armrest and I  put my leg 
bag in it so it is hidden. Their suggestion is to put in on front  of seat 
pan. That won’t work, not even gonna try it, what’s not broke doesn’t  need 
fixed. 
Also, I believe by having the same base I won’t have to  move e-z locks in 
the floor of my van where as if the other bases are  different not only will 
I have to pay to have bolt added to chair but the  expense of moving the 
bases. 
Anyone else want to help me come up with reasons why other  chairs won’t 
work? 
My rear is the one that sits in it so why can’t I just pick  what I 
freaking want? 
Nicki
I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had  the Invacare Action Arrow 
Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with  the FDA and are under 
a consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to  steer me away from 
getting an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am  suppose to be 
testing it as well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The  provider 
brought 
out the Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have  always had 2 
footrest which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants)  I don’t 
even think my feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They  were 
suppose to bring the Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t  think my 
feet would stay on the plate. He even told me that the motors in the  Rival 
go out but I didn’t hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to  get 
footrests for the demo chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the  
Invacare. 
Would love input on any of these chairs. 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair ?

[Jeffrey Gaede]

You know how when someone is in a car accident they often claim a neck injury, 
which is nondescript and difficult to pinpoint.  You just have trouble sitting 
up all day in those chairs.  You don't understand why, but it hurts and you 
have to go back to bed.  Only the Invacare seems to allow for your sitting up 
all day.

  From: Nichole Rohling 
 To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:58 AM
 Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair ?
   
Below is a previous message I sent the 
quadlist. I decided this morning I don’t even want to demo any chairs. The DME 
vendor is having  problem getting two footrests instead of the platform plate 
for all 3 chairs. I’ve been in an Invacare Action Arrow Storm for 19 years. 
They no longer make this chair but the Torque 3 is the same chair, different 
motor.   I called vendor to tell them to order the Invacare but they told me we 
have to provide reasons why the other chairs won’t work before the FDA will 
sign off on it (since Invacare is currently under Consent Decree with FDA). So 
they still want me to demo chairs and come up with reasons they won’t work.  I 
am so frustrated. I know one deal breaker is the armrests because I have a bag 
that we attach to a particular spot on my armrest and I put my leg bag in it so 
it is hidden. Their suggestion is to put in on front of seat pan. That won’t 
work, not even gonna try it, what’s not broke doesn’t need fixed.  Also, I 
believe by having the same base I won’t have to move e-z locks in the floor of 
my van where as if the other bases are different not only will I have to pay to 
have bolt added to chair but the expense of moving the bases.  Anyone else want 
to help me come up with reasons why other chairs won’t work?  My rear is the 
one that sits in it so why can’t I just pick what I freaking want?  Nicki       
I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action Arrow 
Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are under a 
consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from getting 
an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing it as 
well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out the 
Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 footrest 
which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even think my 
feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to bring the 
Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on 
the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t 
hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo 
chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare.  Would love input on 
any of these chairs.  

   

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

[Danny Hearn]

Nicki...they are solid and I go everywhere and they show zero signs  of any 
wear at all...I'm am very impressed by that, they are so much better than the  
invacare tires ever were. The ride is a bit better or smoother also, although 
my last Invacare is 7 years old so they may have made improvements also.  Dan** 

On Monday, July 10, 2017 1:34 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:
 

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{}#yiv7589219971 Thanks Danny  I am pretty positive I want to stick with rear 
wheel drive. Are the tires on your Quantum solid or air filled?  Nicki   From: 
Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:13 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options  I got the Quantum Rival a few months 
back with the speed upgrade, I think it goes about 7 mph or sowhich is 
pretty quick for outdoors, It took a bit of getting used to it  because like 
you I had been in Invacare Arrows for the past 14 years, all my chairs have 
been REAR wheel drive and that works great for me and fit into my 1995 chevy 
astro mini van. Many folks do not like the rear wheel indoors because it is not 
good for tight turns like the mid-wheels can do. My area is set up for 
outdoors...it has trails and park area's near me, so rear wheel is great for 
me. I suggest trying a few like you said you are going to do. I do love the 
Quick Change buttons on this Quantum that can switch from tilt/leg lift back to 
drive very fast by a button on either side of the control. good, luck, Dan H*** 
 On Monday, July 10, 2017 12:39 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:  I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action 
Arrow Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are 
under a consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from 
getting an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing 
it as well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out the 
Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 footrest 
which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even think my 
feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to bring the 
Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on 
the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t 
hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo 
chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare. Would love input on 
any of these chairs. Nicki  

   

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

[Nichole Rohling]

Thanks Danny

 

I am pretty positive I want to stick with rear wheel drive. Are the tires on 
your Quantum solid or air filled?

 

Nicki 

 

From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:13 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

 

I got the Quantum Rival a few months back with the speed upgrade, I think it 
goes about 7 mph or sowhich is pretty quick for outdoors, It took a bit of 
getting used to it  because like you I had been in Invacare Arrows for the past 
14 years, all my chairs have been REAR wheel drive and that works great for me 
and fit into my 1995 chevy astro mini van. Many folks do not like the rear 
wheel indoors because it is not good for tight turns like the mid-wheels can 
do. My area is set up for outdoors...it has trails and park area's near me, so 
rear wheel is great for me. I suggest trying a few like you said you are going 
to do. I do love the Quick Change buttons on this Quantum that can switch from 
tilt/leg lift back to drive very fast by a button on either side of the 
control. good, luck, Dan H***

 

On Monday, July 10, 2017 12:39 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:

 

I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action Arrow 
Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are under a 
consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from getting 
an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing it as 
well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out the 
Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 footrest 
which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even think my 
feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to bring the 
Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on 
the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t 
hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo 
chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare.

 

Would love input on any of these chairs.

 

Nicki

 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

[Danny Hearn]

I got the Quantum Rival a few months back with the speed upgrade, I think it 
goes about 7 mph or sowhich is pretty quick for outdoors, It took a bit of 
getting used to it  because like you I had been in Invacare Arrows for the past 
14 years, all my chairs have been REAR wheel drive and that works great for me 
and fit into my 1995 chevy astro mini van. Many folks do not like the rear 
wheel indoors because it is not good for tight turns like the mid-wheels can 
do. My area is set up for outdoors...it has trails and park area's near me, so 
rear wheel is great for me. I suggest trying a few like you said you are going 
to do. I do love the Quick Change buttons on this Quantum that can switch from 
tilt/leg lift back to drive very fast by a button on either side of the 
control. good, luck, Dan H*** 

On Monday, July 10, 2017 12:39 PM, Nichole Rohling 
 wrote:
 

 I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have 
had the Invacare Action Arrow Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble 
with the FDA and are under a consent decree with them. My DME is really trying 
to steer me away from getting an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am 
suppose to be testing it as well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The 
provider brought out the Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have 
always had 2 footrest which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I 
don’t even think my feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were 
suppose to bring the Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my 
feet would stay on the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go 
out but I didn’t hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get 
footrests for the demo chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the 
Invacare.  Would love input on any of these chairs.  Nicki

   

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair?

[Danny Espinoza]

I used to but now I'm Permobil all the way! 

 

From: greg [mailto:g...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair?

 

The chair shop suggests the Q6 Edge z, Quantum.

 

They say Medicare no longer covers seat elevators. Its like $2,700, but I
need it to transfer. I'd love a faster chair, but is $1,600 worth 2 extra
mph in the speed package. To go from 6mph to 8mph.

 

Anyone have the Q6 Edge Z?

 

Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Carolyn Boyles]

A lot of the folks in the Arkansas Spinal Cord Commission's support 
group use the same chair as Debra and really like it. Most of these I'm 
thinking of are on workman's compensation and that's how they get their 
chairs paid for.


Carolyn

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[DEBRA DEW]

I love my Permobil chairman power chair.  I paid $23,000 for it and a 
replacement now is $40,000 and I'm trying to get another one. It was fully 
articulating so you can sleep at night in it if you're so desired. I was more 
comfortable in my chair then I was in my bed. I purchased it because Mark 
Smith, the wheelchair junkie, said it was the "Cadillac of power chairs" and 
that was in the nineteen 
nineties.….https://www.shermanoaksmedical.com/Permobil_Power_Wheelchairs_p/permobil-f5.htm

[http://www.shermanoaksmedical.com/v/vspfiles/photos/PERMOBIL-F5-2T.jpg]<https://www.shermanoaksmedical.com/Permobil_Power_Wheelchairs_p/permobil-f5.htm>

Permobil F5 Corpus Rehab Power Wheelchair Has Driving 
...<https://www.shermanoaksmedical.com/Permobil_Power_Wheelchairs_p/permobil-f5.htm>
www.shermanoaksmedical.com
Permobil F5 Corpus Rehab Power Wheelchair has maximum speed of 7.5 mph, driving 
range of 16 miles and maximum weight capacity of 300 lbs.




Debra Scruggs-Scruggs phalanx-dragon slayers -PRISONER OF HOPE ZECH. 9
Formerly: Homeschooling mom of 9 and pvt. pilot
Currently: Quadrapeligic due to advanced MS and living in a nursing home
Phone: 561-588-4333
SC student 20yrs
ROMANS 8:28
B.I.B.L.E.-BASIC INSTRUCTIONS BEFORE LEAVING EARTH



From: Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:59 PM
To: wheelch...@aol.com; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair


I would do a commercial for them! I honestly can’t imagine being in anything 
but Invacare,.

Thank you so much for your advice over the years!



Nicki



From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:31 PM
To: zoocr...@windstream.net; ju...@jlar.org; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair



When you call Invacare Customer Service, be prepared to lay it on thick.  Let 
them know you love their chair and would not want to be stuck in another brand, 
 start crying if you must.  Let them know what the vendors are doing to 
consumers. Who knows what they can do for you.  Good Luck and I hope you 
win an Oscar !



Best Wishes



In a message dated 6/19/2017 12:42:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
zoocr...@windstream.net<mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net> writes:

They told me we would have to prove that no other chair would work for me? Did 
you have this same experience?



Nicki



From: Julie [mailto:ju...@jlar.org]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:03 PM
To: 'Nichole Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair



Hi,

I am getting a new Invacare Torque 3 Wednesday.  They were halted for a couple 
years, so I waited but they are at least in operation now.

Julie

From: Nichole Rohling [mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com<mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com>
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair



Need your opinions and input please



I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I 
am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. 
They are no longer making this chair :(

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I 
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum 
Rival.



They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think 
that’s right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it.



I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have 
trust issues with them)

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have 
lasted 19 years.



What would you recommend?



Nicki

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Nichole Rohling]

I would do a commercial for them! I honestly can’t imagine being in anything 
but Invacare,.

Thank you so much for your advice over the years!

 

Nicki

 

From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:31 PM
To: zoocr...@windstream.net; ju...@jlar.org; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

When you call Invacare Customer Service, be prepared to lay it on thick.  Let 
them know you love their chair and would not want to be stuck in another brand, 
 start crying if you must.  Let them know what the vendors are doing to 
consumers. Who knows what they can do for you.  Good Luck and I hope you 
win an Oscar !

 

Best Wishes

 

In a message dated 6/19/2017 12:42:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
zoocr...@windstream.net writes:

They told me we would have to prove that no other chair would work for me? Did 
you have this same experience?

 

Nicki

 

From: Julie [mailto:ju...@jlar.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:03 PM
To: 'Nichole Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Hi,

I am getting a new Invacare Torque 3 Wednesday.  They were halted for a couple 
years, so I waited but they are at least in operation now.

Julie

From: Nichole Rohling [mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Need your opinions and input please

 

I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I 
am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. 
They are no longer making this chair L

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I 
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum 
Rival.

 

They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think 
that’s right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it. 

 

I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have 
trust issues with them) 

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have 
lasted 19 years. 

 

What would you recommend?

 

Nicki

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[wheelchair]

Commission people could/would say something like this.  Remember who  they 
work for
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 6/19/2017 4:15:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
zoocr...@windstream.net writes:

 
Yes,  and they said it would take longer to get the chair. 
Nicki 
 
 
From: Jeffrey Gaede  [mailto:jsga...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:57  PM
To: Nichole Rohling; 'Julie';  quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New  Chair

 
 
Someone is telling  you that you have to prove that no other chair would 
work?  I would want  to see that in writing.
 

 
 
 
 
  

 
From:  Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
To:  'Julie' <ju...@jlar.org>; quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent:  Monday, June 19, 2017 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New  Chair
 
 
 
 
 
They told me we  would have to prove that no other chair would work for me? 
Did you have this  same experience?
 

 
Nicki
 

 
 
 
From:  Julie [mailto:ju...@jlar.org]  
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:03 PM
To: 'Nichole  Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair


 

 
Hi,
 
I am getting a new  Invacare Torque 3 Wednesday.  They were halted for a 
couple years, so I  waited but they are at least in operation now.
 
Julie
 
 
 
From: Nichole Rohling  [mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Monday,  June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New  Chair


 

 
Need your opinions  and input please
 

 
I have been  injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) 
and I am getting  ready to get a new chair.
 
This will be my  3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow  
Storms. They are no longer making this chair L
 
I hate change! I  went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair 
I want (Invacare  Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair
 
And it would be  difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or 
Quantum  Rival.
 

 
They told me that  an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I 
think that’s right) and  their concern is if I got the
 
Invacare they  might quit making parts for it. 
 

 
I feel they  probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really 
have trust  issues with them) 
 
. I have had  incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 
have lasted 19  years. 
 

 
What would you  recommend?
 

 
Nicki

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[wheelchair]

I found this most interesting.  So I called Invacare and read back to  them 
what you wrote.  I was assure that they were still in business and new  
plants continue to open.
 
Have you considered calling your local CMS Office and asking for a written  
copy of the procedure/guideline for someone in need of an electric 
wheelchair,  with a doctor's order.
 
Your salesperson is trying to guide you to a product they stock, for their  
benefit, not yours.  Call Invacare Customer Service and hear from the  
Horse's Mouth... rather than from the Horse's Ass.  (smiling)
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 6/19/2017 11:48:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
zoocr...@windstream.net writes:

 
Need your opinions and input please 
I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but  I was wrong) 
and I am getting ready to get a new chair. 
This will be my 3rd chair and and my  1st two were Invacare Action Arrow 
Storms. They are no longer  making this chair L 
I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was  told the chair 
I want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4  chair 
And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a  Permobil C350 or 
Quantum Rival. 
They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by  the FDA ( I 
think that’s right) and their concern is if I got  the 
Invacare they might quit making parts for it.   
I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs  (I just really 
have trust issues with them)  
. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs,  obviously since 2 
have lasted 19 years.  
What would you recommend? 
Nicki

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Nichole Rohling]

Thank you Raymond

 

From: Raymond Kelly [mailto:kelra...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:40 PM
To: 'Nichole Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

>From what I have heard about Invacare I would stay away from them if you
can. I get my wheelchairs through the VA and they said they will not deal
with Invacare anymore until they get there FDA problem straightened out. I
have had a couple different wheelchair vendors basically tell me the same
thing. I can tell you that I have had two permobil wheelchair so far and I
have had very good luck with them. I know firsthand that Permobil does make
a very good product.

That is my 2 cents.

 

Raymond

C3/4 complete

 

From: Nichole Rohling [mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Need your opinions and input please

 

I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and
I am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow
Storms. They are no longer making this chair L

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or
Quantum Rival.

 

They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think
that's right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it. 

 

I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really
have trust issues with them) 

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have
lasted 19 years. 

 

What would you recommend?

 

Nicki

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Nichole Rohling]

I was anxiously awaiting your response Wheelchair! I will call  my CMS office 
and ask. Invacare has been nothing but wonderful and helpful to me, why would I 
want to change?

 

Nicki

 

From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:15 PM
To: zoocr...@windstream.net; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

I found this most interesting.  So I called Invacare and read back to them what 
you wrote.  I was assure that they were still in business and new plants 
continue to open.

 

Have you considered calling your local CMS Office and asking for a written copy 
of the procedure/guideline for someone in need of an electric wheelchair, with 
a doctor's order.

 

Your salesperson is trying to guide you to a product they stock, for their 
benefit, not yours.  Call Invacare Customer Service and hear from the Horse's 
Mouth... rather than from the Horse's Ass. (smiling)

Best Wishes

 

In a message dated 6/19/2017 11:48:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
zoocr...@windstream.net writes:

Need your opinions and input please

 

I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I 
am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. 
They are no longer making this chair L

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I 
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum 
Rival.

 

They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think 
that’s right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it. 

 

I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have 
trust issues with them) 

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have 
lasted 19 years. 

 

What would you recommend?

 

Nicki

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Nichole Rohling]

Yes, and they said it would take longer to get the chair.

Nicki

 

From: Jeffrey Gaede [mailto:jsga...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:57 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; 'Julie'; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Someone is telling you that you have to prove that no other chair would work?  
I would want to see that in writing.

 

  _  

From: Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
To: 'Julie' <ju...@jlar.org>; quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

They told me we would have to prove that no other chair would work for me? Did 
you have this same experience?

 

Nicki

 

From: Julie [mailto:ju...@jlar.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:03 PM
To: 'Nichole Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Hi,

I am getting a new Invacare Torque 3 Wednesday.  They were halted for a couple 
years, so I waited but they are at least in operation now.

Julie

From: Nichole Rohling [mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Need your opinions and input please

 

I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I 
am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. 
They are no longer making this chair L

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I 
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum 
Rival.

 

They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think 
that’s right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it. 

 

I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have 
trust issues with them) 

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have 
lasted 19 years. 

 

What would you recommend?

 

Nicki

 

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Nichole Rohling]

Good to know

 

From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:20 PM
To: Nichole Rohling
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

No, Mine has to be open also...never had the solid type, Will not work for me 
either. Dan H***

 

On Monday, June 19, 2017 1:34 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:

 

Thanks, the Quantum Rival is made by Pride Mobility. Do you have the footrest 
that is more like a platform and is solid?

I eat out a lot and need my footrests to have space between them to straddle 
the post if a table has single post, that is

Definitely a must for me.

 

Nicki

 

From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:03 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

My last 2 chairs have been invacare storm series also with rear wheel drive, I 
just had to get a new chair and wanted the same, since they work for us plus 
fit in our mini astro wheelchair van..They told me everyone including 
invacare is getting away from the rear wheel drive chairs, so my supplier 
ordered me a chair from Pride Mobility that still makes a rear wheel drive, 
They use Quantam Electronics I think. So far I am very happy with this new 
chair except my legs are so long that I don't have very much clearance from the 
floor...so I have to recline back a few inches when going over ramps,thresholds 
or outside, I'm now used to that but most people would not have this problem 
probably. I love the Electronics...they have a quick change button that can 
switch from tilt/leg lift or back into drive and then 4 speeds of drive, this 
chair is fast goes 7.5 mph. It even has a built in clock and how many miles you 
driveSince I got it in February I have put 91.3  miles on it. The tires are 
extremely good and show zero wear so far.( my invacare tires would be at 
least a quarter of the way worn out already) so these must be very well made.  
I now have my last chair going as a back up but my old back up chair I am 
giving away if anyone wants it or needs partsIt works and has the charger 
with it but has set so long It would need the batteries replaced...It is also 
and invacare storm rear wheel drive chair with tilt and leg lift, there is a 
place online called Wholesare batteries that sells all the same batteries we 
need for much,much cheaper than the suppliers do.  Dan H. St. Louis, Mo. area.

 

On Monday, June 19, 2017 11:49 AM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:

 

Need your opinions and input please

 

I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I 
am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. 
They are no longer making this chair L

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I 
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum 
Rival.

 

They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think 
that’s right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it. 

 

I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have 
trust issues with them) 

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have 
lasted 19 years. 

 

What would you recommend?

 

Nicki

 

 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Jeffrey Gaede]

Like I was saying earlier, you have to basically live in the chair for who 
knows how many years.  You should be making that choice.  I'm in a Pride chair 
now, after two Invacares.  If I hadn't been steered away from Invacare, that's 
what I would have.  I don't like this Pride chair.  Would I be happier in an 
Invacare?  I don't know but it would've been completely my decision without any 
steering by others.

  From: Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
 To: 'Jeffrey Gaede' <jsga...@yahoo.com>; quad-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:47 PM
 Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair
   
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they said it would take longer to get the chair.Nicki  From: Jeffrey Gaede 
[mailto:jsga...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:57 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; 'Julie'; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair  Someone is telling you that you have to prove 
that no other chair would work?  I would want to see that in writing.  From: 
Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
To: 'Julie' <ju...@jlar.org>; quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair  They told me we would have to prove that no 
other chair would work for me? Did you have this same experience? Nicki From: 
Julie [mailto:ju...@jlar.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:03 PM
To: 'Nichole Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair Hi,I am getting a new Invacare Torque 3 
Wednesday.  They were halted for a couple years, so I waited but they are at 
least in operation now.JulieFrom: Nichole Rohling 
[mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair Need your o

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Danny Hearn]

My last 2 chairs have been invacare storm series also with rear wheel drive, I 
just had to get a new chair and wanted the same, since they work for us plus 
fit in our mini astro wheelchair van..They told me everyone including 
invacare is getting away from the rear wheel drive chairs, so my supplier 
ordered me a chair from Pride Mobility that still makes a rear wheel drive, 
They use Quantam Electronics I think. So far I am very happy with this new 
chair except my legs are so long that I don't have very much clearance from the 
floor...so I have to recline back a few inches when going over ramps,thresholds 
or outside, I'm now used to that but most people would not have this problem 
probably. I love the Electronics...they have a quick change button that can 
switch from tilt/leg lift or back into drive and then 4 speeds of drive, this 
chair is fast goes 7.5 mph. It even has a built in clock and how many miles you 
driveSince I got it in February I have put 91.3  miles on it. The tires are 
extremely good and show zero wear so far.( my invacare tires would be at 
least a quarter of the way worn out already) so these must be very well made.  
I now have my last chair going as a back up but my old back up chair I am 
giving away if anyone wants it or needs partsIt works and has the charger 
with it but has set so long It would need the batteries replaced...It is also 
and invacare storm rear wheel drive chair with tilt and leg lift, there is a 
place online called Wholesare batteries that sells all the same batteries we 
need for much,much cheaper than the suppliers do.  Dan H. St. Louis, Mo. area. 

On Monday, June 19, 2017 11:49 AM, Nichole Rohling 
 wrote:
 

 Need your opinions and input please  I have 
been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I am 
getting ready to get a new chair.This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two 
were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. They are no longer making this chair LI hate 
change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I want 
(Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chairAnd it would be difficult to 
get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum Rival.  They told me that an 
Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think that’s right) and their 
concern is if I got theInvacare they might quit making parts for it.   I feel 
they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have trust 
issues with them) . I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, 
obviously since 2 have lasted 19 years.   What would you recommend?  Nicki

   

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Jeffrey Gaede]

Someone is telling you that you have to prove that no other chair would work?  
I would want to see that in writing.

  From: Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
 To: 'Julie' <ju...@jlar.org>; quad-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:42 AM
 Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair
   
They told me we would 
have to prove that no other chair would work for me? Did you have this same 
experience?  Nicki  From: Julie [mailto:ju...@jlar.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:03 PM
To: 'Nichole Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair  Hi,I am getting a new Invacare Torque 3 
Wednesday.  They were halted for a couple years, so I waited but they are at 
least in operation now.JulieFrom: Nichole Rohling 
[mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair  Need your opinions and input please  I have been 
injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I am getting 
ready to get a new chair.This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were 
Invacare Action Arrow Storms. They are no longer making this chair LI hate 
change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I want 
(Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chairAnd it would be difficult to 
get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum Rival.  They told me that an 
Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think that’s right) and their 
concern is if I got theInvacare they might quit making parts for it.   I feel 
they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have trust 
issues with them) . I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, 
obviously since 2 have lasted 19 years.   What would you recommend?  Nicki

   

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Nichole Rohling]

Thank you for your input!! I called Invacare last fall so looks like I’ll be 
calling again. I know my vendor has

An issue w/ Invacare because they started shipping parts orders together 
instead of separated.

 

Nicki

 

From: Jeffrey Gaede [mailto:jsga...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:13 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

I think that's BS.  Go to the Invacare site.  Last time I went there they were 
fine.  It may take more to get what you want but get what you want.  I didn't.  
I listened to a specific individual who steered me away from Invacare, even 
though my last two chairs were Invacare and I loved them.  Don't settle.  Do 
research.

 

  _  

From: Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:50 AM
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Need your opinions and input please

 

I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I 
am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. 
They are no longer making this chair L

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I 
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum 
Rival.

 

They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think 
that’s right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it. 

 

I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have 
trust issues with them) 

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have 
lasted 19 years. 

 

What would you recommend?

 

Nicki

 

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Nichole Rohling]

They told me we would have to prove that no other chair would work for me?
Did you have this same experience?

 

Nicki

 

From: Julie [mailto:ju...@jlar.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:03 PM
To: 'Nichole Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Hi,

I am getting a new Invacare Torque 3 Wednesday.  They were halted for a
couple years, so I waited but they are at least in operation now.

Julie

From: Nichole Rohling [mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Need your opinions and input please

 

I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and
I am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow
Storms. They are no longer making this chair L

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or
Quantum Rival.

 

They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think
that's right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it. 

 

I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really
have trust issues with them) 

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have
lasted 19 years. 

 

What would you recommend?

 

Nicki

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Jeffrey Gaede]

I think that's BS.  Go to the Invacare site.  Last time I went there they were 
fine.  It may take more to get what you want but get what you want.  I didn't.  
I listened to a specific individual who steered me away from Invacare, even 
though my last two chairs were Invacare and I loved them.  Don't settle.  Do 
research.

  From: Nichole Rohling 
 To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:50 AM
 Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair
   
Need your opinions and input please  I have 
been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I am 
getting ready to get a new chair.This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two 
were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. They are no longer making this chair LI hate 
change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I want 
(Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chairAnd it would be difficult to 
get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum Rival.  They told me that an 
Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think that’s right) and their 
concern is if I got theInvacare they might quit making parts for it.   I feel 
they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have trust 
issues with them) . I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, 
obviously since 2 have lasted 19 years.   What would you recommend?  Nicki

   

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[RONALD L PRACHT]

Ive gotten two manual chairs since 1998. My first one was an action mvp and the 
second and current chair is a quickie 2 which I have held together from ebay 
parts from (2001-2017). I have replaced everything on the chair at least once 
except the red frame, which is wobbly because its a folder. Ive had 10 sets on 
rear tires, 4 sets of casters, 2 jay backs, 3 jay 2 cushions, 8 sets of scissor 
brakes, 6 sets of sideguards 7 seatbelts, 4 seat platforms, I found every part 
either at sportaid, ebay or somewhere else online. In 2001 I got lucky and was 
presented a brand new p-222 special edition Darryl Gywnn Racing power chair. 
That chair has some guts, it will climb places you shouldn't go. The first week 
I had it I took it close to a mile on rough grassy hills to get to the lake and 
popped a front tire. I was stupid and got air filled front casters(8x2) and to 
make it worse you couldn't take the wheel off without taking the tension off 
this spring system used for the suspension. I  called the dealer that presented 
it to me and he said, I learned the hard way with a chevy nova not to take 
things apart I couldn't handle, he was telling me not to get my father to fix 
it, but the price was 180.00, so my dad pulled it apart in the living room and 
I replaced the air filled tires with foam filled. That chair now sits in the 
corner with dead batteries and Im still in my quickie 2.
The biggest problem how things are handled with mobility solutions for the 
disabled is inequality. One guy gets a house given to him, free vans and 
another guy is given one hospital chair. Nothing is equal or even close to 
fair, the squeaky wheel and the best insurance plans get the most and the best. 
We need something that's equal across the board for every disabled individual. 
Im so tired of one golden boy or girl getting everything while someone else is 
laying in a bed that they cant get a new mattress for with half a dozen bed 
sores. Am I the only one that's heard the stories and had disabled friends die 
over a wheelchair cushion they never got?
Ron  

On Thursday, January 19, 2017 8:39 PM, greg  wrote:
 

 #yiv1725865668 #yiv1725865668 --body{font-size:14pt;}#yiv1725865668 
LI{display:list-item;margin:0.00in;}#yiv1725865668 
p{display:block;margin:0.00in;}#yiv1725865668 body{}#yiv1725865668 I was at St. 
Joseph's wheelchair clinic, with a dealer rep. 
They said Medicare wont cover seat raisers anymore for any reason.Even with a 
docs orders. We are going to write it up and hope. I'll try appealing.Have to 
at least try.Greg > A medical doctor that specializes in rehab medicine, can 
order such> based on your medical needs. Best Wishes  >> In a message dated 
1/19/2017 7:07:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,> g...@eskimo.com writes:> Had 
an appointment>> yesterday, getting fit for a new chair. They said my AARP>> 
Medicare Replacement does not cover seat elevators or bigger>> motors. I 
understand not covering faster motors, but I need the>> seat raised to get 
transfered. It costs like $2,500-$3,000 to add>> it. Same for bigger motors. 
Thats $5-6,000, just for that. Plus>> 20% Ouch... Greg

   

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[wheelchair]

Have YOU consider a written appeal to your insurance.
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2017 8:39:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
g...@eskimo.com writes:

I was at St. Joseph's wheelchair clinic,  with a dealer rep. 
They said Medicare wont cover seat raisers anymore for  any reason.
Even with a docs orders. We are going to  write it up and hope. I'll try 
appealing.
Have to at least try.
Greg
 
> A medical doctor that  specializes in rehab medicine, can order such
> based on your medical  needs. Best Wishes  
>
> In a message dated  1/19/2017 7:07:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> g...@eskimo.com  writes:
>
>>
>> Had an  appointment
>> yesterday, getting  fit for a new chair. They said my AARP
>> Medicare  Replacement does not cover seat elevators or bigger
>> motors. I  understand not covering faster motors, but I need the
>> seat raised to get  transfered. It costs like $2,500-$3,000 to add
>> it. Same for bigger  motors. Thats $5-6,000, just for that. Plus
>> 20% Ouch...  Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[greg]

I was at St. Joseph's wheelchair clinic, with a dealer rep. They said Medicare wont cover seat raisers anymore for any reason.
Even with a docs orders. We are going to write it up and hope. I'll try appealing.
Have to at least try.
Greg
 
> A medical doctor that specializes in rehab medicine, can order such
> based on your medical needs. Best Wishes  
>
> In a message dated 1/19/2017 7:07:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> g...@eskimo.com writes:
>
>>
>> Had an appointment
>> yesterday, getting fit for a new chair. They said my AARP
>> Medicare Replacement does not cover seat elevators or bigger
>> motors. I understand not covering faster motors, but I need the
>> seat raised to get transfered. It costs like $2,500-$3,000 to add
>> it. Same for bigger motors. Thats $5-6,000, just for that. Plus
>> 20% Ouch... Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[wheelchair]

A medical doctor that specializes in rehab medicine, can order such based  
on your medical needs.
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2017 7:07:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
g...@eskimo.com writes:

Had an appointment  yesterday, getting fit for a new chair. They said my 
AARP Medicare Replacement  does not cover seat elevators or bigger motors. I 
understand not covering  faster motors, but I need the seat raised to get 
transfered. It costs like  $2,500-$3,000 to add it. Same for bigger motors. 
Thats $5-6,000, just for  that. Plus 20% Ouch...  Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Lori Michaelson]

Ditto as Danny as far as the reclining option on my Permobil M 300 in
September 2011 and the price of the entire chair was $32,000 I think.
Medicare covered that but I had to pay the 20% that Medicare did not pay
and had to pay the full $5000 for the recline option.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Danny Espinoza 
wrote:

> I had to pay out of pocket for mine on my Permobil m300.
> -Danny
>
>
>
> *From:* greg [mailto:g...@eskimo.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:51 PM
> *To:* quad-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* [QUAD-L] New Chair
>
>
>
> I finely started the new chair process. I just kept putting it off. Cost
> to darn much, I owe 20%. They told me Medicare no longer pays for seat
> elevator or faster motors. So that's even more for me. I have AARP Medicare
> Replacement. Covers a bit more, but same rules for durable medical.
>
>
>
> Was anyone able to get seat elevator or faster motors covered? If so, what
> need did you use?
>
>
>
> I never tie down, I sit sideways behind the seat. Now my motors auto break
> is so warn out, I roll a lot. We had to hit the breaks hard coming home. I
> was too much at an angle and rolled into the back of the seat. Snapped my
> joystick right off. All the screws just snapped. Luckily I had 1 extra
> screw at home. Supposed to use 4.
>
>
>
> The new chairs sound pretty good. Said it could have a USB, and the
> joystick can operate remote controls. Very cool.
>
>
>
> Greg
>



-- 
"Petting, scratching and cuddling a dog could be soothing to the mind and
heart and deep meditation and almost as good for the soul as prayer." ~Dean
Koontz

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Danny Espinoza]

I had to pay out of pocket for mine on my Permobil m300.
-Danny

 

From: greg [mailto:g...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:51 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

I finely started the new chair process. I just kept putting it off. Cost to
darn much, I owe 20%. They told me Medicare no longer pays for seat elevator
or faster motors. So that's even more for me. I have AARP Medicare
Replacement. Covers a bit more, but same rules for durable medical.

 

Was anyone able to get seat elevator or faster motors covered? If so, what
need did you use?

 

I never tie down, I sit sideways behind the seat. Now my motors auto break
is so warn out, I roll a lot. We had to hit the breaks hard coming home. I
was too much at an angle and rolled into the back of the seat. Snapped my
joystick right off. All the screws just snapped. Luckily I had 1 extra screw
at home. Supposed to use 4.

 

The new chairs sound pretty good. Said it could have a USB, and the joystick
can operate remote controls. Very cool.

 

Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Law Expands Access To Special Needs Trusts - Disability Scoop

[RONALD L PRACHT]

Any funds in the trust are not viewable to Medicaid, lawyers, divorce or any 
other source. Its essentially "hidden" money. The old drawback was the cost and 
the fact you must put a family members name first on the trust.
Ron 

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 3:16 AM, Dana Wray  wrote:
 

 Does your trust affect your ability to get Medicaid funded care? I think 
you're limited to having $2000 in your checking or savings account to qualify 
for Medicaid.Dana C 4-5 quadriplegia, 42 years post injury.
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:25 AM, RONALD L PRACHT  wrote:

This is awesome Jim. I paid big money to get mine set up, but its the way to go.
ron 

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 12:09 AM, Jim Lubin  
wrote:
 

 https://www.disabilityscoop. com/2016/12/16/new-access- 
special-needs-trusts/23140/
New Law Expands Access To Special Needs Trustsby Michelle Diament | December 
16, 2016
Tucked inside a larger bill signed by President Barack Obama this week is a 
tweak to federal law that’s designed to make it easier for people with 
disabilities to save money.
Under the new law, individuals with disabilities can create a special needs 
trust for themselves rather than relying on others to do so.
Previously, such trusts needed to be established by a parent, grandparent, 
legal guardian or a court.
The change outlined in a bill known as the Special Needs Trust Fairness Act was 
approved unanimously by the U.S. Senate last year and passed the House of 
Representatives in September.
But due to some differences in the House version, the measure returned to the 
Senate and was ultimately bundled within the 21st Century Cures Act, which 
Obama signed Tuesday.
The option for people with disabilities to create their own special needs 
trusts takes effect immediately.
“This provision replaces an antiquated law that was unfair and outmoded in its 
treatment of people with disabilities,” said Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, who 
sponsored the Special Needs Trust Fairness Act.
“Those who want and need to set up a trust to help pay for their care should be 
able to do so, plain and simple,” Grassley said. “This measure allows 
individuals to act in their own interests with their own assets without having 
to rely on a family member or the courts.”

   



   

Re: [QUAD-L] New Law Expands Access To Special Needs Trusts - Disability Scoop

[RONALD L PRACHT]

This is awesome Jim. I paid big money to get mine set up, but its the way to go.
ron 

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 12:09 AM, Jim Lubin  
wrote:
 

 
https://www.disabilityscoop.com/2016/12/16/new-access-special-needs-trusts/23140/
New Law Expands Access To Special Needs Trustsby Michelle Diament | December 
16, 2016
Tucked inside a larger bill signed by President Barack Obama this week is a 
tweak to federal law that’s designed to make it easier for people with 
disabilities to save money.
Under the new law, individuals with disabilities can create a special needs 
trust for themselves rather than relying on others to do so.
Previously, such trusts needed to be established by a parent, grandparent, 
legal guardian or a court.
The change outlined in a bill known as the Special Needs Trust Fairness Act was 
approved unanimously by the U.S. Senate last year and passed the House of 
Representatives in September.
But due to some differences in the House version, the measure returned to the 
Senate and was ultimately bundled within the 21st Century Cures Act, which 
Obama signed Tuesday.
The option for people with disabilities to create their own special needs 
trusts takes effect immediately.
“This provision replaces an antiquated law that was unfair and outmoded in its 
treatment of people with disabilities,” said Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, who 
sponsored the Special Needs Trust Fairness Act.
“Those who want and need to set up a trust to help pay for their care should be 
able to do so, plain and simple,” Grassley said. “This measure allows 
individuals to act in their own interests with their own assets without having 
to rely on a family member or the courts.”

   

Re: [QUAD-L] New spinal cord injury movie

[Jim Lubin]

I want to see it just because of Emilia Clarke!

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Gmail  wrote:

> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh993__rOxA
>
> Check out this trailer of a new movie of a male high level quad.
> Bobbie
>
>
>
> Smile Everyday
>

Re: [QUAD-L] New spinal cord injury movie

[wheelchair]

Joan, I like your observations. Good Press, Bad Press is all  good.  It 
get people thinking and perhaps, asking. Conversations can  clarify the 
differences between individuals, including Paras and Quads.   What will you say 
when approached by someone who says, "I just saw a movie about  a Quad... 
is that how it is?"
How will you respond ?
 
Atta Girl Joan !
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 5/1/2016 10:26:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
poaj...@sbcglobal.net writes:

 
I feel rather differently about living life as a  quadriplegic.  None of us 
is able to know what other people do behind  closed doors, nor do we know 
what pain, suffering, and agony other people go  through. 
I have a friend who I feel has it much more  difficult than I do.  True, he 
has use of all of his limbs, and he can  walk with the help of a walker.  
Because of an injury to his legs where  they were totally crushed, he is in 
constant pain which has not responded to  any of the treatments.  He is only 
35, was an agriculture teacher who was  chosen as one of the state’s 
outstanding teachers.  He is no longer able  to work, has four children who 
can’t 
understand what happened to daddy.   He tries so hard to keep involved in his 
children’s lives, be a great husband  to his wife, but in recent months has 
lost over 60 pounds, cannot sleep more  than an hour at a time.  He’s not a 
quadriplegic, but I will take my life  over his. 
Would I choose to be a quadriplegic!  Absolutely  not.  But im one, I hate 
many aspects of this life, but I have chosen to  make the best of it.  I 
look up to all of you who have been quad so many  many years, Bobbie, Nan, 
Lori, and too many others to name.  My 25 years  has also been a 
roller-coaster, 
but I will choose to ride it as hard as I can  rest of my life. 
Sorry, I’ll get off my soapbox now.  Joan 




 

--  
 
 
 
 
"Petting, scratching and cuddling a dog could be soothing  to the mind and 
heart and deep meditation and almost as good for the soul as  prayer." ~Dean 
 Koontz

Re: [QUAD-L] New spinal cord injury movie

[RONALD L PRACHT]

Everybody that lives as a quad has a different situation. The most important 
factor is a support system. Some of us have tons of support and some have very 
little. In any case we all still have life and we try to do the best we can 
with what we have left. The guy with the crushed legs is no different, he is 
doing the best with what he has. Life is for the living and we all are still 
among the living striving to make the best outcome we have. Is a blind person 
worse off than a quad? Is a person with aids better off than a para? Who really 
knows, we are just a group of quads here trying to help each other with one 
issue at a time. Ive had great times as a quad and horrible. At this moment Im 
in pain and trying not to take more pills than I need to. I did complete my 
power cycle this week and Im going to go on a big adventure this week 
regardless. Im trying to find good still as often as I can.
Ron  

On Sunday, May 1, 2016 10:26 PM, Joan Anglin <poaj...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
 

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feel rather differently about living life as a quadriplegic.  None of us is 
able to know what other people do behind closed doors, nor do we know what 
pain, suffering, and agony other people go through.  I have a friend who I feel 
has it much more difficult than I do.  True, he has use of all of his limbs, 
and he can walk with the help of a walker.  Because of an injury to his legs 
where they were totally crushed, he is in constant pain which has not responded 
to any of the treatments.  He is only 35, was an agriculture teacher who was 
chosen as one of the state’s outstanding teachers.  He is no longer able to 
work, has four children who can’t understand what happened to daddy.  He tries 
so hard to keep involved in his children’s lives, be a great husband to his 
wife, but in recent months has lost over 60 pounds, cannot sleep more than an 
hour at a time.  He’s not a quadriplegic, but I will take my life over 
his.Would I choose to be a quadriplegic!  Absolutely not.  But im one, I hate 
many aspects of this life, but I have chosen to make the best of it.  I look up 
to all of you who have been quad so many many years, Bobbie, Nan, Lori, and too 
many others to name.  My 25 years has also been a roller-coaster, but I will 
choose to ride it as hard as I can rest of my life.Sorry, I’ll get off my 
soapbox now.  Joan  From: Lori Michaelson [mailto:lorilivin...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 2:19 PM
To: HOSNI AL-KHATIB <hosnialkha...@hotmail.com>; quad-list 
<quad-list@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New spinal cord injury movie  I feel the same way that 
you do Hosni ... I just did not want to come out and say/sound cynical. I was 
married and my life was like that but I lost it on June 11, 2012 when my 
husband passed away. Yes, it is fiction so for able-bodied people... it gives 
them the wrong impression as to the real life of a quadriplegic. Things like 
this can and do happen but, for the most part, our problems are too much for 
others to take on.  On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 4:47 AM, HOSNI AL-KHATIB 
<hosnialkha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi My Friends  This Is Not The Real Life Of A Quadriplegic Person,It's All 
Fiction My Friends,Life Is So Hard For Us...What Can I Say,And I Don’t Want 
Fake Kindness And Sympathy Just Because I’m A Quadriplegic. GOD Bless You


  -- "Petting, scratching and cuddling a dog could be soothing to the mind and 
heart and deep meditation and almost as good for the soul as prayer." ~Dean 
Koontz

  

RE: [QUAD-L] New spinal cord injury movie

[Joan Anglin]

I feel rather differently about living life as a quadriplegic.  None of us is 
able to know what other people do behind closed doors, nor do we know what 
pain, suffering, and agony other people go through.

  I have a friend who I feel has it much more difficult than I do.  True, he 
has use of all of his limbs, and he can walk with the help of a walker.  
Because of an injury to his legs where they were totally crushed, he is in 
constant pain which has not responded to any of the treatments.  He is only 35, 
was an agriculture teacher who was chosen as one of the state’s outstanding 
teachers.  He is no longer able to work, has four children who can’t understand 
what happened to daddy.  He tries so hard to keep involved in his children’s 
lives, be a great husband to his wife, but in recent months has lost over 60 
pounds, cannot sleep more than an hour at a time.  He’s not a quadriplegic, but 
I will take my life over his.

Would I choose to be a quadriplegic!  Absolutely not.  But im one, I hate many 
aspects of this life, but I have chosen to make the best of it.  I look up to 
all of you who have been quad so many many years, Bobbie, Nan, Lori, and too 
many others to name.  My 25 years has also been a roller-coaster, but I will 
choose to ride it as hard as I can rest of my life.

Sorry, I’ll get off my soapbox now.  Joan

 

From: Lori Michaelson [mailto:lorilivin...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 2:19 PM
To: HOSNI AL-KHATIB <hosnialkha...@hotmail.com>; quad-list 
<quad-list@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New spinal cord injury movie

 

I feel the same way that you do Hosni ... I just did not want to come out and 
say/sound cynical. I was married and my life was like that but I lost it on 
June 11, 2012 when my husband passed away. Yes, it is fiction so for 
able-bodied people... it gives them the wrong impression as to the real life of 
a quadriplegic. Things like this can and do happen but, for the most part, our 
problems are too much for others to take on.

 

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 4:47 AM, HOSNI AL-KHATIB <hosnialkha...@hotmail.com 
<mailto:hosnialkha...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

Hi My Friends

 

This Is Not The Real Life Of A Quadriplegic Person,It's All Fiction My 
Friends,Life Is So Hard For Us...What Can I Say,And I Don’t Want Fake Kindness 
And Sympathy Just Because I’m A Quadriplegic. GOD Bless You





 

-- 

"Petting, scratching and cuddling a dog could be soothing to the mind and heart 
and deep meditation and almost as good for the soul as prayer." ~Dean Koontz

Re: [QUAD-L] New spinal cord injury movie

[RONALD L PRACHT]

The biggest thing people or the movies don't get is that not walking is the 
least of a paralyzed individuals problems and everybody isn't paralyzed from 
the waist down. Most also believe that people that can move their arms a little 
are not quads. The movie is fun to watch but doesn't show any of the 
nitty-gritty rubber glove work that's involved with quadriplegia and that's ok 
because very few would watch a real life quad movie. People don't want to know 
the truth.
Ron 

On Sunday, May 1, 2016 4:19 PM, Lori Michaelson  
wrote:
 

 I feel the same way that you do Hosni ... I just did not want to come out and 
say/sound cynical. I was married and my life was like that but I lost it on 
June 11, 2012 when my husband passed away. Yes, it is fiction so for 
able-bodied people... it gives them the wrong impression as to the real life of 
a quadriplegic. Things like this can and do happen but, for the most part, our 
problems are too much for others to take on.
On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 4:47 AM, HOSNI AL-KHATIB  
wrote:

Hi My Friends
This Is Not The Real Life Of A Quadriplegic Person,It's All Fiction My 
Friends,Life Is So Hard For Us...What Can I Say,And I Don’t Want Fake Kindness 
And Sympathy Just Because I’m A Quadriplegic.GOD Bless You



-- 
"Petting, scratching and cuddling a dog could be soothing to the mind and heart 
and deep meditation and almost as good for the soul as prayer." ~Dean Koontz


  

Re: [QUAD-L] New spinal cord injury movie

[Lori Michaelson]

I feel the same way that you do Hosni ... I just did not want to come out
and say/sound cynical. I was married and my life was like that but I lost
it on June 11, 2012 when my husband passed away. Yes, it is fiction so for
able-bodied people... it gives them the wrong impression as to the real
life of a quadriplegic. Things like this can and do happen but, for the
most part, our problems are too much for others to take on.

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 4:47 AM, HOSNI AL-KHATIB 
wrote:

> *Hi My Friends*
>
> *This Is Not The Real Life Of A Quadriplegic Person,It's All Fiction My
> Friends,Life Is So Hard For Us...What Can I Say,And I Don’t Want Fake
> Kindness And Sympathy Just Because I’m A Quadriplegic. GOD Bless You*
>



-- 
"Petting, scratching and cuddling a dog could be soothing to the mind and
heart and deep meditation and almost as good for the soul as prayer." ~Dean
Koontz

Re: [QUAD-L] New spinal cord injury movie

[RONALD L PRACHT]

Hey Hosni, how have you been doing man. I haven't heard from you in awhile.
Ron  

On Sunday, May 1, 2016 5:47 AM, HOSNI AL-KHATIB  
wrote:
 

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Hi My Friends
This Is Not The Real Life Of A Quadriplegic Person,It's All Fiction My 
Friends,Life Is So Hard For Us...What Can I Say,And I Don’t Want Fake Kindness 
And Sympathy Just Because I’m A Quadriplegic.GOD Bless You

  

RE: [QUAD-L] New spinal cord injury movie

[HOSNI AL-KHATIB]

Hi My Friends
This Is Not The Real Life Of A Quadriplegic Person,It's All Fiction My 
Friends,Life Is So Hard For Us...What Can I Say,And I Don’t Want Fake Kindness 
And Sympathy Just Because I’m A Quadriplegic.

GOD Bless You 

Re: [QUAD-L] New spinal cord injury movie

[RONALD L PRACHT]

touching movie bobbie 

On Saturday, April 30, 2016 4:31 PM, Gmail  
wrote:
 

 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh993__rOxA
Check out this trailer of a new movie of a male high level quad.Bobbie 


Smile Everyday

  

Re: [QUAD-L] New mobility device

[Danny Hearn]

Ron...funny you are talking about these add on Trikes now because today an 
older man stopped me and my wife on our local trail near my home and said he 
wanted to show me something on his cell phone he had a picture ofI waited 
while he got the pic to come up and it was an add on trike like  you have, 
LOLhe seemed disappointed that I had saw one before, Anyway he said he is 
expecting a million dollar investment to be mailed to him soon and he wants to 
buy me oneI just laughed and said thanks !  He said really I mean it, but 
it should come in the near future.  Don;t know how soon he will get his money 
but if he is serious I'll take it and try my best on the trails...either way we 
will get together before long... I could show you my local trail or Creve Couer 
lake trail. Dan H*** 

On Monday, April 18, 2016 6:55 PM, RONALD L PRACHT <r.pra...@sbcglobal.net> 
wrote:
 

 Some of them have an unattainable price tag. Look on youtube and you can see 
the different trikes in action. Most of them will get you through pavement and 
light trails. When you get to sand, well it takes a much more powerful machine. 
As a quad I love the attachable because you don't need any complicated 
transfers and its very easy to haul. Theres these two guys on youtube that go 
on adventures in there rio fireflys over impressive ground.
Ron 

On Monday, April 18, 2016 4:46 PM, Robert Vogel <rhvsh...@me.com> wrote:
 

 Hi Gail,
To answer your question—per an add-on device for a manual chair your best bet 
is the Spinergy ZX-1.Here is a link to an article I wrote about it for New 
Mobility: http://www.newmobility.com/2015/11/spinergy/It will take you on 
trails, gravel and sand—to a degree—the front casters of your chair will bog 
you downin soft beach sand.  It is driven with a joystick.
If you need more than that, there are power chairs that can take you almost 
anywhere including snowand deep sand.  If that is what you are asking about, 
let me know and I will find the information.
All the best!Bob Vogel

On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Gail Overton <ga...@pennwell.com> wrote:
Is there anything out there for a quad who cannot move their hands for off-road 
access? And in sand/rock? From: RONALD L PRACHT [mailto:r.pra...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 10:19 AM
To: Quad-list Post
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New mobility device  It should be awesome on trails and 
such. Im hurting a lot so I figured I should get it now while Im still able to 
enjoy it. The next one Im going to buy is a handcycle with electric backup. 
Next year I might sell my firefly and get the other one. I found out the 
attachable cycles are better for me because I don't have to transfer and take a 
chance on skin breakdown. I can use it a lot more this way. I just keep them in 
the garage and just roll out there, hook up and go.takes about 2 
minutes to hook up. its really cool some of the devices they have for people, 
its a shame they cost so much..but at this point ive realized life is short 
and you cant take anything with you when you go. Ron On Monday, April 18, 2016 
11:32 AM, Danny Hearn <ddh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Those are cool Ron, wish I 
would have tried those early in my quad years, but never got good enough in a 
manual chair except to move around in level stores while shopping, been in a 
powerchair for over 18 years now. I bet you could really enjoy that on trails . 
 Dan H*** On Monday, April 18, 2016 11:14 AM, RONALD L PRACHT 
<r.pra...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: I have been using my rio dragonfly handcycle 
since 2010, so I decided to upgrade and get the electric powered rio firefly. I 
found one never used on ebay for 1500.00 dollars shipped. It looks great, 
attaches to the front of a manual chair and has a speedometer and odometer, 
capable of speeds of 12mph. Got a buddy coming to help me get it fitted to my 
chair tomorrow. Im expecting it to really be a blast once everything is worked 
out. My quad hands make it tricky to use a standard bike brake, but Im going to 
slowly adapt it. Rio mobility really makes good stuff, Ive put opver 1000 miles 
on my rio dragonfly with virtually no problems except chain adjustment, worn 
tire and my c5 grips wore out the Velcro. Ron



   

  

Re: [QUAD-L] New mobility device

[Robert Vogel]

Hi Gail,

To answer your question—per an add-on device for a manual chair your best bet 
is the Spinergy ZX-1.
Here is a link to an article I wrote about it for New Mobility: 
http://www.newmobility.com/2015/11/spinergy/ 
<http://www.newmobility.com/2015/11/spinergy/>
It will take you on trails, gravel and sand—to a degree—the front casters of 
your chair will bog you down
in soft beach sand.  It is driven with a joystick.

If you need more than that, there are power chairs that can take you almost 
anywhere including snow
and deep sand.  If that is what you are asking about, let me know and I will 
find the information.

All the best!
Bob Vogel

> On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Gail Overton <ga...@pennwell.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there anything out there for a quad who cannot move their hands for 
> off-road access? And in sand/rock?
>  
> From: RONALD L PRACHT [mailto:r.pra...@sbcglobal.net 
> <mailto:r.pra...@sbcglobal.net>] 
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 10:19 AM
> To: Quad-list Post
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New mobility device
>  
> It should be awesome on trails and such. Im hurting a lot so I figured I 
> should get it now while Im still able to enjoy it. The next one Im going to 
> buy is a handcycle with electric backup. Next year I might sell my firefly 
> and get the other one. I found out the attachable cycles are better for me 
> because I don't have to transfer and take a chance on skin breakdown. I can 
> use it a lot more this way. I just keep them in the garage and just roll out 
> there, hook up and go.takes about 2 minutes to hook up. its really 
> cool some of the devices they have for people, its a shame they cost so 
> much..but at this point ive realized life is short and you cant take 
> anything with you when you go.
>  
> Ron
>  
> 
> On Monday, April 18, 2016 11:32 AM, Danny Hearn <ddh...@sbcglobal.net 
> <mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>  
> 
> Those are cool Ron, wish I would have tried those early in my quad years, but 
> never got good enough in a manual chair except to move around in level stores 
> while shopping, been in a powerchair for over 18 years now. I bet you could 
> really enjoy that on trails .  Dan H***
>  
> 
> On Monday, April 18, 2016 11:14 AM, RONALD L PRACHT <r.pra...@sbcglobal.net 
> <mailto:r.pra...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>  
> 
> I have been using my rio dragonfly handcycle since 2010, so I decided to 
> upgrade and get the electric powered rio firefly. I found one never used on 
> ebay for 1500.00 dollars shipped. It looks great, attaches to the front of a 
> manual chair and has a speedometer and odometer, capable of speeds of 12mph. 
> Got a buddy coming to help me get it fitted to my chair tomorrow. Im 
> expecting it to really be a blast once everything is worked out. My quad 
> hands make it tricky to use a standard bike brake, but Im going to slowly 
> adapt it. Rio mobility really makes good stuff, Ive put opver 1000 miles on 
> my rio dragonfly with virtually no problems except chain adjustment, worn 
> tire and my c5 grips wore out the Velcro.
>  
> Ron

Re: [QUAD-L] New mobility device

[RONALD L PRACHT]

It should be awesome on trails and such. Im hurting a lot so I figured I should 
get it now while Im still able to enjoy it. The next one Im going to buy is a 
handcycle with electric backup. Next year I might sell my firefly and get the 
other one. I found out the attachable cycles are better for me because I don't 
have to transfer and take a chance on skin breakdown. I can use it a lot more 
this way. I just keep them in the garage and just roll out there, hook up and 
go.takes about 2 minutes to hook up. its really cool some of the 
devices they have for people, its a shame they cost so much..but at this 
point ive realized life is short and you cant take anything with you when you 
go.
Ron 

On Monday, April 18, 2016 11:32 AM, Danny Hearn  
wrote:
 

 Those are cool Ron, wish I would have tried those early in my quad years, but 
never got good enough in a manual chair except to move around in level stores 
while shopping, been in a powerchair for over 18 years now. I bet you could 
really enjoy that on trails .  Dan H*** 

On Monday, April 18, 2016 11:14 AM, RONALD L PRACHT 
 wrote:
 

  I have been using my rio dragonfly handcycle since 2010, so I decided to 
upgrade and get the electric powered rio firefly. I found one never used on 
ebay for 1500.00 dollars shipped. It looks great, attaches to the front of a 
manual chair and has a speedometer and odometer, capable of speeds of 12mph. 
Got a buddy coming to help me get it fitted to my chair tomorrow. Im expecting 
it to really be a blast once everything is worked out. My quad hands make it 
tricky to use a standard bike brake, but Im going to slowly adapt it. Rio 
mobility really makes good stuff, Ive put opver 1000 miles on my rio dragonfly 
with virtually no problems except chain adjustment, worn tire and my c5 grips 
wore out the Velcro.
Ron

   

  

Re: [QUAD-L] New mobility device

[Danny Hearn]

Those are cool Ron, wish I would have tried those early in my quad years, but 
never got good enough in a manual chair except to move around in level stores 
while shopping, been in a powerchair for over 18 years now. I bet you could 
really enjoy that on trails .  Dan H*** 

On Monday, April 18, 2016 11:14 AM, RONALD L PRACHT 
 wrote:
 

  I have been using my rio dragonfly handcycle since 2010, so I decided to 
upgrade and get the electric powered rio firefly. I found one never used on 
ebay for 1500.00 dollars shipped. It looks great, attaches to the front of a 
manual chair and has a speedometer and odometer, capable of speeds of 12mph. 
Got a buddy coming to help me get it fitted to my chair tomorrow. Im expecting 
it to really be a blast once everything is worked out. My quad hands make it 
tricky to use a standard bike brake, but Im going to slowly adapt it. Rio 
mobility really makes good stuff, Ive put opver 1000 miles on my rio dragonfly 
with virtually no problems except chain adjustment, worn tire and my c5 grips 
wore out the Velcro.
Ron

  

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Cost

[Danny Hearn]

Bob, this is almost exactly what we paid over 6 years ago, so that figure is 
probably still close depending on make and model, my back up chair is getting 
about old and outdatedI think I will need a new chair this year also. Dan 
H** 

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 11:09 AM, Robert Vogel  wrote:
 

 Hi Greg,
I am working on an article for New Mobility magazine and specifically working 
on this part of the article—how much doesMedicare pricing reimburse compared to 
Retail price.  I compared the leading Manufacturers—Permobil, Pride (Quantum) 
and for what you are looking for, base, tilt recline, etc. the prices are 
similar.
The one I “created” was based on a person who needed power tilt and power 
recline and power elevating leg rests, also a custom back support. 
Keep in mind this was just information for an article, however I did check and 
re-check on this.  Medicare reimbursement for this this chair came to 
$18,141.00.  Your co-pay would be 20% of $18,141.00, so you are looking at a 
co-pay of around$3,628
Hope this helps.
Bob V

On Mar 3, 2016, at 7:54 AM, wheelch...@aol.com wrote:

19-20 K is an easy guess.    Base price for a simple mobility chair is 6-7k   
Rehab Chairs  10-12KBut you can call a local DME and ask over the phone. Best 
Wishes In a message dated 3/3/2016 9:40:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
g...@eskimo.com writes:
 I know it's a wide rage, but what's a new power chair, tilt, recline, seat 
raise, foot raise, go for now adays?   I need a new one soon and have to pay a 
20% co-pay.   Thanks, Greg



  

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Cost

[Robert Vogel]

Hi Greg,

I am working on an article for New Mobility magazine and specifically working 
on this part of the article—how much does
Medicare pricing reimburse compared to Retail price.  I compared the leading 
Manufacturers—Permobil, Pride (Quantum) 
and for what you are looking for, base, tilt recline, etc. the prices are 
similar.

The one I “created” was based on a person who needed power tilt and power 
recline and power elevating leg rests, also a 
custom back support. 

Keep in mind this was just information for an article, however I did check and 
re-check on this.  Medicare reimbursement for this 
this chair came to $18,141.00.  Your co-pay would be 20% of $18,141.00, so you 
are looking at a co-pay of around
$3,628

Hope this helps.

Bob V

> On Mar 3, 2016, at 7:54 AM, wheelch...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> 19-20 K is an easy guess.Base price for a simple mobility chair is 6-7k   
> Rehab Chairs  10-12K
> But you can call a local DME and ask over the phone.
>  
> Best Wishes
>  
> In a message dated 3/3/2016 9:40:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
> g...@eskimo.com writes:
> I know it's a wide rage, but what's a new power chair, tilt, recline, seat 
> raise, foot raise, go for now adays?
>  
> I need a new one soon and have to pay a 20% co-pay.
>  
> Thanks, Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Cost

[wheelchair]

19-20 K is an easy guess.Base price for a simple  mobility chair is 
6-7k   Rehab Chairs  10-12K
But you can call a local DME and ask over the phone.
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 3/3/2016 9:40:24 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
g...@eskimo.com writes:

I know it's a wide  rage, but what's a new power chair, tilt, recline, seat 
raise, foot raise, go  for now adays?
 
I need a new one soon  and have to pay a 20% co-pay.
 
Thanks,  Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New foldable electric/power wheelchair

[Lori Michaelson]

You are 100% correct and that is why I added all the extra information that
I did. I just forgot to mention the CMS requirement. Thanks for adding all
that extra info. It would never work for me or many of the quads on this
list. I had just never seen a foldable POWER chair and perhaps list members
might know of Paras or others who might benefit for such a chair but,
again, where would one go for repairs?

It is not a very complex piece of equipment so anyone who works on cars or
other motorized vehicles (like my great-nephew) or engineer could make
repairs.

Caveat Emptor!

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:12 PM,  wrote:

> Nice ultra light travel chair for anyone living in a freedom or
> independent living center, with flat dry surfaces. The travel chair is not
> coded for Medicaid or Medicare.(CMS)  This would be a great means of
> transportation for those who are elder, but have issues walking long
> distances.  A means of transportation that is not coded, will not be
> honored for payment via CMS.
> I don't believe this travel chair is rated as a rehab chair, nor do I
> believe this chair can be altered or modified to meet the complex rehab
> chair requirements/ standards. And should the device (travel chair) fail to
> perform or cause injury to its user... who carries the liable insurance on
> this product.
>
> It truly scares me to think of a someone in need of a rehab or complex
> rehab device, would consider the reference to safely transport them from
> point A to point B.  I am sure that I look hard I might find a Quad that
> would find some comfort in using this light travel chair, but I don't see
> it for the greater Quad population.  Also, the manufacture claims that they
> offer a 1 year warranty.  Should that warranty be used, who exactly would
> travel from China to work on the chair?  This is important.
>
> Best Wishes
>
> In a message dated 3/2/2016 2:16:38 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> lorilivin...@gmail.com writes:
>
> Obviously most of us quads need to go through the rehab process and go
> with an OT/PT for a wheelchair evaluation to make sure the power
> wheelchairs and the cushions we use together are right/appropriate for our
> bodies and will last us for many many many years.
>
> But recently when I was looking through some random websites I came across
> the following ADVERTISEMENT of a "new" foldable power chair on the market
> (not a scooter) and this shows how an electric wheelchair really only costs
> around it $2000.
>
> But because so many of us quads* need/require* the rehab power chairs and
> therefore need to go through the whole "process" of obtaining one -
> companies like Permobil, Pride Mobility and Invacare can charge insurance
> companies over $30,000 for our power chairs. Because my only insurance is
> Medicare and I chose the "elevate" option (which is not a Medicare approved
> option) I had a co-pay of $7500 for my Permobil M300 in September of 2011.
> But after receiving my explanation of benefits the cost of my chair was
> $30,000. And those companies are rolling in the dollars big time because of
> this not to mention the cushions we need.
>
> Most everything (or everything) comes right down to money money money
> money.
>
> So just FYI if you have not seen it already:
>
>
> http://www.discovermymobility.com/store/powerwheelchairs/green-transporter/ez-ultra-lite/ob.html?gclid=CM_4ktjnossCFYqPfgodKtcA3A
>
>
> OR:
>
>
> http://www.ezlitecruiser.com/products/ez-lite-cruiser-deluxe-dx12?utm_source=google_medium=shopping_term=ezlitecruiserdx12_content=pla_campaign=0001=CIuYwJHYossCFQeRfgodoVYGKA=4207296836
>
> --
> "Petting, scratching and cuddling a dog could be soothing to the mind and
> heart and deep meditation and almost as good for the soul as prayer." ~Dean
> Koontz
>
>


-- 
"Petting, scratching and cuddling a dog could be soothing to the mind and
heart and deep meditation and almost as good for the soul as prayer." ~Dean
Koontz

Re: [QUAD-L] New foldable electric/power wheelchair

[wheelchair]

Nice ultra light travel chair for anyone living in a freedom or independent 
 living center, with flat dry surfaces. The travel chair is not coded for  
Medicaid or Medicare.(CMS)  This would be a great means of transportation  
for those who are elder, but have issues walking long distances.  A means  of 
transportation that is not coded, will not be honored for payment via  CMS.
I don't believe this travel chair is rated as a rehab chair, nor do I  
believe this chair can be altered or modified to meet the complex rehab chair  
requirements/ standards. And should the device (travel chair) fail to perform 
or  cause injury to its user... who carries the liable insurance on this  
product.
 
It truly scares me to think of a someone in need of a rehab or complex  
rehab device, would consider the reference to safely transport them from point 
A  to point B.  I am sure that I look hard I might find a Quad that would 
find  some comfort in using this light travel chair, but I don't see it for 
the  greater Quad population.  Also, the manufacture claims that they offer a 
1  year warranty.  Should that warranty be used, who exactly would travel 
from  China to work on the chair?  This is important.
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 3/2/2016 2:16:38 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
lorilivin...@gmail.com writes:

 
Obviously most of us quads  need to go through the rehab process and go 
with an OT/PT for a wheelchair  evaluation to make sure the power wheelchairs 
and the cushions we use together  are right/appropriate for our bodies and 
will last us for many many many  years. 


But recently when I was  looking through some random websites I came across 
the following ADVERTISEMENT  of a "new" foldable power chair on the market 
(not a scooter) and this shows  how an electric wheelchair really only costs 
around it $2000. 


But because so many of us  quads need/require the rehab power chairs and 
therefore need to  go through the whole "process" of obtaining one - companies 
like Permobil,  Pride Mobility and Invacare can charge insurance companies 
over $30,000 for  our power chairs. Because my only insurance is Medicare 
and I chose the  "elevate" option (which is not a Medicare approved option) I 
had a co-pay of  $7500 for my Permobil M300 in September of 2011. But after 
receiving my  explanation of benefits the cost of my chair was $30,000. And 
those companies  are rolling in the dollars big time because of this not to 
mention the  cushions we need.


Most everything (or  everything) comes right down to money money money 
money.


So just FYI if you have not  seen it already:


http://www.discovermymobility.com/store/powerwheelchairs/green-transporter/e
z-ultra-lite/ob.html?gclid=CM_4ktjnossCFYqPfgodKtcA3A 



OR:


http://www.ezlitecruiser.com/products/ez-lite-cruiser-deluxe-dx12?utm_source
=google_medium=shopping_term=ezlitecruiserdx12_content=pla_c
ampaign=0001=CIuYwJHYossCFQeRfgodoVYGKA=4207296836



-- 

 
 
"Petting, scratching and cuddling a dog could be soothing to the  mind and 
heart and deep meditation and almost as good for the soul as prayer."  ~Dean 
 Koontz

RE: [QUAD-L] New wheelchair is needed now fast.

[Joan Anglin]

I wish it were that easy for me, I cannot try out a new chair unless it’s 
equipped with chin control or sip and puff and nobody in this area has such an 
animal!  But to be truthful, I really like my Omega Trac and am willing to pay 
for the repairs to it if we cannot repair ourselves.  I bought it over 10 years 
ago from Ebay and it was in Hong Kong.  I had it shipped to Texas and 
electronics installed.  Because I was not approved for disability and had to 
wait until I turned 65 to get insurance I always bought my own chairs and had 
to buy them used because I could not afford a new one.  We bought two other 
omega tracs for parts, and have managed to keep this going.  Before the hour 
meter broke I had 900 hours on the meter and that was four years ago.  I have 
looked at other wheelchairs, primarily Permobile but they do not allow me the 
versatility and safety aspects of the omega trac.  That’s saying that I will 
probably stay with this chair until I die.  J J I should probably get a chair 
in case this one dies permanently, but me thinks I’ll cross that bridge when I 
get to it.  Good luck in finding a chair, and be sure to listen to all the 
excellent advice the others on this forum have.

Joan in Reno and where it is beautiful and 64 today, when snow predicted on 
Sunday and a high of 40.  Wait 5 minutes and the weather will change.

 

From: Danny Espinoza [mailto:da...@immortaldesigns.co] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 10:31 AM
To: 'DAVID LEWIS'; 'Quad-list Post'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New wheelchair is needed now fast.

 

1>You need a prescription from a physical therapist that generally needs 
specific wording that your local chair company will help guide you with 
generally on their first visit.
2>Then your local chair company should come with different types, brands, arm 
rests, seats, seat backs and leg systems for you to try and see which you like. 
My chair company lent me two different chairs for a week to decide between them.
3>After you’ve decided they will give you a quote and work on getting approval 
through your insurance.

4>Once approved the then order, build and deliver it.

 

The chair I got 4 months ago was the Permobil m300 
<http://www.permobilus.com/m300.php>  in which is a mid-wheel chair that I’ve 
been very happy with. The one thing that my insurance didn’t cover that I had 
to pay out of pocket for was the seat elevator.
I hope this helps!

-Danny

 

From: DAVID LEWIS [mailto:curlyle...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 9:31 AM
To: Quad-list Post <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Subject: [QUAD-L] New wheelchair is needed now fast.

 

My old wheelchair has had it. The battery and parts are not working.

Im due for a new one its been a long time.

 

Please tell me the proper steps to get one again. Its been a long time.

Im a quad for over 30 years. I dont need nothing fancy. I just have a quickie 
now.

I cant use those hover rounds i need arm railings.

 Pretty sure i need the Dr ok first. I did that last year from my old dr.

 and got a form saying i got approved ''But '' i have to submitt a complete 
claim

  anyone know what that about? thanks. 

RE: [QUAD-L] New wheelchair is needed now fast.

[Danny Espinoza]

1>You need a prescription from a physical therapist that generally needs 
specific wording that your local chair company will help guide you with 
generally on their first visit.
2>Then your local chair company should come with different types, brands, arm 
rests, seats, seat backs and leg systems for you to try and see which you like. 
My chair company lent me two different chairs for a week to decide between them.
3>After you’ve decided they will give you a quote and work on getting approval 
through your insurance.

4>Once approved the then order, build and deliver it.

 

The chair I got 4 months ago was the Permobil m300 
  in which is a mid-wheel chair that I’ve 
been very happy with. The one thing that my insurance didn’t cover that I had 
to pay out of pocket for was the seat elevator.
I hope this helps!

-Danny

 

From: DAVID LEWIS [mailto:curlyle...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 9:31 AM
To: Quad-list Post 
Subject: [QUAD-L] New wheelchair is needed now fast.

 

My old wheelchair has had it. The battery and parts are not working.

Im due for a new one its been a long time.

 

Please tell me the proper steps to get one again. Its been a long time.

Im a quad for over 30 years. I dont need nothing fancy. I just have a quickie 
now.

I cant use those hover rounds i need arm railings.

 Pretty sure i need the Dr ok first. I did that last year from my old dr.

 and got a form saying i got approved ''But '' i have to submitt a complete 
claim

  anyone know what that about? thanks. 

Re: [QUAD-L] New wheelchair is needed now fast.

[wheelchair]

I have yet to meet an old electric wheelchair that could not be repaired or 
 restored.  My advise it to contact Medicare/Medicaid  (CMS) in your  state 
for the updated procedure of obtaining a new chair.
 
Yes, it begins with a face to face with your doctor.  Hopefully a MD  that 
specializes in Rehab Medicine.
Yes, a face to face with a licensed Occupational Therapist.
Yes, a doctors order for new chair.
Depending on your physical condition, your medical needs and finding a  
manufacturer that can meet those goals, it can take several months.
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 3/2/2016 11:34:36 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
curlyle...@verizon.net writes:

 
My old wheelchair has had it. The  battery and parts are not working.
Im due for a new one its been a long  time.


Please tell me the proper steps to  get one again. Its been a long time.
Im a quad for over 30 years.  I dont need nothing fancy. I just have a 
quickie now.
I cant use those hover rounds  i need arm railings.
 Pretty sure i need the  Dr ok first. I did that last year from my old dr.
 and got a form saying i  got approved ''But '' i have to submitt a 
complete claim
  anyone know what that  about? thanks. 

RE: [QUAD-L] New wound

[Joan Anglin]

Steve

I have been battling a wound in the groin area for nine years now, and have 
just decided to live with it.  Surgery was an option several years ago, but 
because it is in an area that has so many nerves I could not find a surgeon 
that wanted to take the risk.  It will almost close up but then it opens up 
again.  I did do all of the proper things like six months in bed, LOL-that 
wasn’t fun.  The wound vacuum would not adher, so we finally just gave up and I 
go into the wound clinic once a month just to be monitored and get supplies.  
The older I get the more fragile my skin becomes.  So I figure I will take it 
to my grave.  (not my grave as I donated my body to the university medical 
school, so they will get to check it out) my wound does not get any better if I 
stay of my chair, so I am fortunate that I can still stay in the chair for the 
15 hours IM up.  I’m much more comfortable in my chair than in bed.

Joan

 

From: Quad Dude [mailto:thequadd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 9:11 AM
To: diannal...@aol.com
Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound

 

My wound is only stage 2 at worst. I think wound VACs are used on wounds that 
are at least stage 3 or worse. Even though my wound is only stage 2, it just 
won't completely heal. I have discussed the possibility of surgery, i.e. skin 
flap, to repair the affected area, but he thinks any risk of the surgery not 
healing properly outweighs just living with the problem I have now.

 

It gets so old staying out of my chair for extended days at a time, but staying 
in it long-term definitely makes matters worse.

 

Steve - C4, 27 years

 

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:55 AM, <diannal...@aol.com> wrote:

try a wound vac yet?





-Original Message-
From: Quad Dude <thequadd...@gmail.com>
To: Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com>
Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 10:08 am
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound

Bobbie, 

 

My wound Dr. has been treating my wound with Aquacel AG for more than a year 
now. I wish I could say it was the magic bullet that worked for me, but I can't 
and it appears my wound is not nearly as deep as yours. In fact, he just 
recently switched me to a different type of bandage called Endoform dermal 
template which is supposed to help build a framework for new skin to heal the 
wound. So far, it hasn't done much better. Keep in mind that this is in spite 
of spending lots of time out of my chair and doing frequent pressure relief 
when I am in the chair. It's very frustrating…

 

Steve - C4, 27 years

 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com> wrote:

I got a new wound, over night.
Bamb! Just like that.
It's the size of a nickel and the depth in a female thumb deep.

My wound Doc is packing it with Aquacel AG
Has anybody ever used this stuff?

It has silver in it. It's about 1/4" wide and comes in a roll and you cut as 
much as you need.

I found spray normal saline to clean the wound.

I'm going to get a alternating pressure mattress topper for my bed. I want 4" 
or more.
Anybody know of a good one?

Help! I need you guys on this one.
Bobbie

Smile Everyday

 

 

Re: [QUAD-L] New wound

[Eric Olson]

I've used vetericyn hydrogel on some superficial stuff.  Don't know if 
it would work on a deeper would.  Certainly cheap enough to try soaking 
a sterile gauze with it and do wet to dry technique.  I've been using a 
memory foam mattress for years.


On 1/7/2016 9:19 PM, Gmail wrote:

I got a new wound, over night.
Bamb! Just like that.
It's the size of a nickel and the depth in a female thumb deep.

My wound Doc is packing it with Aquacel AG
Has anybody ever used this stuff?

It has silver in it. It's about 1/4" wide and comes in a roll and you cut as 
much as you need.

I found spray normal saline to clean the wound.

I'm going to get a alternating pressure mattress topper for my bed. I want 4" 
or more.
Anybody know of a good one?

Help! I need you guys on this one.
Bobbie

Smile Everyday




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Re: [QUAD-L] New wound

[alcibiates2]

Here's what I know about treating small wounds. Start by treating with Dakin's 
solution, you can make it yourself. It consists of 21 parts sterile water one 
part Clorox bleach and a pinch of baking soda. This is much cheaper than buying 
it and it is the actual solution. Since you already have aQUACEL, be sure that 
they just lay it in the world and not pack the wound. It should be very fluffy 
and not tightly packed. Over packing wounds delays healing and often causes 
more damage. Cover the wound and try to stay off it as much as possible.
True Dakin's solution is 7 parts water to one part bleach with a pinch of 
baking soda. This is often too strong to be used at home. Medicaid won't cover 
it because it is easy to make.Best Wishes, John s. 

 Original message 
From: diannal...@aol.com 
Date: 01/08/2016  1:45 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: thequadd...@gmail.com, quad-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound 

forgot to mention, they were using dankins solution to pack my wound and 
anacept. both fought infection and smelled like bleach. the anacept was used 
because my body couldn't tolerate the dankns very expensive and not covered by 
medicaid.
dianna






-Original Message-

From: Quad Dude <thequadd...@gmail.com>

To: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>

Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com <quad-list@eskimo.com>

Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 12:11 pm

Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound










My wound is only stage 2 at worst. I think wound VACs are used on wounds that 
are at least stage 3 or worse. Even though my wound is only stage 2, it just 
won't completely heal. I have discussed the possibility of surgery, i.e. skin 
flap, to repair the affected area, but he thinks any risk of the surgery not 
healing properly outweighs just living with the problem I have now.




It gets so old staying out of my chair for extended days at a time, but staying 
in it long-term definitely makes matters worse.





Steve - C4, 27 years





On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:55 AM,  <diannal...@aol.com> wrote:

try a wound vac yet?












-Original Message-


From: Quad Dude <thequadd...@gmail.com>


To: Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com>


Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com <quad-list@eskimo.com>


Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 10:08 am


Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound















Bobbie,








My wound Dr. has been treating my wound with Aquacel AG for more than a year 
now. I wish I could say it was the magic bullet that worked for me, but I can't 
and it appears my wound is not nearly as deep as yours. In fact, he just 
recently switched me to a different type of bandage called Endoform dermal 
template which is supposed to help build a framework for new skin to heal the 
wound. So far, it hasn't done much better. Keep in mind that this is in spite 
of spending lots of time out of my chair and doing frequent pressure relief 
when I am in the chair. It's very frustrating…










Steve - C4, 27 years










On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com> wrote:


I got a new wound, over night.



Bamb! Just like that.



It's the size of a nickel and the depth in a female thumb deep.







My wound Doc is packing it with Aquacel AG



Has anybody ever used this stuff?







It has silver in it. It's about 1/4" wide and comes in a roll and you cut as 
much as you need.







I found spray normal saline to clean the wound.







I'm going to get a alternating pressure mattress topper for my bed. I want 4" 
or more.



Anybody know of a good one?







Help! I need you guys on this one.



Bobbie







Smile Everyday

Re: [QUAD-L] New wound

[diannal767]

forgot to mention, they were using dankins solution to pack my wound and 
anacept. both fought infection and smelled like bleach. the anacept was used 
because my body couldn't tolerate the dankns very expensive and not covered by 
medicaid.
dianna



-Original Message-
From: Quad Dude <thequadd...@gmail.com>
To: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>
Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound



My wound is only stage 2 at worst. I think wound VACs are used on wounds that 
are at least stage 3 or worse. Even though my wound is only stage 2, it just 
won't completely heal. I have discussed the possibility of surgery, i.e. skin 
flap, to repair the affected area, but he thinks any risk of the surgery not 
healing properly outweighs just living with the problem I have now.


It gets so old staying out of my chair for extended days at a time, but staying 
in it long-term definitely makes matters worse.


Steve - C4, 27 years



On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:55 AM,  <diannal...@aol.com> wrote:

try a wound vac yet?




-Original Message-
From: Quad Dude <thequadd...@gmail.com>
To: Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com>
Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 10:08 am
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound



Bobbie,


My wound Dr. has been treating my wound with Aquacel AG for more than a year 
now. I wish I could say it was the magic bullet that worked for me, but I can't 
and it appears my wound is not nearly as deep as yours. In fact, he just 
recently switched me to a different type of bandage called Endoform dermal 
template which is supposed to help build a framework for new skin to heal the 
wound. So far, it hasn't done much better. Keep in mind that this is in spite 
of spending lots of time out of my chair and doing frequent pressure relief 
when I am in the chair. It's very frustrating…


Steve - C4, 27 years



On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com> wrote:

I got a new wound, over night.
Bamb! Just like that.
It's the size of a nickel and the depth in a female thumb deep.

My wound Doc is packing it with Aquacel AG
Has anybody ever used this stuff?

It has silver in it. It's about 1/4" wide and comes in a roll and you cut as 
much as you need.

I found spray normal saline to clean the wound.

I'm going to get a alternating pressure mattress topper for my bed. I want 4" 
or more.
Anybody know of a good one?

Help! I need you guys on this one.
Bobbie

Smile Everyday

RE: [QUAD-L] New wound

[Joan Anglin]

We have used Aquacel AG for years and it is fantastic.  Good luck with your
wound, that is so frustrating.  Our skin just keeps getting more fragile as
we get older.  I ended up buying a miracle foam mattress four years ago from
Amazon, and no new breakdowns since.  I do not get turned at night, so I am
in the same position for 9 hours, so yes I am very happy with the mattress.
Joan

-Original Message-
From: Gmail [mailto:bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 7:20 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New wound

I got a new wound, over night.
Bamb! Just like that.
It's the size of a nickel and the depth in a female thumb deep.

My wound Doc is packing it with Aquacel AG Has anybody ever used this stuff?

It has silver in it. It's about 1/4" wide and comes in a roll and you cut as
much as you need.

I found spray normal saline to clean the wound.

I'm going to get a alternating pressure mattress topper for my bed. I want
4" or more.
Anybody know of a good one?

Help! I need you guys on this one.
Bobbie 

Smile Everyday

Re: [QUAD-L] New wound

[Cviewer62]

Bobbie, Where is your wound? Have you had a pressure sore in the same spot  
before? I had a pressure wound on my butt and was in bed for 6 months, 
before it  healed.  I don't want another. I sit on a Roho all the time and try 
to  sleep on one side or the other. Do you have your skin checked often? Keep 
us  posted of your condition. Thanks, Rose
 
 
In a message dated 1/7/2016 10:20:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com writes:

I got a  new wound, over night.
Bamb! Just like that.
It's the size of a nickel  and the depth in a female thumb deep.

My wound Doc is packing it with  Aquacel AG
Has anybody ever used this stuff?

It has silver in it.  It's about 1/4" wide and comes in a roll and you cut 
as much as you  need.

I found spray normal saline to clean the wound.

I'm going  to get a alternating pressure mattress topper for my bed. I want 
4" or  more.
Anybody know of a good one?

Help! I need you guys on this  one.
Bobbie 

Smile  Everyday

Re: [QUAD-L] New wound

[diannal767]

i had/have a stage 4 since aug. was hooked to the vac. it started as small as 
the size of a pencil.got infected, went for surgery to have the wound cleaned 
out, came home with a crater, 4 in by 4 inches, 3/4 in deep. vac didn't help, 
got a bone infection. went back in to surgery the 23rd for plastic surgery, 
bone cut out. came out ofsurgery with skin flap and 40 staples up to my knee on 
the back of my leg. staples and stitches are coming out wednesday...6 weeks 
bedrest. then hopefully all this will be over. before surgery they also 
suggested  oxygen chamber treatments. i think that may help with small wounds. 
i was exhausted trying to get it healed, the spongy dead piece of bone had to 
come out anyway, so they closed it.
dianna


My wound is only stage 2 at worst. I think wound VACs are used on wounds that 
are at least stage 3 or worse. Even though my wound is only stage 2, it just 
won't completely heal. I have discussed the possibility of surgery, i.e. skin 
flap, to repair the affected area, but he thinks any risk of the surgery not 
healing properly outweighs just living with the problem I have now.


It gets so old staying out of my chair for extended days at a time, but staying 
in it long-term definitely makes matters worse.


Steve - C4, 27 years



On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:55 AM,  <diannal...@aol.com> wrote:

try a wound vac yet?






-Original Message-
From: Quad Dude <thequadd...@gmail.com>
To: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>
Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound



My wound is only stage 2 at worst. I think wound VACs are used on wounds that 
are at least stage 3 or worse. Even though my wound is only stage 2, it just 
won't completely heal. I have discussed the possibility of surgery, i.e. skin 
flap, to repair the affected area, but he thinks any risk of the surgery not 
healing properly outweighs just living with the problem I have now.


It gets so old staying out of my chair for extended days at a time, but staying 
in it long-term definitely makes matters worse.


Steve - C4, 27 years



On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:55 AM,  <diannal...@aol.com> wrote:

try a wound vac yet?




-Original Message-
From: Quad Dude <thequadd...@gmail.com>
To: Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com>
Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 10:08 am
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound



Bobbie,


My wound Dr. has been treating my wound with Aquacel AG for more than a year 
now. I wish I could say it was the magic bullet that worked for me, but I can't 
and it appears my wound is not nearly as deep as yours. In fact, he just 
recently switched me to a different type of bandage called Endoform dermal 
template which is supposed to help build a framework for new skin to heal the 
wound. So far, it hasn't done much better. Keep in mind that this is in spite 
of spending lots of time out of my chair and doing frequent pressure relief 
when I am in the chair. It's very frustrating…


Steve - C4, 27 years



On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com> wrote:

I got a new wound, over night.
Bamb! Just like that.
It's the size of a nickel and the depth in a female thumb deep.

My wound Doc is packing it with Aquacel AG
Has anybody ever used this stuff?

It has silver in it. It's about 1/4" wide and comes in a roll and you cut as 
much as you need.

I found spray normal saline to clean the wound.

I'm going to get a alternating pressure mattress topper for my bed. I want 4" 
or more.
Anybody know of a good one?

Help! I need you guys on this one.
Bobbie

Smile Everyday

Re: [QUAD-L] New wound

[diannal767]

healing. going home thursday


No, they didn't put me on one.
Bobbie 
How are you doing?





-Original Message-
From: Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com>
To: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound



No, they didn't put me on one.
Bobbie 
How are you doing?


Smile Everyday

On Jan 8, 2016, at 11:55 AM, diannal...@aol.com wrote:



try a wound vac yet?



-Original Message-
From: Quad Dude <thequadd...@gmail.com>
To: Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com>
Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 10:08 am
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound



Bobbie,


My wound Dr. has been treating my wound with Aquacel AG for more than a year 
now. I wish I could say it was the magic bullet that worked for me, but I can't 
and it appears my wound is not nearly as deep as yours. In fact, he just 
recently switched me to a different type of bandage called Endoform dermal 
template which is supposed to help build a framework for new skin to heal the 
wound. So far, it hasn't done much better. Keep in mind that this is in spite 
of spending lots of time out of my chair and doing frequent pressure relief 
when I am in the chair. It's very frustrating…


Steve - C4, 27 years



On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com> wrote:

I got a new wound, over night.
Bamb! Just like that.
It's the size of a nickel and the depth in a female thumb deep.

My wound Doc is packing it with Aquacel AG
Has anybody ever used this stuff?

It has silver in it. It's about 1/4" wide and comes in a roll and you cut as 
much as you need.

I found spray normal saline to clean the wound.

I'm going to get a alternating pressure mattress topper for my bed. I want 4" 
or more.
Anybody know of a good one?

Help! I need you guys on this one.
Bobbie

Smile Everyday

Re: [QUAD-L] New wound

[diannal767]

it isn't proven but is covered by medicaid. i just didn't want to invest time.


I asked about the oxygen chamber.
They said "...it hasn't been proven."


I think my insurance won't pay.


Bobbie 





-Original Message-
From: Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com>
To: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound



I asked about the oxygen chamber.
They said "...it hasn't been proven."


I think my insurance won't pay.


Bobbie 

Smile Everyday

On Jan 8, 2016, at 1:33 PM, diannal...@aol.com wrote:



i had/have a stage 4 since aug. was hooked to the vac. it started as small as 
the size of a pencil.got infected, went for surgery to have the wound cleaned 
out, came home with a crater, 4 in by 4 inches, 3/4 in deep. vac didn't help, 
got a bone infection. went back in to surgery the 23rd for plastic surgery, 
bone cut out. came out ofsurgery with skin flap and 40 staples up to my knee on 
the back of my leg. staples and stitches are coming out wednesday...6 weeks 
bedrest. then hopefully all this will be over. before surgery they also 
suggested  oxygen chamber treatments. i think that may help with small wounds. 
i was exhausted trying to get it healed, the spongy dead piece of bone had to 
come out anyway, so they closed it.
dianna


My wound is only stage 2 at worst. I think wound VACs are used on wounds that 
are at least stage 3 or worse. Even though my wound is only stage 2, it just 
won't completely heal. I have discussed the possibility of surgery, i.e. skin 
flap, to repair the affected area, but he thinks any risk of the surgery not 
healing properly outweighs just living with the problem I have now.


It gets so old staying out of my chair for extended days at a time, but staying 
in it long-term definitely makes matters worse.


Steve - C4, 27 years



On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:55 AM,  <diannal...@aol.com> wrote:

try a wound vac yet?






-Original Message-
From: Quad Dude <thequadd...@gmail.com>
To: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>
Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound



My wound is only stage 2 at worst. I think wound VACs are used on wounds that 
are at least stage 3 or worse. Even though my wound is only stage 2, it just 
won't completely heal. I have discussed the possibility of surgery, i.e. skin 
flap, to repair the affected area, but he thinks any risk of the surgery not 
healing properly outweighs just living with the problem I have now.


It gets so old staying out of my chair for extended days at a time, but staying 
in it long-term definitely makes matters worse.


Steve - C4, 27 years



On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:55 AM,  <diannal...@aol.com> wrote:

try a wound vac yet?




-Original Message-
From: Quad Dude <thequadd...@gmail.com>
To: Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com>
Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 10:08 am
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound



Bobbie,


My wound Dr. has been treating my wound with Aquacel AG for more than a year 
now. I wish I could say it was the magic bullet that worked for me, but I can't 
and it appears my wound is not nearly as deep as yours. In fact, he just 
recently switched me to a different type of bandage called Endoform dermal 
template which is supposed to help build a framework for new skin to heal the 
wound. So far, it hasn't done much better. Keep in mind that this is in spite 
of spending lots of time out of my chair and doing frequent pressure relief 
when I am in the chair. It's very frustrating…


Steve - C4, 27 years



On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com> wrote:

I got a new wound, over night.
Bamb! Just like that.
It's the size of a nickel and the depth in a female thumb deep.

My wound Doc is packing it with Aquacel AG
Has anybody ever used this stuff?

It has silver in it. It's about 1/4" wide and comes in a roll and you cut as 
much as you need.

I found spray normal saline to clean the wound.

I'm going to get a alternating pressure mattress topper for my bed. I want 4" 
or more.
Anybody know of a good one?

Help! I need you guys on this one.
Bobbie

Smile Everyday

Re: [QUAD-L] New wound

[diannal767]

it is the anacet not covered. 75 bucks per tube. don't know ounces...not home 
yet.

Here's what I know about treating small wounds. Start by treating with Dakin's 
solution, you can make it yourself. It consists of 21 parts sterile water one 
part Clorox bleach and a pinch of baking soda. This is much cheaper than buying 
it and it is the actual solution. Since you already have aQUACEL, be sure that 
they just lay it in the world and not pack the wound. It should be very fluffy 
and not tightly packed. Over packing wounds delays healing and often causes 
more damage. Cover the wound and try to stay off it as much as possible.


True Dakin's solution is 7 parts water to one part bleach with a pinch of 
baking soda. This is often too strong to be used at home. Medicaid won't cover 
it because it is easy to make.
Best Wishes, 
John s. 





-Original Message-
From: alcibiates2 <alcibiat...@yahoo.com>
To: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>; thequaddude <thequadd...@gmail.com>; 
quad-list <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound


Here's what I know about treating small wounds. Start by treating with Dakin's 
solution, you can make it yourself. It consists of 21 parts sterile water one 
part Clorox bleach and a pinch of baking soda. This is much cheaper than buying 
it and it is the actual solution. Since you already have aQUACEL, be sure that 
they just lay it in the world and not pack the wound. It should be very fluffy 
and not tightly packed. Over packing wounds delays healing and often causes 
more damage. Cover the wound and try to stay off it as much as possible.


True Dakin's solution is 7 parts water to one part bleach with a pinch of 
baking soda. This is often too strong to be used at home. Medicaid won't cover 
it because it is easy to make.
Best Wishes, 
John s. 


 Original message 
From: diannal...@aol.com 
Date: 01/08/2016  1:45 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: thequadd...@gmail.com, quad-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound 

forgot to mention, they were using dankins solution to pack my wound and 
anacept. both fought infection and smelled like bleach. the anacept was used 
because my body couldn't tolerate the dankns very expensive and not covered by 
medicaid.
dianna



-Original Message-
From: Quad Dude <thequadd...@gmail.com>
To: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>
Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound



My wound is only stage 2 at worst. I think wound VACs are used on wounds that 
are at least stage 3 or worse. Even though my wound is only stage 2, it just 
won't completely heal. I have discussed the possibility of surgery, i.e. skin 
flap, to repair the affected area, but he thinks any risk of the surgery not 
healing properly outweighs just living with the problem I have now.


It gets so old staying out of my chair for extended days at a time, but staying 
in it long-term definitely makes matters worse.


Steve - C4, 27 years



On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:55 AM,  <diannal...@aol.com> wrote:

try a wound vac yet?




-Original Message-
From: Quad Dude <thequadd...@gmail.com>
To: Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com>
Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 10:08 am
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound



Bobbie,


My wound Dr. has been treating my wound with Aquacel AG for more than a year 
now. I wish I could say it was the magic bullet that worked for me, but I can't 
and it appears my wound is not nearly as deep as yours. In fact, he just 
recently switched me to a different type of bandage called Endoform dermal 
template which is supposed to help build a framework for new skin to heal the 
wound. So far, it hasn't done much better. Keep in mind that this is in spite 
of spending lots of time out of my chair and doing frequent pressure relief 
when I am in the chair. It's very frustrating…


Steve - C4, 27 years



On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com> wrote:

I got a new wound, over night.
Bamb! Just like that.
It's the size of a nickel and the depth in a female thumb deep.

My wound Doc is packing it with Aquacel AG
Has anybody ever used this stuff?

It has silver in it. It's about 1/4" wide and comes in a roll and you cut as 
much as you need.

I found spray normal saline to clean the wound.

I'm going to get a alternating pressure mattress topper for my bed. I want 4" 
or more.
Anybody know of a good one?

Help! I need you guys on this one.
Bobbie

Smile Everyday

Re: [QUAD-L] New wound

[Quad Dude]

Bobbie,

My wound Dr. has been treating my wound with Aquacel AG for more than a
year now. I wish I could say it was the magic bullet that worked for me,
but I can't and it appears my wound is not nearly as deep as yours. In
fact, he just recently switched me to a different type of bandage called
Endoform dermal template which is supposed to help build a framework for
new skin to heal the wound. So far, it hasn't done much better. Keep in
mind that this is in spite of spending lots of time out of my chair and
doing frequent pressure relief when I am in the chair. It's very
frustrating…

Steve - C4, 27 years

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Gmail  wrote:

> I got a new wound, over night.
> Bamb! Just like that.
> It's the size of a nickel and the depth in a female thumb deep.
>
> My wound Doc is packing it with Aquacel AG
> Has anybody ever used this stuff?
>
> It has silver in it. It's about 1/4" wide and comes in a roll and you cut
> as much as you need.
>
> I found spray normal saline to clean the wound.
>
> I'm going to get a alternating pressure mattress topper for my bed. I want
> 4" or more.
> Anybody know of a good one?
>
> Help! I need you guys on this one.
> Bobbie
>
> Smile Everyday
>

Re: [QUAD-L] New wound

[Fragile]

Very sorry to hear that Bobbie.  I have an Invacare alternating
pressure/low air loss mattress.  It works very well as far as pressure
relief, but the pump is kind of loud.  So, I disable the alternating
pressure part and just use Low air loss.  Prior to this one I had one
called the Genesis Deluxe 8-inch Alternating Pressure and Low Air Loss
Mattress System, it was quieter, but only lasted about 2 years.

On 1/7/16, Gmail  wrote:
> I got a new wound, over night.
> Bamb! Just like that.
> It's the size of a nickel and the depth in a female thumb deep.
>
> My wound Doc is packing it with Aquacel AG
> Has anybody ever used this stuff?
>
> It has silver in it. It's about 1/4" wide and comes in a roll and you cut as
> much as you need.
>
> I found spray normal saline to clean the wound.
>
> I'm going to get a alternating pressure mattress topper for my bed. I want
> 4" or more.
> Anybody know of a good one?
>
> Help! I need you guys on this one.
> Bobbie
>
> Smile Everyday
>

Re: [QUAD-L] New wound

[diannal767]

try a wound vac yet?



-Original Message-
From: Quad Dude <thequadd...@gmail.com>
To: Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com>
Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 10:08 am
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound



Bobbie,


My wound Dr. has been treating my wound with Aquacel AG for more than a year 
now. I wish I could say it was the magic bullet that worked for me, but I can't 
and it appears my wound is not nearly as deep as yours. In fact, he just 
recently switched me to a different type of bandage called Endoform dermal 
template which is supposed to help build a framework for new skin to heal the 
wound. So far, it hasn't done much better. Keep in mind that this is in spite 
of spending lots of time out of my chair and doing frequent pressure relief 
when I am in the chair. It's very frustrating…


Steve - C4, 27 years



On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com> wrote:

I got a new wound, over night.
Bamb! Just like that.
It's the size of a nickel and the depth in a female thumb deep.

My wound Doc is packing it with Aquacel AG
Has anybody ever used this stuff?

It has silver in it. It's about 1/4" wide and comes in a roll and you cut as 
much as you need.

I found spray normal saline to clean the wound.

I'm going to get a alternating pressure mattress topper for my bed. I want 4" 
or more.
Anybody know of a good one?

Help! I need you guys on this one.
Bobbie

Smile Everyday

Re: [QUAD-L] New wound

[Quad Dude]

My wound is only stage 2 at worst. I think wound VACs are used on wounds
that are at least stage 3 or worse. Even though my wound is only stage 2,
it just won't completely heal. I have discussed the possibility of surgery,
i.e. skin flap, to repair the affected area, but he thinks any risk of the
surgery not healing properly outweighs just living with the problem I have
now.

It gets so old staying out of my chair for extended days at a time, but
staying in it long-term definitely makes matters worse.

Steve - C4, 27 years

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:55 AM, <diannal...@aol.com> wrote:

> try a wound vac yet?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Quad Dude <thequadd...@gmail.com>
> To: Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com>
> Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com <quad-list@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 10:08 am
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New wound
>
> Bobbie,
>
> My wound Dr. has been treating my wound with Aquacel AG for more than a
> year now. I wish I could say it was the magic bullet that worked for me,
> but I can't and it appears my wound is not nearly as deep as yours. In
> fact, he just recently switched me to a different type of bandage called
> Endoform dermal template which is supposed to help build a framework for
> new skin to heal the wound. So far, it hasn't done much better. Keep in
> mind that this is in spite of spending lots of time out of my chair and
> doing frequent pressure relief when I am in the chair. It's very
> frustrating…
>
> Steve - C4, 27 years
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Gmail <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I got a new wound, over night.
>> Bamb! Just like that.
>> It's the size of a nickel and the depth in a female thumb deep.
>>
>> My wound Doc is packing it with Aquacel AG
>> Has anybody ever used this stuff?
>>
>> It has silver in it. It's about 1/4" wide and comes in a roll and you cut
>> as much as you need.
>>
>> I found spray normal saline to clean the wound.
>>
>> I'm going to get a alternating pressure mattress topper for my bed. I
>> want 4" or more.
>> Anybody know of a good one?
>>
>> Help! I need you guys on this one.
>> Bobbie
>>
>> Smile Everyday
>>
>
>

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[Fragile]

I had a varalight on my previous chair, really miss it.

On 10/11/15, shirley bell <sbell...@cox.net> wrote:
> Hi all, I am going for a new chair and seating system to sit better. I have
> been looking at the utube video on the Java ride design cushion and back and
> it looks great. They seem to know what they are doing. I am in RI however.
> has anyone used this product and are the other jayback or varalight products
> as good? I Don't need the custom cushion. any thoughts? my posture is bad
> and uncomfortable and these rohos don't support.
> Kind regards,
> Shirley Bell
>
> www.ShirleyBellDesigns.com
>   - Original Message -
>   From: diannal...@aol.com
>   To: wheel...@centurylink.net ; quad-list@eskimo.com
>   Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:02 PM
>   Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair
>
>
>   my wheelchair rep came out today and changed the back on my chair. i'm so
> happy, feels great. it's not a jay3 but a veralite icon air back. it also
> has little lateral support. the other had way too much.  she was familiar
> with the jay3 website you showed me but my computer was malfunctioning and I
> couldn't get aol up running to get to your links for you tube but i'm going
> to send them to her later. thank you sooo much for feedback. she's also
> coming back out to change my legs/foot rests as they are still too long
> after changing the back.
>   dianna
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Derrick <wheel...@centurylink.net>
>   To: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>
>   Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm
>   Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair
>
>
>   i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my
> notes, links, reviews of them? it's in word doc.
>
>   maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to
> chair better
>   check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back
> issue" scoliosis "
>   follow link, then click on "documents, images,videos"
> http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media
>
>   other backs with videos ..
>
>
>   https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back Care
>   JAVA Back
>   http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
>   https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
>   Java back fitting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ
>
>   my buddy just got jay3 back. he really like it.
>   derrick
>
>   On 6/30/2015 10:24 AM, diannal...@aol.com wrote:
>
> my wheelchair rep has been back and says she'll be back with a different
> back. and back until i'm comfortable with my chair. but it's just so far off
> her "measurements", i don't think this is right. i guess i'll be finding
> out. it's only my 2nd chair through medicaid in 25 yrs. but now, 25 yrs
> later, scoliosis has developed from not sitting correctly and i'm finding
> these chairs very uncomfortable. just venting because i think i'm going to
> be stuck with something i don't like. to get the back close to right, the
> legs are too long, etc. it is however my first recline, i had hoped a
> smoother transfer of chairs.
> dianna
>
>   I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO
> and not sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need.
> Remember that providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must
> comply with insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the
> manufacturer via the internet.  You can try out anything you want.
> Manufacture Reps are more than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise
> others will.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wheelchair <wheelch...@aol.com>
> To: wheelsdw <wheel...@centurylink.net>; quad-list
> <quad-list@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 10:11 pm
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair
>
>
> I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO
> and not sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need.
> Remember that providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must
> comply with insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the
> manufacturer via the internet.  You can try out anything you want.
> Manufacture Reps are more than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise
> others will.
>
> Best Wishe
>
> In a message dated 6/29/2015 1:23:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> wheel...@centurylink.net writes:
>   All companies the same. They do not give a crap about fitting the best
>
>   chair. They should not get away with this.
>   Until you find a company that really c

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

Ask Wally, aka Wheelchair.
dianna


I had a varalight on my previous chair, really miss it.

On 10/11/15, shirley
bell <sbell...@cox.net> wrote:
> Hi all, I am going for a new chair and seating
system to sit better. I have
> been looking at the utube video on the Java ride
design cushion and back and
> it looks great. They seem to know what they are
doing. I am in RI however.
> has anyone used this product and are the other
jayback or varalight products
> as good? I Don't need the custom cushion. any
thoughts? my posture is bad
> and uncomfortable and these rohos don't
support.
> Kind regards,
> Shirley Bell





-Original Message-
From: Fragile <swl...@gmail.com>
To: shirley bell <sbell...@cox.net>
Cc: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>; quad-list <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 12, 2015 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


I had a varalight on my previous chair, really miss it.

On 10/11/15, shirley
bell <sbell...@cox.net> wrote:
> Hi all, I am going for a new chair and seating
system to sit better. I have
> been looking at the utube video on the Java ride
design cushion and back and
> it looks great. They seem to know what they are
doing. I am in RI however.
> has anyone used this product and are the other
jayback or varalight products
> as good? I Don't need the custom cushion. any
thoughts? my posture is bad
> and uncomfortable and these rohos don't
support.
> Kind regards,
> Shirley Bell
>
> www.ShirleyBellDesigns.com
>  
- Original Message -
>   From: diannal...@aol.com
>   To:
wheel...@centurylink.net ; quad-list@eskimo.com
>   Sent: Thursday, July 02,
2015 9:02 PM
>   Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair
>
>
>   my wheelchair rep
came out today and changed the back on my chair. i'm so
> happy, feels great.
it's not a jay3 but a veralite icon air back. it also
> has little lateral
support. the other had way too much.  she was familiar
> with the jay3 website
you showed me but my computer was malfunctioning and I
> couldn't get aol up
running to get to your links for you tube but i'm going
> to send them to her
later. thank you sooo much for feedback. she's also
> coming back out to change
my legs/foot rests as they are still too long
> after changing the back.
>  
dianna
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Derrick
<wheel...@centurylink.net>
>   To: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>
>   Sent:
Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm
>   Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair
>
>
>   i;ve
been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my
> notes, links,
reviews of them? it's in word doc.
>
>   maybe u can get another adjustable
back and/or cushion to help fit u to
> chair better
>   check out the Jay3
back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back
> issue" scoliosis "
>
follow link, then click on "documents, images,videos"
>
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media
>
> 
other backs with videos ..
>
>
>  
https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back Care
>   JAVA
Back
>   http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
>  
https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
>   Java back fitting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ
>
>   my buddy just got jay3 back.
he really like it.
>   derrick
>
>   On 6/30/2015 10:24 AM,
diannal...@aol.com wrote:
>
> my wheelchair rep has been back and says
she'll be back with a different
> back. and back until i'm comfortable with my
chair. but it's just so far off
> her "measurements", i don't think this is
right. i guess i'll be finding
> out. it's only my 2nd chair through medicaid
in 25 yrs. but now, 25 yrs
> later, scoliosis has developed from not sitting
correctly and i'm finding
> these chairs very uncomfortable. just venting
because i think i'm going to
> be stuck with something i don't like. to get the
back close to right, the
> legs are too long, etc. it is however my first
recline, i had hoped a
> smoother transfer of chairs.
> dianna
>
>  
I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO
> and
not sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need.
> Remember
that providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must
> comply
with insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the
>
manufacturer via the internet.  You can try out anything you want.
>
Manufacture Reps are more than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise
>
others will.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From:
wheelchair <wheelch...@aol.com>
> To: wheelsdw <wheel...@centurylink.net>;
quad-list
> <quad-list@eskimo.com>
>

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[shirley bell]

Hi all, I am going for a new chair and seating system to sit better. I have 
been looking at the utube video on the Java ride design cushion and back and it 
looks great. They seem to know what they are doing. I am in RI however. has 
anyone used this product and are the other jayback or varalight products as 
good? I Don't need the custom cushion. any thoughts? my posture is bad and 
uncomfortable and these rohos don't support. 
Kind regards,
Shirley Bell

www.ShirleyBellDesigns.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: diannal...@aol.com 
  To: wheel...@centurylink.net ; quad-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


  my wheelchair rep came out today and changed the back on my chair. i'm so 
happy, feels great. it's not a jay3 but a veralite icon air back. it also has 
little lateral support. the other had way too much.  she was familiar with the 
jay3 website you showed me but my computer was malfunctioning and I couldn't 
get aol up running to get to your links for you tube but i'm going to send them 
to her later. thank you sooo much for feedback. she's also coming back out to 
change my legs/foot rests as they are still too long after changing the back.
  dianna

  -Original Message-
  From: Derrick <wheel...@centurylink.net>
  To: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>
  Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm
  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


  i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my notes, 
links, reviews of them? it's in word doc. 

  maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to chair 
better 
  check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue" scoliosis "
  follow link, then click on "documents, images,videos" 
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media 

  other backs with videos ..


  https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back Care
  JAVA Back
  http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
  https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
  Java back fitting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ

  my buddy just got jay3 back. he really like it. 
  derrick 

  On 6/30/2015 10:24 AM, diannal...@aol.com wrote: 

my wheelchair rep has been back and says she'll be back with a different 
back. and back until i'm comfortable with my chair. but it's just so far off 
her "measurements", i don't think this is right. i guess i'll be finding out. 
it's only my 2nd chair through medicaid in 25 yrs. but now, 25 yrs later, 
scoliosis has developed from not sitting correctly and i'm finding these chairs 
very uncomfortable. just venting because i think i'm going to be stuck with 
something i don't like. to get the back close to right, the legs are too long, 
etc. it is however my first recline, i had hoped a smoother transfer of chairs. 
dianna 

  I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO 
and not sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. 
Remember that providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must 
comply with insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the 
manufacturer via the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture 
Reps are more than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will. 




-Original Message- 
From: wheelchair <wheelch...@aol.com> 
To: wheelsdw <wheel...@centurylink.net>; quad-list <quad-list@eskimo.com> 
    Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 10:11 pm 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 


I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and 
not sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember 
that providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will. 
 
Best Wishe 
 
In a message dated 6/29/2015 1:23:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
wheel...@centurylink.net writes: 
  All companies the same. They do not give a crap about fitting the best 
  chair. They should not get away with this.
  Until you find a company that really cares and takes the time to 
  evaluate you, You have to really spend the time to research your self. 
  Then ask for a demo to try for a few weeks. Read reviews, ask other 
  users and give it time to adjust for the change. A new different chair 
  takes time to adjust to.

  I do not think wheelchair manufactures and DME dealers consider people 
  sitting in wheelchairs for 12 hours a day. They should spend the time in 
  customers shoes and ride around town and into stores to see what its like.

  DME are sparse in ru

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[sjg1073gar]

does anyone know where i can find the ''telestik with velcro strap''
Steve C,6,7
 
In a message dated 7/7/2015 12:57:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
diannal...@aol.com writes:

yes, bobbie sent me a video where her chair  comes with a power 
headrest.(same chair) the rep said it wasn't available nor  a medical 
necessity. that 
medicaid wouldn't permit it. i proceeded to tell her  i couldn't unbolt it. 
it's a cosmetic issue, but sometimes it would be nice to  take it off. or 
should i say, hit a button to put it down. it falls in the  category of a para 
not wanting a power chair. but NONE of the options were  discussed with me 
except lateral support that HAD to be changed.  yes,  derrick did a lot of 
research, it really isn't our responsibilitythey  should know but we're 
the ones getting the chairs. in all respect, my rep said  she'd come out until 
it's right.  
dianna (still need shorter legs or foot rests on mine. using dish towels  
to get my legs higher...not cool)

Well I  don't really doubt what dianna said because wheelchair companies 
are  supposed to know when a person in your shape needs and work your 
insurance  company will pay for it shouldn't be our job to know what we need I 
mean 
we  wouldn't even know if our chairs could have certain things done to  them




-Original  Message-
From: john owens <jrowen...@yahoo.com>
To: diannal767  <diannal...@aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2015 12:56 pm
Subject: Re:  [QUAD-L] new chair


 
 
Well I don't really doubt what dianna  said because wheelchair companies 
are supposed to know when a person in your  shape needs and work your 
insurance company will pay for it shouldn't be our  job to know what we need I 
mean 
we wouldn't even know if our chairs could have  certain things done to them 









 
 
On Monday, July 6, 2015 10:12 AM, "_diannal767@aol.com_ 
(mailto:diannal...@aol.com) " <_diannal767@aol.com_ (mailto:diannal...@aol.com) 
>  wrote:




can't thank you  enough for this info derrick. hope others might find it 
useful. i have a  veralite icon (air) cushion and back but the jay3 would've 
been my next step.  love the you tube videos. sent them to my rep.  
dianna 

Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie 

Smile Everyday  

On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM, _diannal767@aol.com_ 
(mailto:diannal...@aol.com)  wrote: 







-Original  Message- 
From: Derrick < _wheelsdw@centurylink.net_ 
(mailto:wheel...@centurylink.net) > 
To: diannal767 < _diannal767@aol.com_ (mailto:diannal...@aol.com) > 
Sent: Tue, Jun  30, 2015 1:49 pm 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 


 
i;ve been researching backs and  cushions. do u want me to email u my 
notes, links, reviews of them? it's  in word doc. 

maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or  cushion to help fit u to 
chair better 
check out the Jay3 back. it has  videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue" scoliosis "
follow link, then click on "documents,  images,videos" 
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media  

other backs with videos ..

 (https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort%20Rehab/Back%20Care) 
https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort  Rehab/Back Care 
JAVA Back
 (http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html) 
http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
 (https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0) 
https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
Java back fitting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ  











-Original  Message- 
From: Bobbie Humphreys <_Bobbie299@aol.com_ (mailto:bobbie...@aol.com) > 
To: diannal767  <_diannal767@aol.com_ (mailto:diannal...@aol.com) > 
Sent: Sat, Jul  4, 2015 3:55 pm 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 


 
Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie 

Smile Everyday  

On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM, _diannal767@aol.com_ 
(mailto:diannal...@aol.com)  wrote: 







-Original  Message- 
From: Derrick < _wheelsdw@centurylink.net_ 
(mailto:wheel...@centurylink.net) > 
To: diannal767 < _diannal767@aol.com_ (mailto:diannal...@aol.com) > 
Sent: Tue, Jun 30,  2015 1:49 pm 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 


 
i;ve been researching backs and  cushions. do u want me to email u my 
notes, links, reviews of them? it's in  word doc. 

maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to  help fit u to 
chair better 
check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about  fitting the back to your back 
issue" scoliosis "
follow link, then click on "documents,  images,videos" 
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media  

other backs with videos ..

 (https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort%20Rehab/Back%20Care) 
https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back  Care 
JAVA Back
 (http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html) 
http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chairs

[Quadius]

If you're using a magitex it will dampen the amount of speed. My chair
can usually do about 7 miles an hour, but I'm only able to do 5.8 with my
magitex

On Saturday, July 25, 2015, linda...@comcast.net wrote:

 Greg I had a Quickie PS 320  loved it then I got a Quantum with the
 Majitek Drive system which was really fast but the Chair tech could never
 get it programmed right for me. Now I have a Quantum 4000 with their
 control system  it is fast also in speed three.
 Linda F.

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chairs

[alcibiates2]

I really have to ask this. Is speed really a selling point for electric 
wheelchairs? I'm always looking for comfort and durability, ease of service.  
When a tech starts talking speed, I start wondering if the leg risers are going 
to fall off.John s.

 Original message 
From: Quadius quad...@gmail.com 
Date: 08/13/2015  7:18 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: linda...@comcast.net 
Cc: Greg g...@eskimo.com, quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chairs 

If you're using a magitex it will dampen the amount of speed. My chair can 
usually do about 7 miles an hour, but I'm only able to do 5.8 with my magitex

On Saturday, July 25, 2015,  linda...@comcast.net wrote:
Greg I had a Quickie PS 320  loved it then I got a Quantum with the Majitek 
Drive system which was really fast but the Chair tech could never get it 
programmed right for me. Now I have a Quantum 4000 with their control system  
it is fast also in speed three. Linda F.

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chairs

[shirley bell]

Hi All, I have eazy lock system,. How do you find An electric chair that  will 
work with this? how many are ther to choose from
Kind regards,
Shirley Bell

www.ShirleyBellDesigns.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: Larry Willis 
  To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 1:38 PM
  Subject: Fwd: [QUAD-L] New Chairs


  My bud up the street got a quantum about a month ago. Overall, he is well 
pleased with it. It's a beautiful chair. His only complaint, it doesn't handle 
rough terrain very well. Nice speed, but short on torque. Could be an 
adjustment issue. My Arrow is nearly 14 years old and I have not had a single 
problem with it. (Knock on wood.) Arrow is also the only chair that will 
accomodate my van tie-down system. Best of luckbig decision!

  Larry Willis
  Retired and proud of it



  Begin forwarded message:


Resent-From: quad-list@eskimo.com
From: linda...@comcast.net
Date: July 25, 2015 at 12:43:01 PM EDT
To: Greg g...@eskimo.com
Cc: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chairs


Greg I had a Quickie PS 320  loved it then I got a Quantum with the 
Majitek Drive system which was really fast but the Chair tech could never get 
it programmed right for me. Now I have a Quantum 4000 with their control system 
 it is fast also in speed three. 
Linda F.

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chairs

[Larry Willis]

EZ lock used to have a list on their website. You might check there.

Larry Willis
Retired and proud of it


 On Aug 12, 2015, at 2:51 PM, wheelch...@aol.com wrote:
 
 You have to ask a Certified Mobility Dealer, NMEDA Certified.
 Best Wishes
  
 In a message dated 8/12/2015 10:41:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
 sbell...@cox.net writes:
 Hi All, I have eazy lock system,. How do you find An electric chair that  
 will work with this? how many are ther to choose from
 Kind regards,
 Shirley Bell
  
 www.ShirleyBellDesigns.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Larry Willis
 To: quad-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 1:38 PM
 Subject: Fwd: [QUAD-L] New Chairs
 
 My bud up the street got a quantum about a month ago. Overall, he is well 
 pleased with it. It's a beautiful chair. His only complaint, it doesn't 
 handle rough terrain very well. Nice speed, but short on torque. Could be an 
 adjustment issue. My Arrow is nearly 14 years old and I have not had a single 
 problem with it. (Knock on wood.) Arrow is also the only chair that will 
 accomodate my van tie-down system. Best of luckbig decision!
 
 Larry Willis
 Retired and proud of it
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 Resent-From: quad-list@eskimo.com
 From: linda...@comcast.net
 Date: July 25, 2015 at 12:43:01 PM EDT
 To: Greg g...@eskimo.com
 Cc: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chairs
 Greg I had a Quickie PS 320  loved it then I got a Quantum with the Majitek 
 Drive system which was really fast but the Chair tech could never get it 
 programmed right for me. Now I have a Quantum 4000 with their control system 
  it is fast also in speed three. 
 Linda F.

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chairs

[wheelchair]

You have to ask a Certified Mobility Dealer, NMEDA Certified.
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 8/12/2015 10:41:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
sbell...@cox.net writes:

Hi All, I have eazy lock system,. How do you find  An electric chair that  
will work with this? how many are ther to choose  from
Kind regards,
Shirley Bell
 
_www.ShirleyBellDesigns.com_ (http://www.shirleybelldesigns.com/) 

- Original Message - 
From:  _Larry Willis_ (mailto:lwillis82...@gmail.com)  
To: _quad-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com)  
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 1:38  PM
Subject: Fwd: [QUAD-L] New Chairs


My bud up the street got a quantum about a month ago. Overall, he is  well 
pleased with it. It's a beautiful chair. His only complaint, it doesn't  
handle rough terrain very well. Nice speed, but short on torque. Could be an  
adjustment issue. My Arrow is nearly 14 years old and I have not had a  
single problem with it. (Knock on wood.) Arrow is also the only chair that  
will 
accomodate my van tie-down system. Best of luckbig  decision!

Larry Willis  
Retired and proud of it




Begin forwarded message:



Resent-From: _quad-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) 
From:  _lindakrn@comcast.net_ (mailto:linda...@comcast.net) 
Date:  July 25, 2015 at 12:43:01 PM EDT
To: Greg _greg@eskimo.com_ (mailto:g...@eskimo.com) 
Cc:  quad-list _quad-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) 
Subject:  Re: [QUAD-L] New Chairs





 
Greg I had a Quickie PS 320  loved it then I got a Quantum with  the 
Majitek Drive system which was really fast but the Chair tech could  never get 
it 
programmed right for me. Now I have a Quantum 4000 with their  control 
system  it is fast also in speed three. 
Linda  F.

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chairs

[lindakrn]

Greg I had a Quickie PS 320  loved it then I got a Quantum with the Majitek 
Drive system which was really fast but the Chair tech could never get it 
programmed right for me. Now I have a Quantum 4000 with their control system  
it is fast also in speed three. 
Linda F. 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chairs

[Gmail]

Larry my 1st chair was also like the one you described but I got mine in 1976
It came in one size fits all, one color (maybe 2)
With a sling seat and back.
Made a high pitch sound whenever I was in motion and would interfere with radio 
and TV signals.
Very UGLY! But got me where I wanted to go. Before that I had to push.
Bobbie 

Smile Everyday

 On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:27 PM, Larry Willis lwillis82...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 My first power chair was an Everest and Jennings which became 21st Century. 
 Belts, big wheels, inner tubes, crooked pullies, worn brushes -- the list of 
 problems it presented was a foot long. I think I had three of them beginning 
 in '79. They were top of the line at the time, but..
 
 Larry Willis
 Retired and proud of it
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 Resent-From: quad-list@eskimo.com
 From: greg g...@eskimo.com
 Date: July 24, 2015 at 7:07:53 PM EDT
 To: quad-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chairs
 
 I need a new chair pretty darn soon. Mine is getting run down. The auto 
 brake barely holds me in place. I usually don't tie down in the van. I just 
 pull in sideways and get tight behind the front seats. But if at all facing 
 forward, when the van stops, I roll forward. While in for something else, 
 the repair shop said the motors are going bad and said I might not be able 
 to get those because they are too old. When I recline, it makes a loud 
 snap/clank noise like metal is braking and the seat jerks.  I can't count 
 how many small nuts and bolts I have found on the floor and can't find where 
 they fell off.
 
 I've always had front/mid wheel drive, except my 1st chair. 21st Century, 
 large rear bike size wheels. Very fast, but ugly and not real maneuverable. 
 They still make the exact belt drive chair. Fun chair, but hard to get in 
 mini van, no turning around inside.
 
 Other than that old fashion one. Looks like the fastest now is 8.5. I have 
 never tried a rear wheel drive, with the smaller rear wheels. Do they turn 
 sharp? These mid wheels can turn around in space. Can I spin around in my 
 van?
 
 Permobil M300 - 7.5mph mid
 Quickie QM-720 - 8mph mid
 Quickue P-222 - 8.5mph rear
 
 I'm looking into these ones. Any thoughts?
 Greg
 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chairs

[Gmail]

Greg why don't you run your current chair into the ground first.  Bobbie 

Smile Everyday

 On Jul 24, 2015, at 7:07 PM, greg g...@eskimo.com wrote:
 
 I need a new chair pretty darn soon. Mine is getting run down. The auto brake 
 barely holds me in place. I usually don't tie down in the van. I just pull in 
 sideways and get tight behind the front seats. But if at all facing forward, 
 when the van stops, I roll forward. While in for something else, the repair 
 shop said the motors are going bad and said I might not be able to get those 
 because they are too old. When I recline, it makes a loud snap/clank noise 
 like metal is braking and the seat jerks.  I can't count how many small nuts 
 and bolts I have found on the floor and can't find where they fell off.
 
 I've always had front/mid wheel drive, except my 1st chair. 21st Century, 
 large rear bike size wheels. Very fast, but ugly and not real maneuverable. 
 They still make the exact belt drive chair. Fun chair, but hard to get in 
 mini van, no turning around inside.
 
 Other than that old fashion one. Looks like the fastest now is 8.5. I have 
 never tried a rear wheel drive, with the smaller rear wheels. Do they turn 
 sharp? These mid wheels can turn around in space. Can I spin around in my van?
 
 Permobil M300 - 7.5mph mid
 Quickie QM-720 - 8mph mid
 Quickue P-222 - 8.5mph rear
 
 I'm looking into these ones. Any thoughts?
 Greg
 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chairs

[shirley bell]

I too want to know. Someone was talking about the quickie 200? that has 
retired. I want the SMALLEST chair . any thoughts? The replacement looks 
small quickie 22(I think that's it)

Kind regards,
Shirley Bell

www.ShirleyBellDesigns.com
- Original Message - 
From: greg g...@eskimo.com

To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:07 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chairs


I need a new chair pretty darn soon. Mine is getting run down. The auto 
brake barely holds me in place. I usually don't tie down in the van. I just 
pull in sideways and get tight behind the front seats. But if at all facing 
forward, when the van stops, I roll forward. While in for something else, 
the repair shop said the motors are going bad and said I might not be able 
to get those because they are too old. When I recline, it makes a loud 
snap/clank noise like metal is braking and the seat jerks.  I can't count 
how many small nuts and bolts I have found on the floor and can't find where 
they fell off.


I've always had front/mid wheel drive, except my 1st chair. 21st Century, 
large rear bike size wheels. Very fast, but ugly and not real maneuverable. 
They still make the exact belt drive chair. Fun chair, but hard to get in 
mini van, no turning around inside.


Other than that old fashion one. Looks like the fastest now is 8.5. I have 
never tried a rear wheel drive, with the smaller rear wheels. Do they turn 
sharp? These mid wheels can turn around in space. Can I spin around in my 
van?


Permobil M300 - 7.5mph mid
Quickie QM-720 - 8mph mid
Quickue P-222 - 8.5mph rear

I'm looking into these ones. Any thoughts?
Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chairs

[wheelchair]

The only issue regarding new motors is replacing the control module  too.  
But that is not a major issue if insurance is paying for the work and  
parts.  The parts are usually in stock and ship in 14 days.  Labor is  about 
2-2-1/2 hours max.
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 7/24/2015 6:08:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
g...@eskimo.com writes:

I need a  new chair pretty darn soon. Mine is getting run down. The auto 
brake barely  holds me in place. I usually don't tie down in the van. I just 
pull in  sideways and get tight behind the front seats. But if at all facing 
forward,  when the van stops, I roll forward. While in for something else, 
the repair  shop said the motors are going bad and said I might not be able 
to get those  because they are too old. When I recline, it makes a loud 
snap/clank noise  like metal is braking and the seat jerks.  I can't count how 
many small  nuts and bolts I have found on the floor and can't find where they 
fell  off.

I've always had front/mid wheel drive, except my 1st chair. 21st  Century, 
large rear bike size wheels. Very fast, but ugly and not real  maneuverable. 
They still make the exact belt drive chair. Fun chair, but hard  to get in 
mini van, no turning around inside.

Other than that old  fashion one. Looks like the fastest now is 8.5. I have 
never tried a rear  wheel drive, with the smaller rear wheels. Do they turn 
sharp? These mid  wheels can turn around in space. Can I spin around in my 
van?

Permobil  M300 - 7.5mph mid
Quickie QM-720 - 8mph mid
Quickue P-222 - 8.5mph  rear

I'm looking into these ones. Any  thoughts?
Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chairs

[Fragile]

I have a Permobil M300, the fastest I can get it to go is 5.5 mph.  I
tried it out on the flight deck of the USS midway while on vacation.
Which is fine with me, the terrain I have to go over outside of my
home is usually pretty rough.  The only problems I've had is one of
the armrests falling apart, but I think it is normal wear and tear.

On 7/24/15, greg g...@eskimo.com wrote:
 I need a new chair pretty darn soon. Mine is getting run down. The auto
 brake barely holds me in place. I usually don't tie down in the van. I just
 pull in sideways and get tight behind the front seats. But if at all facing
 forward, when the van stops, I roll forward. While in for something else,
 the repair shop said the motors are going bad and said I might not be able
 to get those because they are too old. When I recline, it makes a loud
 snap/clank noise like metal is braking and the seat jerks.  I can't count
 how many small nuts and bolts I have found on the floor and can't find where
 they fell off.

 I've always had front/mid wheel drive, except my 1st chair. 21st Century,
 large rear bike size wheels. Very fast, but ugly and not real maneuverable.
 They still make the exact belt drive chair. Fun chair, but hard to get in
 mini van, no turning around inside.

 Other than that old fashion one. Looks like the fastest now is 8.5. I have
 never tried a rear wheel drive, with the smaller rear wheels. Do they turn
 sharp? These mid wheels can turn around in space. Can I spin around in my
 van?

 Permobil M300 - 7.5mph mid
 Quickie QM-720 - 8mph mid
 Quickue P-222 - 8.5mph rear

 I'm looking into these ones. Any thoughts?
 Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

yes, bobbie sent me a video where her chair comes with a power headrest.(same 
chair) the rep said it wasn't available nor a medical necessity. that medicaid 
wouldn't permit it. i proceeded to tell her i couldn't unbolt it. it's a 
cosmetic issue, but sometimes it would be nice to take it off. or should i say, 
hit a button to put it down. it falls in the category of a para not wanting a 
power chair. but NONE of the options were discussed with me except lateral 
support that HAD to be changed.  yes, derrick did a lot of research, it really 
isn't our responsibilitythey should know but we're the ones getting the 
chairs. in all respect, my rep said she'd come out until it's right.
dianna (still need shorter legs or foot rests on mine. using dish towels to get 
my legs higher...not cool)

Well I don't really doubt what dianna said because wheelchair companies are 
supposed to know when a person in your shape needs and work your insurance 
company will pay for it shouldn't be our job to know what we need I mean we 
wouldn't even know if our chairs could have certain things done to them




-Original Message-
From: john owens jrowen...@yahoo.com
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2015 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


 
  
Well I don't really doubt what dianna said because wheelchair companies are 
supposed to know when a person in your shape needs and work your insurance 
company will pay for it shouldn't be our job to know what we need I mean we 
wouldn't even know if our chairs could have certain things done to them

 

   
  

  
  
   
   
  
  

 
  
On Monday, July 6, 2015 10:12 AM, diannal...@aol.com 
diannal...@aol.com wrote:
   
  
 
  
  
   can't thank you enough for this info derrick. hope others might find it 
useful. i have a veralite icon (air) cushion and back but the jay3 would've 
been my next step. love the you tube videos. sent them to my rep. 
dianna 
  
  

Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie 
 
 Smile Everyday

 
 On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM, diannal...@aol.com wrote: 
 


 
 
 
   
 
   
 
   
 -Original Message-
 From: Derrick wheel...@centurylink.net
 To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
 Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


 
  
 i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my notes, 
links, reviews of them? it's in word doc.   
   
 maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to chair 
better   
 check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue   scoliosis 
 follow link, then click on documents, images,videos   
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media   

   
 other backs with videos ..
 

https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back 
Care   
   
JAVA Back
  
http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
  
https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
  Java back fitting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ  
  
 

   
 

  
 
  
  
  
  
-Original Message-  
 From: Bobbie Humphreys bobbie...@aol.com  
 To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com  
 Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2015 3:55 pm  
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair  
   
   

 
 Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie  
  
 Smile Everyday 
 
  
 On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM,  diannal...@aol.com wrote: 
 
  
 
 
  
   
  

  

  

 -Original Message- 
 From: Derrick  wheel...@centurylink.net 
 To: diannal767  diannal...@aol.com 
 Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm 
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

yes, i got the veralite icon (air) back. it's high and only about 2 inches from 
my lower back to my butt. it looks like an office chair. if it didn't work, i 
was going to ask for the jay 3.  my cushion is a veralite too. i like the 
backmy butt doesn't stick out either. that was not cool.
dianna

You try any of these?  
 You get Icon back? tall,med.low?  
 Derrick




-Original Message-
From: Derrick wheel...@centurylink.net
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2015 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


  
i've been researching new cushions  backs.  
 The Evolution got 4.3 out of 5 stars and 91% recommend it. But I like the 
Meridian due to better pressure map and dual chamber to keep you from sliding 
out  sit on tail bone.  
 I drive my own van and need good balance. I never had air cushion before. I am 
wondering if the Wave design would help stability?  
 Did you try the Evolution Wave?   
http://www.varilite.com/products_detail.aspx?prodID=3  
 Did you try Meridian? likes,dislikes?  
   
 I was going to request the Meridian Wave from dealer to check out .  
   
 Here is my list iof cushions:  
   Cushion that I have been reviewing  
 Comfort Company-Vector X...what difference between Vector X  Adjuster X  
 Comfort Company Adjuster X..more options than regular Adjuster??  
 Varilite- Meridian.maybe Meridian Wave if better stability  
 Jay-Fusion  
 Jay2 Deep Contour  
 Roho-Hybird Elite  
 Ride Design Java  
   
 You try any of these?  
 You get Icon back? tall,med.low?  
 Derrick  
   
 On 7/6/2015 11:12 AM,   diannal...@aol.com wrote:  
  
  
  can't thank you enough for this info derrick. hope others might find it 
useful. i have a veralite icon (air) cushion and back but the jay3 would've 
been my next step. love the you tube videos. sent them to my rep.
dianna
 
  
   
Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie

 Smile Everyday   
   

 On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM,diannal...@aol.com wrote:

   
   

   

  

  

  
 -Original Message-   
 From: Derrickwheel...@centurylink.net   
 To: diannal767diannal...@aol.com   
 Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm   
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair   
   
   

 
 i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my notes, 
links, reviews of them? it's in word doc.  
  
 maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to chair 
better  
 check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue  scoliosis 
 follow link, then click on documents, images,videos  
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media   
   
  
 other backs with videos ..
 
   
   https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back Care  

  
   JAVA Back

http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html

https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
 Java back fitting.   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ 
 

   
  

   
  
 
 
 
 
 
-Original Message- 
 From: Bobbie Humphreys  bobbie...@aol.com 
 To: diannal767  diannal...@aol.com 
 Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2015 3:55 pm 
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 
  
  
   

 Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie 
 
 Smile Everyday

 
 On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM, diannal...@aol.com wrote: 
 


 
 
 
   
 
   
 
   
 -Original Message-
 From: Derrick wheel...@centurylink.net
 To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
 Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


 
  
 i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my notes, 
links, reviews of them? it's in word doc.   
   
 maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to chair 
better   
 check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue   scoliosis 
 follow link, then click on documents, images,videos   
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media   

   
 other backs with videos

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

can't thank you enough for this info derrick. hope others might find it useful. 
i have a veralite icon (air) cushion and back but the jay3 would've been my 
next step. love the you tube videos. sent them to my rep.
dianna


Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie  
  
Smile Everyday 
 
  
On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM,   diannal...@aol.com wrote:  
  
 
 
  

 
 
 
 
 
 
-Original Message- 
 From: Derrick  wheel...@centurylink.net 
 To: diannal767  diannal...@aol.com 
 Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm 
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 
  
  
   

 i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my notes, 
links, reviews of them? it's in word doc. 
 
 maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to chair 
better 
 check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue scoliosis 
 follow link, then click on documents, images,videos 
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media   
  
 
 other backs with videos ..
 
  
 https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back Care
 
 JAVA Back
http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
   Java back fitting.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ








-Original Message-
From: Bobbie Humphreys bobbie...@aol.com
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2015 3:55 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


 
Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie  
  
Smile Everyday 
 
  
On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM,   diannal...@aol.com wrote:  
  
 
 
  

 
 
 
 
 
 
-Original Message- 
 From: Derrick  wheel...@centurylink.net 
 To: diannal767  diannal...@aol.com 
 Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm 
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 
  
  
   

 i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my notes, 
links, reviews of them? it's in word doc. 
 
 maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to chair 
better 
 check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue scoliosis 
 follow link, then click on documents, images,videos 
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media   
  
 
 other backs with videos ..
 
  
 https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back Care
 
 JAVA Back
http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
   Java back fitting.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ
   
 my buddy just got jay3 back. he really like it. 
 derrick 
 
 On 6/30/2015 10:24 AM, diannal...@aol.com wrote: 


 my wheelchair rep has been back and says she'll be back with a 
different back. and back until i'm comfortable with my chair. but it's just so 
far off her measurements, i don't think this is right. i guess i'll be 
finding out. it's only my 2nd chair through medicaid in 25 yrs. but now, 25 yrs 
later, scoliosis has developed from not sitting correctly and i'm finding these 
chairs very uncomfortable. just venting because i think i'm going to be stuck 
with something i don't like. to get the back close to right, the legs are too 
long, etc. it is however my first recline, i had hoped a smoother transfer of 
chairs.  
 dianna   
   

 I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will.
   
   
   
   
   
 -Original Message-
 From: wheelchairwheelch...@aol.com
 To: wheelsdwwheel...@centurylink.net; quad-list
quad-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 10:11 pm
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


 
 
 I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

my wheelchair rep came out today and changed the back on my chair. i'm so 
happy, feels great. it's not a jay3 but a veralite icon air back. it also has 
little lateral support. the other had way too much.  she was familiar with the 
jay3 website you showed me but my computer was malfunctioning and I couldn't 
get aol up running to get to your links for you tube but i'm going to send them 
to her later. thank you sooo much for feedback. she's also coming back out to 
change my legs/foot rests as they are still too long after changing the back.
dianna
 
-Original Message-
From: Derrick wheel...@centurylink.net
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


  
i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my notes, 
links, reviews of them? it's in word doc.  
   
 maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to chair 
better  
 check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue  scoliosis 
 follow link, then click on documents, images,videos   
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media  
   
 other backs with videos ..
 

https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back Care
   
JAVA Back
  http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
  https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
  Java back fitting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ

 my buddy just got jay3 back. he really like it.  
 derrick  
   
 On 6/30/2015 10:24 AM,   diannal...@aol.com wrote:  
  
  
  my wheelchair rep has been back and says she'll be back with a different 
back. and back until i'm comfortable with my chair. but it's just so far off 
her measurements, i don't think this is right. i guess i'll be finding out. 
it's only my 2nd chair through medicaid in 25 yrs. but now, 25 yrs later, 
scoliosis has developed from not sitting correctly and i'm finding these chairs 
very uncomfortable. just venting because i think i'm going to be stuck with 
something i don't like. to get the back close to right, the legs are too long, 
etc. it is however my first recline, i had hoped a smoother transfer of chairs. 
   
dianna
 
  
I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will. 
 
 
 
 
 
-Original Message- 
 From: wheelchair  wheelch...@aol.com 
 To: wheelsdw  wheel...@centurylink.net; quad-list  
quad-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 10:11 pm 
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 
  
  
   
 
 I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will. 
 
   
 
 Best Wishe 
 
   
 
  
 In a message dated 6/29/2015 1:23:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time,   
wheel...@centurylink.net writes:  
  
   All companies the same. They do not give a crap about fitting the 
best 
 chair. They should not get away with this.
 Until you find a company that really cares and takes the time to 
 evaluate you, You have to really spend the time to research your self. 
 Then ask for a demo to try for a few weeks. Read reviews, ask other 
 users and give it time to adjust for the change. A new different chair 
 takes time to adjust to.
 
 I do not think wheelchair manufactures and DME dealers consider people 
 sitting in wheelchairs for 12 hours a day. They should spend the time in 
 customers shoes and ride around town and into stores to see what its like.
 
 DME are sparse in rural areas like I live in so there is not many 
 choices. My friend down the road was just told to find another dealer 
 after getting his new wheelchair just because he told them and argued 
 that he never got a chest strap. A chest strap is not much $ but they 
 could care less.
 
 Its just another hosing that the disabled get. Here's your wheelchair, 
 cushion or van, now go away until you can order a new one. Plus, I blame 
 Med-i-dont-care for not paying for pressure mapping and for better 
 equipment.
 Derrick
 
 
 On 6/29/2015 1:47 PM, Fragile wrote:
  I had similar

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

my wheelchair rep has been back and says she'll be back with a different back. 
and back until i'm comfortable with my chair. but it's just so far off her 
measurements, i don't think this is right. i guess i'll be finding out. it's 
only my 2nd chair through medicaid in 25 yrs. but now, 25 yrs later, scoliosis 
has developed from not sitting correctly and i'm finding these chairs very 
uncomfortable. just venting because i think i'm going to be stuck with 
something i don't like. to get the back close to right, the legs are too long, 
etc. it is however my first recline, i had hoped a smoother transfer of chairs.
dianna

I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will.




-Original Message-
From: wheelchair wheelch...@aol.com
To: wheelsdw wheel...@centurylink.net; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 10:11 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair



I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will.   
   
   
   
Best Wishe  
   
   
   

In a message dated 6/29/2015 1:23:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
wheel...@centurylink.net writes:   

All companies the same. They do not give a crap about fitting the best 
chair. They should not get away with this.
Until you find a company that really cares and takes the time to 
evaluate you, You have to really spend the time to research your self. 
Then ask for a demo to try for a few weeks. Read reviews, ask other 
users and give it time to adjust for the change. A new different chair 
takes time to adjust to.

I do not think wheelchair manufactures and DME dealers consider people 
sitting in wheelchairs for 12 hours a day. They should spend the time in 
customers shoes and ride around town and into stores to see what its like.

DME are sparse in rural areas like I live in so there is not many 
choices. My friend down the road was just told to find another dealer 
after getting his new wheelchair just because he told them and argued 
that he never got a chest strap. A chest strap is not much $ but they 
could care less.

Its just another hosing that the disabled get. Here's your wheelchair, 
cushion or van, now go away until you can order a new one. Plus, I blame 
Med-i-dont-care for not paying for pressure mapping and for better 
equipment.
Derrick


On 6/29/2015 1:47 PM, Fragile wrote:
 I had similar problems with a quantum 600. When I complained to the
 company that sold me the chair, I was told, you got what you
 ordered. It was too wide. It was between 18 and 19 inches wide,
 ordered between 16 and 17. Come to find out later, 17 inches wasn't an
 option, so they went to 18. I just dealt with it for about 5 years,
 when I was eligible for a new chair I went to a different company.
 They sent somebody out to take measurements and whatnot. Showed up at
 my front door about a month later with a new wheelchair (permobil),
 without any warning. I wasn't ready to take the new chair, I was home
 alone, nobody to transfer me into the new wheelchair so adjustments
 could be made. Luckily, they sent somebody out a few weeks later and
 took care of it.

 On 6/29/15, diannal...@aol.com diannal...@aol.com wrote:
 my new chair was delivered in april. i.m going from an invacare tdx 5 to a
 quatrum 6000 recline chair. my question to all who all who received their
 new chair and had so many adjustments .being fitted and measured found they
 just hate the new chair. she told me the new chair would be a 1/2 difference
 in height, no so true. ( i don;t clear my kitchen table, my computer desk is
 now way to low) the back has been adjusted numerous times, i feel like i'm
 falling out of it. i have to put towels under my feet to prevent the drop
 look, they can't be adjusted up any further. this just isn't right is it? so
 not happy.
 dianna



   
  

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[wheelchair]

I hope you are working with a seating and positioning specialist. Chair  
bases are all similar, but the seating and positioning is paramount.   
Wheelchair Reps are not seating and positioning experts.  A bad seat will  cost 
you 
and the payee lots of money over the next decade, if not done  properly.
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 6/30/2015 9:24:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
diannal...@aol.com writes:

my wheelchair rep has been back and says she'll  be back with a different 
back. and back until i'm comfortable with my chair.  but it's just so far off 
her measurements, i don't think this is right. i  guess i'll be finding 
out. it's only my 2nd chair through medicaid in 25 yrs.  but now, 25 yrs 
later, scoliosis has developed from not sitting correctly and  i'm finding 
these 
chairs very uncomfortable. just venting because i think i'm  going to be 
stuck with something i don't like. to get the back close to right,  the legs 
are too long, etc. it is however my first recline, i had hoped a  smoother 
transfer of chairs.  
dianna

I beg to  differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and 
not sign  the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. 
Remember that  providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must 
comply  with insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the  
manufacturer via the internet.  You can try out anything you want.  Manufacture 
Reps are more than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.   Otherwise others 
will.




-Original  Message-
From: wheelchair wheelch...@aol.com
To: wheelsdw  wheel...@centurylink.net; quad-list  quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 10:11 pm
Subject:  Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


 
I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO  and 
not sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need.  
Remember that providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They  must 
comply with insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about  the 
manufacturer via the internet.  You can try out anything you want.  Manufacture 
Reps are more than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.   Otherwise others 
will. 

Best Wishe 

 
In a message dated 6/29/2015 1:23:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
_wheelsdw@centurylink.net_ (mailto:wheel...@centurylink.net)  writes:  

All  companies the same. They do not give a crap about fitting the best  
chair. They should not get away with this.
Until you find a company  that really cares and takes the time to 
evaluate you, You have to really  spend the time to research your self. 
Then ask for a demo to try for a  few weeks. Read reviews, ask other 
users and give it time to adjust for  the change. A new different chair 
takes time to adjust to.

I do  not think wheelchair manufactures and DME dealers consider people  
sitting in wheelchairs for 12 hours a day. They should spend the time in  
customers shoes and ride around town and into stores to see what its  like.

DME are sparse in rural areas like I live in so there is not  many 
choices. My friend down the road was just told to find another  dealer 
after getting his new wheelchair just because he told them and  argued 
that he never got a chest strap. A chest strap is not much $ but  they 
could care less.

Its just another hosing that the disabled  get. Here's your wheelchair, 
cushion or van, now go away until you can  order a new one. Plus, I blame 
Med-i-dont-care for not paying for  pressure mapping and for better 
equipment.
Derrick


On  6/29/2015 1:47 PM, Fragile wrote:
 I had similar problems with a  quantum 600. When I complained to the
 company that sold me the  chair, I was told, you got what you
 ordered. It was too wide. It  was between 18 and 19 inches wide,
 ordered between 16 and 17. Come  to find out later, 17 inches wasn't an
 option, so they went to 18. I  just dealt with it for about 5 years,
 when I was eligible for a new  chair I went to a different company.
 They sent somebody out to take  measurements and whatnot. Showed up at
 my front door about a month  later with a new wheelchair (permobil),
 without any warning. I  wasn't ready to take the new chair, I was home
 alone, nobody to  transfer me into the new wheelchair so adjustments
 could be made.  Luckily, they sent somebody out a few weeks later and
 took care of  it.

 On 6/29/15, _diannal767@aol.com_ (mailto:diannal...@aol.com)  
_diannal767@aol.com_ (mailto:diannal...@aol.com)   wrote:
 my new chair was delivered in april. i.m going from an  invacare tdx 5 
to a
 quatrum 6000 recline chair. my question to  all who all who received 
their
 new chair and had so many  adjustments .being fitted and measured found 
they
 just hate the  new chair. she told me the new chair would be a 1/2 
difference
  in height, no so true. ( i don;t clear my kitchen table, my computer 
desk  is
 now way to low) the back has been adjusted numerous times, i  feel like 
i'm
 falling out of it. i have to put

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

no I wasn't, just a pt to okay chair. or should I say, no, I didn't.

I hope you are working with a seating and positioning specialist. Chair bases 
are all similar, but the seating and positioning is paramount.  Wheelchair Reps 
are not seating and positioning experts.  A bad seat will cost you and the 
payee lots of money over the next decade, if not done properly.

 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wheelchair wheelch...@aol.com
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 10:49 am
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair



I hope you are working with a seating and positioning specialist. Chair bases 
are all similar, but the seating and positioning is paramount.  Wheelchair Reps 
are not seating and positioning experts.  A bad seat will cost you and the 
payee lots of money over the next decade, if not done properly.  
   
   
   
Best Wishes  
   
   
   

In a message dated 6/30/2015 9:24:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
diannal...@aol.com writes:   

my wheelchair rep has been back and says she'll be back with a different 
back. and back until i'm comfortable with my chair. but it's just so far off 
her measurements, i don't think this is right. i guess i'll be finding out. 
it's only my 2nd chair through medicaid in 25 yrs. but now, 25 yrs later, 
scoliosis has developed from not sitting correctly and i'm finding these chairs 
very uncomfortable. just venting because i think i'm going to be stuck with 
something i don't like. to get the back close to right, the legs are too long, 
etc. it is however my first recline, i had hoped a smoother transfer of chairs. 
  
dianna   

 
I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will.
   
   
   
   

-Original Message-
From: wheelchair wheelch...@aol.com
To: wheelsdw wheel...@centurylink.net; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com   
 
Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 10:11 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

 
  
  
I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will.


Best Wishe


 
In a message dated 6/29/2015 1:23:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
wheel...@centurylink.net writes: 
 
 All companies the same. They do not give a crap about fitting the 
best 
chair. They should not get away with this.
Until you find a company that really cares and takes the time to 
evaluate you, You have to really spend the time to research your self. 
Then ask for a demo to try for a few weeks. Read reviews, ask other 
users and give it time to adjust for the change. A new different chair 
takes time to adjust to.

I do not think wheelchair manufactures and DME dealers consider people 
sitting in wheelchairs for 12 hours a day. They should spend the time in 
customers shoes and ride around town and into stores to see what its like.

DME are sparse in rural areas like I live in so there is not many 
choices. My friend down the road was just told to find another dealer 
after getting his new wheelchair just because he told them and argued 
that he never got a chest strap. A chest strap is not much $ but they 
could care less.

Its just another hosing that the disabled get. Here's your wheelchair, 
cushion or van, now go away until you can order a new one. Plus, I blame 
Med-i-dont-care for not paying for pressure mapping and for better 
equipment.
Derrick


On 6/29/2015 1:47 PM, Fragile wrote:
 I had similar problems with a quantum 600. When I complained to the
 company that sold me the chair, I was told, you got what you
 ordered. It was too wide. It was between 18 and 19 inches wide,
 ordered between 16 and 17. Come to find out later, 17 inches wasn't an
 option, so they went to 18. I just dealt with it for about 5 years,
 when I was eligible for a new chair I went to a different company.
 They sent somebody out to take measurements and whatnot. Showed up at
 my front door about a month later with a new wheelchair (permobil),
 without any warning. I wasn't ready