[RBW] Re: The New Riv
I think you're close Peter. Soma's Stanyan comes in around the $700 mark and they're using Tange. Velo-Orange also has a lugged frame retailing around $700, although they've been on sale forever. The recent post mentions tubing that's not as nice as other bikes so I imagine there's some wiggle room to get the price down. I'm not familiar with the intricacies of all the different types of tubing, but I imagine that they'll go for something a bit lower than the 4130 stuff. Budget wheels cost a couple hundred; Kalloy makes economic parts; faux leather saddle; Microshift drivetrain parts; and who knows.maybe they get some of the tires/handlebars/incidentals from Soma. I think they can definitely pull this off. The SimpleOnes didn't have any super exciting parts, however they all managed to work together in a grouppo that made the bike affordable. I really think they can do it, and I imagine it'll be much better than the racy stuff coming out of Trek, Cannondale, and Specialized. On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:02:46 PM UTC-7, pb wrote: On Jul 3, 3:35 pm, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Intriguing, a build kit for a Riv is $1,200 so not sure how it would be possible to do a whole bike for $1,400 made out of lugged steel unless the are having 1k frames made in China or something like that. Lessee... Riv and Soma have a relationship. Soma makes pretty nice lugged frames, with a retail price point of $730. The Soma frames are made in Taiwan. The Riv frame is going to be made in Taiwan. Hmmmnn a Prestige-framed Riv? And the Soma frames even require 57mm brakes. My only question is why would it take a year to produce? ~pb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1kSWCEY4l2kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: The New Riv
On Jul 3, 10:19 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: It probably takes a year to produce because Grant doesn't have $20,000,000 in the bank.actually there are probably quite a few reasons why a company takes time to get something into production.everything from financing, parts vendors, production availability, company debt (back to financing) etc. plus I'm sure they want to hit the mark and insure its a good seller. Ah, I don't think it would take $20,000,000 to bring a bike to market. I suspect that manufacturers in Taiwan are much more nimble than that, and I suspect that parts manufacturers will be happy to make sales. Let's say Riv is shooting for a 35% margin, which would be very solid in the bike world. That's a cost of $910 each. How many would they do in a first run? A hundred? Two hundred? I have no idea how many units Rivendell can sell of a new, entry-level model, but let's say two hundred, which might be enough to realize some production efficiencies. That represents a cost of $182,000. Not an insignificant amount of money, but not anywhere near $20,000,000. As far as ensuring that it's a good seller -- that might mean appealing to a somewhat mainstream audience, which would be a bit of a switch in posture and in marketing strategy. Riv has had historic alliances with Merry Sales (if I recall correctly -- weren't they the folks who distributed the Bleriot? Or was it QBP?), as well as with Soma. Any of those could be very helpful in lining up suppliers and supplies. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] The New Riv
I can see it sportin' Microshift, tho only thyme will tell. Daniel Anaheim, CA On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 5:41:06 PM UTC-7, EricP wrote: I can see it being done. Especially with low-tier Shimano components. (Think Tiagra or no-name). Most of which appear to work just fine. And there is probably a modern equivalent of old seamed, straight gauge tubing. The wheels might be the toughest part. It's something I'll keep an eye on, although I do have two Surly bikes that fulfill the role of beater (or better) quite well. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xlCG-xTea8sJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
On Jul 3, 2012, at 11:51 PM, pb wrote: Riv has had historic alliances with Merry Sales (if I recall correctly -- weren't they the folks who distributed the Bleriot? Or was it QBP?), as well as with Soma. Any of those could be very helpful in lining up suppliers and supplies. QBP handled the Bleriot project. Merry is the import/wholesale company behind SOMA. I expect also that the Hillborne, Foy/Gomez, SimpLeone projects all developed relationships in Taiwan. All of which combines to help them work this. You have to find someone who will deliver what you spec, work with you to get it where it has to be on time, etc. These are never trivial negotiations. Plus I would expect a few prototype sample bikes would be delivered, tested and refined. Grant and company won't let a bike show up that doesn't ride like a Rivendell. It certainly isn't just about making a bicycle frame with lugs. I just think it's cool that they've shared that info with us. - Jim / cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tubus Cosmo and ~64cm Frame size?
Not that the OP should have any problem with the tubus cosmo on his frame- but tire/wheel size is not the only thing to consider, and there is a point where many racks do not fit well on larger frames, because the seat stays are angled much more steeply and this pushes the rack mounts (braze-ons) out over the rear hub.If the rack has adjustable top stays that can retract to account for it (I think all the tubus ones do) then there's no problem, but some lower-end racks don't have that adjustability, so you end up with a rack that looks like it is tipping backwards. Anyway good luck :) Matt On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 7:30:49 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote: I've got a pair of Cosmos on my 56 Bombadil (650b w/2.3 and SKS fenders)... works great (front was a trick to mount, but the rear was easy). Thing is, is shouldn't matter if it's a 56 or a 60 or a 64; the wheelsize is going to be the same (my fat 650b is as tall as my 60 Ram wearing 700c 32's...); yes, your seat tube will lengthen, as will the top tube, bottom tube, forks; but the braze-ons should be at the same distance above the axles, regardless of the size.. I think you'll be fine. FWIW, I like my Cosmos... On Monday, July 2, 2012 7:40:34 PM UTC-4, HKett wrote: Hi everyone, I have a 64cm Atlantis and right now I have a standard blackburn rack on it that is too small to get level and as thus presses against my fenders and causes rubbing. So I've decided to get a new rack, and the Tubus Cosmo looks perfect for what I want. I've placed a backorder at the local bike shop, but they won't get stock for a few weeks, so before I wait a while, get it, and realize it doesn't fit, does anyone have experience with the Cosmo and a ~64cm frame, Atlantis or similar? Thanks in advance! -Holger -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/hhW8mQ7oKwEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 23:51 -0700, pb wrote: Ah, I don't think it would take $20,000,000 to bring a bike to market. I suspect that manufacturers in Taiwan are much more nimble than that, and I suspect that parts manufacturers will be happy to make sales. The Kogswell P/R came to market, and that was one guy working out of his home. I can't imagine he had somehow managed to accumulate twenty million dollars (even if he'd spent his time sticking up banks or selling crack!) before he got that project off the ground. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tubus Cosmo and ~64cm Frame size?
Ah, didn't think of that, but yes, the Cosmo stays are fully adjustable... FYI, the Tubus website has a PDF of how they mount... http://tubus.com/documents/1321270003_Cosmo.pdf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/P0ZuDdLQo1cJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Long distance clothing choices
I wear IceBreaker wool t-shirts very thin and comfy, Buy 2 short sleeve and 1 long sleeve, you can put them all on if needed, lots of flexibility and very little weight, I also cary a Ibex shank long sleeve wool sweater for cooler weather. Bottoms I wear Woolistic Wool cycling shorts, or Andimos with MUSA shorts or knickers. Good Luck Tom Dusky Huntington Woods, MI On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 12:21:32 AM UTC-4, Scot Brooks wrote: So the Seattle to Portland ride is coming up (200 miles in 2 days), and I'm kinda thinking about wardrobe. I'm not a spandex guy, and though I wore it for quite awhile some years ago, I just never felt right in it. The farthest I've gotten is running socks, boat shoes (my all time favorite riding footwear), Exofficio undies, and that's it. Running shorts will probably be next thing, which seems like a good choice. I wanted a MUSA short sleeve wool tee shirt, but they're out of mediums. Might end up with a butt-crack tan line if I go the tee shirt route. Anyway, what do you guys and gals wear when distance is the thing? Also, who's going? I'll probably be riding my Sam, but I might break out my newly-built-secret-weapon bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4wYXi_WXYqYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Long distance clothing choices
I've done multiple 100+ mile days in Exofficio undies and MUSA shorts with no issues. I take it you're riding a Brooks saddle? My favorite top for this kind of riding is a Woolistic jersey. I love the fit as it's more like a t-shirt than a jersey. You might also try some kind of wool t-shirt. I've also used a seersucker REI shirt which is nice but did give me a bit of a raspberry while flapping in the wind on a long descent. LLBean has lots of their seersucker on sale now so you might find something there. I live in Portland and won't be doing the ride. I just don't see the allure. I hear the route isn't that great, tending to ride through sprawl and there's just too many people for my likes. But that's just me, plenty of folks have been doing the ride for years and having a great time. To me, the WA state ride that really appeals to me is the SIR 3 Volcanos 300k which is happening in Aug. That is a ride not to be missed. And yet again, I'll be missing it... --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/gbjEixnEfQgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
I agree with Jim that a lot of the year is in prototyping. Especially if Grant is working with tubes and/or lugs he's not so accustomed to, he'll want to build up a couple and make sure they are still Rivs. The last thing he needs is to have a bike out there that doesn't live up to the name, no matter what price. There may certainly be a trip or two to Taiwan in there. And I recall a couple of stories where even after all the drawings and meetings and whatnot a prototype shows up that's still not right. Best to manage our expectations and say a year. - Pete in CT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/JZygg_343CcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Long distance clothing choices
Say hello to me as I ride this on the STP, slowly, staying away from the pacelines and the other yahoos http://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/2776566716/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/hRf8JVezPxQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Long distance clothing choices
Say hello as you pass me on the STP. I'll be riding slowly, probably wearing similar duds to these, and will be avoiding the pacelines and dodging the yahoos http://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/2776566716/ Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/rYw0OtSRDwMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] The New Riv
I had my erstwhile Herse powdercoated by someone accustomed to doing bikes and it was beautiful. Yes, thicker around the lugs than paint if you looked closely, but really not noticeable unless you expected to find it. Heck, it may well have been nicer than the original paint, which was pretty intact before the job -- tho' this paint may itself not have been original, of course. I'd not hesitate to have this man do my commuter Riv -- and just might do that, curly lugs and all, one day. On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: You think powder coated to save cash too? It can be done nice for alot cheaper than wet. You do lose some definition around lugs but for a beater shouldn't be an issue. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: The New Riv
On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:00:45 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: Beater Rivendell? I thought all Rivendells are suppose to be ridden to the ground? Well, yeah. Which is why some aspects of this development make me scratch my head. Cheap? $1,400 ain't cheap if you're an hourly-wage worker. It isn't even affordable. Perhaps find a different word. Value-packed, maybe. My shop does this with Surly Big Dummy frames. We build them up with a smart combination of new and used parts to keep the total price under $2,000. This is how you make bicycle transportation more affordable and more accessible. While I applaud RBW's stance on avoiding stuff made in China, I predict that this will become harder and harder to do -- and in a relatively short time. And when that happens, further developments at RBW will be interesting to watch. Off to ride my BGR (Beautiful Green Riv) -- further into the ground. Cheers --Beth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/JtO_wsfK12UJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Betties and Sams and paint choices
Can anyone explain to me (I know, I should write Grant) why the Sam has gone through 4 gorgeous paint choices (the only one I didn't like was the original green, but only because of the gold decals; too much like a pimped Lexus), and Betty is still on her first (not terrible) paint job. True, there is Ives Gomez, but he sports the same IMHO tasteless gold decals. This seems even stranger because of the perceived notion that color has a much larger influence in women's bike buying decisions. Lest I be accused of prejudice, my own wife and several female friends have confirmed this (I know, small sample size). Why do I care? I have been wanting to buy my wife a Betty Foy for a while, and she actually wants one, but she pretty much hates the color, nor does she like black and gold. Upon asking her what color she DOES like, she can't actually give an answer beyond I'd have to look at a bunch of bikes. Oh well, at least she knows what she dislikes, and I am not among them. Nonetheless, I have a feeling that she is not alone, and that switching Betty's color every couple of re-orders would increase sales, as it would increase the color choices over time, and might also lead to the-red-ones-are-going-away-get-yours-now-type sales. If the Betty came in a color my wife liked, and that color was going away, I would have bought one already. Cheers, Gernot Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betties and Sams and paint choices
And yes, she could of course get a custom paint job, but her last bike was $120 new (Raleigh women's, see http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2011/cc830-gernothuber0711.html) and the stock Betty Foy frame is already more than either of us earn in a month. We could *afford* it, but it's a difficult to justify expense. Gernot On Jul 4, 10:09 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone explain to me (I know, I should write Grant) why the Sam has gone through 4 gorgeous paint choices (the only one I didn't like was the original green, but only because of the gold decals; too much like a pimped Lexus), and Betty is still on her first (not terrible) paint job. True, there is Ives Gomez, but he sports the same IMHO tasteless gold decals. This seems even stranger because of the perceived notion that color has a much larger influence in women's bike buying decisions. Lest I be accused of prejudice, my own wife and several female friends have confirmed this (I know, small sample size). Why do I care? I have been wanting to buy my wife a Betty Foy for a while, and she actually wants one, but she pretty much hates the color, nor does she like black and gold. Upon asking her what color she DOES like, she can't actually give an answer beyond I'd have to look at a bunch of bikes. Oh well, at least she knows what she dislikes, and I am not among them. Nonetheless, I have a feeling that she is not alone, and that switching Betty's color every couple of re-orders would increase sales, as it would increase the color choices over time, and might also lead to the-red-ones-are-going-away-get-yours-now-type sales. If the Betty came in a color my wife liked, and that color was going away, I would have bought one already. Cheers, Gernot Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
Unfortunately everyone cant own a Rivendell, it is a bit of a luxury item but one that is beautiful and functional. So unlike a set of earrings or a new watch you can actually do something with a 2k Rivendell. This new project will at least lower that cost restriction but it will still be insane for the Xmart crowd and those who get 30 year old racing bikes for 200 bucks off of CL but if does help to bring them into the fold. Looking at the site they have a complete Simpleone for $1,400 which they said is about thier target on this new bike. I suppose if you used cheaper tubing and did a solid color powdercoat you could get some microshift stuff on there for around the same price point. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:00:45 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: Beater Rivendell? I thought all Rivendells are suppose to be ridden to the ground? Well, yeah. Which is why some aspects of this development make me scratch my head. Cheap? $1,400 ain't cheap if you're an hourly-wage worker. It isn't even affordable. Perhaps find a different word. Value-packed, maybe. My shop does this with Surly Big Dummy frames. We build them up with a smart combination of new and used parts to keep the total price under $2,000. This is how you make bicycle transportation more affordable and more accessible. While I applaud RBW's stance on avoiding stuff made in China, I predict that this will become harder and harder to do -- and in a relatively short time. And when that happens, further developments at RBW will be interesting to watch. Off to ride my BGR (Beautiful Green Riv) -- further into the ground. Cheers --Beth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/JtO_wsfK12UJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Betties and Sams and paint choices
I remember reading back when it was introduced that there were prototype colors, one that was more of green like the new Hunq unless I am just losing my mind. Maybe ask if they have anything in the old mysterious attic? On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: And yes, she could of course get a custom paint job, but her last bike was $120 new (Raleigh women's, see http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2011/cc830-gernothuber0711.html) and the stock Betty Foy frame is already more than either of us earn in a month. We could *afford* it, but it's a difficult to justify expense. Gernot On Jul 4, 10:09 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone explain to me (I know, I should write Grant) why the Sam has gone through 4 gorgeous paint choices (the only one I didn't like was the original green, but only because of the gold decals; too much like a pimped Lexus), and Betty is still on her first (not terrible) paint job. True, there is Ives Gomez, but he sports the same IMHO tasteless gold decals. This seems even stranger because of the perceived notion that color has a much larger influence in women's bike buying decisions. Lest I be accused of prejudice, my own wife and several female friends have confirmed this (I know, small sample size). Why do I care? I have been wanting to buy my wife a Betty Foy for a while, and she actually wants one, but she pretty much hates the color, nor does she like black and gold. Upon asking her what color she DOES like, she can't actually give an answer beyond I'd have to look at a bunch of bikes. Oh well, at least she knows what she dislikes, and I am not among them. Nonetheless, I have a feeling that she is not alone, and that switching Betty's color every couple of re-orders would increase sales, as it would increase the color choices over time, and might also lead to the-red-ones-are-going-away-get-yours-now-type sales. If the Betty came in a color my wife liked, and that color was going away, I would have bought one already. Cheers, Gernot Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FT: Nitto Noodle Bar 42 cm (26.0 clamp diameter)
Hi iBOBS, Looking to trade a Nitto Noodle bar 42cm (purchased from Riv) for a Nitto Moustache bar (26.0 clamp diameter). Also, have a Surly Torsion bar if interested Please reply off list. Thanks! Sean O'Bryan Austin, TX -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/aTbmUJTy5IMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately everyone cant own a Rivendell, it is a bit of a luxury item but one that is beautiful and functional. So unlike a set of earrings or a new watch you can actually do something with a 2k Rivendell. This new project will at least lower that cost restriction but it will still be insane for the Xmart crowd and those who get 30 year old racing bikes for 200 bucks off of CL but if does help to bring them into the fold. Looking at the site they have a complete Simpleone for $1,400 which they said is about thier target on this new bike. I suppose if you used cheaper tubing and did a solid color powdercoat you could get some microshift stuff on there for around the same price point. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:00:45 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: Beater Rivendell? I thought all Rivendells are suppose to be ridden to the ground? Well, yeah. Which is why some aspects of this development make me scratch my head. Cheap? $1,400 ain't cheap if you're an hourly-wage worker. It isn't even affordable. Perhaps find a different word. Value-packed, maybe. My shop does this with Surly Big Dummy frames. We build them up with a smart combination of new and used parts to keep the total price under $2,000. This is how you make bicycle transportation more affordable and more accessible. While I applaud RBW's stance on avoiding stuff made in China, I predict that this will become harder and harder to do -- and in a relatively short time. And when that happens, further developments at RBW will be interesting to watch. Off to ride my BGR (Beautiful Green Riv) -- further into the ground. Cheers --Beth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/JtO_wsfK12UJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
+1 on all that, especially horizontal drops On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately everyone cant own a Rivendell, it is a bit of a luxury item but one that is beautiful and functional. So unlike a set of earrings or a new watch you can actually do something with a 2k Rivendell. This new project will at least lower that cost restriction but it will still be insane for the Xmart crowd and those who get 30 year old racing bikes for 200 bucks off of CL but if does help to bring them into the fold. Looking at the site they have a complete Simpleone for $1,400 which they said is about thier target on this new bike. I suppose if you used cheaper tubing and did a solid color powdercoat you could get some microshift stuff on there for around the same price point. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:00:45 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: Beater Rivendell? I thought all Rivendells are suppose to be ridden to the ground? Well, yeah. Which is why some aspects of this development make me scratch my head. Cheap? $1,400 ain't cheap if you're an hourly-wage worker. It isn't even affordable. Perhaps find a different word. Value-packed, maybe. My shop does this with Surly Big Dummy frames. We build them up with a smart combination of new and used parts to keep the total price under $2,000. This is how you make bicycle transportation more affordable and more accessible. While I applaud RBW's stance on avoiding stuff made in China, I predict that this will become harder and harder to do -- and in a relatively short time. And when that happens, further developments at RBW will be interesting to watch. Off to ride my BGR (Beautiful Green Riv) -- further into the ground. Cheers --Beth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/JtO_wsfK12UJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: The New Riv
$1400 isn't a huge premium over the CrossCheck and Long Haul Trucker completes, which I would suggest are eating away at the bottom of the Rivendell market. The LHT is SO common here in Philly, built up straight from Surly. I think the are a lot of folks who could be upsold a couple hundred dollars to get lugs, Riv name, etc. My questions: - 1 or 1 1/8? - Dropouts - horizontal to also do SS builds? - Kickstand plate? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/oBc5c5NXv6QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Interesting apercus on bike fit and design by aging racer
http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/ Dave Moulton has put 150 miles on his new Fuso, his former model name, made by an expert who took over the make. Now Dave is a lot older than I -- he was born in 1936, so almost 20 years older -- and it is very interesting to me at least to see what a man in his mid 70s will choose for riding longish distances comfortably. (Note: I am not slyly advocating, far from it; rather noting that even hard core racers eventually raise their bars and use Brooks saddles. His Fuso looks very appealing to me -- well, I'd have to get rid of the Brooks.) Me, I am starting to hanker for lower climbing gears for days when I want just to toodle around on a hot day on something less porcine than the (note: very fun nevertheless) Fargo. I have a Surly QR axle replacement for the '03 (from Jim at Hiawatha) that I need to get installed so that I have a much more easily flip/flopped wheel; then I need a half link (hope my brother remembers to bring one out next week) so that can use the entire length of the Campy 1010s and install a Dingle on the far side. This will give me 16/17-20 gearing, not so much for shifting on the run, but for shifting before the run to a choice of 68 or 58 in addition to the 72. Even better, when I have the money, perhaps getting another wheel built up with SA's kickback coaster brake hub -- and an S3X wheel for the '99. If I had all the money I'd get a Roadeo or, perhaps even more desirable, a used Ram or Heron. I don't want to invest in a road multispeed that is not in at least within the outer edges of he the penumbra of the Rivs' league. Speaking of toodling: I have been very surprised how easy it is to toodle even in the '03's 72 gear -- as long as you go slowly enough. My problem is warmup: it's hard to warm up in a 72 when you have to start the ride into a strong south wind or up a hill. I no longer have computers on my bikes, but I used to enjoy seeing how slowly I could go in a given fixed gear: I used to momentarily drop below 4 mph on the erstwhile Motobecan, loaded, up one very steep hill -- below 20 rpm in the 67 gear. Still, a 50 or 45 gear for hills or winds easier. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betties and Sams and paint choices
I was in a similar position as you, Earl. The wife was skeptical of a Riv because of cost (her $400 Kona - actually $600 after adding fenders, racks, and new seat - was her most expensive bike to date), and she wasn't a huge fan of the color. We have family in CA so were able to go by Riv HQ on a trip to visit the fam. She got over the cost hump by riding one and seeing the craftsmanship/details of the Betty firsthand (she instantly fell in love with it). Once she loved the ride and general aesthetic of Betty, the obvious choice was to get a custom color. Vince was a trooper to bring out frame after frame from the attic until she found the color she wanted. The color she ended up picking was the original Sam Hillborne green w/ cream details.https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jLOL1qDlVSId6zim3LQ-wNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlinkI know what you mean about the SH green w/gold decals but it's a completely different look with cream HT, accents, decals. I know this doesn't really address your Q about why the color doesn't change from batch to batch. I'm not privy to that info. I also see that your signature indicates that you're overseas, so a trip to Riv HQ may not be as easy. FWIW... We've had Big Betty a little over a year and the wife still adores it and loves to ride it. good luck. --Andy On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:09:19 AM UTC-7, Earl Grey wrote: Can anyone explain to me (I know, I should write Grant) why the Sam has gone through 4 gorgeous paint choices (the only one I didn't like was the original green, but only because of the gold decals; too much like a pimped Lexus), and Betty is still on her first (not terrible) paint job. True, there is Ives Gomez, but he sports the same IMHO tasteless gold decals. This seems even stranger because of the perceived notion that color has a much larger influence in women's bike buying decisions. Lest I be accused of prejudice, my own wife and several female friends have confirmed this (I know, small sample size). Why do I care? I have been wanting to buy my wife a Betty Foy for a while, and she actually wants one, but she pretty much hates the color, nor does she like black and gold. Upon asking her what color she DOES like, she can't actually give an answer beyond I'd have to look at a bunch of bikes. Oh well, at least she knows what she dislikes, and I am not among them. Nonetheless, I have a feeling that she is not alone, and that switching Betty's color every couple of re-orders would increase sales, as it would increase the color choices over time, and might also lead to the-red-ones-are-going-away-get-yours-now-type sales. If the Betty came in a color my wife liked, and that color was going away, I would have bought one already. Cheers, Gernot Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/9NXMSf9jyjMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: The New Riv
On Jul 3, 10:00 pm, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: Beater Rivendell? I thought all Rivendells are suppose to be ridden to the ground? Manny: You can't ride a Riv to the ground; they're just too tough. You can wear out a lot of parts, tear up the paint pretty bad; dent it here'n'there, but as to seriously rendering it non-ridable / non- fixable / only-good-to-recycle, you'd have to crash hard enough to bend multiple tubes. There's a series of photos, maybe in the Atlantis gallery, of one a guy had ridden all over the world. The shot that stands in my mind was taken in Morocco. The bike looked to be on it's last legs visually. Subsequent photos show a brand new looking bike after re- paint. You could probably neglect one into a condition where it would look like a beater, but all the good components would still work, and the nice lugs headtube paint would give it away. dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Betties and Sams and paint choices
I wish Rivendell would keep one of their amazing orange colors in the rotation as long as the Atlantis color. Ram orange, QB orange, Sam orange, all memorable. I understand technical problems made the Ram orange impossible over time, but too quick was the move from that orange Sam. Anytime I see one, I smile. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone explain to me (I know, I should write Grant) why the Sam has gone through 4 gorgeous paint choices (the only one I didn't like was the original green, but only because of the gold decals; too much like a pimped Lexus), and Betty is still on her first (not terrible) paint job. True, there is Ives Gomez, but he sports the same IMHO tasteless gold decals. This seems even stranger because of the perceived notion that color has a much larger influence in women's bike buying decisions. Lest I be accused of prejudice, my own wife and several female friends have confirmed this (I know, small sample size). Why do I care? I have been wanting to buy my wife a Betty Foy for a while, and she actually wants one, but she pretty much hates the color, nor does she like black and gold. Upon asking her what color she DOES like, she can't actually give an answer beyond I'd have to look at a bunch of bikes. Oh well, at least she knows what she dislikes, and I am not among them. Nonetheless, I have a feeling that she is not alone, and that switching Betty's color every couple of re-orders would increase sales, as it would increase the color choices over time, and might also lead to the-red-ones-are-going-away-get-yours-now-type sales. If the Betty came in a color my wife liked, and that color was going away, I would have bought one already. Cheers, Gernot Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
Agreed. Verticals are so much nicer on a derailler bike, and you never have to worry about wheel slippage when using QR. -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
Heartily agreed, steve. -sv On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: The New Riv
I admire the desire for sure but I am scratching my head ... First even if that can build a prototype for $1400 the real bike will be more like $1600-1800. I base this on the their history of introducing frames at a price but they go up very quickly. Look at the Atlantis and Bombadil for example lol. I know nothing of the economics of pricing a frame and labor costs and all that but from what I've seen Riv frames have increased substantially compared to any other steel frames over the last 10 years. Myself it doesn't matter where they are made and don't care for the argument of why it costs more to be built wherever. Just ask what you want for the frames and be proud of it , however you want to do it. No need to justify it. Those that are happy to pay will do so. Second. Compete with the LHT ? That's a very tough sell. Most people don't know what a lug is, let alone prefer them ! While I like lugs too, I'd have no qualms over buying a frame without them well. Lugs are not infallible ... the workmanship is what matters most... to me. You also have the Surly name brand name matters ... like it or not. When you say Surly some people react like in the 70's with a Beetle AWW I want one too :) just because it's perceived as something special. Third, Parts. A less expensive crankset is needed. Taiwan has some decent ones... Andel brand comes to mind. That's what Surly uses on many of their bikes now in doubles and triples. Wheels would have to be machine built of course ... but they *can* be good, it just depends on the machine I suppose. Cheaper Kalloy seatposts ... saddles .. stems bars ... all would be in the cards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cE_CLmOGp2sJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
Bah, horizontal drops worked well for decades and the give the option to go SS or internal, why not have options? Setting a wheel straight in a dropout takes about 30 seconds. On Jul 4, 2012 1:19 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Agreed. Verticals are so much nicer on a derailler bike, and you never have to worry about wheel slippage when using QR. -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betties and Sams and paint choices
That's funny about the o.g. green and gold Hillborne- my gf loved that color at first sight, and she barely looked at the orange one they had right beside it at Harris... she ended up getting the green one. I have to admit I am partial to the original yellowish green with gold decals too, though the orange was cool. It doesn't look 'pimped out' or gaudy to me at all but rather more subdued than the metallic orange. Matt On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 12:27:30 PM UTC-4, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: I was in a similar position as you, Earl. The wife was skeptical of a Riv because of cost (her $400 Kona - actually $600 after adding fenders, racks, and new seat - was her most expensive bike to date), and she wasn't a huge fan of the color. We have family in CA so were able to go by Riv HQ on a trip to visit the fam. She got over the cost hump by riding one and seeing the craftsmanship/details of the Betty firsthand (she instantly fell in love with it). Once she loved the ride and general aesthetic of Betty, the obvious choice was to get a custom color. Vince was a trooper to bring out frame after frame from the attic until she found the color she wanted. The color she ended up picking was the original Sam Hillborne green w/ cream details.https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jLOL1qDlVSId6zim3LQ-wNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlinkI know what you mean about the SH green w/gold decals but it's a completely different look with cream HT, accents, decals. I know this doesn't really address your Q about why the color doesn't change from batch to batch. I'm not privy to that info. I also see that your signature indicates that you're overseas, so a trip to Riv HQ may not be as easy. FWIW... We've had Big Betty a little over a year and the wife still adores it and loves to ride it. good luck. --Andy On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:09:19 AM UTC-7, Earl Grey wrote: Can anyone explain to me (I know, I should write Grant) why the Sam has gone through 4 gorgeous paint choices (the only one I didn't like was the original green, but only because of the gold decals; too much like a pimped Lexus), and Betty is still on her first (not terrible) paint job. True, there is Ives Gomez, but he sports the same IMHO tasteless gold decals. This seems even stranger because of the perceived notion that color has a much larger influence in women's bike buying decisions. Lest I be accused of prejudice, my own wife and several female friends have confirmed this (I know, small sample size). Why do I care? I have been wanting to buy my wife a Betty Foy for a while, and she actually wants one, but she pretty much hates the color, nor does she like black and gold. Upon asking her what color she DOES like, she can't actually give an answer beyond I'd have to look at a bunch of bikes. Oh well, at least she knows what she dislikes, and I am not among them. Nonetheless, I have a feeling that she is not alone, and that switching Betty's color every couple of re-orders would increase sales, as it would increase the color choices over time, and might also lead to the-red-ones-are-going-away-get-yours-now-type sales. If the Betty came in a color my wife liked, and that color was going away, I would have bought one already. Cheers, Gernot Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/2oWPhS9msu0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 13:22 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: Bah, horizontal drops worked well for decades and the give the option to go SS or internal, why not have options? Setting a wheel straight in a dropout takes about 30 seconds. Horizontal dropouts NEVER worked well. They worked lousy, and they slipped even with the good style quick releases -- and these days, the good style quick releases are getting scarce. Why should most of us suffer so that a tiny handful have the option to remove the supplied drive train on this bargain basement Riv and pay extra to install an internal gear hub? On Jul 4, 2012 1:19 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Agreed. Verticals are so much nicer on a derailler bike, and you never have to worry about wheel slippage when using QR. -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch +unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch +unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
I would embrace horizontal dropouts too. I've never had an issue with one since the 70's ... ever . Vertical I have had issues. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/yYCtyOD8dXkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be deprived of the cheapest Rivendell? Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one with an ENO and one with replacement 1010s. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Heartily agreed, steve. -sv On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
Steve: First, no one who is competent ever had more than 1/2 second's drawback putting a derailleur wheel into horizontal dropouts. Second, as to the argument from who is to suffer for others' convenience, that is surely a double edged sword and reduces to I want versus they want. As to the availability of sturdy, steel internal-cam QRs, if all the cheap MTB and second bike boom road bike QRs disappear off the market, Riv can source them from some obscure Shanghai maker and add them to the build kit for those who (strangely) want derailleurs * for a sizable premium. * Why would you want to mar, disfigure, upset, compromise, handicap, uglify and depreciate a **Rivendell** -- even the cheapest!! -- with a (gawd-DAMN!!) derailleur??!! On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Horizontal dropouts NEVER worked well. They worked lousy, and they slipped even with the good style quick releases -- and these days, the good style quick releases are getting scarce. Why should most of us suffer so that a tiny handful have the option to remove the supplied drive train on this bargain basement Riv and pay extra to install an internal gear hub? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal drops, never an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and I am 240 and rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options are nice, especially if they want to get a broad audience. On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be deprived of the cheapest Rivendell? Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one with an ENO and one with replacement 1010s. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Heartily agreed, steve. -sv On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Betties and Sams and paint choices
Re replacement colors: does anyone have specifics about a close 'nuff touchup for Riv's Sage Green? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: The New Riv
From the e-mail, it sounds as if this will be for complete builds only but if Rivendell offered a frameset I might be interested. I would consider paying a small premium over a Surly or Soma for a Rivendell. I'm building up an older frame with a nice selection of parts so a complete bike isn't really of interest to me. On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:01:19 AM UTC-5, justin...@gmail.com wrote: $1400 isn't a huge premium over the CrossCheck and Long Haul Trucker completes, which I would suggest are eating away at the bottom of the Rivendell market. The LHT is SO common here in Philly, built up straight from Surly. I think the are a lot of folks who could be upsold a couple hundred dollars to get lugs, Riv name, etc. My questions: - 1 or 1 1/8? - Dropouts - horizontal to also do SS builds? - Kickstand plate? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/8X3dVkP3D5kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
+1 for no problems with horiz. dropouts and QRs. I certainly haven't had any issues with slippage on my quickbeam with the stock Suzue QR hub, and I've really stomped on the pedals sometimes. BUT, I do like vertical dropouts nonetheless, since they are just that much easier when you're fixing a flat or what not since the wheel is aligned as soon as you drop it in.If you want to make a SS/fixie, you have eccentric hubs. On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 1:42:31 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: 20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal drops, never an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and I am 240 and rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options are nice, especially if they want to get a broad audience. On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be deprived of the cheapest Rivendell? Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one with an ENO and one with replacement 1010s. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Heartily agreed, steve. -sv On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/gh3WEfWNWRoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even heard of some reputable people struggle with it. We're capable of functioning with horizontals, but as Steve said, they can be a pain. - Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: 20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal drops, never an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and I am 240 and rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options are nice, especially if they want to get a broad audience. On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be deprived of the cheapest Rivendell? Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one with an ENO and one with replacement 1010s. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Heartily agreed, steve. -sv On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Marathon Supreme tire pair - under 100 miles
Funny, I just bought a pair of Supremes in this size to replace the 32s I'm running now. I wanted the next bigger size too. Wonder if there are 40s in my future. Jay On Jul 4, 6:36 am, Shifty 1upand1d...@gmail.com wrote: 2012 Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700 x 35mm, Kevlar folding bead. Less than 100 miles. I love these tires and want next bigger size. Sell for $110 CONUS. Mileage is honest and zero flats, manufacturing nubs all in place. DSC_0005.jpg 125KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. you have eccentric hubs Let us eat cake! On Jul 4, 2012 2:06 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even heard of some reputable people struggle with it. We're capable of functioning with horizontals, but as Steve said, they can be a pain. - Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: 20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal drops, never an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and I am 240 and rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options are nice, especially if they want to get a broad audience. On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be deprived of the cheapest Rivendell? Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one with an ENO and one with replacement 1010s. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Heartily agreed, steve. -sv On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
I used an ENO on my first (1994) Riv custom and found that the brake bridge was low enough that my 32 mm tire would rub the fender under said bridge unless I took the trouble to rotate the hub *downward* when uptaking chain slack -- an operation that I personally judge to be 25.97865473% harder than installing a wheel straight into horizontal dropouts on a derailleur bike. (On another, non-Riv ENO conversion, I discovered that the ENO's takeup would not extend to three teeth, while at the same time discovering that it did extend to marginalizing the rear brake pads unless I fiddled with a compromise placement.) On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. you have eccentric hubs Let us eat cake! On Jul 4, 2012 2:06 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even heard of some reputable people struggle with it. We're capable of functioning with horizontals, but as Steve said, they can be a pain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:39 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: * Why would you want to mar, disfigure, upset, compromise, handicap, uglify and depreciate a **Rivendell** -- even the cheapest!! -- with a (gawd-DAMN!!) derailleur??!! You do realize the bike in question will come delivered with derailleurs, according to the Riv blog? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
The question stands. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:39 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: * Why would you want to mar, disfigure, upset, compromise, handicap, uglify and depreciate a **Rivendell** -- even the cheapest!! -- with a (gawd-DAMN!!) derailleur??!! You do realize the bike in question will come delivered with derailleurs, according to the Riv blog? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
I'm a giant fan of fixed gear bikes, but I'm tired of horizontal dropouts. If a bike is made for derailleurs, vertical makes more sense. I might prefer verticals all around, and use an eccentric ENO hub. Most of my aspirational bikes come with Phil eccentric bottom brackets to get the advantage of verticality. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:54:17 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:39 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: * Why would you want to mar, disfigure, upset, compromise, handicap, uglify and depreciate a **Rivendell** -- even the cheapest!! -- with a (gawd-DAMN!!) derailleur??!! You do realize the bike in question will come delivered with derailleurs, according to the Riv blog? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/gqNAi1eGxqUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: tricky rack mounting
Spent some time thinking about that while riding along yesterday, looking at it... You're correct; I could move the L-bracket from the back to the front, it appears that that would align the front of the fender w/ one of the rack's cross-bars; however, it would still be short, I would still need to come up w/ an extension from that cross-bar forward anyway; but, it would also raise the back/bottom of the fender, where I'd rather keep it down where it is. So, I think I'll keep the L on the back, and just come up w/ an extension that goes from further back... On Sunday, July 1, 2012 12:28:32 PM UTC-4, Earl Grey wrote: I assume your front fender has an L-bracket which you placed behind the fork crown? You might be able to place it in front of the crown, which would gain you an inch or so. Perhaps not enough to bother... Gernot On Jul 1, 7:58 pm, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: I've got aluminum fenders on my Ram from VO; I like them, but they weren't fun to mount, as I was fitting them over 32's. They're long; however, I don't think VO carries the anodized aluminum anymore... This is the first time I've used the SKS/Esge fenders; they seem fine, I'm just short in the front from where I want it. This is a 650b bike, and I'm running the fattest tires I can find on it, am using the P65 ones. Some elegant solution will arise, I just need to keep mulling it over and give it time... -L On Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:30:36 PM UTC-4, Earl Grey wrote: I like the Carradice Super Cs I just got. Haven't used them yet, but seem well-built and simple, but with a good (Ortlieb-like) attachment system. Not too expensive, either. Order from Wiggle in the UK. Or you could go with aluminum fenders. I switched almost all my bikes in the last couple of years. Even these disappointingly short ones from VO (went on sale shortly after I bought them) give almost full frontal coverage: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gernothuber/7247322734/in/photostream/ Gernot On Jul 1, 9:09 am, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: PS: definitely agree on the longer fender bit... Either need to find someone w/ a broken bit to add as an extension, or perhaps get a second rear fender and put it on the front, or some such... Or cobble up something else... Regardless, yes, I concur, a fender extension under there is needed... -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/2iEBhDn8EPgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Wider Mustache?
What do you mean by Mustache style? You can certainly turn the albatross bars upside down so there is less (actually negative) rise, but you will still have to use the mountain bike type brake levers on it, whereas the Moustache bar uses road levers. If you used a stem with longer reach maybe that would straighten your arms out a bit just like wider bar would. Maybe that could give you the feel of a wider bar...? I've never tried that - just brainstorming here. Aaron Y. Currently in Utah while en route to Vancouver, WA from Rochester, NY. On Tuesday, July 3, 2012, rw1911 wrote: I like my Mustache bars, but sometimes wish they were a bit wider. Any options? Can the Alba be setup Mustache style? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comjavascript:; . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:;. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betties and Sams and paint choices
Wow. That Sam green Betty Foy is remarkably beautiful, Andy! Good choice on the decals. I think the stock color on the Betty might be stable for the long haul, since that's shaped up to be their best selling bike after the Atlantis. I love the blue, personally. I saw a similar blue on an MGA yesterday, and it was gorgeous. I agree with James that a constant orange in rotation would be nice. The orange Rivendells are very attractive to me. One of the first Rivendells that caught my attention was a pumpkin-orange 'cross bike, and I love the orange Quickbeams. One day... Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 9:27:30 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: I was in a similar position as you, Earl. The wife was skeptical of a Riv because of cost (her $400 Kona - actually $600 after adding fenders, racks, and new seat - was her most expensive bike to date), and she wasn't a huge fan of the color. We have family in CA so were able to go by Riv HQ on a trip to visit the fam. She got over the cost hump by riding one and seeing the craftsmanship/details of the Betty firsthand (she instantly fell in love with it). Once she loved the ride and general aesthetic of Betty, the obvious choice was to get a custom color. Vince was a trooper to bring out frame after frame from the attic until she found the color she wanted. The color she ended up picking was the original Sam Hillborne green w/ cream details.https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jLOL1qDlVSId6zim3LQ-wNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlinkI know what you mean about the SH green w/gold decals but it's a completely different look with cream HT, accents, decals. I know this doesn't really address your Q about why the color doesn't change from batch to batch. I'm not privy to that info. I also see that your signature indicates that you're overseas, so a trip to Riv HQ may not be as easy. FWIW... We've had Big Betty a little over a year and the wife still adores it and loves to ride it. good luck. --Andy On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:09:19 AM UTC-7, Earl Grey wrote: Can anyone explain to me (I know, I should write Grant) why the Sam has gone through 4 gorgeous paint choices (the only one I didn't like was the original green, but only because of the gold decals; too much like a pimped Lexus), and Betty is still on her first (not terrible) paint job. True, there is Ives Gomez, but he sports the same IMHO tasteless gold decals. This seems even stranger because of the perceived notion that color has a much larger influence in women's bike buying decisions. Lest I be accused of prejudice, my own wife and several female friends have confirmed this (I know, small sample size). Why do I care? I have been wanting to buy my wife a Betty Foy for a while, and she actually wants one, but she pretty much hates the color, nor does she like black and gold. Upon asking her what color she DOES like, she can't actually give an answer beyond I'd have to look at a bunch of bikes. Oh well, at least she knows what she dislikes, and I am not among them. Nonetheless, I have a feeling that she is not alone, and that switching Betty's color every couple of re-orders would increase sales, as it would increase the color choices over time, and might also lead to the-red-ones-are-going-away-get-yours-now-type sales. If the Betty came in a color my wife liked, and that color was going away, I would have bought one already. Cheers, Gernot Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Ur9siY8FjWwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] My new Rivendell with HORIZONTAL dropouts and DOWNTUBE SILVER shifters..
Hi All, Picked this up off one of the lists a couple months and with the helped of Recycled Cycles did one of my fastest builds yet (2 months...my Trek project is pushing a year and a half!!). Took it out on it's maiden voyage this morning. Kind an atypical Riv build these days..fenderless, fairly light, non-threaded headset, etc. I built it up with stuff laying around and some newer mid-level Shimano parts. Ride was fantasticlight, quick, climbed and descended the biggest hills I could find quite nicelyfelt nice. I think we've got sunshine for a few days so hopefully I'll get in a few more rides. Oh and no slippage from shifters or back wheel;). Happy Fourth from Seattle, WA http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157630423425036/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
People PLEASE. If Grant wants to snag some Surly/SOMA buyers with a cheaper Rivendell sold as a complete derailer bike, he's gonna use verticals like they do. If any Riv were a candidate for eccentric dropouts, it would be the HS/Rosco/Bosco, which is not intended to have a front derailer. This not-for-big-hills cruiser is a better candidate for SS or IGH. Joe please produce the Bosco Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:59:55 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: I'm a giant fan of fixed gear bikes, but I'm tired of horizontal dropouts. If a bike is made for derailleurs, vertical makes more sense. I might prefer verticals all around, and use an eccentric ENO hub. Most of my aspirational bikes come with Phil eccentric bottom brackets to get the advantage of verticality. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:54:17 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:39 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: * Why would you want to mar, disfigure, upset, compromise, handicap, uglify and depreciate a **Rivendell** -- even the cheapest!! -- with a (gawd-DAMN!!) derailleur??!! You do realize the bike in question will come delivered with derailleurs, according to the Riv blog? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Pv5Illnoy1kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betties and Sams and paint choices
In ten years when my hunq is ready for a repaint, i am definitely going to go with the orange! (and i love every color that Riv has ever run - the only paint jobs I like a little bit less are the ones without the cream head tube. but the betty doesn't fall into that, the rest of it is awesome. my wife absolutely loves hers). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/wdiwDdWI1dYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: My new Rivendell with HORIZONTAL dropouts and DOWNTUBE SILVER shifters..
WOW. Nice looking bike that! Beautiful build, colors, pictures...time to go ride! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3IPYQl01Q9AJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: My new Rivendell with HORIZONTAL dropouts and DOWNTUBE SILVER shifters..
THAT is a cool iteration of Orange Bike. Very nice! Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 12:33:16 PM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote: Hi All, Picked this up off one of the lists a couple months and with the helped of Recycled Cycles did one of my fastest builds yet (2 months...my Trek project is pushing a year and a half!!). Took it out on it's maiden voyage this morning. Kind an atypical Riv build these days..fenderless, fairly light, non-threaded headset, etc. I built it up with stuff laying around and some newer mid-level Shimano parts. Ride was fantasticlight, quick, climbed and descended the biggest hills I could find quite nicelyfelt nice. I think we've got sunshine for a few days so hopefully I'll get in a few more rides. Oh and no slippage from shifters or back wheel;). Happy Fourth from Seattle, WA http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157630423425036/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Xjjx5yefv0AJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: My new Rivendell with HORIZONTAL dropouts and DOWNTUBE SILVER shifters..
Looks great! You're right, not the typical Riv build but that is basically the setup I'd go for (assuming Grant would let me) if I ordered a custom Riv road. Maybe with 47-57mm reach brakes, though, so I could fit fenders + Ruffy Tuffy's in the winter. On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 12:33:16 PM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote: Hi All, Picked this up off one of the lists a couple months and with the helped of Recycled Cycles did one of my fastest builds yet (2 months...my Trek project is pushing a year and a half!!). Took it out on it's maiden voyage this morning. Kind an atypical Riv build these days..fenderless, fairly light, non-threaded headset, etc. I built it up with stuff laying around and some newer mid-level Shimano parts. Ride was fantasticlight, quick, climbed and descended the biggest hills I could find quite nicelyfelt nice. I think we've got sunshine for a few days so hopefully I'll get in a few more rides. Oh and no slippage from shifters or back wheel;). Happy Fourth from Seattle, WA http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157630423425036/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/yAdBFXRWIDoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
I'm not sure if he said CF can't be repaired..but it is definitely easier to find someone to repair a steel frame in nearly every major city and probably many rural areas too. Brazing or silver soldering it a fairly common skill among many rural dwellers..I even learned it in shop class in high school. CF wasn't invented then and without specific knowledge and specialized materials you are kind of left with a broken bicycle until you can get your frame to a CF repair place. I think this might be Grants perspective more or less and that does make a case for steel over most other materials. On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 1:26:08 PM UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote: On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:03:55 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Also to Grant's point steel can be fixed if it fails while CF cannot. Why does Grant continue to propagate such falsehood. Of course CARBON FIBER FRAMES CAN BE REPAIRED. Grants continued insistance that it can't be fixed makes him look petty and shows that he has no other way of degrading the material to sell his supposedly *superior* steel frames. Note, it can actually be easier and cheaper to repair carbon! Btw, for those of you who don't believe it, CF can easily be repaired and there are several builders who do it. Here's one of the best: http://www.calfeedesign.com/repair/ For photos go here: http://www.calfeedesign.com/repair/repair-examples-photos/ Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZyxzetLvCY8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Long distance clothing choices
For more casual cycling attire I prefer the Smartwool Microweight tee's. http://www.moontrail.com/home.php has them for a good price. for shorts I wear Kuhl Renegade shorts. Longer inseam, stretchy fabric and lotsa pockets. I do wear a cycling liner, like the Pearl Izumi ones for longer rides. ~mike Carlsbad CA. On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 9:21:32 PM UTC-7, Scot Brooks wrote: So the Seattle to Portland ride is coming up (200 miles in 2 days), and I'm kinda thinking about wardrobe. I'm not a spandex guy, and though I wore it for quite awhile some years ago, I just never felt right in it. The farthest I've gotten is running socks, boat shoes (my all time favorite riding footwear), Exofficio undies, and that's it. Running shorts will probably be next thing, which seems like a good choice. I wanted a MUSA short sleeve wool tee shirt, but they're out of mediums. Might end up with a butt-crack tan line if I go the tee shirt route. Anyway, what do you guys and gals wear when distance is the thing? Also, who's going? I'll probably be riding my Sam, but I might break out my newly-built-secret-weapon bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/CB08kCSntewJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. you have eccentric hubs Let us eat cake! LOL! It's a bike Rivendell might offer, that might have vertical dropouts, or might have horizontal ones. Both afford the user options, both have drawbacks. Nobody is shunning/oppressing anybody, I don't think! This is a bicycle forum, so expect some zealotry but don't let it make you feel bad.:) On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 2:35:58 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. you have eccentric hubs Let us eat cake! On Jul 4, 2012 2:06 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even heard of some reputable people struggle with it. We're capable of functioning with horizontals, but as Steve said, they can be a pain. - Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: 20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal drops, never an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and I am 240 and rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options are nice, especially if they want to get a broad audience. On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be deprived of the cheapest Rivendell? Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one with an ENO and one with replacement 1010s. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Heartily agreed, steve. -sv On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this
Re: [RBW] Betties and Sams and paint choices
On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 10:13:53 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: I wish Rivendell would keep one of their amazing orange colors in the rotation as long as the Atlantis color. Ram orange, QB orange, Sam orange, all memorable. I understand technical problems made the Ram orange impossible over time, but too quick was the move from that orange Sam. Anytime I see one, I smile. Agreed. Orange is pretty much the perfect color for a steel bike. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/sJt39vdIAhYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: My new Rivendell with HORIZONTAL dropouts and DOWNTUBE SILVER shifters..
That is a really nice looking bike. Congrats and enjoy! --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/zbc29ACF9ygJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
Haha, it was just a funny comment to me since it came off so patronizing. We all have our perfect bike in our mind and doubtful we would all agree on the same thing but it is fun to discuss our difference in opinions. On Jul 4, 2012 4:50 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. you have eccentric hubs Let us eat cake! LOL! It's a bike Rivendell might offer, that might have vertical dropouts, or might have horizontal ones. Both afford the user options, both have drawbacks. Nobody is shunning/oppressing anybody, I don't think! This is a bicycle forum, so expect some zealotry but don't let it make you feel bad.:) On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 2:35:58 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. you have eccentric hubs Let us eat cake! On Jul 4, 2012 2:06 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even heard of some reputable people struggle with it. We're capable of functioning with horizontals, but as Steve said, they can be a pain. - Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: 20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal drops, never an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and I am 240 and rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options are nice, especially if they want to get a broad audience. On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be deprived of the cheapest Rivendell? Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one with an ENO and one with replacement 1010s. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Heartily agreed, steve. -sv On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.* *com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.** com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.** com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to
Re: [RBW] Betties and Sams and paint choices
On Jul 4, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Mike wrote: On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 10:13:53 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: I wish Rivendell would keep one of their amazing orange colors in the rotation as long as the Atlantis color. Ram orange, QB orange, Sam orange, all memorable. I understand technical problems made the Ram orange impossible over time, but too quick was the move from that orange Sam. Anytime I see one, I smile. Agreed. Orange is pretty much the perfect color for a steel bike. Yep. I'd been trying to rationalize buying the Quickbeam. I'd been thinking that's really the bike for me all through the Coleman Green runs. The day the Orange run was announced, I put down my deposit. Something about that color that just makes me smile. Sun or shade, trail or road, warm setting rays of light or blistering midday sun, I look down and things seem better. - J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] My new Rivendell with HORIZONTAL dropouts and DOWNTUBE SILVER shifters..
Oh. My. NICE! Congrats! That's quite a nice find. One of the great things about the RBW bikes is that you can dress 'em any way you want to. Build 'em up perfect and ride until something else tugs at your aesthetic. Then strip it down and put together all different. Enjoy and experiment! Happy/Safe Fourth! - Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] PRICE REDUCED-FS; Phil, Campy, Mavic, JB 700c Wheelset
WHEN THE TROUT WON'T RISE, REDUCE THE TIPPET! Also for your consideration; Prices Reduced! I have for sale the quality wheelset from my just recently sold 57cm Heron. Front; 700c 36h; vintage late 70's- early 80's Campagnolo Record high flange hub. Cup cone, Campy smooth. Mavic MA3 rim. Campy QR. Excellent used condition. Jack Brown Blue w/ approx 85% life remaining. $175 including oversize Shipping to L48. REDUCED TO $140 Rear; 700c 36h; Phil casette hub, excellent-near new, 130mm. Mavic A719 rim. Generic Shimano-type QR. Sram 12-28 9sp casette. Excellent used condition. Jack Brown Blue w/ approx 70% life remaining. $275 including oversize Shipping to L48. REDUCED TO $220 Set for $350 including oversize Shipping to L48. REDUCED TO $280 Photos and more info at your request; email mschw...@nmsu.edu. Many Thanks! Regards, Marc mschw...@nmsu.edu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Marathon Supreme tire pair - under 100 miles
Jay, The 35 Supremes actually measure 35mm so it depends on what your 32s measure to and more importantly, what they ride like. I like the ride of the Supremes in the short period that I used them. I still prefer the ride of Jack Brown greens (33.33mm) for around town but they seem kind of delicate with loads and offer zero flat protection. My tire size change came about by a switch from Velo Orange to SKS Longboard fenders, the latter which allowed for a greater degree of tire clearance. Your fenders will determine whether you can go bigger too, of course. Happy 4th! On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 1:16:38 PM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: Funny, I just bought a pair of Supremes in this size to replace the 32s I'm running now. I wanted the next bigger size too. Wonder if there are 40s in my future. Jay On Jul 4, 6:36 am, Shifty 1upand1d...@gmail.com wrote: 2012 Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700 x 35mm, Kevlar folding bead. Less than 100 miles. I love these tires and want next bigger size. Sell for $110 CONUS. Mileage is honest and zero flats, manufacturing nubs all in place. DSC_0005.jpg 125KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_LAd6rorR9IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
I've developed a problem w/ horizontals on one of my bikes. Never had a problem before or with other bikes, but it's pretty frustrating and possibly going to be an expensive fix. I foolishly ordered horizontal when I had it built thinking I wanted the option of riding it SS. Mistakes were made, lessons learned... On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:06 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.netwrote: I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even heard of some reputable people struggle with it. We're capable of functioning with horizontals, but as Steve said, they can be a pain. - Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: 20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal drops, never an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and I am 240 and rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options are nice, especially if they want to get a broad audience. On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be deprived of the cheapest Rivendell? Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one with an ENO and one with replacement 1010s. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Heartily agreed, steve. -sv On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
I apologize to Peter for sounding patronizing. Happy 4th of July, everyone. -Jim W. P.S. Just came back from a great sibling/nephew ride in coastal San Diego. It was Hillbornian. Details to follow. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Haha, it was just a funny comment to me since it came off so patronizing. We all have our perfect bike in our mind and doubtful we would all agree on the same thing but it is fun to discuss our difference in opinions. On Jul 4, 2012 4:50 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. you have eccentric hubs Let us eat cake! LOL! It's a bike Rivendell might offer, that might have vertical dropouts, or might have horizontal ones. Both afford the user options, both have drawbacks. Nobody is shunning/oppressing anybody, I don't think! This is a bicycle forum, so expect some zealotry but don't let it make you feel bad.:) On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 2:35:58 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. you have eccentric hubs Let us eat cake! On Jul 4, 2012 2:06 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even heard of some reputable people struggle with it. We're capable of functioning with horizontals, but as Steve said, they can be a pain. - Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: 20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal drops, never an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and I am 240 and rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options are nice, especially if they want to get a broad audience. On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be deprived of the cheapest Rivendell? Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one with an ENO and one with replacement 1010s. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Heartily agreed, steve. -sv On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: [RBW] My new Rivendell with HORIZONTAL dropouts and DOWNTUBE SILVER shifters..
I'd love to know how the original owner got that paint scheme by Grant. Repaint maybe? Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 3:18:48 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: Oh. My. NICE! Congrats! That's quite a nice find. One of the great things about the RBW bikes is that you can dress 'em any way you want to. Build 'em up perfect and ride until something else tugs at your aesthetic. Then strip it down and put together all different. Enjoy and experiment! Happy/Safe Fourth! - Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/TCqErQFcTGIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] My new Rivendell with HORIZONTAL dropouts and DOWNTUBE SILVER shifters..
Beautiful bike, Rob - wow! Brian Hanson On Jul 4, 2012, at 12:33 PM, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi All, Picked this up off one of the lists a couple months and with the helped of Recycled Cycles did one of my fastest builds yet (2 months...my Trek project is pushing a year and a half!!). Took it out on it's maiden voyage this morning. Kind an atypical Riv build these days..fenderless, fairly light, non-threaded headset, etc. I built it up with stuff laying around and some newer mid-level Shimano parts. Ride was fantasticlight, quick, climbed and descended the biggest hills I could find quite nicelyfelt nice. I think we've got sunshine for a few days so hopefully I'll get in a few more rides. Oh and no slippage from shifters or back wheel;). Happy Fourth from Seattle, WA http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157630423425036/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The New Riv
No need to apologize, hope everyone stays safe today. On Jul 4, 2012 6:56 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I apologize to Peter for sounding patronizing. Happy 4th of July, everyone. -Jim W. P.S. Just came back from a great sibling/nephew ride in coastal San Diego. It was Hillbornian. Details to follow. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Haha, it was just a funny comment to me since it came off so patronizing. We all have our perfect bike in our mind and doubtful we would all agree on the same thing but it is fun to discuss our difference in opinions. On Jul 4, 2012 4:50 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. you have eccentric hubs Let us eat cake! LOL! It's a bike Rivendell might offer, that might have vertical dropouts, or might have horizontal ones. Both afford the user options, both have drawbacks. Nobody is shunning/oppressing anybody, I don't think! This is a bicycle forum, so expect some zealotry but don't let it make you feel bad.:) On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 2:35:58 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. you have eccentric hubs Let us eat cake! On Jul 4, 2012 2:06 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even heard of some reputable people struggle with it. We're capable of functioning with horizontals, but as Steve said, they can be a pain. - Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: 20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal drops, never an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and I am 240 and rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options are nice, especially if they want to get a broad audience. On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be deprived of the cheapest Rivendell? Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one with an ENO and one with replacement 1010s. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Heartily agreed, steve. -sv On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive train. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's house. I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups. **com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.* *com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.** com
RE: [RBW] Re: My new Rivendell with HORIZONTAL dropouts and DOWNTUBE SILVER shifters..
Rob- Very nice build! That is my former bike. It originally was the same orange as the panel with cream headtube and fill. I had it repainted and kept the orange in the panel as an homage to its original paint. I had the steer tube re-done because I liked threadless better (gasp!). Here's a link to the original spec sheet if you want to know more about tubing and sizing, etc. Enjoy! I am so happy it's someplace where it's get ridden! Joe Joe Bartoe Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc. email: j...@synapticcycles.com website: www.synapticcycles.com Twitter: @synapticcycles phone: 949-374-6079 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 13:07:45 -0700 From: joerem...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: My new Rivendell with HORIZONTAL dropouts and DOWNTUBE SILVER shifters.. THAT is a cool iteration of Orange Bike. Very nice! Joe BernardVallejo, CA. On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 12:33:16 PM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote:Hi All, Picked this up off one of the lists a couple months and with the helped of Recycled Cycles did one of my fastest builds yet (2 months...my Trek project is pushing a year and a half!!). Took it out on it's maiden voyage this morning. Kind an atypical Riv build these days..fenderless, fairly light, non-threaded headset, etc. I built it up with stuff laying around and some newer mid-level Shimano parts. Ride was fantasticlight, quick, climbed and descended the biggest hills I could find quite nicelyfelt nice. I think we've got sunshine for a few days so hopefully I'll get in a few more rides. Oh and no slippage from shifters or back wheel;). Happy Fourth from Seattle, WA http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157630423425036/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Xjjx5yefv0AJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Betties and Sams and paint choices
And I'm on the opposite end. Purchased the Hillborne because of the green paint. And one of the things that attracted me to the SimpleOne was it was green. And a slime green, to boot. While the QB orange is nice, I personally didn't like the SH orange. Nothing wrong with it, just didn't appeal to me. And maybe that's why the colors change, too many folks like one over another and this gives more choices. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Cyclofiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: On Jul 4, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Mike wrote: On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 10:13:53 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: I wish Rivendell would keep one of their amazing orange colors in the rotation as long as the Atlantis color. Ram orange, QB orange, Sam orange, all memorable. I understand technical problems made the Ram orange impossible over time, but too quick was the move from that orange Sam. Anytime I see one, I smile. Agreed. Orange is pretty much the perfect color for a steel bike. Yep. I'd been trying to rationalize buying the Quickbeam. I'd been thinking that's really the bike for me all through the Coleman Green runs. The day the Orange run was announced, I put down my deposit. Something about that color that just makes me smile. Sun or shade, trail or road, warm setting rays of light or blistering midday sun, I look down and things seem better. - J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: The New Riv
Dropout-style is up to Keven and Brian--as are many-most-maybe all of the other stuff. Fixie fanatics will feel perturbed if it has verticals, and yet the arguments for verticals are good, too---. I will look things over, and have coached K and B minorly in frame design stuff--how to determine drop, how seat tube angle and it affect standover, and just some basics like that, but both are smart, both understand the nature of the bike and goal, and I'm looking forward to it. It may not happen--remember that---after a certain point, if we have to compromise too much to get the price where we want it to be, we'll just say, Not for us and be done with it. We're not exactly going after Surley. We are all Surley fans here, and continue to recommend those bikes--and the Salsa Mariachi, and other relatively low-priced not dumb bikes. The LHT shouldn't be threatened by this bike---it'll be a different deal. Obviously they or any other two half-practical bikes can be set up to do the same stuff, but this is the bike we'd be doing whether or not those neat bikes existed. Good luck, Keven and Brian! On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:24:49 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote: Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a new bike in the works - a truly affordable ($1400) complete bike. Cool stuff. Shipping is going up $1 too. I think i'll live. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BisL8bgy3YkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Swap my 55cm LongLow for your 53cm Atlantis: Last Call
The LongLow in one of the issues of BQ?! I had to beg and plead a friend who I lent that particular issue (two years ago) to just to read that My Favorite Bike. Anyway, I have a 56cm Atlantis frame/fork and wheels (26 wheels) if you decide you can ride something that much bigger than a 53. On Jul 3, 11:09 pm, b hamon periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm putting it out there one more time. I will swap my 55cm square LongLow (built in 1999 by Joe Starck) for yur 53cm Atlantis.I would prefer to swap the framesetsbut would consider a complete bike swap if it makes sense for both of us. beausage abounds on my frame -- it has the original paint and hass seen about 2,000 miles a year or so since 1999 -- so I won't have beausage issues with yours. If no one bites I will clean it up and sell it locally. Please email me OFF list if interested. Thanks and happy riding --Beth Hamon in PDXhttp://www.reverbnation.com/bethhamon http://beth-hamon.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Cool knobbly tires at BG
Pleased to say that the new Rock 'n Roads fit a QuickBeam with adequate clearance at the chainstays. BG is correct when they say the tires are 43mm wide. I have about 1.5 mm clearance on each side, but that will grow when I add two links to the chain, so the widest part of the tire moves back and gets centered in the pocket of the chainstay. Still, it might be too tight for some folks, and I have yet to see if they rub when taking hard corners. They also add 6mm of radius... these are big 'uns! - Andrew, Berkeley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1ZYpPRh9xpIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
Repairability is usually irrelevant. Often when a steel frame breaks or gets crashed, the repair/repaint bill rivals the cost of a new frame. Most people don't go through with it, in my experience. In any case, the percentage of broken frames of any material that get repaired is tiny. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/a1TK1wqdR2wJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betties and Sams and paint choices
Couldn't agree more about the orange Sam. Every time I see one, I smile, and I see one everyday, just by looking straight down. :) And there is actually another orange one Chiang Mai, which my friend Paul bought after seeing mine. Gernot On Jul 5, 12:13 am, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I wish Rivendell would keep one of their amazing orange colors in the rotation as long as the Atlantis color. Ram orange, QB orange, Sam orange, all memorable. I understand technical problems made the Ram orange impossible over time, but too quick was the move from that orange Sam. Anytime I see one, I smile. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone explain to me (I know, I should write Grant) why the Sam has gone through 4 gorgeous paint choices (the only one I didn't like was the original green, but only because of the gold decals; too much like a pimped Lexus), and Betty is still on her first (not terrible) paint job. True, there is Ives Gomez, but he sports the same IMHO tasteless gold decals. This seems even stranger because of the perceived notion that color has a much larger influence in women's bike buying decisions. Lest I be accused of prejudice, my own wife and several female friends have confirmed this (I know, small sample size). Why do I care? I have been wanting to buy my wife a Betty Foy for a while, and she actually wants one, but she pretty much hates the color, nor does she like black and gold. Upon asking her what color she DOES like, she can't actually give an answer beyond I'd have to look at a bunch of bikes. Oh well, at least she knows what she dislikes, and I am not among them. Nonetheless, I have a feeling that she is not alone, and that switching Betty's color every couple of re-orders would increase sales, as it would increase the color choices over time, and might also lead to the-red-ones-are-going-away-get-yours-now-type sales. If the Betty came in a color my wife liked, and that color was going away, I would have bought one already. Cheers, Gernot Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betties and Sams and paint choices
Exactly, so why not change the color occasionally on the one bike that really has no overlap with other Riv models if you like riding in skirts? Gernot On Jul 5, 7:11 am, Eric Platt epericmpl...@gmail.com wrote: And I'm on the opposite end. Purchased the Hillborne because of the green paint. And one of the things that attracted me to the SimpleOne was it was green. And a slime green, to boot. While the QB orange is nice, I personally didn't like the SH orange. Nothing wrong with it, just didn't appeal to me. And maybe that's why the colors change, too many folks like one over another and this gives more choices. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Cyclofiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: On Jul 4, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Mike wrote: On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 10:13:53 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: I wish Rivendell would keep one of their amazing orange colors in the rotation as long as the Atlantis color. Ram orange, QB orange, Sam orange, all memorable. I understand technical problems made the Ram orange impossible over time, but too quick was the move from that orange Sam. Anytime I see one, I smile. Agreed. Orange is pretty much the perfect color for a steel bike. Yep. I'd been trying to rationalize buying the Quickbeam. I'd been thinking that's really the bike for me all through the Coleman Green runs. The day the Orange run was announced, I put down my deposit. Something about that color that just makes me smile. Sun or shade, trail or road, warm setting rays of light or blistering midday sun, I look down and things seem better. - J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscr i...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Betties and Sams and paint choices
If I were Riv, and on my 4,5,6-th reorder of Bettys I wouldnt change a thing. They are obviously selling. If I were Riv and still on my first order of Bettys I wouldn't have had a chance to change anything. Either scenario explains the color. Pete in CT Loving my orange Sam and not orange QB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/TdZZykpR8BQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: My new Rivendell with HORIZONTAL dropouts and DOWNTUBE SILVER shifters..
Rob: That silver orange combo is quite striking. Bikes look so good before we clutter them up with junk to make them utilitarian. That's a bike that would get me to thinking about stuffing all my crapola in jersey pockets. Uh-oh, the ice is gettin' thiin... dougP On Jul 4, 12:33 pm, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi All, Picked this up off one of the lists a couple months and with the helped of Recycled Cycles did one of my fastest builds yet (2 months...my Trek project is pushing a year and a half!!). Took it out on it's maiden voyage this morning. Kind an atypical Riv build these days..fenderless, fairly light, non-threaded headset, etc. I built it up with stuff laying around and some newer mid-level Shimano parts. Ride was fantasticlight, quick, climbed and descended the biggest hills I could find quite nicelyfelt nice. I think we've got sunshine for a few days so hopefully I'll get in a few more rides. Oh and no slippage from shifters or back wheel;). Happy Fourth from Seattle, WA http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157630423425036/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
