[RBW] Re: More Columbia, MD Indian buffet runs...deer, sand hill crane?...lake

[Lungimsam]

Union Bridge is nice. I went through on a perm pop once. Quiet streets. 

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[RBW] Re: More Columbia, MD Indian buffet runs...deer, sand hill crane?...lake

[Lungimsam]

I use a combo of paths and street, but mostly street. I dont think the traffic 
is bad, except for main highways. But I take back neighborhood streets whenever 
possible for shaded, quiet riding.

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Re: Friction shifting 10 speeds with Silver shifters (Was: Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101)

[Justin August]

http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/shifting-freewheels-cassettes/shifters/dia-compe-ene-11s-dt-shifters.html

Plus there's these 11speed friction shifters. 

-Justin

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[RBW] Wow the new grey Cheviots are gorgeous!!!

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

They're all beautiful but man, oh man, those grey ones. And they're the last 
ones for several years! I'm not so sure that I'm going to be able to stop 
myself from buying two of them, a 60cm for me and a 55 for her...I've got no 
room, no parts and still have a tandem coming...I'm feeling faint...

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[RBW] Re: RBW listers in eastern Kansas

[KevinS]

I'm a Riv rider in KC too. I'm in the Brookside area. Let me know if there's a 
KC gathering! 

Kevin

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Re: Friction shifting 10 speeds with Silver shifters (Was: Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101)

[Clayton.sf]

Interesting indeed! Might be time to revisit. 

Another interesting thing is that on Paul thumbing mounts Shimano 8 speed 
barend shifters pull enough cable to sweep the whole cassette 8, 9, or 10 speed 
with a Dynasys rear derailed. But, when mounted on the bar end pods they come 
up short on the outermost cog. 

Seems like it is not so much the shifter rather than the "external" stop that 
limits compatibility for friction shifting mixing and matching road and Dynasys 
components.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sighting in Zurich

[Bill Lindsay]

APPROVE

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 5:19:10 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Good call, actually I think he is 9.  Two years ago he was visiting the 
> states with his family and admired my hat.  I lent it to him, never to get 
> it back.  His mom reports it remains his favorite hat.  Hi name is Felix 
> and he's a great kid.
>
> Michael
>
> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 6:15:36 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Don't be stupid.  That kid looks like he's about 10.  Manny looks like 
>> he's about 14.  
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:13:16 PM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman,central 
>> Colorado wrote:
>>>
>>> Is that Manny?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sighting in Zurich

[Michael Hechmer]

Good call, actually I think he is 9.  Two years ago he was visiting the 
states with his family and admired my hat.  I lent it to him, never to get 
it back.  His mom reports it remains his favorite hat.  Hi name is Felix 
and he's a great kid.

Michael

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 6:15:36 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Don't be stupid.  That kid looks like he's about 10.  Manny looks like 
> he's about 14.  
>
> ;-)
>
> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:13:16 PM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman,central 
> Colorado wrote:
>>
>> Is that Manny?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: More Columbia, MD Indian buffet runs...deer, sand hill crane?...lake

[John G]

The paths in the villages were great for getting to school as a kid, less 
so for commuting to high school and a job as I got older.  Columbia/Howard 
County traffic is very unpleasant on a bike to me now.  Even Frederick is 
getting pretty busy.

You kids get off of my lawn...

John G in Union Bridge, MD

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 3:56:01 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I took some pics over the summer of some more rides to meet my wife at the 
> Indian buffet in Columbia, MD.
>
> It is a nice ride as you get to ride through some of the Columbia villages 
> along the way, and see all the 60'-70's built homes. It is fun to ride 
> through the villages and remember how they were when I was a kid, and to 
> see how the old homes look now. A sunny place in the 1970's, the baby trees 
> that were planted throughout the villages have now grown large and form 
> canopies over many of the streets, for nice and cool shaded rides.
>
> Lakes can be found in each village. Some are obvious and large, some small 
> and tucked away off back streets.
>
> This one along the way is one of the latter that I only discovered over 
> the last year, as it is in a neighborhood tucked away at the end of one of 
> the larger roads.
>
> Anyway, here are some pics. Enjoy! There are also some pics included from 
> last year, too.:
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/310197
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Helmets... what do you like?

[Jame E]

I have this one too. Just got it about 2 months ago.  It replaced a Nutcase 
(not the current Metro line) that was too hot.  This helmet is quite cool 
compared to other helmets and has a classic appeal.  So far so good. The 
only thing I don't like - the clasp is hard to close compared to the 
helmets with the magnet closure.

If you don't need the leather trim, there are other Carrera's that are ~20% 
cheaper in different colors than the Brooks version.

Jame

On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 2:14:22 PM UTC-7, David Hays wrote:
>
> I asked my LBS to order in one of the Brooks Carrera helmets to try it 
> out. They called to say it in and came in on sale.
> Very nice finish and an especial nice fit on my balding head. I’m pleased.
> David
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[RBW] Re: Sam on gravel and brakes

[Brad]

That looks like an amazing ride! From the photos, it looks like it's 
possible that you ended up with the long-pull version of the 
Genevalle brake levers. If that's the case, it would explain the weak brake 
power. 

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 3:01:23 PM UTC-4, twowheeledtexan wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> Thought I could share a couple pics from my first gravel ride on the Sam. 
> Bike road great even despite the 32mm touring tires. With some fatter 
> knobbies it'll be a blast I'm sure. The Tektro 559s do leave something to 
> be desired. Anyone have any experience with Paul centerpulls? Or any other 
> brake with better stopping power and the same clearance? One pic has the 
> Hood Canal and the Olympics in the background, other is Mt. Baker in the 
> distance.
>
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Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101

[John G]

I use a 9sp MTB triple with a small 22 front and 36 rear on my general 
riding and touring bike (Specialized AWOL), and I have found times I would 
have been glad to have a 40 or 42 in back on loose steep and/or very long 
loaded climbs.  So sorry I schlepp too much gear to suit you. I find it 
just right for my needs and wants.  It is certainly possible I could have 
walked these climbs too (and sometimes have), but some have been on tight 
enough trails to make riding more practical than walking.  I think it is 
cool that some folks are using off the shelf items in innovative ways to 
get people riding where they otherwise might not.

John G in Union Bridge, MD

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 11:45:50 PM UTC-4, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> 
>
> 40t cogs are the domain of 1x gearing IMO, unless it is an academic 
> exercise or you are schlepping too much much gear. 22x40 - you would likely 
> be able to walk as fast. And... why not use at triple at that point. 
> Personally I like short cage derailers for dirt or none at all and don't go 
> beyond 36 in a cassette.
>
> 
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Click, click, click ... aaargh

[Patrick Moore]

Or -- this has happened to me more than once -- the aglets of your
shoelaces hitting the crank arm at each revolution.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 4:35 PM, adam leibow  wrote:

> sometimes i hear clicking and it's the crank arm hitting the cable end of
> the front derailer. that's probably not it but it's worth a check.
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 2:55:38 PM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>
>> Requesting the help of you wise list members to stop the clicking from
>> the rear wheel of my Sam Hillborne.
>>
>>

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Re: Friction shifting 10 speeds with Silver shifters (Was: Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101)

[Reed Kennedy]

And yes, I am glad to confirm that the Silver shifters pull plenty of cable
for 10 speed on a standard pull derailleur. Don't know about a Dynasys one.
I'd been planning to try it, but I think I'm gonna abandon that project now
that I have the Velo Routier.

I'll go so far as to say that 10 speed with Silver shifters is my current
favorite drivetrain / shifter setup at the moment. And Cycles Toussaint
liked it well enough to ship it as the stock setup on their complete bikes!


Reed

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Daniel Jackson <
daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My main reason for asking Clayton the question in the other thread was
> just to be sure that the Silvers can actually pull enough cable to work
> with 10 speed. I imagine there is no problem as overall cassette width
> between 10 and 9 speed is negligible.
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[RBW] Re: Which Bikes Should Rivendell Keep? - Survey

[John G]

Google survey appears to load the survey in Czech for me.  Strange. 
 
John G in MD

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:55:09 PM UTC-4, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Here is a link to see the survey responses... up to 75
>
> Survey Results Link 
> 
>
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Re: Friction shifting 10 speeds with Silver shifters (Was: Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101)

[Reed Kennedy]

Good call Daniel! I bet that's why. It had never occurred to me that
a narrower chain and cassette might be beneficial, but here we are. Neat!

I'm happy to leave my other bikes on 8 and 9 speed, though.


Reed

On Friday, September 16, 2016, Daniel Jackson 
wrote:

> This is fascinating - I have heard both that friction shifting 10 sp is
> easier and that its harder than 9 sp. The main reason I've heard for the
> former is that there is less space between gears so you're never "out" of
> gear as you might be on a 9 speed.
>
> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 2:08:41 PM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Clayton.sf  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't use friction with 10 speed. Too fiddly especially when tired.
>>> That is not a function of the type of friction shifter though.
>>>
>>
>> Just a quick counterpoint: I recently bought a Velo Routier. It came
>> stock with Silver shifters, a 10 speed 12-28 cassette, and a Microshift
>> Centos rear derailleur like this one: https://www.amazon.com/mi
>> croSHIFT-Derailleur-RD-R57SE-Bicycle-Compatible/dp/B014L49Z
>> ME/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1474048526=8-3=centos+derailleur
>>
>> I was originally apprehensive about this combination for exactly the
>> reasons Clayton describes. But taking it for a ride, I was surprised how
>> well it worked. It was very difficult to find "bad" shift lever positions.
>> Nine times out of ten whatever position I'd stick the lever in would just
>> find a gear and work great with no trimming. The tenth time I'd just trim a
>> bit. It worked so well I came to really enjoy the downtube shifters.
>>
>> This is markedly different than my other friction bikes which require
>> more active and more frequent trimming (and all have barcons because of
>> it). Perhaps the derailleur is doing something special? Maybe with the
>> floating top pulley? I don't know.
>>
>> I later realized that Fred over on the 650B list rode the same bike
>> (literally the one I later bought) and made a similar observation:
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/650b/6vYkUkoO_l4/T7gcNitEuC4J
>>
>> Last note: This bike and derailleur only have a few hundred miles on
>> them, tops, so I can't speak to the longevity of this Microshift
>> derailleur. But it sure is working great now!
>>
>>
>> Reed
>>
>>
>>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:26:06 AM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:

 Clayton,

 Do you use Silvers to shift your 10 speeds?

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[RBW] Re: Click, click, click ... aaargh

[adam leibow]

sometimes i hear clicking and it's the crank arm hitting the cable end of 
the front derailer. that's probably not it but it's worth a check. 

On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 2:55:38 PM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Requesting the help of you wise list members to stop the clicking from the 
> rear wheel of my Sam Hillborne.
>
> The wheel is an Eno hub expertly laced to an A23 rim by Anthony of 
> Longleaf. Still round and true after 2 years of commuting 60-100 miles/week.
>
> The clicking happens once I hit a certain speed but regardless of whether 
> I am sitting or standing (rule out the saddle and seatpost), pedaling or 
> coasting (rule out chain, crank, freewheel).
>
> Sheldon says it must be coming from loose spokes. But the each pair of 
> same side spokes emit the same tone when plucked, and the wheel is 
> otherwise perfect.
>
> I brought it to my LBS who also says the spokes are not to blame, and 
> wants me to replace the hub bearings.
>
> Is this a reasonable guess? The hubs spin beautifully but the clicking is 
> driving me nuts.
>
> What say you wise ones?
>
> Jay in TLV, where it is not at all simple to procure the common in the US 
> sealed bearings specified by WI, so I would like to be fairly sure before 
> ripping my hubs apart
>
>

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[RBW] Miscellaneous old stuff for sale, not by me

[Patrick Moore]

Stevie's has a caseful of old Shimano and Suntour bits; I noticed today a
Mountech rd, a first gen 600 rd (with the pantographed logo -- outandingly
pretty); a pair of nice Power Ratchets; and a shiny Campy Gran Turismo, the
one that weighs 2 lb and spreads across 64 sq inches of shiny chromed
steel. I hear it was a horror, but for sheer shiny looks it must be worth
something.

I'll be happy to photo and get particulars if anyone is interested, as long
as the shopper is patient.

Patrick Moore, who was surprised, gratified, humbled, and pleased today to
get severely discounted prices for a wheel build and various bits.

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Re: [RBW] XO-2 BB help!

[Joe Bernard]

Yep. The OP may be running into the cable-guide bolt protruding from the 
bottom, too. I've done that a bunch of times. 

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Re: Re: Re: [RBW] Re: tire pressures

[john . hawrylak]

1  Avoiding Tire CollapseThe members who crashed or fell seemed to have pressures 50% below the Berto Pressure.  I chose 25% (or keeping the pressure >= 75% of the Berto Pressure) since it provides margin.  I see it as a Lower Limit I do not wan to be below.2  Supple TiresExperiment with 10% or 15% below the Berto pressure (or 85% to 90% of it) and see if it improves.  You are still above the 25% lower limit.I feel a supple tire would drop 15% at a pressure of 85% to 90% of the Berto Pressure.  The supple tires sound great, but they are not magic.I think Compass is leery of endorsing any pressure except the Mfg Pressure since they are dealer.  If they say, "just the lower the pressure" and someone does, and then crashes due to a collapsed tire, Compass may have liability problemsHope this helps  On 09/15/16, Lungimsam wrote: Thanks for the info and help.This makes an interesting study to see at what percentage underinflation from the Berto recommended pressures correlates with tire collapse. Looks like 25% so far.But I still wonder if Berto chart applies on supple tires with wide rims, as I think I read a BQ blog post ttat stated he used stouter tires on narrower rims for his study.@Steve:I like the 700c. I'll probably, at some point, experiment with 650b but don't know if that will work well. But I'm keeping it 700c for now. It rides great.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/tzq57fP7SZA/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



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[RBW] Re: Sam on gravel and brakes

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I have the 559s on my Sam and have had no problems stopping.I've been riding 
Little Big Bens 38s on and off road and have no complaints.
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[RBW] Re: Sam on gravel and brakes

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I have the 559s on my Sam and have had no problems stopping.I've been riding 
Little Big Bens 38s on and off road and have no complaints.
Jon

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sighting in Zurich

[Bill Lindsay]

Don't be stupid.  That kid looks like he's about 10.  Manny looks like he's 
about 14.  

;-)

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:13:16 PM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
>
> Is that Manny?

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[RBW] Rivendell sighting in Zurich

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Is that Manny?

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[RBW] Rivendell sighting in Zurich

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Is that Manny?

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[RBW] Rivendell sighting in Zurich

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nice! Good spotting Michael!

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Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101

[Steve Palincsar]

Nobody ever said you would.  However, the comment regarding 40T 
sprockets being the domain of 1x gearing was not confined to the context 
of dirt road adventure bikes.


And let's be clear: although neither you nor I are very likely to be 
owners of carbon fiber racing bikes, our friends almost certainly will 
be.  And the time will come when those friends will complain about their 
gearing, to us, because they know we are interested in and knowledgeable 
about, such matters.  And when that time comes, you too will run head on 
into the litany of "you can't get there from here" technological 
obstacles I mentioned, obstacles that I myself ran into trying to help a 
friend in the local bike club.


The friend in question had been to several local shops and they all said 
"It cannot be done.  Period."


Having researched these issues for about 3 weeks, I finally came upon a 
solution, using the Woldtooth Roadlink; she then stumbled onto a shop - 
not so local, but no more than an hour's drive from here - where they do 
a lot of dirt road adventure bikes.  And they came up with the other 
solution, using the Wolftooth Tanpan.


So I figured it would be worth mentioning here, as I expect folks here 
will find themselves in the same situation I did.



On 09/16/2016 05:38 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
I agree. You wouldn't choose a carbon fiber racing bike as the base 
for building a dirt road adventure bike.


On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Clayton.sf > wrote:


Just to clarify,

The way I read the article I it was aimed at touring bikes
(example shows a Hunq) and their appropriate gearing. My response
too was aimed at touring bikes not modern carbon race bikes.
Plenty of triple options for Rivbikes.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA





On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 5:37:24 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar
wrote:


On 09/15/2016 11:45 PM, Clayton.sf wrote:
> 40t cogs are the domain of 1x gearing IMO, unless it is an
academic exercise or you are schlepping too much much gear.
22x40 - you would likely be able to walk as fast. And... why
not use at triple at that point. Personally I like short cage
derailers for dirt or none at all and don't go beyond 36 in a
cassette.

In the carbon frame 11 speed era, increasingly 40T sprockets
are the
only way to get gears in the low 20s.  Triples aren't an
option because
1) there aren't many, if any, made for the type of bottom
brackets used
on carbon road bikes; 2) integrated brake/shift levers don't
do triples
(either at all, in the case of the higher group levels, or very
successfully); 3) even if you could change crank sets you are
still
stuck with a 50T large chain ring on most of these bikes
because the
front derailleur is mounted on a "braze-on" bracket whose
adjustment
slot is made such that you can't lower the front derailleur at
all.
Along with that 50T big ring comes a 34T small ring.

So where does this leave you?  34 x 32 is now the "standard"
low gear,
and the lowest "road" groups offer.  With the 23mm tires these
bikes
have, that's a 28" gear.  If you need lower than that, you've
got to go
to larger sprockets, and the next larger sizes are 36 and 40
which give
you 25" and 22", respectively, and you've got to use one of
the two
Wolftooth devices: Roadlink (which will let that 32T capable
road rear
derailleur accommodate a 36T sprocket) or Tanpan, which will
let you use
a Dynasys rear derailleur, which can handle 40T.

None of this is ideal, in that along with those 36 or 40T large
sprockets you get an 11T 1st position, and 50x11 gives you a
120" top
gear - and what anybody who needs a 25 or 22 inch low is going
to do
with a 120" big gear I cannot imagine.  The next gear down
with these
cassettes is a 50x13 which isn't so bad - 101" - so I imagine
basically
you treat the 1st position sprocket as a spacer and forget you
have 11
back there.

But basically, with those bikes that is all you can do.

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Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101

[Patrick Moore]

I agree. You wouldn't choose a carbon fiber racing bike as the base for
building a dirt road adventure bike.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Clayton.sf  wrote:

> Just to clarify,
>
> The way I read the article I it was aimed at touring bikes (example shows
> a Hunq) and their appropriate gearing. My response too was aimed at touring
> bikes not modern carbon race bikes. Plenty of triple options for Rivbikes.
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 5:37:24 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 09/15/2016 11:45 PM, Clayton.sf wrote:
>> > 40t cogs are the domain of 1x gearing IMO, unless it is an academic
>> exercise or you are schlepping too much much gear. 22x40 - you would likely
>> be able to walk as fast. And... why not use at triple at that point.
>> Personally I like short cage derailers for dirt or none at all and don't go
>> beyond 36 in a cassette.
>>
>> In the carbon frame 11 speed era, increasingly 40T sprockets are the
>> only way to get gears in the low 20s.  Triples aren't an option because
>> 1) there aren't many, if any, made for the type of bottom brackets used
>> on carbon road bikes; 2) integrated brake/shift levers don't do triples
>> (either at all, in the case of the higher group levels, or very
>> successfully); 3) even if you could change crank sets you are still
>> stuck with a 50T large chain ring on most of these bikes because the
>> front derailleur is mounted on a "braze-on" bracket whose adjustment
>> slot is made such that you can't lower the front derailleur at all.
>> Along with that 50T big ring comes a 34T small ring.
>>
>> So where does this leave you?  34 x 32 is now the "standard" low gear,
>> and the lowest "road" groups offer.  With the 23mm tires these bikes
>> have, that's a 28" gear.  If you need lower than that, you've got to go
>> to larger sprockets, and the next larger sizes are 36 and 40 which give
>> you 25" and 22", respectively, and you've got to use one of the two
>> Wolftooth devices: Roadlink (which will let that 32T capable road rear
>> derailleur accommodate a 36T sprocket) or Tanpan, which will let you use
>> a Dynasys rear derailleur, which can handle 40T.
>>
>> None of this is ideal, in that along with those 36 or 40T large
>> sprockets you get an 11T 1st position, and 50x11 gives you a 120" top
>> gear - and what anybody who needs a 25 or 22 inch low is going to do
>> with a 120" big gear I cannot imagine.  The next gear down with these
>> cassettes is a 50x13 which isn't so bad - 101" - so I imagine basically
>> you treat the 1st position sprocket as a spacer and forget you have 11
>> back there.
>>
>> But basically, with those bikes that is all you can do.
>>
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Re: Friction shifting 10 speeds with Silver shifters (Was: Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101)

[Patrick Moore]

I don't know if the road Microshift rd I used was a Centos; I expect not,
because it was several years old and had no big Centos on it. But whatever
it was, it was the very best shifting rd I've ever used, and shifted 9
mismatched with Silver BESs better than the current 8 speed Dura Ace does.

I'm pleased to see that others can shift 10 in friction without problem.
Must try that myself one day.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Reed Kennedy  wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Clayton.sf  wrote:
>
>> I don't use friction with 10 speed. Too fiddly especially when tired.
>> That is not a function of the type of friction shifter though.
>>
>
> Just a quick counterpoint: I recently bought a Velo Routier. It came stock
> with Silver shifters, a 10 speed 12-28 cassette, and a Microshift Centos
> rear derailleur like this one: https://www.amazon.com/
> microSHIFT-Derailleur-RD-R57SE-Bicycle-Compatible/dp/
> B014L49ZME/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1474048526=8-3&
> keywords=centos+derailleur
>
> I was originally apprehensive about this combination for exactly the
> reasons Clayton describes. But taking it for a ride, I was surprised how
> well it worked. It was very difficult to find "bad" shift lever positions.
> Nine times out of ten whatever position I'd stick the lever in would just
> find a gear and work great with no trimming. The tenth time I'd just trim a
> bit. It worked so well I came to really enjoy the downtube shifters.
>
> This is markedly different than my other friction bikes which require more
> active and more frequent trimming (and all have barcons because of it).
> Perhaps the derailleur is doing something special? Maybe with the floating
> top pulley? I don't know.
>
> I later realized that Fred over on the 650B list rode the same bike
> (literally the one I later bought) and made a similar observation:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/650b/6vYkUkoO_l4/T7gcNitEuC4J
>
> Last note: This bike and derailleur only have a few hundred miles on them,
> tops, so I can't speak to the longevity of this Microshift derailleur. But
> it sure is working great now!
>
>
>
>

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Re: Friction shifting 10 speeds with Silver shifters (Was: Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101)

[Lungimsam]

My first Rivendell was a Bleriot with Ultegra groupset and shimano bar 
ends. Shifting was horrible in friction mode with 10 speed cassette. Crisp 
with the SIS function, though. 

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[RBW] Re: More Columbia, MD Indian buffet runs...deer, sand hill crane?...lake

[Lungimsam]

Glad you liked the pics. I will have to do some Laurel ride pics. PM me if 
you like and I'll try to get a shot of where you used to live if you 
remember the address.

I don't know how long ago you lived there, but Laurel has changed a lot. 
Gridlock on Rt.1. Massive population density. Development. Not the small 
town anymore. Well, still small, but busting at the seams. Old city, 
Maryland City, and Montpelier is still in tact though.

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[RBW] Re: More Columbia, MD Indian buffet runs...deer, sand hill crane?...lake

[Lungimsam]

Glad you enjoyed them. Laurel is near Columbia as you know. I will have to 
post some Laurel pics sometime. Here is a Savage run I did, but doesn't 
show much of Savage other than trails. https://flic.kr/s/aHsk6SvZDt

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[RBW] Re: Sam on gravel and brakes

[drew]

I guess my interpretation of stopping power is based on how quickly you stop 
for the same squeeze exertion. I have done no scientific testing. The Paul's 
feel better and feel like they stop quicker and more powerfullynot a ton, 
but some. 
On some steep fire road descents, the 559's slowed me down just fine, but I 
couldn't ever really stop entirely. The Paul's can get me much closer to a full 
stop on the same routes.

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Re: Friction shifting 10 speeds with Silver shifters (Was: Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101)

[Daniel Jackson]

My main reason for asking Clayton the question in the other thread was just 
to be sure that the Silvers can actually pull enough cable to work with 10 
speed. I imagine there is no problem as overall cassette width between 10 
and 9 speed is negligible. 

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Re: Friction shifting 10 speeds with Silver shifters (Was: Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101)

[Daniel Jackson]

This is fascinating - I have heard both that friction shifting 10 sp is 
easier and that its harder than 9 sp. The main reason I've heard for the 
former is that there is less space between gears so you're never "out" of 
gear as you might be on a 9 speed. 

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 2:08:41 PM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Clayton.sf  > wrote:
>
>> I don't use friction with 10 speed. Too fiddly especially when tired. 
>> That is not a function of the type of friction shifter though. 
>>
>
> Just a quick counterpoint: I recently bought a Velo Routier. It came stock 
> with Silver shifters, a 10 speed 12-28 cassette, and a Microshift Centos 
> rear derailleur like this one: 
> https://www.amazon.com/microSHIFT-Derailleur-RD-R57SE-Bicycle-Compatible/dp/B014L49ZME/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1474048526=8-3=centos+derailleur
>
> I was originally apprehensive about this combination for exactly the 
> reasons Clayton describes. But taking it for a ride, I was surprised how 
> well it worked. It was very difficult to find "bad" shift lever positions. 
> Nine times out of ten whatever position I'd stick the lever in would just 
> find a gear and work great with no trimming. The tenth time I'd just trim a 
> bit. It worked so well I came to really enjoy the downtube shifters.
>
> This is markedly different than my other friction bikes which require more 
> active and more frequent trimming (and all have barcons because of it). 
> Perhaps the derailleur is doing something special? Maybe with the floating 
> top pulley? I don't know.
>
> I later realized that Fred over on the 650B list rode the same bike 
> (literally the one I later bought) and made a similar observation: 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/650b/6vYkUkoO_l4/T7gcNitEuC4J
>  
> Last note: This bike and derailleur only have a few hundred miles on them, 
> tops, so I can't speak to the longevity of this Microshift derailleur. But 
> it sure is working great now!
>
>
> Reed
>  
>
>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:26:06 AM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>>
>>> Clayton,
>>>
>>> Do you use Silvers to shift your 10 speeds?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: RBW listers in eastern Kansas

[Chad]

I concur with Tim.  Eastern Kansas is anything but flat and actually Kansas 
continues to be hilly all the way through the Smokey Hills in West Central 
Kansas. The Wicked Wilson Gravel Ride (Russell, KS) was the most climbing 
I've ever encountered outside of Colorado.  There are plenty of flat 
prairies, don't get me wrong, but the terrain varies greatly across the 
state.Anyway, I live near the Country Club Plaza and work in Olathe, so I 
too am about 30-40 min. east of Lawrence.

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>
> Boulevard Brewing indeed! I live (sort of) in Olathe, 30 min. east of 
> Lawrence on K10, but I'm not here much because I work out of town and only 
> get home every month or two. In fact I was in CT for 3 years and rode 
> several brevets with DC Randonneurs. At any rate, this area of Kansas is 
> definitely not flat. Lots and lots of rolling hills. There are routes where 
> you can climb 6000-7000 ft. in a 200KM ride. That's certainly not the 
> elevation gains I got on the east coast but it is by no means flat. There 
> is plenty of good gravel (you're not far from the Dirty Kanza ride), if 
> you're into that, and quite a bit of singletrack, ranging from easy to 
> pretty technical (most of the technical stuff I know of is closer to the KC 
> area, but it's not that that far. 

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Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/16/2016 12:32 PM, Clayton.sf wrote:

Just to clarify,

The way I read the article I it was aimed at touring bikes (example 
shows a Hunq) and their appropriate gearing. My response too was aimed 
at touring bikes not modern carbon race bikes. Plenty of triple 
options for Rivbikes.


Yes, they are equipped with two very sensible things: round seat tubes 
and BSC standard bottom brackets.  With those two, you are gold.  You 
probably won't ever hear someone equipped with a bike like that 
complaining about insufficient low gear, because they already have as 
low gearing as they could possibly every use with the standard typical 
parts that come on those bikes.  Sensible for sure.




On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 5:37:24 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:


On 09/15/2016 11:45 PM, Clayton.sf wrote:
> 40t cogs are the domain of 1x gearing IMO, unless it is an
academic exercise or you are schlepping too much much gear. 22x40
- you would likely be able to walk as fast. And... why not use at
triple at that point. Personally I like short cage derailers for
dirt or none at all and don't go beyond 36 in a cassette.

In the carbon frame 11 speed era, increasingly 40T sprockets are the
only way to get gears in the low 20s.  Triples aren't an option
because
1) there aren't many, if any, made for the type of bottom brackets
used
on carbon road bikes; 2) integrated brake/shift levers don't do
triples
(either at all, in the case of the higher group levels, or very
successfully); 3) even if you could change crank sets you are still
stuck with a 50T large chain ring on most of these bikes because the
front derailleur is mounted on a "braze-on" bracket whose adjustment
slot is made such that you can't lower the front derailleur at all.
Along with that 50T big ring comes a 34T small ring.

So where does this leave you?  34 x 32 is now the "standard" low
gear,
and the lowest "road" groups offer.  With the 23mm tires these bikes
have, that's a 28" gear.  If you need lower than that, you've got
to go
to larger sprockets, and the next larger sizes are 36 and 40 which
give
you 25" and 22", respectively, and you've got to use one of the two
Wolftooth devices: Roadlink (which will let that 32T capable road
rear
derailleur accommodate a 36T sprocket) or Tanpan, which will let
you use
a Dynasys rear derailleur, which can handle 40T.

None of this is ideal, in that along with those 36 or 40T large
sprockets you get an 11T 1st position, and 50x11 gives you a 120" top
gear - and what anybody who needs a 25 or 22 inch low is going to do
with a 120" big gear I cannot imagine.  The next gear down with these
cassettes is a 50x13 which isn't so bad - 101" - so I imagine
basically
you treat the 1st position sprocket as a spacer and forget you
have 11
back there.

But basically, with those bikes that is all you can do.

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Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm really close to where you are at, Philip.  On my touring bike, I'm 
currently running 44/28 with a 12-30, but I'm converting to a mountain rear 
der so I can swap back and forth between an 11-32 and an 11-36.  I'll move 
the 12-30 and the road derailer over to a roadier bike.  

44x11 will be plenty for top end, and 28x36 ought to be low enough for the 
kinds of loaded touring I intend to do.  If that turns out not to be the 
case, I might drop to 42/26.  16-teeth of spread is the max that I ever do. 
 Even that is a humongous jump, requiring lots of double shifting.  The 
20-tooth jump that the OP recommends is further than I'm willing to go, but 
I like the general concept, and the assertion that you can do everything 
you need to do with 2 rings, if you are willing to work with it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 11:58:29 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> 10 speed works fine for me. 
>
> running 40/26, 11-34 right now, its pretty sufficient. once things wear 
> out, gonna go 44/26 and 11-40 for extended climbing with load, while 
> getting more on the top end. i like the power ratchet shifting on the 
> silver shifters, but the plastic washer broke on me after a year of 
> commuting use. i'm not the only one. for the same price, i'd rather get 
> shimano bar ends. currently run microshift 10 spd mtb bar ends on 
> gevenalles - index as well as shimano, but friction shifting is not as 
> smooth and a bit stiff.
>

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Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101

[Brewster Fong]

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 5:37:24 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 09/15/2016 11:45 PM, Clayton.sf wrote: 
> > 40t cogs are the domain of 1x gearing IMO, unless it is an academic 
> exercise or you are schlepping too much much gear. 22x40 - you would likely 
> be able to walk as fast. And... why not use at triple at that point. 
> Personally I like short cage derailers for dirt or none at all and don't go 
> beyond 36 in a cassette. 
>
> Triples aren't an option because 
> 1) there aren't many, if any, made for the type of bottom brackets used 
> on carbon road bikes; 2) integrated brake/shift levers don't do triples 
> (either at all, in the case of the higher group levels, or very 
> successfully); 3) even if you could change crank sets you are still 
> stuck with a 50T large chain ring on most of these bikes because the 
> front derailleur is mounted on a "braze-on" bracket whose adjustment 
> slot is made such that you can't lower the front derailleur at all.   
> Along with that 50T big ring comes a 34T small ring. 
>
> Boy, this is a real generalization that isn't really true!  Well, at least 
> with Campy equipment. 



First, triple crank. Yes, for 2016, Campy still offers a triple crank:
>

 
http://www.campagnolo.com/US/en/CampyWorld/Product/new_triple_transimissions_athenacentaur_and_veloce

Second, integrated shifters and triple - Campy ergo levers are still triple 
compatible. In fact, the current Athena is triple compatible with 11 speed:

http://www.campagnolo.com/US/en/Support/is_the_triple_crankset_compatible_with_an_11_speed_groupset

Third, agree that Campy triple crank gearing are 30/42/53 or 30/39/52:

http://www.campagnolo.com/WW/en/Components/athena_power_torque_11x3_crankset

But I believe the 30t small ring is still 74mm bcd, so you can actually 
substitute a smaller ring down to 24t? 

Also, it looks like Shimano still offers triples in Ultegra, 105, Claris 
(what's that?!) and Tiagra.  However, they are only for their 10 speed 
groups. Haven't seen anything for 11 speed, so it may not be available. 



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[RBW] Re: Which Bikes Should Rivendell Keep? - Survey

[Scott McLain]

Here is a link to see the survey responses... up to 75

Survey Results Link 


On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-6, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Okay,
> So to follow on to Tim's thread.  I have created a survey.  I will publish 
> the survey results here regularly as they come in.
>
> If this is offensive or problematic to anyone at Riv HQ, just let me know 
> and I will take it down. 
>
> Here is the link.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6qRtlyVbw-WvQhRH5WYHXlsmitl_qY6EMiA9JOqevJpkO-A/viewform
>
> There are three questions:
>
> - How many Riv's do you own?
> - What five models should Riv continue to carry?  I limited this to five 
> to force folks to prioritize and choose.  You can choose less than five but 
> no more.
> - If you lost all your bikes, which Rivendell would you purchase new 
> first?  What I am trying to get at is what is the one Riv that you just 
> couldn't live without.  I know that this may not be a good case study since 
> your bike mix determines what you buy. For instance if you had an AHH and a 
> Hunq you would be less likely to purchase an Atlantis.  But if you could 
> only have one, you may want the Atlantis.  But it seamed like a relevant 
> question.
>
> There is also a section for comments.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Click, click, click ... aaargh

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

The bearings I bought finally showed up and I had some time today, so I got 
to work.
Followed the directions for disassembling the hub to find that the original 
bearings were fine. Smoother than the new ones actually.
I put everything back together with a new freewheel (I had it and that was 
easier than cleaning the old one) new chain and new inner tube.
Adjusted the chain tension, adjusted the brakes and took it for a test ride.
And ... no more clicking.

None of the things I changed could have possibly been the cause. But there 
it is. 
And I learned how to take my hub apart.

:)



On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 12:55:38 AM UTC+3, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Requesting the help of you wise list members to stop the clicking from the 
> rear wheel of my Sam Hillborne.
>
> The wheel is an Eno hub expertly laced to an A23 rim by Anthony of 
> Longleaf. Still round and true after 2 years of commuting 60-100 miles/week.
>
> The clicking happens once I hit a certain speed but regardless of whether 
> I am sitting or standing (rule out the saddle and seatpost), pedaling or 
> coasting (rule out chain, crank, freewheel).
>
> Sheldon says it must be coming from loose spokes. But the each pair of 
> same side spokes emit the same tone when plucked, and the wheel is 
> otherwise perfect.
>
> I brought it to my LBS who also says the spokes are not to blame, and 
> wants me to replace the hub bearings.
>
> Is this a reasonable guess? The hubs spin beautifully but the clicking is 
> driving me nuts.
>
> What say you wise ones?
>
> Jay in TLV, where it is not at all simple to procure the common in the US 
> sealed bearings specified by WI, so I would like to be fairly sure before 
> ripping my hubs apart
>
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Re: [RBW] XO-2 BB help!

[Tim Gavin]

This may not be your problem, but I'll share:

When replacing the original BB (Shimano loose-ball M730) on my '88 Schwinn
KOM, the cups on both sides were very difficult to thread in the final
couple mm.

Turns out, the ends of the seatstays protrude a bit into the BB shell.  I
was able to figure it out because I noticed that the threads on the
cartridge BB were starting to get beat up in a specific spot.

This protrusion was no issue with the loose-ball cups, which are only about
10-15 mm deep.  Lots of open space in a loose-ball BB.

I grabbed the Park BB tap at the shop I work for, and I was able to
flush-thread the protruding ends of those seatstays (and clean up the
original BB threads).  Now, the cartridge BB threads in and out very easily.


Since your '93 XO-2 was originally equipped with a loose-ball BB, there's a
chance that you have a similar issue.

Tim

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Conway Bennett <
captainconwaybenn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm swapping out BBs on my '93 XO-2.  When I thread in the drive side it
> goes in no problem.  Then I go to thread in the non drive side cup and it
> will not thread in all the way.  It is sticking out about 1 full thread.  I
> removed the NDS cup and then the drive side BB.  Then just out of curiosity
> I installed the NDS cup independently and it did thread all the way.  So,
> knowing it's the the not correct sequence, I the tried threading in the DS
> BB with the NDS cup already in and it would not thread all the way.  This
> is a shimano cartridge type but that Riv sells, 1.37 X 24 which is the same
> size but not type as the one I removed.  I know it's important to have the
> BB threaded all the way but read that the cup cab stick out a bit but I'm
> just not comfortable with that.  FWIw this is a NOS frame so no mangled
> threads or rust.  Thanks in advance!
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway
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Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101

[Philip Kim]

10 speed works fine for me. 

running 40/26, 11-34 right now, its pretty sufficient. once things wear 
out, gonna go 44/26 and 11-40 for extended climbing with load, while 
getting more on the top end. i like the power ratchet shifting on the 
silver shifters, but the plastic washer broke on me after a year of 
commuting use. i'm not the only one. for the same price, i'd rather get 
shimano bar ends. currently run microshift 10 spd mtb bar ends on 
gevenalles - index as well as shimano, but friction shifting is not as 
smooth and a bit stiff.

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Re: Friction shifting 10 speeds with Silver shifters (Was: Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101)

[Philip Kim]

2x10 friction here with SLX RD. I use Microshift shifters in friction mode, 
I've used 8,9, and 10 speed friction. After a few shifts I get used to the 
cable pull and never think about it again.

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 2:08:41 PM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Clayton.sf  > wrote:
>
>> I don't use friction with 10 speed. Too fiddly especially when tired. 
>> That is not a function of the type of friction shifter though. 
>>
>
> Just a quick counterpoint: I recently bought a Velo Routier. It came stock 
> with Silver shifters, a 10 speed 12-28 cassette, and a Microshift Centos 
> rear derailleur like this one: 
> https://www.amazon.com/microSHIFT-Derailleur-RD-R57SE-Bicycle-Compatible/dp/B014L49ZME/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1474048526=8-3=centos+derailleur
>
> I was originally apprehensive about this combination for exactly the 
> reasons Clayton describes. But taking it for a ride, I was surprised how 
> well it worked. It was very difficult to find "bad" shift lever positions. 
> Nine times out of ten whatever position I'd stick the lever in would just 
> find a gear and work great with no trimming. The tenth time I'd just trim a 
> bit. It worked so well I came to really enjoy the downtube shifters.
>
> This is markedly different than my other friction bikes which require more 
> active and more frequent trimming (and all have barcons because of it). 
> Perhaps the derailleur is doing something special? Maybe with the floating 
> top pulley? I don't know.
>
> I later realized that Fred over on the 650B list rode the same bike 
> (literally the one I later bought) and made a similar observation: 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/650b/6vYkUkoO_l4/T7gcNitEuC4J
>  
> Last note: This bike and derailleur only have a few hundred miles on them, 
> tops, so I can't speak to the longevity of this Microshift derailleur. But 
> it sure is working great now!
>
>
> Reed
>  
>
>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:26:06 AM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>>
>>> Clayton,
>>>
>>> Do you use Silvers to shift your 10 speeds?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: RBW listers in eastern Kansas

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Boulevard Brewing indeed! I live (sort of) in Olathe, 30 min. east of Lawrence 
on K10, but I'm not here much because I work out of town and only get home 
every month or two. In fact I was in CT for 3 years and rode several brevets 
with DC Randonneurs. At any rate, this area of Kansas is definitely not flat. 
Lots and lots of rolling hills. There are routes where you can climb 6000-7000 
ft. in a 200KM ride. That's certainly not the elevation gains I got on the east 
coast but it is by no means flat. There is plenty of good gravel (you're not 
far from the Dirty Kanza ride), if you're into that, and quite a bit of 
singletrack, ranging from easy to pretty technical (most of the technical stuff 
I know of is closer to the KC area, but it's not that that far. 

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Friction shifting 10 speeds with Silver shifters (Was: Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101)

[Reed Kennedy]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Clayton.sf  wrote:

> I don't use friction with 10 speed. Too fiddly especially when tired. That
> is not a function of the type of friction shifter though.
>

Just a quick counterpoint: I recently bought a Velo Routier. It came stock
with Silver shifters, a 10 speed 12-28 cassette, and a Microshift Centos
rear derailleur like this one:
https://www.amazon.com/microSHIFT-Derailleur-RD-R57SE-Bicycle-Compatible/dp/B014L49ZME/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1474048526=8-3=centos+derailleur

I was originally apprehensive about this combination for exactly the
reasons Clayton describes. But taking it for a ride, I was surprised how
well it worked. It was very difficult to find "bad" shift lever positions.
Nine times out of ten whatever position I'd stick the lever in would just
find a gear and work great with no trimming. The tenth time I'd just trim a
bit. It worked so well I came to really enjoy the downtube shifters.

This is markedly different than my other friction bikes which require more
active and more frequent trimming (and all have barcons because of it).
Perhaps the derailleur is doing something special? Maybe with the floating
top pulley? I don't know.

I later realized that Fred over on the 650B list rode the same bike
(literally the one I later bought) and made a similar observation:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/650b/6vYkUkoO_l4/T7gcNitEuC4J

Last note: This bike and derailleur only have a few hundred miles on them,
tops, so I can't speak to the longevity of this Microshift derailleur. But
it sure is working great now!


Reed


> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:26:06 AM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>
>> Clayton,
>>
>> Do you use Silvers to shift your 10 speeds?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Possible 51cm Sam Hillborne for sale

[Chad]

I have a 80 PBH and the bike fits perfect just for reference.  I will 
consider selling the frame/fork/hs/bb/seat post for $800 or any combination 
of the above parts.

On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-5, Chad wrote:
>
> Also, I'm located right smack dab in the middle of the US.  Kansas City.
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 8:28:37 AM UTC-5, Chad wrote:
>>
>> Since I have not had much interest in the sale of my Roadeo and need to 
>> downsize, I'm considering selling my Sage Green 51cm Hillborne.  It is in 
>> excellent condition and has a very nice build.  PM me if interested and I 
>> can provide details and pictures.  I would want to sell it complete before 
>> considering offering the frame only.
>
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[RBW] Re: Which Bikes Should Rivendell Keep? - Survey

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Seeing a list of the current offerings resulted in my choosing different 
bikes than I posted in the original thread!  

I'm torn on the "if you lost all your bikes" question because my preference 
would be a 26" Atlantis but the 56cm version has too short a top-tube and 
the next size up has 700c wheels.  I reluctantly chose the Hunqapillar but 
I'm hoping the new 56cm 650B Hunq makes me more enthusiastic about the 
choice. 



On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 10:38:15 PM UTC-5, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Okay,
> So to follow on to Tim's thread.  I have created a survey.  I will publish 
> the survey results here regularly as they come in.
>
> If this is offensive or problematic to anyone at Riv HQ, just let me know 
> and I will take it down. 
>
> Here is the link.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6qRtlyVbw-WvQhRH5WYHXlsmitl_qY6EMiA9JOqevJpkO-A/viewform
>
> There are three questions:
>
> - How many Riv's do you own?
> - What five models should Riv continue to carry?  I limited this to five 
> to force folks to prioritize and choose.  You can choose less than five but 
> no more.
> - If you lost all your bikes, which Rivendell would you purchase new 
> first?  What I am trying to get at is what is the one Riv that you just 
> couldn't live without.  I know that this may not be a good case study since 
> your bike mix determines what you buy. For instance if you had an AHH and a 
> Hunq you would be less likely to purchase an Atlantis.  But if you could 
> only have one, you may want the Atlantis.  But it seamed like a relevant 
> question.
>
> There is also a section for comments.  
>

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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[ascpgh]

I receive some of what Marc describes so well, but I also draw the ire of 
CF riders whose bikes cost multiples of what mine did yet it is my bike 
that is singularly noted and complimented by other riders. CF, low spokes 
wheels and electric shifting have become the uniform backdrop against which 
my Rivendell stands out. 

I rode a community event here a few weeks ago and gravitated toward a fella 
on a Merckx Corsa TSX in 7-11 red and green with a full Mavic group, 
including BB, cranks, HS, stem, bars, brakes and levers. We struck up a 
nice conversation and rode the metric century together. We collected many 
overt compliments and attention from others in the sea of that new normal. 

There is a groundswell of practical bikes with fenders, lights, bags and 
racks beginning to show in the streets and roads lately. Bike shops being 
businesses are either welcoming that interest or turning away new 
customers. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 8:44:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have 
> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>
> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>
> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
> shifters?)
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
 dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?

 Will


 

>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
>>> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
>>> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
>>> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul 
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[RBW] Re: Sam on gravel and brakes

[Chad]

This has been my experience as well.  They do make fendering much easier.

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 12:36:06 AM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> I have Paul centerpulls on my sam. Stopping power is very good, though I 
> never hated the 559's. The Pauls are better but only marginally. They excel 
> in looks though

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[RBW] Re: RBW listers in eastern Kansas

[Chad]

Yes!  I'm in Kansas City.  I only know of one other person in the area who 
is into Rivs and I do not believe he is on this list.  I'm always up for a 
get together.  Lawrence is a great town and the beer is actually Ad Astra 
Ale as in "Ad astra  per aspera"  the state motto.  Boulevard Pale Ale is a 
pretty decent local flavor as well.

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> Thanks for the insight Eric!
>
> Ryan, if you move, give me a shout.
>
> Keith
>
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[RBW] Re: Which Bikes Should Rivendell Keep? - Survey

[Edwin W]

Scott,
That is so cool! If Riv HQ asks you to take it down, they are silly. Instead, 
they should thank you profusely for giving them some good data from their 
biggest fans. 
I know only 30 or so have answered, but the legendary/iconic status of the 
Atlantis is clear in the last question.  


Edwin 

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[RBW] Re: Fs: nitro r-12 with tombstone

[Esteban]

Nitro R-12 sounds BOSS!


On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 8:32:57 PM UTC-7, MannyAcosta wrote:
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5778528997.html
>
> Doesn't come with stays. 
> Would consider trading for Clem rack.
>
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Re: [RBW] XO-2 BB help!

[Captain Conway Bennett]

Thanks,  with my Sam H. And Quick B.  They go in almost flush on the NDS so I 
was concerned.  

Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Keith Muller  wrote:
> 
> Conway,
> 
> With a Shimano BB,  that is a non-issue.  The NDS cup is there to support the 
> cartridge BB.  It's pretty common to see that.  The extra thread is there so 
> the cup can tighten down on the BB before it bottoms out on the BB shell.  As 
> long as the cup is straight in the BB shell, you are fine.  
> 
> Keith
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Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101

[Clayton.sf]

I don't use friction with 10 speed. Too fiddly especially when tired. That 
is not a function of the type of friction shifter though. 


For friction I use 8 speed drivetrains and for that the silvers are great. 
They don't slip if treated right. I am still amazed a bike shop can't make 
them work. Maybe they had a dud.

Clayton Scott,
SF


On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:26:06 AM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
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> Clayton,
>
> Do you use Silvers to shift your 10 speeds?
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[RBW] Re: RBW listers in eastern Kansas

[Keith Muller]

Thanks for the insight Eric!

Ryan, if you move, give me a shout.

Keith

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Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101

[Clayton.sf]

Just to clarify,

The way I read the article I it was aimed at touring bikes (example shows a 
Hunq) and their appropriate gearing. My response too was aimed at touring 
bikes not modern carbon race bikes. Plenty of triple options for Rivbikes.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA





On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 5:37:24 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 09/15/2016 11:45 PM, Clayton.sf wrote: 
> > 40t cogs are the domain of 1x gearing IMO, unless it is an academic 
> exercise or you are schlepping too much much gear. 22x40 - you would likely 
> be able to walk as fast. And... why not use at triple at that point. 
> Personally I like short cage derailers for dirt or none at all and don't go 
> beyond 36 in a cassette. 
>
> In the carbon frame 11 speed era, increasingly 40T sprockets are the 
> only way to get gears in the low 20s.  Triples aren't an option because 
> 1) there aren't many, if any, made for the type of bottom brackets used 
> on carbon road bikes; 2) integrated brake/shift levers don't do triples 
> (either at all, in the case of the higher group levels, or very 
> successfully); 3) even if you could change crank sets you are still 
> stuck with a 50T large chain ring on most of these bikes because the 
> front derailleur is mounted on a "braze-on" bracket whose adjustment 
> slot is made such that you can't lower the front derailleur at all.   
> Along with that 50T big ring comes a 34T small ring. 
>
> So where does this leave you?  34 x 32 is now the "standard" low gear, 
> and the lowest "road" groups offer.  With the 23mm tires these bikes 
> have, that's a 28" gear.  If you need lower than that, you've got to go 
> to larger sprockets, and the next larger sizes are 36 and 40 which give 
> you 25" and 22", respectively, and you've got to use one of the two 
> Wolftooth devices: Roadlink (which will let that 32T capable road rear 
> derailleur accommodate a 36T sprocket) or Tanpan, which will let you use 
> a Dynasys rear derailleur, which can handle 40T. 
>
> None of this is ideal, in that along with those 36 or 40T large 
> sprockets you get an 11T 1st position, and 50x11 gives you a 120" top 
> gear - and what anybody who needs a 25 or 22 inch low is going to do 
> with a 120" big gear I cannot imagine.  The next gear down with these 
> cassettes is a 50x13 which isn't so bad - 101" - so I imagine basically 
> you treat the 1st position sprocket as a spacer and forget you have 11 
> back there. 
>
> But basically, with those bikes that is all you can do. 
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[RBW] XO-2 BB help!

[Keith Muller]

Conway,

With a Shimano BB,  that is a non-issue.  The NDS cup is there to support the 
cartridge BB.  It's pretty common to see that.  The extra thread is there so 
the cup can tighten down on the BB before it bottoms out on the BB shell.  As 
long as the cup is straight in the BB shell, you are fine.  

Keith

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[RBW] Re: RBW listers in eastern Kansas

[Ryan Thompson]

Keith,

Interesting timing, I'm considering a move back to Kansas City from 
Washington D.C. and often wondered if I would find any Rivsters in the 
area.  If I do end up moving, I shoot you a note.

Regards,
Ryan

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 9:17:11 PM UTC-4, Keith Muller wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Just moved to Lawrence Kansas from Washington DC.  Just curious if there 
> are any RBW bunchers in the eastern Kansas area.  Lawrence is nice and 
> seems like there is plenty to explore.  
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith
>
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[RBW] More Columbia, MD Indian buffet runs...deer, sand hill crane?...lake

[Will Ashe]

Thanks for posting these, I'll always appreciate photos of any area in MD as I 
grew up there. 

I believe that is a Great Blue Heron. 

Will Ashe of Laurel, now Los Angeles. 

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Re: [RBW] Sam on gravel and brakes

[Jeff Lesperance]

I didn't mention brakes in my earlier comments, but I can say I've never
felt that the Tektro 559's were unsatisfactory, even with the bike carrying
a full tour load in on and off-road conditions.

When I wear out the BG Rock n' Roads, which can happen quickly if you do a
lot of paved riding, as they appear to have a fairly soft rubber compound,
I'd consider trying out the Surly Knards in 700x41.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:

> For fatter rubber I'll upvote what others have said regarding Soma
> Cazaderos and BG Rock n Roads.
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[RBW] Sam on gravel and brakes

[Will Ashe]

For fatter rubber I'll upvote what others have said regarding Soma Cazaderos 
and BG Rock n Roads.

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[RBW] XO-2 BB help!

[Conway Bennett]

I'm swapping out BBs on my '93 XO-2.  When I thread in the drive side it goes 
in no problem.  Then I go to thread in the non drive side cup and it will not 
thread in all the way.  It is sticking out about 1 full thread.  I removed the 
NDS cup and then the drive side BB.  Then just out of curiosity I installed the 
NDS cup independently and it did thread all the way.  So, knowing it's the the 
not correct sequence, I the tried threading in the DS BB with the NDS cup 
already in and it would not thread all the way.  This is a shimano cartridge 
type but that Riv sells, 1.37 X 24 which is the same size but not type as the 
one I removed.  I know it's important to have the BB threaded all the way but 
read that the cup cab stick out a bit but I'm just not comfortable with that.  
FWIw this is a NOS frame so no mangled threads or rust.  Thanks in advance!

Fair winds,

Captain Conway

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[RBW] Re: Sam on gravel and brakes

[Marc40a]

>
> I'm surprised you don't like the Tektros. Are you sure they're set up 
> properly? They' re my favorite brake - I wish I could put them on all of my 
> bikes. 


RE: Tires- Soma Cazadero 42mm are a great tire as well as the Barlow Pass 
and Smart Sams that Jeff mentioned. 


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[RBW] Re: IHPVA World Human Powered Speed Challenge - New Record: 88.26mph!

[Scott McLain]

It looks like they are all running compass barlow pass tires! 
 tongue-in-cheek :-)


On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 2:16:30 PM UTC-6, Clementine59 wrote:
>
> I follow this event from afar every year:
> http://www.recumbents.com/wisil/whpsc2016/speedchallenge.htm
>
> Today saw a new record of 88.26 mph (previous record was 86.65mph). 
>
> Results to date:
> http://www.recumbents.com/wisil/whpsc2016/results.htm
>
> Video of the record run:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp6JePiGSJY
>
> FYI, if you're interested.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 53cm Roadeo

[David Stein]

Yep, I waffled on selling the Hunq but decided to keep it and glad I did. I
got some Rat Trap Pass tires which make it as fast as any other bike I
have, except for my lightweight Gunnar Sport.

On the tire width discussion, I disagree. I realize the internet is all
abuzz with wider tires and compass is leading the charge with their 650x42
rando bikes and tires. But for a lightweight go-fast bike with no racks or
lights then 33mm is perfect, and I think the Rodeo fits the bill perfectly
for that category (though I haven't ridden one, to be fair). Anything wider
then you're likely wanting to go offroad to some extent, or ride long rando
rides, in which case the SH, AHH, etc are better suited (or any number of
rando/cross/gravel grinder bikes out there now).

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Chad  wrote:

> I am hesitant to put it on Craigslist.  Not as much appreciation or
> understanding of  Riv's around here has been my experience lately.  Do you
> still have your Hunqpillar Dave?
>
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 11:39:58 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>>
>> Yeah this thread is killing me. Rodeo is my size but I have a gunnar
>> sport that fits the bill of a 'go fast' bike that I can't seem to find
>> fault in (even though the rodeo looks way better).
>>
>> Someone buy this!
>>
>> Chad - have you tried CL, any bites there?
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[RBW] Re: Which Bikes Should Rivendell Keep? - Survey

[Scott McLain]

Wow!  So I put this up less than twelve hours ago and already have over 30 
responses!

Use this Link to see the results as they come in.

Riv Survey Responses 


Let me know if this link doesn't work.  It may be tied to my permissions.

Scott

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-6, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Okay,
> So to follow on to Tim's thread.  I have created a survey.  I will publish 
> the survey results here regularly as they come in.
>
> If this is offensive or problematic to anyone at Riv HQ, just let me know 
> and I will take it down. 
>
> Here is the link.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6qRtlyVbw-WvQhRH5WYHXlsmitl_qY6EMiA9JOqevJpkO-A/viewform
>
> There are three questions:
>
> - How many Riv's do you own?
> - What five models should Riv continue to carry?  I limited this to five 
> to force folks to prioritize and choose.  You can choose less than five but 
> no more.
> - If you lost all your bikes, which Rivendell would you purchase new 
> first?  What I am trying to get at is what is the one Riv that you just 
> couldn't live without.  I know that this may not be a good case study since 
> your bike mix determines what you buy. For instance if you had an AHH and a 
> Hunq you would be less likely to purchase an Atlantis.  But if you could 
> only have one, you may want the Atlantis.  But it seamed like a relevant 
> question.
>
> There is also a section for comments.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Which Bikes Should Rivendell Keep? - Survey

[Scott McLain]

Wow!  We already have over 30 responses!  Here is how it looks so far.




On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-6, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Okay,
> So to follow on to Tim's thread.  I have created a survey.  I will publish 
> the survey results here regularly as they come in.
>
> If this is offensive or problematic to anyone at Riv HQ, just let me know 
> and I will take it down. 
>
> Here is the link.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6qRtlyVbw-WvQhRH5WYHXlsmitl_qY6EMiA9JOqevJpkO-A/viewform
>
> There are three questions:
>
> - How many Riv's do you own?
> - What five models should Riv continue to carry?  I limited this to five 
> to force folks to prioritize and choose.  You can choose less than five but 
> no more.
> - If you lost all your bikes, which Rivendell would you purchase new 
> first?  What I am trying to get at is what is the one Riv that you just 
> couldn't live without.  I know that this may not be a good case study since 
> your bike mix determines what you buy. For instance if you had an AHH and a 
> Hunq you would be less likely to purchase an Atlantis.  But if you could 
> only have one, you may want the Atlantis.  But it seamed like a relevant 
> question.
>
> There is also a section for comments.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 53cm Roadeo

[Chad]

I am hesitant to put it on Craigslist.  Not as much appreciation or 
understanding of  Riv's around here has been my experience lately.  Do you 
still have your Hunqpillar Dave?

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 11:39:58 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>
> Yeah this thread is killing me. Rodeo is my size but I have a gunnar sport 
> that fits the bill of a 'go fast' bike that I can't seem to find fault in 
> (even though the rodeo looks way better).
>
> Someone buy this!
>
> Chad - have you tried CL, any bites there?
>

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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Surlyprof]

Nice write up, Marc.  My experiences have been similar.

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 53cm Roadeo

[Chad Schoenthaler]

It's a great bike.  I just can't justify having two Riv's right now.  You
guys are right, the Roadeo is not as practical as my Sam Hillborne, but
it's much better for fast rides through the neighborhood and it doesn't
break my back when I put it on my roof rack.  It does max out at about 35mm
width tires.  My plan at this point I think is to transfer my racks to my
BStone RB-T from the SH and keep the Roadeo.  Seems like there is a lot
more interest in the SH and I won't loose as much in the sale, but I love
my it too. I'd eventually like to have an Atlantis or Appaloosa.  First
world problems...

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Will  wrote:

> I think you're on to something meaning: the reluctance of the fat tire
> crowd. I rode 28s for many years. But I always wanted something more
> practical. I live in Wisconson. It snows here. They plow. Roads have uneven
> pavement due to years of repair. Rodeo is a beautiful bike. I think if it
> could handle 38-45mm tires with fenders, Riv would sell more of them.
>
> Maybe they should leave it alone for those who prefer 80s era design. I
> say that with respect. I rode those bikes. I'd love that geometry, or
> what's close to it, with modern wheels. So maybe it's time for Roadeo2.
>
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 10:34:47 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Maybe it's because of the wide tire crowd here that isn't grabbing for it.
>>
>> But plenty of people here have Roadeos so you would think there would be
>> some interest.
>>
>> Have you tried Clist and ebay yet?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Which bikes should Rivendell keep selling?

[Brian Campbell]

Rivendell should sell whatever they can, so that they remain a viable 
enterprise going forward. I don't really care what new new models come and 
what old models go. They do good work  IMHOand that is what I support.

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[RBW] Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[true]

Deacon Patrick,

I will also miss your posts. 
You have been an inspiration.

God's best to you and your family.

Here's hoping you check in every so often.
Either way safe pedaling.

Paul in Dallas

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam on gravel and brakes

[Tim Gavin]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:36 AM, drew  wrote:

> I have Paul centerpulls on my sam. Stopping power is very good, though I
> never hated the 559's. The Pauls are better but only marginally. They excel
> in looks though
>

This mirrors my experience.  I changed from R559s to Paul Racers for the
greatly improved fender clearance, and I'm happy with the slightly improved
braking.

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 53cm Roadeo

[Will]

I think you're on to something meaning: the reluctance of the fat tire 
crowd. I rode 28s for many years. But I always wanted something more 
practical. I live in Wisconson. It snows here. They plow. Roads have uneven 
pavement due to years of repair. Rodeo is a beautiful bike. I think if it 
could handle 38-45mm tires with fenders, Riv would sell more of them. 

Maybe they should leave it alone for those who prefer 80s era design. I say 
that with respect. I rode those bikes. I'd love that geometry, or what's 
close to it, with modern wheels. So maybe it's time for Roadeo2.

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 10:34:47 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Maybe it's because of the wide tire crowd here that isn't grabbing for it.
>
> But plenty of people here have Roadeos so you would think there would be 
> some interest.
>
> Have you tried Clist and ebay yet?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/15/2016 11:45 PM, Clayton.sf wrote:

40t cogs are the domain of 1x gearing IMO, unless it is an academic exercise or 
you are schlepping too much much gear. 22x40 - you would likely be able to walk 
as fast. And... why not use at triple at that point. Personally I like short 
cage derailers for dirt or none at all and don't go beyond 36 in a cassette.


In the carbon frame 11 speed era, increasingly 40T sprockets are the 
only way to get gears in the low 20s.  Triples aren't an option because 
1) there aren't many, if any, made for the type of bottom brackets used 
on carbon road bikes; 2) integrated brake/shift levers don't do triples 
(either at all, in the case of the higher group levels, or very 
successfully); 3) even if you could change crank sets you are still 
stuck with a 50T large chain ring on most of these bikes because the 
front derailleur is mounted on a "braze-on" bracket whose adjustment 
slot is made such that you can't lower the front derailleur at all.  
Along with that 50T big ring comes a 34T small ring.


So where does this leave you?  34 x 32 is now the "standard" low gear, 
and the lowest "road" groups offer.  With the 23mm tires these bikes 
have, that's a 28" gear.  If you need lower than that, you've got to go 
to larger sprockets, and the next larger sizes are 36 and 40 which give 
you 25" and 22", respectively, and you've got to use one of the two 
Wolftooth devices: Roadlink (which will let that 32T capable road rear 
derailleur accommodate a 36T sprocket) or Tanpan, which will let you use 
a Dynasys rear derailleur, which can handle 40T.


None of this is ideal, in that along with those 36 or 40T large 
sprockets you get an 11T 1st position, and 50x11 gives you a 120" top 
gear - and what anybody who needs a 25 or 22 inch low is going to do 
with a 120" big gear I cannot imagine.  The next gear down with these 
cassettes is a 50x13 which isn't so bad - 101" - so I imagine basically 
you treat the 1st position sprocket as a spacer and forget you have 11 
back there.


But basically, with those bikes that is all you can do.

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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Dave Johnston]

Over 20 in the DC area for sure, but we have had a Riv dealer on and off 
for 20 yrs. 1st Collage Park bikes now Gravel and Grind. Plus its not 
unusual for Riv owners to own more than one.

-Dave J

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 8:44:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have 
> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>
> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>
> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
> shifters?)
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
 dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?

 Will


 

>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
>>> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
>>> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
>>> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam on gravel and brakes

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/16/2016 01:36 AM, drew wrote:

I have Paul centerpulls on my sam. Stopping power is very good, though I never 
hated the 559's. The Pauls are better but only marginally. They excel in looks 
though



Drew, what do you mean by "stopping power"?

I ask this because for at least a decade I listened to disc brake 
advocates talk about better braking power in puzzlement because in my 
experience except for rims wet by rain, braking power is limited by 
traction, i.e. tire adhesion, and it turns out that wasn't what they 
were talking about at all, it was how hard you have to squeeze the brake 
lever to get a given amount of retardation.  Talk about misunderstanding 
and miscommunication!


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[RBW] Rivendell sighting in Zurich

[Michael Hechmer]

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Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Gearing 101

[Daniel Jackson]

Clayton,

Do you use Silvers to shift your 10 speeds?

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