Re: [RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Ben Miller]

Michael, thanks for passing along the information. I for one did not know about 
the connection between Giro and the larger brand portfolio. It's nice to be 
well informed about where your dollars go and therefore better chose how to 
spend them. 

Ben

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Re: [RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Joe Bernard]

I'm cool with you taking your BS about "old folks" and stuffing it, Legrand. 
Happy now?

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[RBW] WTB ~60cm 'go-fast'

[Antone Könst]

I'm looking for a drop bar road-ish bike better suited for long fast rides than 
my (totally wonderful) Cheviot.  Complete would be nice, frame sounds good too. 

 I'm 6'1" 90 PBH. 

San Marcos, Roadini, Hilsen, even Sam, sound good.



P.S.
Anyone have experience with a large sized Soma Grand Randonneur?

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Ryan Merrill]

I’m cool with boycotting and I think it can add up to change. Thanks for the 
link.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Lee Legrand]

Politics and religion.  The two topics which will enrage and set off
firestorms in a email forum such as this or on a street corner or in the
work office.  I am not upset that he put it on the forum although it may go
outside of "forum policy".  I like those who break the rules sometimes.  It
irritates the old folks who have to have everything the same like there
morning breakfast or sleep at a certain time or those who cannot stand
opinion other than there own.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Scott McLain 
wrote:

> i don’t like giro and bell helmets because they don’t fit me right.  I
> have been foregoing a helmet more and more.  My primary use for a helmet is
> when my wife come riding with me.
>
> However I do buy amp from Federal.  Mostly Shotgun shells for when we go
> to the range.  I probably also buy .22 and 9mm shells from the also.
>
> I don’t shop at Wal Mart though because they are destroying America.  They
> are almost as evil as Microsoft.
>
> Throw another log on the fire
>
> Grinning with Patrick!
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[RBW] FS/FT: 1985 Trek 870 MTB

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Somebody buy this - I would if I could. These are really nice bikes, and have 
great geometry.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Scott McLain]

i don’t like giro and bell helmets because they don’t fit me right.  I have 
been foregoing a helmet more and more.  My primary use for a helmet is when my 
wife come riding with me. 

However I do buy amp from Federal.  Mostly Shotgun shells for when we go to the 
range.  I probably also buy .22 and 9mm shells from the also.

I don’t shop at Wal Mart though because they are destroying America.  They are 
almost as evil as Microsoft.

Throw another log on the fire

Grinning with Patrick!

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[iamkeith]

Well if nothing else, it is a timely topic.  The following headlines just 
started coming across my news feed, from today's news cycle.  NBC, BBC, New 
York Magazine, Wall Street Journal, CBS.  All talking about how such 
boycots are having an effect.  It's a veritable mainstream media 
conspiracy, I tell ya.  ;-)

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/companies-cut-ties-nra-after-customer-backlash-n850686

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-43173753

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/businesses-cut-nra-ties-as-pressure-campaign-mounts.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-u-s-companies-bow-to-social-media-pressure-sever-nra-ties-1519431715

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/companies-cutting-ties-with-nra-after-florida-school-shooting/

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Joe Bernard]

"Unsafe helmets" means something like a helmet recall. As much as I despise the 
NRA (see: white hot rage), your title has nothing to do with the topic you 
posted. It's political clickbait, and I don't appreciate that I was suckered 
into clicking on it. 

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Dave Johnston]

Well I did one $100 Hail Mary and one $250 gift certificate. And then I put 
in some "notify when back in stock" on some items I am interested that are 
out of stock. I also contacted Rich about some wheels, but I'm not sure if 
custom wheels helps Rivendell the company.

-Dave J

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 7:38:03 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:
>
> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Bob K.]

Bought a $10 credit and some other stuff. Hope there has been a big response. 

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] FS/FT: 1985 Trek 870 MTB

[Drw]

Sorry, didn’t mean to include tires on that 250$ price. Just f/f/wheels (and 
headset/bb)

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[RBW] FS/FT: 1985 Trek 870 MTB

[Drw]

To answer some questions publicly. 
-Wheels are araya rims, Shimano exage hubs and dt Swiss spokes. 130mm rear. 
-front derailleur is mountain lx
-yes it should fit rat trap pass tires fine. 
-I’m not currently selling as frame/fork because I need the wheels gone too. I 
have no other 26in frames and don’t want the wheels lying around forever. 
-I would sell f/f/wheels/tires for 250$ (+ shipping)  which I think is a solid 
deal.

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Christopher Murray]

Thanks for the link Michael! I had no idea there was a link. I’m of the opinion 
that more information is always better than less information. 

Cheers,
Chris

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Rivendell Bullmoose bars

[Leslie]

In the Specials section?
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/remainders-specials/products/nitto-bullmoose-bar-dull-bright-fillet-brazed-150mm-16194
 


On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 5:31:12 PM UTC-5, Michael, SF/CA wrote:
>
> Just checking if anyone on the list is unloading the Rivendell via Nitto 
> Bullmoose bars. Looking to finally try them on my Hunq. Bonus points if 
> they are fillet brazed. These would have been my third post-Hail Mary 
> purchase at Riv, alas they are missing from the website entirely. Please DM 
> if you are looking to sell - thanks!
>
> Michael
> SF / CA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS-Joe Appaloosa

[mike smith]

Can you post a few more pics? What handlebar options come with it?  Im 6 2 with 
a 91 PBH. It should fit.  

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot repaint

[John Hawrylak]

Revolutionary paint scheme!!  Like chocolate and vanilla ice cream,  Yum-Yum

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I second Patrick's motion for a presumption of goodness.

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 4:57:02 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Michael is a long time list member and is not disingenuious, nor was this 
> headline disingenuous. Let’s give each other a presumption of goodness 
> please. cf: Crankypants. 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/KlcD_BC8sLw 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS: $10 Willow Chainrings through Sunday. Proceeds to Hail Mary.

[David B]

Also, obviously buy Hail Mary certificates directly from Riv, just throwing 
this out there if you have a chainring need.
I've bought several certificates already, and want to do more, so offering 
this out there.
Also, for the diligent eye, there is a 49/37/25 chainring special, that's 
priced at $10 a ring as well, so you could go through the webstore if 
that's what you want.
Thanks again,
David

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 5:39:26 PM UTC-6, David B wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> Bugging the list from time to time with the fact that I have a few Willow 
> chainrings left. 
> Willow chainrings were sold by Riv several years ago, and were a product 
> of Ted Durant (Heron/Willow/RONA/frequent list contributor).
>
> So, my deal is, $10 a chainring for whatever's here: 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/category/willow-chainrings-c
> Best for 9-speed and less drivetrains.
>
> All funds will go to Rivendell Hail Mary certificates.
>
> Prices good through Sunday at 5pm CST, so I can then purchase Hail Mary 
> certificates.
>
> Shipping options:
> $4 for USPS First Class, up to a pound o' rings.
> $7 for USPS Priority, for however many you'd like.
>
>
> IMPORTANT! To get the $10 price, please contact me offlist, let me know 
> your shipping preference, and I'll send a Paypal invoice.
> Thanks!
> David
> River Grove, IL
>
>

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[RBW] FS: $10 Willow Chainrings through Sunday. Proceeds to Hail Mary.

[David B]

Hello all,
Bugging the list from time to time with the fact that I have a few Willow 
chainrings left. 
Willow chainrings were sold by Riv several years ago, and were a product of 
Ted Durant (Heron/Willow/RONA/frequent list contributor).

So, my deal is, $10 a chainring for whatever's here: 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/category/willow-chainrings-c
Best for 9-speed and less drivetrains.

All funds will go to Rivendell Hail Mary certificates.

Prices good through Sunday at 5pm CST, so I can then purchase Hail Mary 
certificates.

Shipping options:
$4 for USPS First Class, up to a pound o' rings.
$7 for USPS Priority, for however many you'd like.


IMPORTANT! To get the $10 price, please contact me offlist, let me know 
your shipping preference, and I'll send a Paypal invoice.
Thanks!
David
River Grove, IL

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Ash]

When I saw this dropped everything and bought couple of things I always 
wanted  needed for my continued handlebar experiments.

A Bosco 58cm (already have 55) and a Tallux to go with.

And a 100 Hail Marys as an investment :)


On Wednesday, 21 February 2018 16:38:03 UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Deacon Patrick]

Michael is a long time list member and is not disingenuious, nor was this 
headline disingenuous. Let’s give each other a presumption of goodness please. 
cf: Crankypants. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/KlcD_BC8sLw

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS-Joe Appaloosa

[Wayne Naha]

I wish that it was my size, you'd have it sold by now.

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Daniel D.]

Just give it an honest title, why be disingenuous?

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 1:48:48 PM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> First, I did not introduce an irrelevant political topic, at least not any 
> more than a discussion of say AAA's opposition to bike lanes might be 
> considered outside the bounds of this group.  Second,  I did not explicitly 
> ask anyone to accept my political position, or for that matter did I even 
> state it.  I simply offered information to be considered.  Third, my 
> posting title may have lead some to jump to false assumptions if they were 
> only considering their own safety. Finally, yes, one can construct an 
> argument that my post was outside the bounds of this lists, but one would 
> then have to also exclude everything GP has written about helmets and 
> clothes.  I can remember many lengthy threads on this list about diets, 
> about which we do not agree, and have nothing to do with RBW, other than 
> GPs espousal.  I am not asking for a discussion, I simply inform you where 
> your money goes when you buy Bell or Giro helmets.  
>
> Michael
>  
>
> On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 12:22:54 PM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> Nothing wrong with the helments, so yeah, misleading title.  Clickbait, 
>> even.  As for the rest of it, this is not a political forum. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:57:25 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Before you buy your next helmet you should consider this:
>>> https://www.bikebiz.com/news/anti-gun-bike-brand-boycott
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS- White Industries Dos Eno 16/19

[Kainalu V.]

And sold sold.



On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 12:18:50 PM UTC-5, Kainalu V. wrote:
>
> Sold pending payment...
>
>
> On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 11:28:34 AM UTC-5, Kainalu V. wrote:
>>
>> Hi! 
>> I've got a used Dos Eno 16/19. The 16 is well loved (used), the 19 is 
>> hardly used (for about a mile once). Sounds and spins along great, $40 + 
>> shipping or your best offer. Paypal F preferred, or Venmo, or whatever...
>> Please Private message me (kaivierstra ahat gmail dot com(mmm
>> Thanks
>> -Kai
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Rivendell Bullmoose bars

[Michael, SF/CA]

Just checking if anyone on the list is unloading the Rivendell via Nitto 
Bullmoose bars. Looking to finally try them on my Hunq. Bonus points if 
they are fillet brazed. These would have been my third post-Hail Mary 
purchase at Riv, alas they are missing from the website entirely. Please DM 
if you are looking to sell - thanks!

Michael
SF / CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/23/2018 02:38 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

The last one alone is worth the price of admission.

Patrick "Brain? What brain?" Moore


https://www.popsci.com/navigating-with-gps-is-making-our-brains-lazy

Home 
Navigating with GPS is making our brains lazy


   Close Google Maps to get a mental workout

By Rob Verger  April 4, 2017

Manhattan street map

A map of Manhattan showing a metric called "closeness centrality" that 
describes how connected a street is to the whole larger network of 
streets, with red indicating more connections and blue the opposite.


Kinda Al Sayed and Joao Pinelo Silva

Navigation apps like Google’s Waze reduce the amount of mental power it 
takes to get from one place to another—and researchers can now literally 
see the difference in brain activity. A recent study is helping 
scientists get a better grasp of just how our brain function changes 
when navigating from memory versus following turn-by-turn directions.


To learn more about how our brains process networks like city streets, 
neuroscientists and cognitive scientists from University College London 
(UCL) and other institutions conducted a study in which two dozen 
participants first walked around the London neighborhood of Soho. None 
of the participants were familiar that busy neighborhood, which is a 
“really dense pack of streets with lots of cafes and bars—really 
colorful place,” says Hugo Spiers, the study’s senior author and a 
neuroscientist in the department of behavioral psychology at UCL. The 
subjects then took a test to see how well they’d learned the urban 
landscape. “It’s pointless scanning someone who is completely lost,” he 
says.


The next day, in the lab, the subjects were asked to navigate those 
streets virtually by looking at an interactive film, while an fMRI 
machine monitored their brain activity. (The machine tracked the flow of 
oxygenated blood in their brains, which many scientists consider to be 
an indicator of brain activity.)


Half the time, the participants had to figure out how to get to the 
destination themselves, by pushing buttons when they got to an 
intersection to say which way they wanted to turn. It was “very much as 
if you were in the car with your partner driving, and they just keep 
turning to you and asking which way do we go now?” Spiers says. “It 
wasn’t relaxing.”


The other half of the time, the same participants had a much easier 
task. They were simply told which way to turn at each intersection, much 
like following commands on Google Waze or a GPS unit on the dashboard.


What the investigators found was clear. When participants had to do the 
hard mental work of figuring out which way to turn, the researchers saw 
more activity in the subjects’ hippocampus—a part of the brain 
associated with memory and spatial navigation. Not only that, there was 
a direct connection between the amount of brain activity and how many 
connections (and thus route options) the street at hand had with other 
roads. In short, the more complex the street, the more activity in that 
part of the brain.


The result was like a “rollercoaster of hippocampal activity depending 
on the street network,” Spiers says.


But that wasn’t the case in the scenario that simulated using GPS. In 
fact, the relationship between brain activity and street complexity was 
totally “abolished,” Spiers says, when people were just following 
directions.


They recently published their findings 
 in the journal Nature 
Communications. Past research has pointed towards similar results: taxi 
drivers learning London’s thousands of streets actually gained grey 
matter in their hippocampi 
.


Spiers points out that in an era where getting turn-by-turn directions 
is as easy as looking at a smartphone, something may be lost—just like 
how a muscle you don’t use atrophies. People using a navigation service 
to tell them where to go aren’t stimulating their hippocampus, he says. 
“And that might well not be good for you,” he adds. “It might be better 
to actually give your brain a bit more of a workout.”


Of course, there are obvious benefits to GPS navigation, including a 
considerable reduction in stress, but Spiers hopes to find a balance 
between making navigation easy and teaching us about the environment 
through which we’re moving. He adds: “I’m hoping in the future we’ll 
start making technology that more empowers us.”



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Re: [RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Steve Palincsar]

And one this really is for sure: Michael's post is classic clickbait.


On 02/23/2018 05:08 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Michael, I understand what you are saying, but your title of “Unsafe helmets” 
does give your position. You see helmets by those brands as “unsafe” because 
they are subsidiarities of gun companies. Only someone with a gun-control 
position would call that “unsafe.” The opposite arguement can also be made, by 
concieled carry folks, that these are “safe” helmets because they are 
subsidiarities of gun companies. And my just naming those two extremes, without 
delving into nuanced positions between or off the line on the X,Y, or Z axis of 
a 3-d grid can artifically limit understanding to a false polarity. Sigh. 
Unintended consequences are a bug-a-boo, aye? Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Deacon Patrick]

Michael, I understand what you are saying, but your title of “Unsafe helmets” 
does give your position. You see helmets by those brands as “unsafe” because 
they are subsidiarities of gun companies. Only someone with a gun-control 
position would call that “unsafe.” The opposite arguement can also be made, by 
concieled carry folks, that these are “safe” helmets because they are 
subsidiarities of gun companies. And my just naming those two extremes, without 
delving into nuanced positions between or off the line on the X,Y, or Z axis of 
a 3-d grid can artifically limit understanding to a false polarity. Sigh. 
Unintended consequences are a bug-a-boo, aye? Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Make me a baby Mtn. step-thru

[Bob K.]

Oh, and I should add that I would probably go with a front seat to start 
things off with an infant and move to the trailer around two. Again, it all 
depends on the type of riding you want to do. She loved the trailer right 
when we started using it (around 1?) and would still love it if I hadn't 
sold it. Bad move!

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: Make me a baby Mtn. step-thru

[Bob K.]

I have tried several scenarios for kid hauling:

1. Thule Ridealong: This is a rear seat that attaches to the seat tube. 
Easy to remove, but the ugly attachment/base stays on the seat tube when 
the seat is removed unless you want to take the time to remove it, too. The 
design gives the seat a bit of suspension. I found this to be awesome in 
normal road/town riding, but the suspension was a bit much when on a rail 
trail or fire road. If town riding is generally what you'll be doing, and 
you want a rear seat, you could certainly do worse than the Ridealong. 

2. Cougar Chariot (2): I got the two-seater so I could put some other stuff 
in there along with my daughter. She loved this trailer, and quite frankly, 
I don't know why I sold it. I do know that I couldn't use it on the C 
towpath (double track) because of its wheelbase, so I sold it for a 
single-wheeled trailer.

3. Frances Farfarer: After strongly considering the Weehoo, I went with the 
Farfarer because it's just over 1/3 of the weight. I also liked that it was 
made by a framebuilder in CA. He lives in Santa Cruz, and has documented 
the trailer's use with his daughter. It's incredibly lightweight (9-ish 
pounds?) and is a really well-designed trailer. Unfortunately, even my 
rather tall daughter tends to sink down into the trailer. She doesn't seem 
to like it nearly as much as the erstwhile Chariot. We also didn't end up 
doing the C tour last year, so I'm considering unloading the Farfarer for 
a Weehoo or giving it another try since she's a year older (and bigger). 
I'm on the fence about keeping this trailer in general because it is super 
versatile, but with its resale value just south of $500, it's pretty tough 
to justify keeping it around if I'm not using it regularly.

Overall, the Weehoo seems pretty ideal, and if I knew what I know now, 
that's where I would've gone for #3. I do think the fully-covered trailers 
are a great option if the roads where you live are wide enough that you're 
not concerned about drivers giving you enough space. I also would highly 
recommend going with the double. It's not that much wider, and it gives you 
a ton of extra space for stuffed animals, snacks, groceries, etc. 

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: HAVE: Hubbuhubbuh Orange Medium; WANT: Sage Small

[iamkeith]

Cross-post of potential interest for you, Max:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/internet-bob/C-GR9CSI-TI



On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 10:40:46 AM UTC-7, Max S wrote:
>
> Just like it says on the tin: have an orange size medium Rivendell 
> Hubbuhubbuh Tandem, but would prefer a size small in the sage colorway. 
> It’s currently built up with the regular mix of parts that Riv provides, so 
> a frame for frame swap, or a purchase, or a complete swap are options. If 
> someone wants to buy the thing, I’d then purchase the small / sage from 
> Riv. (Build details upon request.) 
>
> - Max in A2 

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Michael Hechmer]

First, I did not introduce an irrelevant political topic, at least not any 
more than a discussion of say AAA's opposition to bike lanes might be 
considered outside the bounds of this group.  Second,  I did not explicitly 
ask anyone to accept my political position, or for that matter did I even 
state it.  I simply offered information to be considered.  Third, my 
posting title may have lead some to jump to false assumptions if they were 
only considering their own safety. Finally, yes, one can construct an 
argument that my post was outside the bounds of this lists, but one would 
then have to also exclude everything GP has written about helmets and 
clothes.  I can remember many lengthy threads on this list about diets, 
about which we do not agree, and have nothing to do with RBW, other than 
GPs espousal.  I am not asking for a discussion, I simply inform you where 
your money goes when you buy Bell or Giro helmets.  

Michael
 

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 12:22:54 PM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> Nothing wrong with the helments, so yeah, misleading title.  Clickbait, 
> even.  As for the rest of it, this is not a political forum. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:57:25 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> Before you buy your next helmet you should consider this:
>> https://www.bikebiz.com/news/anti-gun-bike-brand-boycott
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Lum Gim Fong]

"Your bike could be impounded" should be added to those signs.

I remember a cyclist who twice did not honor no tresspassing signs and once 
he was detained by cops and fined after quite a wait. I was thinking that I 
wonder why he wasn't ever worried about his ~10,000$US bike being impounded 
if he would have been arrested.
They probably would have thrown it on top of the heap of other bikes they 
keep in their yard. Many scratches and bent derailer and dented tubes 
later...

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[RBW] Re: FS-Joe Appaloosa

[Gossamer]

ALL:

Bicycle is still up for sale. Been a year and I haven't tried to sell it in 
a while. Ruptured my Achilles and will not be riding any time soon. PM me 
if you have interest. As close to new as you will find.



On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 9:16:53 PM UTC-6, Gossamer wrote:
>
> As close to new 58 Appaloosa in blue.
>
> Buil kit from Riv that included Nitto Choco Moose bars and added a read 
> Pletscher Rack with pannier rails, front Mark's rack and Sackville small 
> trunk (gray), kickstand. Currently has a Soma drop bar on it with Dura Ace 
> shifters. Already newbaumed chain stay, both sets of bars and put on a 
> great bell.
>
> Bike has fewer than 100 miles on it. It's closer to new than a demo could 
> be...it's sadly too big despite following the fit guide.
>
> I'd be happy to discuss further if someone would like. I'd like to get 
> $2100 for it since I have more than $2600 into it. It will be 
> professionally shipped and you'll get both bars and all mentioned above. 
> Only thing I would keep are the saddle and the pedals.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[tc]

You could be right. 26 H frames and 32 H completes in stock at the moment. 



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[RBW] FS/FT: 1985 Trek 870 MTB

[Drw]

Sort of a sad day, but i have a kid almost here and a roscoe bubbe mtn 
coming that will make a way better kid hauler. So I'm offering up for sale 
my beloved Trek 870. It's the top of the line model from 1985. I got into 
bikes by getting into vintage treks and this one was a model i had my eye 
out for for many years.  I eventually found it as a 30$ frame that i bought 
out of someone's trunk, had it powdercoated and got the original decals and 
stuff for it. 





 

 

 



It's the 22in model. I'm 5'10 with an 86pbh and it fits me great. Tange 
prestige tubing. Huge tire clearances (has 2.2 tires on it right now with 
lots of room leftover). HERE 
 is the catalog 
with all the info/geo. 

Wheels are used but in good shape. Newish halo twin rail tires. New headset 
and bb. Crank is now a xd2 triple. Newish deore rear der.. seatpost and 
front der. are vintage/nothing special. has a brooks flyer on it now. i put 
a rear brake support thing on it because i had one lying around. 90's era 
shimano canti's.


Full disclosure: it has a few very small and shallow dings that happened 
during shipment back from painting. these are on the top tube and one on 
the seatstay, and are purely cosmetic. they are near impossible to see 
unless up close staring down the length of the tube. Hard enough to see 
that i couldn't get the painter to acknowledge them in photographs when i 
was complaining. Ill do my best to photograph them, if you are interested. 


I'm looking to sell it as :

*-Frame/fork/wheels/tires/seatpost/brakes-300$+shipping*

or

*-Frame/fork/wheels/tires/crankset/derailleurs/seatpost/brakes/brooks flyer 
saddle in honey-450$+shipping*

(i'm not including rack, pedals, cockpit or bag)


If you are in southern california, we can avoid shipping. 

i'm sentimental about it and I mainly just want it to go to home where 
someone will appreciate what it is and enjoy it without destroying it. 


open to partial trades for the following things

-nice, newer cantilever or v-brake set

-650b tires. 50mm or larger. G-one speed ideally. 

-long cage clutch rear derailler in VGC

-interesting 1x cranks. square taper, 170-172mm arms. 

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[dougP]

In a small business, there are numerous opportunities for poor decisions.  
Often it's the first time a particular decision has been required, and it's 
made with not enough information and unknown risk.  But that's all you've 
got to go on.  NOT doing something can be as poor a decision as pursuing 
something that goes sideways.

Good to hear that the gift card program is well received.  

dougP  

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 10:29:54 AM UTC-8, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill for the update. I’ll keep my fingers crossed this works and 
> buys them time to course correct. I wonder what business decisions they 
> made that a Grant now regrets. 

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[RBW] Re: Roadini: potential for 650B on 700C frame sizes?

[Michael Doleman]

Yeah, this is more or less my thinking as well, but just wanted to kinda 
double-check on it to know what I'm up against.

I put enough dings and dents into my 10-year-old Sam Hillborne that I'm 
ready to move on to something else. Initially I'd thought just get another 
Sam, but I'm looking at the Roadini and it really looks exactly like the 
road bike of my dreams. So I am considering it carefully (in part because 
it's a lot cheaper than a new Sam). I would, likely, eventually get a 
second bike, something more trail/dirt oriented. But I also like to be able 
to have the option for taking any bike I ride onto rougher terrain if/when 
desired.

Anyway, looking at all the options. And it looks like now is the time to 
get while the gettin's good, so to speak, given that latest missive about 
cash flow problems. I know it's going to be one of the two frames, so I 
went ahead and bought $300 in gift cards, toward the "hail mary" effort. 
Hope it helps. Fingers crossed.



On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 11:31:18 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> My super-not-educated thoughts are that 650B conversions are easier for 
> 700C bikes that start with short-reach brakes and a high-ish BB. Roadini 
> has neither so I'm thinking you'll encounter more debits than benefits with 
> this project. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Patrick Moore]

The last one alone is worth the price of admission.

Patrick "Brain? What brain?" Moore

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Bill Lindsay]

>From my perspective it's 100% inventory issues.  In order to sell the bikes 
they want to sell for a price that it "reasonable", they have to buy them 
in batches from Taiwan, cash up front.  They just got Sams, and Roadinis, 
and Appaloosas and have a Clem order coming really soon.  That's a lot of 
cash they have to tie up in inventory so they have bikes to sell this 
Spring.  They have to pay the bill now and they get it back as their 
inventory gets sold. 

Bill

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 11:31:56 AM UTC-8, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> I know  RIv is not a non profit but I would donate as well or consider it 
> a subscription to all their writings. I see Roadini’s are still in stock in 
> all sizes. I assume most of the models are selling well but I am guessing 
> slight changes in demand can have big cash flow implications. I also don’t 
> know what the profit margin is and with the price increases, maybe the 
> margins decreased as well. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Patrick Moore]

Perhaps we ought to charge annual reading and posting fees for this list,
proceeds to go to Rivendell. What should the tariffs be?

Or perhaps, pay per post? I'd have to cut back!

Or, perhaps a fine for silly posts like this.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Jonathan D.  wrote:

> I know  RIv is not a non profit but I would donate as well or consider it
> a subscription to all their writings. I see Roadini’s are still in stock in
> all sizes. I assume most of the models are selling well but I am guessing
> slight changes in demand can have big cash flow implications. I also don’t
> know what the profit margin is and with the price increases, maybe the
> margins decreased as well.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Jonathan D.]

I know  RIv is not a non profit but I would donate as well or consider it a 
subscription to all their writings. I see Roadini’s are still in stock in all 
sizes. I assume most of the models are selling well but I am guessing slight 
changes in demand can have big cash flow implications. I also don’t know what 
the profit margin is and with the price increases, maybe the margins decreased 
as well. 

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Re: [RBW] Roadini: potential for 650B on 700C frame sizes?

[Tim Gavin]

622 - 584 = 38
38 / 2 = 19

You need 19 mm more reach from 700c to 650b.  Even assuming ~50 mm current
reach (you said the stock setup has the pads halfway), it sounds like Paul
Racers wouldn't provide enough reach; you'd need DC/Weinmann-style
centerpulls.

I converted my '97 Riv Road Standard to 650b, because it couldn't even fit
a 700 x 28 tire in the rear.  Chainstay and fork leg width constrains me to
a 650 x 38 tire max.

Personally, I'd stick with 700c wheels on a Roadini.  Aka, buy a different
bike if you want wider tires.  I bought my Riv used, locally, and have been
adapting it since.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Michael Doleman 
wrote:

> I'm considering the purchase of a Roadini frame, and am wondering if
> perhaps it'd be just possible to use 650B wheels on one of the frames
> intended for 700C -- for the purpose of being able to run wider tires,
> if/when desired.
>
> The site says that 57mm reach is necessary, and in the pictures, so far as
> I can tell, it looks like they have Shimano Tiagra 57mm-max-reach brakes,
> with the pads seemingly set about halfway to the bottom. Working that out
> in my head, it would seem that by using something such as the Paul Racer
> centerpull, with a reach of 67mm, it might be just possible to make it
> happen. There are options for brakes with reach up to 73mm, of course, but
> those are not as high-quality and I'd like to avoid having to change-out
> the brakes to run a different wheel. Aside from the brake reach, though, is
> the other question as to whether the width of -- say -- a 40 or 45mm tire
> will fit. Height wouldn't be a problem, but width might be -- chainline,
> derailleur, etc.
>
> Anyone have any input on these factors? I'd appreciate it.
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[RBW] Roadini: potential for 650B on 700C frame sizes?

[Joe Bernard]

My super-not-educated thoughts are that 650B conversions are easier for 700C 
bikes that start with short-reach brakes and a high-ish BB. Roadini has neither 
so I'm thinking you'll encounter more debits than benefits with this project. 

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[RBW] Roadini: potential for 650B on 700C frame sizes?

[Michael Doleman]

I'm considering the purchase of a Roadini frame, and am wondering if 
perhaps it'd be just possible to use 650B wheels on one of the frames 
intended for 700C -- for the purpose of being able to run wider tires, 
if/when desired.

The site says that 57mm reach is necessary, and in the pictures, so far as 
I can tell, it looks like they have Shimano Tiagra 57mm-max-reach brakes, 
with the pads seemingly set about halfway to the bottom. Working that out 
in my head, it would seem that by using something such as the Paul Racer 
centerpull, with a reach of 67mm, it might be just possible to make it 
happen. There are options for brakes with reach up to 73mm, of course, but 
those are not as high-quality and I'd like to avoid having to change-out 
the brakes to run a different wheel. Aside from the brake reach, though, is 
the other question as to whether the width of -- say -- a 40 or 45mm tire 
will fit. Height wouldn't be a problem, but width might be -- chainline, 
derailleur, etc.

Anyone have any input on these factors? I'd appreciate it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/23/2018 02:05 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Wooden sign on a pine tree on a dirt road turn off on one of my favorite rides: 
“Your GPS is WRONG!”



I googled "GPS is wrong" looking for image results.  Here are a few:
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 32F, with front tab!

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hello Holger,

PM sent... Let me know if you do not receive it!

Thanks,

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Patrick Moore]

I hope the Hail Mary request has generated as much cash as comment.

I called and talked to Will, 'cause I hate signing in to things, and
donated $20 (I said "donate" but apparently I get something out of it. Oh
well). I told him I wanted Rivendell to be around until I die. Let's hope
it is.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:

> Maybe it has been mentioned but...
>
> The "Hail Mary" option now includes $10/50/100 options, making >$10
> purchases all the more easy...
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/featured-products/
> products/hail-mary-store-credit
>
> And highly recommended!
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Deacon Patrick]

Wooden sign on a pine tree on a dirt road turn off on one of my favorite rides: 
“Your GPS is WRONG!”

I chuckle every time I see this as I crank up the slope of Pikes Peak. Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Kainalu V.]

I hope the bad decision[s] isn't/don't include the 360° super silver 
shifter project, because that's what my poor credit's all in on...
-Kai 
BK NY


On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 1:29:54 PM UTC-5, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill for the update. I’ll keep my fingers crossed this works and 
> buys them time to course correct. I wonder what business decisions they 
> made that a Grant now regrets. 

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Doug H.]

I’ve been thinking maybe stocking too may Clem H style bikes may have strained 
the budget? They didn’t sell as well as the L style and have been discounted. 
Doug in Athens, GA

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[RBW] Re: Make me a baby Mtn. step-thru

[Mike Packard]

I second the Weehoo recommendation. It's recumbent enough the kiddo can 
fall asleep, they can pedal when they want to, and it's 1 wheel so super 
maneuverable. Takes about as much room as a normal bike in the garage.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 32F, with front tab!

[HKett]

Anyone got one of these available? Got a tour coming up in a few weeks, 
would love to have this rack along for the ride :)

On Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 9:57:05 AM UTC-8, HKett wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for a Nitto 32F mini-front rack, but I'd love one with the 
> front light mount tab. It seems the newly produced ones no longer have this 
> feature. 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/racks/products/nitto-mini-front-rack-32f-20020
>
> If you have one you're looking to move along please message me!
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Holger
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[RBW] Re: Make me a baby Mtn. step-thru

[Ruben Flores]

my two cents (because that is all I have left having recently gone down 
this path). Rear seat fits for a much longer time than a stem mounted 
style. I found the Yepp the outstanding choice (having had a couple of both 
kids and seats). We used the seat tube mounted model, clamped like a vise, 
felt like you could carry twice the stated limit and the mounting point 
lowered the center of gravity a bit.

Mandatory in my book is a double kickstand

Surly single chainrings are pretty good and come in many different sizes.

as far as something my wife "invented" she took a piece of elastic tied 
around her waist, attached half a dozen toys to it, so with Everly on the 
Yepp the toys were right at eye and hand level.

one more tip, try and get the gearing so low that rider will never stand, 
when you stand (my wife is a masher) the bike jumps forward almost 
inpercievably but when you are riding next to the baby seat you can her 
helmet lurching back and forth.
 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 7:43:58 PM UTC-8, Drw wrote:

> Providence or bad luck had it that Rivendell would find a hidden roscoe 
> bubbe mountain mixte on the same day that i was looking for one on the 
> group, and then right after i bought it and felt like i was super 
> impulsive, they sent out the email that made me feel good about spending 
> money i dont really have today so i added a wheelset to the order... 
> to, you know keep supporting them. 
>
>  My main reason for looking for this type of bike is to turn it into a kid 
> carrying thing for the next 2 years.  i feel like the step thru is gonna 
> make baby mounting, stopping/starting and getting on/off feel much more 
> stable, OR i always thought these frames were badass and this feels like a 
> legitimate reason i can convince myself of. 
>
> Anyway, i've got a vintage trek mtb that will be donating some parts. i'd 
> like to set this up as a 1x with a big cassette, which will be a new 
> venture for me. 
> heres the list of what ive already got. in my head, i'm thinking 
> apocalypse s240 baby carriage and i'm gonna do my best to treat the bike 
> unpreciously (hopefully the lack of lugs will encourage some roughness)
>  
> -nitto bullmoose cockpit with thumb shifters
> -riv budget 650b wheelset (alex rims and lx hubs)
> -riv stock headset, seatpost, bb
>
> I'm looking for recommendations on 
>
> -baby seats  (and/or racks that work with them if needed)
> -other kid bike things besides seats that you found useful that i dont 
> even know exist yet
> -tires
> -1x crank and other 1x things i should be considering. 
> -big cassette
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Jonathan D.]

Thanks Bill for the update. I’ll keep my fingers crossed this works and buys 
them time to course correct. I wonder what business decisions they made that a 
Grant now regrets. 

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Bill Lindsay]

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 9:17:41 AM UTC-8, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Anyone know if the Hail Mary is having an impact or how much more they 
> need? Are there other options to support them?  I bought stuff from both 
> rivendell and Rivelo this past month along with a few gift cards. 


Dave S is the GM at Riv.  I emailed Dave after I screwed up and generated a 
bunch of $10 gift cards when I'd rather have one big one.  Dave arranged to 
consolidate my many credits into one for me.  While I "had his ear", I 
asked how HailMary was going, and he said "better than expected".  I told 
him that I could potentially help additionally if it was necessary, and he 
thanked me for that, but said it was not at the moment.  

So, if you are well-heeled and want to loan Rivendell $10k - $50k at lower 
interest than a line of credit, reach out to Dave.  Maybe they'd want it, 
but my guess is they won't.  If you don't want to enter that kind of 
arrangement with Rivendell Bicycle Works, then buying things they have in 
stock and buying store credit are the best two things you can do.  Giving 
away those $10 gift certs to your friends, triggering them to spend $100 
each would be even better.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

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[RBW] Re: Make me a baby Mtn. step-thru

[David B]

I've been happy with the Yepp seats. We started with a Yepp mini in the 
front, and recently went to a Yepp maxi easyfit for a rear rack. I ended up 
getting the Yepp specific rack with the Easyfit window. The rack itself is 
a monster, but that's exactly what I wanted in a rack that was supporting 
my son. The Easyfit window is wonderful and very secure. 
I ordered the rear seat and rack from Holland Bike Shop. It was fun to poke 
around their webstore too. Lots of options for child seats.
The rack I ordered is a Steco Power Safety carrier.
Here's the setup on my Clem: 
https://www.instagram.com/p/Baj5rBWBGPT/?taken-by=treetopgoods
David
River Grove, IL

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 9:43:58 PM UTC-6, Drw wrote:
>
> Providence or bad luck had it that Rivendell would find a hidden roscoe 
> bubbe mountain mixte on the same day that i was looking for one on the 
> group, and then right after i bought it and felt like i was super 
> impulsive, they sent out the email that made me feel good about spending 
> money i dont really have today so i added a wheelset to the order... 
> to, you know keep supporting them. 
>
>  My main reason for looking for this type of bike is to turn it into a kid 
> carrying thing for the next 2 years.  i feel like the step thru is gonna 
> make baby mounting, stopping/starting and getting on/off feel much more 
> stable, OR i always thought these frames were badass and this feels like a 
> legitimate reason i can convince myself of. 
>
> Anyway, i've got a vintage trek mtb that will be donating some parts. i'd 
> like to set this up as a 1x with a big cassette, which will be a new 
> venture for me. 
> heres the list of what ive already got. in my head, i'm thinking 
> apocalypse s240 baby carriage and i'm gonna do my best to treat the bike 
> unpreciously (hopefully the lack of lugs will encourage some roughness)
>  
> -nitto bullmoose cockpit with thumb shifters
> -riv budget 650b wheelset (alex rims and lx hubs)
> -riv stock headset, seatpost, bb
>
> I'm looking for recommendations on 
>
> -baby seats  (and/or racks that work with them if needed)
> -other kid bike things besides seats that you found useful that i dont 
> even know exist yet
> -tires
> -1x crank and other 1x things i should be considering. 
> -big cassette
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Wayne Naha]

Nothing wrong with the helments, so yeah, misleading title.  Clickbait, 
even.  As for the rest of it, this is not a political forum. 

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>
> Before you buy your next helmet you should consider this:
> https://www.bikebiz.com/news/anti-gun-bike-brand-boycott
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[RBW] Re: FS- White Industries Dos Eno 16/19

[Kainalu V.]

Sold pending payment...


On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 11:28:34 AM UTC-5, Kainalu V. wrote:
>
> Hi! 
> I've got a used Dos Eno 16/19. The 16 is well loved (used), the 19 is 
> hardly used (for about a mile once). Sounds and spins along great, $40 + 
> shipping or your best offer. Paypal F preferred, or Venmo, or whatever...
> Please Private message me (kaivierstra ahat gmail dot com(mmm
> Thanks
> -Kai
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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Jonathan D.]

Anyone know if the Hail Mary is having an impact or how much more they need? 
Are there other options to support them?  I bought stuff from both rivendell 
and Rivelo this past month along with a few gift cards. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot repaint

[Eric Norris]

Actually, decals for pretty much any bike, including classics, are available. 
This retailer sells decals for a wide variety of makes and models, although 
they don’t seem to have any Rivendell models:

www.velocals.com  

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> On Feb 23, 2018, at 7:50 AM, RichS  wrote:
> 
> Very pretty! Amazed that Riv still had Bleriot decals available. 
> 
> Best,
> Richard
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[RBW] Re: Roadini vs Homer

[Davey Two Shoes]

Get it, Validate it as your bike to lock up outside the cafe. I'd never 
want to lock up a Homer, too pretty!

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot repaint

[RichS]

Very pretty! Amazed that Riv still had Bleriot decals available. 

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: New to me Sam

[Rusty Click]

You're gonna love how that Sam rides.  Enjoy!  



On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 6:12:31 PM UTC-5, Bob Warner wrote:
>
> Greetings RBW Bunch,
> Thought I'd post my new to me Sam Hillborne!  I'm pretty excited about 
> this bike.  I'm the second owner of the frame, and just built it up with 
> parts from my recently dismantled Nordavinden (soon to be for sale)
> It's my first Riv, and based upon the maiden shake down ride today, it 
> rides like a dream.   I've read a lot about Riv bikes, and have followed 
> this forum for some time now, but did not realize what truly sublime rides 
> they are.Looking forward to many long rides this year with Sam!!
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[William Henderson]

Yep, many folks do just that – use Ride Report for quick daily trips and
Strava for longer rides out of town.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:22 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> RideReport looks cool. Will I be able to run RideReport and Strava
> simultaneously on my iPhone?  Seems like I should since they would both
> just simple consumers of GPS data.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito Ca
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[RBW] Re: Bleriot repaint

[Surlyprof]

That looks fantastic!  Copper was always on my short list if I ever decided 
to repaint the Hillborne.  Love the white headtube and matching fork.

John

On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 1:14:13 PM UTC-8, RonaTD wrote:
>
> Bad quick iPhone photos for now. Waterford aced it. 
>
> https://flic.kr/p/23ebL9D
>
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Bill Lindsay]

RideReport looks cool. Will I be able to run RideReport and Strava 
simultaneously on my iPhone?  Seems like I should since they would both just 
simple consumers of GPS data. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr build "done"

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Unfortunately the corks are all that remain in my stash :(

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[William!]

If you are looking for something that *automatically* tracks your rides 
(great for trips around town), check out Ride Report . 
And in case you are wondering, yes you will earn a virtual trophy if you 
ride to Rivendell HQ and/or Rivelo with the app installed.

(disclosure: I work on Ride Report 邏)

Best,
William

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 6:05:30 AM UTC-8, Ryan Merrill wrote:
>
> I went through a time of using varuiys cateye wired computers, then to a 
> Garmin 500, a Garmin 1000 explore and now I use a Garmin fenix watch. The 
> garmins are nice because you don't have to clutter your bike up with a 
> bunch of sensors and they seem to really work well. I've had no issues out 
> of them; heck, my wife is using the 500 now. I think I have a few cateyes 
> in drawers throughout the house.
>
> I like the watch the best because I always have it with me and I can use 
> it when I race cyclocross without fearing losing the garmin on the course 
> (I crash a lot). I got my Garmin 1000 explore up for sale (if anybody wants 
> it just give me a holler). 
>
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:44:03 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
>> Next in the series (
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/what$20do$20rivendell$20riders%7Csort:relevance
>> ):
>>
>> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>>
>> I am looking for minimal features:
>>
>> total distance
>> trip distance
>> climbing feet
>>
>>
>> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
>> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>>
>>
>> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on 
>> my bike.*
>>
>> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of 
>> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Kite bar?

[Jeremy Tavan]

I have one currently mounted on the tandem, which has gotten almost no use 
since build, so I can't give anything more than a vague positive impression 
of it. It's a bit like an Albatross but not quite as steeply swept back, 
resulting in a wider bar, as you pointed out. It's very similar to a Surly 
Open Bar, and if I were interested in this kind of bar I'd look hard at the 
Surly rather than importing something so similar from Japan. I definitely 
find the albatross more swept-back than I like, so these bars fill a useful 
niche.

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 5:39:40 AM UTC-8, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> Has anyone here tried it? It looks sweet. 
>
> https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-b355-kite-bar-silver.html
>
> I've had the Albatross, Salsa wide mountain bars, and Riv- Bullmoose on my 
> Appaloosa, but I feel a wider Albatross style would be just right for me. 
>
> M
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've been a little reluctant to post but it seems folks are interested in 
the response to Grant's email. I bought a fist full shortly after the email 
appeared. I plan on giving certificates to people I know who might be 
interested in what Riv has to offer. My hope is that by doing so the 
customer base will grow.
Can't help but feel that the my world would be a poorer place without RBW 
in it. If that sounds over-stated, hey so be it. I know I'm preaching 
directly to the choir by posting here but I will say that if you value an 
enterprise you should strongly consider supporting it. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Bob Lovejoy]

Maybe it has been mentioned but...

The "Hail Mary" option now includes $10/50/100 options, making >$10 
purchases all the more easy... 

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/featured-products/products/hail-mary-store-credit

And highly recommended!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL 

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Ryan Merrill]

I went through a time of using varuiys cateye wired computers, then to a 
Garmin 500, a Garmin 1000 explore and now I use a Garmin fenix watch. The 
garmins are nice because you don't have to clutter your bike up with a 
bunch of sensors and they seem to really work well. I've had no issues out 
of them; heck, my wife is using the 500 now. I think I have a few cateyes 
in drawers throughout the house.

I like the watch the best because I always have it with me and I can use it 
when I race cyclocross without fearing losing the garmin on the course (I 
crash a lot). I got my Garmin 1000 explore up for sale (if anybody wants it 
just give me a holler). 

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:44:03 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:

> Next in the series (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/what$20do$20rivendell$20riders%7Csort:relevance
> ):
>
> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>
> I am looking for minimal features:
>
> total distance
> trip distance
> climbing feet
>
>
> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>
>
> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on 
> my bike.*
>
> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of 
> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
>

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[RBW] Unsafe helmets

[Garth]

   
   Feeding the wild animals is all fun until the wild animal turns to the 
feeder ... "you're next".

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[RBW] Nitto Kite bar?

[Michael Morrissey]

Has anyone here tried it? It looks sweet. 

https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-b355-kite-bar-silver.html

I've had the Albatross, Salsa wide mountain bars, and Riv- Bullmoose on my 
Appaloosa, but I feel a wider Albatross style would be just right for me. 

M

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Re: [RBW] Unsafe helmets

[Lee Legrand]

Misleading title?: Yes
Bad for Forum?: Ehh
Political topic that will inform some and enrage others?: Priceless

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:52 AM, Daniel D.  wrote:

> Misleading title...
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr build "done"

[Belopsky]

Send me Allagash as it is not distributed in Michigan.

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr build "done"

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Looks terrific, well done!  Those Allagash corks are a nice touch and always a 
perfect fit for bar plugs... I keep a stash for the exact same thing.  And nice 
dangle, lol.

Brian Cole

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[RBW] Unsafe helmets

[Daniel D.]

Misleading title...

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