Re: [RBW] Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

[Jim Bronson]

With the bar ends, it's more a function of sweat dripping off other
parts of my body since they are closer to the rider.  It seems to go
from my chin right on to the bar-ends fairly frequently.  With
brifters, the mechanism is much farther forwards so they seem to get
less sweat.  They do get the sweat off of your hands and arms, but
none of the sweat off of your torso.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 12/10/2015 11:04 AM, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat
>> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum
>> them up fairly regularly.
>
>
> Would you be even more likely to gum up brifters with sweat?  I mean, your
> hands are right on the levers all the time with brifters, whereas with bar
> end shifters you grab hold of the lever only when you're shifting.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

[Jim Bronson]

When I used brifters more often, I did simultaneous shifts all the
time, especially when transitioning from the big ring to the middle
ring.  I'd hit the button on both brifters to go to a smaller ring on
both front and back, and it would be a perfect transition every time.
Well ok one time I dropped my chain, but that was the only time I can
ever remember that happening and I'd done a similar shift hundreds if
not thousands of times.

Now, the remnants of my go-fast bike are in spare parts boxes in my garage.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 2:40 PM, jeffrey kane <jsk_onl...@mac.com> wrote:
> Personally, I prefer the term dual-control lever. And while I love them --
> loved Shimano 9, loved Campy Record 10 -- I didn't like Shimano 10 and
> haven't been able to settle on a choice for a new set. I hate telling myself
> how much I like D/T shifters. I mean, I'm already a grouch but still ... I
> can't get over how much I like their ease, ergonomics and overall genius of
> design .. and I love that simultaneous one-handed front and back shifting.
> Heck, I'm currently running D/T shifters as preference over Shimano 10 dual
> control levers on my commuter bike these days ... in NYC traffic!
>
> That said, Sram has my eye. I'd like to do a 1x set up with that crazy
> 10-/42 rear cassette on my commuter ... and one day I swear I'm gonna shave
> off my cable stops and go for that e-Tap system. Come on man: just 4 parts
> and no wires, cables or housing ... just bolt 'em on, pair 'em up and go.
> But first, lets see how the pros do next season all bunched up together
> mixing up wireless signals and all. I 'm happy to wait a few years for the
> wide range mtb/touring version anyway.
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 11:05:33 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat
>> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum
>> them up fairly regularly.
>>
>> Then something like this comes up.
>>
>> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE=10052=10053=-1_source=nashbar_medium=email_content=151210Th_campaign=Products_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com=12498453=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1=643355659=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0
>>
>> And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than
>> what Riv sells bar-ends for...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

[Jim Bronson]

I think the reason i use "brifter" is because I'm too lazy to type out
"dual control lever".  Perhaps if we used an acronym?  DCL?

"I decided to go with DCL instead of bar-ends"

perhaps?

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Eddie Flayer <eddie.fla...@right.com> wrote:
> tongue in cheek, but to some degree I think the term Luddite is apropos in
> this conversation. Of course bar ends and downtubes are just fine, but the
> dual control lever is a work of engineering art all to itself. Maybe we
> should call them paddle shifters. Me thinks a great invention. To each their
> own.
>
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 8:05:33 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat
>> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum
>> them up fairly regularly.
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: TA zephyr triple crankset for sale,w/ Phil wood bb and TA chainrings

[Jim Bronson]

Just tell her it's perfectly normal to keep your bikes inside when you
live in an apartment ;)

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:24 AM, mike gasparino  wrote:
> Oh man I know. I used to have a shed at our old house out in the sticks but 
> we just moved closer to the city in an apartment and things are a little 
> tight!
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[RBW] Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

[Jim Bronson]

I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat
so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum
them up fairly regularly.

Then something like this comes up.
http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE=10052=10053=-1_source=nashbar_medium=email_content=151210Th_campaign=Products_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com=12498453=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1=643355659=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0

And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than
what Riv sells bar-ends for...

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Re: [RBW] FS: TA zephyr triple crankset for sale,w/ Phil wood bb and TA chainrings

[Jim Bronson]

I feel your pain, brother.  My wife is wanting me to clean out mine as
well.  And we only have a 1 car garage, so there's that additional
pressure to keep things tidy as well.  I'd really like to get a nice
shed and throw all my gardening and yard maintenance gear out there,
but, they don't come free unfortunately.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[Jim Bronson]

I run 44/28 and I only use the 28 if it's really steep, and usually by the
time I'm done with it I'm out of breath, so having to find the right gear
in the back after upshifting again is a welcome respite for me.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:31 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Yes the Compass cranks are beautiful, and compared to a new Carmina, a
> bargain.   They also require proprietary rings, a definite drawback.
>
> Thanks also for the posts of the "silver" cranks from RBW.  They are
> definitely not going on my bike.
>
> I run a 44/30 White Industries crank on my Ram and love it, but have never
> liked ring setups with 16 tooth jumps, like a 44/28.  It's to much work
> finding the next gear after a shift.  I'm looking to replace the RD2 on my
> Trek with a 48/34/26 because I live in Vermont, am over 70, but still like
> to (occasionally) take on a mountain climb and many of ours have 14% and up
> grades.  I can only sustain my cadence on the Ram (30/28) up to about 10%.
>
>
> I asked about the BB to know if I need to add a new one into this  budget.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 6:13:09 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/09/2015 06:06 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> and in addition to having no idea when Silver Cranks will be for sale, we
>> have no idea what they will cost.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 2:10:54 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>>>
>>> In addition to the sale price on the Grand Cru, VO has everything on 20%
>>> discount until the 15th I believe. Another lister here alerted me to that
>>> tidbit.
>>
>>
>>
>> Or, you could resolve the ambiguity & skip the wait, and go first class
>> with these:
>>
>>
>>
>> They're even nicer looking in real life.
>> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/cranks/rene-herse-double-crank/
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Rear Hub, 32H, 135mm Spacing

[Jim Bronson]

I thought the FH-M737 was a 7 speed freehub body?  Is it not?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> used ones are a dime a dozen on ebay.  OK, not a dime a dozen, but easy to
> find for under $30 without a skewer and maybe closer to $50 with a skewer.
> FH-M737 is a good search term.  They might have chewed up flanges from
> previous builds but I've never seen a failed flange on any of those Japanese
> XT hubs.  They're pretty bomber.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 4:20:42 PM UTC-8, Keith Muller wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm looking for a rear hub.  I need a 32H, 135mm spacing with a 8/9/10
>> speed freehub body.  Looking for an XT level hub, nothing to crazy.  Please
>> let me know if you have anything.  DM me if you do.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Keith
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Re: [RBW] Re: taping that brake bridge

[Jim Bronson]

he was tapping that arse-end brake bridge.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:47 PM, bo richardson  wrote:
> i read "taping the brake bridge" and wondered why anyone would want to put
> tape on a brake bridge and what kind of tape...
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 8:41:01 PM UTC-8, ted wrote:
>>
>> Last weekend I got my nerve up and took a drill and tap to the bottom of
>> the brake bridge on my AHH.
>> So now my bridge has a threaded hole in it for fender mounting.
>> Best I can tell the bottom of the square in the middle of the bridge is
>> about as thick as a thin nut. So I think there are enough threads there to
>> do the job. Sadly my local hardware store doesn't stock stainless button
>> head m5 bolts as short as I want so I had to cut some of one off so it
>> wouldn't interfere with the brake mounting. I will probably shorten the bolt
>> a bit more and move the fender closer to the bridge but for the moment the
>> fender is on there and seems pretty good.
>> So yay.
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Re: [RBW] Betty Foy in the news!

[Jim Bronson]

Ha that is greatness!  What a cool dog too.

-Jim

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 5:07 PM, LeahFoy  wrote:
> I didn't even know about this, but apparently my photo was snapped and used 
> as the cover of a news article talking about my city getting a recent 
> designation for being bike-friendly. Pictured is my Betty Foy and my dog, who 
> has let his celebrity go straight to his head. There will be no living with 
> him now.
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> https://flic.kr/p/AZuECA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv 12-40 cassette

[Jim Bronson]

I dunno about that.  Maybe it's not possible to overthink gearing, but it's
possible to spend too much time thinking about the gearing on your bike
when one should be thinking about more pressing things, like work, family
member's cancer treatment, pregnant wife, house maintenance, volunteer
obligations, etc, etc...

It's a guilty pleasure to obsess over your bicycle configuration, one that
I partake of quite frequently...

Oh well :)

Jim
On Dec 6, 2015 6:07 PM, "Steve Palincsar"  wrote:

>
>
> On 12/06/2015 06:49 PM, dougP wrote:
>
>> Interesting.  I thought maybe it was a mis-print. Grant has mentioned
>> that we tend to over-think gearing but it seems this cassette could be
>> improved with a more thoughtful cog selection.  A 4 tooth jump, another 4
>> tooth jump, then a 3 tooth jump, followed by 6?  Hmmaybe I'm
>> missing something?
>>
>
> I agree, normally the gaps continue to get larger the farther down the
> cassette you go, and this doesn't seem to make any kind of sense other than
> possibly simple expediency due to availability.  And IMHO it is virtually
> impossible to over-think gearing.
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Re: [RBW] Texas Rivendell Riders

[Jim Bronson]

Rivendell bicycling pub crawl anyone?  I've done a riding pub crawl with
the Frankenbike folks before but it would be cool to have an all-Rivendell
crawl.

I think the most recent one I did started at Draught Horse on Medical
Parkway, then to Little Woodrow's on W.6th and then lastly to Doc's
Motorworks on South Congress.  A subset of folks then went on to Trudy's on
30th and then lastly to a house party on North Loop.  Think I rolled home
around 5am.  LOL
On Dec 4, 2015 9:42 AM, "Sean C"  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>   I just bought a Bombadil and was wondering if there's anyone on this
> forum in the Central Texas (near Austin) area that I could talk to or meet
> up with for rides and to trade ideas.
>
>   Sean
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Re: [RBW] Re: Prayers for all effected by violence

[Jim Bronson]

Maybe everyone should ride bikes.  They'd probably be a lot happier.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Eddie Flayer  wrote:
> more than 75% of the voting population is in favor of stricter laws. we must
> have a truly representative democracy.
>
> On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 6:54:00 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I often pray the rosary as I ride, and especially now for all effected by
>> violence. Paris, Colorado Springs, Redlands/San Bernardino. May all hearts
>> turn to peace beyond all understanding.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>> www.OurHolyConception.org
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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Jim Bronson]

Been thinking about this some more.  One think about 11 speed that
I've noticed is that some sites claim that the cable pull is not the
same ratio throughout the travel.  Which makes me wonder if certain
shifters have to be paired with certain rear derailers.  I run the
Microshift bar-ends now, and would like to continue using them, but
with the uncertainty around cable pull, would they mix with a Shimano
derailer?  I dunno, maybe should stick with 10 speed, that makes
things a lot less complicated.  I know in that case I would only need
to change the shifter, cassette and chain to switch to 10 speed.  That
seems a bit more appealing, on second guess.

The other thing is, how to best achieve the gears I want.  It's easier
to run a slightly narrower cassette if you accept having a bigger jump
on your wide-low double.  Maybe I should just give up having a 32 or
34 in the back, and just run a smaller bailout gear.  The end goal is
to keep my lowest gear inches and highest gear inches around where
they are now, but bridge some of the gaps in the middle.

I can get a Miche 12-29 10 speed, which has the ratios
12-13-14-15-17-19-21-23-26-29 and also a loose 16 and a loose 24, from
XXCycle. for $59.53 shipped.  Removing the 23 and 26, and inserting
the 16 between the 15 and 17, and the 24 between the 21 and 29, gives
one 12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21-24-29.

With 44/24 the aforementioned modified ratios get you:
95.3 52.0
88.0 48.0
81.7 44.6
76.3 41.6
71.5 39.0
67.3 36.7
60.2 32.8
54.5 29.7
47.7 26.0
39.4 21.5

Current top gear with 44/28 and 11-34 in back is 104.0".  Current
lowest gear is 21.4.  So I give up a little top end, and the bottom
end is almost identical.  I do use the 104" gear pretty often on road
rides but maybe I just need to work on my coasting technique and
forget about it.

Why do I obsess about this stuff for months before spending a
relatively small amount of money?  It's a curse.

-Jim

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> ps, my favorite 9-speed is 12,13,14,15,16,18,21,24,29 - there is not a cliff
> anywhere in here - I'm running this with 42/25 and range is 94 down to 23
> inches
> XXcycle has them all - you could start with a Miche 12-25 11-sp, change one
> middle and final cog and have very close to what you're looking for - below
> 40 inches, drop to your bail out ring.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 8:03:34 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Miche doesn't go beyond 29 teeth, but I've built 3 custom 9 speeds and
>> love them all.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-6, Richard L wrote:
>>>
>>> You might be able to build what you want with Miche cassette cogs.  IRD
>>> also has an 12-32 11-speed cassette but not with the cogs you want.
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Re: [RBW] New product: quill stem with 31.8 open clamp

[Jim Bronson]

Could you run Noodles with a shim with this stem?

The front face opening would be convenient for packing up the bike.

-Jim

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Tim Gavin
 wrote:
> A Chinese company, Factory Five, has produced a 1" quill stem with an open,
> 31.8 mm clamp area ($100 retail).  Now, you can fit modern 31.8 diameter
> handlebars to your bike with a 1" steerer without using a
> quill-to-threadless adapter.
>
> The appearance is pretty nice: it has a polished silver finish and
> traditional geometry.  The oversized clamp is out of proportion to the rest
> of the stem, but it still looks much more traditional than a threadless
> stem.  With the open clamp, you could fit bars with a closed loop (like
> Jones Loop).
>
> Currently, it's only available with a 150 height and 90 mm extension (about
> as tall as a Nitto Pearl, not as tall as a Technomic/Tallux), but they say
> they'll make more sizes/extensions if demand allows.
>
> http://www.bikerumor.com/2015/12/02/factory-five-titan-stem-smoothly-brings-modern-bars-to-classic-frames/
>
> I know that there are some custom builders making this type of stem; can
> anyone share them, or other production 31.8/quill stems?
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
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Re: [RBW] Re: Eleven speeds on a ten-speed hub

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For me the 11 speed is about combining the features of a wide range
cassette with a narrow range cassette.  I frequently find myself
hunting for just the right gear and with 11-34 9 speed currently I
think the steps are a bit bigger than I would like.

I still want a fairly large cog in the back, but I also want close
spacing in the cruising speed ranges that I normally ride in - mid to
upper teens.  To me an 11 speed cassette is one way to solve that.

I've never felt like I've had too many gears with 9 speed and felt
like I wanted to step back to 7 speed.  Since we ride Rivendells that
are something of a throwback, I can appreciate the sentiment for less
gears, less complexity and nostalgia for older parts that worked well.
But there's nothing wrong with trying something newer either, so long
as it's economical, reliable and useful in operation.  11 speed prices
have fallen into the range of affordability, they seem to be as
reliable as anything else, and if they produce the desired effect,
then why not?  You don't have to join me if you're happy with what
you've got.  To each his/her own.  Just Ride.

Jim

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Montclair BobbyB
 wrote:
> I don't know, folks... There's inherent beauty (and plenty of gear choices) 
> in a 3x7 setup.  I love my front derailleur and a nice even chain line... 
> Just saying.  (11 speed??  Sorry, but to me that's just wrong).  I'll take 
> the heat for this comment, but I'm just not buying into this nonsense of 
> cramming more cogs on a cassette.  :)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Eleven speeds on a ten-speed hub

[Jim Bronson]

Cool idea, but too expensive if you use normal, practical wheels.  At
$250 per cassette it would make more sense to me to just have another
wheel built that was 11 speed compatible, and just use SRAM 1130 or
Shimano 105 cassettes.  The new wheel will have paid for itself by the
time you put your 2nd cassette on.  Even if you used an expensive
boutique hub on your new wheel like a Phil, the new wheel would pay
for itself by the 3rd cassette.

Now, if customer XYZ already uses silly expensive wheels, or
cassettes, or both, then this idea starts to make a lot more sense.
If I had a $2000 Zipp wheelset, wanted 11 speed, and used D/A, or Red
cassettes, then this makes a lot of sense.

Jim

On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 9:12 AM, DMG  wrote:
> Edco (which I was surprised to learn still exists) makes an 11-speed
> cassette that's designed to go on a 10 speed hub, if you run into problems
> with the removal option.
> http://www.bikerumor.com/2015/02/02/edcos-wheel-saving-teneleven-monoblock-cassette-now-available-through-reynolds-cycling/
>
> It's pricey, of course, but might still be a nicer option than the new wheel
> route!
>
> -Dan
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Re: [RBW] Eleven speeds on a ten-speed hub

[Jim Bronson]

Not true that 135 o.l.d. rear hubs are only made in disc.  Pretty much all
the boutique hub makers have them, for example:  http://www.whiteind.com/mi5
On Nov 26, 2015 11:38, "Kevin Lindsey"  wrote:

> I'm building a Sam for my wife and bought a complete Shimano 105 11-speed
> STI group for it.  Without thinking, I ordered a 650B wheel from Rivendell,
> only to find that it's a ten-speed hub.  Now, I know there are spacing
> issues with STI shifters, but I'm wondering what would happen if I simply
> removed the biggest gear from the 11-speed cluster and installed it on the
> hub.  Would the indexed shifting still work?  The spacing between the gears
> would remain the same and, in theory, I don't see how the transmission
> would know the difference.  However, I've built up enough bikes in my time
> to know that nothing (well, almost nothing) is that simple.  Before I have
> the local bike shop build me an entirely new 650B 135mm 11-speed wheel
> (which, by the way, apparently are only made now for disc brakes), I
> thought I'd ping the group and see if anyone has any ideas.
> Thanks in advance,
> Kevin
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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Jim Bronson]

Ted,

I got pretty excited when I saw your post

The 11-32 as you depict with 43/26 rings just about perfect replicates
the 46/26 with my preferred spacing with close to 100 on the top end
and around 21 on the low end.

However, none of the SRAM cassettes I saw online include the 14 cog :(

I just want an 11 speed casette that ends in 32 that has 1 tooth jumps
in the highest 5 gears and I will adjust my big ring accordingly.  Is
it really so hard?  *sniff*.

-Jim

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:21 PM, ted <ted.ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I think you might get the gears you want more easily by picking rings that
> get you what you want with readily available cassettes.
> Eg. sram 11sp 11-28 with 42/24 rings
>   4224
> 11  99.3  56.7
> 12  91.0  52.0
> 13  84.0  48.0
> 14  78.0  44.6
> 15  72.8  41.6
> 16  68.2  39.0
> 17  64.2  36.7
> 19  57.5  32.8
> 22  49.6  28.4
> 25  43.7  25.0
> 28  39.0  22.3
> Tighter spacing than what you propose and only looses ~1" on the low end. Or
> 11-32 with 43/26 rings
>   4326
> 11 101.6  61.5
> 12  93.2  56.3
> 13  86.0  52.0
> 14  79.9  48.3
> 15  74.5  45.1
> 17  65.8  39.8
> 19  58.8  35.6
> 22  50.8  30.7
> 25  44.7  27.0
> 28  39.9  24.1
> 32  34.9  21.1
> Spacing similar to what you suggested and goes just as low.
>
> Just another way to approach the goal that might be worth considering.
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset.  I'm
>> not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom
>> currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new
>> set.  One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you
>> get to pick your hubs.  I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front,
>> but probably not the Deore from the back.  Being that I get to pick a
>> new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed.  I mean
>> 11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra
>> level sometime this year or next year.  So, it's getting down to the
>> point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality
>> parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup.  Why 11 in particular?  Well, read
>> on.
>>
>> I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm
>> thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get
>> more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in.  I run
>> 11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front.  Some of the gaps
>> between gears are just wider than I would like.  More gears in the
>> cassette would seem to solve this.
>>
>> Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just
>> run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of
>> more gears in the range that you ride in.  However, for whatever
>> reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well.  Either
>> the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's
>> just never quite right.  It seems much happier with the wide-low
>> double, never gives me any trouble at all.  So I'd like to keep a wide
>> low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of
>> the time.  Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big
>> ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout
>> gear anyway.  So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the
>> back.
>>
>> And not just any 12-32.  I'm looking for
>> 12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32.  This yields the following ratios in
>> the big ring per Sheldon:  99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 -
>> 59.8 - 54.4 - 47.8 - 42.7 - 37.4.  13-32 or 13-34 might be even
>> better, of course, nobody will ever make that.
>>
>> Another solution might just be to pedal harder and forget about any of
>> this.
>>
>> Or, just switch my main bike to the Redwood, it seems to shift the
>> triple just fine,and I currently have an 11-28 9 speed with a 46-36-24
>> Rivendell issue Sugino triple.  But I don't have fenders on the
>> Redwood and I kind of like it that way as a sunny day bike and with
>> 700C Barlow Pass, it's a nice change of pace the way it is.  I could
>> go 650B and fenders as on the Custom but it feels so natural and
>> nimble the way it is so I sort of want to keep it that way.
>>
>> So back to the 11 on the custom.  Even Rivendell themselves built a
>> 1x11 prototype recently, didn't they?
>>
>> well anyway just musing.
>>
>> --
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Jim Bronson]

Ok, I'm a dork, was looking at the PG 1030 rather than the PG 1130.
The 1130 does have the 11-12-13-14-15 at the bottom.  Problem solved,
now to implement...

https://www.sram.com/sram/road/products/sram-pg-1130-cassette

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jim Bronson <jim.bron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ted,
>
> I got pretty excited when I saw your post
>
> The 11-32 as you depict with 43/26 rings just about perfect replicates
> the 46/26 with my preferred spacing with close to 100 on the top end
> and around 21 on the low end.
>
> However, none of the SRAM cassettes I saw online include the 14 cog :(
>
> I just want an 11 speed casette that ends in 32 that has 1 tooth jumps
> in the highest 5 gears and I will adjust my big ring accordingly.  Is
> it really so hard?  *sniff*.
>
> -Jim
>
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:21 PM, ted <ted.ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> I think you might get the gears you want more easily by picking rings that
>> get you what you want with readily available cassettes.
>> Eg. sram 11sp 11-28 with 42/24 rings
>>   4224
>> 11  99.3  56.7
>> 12  91.0  52.0
>> 13  84.0  48.0
>> 14  78.0  44.6
>> 15  72.8  41.6
>> 16  68.2  39.0
>> 17  64.2  36.7
>> 19  57.5  32.8
>> 22  49.6  28.4
>> 25  43.7  25.0
>> 28  39.0  22.3
>> Tighter spacing than what you propose and only looses ~1" on the low end. Or
>> 11-32 with 43/26 rings
>>   4326
>> 11 101.6  61.5
>> 12  93.2  56.3
>> 13  86.0  52.0
>> 14  79.9  48.3
>> 15  74.5  45.1
>> 17  65.8  39.8
>> 19  58.8  35.6
>> 22  50.8  30.7
>> 25  44.7  27.0
>> 28  39.9  24.1
>> 32  34.9  21.1
>> Spacing similar to what you suggested and goes just as low.
>>
>> Just another way to approach the goal that might be worth considering.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset.  I'm
>>> not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom
>>> currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new
>>> set.  One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you
>>> get to pick your hubs.  I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front,
>>> but probably not the Deore from the back.  Being that I get to pick a
>>> new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed.  I mean
>>> 11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra
>>> level sometime this year or next year.  So, it's getting down to the
>>> point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality
>>> parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup.  Why 11 in particular?  Well, read
>>> on.
>>>
>>> I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm
>>> thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get
>>> more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in.  I run
>>> 11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front.  Some of the gaps
>>> between gears are just wider than I would like.  More gears in the
>>> cassette would seem to solve this.
>>>
>>> Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just
>>> run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of
>>> more gears in the range that you ride in.  However, for whatever
>>> reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well.  Either
>>> the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's
>>> just never quite right.  It seems much happier with the wide-low
>>> double, never gives me any trouble at all.  So I'd like to keep a wide
>>> low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of
>>> the time.  Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big
>>> ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout
>>> gear anyway.  So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the
>>> back.
>>>
>>> And not just any 12-32.  I'm looking for
>>> 12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32.  This yields the following ratios in
>>> the big ring per Sheldon:  99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 -
>>> 59.8 - 54.4 - 47.8 - 42.7 - 37.4.  13-32 or 13-34 might be even
>>> better, of course, nobody will ever make that.
>>>
>>> Another solution might just be to pedal harder and forget about any of
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Or, just switch my main bike to the Redwood, it seems to shift t

Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Jim Bronson]

That's a pretty good idea and I have bought from Xxcycle before, it
takes a long time to get here but I was ultimately happy with my
purchase.

One thing I noticed that may be available stateside is, if you could
just split two 105 5800s in half it would be about perfect.  The 12-25
runs 12-16 in one tooth increments, so the first 5 gears from the
12-25 and then then you could have the lower 6 gears from the 11-32,
that would be excellent.

12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25
11-12-13-14-16-18-20-22-25-28-32

I've seen the 105 5800s for sale online for around $45 each.  That's
probably more economical than the IRD cassettes, although $90 is still
pretty expensive compared to the $25 I usually spend for 9 speed
11-34's.  I guess the cost of progress is high sometimes.  I do get
quite a bit of mileage out of my cassettes, so, I'd probably only have
to endure the pain once every couple of years or so.

Maybe an alternate plan would be to just buy a loose 15 and remove the
11 from the 11-32, if that's possible.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> ps, my favorite 9-speed is 12,13,14,15,16,18,21,24,29 - there is not a cliff
> anywhere in here - I'm running this with 42/25 and range is 94 down to 23
> inches
> XXcycle has them all - you could start with a Miche 12-25 11-sp, change one
> middle and final cog and have very close to what you're looking for - below
> 40 inches, drop to your bail out ring.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 8:03:34 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Miche doesn't go beyond 29 teeth, but I've built 3 custom 9 speeds and
>> love them all.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-6, Richard L wrote:
>>>
>>> You might be able to build what you want with Miche cassette cogs.  IRD
>>> also has an 12-32 11-speed cassette but not with the cogs you want.
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[RBW] thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Jim Bronson]

So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset.  I'm
not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom
currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new
set.  One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you
get to pick your hubs.  I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front,
but probably not the Deore from the back.  Being that I get to pick a
new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed.  I mean
11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra
level sometime this year or next year.  So, it's getting down to the
point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality
parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup.  Why 11 in particular?  Well, read
on.

I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm
thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get
more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in.  I run
11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front.  Some of the gaps
between gears are just wider than I would like.  More gears in the
cassette would seem to solve this.

Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just
run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of
more gears in the range that you ride in.  However, for whatever
reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well.  Either
the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's
just never quite right.  It seems much happier with the wide-low
double, never gives me any trouble at all.  So I'd like to keep a wide
low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of
the time.  Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big
ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout
gear anyway.  So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the
back.

And not just any 12-32.  I'm looking for
12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32.  This yields the following ratios in
the big ring per Sheldon:  99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 -
59.8 - 54.4 - 47.8 - 42.7 - 37.4.  13-32 or 13-34 might be even
better, of course, nobody will ever make that.

Another solution might just be to pedal harder and forget about any of this.

Or, just switch my main bike to the Redwood, it seems to shift the
triple just fine,and I currently have an 11-28 9 speed with a 46-36-24
Rivendell issue Sugino triple.  But I don't have fenders on the
Redwood and I kind of like it that way as a sunny day bike and with
700C Barlow Pass, it's a nice change of pace the way it is.  I could
go 650B and fenders as on the Custom but it feels so natural and
nimble the way it is so I sort of want to keep it that way.

So back to the 11 on the custom.  Even Rivendell themselves built a
1x11 prototype recently, didn't they?

well anyway just musing.

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Re: [RBW] Anyone order a Joe?

[Jim Bronson]

They should rename this group the Rivendell Buyers Club.
On Oct 30, 2015 5:42 PM, "Christopher Murray" 
wrote:

> Looking over the Joe Appaloosa on the Blug and it looks like a great bike.
> The pre-order price is a great deal. Anyone pull the trigger and order one?
> I am guessing they won't last long- only 4 55cms left!!!
>
> I missed the Clem but am thinking seriously about this one.
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Blue Clementine

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The multi-colored spoke nipples are a cute touch.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> Huh. How very interesting. My daughter's Clementine is turquoise through and
> through. She loves it!
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/22395953539/in/dateposted-public/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 2:45:41 PM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>>
>> The blue is nothing like the turquoise-y color of the prototypes – it's
>> much more gray-blue, very similar to the blue Hillborne color.
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Re: [RBW] Re: What length Silver Cranks came on your Clem?

[Jim Bronson]

Because 172.5 just isn't qite long enough

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 173. That's awesome.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivet Saddles

[Jim Bronson]

I feel compelled to contribute to this thread that Deb is a real swell
lady to ride with!  Always has a smile on her face.  We had a late
season 600K here in the Austin area last December and she flew out
along with some other RUSA characters and we had a real good time.

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> Debra will sell you any saddle for a $35 trial.  You can buy a trial right
> online.  After two months or so, you either pay the balance or send it back
> to her.
>
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 5:10:32 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> I have a Diablo on my go-fast and it will stay there.  They rounder than
>> Brooks and generally feel harder, but they work quite well.  Others have
>> posted that B17 was too narrow for them, and Pearl was a perfect fit.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 4:17:33 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> I love mine. Diablos on both: Hunqapillar and Quickbeam.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 2:20:04 PM UTC-6, Daniel Jackson wrote:

 Anybody have any experience with them? Thoughts?

 Thanks,
 D.
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Re: [RBW] Re: KATY TRAIL ARTICLE

[Jim Bronson]

I was in Lexington the last week of August getting stepdaughter checked
into her first semester at UK and the weather made me wish I had brought my
Riv!  It was positively glorious!

Perhaps that is atypical for the area, I don't know, but it was really nice
compared to Austin, Texas during any time in August.

-Jim

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 2:54 PM, RJM  wrote:

> Yeah, riding in that area in the summer just isn't fun...heck, riding
> where I live (West Kentucky, isn't fun in the summer...especially August.)
>
> There is a fun town on that trail called Hermann. It has a winery, and
> their Octoberfest is awesome. It is well worth the journey there during
> fall to make it during their Octoberfest.
>
>
> My friend who has ridden both the GAP/ C and the Katy prefers the GAP
> trail. Better scenery.
>
> Are they allowing camping on the Katy trail yet?
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 10:42:23 AM UTC-5, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
>> Exec Summary: It's hard for me to recommend the Katy Trail as a
>> destination trip, unless you relish the challenge/experience of riding the
>> 2nd-longest trail in the country (it was still the longest when I rode it).
>> If you're going to be nearby, no reason not to check it out. Avoid summer
>> heat, and do some research into which sections might offer the best
>> scenery. I'd probably enjoy it more today, with more trail riding
>> experience under my belt and nicer tires to ride. But I'd rather try the
>> GAP first, or somewhere else with more topography.
>>
>> I didn't read the article, they wanted me to click on a survey or
>> sumpthin first, and I'm home with a cold and grumpy so NO!
>>
>> I rode the Katy Trail for only a couple of days in the summer of '00,
>> squeezing the riding into a business trip. I rode a steel Fuji Cross with
>> fattish but not-particularly-supple tires. IIRC I rode from east of St.
>> Joseph to St. Joseph, then west from St. Joseph. The first day was kind of
>> a half-day, maybe 20mi. The second day was going to be 40mi or so, but I
>> cut it a little short due to weather. Got a ride from west of St. Joseph
>> back to St. Louis the second day.
>>
>> It was very hot and humid, even for a Jersey boy, and on the second day I
>> was riding between two storm fronts. The hotel weather channel showed the
>> fronts 15mi apart, traveling at 10mph, so I figured if I left just after
>> the first front passed and kept around a 10mph avg, including stops, I'd
>> stay dry. Surprisingly this worked, I didn't get any rain while on the
>> trail, but the humidity kept me pretty damp. I got to the hotel that night
>> just before a third storm hit, which turned into a hellacious hailstorm
>> with golfball-sized chunks of ice that literally (and I'm old enough to
>> understand how to use "literally") left tens of millions of $$ of damage in
>> its wake. Hiding for safety in the empty bathtub while the room windows
>> were being battered by machine-gun ice was more memorable than the ride. I
>> thought the windows were going to shatter and send glass flying through the
>> room, but they held up. My rep's car was in the hail for a minute or so
>> before he got under an overpass, and the insurance company wrote the car
>> off as totaled. Fun.
>>
>> So the weather did not add to my enjoyment. The length of trail I rode
>> was crushed limestone, pretty well surfaced. I found the two days kind of
>> uninspiring. The trail was flat, of course, but so was all the surrounding
>> terrain. The Mississippi River was close by, but far enough away on
>> flatland that I don't remember seeing much of it. I didn't find the ride or
>> surroundings to be particularly scenic. Whatever small towns the trail went
>> through were nice, but the heat/humidity, and the moving storm fronts on
>> the second day, didn't encourage lingering or exploring. This was probably
>> my first time riding a trail, and I kind of felt like I was slogging along.
>> On the second day I noticed there was a small, very well-surfaced road just
>> a few feet away paralleling the trail, so I started riding on the road
>> instead. That was more fun than the trail.
>>
>> Since this sounds kinda negative, I decided to endure the Gazzette's
>> survey and read the article. I most definitely did not travel under a
>> canopy of trees, like it says in the article. Sounds like they had fun,
>> despite riding in August, I kinda didn't. But I was riding alone, first
>> time on a trail, crappy/scary weather, and I can be a Grumpy Gus when I'm
>> riding solo. Maybe when not riding solo, too...
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 11, 2015 at 3:37:54 PM UTC-4, Jon Dukeman in the
>> foothills of Colorado wrote:
>>>
>>> Todays travel section had a great article about the Katy Trail in
>>> Missouri.
>>> There must be some of you who have ridden it.
>>> If so, I'd like to hear about your experience, what time of year you
>>> went etc.etc..
>>> Here's the article:
>>>
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: All arounder Handlebar recommendations GO!

[Jim Bronson]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Riveldell Mark's bar,  Nitto 177


177 is the Noodle model number.  Mark's Bar is Nitto 178, and from the
description on Rivendell's page, sounds like it was developed from the 185.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Jim Bronson]

+1
The Appaloosa head badge is fantastic!

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> The problem here is the concept for this bike has bounced around a lot
> since the original Mystery Bikes were produced, and I'm not convinced the
> Protovelos were much more than design exercises. The only thing they nailed
> down was a head badge.
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 8:28:33 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 8:50:39 AM UTC-6, Braxton Colagross wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, the thing everyone seems to be missing outside "Hillborne with
>>> greater clearances" is *"Hillborne with longer chainstays."*
>>>
>>
>> That's what I had expected too, but those protovelos they sold in the Web
>> Specials didn't look particularly long, at least to the naked eye.
>> Hopefully someone saved an image and can share it.
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Re: [RBW] Axle positioning in horizontal dropouts affecting shifting? *Photo included*

[Jim Bronson]

Have you tried a different derailer?  That Sora looks pretty stretched out.


I'm using a silver version of the below linked M-591 SGS Deore and I've
slammed a 135mm Deore XT hub in my dropouts without respacing, using
Shimano HG61 11-34 9 speed cassette, Microshift bar-ends and whatever 9
speed chain I can get for less than $15 online (KMC currently).  Shift
quality is very good.  Well so long as I keep the cables and bar-ends
lubed, I sweat a lot

http://www.amazon.com/Shimano-9-Speed-Mountain-Bicycle-Derailleur/dp/B0064QND30



On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 8:44 PM, comveo  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I'm a bit curious about an issue I've been having recently on a bike of
> mine.
> I'm getting skipping in most gears under load. The skip takes place
> without dropping to a higher gear. Similar to symptoms of drivetrain
> components being worn
>
> All parts are new and were installed at the same time.
>
> -Paul Jono hub spaced to 135mm, frame re-spaced to match.
> -Epoch 8 speed freewheel 11-32
> -Sram PC870 chain
> -Raceface narrow-wide 44t chainring
> -Ultegra 8sp rear shifter.
>
> So it's a 1x8 setup at the moment.
>
> The chainline is technically off by about 3 millimeters where the BB could
> stand to be slightly longer.
>
> I also could absolutely be using a short cage RD, but didn't have one on
> hand.
>
> I have the largest tire possible installed, and thus need to back the rear
> axle completely into the dropouts.
>
> In doing this, 2 things become evident. First of all, I can't get the
> B-tension to swing the upper pulley close enough to the largest cog. I took
> it out completely and I'm still far from my goal. Also, as the axle is so
> far back, there is so much wrap that the RD hanger mounting point sits
> forward of the axle by a decent margin.
>
> Am I just pushing the limits of where the rear wheel was designed to sit
> in the bike with a geared setup?
>
> If it's merely a matter of having to choose a smaller tire to have the
> axle in a more central/forward position in the dropouts, that's a bummer
> but I'll manage (I'm fitting 40mm Celement X'Plors in a Univega frame with
> this setup)
>
> Photo attached. Any ideas are greatly appreciated!
>
>
> Thanks everyone : )
>
> -Bryan
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Re: [RBW] touring hub and brake lever recommendation

[Jim Bronson]

Older Deore XT with cro-mo axles is a solid choice.  Reliable, polished
silver, easy to service.

The M780 Deore XT hub that I have has an aluminum axle, I would prefer the
cro-mo.  But on the other hand it cost $53 shipped and it's been a rock
solid reliable hub for me.  Besides the aluminum axle issue it's also matte
silver which is not so pretty.  Sometimes function wins over form though ;)

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Matt Beecher  wrote:

> I've got an Atlantis set to hopefully arrive by the end of the month, so I
> have started to order parts.  I'm down to the rear hub and looking for
> recommendations.  I can find tons of reviews, but it is harder to find
> reputable reviews within the last year or two.  That said, I am curious
> what the group here thinks.  Clearly, Phil Wood hubs are fantastic, but
> they are also a bit more than I would like to spend.  I'm thinking of going
> somewhere in the $250 range for the rear hub.  (The front is a SON dynamo.)
>
> I'm also in the market for a pair of brake levers.  I was thinking about
> the Tektro RRL, but wonder if the offset lever will conflict with the Nitto
> moustache bars that I am leaning towards.
>
> Any recommendations for the two would be appreciated.  For those looking
> to sell, I apologize, but I am looking to buy new from a LBS that I would
> like to support.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt Beecher
> Oswego, IL
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Re: [RBW] Bigger Jack Browns?

[Jim Bronson]

I'm 6'7" and weigh in the 260-270 range, no problem with Barlow Pass on my
Redwood, about 500-700 miles so far.

Don't expect that they will last as long as they will for a 150lb guy, but
that's the downside of being big.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> I was looking at those but would you ride them with a 6-6 200lb rider and
> say 40-50 lbs of stuff on a 30lb bike on gravel? A guy at work rides
> compass tires and they feel like he doesn't actually have tires only tubes.
> In terms of flat averseness on a scale of 1-100 I am a 90. Very intrigued
> though.
> Right now I'm leaning towards supremes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 7:50:07 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>>
>>
>> Barlow Pass by Compass is exactly what you want.
>>
>> My favorite tire.
>>
>> If the bike can't fit Barlow Pass, then Jack Brown Green is my favorite
>> tire.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 6:30 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>
>> I had a pair of Rolly Pollys when all I could squeeze in was 28s and they
>> were my favorite tires ever. Smoother than even my Paselas but much more
>> confidence inspiring on rough stuff.  but now I can squeeze in 37 or 41 so
>> which tires are most Jack Brown like at that size? Is Riv ever going to
>> make some bigger Browns?
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Re: [RBW] FS Microshift 10 speed bar end shifters (mtb version), pearl izumi neoprene shoe covers

[Jim Bronson]

Yes. T-610 appears to be Deore "Trekking" with Dynasys, 10 speed.

Shimano doesn't really market the Trekking groups in the USA, shame.

What are you asking for the bar-ends?  I'm interested because the ratios on
10 speed for 11-34 look a bit nicer in the middle where I use them - 9
speed has 2 tooth jumps only to 17, whereas 10 speed has them to 23, in
Shimano cassettes anyway, Sram seems to be different.

9:  11,13,15,*17,20,23,26*,30,34
10: 11-13-15-*17-19-21-23-26*-30-34  (This looks more usable to me in where
I do most of my riding)

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Miles 
wrote:

> I do believe so. They were hooked up to a Shimano Deore RD-T610 which
> seems to be Dynasys based on my google search. It was from a surly cross
> check stock build.
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Re: [RBW] FS Microshift 10 speed bar end shifters (mtb version), pearl izumi neoprene shoe covers

[Jim Bronson]

Are these the ones that will shift Dynasys derailers?
On Oct 7, 2015 11:45 PM, "Miles"  wrote:

> Any interest in the Riv world?  They have maybe 2 rides on them so they
> are like new. They were set up on a Deore RD.
>
> Shoe covers are like new as well.
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Re: [RBW] Laid off and in a Quandary

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I've been driving Lyft and Uber on the side to make extra money due to life
circumstances.  I have a fully paid off and pretty much completely
depreciated vehicle so depreciation is not a major hit.  It's nice side
money for about 30-35 hours a week if you're not killing yourself/the
profits with depreciation on a new car.  Much better pay than unemployment,
for sure.  Straight 1099, they don't deduct taxes or anything.

The biggest downside is that your riding will suffer if you end up working
2 jobs as I am now.  I've gone from a 5-7 days a week rider to maybe 1-2.
Of course I always take out my custom Riv when I do get to ride.  :)

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Wayne Naha  wrote:

> Well, a little over a week ago I was laid off from my job, after five and
> a half years.  The falling price of oil has had a sharply negative effect
> in my industry.  There are other jobs in my field, but that would require a
> major relocation.  My wife and I are tired of this, as it would be the
> third such move in a little over a decade.  We are planning to relocate to
> a plot of family land in the middle of BFE Michigan, and start a farm.  Its
> a scary and exciting prospect.  My quandary is that I have a Clem on the
> way, and it isn't paid for yet.  That is, Riv has their money but my credit
> card has a big hole in it!  I have a good introductory deal:  No interest
> for 15 months.  The Clem is the only purchase on the card.  So I figured
> that it would be easy.  But now, of course, I feel differently.  Riv will
> certainly cancel my sale, and someone else will certainly snap up the
> bike.  But I can't let it go just yet.  It feels very selfish of me to want
> to keep the bike, and I am trying to come up with ways to justify it's
> existence in my life.  They ring hollow and I know it's just because the
> bike has been this goal I've worked toward, and in some weird way, feel
> I've earned.  Still, I might feel less stressed if I did just let it go.
> That money will find plenty of other uses.  Anyhow, I don't expect the list
> to have any magic cures, but I just needed to rant.  Thanks for listening.
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Re: [RBW] COFFEE AND BREAKFAST AT CHATFIELD RESERVOIR

[Jim Bronson]

That's the most serious sausage i've ever seen on a Sausage McMuffin.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado <
row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My favorite time of the year. Brisk morning air, fallen leaves crackling
> under the tires, storms are done, cooler temps.
> First time out with  Trangia cook set.
> .Chatfield Reservoir provides a peaceful setting with no one around except
> a duck looking for crumbs.
> Unfortunately  Brad ( Caffeinated Wheelman) and I had schedule
> conflicts.So I went solo. Would of been better if he could of been there.
> Next time.
> Everything tastes better outside.
> The eggs were cooked ahead of time, & sausage  , were packed in my trunk
> bag with a cold pack.All the other stuff went into the Med shop sack.
> Really like the GSI toaster. Muffins done in 30 seconds/ per side. Aero
> Press and New Mexican Pinion coffee makes an amazing cup.
> Not the lightest set of equipment but everything worked really well.
> Looking forward to next time. Biscuits and Gravy
>
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/albums/72157659347422836
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Re: [RBW] WTB 650B wheelset

[Jim Bronson]

I'd also try this inquiry on the 650B group.
On Sep 29, 2015 20:03, "allan ludwig"  wrote:

> I'm Looking for a 650B wheelset for a Belriot build i'm working on. 135mm
> spacing. Thanks!
>
> -Allan
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Re: [RBW] Re: SF Randonneurs 100k mixed terrain populaire, Sat. Sept. 12

[Jim Bronson]

It's $20 a year to be a RUSA member at rusa.org, I highly recommend it!

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> Based on the description, it did sound like a fun and more reasonable
> entry into randonneuring than some of the 200k rides.  I've never tried one
> before but wanted to start.  However, the electronic registration form
> won't accept my registration without an RUSA number.  I need to submit an
> AWRL (waiver for release from liability) form somewhere.  Unfortunately, I
> can't figure out where to send it.  I may just try to show up with the
> printed and signed form and register at Chrissy Field.  If anyone knows
> where to send the AWRL form, please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 5:14:10 PM UTC-7, Neil wrote:
>
>> Anybody else doing this ride with the SF Randonneurs? There is also an
>> all-pave ride on the same day.
>>
>> I'm too soft for legit randonneuring, but this route links three of my
>> favorite rides in Marin. Even if I don't make the time cuts, I still win.
>>
>> SF Randos: http://sfrandonneurs.org/
>>
>> Ride description: http://bike.duque.net/el-paseito-mixto.htm
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: high-setback seatpost

[Jim Bronson]

I love the look of that seatpost but it looks fragile to me.  I weigh
around 270 so I've always been reluctant to try it.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J <
thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:

> The Nitto Lugged seatpost has 40mm, according to Riv's writeup.  And it's
> the most beautiful post around!
>
>
>
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> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Patteson
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 05, 2015 9:40 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: high-setback seatpost
>
>
>
> Me too.  There's an alloy FSA with that same 32.5mm setback -- the SL-220
> .
> It's not exactly beautiful but it works well.  I have one on a bike but I
> had to pull out the red plug and wrap the post with twine to cover up the
> logo.  They are not made anymore but pop up on ebay from time to time.
>
> Best,
> Andrew
>
>
> On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 3:32:49 PM UTC-6, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> Another long femur guy here. Been searching for years.
>
> That Nitto is the longest one I've see.   FSA has a carbon post with
> 32.5mm of setback. This Dia Compe Gran Compe aluminum seatpost has 30 mm of
> setback.
> http://www.bikewagon.com/gran-compe-27-2-x-250mm-post-silver-seatpost
>
> ~mike
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[Jim Bronson]

That's hot, Bikie#4646!

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:56 PM, 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> That's one beautiful Davidson, Bill! (Though I'll bet a hard one to touch
> up! Here's the Imron color I chose for my 1989 custom nickel plated and
> filet brazed Bontrager CX:
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx/2010/cx057-paulgermain0410.html
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 6:10:22 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> My previous purple bike was a custom Davidson
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5466031572/
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:37:12 PM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, that is more the color shade I am leaning towards over the purple
>>> Saluki that has been posted (even though that is a cool color too.) The
>>> Saluki is a little louder than this one.
>>>
>>> I like these kind of internal debates and obsessionsmakes the work
>>> day go by so much quicker.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:01:38 PM UTC-5, Brewster Fong wrote:


 On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>
> As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes,
> that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about
> the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet
> looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but 
> really
> have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep 
> purple
> and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?
> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
>

 Not a Riv, but this 25th Anniv Della Santa is purple and very nice
 looking:

  https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/internet-bob/HN4s9Ja_ZII

 At $850 for the bike and $500 for the frameset, I'm suffering because
 it is just my size!  But, I need to resist as I have too many road bikes
 and need a cross.Good Luck!

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Nelson Long Flap

[Jim Bronson]

I love mine too.  I use it for Rando riding.  I stuff it full of my powders
and Payday bars along with a spare tire, spare tubes, spare lights and
batteries and lastly tools.  Oh and depending on time of year, clothes as
well for cooler temps.

It's pretty heavy at the start of the ride but as I eat more and drink more
it gets lighter ;)
On Aug 31, 2015 10:21 PM, "Tony DeFilippo"  wrote:

> I've got a version of this bag myself and love it.  I even crammed a
> laptop in it on occasion before I rigged up my Saddlesack Medium as the
> regular commuting bag.  But for anything other than commuting I've found it
> to be a great single bag to take for a long day on the bike where I don't
> want to be stingy about what I pack.
>
> There was a thread last week about carrying a dslr camera... this bag does
> the job fine for me w/ my D600 plus a lens or two plus some padding.  The
> side pockets make it easy to keep my tools out of the way of the in-and-out
> luggage.
>
> Looks classy to!
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Re: [RBW] Rat Trap Pass tires with metal fenders

[Jim Bronson]

Who's to say what riders need and what they don't?  To each his own.  I
like 9 speed 11-34 and wouldn't mind going 10 or even 11 to narrow some of
the bigger gaps between gears.

OBTW,
1975 called and they want their freewheel back.  ;)

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Bill Lindsay <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's a 5 speed freewheel.  14-34.  Everything you need, nothing you
> don't.
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 12:02:46 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> What casette do you have on there?  That big gear is huge.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I installed Rat Trap Pass tires last night on 25mm rims (vintage
>>> RM-20).  They measure 52mm at 30psi.  They fit with room to spare under
>>> stainless steel VO fenders.
>>>
>>> PHOTO <https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/21102887712/>
>>>
>>> 1987 Schwinn Paramountain.
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Re: [RBW] Rat Trap Pass tires with metal fenders

[Jim Bronson]

What casette do you have on there?  That big gear is huge.

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> I installed Rat Trap Pass tires last night on 25mm rims (vintage RM-20).
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Jim Bronson]

There's a plethora of builders who can help you with that.  Rivendell will
not be one of them.

I don't think rando is un-racerish enough for Grant, and he's definitely
not a fan of low-trail.



On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> I'm holding out for a super light tubing, standard tube width, low trail,
> canti brake, 650b, carbon brush in the headrube,  seat tube taillight
> braze-on, wireless front dropouts,  Rivrandobike.
>
> They have done everything but, I think, so far.
> MTN, all road, road, touring, country, single speed, Mixte, and
> comfort/hybrid/cruiser, have all been touched upon. Tandem is in the works.
> Unicycle, and bmx and kid bikes haven't been done yet though.
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Re: [RBW] XT Hub Issues

[Jim Bronson]

Wow that's terrible.  Sorry to hear of it.  That could be really dangerous
going downhill fast. your derailer could be wrapped around the cassette in
a hurry.

I have one of those XT-780 hubs also, and it has been rock solid, go figure
 I've done about 12,000Ks of rando rides on it in the last 3 years.  Now
I'm worried, but maybe it's one of those things if it doesn't break right
off the bat, it's good for a long time.  I hope so.

Another thing I have heard about these hubs is that the axle is aluminum
and the threads tend to strip when you try to break it down to grease the
bearings.  I have not actually tried this, but it's probably overdue for a
service so we'll see what happens.

-Jim

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Clayton.sf  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Almost new XT (HB-T780) touring rear hub. Freewheel has stopped
> freewheeling on a few fast descents turing it in to a fixed wheel. After a
> while it frees up again just to come back in the worst situations. Hub has
> less than a 1,000 miles on it. Searching the internet has not yielded much.
> Anyone have any experience with this issue? Will open it up today or
> tomorrow but is someone has deal with this before I would be thankful for
> any pointer.
>
> Thanks,
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Next Bomba Tire

[Jim Bronson]

I love Jan's tires but wow $168 is pretty breathtaking.

The 4 tires on my car cost $330 out the door with mounting, balancing, tax
and road hazard warranty. So about the same per tire, but I'm pretty sure
Compass expects you to mount and balance your own tires, and no road hazard
warranty is implied.  The UTQG of the car tires is 420-A-B and I expect
them to last 40,000 miles or so.  They balanced well and are smooth at
speeds up to 95 mph or so.  Don't find a need to go faster than that,
actually going 95 was inadvertent in the first place, but anyhoo

Maybe I should get the new(er) Pari-Motos instead...supposedly the tread is
thicker than the older ones.  Wire bead, but beggars can't be choosers...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panaracer-Pacenti-27-5-X-1-50-650B-Pari-Moto-Wire-Bead-Black-/191600794402?hash=item2c9c4c1b22

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Since I got excellent advice on my XO-3 tire questions last week I'll put
 a slightly different one up today regarding the Bombadil... I'm already
 pretty sure what I am looking for and am just caught in some paralysis by
 analysis and/or sticker shock.  Primary purpose for this tire set would be
 to augment the 2.25 Nobby Nic's which are awesome offroad but to noisy
 on-road.  So the Bomba isn't getting any commuting use w/ the current
 tires.  The candidates;

 1. Compass Switchback Pass 650bx48mm; Reg or EL ($63/$84)  That isn't a
 typo, the EL 48's cost $12 more a pair than the EL 42's do... I guess b/c
 they are tubeless compatible.  $168 for a set of (i'm sure) amazing
 tires $168.

 2. BG Rock-n-Road 650Bx43mm ($57)  I've been wanting to check these out
 for a while, even had considered them for the Saluki before settling in on
 the 38mm Parimoto's instead.  I'm already rocking the BG Canti's on the
 Bombadil so it almost seems right.  I'm a little worried about road noise
 but many people report that isn't an issue.  Seems like a perfect CO and
 when needed singletrack option to complement a great paved trail option.

 3. Big Ben 650Bx50mm Active/Performance ($25/50)  I've ridden the Little
 Big Ben's and Big Apples and enjoy them both, not sure I've personally
 sampled the 'active' line so I'm not sure how much you give up (other than
 half the price) w/ the heavier rubber compound.  Seems like an awesome
 Bombadil tire as it fits the clearances pretty much spot on.

 4. Panaracer Quasi Moto 650Bx2.0 ($35 on amazon!) I was considering this
 more before getting the Nobby Nic's as it seems more offroad focused than
 my previous three options... it remains in consideration primarily becuase
 it's got a great price tag and it was one of the original 650B offerings
 that fits the horizontal TT Bomba's clearances perfectly.

 I had already reconciled the cost of a new set of Compass tires before the
 switchback pass came out even (a little bit) higher and put me back into
 consideration mode.  No one (including me) seems disappointed with their
 investments in light-supple-hi volume tires but man I am feeling the
 sticker shock.

 Pretty awesome to have so many good options in so many different tire
 sizes!!

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Re: [RBW] How was your PBP?

[Jim Bronson]

You can search for RUSA permanents on the RUSA.org site.  There are 2500+
of them out there so there's bound to be one in your area.
On Aug 26, 2015 13:50, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote:

 Eric (Norris) - do you have any RUSA permanents in your neck of the
 woods that you ride to prepare for PBP?  I found out about one here in the
 Chicago area called the Fox Valley Permanent from Eric (Peterson) recently.


 On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 12:18:27 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:

 Finished in 79:58, but on my Alex Singer, not a Riv :-(. The Singer
 received a lot of looks and comments, both from the French and from the
 Japanese (Singer has a huge following in Japan).

 The weather was, indeed, better than 2007 (it could hardly be worse), but
 I was unlucky enough to get rained on several times,including the last day,
 when I left on the last 140Km 5:30 a.m. in a drizzle that turned into a
 rain later in the day.

 I took a ton of video, which I will be piecing together into a ride
 report soon.

 --Eric N
 campyo...@me.com
 www.CampyOnly.com
 Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
 @Campyonlyguy


 On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Eric Peterson peterso...@gmail.com wrote:

 Completed in 88+ hours on my Roadeo, went out in last wave of 90 hour
 group.
 Bike was superb over this distance.
 Great weather as compared to 2007 when I had a similar finish.
 No one noticed my bike but some went gaga over my friend's green
 Ramboulliet, so she said.
 Great weather made for scenic ride, lots of locals out supporting riders,
 many riders sleeping by side of road.
 Divided ride into three segments with stops at Loudeac out and back,
 about 13,000 ft of climbing on each segment. Hills were not steep but they
 were relentless! 34x27
 Felt fine at end, sleep deprivation on day three was biggest issue for me.
 Eric Peterson
 Naperville, IL
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Re: [RBW] (Not OT) carrying a camera on a bike

[Jim Bronson]

I have a Timbuk2 case that has a large Velcro strip that attaches very
securely to my handlebars.  It holds a small point and shoot, I use an
older Canon SD600 Elph with it.
On Aug 22, 2015 12:44, subfas...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello all,

 How do people safely carry a camera by bike? I have camping bike with a
 basket and my entire camera bag fits in the front with a bungee net over
 it, or sometimes the camera bag goes in the shop sack. Either way I put a
 little padding under to absorb the bumps.

 How do folks carry a camera on a more roadish bike though? The unit in
 question is a rather stout 1960s Nikon F, with a 50mm and sometimes a
 telephoto. I am hoping to hear some of other's personal experience and
 adapt it to my own use. My solution could be as simple as just taking
 photos on my smart phone when I am on my roadie ha. I am new to the 35mm
 film photography and bicycle crossover so any tips or perspective will be
 useful.

 Thanks
 Jason
 SF,CA

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Re: [RBW] Wheels for 97 Riv Road

[Jim Bronson]

Velocity Dyad if you want 700c.  Tough rim that some people use with
tandems.  Good looking enough for a Rivendell.
On Aug 20, 2015 23:26, James in Scottsdale tiojim...@gmail.com wrote:

 Suggestions?  I need a new set of wheels for my Riv.  Being somewhat
 portly, I am concerned with strength.  Since they are for a vintage Riv,
 I'm concerned with looks.  any ideas about a good compromise?

 Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group

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Until very recently PayPal was *owned* by eBay.  FWIW...

Curious what the credit card company's reason was, I guess PayPal did not
tell you that?  Seems like it would almost be better to *not* use PayPal
and get some other credit card clearing service that gave you more of a
voice in the process.  I know there are credit card processing services out
there, I wonder if there is some minimum transaction amount.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:37 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Bill,

 Like others I've bought many items from this group. I haven't sold too
 much though. My experiences have all been top notch. With that said I will
 like the Jim our moderator caution you that you make transactions at your
 own risk. This is a searchable forum and there is very little vetting as to
 who can buy and sell. I'd like to take this opportunity to share an
 experience I had recently not bike  related but selling on eBay and
 receiving funds through PayPal.

 I sold a Sony a6000 digital camera on eBay in May. The day the auction
 closed through eBay communication the buyer asked me to send the camera to
 an address they supplied. I waited for the funds to show up in my PayPal
 account. They did but were pending as un-verified buyer after three days
 it was changed to just pending I figured this normal as I needed to ship
 the item then the funds would be released.  I printed out a shipping label
 and went to my local USPS they couldn't find the address? They said maybe
 it's a new development and not showing yet in our records? Here's my
 biggest error in this entire process! At this point I recalled that the
 buyer had given me a different address. So I promptly went home and
 retrieved the address and mailed it out. What I should have done was
 contact the buyer and ask questions which would have, should have thrown up
 a reg flag. I should have cancelled the sale. But alas I was happy it sold
 and felt under pressure to be a prompt seller to maintain good eBay seller
 feedback. So with the auction closed and the payment made through PayPal.
 All seemed good to go! Approximately 25 days later I received
 correspondence from PayPal that the buyer opened a dispute with their
 credit card company claiming they didn't authorize the purchase!

 Here's where if you've ever watched the movie Brazil you can appreciate
 the morass I fell into. Since the transaction was a completed transaction
 eBay washed their hands of it and referred me to PayPal. I lost count how
 many times I called PayPal's customer service, hung up the phone left with
 a level of frustration I've never felt before, they have( I figure
 purposely) the most incompetent people at this point. Here's what I
 garnered from all those conversations.

 1. Don't worry if the credit card companies found in favor of the buyers
 then no one would do business with the CC companies.
 2. A dispute like this can take up to 75 days.
 3. They PayPal gave the CC company the incorrect tracking number. So the
 CC company obviously figured I was a scammer.
 4. We will give all the information you gave us to the CC company.
 Basically, they PayPal are your advocate at this point between you and the
 buyers CC company. Shaky at best.
 5. Since you didn't ship to the buyer's address we have on file all PayPal
 seller protections are void.

 I finally received an email from PayPal that the CC company decided in
 favor of the Buyer. At this point my PayPal account shows a negative
 balance of $880 $20 of that is a charge back fee from PayPal. Next up I
 started getting calls from PayPal! The person on the other end of this
 conversation was clearly competent. From that conversation I was told that
 seven days after a chargeback PayPal requires you settle your account with
 them and if you don't your account will be sent to a collections agency. At
 this point you may ask well you've got options. Right?

 Since eBay discards all records of transactions after 60 days I can't
 communicate with the buyer through them. Back in early June when this all
 happened I did send a eBay email to the buyer asking how we can resolve
 this, no reply. The email that PayPal has on file for the buyer is bogus.
 Both eBay and PayPal won't give any information about the buyer for privacy
 reasons. That competent PayPal representative said, oh a lawyer can help
 you get access to the buyer's records. I contacted my local police and the
 detective said we can't help you this is a civil case and PayPal is the
 victim.

 Very important here is the PayPal user agreement. It states that you are
 responsible for any and all chargebacks period. In researching my options
 I found there are numerous scams perpetrated on the eBay platform and it's
 not necessarily a safe place to sell or buy things. Other sellers a lot
 more experienced than I have fallen victim to scams/thefts for way more
 money. In fact those merchants doing business on eBay received
 correspondence from eBay and PayPal claiming 

Re: [RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group

[Jim Bronson]

I agree with you Hugh, I have had very good experiences here for the most
part.  One time it took inordinately long to get a frame but it did show up
eventually.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jim,

 Thanks.

 I don't plan on selling that often. For me a check will do just fine. If
 that's a hassle for someone then they can pass on buying from me. Here on
 out I'm simplifying and reducing my liability. I'm a super honest guy, but
 I've been burned one too many times. Selling on this list-serve has always
 been good and I plan on selling bike parts so hopefully folks will
 understand.

 Tail Winds,

 ~Hugh
 On Aug 19, 2015 3:33 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, if you are a member of a warehouse club like Costco or Sams there
 are things like this:

 https://www.costcopaymentprocessing.com/

 I've never seriously looked into other services besides Paypal but your
 tale of woe has me thinking about it.  1.38% + 19c per transaction is less
 than PayPal's fees or Square's fees for mobile transaction processing.

 So I called them...the minimum is more or less $1000 minimum in sales or
 you get a $20 monthly fee and you have to have some sort of online
 storefront where you own the domain.  Not so practical for the occasional
 seller...

 There's also services like Chase Pay where they do PayPal like processing
 but that requires one party or the other to have a Chase bank account,
 which I don't, but might consider if I sold stuff more regularly online.
 But I think it only works with checking acounts:

 https://www.chase.com/online/digital/quickpay.html



 On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Jim,

 On Aug 19, 2015 2:42 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Until very recently PayPal was *owned* by eBay.  FWIW...
 
 I was aware of that change.

  Curious what the credit card company's reason was, I guess PayPal did
 not tell you that?

 That's right, I was told only that the buyer opened a dispute did not
 authorize the purchase other than that nothing zip!

 Seems like it would almost be better to *not* use PayPal

 Yes. I won't be using PayPal. I also won't be using another layer of
 payment processing. If I sell something I will only accept a check or cash
 and will not ship anything till my bank verify's funds are in my account.

 and get some other credit card clearing service that gave you more of a
 voice in the process.

 I don't know of such a company?  If you know please share.

 I know there are credit card processing services out there, I wonder if
 there is some minimum transaction amount.

 Thanks for your thoughts,

 Tail Winds,

 ~Hugh

 
  On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:37 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi Bill,
 
  Like others I've bought many items from this group. I haven't sold
 too much though. My experiences have all been top notch. With that said I
 will like the Jim our moderator caution you that you make transactions at
 your own risk. This is a searchable forum and there is very little vetting
 as to who can buy and sell. I'd like to take this opportunity to share an
 experience I had recently not bike  related but selling on eBay and
 receiving funds through PayPal.
 
  I sold a Sony a6000 digital camera on eBay in May. The day the
 auction closed through eBay communication the buyer asked me to send the
 camera to an address they supplied. I waited for the funds to show up in my
 PayPal account. They did but were pending as un-verified buyer after
 three days it was changed to just pending I figured this normal as I
 needed to ship the item then the funds would be released.  I printed out a
 shipping label and went to my local USPS they couldn't find the address?
 They said maybe it's a new development and not showing yet in our records?
 Here's my biggest error in this entire process! At this point I recalled
 that the buyer had given me a different address. So I promptly went home
 and retrieved the address and mailed it out. What I should have done was
 contact the buyer and ask questions which would have, should have thrown up
 a reg flag. I should have cancelled the sale. But alas I was happy it sold
 and felt under pressure to be a prompt seller to maintain good eBay seller
 feedback. So with the auction closed and the payment made through PayPal.
 All seemed good to go! Approximately 25 days later I received
 correspondence from PayPal that the buyer opened a dispute with their
 credit card company claiming they didn't authorize the purchase!
 
  Here's where if you've ever watched the movie Brazil you can
 appreciate the morass I fell into. Since the transaction was a completed
 transaction eBay washed their hands of it and referred me to PayPal. I lost
 count how many times I called PayPal's customer service, hung up the phone
 left with a level of frustration I've never felt before, they have( I
 figure purposely) the most incompetent

Re: [RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group

[Jim Bronson]

Well, if you are a member of a warehouse club like Costco or Sams there are
things like this:

https://www.costcopaymentprocessing.com/

I've never seriously looked into other services besides Paypal but your
tale of woe has me thinking about it.  1.38% + 19c per transaction is less
than PayPal's fees or Square's fees for mobile transaction processing.

So I called them...the minimum is more or less $1000 minimum in sales or
you get a $20 monthly fee and you have to have some sort of online
storefront where you own the domain.  Not so practical for the occasional
seller...

There's also services like Chase Pay where they do PayPal like processing
but that requires one party or the other to have a Chase bank account,
which I don't, but might consider if I sold stuff more regularly online.
But I think it only works with checking acounts:

https://www.chase.com/online/digital/quickpay.html



On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jim,

 On Aug 19, 2015 2:42 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Until very recently PayPal was *owned* by eBay.  FWIW...
 
 I was aware of that change.

  Curious what the credit card company's reason was, I guess PayPal did
 not tell you that?

 That's right, I was told only that the buyer opened a dispute did not
 authorize the purchase other than that nothing zip!

 Seems like it would almost be better to *not* use PayPal

 Yes. I won't be using PayPal. I also won't be using another layer of
 payment processing. If I sell something I will only accept a check or cash
 and will not ship anything till my bank verify's funds are in my account.

 and get some other credit card clearing service that gave you more of a
 voice in the process.

 I don't know of such a company?  If you know please share.

 I know there are credit card processing services out there, I wonder if
 there is some minimum transaction amount.

 Thanks for your thoughts,

 Tail Winds,

 ~Hugh

 
  On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:37 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi Bill,
 
  Like others I've bought many items from this group. I haven't sold too
 much though. My experiences have all been top notch. With that said I will
 like the Jim our moderator caution you that you make transactions at your
 own risk. This is a searchable forum and there is very little vetting as to
 who can buy and sell. I'd like to take this opportunity to share an
 experience I had recently not bike  related but selling on eBay and
 receiving funds through PayPal.
 
  I sold a Sony a6000 digital camera on eBay in May. The day the auction
 closed through eBay communication the buyer asked me to send the camera to
 an address they supplied. I waited for the funds to show up in my PayPal
 account. They did but were pending as un-verified buyer after three days
 it was changed to just pending I figured this normal as I needed to ship
 the item then the funds would be released.  I printed out a shipping label
 and went to my local USPS they couldn't find the address? They said maybe
 it's a new development and not showing yet in our records? Here's my
 biggest error in this entire process! At this point I recalled that the
 buyer had given me a different address. So I promptly went home and
 retrieved the address and mailed it out. What I should have done was
 contact the buyer and ask questions which would have, should have thrown up
 a reg flag. I should have cancelled the sale. But alas I was happy it sold
 and felt under pressure to be a prompt seller to maintain good eBay seller
 feedback. So with the auction closed and the payment made through PayPal.
 All seemed good to go! Approximately 25 days later I received
 correspondence from PayPal that the buyer opened a dispute with their
 credit card company claiming they didn't authorize the purchase!
 
  Here's where if you've ever watched the movie Brazil you can
 appreciate the morass I fell into. Since the transaction was a completed
 transaction eBay washed their hands of it and referred me to PayPal. I lost
 count how many times I called PayPal's customer service, hung up the phone
 left with a level of frustration I've never felt before, they have( I
 figure purposely) the most incompetent people at this point. Here's what I
 garnered from all those conversations.
 
  1. Don't worry if the credit card companies found in favor of the
 buyers then no one would do business with the CC companies.
  2. A dispute like this can take up to 75 days.
  3. They PayPal gave the CC company the incorrect tracking number. So
 the CC company obviously figured I was a scammer.
  4. We will give all the information you gave us to the CC company.
 Basically, they PayPal are your advocate at this point between you and the
 buyers CC company. Shaky at best.
  5. Since you didn't ship to the buyer's address we have on file all
 PayPal seller protections are void.
 
  I finally received an email from PayPal that the CC company decided in
 favor

Re: [RBW] Re: no more Synergies?

[Jim Bronson]

The Atlas is a lot heavier than the Synergy at 610gr, so not really a
direct replacement.  They do have a similar physical appearance though and
I have a bike in the stable that has a front Synergy and a back Atlas and
it's not noticeable unless you examine the rims closely.  I peeled off the
labels of both as to further obscure any differences in appearance.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:49 PM, David Banzer daban...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think the A23 (same width)  Atlas (same style box construction) fit as
 2 better, distinct rims compared to the Synergy, and the Dyad as a happy
 medium between an A23  Atlas. While I like supporting Riv  Rich, I wish
 Velocity could sell the 650b Dyad to all shops. My LBS can generally get me
 in-stock rims delivered next day.
 David
 Chicago


 On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 3:45:36 PM UTC-5, Leslie wrote:

 Was just poking around the Velocity website (doing a rim comparison), and
 noticed that I'm not seeing the Synergy listed...

 Have they discontinued it?  Has anyone heard?


 (I haven't had problems with my Synergies, but like my A23 and Dyads
 better, and will probably stick w/ those two rims in the future anyway,
 but, thought it interesting that the Synergy wasn't showing up)


 -L

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Re: [RBW] Re: Very initial impressions of new Elk Pass 559 X 32 mm tire.

[Jim Bronson]

Compass having tires that officially support tubeless probably deserves a
thread of it's own.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Compass just announced tubeless compatible tires in 26, 650b, and 700c
 Check it out on the BQ blog.
 https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/08/12/compass-tires-and-tubeless/

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Re: [RBW] Re: A day in the life of a working class Amsterdam bicycle repair shop.

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I am much happier with a stand also!  Even for doing things as simple as
changing tires, it's a worthwhile investment because it should last a long
time.

That being said, since I got my stand I have greatly increased my
repertoire of repairs performed, up to and including complete builds.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 here's a similar repair stand, kayak hang-down straps hanging from bike
 wheel hooks in the ceiling


 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Fuji/aaP6230001.jpg

 will also admit I was much happier after I bought a real bike repair stand


 On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 9:52:57 AM UTC-5, sprocket67 wrote:

 The bicycle rack is interesting. A rope hooked to the exterior wall.
 The bike swings while he repairs it.

 On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 11:09:14 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 https://vimeo.com/133432406

 It's more like a *barrio* car repair shop than any American bicycle
 shop I've seen, though Stevie's in Corrales, NM where I do occasional work
 is close -- a neighborhood bike shop that repairs and sells what the
 neighborhood wants and rides, a lot of lowish end runabouts.

 I suppose that such a business can survive without grief only in a
 society with a more aggressive redistributive taxation system.

 That said, I'm not giving up my multi-thousand, self indulgent,
 Rivendells any day soon.

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Re: [RBW] Shimano Dura Ace 7800 Bar End Pods and Silver Shifters

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are you looking to sell the D/A shifters sans pods?

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 I have Dura Ace 7800 10-speed bar end shifters on my handlebar. I've been
 using them in friction mode lately and have decided I'd like to give the
 Silver Shifters a try since the Shimano's friction mode leaves something to
 be desired in terms of smoothness compared to Power Ratchets. I wonder if
 it's really a backup to the indexed mode in case of failure or bad
 adjustment.

 My question: Will the Silver shifters mount directly to the 7800 bar end
 pods' stock bosses?

 I'd rather just get the downtube versions and reuse the 7800 bar end
 pods instead of having to redo the whole installation, re-tape, etc.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Would you go back to a 5-speed cassette if you could?

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I like to go where the mass market is, because it's where there's the
highest efficiency of scale and least expensive parts.  For me at the
moment, that means 9 speed.  8 speed is not any less expensive, so I'll
take the higher cog count.  7 speed is rarer these days, and rare doesn't
meet my criteria.

When I can buy 10 speed stuff at the same price as 9 speed, I'll probably
go that route when it becomes time to replace the shifters.  Until then
sticking with 9 speed.  It works fine.

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 it's as current as current can be .  The orignal lightbulb still burns in a
 California firehouse .   It's as it ever was .  Time and date are but myths
 .   There's nothing to count but counting itself !

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Re: [RBW] Bike Flights experience so far...pretty good

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I sold a frame to a gentleman in Tuscon and shipped it via Bikeflights, had
a good experience.  I would use them again.  It was much less expensive
than taking it to FedEx myself.

I would consider using them for non-bike parts if I had something too big
to go via USPS.

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 I have used them twice the past 4 or 5 weeks and have been very pleased
 and saved money.

 Both times they just had me enter all the info online, print a shipping
 label and attach to box,
 and then drop off at my nearest FedEx center.

 They scanned the label, gave me a receipt with tracking number and
 it was on the way.

 I will be using them again for future bike shipments.
 One of the packages was a wheelset.

 This gets me to wondering, does it have to be a bike or bike part to ship
 via Bike Flights.

 Paul in Dallas

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Re: [RBW] Whoo Hoo! Not your grandfather's Pasela!

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what size is the Elk Pass?

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 Despite the best intentions of the PO, I found my package from Compass in
 the package locker just now -- deliveryperson had apparently left the key
 in someone else's box, who opened the locker and was (1) honest enough not
 to steal the contents but (2) dumb enough to leave the filled locker open
 to the public. Anyway, Deo gratias, contents were safe and the were,
 seriatim:

 1 package from Compass with an early pair of the new Elk Pass;

 1 Tonyon lock as blogged by Dave Moulton.

 The tires -- what can I say? Made by Panracer, but paper thin -- they make
 the Parigi Roubaix look like thick cardboard.

 One hundred and seventy grams with rubber band on my Pelouze! Six ethereal
 ounces!

 Tomorrow, God willing, I will pick up the (Riv content '99 Joe gofast)
 wheels that I had rebuilt from 650C -- I paid the $35 rush fee for 2 day
 delivery. Hell, I should have tried to build them myself, except it would
 have taken longer to get the Revolutions -- yes, with alloy nipples. (This
 will be a super super super light wheelset; no dish to compromise things.

 The tires will ineluctably require sealant, but that's no big deal when
 they are fully 14 grams lighter even than 650C X 23 Michelin PR 4s. The
 re-used, cleaned up 559 Sun M14A rims weigh ~380 compared to the very
 similar but eyeletted 650C ME14As' 425 grams. That's a 60 gram/2 oz weight
 saving over an already very light wheel; and this promises much better
 comfort and much less anxiety about our common 4+ pavement expansion
 cracks.

 The Tonyon lock weighs 1 3/4 lb and has not the appearance, at least, of
 Kryptonite's quality, but for the price it's worth a try. It is certainly
 compact.

 Hopefully I'll get at least a quick ride on the Elks tomorrow; having been
 riding Pro Race 3s on the gofast, I will be very eager to learn the
 difference with the Elks.

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Re: [RBW] Re:

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cycling

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Re: [RBW] Classic Raleigh 3-Speed Sport FS in Sacramento

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That is incredibly well-preserved.  That being said there's other things
I'd rather ride, as Patrick noted.  The nostalgia of a Raleigh doesn't
really do much for me.  I'd rather have an old French constructeur bike,
but I doubt any were ever made in my size.

What would move my nostalgia meter and is available somewhere would be an
old green Varsity with the original fenders, my dad had one and used to
ride it to work when I was in elementary school in Corvallis, Oregon.  He
sold it before I was big enough to ride it.  I don't know what the biggest
size they sold was but it was huge, or at least it seemed so at the time.
I ended up 2 inches taller than my dad, so the bikes I have now are
probably even bigger.

-Jim

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 Thought this bike would be of interest to some on this group. I happened
 across this at an estate sale—a 1970s Raleigh Sport that has spent the past
 30+ years in storage. Excellent, near-mint condition, with original
 everything that appears pretty much as it did when the bike was new.

 https://www.flickr.com/gp/campyonlyguy/34w76B

 I already have a Raleigh that I use (a little) as a town bike, so this one
 is up for sale.

 The bike is on display and available for purchase at Edible Pedal in
 Midtown Sacramento. Hit them up for a test ride!

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Re: [RBW] Re: sheared off crank bolt

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I'll take the more adventurous route.

I will see if the local parts store down the street from my house has an
easy-out.

That's a great looking fish, by the way, in the 3rd pic down on your site.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 ok, fair enough and either one gets the job done.
 http://bulldog1935.u.yuku.com/


 On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 9:27:36 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Ron, maybe I described it wrong, but they're a bit different. An easy out
 is intended to bite into the bolt and twist it, not actual bore a hole.

 That's a cool side business you have!


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 Mark, what you're describing here is an easy-out, and any auto parts
 store will have them.

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 ...

 If not, you can also get drill bits that are made in a reverse manner,
 so when you spin the drill to unscrew it, the bit will bit into the
 leftover bolt, if that makes sense.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Silver Hubs

[Jim Bronson]

Question is, can a steel replacement be obtained?  A prior post pointed out
a 6 pawl cro-mo freehub from the same manufacturer, is it a direct fit?

http://o-lite.com.tw/news.php?m=did=16p=1

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 The prevailing worry is your cassette cogs will dig into the splines and
 make it difficult to remove your cassette down the line.  It's a pretty
 common thing for riders like us to just say enough, I'm never buying an
 alloy cassette body again.  It's one of the reasons many of us think Deore
 XT from the late 90's early 00's were so great.  So many of them that they
 are really cheap.  Still made in Japan so they were good quality.  Steel
 axles and steel driveshells so your gears come off easy, no matter what you
 do.  The only acceptable lightweight alternative for many is Ti (white
 industries, Dura Ace).

 If Rich says they are nice then I trust they are nice, but many in this
 group will hear alloy drive shell and will steer clear.  It's a fact. I'd
 probably give them a shot, but if Riv had asked me to spec their Silver
 rear hub, I would have advised a steel driveshell for this reason.  One
 less thing to have to talk about.  The gram savings mean nothing in the
 context of a Rivendell.  Maybe this particular alloy driveshell is just as
 rugged, or close enough, but maybe it's not.  Steel would not have been
 less rugged, and would have been heavier.  The handwringers will wring
 hands more over alloy than they would have over the heavier weight.


 On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 12:38:47 PM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:

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[RBW] sheared off crank bolt

[Jim Bronson]

On a recent trail ride with my Redwood, I decided to stand and pedal rather
than downshift.  This had the most unfortunate consequence of the crank
bolt shearing inside the bottom bracket.  It also resulted in a nearly 6
mile walk back to the house.

My question is:  can the rest of the bolt be extracted and the bottom
bracket re-used?  Or should I just forget it and get a new bottom bracket.
It's not an expensive BB, Shimano UN-54 or similar.

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Re: [RBW] FS - 56cm Sam Hillborne frameset

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gorgeous Sam!

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:09 PM, 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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 I moved down a size on my touring rig to a new black  cream Sam. So, my
 older 56cm (orange) double TT frame set is up for sale. I'm the only owner,
 having purchased it new, completely built at the end of 2010 from
 Renaissance Bicycles in Henderson, NC (a Riv dealer of sorts) when he
 closed up shop. I used it for touring (overnighters - to - weeklong). 3,600
 miles.
 Included in the sale is the Tange headset (just cleaned and greased),
 Shimano BB, and a new - still in package - Kalloy Uno SP-248 seat post. No
 dings or dents and all paint chips were minor, mainly on the drive side
 chain stay, but are expertly touched up. Decals are perfect and the frame
 is treated with framesaver. Standover is 83.4cm and the (theoretical
 horizontal) TT is 59cm.

 Images and many closeups can be seen on my Flickr album:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157656461583886.

 Price is $700, plus shipping and insurance from the east coast. Please
 contact me off-list. Thanks for looking!

 Paul Germain
 Midlothian, Va.

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Re: [RBW] Re: You might be a Riv owner if you...

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-all the crabon fibre guys refer to your bike as a touring bike just
because it has bar end shifters.

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Re: [RBW] Merckxte!

[Jim Bronson]

Are you over there for PBP?

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 Seen in Paris.  Eddy Merckx branded, Molteni colored mixte.  1x5
 drivetrain, bottle dynamo, fenders.  The saddle is a little questionable,
 but otherwise, thumbs up!



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Re: [RBW] Re: How do I tell if I need a spacer for a 7speed cassette?

[Jim Bronson]

Maybe I've just never cared about these because I've never used a spacer,
always used 8 or 9 speed.  And it's been quite a while since I used 8 speed
at that.

I have a MTB with 7 speed but I've never removed the cassette and frankly
I'm not sure if it's a freehub or freewheel.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jim

 Sheldon's page shows the location of these three rivets:

 http://www.sheldonbrown.com/k7.html

 In the first photo, the cassette is on the right.  Three pins hold the
 cogs together as a unit.  That photo is the oldest revision, where the
 three pins are threaded bolts.  Many of us removed the bolts so we could
 swap individual cogs around.  Later revs came with rivets that are not so
 easily removable.  So a cassette spacer that enables you to run a 7-speed
 cassette on a 10-speed freehub body would need to have three little
 recesses for these bolt heads or rivet heads to nestle into.  Here's an
 example of one:

 Spacer with recesses
 https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTOYAl2vWaUHvIbExzL-QSfJ8YbfR3-oIhydn_RACYgQX7fRjxdiA

 On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 11:55:20 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 I am having a difficult time visualizing these three rivets.  They are in
 the teeth of the cassette that grab onto the freehub?

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 Thanks for the kind offer,  Rich.
 Does the spacer have  cutouts for the cassette rivets?
 The cassette has 3 rivets and wondering if I can find a spacer with
 cutouts so I don't have to grind off the rivets.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot ~ Is more than 1 bottle holder available?

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That 2nd VO link is great, I have a gas pipe Nishiki with zero braze-ons.

Heck the first link is great too, the Redwood has only two sets of
braze-ons but would be easy to add a 3rd to the handlebars.

For that matter this thread is great in general, thanks for all the ideas.
I like to carry 3 bottles but more would be great at times.

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 VO sells a handlebar mount for a bottle cage as well as metal cage clamps
 that wrap around your tube (use handlebar tape or inner tube or something,
 they will trash your paint).

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/water-bottles-cages/vo-handlebar-to-water-bottle-cage-mount.html

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/water-bottles-cages/bottle-cage-clamp.html

 Randi Jo's bartender bag, you can use one on either side of your stem and
 they are awesome.
 http://randijofab.com/products/bartender-bag

 It's not as convenient as bottle cages but when I'm taking the chev on a
 longer ride or out for an overnight or something I usually throw my 3 liter
 camelbak-type water bladder in my saddle bag and use it to fill my water
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Silver Hubs

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Is this cr-mo freehub body interchangeable?
http://o-lite.com.tw/pro.php?m=dpid=133cid=30f=6


On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:35 PM, J-Perp mcallister.j...@gmail.com wrote:

 Aluminum according to Kevin.


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  David,  When you get them can you please post if the CS body is steel or
 aluminum ?


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 Road hubs: QL-ZL7R look the closest - 6 pawls, etc. , just not enough
 holes in the flanges.
 I have ordered a set of the Silver from Rivendell.
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Re: [RBW] Re: How do I tell if I need a spacer for a 7speed cassette?

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I am having a difficult time visualizing these three rivets.  They are in
the teeth of the cassette that grab onto the freehub?

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Re: [RBW] What's in your garage?

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69ish Riv Custom
68 Redwood
69 Eisentraut
Unmeasured Nishiki - bike that I ride places and lock up.
22 1992 Cannondale M500
1994 Burley Duet

Hers:
60 SomaGR - really more like a 56
54 Mercier something or another


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 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order.

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day.
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun.
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used
 a lot.
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun.
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest bike
 ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for all
 her dolls.
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble.
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will.

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Trigger Shifters?

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Some Walmarts have KMC 9 speed chains re-branded as Bell and they cost not
much more than on eBay, $14 at my Walmart.  I've never bought one but I
made a mental note in case I ever found myself needing one.

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 9:39 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 Proprietary sized chain?   You can buy 9 speed chains from many, many
 companies.  It's as much of a standard as any other size chain.

 On 07/19/2015 10:34 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

 Used to love eight speed, but I'm finding that other than a
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Re: [RBW] Re: Trigger Shifters?

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I've used 10 speed chains before on 9 speed drivetrains, worked fine.

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 Nine speed is specially sized. Not the company, the size. Chains from
 five to eight speed are interchangeable. At nine you need a
 proprietary-sized one. Same with 10 and 11.

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  Proprietary sized chain?   You can buy 9 speed chains from many, many
  companies.  It's as much of a standard as any other size chain.
 
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  Used to love eight speed, but I'm finding that other than a
  proprietary sized chain, nine is pretty nice.
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Trigger Shifters?

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Microsoft makes Dynasys compatible bar-ends, if you want to take that post
the other direction, e.g., have a Dynasys-spec MTB rear derailer and don't
want to use trigger shifters.

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 Sorr y for short reply - on smart phone at moment, but can expand later if
 necessary.

 Shimano  changed derailleur movement ratio for mountain groups only with
 advent of 10 speed.  They call it dynasys.  All previous derailleurs with
 exception of older dura ace were 1.67:1 (often cited as 2:1.  Forget
 dynasys ratio at moment but closerto 1:1.  Easiest thing for you to do now
 Iis get a dynasys rear d.  Note that road 10 speed is still older ratio and
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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[Jim Bronson]

Daniel,

The Elephant NFE is a low trail bike, meaning it is meant to have a load in
the front.  Unloaded in the front, the steering will be somewhat light
depending on the exact amount of trail it has in millimeters.  Jan Heine
has done some testing on the handling characteristics of various amounts of
(low) trail.  35mm trail is said to be best with a 5-10 lb weight in
front.  Not sure exactly what the NFE has, as their site does not give an
exact number on the amount of trail.

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 Nice looking bike. Seems to tick off a lot of boxes on my list. But
 reading this part of the NFE blurb gave me pause, for experienced riders
 who prefer nimble handling and light steering input.  Sounds like it may
 not have the nice easy going stability I'm seeking.

 On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 11:56:57 AM UTC-7, Christian wrote:

 Steve,


 On the nature of greatness: Well, it's as zippy my Terraferma ever
 was--climbs amazingly, descends beautifully, rides well with a front load
 or without.

 The Compass tires feel fantastic on and off pavement and, Patrick, they
 were pretty simple to set up tubeless. With my Trek Flash Charger pump (a
 VERY cool item) the bead popped right on. They hold air very well.

 Any other questions, ask away!

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Re: [RBW] Does Science Now Support ... Just Ride ?

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Makes me wonder where randonneuring fits into all this.  It's hard at
times, but we don't try to kill ourselves either and we usually ride at a
social pace that allows for conversation.

But still, 10 hour + rides are a frequent occurrence in the life of a
randonneur.  If you keep a social pace is it just riding or are you
putting yourself in a danger zone just due to the sheer length of the thing.

Who knows...


-Jim

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 http://velonews.competitor.com/cycling-extremes

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Re: [RBW] RAGBRAI 2015

[Jim Bronson]

Pennsylvania Mountain Men  Harr

No s%t talking or you're walking!

Haha
On Jul 27, 2015 11:38 AM, Rusty Click click...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 Thought I'd update the group on my virginal RAGBRAI ride.  These are some
 pics of ride (to prove it happened).  My Sam rode wonderfully, and I met a
 few other Riv owners during the week.  Shout outs to T. Gavin for his
 advice, and the offer to ride some gravel (I'll add that to next years
 list), and to Robert Baily, whose story I barely knew, but remember reading
 about.  I'm glad to have met him during this years ride.  I hope to have a
 trip report soon, but here (hopefully) are some photos.

 https://www.flickr.com/gp/dcpgh/5T5aD5

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 Pittsburgh, PA

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Re: [RBW] Re: ...whereby a stone became caught up in his wheel

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Wow that picture is amazing.

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 http://www.klimgeiten.nl/images/historie/jaren/2013/16jun2013-3.jpg


Who wouldn't love to ride this ?

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Re: [RBW] Re: ...whereby a stone became caught up in his wheel

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It looks to me in that pic that the rider is wearing loafers!

On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:


That climb is just barely enough for one team car , let alone a
 rider .  It was only 3.4 km and despite the looks, it's a very steady and
 not very steep climb .

As far a teams and cars for support ,  been there done that as they
 say .  That's how it used to be when the TDF started.  Riders in fact could
 receive no support from anyone .  That combined with primitive roads up and
 down mountains , it was as much a sport of survival as anything else .  Now
 it's evolved to what it is, it is what it is  ..  . . lol ;-)

I love this vintage pic . . . . . pouring what is likely oil on a
 riders chain .  Then I noticed that guys legs  . . . . . holy cow  . . is
 that a cyclist or body builder ? !


 http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/tour-de-france-repairs.jpg






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 Would have been something if they kept it open to spectators and instead
 closed it to team cars.

 I'm all for bike races, but as Andy noted, noted, not team cars.
 Riders should have to finish on the bike they started with, repair their
 own flats, pick up food at neutral area.


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Re: [RBW] FS: SON 20 R dyno hub, 28 hole, $190 shipped CONUS OBO

[Jim Bronson]

The EQ21 shows as available in 28 hole on their site
http://sun-ringle.com/mtb/rims/eq21/


On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 About 3 K miles in a Rich-built wheel, but as smooth today as on the day
 of its birth. No blemish on the finish, either.

 Why am I selling? I'll tell you why I'm selling. I discovered last week
 that this hub is made for 28 spokes (Twenty Eight Spokes). And the new
 Sun/Ringle EQ21 rims don't come in 28 spokes. Oh well!

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Re: [RBW] FS: SON 20 R dyno hub, 28 hole, $190 shipped CONUS OBO

[Jim Bronson]

Ah that drives me nuts.  Bike parts that show on a manufacturer's website,
but nobody actually carries.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks. Yes, but not currently or in the near past actually available.

 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The EQ21 shows as available in 28 hole on their site
 http://sun-ringle.com/mtb/rims/eq21/


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 wrote:

 About 3 K miles in a Rich-built wheel, but as smooth today as on the day
 of its birth. No blemish on the finish, either.

 Why am I selling? I'll tell you why I'm selling. I discovered last week
 that this hub is made for 28 spokes (Twenty Eight Spokes). And the new
 Sun/Ringle EQ21 rims don't come in 28 spokes. Oh well!

 If $190 shipped to your door is too high, feel free to make an offer.

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Re: [RBW] Babyshoe Pass EL's Tubeless on Pacenti SL23's

[Jim Bronson]

It wasn't clear to me at which step you put the sealant in.  After the
tubeless tire stem, or before?

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.com
wrote:

 I converted my Babyshoe Pass EL's on Pacenti SL23 rims to tubeless
 yesterday. So my 58cm 650B Homer is running SMOOTH. Everything is great so
 far, I'll followup with a long term report after some more miles. Some
 preliminary observations:

 From what I had read, I was expecting a battle; but seating the tires was
 actually quite easy. I didn't want water inside the tires, so I used no
 soapy water or lubricant of any kind. I had an injector for the Orange Seal
 sealant, so I added the sealant AFTER the tires were seated. In short, the
 tires were seated while completely dry. Here is how I did it.

 First, I seated the tires in the normal manner with an inner tube. Then I
 broke ONE bead and removed the inner tube. I installed the tubeless tire
 stem. Then I worked my way around the rim and pulled the loose bead outward
 on the rim to seat it as best as I could. It wasn't fully seated of course,
 but somewhat close. Then I just pumped the tire up and seated it, didn't
 even remove the valve core (as some recommend for faster air flow) because
 my pump fit the valve stem better with the core in. It was actually quite
 easy to seat the tire with my floor pump! Full disclosure, I have the high
 volume Lezyne Dirt Floor Drive Pump, but really I think any floor pump
 would have worked. My daughter seated one of the tires and I seated the
 other. Easy both times. I think the key is to have one bead completely on
 and the second bead pulled in close like I did.

 So far I'm quite satisfied with tubeless. My goal was to avoid having to
 use a heavy commuter tire because I really love the ride of the Babyshoe
 Pass EL's. I see no weight savings with tubeless and I don't care. If there
 is a difference in performance I can't tell. I was already using Schwalbe
 SV14 light (130 gram) inner tubes and the ride was sweet (when I didn't
 flat). I'm interested only in flat protection because with all the goat
 heads and other thorns around here flats were annoyingly common with tubes.
 I probably used more Orange Seal than necessary, but we will see. I'll
 probably carry two inner tubes and a patch kit as emergency backup, so
 again...no weight savings. But if I don't get flats, it will be worth it. I
 use my bike to commute to work. It is only 5 miles each direction, but I
 get up early and extend my morning commute somewhere fun to get a 90 minute
 or so morning ride. I don't want to be fixing a flat out in the boonies at
 dawn before work. Been there, done that!

 So hopefully tubeless will be the answer for me...time will tell.

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Re: [RBW] Babyshoe Pass EL's Tubeless on Pacenti SL23's

[Jim Bronson]

It is still not clear to me at what point you put the sealant (Stan's,
Orange Seal, or similar) in the tire.  You mention installing the tubeless
valve stem, but you don't mention adding sealant.

Or are you saying you didn't use any sealant?

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.com
wrote:

 I seated both beads using a n inner tube. Then I broke one bead to remove
 the inner tube and install the tubeless valve.


 On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 11:22:22 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 It wasn't clear to me at which step you put the sealant in.  After the
 tubeless tire stem, or before?

 On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Doug Williams sal...@minbaritm.com
 wrote:

 I converted my Babyshoe Pass EL's on Pacenti SL23 rims to tubeless
 yesterday. So my 58cm 650B Homer is running SMOOTH. Everything is great so
 far, I'll followup with a long term report after some more miles. Some
 preliminary observations:

 From what I had read, I was expecting a battle; but seating the tires
 was actually quite easy. I didn't want water inside the tires, so I used no
 soapy water or lubricant of any kind. I had an injector for the Orange Seal
 sealant, so I added the sealant AFTER the tires were seated. In short, the
 tires were seated while completely dry. Here is how I did it.

 First, I seated the tires in the normal manner with an inner tube. Then
 I broke ONE bead and removed the inner tube. I installed the tubeless tire
 stem. Then I worked my way around the rim and pulled the loose bead outward
 on the rim to seat it as best as I could. It wasn't fully seated of course,
 but somewhat close. Then I just pumped the tire up and seated it, didn't
 even remove the valve core (as some recommend for faster air flow) because
 my pump fit the valve stem better with the core in. It was actually quite
 easy to seat the tire with my floor pump! Full disclosure, I have the high
 volume Lezyne Dirt Floor Drive Pump, but really I think any floor pump
 would have worked. My daughter seated one of the tires and I seated the
 other. Easy both times. I think the key is to have one bead completely on
 and the second bead pulled in close like I did.

 So far I'm quite satisfied with tubeless. My goal was to avoid having to
 use a heavy commuter tire because I really love the ride of the Babyshoe
 Pass EL's. I see no weight savings with tubeless and I don't care. If there
 is a difference in performance I can't tell. I was already using Schwalbe
 SV14 light (130 gram) inner tubes and the ride was sweet (when I didn't
 flat). I'm interested only in flat protection because with all the goat
 heads and other thorns around here flats were annoyingly common with tubes.
 I probably used more Orange Seal than necessary, but we will see. I'll
 probably carry two inner tubes and a patch kit as emergency backup, so
 again...no weight savings. But if I don't get flats, it will be worth it. I
 use my bike to commute to work. It is only 5 miles each direction, but I
 get up early and extend my morning commute somewhere fun to get a 90 minute
 or so morning ride. I don't want to be fixing a flat out in the boonies at
 dawn before work. Been there, done that!

 So hopefully tubeless will be the answer for me...time will tell.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Silver Hubs

[Jim Bronson]

Novatec, probably.
On Jul 17, 2015 1:20 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 I was wondering the same thing about the bearings.  A few years ago I had
 Rich build me a set of 700c wheels and he described the hubs as no brand
 but made by a Taiwanese company that he ID'd by two or three letters.  I'm
 betting they are from the same company as the Silver hubs.  Mine are
 definately cartridge bearing and you can see the seals of the cartridges.
 So far, they have been flawless and still spin like a brand new set.



 On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 12:46:39 PM UTC-5, Ginz wrote:

 What do y'all think of the new Silver hubs?  Are they cartridge
 bearing'd?  It looks that way in the photo but I'm not certain.

 I've been thinking of building up a rear mtb wheel for the Hunq using
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[RBW] Salsa bike packing book

[Jim Bronson]

With all the talk over the years of s240s I figure someone might appreciate
this...

http://salsacycles.com/culture/introducing_the_bikepackers_guide

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Re: [RBW] Re-united with Atlantis, impressed with Phil/White customer service!

[Jim Bronson]

This made me think of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1uvmh75xxs

Guess I am dating myself ;)

-jim

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 For the past two weeks, my wife and I have been on a motorcycle trip out
 west, hiking and camping in the Canadian Rockies. Many times as my feet
 started to hurt or I was trudging down an endless downhill, I was wishing
 for my bike. But my Atlantis was back home in a state of disrepair - the
 rear phil hub had been constantly skipping pawls for the past six months
 despite several complete rebuilds by my LBS with the guidance of Phil Wood
 techs. On top of that, my nearly-new White Industries road crank arms were
 mysteriously coming loose on a regular basis, as if they had been
 improperly installed (though I have several pairs of these crank arms and
 have used square taper forever, never had any problems before, installed
 according to supplied instructions).

 When I got home I was so happy to see Phil Wood had sent me a brand new
 hub, despite it being off warranty and despite the fact that my hub passed
 every test they threw at it. It 'should' be perfectly fine they said, but I
 was sent a shiny new hub anyway. Incredible!

 Then I checked my email and saw that White Industries has also mailed me a
 replacement pair of cranks, which should be arriving any day now. What a
 day!

 To celebrate I popped on a spare rear wheel and rode out to my favourite
 spot to watch a huge prairie thunderstorm rolling in. It felt great to be
 back on the bike and I'm excited to rebuild the rear wheel with the new
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Re: [RBW] Ram as 650 tourer, a follow up report.

[Jim Bronson]

Oops didn't finish my sentence.  With the 650Bx38 LoupLoup non-extralight
I'm getting between 2000-3000 on rear tires and well I've only changed my
front tire once in a year and a half plus of running these, sorta lost
track because my speedometer battery died for a couple of months before I
replaced it.  But I've gotten about 11,000 Rando K's in that time as well
as some of other puttering around riding I do and a few charity rides.

As always, YMMV

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just curious if this is a true apples to apples comparison.  My custom
 feels maybe a slight bit more plodding, but, my 650b wheels are much
 heavier than the 700c wheels I was running previously.  I had Velocity
 Fusion on Campy Chorus most recently before converting and now I'm running
 Soma Weymouth on Deore hubs.  Probably gained at least half a pound in
 wheel weight, plus the non-Ultralight LoupLoup Pass are heavier than the
 Grand Bois 700x30(32) I was running before.  So in my case I have not ever
 made a true apples to apples comparison with similar wheel and tire
 weights.

 Besides the cush factor, the Compass LoupLoup Pass also last way longer
 than the Grand Bois did, I was only getting about 750 miles out of a rear
 tire on the 700x30 but with the 650Bx38.  And I do love the cush.

 So for me, it's worth it.  YMMV.

 I've got the rims and hubs to do a conversion on my Redwood also, but
 first I am going to run some 700x38 Barlow Pass for a while that I picked
 up for FREE() locally for a while.  Sans fenders, of course, as I don't
 think they'll fit.  Should be interesting.

 -Jim

 On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll go ahead and be the only voice of dissent. I converted a Ram from
 700x33 to 650bx42 recently, and the handling and general swiftness of the
 bike suffered in my opinion. The bike was no longer effortless to
 accelerate and just didn't glide nearly as well anymore. I noticed this on
 hill approaches particularly, as the bike lost momentum quicker and it took
 more effort to spin up.

 My 650b experiments are ongoing and hardly clinical in nature, but the
 exercise definitely contributed to solidifying my preference for the
 700x32-38mm range. Naturally, this means relatively higher PSI and lower
 cush factor but speed and agility is possibly more important to me than a
 lusciously compliant ride. I think a lot of people value the cush and may
 be prepared to accept a certain degree of compromise to achieve that.
 Others have reported little to no loss in performance after the switch.

 It's worth pointing out that I am 6'4 with bikes that can accommodate
 fat 700c tires well in proportion. I can certainly imagine riders of
 average or small size bikes seeing the advantage in converting a 700x28
 bike when relative wheel proportions could present problems.

 KJ



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 Heck, perhaps I should have kept my Ram and converted it to 650B.

 I'll be interested to hear further impressions.


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Re: [RBW] Ram as 650 tourer, a follow up report.

[Jim Bronson]

Just curious if this is a true apples to apples comparison.  My custom
feels maybe a slight bit more plodding, but, my 650b wheels are much
heavier than the 700c wheels I was running previously.  I had Velocity
Fusion on Campy Chorus most recently before converting and now I'm running
Soma Weymouth on Deore hubs.  Probably gained at least half a pound in
wheel weight, plus the non-Ultralight LoupLoup Pass are heavier than the
Grand Bois 700x30(32) I was running before.  So in my case I have not ever
made a true apples to apples comparison with similar wheel and tire
weights.

Besides the cush factor, the Compass LoupLoup Pass also last way longer
than the Grand Bois did, I was only getting about 750 miles out of a rear
tire on the 700x30 but with the 650Bx38.  And I do love the cush.

So for me, it's worth it.  YMMV.

I've got the rims and hubs to do a conversion on my Redwood also, but first
I am going to run some 700x38 Barlow Pass for a while that I picked up for
FREE() locally for a while.  Sans fenders, of course, as I don't think
they'll fit.  Should be interesting.

-Jim

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll go ahead and be the only voice of dissent. I converted a Ram from
 700x33 to 650bx42 recently, and the handling and general swiftness of the
 bike suffered in my opinion. The bike was no longer effortless to
 accelerate and just didn't glide nearly as well anymore. I noticed this on
 hill approaches particularly, as the bike lost momentum quicker and it took
 more effort to spin up.

 My 650b experiments are ongoing and hardly clinical in nature, but the
 exercise definitely contributed to solidifying my preference for the
 700x32-38mm range. Naturally, this means relatively higher PSI and lower
 cush factor but speed and agility is possibly more important to me than a
 lusciously compliant ride. I think a lot of people value the cush and may
 be prepared to accept a certain degree of compromise to achieve that.
 Others have reported little to no loss in performance after the switch.

 It's worth pointing out that I am 6'4 with bikes that can accommodate fat
 700c tires well in proportion. I can certainly imagine riders of average or
 small size bikes seeing the advantage in converting a 700x28 bike when
 relative wheel proportions could present problems.

 KJ



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 Heck, perhaps I should have kept my Ram and converted it to 650B.

 I'll be interested to hear further impressions.


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Re: [RBW] Ram as 650 tourer, a follow up report.

[Jim Bronson]

Yes, that downside is quite salient, I find myself wanting to put fat
Compass tires on all my bikes ;)

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 11:55 AM, alan lavine cigar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hola,
 Just completed a 1 hr test ride of the Ram with VO 650 wheels and Compass
 42's.  OH-MY-O-MY  what a difference!! I am not one prone to hyperbole ,
 but the difference is striking. The wheels are so much lighter they
 accelerate easily and the road feel is super comfy without being squishy.
 I've been a recreational rider for over 35 yrs, but have not felt anything
 like this before.  This is a bike for my old agewait, whoops...already
 there.

 RE the brakes:  The slots on the Riv silver side pulls only required
 minimal filing, I guess mine is not one with the high rear brake bridge.
 Also, I changed the pads from rectangular block pads to the Koolstop
 Thinlines, my favorite pads anyway.  The braking surface is longer and not
 quite as tall, so you gain maybe .5 mm.  Still, I will be watching
 carefully as the pads wear.

 My old wheels (Phil hubs 36 laced to Bontrager Fairlane asym rims, with
 Compass 32's)  weigh a ton in comparison.  Are these known to be heavy
 wheels?

 Can't speak to pedal strike yet, I don't pedal in the turns, or at least I
 won't now.

 I strongly recommend this conversion if comfort is your main goal...also,
 my fenders are on order.  Thanks to all for the advice.

 Alan

 MAIN DOWNSIDE: I may have to do this to my other road bike.

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Re: [RBW] Tenkara Erandonee

[Jim Bronson]

Glorious, as usual!

-Jim

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Gearing up for tenkara fishing on wee mountain streams.


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Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

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I shake my head at people I see out riding around at night without lights
or reflective gear.  I only hope that I am always able to see them and give
them plenty of space.  I've wondered before if there is some bike advocacy
organization around here that I can volunteer to give out lights to
cyclists for.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 12:01 AM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lately I've had trouble from other cyclists!
 Several times cyclists have been riding the wrong way, towards me on the
 shoulder, which sometimes forced me into the lane to go around them.
 This week as I was driving, two cyclists came riding abreast down a ramp
 head on towards me, forcing me to stop my car suddenly in my lane. Glad I
 didn't get rear ended or hit them.

 I don't know what to say to them. Maybe Wrong side of the road. Your
 gonna get hit., or something? Not much of a window to talk as they pass me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

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With Rivendell selling the SP dynamo hubs for $110, that doesn't really
make a lot of sense to me from an economic standpoint.  I guess though if
you have to have absolute zero added drag when your lights are off, that
would be one way to do it.  Or if the slight vibration of a dynamo hub
drives you crazy, as it does with some people.

All practical considerations aside, it looks very nice.  I also like the
look of your frame, is it stainless or titanium?

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote:

 I paid with Paypal that does not itemize.  Total payment in March this
 year came to $229.05.  (unless Velogical prices went up believe this would
 be a little lower now with stronger dollar).  That price includes some
 hardware the builder needed to braze on.  Someone buying with the bolt on
 hardware would not need those extras.


 On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 12:30:47 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

 mind if I ask the cost?  thanks again

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 Yes, ordered directly from Germany.  I recall but no longer have
 something in one of the communications from manufacturer that he is in the
 process of setting up a U.S. distributor.  Appears this has not happened
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[RBW] The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

[Jim Bronson]

http://www.businessinsider.com/new-specialized-s-works-venge-vias-for-tour-de-france-revealed-2015-6

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Re: [RBW] Re: The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

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Hey, good one.  For my 12.5K, I would get these three Rivs:

A custom Riv but with the build of an Atlantis, since the stock Atlantis
does not come in my size and I see that the used 68s are hard to come by,
for my upcoming world tour.

An AHH in 71 just because I can (make it work with a short-ish stem.) for
mixed terrain riding

An extra large Clem Jr (If they build it) for riding to work

Since I economized on the Clem, I would also get a custom tigged Boulder
for rando rides.

Jim

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Will waller.will...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's interesting. For $12.5K I can have 1 Venge sigh or 3 Rivs.

 My Rivs would be:

 1) Atlantis with everything: racks, bags, fenders, dynamo, lights
 2) Atlantis bare to the bone, nothing but fat tires
 3) Hilsen or Legolas (gotta spend that last $4K)

 Or I could have a Venge. ROFLMAO




 On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 12:53:15 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

 form certainly follows function, because that is one ugly bike

 On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:


 http://www.businessinsider.com/new-specialized-s-works-venge-vias-for-tour-de-france-revealed-2015-6
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Re: [RBW] Barlow Pass Burley

[Jim Bronson]

I have a Burley also, can you take some closeups of the vertical
clearance?  Interested in doing this also.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/06/barlow-pass-burley.html

 Yet another gushing, happy compass tire customer.  (at the price it's a
 good thing we're all delighted!)  I threw the 700x38 non extra light
 versions on my Burley Bossa Nova last week with the express purpose of
 making the bike a comfortable CO Canal Towpath bike given my proximity.
 Worked out great, the conversion from 27 1/4 to 700c was without drama and
 my clearances still are excellent. Ill be adding some Berthoud steel
 fenders next, I love how solid they are once mounted.  The tires act very
 similar to my EL Hetre's, they almost any pavement seem like fresh pavement
 and they make hardpack/gravel trails feel like regular pavement (if not
 better).  Nice upgrade from the 32mm Gatorskins I was running.

 My wife and I have enjoyed the tandem so much the past three weeks we've
 been getting out more and more.  Monday night in fact we got out for a
 quick ride to Jones Point Park (under the VA side of the Woodrow Wilson
 Bridge) and back and I nearly had a disaster when I clipped a parking
 barrier with my non-drive side pedal.  Luckily we were going slow but we
 ended up on our feet out of the saddle.  The bike didn't sound great on the
 way home and Erika's handlebars were out of place but we got home in one
 piece.  As the picture below show's though that slow speed collision, my
 weight (on the saddle) and her weight (on the handlebars) bent the Kalloy
 seatpost in an instant!  Good thing I had another.

 I re-tuned the drivetrain, replaced the seatpost and it seems ok. We'll
 have to get a test ride in over the weekend to make sure. Gotta keep the
 tandem rolling at all costs now that it has captured both of our attention!


 Tony


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aIIqys1g1Vw/VYIl968G8NI/IN8/9_sDncGKhi4/s1600/DSC_5450.jpg



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Re: [RBW] Early Morning Ride

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Love your pics.  My dad was born and spent his early years right next door
in San Bernadino.  It's an area I enjoy visiting.

That being said, I wouldn't shy away from evening riding.  I find that I
like to force myself out of my comfort zone, and the more I do so, the more
comfortable I am in the extreme heat.  Sun sleeves would also work really
well in your very dry climate.

This year for us in Texas, it's more the humidity than the heat though,
some days don't even get out of the 80s but the air is so thick you could
cut it with a knife.   My sun sleeves are useless with this humidity, they
make me hotter than I would be otherwise.

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wrote:

 Now that it's daily 100F here in Inland Southern California, my
 comfortable riding window is much narrower. Either early morning or
 early evening. Still warm in the evening, so that leaves morning as
 the only comfortable time. Finally got around to making it happen
 after thinking about it all week.

 Wake up at 5:30. Make an espresso, pump up the tires, out the door @
 5:55. Spin around the hills till 6:45, then zip back down (topped out
 at 40.4MPH!) to be home by 7:00 when my spouse leaves for work. Worked
 out great and really enjoyed it. Will see if I can make it happen more
 than once!

 Best pic of the morning:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/18891368025/in/photostream/lightbox/

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Re: [RBW] COUNTRY ROADS ON A COUNTRY BIKE

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I like this one:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/18840111256/

How fast do you go downhill on gravel?

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado 
row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Took the Sam out to the local roads of Larkspur and first ride since
 adding a Pass  Stow front rack , med Basket, Med Shop Sack,  Acorn Medium
 Saddle bag. Includes shots of downtown Larkspur. Note...three way stop at
 main intersections..no traffic lights. Hope the photos open.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fender Question

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The hardware store P-clamps will rust.  Are the higher end ones stainless
steel?

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote:

 No concerns. The P-clips come plasti-dipped, and additionally I used a
 strip of that rubber shim material from Blinky mounts. You can kind of see
 them if you look close enough in those pics.

 Anton


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  I agree that the Riv solution works well, since I've successfully used
 this method on a bike with no eyelets. But why pay $11 for a pair of heavy
 duty band clamps when much cheaper P-clamps ($2/pair) do
  the same thing and cost a fraction?

 Hardware store variety?  Any concerns with marring the paint?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joy of Wrenching

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To me this seems like a solution in search of a problem, at least for the
home mechanic.  I've never had any issues adjusting calipers by hand, and I
make fine adjustments with the barrel adjuster.

Now if you work in a shop, I'm sure the speed and precision afforded by it
will make you extra money as you will be able to complete more work in the
same time.  For my garage though it's not worth $30 to me.

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 Try a Hozan C-356.I've had mine for 30 years.I like it better than any
 other for easy use and getting into tight spots.Very popular in bike shops.



 http://www.amazon.com/ACTION-TOOL-BRAKE-HOZAN-C-356/dp/B001E6HR0U

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