Re: [freenet-support] REMOVE FREENET

[xor]

On Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:39:34 PM Nuno lemos wrote:
> I have tried the Freenet browser for a while, but is giving a lot of issues
> to my system, which is raspeberry Pi Debian jessie.
> 
> Could you kindly please inform how to remove completely from the system.

I'm sorry for the late reply, this got caught in the spam filter.

Try this command:
java -jar ~/Freenet/Uninstaller/uninstaller.jar

Also can you please let us know what the issues are so we can fix them? :)

Thanks!

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Re: [freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

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Ivan, Arne

Thanks for your replies. I looked at YaCy. It's new to me.

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Re: [freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

[Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer]

Arne Babenhauserheide (2017-02-21 18:44:48 +0100) wrote:

> Do I remember correctly that the bundler replicates the site as is —
> with all its dangers to privacy? (Freenet provides heavy whitelist
> filtering to protect its users from uploaded content).

Sorry, but I do not know the software that much, but thanks for the
heads up, it'll be useful if we decide to work more on bundler.

> >> >   3. Access to censored dynamic content (i.e. web apps) is
> >> >   possible.
> >> 
> >> That’s a hard one. You’d need to remodel the web apps to use
> >> Freenet as backend instead of the clearnet.
> >> 
> >> I do not think that it is possible at all to provide anything which
> >> uses Javascript and at the same time preserve the anonymity of your
> >> users.
> >
> > Yeah, that's a hard one, that's why we may probably end up combining
> > several tools.
> 
> You could even go as far as simply re-developing popular tools on top
> of Freenet as locally running tools. That might turn out to be easier
> than trying to secure javascript.

Yes probably, but we have limited resources and code reuse may save much
effort.  For some particular components providing a "more native"
solution may still be feasible, and the projects you're working (and
mainly babcom) on may be of special interest there.`:)`

Thanks again for your advice!

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Re: [freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer writes:

> Robert John Morton (2017-02-20 08:19:36 -0300) wrote:
>
>> Dear CENO team:
>> 
>> An extremely worth-while and timely project. I wish you well.
>> 
>> I think that the deliberate exclusion of sites from popular search engine
>> listings is one of the worst forms of censorship on the Web. Perhaps the
>> only way to combat this is to create a search engine that has no commercial
>> or political motives behind it: an "open source" search engine if you like.
>> But it would have to be made popular and that's the difficult part.

You could use YaCy for that: http://www.yacy.net

Best wishes,
Arne
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Re: [freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Hi Ivan,

Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer writes:
> Hi Arne, thanks for the insights and the links.  Please note that the
> current CENO project is actually using Freenet as a signalling and
> storage backend!`:)`

It’s great to know that this is still the case!

>> (I submitted a project plan for improving this to NLnet which shows what
>>  would have to be done for an uncensorable and attack resistant
>>  news-network. It got into the short-list but wasn’t selected for
>>  funding: http://www.draketo.de/english/freenet/news-of-the-day )
>
> That looks like a very interesting system!  CENO already includes some
> RSS feeds from selected sites, I'm not sure how this would aling with
> the particular requirement (we were focusing more in web sites), but
> it's without doubt an innovative approach.  Thanks for sharing it!

I’d have liked to finish it faster, but that requires about 10k€ to
finance the required WoT speedups (WoT interaction is what currently
slows down the system the most).

>> >   2. Censored content is made available within a reasonable time.
>> 
>> Just ask someone to run
>> 
>> copyweb -d  ; freesitemgr add 
>> 
>> Or integrate that functionality into a program. You might want to use
>> beautifulsoup to clean up the code for the Freenet content filter, i.e.:
>> http://127.0.0.1:/freenet:USK@0iU87PXyodL2nm6kCpmYntsteViIbMwlJE~wlqIVvZ0,nenxGvjXDElX5RIZxMvwSnOtRzUKJYjoXEDgkhY6Ljw,AQACAAE/freenetproject-mirror/491/update.sh?type=text/plain
>
> CENO currently uses [bundler](https://github.com/equalitie/bundler),
> which does a similar task.  Thanks for the hints!

Do I remember correctly that the bundler replicates the site as is —
with all its dangers to privacy? (Freenet provides heavy whitelist
filtering to protect its users from uploaded content).

>> >   3. Access to censored dynamic content (i.e. web apps) is possible.
>> 
>> That’s a hard one. You’d need to remodel the web apps to use Freenet as
>> backend instead of the clearnet.
>> 
>> I do not think that it is possible at all to provide anything which uses
>> Javascript and at the same time preserve the anonymity of your users.
>
> Yeah, that's a hard one, that's why we may probably end up combining
> several tools.

You could even go as far as simply re-developing popular tools on top of
Freenet as locally running tools. That might turn out to be easier than
trying to secure javascript.

> Wow, these a very useful links, thanks!

We should communicate more often.

>> […] PS: I’m only a few more hours away from being able to do proper
>> Freenet releases, so we can finally deploy improvements to the
>> freenet core again.
>
> Cool, good luck with that, and thanks again for the very informative
> reply!

Good luck to you, too! And Happy Hacking!
- Arne
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Re: [freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

[Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer]

Hi, thanks for your advice!  Maybe I should have mentioned that the
current version of the project does use Freenet for signalling and
storage, so we already enjoy these features from Freenet.  The harder
part will surely be dynamic or user-dependent content, along maybe
privacy-preserving statistics, so we may en up combining several tools.

Regarding content availability, we were more focused in replicated
content (as with Freenet), but we got a couple suggestions regarding
mesh networking.  That's a more ambitious solution, but we may give some
thought to it.

Thank you!

Freenet (2017-02-21 07:46:00 +) wrote:

> Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer:
> > 
> >   1. Content is available under censorship conditions, ideally even
> >  after connection to the Internet has been completely cut for a
> >  whole region.
> 
> Try http://project-byzantium.org/ for inspiration. Maybe also
> https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns. Freenet can use ShoeShop to move
> fblobs via sneakernet.
> 
> >   2. Censored content is made available within a reasonable time.
> 
> FLIP (Freenet's IRC) has RTT of about 45 seconds.
> 
> >   3. Access to censored dynamic content (i.e. web apps) is possible.
> 
> Userscripts can give JavaScript, but any Turing complete code will be an
> issue to secure.
> 
> >   4. The system benefits from the user's participation, and is resistant
> >  to participants dropping off and to rogue nodes in the hands of the
> >  censor.
> 
> Freenet does this.
> 
> >   5. Users of the system are anonymous to someone observing their
> >  traffic, even if that someone is a participant in the system.
> 
> Freenet mostly does this. Darknet protects against currently known attacks.
> 
> >   6. Users' devices don't reveal the content that they or other users
> >  have accessed.
> 
> Set up something like https://tails.boum.org/
> 
> >   7. The system is amenable to privacy-preserving analytics to check its
> >  impact.
> 
> There are a couple projects that monitor the state of Freenet.

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Re: [freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

[Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer]

Arne Babenhauserheide (2017-02-20 22:12:59 +0100) wrote:

> Hi Ivan, Dear eQualit.ie Hackers,
> 
> Aside from the web-apps part, Freenet can already provide everything
> you asked for.

Hi Arne, thanks for the insights and the links.  Please note that the
current CENO project is actually using Freenet as a signalling and
storage backend!`:)`

> Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer  writes:
> >   1. Content is available under censorship conditions, ideally even
> >  after connection to the Internet has been completely cut for a
> >  whole region.
> 
> If you still have IP-based connections to people inside the region, this
> is the case, if you run a specialized darknet within that region (so
> content only gets replicated within the regional net).
> 
> There are already tools to make automatic Freenet connections. Talk to
> Michael Grube (thesnark).
> 
> For auto-spawning Freenet nodes when an application is started, see
> https://github.com/ArneBab/lib-pyFreenet-staging/blob/py3/freenet3/spawn.py
> 
> For communication with sub-5-minute latency from external programs, see
> https://github.com/ArneBab/lib-pyFreenet-staging/blob/py3/babcom.py
> 
> (I submitted a project plan for improving this to NLnet which shows what
>  would have to be done for an uncensorable and attack resistant
>  news-network. It got into the short-list but wasn’t selected for
>  funding: http://www.draketo.de/english/freenet/news-of-the-day )

That looks like a very interesting system!  CENO already includes some
RSS feeds from selected sites, I'm not sure how this would aling with
the particular requirement (we were focusing more in web sites), but
it's without doubt an innovative approach.  Thanks for sharing it!

> >   2. Censored content is made available within a reasonable time.
> 
> Just ask someone to run
> 
> copyweb -d  ; freesitemgr add 
> 
> Or integrate that functionality into a program. You might want to use
> beautifulsoup to clean up the code for the Freenet content filter, i.e.:
> http://127.0.0.1:/freenet:USK@0iU87PXyodL2nm6kCpmYntsteViIbMwlJE~wlqIVvZ0,nenxGvjXDElX5RIZxMvwSnOtRzUKJYjoXEDgkhY6Ljw,AQACAAE/freenetproject-mirror/491/update.sh?type=text/plain

CENO currently uses [bundler](https://github.com/equalitie/bundler),
which does a similar task.  Thanks for the hints!

> >   3. Access to censored dynamic content (i.e. web apps) is possible.
> 
> That’s a hard one. You’d need to remodel the web apps to use Freenet as
> backend instead of the clearnet.
> 
> I do not think that it is possible at all to provide anything which uses
> Javascript and at the same time preserve the anonymity of your users.

Yeah, that's a hard one, that's why we may probably end up combining
several tools.

> >   4. The system benefits from the user's participation, and is resistant
> >  to participants dropping off and to rogue nodes in the hands of the
> >  censor.
> 
> Resilient yes, for absolute resistance, you need to replicate
> everything, which limits the amount of data you can provide.
> 
> >   5. Users of the system are anonymous to someone observing their
> >  traffic, even if that someone is a participant in the system.
> 
> Jepp. A weak yes for automatic connections, a strong yes, if they
> connect to people they know.
> 
> >   6. Users' devices don't reveal the content that they or other users
> >  have accessed.
> 
> Jepp (as long as you use a separate browser in incognito mode).
> 
> >   7. The system is amenable to privacy-preserving analytics to check its
> >  impact.
> 
> Jepp.
> 
> i.e. http://asksteved.com/stats/2 — though it’s currently in sleep mode,
> there’s a new site for that in Freenet: 
> http://127.0.0.1:/USK@2zwBwyJeZnkbqH0N7WZXp6BQqR1Ys85rkthOFvfXOts,HIouq2elJyNt9VIsFfYbYmtvinOEeeY3LAAKVUqiSXo,AQACAAE/YAFS/175/

Wow, these a very useful links, thanks!

> […] PS: I’m only a few more hours away from being able to do proper
> Freenet releases, so we can finally deploy improvements to the
> freenet core again.

Cool, good luck with that, and thanks again for the very informative
reply!

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Re: [freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

[Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer]

Robert John Morton (2017-02-20 08:19:36 -0300) wrote:

> Dear CENO team:
> 
> An extremely worth-while and timely project. I wish you well.
> 
> I think that the deliberate exclusion of sites from popular search engine
> listings is one of the worst forms of censorship on the Web. Perhaps the
> only way to combat this is to create a search engine that has no commercial
> or political motives behind it: an "open source" search engine if you like.
> But it would have to be made popular and that's the difficult part.
> 
> More determined censoring, I suppose, is where a particular government
> blocks content at specific IP addresses from entering its jurisdiction. I
> imagine that a set of obscured relays could manage this by making censored
> content available via unblocked addresses. This could, however, end up as a
> cat and mouse chase in which the content consumer would have to be able to
> hop quickly to ever-changing unblocked IP addresses.
> 
> Many difficult problems but well worth overcoming.

Thanks for your reply, Robert.  The search engine issue is one aspect I
hadn't reflected upon, and it may indeed have very broad consequences
given the way the web is used nowadays.

Thanks again for your comments!

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Re: [freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

[Freenet]

Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer:
> 
>   1. Content is available under censorship conditions, ideally even
>  after connection to the Internet has been completely cut for a
>  whole region.

Try http://project-byzantium.org/ for inspiration. Maybe also
https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns. Freenet can use ShoeShop to move
fblobs via sneakernet.

>   2. Censored content is made available within a reasonable time.

FLIP (Freenet's IRC) has RTT of about 45 seconds.

>   3. Access to censored dynamic content (i.e. web apps) is possible.

Userscripts can give JavaScript, but any Turing complete code will be an
issue to secure.


>   4. The system benefits from the user's participation, and is resistant
>  to participants dropping off and to rogue nodes in the hands of the
>  censor.

Freenet does this.


>   5. Users of the system are anonymous to someone observing their
>  traffic, even if that someone is a participant in the system.

Freenet mostly does this. Darknet protects against currently known attacks.

>   6. Users' devices don't reveal the content that they or other users
>  have accessed.

Set up something like https://tails.boum.org/

>   7. The system is amenable to privacy-preserving analytics to check its
>  impact.

There are a couple projects that monitor the state of Freenet.
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Re: [freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Arne Babenhauserheide  writes:

> Hi Ivan, Dear eQualit.ie Hackers,
>
> Aside from the web-apps part, Freenet can already provide everything you
> asked for.
>
> Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer  writes:
>>   1. Content is available under censorship conditions, ideally even
>>  after connection to the Internet has been completely cut for a
>>  whole region.
>
> If you still have IP-based connections to people inside the region, this
> is the case, if you run a specialized darknet within that region (so
> content only gets replicated within the regional net).
>
> There are already tools to make automatic Freenet connections. Talk to
> Michael Grube (thesnark).
>
> For auto-spawning Freenet nodes when an application is started, see
> https://github.com/ArneBab/lib-pyFreenet-staging/blob/py3/freenet3/spawn.py
>
> For communication with sub-5-minute latency from external programs, see
> https://github.com/ArneBab/lib-pyFreenet-staging/blob/py3/babcom.py
>
> (I submitted a project plan for improving this to NLnet which shows what
>  would have to be done for an uncensorable and attack resistant
>  news-network. It got into the short-list but wasn’t selected for
>  funding: http://www.draketo.de/english/freenet/news-of-the-day )
>
>>   2. Censored content is made available within a reasonable time.
>
> Just ask someone to run
> PS: I’m only a few more hours away from being able to do proper Freenet
> releases, so we can finally deploy improvements to the freenet core
> again.

PPS: See http://www.draketo.de/proj/freenet-release-management/
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Re: [freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Hi Ivan, Dear eQualit.ie Hackers,

Aside from the web-apps part, Freenet can already provide everything you
asked for.

Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer  writes:
>   1. Content is available under censorship conditions, ideally even
>  after connection to the Internet has been completely cut for a
>  whole region.

If you still have IP-based connections to people inside the region, this
is the case, if you run a specialized darknet within that region (so
content only gets replicated within the regional net).

There are already tools to make automatic Freenet connections. Talk to
Michael Grube (thesnark).

For auto-spawning Freenet nodes when an application is started, see
https://github.com/ArneBab/lib-pyFreenet-staging/blob/py3/freenet3/spawn.py

For communication with sub-5-minute latency from external programs, see
https://github.com/ArneBab/lib-pyFreenet-staging/blob/py3/babcom.py

(I submitted a project plan for improving this to NLnet which shows what
 would have to be done for an uncensorable and attack resistant
 news-network. It got into the short-list but wasn’t selected for
 funding: http://www.draketo.de/english/freenet/news-of-the-day )

>   2. Censored content is made available within a reasonable time.

Just ask someone to run

copyweb -d  ; freesitemgr add 

Or integrate that functionality into a program. You might want to use
beautifulsoup to clean up the code for the Freenet content filter, i.e.:
http://127.0.0.1:/freenet:USK@0iU87PXyodL2nm6kCpmYntsteViIbMwlJE~wlqIVvZ0,nenxGvjXDElX5RIZxMvwSnOtRzUKJYjoXEDgkhY6Ljw,AQACAAE/freenetproject-mirror/491/update.sh?type=text/plain

>   3. Access to censored dynamic content (i.e. web apps) is possible.

That’s a hard one. You’d need to remodel the web apps to use Freenet as
backend instead of the clearnet.

I do not think that it is possible at all to provide anything which uses
Javascript and at the same time preserve the anonymity of your users.

>   4. The system benefits from the user's participation, and is resistant
>  to participants dropping off and to rogue nodes in the hands of the
>  censor.

Resilient yes, for absolute resistance, you need to replicate
everything, which limits the amount of data you can provide.

>   5. Users of the system are anonymous to someone observing their
>  traffic, even if that someone is a participant in the system.

Jepp. A weak yes for automatic connections, a strong yes, if they
connect to people they know.

>   6. Users' devices don't reveal the content that they or other users
>  have accessed.

Jepp (as long as you use a separate browser in incognito mode).

>   7. The system is amenable to privacy-preserving analytics to check its
>  impact.

Jepp.

i.e. http://asksteved.com/stats/ — though it’s currently in sleep mode,
there’s a new site for that in Freenet: 
http://127.0.0.1:/USK@2zwBwyJeZnkbqH0N7WZXp6BQqR1Ys85rkthOFvfXOts,HIouq2elJyNt9VIsFfYbYmtvinOEeeY3LAAKVUqiSXo,AQACAAE/YAFS/175/

> We know that we'll probably need a combination of several tools to
> achieve these properties, so we're not looking for a silver bullet but
> rather some advice and suggestions from you that may help us move in the
> right direction.  We will be dedicating at least 2 years solid
> development to a chosen infrastructure design and hope to contribute to
> existing models, as part of our (likely hybrid) appraoch to the
> eventuating infrastructure.

Nice!

Best wishes,
Arne

PS: I’m only a few more hours away from being able to do proper Freenet
releases, so we can finally deploy improvements to the freenet core
again.
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Re: [freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

[Robert John Morton]

Dear CENO team:

An extremely worth-while and timely project. I wish you well.

I think that the deliberate exclusion of sites from popular search 
engine listings is one of the worst forms of censorship on the Web. 
Perhaps the only way to combat this is to create a search engine that 
has no commercial or political motives behind it: an "open source" 
search engine if you like. But it would have to be made popular and 
that's the difficult part.


More determined censoring, I suppose, is where a particular government 
blocks content at specific IP addresses from entering its jurisdiction. 
I imagine that a set of obscured relays could manage this by making 
censored content available via unblocked addresses. This could, however, 
end up as a cat and mouse chase in which the content consumer would have 
to be able to hop quickly to ever-changing unblocked IP addresses.


Many difficult problems but well worth overcoming.

Robert John Morton
Belo Horizonte-MG, Brasil
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[freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

[Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer]

Dear Freenet team,

At eQualit.ie we're beginning a project to develop a new Free/Open
Source censorship circumvention system based around the idea of our
original [CeNo project](https://github.com/equalitie/ceno), a system
which uses the Freenet P2P platform to retrieve web content and make it
safely available under censorship conditions.  We're keen to evaluate
existing options, projects, technologies and approaches so we're
conducting something of a literature review.

With this purpose, we're reaching out to people involved in similar or
related projects.  We'd love to hear what you think is the current state
of the art in this area, and particularly about technologies you'd
describe as trustworthy, reliable and established.  In particular, we're
looking for tools that have one or more of the following properties:

  1. Content is available under censorship conditions, ideally even
 after connection to the Internet has been completely cut for a
 whole region.
  2. Censored content is made available within a reasonable time.
  3. Access to censored dynamic content (i.e. web apps) is possible.
  4. The system benefits from the user's participation, and is resistant
 to participants dropping off and to rogue nodes in the hands of the
 censor.
  5. Users of the system are anonymous to someone observing their
 traffic, even if that someone is a participant in the system.
  6. Users' devices don't reveal the content that they or other users
 have accessed.
  7. The system is amenable to privacy-preserving analytics to check its
 impact.

We know that we'll probably need a combination of several tools to
achieve these properties, so we're not looking for a silver bullet but
rather some advice and suggestions from you that may help us move in the
right direction.  We will be dedicating at least 2 years solid
development to a chosen infrastructure design and hope to contribute to
existing models, as part of our (likely hybrid) appraoch to the
eventuating infrastructure.

By the way, part of the team will be at the upcoming
[Internet Freedom Festival](https://internetfreedomfestival.org/) in
Valencia (6-10 March).  If you plan to be there we'd love to chat with
you face to face.`:)`

Thank you very much for your help!

CENO team 

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[freenet-support] отправить

[algis kaustakas]

пожалуйста, отправьте мне список
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[freenet-support] fproxy.port seems to be missing

[Richard Wood]

 I had to reset windows 10 due to a major issue. All my apps and installed 
programs are as they were except for freenet.
when I try to open freenet I get the message "The configuration file 
'freenet.ini' does not contain a value for 'fproxy.port'.
I have tried to reinstall freenet, updated to the latest version and searched 
the program folder (in users/appdata...) for the missingitem and cannot find 
it. Does anybody know what is goin on and how to fix it?
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Re: [freenet-support] Freeenet: Help to create testbed to setup private freenet network

[xor]

CCing to the development mailing list as scientific work deserves to be there.
Perhaps sign up for that list as well to ensure you get all mails, and 
afterwards check the web archive for any you might have missed.

On Saturday, January 07, 2017 10:07:44 AM Srikanta Pradhan wrote:
> Hello Freenet,
> 
> I am Srikanta Pradhan, doing PhD at Indian Institute of Technology Patna
> [An university at India] on security analysis of decentralized P2P system.
> I am studying the freenet and its behavior. I have used the simulator in
> our research lab for this purpose. As we are not allowed to use any P2P
> software/website in our university.
> 
> Yesterday I came to know from the IRC chat #freenet that a testbed can be
> possible. We have several machines here, where I want to install FREENET
> for research purpose and verify their behavior in different conditions as
> simulated. I need to create a live FREENET netwrok, a private one [not
> connected to any other netwrok/internet] and modify them and observe their
> patterns.
> 
> But I have not found any materials and also the source code of FREENET.
> Can you kindly help me here to create a testbed i.e. to get the source
> code of it, the materials for installing as privately, how to make changes
> at different layers of it.
> 
> This will be a very great for me.
> 
> With Regards
> 
> Srikanta Pradhan
> Research Scholar
> Department of Computer Science and Engineering
> Indian Institute of Technology Patna,India. [www.iitp.ac.in]

Thanks for your interest in this!
It seems you were already pointed to the code on GitHub, so here's something 
about the aspect of simulations:

Luckily, Matthew Toseland aka toad has recently done very much simulation work 
as his dissertation, so you have a scientific paper to get started with!

It is linked in the pull request with his simulator improvements:
https://github.com/freenet/fred/pull/576

It may take a while until this is merged since it's lots of work to review and 
we don't have very many reviewers. Matthew currently doesn't have much time to 
contribute to Freenet as well so:
- Help with spotting bugs would be encouraged :)
- It seems nobody has actually read his paper yet to e.g. find potential 
improvements to Freenet. So if you run into any of those, it would be good to 
start a discussion about them here; or even file a pull request against the 
code itself to fix them.

I've put Matthew CC on so he notices this.

Please keep us up to date, for example post your paper to the development 
mailing list once it is done, and report any security issues you encounter.

And finally: Most of our daily discussion happens on IRC. If you want to 
permanently join development, I would recommend setting up a bouncer in our 
channel and reporting about your progress every once in a while. It may take 
people some hours to answer, but they will do so usually :)

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Re: [freenet-support] Password protect the console?

[Thomas Wuensche]

If the interface is bound only to localhost you can make an ssh forward 
of the relevant port (with the -L option) to a local port on your other 
machine on Linux systems.


Am 30.01.2017 um 19:34 schrieb Steve Dougherty:

That isn't implemented, no. If other people have accounts on the system
they will be able to access it. (By default Freenet's web interface only
binds to localhost.)


On Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 8:59 AM neuman > wrote:

I see there is an option to password protect the downloads,  but is
there an option to password protect the console?   I have it running on
a headless pi system and would like to prevent anyone else from
accessing it.   Can I protect the console?
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Re: [freenet-support] Password protect the console?

[Steve Dougherty]

That isn't implemented, no. If other people have accounts on the system
they will be able to access it. (By default Freenet's web interface only
binds to localhost.)

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 8:59 AM neuman  wrote:

> I see there is an option to password protect the downloads,  but is
> there an option to password protect the console?   I have it running on
> a headless pi system and would like to prevent anyone else from
> accessing it.   Can I protect the console?
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[freenet-support] Password protect the console?

[neuman]

I see there is an option to password protect the downloads,  but is 
there an option to password protect the console?   I have it running on 
a headless pi system and would like to prevent anyone else from 
accessing it.   Can I protect the console?

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Re: [freenet-support] Newbie questions

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Amuza  writes:

> On 22/01/17 19:01, Steve Dougherty wrote:
>> On 01/22/2017 12:27 PM, Amuza wrote:
>>> Does Freenet have any kind of real asynchronous messaging?
>> Yes, and it depends what you mean.
>
> I mean, something like this:
> Alice is online and sends a message which has Caroline (her Freenet
> friend) as the recipient, but Caroline is offline. Fortunately Barbara
> (who is a common Freenet friend of both Alice and Caroline) is online.
> Then Alice goes offline. Then Caroline goes online and receives Alice's
> message. Barbara (or other common online Freenet friend) automatically
> forwarded the message without being able to read it.

If you use freemail (email over Freenet), then yes: The data is uploaded
in encrypted form into Freenet and only Caroline can decrypt it. Barbara
does not even need to be a direct friend of the two: It can be any other
freenet node.

This is the generalized case of what you describe and powers most of the
pseudonymous communication in Freenet.

>>> If so, how does it work?
>> Darknet peers can send direct messages by clicking on the peer's name on
>> the friends page. If the peers are not both online and connected the
>> message will be deferred until they are. The user interface for this is
>> very poor but it does function.
>>
>> Otherwise, messaging tools like FLIP, Freemail, or Sone can do that.
>> [1][2][3] They work by inserting and fetching the messages as files.
>>
>
> I guess some of those three messaging tools do somehow the kind of
> asynchronous messaging I meant. Do they?

Freemail does the private communication.
Sone does Social-network-style communication with pseudonyms.
FLIP implements chat with an IRC interface.

> It does! Great explanations! As soon as I have a while I will try Freenet.
>
> Let me ask another one, this one is more difficult:
>
> In the case you, or anyone in this list, know a bit about other
> more-or-less similar decentralized tools like Retroshare, Zeronet, Tox,
> IPFS, etc, could you very briefly compare them to Freenet and easily say
> some advantage or disadvantage of some of those tools over Freenet?

For zeronet there’s an answer by Chris Double. Scroll down to Conclusion
for a comparison:
https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2015/01/15/decentralized-websites-with-zeronet.html

A note on IPFS and Freenet is available in his article about hosting
websites in Freenet (though mainly focused on hosting with Freenet):
https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2015/09/14/using-freenet-for-static-websites.html

For a comparison of Freenet with several other tools, see
http://www.draketo.de/proj/freenet-funding/#sec-9

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Today's Topics: 

1. Headless install on Pi3. (neuman) 
2. Re: Headless install on Pi3. (Freenet) 
3. Re: Headless install on Pi3. (Stephen Mollett) 
4. Re: Newbie questions (Steve Dougherty) 


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Message: 1 
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 07:55:45 -0500 
From: neuman <neuman1...@gmail.com> 
To: support@freenetproject.org 
Subject: [freenet-support] Headless install on Pi3. 
Message-ID: <a63f35d7-2366-05f8-4bec-4a8f00e60...@gmail.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed 

I installed freenet on a raspberry pi3 and for all I can see in the 
wrapper its working fine, but I can't seem to be able to figure out how 
to access the web console from my main computer. 

Im following the directions here: 
https://freenetproject.org/help.html#fproxy-lan 

I've modified the following lines in my freenet.ini based on the 
directions and a few other pages I've found on google. 

fproxy.allowedHosts=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 
fproxy.bindTo=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 
fproxy.allowedHostsFullAccess=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 


pi3 address is 192.168.1.130 and my main computer is 192.168.1.101 


In my wrapper.log I found the two following errors: 

Unable to bind to address 192.168.1.101 for port  
Could not bind to some of the interfaces specified for port  : 
[192.168.1.101] 


Any suggestions? 


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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 13:24:00 + 
From: Freenet <free...@nullvoid.me> 
To: support@freenetproject.org 
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Headless install on Pi3. 
Message-ID: <69f3e4b2-ec34-4023-014c-9fb9dbe1f...@nullvoid.me> 
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Change the fproxy.bindTo= to 192.168.1.130 instead of 192.168.1.101 

neuman: 
> I installed freenet on a raspberry pi3 and for all I can see in the 
> wrapper its working fine, but I can't seem to be able to figure out how 
> to access the web console from my main computer. 
> 
> Im following the directions here: 
> https://freenetproject.org/help.html#fproxy-lan 
> 
> I've modified the following lines in my freenet.ini based on the 
> directions and a few other pages I've found on google. 
> 
> fproxy.allowedHosts=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 
> fproxy.bindTo=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 
> fproxy.allowedHostsFullAccess=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 
> 
> 
> pi3 address is 192.168.1.130 and my main computer is 192.168.1.101 
> 
> 
> In my wrapper.log I found the two following errors: 
> 
> Unable to bind to address 192.168.1.101 for port  
> Could not bind to some of the interfaces specified for port  : 
> [192.168.1.101] 
> 
> 
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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 13:50:37 + 
From: Stephen Mollett <molle...@yahoo.com> 
To: support@freenetproject.org 
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Headless install on Pi3. 
Message-ID: <b5359b83-795d-869c-ece7-464e78767...@yahoo.com> 
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Hi, 

On 23/01/17 12:55, neuman wrote: 
> I've modified the following lines in my freenet.ini ... 
> fproxy.allowedHosts=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 
> fproxy.bindTo=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 
> fproxy.allowedHostsFullAccess=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 
> 
> pi3 address is 192.168.1.130 and my main computer is 192.168.1.101 

You need to put 192.168.1.130 in the fproxy.bindTo line instead of 
192.168.1.101. That line governs what addresses the proxy accepts 
connections through; the others govern where the connections can come 
from (so they're correct in listing your main computer's address). 

Hope this helps, 
Stephen 


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Message: 4 
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 14:20:51 + 
From: Steve Dougherty <st...@asksteved.com> 
To: support@freenetproject.org 
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Newbie questions 
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Re: [freenet-support] Newbie questions

[Steve Dougherty]

The Tor comparison is easiest to answer because there's a FAQ entry:
https://freenetproject.org/help.html#tor

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017, 6:14 AM Amuza  wrote:

>
>
> On 22/01/17 19:01, Steve Dougherty wrote:
>
> On 01/22/2017 12:27 PM, Amuza wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I have never tried Freenet but I already have some questions:
>
> How do nodes discover each other?
>
> In opennet mode ("normal" or "low" network security) they connect to
> seed nodes (a list of which is included with the software) run by
> volunteers which provide them with an initial set of possible
> connections, and during normal operation performs path folding to
> maintain and improve its connections. [0]
>
> When not in opennet mode (and therefore in "darknet mode;" if both modes
> are in use it's "hybrid") connections must be manually and mutually added.
>
>
> Can nodes within a LAN connect to each other without any special
> configuration?
>
> It depends on what you mean by special configuration. It does require
> that the nodes' operators add one another as "friends" by trading node
> references, but this is intended as routine configuration.
>
>
> Do they need Internet access?
>
> No, but note that a completely isolated darknet would have no way to
> access the content available through the public opennet network. This
> includes updates to the software. As long as one member of the darknet
> is also connected to opennet this will not be the case. (Though
> performance will be slow.)
>
>
> Would nodes keep automatically connecting when they are in a LAN where
> some days there is no Internet access?
>
> Yes.
>
>
> Does Freenet have any kind of real asynchronous messaging?
>
> Yes, and it depends what you mean.
>
>
> I mean, something like this:
> Alice is online and sends a message which has Caroline (her Freenet
> friend) as the recipient, but Caroline is offline. Fortunately Barbara (who
> is a common Freenet friend of both Alice and Caroline) is online. Then
> Alice goes offline. Then Caroline goes online and receives Alice's message.
> Barbara (or other common online Freenet friend) automatically forwarded the
> message without being able to read it.
>
> If so, how does it work?
>
> Darknet peers can send direct messages by clicking on the peer's name on
> the friends page. If the peers are not both online and connected the
> message will be deferred until they are. The user interface for this is
> very poor but it does function.
>
> Otherwise, messaging tools like FLIP, Freemail, or Sone can do that.
> [1][2][3] They work by inserting and fetching the messages as files.
>
>
>
> I guess some of those three messaging tools do somehow the kind of
> asynchronous messaging I meant. Do they?
>
> Thank you!!
>
> Yep. :) Hope this helps.
>
> - Steve
>
>
>
> It does! Great explanations! As soon as I have a while I will try Freenet.
>
> Let me ask another one, this one is more difficult:
>
> In the case you, or anyone in this list, know a bit about other
> more-or-less similar decentralized tools like Retroshare, Zeronet, Tox,
> IPFS, etc, could you very briefly compare them to Freenet and easily say
> some advantage or disadvantage of some of those tools over Freenet?
>
> Thanks again.
>
> [0] https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Opennet
> [1]
> USK@pGQPA-9PcFiE3A2tCuCjacK165UaX07AQYw98iDQrNA,8gwQ67ytBNR03hNj7JU~ceeew22HVq6G50dcEeMcgks,AQACAAE/flip/12/
> [2] http://freesocial.draketo.de/freemail_en.html
> [3]
> USK@nwa8lHa271k2QvJ8aa0Ov7IHAV-DFOCFgmDt3X6BpCI,DuQSUZiI~agF8c-6tjsFFGuZ8eICrzWCILB60nT8KKo,AQACAAE/sone/75/
>
>
>
>
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Re: [freenet-support] Headless install on Pi3.

[Stephen Mollett]

Hi,

On 23/01/17 12:55, neuman wrote:
> I've modified the following lines in my freenet.ini ...
> fproxy.allowedHosts=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1
> fproxy.bindTo=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1
> fproxy.allowedHostsFullAccess=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1
> 
> pi3 address is 192.168.1.130  and my main computer is 192.168.1.101

You need to put 192.168.1.130 in the fproxy.bindTo line instead of
192.168.1.101. That line governs what addresses the proxy accepts
connections through; the others govern where the connections can come
from (so they're correct in listing your main computer's address).

Hope this helps,
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Re: [freenet-support] Headless install on Pi3.

[Freenet]

Change the fproxy.bindTo= to 192.168.1.130 instead of 192.168.1.101

neuman:
> I installed freenet on a raspberry pi3 and for all I can see in the
> wrapper its working fine,  but I can't seem to be able to figure out how
> to access the web console from my main computer.
> 
> Im following the directions here:
> https://freenetproject.org/help.html#fproxy-lan
> 
> I've modified the following lines in my freenet.ini based on the
> directions and a few other pages I've found on google.
> 
> fproxy.allowedHosts=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1
> fproxy.bindTo=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1
> fproxy.allowedHostsFullAccess=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1
> 
> 
> pi3 address is 192.168.1.130  and my main computer is 192.168.1.101
> 
> 
> In my wrapper.log I found the two following errors:
> 
> Unable to bind to address 192.168.1.101 for port 
> Could not bind to some of the interfaces specified for port  :
> [192.168.1.101]
> 
> 
> Any suggestions?
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[freenet-support] Headless install on Pi3.

[neuman]

I installed freenet on a raspberry pi3 and for all I can see in the 
wrapper its working fine,  but I can't seem to be able to figure out how 
to access the web console from my main computer.


Im following the directions here: 
https://freenetproject.org/help.html#fproxy-lan


I've modified the following lines in my freenet.ini based on the 
directions and a few other pages I've found on google.


fproxy.allowedHosts=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1
fproxy.bindTo=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1
fproxy.allowedHostsFullAccess=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1


pi3 address is 192.168.1.130  and my main computer is 192.168.1.101


In my wrapper.log I found the two following errors:

Unable to bind to address 192.168.1.101 for port 
Could not bind to some of the interfaces specified for port  : 
[192.168.1.101]



Any suggestions?
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Re: [freenet-support] Newbie questions

[Amuza]

On 22/01/17 19:01, Steve Dougherty wrote:
> On 01/22/2017 12:27 PM, Amuza wrote:
>> Hello!
>>
>> I have never tried Freenet but I already have some questions:
>>
>> How do nodes discover each other?
> In opennet mode ("normal" or "low" network security) they connect to
> seed nodes (a list of which is included with the software) run by
> volunteers which provide them with an initial set of possible
> connections, and during normal operation performs path folding to
> maintain and improve its connections. [0]
>
> When not in opennet mode (and therefore in "darknet mode;" if both modes
> are in use it's "hybrid") connections must be manually and mutually added.
>
>> Can nodes within a LAN connect to each other without any special
>> configuration?
> It depends on what you mean by special configuration. It does require
> that the nodes' operators add one another as "friends" by trading node
> references, but this is intended as routine configuration.
>
>> Do they need Internet access?
> No, but note that a completely isolated darknet would have no way to
> access the content available through the public opennet network. This
> includes updates to the software. As long as one member of the darknet
> is also connected to opennet this will not be the case. (Though
> performance will be slow.)
>
>> Would nodes keep automatically connecting when they are in a LAN where
>> some days there is no Internet access?
> Yes.
>
>> Does Freenet have any kind of real asynchronous messaging?
> Yes, and it depends what you mean.

I mean, something like this:
Alice is online and sends a message which has Caroline (her Freenet
friend) as the recipient, but Caroline is offline. Fortunately Barbara
(who is a common Freenet friend of both Alice and Caroline) is online.
Then Alice goes offline. Then Caroline goes online and receives Alice's
message. Barbara (or other common online Freenet friend) automatically
forwarded the message without being able to read it.
>
>> If so, how does it work?
> Darknet peers can send direct messages by clicking on the peer's name on
> the friends page. If the peers are not both online and connected the
> message will be deferred until they are. The user interface for this is
> very poor but it does function.
>
> Otherwise, messaging tools like FLIP, Freemail, or Sone can do that.
> [1][2][3] They work by inserting and fetching the messages as files.
>

I guess some of those three messaging tools do somehow the kind of
asynchronous messaging I meant. Do they?
>> Thank you!!
> Yep. :) Hope this helps.
>
> - Steve


It does! Great explanations! As soon as I have a while I will try Freenet.

Let me ask another one, this one is more difficult:

In the case you, or anyone in this list, know a bit about other
more-or-less similar decentralized tools like Retroshare, Zeronet, Tox,
IPFS, etc, could you very briefly compare them to Freenet and easily say
some advantage or disadvantage of some of those tools over Freenet?

Thanks again.

> [0] https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Opennet
> [1]
> USK@pGQPA-9PcFiE3A2tCuCjacK165UaX07AQYw98iDQrNA,8gwQ67ytBNR03hNj7JU~ceeew22HVq6G50dcEeMcgks,AQACAAE/flip/12/
> [2] http://freesocial.draketo.de/freemail_en.html
> [3]
> USK@nwa8lHa271k2QvJ8aa0Ov7IHAV-DFOCFgmDt3X6BpCI,DuQSUZiI~agF8c-6tjsFFGuZ8eICrzWCILB60nT8KKo,AQACAAE/sone/75/
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Re: [freenet-support] Newbie questions

[Steve Dougherty]

On 01/22/2017 12:27 PM, Amuza wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I have never tried Freenet but I already have some questions:
> 
> How do nodes discover each other?

In opennet mode ("normal" or "low" network security) they connect to
seed nodes (a list of which is included with the software) run by
volunteers which provide them with an initial set of possible
connections, and during normal operation performs path folding to
maintain and improve its connections. [0]

When not in opennet mode (and therefore in "darknet mode;" if both modes
are in use it's "hybrid") connections must be manually and mutually added.

> Can nodes within a LAN connect to each other without any special
> configuration?

It depends on what you mean by special configuration. It does require
that the nodes' operators add one another as "friends" by trading node
references, but this is intended as routine configuration.

> Do they need Internet access?

No, but note that a completely isolated darknet would have no way to
access the content available through the public opennet network. This
includes updates to the software. As long as one member of the darknet
is also connected to opennet this will not be the case. (Though
performance will be slow.)

> Would nodes keep automatically connecting when they are in a LAN where
> some days there is no Internet access?

Yes.

> Does Freenet have any kind of real asynchronous messaging?

Yes, and it depends what you mean.

> If so, how does it work?

Darknet peers can send direct messages by clicking on the peer's name on
the friends page. If the peers are not both online and connected the
message will be deferred until they are. The user interface for this is
very poor but it does function.

Otherwise, messaging tools like FLIP, Freemail, or Sone can do that.
[1][2][3] They work by inserting and fetching the messages as files.

> Thank you!!

Yep. :) Hope this helps.

- Steve

[0] https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Opennet
[1]
USK@pGQPA-9PcFiE3A2tCuCjacK165UaX07AQYw98iDQrNA,8gwQ67ytBNR03hNj7JU~ceeew22HVq6G50dcEeMcgks,AQACAAE/flip/12/
[2] http://freesocial.draketo.de/freemail_en.html
[3]
USK@nwa8lHa271k2QvJ8aa0Ov7IHAV-DFOCFgmDt3X6BpCI,DuQSUZiI~agF8c-6tjsFFGuZ8eICrzWCILB60nT8KKo,AQACAAE/sone/75/



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[freenet-support] Newbie questions

[Amuza]

Hello!

I have never tried Freenet but I already have some questions:

How do nodes discover each other?
Can nodes within a LAN connect to each other without any special
configuration?
Do they need Internet access?
Would nodes keep automatically connecting when they are in a LAN where
some days there is no Internet access?

Does Freenet have any kind of real asynchronous messaging?
If so, how does it work?

Thank you!!
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Re: [freenet-support] User Quarry

[Freenet]

On the FMS forum there are some attempts at getting it to compile, some
users have reported limited success. Most end up running it in darknet
mode with a few peers.

Warning, it is CPU heavy and will kill your battery life, and SDcard
wear is a issue.

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> Hi there, is there any plans for making a Android version of the freenet 
> client? Or is there any unofficial active project?
> 
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[freenet-support] Freeenet: Help to create testbed to setup private freenet network

[Srikanta Pradhan]

Hello Freenet,

I am Srikanta Pradhan, doing PhD at Indian Institute of Technology Patna
[An university at India] on security analysis of decentralized P2P system.
I am studying the freenet and its behavior. I have used the simulator in
our research lab for this purpose. As we are not allowed to use any P2P
software/website in our university.

Yesterday I came to know from the IRC chat #freenet that a testbed can be
possible. We have several machines here, where I want to install FREENET
for research purpose and verify their behavior in different conditions as
simulated. I need to create a live FREENET netwrok, a private one [not
connected to any other netwrok/internet] and modify them and observe their
patterns.

But I have not found any materials and also the source code of FREENET.
Can you kindly help me here to create a testbed i.e. to get the source
code of it, the materials for installing as privately, how to make changes
at different layers of it.

This will be a very great for me.

With Regards

Srikanta Pradhan
Research Scholar
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
Indian Institute of Technology Patna,India. [www.iitp.ac.in]
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[freenet-support] User Quarry

[indrajit360]

Hi there, is there any plans for making a Android version of the freenet 
client? Or is there any unofficial active project?

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Re: [freenet-support] Question

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Czery Swizier writes:
> Anyone can store anything onto the network.
> You do not know what is stored on your particular node since the data is
> encrypted and distributed.

And just as important: Files are encrypted and then split into small
chunks of 32KiB. These chunks cannot be decrypted by themselves. You
need the key for the file (which conveniently is just the link used to
access them).

So what’s on your disk are just small chunks of white noise which are
totally useless without the key. They cannot even be correlated to a
specific link without having the link in the first place.

Essentially your computer acts as part of a distributed caching proxy
server which cannot know what it caches. That’s how "the cloud" *should*
work (but typically does not).

Best wishes,
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Re: [freenet-support] Question

[Czery Swizier]

Anyone can store anything onto the network.
You do not know what is stored on your particular node since the data is
encrypted and distributed.
The entire goal of freenet is to provide storage such that
 - you don't know who inserted files
- you don't know where the files are kept
- if you access a node, you cannot actually discover what files the node is
storing

This gives the ability to deny any wrongdoing!
This is much like how tor relay operators (NOT exit operators) can deny any
responsibility for the content that passes through their nodes.

In regards to your IP address question, people can see your IP since you
need it to connect to *other people* in an opennet at least..
If you don't want strangers to know your IP, you can choose darknet mode
which will only connect you to people you already trust.
If you are using an opennet, people will be able to tell you are using
freenet but as long as you are careful, no one can trace data to and from
you.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Kevin S.  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Im interested in using Freenet, but I have 2 questions.
>
> "Users contribute to the network by giving bandwidth and a portion of
> their hard drive (called the "data store") for storing files. Files are
> automatically kept or deleted depending on how popular they are"
>
> Can you elaborate on this? Does that mean someone can store whatever they
> want on my HDD? How do I know its not something illegal?
>
> Also, when using freenet, how do I know others cant see my real IP? Can
> you describe?
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[freenet-support] Question

[Kevin S.]

Hello,

Im interested in using Freenet, but I have 2 questions.

"Users contribute to the network by giving bandwidth and a portion of their
hard drive (called the "data store") for storing files. Files are
automatically kept or deleted depending on how popular they are"

Can you elaborate on this? Does that mean someone can store whatever they
want on my HDD? How do I know its not something illegal?

Also, when using freenet, how do I know others cant see my real IP? Can you
describe?

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet and ISP info

[Freenet]

Freenet does not use the normal internet, you can find Freenet content
at http://127.0.0.1:/

Anything you visit or do over the normal internet has no interaction
with Freenet and as such it will not change or hide your IP, or browsing
habits.

Tech Planet:
> Hi,
> I currently have downloaded freenet, my security settings are normal. 
> 
> In the firefox browser I search myip
> It shows the name of my ISP, OS and location, the location is about 40 miles 
> away from my exact location.
> Im wondering am I still secure? Im I doing something wrong? Is this normal to 
> show my ISP and so forth
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[freenet-support] REMOVE FREENET

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[freenet-support] Freenet and ISP info

[Tech Planet]

Hi,
I currently have downloaded freenet, my security settings are normal. 

In the firefox browser I search myip
It shows the name of my ISP, OS and location, the location is about 40 miles 
away from my exact location.
Im wondering am I still secure? Im I doing something wrong? Is this normal to 
show my ISP and so forth
Please advise, Thanks
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet node on FreeBSD

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Ann O'Nymous writes:

> Serp2006:
>> Spam detection software, running on the system "freenetproject.org",
>> has identified this incoming email as possible spam.  The original
>> message has been attached to this so you can view it or label
>> similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
>> the administrator of that system for details.
>> 
>> Content preview:  Hello everyone, can someone help me with better 
>> understanding
>>of setup of the node in the freebsd environment? I have a Nas4Free 
>> installed
>>on my home server, with ability to create jails. I looked through wiki, 
>> but
>>part related to the headless freebsd installation not very detailed. 
>> Appreciate
>>any help/ more detailed guide. Thanks in advance! [...] 
>
> That's a rather rude way to handle a question! And hating on Protonmail?

This was an automated email, so no one wanted to be rude. Spam is a
reality and spam filters sometimes get the wrong message. That’s not 
intentional.

To get support, please tell us what doesn’t work.

For a headless install try

java -jar new_installer_offline.jar -console

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet node on FreeBSD

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Serp2006:
> Spam detection software, running on the system "freenetproject.org",
> has identified this incoming email as possible spam.  The original
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> 
> Content preview:  Hello everyone, can someone help me with better 
> understanding
>of setup of the node in the freebsd environment? I have a Nas4Free 
> installed
>on my home server, with ability to create jails. I looked through wiki, but
>part related to the headless freebsd installation not very detailed. 
> Appreciate
>any help/ more detailed guide. Thanks in advance! [...] 

That's a rather rude way to handle a question! And hating on Protonmail?

> Content analysis details:   (5.7 points, 5.0 required)
> 
>  pts rule name  description
>  -- --
>  2.0 FREENET_FROM_BACKUPMX  Received from the backup-MX server
>  0.2 FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT Reply-To freemail username ends in digit
> (serp2006[at]protonmail.com)
> (serp2006[at]protonmail.com)
>  0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM  Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail 
> provider
> (serp2006[at]protonmail.com)
> (serp2006[at]protonmail.com)
>  0.8 BAYES_50   BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60%
> [score: 0.5596]
>  0.0 HTML_MESSAGE   BODY: HTML included in message
> -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU  Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from 
> author's
> domain
> -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK 
> signature
>  0.1 DKIM_SIGNEDMessage has a DKIM or DK signature, not 
> necessarily valid
>  0.8 RDNS_NONE  Delivered to internal network by a host with no 
> rDNS
>  2.0 FREENET_LOC_SHORT  Contains short body and URI
> 
> The original message was not completely plain text, and may be unsafe to
> open with some email clients; in particular, it may contain a virus,
> or confirm that your address can receive spam.  If you wish to view
> it, it may be safer to save it to a file and open it with an editor.
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[freenet-support] Freenet node on FreeBSD

[Serp2006]

Spam detection software, running on the system "freenetproject.org",
has identified this incoming email as possible spam.  The original
message has been attached to this so you can view it or label
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the administrator of that system for details.

Content preview:  Hello everyone, can someone help me with better understanding
   of setup of the node in the freebsd environment? I have a Nas4Free installed
   on my home server, with ability to create jails. I looked through wiki, but
   part related to the headless freebsd installation not very detailed. 
Appreciate
   any help/ more detailed guide. Thanks in advance! [...] 

Content analysis details:   (5.7 points, 5.0 required)

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(serp2006[at]protonmail.com)
(serp2006[at]protonmail.com)
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provider
(serp2006[at]protonmail.com)
(serp2006[at]protonmail.com)
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[score: 0.5596]
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author's
domain
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valid
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The original message was not completely plain text, and may be unsafe to
open with some email clients; in particular, it may contain a virus,
or confirm that your address can receive spam.  If you wish to view
it, it may be safer to save it to a file and open it with an editor.

--- Begin Message ---
Hello everyone,
can someone help me with better understanding of setup of the node in the 
freebsd environment?
I have a Nas4Free installed on my home server, with ability to create jails.
I looked through wiki, but part related to the headless freebsd installation 
not very detailed.
Appreciate any help/ more detailed guide.
Thanks in advance!


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Re: [freenet-support] Access to Dark net

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Dear Karen,

If I understand your question correctly, you want to access parts of the
web you cannot access without Freenet.

To access those parts, just run Freenet and direct your browser to
http://127.0.0.1:

At that address Freenet provides you a local webserver which gives you
access to the part of the dark web which is served by Freenet.

Best wishes,
Arne

Karen Lajoie writes:

> Hello - I downloaded your Freenet with Java software as it said on your 
> website that you could access the dark web in order to surf anonymously. I 
> followed the directions to set everything up but it only allows me to browse 
> on Safari, Explorer etc…., it gives no direction on how to access the dark 
> net. Could you provide some direction on how I use your product to get to the 
> dark web?
>
> Thank you
> Karen
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[freenet-support] Access to Dark net

[Karen Lajoie]

Hello - I downloaded your Freenet with Java software as it said on your website 
that you could access the dark web in order to surf anonymously. I followed the 
directions to set everything up but it only allows me to browse on Safari, 
Explorer etc…., it gives no direction on how to access the dark net. Could you 
provide some direction on how I use your product to get to the dark web?

Thank you
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Re: [freenet-support] inquiry

[Steve Dougherty]

Could you give more details about the message you received? Is it the
Windows installer you want?
https://github.com/freenet/fred/releases/download/build01475/FreenetInstaller-1475.exe

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016, 8:55 PM John Custer 
wrote:

> I wanna download freenet but from their webpage the download said,
> corrupted, and was instantly deleted.  Can you send me a download link.
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[freenet-support] I have some thouht that you should know.我有些想法，你们可以看看

[gjk hjk]

I am a chinese.But my English is not good.
So you'd better take a chinese human to read the follow message.


目前遇到的bug:
把utf8的html上传到freenet网络里，再下载下来，得到的html显示乱码。

一点建议:
freenet这种网络，是现在大众急需的网络平台。
中国大陆，各种中央化媒体，受到严重打压，以知乎为例，大批文章被删。

人们发表信息，总在躲躲藏藏，大家迫切需要一个不受管制的分布式网络。

关注freenet很久了，前几年还没有中文页面，现在都支持中文了，这种变化，大家看在眼里，都很感激。

但是，如大家所见，或许这个freenet网络本身，已经比较成熟，但是在其他琐碎的细节上，还是有很多未知的问题。比如上面提到的，文件进入freenet网络再出来，编码发生了改变。

我的提议是，
与其做一个大而全的整个系统，从前台gui到后端网络，如果都由你们团队负责，那你们会耽误在琐碎的细节上。倒不如，更加开放，你们重点放在负责提供一个freenet网络核心，置于界面，以及其他琐碎的细节，交给我们大众程序员吧。就像bittorrent那样，只提供网络
，置于界面，提供一个库给全世界就行了。

freenet现在，与其面向终端大众，倒不如面向众多开发者，贡献者。国内小白群体比例太大，需要有我们这样一个中间群体，来实现从你们到中断用户的过渡。

如果不这样，freenet会在计算机意识薄弱的国家里无人问津。中国的文化很落后，不要太高估我们了。

既然是分布式，就把这种思想，贯彻到底吧，把整个宏大的freenet梦想分解成众多分布式的任务，交给全世界的无偿开发者吧，就像linux那样。
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[freenet-support] Are any seednodes reachable via OnionCat?

[Ann O'Nymous]

Are any seednodes reachable via OnionCat? I don't want to share my
node's public IP address. If there aren't any, I'll need to use an
anonymized clearnet gateway. And if there were interest, I could
probably create a seednode that bridged clearnet and OnionCat.
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Re: [freenet-support] Anonymity of browsing without downloading

[Eric Tully]

Durran,

 There are lots of good and legal reasons to use Freenet.  Most
 people assume that tools like Freenet and Tor are for criminals -
 and yes, I have a feeling that there are some criminals who use
 anonymizing tools - but one good example might be computer virus
 researchers.

You want to be a better programmer, you want to study existing viruses,
you want to develop tools to eliminate viruses, and you want to learn to
write software that doesn't contain vulnerabilities in the first place. 
 In the process of researching viruses, you could possibly visit web
sites that try to infect your computer - or they have pop-up ads on
their site that have less than honorable content.  With all of the
javascript, html, and images loaded behind the scenes that you didn't
specifically request - and may never have seen on your screen - you
could end up with cache that contains material that your HR department
could use to fire you or that police could use to put you in jail.

 So... with that much to risk, you don't want to use a commercial
 product that won't let you look under the hood.  Imagine buying
 "Anonymity" software that runs and makes all sorts of promises
 about how you're completely invisible.  Since you can't see the
 source code,  you have NO IDEA whether they're telling the truth or
 not.  And here's the important part:  THEY HAVE EVERY REASON TO
 EXAGGERATE HOW WELL THEIR SOFTWARE WORKS.  They could lie to make
 the sale, sell you the software, and when it turns out to be a lie,
  who goes to jail?  Hint:  Not them.

 But here's the thing:   When you decide to use open source software
 so that you can avoid that trap,  you can't just send out an email
 and say, "Hey, does this stuff really work?"  Because, just like
 the commercial software, you're going to get answers... and if
 those answers turn out to be wrong,  who goes to jail?   Still not
 them.

 No matter whether you're a virus researcher... or a bad guy who
 wants to commit crime anonymously... are you really going to trust
 the word of a complete stranger who you've never met, can't see,
 and who doesn't owe you anything?  If you're REALLY concerned about
 the consequences of getting caught (whether you're a good guy or a
 bad guy),  asking the question "Does this stuff really work?"  is
 completely the wrong way to be safe.   If you're REALLY concerned, 
 there's only one way:   learn to program,  read the code,  learn
 how browsers and operating systems work, study the Freenet source
 code,  and then TEST TEST TEST.   For example,  scan your hard
 drive for a bunch of blue pixels.  If you don't find any, put an
 image with all blue pixels up on Freenet and surf for that image
 using Freenet.  Then hire some forensics guys to search your hard
 drive for blue pixels.  If they find any,  then you KNOW that the
 stuff doesn't work.  If they don't find any, then you're getting
 closer to trusting the software.  Then interview more forensics
 guys and ask them what they know that the first forensics guys
 didn't know.  And have them scan your hard drive.  The more you
 learn, the more confidence you'll have about how to use anonymizing
 tools correctly and how well they work.

 But if you just ask, "Is this stuff any good?" and someone says,
 "It's perfect",  is that really going to make you feel better when
 you get fired or arrested or your girlfriend leaves you?   

 And if you ask, "Is this stuff any good", and someone says, "There
 SHOULD not be anything which can be CLEARLY traced to your usage,
 AS LONG AS you use...",  there are so many qualifications in that
 sentence that it's pretty much not even an answer.  (I mean, good
 for Arne for being clear that he's not 100% certain that it's
 perfect).  When you get an answer like that,  it should be clear to
 you that asking online isn't going to help you when you end up in
 court.  This is one of those times when you can't rely on a free
 answer you get on the Internet,  you need to LEARN and TEST if
 you're actually concerned.

 Of course, if you're just trying to keep your mom from knowing that
 you used the computer to look at boobs,  then maybe that answer is
 good enough.


- Eric





On Sun, Sep 25, 2016, at 06:01 AM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> Dear Durran,
> 
> There should not be anything which can be clearly traced to your usage,
> as long as you use at least "low security" (not None!). Forensic
> analysis might still reveal stuff, however, for example from browsers
> leaking memory into swap or disobeying caching policies even in
> incognito mode, or from not completely deleted files.
> 
> To be more secure, encrypt your disk (then deletions work more
> securely).
> 
> There will be encrypted fragments of many different kinds of files on
> your 

Re: [freenet-support] Anonymity of browsing without downloading

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Dear Durran,

There should not be anything which can be clearly traced to your usage,
as long as you use at least "low security" (not None!). Forensic
analysis might still reveal stuff, however, for example from browsers
leaking memory into swap or disobeying caching policies even in
incognito mode, or from not completely deleted files.

To be more secure, encrypt your disk (then deletions work more
securely).

There will be encrypted fragments of many different kinds of files on
your computer, but these do not need to correspond to files you
requested yourself.

Best wishes,
Arne

Durran Mix writes:

> Spam detection software, running on the system "freenetproject.org",
> has identified this incoming email as possible spam.  The original
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> the administrator of that system for details.
>
> Content preview:  Hello, If I browse freenet sites without downloading any 
> content,
>while using incognito mode, will there be anything incriminating on my 
> computer?
>Also, same scenario but what if i fully delete and uninstall freenet after
>each browsing session? [...] 
>
> Content analysis details:   (5.5 points, 5.0 required)
>
>  pts rule name  description
>  -- --
>  2.0 FREENET_FROM_BACKUPMX  Received from the backup-MX server
>  0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM  Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail 
> provider
> (zep_rocks[at]hotmail.com)
>  0.8 BAYES_50   BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60%
> [score: 0.5502]
>  0.0 HTML_MESSAGE   BODY: HTML included in message
> -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK 
> signature
>  0.1 DKIM_SIGNEDMessage has a DKIM or DK signature, not 
> necessarily valid
> -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU  Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from 
> author's
> domain
>  0.8 RDNS_NONE  Delivered to internal network by a host with no 
> rDNS
>  2.0 FREENET_LOC_SHORT  Contains short body and URI
>
> The original message was not completely plain text, and may be unsafe to
> open with some email clients; in particular, it may contain a virus,
> or confirm that your address can receive spam.  If you wish to view
> it, it may be safer to save it to a file and open it with an editor.
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[freenet-support] Anonymity of browsing without downloading

[Durran Mix]

Spam detection software, running on the system "freenetproject.org",
has identified this incoming email as possible spam.  The original
message has been attached to this so you can view it or label
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Content preview:  Hello, If I browse freenet sites without downloading any 
content,
   while using incognito mode, will there be anything incriminating on my 
computer?
   Also, same scenario but what if i fully delete and uninstall freenet after
   each browsing session? [...] 

Content analysis details:   (5.5 points, 5.0 required)

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 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM  Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail 
provider
(zep_rocks[at]hotmail.com)
 0.8 BAYES_50   BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60%
[score: 0.5502]
 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE   BODY: HTML included in message
-0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature
 0.1 DKIM_SIGNEDMessage has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily 
valid
-0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU  Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from 
author's
domain
 0.8 RDNS_NONE  Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS
 2.0 FREENET_LOC_SHORT  Contains short body and URI

The original message was not completely plain text, and may be unsafe to
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or confirm that your address can receive spam.  If you wish to view
it, it may be safer to save it to a file and open it with an editor.

--- Begin Message ---
Hello,

If I browse freenet sites without downloading any content, while using 
incognito mode, will there be anything incriminating on my computer? Also, same 
scenario but what if i fully delete and uninstall freenet after each browsing 
session?

Get Outlook for Android
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Re: [freenet-support] FREENET Install and NORTON

[xor]

On Saturday, September 17, 2016 06:49:39 PM Ronnie Humphries wrote:
> When I try to download and install Freenet,  Norton terminates the
> installation, and says it's not safe, and then removes it.
> 
> 
> 
> Is it possible it is infected with a virus?   Is there any way to install?

Where did you download it from?

As Freenet is open source, it is entirely possible that a third party uses the 
source code to publish their own version which contains viruses.

Thus it's very important for us to know where you got it from.

Thank you!

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[freenet-support] FREENET Install and NORTON

[Ronnie Humphries]

When I try to download and install Freenet,  Norton terminates the
installation, and says it's not safe, and then removes it. 

 

Is it possible it is infected with a virus?   Is there any way to install?

 

Ron Humphries

ron...@gmail.com

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[freenet-support] (no subject)

[Baul Habib Habib]

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Re: [freenet-support] Please, help.

[Stephen Oliver]

Hi Peter,

There should be an uninstaller in the Freenet installation folder, which should 
be in your home folder unless you installed it somewhere else. Running the 
uninstaller should take care of it for you. 

Alternatively, you can do it manually: make sure Freenet isn’t running, then 
delete the folder where it was installed. 

You may also need to remove the cron entry that starts Freenet when your 
machine boots. To do that, open a terminal and type “crontab -e”, then 
carefully delete any line that refers to Freenet.


> On Sep 2, 2016, at 10:16 PM, um...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> Can you please advise, how to uninstall your \Freenet from my Linux Mint 18 
> Sarah Xfce?
> Thanx in advance for any help.
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet log and what it says

[Stephen Oliver]

Hey Robi,

There are a few potential causes, but I would suspect that your VPN wasn’t 
actually connected the entire time you had Freenet running (this is a common 
issue with VPNs), and during the time when the VPN wasn’t connected, your VPN 
software didn’t block internet traffic, which allowed that traffic to go out 
over your normal internet connection from your real IP address. Some VPN 
software does try to block traffic whenever the VPN connection goes down, so 
that would be something to ask your VPN provider about (or find one that offers 
that feature if yours doesn’t offer it).

The thing that says “you are wide open to your immediate peers” is unrelated, 
it’s simply a warning that you were using Freenet in opennet[1] mode, which 
doesn’t offer as much protection against monitoring as darknet[2] mode.

[1] https://github.com/freenet/wiki/wiki/Opennet-Attacks

[2] https://github.com/freenet/wiki/wiki/Darknet

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 8:46 PM, robi ripper  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I use a paid VPN service and I was SHOCKED when I saw my real IP address 
> posted on my Freenet log. It also stated that " I was wide open to my peers ".
> I contacted my VPN provider and they said that what I am claiming is not 
> possible.
> I sent them a screenshot of the log and they don't appear to know how to 
> address my request.
> 
> Please tell me, how should I address this ? I'm not super 
> proficient(technically speaking) but if you guys have ANY suggestions I'd 
> deeply appreciate it.
> 
> Please respond.
> Thank you.
> Robi
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[freenet-support] Freenet log and what it says

[robi ripper]

Hello,

I use a paid VPN service and I was SHOCKED when I saw my real IP address
posted on my Freenet log. It also stated that "* I was wide open to my
peers *".
I contacted my VPN provider and they said that what I am claiming is not
possible.
I sent them a screenshot of the log and they don't appear to know how to
address my request.

Please tell me, how should I address this ? I'm not super
proficient(technically speaking) but if you guys have *ANY *suggestions I'd
deeply appreciate it.

Please respond.
Thank you.
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[freenet-support] Please, help.

[umim4]

Hello.

Can you please advise, how to uninstall your \Freenet from my Linux Mint 18 
Sarah Xfce?
Thanx in advance for any help.

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[freenet-support] Freenet Connectivity issues

[Kevin Stahr]

To whom it may concern,

It has come to my attention that my freenet node is having issues my
operating system has windows 10 and since I have updated my os to the
current one, I've been having trouble connecting to freenet. I have
downloaded it multiple times and for a day, it worked but after that, it
told me to search for it in a folder even when it existed on my laptop. If
you can take some time to assist me in this issue, it'll be much
appreciated. Thank you.
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Re: [freenet-support] Question regarding legal case

[Freenet]

The files where uploaded to a temporary filehost, they should still be
available on Freenet. Seems the pastie.org is still working for me.

Bryce:
> 
>>These two files may be of assistance [0][1], and I believe the developer
>>volunteer by the name of ArneBab on FMS has posted a correction to the
>>math used by LEA in regards to their black ice project [2]. Maybe try
>>contacting them.
>>
>>[0] Clearnet
>>https://transfer.sh/WWpvv/freenet-investigations-white-paper-black-ice-090413-.pdf
> 
>>[1] Clearnet
>>https://transfer.sh/rzP7z/freenet-investigations-ppt.pdf
>>[2] Clearnet
>>http://pastie.org/private/opjj1qtbbhkbkwif5mjhq
> 
> Curious that the clearnet links are all inaccessable!? at least when I
> tried.
> Except [2] but that page links to a page that needs an account to logon.
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] Question regarding legal case

[Bryce]

>These two files may be of assistance [0][1], and I believe the 
developer

>volunteer by the name of ArneBab on FMS has posted a correction to the
>math used by LEA in regards to their black ice project [2]. Maybe try
>contacting them.
>
>[0] Clearnet
>https://transfer.sh/WWpvv/freenet-investigations-white-paper-black-ice-090413-.pdf
>[1] Clearnet
>https://transfer.sh/rzP7z/freenet-investigations-ppt.pdf
>[2] Clearnet
>http://pastie.org/private/opjj1qtbbhkbkwif5mjhq

Curious that the clearnet links are all inaccessable!? at least when I 
tried.

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Re: [freenet-support] Operating Questions

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Le 11/08/2016 à 11:21 , Keifer Bly a écrit :

Hello, I recently installed Freenet, and I have a few questions.

1. When I start freenet, is it supposed to hide my ip address? When I 
start freenet then go to check my ip using ip-tracker.org 
, it still shows my real, correct IP address.


2. Does freenet encrypt and hide my traffic from my ISP?

3. Does freenet cover every application on my machine, or only the web 
browser window it runs in?


4. Is freenet blockable by my ISP?

Thank you very much.


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After sending my first answer, I read what Bert Massop wrote… 100% correct!

And I will add about 4. that yes, but as he said, it would be very hard… 
A way to obtain this, would be to use Freenet inside a VPN, since a VPN 
hides all your traffic _from your machine__,_ and so, ISP can't know 
what you are doing.


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Re: [freenet-support] Operating Questions

[Bert Massop]

Op 11 aug. 2016 14:07 schreef "Keifer Bly" :
>
> Hello, I recently installed Freenet, and I have a few questions.
>
> 1. When I start freenet, is it supposed to hide my ip address? When I
start freenet then go to check my ip using ip-tracker.org, it still shows
my real, correct IP address.

Freenet allows you to browse content that is available on the
censorship-resistant Freenet network. When used correctly, it even allows
you to remain anonymous while doing so.
Freenet cannot help you to hide your IP when visiting regular internet
websites.

> 2. Does freenet encrypt and hide my traffic from my ISP?

Yes, but only the contents of your Freenet traffic. Freenet does not
influence or hide traffic caused by other applications. If you need that,
you are looking for a VPN service.

> 3. Does freenet cover every application on my machine, or only the web
browser window it runs in?

As you should understand now, Freenet's scope is limited to in-Freenet
content such as Freenet websites (freesites).

> 4. Is freenet blockable by my ISP?

Yes, but it cannot be done easily. Freenet takes reasonable precautions
against being identified and blocked. If you are using Freenet in opennet
mode (connect to strangers) your ISP can block your connections if they are
determined to do so, but it will take considerable efforts. In darknet mode
(connect to friends only), blocking Freenet connections is extremely hard.

Kind regards,
Bert
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[freenet-support] Operating Questions

[Keifer Bly]

Hello, I recently installed Freenet, and I have a few questions.

1. When I start freenet, is it supposed to hide my ip address? When I start
freenet then go to check my ip using ip-tracker.org, it still shows my
real, correct IP address.

2. Does freenet encrypt and hide my traffic from my ISP?

3. Does freenet cover every application on my machine, or only the web
browser window it runs in?

4. Is freenet blockable by my ISP?

Thank you very much.
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[freenet-support] Question regarding legal case

[Lance Hathaway]

Thoughts from a lurker:
I believe that it is important for all of us to resist the use of flawed 
statistics, whether it's used to prosecute the innocent or the guilty.I believe 
that it matters how we gather and use evidence.I believe that it is important 
for the means to justify the end result--the ends cannot be used to justify the 
means.
I know this runs the risk of allowing a guilty person to go free. But our 
justice system is built on the principle that it is better to presume 
innocence, rather than guilt. And there is no guilty person in the world who 
can perfectly and completely cover their tracks. Invariably, one can build up 
enough evidence in other ways to make a case, if one exists.
All of that said... I do not believe that we are obligated to help. Obligation 
is a strong word. Some of us here have the knowledge to try and assist. Some of 
us do not (and I'm in the latter category). There are no employees; nobody is 
being paid; everybody is a volunteer. That means any sense of obligation must 
be left to an individual's sense of morality or code of ethics. Which, yes, 
means that sometimes an invalid warrant may pass unquestioned, if only because 
nobody with the knowledge is available to question it. That's life in a 
volunteer organization.

If I had the knowledge, I would step up. Unfortunately, I do not. I will 
support those who do step up, and I will not condemn those who do not.
 -Lance


On Monday, July 25, 2016 12:03 PM, Steve Dougherty  
wrote:


 Hi Hayley,
To make sure it's clear, this is a publicly visible mailing list.
I assume you've seen the news post about flawed surveillance techniques? 
https://freenetproject.org/news.html#20160526-htl18attack It goes over our 
understanding of attacks used by law enforcement and why they appear to be 
heavily fundamentally flawed. If we can help elaborate on parts of it please 
let us know. The attacks we are aware of included information about how far 
away the request probably originated; (Hops To Live - HTL) you didn't mention 
that, and without it the attack is even less accurate than the effectively 
entirely inaccurate thing it already is.
As a non-profit organization running an open source project, we don't currently 
have employees, hence the lack of a phone number. You may be able to find 
someone in the community willing to participate; if this is the case I think 
it is we've been following it with interest for a while now. Could you please 
elaborate on what is involved in reviewing the search warrant, reviewing the 
police report, or being an expert witness? Would this be an attempt to 
invalidate the search and suppress evidence acquired with it?
Now addressing others on the list: I note an ethical dilemma here. It may well 
be that the accused is guilty of the things they are accused of, and 
invalidating this presumably-mistaken search warrant would allow them to go 
free. That said, do we want to resist the application of flawed statistics in 
prosecuting Freenet users? I'm leaning toward probably. Selectively assisting 
in fighting search warrants that seem invalid also seems unethical. Are we 
obligated to help?

- Steve

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, 2:33 PM Hayley Rosenblum  wrote:

Hello,
I am a law intern at Rosenblum, Schwartz, Rogers, & Glass, P.C. in St. Louis, 
MO. As a criminal defense firm, we have recently been hired for a Possession of 
Child Pornography case. According to the police report , a special investigator 
began running copies of Freenet that had been modified for law enforcement to 
log the IP address, key, and date, and time of requests that were sent to these 
law enforcement Freenet nodes which were then compared to keys of known child 
pornography. The special investigator observed an IP address routing/and or 
requesting suspected child pornography file blocks. The special investigation 
noted that the number and timing of the request was significant enough to 
indicate that the IP address was the apparent original requester of the file.

We have doubts about the legitimacy of this based off some brief research we 
have done on Freeness and how it works. Is there anyone I could contact to 
discuss having a Freenet employee/specialist to review the search warrant and 
police report and/or potentially hire as an expert witness. If so, how much 
would you charge for that?

Any information or further contacts would be great. I didn’t see a phone 
number on the website, so I figured i’d start with an email!

Thank you,

Hayley Rosenblum
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Rosenblum, Schwartz, Rogers, & Glass P.C.
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Re: [freenet-support] Question regarding legal case

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Hayley Rosenblum:
> Hello,
> I am a law intern at Rosenblum, Schwartz, Rogers, & Glass, P.C. in St.
> Louis, MO. As a criminal defense firm, we have recently been hired for a
> Possession of Child Pornography case. According to the police report , a
> special investigator began running copies of Freenet that had been modified
> for law enforcement to log the IP address, key, and date, and time of
> requests that were sent to these law enforcement Freenet nodes which were
> then compared to keys of known child pornography. The special investigator
> observed an IP address routing/and or requesting suspected child
> pornography file blocks. The special investigation noted that the number
> and timing of the request was significant enough to indicate that the IP
> address was the apparent original requester of the file.

These two files may be of assistance [0][1], and I believe the developer
volunteer by the name of ArneBab on FMS has posted a correction to the
math used by LEA in regards to their black ice project [2]. Maybe try
contacting them.

> 
> We have doubts about the legitimacy of this based off some brief research
> we have done on Freeness and how it works. Is there anyone I could contact
> to discuss having a Freenet employee/specialist to review the search
> warrant and police report and/or potentially hire as an expert witness. If
> so, how much would you charge for that?
> 

Due to Freenet being volunteer run we do not have any employees
currently, you can maybe contact some of the core developers and see if
they will be willing to do the work required to be an expert witness. I
assume most do not live near the court house so they might ask for
accommodations and financial compensation for the time they use not
working their normal jobs. Outside of that I assume you can always
donate to the Freenet project so we can hire an employee who then can be
tasked with helping you.

Clearnet Tor and Freenet links

[0] Clearnet
https://transfer.sh/WWpvv/freenet-investigations-white-paper-black-ice-090413-.pdf

[0] Tor link
http://jxm5d6emw5rknovg.onion/WWpvv/freenet-investigations-white-paper-black-ice-090413-.pdf

[0] Frennet
http://127.0.0.1:/CHK@NNYanp2t1gz12R12bg7Yct-SYOPTYvW2PNwids4vWz4,iqKClogwL6uLAFdxB6uxQQnA2ZNeyJ3hXW2sIJmx9aE,AAMC--8/Freenet%20Investigations%20White%20Paper%20-Black%20Ice%20%20%28090413%29.pdf

[1] Tor Link
http://jxm5d6emw5rknovg.onion/rzP7z/freenet-investigations-ppt.pdf

[1] Clearnet
https://transfer.sh/rzP7z/freenet-investigations-ppt.pdf

[1] Freenet
http://127.0.0.1:/CHK@a~ELucMCX0l9ZsnaT65b3U4wHFnQEAMTJvtNcPBPpi0,zldlhl2CRhOgrK6dQP1dNWtwMlNrchlb6Oc-Kucpc04,AAMC--8/Freenet_Investigations_PPT.pdf

[2] Clearnet
http://pastie.org/private/opjj1qtbbhkbkwif5mjhq

[2] Freenet
http://127.0.0.1:/SSK%40%2DjtTqLLTLaRaqqNx4Jq9Kxw5ejhGDxkeCdlDN9ckH1w%2Cd9Vg7c6m3QnsidlVyEMkxJB5e4XSrx8PZ4ahzY0nwoQ%2CAQACAAE/fms%7C2016%2D04%2D13%7CMessage%2D0?type=text/plain
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Re: [freenet-support] Question regarding legal case

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On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, at 03:03 PM, Steve Dougherty wrote:
>
> Now addressing others on the list: I note an ethical dilemma here. It
> may well be that the accused is guilty of the things they are accused
> of, and invalidating this presumably-mistaken search warrant would
> allow them to go free. That said, do we want to resist the application
> of flawed statistics in prosecuting Freenet users? I'm leaning toward
> probably. Selectively assisting in fighting search warrants that seem
> invalid also seems unethical. Are we obligated to help?
>
 
 
This is a great ethical question and it's been answered a million times
in courts.
 
There is a reason you hear about bad guys going free on "technicalities"
and it's not that the system is broken or corrupt.  The system is
designed with an important safeguard:   It's better for a HUNDRED guilty
people to go free than for ONE innocent person to go to jail.
 
If the prosecutors are using flawed statistics or a misunderstanding of
Freenet to send GUILTY people to jail,  then there is going to come a
time when they use those same flaws to send an INNOCENT person to jail.
 
If you provide testimony that truthfully describes how Freenet works and
that sets a guilty person free,  that is not your fault.  (Likewise,  if
cops were using Tarot cards or a Magic 8-ball to "prove" people were
guilty, and someone provided the truth about Tarot cards and Magic 8-
ball's, and that causes a guilty person to go free,  consider it a good
thing that the system has been FIXED and good innocent people aren't
wrongly going to jail.)
 
Those "technicalities" that the cops in TV shows seem to hate so much
are carefully designed protections to make sure that the system errs on
the side of protecting the innocent.
 
You will sleep better at night knowing that you told the truth.
Consider the alternative:   If you are ONLY going to provide testimony
in cases where the defendant is innocent,  then you're going to have to
determine who's guilty and innocent.  [And if you can do that, we don't
really need courts anymore, we can all just Ask Steve.]  If you withhold
testimony because the guy is a scumbag and he goes to jail on flawed
statistics, and then you find out years later that he was innocent,  you
are going to feel a lot worse than if you found out that a guilty guy
went free.
 
Just tell the truth about how your software works.  Whatever happens
after that is at least done with everyone's eyes open instead of closed.
 
But fucking charge for it.  $300 an hour seems fair.  FOSS authors have
a right to get paid for their time, knowledge, and expertise.  If a
court needs to understand how your software works,  you already did the
world a favor by WRITING the software,  you're not obligated to ALSO
teach everyone how to use it, teach them how to read code or to teach
them statistics that they should have learned in high school.  Be sure
you get WELL paid for your time.
 
The EFF will back me up on everything I'm saying.  This isn't about
twisting my mustache with an evil laugh because I've figured out how to
get away with being a bad guy.  This is about freedom to use software
to be anonymous - the crypto community has been trying for decades to
get people to understand that good and bad people EACH have uses for
tools like encryption, hammers, guns, and Freenet.  Encryption and
Anonymity doesn't mean your probably guilty.  The Federalist Papers,
for example, were published anonymously and provided the ideas that
eventually grew into the US Constitution.  You are on solid ethical and
moral ground - and in good company - by telling the truth about how
your software works.
 
 
- Eric
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Re: [freenet-support] Question regarding legal case

[Bert Massop]

Op 25 jul. 2016 22:03 schreef "Steve Dougherty" :

> Now addressing others on the list: I note an ethical dilemma here. It may
well be that the accused is guilty of the things they are accused of, and
invalidating this presumably-mistaken search warrant would allow them to go
free. That said, do we want to resist the application of flawed statistics
in prosecuting Freenet users? I'm leaning toward probably. Selectively
assisting in fighting search warrants that seem invalid also seems
unethical. Are we obligated to help?
>

I do think that at least morally, we are obligated to help in reviewing the
technical legitimacy of relevant evidence against a user of Freenet.

For myself I'd rather ignore what the bigger picture is in this case, but
focus on the technicalities instead (such as possibly a case of a law
enforcement agency misusing statistics on Freenet against one of the
software's users).

>From what I read from Hayley's message, this is exactly what has been
requested so far.

I am willing to assist any other volunteer in reviewing said
technicalities, but I would not feel comfortable doing that on my own (for
I am just another volunteer who does not necessarily know about every
single aspect of Freenet).

>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, 2:33 PM Hayley Rosenblum  wrote:
>> We have doubts about the legitimacy of this based off some brief
research we have done on Freeness and how it works. Is there anyone I could
contact to discuss having a Freenet employee/specialist to review the
search warrant and police report and/or potentially hire as an expert
witness. If so, how much would you charge for that?
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Re: [freenet-support] Question regarding legal case

[Steve Dougherty]

Hi Hayley,

To make sure it's clear, this is a publicly visible mailing list.

I assume you've seen the news post about flawed surveillance techniques?
https://freenetproject.org/news.html#20160526-htl18attack It goes over our
understanding of attacks used by law enforcement and why they appear to be
heavily fundamentally flawed. If we can help elaborate on parts of it
please let us know. The attacks we are aware of included information about
how far away the request probably originated; (Hops To Live - HTL) you
didn't mention that, and without it the attack is even less accurate than
the effectively entirely inaccurate thing it already is.

As a non-profit organization running an open source project, we don't
currently have employees, hence the lack of a phone number. You may be able
to find someone in the community willing to participate; if this is the
case I think it is we've been following it with interest for a while now.
Could you please elaborate on what is involved in reviewing the search
warrant, reviewing the police report, or being an expert witness? Would
this be an attempt to invalidate the search and suppress evidence acquired
with it?

Now addressing others on the list: I note an ethical dilemma here. It may
well be that the accused is guilty of the things they are accused of, and
invalidating this presumably-mistaken search warrant would allow them to go
free. That said, do we want to resist the application of flawed statistics
in prosecuting Freenet users? I'm leaning toward probably. Selectively
assisting in fighting search warrants that seem invalid also seems
unethical. Are we obligated to help?

- Steve

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016, 2:33 PM Hayley Rosenblum  wrote:

> Hello,
> I am a law intern at Rosenblum, Schwartz, Rogers, & Glass, P.C. in St.
> Louis, MO. As a criminal defense firm, we have recently been hired for a
> Possession of Child Pornography case. According to the police report , a
> special investigator began running copies of Freenet that had been modified
> for law enforcement to log the IP address, key, and date, and time of
> requests that were sent to these law enforcement Freenet nodes which were
> then compared to keys of known child pornography. The special investigator
> observed an IP address routing/and or requesting suspected child
> pornography file blocks. The special investigation noted that the number
> and timing of the request was significant enough to indicate that the IP
> address was the apparent original requester of the file.
>
> We have doubts about the legitimacy of this based off some brief research
> we have done on Freeness and how it works. Is there anyone I could contact
> to discuss having a Freenet employee/specialist to review the search
> warrant and police report and/or potentially hire as an expert witness. If
> so, how much would you charge for that?
>
> Any information or further contacts would be great. I didn’t see a phone
> number on the website, so I figured i’d start with an email!
>
> Thank you,
>
> Hayley Rosenblum
> Law Intern
> Rosenblum, Schwartz, Rogers, & Glass P.C.
> rsrglaw.com
> hrose...@slu.edu
> office: 314-862-4332
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[freenet-support] Newbies but an Oldie !

[Terry Cahill]

I am fascinated with Freenet and the multitude of information there is to  
browse but as an older person I am finding one or two basic elements to be very 
stressful. I don't want personal tuition and realise the service is staffed by 
volunteers mainly but a nod in the right direction might help open the door a 
wee bit further for an old guy ! 
I find there are no simple "how to" answers on Freenet to what are simple 
things on the open net. And I bounce around in circles . Is there a Freenet 
user guide  for dummies that can help me ? 
For example. I try to search... in the search Freenet box , it says  library 
plugins must be loaded . Where do i get these ? Even when i think i have it 
cracked and press search i get bumped to a screen saying the localhost page 
isn't working. This i can't solve. Also when i download  a file i do not know 
where it is or how to open it after it is done. Easy if you know how but i 
don't. I also would like to use Firefox but it opens in Chrome and the only 
other option is IE ? 
At 69 I'm not too bad with my laptop, iPad, and smartphone but I am deaf and  
reading stuff on line is my greatest pleasure in life now and Freenet takes me 
beyond the norm and it is a thrilling world for me. There was a page about 
Depression that was so on the ball that I wanted to forward it to everyone but 
had't a clue how to , outside Freenet,  or whether I should not even think 
about that . i don't know anyone else on Freenet.  
There's me , knockin at the door but  I only have half the get to get in ! 
Thanks for what you have given us ! 
Sincerely 
Terry 

Sent from my iPad
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1475 released

[Florent Daigniere]

nager.java  |4 +-
 src/freenet/node/PeerNode.java |   17 +-
 src/freenet/node/RequestStarter.java   |   19 +-
 src/freenet/node/RequestStarterGroup.java  |   24 +-
 src/freenet/node/SeedClientPeerNode.java   |2 +-
 src/freenet/node/SeedServerPeerNode.java   |2 +-
 src/freenet/node/fcp/AllDataMessage.java   |   22 -
 src/freenet/node/fcp/BaseDataCarryingMessage.java  |7 -
 src/freenet/node/fcp/ClientGet.java|  132 ---
 src/freenet/node/fcp/ClientPut.java|  183 
 src/freenet/node/fcp/ClientPutBase.java|   72 --
 src/freenet/node/fcp/ClientPutDir.java |  105 --
 src/freenet/node/fcp/ClientRequest.java|  138 ---
 src/freenet/node/fcp/CompatibilityMode.java|   59 --
 src/freenet/node/fcp/DataCarryingMessage.java  |   13 -
 src/freenet/node/fcp/ExpectedHashes.java   |   18 -
 src/freenet/node/fcp/FCPClient.java|  140 ---
 src/freenet/node/fcp/FCPMessage.java   |   27 -
 src/freenet/node/fcp/FCPPersistentRoot.java|  104 --
 src/freenet/node/fcp/GetFailedMessage.java |   53 -
 src/freenet/node/fcp/ProtocolErrorMessage.java |   77 --
 src/freenet/node/fcp/PutFailedMessage.java |   42 -
 src/freenet/node/fcp/SimpleProgressMessage.java|   52 -
 src/freenet/node/fcp/package-info.java |3 -
 src/freenet/node/useralerts/JVMVersionAlert.java   |2 +-
 src/freenet/pluginmanager/OfficialPlugins.java |4 +-
 src/freenet/pluginmanager/PluginManager.java   |   28 +-
 src/freenet/support/JVMVersion.java|   18 +-
 src/freenet/support/PrioritizedTicker.java |  242 +++--
 src/freenet/support/Ticker.java|   36 +
 src/freenet/support/TokenBucket.java   |6 +-
 src/freenet/support/TrivialTicker.java |    7 +
 src/freenet/support/io/ArrayBucket.java|4 +-
 test/freenet/client/filter/CSSParserTest.java  |2 +-
 test/freenet/crypt/EncryptingIoAdapterTest.java|  203 
 test/freenet/node/NewPacketFormatTest.java |   38 +-
 test/freenet/node/NodeAndClientLayerBlobTest.java  |  110 ++
 test/freenet/node/NodeAndClientLayerTest.java  |   85 ++
 test/freenet/node/NodeAndClientLayerTestBase.java  |   40 +
 test/freenet/node/NullBasePeerNode.java|5 -
 test/freenet/store/SlashdotStoreTest.java  |   12 +-
 test/freenet/support/CheatingTicker.java   |6 +
 test/freenet/support/JVMVersionTest.java   |   19 +-
 test/freenet/support/PrioritizedTickerTest.java|  270 ++++-
 test/freenet/support/SpeedyTicker.java |   25 +
 100 files changed, 1981 insertions(+), 3327 deletions(-)

Git shortlog:
Arne Babenhauserheide (1):
  audio-tag: add ?type=audio/mpeg to src-uris

Bert Massop (8):
  Fix MessageFilter cleanup delay time
  Replace traversal-only LinkedList and HashMap by ArrayList
  Reduce frequency of MessageFilter cleanup job
  Cleanup KeyListenerTracker
  Fix a corner case in BloomFilter length
  NodeStats: reduce code duplication in request location tracking
  Fix parsing of Java versions >= 9 (JEP-223)
  Force stripping ECDSA signature padding: BC 1.54 has retarded
checks

Florent Daigniere (86):
  Remove the DSA params from the noderefs
  Merge branch 'localise-fde-hyperlink' of https://github.com/toad/
fred-staging into toad-localise-fde-hyperlink
  Merge branch 'toad-localise-fde-hyperlink' into next
  Merge branch 'fix-db4o-source-path' of https://github.com/xor-fre
enet/fred-staging into xor-freenet-fix-db4o-source-path
  Merge branch 'xor-freenet-fix-db4o-source-path' into next
  Merge branch 'fix-eclipse-java-version' of https://github.com/xor
-freenet/fred-staging into xor-freenet-fix-eclipse-java-version
  Merge branch 'xor-freenet-fix-eclipse-java-version' into next
  Merge branch 'PR500-fixup' of https://github.com/xor-freenet/fred
-staging into xor-freenet-PR500-fixup
  Merge branch 'xor-freenet-PR500-fixup' into next
  Merge branch 'plugins-disable' of https://github.com/toad/fred-st
aging into toad-plugins-disable
  fix indent
  Merge branch 'toad-plugins-disable' into next
  Merge branch 'lazy-start-datastore-checker' of https://github.com
/toad/fred-staging into toad-lazy-start-datastore-checker
  fix indent
  Merge branch 'toad-lazy-start-datastore-checker' into next
  Merge branch 'cooldown-fixes' of https://github.com/toad/fred-sta
ging into toad-cooldown-fixes
  fix indent
  Merge branch 'toad-cooldown-fixes' into next
  Merge branch 'remove-load-limiting-high-level-token-buckets' of h
ttps://github.com/toad/fred-staging into toad-remove-load-limiting-
high-level-token-buckets
  code style
  Merge branch 'toad-remove-load-limiting-high-level-token-buckets' 
into next
  Merge b

Re: [freenet-support] unable to install fnet1474

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Hi Steven,

Can you give us some additional information?

And maybe check whether you can find an answer in the knowledge base?
https://freenetproject.tenderapp.com/kb

Best wishes,
Arne

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[freenet-support] unable to install fnet1474

[Steven Richard]

Fnet crashed after the attack.  The only thing I could do was uninstall.  I downloaded and installed 1474, however it rolled back to 1459.  I uninstalled and reinstalled with several different versions several times, all resulting in no node connections and usually running 1459 regardless of the install.  Please help if you can. Thank you.
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Re: [freenet-support] safe to send noderef by email

[Fritz Wuehler]

jelbert nl wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If I want to invite friends to freenet would it be safe to exhange the 
> noderef bij email or exhange them on a forum? Or is the only secure way to 
> exhange them by a physical meeting and excange usb sticks?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jelbert

Hi Jelbert.
Exchanging by usb stick you give personally is safe.

Mail and forums are very unsafe. You can make mail safe however by 
using GPG, you and your friend both need to use it.

You need eachothers public key, you use it to encrypt mail only you 
and your friend can read.
You can sign your message by your secret key, your friend knows for 
sure the message is by you.

Not even the NSA is known to be able to crack GPG.

I think everyone who is privacy-aware must use GPG as much as he 
can.

I am privacy aware, for that reason this is an anonymous mail.
The NSA stores the text (yes they do!), but they can not know who 
sent it.
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Re: [freenet-support] safe to send noderef by email

[Anonymous]

jelbert nl wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If I want to invite friends to freenet would it be safe to exhange the 
> noderef bij email or exhange them on a forum? Or is the only secure way to 
> exhange them by a physical meeting and excange usb sticks?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jelbert

Hi Jelbert.
Exchanging by usb stick you give personally is safe.

Mail and forums are very unsafe. You can make mail safe however by 
using GPG, you and your friend both need to use it.

You need eachothers public key, you use it to encrypt mail only you 
and your friend can read.
You can sign your message by your secret key, your friend knows for 
sure the message is by you.

Not even the NSA is known to be able to crack GPG.

I think everyone who is privacy-aware must use GPG as much as he 
can.

I am privacy aware, for that reason this is an anonymous mail.
The NSA stores the text (yes they do!), but they can not know who 
sent it.
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Re: [freenet-support] Build 1474 status and the *Freenet-bite* attack

[Fritz Wuehler]

On 07-Jun-16 3:54 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> Freenet build 1474 has been partially released. It includes a critical bugfix
> for the "Frostbite" bug: if you visit a malicious key, downloads can stop
> working. This is being actively exploited on Frost and Sone/WoT. Unloading
> WoT / turning off Frost and restarting the node should make it work again.

This crack was an exploit of Freenet. Not of Frost.
It affected both users of WoT and users of Frost.

It should for that reason not be called 'Frostbite' but 
'Freenetbite'.


All users of both programs during the attack must upgrade to the 
repaired version
of Freenet, build 1474 because their node is corrupted and can not 
be repaired.
Users whose node is corrupted can not upgrade over Freenet, they 
must use the
clearweb upgrading method.

Shut down Freenet.
Windows users must use the DOS command line, navigate to the 
Freenet folder:
update.cmd
Linux users need this command: "./update.sh"


This was not just some bug in Freenet, this attack was the most 
severe attack on
Freenet I have seen in over 10 years of using Freenet.
This crack was damaging all nodes of everybody who used either the 
Web of Trust
plugin, or Frost.

I think the importance of this crack should be taken seriously.

This time the anonymity of Freenet users has not been endangered,
but an attack this effective may well expose all damaged nodes.

Since downloading a malicious key was enough, this crack could have 
been applied
to the key of a freesite or even to the key to download a 
particular file.

I know this is no good advertizing of Freenet but this has happened.
Please allow this anonymous message on the support list.
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Re: [freenet-support] Build 1474 status and the *Freenet-bite* attack

[Anonymous Remailer (austria)]

On 07-Jun-16 3:54 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> Freenet build 1474 has been partially released. It includes a critical bugfix
> for the "Frostbite" bug: if you visit a malicious key, downloads can stop
> working. This is being actively exploited on Frost and Sone/WoT. Unloading
> WoT / turning off Frost and restarting the node should make it work again.

This crack was an exploit of Freenet. Not of Frost.
It affected both users of WoT and users of Frost.

It should for that reason not be called 'Frostbite' but 
'Freenetbite'.


All users of both programs during the attack must upgrade to the 
repaired version
of Freenet, build 1474 because their node is corrupted and can not 
be repaired.
Users whose node is corrupted can not upgrade over Freenet, they 
must use the
clearweb upgrading method.

Shut down Freenet.
Windows users must use the DOS command line, navigate to the 
Freenet folder:
update.cmd
Linux users need this command: "./update.sh"


This was not just some bug in Freenet, this attack was the most 
severe attack on
Freenet I have seen in over 10 years of using Freenet.
This crack was damaging all nodes of everybody who used either the 
Web of Trust
plugin, or Frost.

I think the importance of this crack should be taken seriously.

This time the anonymity of Freenet users has not been endangered,
but an attack this effective may well expose all damaged nodes.

Since downloading a malicious key was enough, this crack could have 
been applied
to the key of a freesite or even to the key to download a 
particular file.

I know this is no good advertizing of Freenet but this has happened.
Please allow this anonymous message on the support list.
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Re: [freenet-support] safe to send noderef by email

[xor]

On Sunday, May 15, 2016 09:35:41 AM jelbert nl wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> If I want to invite friends to freenet would it be safe to exhange the
> noderef bij email or exhange them on a forum? Or is the only secure way to
> exhange them by a physical meeting and excange usb sticks?

(Sorry for the long delay in answering this, we've been a volunteer-only 
project for the past >6 months. No employees to be forced to reply to 
mails...)

What is "safe" depends on who you think might be attacking you.

In theory, people who are capable of intercepting your mails could replace 
your noderef with their own and thus intercept your Freenet traffic.
This is called man-in-the-middle attack:
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-in-the-middle_attack

Of course this is a bit complex to do and thus will probably only happen if 
someone is actively trying to hack you, such as a government.

So if you don't feel like the government is interested in you personally, use 
mail. Otherwise use an USB stick.




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[freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1474 is finally released!

[Matthew Toseland]

If your node does not update automatically, you may need to update it manually 
as described in my previous message. The simplest way to deal with the problem 
is to shut down Frost, FMS and Web of Trust and reboot and the auto-update 
should work given an hour or two.

Thanks to everyone involved in getting this build out in difficult 
circumstances!

=

Freenet 0.7.5 build 1474 is now available. This is an emergency bugfix release, 
hence I am releasing it rather than Steve while he is incapacitated. It fixes 
some important bugs, one of which is involved in the current attacks on Frost 
and Sone.

Summary of changes:

* Fix the Frostbite bug: if the node downloads a malicious key, this would 
cause the whole client layer to break. This is currently being actively used to 
attack Frost and Sone.
* Automatically upgrade nodes to use the minimum bandwidth limit if necessary. 
Some nodes were unable to start up because their bandwidth limit was too low. 
Apologies to anyone affected by this. Also, improve the logic that sets the 
per-second bandwidth limits from a monthly setting. Obviously, you should be 
very careful if using Freenet on a connection with a monthly transfer limit.
* Minor security improvements to the web interface.

If your node is unable to update because of the Frostbite bug, please turn off 
the affected applications (unload the Web of Trust and Sone plugins and shut 
down Frost), and then restart the node. It should pick up the update within a 
few hours. If it still doesn't work, the update.cmd or update.sh scripts may 
fix the problem, but they will access our website in a traceable manner.

Thank you for using Freenet!

- Matthew Toseland

Git shortlog:

Bert Massop (4):
  BloomFilter: additional sanity checking of length and hash count
  Add more splitfile sanity checks
  Make KeyListenerTracker more resilient
  Fix a corner case in BloomFilter length

Florent Daigniere (7):
  Set rel='noreferrer noopener' where appropriate
  Merge branch 'do-not-die-on-too-low-bandwidth' of 
https://github.com/ArneBab/fred-staging-1 into 
ArneBab-do-not-die-on-too-low-bandwidth
  Merge branch 'ArneBab-do-not-die-on-too-low-bandwidth' into next
  Merge branch 'frostbite-hotfix' of https://github.com/bertm/fred-staging 
into bertm-frostbite-hotfix
  Merge branch 'bertm-frostbite-hotfix' into next
  Merge branch 'avoid-claiming-magic' of 
https://github.com/Thynix/fred-staging into Thynix-avoid-claiming-magic
  Merge branch 'Thynix-avoid-claiming-magic' into next

Matthew Toseland (1):
  Build 1474, mandatory in a week but crucial bugfixes

Steve Dougherty (3):
  Merge remote-tracking branch 'ArneBab/do-not-die-on-too-low-bandwidth' 
into next
  Merge remote-tracking branch 'nextgens/use-noreferrer' into next
  l10n: avoid suggesting tracing is impossible

drak@kaverne (5):
  FIX: on too low bandwidth, use min bandwidth
  node init: log increase of bandwidth to minimum
  fixed bandwidth selection per month
  whitespace (tabify)
  use asymptoticDlFraction + fix whitespace
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"
gpg: aka "Matthew Toseland (2013-2018 key, higher key length) 
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[freenet-support] Build 1474 status and the Frostbite attack

[Matthew Toseland]

Freenet build 1474 has been partially released. It includes a critical bugfix
for the "Frostbite" bug: if you visit a malicious key, downloads can stop
working. This is being actively exploited on Frost and Sone/WoT. Unloading
WoT / turning off Frost and restarting the node should make it work again.
Unfortunately the official release manager Steve is indisposed, and nextgens
and I are still working on completing the release; it should be inserted
into the auto-update system tomorrow, and thus "officially" released.

The build has been released as far as the website, so new installs will be
1474. Sorry about this, we will try to make our recovery procedures more 
robust in future... Please relay this message to FMS etc if possible, thanks!

You can manually update to the new build as follows:

Option 1: Use update.sh or update.cmd

This is not anonymous, in that it downloads the jar file over HTTPS from our
server, so anyone listening could tell that you run Freenet. Also there
have been some reported bugs (one problem with update.sh was fixed just by
running it again, otherwise contact #freenet on irc.freenode.net - note that
this is also not anonymous).

Option 2: Download the jar from Freenet on a working node and replace them.

First, download the following key:
CHK@jCVrtDlDgly4kqNRPAH4o7j16I5Fcy39ka6Qz2~NOko,kbxLQ-wHV4S8YgPUme3y9HKYopc1FWeEMUaZ~zDeSqM,AAMC--8/freenet-build01474.jar

Signature is here (if you have gnupg and my pubkey):
CHK@~gTf8kWGI0X34XOI~pI-hagrddxzUJdbPIk20nYoLjs,a7SNdm2Sq7u3sOwjX5GyVkitpR8J92~VGdO~tSynLto,AAMC--8/freenet-build01474.jar.sig

Now shut down the node.

Open wrapper.conf in a text editor. 
There should be a line that says something like:
wrapper.java.classpath.1=freenet.jar.new

If it says freenet.jar.new then change it to freenet.jar. 
If it says freenet.jar then don't do anything.

Now replace freenet.jar with the jar you just downloaded from Freenet.



Official release notes:

$ git tag -v build01474
object ced0ba20a7ffba7fdf05466d00bf6cb585c28bc9
type commit
tag build01474
tagger Matthew Toseland  1465137470 +0100

2016-06-05

Freenet 0.7.5 build 1474 is now available. This is an emergency bugfix release, 
hence I am releasing it rather than Steve while he is incapacitated. It fixes 
some important bugs, one of which is involved in the current attacks on Frost 
and Sone.

Summary of changes:

* Fix the Frostbite bug: if the node downloads a malicious key, this would 
cause the whole client layer to break. This is currently being actively used to 
attack Frost and Sone.
* Automatically upgrade nodes to use the minimum bandwidth limit if necessary. 
Some nodes were unable to start up because their bandwidth limit was too low. 
Apologies to anyone affected by this. Also, improve the logic that sets the 
per-second bandwidth limits from a monthly setting. Obviously, you should be 
very careful if using Freenet on a connection with a monthly transfer limit.
* Minor security improvements to the web interface.

If your node is unable to update because of the Frostbite bug, please turn off 
the affected applications (unload the Web of Trust and Sone plugins and shut 
down Frost), and then restart the node. It should pick up the update within a 
few hours. If it still doesn't work, the update.cmd or update.sh scripts may 
fix the problem, but they will access our website in a traceable manner.

Thank you for using Freenet!

- Matthew Toseland

Git shortlog:

Bert Massop (4):
  BloomFilter: additional sanity checking of length and hash count
  Add more splitfile sanity checks
  Make KeyListenerTracker more resilient
  Fix a corner case in BloomFilter length

Florent Daigniere (7):
  Set rel='noreferrer noopener' where appropriate
  Merge branch 'do-not-die-on-too-low-bandwidth' of 
https://github.com/ArneBab/fred-staging-1 into 
ArneBab-do-not-die-on-too-low-bandwidth
  Merge branch 'ArneBab-do-not-die-on-too-low-bandwidth' into next
  Merge branch 'frostbite-hotfix' of https://github.com/bertm/fred-staging 
into bertm-frostbite-hotfix
  Merge branch 'bertm-frostbite-hotfix' into next
  Merge branch 'avoid-claiming-magic' of 
https://github.com/Thynix/fred-staging into Thynix-avoid-claiming-magic
  Merge branch 'Thynix-avoid-claiming-magic' into next

Matthew Toseland (1):
  Build 1474, mandatory in a week but crucial bugfixes

Steve Dougherty (3):
  Merge remote-tracking branch 'ArneBab/do-not-die-on-too-low-bandwidth' 
into next
  Merge remote-tracking branch 'nextgens/use-noreferrer' into next
  l10n: avoid suggesting tracing is impossible

drak@kaverne (5):
  FIX: on too low bandwidth, use min bandwidth
  node init: log increase of bandwidth to minimum
  fixed bandwidth selection per month
  whitespace (tabify)
  use asymptoticDlFraction + fix whitespace
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[freenet-support] Build 1474 status and the Frostbite attack

[Matthew Toseland]

Freenet build 1474 has been partially released. It includes a critical bugfix
for the "Frostbite" bug: if you visit a malicious key, downloads can stop
working. This is being actively exploited on Frost and Sone/WoT. Unloading
WoT / turning off Frost and restarting the node should make it work again.
Unfortunately the official release manager Steve is indisposed, and nextgens
and I are still working on completing the release; it should be inserted
into the auto-update system tomorrow, and thus "officially" released.

The build has been released as far as the website, so new installs will be
1474. Sorry about this, we will try to make our recovery procedures more 
robust in future... Please relay this message to FMS etc if possible, thanks!

You can manually update to the new build as follows:

Option 1: Use update.sh or update.cmd

This is not anonymous, in that it downloads the jar file over HTTPS from our
server, so anyone listening could tell that you run Freenet. Also there
have been some reported bugs (one problem with update.sh was fixed just by
running it again, otherwise contact #freenet on irc.freenode.net - note that
this is also not anonymous).

Option 2: Download the jar from Freenet on a working node and replace them.

First, download the following key:
CHK@jCVrtDlDgly4kqNRPAH4o7j16I5Fcy39ka6Qz2~NOko,kbxLQ-wHV4S8YgPUme3y9HKYopc1FWeEMUaZ~zDeSqM,AAMC--8/freenet-build01474.jar

Signature is here (if you have gnupg and my pubkey):
CHK@~gTf8kWGI0X34XOI~pI-hagrddxzUJdbPIk20nYoLjs,a7SNdm2Sq7u3sOwjX5GyVkitpR8J92~VGdO~tSynLto,AAMC--8/freenet-build01474.jar.sig

Now shut down the node.

Open wrapper.conf in a text editor. 
There should be a line that says something like:
wrapper.java.classpath.1=freenet.jar.new

If it says freenet.jar.new then change it to freenet.jar. 
If it says freenet.jar then don't do anything.

Now replace freenet.jar with the jar you just downloaded from Freenet.



Official release notes:

$ git tag -v build01474
object ced0ba20a7ffba7fdf05466d00bf6cb585c28bc9
type commit
tag build01474
tagger Matthew Toseland  1465137470 +0100

2016-06-05

Freenet 0.7.5 build 1474 is now available. This is an emergency bugfix release, 
hence I am releasing it rather than Steve while he is incapacitated. It fixes 
some important bugs, one of which is involved in the current attacks on Frost 
and Sone.

Summary of changes:

* Fix the Frostbite bug: if the node downloads a malicious key, this would 
cause the whole client layer to break. This is currently being actively used to 
attack Frost and Sone.
* Automatically upgrade nodes to use the minimum bandwidth limit if necessary. 
Some nodes were unable to start up because their bandwidth limit was too low. 
Apologies to anyone affected by this. Also, improve the logic that sets the 
per-second bandwidth limits from a monthly setting. Obviously, you should be 
very careful if using Freenet on a connection with a monthly transfer limit.
* Minor security improvements to the web interface.

If your node is unable to update because of the Frostbite bug, please turn off 
the affected applications (unload the Web of Trust and Sone plugins and shut 
down Frost), and then restart the node. It should pick up the update within a 
few hours. If it still doesn't work, the update.cmd or update.sh scripts may 
fix the problem, but they will access our website in a traceable manner.

Thank you for using Freenet!

- Matthew Toseland

Git shortlog:

Bert Massop (4):
  BloomFilter: additional sanity checking of length and hash count
  Add more splitfile sanity checks
  Make KeyListenerTracker more resilient
  Fix a corner case in BloomFilter length

Florent Daigniere (7):
  Set rel='noreferrer noopener' where appropriate
  Merge branch 'do-not-die-on-too-low-bandwidth' of 
https://github.com/ArneBab/fred-staging-1 into 
ArneBab-do-not-die-on-too-low-bandwidth
  Merge branch 'ArneBab-do-not-die-on-too-low-bandwidth' into next
  Merge branch 'frostbite-hotfix' of https://github.com/bertm/fred-staging 
into bertm-frostbite-hotfix
  Merge branch 'bertm-frostbite-hotfix' into next
  Merge branch 'avoid-claiming-magic' of 
https://github.com/Thynix/fred-staging into Thynix-avoid-claiming-magic
  Merge branch 'Thynix-avoid-claiming-magic' into next

Matthew Toseland (1):
  Build 1474, mandatory in a week but crucial bugfixes

Steve Dougherty (3):
  Merge remote-tracking branch 'ArneBab/do-not-die-on-too-low-bandwidth' 
into next
  Merge remote-tracking branch 'nextgens/use-noreferrer' into next
  l10n: avoid suggesting tracing is impossible

drak@kaverne (5):
  FIX: on too low bandwidth, use min bandwidth
  node init: log increase of bandwidth to minimum
  fixed bandwidth selection per month
  whitespace (tabify)
  use asymptoticDlFraction + fix whitespace
gpg: Signature made Sun 05 Jun 2016 15:37:50 BST using RSA key ID 1946AA94
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Re: [freenet-support] Minds of home user

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Hi Nemo,

Thank you for writing.

Captain Nemo writes:

> 1. Practically, all  users have browser Firefox 64bit. Your soft, Freenet
> installer, is working only with browsers 32bit, and with Java 32bit. In a
> result, its a useless.

Freenet works flawlessly with a 64 bit browser.

It brings its own Java version.

> 2. Freenet can have a price. Maybe, 12 $ in year. Result? You will have a
> 1200 $, and more. Its not a big price, today.

Please donate! https://freenetproject.org/donate.html#donate

Every donation helps us improve Freenet.

Best wishes,
Arne
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[freenet-support] Minds of home user

[Captain Nemo]

Hello, I want to speak simple things.
1. Practically, all  users have browser Firefox 64bit. Your soft, Freenet
installer, is working only with browsers 32bit, and with Java 32bit. In a
result, its a useless.
2. Freenet can have a price. Maybe, 12 $ in year. Result? You will have a
1200 $, and more. Its not a big price, today.
3. Thanks for attention . I wish to You ,all profie , from Freenet Project
- a success.
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Re: [freenet-support] regarding publishing a website

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Bert Massop writes:

> I would say that Freenet is not suited to your use case. Let me
> provide you with some basic understanding of how Freenet works.
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Austin Bunton  wrote:
>> I'd like to migrate the structure and content of my current business website
>> over to the Freenet.  What are the steps of this process, would I have a
>> different web address if I want to maintain the same domain name,
>
> Websites (freesites) on Freenet can only be accessed by those using
> Freenet themselves, and are not accessible from the "normal" internet
> without installing additional software.

An exception to this are websites which access the content inside
Freenet and provide it to the user. There are currently two examples of
this:

- bluishcoder.co.nz, a website backed by Freenet:
  https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2015/09/14/using-freenet-for-static-websites.html
- a generic in-proxy, allowing access to some sites in Freenet:
  http://d6.gnutella2.info/freenet/

The first example means that even if your domain name should be
unavailable for any reason, people can keep accessing your website over
Freenet. For example when you run Freenet, the bluishcoder-site is also
available via the link

http://127.0.0.1:/USK@1ORdIvjL2H1bZblJcP8hu2LjjKtVB-rVzp8mLty~5N4,8hL85otZBbq0geDsSKkBK4sKESL2SrNVecFZz9NxGVQ,AQACAAE/bluishcoder/-28/

Best wishes,
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[freenet-support] regarding publishing a website

[Austin Bunton]

I'd like to migrate the structure and content of my current business
website over to the Freenet.  What are the steps of this process, would I
have a different web address if I want to maintain the same domain name,
and what is the cost of maintaining a site with 1,000 webpages and more
than 10GB of content?  I noticed that the homepage of the Freenet mentions
not needing servers, but where is the data stored?  On my own computer?  I
want to ensure that my site will stay up, and third parties won't mess up
my hard work (like hosts have in the past, changing the interface and
programming associated with my sites (more like illogically destroying the
interface's reliability and with no notice to the end users), thus making
maintaining my sites impossible).
Thanks for your time and help, and hat's off to you for your Freenet
milestones.


Best Regards,

Austin Bunton, USMC
AAIT, BSIT/ISS, MIS
+1 406.581.2781
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[freenet-support] safe to send noderef by email

[jelbert nl]

Hi,

If I want to invite friends to freenet would it be safe to exhange the noderef 
bij email or exhange them on a forum? Or is the only secure way to exhange them 
by a physical meeting and excange usb sticks?


Cheers,

Jelbert
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[freenet-support] Stalled/broken file download repair query

[nutakhin nutakhin]

I was downloading several files with build 1472 when a local weather event caused a power outage which shut down my hardware.

 

Upon restarting everything, I found that the files were still present in the download page in the web browser gui, showing their progress at the time of the shut down. Furthermore, all of the appropriate *.freenet-tmp files are present in the correct folder, and appear to be intact. However, zero progress is made on these files, even over several days.

 

Attempting to restart the download with the original CHK or SSK simply started another copy from scratch. Which is fine with the smaller file, however with the larger file I would really rather not lose my progress.

 

Is there a way to get Freenet to resume downloading where the *.freenet-tmp file had it's latest progress?

 

Thank you.
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Re: [freenet-support] Rant for Opennet

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Anonymous Remailer (austria) writes:

> On 11-May-16 8:27 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
>>
>> Anonymous writes:
> (all previous text cut)
>
> Okay, you convinced me of how Darknet could add to my security. I 
> think I understand though I'm not sure.

I’m glad to hear that!

> Yet the practical problem for me stays the same, although I now 
> would like to find a darknet peer, I would not know how.
> Not nice for me to write but fact, I got no close friends at all. 
> Would not want to ask family as they'd understand nothing of this 
> even when one has been an IT worker all his life. I could explain 
> the technics but he would understand nothing of why Freenet, 
> anonymity, strong encryption is needed.
> To trust a coworker with the fact I run a FN node, well, I don't 
> dare that either. Only one of them /might/ understand, but I don't 
> want to try.

I tried it for years. People only started to connect when I realized
that messages between darknet friends are about the only truly
confidential communication among friends we get in the internet right
now.


See http://www.draketo.de/english/freenet/connect-speak-freely


There are three dimensions to the communication we know from the analog
world:

- Confidential
- Official
- Pseudonymous

Confidential communication reaches only a small group of people. You can
truly speak your mind, but only with trusted friends or chance
acquaintances (like people you meet in the train)..

Official communication requires self-censorship with external control.

Pseudonymous communication requires an intermediary and constant
vigilance, but you can speak your mind and reach many people if people
trust the intermediary (like a newspaper or a publisher).


In the internet, we essentially only have official communication. Even
private messages are only one change in privacy policy, one zero-day or
one app-update from being public.


Darknet messages and Freemail bring back confidential communication.

Forums in Freenet bring back pseudonymous communication, with the WoT
as intermediary which prevents spam.


For a visualization, see slide 4 of the suma slides (a talk I gave when
Freenet received the SUMA award for protection against total
surveillance):
http://www.draketo.de/proj/freenet-funding/suma-slides.pdf

> A side comment; I do not see how the NSA could take over all my 
> opennet connections, no matter how many nodes it runs.

They can watch whom you connect to and DoS all your non-NSA connections
until you only have connections to NSA nodes left.

> Also, I have read the surfaced docs on LE Freenet investigations, 
> it looks like the NSA can well identify files within Freenet, but I 
> read between the lines they are not as powerful as they would like 
> to be on cracking Freenets pseudonymity, in fact hardly at all at 
> the moment of writing.

These documents are from a regional police office. They are hardly the
NSA. More like some folks who try to do the right thing but lack the
means.

> I have read lots on how 'the cops' try to get warrants but very 
> little on how Freenet is surveilled from within.
> Don't see how surveillance within would give them much to go after 
> either.

They have lists with all the files they are interested in. They likely
gathered them.

> Oh, will darknet be as unsafe for the 'friends' running both 
> darknet and opennet?

They cannot take over your darknet connections without massive
intervention — massive compared to a cheap DoS attack against a few
hundred private computers which would be necessary to break the
anonymity of a pure opennet node.

One darknet node might not suffice, but several should make the attack
weak enough that it would not provide substantial proof.

Best wishes,
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Re: [freenet-support] Rant for Opennet

[Anonymous Remailer (austria)]

On 11-May-16 8:27 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
>
> Anonymous writes:
(all previous text cut)

Okay, you convinced me of how Darknet could add to my security. I 
think I understand though I'm not sure.

Yet the practical problem for me stays the same, although I now 
would like to find a darknet peer, I would not know how.
Not nice for me to write but fact, I got no close friends at all. 
Would not want to ask family as they'd understand nothing of this 
even when one has been an IT worker all his life. I could explain 
the technics but he would understand nothing of why Freenet, 
anonymity, strong encryption is needed.
To trust a coworker with the fact I run a FN node, well, I don't 
dare that either. Only one of them /might/ understand, but I don't 
want to try.

A side comment; I do not see how the NSA could take over all my 
opennet connections, no matter how many nodes it runs.
The connections limit of 40 has been raised to, 100?
I have 73 opennet connections now, 16 backed off. How could the NSA 
take over all 57 remaining connections. If the NSA would run nearly 
all nodes, okay. Could supernodes, with an extremely high bandwidth 
do this?
If so, I imagine those nodes would be similar to black holes for 
them only 'sucking in', but very visible.

Also, I have read the surfaced docs on LE Freenet investigations, 
it looks like the NSA can well identify files within Freenet, but I 
read between the lines they are not as powerful as they would like 
to be on cracking Freenets pseudonymity, in fact hardly at all at 
the moment of writing.
I have read lots on how 'the cops' try to get warrants but very 
little on how Freenet is surveilled from within.
Don't see how surveillance within would give them much to go after 
either.

So I still think it will be next to impossible to link Freenet ID's 
to IP adresses. Linking downloads to IP adresses is easy, given the 
downloaders do it in the most unsafe way. So there can be thought 
of how to make it less unsafe.

Oh, will darknet be as unsafe for the 'friends' running both 
darknet and opennet?
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Re: [freenet-support] Rant for Opennet

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Anonymous writes:

>> ? Do you want your potential future employer to know everything we talk
>> about and use that to screen applications? To you tell all your
>> colleagues and family about every hobby you have? When you talk about
>> it in the open, it.s just one security breakage of your online service
>> from being public.
>
> Reply would be: you're just too paranoia. Got nothing to hide.

“Didn’t you ever lose a chance, because a co-worker got a grudge against
you because you hold a different opinion on something? Or got into
problems for a careless comment?”

>> You only need to trust the other to not modify his/her node to spy on
>> you. Since most people don.t have the skills to do that, the trust
>> requirement isn.t that high.
>
> It's indeed not, if my trust in the other would be enough. But it 
> is not.

You actually assume that all your friends at the same time have the
skills to modify Freenet and would do that to spy on you?

>> That.s exactly what you should not do. Or rather: You create one ID per
>> shared secret and keep these separate.
>
> This is what I do--inside Freenet. I use more than one ID, keeping 
> them separate.
> The main reason is to diffuse the profile of the person I am.

Yepp — you separate them. No need to tell the people you connect to
about all your IDs.

> As it looks now, LE can ID files w/in FN, track what is downloaded 
> or uploaded
> but not yet prove w/o doubt what one node does.
> It can be made 'likely' but not proven.

It’s the same for darknet friends.

> Every IP running FN is logged, each file inside FN is registered.
> Still, there is no way identities can be linked to IP's.

For opennet “no way” is putting it too high. It’s hard, but if they can
take over all your opennet connections, they know what you insert, and
that means they could know your IDs. Taking over all your connections is
possible in Opennet.

In darknet, they would have to corrupt most of your friends without you
noticing. That’s extremely hard and needs actual people to get active,
which raises the cost for the attack enormeously.

Even having some darknet peers as well as opennet gives you protection
against that attack.

> I am not convinced darknet is useful to me, I do see opennet as 
> what I need.
>
> My real person must not have anything to do with the person, ID I 
> am inside Freenet, this is a definitive must.

That’s what you get with Darknet, but not with Opennet.

> I do not want anyone to know what I do inside Freenet. I even don't 
> want anyone to know I run a node.
> My ISP may know, LE knows, but both must not know what I do inside 
> FN or what my ID is inside.

For the people you connect to the same is true.

> I do want to communicate with, necessarily, complete strangers, in 
> a public way _inside Freenet_.
> As an aside: it is this, the open, virtual community of virtual 
> ID's which makes Freenet useful to me.
> I guess, this is what makes FN unique, its virtual community.

That’s one of the big strengths of Freenet, yes: Pseudonymous
communication.

> Reversely, I do not want anyone inside FN to get a hint of who I am 
> in real life.
> The two worlds must be separated, my security depends on it.

For my security, that’s not that essential, but I want to provide
that separation for people who really need it — and also for myself
should I need it at some point. There might be things I want to share
without connecting them to myself. I know that in school I had that need
of not wanting to have my classmates know what I do in my free time.

Or of not wanting some violent nutcrack or some violent sect to know my
real identity and harass me or my family for something I said in
Freenet.

In Germany there are few anti-nazi activists who stopped their activity
because their family got threatened, and in the US people get sent SWAT
teams to their home. Sadly the nazi have connections into our equivalent
to CIA/NSA, as evidenced by lots of documents about murder by nazis
disappearing or being "accidently" destroyed just days before parliament
should have received them.

> I may trust an other ID in FN to, for example publish software I 
> can trust to run.
> Just because over time, such an ID has proven to be worth this 
> trust.
> But but this trust can't be extended to exchange noderefs with 
> her/him.

That is exactly right. You can NEVER EVER exchange a noderef with
someone you only know from Freenet using a non-public ID when you want
to keep that ID separate from your real identity. Even if you know
someone with your public ID, you should not exchange noderefs with
him/her, because the chance to hit an attacker is much higher in Freenet 
than among your pre-existing real life friends and collegues.

> Nor can I trust a rl person with the fact I run Freenet, both cross 
> the line of keeping my Freenet ID separate from my real ID.
> It does not matter if I trust that person with all I got, this fact 
> I can not share.

Why is that? The fact that you run 

Re: [freenet-support] Rant for Opennet

[Anonymous]

On 08-May-16 7:35 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
>
> Anonymous Remailer (austria) writes:
>
>> Arne Babenhauserheide:
>> Is that a fact, am I on an 'open' Darknet, connected to Opennet
>> too, less vulnerable, also towards an evil 'friend'?
>
> You are just as vulnerable to friends as to opennet peers.
>
> With a darknet connection, you have at least one connection which
> requires social engineering to take over — instead of just requiring
> some servers.
>> Thanks for replying. I had not thought of separating real life
>> friends from FN 'friends', because I have understood exchanging
>> noderefs requires real-life trust in the other person. That trust
>> implies shared interests so we'd be friends on Freenet too.
>
> You might have shared interest, but that does not mean that you share
> all your interests.
>
> I generally use at least 3 different IDs:
> - Public. It carries my real name. My friends know it.
> - Semi-Private: My friends may know that it’s me.
> - Private: No one but me knows that it’s me.
>
>> I am not telling anyone I use Freenet, if only for the obvious
>> question why I need it.
>>
>> - Well, maybe I do not need it but I do feel anonymity and
>> encryption is important.
>> - Oh? For what?
>> - Protection against the all-seeing eyes of Google, NSA... for
>> which reasons I hate Facebook and so on.. technics are
>> interesting.. mail is very unsafe.. it's a rat race of encryption
>> against NSA spionage..
>> - Man what a bullshit. Ain't you got something better to do? For
>> that reason you run a complicated, slow network? I should encrypt
>> mails to you? The NSA is interested in our cracked programs?
>> - Yes they read everything.. all talks over phone are registered..
>> worldwide spy industry.. will you read wikileaks?
>> - Alu hat?
>
> ? Do you want your potential future employer to know everything we talk
> about and use that to screen applications? To you tell all your
> colleagues and family about every hobby you have? When you talk about
> it in the open, it’s just one security breakage of your online service
> from being public.

Reply would be: you're just too paranoia. Got nothing to hide.

>> I can't afford Freenet friends. Few understand, most don't want to
>> know any of this.
>>
>> Am I wrong that exchanging noderefs makes you more vulnerable
>> towards a 'friend', also more vulnerable over the net?
>> That person knows my IP adress, that I run a node and a lot about
>> the person I am in real life, because we should trust eachother.
>
> You only need to trust the other to not modify his/her node to spy on
> you. Since most people don’t have the skills to do that, the trust
> requirement isn’t that high.

It's indeed not, if my trust in the other would be enough. But it 
is not.

>> Our ID's on Freenet and our reallife id's are linked. But I can't
>> know what my friend does and hides from me. He can make me unsafe
>> for our shared 'secrets', even if there aren't any.
>
> That’s exactly what you should not do. Or rather: You create one ID per
> shared secret and keep these separate.

This is what I do--inside Freenet. I use more than one ID, keeping 
them separate.
The main reason is to diffuse the profile of the person I am.

>> Now nobody in real life knows that I run a node. My ISP and LE can
>> see it, but FN should be designed to keep them from knowing what I
>> talk about or who I am on Freenet. My reallife me is separated from
>> the FN 'me'. That feels more safe to me.
>>
>> Is that false logic?
>
> Sadly yes, because there are technical limitations to security: With
> Opennet, you must allow arbitrary people to connect to each other. So LE
> can, with reasonable effort, get many connections to you, even when all
> they know is that you use Freenet.
>
> With darknet, you only connect to people you know from elsewhere. To
> connect to you, LE has to actually trace down one or several of your
> friends and corrupt their computers without alerting you of that. They
> have to risk that one of your friends might tell you about their
> actions, and that’s a huge risk: If you learn about their attack, not
> only can you stop the attack, you will also be able to stop future
> attacks by staging up your operational security. Or eradicate any
> evidence they search for. And alert your other friends. Via darknet
> friend-to-friend messages which they cannot trace.

As it looks now, LE can ID files w/in FN, track what is downloaded 
or uploaded
but not yet prove w/o doubt what one node does.
It can be made 'likely' but not proven.

Every IP running FN is logged, each file inside FN is registered.
Still, there is no way identities can be linked to IP's.
This is the crux of why FN is needed. The separation of virtual and 
rl ID.

> Even having just a few darknet connections prevents attacks for which
> they would have to completely surround you (take over all your
> connections): Without help from the ISP they do not know your darknet
> peers, so they cannot block these 

Re: [freenet-support] Rant for Opennet

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Anonymous Remailer (austria) writes:

> Arne Babenhauserheide:
> Is that a fact, am I on an 'open' Darknet, connected to Opennet 
> too, less vulnerable, also towards an evil 'friend'?

You are just as vulnerable to friends as to opennet peers.

With a darknet connection, you have at least one connection which
requires social engineering to take over — instead of just requiring
some servers.
> Thanks for replying. I had not thought of separating real life 
> friends from FN 'friends', because I have understood exchanging 
> noderefs requires real-life trust in the other person. That trust 
> implies shared interests so we'd be friends on Freenet too.

You might have shared interest, but that does not mean that you share
all your interests.

I generally use at least 3 different IDs:
- Public. It carries my real name. My friends know it.
- Semi-Private: My friends may know that it’s me.
- Private: No one but me knows that it’s me.

> I am not telling anyone I use Freenet, if only for the obvious 
> question why I need it.
>
> - Well, maybe I do not need it but I do feel anonymity and 
> encryption is important.
> - Oh? For what?
> - Protection against the all-seeing eyes of Google, NSA... for 
> which reasons I hate Facebook and so on.. technics are 
> interesting.. mail is very unsafe.. it's a rat race of encryption 
> against NSA spionage..
> - Man what a bullshit. Ain't you got something better to do? For 
> that reason you run a complicated, slow network? I should encrypt 
> mails to you? The NSA is interested in our cracked programs?
> - Yes they read everything.. all talks over phone are registered.. 
> worldwide spy industry.. will you read wikileaks?
> - Alu hat?

→ Do you want your potential future employer to know everything we talk
  about and use that to screen applications? To you tell all your
  colleagues and family about every hobby you have? When you talk about
  it in the open, it’s just one security breakage of your online service
  from being public.

> I can't afford Freenet friends.  Few understand, most don't want to 
> know any of this.
>
> Am I wrong that exchanging noderefs makes you more vulnerable 
> towards a 'friend', also more vulnerable over the net?
> That person knows my IP adress, that I run a node and a lot about 
> the person I am in real life, because we should trust eachother.

You only need to trust the other to not modify his/her node to spy on
you. Since most people don’t have the skills to do that, the trust
requirement isn’t that high.

> Our ID's on Freenet and our reallife id's are linked. But I can't 
> know what my friend does and hides from me. He can make me unsafe 
> for our shared 'secrets', even if there aren't any.

That’s exactly what you should not do. Or rather: You create one ID per
shared secret and keep these separate.

> Now nobody in real life knows that I run a node. My ISP and LE can 
> see it, but FN should be designed to keep them from knowing what I 
> talk about or who I am on Freenet. My reallife me is separated from 
> the FN 'me'. That feels more safe to me.
>
> Is that false logic?

Sadly yes, because there are technical limitations to security: With
Opennet, you must allow arbitrary people to connect to each other. So LE
can, with reasonable effort, get many connections to you, even when all
they know is that you use Freenet.

With darknet, you only connect to people you know from elsewhere. To
connect to you, LE has to actually trace down one or several of your
friends and corrupt their computers without alerting you of that. They
have to risk that one of your friends might tell you about their
actions, and that’s a huge risk: If you learn about their attack, not
only can you stop the attack, you will also be able to stop future
attacks by staging up your operational security. Or eradicate any
evidence they search for. And alert your other friends. Via darknet
friend-to-friend messages which they cannot trace.

Even having just a few darknet connections prevents attacks for which
they would have to completely surround you (take over all your
connections): Without help from the ISP they do not know your darknet
peers, so they cannot block these connections by DoSing your friend.

Best wishes,
Arne
-- 
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ohne es zu merken


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[freenet-support] Rant for Opennet

[Anonymous Remailer (austria)]

Arne Babenhauserheide:
>
> This reasoning falls for 3 misconceptions:
>
> 1. You do not give your Darknet friends the key to your house. You only
> make it easier for them to break in by letting them see the insides
> as if they looked through the windows. In Opennet everybody can get a
> connection to you and run exactly the same attacks a darknet friend
> can run. So by switching to darknet, you pull down the blinds and
> *only* your Darknet friends can look through. With Opennet you do not
> have blids, so everyone can look through.

The logic of this escapes me. I'll explain below.

> 2. If you are doing things LE wants to know badly and they already know
> your physical identity, nothing can protect you. If they do not know
> your physical identity, they also do not know your friends. If they
> get to know your friends, they also get to know you, which gives them
> your IP address, allowing them to run all Opennet attacks against you
> — which are easier than darknet attacks.

Is that a fact, am I on an 'open' Darknet, connected to Opennet 
too, less vulnerable, also towards an evil 'friend'?

> 3. You do not give your Darknet friends your in-Freenet identities. To
> be safe you have to start a *new* identity in Freenet, without ties
> to people you know physically.



Thanks for replying. I had not thought of separating real life 
friends from FN 'friends', because I have understood exchanging 
noderefs requires real-life trust in the other person. That trust 
implies shared interests so we'd be friends on Freenet too.

I am not telling anyone I use Freenet, if only for the obvious 
question why I need it.

- Well, maybe I do not need it but I do feel anonymity and 
encryption is important.
- Oh? For what?
- Protection against the all-seeing eyes of Google, NSA... for 
which reasons I hate Facebook and so on.. technics are 
interesting.. mail is very unsafe.. it's a rat race of encryption 
against NSA spionage..
- Man what a bullshit. Ain't you got something better to do? For 
that reason you run a complicated, slow network? I should encrypt 
mails to you? The NSA is interested in our cracked programs?
- Yes they read everything.. all talks over phone are registered.. 
worldwide spy industry.. will you read wikileaks?
- Alu hat?

I can't afford Freenet friends.  Few understand, most don't want to 
know any of this.

Am I wrong that exchanging noderefs makes you more vulnerable 
towards a 'friend', also more vulnerable over the net?
That person knows my IP adress, that I run a node and a lot about 
the person I am in real life, because we should trust eachother.
Our ID's on Freenet and our reallife id's are linked. But I can't 
know what my friend does and hides from me. He can make me unsafe 
for our shared 'secrets', even if there aren't any.

Now nobody in real life knows that I run a node. My ISP and LE can 
see it, but FN should be designed to keep them from knowing what I 
talk about or who I am on Freenet. My reallife me is separated from 
the FN 'me'. That feels more safe to me.

Is that false logic?
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Re: [freenet-support] Rant for Opennet - was: How to hide IP when give out noderef?

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Hi,

> Say you've got one Freenet 'friend' you do trust with your IP address,
> and it's no problem he can see much of what you do because you trust
> him. … That friend you can actually trust and let him have the
> keys to your house?
…
> If you are doing things LE wants to know badly, chances are good your
> darknet will be infiltrated.
…
> These problems do not exist on Opennet because you can not be
> recognized as a real person, Frost/FMS/Sone identities can't be traced
> to your IP address.

This reasoning falls for 3 misconceptions:

1. You do not give your Darknet friends the key to your house. You only
   make it easier for them to break in by letting them see the insides
   as if they looked through the windows. In Opennet everybody can get a
   connection to you and run exactly the same attacks a darknet friend
   can run. So by switching to darknet, you pull down the blinds and
   *only* your Darknet friends can look through. With Opennet you do not
   have blids, so everyone can look through.

2. If you are doing things LE wants to know badly and they already know
   your physical identity, nothing can protect you. If they do not know
   your physical identity, they also do not know your friends. If they
   get to know your friends, they also get to know you, which gives them
   your IP address, allowing them to run all Opennet attacks against you
   — which are easier than darknet attacks.

3. You do not give your Darknet friends your in-Freenet identities. To
   be safe you have to start a *new* identity in Freenet, without ties
   to people you know physically.

Best wishes,
Arne

Anonymous Remailer (austria) writes:

> Moses wrote:
>
>>  wrote:
>>> On Thursday, April 21, 2016 03:20:07 PM Moses wrote:
 Hi,

 I trust my friend, but still not want them to see my IP directly on
 the freenet web page when I give them my noderef, how to prevent my IP
 display on their freenet?
>>>
>>> It is not technically possible to implement Darknet connections without
>>> revealing IP addresses: The purpose of Darknet connections is to establish a
>>> direct Internet connection between you and your friend, and direct 
>>> connections
>>> over the Internet work by using IP addresses.
> []
>
>> I trust my friends, I just want to hide my node's physical location
>> and keep my little privacy/anonymity. That's different. And consider a
>> extreme situation that if friends are questioned by police, If they do
>> not know, they would have nothing to tell. The best way to keep a
>> secret is not tell anybody. Anyway, if hide IP is not technically
>> possible, I will have to use a VPN or not adding any friend...
>
> Your reasoning is smart.
> If you have the skills to run a Freenet node from a masked IP 
> address,
> more power to you.
> Do not use Darknet though.
>
> Darknet is good for a secure intranet with one individual, or a few 
> you can trust
> with your wallet and the keys to your house.
>
> The big problem however is: you can't trust anyone.
> For a simple reason: can you know what exactly you trust them with?
> On top, the more people it's about, the more you should distrust 
> them.
>
> Say you've got one Freenet 'friend' you do trust with your IP 
> address,
> and it's no problem he can see much of what you do because you 
> trust him.
> But can you know what that trusted, for your business trusted 
> friend does?
> That friend you can actually trust and let him have the keys to 
> your house?
>
> Maybe he is doing completely unrelated, but dangerous things on 
> other networks,
> like bittorrent, maybe he does dangerous things on the open net.
> Maybe he is doing something in real life that will have his 
> computer confiscated.
> You are in trouble too if his computer is not bulletproof LE 
> resistant,
> or if he hands down his passwords.
> His friends connection may then be taken over by your friendly 
> officer, and he
> can now see way too much of you and everybody else in your 
> 'dark'net.
> Effectively you have given the friendly officer the keys to your 
> house now.
>
> To connect to the 'big Freenet', in order to insert/download public 
> files,
> publish/visit freesites everybody can see, at least one of your 
> 'friends'
> needs to connect to Opennet, the 'strangers' network.
>
> If you are doing things LE wants to know badly, chances are good 
> your darknet
> will be infiltrated.
>
> Darknet may seem more secure because traffic within a 'closed' 
> darknet can
> not easily be recognized as you running a Freenet node.
> But this provides a false security because of the problems just 
> described.
> These problems do not exist on Opennet because you can not be 
> recognized as
> a real person, Frost/FMS/Sone identities can't be traced to your IP 
> address.
> Also, files you download/insert, freesites and messages can not be 
> linked to your
> identities by a third party. This is the good news on the 
> distributed, decentralized
> peer 

[freenet-support] Rant for Opennet - was: How to hide IP when give out noderef?

[Anonymous Remailer (austria)]

Moses wrote:

>  wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 21, 2016 03:20:07 PM Moses wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I trust my friend, but still not want them to see my IP directly on
>>> the freenet web page when I give them my noderef, how to prevent my IP
>>> display on their freenet?
>>
>> It is not technically possible to implement Darknet connections without
>> revealing IP addresses: The purpose of Darknet connections is to establish a
>> direct Internet connection between you and your friend, and direct 
>> connections
>> over the Internet work by using IP addresses.
[]

> I trust my friends, I just want to hide my node's physical location
> and keep my little privacy/anonymity. That's different. And consider a
> extreme situation that if friends are questioned by police, If they do
> not know, they would have nothing to tell. The best way to keep a
> secret is not tell anybody. Anyway, if hide IP is not technically
> possible, I will have to use a VPN or not adding any friend...

Your reasoning is smart.
If you have the skills to run a Freenet node from a masked IP 
address,
more power to you.
Do not use Darknet though.

Darknet is good for a secure intranet with one individual, or a few 
you can trust
with your wallet and the keys to your house.

The big problem however is: you can't trust anyone.
For a simple reason: can you know what exactly you trust them with?
On top, the more people it's about, the more you should distrust 
them.

Say you've got one Freenet 'friend' you do trust with your IP 
address,
and it's no problem he can see much of what you do because you 
trust him.
But can you know what that trusted, for your business trusted 
friend does?
That friend you can actually trust and let him have the keys to 
your house?

Maybe he is doing completely unrelated, but dangerous things on 
other networks,
like bittorrent, maybe he does dangerous things on the open net.
Maybe he is doing something in real life that will have his 
computer confiscated.
You are in trouble too if his computer is not bulletproof LE 
resistant,
or if he hands down his passwords.
His friends connection may then be taken over by your friendly 
officer, and he
can now see way too much of you and everybody else in your 
'dark'net.
Effectively you have given the friendly officer the keys to your 
house now.

To connect to the 'big Freenet', in order to insert/download public 
files,
publish/visit freesites everybody can see, at least one of your 
'friends'
needs to connect to Opennet, the 'strangers' network.

If you are doing things LE wants to know badly, chances are good 
your darknet
will be infiltrated.

Darknet may seem more secure because traffic within a 'closed' 
darknet can
not easily be recognized as you running a Freenet node.
But this provides a false security because of the problems just 
described.
These problems do not exist on Opennet because you can not be 
recognized as
a real person, Frost/FMS/Sone identities can't be traced to your IP 
address.
Also, files you download/insert, freesites and messages can not be 
linked to your
identities by a third party. This is the good news on the 
distributed, decentralized
peer network Freenet is.
Freenet is pretty smart at hiding which node downloads a file, or 
inserts one.
In particular small files can't be traced because there is no time 
for an attacker
to 'see' it.


If you need anonymity, do not touch Darknet but stick to Opennet.
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[freenet-support] LE documents

[Anonymous]

In the Frost board 'freenet' an Anonymous posted a large collection 
of classified documents on projects, tactics and investigations of 
law enforcement, also on Freenet.

For your convenience, the message can be found on a freesite:

USK@sDg8r7Cc9lqtPBsPgn2gRGi9rEstwrVDcutExyqVE3A,tz-
fi3YwH~CVXjY8VyxgU~a4e2Loc0q6uS52WCaYGhM,AQACAAE/Cops/0/

Please take note, thanks.
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Re: [freenet-support] Moving freenet to another partition

[xor]

On Tuesday, September 08, 2015 03:55:25 PM Ivo Vegter wrote:
> To move freenet from /opt to /home, I followed the instructions here:
> https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Moving_an_Installation
> i.e. I changed all occurrences of /opt in freenet.ini to /home.
> 
> I use systemd, and updated the freenet.service file to reflect the new
> location. For good measure, I changed the freenet user's home directory
> from /opt/freenet to /home/freenet, too.
> 
> Systemd was unable to start freenet, however. The log says only that the
> main process exited with status 1 and the systemd unit consequently failed
> with result 'exit-code'. (Exact log below.)
> 
> I found more references to /opt in run.sh and wrapper.config, which
> suggests the above wiki page is incomplete, at best. I changed those
> occurrences too, but no luck.
> 
> Pls halp.
> ​
> ​Ivo​
> 
> ​LOG (note last 4 lines in particular):
> 
> Sep 08 15:19:27 myhost.mydomain sudo[26977]:myuser : TTY=pts/0 ;
> PWD=/home/freenet ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/systemctl start freenet
> Sep 08 15:19:27 myhost.mydomain sudo[26977]: pam_unix(sudo:session):
> session opened for user root by myuser(uid=0)
> Sep 08 15:19:27 myhost.mydomain systemd[1]: Starting Freenet...
> -- Subject: Unit freenet.service has begun start-up
> -- Defined-By: systemd
> -- Support: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
> --
> -- Unit freenet.service has begun starting up.
> Sep 08 15:19:27 myhost.mydomain polkitd[553]: Registered Authentication
> Agent for unix-process:26978:25862142 (system bus name :1.82
> [/usr/bin/pkttyagent --notify-fd 5 --fallback], object path
> /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/AuthenticationAgent, locale en_GB.UTF-8)
> Sep 08 15:19:32 myhost.mydomain run.sh[26983]: Starting Freenet done
> Sep 08 15:19:32 myhost.mydomain sudo[26977]: pam_unix(sudo:session):
> session closed for user root
> Sep 08 15:19:32 myhost.mydomain systemd[1]: Started Freenet.
> -- Subject: Unit freenet.service has finished start-up
> -- Defined-By: systemd
> -- Support: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
> --
> -- Unit freenet.service has finished starting up.
> --
> -- The start-up result is done.
> Sep 08 15:19:32 myhost.mydomain polkitd[553]: Unregistered Authentication
> Agent for unix-process:26978:25862142 (system bus name :1.82, object path
> /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/AuthenticationAgent, locale en_GB.UTF-8)
> (disconnected from bus)
> Sep 08 15:19:33 myhost.mydomain systemd[1]: freenet.service: Main process
> exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
> Sep 08 15:19:33 myhost.mydomain run.sh[27031]: Freenet is not running.
> Sep 08 15:19:33 myhost.mydomain systemd[1]: freenet.service: Unit entered
> failed state.
> Sep 08 15:19:33 myhost.mydomain systemd[1]: freenet.service: Failed with
> result 'exit-code'.

(Sorry for the late answer, support is dealt with by volunteers, and nobody 
seemed to notice your mail back then.)

Please search your system for a file called "wrapper.log", the last few lines 
should tell why Freenet crashed.

Please review them for private information before sending them to this list.

Also, please tell us:
- which OS you are using
- how you installed Freenet, for example did you use one of the OS's packages?


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Re: [freenet-support] Uninstall problem

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On Wednesday, September 09, 2015 09:23:05 PM lmacrock . wrote:
> Hello all, I uninstalled freenet, but my hard drive  is still being
> accessed. I did not use the uninstall tab on the freenet site, for I really
> did not know it was there. any and all help would be great.

(Sorry for the late answer, support is dealt with by volunteers, and nobody 
seemed to notice your mail back then.)

You say you did not use the regular uninstaller.
What do you mean by "I uninstalled freenet" then?

Which operating system are you using?

What do you mean by "my hard drive  is still being accessed"?
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Re: [freenet-support] How to hide IP when give out noderef?

[Moses]

I trust my friends, I just want to hide my node's physical location
and keep my little privacy/anonymity. That's different. And consider a
extreme situation that if friends are questioned by police, If they do
not know, they would have nothing to tell. The best way to keep a
secret is not tell anybody. Anyway, if hide IP is not technically
possible, I will have to use a VPN or not adding any friend...



On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 1:49 AM,   wrote:
> On Thursday, April 21, 2016 03:20:07 PM Moses wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I trust my friend, but still not want them to see my IP directly on
>> the freenet web page when I give them my noderef, how to prevent my IP
>> display on their freenet?
>
> It is not technically possible to implement Darknet connections without
> revealing IP addresses: The purpose of Darknet connections is to establish a
> direct Internet connection between you and your friend, and direct connections
> over the Internet work by using IP addresses.
>
> We could of course hide it from the user interface, but that would only
> prevent inexperienced users from figuring out what the IP is. Anyone with some
> technical knowhow could figure it out using standard tools for network
> monitoring; or even standard Freenet tools for viewing raw data of Freenet ARK
> addresses.
>
> If you are concerned that your friend is malicious enough towards you to
> attack you using your IP, perhaps reconsider whether you trust this person to
> be a friend :(
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