Re: question about sessions, cookies, and permissions

[Daniel]

LMH wrote:

Daniel wrote:





The "use every time" check box refers to the "cookie permission rule"
and not to the cookie itself.

When you have cookie expiration set to "ask for each cookie", a prompt
box appears every time a site tries to set a cookie. There are three
buttons to choose from.

1. allow
2. allow for session
3. block

There is also a check box "use my choice for all cookies from this site"

If you check the "use my choice for all cookies from this site" check
box, a rule is created in the data manager under the domain that
attempted to set the cookie. If you select "allow" and "use for all",
you will never get asked again. Every time you go to that site, the rule
is applied instead of prompting you for what to do. If you look in your
cookie manager, you will find hundreds of rules for domains. Most of
these are set to block a site from setting cookies.

It is these rules that seem to be Disappearing. If I close SM and open
it again, when I open my browser I find no cookie rule for the google
domain what so ever. There is a "never save" passwords rule, but nothing
for cookies. If I go to google and select "allow for session" and "use
for all", there will be an entry in the cookie manager showing this
rule. If I close SM and open again, the rule is gone and I have to
manually set the cookie permissions for google again.

This is absolutely new behavior. I have been using SM since it was
mozilla, and ever since session cookies were introduced, I have been
doing things more or less the same way.

Even if I manually add a rule in the data manager, it is not there after
I close and reopen SM. It is the cookies that expire at the end of the
session, not the rules you create for cookie permissions.

LMH



LMH, the only thing (to me) then is that your changes are not being 
saved!! Could you check to see if some file in your set-up/profile is 
set to "Read Only"??  Maybe Prefs.js or thereabouts!!


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Re: question about sessions, cookies, and permissions

[LMH]

Daniel wrote:

LMH wrote:

Richard Tasker wrote:

LMH wrote:

What exactly constitutes a session? When I open seamonkey, I have it
set to open the email window. If I open the browser
window, close the browser, and open it again, it would appear that
this is still the same session. Session only cookies
are still present, even though the browser has been opened and closed.
Is it necessary to close the entire SM
application, or switch users, to create a new session?

Also, my cookie permissions seem to be disappearing. I use google as
my home page. When I open my browser, I get a
prompt to set a cookie. I select, "allow for session", and check the
"use every time" check box, but every time I open
my browser I get the same prompt asking if that cookie can be set. I
also get a cookie request from id.google.com. I set
this to "block" and "use every time", but I get that request ever time
I open my browser as well.

LMH


You do have to close everything to end a session.

RET


Any idea as to why my cookie permissions are disappearing? If I click on
"allow for session" and "use every time", I still get these prompts the
next time I visit the site (if I have closed out SM between visits). I
looked in the cookie permissions and the entry for the domain is missing.

1. open SM and log into a profile
2. open the browser
3. go to google.com
4. I get a permission request to set a cookie
5. select "allow for session" and "use every time"
6. these permissions are now in the data manager under google.com
7. close seamonkey
8. open SM and log into a profile
9. open the browser
10. open the data manager
11. there is no longer any cookie permissions entry for google.com
12. go to google.com
13. same cookie requests as before

It would appear is if the cookie permissions are being deleted when the
session cookie expires, which defeated the purpose of "use every time".
This is happening with sites other than google as well.

My overall settings under Preferences > Privacy and Security are,
Allow cookies from originating site only
Ask for each cookie, except session cookies

This page has changed a bit over time. I would like to be prompted for
each cookie, but I would like the permissions to stay in place so I
don't have to re-set them every time I visit every site. This has always
worked well, so either something has changed and I don't understand the
settings, or there is a bug.

LMH




LMH, it seems to me that whilst you have any part of SeaMonkey open,
then a session cookie should still be in force...but, then again, as
cookies only apply in the browser (I think), maybe a session is only
whilst the browser is open!!

If you are accepting a cookie for "a session only", what can you "use
every time"?? The next time you go there, there is nothing to use!!



The "use every time" check box refers to the "cookie permission rule" 
and not to the cookie itself.


When you have cookie expiration set to "ask for each cookie", a prompt 
box appears every time a site tries to set a cookie. There are three 
buttons to choose from.


1. allow
2. allow for session
3. block

There is also a check box "use my choice for all cookies from this site"

If you check the "use my choice for all cookies from this site" check 
box, a rule is created in the data manager under the domain that 
attempted to set the cookie. If you select "allow" and "use for all", 
you will never get asked again. Every time you go to that site, the rule 
is applied instead of prompting you for what to do. If you look in your 
cookie manager, you will find hundreds of rules for domains. Most of 
these are set to block a site from setting cookies.


It is these rules that seem to be Disappearing. If I close SM and open 
it again, when I open my browser I find no cookie rule for the google 
domain what so ever. There is a "never save" passwords rule, but nothing 
for cookies. If I go to google and select "allow for session" and "use 
for all", there will be an entry in the cookie manager showing this 
rule. If I close SM and open again, the rule is gone and I have to 
manually set the cookie permissions for google again.


This is absolutely new behavior. I have been using SM since it was 
mozilla, and ever since session cookies were introduced, I have been 
doing things more or less the same way.


Even if I manually add a rule in the data manager, it is not there after 
I close and reopen SM. It is the cookies that expire at the end of the 
session, not the rules you create for cookie permissions.


LMH

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Re: question about sessions, cookies, and permissions

[Daniel]

LMH wrote:

Richard Tasker wrote:

LMH wrote:

What exactly constitutes a session? When I open seamonkey, I have it
set to open the email window. If I open the browser
window, close the browser, and open it again, it would appear that
this is still the same session. Session only cookies
are still present, even though the browser has been opened and closed.
Is it necessary to close the entire SM
application, or switch users, to create a new session?

Also, my cookie permissions seem to be disappearing. I use google as
my home page. When I open my browser, I get a
prompt to set a cookie. I select, "allow for session", and check the
"use every time" check box, but every time I open
my browser I get the same prompt asking if that cookie can be set. I
also get a cookie request from id.google.com. I set
this to "block" and "use every time", but I get that request ever time
I open my browser as well.

LMH


You do have to close everything to end a session.

RET


Any idea as to why my cookie permissions are disappearing? If I click on
"allow for session" and "use every time", I still get these prompts the
next time I visit the site (if I have closed out SM between visits). I
looked in the cookie permissions and the entry for the domain is missing.

1. open SM and log into a profile
2. open the browser
3. go to google.com
4. I get a permission request to set a cookie
5. select "allow for session" and "use every time"
6. these permissions are now in the data manager under google.com
7. close seamonkey
8. open SM and log into a profile
9. open the browser
10. open the data manager
11. there is no longer any cookie permissions entry for google.com
12. go to google.com
13. same cookie requests as before

It would appear is if the cookie permissions are being deleted when the
session cookie expires, which defeated the purpose of "use every time".
This is happening with sites other than google as well.

My overall settings under Preferences > Privacy and Security are,
Allow cookies from originating site only
Ask for each cookie, except session cookies

This page has changed a bit over time. I would like to be prompted for
each cookie, but I would like the permissions to stay in place so I
don't have to re-set them every time I visit every site. This has always
worked well, so either something has changed and I don't understand the
settings, or there is a bug.

LMH




LMH, it seems to me that whilst you have any part of SeaMonkey open, 
then a session cookie should still be in force...but, then again, as 
cookies only apply in the browser (I think), maybe a session is only 
whilst the browser is open!!


If you are accepting a cookie for "a session only", what can you "use 
every time"?? The next time you go there, there is nothing to use!!


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Re: question about sessions, cookies, and permissions

[LMH]

Richard Tasker wrote:

LMH wrote:

What exactly constitutes a session? When I open seamonkey, I have it
set to open the email window. If I open the browser
window, close the browser, and open it again, it would appear that
this is still the same session. Session only cookies
are still present, even though the browser has been opened and closed.
Is it necessary to close the entire SM
application, or switch users, to create a new session?

Also, my cookie permissions seem to be disappearing. I use google as
my home page. When I open my browser, I get a
prompt to set a cookie. I select, "allow for session", and check the
"use every time" check box, but every time I open
my browser I get the same prompt asking if that cookie can be set. I
also get a cookie request from id.google.com. I set
this to "block" and "use every time", but I get that request ever time
I open my browser as well.

LMH


You do have to close everything to end a session.

RET


Any idea as to why my cookie permissions are disappearing? If I click on 
"allow for session" and "use every time", I still get these prompts the 
next time I visit the site (if I have closed out SM between visits). I 
looked in the cookie permissions and the entry for the domain is missing.


1. open SM and log into a profile
2. open the browser
3. go to google.com
4. I get a permission request to set a cookie
5. select "allow for session" and "use every time"
6. these permissions are now in the data manager under google.com
7. close seamonkey
8. open SM and log into a profile
9. open the browser
10. open the data manager
11. there is no longer any cookie permissions entry for google.com
12. go to google.com
13. same cookie requests as before

It would appear is if the cookie permissions are being deleted when the 
session cookie expires, which defeated the purpose of "use every time". 
This is happening with sites other than google as well.


My overall settings under Preferences > Privacy and Security are,
Allow cookies from originating site only
Ask for each cookie, except session cookies

This page has changed a bit over time. I would like to be prompted for 
each cookie, but I would like the permissions to stay in place so I 
don't have to re-set them every time I visit every site. This has always 
worked well, so either something has changed and I don't understand the 
settings, or there is a bug.


LMH


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Re: question about sessions, cookies, and permissions

[LMH]

Richard Tasker wrote:

LMH wrote:

What exactly constitutes a session? When I open seamonkey, I have it
set to open the email window. If I open the browser
window, close the browser, and open it again, it would appear that
this is still the same session. Session only cookies
are still present, even though the browser has been opened and closed.
Is it necessary to close the entire SM
application, or switch users, to create a new session?

Also, my cookie permissions seem to be disappearing. I use google as
my home page. When I open my browser, I get a
prompt to set a cookie. I select, "allow for session", and check the
"use every time" check box, but every time I open
my browser I get the same prompt asking if that cookie can be set. I
also get a cookie request from id.google.com. I set
this to "block" and "use every time", but I get that request ever time
I open my browser as well.

LMH


You do have to close everything to end a session.

RET


Any idea as to why my cookie permissions are disappearing? If I click on 
"allow for session" and "use every time", I still get these prompts the 
next time I visit the site (if I have closed out SM between visits). I 
looked in the cookie permissions and the entry for the domain is missing.


1. open SM and log into a profile
2. open the browser
3. go to google.com
4. I get a permission request to set a cookie
5. select "allow for session" and "use every time"
6. these permissions are now in the data manager under google.com
7. close seamonkey
8. open SM and log into a profile
9. open the browser
10. open the data manager
11. there is no longer any cookie permissions entry for google.com
12. go to google.com
13. same cookie requests as before

It would appear is if the cookie permissions are being deleted when the 
session cookie expires, which defeated the purpose of "use every time". 
This is happening with sites other than google as well.


My overall settings under Preferences > Privacy and Security are,
Allow cookies from originating site only
Ask for each cookie, except session cookies

This page has changed a bit over time. I would like to be prompted for 
each cookie, but I would like the permissions to stay in place so I 
don't have to re-set them every time I visit every site. This has always 
worked well, so either something has changed and I don't understand the 
settings, or there is a bug.


LMH


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Re: question about sessions, cookies, and permissions

[Richard Tasker]

LMH wrote:

What exactly constitutes a session? When I open seamonkey, I have it set to 
open the email window. If I open the browser
window, close the browser, and open it again, it would appear that this is 
still the same session. Session only cookies
are still present, even though the browser has been opened and closed. Is it 
necessary to close the entire SM
application, or switch users, to create a new session?

Also, my cookie permissions seem to be disappearing. I use google as my home 
page. When I open my browser, I get a
prompt to set a cookie. I select, "allow for session", and check the "use every 
time" check box, but every time I open
my browser I get the same prompt asking if that cookie can be set. I also get a 
cookie request from id.google.com. I set
this to "block" and "use every time", but I get that request ever time I open 
my browser as well.

LMH


You do have to close everything to end a session.

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question about sessions, cookies, and permissions

[LMH]

What exactly constitutes a session? When I open seamonkey, I have it set 
to open the email window. If I open the browser window, close the 
browser, and open it again, it would appear that this is still the same 
session. Session only cookies are still present, even though the browser 
has been opened and closed. Is it necessary to close the entire SM 
application, or switch users, to create a new session?


Also, my cookie permissions seem to be disappearing. I use google as my 
home page. When I open my browser, I get a prompt to set a cookie. I 
select, "allow for session", and check the "use every time" check box, 
but every time I open my browser I get the same prompt asking if that 
cookie can be set. I also get a cookie request from id.google.com. I set 
this to "block" and "use every time", but I get that request ever time I 
open my browser as well.


LMH
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Re: Question about C:\Users\\AppData\Local\Mozilla

[Ray_Net]

Ed Mullen wrote, On 10/10/2012 05:42:

Ray_Net wrote:

When SM is not running may i remove the
C:\Users\\AppData\Local\Mozilla\ directory ?


Why?


ok, i have badly written my question.
I will pass SM from an XP machine to a new Win7 machine.
using the following steps: suppose the user on the old XP machine is RAY 
and the same user on the news Win7 machine is RZ:

1. Stop SM  freshly new installed on the new Win7 machine.
2 Change 
C:\Users\RZ\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\.default\ 
directory
as 
C:\Users\RZ\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\ORIGINAL.default\ 
directory
3. Copy the C:\Documents and Settings\RAY\Application 
Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\.default\ directory(and 
subdirectories) content
AS 
C:\Users\RZ\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\.default\ 
directory(and subdirectories) content


I suppose that i don't care about the content of the 
C:\Users\\AppData\Local\Mozilla\ directory.
If this is true, i was thinking that i can remove this directory with no 
harm.

My question was just to confirm my thinking - not doing it.
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Re: Question about C:\Users\\AppData\Local\Mozilla

[Ed Mullen]

Ray_Net wrote:

When SM is not running may i remove the
C:\Users\\AppData\Local\Mozilla\ directory ?


Why?

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Question about C:\Users\\AppData\Local\Mozilla

[Ray_Net]

When SM is not running may i remove the  
C:\Users\\AppData\Local\Mozilla\ directory ?

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Re: [Linux] APT protocol registration: was Re: Another Ubuntu question (sorry)

[Cruz, Jaime]

NoOp wrote:

On 09/28/2012 03:30 PM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Paddlefoot wrote:

NoOp wrote:



I find this whole thing chillingly unsecure.



I agree.  I feel a little more secure with it launching the Software
Center where I can see what it is I'm installing and decide to go
through with it or not.



I can't say that I disagree without digging into the code and looking at
wireshark. But I reckon if there were/are any serious security issues:
1) Ubuntu probablyly wouldn't allow it in their repositories:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=apturl
and 2) such issue would show up on:
   https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bugs
http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/apturl.html

As for the "Software Center"... I prefer a terminal or synaptic. Anyway,
I suppose & it's not mine to judge: I just provided you with the
information you requested. It's up to you to determine if you want to
use it.



I appreciate the information.  I guess years of being a Windoze user has 
made me rather paranoid...




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Re: [Linux] APT protocol registration: was Re: Another Ubuntu question (sorry)

[NoOp]

On 09/28/2012 03:30 PM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:
> Paddlefoot wrote:
>> NoOp wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I find this whole thing chillingly unsecure.
>>
> 
> I agree.  I feel a little more secure with it launching the Software 
> Center where I can see what it is I'm installing and decide to go 
> through with it or not.
> 

I can't say that I disagree without digging into the code and looking at
wireshark. But I reckon if there were/are any serious security issues:
1) Ubuntu probablyly wouldn't allow it in their repositories:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=apturl
and 2) such issue would show up on:
  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bugs
   http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/apturl.html

As for the "Software Center"... I prefer a terminal or synaptic. Anyway,
I suppose & it's not mine to judge: I just provided you with the
information you requested. It's up to you to determine if you want to
use it.





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Re: [Linux] APT protocol registration: was Re: Another Ubuntu question (sorry)

[Cruz, Jaime]

Paddlefoot wrote:

NoOp wrote:



I find this whole thing chillingly unsecure.



I agree.  I feel a little more secure with it launching the Software 
Center where I can see what it is I'm installing and decide to go 
through with it or not.


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Re: [Linux] APT protocol registration: was Re: Another Ubuntu question (sorry)

[Paddlefoot]

NoOp wrote:



I find this whole thing chillingly unsecure.

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[Linux] APT protocol registration: was Re: Another Ubuntu question (sorry)

[NoOp]

On 09/23/2012 11:51 AM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:
> Cruz, Jaime wrote:
...
>> What it apparently wants to do is launch the Ubuntu Software Center to
>> do the install.  I did the changes suggested by WaltS in an earlier
>> thread and now it's prompting me for which application it should launch.
>> Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to tell it to launch the Software
>> Center.
>>
>> Chrome was able to figure it out, but I can't seem to see the settings
>> it is using... no way to list "Helper Apps" that I can see in that browser.
>>
> 
> FOUND IT!!  /usr/bin/software-center
> 
> It's all working now.  Thanks for the hints and assistance.
> 

I see you got it working. However if you change to another profile you
will need to do it all again. An easy way to get around this is to add
the registration in your user.js file in your profile directory.

First install apturl:

$ sudo apt-get install apturl

Add the following to your existing user.js if you already have one, if
not open gedit and paste, then save as user.js in your seamonkey profile
directory (~/.mozilla/seamonkey//user.js:


# register protocol:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Register_protocol#Firefox_3.5_and_above
# network.protocol-handler.expose.foo -> Value -> false
# network.protocol-handler.external.foo -> Value -> true
# network.protocol-handler.app.foo -> Value -> /path/to/app

pref("network.protocol-handler.expose.apt",false);
pref("network.protocol-handler.external.apt",true);
pref("network.protocol-handler.app.apt","/usr/bin/apturl");


Note: the first line is all one line & the first 4 lines are comments so
that you'll remember where you got the information from & the format.

You can do the same for your non-ubuntu firefox profile(s).

Remove any 'apt' that you hand installed in about:config (right click
and click reset). Restart SeaMonkey/Firefox with the user.js in the
profile directory. When you click on an apturl you'll be prompted for
the application. Click 'browse' and 'File System' and then to /usr/bin
scroll down & click on 'apturl' (full path is as above: /usr/bin/apturl.
Tick the box to 'always use this application' & you're good to go.

That way you won't need to mess with the Ubuntu software center & when
you click on an apt: you'll get prompted for your password &
the install will proceed.

Note: the Ubuntu packaged Firefox & SeaMonkey include a extension called
'ubufox'. That extension (which is the first one I always disable) adds
the 'apt' protocol settngs by default.

You might also find this of interest (recommended by the Ubuntu apt wiki
- ):

http://appnr.com/
 be sure to see:
   http://blog.appnr.com/about/ http://blog.appnr.com/privacy/

I can't vouch for the site - I just found it from the wiki. I did test
by installing Amarok (using SeaMonkey of course) & it worked fine; goes
to the ubuntu repository, downloads & installs if from there.

As with all applications of this type, use the apt protocol & apturl at
your own risk. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bugs

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Re: Another Ubuntu question (sorry)

[Cruz, Jaime]

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS wrote:


On 09/22/2012 07:26 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:


I just discovered this website:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-12-04



Whenever I click on any of the links, I get:
Unknown Protocol: apt is not a registered protocol

I can only assume (since I've already deleted it) that it was
registered
in the included version of Firefox. Can someone clue me in as to
how to
get this working with Seamonkey?


Seems like a wrong-headed approach, since apt really is not a valid
protocol, and registering it shouldn't fix anything.

All the links I see on that page begin with http, as they should.

So it seems logical to ask how your installation got the idea in its
head to look for apt... Is something substituting "apt" for "http"?



Here is a sample of the code from the source.

3. Install Media Codecs
...
Click
to Install Third-Party Codecs 


Quite right. I withdraw my objection. I overlooked those.



What it apparently wants to do is launch the Ubuntu Software Center to
do the install.  I did the changes suggested by WaltS in an earlier
thread and now it's prompting me for which application it should launch.
Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to tell it to launch the Software
Center.

Chrome was able to figure it out, but I can't seem to see the settings
it is using... no way to list "Helper Apps" that I can see in that browser.



FOUND IT!!  /usr/bin/software-center

It's all working now.  Thanks for the hints and assistance.

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Re: Another Ubuntu question (sorry)

[Cruz, Jaime]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS wrote:


On 09/22/2012 07:26 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:


I just discovered this website:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-12-04


Whenever I click on any of the links, I get:
Unknown Protocol: apt is not a registered protocol

I can only assume (since I've already deleted it) that it was
registered
in the included version of Firefox. Can someone clue me in as to how to
get this working with Seamonkey?


Seems like a wrong-headed approach, since apt really is not a valid
protocol, and registering it shouldn't fix anything.

All the links I see on that page begin with http, as they should.

So it seems logical to ask how your installation got the idea in its
head to look for apt... Is something substituting "apt" for "http"?



Here is a sample of the code from the source.

3. Install Media Codecs
...
Click
to Install Third-Party Codecs 


Quite right. I withdraw my objection. I overlooked those.



What it apparently wants to do is launch the Ubuntu Software Center to 
do the install.  I did the changes suggested by WaltS in an earlier 
thread and now it's prompting me for which application it should launch. 
Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to tell it to launch the Software 
Center.


Chrome was able to figure it out, but I can't seem to see the settings 
it is using... no way to list "Helper Apps" that I can see in that browser.


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Re: Another Ubuntu question (sorry)

[Paul B. Gallagher]

WaltS wrote:


On 09/22/2012 07:26 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:


I just discovered this website:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-12-04

Whenever I click on any of the links, I get:
Unknown Protocol: apt is not a registered protocol

I can only assume (since I've already deleted it) that it was registered
in the included version of Firefox. Can someone clue me in as to how to
get this working with Seamonkey?


Seems like a wrong-headed approach, since apt really is not a valid
protocol, and registering it shouldn't fix anything.

All the links I see on that page begin with http, as they should.

So it seems logical to ask how your installation got the idea in its
head to look for apt... Is something substituting "apt" for "http"?



Here is a sample of the code from the source.

3. Install Media Codecs
...
Click
to Install Third-Party Codecs 


Quite right. I withdraw my objection. I overlooked those.

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Re: Another Ubuntu question (sorry)

[WaltS]

On 09/22/2012 07:26 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:


I just discovered this website:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-12-04


Whenever I click on any of the links, I get:
Unknown Protocol: apt is not a registered protocol

I can only assume (since I've already deleted it) that it was registered
in the included version of Firefox. Can someone clue me in as to how to
get this working with Seamonkey?


Seems like a wrong-headed approach, since apt really is not a valid
protocol, and registering it shouldn't fix anything.

All the links I see on that page begin with http, as they should.

So it seems logical to ask how your installation got the idea in its
head to look for apt... Is something substituting "apt" for "http"?



Here is a sample of the code from the source.

3. Install Media Codecs
If you plan on listening to your music library or watching films in 
Ubuntu then you'll need to have the necessary codecs installed.
For legal reasons Ubuntu can't provide these 'out of the box&', but 
the installer does offer to install them during set-up.
If you didn't check that box during installation it's no biggy: hit 
the button below to begin installation of the most common codecs through 
the Ubuntu Software Centre.
href="apt:gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly,gstreamer0.10-plugins-ffmpeg">Click 
to Install Third-Party Codecs 



In openSUSE "One Click" installs download a .ymp file which you then run 
to download and install.


I haven't tried it in Fedora.
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Re: Another Ubuntu question (sorry)

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Cruz, Jaime wrote:


I just discovered this website:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-12-04

Whenever I click on any of the links, I get:
Unknown Protocol: apt is not a registered protocol

I can only assume (since I've already deleted it) that it was registered
in the included version of Firefox. Can someone clue me in as to how to
get this working with Seamonkey?


Seems like a wrong-headed approach, since apt really is not a valid 
protocol, and registering it shouldn't fix anything.


All the links I see on that page begin with http, as they should.

So it seems logical to ask how your installation got the idea in its 
head to look for apt... Is something substituting "apt" for "http"?


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Re: Another Ubuntu question (sorry)

[Cruz, Jaime]

WaltS wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

I just discovered this website:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-12-04


Whenever I click on any of the links, I get:
Unknown Protocol: apt is not a registered protocol

I can only assume (since I've already deleted it) that it was registered
in the included version of Firefox. Can someone clue me in as to how to
get this working with Seamonkey?



Not working with Firefox either, but I got it to register in SeaMonkey
following the instructions for Firefox 3.5 and above, found here.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Register_protocol

Now it comes up with the Launch Application popup and asks you to Chose
an Application to open the file. I have no idea what that application
might be.

I never use the one-click installs, but do it the geeky, nerdy way, by
installing the application from the software management application,
which usually finds all the dependencies, and installs them.

Hopefully a Ubuntu guru will be more helpful.



Well, I tried it with Chrome, and it launched the Ubuntu Software 
Center.  Unfortunately, I have NO idea how to define that to Seamonkey 
using the website you provided as I have no idea what the program name 
is, or where it resides. I'm not yet familiar enough with the Unity 
interface to figure out where all that information resides and 
right-clicking on the icon doesn't bring up a "Properties" notebook as 
it does under Windows... HELP!



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Re: Another Ubuntu question (sorry)

[Cruz, Jaime]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:


I just discovered this website:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-

ubuntu-12-04


Whenever I click on any of the links, I get: Unknown Protocol: apt is
not a registered protocol


Nothing like that for me with Firefox 15.0.1 or SeaMonkey 2.11. Both,
along with Opera and IceCat, show the page as expected.

Further, I don't know if I would spend valuable time listening to a blog
whose author 1) has a problem with homophones ("reigns" instead of
"reins") and more importantly, 2) recommends Google Chrome instead of
Chromium.

"Google will, instead, be taking over the reigns, .."   :-/

The rest of the advice is common stuff newbies would be interested in. My
wife uses Chromium and never has any problems with it.



What he states is actually factual... the only way you'll get a current 
version of Flash on Linux is with Chrome.  I've already seen a few 
Flash-based games that don't work under Seamonkey, but work just fine in 
Chrome. In fact; I was wondering why that should be, because they all 
work fine under Seamonkey on Windows, until I read that page. Now I 
understand.



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Re: Another Ubuntu question (sorry)

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

> I just discovered this website:
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-
ubuntu-12-04
> 
> Whenever I click on any of the links, I get: Unknown Protocol: apt is
> not a registered protocol

Nothing like that for me with Firefox 15.0.1 or SeaMonkey 2.11. Both, 
along with Opera and IceCat, show the page as expected.

Further, I don't know if I would spend valuable time listening to a blog 
whose author 1) has a problem with homophones ("reigns" instead of 
"reins") and more importantly, 2) recommends Google Chrome instead of 
Chromium.

"Google will, instead, be taking over the reigns, .."   :-/

The rest of the advice is common stuff newbies would be interested in. My 
wife uses Chromium and never has any problems with it.

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Re: Another Ubuntu question (sorry)

[WaltS]

Cruz, Jaime wrote:
> I just discovered this website:
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-12-04
> 
> 
> Whenever I click on any of the links, I get:
> Unknown Protocol: apt is not a registered protocol
> 
> I can only assume (since I've already deleted it) that it was registered
> in the included version of Firefox. Can someone clue me in as to how to
> get this working with Seamonkey?
> 

Not working with Firefox either, but I got it to register in SeaMonkey
following the instructions for Firefox 3.5 and above, found here.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Register_protocol

Now it comes up with the Launch Application popup and asks you to Chose
an Application to open the file. I have no idea what that application
might be.

I never use the one-click installs, but do it the geeky, nerdy way, by
installing the application from the software management application,
which usually finds all the dependencies, and installs them.

Hopefully a Ubuntu guru will be more helpful.

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Another Ubuntu question (sorry)

[Cruz, Jaime]

I just discovered this website:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-12-04

Whenever I click on any of the links, I get:
Unknown Protocol: apt is not a registered protocol

I can only assume (since I've already deleted it) that it was registered 
in the included version of Firefox. Can someone clue me in as to how to 
get this working with Seamonkey?


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Re: Question about newsgroup message filters

[Hartmut Figge]

chicagofan:

>P.S. - Keep a watch out for another plea for me so far I can't find the 
>right files.  I'm new to Win 7 and 
>absolutely detest it!!!   I can't find *anything* any more.  I want my XP 
>back!!!   ;) I found a profile file 8 
>levels deep... but it's not what I am looking for.   :(

Your profile can be found by about:support and clicking on 'Open
Directory' for 'Profile Directory'. Once you have discovered your
profile you should be able to find the subdirectory News.

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Re: Question about newsgroup message filters

[chicagofan]

chicagofan wrote:

Hartmut Figge wrote:

chicagofan:

Is there a file identified as the filters, or do you have to copy everything 
that is in .dat?

Each newsgroup has its own filters in a file with the suffix dat. For
example the filters for de.test are contained in the file de.test.dat.


Hartmut


Thanks so much, Hartmut!   I have one newsgroup that can't be easily read without a 100 or so filters, and it's so 
time consuming to rebuild that file, every time something messes up the news server message numbering system.   :)

bj


P.S. - Keep a watch out for another plea for me so far I can't find the right files.  I'm new to Win 7 and 
absolutely detest it!!!   I can't find *anything* any more.  I want my XP back!!!   ;) I found a profile file 8 
levels deep... but it's not what I am looking for.   :(

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Re: Question about newsgroup message filters

[chicagofan]

Hartmut Figge wrote:

chicagofan:

Is there a file identified as the filters, or do you have to copy everything 
that is in .dat?

Each newsgroup has its own filters in a file with the suffix dat. For
example the filters for de.test are contained in the file de.test.dat.


Hartmut


Thanks so much, Hartmut!   I have one newsgroup that can't be easily read without a 100 or so filters, and it's so time 
consuming to rebuild that file, every time something messes up the news server message numbering system.   :)

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Re: Question about newsgroup message filters

[Hartmut Figge]

chicagofan:

>Is there a file identified as the filters, or do you have to copy everything 
>that is in .dat?

Each newsgroup has its own filters in a file with the suffix dat. For
example the filters for de.test are contained in the file de.test.dat.


Hartmut
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Re: Question about newsgroup message filters

[chicagofan]

Hartmut Figge wrote:

chicagofan:

I am still using SM 2.8.  Is there a file for message *filters* by newsgroup, 
that could be copied to another news server?

If so, could someone tell me it's location and the process?  If I knew the 
locations, would it just be a cut and paste
operation?:)   TIA.

[Profile]/News/[Newsserver]/[Newsgroup].dat

Since you are on Win you may have to replace '/' with '\'. ;)

Hartmut


Is there a file identified as the filters, or do you have to copy everything 
that is in .dat?
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Re: Question about newsgroup message filters

[Hartmut Figge]

chicagofan:
>I am still using SM 2.8.  Is there a file for message *filters* by newsgroup, 
>that could be copied to another news server?
>
>If so, could someone tell me it's location and the process?  If I knew the 
>locations, would it just be a cut and paste 
>operation?:)   TIA.

[Profile]/News/[Newsserver]/[Newsgroup].dat

Since you are on Win you may have to replace '/' with '\'. ;)

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Question about newsgroup message filters

[chicagofan]

I am still using SM 2.8.  Is there a file for message *filters* by newsgroup, 
that could be copied to another news server?

If so, could someone tell me it's location and the process?  If I knew the locations, would it just be a cut and paste 
operation?:)   TIA.

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Re: pdf file display question

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On 7/26/12 8:39 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
> 
>> Oh!  I had forgotten all about this.  The answer is that, if you
>> have both Adobe Reader and Acrobat (the writer) installed, a PDF link
>> in a Web page opens in whichever of these two was the last to be
>> installed.
> 
> Not quite so simple, but close.
> 
> After installing both programs, the user can go into the Windows file 
> type options and set either one as the default for handling PDFs, and 
> that setting will overrule the order of installation.
> 
> But in the most common scenario, where the user doesn't take this 
> explicit action, you're right. Whichever one you install last will take 
> over by setting itself as the default handler for PDFs (unless, of 
> course, the advanced user deselects that option during installation).
> 
> When I had both installed, I had some really quirky behavior, and when I 
> ditched the Reader, things quieted down. Good advice.
> 

The Windows file-type options will indeed control which application
opens a local PDF file.  However, I found that those options were not
used by SeaMonkey.  For a link to a PDF file on a Web server, SeaMonkey
somehow used the sequence in which the applications were installed.

I don't really know if this is still true.  I have not installed Acrobat
(the writer) in over 6 years; I'm still using Acrobat 4.0, not wanting
to pay for an upgrade.  On the other hand, I keep Adobe Reader current,
having installed Adobe Reader 10.1.3 earlier this year.

I currently get PDF links from Web servers opening in the Adobe Reader
plug-in, within a SeaMonkey window.

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Re: pdf file display question

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


Oh!  I had forgotten all about this.  The answer is that, if you
have both Adobe Reader and Acrobat (the writer) installed, a PDF link
in a Web page opens in whichever of these two was the last to be
installed.


Not quite so simple, but close.

After installing both programs, the user can go into the Windows file 
type options and set either one as the default for handling PDFs, and 
that setting will overrule the order of installation.


But in the most common scenario, where the user doesn't take this 
explicit action, you're right. Whichever one you install last will take 
over by setting itself as the default handler for PDFs (unless, of 
course, the advanced user deselects that option during installation).


When I had both installed, I had some really quirky behavior, and when I 
ditched the Reader, things quieted down. Good advice.


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Re: pdf file display question

[Jay O'Brien]

On 7/26/2012 7:23 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 7/26/12 3:32 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> Jim Taylor wrote:
>>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
 Jim Taylor wrote:
> Jay O'Brien wrote:
>> I have two computers on my desktop, both running SM. One, a Windows
>> 7 64-bit machine, when I double-click on an attached pdf file
>> displays the pdf in Adobe reader. The other computer, XP 32-bit,
>> displays the files as an application/pdf Object in the SM browser,
>> not in Adobe reader.
>>
>> What sets this action?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jay O'Brien
>>
> That action is set in Adobe Reader.  You don't say what version you
> have so it might not be in the same place in all versions.  In my
> Reader X (version 10) it is Edit-Preferences-Internet and check or
> uncheck "Display PDF in browser" in right pane under Web Browser
> Options.


 I've recently begun having the same problem, all on Windows XP
 machines. On my home computers, PDFs open in the SM browser (my
 preference), but at work, after a recent SM upgrade, they began
 opening in my full version of Adobe Acrobat. All the machines use the
 same operating system and the identical version of SM

 Acrobat has the same preference settings as Reader; my problem is not
 there, as my preference is already set to "display PDF in browser."

 It also has nothing to do with email settings for attached files; my
 problem is PDFs opened from web links.

 I've followed other advice offered in this NG but I've never figured
 out where the glitch is, or how to restore the behavior I prefer...


>>> The only think else I know to check is SeaMonkey's Helper Applications
>>> settings.  Edit-Preferences-Browser-Helper Applications scroll right
>>> panel down to Adobe Acrobat Document and make sure it is set to your
>>> preference of either "Use Adobe Reader" or "Use Adobe Acrobat (in
>>> SeaMonkey)".  If that is OK I don't know where else to look.
>>
>>
>> I tried this, selecting "Use Adobe Acrobat (in SM)" -- but then it
>> opened PDFs with Adobe Reader in SM, not what I wanted.
>>
>> So I uninstalled Adobe Reader; then it began opening PDFs in Adobe
>> Acrobat in the browser, which puts me back where I started and where I
>> want to be -- thank you for the suggestion!
>>
> 
> Oh!  I had forgotten all about this.  The answer is that, if you have
> both Adobe Reader and Acrobat (the writer) installed, a PDF link in a
> Web page opens in whichever of these two was the last to be installed.
> 
Thanks everyone for the responses to my original post on this subject. I 
was not aware of the Edit, Preferences, Browser, Helper Applications 
page; my XP computer, in helper applications, was set to "Use Adobe 
Acrobat (in SeaMonkey)" and that is what it did. I changed it to "Use 
Adobe Reader (default)" and it changed, instantly. Bravo! This is what I 
wanted, thanks for the suggestion. I'm a happy camper on this issue.

In resolving my issue, I found a problem with the Win7 64-bit computer.
The W7 computer, in helper applications, was set to "Always Ask" but it 
didn't ask, it always uses Adobe Reader. I tried "Use Adobe Acrobat (in 
SeaMonkey)", no luck. Shutting SeaMonkey down didn't help. This isn't a 
problem for me, as I prefer to use Adobe Reader.

The issue still exists, however, with the W7 computer; why won't it 
change to "Use Adobe Acrobat (in SeaMonkey)"? Is it perhaps because it 
is 64-bit? I suggest that the development team needs to resolve this, 
but not for me, because I am happy with using Adobe Reader on both 
computers.

Certainly an interesting issue.

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Re: pdf file display question

[David E. Ross]

On 7/26/12 3:32 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote:
> Jim Taylor wrote:
>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>> Jim Taylor wrote:
 Jay O'Brien wrote:
> I have two computers on my desktop, both running SM. One, a Windows
> 7 64-bit machine, when I double-click on an attached pdf file
> displays the pdf in Adobe reader. The other computer, XP 32-bit,
> displays the files as an application/pdf Object in the SM browser,
> not in Adobe reader.
>
> What sets this action?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jay O'Brien
>
 That action is set in Adobe Reader.  You don't say what version you
 have so it might not be in the same place in all versions.  In my
 Reader X (version 10) it is Edit-Preferences-Internet and check or
 uncheck "Display PDF in browser" in right pane under Web Browser
 Options.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've recently begun having the same problem, all on Windows XP
>>> machines. On my home computers, PDFs open in the SM browser (my
>>> preference), but at work, after a recent SM upgrade, they began
>>> opening in my full version of Adobe Acrobat. All the machines use the
>>> same operating system and the identical version of SM
>>>
>>> Acrobat has the same preference settings as Reader; my problem is not
>>> there, as my preference is already set to "display PDF in browser."
>>>
>>> It also has nothing to do with email settings for attached files; my
>>> problem is PDFs opened from web links.
>>>
>>> I've followed other advice offered in this NG but I've never figured
>>> out where the glitch is, or how to restore the behavior I prefer...
>>>
>>>
>> The only think else I know to check is SeaMonkey's Helper Applications
>> settings.  Edit-Preferences-Browser-Helper Applications scroll right
>> panel down to Adobe Acrobat Document and make sure it is set to your
>> preference of either "Use Adobe Reader" or "Use Adobe Acrobat (in
>> SeaMonkey)".  If that is OK I don't know where else to look.
> 
> 
> I tried this, selecting "Use Adobe Acrobat (in SM)" -- but then it
> opened PDFs with Adobe Reader in SM, not what I wanted.
> 
> So I uninstalled Adobe Reader; then it began opening PDFs in Adobe
> Acrobat in the browser, which puts me back where I started and where I
> want to be -- thank you for the suggestion!
> 
> 

Oh!  I had forgotten all about this.  The answer is that, if you have
both Adobe Reader and Acrobat (the writer) installed, a PDF link in a
Web page opens in whichever of these two was the last to be installed.

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Re: pdf file display question

[BIll Spikowski]

Jim Taylor wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> Jim Taylor wrote:
>>> Jay O'Brien wrote:
 I have two computers on my desktop, both running SM. One, a Windows
 7 64-bit machine, when I double-click on an attached pdf file
 displays the pdf in Adobe reader. The other computer, XP 32-bit,
 displays the files as an application/pdf Object in the SM browser,
 not in Adobe reader.

 What sets this action?

 Thanks,

 Jay O'Brien

>>> That action is set in Adobe Reader.  You don't say what version you
>>> have so it might not be in the same place in all versions.  In my
>>> Reader X (version 10) it is Edit-Preferences-Internet and check or
>>> uncheck "Display PDF in browser" in right pane under Web Browser
>>> Options.
>>
>>
>> I've recently begun having the same problem, all on Windows XP
>> machines. On my home computers, PDFs open in the SM browser (my
>> preference), but at work, after a recent SM upgrade, they began
>> opening in my full version of Adobe Acrobat. All the machines use the
>> same operating system and the identical version of SM
>>
>> Acrobat has the same preference settings as Reader; my problem is not
>> there, as my preference is already set to "display PDF in browser."
>>
>> It also has nothing to do with email settings for attached files; my
>> problem is PDFs opened from web links.
>>
>> I've followed other advice offered in this NG but I've never figured
>> out where the glitch is, or how to restore the behavior I prefer...
>>
>>
> The only think else I know to check is SeaMonkey's Helper Applications
> settings.  Edit-Preferences-Browser-Helper Applications scroll right
> panel down to Adobe Acrobat Document and make sure it is set to your
> preference of either "Use Adobe Reader" or "Use Adobe Acrobat (in
> SeaMonkey)".  If that is OK I don't know where else to look.


I tried this, selecting "Use Adobe Acrobat (in SM)" -- but then it
opened PDFs with Adobe Reader in SM, not what I wanted.

So I uninstalled Adobe Reader; then it began opening PDFs in Adobe
Acrobat in the browser, which puts me back where I started and where I
want to be -- thank you for the suggestion!


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Re: pdf file display question

[Mike C]

Jay O'Brien wrote:

I have two computers on my desktop, both running SM. One, a Windows 7 64-bit 
machine, when I double-click on an attached pdf file displays the pdf in Adobe 
reader. The other computer, XP 32-bit, displays the files as an application/pdf 
Object in the SM browser, not in Adobe reader.

What sets this action?

Thanks,

Jay O'Brien


Edit> Preferances> Browser> Helper Applications>
Do drop box for Adobe>> then select what you want.
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Re: pdf file display question

[Rick Merrill]

Paul wrote:

Jay O'Brien wrote:

I have two computers on my desktop, both running SM. One, a Windows 7
64-bit machine, when I double-click on an attached pdf file displays
the pdf in Adobe reader. The other computer, XP 32-bit, displays the
files as an application/pdf Object in the SM browser, not in Adobe
reader.

What sets this action?

Thanks,

Jay O'Brien


Let us know if you find out the answer.
I have never been able to open a pdf in SM
browsers and gave up trying many years ago.
Pdf's open ok in IE as a web window.
I use Foxit.  There is no adobe on my machines.


SM and pdf have always worked for me  -  but sometimes
I have had to delete the old adobe reader and install the new one.
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Re: pdf file display question

[Paul]

Jay O'Brien wrote:

I have two computers on my desktop, both running SM. One, a Windows 7
64-bit machine, when I double-click on an attached pdf file displays
the pdf in Adobe reader. The other computer, XP 32-bit, displays the
files as an application/pdf Object in the SM browser, not in Adobe
reader.

What sets this action?

Thanks,

Jay O'Brien


Let us know if you find out the answer.
I have never been able to open a pdf in SM
browsers and gave up trying many years ago.
Pdf's open ok in IE as a web window.
I use Foxit.  There is no adobe on my machines.
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Re: pdf file display question

[Jim Taylor]

BIll Spikowski wrote:

Jim Taylor wrote:

Jay O'Brien wrote:

I have two computers on my desktop, both running SM. One, a Windows
7 64-bit machine, when I double-click on an attached pdf file
displays the pdf in Adobe reader. The other computer, XP 32-bit,
displays the files as an application/pdf Object in the SM browser,
not in Adobe reader.

What sets this action?

Thanks,

Jay O'Brien


That action is set in Adobe Reader.  You don't say what version you
have so it might not be in the same place in all versions.  In my
Reader X (version 10) it is Edit-Preferences-Internet and check or
uncheck "Display PDF in browser" in right pane under Web Browser Options.



I've recently begun having the same problem, all on Windows XP
machines. On my home computers, PDFs open in the SM browser (my
preference), but at work, after a recent SM upgrade, they began
opening in my full version of Adobe Acrobat. All the machines use the
same operating system and the identical version of SM

Acrobat has the same preference settings as Reader; my problem is not
there, as my preference is already set to "display PDF in browser."

It also has nothing to do with email settings for attached files; my
problem is PDFs opened from web links.

I've followed other advice offered in this NG but I've never figured
out where the glitch is, or how to restore the behavior I prefer...


The only think else I know to check is SeaMonkey's Helper Applications 
settings.  Edit-Preferences-Browser-Helper Applications scroll right 
panel down to Adobe Acrobat Document and make sure it is set to your 
preference of either "Use Adobe Reader" or "Use Adobe Acrobat (in 
SeaMonkey)".  If that is OK I don't know where else to look.


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Re: pdf file display question

[BIll Spikowski]

Jim Taylor wrote:
> Jay O'Brien wrote:
>> I have two computers on my desktop, both running SM. One, a Windows
>> 7 64-bit machine, when I double-click on an attached pdf file
>> displays the pdf in Adobe reader. The other computer, XP 32-bit,
>> displays the files as an application/pdf Object in the SM browser,
>> not in Adobe reader.
>>
>> What sets this action?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jay O'Brien
>>
> That action is set in Adobe Reader.  You don't say what version you
> have so it might not be in the same place in all versions.  In my
> Reader X (version 10) it is Edit-Preferences-Internet and check or
> uncheck "Display PDF in browser" in right pane under Web Browser Options.


I've recently begun having the same problem, all on Windows XP
machines. On my home computers, PDFs open in the SM browser (my
preference), but at work, after a recent SM upgrade, they began
opening in my full version of Adobe Acrobat. All the machines use the
same operating system and the identical version of SM

Acrobat has the same preference settings as Reader; my problem is not
there, as my preference is already set to "display PDF in browser."

It also has nothing to do with email settings for attached files; my
problem is PDFs opened from web links.

I've followed other advice offered in this NG but I've never figured
out where the glitch is, or how to restore the behavior I prefer...


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Re: pdf file display question

[David E. Ross]

On 7/25/12 5:31 PM, Jay O'Brien wrote:
> I have two computers on my desktop, both running SM. One, a Windows
> 7 64-bit machine, when I double-click on an attached pdf file
> displays the pdf in Adobe reader. The other computer, XP 32-bit,
> displays the files as an application/pdf Object in the SM browser,
> not in Adobe reader.
> 
> What sets this action?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jay O'Brien

If you see two different ways to display TWO DIFFERENT attachments, this
might be the result of differing MIME types being communicated.  With
links to PDF files in Web pages, Adobe Reader is launched unless the
MIME type in the HTTP header is application/pdf.  Too often, that is not
the MIME type.

If this is indeed your problem, the cause lies with the sender.

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Re: pdf file display question

[Jim Taylor]

Jay O'Brien wrote:

I have two computers on my desktop, both running SM. One, a Windows 7 64-bit 
machine, when I double-click on an attached pdf file displays the pdf in Adobe 
reader. The other computer, XP 32-bit, displays the files as an application/pdf 
Object in the SM browser, not in Adobe reader.

What sets this action?

Thanks,

Jay O'Brien

That action is set in Adobe Reader.  You don't say what version you 
have so it might not be in the same place in all versions.  In my 
Reader X (version 10) it is Edit-Preferences-Internet and check or 
uncheck "Display PDF in browser" in right pane under Web Browser Options.


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pdf file display question

[Jay O'Brien]

I have two computers on my desktop, both running SM. One, a Windows 7 64-bit 
machine, when I double-click on an attached pdf file displays the pdf in Adobe 
reader. The other computer, XP 32-bit, displays the files as an application/pdf 
Object in the SM browser, not in Adobe reader. 

What sets this action? 

Thanks,

Jay O'Brien
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question on status of 2 old and 1 new bug

[hawker]

There are three bugs that are really annoying me in SM.
Two are old and known, one I have not heard talked about yet.  I'm 
wondering if/when there will be any effort to fix them.


1) The search button to the right of the address line often does 
nothing. Using the side bar search fist then fixes it. Been this way for 
a while and reported here.


2) The busy cursor indicator when anywhere but in a message in mail 
(also often talked about here).


3) New regression bug in browser around 2.10 or so.  I think it may be 
in 2.10.1 but not 2.10 as I only recently noticed it and I get it all 
the time now.  In some situations when you RMB on a selected item (like 
when you select it first) the window does not collapse into just the 
valid choices (copy, etc) and you get a huge string that fills my 1200 
down monitor.  This is very similar to when we had this bug around a 
year ago, but then it always happened not just in certain cases. Is this 
bug known and reported yet?


Thanx
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Re: a question for my father ...

[NoOp]

On 06/22/2012 04:41 PM, The Biggest  in the Valley wrote:
> ... he does not have a news server. if he just cliks on a group in the 
...
Question for you: do you use that nym (TBMITV) with your father?

The nym is offense (at least to me), and IMO inappropriate for this
newsgroup. Please take it elsewhere.

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Re: a question for my father ...

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

The Biggest Motherfucker in the Valley wrote:
> ... he does not have a news server. if he just cliks on a group in the
> main page will it still ad the group???

No.

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a question for my father ...

[The Biggest Motherfucker in the Valley]

... he does not have a news server. if he just cliks on a group in the 
main page will it still ad the group???


km
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Re: Filter question

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Jay Garcia wrote:


On 17.06.2012 00:42, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

  --- Original Message ---


I have four different accounts within one profile, but all junk is
directed to a common Junk folder in the primary account.

One of my secondary accounts gets a steady diet of spam, and JMC is
pretty well trained to recognize and filter it. However, I have JMC set
/not/ to mark messages as read, so I can periodically scan through the
Junk folder for false positives.

In this case, the spam is properly filtered and unmarked, so all is as
it should be. Except for one peculiarity: when that account receives one
message and it's spam, the account is left with no new messages, but the
account name is highlighted anyway as if there were new messages. So I
frequently find myself looking at all the subfolders in that account for
a putative new message -- in vain.

Any idea how to correct this?

It seems to me that the flag to highlight the account name is set before
the spam is filtered out, but I wish it were done afterward.

Thanks.



Same exact scenario here with Thunderbird, so I guess it's inherent in
the source foundsation shared by both applications. File a bug on it,
post back with the bug number and there will be comments and voting
following I'm sure.


Done:


Sorry for delay, busy start of week.

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Re: Filter question

[Jay Garcia]

On 17.06.2012 00:42, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> I have four different accounts within one profile, but all junk is
> directed to a common Junk folder in the primary account.
> 
> One of my secondary accounts gets a steady diet of spam, and JMC is
> pretty well trained to recognize and filter it. However, I have JMC set
> /not/ to mark messages as read, so I can periodically scan through the
> Junk folder for false positives.
> 
> In this case, the spam is properly filtered and unmarked, so all is as
> it should be. Except for one peculiarity: when that account receives one
> message and it's spam, the account is left with no new messages, but the
> account name is highlighted anyway as if there were new messages. So I
> frequently find myself looking at all the subfolders in that account for
> a putative new message -- in vain.
> 
> Any idea how to correct this?
> 
> It seems to me that the flag to highlight the account name is set before
> the spam is filtered out, but I wish it were done afterward.
> 
> Thanks.
> 

Same exact scenario here with Thunderbird, so I guess it's inherent in
the source foundsation shared by both applications. File a bug on it,
post back with the bug number and there will be comments and voting
following I'm sure.


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Filter question

[Paul B. Gallagher]

I have four different accounts within one profile, but all junk is 
directed to a common Junk folder in the primary account.


One of my secondary accounts gets a steady diet of spam, and JMC is 
pretty well trained to recognize and filter it. However, I have JMC set 
/not/ to mark messages as read, so I can periodically scan through the 
Junk folder for false positives.


In this case, the spam is properly filtered and unmarked, so all is as 
it should be. Except for one peculiarity: when that account receives one 
message and it's spam, the account is left with no new messages, but the 
account name is highlighted anyway as if there were new messages. So I 
frequently find myself looking at all the subfolders in that account for 
a putative new message -- in vain.


Any idea how to correct this?

It seems to me that the flag to highlight the account name is set before 
the spam is filtered out, but I wish it were done afterward.


Thanks.

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Re: Automatic Updates Update Question

[Jens Hatlak]

Rob Steinmetz wrote:

I recall early on using Seamonkey that if a Windows user did not have
sufficient permissions to install software but had automatic updates
turned on the update would download and then fail to install. Everytime
the user started Seamonkey after that, even after you actually installed
the update as administrator, those users would still get repeated
attempted updates until the update file was deleted.

Am I misremembering and if not has that been fixed?


AFAIK the check for updates part has been fixed since at least SM 2.0:
 [1]

Not sure about cases where an update has already been downloaded using a 
SM version without the above fix, but if the check for updates part 
really has been fixed so long ago, this hardly affects anyone still.


[1] Of course there's the possibility that this regressed meanwhile; 
didn't check.


HTH

Jens

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Automatic Updates Update Question

[Rob Steinmetz]

The recent discussion of the automatic update for Seamonkey 2.10 
reminded me of why I turned automatic updates off.


I recall early on using Seamonkey that if a Windows user did not have 
sufficient permissions to install software but had automatic updates 
turned on the update would download and then fail to install. Everytime 
the user started Seamonkey after that, even after you actually installed 
the update as administrator, those users would still get repeated 
attempted updates until the update file was deleted.


Am I misremembering and if not has that been fixed?

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Re: QUESTION

[Marisa Ciceran]

W3BNR wrote:

On 6/8/2012 4:12 AM Marisa Ciceran submitted the following:

Never has worked for me, either.

Marisa

P.S. It is not a stupid question.

W3BNR wrote:

On 6/1/2012 10:56 AM Charles Siracuse submitted the following:

  STUPID QUESTION #2-Does anybody have the coupons.com printer
software working with seamonkey?

>From the lack of replies it you look like the readers of this group are like 
you
and me - it don't work with SeaMonkey - never has (at least not here).




You're right - it is NOT a stupid question.

coupons.com response to my inquiry:

"You mentioned Seamonkey, this browser is not supported.

You may use Firefox, Internet Explorer, or Chrome with our software in Windows.
Any of these browsers should work

Let us know if you are unable to get the Coupon Printer working in one of these
browsers.

Consumer Support
Coupons Inc."

I responded with comments which included the following from someone's webpage:

"SeaMonkey is powered by Gecko,the second most-popular layout engine on the
World Wide Web, after Trident (used by Internet Explorer for Windows since
version 4), and followed by WebKit (used by Safari & Google Chrome) and Presto
(used by Opera).

Gecko is primarily used in web browsers, the earliest being Netscape 6 and
Mozilla Application Suite (later renamed SeaMonkey). It is also used in other
Mozilla web browser derivatives such as Firefox, Camino, Flock, K-Meleon and the
version of Internet Explorer that runs under Wine."

No reply from supp...@coupons.com
Perhaps others would like to complain to them?

Follow ups to mozillal.general
There's another "catch" to the coupon.com problem that they won't bother 
to resolve: Spybot Search and Destroy nowadays reads their current 
sofware add-on as probable spyware, so I uninstalled it pronto! Has 
anyone else experience with this?


Marisa






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Re: QUESTION

[W3BNR]

On 6/8/2012 4:12 AM Marisa Ciceran submitted the following:
> Never has worked for me, either.
> 
> Marisa
> 
> P.S. It is not a stupid question.
> 
> W3BNR wrote:
>> On 6/1/2012 10:56 AM Charles Siracuse submitted the following:
>>>  STUPID QUESTION #2-Does anybody have the coupons.com printer
>>> software working with seamonkey?
>> >From the lack of replies it you look like the readers of this group are 
>> >like you
>> and me - it don't work with SeaMonkey - never has (at least not here).
>>
> 
> 
You're right - it is NOT a stupid question.

coupons.com response to my inquiry:

"You mentioned Seamonkey, this browser is not supported.

You may use Firefox, Internet Explorer, or Chrome with our software in Windows.
Any of these browsers should work

Let us know if you are unable to get the Coupon Printer working in one of these
browsers.

Consumer Support
Coupons Inc."

I responded with comments which included the following from someone's webpage:

"SeaMonkey is powered by Gecko,the second most-popular layout engine on the
World Wide Web, after Trident (used by Internet Explorer for Windows since
version 4), and followed by WebKit (used by Safari & Google Chrome) and Presto
(used by Opera).

Gecko is primarily used in web browsers, the earliest being Netscape 6 and
Mozilla Application Suite (later renamed SeaMonkey). It is also used in other
Mozilla web browser derivatives such as Firefox, Camino, Flock, K-Meleon and the
version of Internet Explorer that runs under Wine."

No reply from supp...@coupons.com
Perhaps others would like to complain to them?

Follow ups to mozillal.general


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Re: QUESTION

[Marisa Ciceran]

Never has worked for me, either.

Marisa

P.S. It is not a stupid question.

W3BNR wrote:

On 6/1/2012 10:56 AM Charles Siracuse submitted the following:

 STUPID QUESTION #2-Does anybody have the coupons.com printer
software working with seamonkey?

>From the lack of replies it you look like the readers of this group are like 
you
and me - it don't work with SeaMonkey - never has (at least not here).




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Question about BEING unsubscribed

[Keith Whaley]

I just received a message from the 
"support-seamonkey-bun...@lists.mozilla.org" with the titie:  "You have 
been unsubscribed from the support-seamonkey mailing list."


My questions are, by whom and for what reason?

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Re: QUESTION

[W3BNR]

On 6/3/2012 5:14 AM Daniel submitted the following:
> W3BNR wrote:
>> On 6/2/2012 8:58 AM Charles Siracuse submitted the following:
>>> Charles Siracuse wrote:
>>>> W3BNR wrote:
>>>>> On 6/1/2012 10:56 AM Charles Siracuse submitted the following:
>>>>>>   STUPID QUESTION #2-Does anybody have the coupons.com 
>>>>>> printer
>>>>>> software working with seamonkey?
>>>>>>  From the lack of replies it you look like the readers of this group are
>>>>> like you
>>>>> and me - it don't work with SeaMonkey - never has (at least not here).
>>>I called coupons.com.  They told me I was the only one questioning about
>>> Seamonkey.  They said if they get more requests they will work on getting a
>>> solution.  So everyone call or e-mail them and they might get Seamonkey 
>>> working!
>>
>> Great idea, but then what do I tell my wife?  I've been using the excuse 
>> that I
>> can't print coupons because my browser doesn't support the software.  I've 
>> saved
>> a lot of time searching and printing coupons with that excuse.  :-)
>>
> 
> but what about the financial savings you (or your wife) haven't made, Ed??
> 

Yeh, she sees a dress list price $89.99, on sale for $69.99, and with the coupon
for 10% off will buy it and tell me she saved me $30.00 (her arithmatic, not
mine).  And this for a dress she didn't need or really want.

Followup set to mozilla.general

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Re: QUESTION

[Daniel]

W3BNR wrote:

On 6/2/2012 8:58 AM Charles Siracuse submitted the following:

Charles Siracuse wrote:

W3BNR wrote:

On 6/1/2012 10:56 AM Charles Siracuse submitted the following:

  STUPID QUESTION #2-Does anybody have the coupons.com printer
software working with seamonkey?
 From the lack of replies it you look like the readers of this group are

like you
and me - it don't work with SeaMonkey - never has (at least not here).

   I called coupons.com.  They told me I was the only one questioning about
Seamonkey.  They said if they get more requests they will work on getting a
solution.  So everyone call or e-mail them and they might get Seamonkey working!


Great idea, but then what do I tell my wife?  I've been using the excuse that I
can't print coupons because my browser doesn't support the software.  I've saved
a lot of time searching and printing coupons with that excuse.  :-)



but what about the financial savings you (or your wife) haven't 
made, Ed??


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Re: QUESTION

[Charles Siracuse]

W3BNR wrote:

On 6/2/2012 8:58 AM Charles Siracuse submitted the following:

Charles Siracuse wrote:

W3BNR wrote:

On 6/1/2012 10:56 AM Charles Siracuse submitted the following:

  STUPID QUESTION #2-Does anybody have the coupons.com printer
software working with seamonkey?
 From the lack of replies it you look like the readers of this group are

like you
and me - it don't work with SeaMonkey - never has (at least not here).

   I called coupons.com.  They told me I was the only one questioning about
Seamonkey.  They said if they get more requests they will work on getting a
solution.  So everyone call or e-mail them and they might get Seamonkey working!

Great idea, but then what do I tell my wife?  I've been using the excuse that I
can't print coupons because my browser doesn't support the software.  I've saved
a lot of time searching and printing coupons with that excuse.  :-)
sorry about that but firefox works with the software-that's why i 
don't understand why they won't work on Seamonkey problems!


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Re: QUESTION

[W3BNR]

On 6/2/2012 8:58 AM Charles Siracuse submitted the following:
> Charles Siracuse wrote:
>> W3BNR wrote:
>>> On 6/1/2012 10:56 AM Charles Siracuse submitted the following:
>>>>  STUPID QUESTION #2-Does anybody have the coupons.com printer
>>>> software working with seamonkey?
>>> > From the lack of replies it you look like the readers of this group are
>>> like you
>>> and me - it don't work with SeaMonkey - never has (at least not here).
>   I called coupons.com.  They told me I was the only one questioning about
> Seamonkey.  They said if they get more requests they will work on getting a
> solution.  So everyone call or e-mail them and they might get Seamonkey 
> working!

Great idea, but then what do I tell my wife?  I've been using the excuse that I
can't print coupons because my browser doesn't support the software.  I've saved
a lot of time searching and printing coupons with that excuse.  :-)

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Re: QUESTION

[Charles Siracuse]

Charles Siracuse wrote:

W3BNR wrote:

On 6/1/2012 10:56 AM Charles Siracuse submitted the following:
 STUPID QUESTION #2-Does anybody have the coupons.com 
printer

software working with seamonkey?
> From the lack of replies it you look like the readers of this group 
are like you

and me - it don't work with SeaMonkey - never has (at least not here).
  I called coupons.com.  They told me I was the only one questioning 
about Seamonkey.  They said if they get more requests they will work on 
getting a solution.  So everyone call or e-mail them and they might get 
Seamonkey working!

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Re: QUESTION

[W3BNR]

On 6/1/2012 10:56 AM Charles Siracuse submitted the following:
> STUPID QUESTION #2-Does anybody have the coupons.com printer
> software working with seamonkey?

>From the lack of replies it you look like the readers of this group are like 
>you
and me - it don't work with SeaMonkey - never has (at least not here).

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QUESTION

[Charles Siracuse]

STUPID QUESTION #2-Does anybody have the coupons.com 
printer software working with seamonkey?

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Re: SM 2.10b1 : Lightning 1.5b1 disabled ("Another Question")

[Gabriel]

On 22/05/12 18.00, Larry S. ha scritto:

Gabriel wrote:

Hello,

--snip--

Another question: I sometimes see an alert "you should not see this
text, this is a placeholder" (or something similar) when I try to send
an email and something wrong happens. But as this error popups only
maybe 1 on 100 messages I send, I don't know what exactly activates it.

Gabriel

I see the same thing whenever I send a receipt for an e-mail when requested.
It's always preceded by a notice that says (approximately, don't have it at
hand)"the format of the message is not recognized".

Win XP SP3, SM 2.9.1



Hello Larry,

you are right, the same happened to me now, when sending the receipt for an 
incoming message!


OSX SnowLeo , SM 2.10b2

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Re: SM 2.10b1 : Lightning 1.5b1 disabled ("Another Question")

[Larry S.]

Gabriel wrote:

Hello,

--snip--

Another question: I sometimes see an alert "you should not see this
text, this is a placeholder" (or something similar) when I try to send
an email and something wrong happens. But as this error popups only
maybe 1 on 100 messages I send, I don't know what exactly activates it.

Gabriel
I see the same thing whenever I send a receipt for an e-mail when 
requested. It's always preceded by a notice that says (approximately, 
don't have it at hand)"the format of the message is not recognized".


Win XP SP3, SM 2.9.1

Larry
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Re: question about URL bar

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

GerardJan wrote:

> I have decided to leave the "URL" bar out, much safer to work via
> "google.com"

Safer?  Why do you want to let Google store all that information about 
your browsing habits?  If you are entering all the URLs you want to visit 
in the google.com search box, that is what you're doing.

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Re: question about URL bar

[GerardJan]

Philip TAYLOR wrote:



GerardJan wrote:


I removed the "URL" bar, how do I get it back ?


Click the narrow wide button with a pattern of raised
dots and a black triangle pointing to the right which
will now be sitting below the set of toolbars that
still remain visible. It will be at the extreme
left, just above the first tab, and followed to
the right by nothing other than grey space.

Philip Taylor


I have decided to leave the "URL" bar out, much safer to work via 
"google.com"



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Re: question about URL bar

[Philip TAYLOR]

GerardJan wrote:


I removed the "URL" bar, how do I get it back ?


Click the narrow wide button with a pattern of raised
dots and a black triangle pointing to the right which
will now be sitting below the set of toolbars that
still remain visible.  It will be at the extreme
left, just above the first tab, and followed to
the right by nothing other than grey space.

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question about URL bar

[GerardJan]

I removed the "URL" bar, how do I get it back ?

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Re: OT: Question about back up software and SM 2.72 files

[chicagofan]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote:



chicagofan wrote:


Also, I have a new GoFlex external drive and I'm trying to decide what
is the simplest backup solution for essentially a novice.


The best software I have identified for backing up my
Seamonkey data is Easeus Todo Backup Free :

http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/

Completely configurable, works 100% reliably, and on the only
occasion I have needed to recover a file, worked like a charm
(took about 2 minutes to complete).

Philip Taylor



I also use EaseUS products, free and paid for. They work great. Just did
a drive/system restore with EaseUS TODO Backup and it worked like a charm.

As for backup stratgies, I do a daily drive image of the boot disk (C:\)
and the Programs and Data drive (in my case, G:\). I also so daily
backups of my Mozilla products profiles (just for ease of restoration of
individual files). I also do separate backups of various data folders,
for the same reason.

As Chris said, there is little point to doing a backup of the Mozilla
products' install folders. You can always download them and install
them. It's the data/profile folders that you need to backup. Regularly.

There's a lot more to backup strategies. Do a Google search and educate
yourself.

BTW, I always do FULL backups, not incremental or differential. I keep
at least two days of backups on an external drive then periodically
delete the backups I don't need to save drive space.

I use EaseUS' TODO Backup Workstation to manage backups of all the
computers on my LAN. Essentially, you install TODO Backup on all clients
and Workstation on one main (server) computer. On the main computer you
can them use Workstation to backup whatever you want on all the client
computers. Again, works like a charm.I

FWIW, I also in the past have used Acronis True Image Home sw for
backup. they have totally screwed it up over several generations and I
stopped buying updates to it and do not use it at all anymore. it used
to be almost an industry standard but the (Russian) company has totally
lost track. I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy. It's a dog. And I
love dogs. :-)




Thanks so much, Phillp and Ed.   This project has been sidelined, 
because of other problems, but I have saved your messages, for when I 
get back to it.  I really appreciate this.  :)

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Re: OT: Question about back up software and SM 2.72 files

[cmcadams]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 3/7/2012 5:56 PM PT, cmcadams typed:


You mention Acronis, so I'll assume you're referring to partition
backups. Acronis would likely still work. What's wrong with that?

I used Partition Magic to back up for many years, until Symantec let it
go to seed. When I went looking for something to replace it I Googled
user reviews and ended up downloading http://www.partitionwizard.com/,
both the Windows and boot CD versions.


PartitionMagic (PM) didn't have backup. Maybe you meant DriveImage?
Yes, I miss old
PM (DOS version) too.


Nope. I know Symantec would have preferred that everyone buy their
backup product, but PM did a perfectly good job of it. I used it for
that long before Symantec bought it from PowerQuest and positioned it
for partition changes only.

Craig


I have/use PM 8.0 Build 1274 dated 3/14/2003 and there is no backup
function in that version. It does allow you to create a backup partition
where you can store "backup files or image files created by PowerQuest(R)
DriveImage(R)" according to the Help file. They also mention that you can
install Datakeeper to do the back-ups but I don't see that anywhere.


You COPY the partition, give it a new name (source and date in my case) and change it 
to 'hidden'. That there is no menu item labeled 'Backup' is irrelevant.

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Re: OT: Question about back up software and SM 2.72 files

[Arnie Goetchius]

cmcadams wrote:
> Ant wrote:
>> On 3/7/2012 5:56 PM PT, cmcadams typed:
>>
>>> You mention Acronis, so I'll assume you're referring to partition
>>> backups. Acronis would likely still work. What's wrong with that?
>>>
>>> I used Partition Magic to back up for many years, until Symantec let it
>>> go to seed. When I went looking for something to replace it I Googled
>>> user reviews and ended up downloading http://www.partitionwizard.com/,
>>> both the Windows and boot CD versions.
>>
>> PartitionMagic (PM) didn't have backup. Maybe you meant DriveImage?
>> Yes, I miss old
>> PM (DOS version) too.
> 
> Nope. I know Symantec would have preferred that everyone buy their
> backup product, but PM did a perfectly good job of it. I used it for
> that long before Symantec bought it from PowerQuest and positioned it
> for partition changes only.
> 
> Craig

I have/use PM 8.0 Build 1274 dated 3/14/2003 and there is no backup
function in that version. It does allow you to create a backup partition
where you can store "backup files or image files created by PowerQuest(R)
DriveImage(R)" according to the Help file. They also mention that you can
install Datakeeper to do the back-ups but I don't see that anywhere.
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Re: OT: Question about back up software and SM 2.72 files

[cmcadams]

Ant wrote:

On 3/7/2012 5:56 PM PT, cmcadams typed:


You mention Acronis, so I'll assume you're referring to partition
backups. Acronis would likely still work. What's wrong with that?

I used Partition Magic to back up for many years, until Symantec let it
go to seed. When I went looking for something to replace it I Googled
user reviews and ended up downloading http://www.partitionwizard.com/,
both the Windows and boot CD versions.


PartitionMagic (PM) didn't have backup. Maybe you meant DriveImage? Yes, I miss 
old
PM (DOS version) too.


Nope. I know Symantec would have preferred that everyone buy their backup product, 
but PM did a perfectly good job of it. I used it for that long before Symantec bought 
it from PowerQuest and positioned it for partition changes only.


Craig
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Re: OT: Question about back up software and SM 2.72 files

[Ant]

On 3/7/2012 5:56 PM PT, cmcadams typed:


You mention Acronis, so I'll assume you're referring to partition
backups. Acronis would likely still work. What's wrong with that?

I used Partition Magic to back up for many years, until Symantec let it
go to seed. When I went looking for something to replace it I Googled
user reviews and ended up downloading http://www.partitionwizard.com/,
both the Windows and boot CD versions.


PartitionMagic (PM) didn't have backup. Maybe you meant DriveImage? Yes, 
I miss old PM (DOS version) too.

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Re: OT: Question about back up software and SM 2.72 files

[cmcadams]

chicagofan wrote:

Are the files for SM 2.72 in locations that most [or possibly all] backup 
programs
will copy them automatically in Windows 7? Or will I have to copy them 
separately to
be sure?

Also, I have a new GoFlex external drive and I'm trying to decide what is the
simplest backup solution for essentially a novice. I have the choice of using
Gateway's My Backup software [that I don't know what it will include] that has 
a hot
key for use; the Seagate back up software on the drive [same problem, don't 
know what
it will backup]; or wiping off the software on the drive, and trying the free 
Macrium
software to clone the drive.


I used Acronis software on a smaller Maxtor hard drive for my desktop for many 
years,
but I never had to restore anything,, so all I can say about that, was it was 
easy to
setup and use. :)

I don't have a lot of irreplaceable files like many people, I just want 
protection if
I should have to restore to a date that would lose a lot program downloads, 
mail, and
other personalization on my laptop.

I had been copying earlier versions of SM on my XP laptop on a flash drive. This
laptop is Win7 and I'm still wandering in the dark with it. ;) Any advice is
appreciated
bj



You mention Acronis, so I'll assume you're referring to partition backups. Acronis 
would likely still work. What's wrong with that?


I used Partition Magic to back up for many years, until Symantec let it go to seed. 
When I went looking for something to replace it I Googled user reviews and ended up 
downloading http://www.partitionwizard.com/, both the Windows and boot CD versions.


With the caveat that I haven't been forced to restore anything yet (unlike PM, which 
managed to save my you-know-what more than once over the years), so far so good. If 
you want to download just one I recommend the linux-based .ISO, which will be 
portable, and independent of Windows.

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Re: OT: Question about back up software and SM 2.72 files

[Ed Mullen]

Philip TAYLOR wrote:



chicagofan wrote:


Also, I have a new GoFlex external drive and I'm trying to decide what
is the simplest backup solution for essentially a novice.


The best software I have identified for backing up my
Seamonkey data is Easeus Todo Backup Free :

http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/

Completely configurable, works 100% reliably, and on the only
occasion I have needed to recover a file, worked like a charm
(took about 2 minutes to complete).

Philip Taylor



I also use EaseUS products, free and paid for.  They work great.  Just 
did a drive/system restore with EaseUS TODO Backup and it worked like a 
charm.


As for backup stratgies, I do a daily drive image of the boot disk (C:\) 
and the Programs and Data drive (in my case, G:\).  I also so daily 
backups of my Mozilla products profiles (just for ease of restoration of 
individual files).  I also do separate backups of various data folders, 
for the same reason.


As Chris said, there is little point to doing a backup of the Mozilla 
products' install folders.  You can always download them and install 
them.  It's the data/profile folders that you need to backup.  Regularly.


There's a lot more to backup strategies.  Do a Google search and educate 
yourself.


BTW, I always do FULL backups, not incremental or differential.  I keep 
at least two days of backups on an external drive then periodically 
delete the backups I don't need to save drive space.


I use EaseUS' TODO Backup Workstation to manage backups of all the 
computers on my LAN.  Essentially, you install TODO Backup on all 
clients and Workstation on one main (server) computer.  On the main 
computer you can them use Workstation to backup whatever you want on all 
the client computers.  Again, works like a charm.


FWIW, I also in the past have used Acronis True Image Home sw for 
backup.  they have totally screwed it up over several generations and I 
stopped buying updates to it and do not use it at all anymore.  it used 
to be almost an industry standard but the (Russian) company has totally 
lost track.  I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy.  It's a dog. 
And I love dogs.  :-)


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Re: OT: Question about back up software and SM 2.72 files

[Philip TAYLOR]

chicagofan wrote:


Also, I have a new GoFlex external drive and I'm trying to decide what
is the simplest backup solution for essentially a novice.


The best software I have identified for backing up my
Seamonkey data is Easeus Todo Backup Free :

http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/

Completely configurable, works 100% reliably, and on the only
occasion I have needed to recover a file, worked like a charm
(took about 2 minutes to complete).

Philip Taylor

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Re: OT: Question about back up software and SM 2.72 files

[chicagofan]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-04 2:51 PM, _chicagofan_ spoke thusly:

Are the files for SM 2.72 in locations that most [or possibly all]
backup programs will copy them automatically in Windows 7? Or will I
have to copy them separately to be sure?


Your SeaMonkey profile folder is located within a directory Windows
designates for user data, so if a backup program doesn't back it up,
it's a stupid backup program.


Thanks, Chris.
bj





If you're referring to backing up the actual program files, my advice is
not to bother. You can always get the program from the SeaMonkey website.

As for which program is the best backup program in general, you should
ask that somewhere else.



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Re: OT: Question about back up software and SM 2.72 files

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-03-04 2:51 PM, _chicagofan_ spoke thusly:

Are the files for SM 2.72 in locations that most [or possibly all]
backup programs will copy them automatically in Windows 7? Or will I
have to copy them separately to be sure?


Your SeaMonkey profile folder is located within a directory Windows 
designates for user data, so if a backup program doesn't back it up, 
it's a stupid backup program.


If you're referring to backing up the actual program files, my advice is 
not to bother. You can always get the program from the SeaMonkey website.


As for which program is the best backup program in general, you should 
ask that somewhere else.


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OT: Question about back up software and SM 2.72 files

[chicagofan]

Are the files for SM 2.72 in locations that most [or possibly all] 
backup programs will copy them automatically in Windows 7?   Or will I 
have to copy them separately to be sure?


Also, I have a new GoFlex external drive and I'm trying to decide what 
is the simplest backup solution for essentially a novice.  I have the 
choice of using Gateway's My Backup software [that I don't know what it 
will include] that has a hot key for use; the Seagate back up software 
on the drive [same problem, don't know what it will backup]; or wiping 
off the software on the drive, and trying the free Macrium software to 
clone the drive.



I used Acronis software on a smaller Maxtor hard drive for my desktop 
for many years, but I never had to restore anything,, so all I can say 
about that, was it was easy to setup and use.  :)


I don't have a lot of irreplaceable files like many people,  I just want 
protection if I should have to restore to a date that would lose a lot 
program downloads, mail, and other personalization on my laptop.


I had been copying earlier versions of SM on my XP  laptop on a flash 
drive.  This laptop is Win7 and I'm still wandering in the dark with it. 
 ;)   Any advice is appreciated

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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Axel Grude]

On 28/01/12 01:31, Mort wrote:

Hi,

Having lived in a Western European country for 5 years, I often read two of its 
main
newspapers on line. My bottom tool bar usually shows text related to the 
newspaper.
However, this evening, I noticed two tool bar texts that upset me:

Transferring data from Facebook

Reading Google analytics.

Am I being monitored and infiltrated while viewing the newspapers? That is 
certainly
unsettling.

I use an antivirus program, Windows firewall and Defender, and an antispyware 
program.
My net connection is via cable.

Any comments and suggestions would be appreciated.

Regards,

Morton Linder
USA

install noscript. then only allow whats necessary to read the news (trial and 
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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Dustbin wrote:


I understand the basic idea. It looks similar to something in Linux.
But where do I put the hosts.txt file in Vista?


C:\Windows\system32\drivers\etc\  same as it's been since Windows first 
issued NT.




Remember, the file has no extension, just "hosts".

In linux, it's probably in /etc/ -- that's where mine is.

sudo gedit /etc/hosts

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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Dustbin]

Lee wrote:

On 1/29/12, Dustbin  wrote:

Philipp van Hüllen wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty schrieb:

MCBastos wrote:


Also, many (many, many many...) websites have some sort of facebook
thingie on their pages. It might be just the "like" button, it might be
something more complex -- I know a few, for instance, that insert their
Facebook stream sort of like a blog.


I investigated a page/site a couple weeks ago, where a poster complained
about Facebook.

I found that each page of the site called up a facebook.com JavaScript
file -- of a quarter-megabyte worth of code.

Yes, Facebook is intrusive! Those "Like" buttons tell Facebook every
page you visit.


Yes, it's really disturbing - giving other hosters access to the IPs and
maybe referrers of your own visitors by linking static content from
other web sites was already considered interesting a few years ago.

Loading other people JS code, running that in your visitors browsers and
not really telling them... that was the point, when I installed NoScript..


What I find problematic is the number of pages that will fail if you
switch off JS.


Take a look at noscript


You have no option with these people;


A few have already been mentioned in this thread.


you either let them use you or
basically get off the net - since there will be little that you can do
on the net without these perverts peeping all the time.


With an attitude like that you clearly don't want to use their
services, so just block them.


It is not a case of not wanting to use services it is a case of not 
wanting to be spied on all the time. Also; I don't use (for example) 
FaceBook. But what happens when other sites are linking to FB or passing 
info to FB and likewise Google Analytics.


I use several devices to avoid these perverts getting even more info 
about me. Using Browzar; clearing cookies etc, regularly; blocking 
almost all sites from using cookies etc., etc., etc.



Start off with something along the lines of
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt and add your own entries for
sites you don't want tracking you


I understand the basic idea. It looks similar to something in Linux. But 
where do I put the hosts.txt file in Vista?




Requestpolicy + noscript does the job for me, but it is a bit of a
pain for the first week or three configuring what sites are allowed&
it's more for people that might want to allow some of that instead of
completely blocking it.


It is a pain in &^%&^& that we have to do this kind of thing to defend 
ourselves against people who should be prying in the first place.


Thans for the info.

D.


Regards,
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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Lee]

On 1/29/12, Dustbin  wrote:
> Philipp van Hüllen wrote:
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty schrieb:
>>> MCBastos wrote:
>>>
 Also, many (many, many many...) websites have some sort of facebook
 thingie on their pages. It might be just the "like" button, it might be
 something more complex -- I know a few, for instance, that insert their
 Facebook stream sort of like a blog.
>>>
>>> I investigated a page/site a couple weeks ago, where a poster complained
>>> about Facebook.
>>>
>>> I found that each page of the site called up a facebook.com JavaScript
>>> file -- of a quarter-megabyte worth of code.
>>>
>>> Yes, Facebook is intrusive! Those "Like" buttons tell Facebook every
>>> page you visit.
>>
>> Yes, it's really disturbing - giving other hosters access to the IPs and
>> maybe referrers of your own visitors by linking static content from
>> other web sites was already considered interesting a few years ago.
>>
>> Loading other people JS code, running that in your visitors browsers and
>> not really telling them... that was the point, when I installed NoScript.
>
> What I find problematic is the number of pages that will fail if you
> switch off JS.

Take a look at noscript

> You have no option with these people;

A few have already been mentioned in this thread.

>you either let them use you or
> basically get off the net - since there will be little that you can do
> on the net without these perverts peeping all the time.

With an attitude like that you clearly don't want to use their
services, so just block them.
Start off with something along the lines of
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt and add your own entries for
sites you don't want tracking you

Requestpolicy + noscript does the job for me, but it is a bit of a
pain for the first week or three configuring what sites are allowed &
it's more for people that might want to allow some of that instead of
completely blocking it.

Regards,
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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Dustbin]

Philipp van Hüllen wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty schrieb:

MCBastos wrote:


Also, many (many, many many...) websites have some sort of facebook
thingie on their pages. It might be just the "like" button, it might be
something more complex -- I know a few, for instance, that insert their
Facebook stream sort of like a blog.


I investigated a page/site a couple weeks ago, where a poster complained
about Facebook.

I found that each page of the site called up a facebook.com JavaScript
file -- of a quarter-megabyte worth of code.

Yes, Facebook is intrusive! Those "Like" buttons tell Facebook every
page you visit.


Yes, it's really disturbing - giving other hosters access to the IPs and
maybe referrers of your own visitors by linking static content from
other web sites was already considered interesting a few years ago.

Loading other people JS code, running that in your visitors browsers and
not really telling them... that was the point, when I installed NoScript.


What I find problematic is the number of pages that will fail if you 
switch off JS.


You have no option with these people; you either let them use you or 
basically get off the net - since there will be little that you can do 
on the net without these perverts peeping all the time.


D.



To mention a good initiative:
A German IT news portal torn between supporting social networks and not
willing to do the above (for several reasons, I guess) includes
potential link to FB/G+/Twitter, but only activates them (via JS) upon
users demand (either case-by-case or by-default).
They do share their code, IIRC.

See:
http://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/2-Klicks-fuer-mehr-Datenschutz-1333879.html
http://www.heise.de/extras/socialshareprivacy/

Sorry, I did not find an English version of the pages; the international
branch uses pure links (no JS) to interact with the social networks...
 maybe something that could be requested from them, if anybody's
interested.


Best regards
Philipp


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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Mort]

Mort wrote:

Hi,

Having lived in a Western European country for 5 years, I often read two
of its main newspapers on line. My bottom tool bar usually shows text
related to the newspaper. However, this evening, I noticed two tool bar
texts that upset me:

Transferring data from Facebook

Reading Google analytics.

Am I being monitored and infiltrated while viewing the newspapers? That
is certainly unsettling.

I use an antivirus program, Windows firewall and Defender, and an
antispyware program. My net connection is via cable.

Any comments and suggestions would be appreciated.

Regards,

Morton Linder
USA


Thanks to all for the interesting and helpful replies. I have downloaded 
and installed NoScript, and will see how things go with it. I thought 
that by deleting cookies and flash cookies, I was covering my tracks, 
but apparently not. Big Brother is indeed watching us.


Mort Linder
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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Philip TAYLOR wrote:


MCBastos wrote:


Hm. My German stops at "Guten Tag,"


Google ist dein freund, Herr Bastos :




Take with a grain of salt. GT is fine for basic stuff, but it makes some 
really hilarious mistakes if you enter slang or even slightly confusing 
phrases. Trust me, as a professional translator since 1985, I can see a 
huge difference between GT and a third-year college student's work.


For example:

Please join Will in his fight to bring change to Harrisburg.
[source text]

Please join Will in seinem Kampf zu ändern, um Harrisburg zu bringen. 
[GT failed to translate "Please join"]


S'il vous plaît joindre Will dans son combat pour apporter le changement 
à Harrisburg. [I see no howlers, but I'm no expert]


Пожалуйста, присоединяйтесь Будет ли в его борьбе, чтобы добиться 
перемен в Харрисбург. [GT tried to translate "Will" as a future tense]


해리스 버그에 변화를 가져다 자신의 싸움에서 윌에 가입하시기 바랍니다.
[GT split "Harrisburg" into two words]

Now here's something tougher:

Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana. [source text]
Die Zeit fliegt wie ein Pfeil, Fruchtfliegen wie eine Banane.
Temps vole comme une flèche, mouches des fruits comme une banane.
Время летит, как стрела, плодовых мушек, как банан.
시간은 화살처럼 날아, 과일은 바나나처럼 날아.

ROTFL!

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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Philip TAYLOR]

MCBastos wrote:


Hm. My German stops at "Guten Tag,"


Google ist dein freund, Herr Bastos :


http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fct%2Fartikel%2F2-Klicks-fuer-mehr-Datenschutz-1333879.html


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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 28/01/2012 06:19, Philipp van Hüllen told the world:

> To mention a good initiative:
> A German IT news portal torn between supporting social networks and not 
> willing to do the above (for several reasons, I guess) includes 
> potential link to FB/G+/Twitter, but only activates them (via JS) upon 
> users demand (either case-by-case or by-default).
> They do share their code, IIRC.
> 
> See:
> http://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/2-Klicks-fuer-mehr-Datenschutz-1333879.html
> http://www.heise.de/extras/socialshareprivacy/
> 
> Sorry, I did not find an English version of the pages; the international 
> branch uses pure links (no JS) to interact with the social networks...
> ... maybe something that could be requested from them, if anybody's 
> interested.

Hm. My German stops at "Guten Tag," but I have been hearing good things
about Heise and their C't magazine for years. They released a bunch of
Really Interesting Utilities over the years -- like the mega-useful (for
people like me, who frequently have to reinstall users' Windows
machines) WSUS Offline. Too bad their international branch is not
following HQ's lead...

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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Lee]

On 1/28/12, Ray_Net  wrote:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> MCBastos wrote:
>>
>>> Also, many (many, many many...) websites have some sort of facebook
>>> thingie on their pages. It might be just the "like" button, it might be
>>> something more complex -- I know a few, for instance, that insert their
>>> Facebook stream sort of like a blog.
>>
>> I investigated a page/site a couple weeks ago, where a poster
>> complained about Facebook.
>>
>> I found that each page of the site called up a facebook.com JavaScript
>> file -- of a quarter-megabyte worth of code.
>>
>> Yes, Facebook is intrusive!  Those "Like" buttons tell Facebook every
>> page you visit.
>>
> Well well  i have an account in FB, in Google+ and in Google Gmail.
> But i never see what the op said:
>  > I noticed two tool bar texts that upset me:
>  > Transferring data from Facebook
>  > Reading Google analytics.

Do you normally have javascript enabled?  Noscript?
It seems like most of the FB, Google, Linkedin, etc. bits requires
javascript.  Turning off or blocking JS cuts down on a lot of the
'related' info.

> But, this could happen when reading some sites ...

Indeed :)  Another addon worth looking at is request policy
  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/requestpolicy/

Regards,
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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Ray_Net]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

MCBastos wrote:


Also, many (many, many many...) websites have some sort of facebook
thingie on their pages. It might be just the "like" button, it might be
something more complex -- I know a few, for instance, that insert their
Facebook stream sort of like a blog.


I investigated a page/site a couple weeks ago, where a poster 
complained about Facebook.


I found that each page of the site called up a facebook.com JavaScript 
file -- of a quarter-megabyte worth of code.


Yes, Facebook is intrusive!  Those "Like" buttons tell Facebook every 
page you visit.



Well well  i have an account in FB, in Google+ and in Google Gmail.
But i never see what the op said:
> I noticed two tool bar texts that upset me:
> Transferring data from Facebook
> Reading Google analytics.

But, this could happen when reading some sites ...
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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty schrieb:

MCBastos wrote:


Also, many (many, many many...) websites have some sort of facebook
thingie on their pages. It might be just the "like" button, it might be
something more complex -- I know a few, for instance, that insert their
Facebook stream sort of like a blog.


I investigated a page/site a couple weeks ago, where a poster complained
about Facebook.

I found that each page of the site called up a facebook.com JavaScript
file -- of a quarter-megabyte worth of code.

Yes, Facebook is intrusive! Those "Like" buttons tell Facebook every
page you visit.


Yes, it's really disturbing - giving other hosters access to the IPs and 
maybe referrers of your own visitors by linking static content from 
other web sites was already considered interesting a few years ago.


Loading other people JS code, running that in your visitors browsers and 
not really telling them... that was the point, when I installed NoScript.


To mention a good initiative:
A German IT news portal torn between supporting social networks and not 
willing to do the above (for several reasons, I guess) includes 
potential link to FB/G+/Twitter, but only activates them (via JS) upon 
users demand (either case-by-case or by-default).

They do share their code, IIRC.

See:
http://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/2-Klicks-fuer-mehr-Datenschutz-1333879.html
http://www.heise.de/extras/socialshareprivacy/

Sorry, I did not find an English version of the pages; the international 
branch uses pure links (no JS) to interact with the social networks...
... maybe something that could be requested from them, if anybody's 
interested.



Best regards
Philipp
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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Paul schrieb:

All the blockers in the world won't do any good if you
open the door and invite the trackers in.
Delete your FB and all Google accounts.
Always use fake names and throw away accounts.
Turn off JS.
Turn off html for email.


Well, yes, that's the very secure way.

There may be ways in between - for example my SM runs with NoScript (as 
explained elsewhere) and I never use it to login to FB.
If you want to access FB, you can do that via a separate profile or 
browser. I run FB in Firefox, where I do nothing else than FB 
(communication, following events, etc.).
Thus, they can store all the cookies they like but cannot relate that to 
the browsing I do in SM.


Sadly, FB (amongst other reasons) has dried out some local forums, so 
it's hard to complete ignore it.


That's the sort of grey-compromise I run between black and white. ;-)

BR/Philipp
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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Paul]

Mort wrote:

Hi,

Having lived in a Western European country for 5 years, I often read two 
of its main newspapers on line. My bottom tool bar usually shows text 
related to the newspaper. However, this evening, I noticed two tool bar 
texts that upset me:


Transferring data from Facebook

Reading Google analytics.

Am I being monitored and infiltrated while viewing the newspapers? That 
is certainly unsettling.


I use an antivirus program, Windows firewall and Defender, and an 
antispyware program. My net connection is via cable.


Any comments and suggestions would be appreciated.

Regards,

Morton Linder
USA


All the blockers in the world won't do any good if you
open the door and invite the trackers in.
Delete your FB and all Google accounts.
Always use fake names and throw away accounts.
Turn off JS.
Turn off html for email.
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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

MCBastos wrote:


Also, many (many, many many...) websites have some sort of facebook
thingie on their pages. It might be just the "like" button, it might be
something more complex -- I know a few, for instance, that insert their
Facebook stream sort of like a blog.


I investigated a page/site a couple weeks ago, where a poster complained 
about Facebook.


I found that each page of the site called up a facebook.com JavaScript 
file -- of a quarter-megabyte worth of code.


Yes, Facebook is intrusive!  Those "Like" buttons tell Facebook every 
page you visit.


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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 27/01/2012 23:31, Mort told the world:

> Having lived in a Western European country for 5 years, I often read two 
> of its main newspapers on line. My bottom tool bar usually shows text 
> related to the newspaper. However, this evening, I noticed two tool bar 
> texts that upset me:
> 
> Transferring data from Facebook
> 
> Reading Google analytics.
> 
> Am I being monitored and infiltrated while viewing the newspapers? That 
> is certainly unsettling.

Well, many (many, many, many...) websites use a Google tool called
"Google Analytics" to get demographics data about visitors: where they
live, what kind of browsers they use and such. I don't know much about
Google Analytics, so I'm likely wrong in the details.

Also, many (many, many many...) websites have some sort of facebook
thingie on their pages. It might be just the "like" button, it might be
something more complex -- I know a few, for instance, that insert their
Facebook stream sort of like a blog.

Are Google and Facebook learning stuff from your habits, in order to
server you more effective ads (and therefore charge more for placing the
ads in the first time)? Probably. But then, this is not restricted to
your European newspapers; most sites nowadays have this kind of nosy
add-ins (either these or similar ones from other purveyors).

If you disapprove of such snooping, you might wish to try installing the
NoScript add-on to your Firefox/Seamonkey browser. It will block all
such auxiliary scripts until you explicitly authorize them. The downside
is that you will see lots of unexpectedly blank spaces in pages, and
then you will have to figure out which of the scripts that page calls
you have to actually allow in order to get the content you want. This
can be a big list. Most pages I visit tend to be under half-a-dozen, but
I have seen some with, like, twenty scripts.

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Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Mort]

Hi,

Having lived in a Western European country for 5 years, I often read two 
of its main newspapers on line. My bottom tool bar usually shows text 
related to the newspaper. However, this evening, I noticed two tool bar 
texts that upset me:


Transferring data from Facebook

Reading Google analytics.

Am I being monitored and infiltrated while viewing the newspapers? That 
is certainly unsettling.


I use an antivirus program, Windows firewall and Defender, and an 
antispyware program. My net connection is via cable.


Any comments and suggestions would be appreciated.

Regards,

Morton Linder
USA
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Re: Question: Flash Cookies

[Lucas Levrel]

Le 24 janvier 2012, David E. Ross a écrit :


Among the Flash cookies is one that specifies my Flash options,
including a number of privacy options (e.g., denying a Web site access
to my PC's microphone), trust settings, and update options.

How can I protect the cookie that specifies my Flash options while also
allowing removal of other Flash cookies?


I'd try this: do a backup, set the file read-only, clear cookies. Don't 
forget the backup step!


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