Re: Interesting... Neither FF or SM is allowed on this Amtrak page
NoOp wrote: Can anyone else confirm: https://careers.amtrak.com/webdynpro/resources/sap.com/tc~wd~dispwda/global/noclient.htm Receive: Sorry, your browser/program is not supported by Web Dynpro! HTML HEAD TITLEWeb Dynpro client inspection/TITLE /HEAD BODY style=font-family:Arial; H2 Sorry, your browser/program is not supported by Web Dynpro! /H2 /BODY /HTML Start here: https://careers.amtrak.com/irj/portal/anonymous and select 'Register Now' in the left hand login box. Interesting part is that I was thinking of applying for an IT position with Amtrak. Their 'Search for Jobs' sucks... it's an SAP wide page view so you need to horizontaly scroll to view the open positions. Tried with FF 5.0 and SM 2.2 Final. Its web-kit compatible only, Safari, iCab, OmniWeb work Chrome works FF 3, 4, 5 Camino, SeaMonkey, Aurora anything associate with Gecko Doesn't. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Interesting... Neither FF or SM is allowed on this Amtrak page
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:11:36 +1000, /Daniel/: WFM SM 2.0.14 on Mandriva Linux 2009.0 Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110420 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 not firefox Clicking on the Register Now took me to https://careers.amtrak.com/webdynpro/dispatcher/amtrak.com/hcm~erec~selfreg/SelfRegApp?redirectURL=%2Firj%2Fportal%2Fanonymous that wanted me to enter Name, user ID, Password, DoB, e-mail address and a verification text, and then indicate that I had read the linked Data Privacy Statement. Maybe it was the not firefox that made the difference, maybe! It appears to be the Gecko revision token rv:1.9.1.19. I was able to get your result using: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110706 SeaMonkey/2.2 They don't seem to accept anything above rv:1.9.2.* - quite broken sniffing, IMO. I Just checked All Gecko based Browsers don't work. SM Camino FireFox 3.6.18, 4, 5 Opera Aurora What does work (Web-Kit): Chrome iCab OmniWeb Safari They are Descriminating against all Gecko Based Browsers. AmTrak is a Government Agency. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Interesting... Neither FF or SM is allowed on this Amtrak page
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 09:05:16 -0500, /Jay Garcia/: On 09.07.2011 23:11, NoOp wrote: Start here: https://careers.amtrak.com/irj/portal/anonymous and select 'Register Now' in the left hand login box. FF 5 .. If I type in http://careers.amtrak.com I get https://careers.amtrak.com/irj/portal/anonymous as the correct page, not an error page. Did you try following the Register Now link? Both thes links work on Gecko based browsers (SM,FF,Aurora, Camino, Opera) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Interesting... Neither FF or SM is allowed on this Amtrak page
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:29:33 -0400, /PhillipJones/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:11:36 +1000, /Daniel/: WFM SM 2.0.14 on Mandriva Linux 2009.0 Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110420 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 not firefox Clicking on the Register Now took me to https://careers.amtrak.com/webdynpro/dispatcher/amtrak.com/hcm~erec~selfreg/SelfRegApp?redirectURL=%2Firj%2Fportal%2Fanonymous It appears to be the Gecko revision token rv:1.9.1.19. I was able to get your result using: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110706 SeaMonkey/2.2 They don't seem to accept anything above rv:1.9.2.* - quite broken sniffing, IMO. I Just checked All Gecko based Browsers don't work. SM Camino FireFox 3.6.18, 4, 5 Opera Aurora Are you sure Firefox 3.6.* doesn't go though? I'm able to go through sending just: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (rv:1.9.2) or even just: User-Agent: rv:1.9.2 Sending: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (rv:2.0) or: User-Agent: rv:2.0 however doesn't work for me. Tried using 3.6.18, 4, 5 Auroa, SeaMonkey, Opera using the above link, showed error message Your Browser not supported. In another message some other links were given and those work with anything. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Interesting... Neither FF or SM is allowed on this Amtrak page
NoOp wrote: On 07/10/2011 12:21 PM, PhillipJones wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: ... Are you sure Firefox 3.6.* doesn't go though? I'm able to go through sending just: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (rv:1.9.2) or even just: User-Agent: rv:1.9.2 Sending: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (rv:2.0) or: User-Agent: rv:2.0 however doesn't work for me. Tried using 3.6.18, 4, 5 Auroa, SeaMonkey, Opera using the above link, showed error message Your Browser not supported. In another message some other links were given and those work with anything. Even the basic link: https://careers.amtrak.com/irj/portal/anonymous doesn't work in Opera 11.50. It gives a: Could not open iView. The iView is not compatible with your browser, operating system, or device. Contact your system administrator for more information. Their browser sniffing has serious issues. However, I can confirm that Chromium (12.0.742.112) and Ephihany (2.30.2) work. Like I said... maybe I'll apply for an IT position to help them sort out their screwed up SAP web portal. Even SAP's site shows issues: http://sapdocs.info/sap/netweaver/what-is-web-dynpro/ (read the 21 responses - last one is a laugh). I have version 11.11 of Opera -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will there be security updates for 2.1?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:24:20 -0700, /Ant/: I really hope v2.0.14 gets minor updates like Firefox v3.6.x. SeaMonkey 2.0.* is based on Gecko 1.9.1.*/Firefox 3.5.* and as you may know Mozilla has officially ended support/updates for Firefox 3.5.*. Thanks for the bad news. Well not much reason to stick around this newsgroup. 2.2 broke too many things extensions and plugins. No QuickTime. No Pdf Browser Plugin not Flip4Mac (wmv/wma pluging to work through QuickTime. And many other. I'm not upgrading. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will there be security updates for 2.1?
Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:37:48 -0400, W3BNR wrote: Hmmm. I upgraded from 2.0.15pre and lost most of my plug-ins. But I modified the .rdf files and there's only one that I can't get working and that's FireFTP. http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#fireftp Phil This is the problem W3BNR He upgrade from 2.0.15 (implied to 2.1 or 2.2) and lost most of his plugins and noted like it was just a bump in the road he modified the .RDF Files like it's just something everyone is expected to do every day. I have know idea what opens a and .RDF file and what changes I would need to make. I am a User (though an advanced one I hope) I don't expect applications to beak stuff we are not told will break. Plugins are a fact of life. and as such should never be messed with. They simply should work whether version 1 or 101. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will there be security updates for 2.1?
Ant wrote: On 7/13/2011 8:57 PM PT, Rufus typed: Actually, I miss all of the features that the 1.1.x series included. I didn't use the Forms Manager, but I get the impression that enough people miss it to put me on their side. And the Password Manager got broken in an annoying fashion and never got fixed somewhere about 1.1.16-17, as I recall. The only reason I never used the Forms Manager was that SM gave no indication as to if the information it stored was encrypted or not. Ah. I don't use those features. There are two answers. If you do like most people using SM or FF that don't use a Password then no. If you use FF or SM like you should and create a Master password. Then yes, the information is encrypted. However, Most people (even in these forums) can't stand using a Master Password. All I can say, your lucky and arrogant as well. You don't realize if your laptop or Desktop unit is stolen and you you don't have a master Password set up in all your browsers you use for Banking and such, well you deserve what happens if the equipment is stolen. Most thefts of computers the thief is likely to look for user names, Password and site That have Bank and CC information. Then they will wipe Hard Drive and sell to get pocket change. The they can really rake in some Dough off of your CC Accounts and Bank Accounts. Then you'll be left holding the bag, and be broke as well. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will there be security updates for 2.1?
Tom Pamin wrote: Rufus wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 7/13/2011 8:26 PM, Rufus wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:24:20 -0700, /Ant/: I really hope v2.0.14 gets minor updates like Firefox v3.6.x. SeaMonkey 2.0.* is based on Gecko 1.9.1.*/Firefox 3.5.* and as you may know Mozilla has officially ended support/updates for Firefox 3.5.*. Thanks for the bad news. Well not much reason to stick around this newsgroup. 2.2 broke too many things extensions and plugins. No QuickTime. No Pdf Browser Plugin not Flip4Mac (wmv/wma pluging to work through QuickTime. And many other. I'm not upgrading. I'm waiting too. I'm too dependent on something that works to switch to something that doesn't work. Hopefully it will work in the future, and retain all of the features that make 2.0.14 my preferred web utility suite. Personally I think that the 1.1.x series of releases were the best, as far as features went. But I'll be sticking with 2.0.14 at least until I get a look at full-up Lion. Then I'll have a new set of decisions to make. FYI our Lion compat release will be 2.3, and we'll recommend you use at least 2.3b1 if you install Lion. I got burned trying out a beta once before - never again. I'll be installing Lion (or not) and then trying a clean install of a 2.3 (or more likely 2.4) stable release and migrating from my 2.0.14 install. But if Lion actually works the way I think it's going to re: full screen apps (which I think I'm not going to like) I may abandon SM after all these years in any case...it was a good run. What is Lion? Mac OSX.7. Boy we can tell you’re a windows user or Linux User. Supposed to be out in days. I'll have to travel 1-1'2 to and apple store or 4 hours to next closest one just to have a Internet connection to download and install it. it 4 GB in size and is only available by Internet Download . Though the price has gone down to $29.95 because they no longer have to press to Disc. From my reading of some of the features booth the Dock and main menu bar will be invisible until you hover over it. and any open file will fill one hundred percent of the screen. Also there will be no Save command in any application. you simply close out of the document and quit. When you open back up it will open automatically to the last file you were working on (I'm hoping that Saves As... command will Remain. Only Universal Binary and Intel Only will work No Classic and no PowerPC Apps will work. They will be eventually be working toward Intel on Apps so application/file/and System size can be reduced. (until apple get's P.O'd Intel) There is already talk that some of the low end Laptops will switch to either AMD or ARM technology. I hope they don't go to ARM but AMD would be okay. Most El cheapo PC you get from WalMart and others use AMD anyway. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will there be security updates for 2.1?
Robert Kaiser wrote: PhillipJones schrieb: I'll be lurking and possibly making a comment ever y once in a while. But after trying 2.2 that was the last straw. Killing QuickTime? On Mac without the QuickTime Plugin there is nothing open images in Post or on websites. Must be a problem on your computer. We did not kill support for any plugin, and QuickTime is just a plugin. Robert Kaiser Works Fine in 2.0.19 worked okay in 2.1 though killed most of my extensions. In 2.2 there are four items Listed PDF being one and only using Reader as choice. Going to plugins almost all plugins are listed as disabled. In the listing of helpers in Preferences, there are only three items listed. In 2.0.19 There are about 35-40 listed. That always the mantra must be the computer. When you have older version of same program That works. the new version is never dysfunctional. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will there be security updates for 2.1?
Bill Davidsen wrote: PhillipJones wrote: I'll be lurking and possibly making a comment ever y once in a while. But after trying 2.2 that was the last straw. Killing QuickTime? On Mac without the QuickTime Plugin there is nothing open images in Post or on websites. I am saying with 2.0.19 or what every it end up being. I've heard that from other Mac users. Apple blocks Flash, SM drops Qtime, leaves people using Safari or whatever, I guess. Actually QuickTime 7 still works. The blocking flash is on the iPad, iPod, and iPhone. Flash is the number one crasher on the Mac. anything that runs a Flash file depending upon how written will crash what ever is running it. Not long ago I went to a Link put by someone swearing he had a Great looking website That was once hundred percent Flash each link he presented crash in any Browser. FF 3.6 , 4. 5 Camino, SeaMonkey, iCab, opera, OmniWeb and chrome, and Safari. so it was an issue with Flash no Mac not browsers Though it did bring down the browsers. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will there be security updates for 2.1?
Rufus wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Again, I'm mainly interested in *features* and how the interface will or won't be changed to accommodate the full-screen app implementation in the coming Mac Lion OS. I think that bothers me more than anything else because it is seriously going to alter my work flow for more than just SM - total elimination of PPC and Rosetta support being another huge concern for me. In the case of SM, I would think that the way around it would be opening SM Mail in a tab in the same window - which I recall hearing is on the road map, but I don't recall anyone saying just when I should expect it to appear. But I expect tabs within an app window will end up becomming the new window under Lion. Hopefully that model will not become the standard for more flexible OS. Tabs for window, then what, subtabs where we normally have tabs now? Love separate windows, I can move them onto separate desktops, even separate monitors on some systems. I can totally agree with you. And what if I want to do something like open two Word documents side by side to cut/paste/compare? How do I do that in a full screen app environment/interface? Apple does do seperate desktop Spaces - but only assignable to each app...so all Word docs would go to Space 1, for ex. So that's not going to work...and yeah - what do you do with multiple monitors? *Can* you still even use multiple monitors?.. I'm an Apple *disciple*, and I think they've really screwed up with this idea. At least I can go look at it in an Apple store before I make my mind up completely about it, but from some of the user comments I read on Macintouch I don't anticipate that Lion is going to roar for me. It won't roar for me for a while because I will have to travel 90 minutes one way or 4 hours another way just to download it. As we don't have Internet connections big enough in my community to download the 4 GB file. MR. Jobs stays too close to California Washington area. He needs to get out in Rural areas and see many people dealing with Dial-up slow DSL and Slow Cable. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 7/16/2011 10:05 PM, Graham wrote: Once again, I thank the Mozilla and Seamonkey teams for all their efforts: the web and all its browsers are much better for their efforts; even IE has improved by leaps and bounds because of Firefox. I won't be along for the ride, but I will keep an eye open, and may be back one day. Thank you for your constructive comments. While many of us (SeaMonkey Council) share your concerns with the Rapid Release Cycle, the brunt of the matter is that us, as a Mozilla Platform Consumer, are tied to the platform schedule -- unless we want to expose you, our users, to security issues. If the situation on that level changes, we can -- and will -- revisit our release schedule plans. While I do not feel that chrome is a better choice for you as a user, I do not condemn your choice to leave us for the time being, I just hope, one day, you will be back :-) While I won't be defecting to chrome (I have it but don't like it) I will be sticking with 2.0.x series until it takes choking Breath. I tried 2.2 and not only did it kill most of my extensions I had problems viewing emails with images. I went to check the number of Help applications and had four listings seems it Killed QuickTime 7 Plugin, and Flip4Mac and many other Plugins including Pdf Browser Plugin and all the Flash, Director and other plugins. Just plain dead in the water. I couldn't even use it to get in my own website. Its one thing to break extension bad enough. But when you start messing with Plugins and make viewing of websites unusable That's the last straw. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:25:47 -0700, /NoOp/: On 07/18/2011 05:28 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: ... If you're planning to move or take away our cheese, we still don't know about it. Succintly stated! :) We, users, can not influence the product. All we can do is offer our opinions after the fact and choose to stay or leave. I disagree. Users are *always* invited to participate in pre-release nightly testing, submit code, assist in providing suggestion, etc., etc. You'll not find that (or at least not as openly) in other products that offer the same a SeaMonkey. [...] And I fully agree with NoOp (including the rest of his reply), and I'm a SeaMonkey user. I tested SeaMonkey and Mozilla, and even Communicator Nighlies sent in the bug reports and made suggestions. After those years I decided I was wasting my time and effort. as The OP said users don't influence developers. All we can do as users is use the product and when it no longer works as it should decide to live with it or Move on. Unfortunately there really anything out there good enough to move on to. SO other like me I will choose to stay with an older version (the 2.0.x series). The last version that doesn't Break extensions and plugins. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: performance hit (Mac)?
Miles Fidelman wrote: Has anybody else noticed a performance hit with the 2.1/2.2 releases? On my Mac, I find that the newer releases spend considerably more time waiting on connections, and displaying spinning beachballs - and freezing everything else on my machine while doing so. I noticed that as well when I tried them out. 2.2 wouldn't even display graphics in email. was set to allow. But it wiped out all plugins that would handle the graphics so I went back to 2.0.19 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: this is what i hink ...
stango wrote: W3BNR wrote: On 7/21/2011 6:15 PM km submitted the following: ... it is gud for people to make comments abt what needs to be fixed with 'sm' BUTT these same people should suggest a way to implement their solution code. ... if you are NOT technical you should STFU! Save the Flying Unicorns? No, I think he meant Send The Fix Ups I think it actually meant Shut the ^%* Up -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Separate post: please help, I want to go back to an earlier version of SM
Best version ever put out in the 2 serious is 2.0x version. From 2. on goes down hill fast. Ken wrote: Gratitude to Philip Taylor for his response. Thanks, Philip. I saw one of your earlier posts (I think it was yours) about unwanted tabs in SM 2.2 and understood and sympathised completely. Please, anyone, what earlier version of SM might you recommend as particularly stable? Also - slightly off topic - can anyone tell me how to kill the box that opens every time I come here asking whether I want to compress my folders? (My answer would be - please tell me if I'm wrong - 'No, of course I don't want to do that unless I'm running out of space, but with a new computer and a vast hard drive, that seems to me hardly likely' - but the box gives me no such option, i.e., to say 'No', nor does it have a 'Don't show me this box in the future' option.) - Ken (in Oz) - Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Ken -- Hi guys. I have already posted the following as an adjunct to other threads but got no response. I will clarify below what I am seeking: Looks like I can't go back to SM 2.0.18 (I think it was - but it may have been 2.0.11). The 'Known Issues' note for SM 2.2 is headed (in bold), 'Data loss warning' and continues: 'If you use a profile with this or any later version and then try to go back to SeaMonkey 2.0, SeaMonkey will rename your history file to places.sqlite.corrupt and create a new places.qlite file, effectively resetting your browsing history.' Well, I don't pretend to understand all of that, but it does seem to be saying that I will lose data if I try to restore the SM version I had before. No? It would seem, from the text you cite and from the Known issues page : http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.2/#issues that the only expected data loss is your browsing history. Given that most of us now operate in paranoid mode, and clear the browser history on browser exit anyway, this does not seem to represent a serious risk. Like you, and like some other contributors to this list since the announcement/release of V2.2, I too feel that V2.2 has fixed far too much that ain't broke in the first place -- incremental releases should (IMHO) address security concerns, evolving standards such as CSS, and similar core issues, reserving major behavioural changes such as the new must use tabs philosophy and the no-longer-optional installation of Chatzilla for optional major release (i.e., Seamonkey 3). Philip Taylor. who understands the the world must move on philosophy, but who nonetheless finds Windows/XP, Classic View, Office 2003 and so on infinitely more user friendly than any of the more recent developments). -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I want my old Seamonkey back
Paul wrote: On Jul 23, 6:16 am, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: Could you point us to those? Seems like something we'd at least want to work around on 2.3 or so. I am going back, I can't live with 2.2 until someone fixes all the problems. If I lose data, I'm done with Mozilla-based programs. Don't people work out these details before they foist a mess like this on so many people? That's a Fault of this new fast Track software release. They don't test nor keep a version long enough so the Pile bugs upon bugs, upon, bugs, upon bugs until it impossible to fix. everyone is so anxious to keep up with Chrome and IE. I use neither. I don't care to. I would rather have software that's tested enough to catch major bugs. And at some point this hunker down and spit new versions is going to take its toll on the developers. they are going to get to the point they will burn out say Shxx on this and drop out. But hey I am but a lowly user and users opinions are worth a grain of salt anyway. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Separate post: please help, I want to go back to an earlier version of SM
Rufus wrote: Personally, I'll champion the 1.1.x series because even though I didn't use the Forms Manager there were enough people here who did to make it seem a very desired feature. 2.0.14 is working just fine for me...I'll be sticking with it. I agree. But if you have to go to 2 series. the 2.0.x is best version of the two series ever put out. 2.1 on you go down hill fast. Kills addons and Kill plugins. 2.2 I tried and only 4 helper files were listed. Before then the were 30-35 helper files listed. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
Ant wrote: On 7/20/2011 6:20 PM PT, Paul B. Gallagher typed: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. It works fine in my old SeaMonkey v2.0.18 in an old Windows XP Pro. SP3 machine. However, it uses Bing.com. Why not go there directly instead of through National Geographic's web site? Works perfectly for me SeaMonkey 2.0.14. 2.1 has killed a slew of extensions, and 2.3 has killed a slew of plugins in addition to the extensions. I expect a required plug-in need to view the map is dead, and can not be resuscitated. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
S. Beaulieu wrote: Keith Whaley a écrit : Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That's odd as when I click the Reply button to reply to a message from the list (like this one), only the group's address shows up in my address bar, never the original sender's. I've never had to take any special care in replying. I don't understand why that wouldn't be the case for Philip and you. S. See this http://www.screencast.com/t/Ed4zTltF3zEr It grayed out here because its in this newsgroup Email and some newsgroups they are active. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 11:17 AM, S. Beaulieu wrote: Keith Whaley a écrit : Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That's odd as when I click the Reply button to reply to a message from the list (like this one), only the group's address shows up in my address bar, never the original sender's. I've never had to take any special care in replying. I don't understand why that wouldn't be the case for Philip and you. S. Philip and Keith are using the maill list rather than nntp. Nope I am using the NNTP Connection never been on a List -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 04:01 PM, PhillipJones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 11:17 AM, S. Beaulieu wrote: Keith Whaley a écrit : Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That's odd as when I click the Reply button to reply to a message from the list (like this one), only the group's address shows up in my address bar, never the original sender's. I've never had to take any special care in replying. I don't understand why that wouldn't be the case for Philip and you. S. Philip and Keith are using the maill list rather than nntp. Nope I am using the NNTP Connection never been on a List Is your name Philip? Yes. Years ago when I was using Netscape Navigator I had to sign up to be allowed to even post to list But have always used NNTP Connection. I had to be invited and give my email address and name but once invited. I subscribe to Netscape the Communicator Mac, the Mozilla , then SeaMonkey, FireFox, and Thunderbird. I've since unsubscribed from Thunderbird and for rare post I really only read FF. But not once have I ever received a Post from and email list from Mozilla/Netscape. even after I signed up. My email address is the one I have been using for years, when I first Started it didn't have the 1 in it. I've never made any attempt hide my email address or my name. my name is the one I was born with. The CET designation stands for Certified Electronics Technician. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windows font-rendering engine in 2.2
Robert Kaiser wrote: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) schrieb: I /think/ that Justin Wood recognised this (as evidenced by his closing I doubt this is legit though, so please carry on., but his earlier Umm seriously does cast some doubt on this conjecture. I think that Justin is used to reading very strange opinions around here and therefore (just like me) never knows if a WTF? moment in here is humor or if that person saying that really meant it. We have seen a lot of the latter over the years. Robert Kaiser That's what emoticons are for. :-) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.2 e-mail client : where has right=click Paste as quotation gone ?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: PhillipJones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 04:01 PM, PhillipJones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/26/2011 11:17 AM, S. Beaulieu wrote: Keith Whaley a écrit : Every time I send a response to a message on this group, I need special care that I don't end up sending my response to ONLY the person who posted his message last. That's odd as when I click the Reply button to reply to a message from the list (like this one), only the group's address shows up in my address bar, never the original sender's. I've never had to take any special care in replying. I don't understand why that wouldn't be the case for Philip and you. S. Philip and Keith are using the maill list rather than nntp. Nope I am using the NNTP Connection never been on a List Is your name Philip? Yes. ... I believe NoOp was asking if you were Philip Taylor (one L), whom you are not. As you can see from Philip's message headers, he is accessing the newsgroup via the mailing list feature and not via the NNTP feature as you and I do. You need not protest as he was not addressing you. Thanks but he asked who is Phillip and there is more than one. Just getting my end straight. :-) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3
Robert Kaiser wrote: Daniel schrieb: Ant, is there any development still occuring in the 2.0.x series?? No development, and no security or stability fixing. Robert Kaiser At least they won't be mucking around and screwing things up like in the 2.1, 2.2,2.3,2.4,2.5 and so on series. Making fewer things work. with each newer iterations. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tab Groups
Ed Mullen wrote: Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey? I hope not. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3
Robert Kaiser wrote: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) schrieb: From my reading of this list (which is, of course, biased by my own perspectives), it seems to me that the majority of Seamonkey users would prefer stability and security in preference to regularly-shipped progress. Well, the mass of innovation-resistant people posting in those forums is at least one of the reasons why I moved away my focus from SeaMonkey and work on making Firefox more stable (in terms of not crashing) now. Robert Kaiser Well I don't like the changes in FireFox as well. I'm still using 3.6.19 for the foreseeable feature. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tab Groups
Ray_Net wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 8/5/2011 3:01 PM, Ed Mullen wrote: Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey? It is a relatively desired feature for me, but it is a LARGE change, with LOTS of moving parts and interactions, so I do not suspect we would see it anytime soon, even if we had two paid developers. (Firefox had a team of many developers working on the feature, before it was shipped in any version; and it had many bugs when it did ship anyway, that are still being squished -- nevermind rough edges that still exist) I HATE TABS !!! :-) Me as well. I prefer separate windows, or window that switch content from one to the other. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tab Groups
Daniel wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 8/5/2011 3:01 PM, Ed Mullen wrote: Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey? It is a relatively desired feature for me, but it is a LARGE change, with LOTS of moving parts and interactions, so I do not suspect we would see it anytime soon, even if we had two paid developers. (Firefox had a team of many developers working on the feature, before it was shipped in any version; and it had many bugs when it did ship anyway, that are still being squished -- nevermind rough edges that still exist) I HATE TABS !!! :-) And *YOU* don't have to use them, as far as I know, Ray!! I'm not sure of that the wise Prophets at Mozilla will fix it so you have no choice but tabs. They will want you to use them whether you like them or not. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re:Tab Groups
Daniel wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 8/5/2011 3:01 PM, Ed Mullen wrote: Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey? It is a relatively desired feature for me, but it is a LARGE change, with LOTS of moving parts and interactions, so I do not suspect we would see it anytime soon, even if we had two paid developers. (Firefox had a team of many developers working on the feature, before it was shipped in any version; and it had many bugs when it did ship anyway, that are still being squished -- nevermind rough edges that still exist) I HATE TABS !!! :-) And *YOU* don't have to use them, as far as I know, Ray!! I'm not sure of that the wise Prophets at Mozilla will fix it so you have no choice but tabs. They will want you to use them whether you like them or not. This better not be taken off again! This was a proper comment about SeaMonkey. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
RE: Tab Groups
Ray_Net wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 8/5/2011 3:01 PM, Ed Mullen wrote: Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey? It is a relatively desired feature for me, but it is a LARGE change, with LOTS of moving parts and interactions, so I do not suspect we would see it anytime soon, even if we had two paid developers. (Firefox had a team of many developers working on the feature, before it was shipped in any version; and it had many bugs when it did ship anyway, that are still being squished -- nevermind rough edges that still exist) I HATE TABS !!! :-) Me as well. I prefer separate windows, or window that switch content from one to the other. This is a Proper comment about SeaMonkey. leave its alone It refers to the subject Tab Groups coming to SeaMonkey. It better no be taken off again. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Robert Kaiser wrote: Joe Rotello schrieb: Firefox updates This is a SeaMonkey newsgroup, please take Firefox discussions to a Firefox group. Robert Kaiser read the title again new 2.3 Now realize that Fire Fox is up to version 5, 6, 7, 8 or whatever. Its obvious that whom ever started the thread clearly men SeaMonkey. Read the subject line people. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Robert Kaiser wrote: Joe Rotello schrieb: Firefox updates This is a SeaMonkey newsgroup, please take Firefox discussions to a Firefox group. Robert Kaiser The original post meant SeaMonkey. FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever. SM increments their major updates by .1's 2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Robert Kaiser wrote: PhillipJones schrieb: The original post meant SeaMonkey. It didn't. FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever. SM increments their major updates by .1's 2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on. That is just a different numbering system, the rate and size of updates is very similar. Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics: But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them. Robert Kaiser I was referring to the admonition that the thread should be in FireFox. when the op meant SeaMonkey and wrote Firefox. FireFox 2.3 is so old it has a beard as long as mine. Gee I thought I was the one that didn't catch on so quick. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: PhillipJones schrieb: The original post meant SeaMonkey. It didn't. FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever. SM increments their major updates by .1's 2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on. That is just a different numbering system, the rate and size of updates is very similar. Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics: But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them. Robert Kaiser ...somebody clue me in on what this is all about? I guess this time I'm on the side of the developers...the new release schedule is something I can completely understand for once...and it certainly doesn't bother me. The numbers are just a reference and don't mean much in and of themselves, as stated. I get it. What's the problem? Just because releases come fast and furious doesn't mean that a user has to update on anyone's schedule but their own. They may need to pay more attention to the release notes and be more aware of what they're missing/getting, but in the end they are still in charge of administering their own machines...right? the OP of this thread obviously meant SM 2.3 and mistakenly wrote FF. And some of the people that show know better are demanding the thread be moved to FF. FF 2.3 has a beard as long as mine. Its obvious it was meant for SeaMonkey. I agree SM and (for that matter FF) is being updated too often. they release a new version even before they, even fix bugs from the previous versions. So they end up piling on bug after Bug. The proper thing to do is fix the bugs in current release get it stable then add new features and fix bugs from the new feature and get that stable. The way we are going, we will get a reputation Like Intuit. when they come out with a new release the don't fix bugs from previous release. So they pile new bugs on top. Quicken and Quickbooks are almost unusable. Because the put features over fixing bugs. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Rufus wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: PhillipJones schrieb: The original post meant SeaMonkey. It didn't. FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever. SM increments their major updates by .1's 2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on. That is just a different numbering system, the rate and size of updates is very similar. Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics: But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them. Robert Kaiser ...somebody clue me in on what this is all about? I guess this time I'm on the side of the developers...the new release schedule is something I can completely understand for once...and it certainly doesn't bother me. The numbers are just a reference and don't mean much in and of themselves, as stated. I get it. What's the problem? Just because releases come fast and furious doesn't mean that a user has to update on anyone's schedule but their own. They may need to pay more attention to the release notes and be more aware of what they're missing/getting, but in the end they are still in charge of administering their own machines...right? the OP of this thread obviously meant SM 2.3 and mistakenly wrote FF. And some of the people that show know better are demanding the thread be moved to FF. FF 2.3 has a beard as long as mine. Its obvious it was meant for SeaMonkey. I agree SM and (for that matter FF) is being updated too often. they release a new version even before they, even fix bugs from the previous versions. So they end up piling on bug after Bug. The proper thing to do is fix the bugs in current release get it stable then add new features and fix bugs from the new feature and get that stable. The way we are going, we will get a reputation Like Intuit. when they come out with a new release the don't fix bugs from previous release. So they pile new bugs on top. Quicken and Quickbooks are almost unusable. Because the put features over fixing bugs. I guess I don't really have an issue with the frequency of updates, and I don't use Quicken or Quickbooks, but I do/could have an issue with quality control...in either case I just need to be a bit more vigilant and pay attention to the release notes and user commentary, as I've said. The new release schedule and numbering don't bother me one bit other than that. *This* surprises the crap out of me though, considering some of what I've read here elsewhere - http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/ ...and you get it via the Apple App Store. This is something they have been working on for years. and finally put out. Shame they haven't come out with one for BlackBerry. iPhone Andriod, and BlackBerry (RIM) are the three major players. MS bringing up the rear. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:37:53 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/: Putting a reasoned argument on behalf of those who prefer stability and security to non-essential change is not bitching; it is offering a constructive criticism that should be interpreted as such. The problem with the so called constructive criticism I see widespread in this group, is it doesn't help keeping the SeaMonkey product alive, most importantly, and then usable, both related to the Mozilla platform dependency remark I've given previously. if its widespread doesn't tell you something. Since the Mozilla all in one was broken up to SM FF, and TB. Mozilla doesn't give as rat's behind what happens to SM. Its what the users of SeaMonkey are interested SM. SM should cater to the users. If it was left to Mozilla Org. They would put a stake in SeaMonkey and burn it. have you read all the complaints from corporations that have left FireFox because of this rapid release Madness. Corporate users are the number one users of Mozilla products. And users are running away in droves. Only recently have Mozilla tried courting the Corporate users and figuring out a way to not release faster than Corporate IT's can keep up. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:12:48 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/: I agree that some of the critiques have lacked focus; but in general, I believe that those who are most vocal in criticising the current changes in Seamonkey development and release are also amongst those who are most deeply concerned that Seamonkey /should/ remain alive and usable : they are, in the main, people who (for better or worse) have come to depend on Seamonkey, and who are genuinely afraid that recent changes do not bode well for the future. The only thing I'm genuinely afraid of is that the last few people who care about, and have enough knowledge to develop and maintain SeaMonkey might loose interest because of so much unreasonable criticism going on. From my point of view every change to the SeaMonkey 2+ versions is well justified and reflects the capabilities of the SeaMonkey team. This is what I've been trying to explain previously, and further below. What we need (IMHO) is a genuine debate between users and developers; a little less sniping, and a better appreciation by each side of the wishes of, and constraints on, the other side, would go a long way towards ensuring a viable future for this most valuable suite of software. Your reply leads me to think you don't really understand the status quo, although you state so. Most of the features people vocally criticize the SeaMonkey developers about are not written by the SeaMonkey devs themselves, but by the core Mozilla platform team. The SeaMonkey devs are far too few in order to provide maintenance of old code, they have not really written, or to implement it anew, on top of the evolving Mozilla platform. The SeaMonkey devs try their best to preserve much of the original Mozilla Suite features perceived as most important to people, but it is not always possible because of major core changes introduced by the platform. I guess this is something vocally criticizing people in here can't really understand, being not interested in how the Mozilla platform evolves, and then how it affects the SeaMonkey project, which apart from some hardware infrastructure is not sponsored by the Mozilla organization in any way (as far as I'm aware). And finally, as Robert Kaiser have already pointed out, innovation-resistance won't make SeaMonkey any better. Its no point in point out anything. Everything is set in stone. everyone refuses to listen. I don't like the route FF has gone in. But when you get to the point you kill off Internet plugins that have word for ages and still should work. That the point I stop upgrading. With 2.3 I can't even view large sections of my own website. and I set up so it 4.0.1 Strict. I use a lot of PDF's and no pdf's will work. Same thing happened on Safari 5.1 so I went back to 5.0.5 the last that worked. So I am sticking wit 2.0.14 until it no longer works. Messing with Pluggins is a no no. Extension Fine if they are updated. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 09/08/2011 21:18, Rufus told the world: ...it was a suggestion for a *new* SM product from the *SM* team because someone posed a question - and not even that particular product, it's an *example*...crap, can't anybody around here think *conceptually*? ...are you suggesting that the already-too-small developing team we DO have in Seamonkey take time out of the project to develop an *entirely new product*? It's $ :-) and $$$ can buy people ... I wish I could write that you're so busy fighting the alligators snapping on your tails that you don't have time to drain the swamp. But then y'all seem to be charging forth (the image of the elephant herd) reworking FF+TB into SM , and maybe spending a little time with the broom and pooper scooper brigade. Rather than being locked into Firefox running itself into the ground and following suit. I suggest the developers at SeaMonkey say goodbye to Mozilla and switch to web-kit engine. Then you can work at a slower pace and fix bugs and provide something users want. rather than what Mozilla demands you do. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: html5 demo
Stéphane Grégoire wrote: Hi, cyberzen a tapoté, le 10/08/2011 11:41: I can hear the noisy music I can also hear the music! Music only in SM 2.0.14 Latest Firefox and Aurora show the video. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 10/08/2011 16:45, Justin Wood (Callek) told the world: PhillipJones wrote: Rather than being locked into Firefox running itself into the ground and following suit. I suggest the developers at SeaMonkey say goodbye to Mozilla and switch to web-kit engine. Then you can work at a slower pace and fix bugs and provide something users want. rather than what Mozilla demands you do. Not going to happen, sorry. People keep coming back with this switch to Webkit idea like it was a real option, it was easy and it was some sort of magic bullet. It is none of those. First of all, you have to consider that Seamonkey is written in XUL. XUL was created specifically to be a cross-platform user interface development language/environment. The only way to run XUL is on Gecko. There are NO other implementations. So, to port Seamonkey to another platform means rewriting it from scratch. Now comes the second thing: the mail client. Which currently is related to Thunderbird, which also runs on XUL and Gecko. So besides the browser, there is the need to either rewrite the entire mail client or to find a way to integrate a separate, existing client which evolved independently of Webkit browsers. Then, the third thing: Webkit is a smaller, more focused project than Gecko. Meaning it's an HTML rendering engine, and just that. Gecko is a much more ambitious and complex project. This means Webkit is comparatively small and lean. But it also mean that Webkit has nothing that comes even in the same *continent* regarding running an UI. You have to write the UI using native widgets. So that project of rewriting Seamonkey's UI? Now it is *three* separate projects: one for Windows, one for Mac and one for Linux. To sum up... the amount of work involved in porting Seamonkey to Webkit is staggering, several times bigger then to keep updating and improving the current software on Gecko. And the gains, frankly? I expect to be small to nonexistent. Gecko *is* a fine browser engine. Webkit is currently better than Gecko in a number of metrics, but not by that much, and Gecko is improving fast too. But there are points where Gecko is ahead of Webkit -- witness the recent WebGL demos, which run fine on Firefox 5 and Seamonkey 2.2 (current releases), but not on Chrome 13. The losses, though, would be huge. First of all, forget the current extension ecosystem. It would no longer be compatible, plain and simple. To be able to use Chrome extensions, Seamonkey would have to forgo a lot of its own design roots and get very close to the Chrome design. Worse, we would be talking about a few years before having a production-class product. In that time, the current Seamonkey would be languishing without improvements, becoming more and more obsolete and bleeding users. The final product, if it ever saw the light of the day, would look nothing like Seamonkey -- it would be an unholy amalgam of Chromium and some mail client (Evolution, perhaps?), years late, lacking features that Seamonkey has now, less extensible... and no users left by then. I can't imagine a surer way to kill Seamonkey than attempting to move to Webkit. We got to get away from Mozilla and having to following them Lock step. They've all ready Po'd the number one people that use FF by more or less flipping off Businesses. At the rate they are going Mozilla will be just a memory in year or two. Come up with something else. I don't care if it webKit or first aid kit. So long as we have a product we can have something that doesn't break something new every 4-6 weeks. We are being killed with this fast release stuff. tried 2.3.3a and does not do PDF's. Half of my Web site is pdf's I'm have to resort to using Chrome or iCab or Opera to test items I add. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ... pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at Mozilla News. It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message. Now it don't do it no more. Help! How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now? What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean? I removed it. See http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3. Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJoness' article from the Mozilla News server? If so, Why? The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page. All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that (even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)? Because Chris is Chris. nough said. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Keith Whaley wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 10/08/2011 16:45, Justin Wood (Callek) told the world: PhillipJones wrote: [...] I strongly suspect he wasn't interviewed by CNN, and in the end, he didn't email the world. All he did was to email somebody on this list. Somewhat complicated at times, but hardly as earthshakingly important as suggested. keith whaley Obviously Chris is unaware that FireFox 2.3 is about 4 years old or more. The person meant obviously SeaMonkey 2.3. but typed FF 2.3 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ... pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at Mozilla News. It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message. Now it don't do it no more. Help! How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now? What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean? I removed it. See http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3. Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJoness' article from the Mozilla News server? If so, Why? The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page. All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that (even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)? I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to cite: Chris Ilias View profile More options Jun 15, 4:47 pm On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote: That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it, it gone be daxxxed. Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past, you've spread a lot of misinformation about developers, Mozilla, SeaMonkey, and me, and smeared them with bigoted comments. Enough is enough. From now on, if you post an accusation against Mozilla, the SeaMonkey council, or developers, *without backing it up* , your post will be removed. I was not privy to that comment public or private. Fine if he wants to play it that way. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Radical change in topic. Now a newsreader Q. was (Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often
NoOp wrote: On 08/11/2011 08:02 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-08-11 12:37 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Looking at this posting, I see that there was a follow up posting by PhillipJones to my cynical posting I wish I could writhe ... ... pooper scooper brigade. But I can not find PhillipJoness' posting at Mozilla News. It used to be that clicking on the Message-ID of the appropriate message in the References: list would go out and retrieve the message. Now it don't do it no more. Help! How do I find and retrieve such articles/postings now? What is SM doing now? What are the options, and what do they mean? I removed it. See http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/e1b618a1563e79a3. Do you mean that you censored, removed, deleted, PhillipJoness' article from the Mozilla News server? If so, Why? The link you provide above takes me to a google groups login page. All my tries to retrieve previous articles by clicking on Message-IDs or the numbers assigned them in the References: list are directed by SM to the google groups login page. When did you folks begin doing that (even for articles listed as present on the Mozilla News server)? I don't get a login page, I just get the post Chris intended to cite: Chris Ilias View profile More options Jun 15, 4:47 pm On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote: That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it, it gone be daxxxed. Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past, you've spread a lot of misinformation about developers, Mozilla, SeaMonkey, and me, and smeared them with bigoted comments. Enough is enough. From now on, if you post an accusation against Mozilla, the SeaMonkey council, or developers, *without backing it up* , your post will be removed. And the full thread is here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.seamonkey.user/25595 I reread all my Comments. Didn't see any That justified removal. But, If they wants to play it that way. So be it. looks like a clear cut case of not allowing free speech. I based all my comments on my personal experiences. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2 issues with Seamonky 2.2
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: You can also just middle-click on tabs to close them. How would one simulate a middle-click with a 2-button mouse, Stanimir ? Philip Taylor How would you simulate Middle click with track pad built in a Laptop? -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2 issues with Seamonky 2.2
David E. Ross wrote: On 8/13/11 9:34 AM, Juiceman wrote: When I installed SM 2.2 my bookmarks are gone. Second problem is annoying more than a problem, there isn't a little x on the tab to close it. You have to rt click to close the tab. I sure would like to see my bookmarks again. Any ideas how to fix this?? B When you say my bookmarks are gone, do you mean you cannot find the file bookmarks.html? Or do you mean that, when you go to the menu bar and select [Bookmarks Manage Bookmarks], the Bookmarks Manager window shows no bookmarks? That was my case when I tried out 2.3.3.a I had copied over all the bookmarks from my 2.0 Profile into a new Profile. The files were there, in the profile none showed up. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2 issues with Seamonky 2.2
David E. Ross wrote: On 8/13/11 3:50 PM, PhillipJones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 8/13/11 9:34 AM, Juiceman wrote: When I installed SM 2.2 my bookmarks are gone. Second problem is annoying more than a problem, there isn't a little x on the tab to close it. You have to rt click to close the tab. I sure would like to see my bookmarks again. Any ideas how to fix this?? B When you say my bookmarks are gone, do you mean you cannot find the file bookmarks.html? Or do you mean that, when you go to the menu bar and select [Bookmarks Manage Bookmarks], the Bookmarks Manager window shows no bookmarks? That was my case when I tried out 2.3.3.a I had copied over all the bookmarks from my 2.0 Profile into a new Profile. The files were there, in the profile none showed up. If you have the bookmarks.html file, open the Bookmarks Manager (as I indicated earlier). On the Bookmarks Manager menu bar, select [Tools Import HTML]. On the Import Wizard popup dialogue, select the File radio button and then the Next button. On the Import Bookmarks File file-selection window, navigate to the bookmarks.html file and select it. The rest should be easy. Thanks I'll have to try when 2.3 or 2.4. I'm determined to try until I get one that works I might try. I hope PDF support return by 2.4. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tab Groups
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: PhillipJones wrote: flyguy wrote: I love tabs - they are a major reason I switched away from IE years ago. I group my tabs by using another window: weather window (27 tabs), NYT window (5 to 10 tabs, depending on the news an editorials that day), shopping search window (5 to 20 or so), and so on. I don't have the need for any more grouping than that. I'm not a fan of tabs I prefer windows. So you would rather have 37 to 57 (as in flyguy's situation) separate windows open? Each with a button on your taskbar? How would you keep track? It has been weeks, maybe months, since I had more than one browser window open... Actually the way I have 2.0.14 setup each new window content replace the old window connect. Unless for some reason the Web site generate a new window. And who want 57 *tabs* or windows open at onetime doesn't that weigh down the application and slow things down. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey2 - themes issues
sean nathan bean wrote: Sailfish sent me the following:: My bloviated meandering follows what Sailfish graced us with on 8/9/2011 5:56 PM: My bloviated meandering follows what Bret Busby graced us with on 7/3/2011 9:22 PM: My unbuntu 8.04 on my old(ish) laptop computer has just upgraded the Seamonkey to version 2. It has changed the appearance of Seamonkey, to some silly looking theme, that is listed as the default theme. It appears that software developers design software for their own pleasure, and not for the users. The Classic theme will not install. The Littlemonkey theme has some silly looking phallic symbols to the left of the toolbars. Is is possible to get a traditional looking theme for Seamonkey 2.x, so that we can have a decent appearance for Seamonkey, like the themes from Seamonkey 1 or Netscape? I've just ported the SM1.x Modern Mozillium theme to SM2.2+. It is available on my server, https://www.projectit.com/ . Additionally, I still plan to port the other SeaMonkey themes like (Race Day and Venerable Modern) as time permits. Fell free to comment back here with any problems or suggestions. You may email me directly, too, if replying by email, I have blacklisted most of the popular email sites such as, aol, gmail, hotmail, yahoo, c. If you prefer to contact me via email, first reply to this response with your email addy (munged if you prefer) and I will add you to my whitelist and send you a confirmation email. I've just ported the SM1.x Venerable Modern theme to SM2.2+. It is available on my server, https://www.projectit.com/ when visiting the site using SeaMonkey 2.2x. Venerable Modern was one of the original themes for the Mozilla Suite making its debut at version M18. In many ways, it is one of the most beautiful themes with its darker violet hues and toolbar buttons. As an added bonus, incorporated in this theme is a derivative skin named, Venerable Chrome Modern authored by storm119. The best way of explaining it is that it is a hybrid of Modern Mozillium and Venerable Modern. To enable it, click the Subskin link for instructions. Additionally, I still plan to port the other SeaMonkey themes like (Race Day and, hopefully, Toy Factory and Sky Pilot Classic) as time permits. Lastly, I've also updated the Modern Mozillium theme and fixed a number styling errors or previously unstyled elements. Fell free to comment back here with any problems or suggestions. You may email me directly, too, if replying by email, I have blacklisted most of the popular email sites such as, aol, gmail, hotmail, yahoo, c. If you prefer to contact me via email, first reply to this response with your email addy (munged if you prefer) and I will add you to my whitelist and send you a confirmation email. just installed Venerable Modern... still like it... greatly appreciate the theme updates... toy factory was always a fave... but i think i like more subtlety in my aging years... sean sean I think Sky Pilot to be the best Theme ever designed for Mozilla Products. I would be using it now, if it was compatible. I like the ability to click in the dividers and open and close completely. instead of having to pull them down. I use three pane mode, and and there are times when I want to pull the window down to mark groups of items as read or as spam without reading them. The was a big flap several years ago, about this they wanted to remove two three lines of code to save space, and the current themes have this ability killed as a result. you have to grab the divider pull all the way down then when complete pull back up. a Big time waster. SkyPilot had this feature where you click on the divider and it would open all the way down (hiding the reading window) click on it again ad it opens back to original setting. I want it available for SeaMonkey and FireFox. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey2 - themes issues
Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: PhillipJones wrote: I think Sky Pilot to be the best Theme ever designed for Mozilla Products. I would be using it now, if it was compatible. I like the ability to click in the dividers and open and close completely. instead of having to pull them down. I use three pane mode, and and there are times when I want to pull the window down to mark groups of items as read or as spam without reading them. The was a big flap several years ago, about this they wanted to remove two three lines of code to save space, and the current themes have this ability killed as a result. you have to grab the divider pull all the way down then when complete pull back up. a Big time waster. SkyPilot had this feature where you click on the divider and it would open all the way down (hiding the reading window) click on it again ad it opens back to original setting. I want it available for SeaMonkey and FireFox. Is your Thread-Pane | Message-Body-Pane divider-grippy non-functional on Mac, Phillip ? The left-click open/restore and drag and drop divider-grippies, have been and remain, a valued part and parcel of the Linux SeaMonkey Modern themed user-experience. I can't remember any dysfunction in the nightly explosive development editions (Well, maybe once a good many years ago, when Neil had to fix them). I can assert that they are still OK in Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0a1) Gecko/20110813 SeaMonkey/2.5a1 ID:20110813003053 (Caveat: Trunk nightlies destroy stuff.) Yes has been for ages in the SeaMonkey Standard window. I was sing Orbit 3+ 1 which had the Grippy Function returned But anything Past 2.0.x its been killed. I hate when they make stupid changes just to save 2-3 line of code for something that functioned well. With Processor Speed and Hard Drive space what code they left of would make about as much as one fly sitting on a 3story house. I suspect it was taken out because the people that took it out didn't use it. And they figured if they didn't use it no one uses it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey2 - themes issues
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:41:03 +0100, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: The left-click open/restore and drag and drop divider-grippies, have been and remain, a valued part and parcel of the Linux SeaMonkey Modern themed user-experience. I don't use any themes, but using Seamonkey V2.2 under Windows XP I certainly have the ability to conceal or disclose a pane by clicking on the central (dotted, between two triangles) region of a divider. However ... I /thought/ I used to be able to lay out the three panes (I am speaking Mail/News here) in at least two different geometries, but trying to achieve that recently on my wife's modern 16:9 geometry screen, I could no longer find that geometry setting. Does it still exist, and if so, could someone please remind me where to locate it ? Philip Taylor On a Mac we have two mutually incompatible needs. On one hand we want to look like a native Mac application which means conforming to the Apple HIG. Unfortunately splitter grippies don't exist in the native Mac widget set. On the other hand we also want SeaMonkey to behave like the traditional Mozilla Suite. So the challenge is to come up with some UI for the splitter grippy (that does the collapse/expand toggle) that doesn't look too un-Mac-ish. So it's actually there but you may not realize that that's the grippy where you need to click on. Phil No it doesn't. you can click on the little dot in the center till the cows come home and nothing happens and there there is no dot at all on the left side for the side pane. when there was a functioning grippy you click on it and it would pop all the way down to bottom. click on it and it would pop back up to previous position. I I need to move it all the way down to the bottom I have to drag it the drag it Back up. Same action in FireFox, and Thunderbird as well. Why do you have to go by Apple Guidelines anyway for a web Browser/ email Client.? I prefer Mac over PC. But there is a few things Apple do I think is dumb. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tab Groups
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: flyguy wrote: [it appears Phillip's post is missing, so I'll answer here] PhillipJones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: PhillipJones wrote: flyguy wrote: I love tabs - they are a major reason I switched away from IE years ago. I group my tabs by using another window: weather window (27 tabs), NYT window (5 to 10 tabs, depending on the news an editorials that day), shopping search window (5 to 20 or so), and so on. I don't have the need for any more grouping than that. I'm not a fan of tabs I prefer windows. So you would rather have 37 to 57 (as in flyguy's situation) separate windows open? Each with a button on your taskbar? How would you keep track? It has been weeks, maybe months, since I had more than one browser window open... Actually the way I have 2.0.14 setup each new window content replace the old window connect. Unless for some reason the Web site generate a new window. So you actually don't have many windows open - you just reuse the one you had. You only have one site open at a time. Just like a person with one tab open. True. I not interested in looking at 40-50 items at one time. If I need to go to a another link I just click and it replaces the contents of the window I was looking at it. I rarely if ever need to go back to a previous page. when I am through I hit Home and go to my ISP's home page. To me having a whole lot of stuff open is distracting. You and other may think Tabs are greater than sliced Bread. But I'm not impressed. And who want 57 *tabs* or windows open at onetime doesn't that weigh down the application and slow things down. I would doubt that, given a computer with sufficient power/ram. This old box of mine is a P4 with just 1GB ram and it handles two dozen tabs, about my normal limit of concentration, easily. I currently have 2.8 Ghz Processor and 8 GB Ram with 500GB SATA Hard Drive, so speed and space is not issue. I just hate tabs. One of these days I expect I will have no choice and have to use tabs. but for now, I'm happy with windows only. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tab Groups
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: [big snip] So you actually don't have many windows open - you just reuse the one you had. You only have one site open at a time. Just like a person with one tab open. True. I not interested in looking at 40-50 items at one time. If I need to go to a another link I just click and it replaces the contents of the window I was looking at it. I rarely if ever need to go back to a previous page. when I am through I hit Home and go to my ISP's home page. To me having a whole lot of stuff open is distracting. You and other may think Tabs are greater than sliced Bread. But I'm not impressed. So your normal habits are far different than flyguy's, or mine. Seems then that your comments about tabs aren't to be taken as 'advice'. One of these days I expect I will have no choice and have to use tabs. but for now, I'm happy with windows only. As long as you want to have only one web page open at a time, you will never have to change your habits and deal with tabs. Who said it was advice. I was just commenting on the fact not everyone is enamored of using tabs. I read perhaps in this thread several people other than myself don't like tabs. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tab Groups
Philipp van Hüllen wrote: So we should all celebrate an environment, where people can work with or without tabs, windows, etc. pp. With bookmarks or address collection. Anybody as (s)he likes. Let's hope, most things stay optional in the future still. :-) BR/Philipp I too agree. I just fear the day a decision will be made, That they are doing away with windows settings and it will be Tabs only. So far I have yet to get a version other than 2.0.14 to work. 2.2 killed plugins, and extensions 2.1 extensions. 2.3 Can't get my book marks to come over in addition the the other problems. I can import the HTML copy but all personal Bookmarks are gone . Will take months to rebuild them. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks gone
erwincas wrote: I'm currently using SM 2.5a1 (Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0a1) Gecko/20110815 Firefox/8.0a1 SeaMonkey/2.5a1) which updates every night, but with the last update my bookmarks gone, I only have the labels and nothing else. I know this is a Nightly build, so I think that this is a bug. In my experience Its been broke since 2.3.3a. I created a new profile. copied over my 2.0.14 profile items. on 2.1 worked though it stomped on my Extensions. 2.2 kept the foot down on the extensions, plus Stomped on my Plugins, 2.3.3a kept feet down on extensions and Plugins. Then choked out my Bookmarks and my personal Bookmark items which will take months to recreate. so gar 2.0.14 is the only SeaMonkey Version. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks gone
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:50:00 -0700 (PDT), /erwincas/: I'm currently using SM 2.5a1 (Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0a1) Gecko/20110815 Firefox/8.0a1 SeaMonkey/2.5a1) which updates every night, but with the last update my bookmarks gone, I only have the labels and nothing else. I know this is a Nightly build, so I think that this is a bug. I hope you've read and understand http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/#testing: To cut things short, we're happy about everyone testing those builds, but be very careful and keep backups of your data if you do so, as some of the code you're testing might not have been tested at all before. If you find a problem with nightly builds you could always file a bug http://www.seamonkey-project.org/community#bugreport. Just be sure to follow the Bug Writing Guidelines, especially writing exact steps to reproduce https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Bug_Writing_Guidelines#Writing_precise_steps_to_reproduce. Now to the exact problem you're experiencing, I hope you've read the release notes (the Known Issues) for 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3 versions: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1/#issues http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.2/#issues http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.3/#issues All of these state: * Data loss warning: If you use a profile with this or any later version and then try to go back to SeaMonkey 2.0, SeaMonkey will rename your history file to places.sqlite.corrupt and create a new places.sqlite file, effectively resetting your browsing history. This is because the internal format changed and the upgrade process only works in one direction. In any case you go back using your profile with SeaMonkey 2.0, even for just one session, you'll find your bookmarks gone starting with SeaMonkey 2.1 and subsequent versions, next. You may restore your bookmarks and history by renaming the new places.sqlite to places.sqlite.blank, and then places.sqlite.corrupt to places.sqlite, or you may just import your SM 2.0 bookmarks.html as instructed here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/2.1/FAQ#Bookmarks Yes I Understand and I do have. else I would not be using my 2.0.14 now. From my understanding of what I have been reading, the developers have no idea how to fix this problem of not converting bookmarks and it can strike anytime with no warning. This should be the top number one bug to be fixed. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: password manager keeps crashing
Jens Hatlak wrote: James Osbourn wrote: The crash reports that I have listed are as follows: bp-8a2cfa19-a5f4-41de-92e4-40e712110813 13/08/2011 21:28 Maybe a Flash crash (AFAICS IPC is involved). Try disabling Flash (about:addons, Plugins, Shockwave Flash, Disable). HTH Jens By the way: There is a new version of Flash just out. I just downloaded the latest version Flash for mac this morning. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks gone
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:33:00 -0400, /PhillipJones/: erwincas wrote: I'm currently using SM 2.5a1 (Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0a1) Gecko/20110815 Firefox/8.0a1 SeaMonkey/2.5a1) which updates every night, but with the last update my bookmarks gone, I only have the labels and nothing else. I know this is a Nightly build, so I think that this is a bug. In my experience Its been broke since 2.3.3a. I created a new profile. copied over my 2.0.14 profile items. on 2.1 worked though it stomped on my Extensions. 2.2 kept the foot down on the extensions, plus Stomped on my Plugins, 2.3.3a kept feet down on extensions and Plugins. Then choked out my Bookmarks and my personal Bookmark items which will take months to recreate. so gar 2.0.14 is the only SeaMonkey Version. Phillip, you keep stating you have a problem getting your SM 2.0 bookmarks over to 2.1 and subsequent versions. You vaguely imply you're getting some but not all of your bookmarks. Could you give a bit more exact info on what you're getting and what you're not. Do you import your SM 2.0 bookmarks.html [1] file into another profile you use exclusively with SM 2.1+, or? If you start SM 2.0 with your 2.1+ profile, even just once, you'll receive the bookmarks gone syndrome. This has been well noted [2], but seems people tend to lightly ignore it, and then bitch about it. Now, if you've managed to import your SM 2.0 bookmarks.html into a 2.1+ profile and you're just not seeing you Personal Toolbar Folder items, do you happen to find them in the Bookmark Manager under Bookmarks Menu (direct child of All Bookmarks)? If you do, you could just move the contents of the Personal Toolbar Folder to the Bookmarks Toolbar folder, and they will appear on your Personal Toolbar. [1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/2.1/FAQ#Bookmarks [2] http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1/#issues on 2.3.3 when I first opened in the created profile. The bookmarks files I had copied over. There were No Bookmarks what so ever. There were no personal Toolbar items when I opened there are just four empty items That you would expect when just creating from scratch. I then followed directions given here to convert the html. I then got back the links but no labels as to what the links represent so there is no way to sort them. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks gone
Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-08-15 1:50 PM, erwincas wrote: I'm currently using SM 2.5a1 (Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0a1) Gecko/20110815 Firefox/8.0a1 SeaMonkey/2.5a1) which updates every night, but with the last update my bookmarks gone, I only have the labels and nothing else. I know this is a Nightly build, so I think that this is a bug. If anyone else wants to confirm, here's a link to the previous day's nightly: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2011-08-14-00-30-27-comm-central-trunk/ Yep Bookmarks are DOA. No personal bookmarks none of my bookmarks Nada. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks gone
PhillipJones wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:33:00 -0400, /PhillipJones/: erwincas wrote: I'm currently using SM 2.5a1 (Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0a1) Gecko/20110815 Firefox/8.0a1 SeaMonkey/2.5a1) which updates every night, but with the last update my bookmarks gone, I only have the labels and nothing else. I know this is a Nightly build, so I think that this is a bug. In my experience Its been broke since 2.3.3a. I created a new profile. copied over my 2.0.14 profile items. on 2.1 worked though it stomped on my Extensions. 2.2 kept the foot down on the extensions, plus Stomped on my Plugins, 2.3.3a kept feet down on extensions and Plugins. Then choked out my Bookmarks and my personal Bookmark items which will take months to recreate. so gar 2.0.14 is the only SeaMonkey Version. Phillip, you keep stating you have a problem getting your SM 2.0 bookmarks over to 2.1 and subsequent versions. You vaguely imply you're getting some but not all of your bookmarks. Could you give a bit more exact info on what you're getting and what you're not. Do you import your SM 2.0 bookmarks.html [1] file into another profile you use exclusively with SM 2.1+, or? If you start SM 2.0 with your 2.1+ profile, even just once, you'll receive the bookmarks gone syndrome. This has been well noted [2], but seems people tend to lightly ignore it, and then bitch about it. Now, if you've managed to import your SM 2.0 bookmarks.html into a 2.1+ profile and you're just not seeing you Personal Toolbar Folder items, do you happen to find them in the Bookmark Manager under Bookmarks Menu (direct child of All Bookmarks)? If you do, you could just move the contents of the Personal Toolbar Folder to the Bookmarks Toolbar folder, and they will appear on your Personal Toolbar. [1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/2.1/FAQ#Bookmarks [2] http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1/#issues on 2.3.3 when I first opened in the created profile. The bookmarks files I had copied over. There were No Bookmarks what so ever. There were no personal Toolbar items when I opened there are just four empty items That you would expect when just creating from scratch. I then followed directions given here to convert the html. I then got back the links but no labels as to what the links represent so there is no way to sort them. Just got through trying 2.5.1.a same problem. Nothing except Mozilla Links. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks gone
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:44:32 -0400, /PhillipJones/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Now to the exact problem you're experiencing, I hope you've read the release notes (the Known Issues) for 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3 versions: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1/#issues http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.2/#issues http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.3/#issues All of these state: * Data loss warning: If you use a profile with this or any later version and then try to go back to SeaMonkey 2.0, SeaMonkey will rename your history file to places.sqlite.corrupt and create a new places.sqlite file, effectively resetting your browsing history. This is because the internal format changed and the upgrade process only works in one direction. In any case you go back using your profile with SeaMonkey 2.0, even for just one session, you'll find your bookmarks gone starting with SeaMonkey 2.1 and subsequent versions, next. Yes I Understand and I do have. else I would not be using my 2.0.14 now. From my understanding of what I have been reading, the developers have no idea how to fix this problem of not converting bookmarks and it can strike anytime with no warning. This should be the top number one bug to be fixed. Honestly I don't understand which part of the upgrade process only works in one direction you don't understand. May be you think you're smarter than the developers which have given you exact instructions on what _not_ to do, but you've done it anyway... and then you've been given number of advises how to recover from your mistake. I don't think the SeaMonkey developers could invest more just to make an automatic fix for your mistake. If it was that easy, they would have done it already. Look if you have hundreds of Bookmarks and the disappear. when you switch to updated browser. Wouldn't you want the bug fixed. You don't understand this a Deal Breaker! No one is going to update to something That wipes out years of Bookmarks/Links you've built up. Up until 2.3 this wasn't a major problem. No I am no developer. And I don't know the intricacies bug fixing. You developers say say you want users to tell you what bugs are happening Yet when you get told, Its you don't know this, you don't know that. So either you want it. This is almost as bad, as SM Crashing the instance you open. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks gone
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:50:45 -0400, /PhillipJones/: on 2.3.3 when I first opened in the created profile. The bookmarks files I had copied over. There were No Bookmarks what so ever. There were no personal Toolbar items when I opened there are just four empty items That you would expect when just creating from scratch. I then followed directions given here to convert the html. I then got back the links but no labels as to what the links represent so there is no way to sort them. Unfortunately I'm not sure what no labels as to what the links represent should mean. Could you make and post a screen shot of your Bookmarks Manager with the All Bookmarks, Bookmarks Toolbar and Bookmarks Menu items in the left tree pane expanded, and any folder of yours selected, showing the no label items in the right pane? Okay I will give an example: When you click on a Bookmark Folder you see the name Apple, or Suntrust or Discover. Now if you import from the html file there is no labels just http://www.apple.com or http://Mozilla.com , whatever. See this: http://screencast.com/t/5hpREkJm where those names are when you import from html file its just the links. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks gone
Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-08-15 1:50 PM, erwincas wrote: I'm currently using SM 2.5a1 (Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0a1) Gecko/20110815 Firefox/8.0a1 SeaMonkey/2.5a1) which updates every night, but with the last update my bookmarks gone, I only have the labels and nothing else. I know this is a Nightly build, so I think that this is a bug. We'll need some more info about your setup. Go to Help--Troubleshooting_Information, then click [Copy all to Clipboard]. Open a reply to this post, and go to Edit--Paste to paste the info from your Troubleshooting Information page. see this: http://screencast.com/t/3BsR5jAR I'll have to open 2.5.1 again and make a screen shot of 2.5.1 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks gone
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:22:54 -0400, /PhillipJones/: Look if you have hundreds of Bookmarks and the disappear. when you switch to updated browser. Wouldn't you want the bug fixed. But then your bookmarks have not disappeared - you've got them all in your SeaMonkey 2.0 bookmarks.html file and you see them all while running SeaMonkey 2.0, right? Then it appears you have problem importing them in a SM 2.1+ profile, right? You don't understand this a Deal Breaker! No one is going to update to something That wipes out years of Bookmarks/Links you've built up. Up until 2.3 this wasn't a major problem. Does up until 2.3 this wasn't a major problem mean you had no problem migrating/importing your SM 2.0 bookmarks into 2.1 and/or 2.2 version? No I am no developer. And I don't know the intricacies bug fixing. You developers say say you want users to tell you what bugs are happening Yet when you get told, Its you don't know this, you don't know that. So either you want it. This is almost as bad, as SM Crashing the instance you open. I don't know about the SeaMonkey devs, but I'm having really hard time understanding your problem. You seems to not clearly present it even when I ask for specifics like screen shot showing the problem - you've showed a screen shot showing no problem. Do you think that helps? That was what I have in 2.0.14 This is what shows up in 2.5.1 http://screencast.com/t/2lTb76ej This version of SM that shows the above: http://screencast.com/t/knzL3UIr This my computer setup: http://screencast.com/t/3BsR5jAR -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks gone
PhillipJones wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-08-15 1:50 PM, erwincas wrote: I'm currently using SM 2.5a1 (Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0a1) Gecko/20110815 Firefox/8.0a1 SeaMonkey/2.5a1) which updates every night, but with the last update my bookmarks gone, I only have the labels and nothing else. I know this is a Nightly build, so I think that this is a bug. We'll need some more info about your setup. Go to Help--Troubleshooting_Information, then click [Copy all to Clipboard]. Open a reply to this post, and go to Edit--Paste to paste the info from your Troubleshooting Information page. see this: http://screencast.com/t/3BsR5jAR I'll have to open 2.5.1 again and make a screen shot of 2.5.1 Note in the above I specifically said I would have to reopen 2.5.1 and make screen shots. I have since and posted those screen shots. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.2 online job application form problems
Tom S. wrote: Hi all, Why does SeaMonkey have problems with filling out online job application forms nearly all of the time? I almost always have to switch the rendering engine (IE) to show the form correctly and submit the information. The forms on most jobs websites will not work with SeaMonkey. It becomes very frustrating, trying to fill out these forms and they just won't work right. Is there some sort of conspiracy to force people to use IE, in order to fill out these forms? Or is there something wrong with SeaMonkey and the way it shows them? Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 Blame Adobe on that one. they use to have the adobe PDF viewer Plugin. Problem is when Mac went to OSX and came out Safari,they made the plug-in available for Web-kit, not Gecko. and despite protest from myself and thousands of other that don't use Safari. All adobe does is give us gecko product users the one finger salute. Supposedly Mozilla is working on built in code to display PDF natively. I'm hoping if they do so they add support for filling out forms. That's one of the main things you need view PDF online for anyway. When we were using OS9 (c++, objective-C) The adobe Plugin worked for Mac as well as PC And the electronics Association I was part of built PDF online forms, for use with the association. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: password manager keeps crashing
David E. Ross wrote: On 8/15/11 1:53 PM, PhillipJones wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: James Osbourn wrote: The crash reports that I have listed are as follows: bp-8a2cfa19-a5f4-41de-92e4-40e712110813 13/08/2011 21:28 Maybe a Flash crash (AFAICS IPC is involved). Try disabling Flash (about:addons, Plugins, Shockwave Flash, Disable). HTH Jens By the way: There is a new version of Flash just out. I just downloaded the latest version Flash for mac this morning. The latest version of Flash -- 10.3 r183 -- has been available for over a month now. See this: http://screencast.com/t/8K0Ev5Wf0 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks gone
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:30:39 -0400, /PhillipJones/: This is what shows up in 2.5.1 http://screencast.com/t/2lTb76ej Is this just after you import your bookmarks.html file? I don't see anything like http://www.apple.com or http://Mozilla.com, you've mentioned in another reply. This version of SM that shows the above: http://screencast.com/t/knzL3UIr I don't get, why are you trying with an alpha tester version of SeaMonkey? Please, try a stable version like SM 2.2, or wait for SM 2.3 which should be released tomorrow. yes that was after the import and opening by 2.5.1 I thought maybe it was just a bad import so I quit 2.5.1 copied over bookmarks files from by 2.0.14 again this is what shows up. I had tried one time before and showed nothing. so I did an import as someone suggested here. Was able to get all the links (but not their labels). I opened up again and checked for updates. It did update application I'll try again in the morning. I try removing and copying over again and see what the update did. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.2 online job application form problems
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 16/08/2011 00:08, PhillipJones told the world: Tom S. wrote: Hi all, Why does SeaMonkey have problems with filling out online job application forms nearly all of the time? I almost always have to switch the rendering engine (IE) to show the form correctly and submit the information. The forms on most jobs websites will not work with SeaMonkey. It becomes very frustrating, trying to fill out these forms and they just won't work right. Is there some sort of conspiracy to force people to use IE, in order to fill out these forms? Or is there something wrong with SeaMonkey and the way it shows them? Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 Blame Adobe on that one. they use to have the adobe PDF viewer Plugin. Problem is when Mac went to OSX and came out Safari,they made the plug-in available for Web-kit, not Gecko. and despite protest from myself and thousands of other that don't use Safari. All adobe does is give us gecko product users the one finger salute. Supposedly Mozilla is working on built in code to display PDF natively. I'm hoping if they do so they add support for filling out forms. That's one of the main things you need view PDF online for anyway. When we were using OS9 (c++, objective-C) The adobe Plugin worked for Mac as well as PC And the electronics Association I was part of built PDF online forms, for use with the association. Since the OP is using Windows XP, I don't think this explanation applies in this exact form. Adobe does keep supplying plugins for non-IE browsers in Windows. With that said, however... it IS possible that the OP is missing the Adobe Reader plugin in Seamonkey -- the installer for Adobe Reader detects Firefox (and, I think, Opera) automatically, but not Seamonkey or other less-common browsers. A couple months ago I gave somebody instructions to manually install this plugin, but it was for Vista/Win7... let me see if I can adapt it to XP... ...yes, here it is: Just copy nppdf32.dll from: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader 10.0\Reader\Browser\ to your Seamonkey plugins browser (usually C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\plugins ) On Mac Internet Plugins are installed in a Directory in Main Library Internet Plugins and applies to all web Browsers works with SM, FF, Camino, Aurora, OmniWeb, Opera, iCab, and Safari at least it supposed to. However, Adobe has decided not to support Gecko on Mac. Now Web-kit Safari and others works fine. To use PDF, on Gecko I have to use a Plugin called PDFBrowser Plugin by Schubert of Germany. Problem is it doesn't do FDF and it doesn't do Forms. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Hotmail and 2.0.14
Daniel wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Tom Pamin wrote: Tom Pamin wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 11/08/2011 17:48, Tom Pamin told the world: Hotmail is now asking me to upgrade my browser every time I log in. I already modified my about:config in order to get Yahoo Mail to work, by adding Firefox/3.0 after general.useragent.extra.seamonkey2. What do I have to do now to get Hotmail to recognize SM 2.0.14? Try Firefox/3.6 instead of Firefox/3.0. That seems to have worked so far - thanks. I spoke too soon - showing 3.6 works for Hotmail, but now Yahoo is asking me to upgrade. How do I show both 3.0 and 3.6 in about:config? But isn't any FF 3.x now passe. You must upgrade with the Joneses. :-) :-| :-( And anyway this is a SeaMonkey discussion group. :-\ Yes, Rostyslaw, this is a SeaMonkey discussion group, which is why op Tom is asking, in effect, what value he should put in his Browser Build Identifier string to make both Yahoo and Hotmail work correctly. This particular Jones is not impressed with upgrades. :-) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks gone
Jens Hatlak wrote: PhillipJones wrote: From my understanding of what I have been reading, the developers have no idea how to fix this problem of not converting bookmarks This is only true if by not converting bookmarks you mean the automatic conversion (which should happen but sometimes doesn't). AFAIK the manual process works (it worked for me!), but the Personal Toolbar folder might not be converted into the Bookmarks Toolbar folder correctly. Again, that happened to me, too. See the 2.2: Personal Toolbar folder does not import thread. In one of your screen shots I can see that your Bookmarks Toolbar folder is empty if it's selected in the Bookmarks Manager. What I do not see from the screen shot if there are indeed no bookmarks at all. For that you'd have to select and possibly expand the Bookmarks Menu folder. Maybe the Personal Toolbar folder is to be found below that. If it is, just move its contents to the Bookmarks Toolbar folder and celebrate (again, like I did). and it can strike anytime with no warning. Not anytime, only upon upgrading or importing bookmarks.html manually. This should be the top number one bug to be fixed. Certainly not, at least if there is an easy workaround. Look at the Changes page of the SM 2.3 release notes. I consider the vast majority of bugfixes listed there more important than fixing a bug that has an easy workaround (note: provided that this statement is true, as I believe). HTH Jens I removed the bookmarks items from the Profile for the 2.5.1 a install. then I copied from the profile for my 2.0.14 install. Last night I had run updater for 2.5.1 and it did update. So moved my copies over. This time the conversion took. However, I had to open the brought over Personal Bookmarks Folder and drop it on the new personal Tool Bar folder icon one at a time. Still no PDF. though. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.0.14 Massage Filters
Where and what is the Message filter database called Mine has suddenly quit showing email address so I can no longer add filters. I'd like to copy the one I have in my profile for 2.5.1 and see if I could get it working. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.14 Massage Filters
PhillipJones wrote: Where and what is the Message filter database called Mine has suddenly quit showing email address so I can no longer add filters. I'd like to copy the one I have in my profile for 2.5.1 and see if I could get it working. Found it. That didn't help Works in 2.5.1 but not 2.0.14. email address show: http://www.screencast.com/t/On6tOcXYd -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Quicktime installer - associated helper application does not exist
Marilyn G wrote: I went to the addons page. I clicked on the line to check for updates. It sent me to a mozilla firefox page that shows my addons and which ones need to be updated. I click on the first one for Quicktime. It sends me to a Quicktime page. I click the download button, it starts to download. At the end I get that it failed and this message. C:\DOCUME~1\Marilyn\LOCALS~1\Temp\QuickTimeInstaller-4.exe could not be opened, because the associated helper application does not exist. Change the association in your preferences. This is not the only program that will not open. I also have a coupon printer that gets the same message, as well as adobe and many of the other addons. Someone explain to me what the associated helper application is and where do I find it. Marilyn By any chance are you using a Mac? exe files are windows files. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Quicktime installer - associated helper application does not exist
David E. Ross wrote: On 8/29/11 7:04 PM, PhillipJones wrote: Marilyn G wrote: I went to the addons page. I clicked on the line to check for updates. It sent me to a mozilla firefox page that shows my addons and which ones need to be updated. I click on the first one for Quicktime. It sends me to a Quicktime page. I click the download button, it starts to download. At the end I get that it failed and this message. C:\DOCUME~1\Marilyn\LOCALS~1\Temp\QuickTimeInstaller-4.exe could not be opened, because the associated helper application does not exist. Change the association in your preferences. This is not the only program that will not open. I also have a coupon printer that gets the same message, as well as adobe and many of the other addons. Someone explain to me what the associated helper application is and where do I find it. Marilyn By any chance are you using a Mac? exe files are windows files. The source of the original message indicates that Marilyn G is using SeaMonkey 2.3.1 for Windows XP. The reason I asked I don't have turned view all headers. Which 90 percent here are Windows users. There is always the possibility that 10% are asking a question. Using a Laptop while the with is great, the height is not and view all the header info at one time is a waste of screen real estate. So I leave on the Short listing which only shows from, newsgroup, Date, Subject, and reference number It does scroll nor is the window expandable, or Contracts when you set to all same way you view everything and that's it. By its time it does so you not left with much room to actually read post. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: OK, I think I am ready to upgrade my old SeaMonkey v2.0.14 to the latest ...
Sailfish wrote: My bloviated meandering follows what Ant graced us with on 8/31/2011 9:31 PM: Can I do a separate installation of SM2, or does it have to be over v2.0.14? Thank you in advance. :) You can have separation installation folders for SeaMonkey and it works just fine. I cannot say the same will be true for any extensions/themes you have in v2.0.14, though. For Macintosh User out there interested in doing this. You can't use Sailfish method. when you want to try out a different version and keep your old version you can either archive the old version then download and install. Or you can download the .dmg file (diskimage), open and Drag contents to the desktop. which decompress the the file. Next click on the Name so that the name box become active. click at end of name but before the .app extension and type 2.3.1 or what every the version is. now click some where else on desk to to get out of editing mode. Now open your current version not the new one. Go to tools switch profile. and create a new profile. Quit. now open new version and it will ask for which profile to use. Choose that profile and your read to use. Quit new one Drag a copy (option while dragging) all the bookmarks items from original profile to new profile. to get to profiles Go to ~/library/Application Support/SeaMonkey/ Profile the original will have a random set of code numbers/characters (this is called salting). The new will have this as well but should also have the name you gave it. Copy Bookmarks from original to the profile. If you want to make it easy to get your profiles Drag each Profile folder to the Sidebar this put an alias of each on the sidebar. and you can just click on that to enter into the profile. X.6.8 and below. X.7 you have to got to main menu from find and hold option key down which clicking on go menu to get to User Directory ~ indicate user directory and is short name you gave computer when you installed or set up system first time you installed system or opened computer when new. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: OK, I think I am ready to upgrade my old SeaMonkey v2.0.14 to the latest ...
PhillipJones wrote: Sailfish wrote: My bloviated meandering follows what Ant graced us with on 8/31/2011 9:31 PM: Can I do a separate installation of SM2, or does it have to be over v2.0.14? Thank you in advance. :) You can have separation installation folders for SeaMonkey and it works just fine. I cannot say the same will be true for any extensions/themes you have in v2.0.14, though. For Macintosh User out there interested in doing this. You can't use Sailfish method. when you want to try out a different version and keep your old version you can either archive the old version then download and install. Or you can download the .dmg file (diskimage), open and Drag contents to the desktop. which decompress the the file. Next click on the Name so that the name box become active. click at end of name but before the .app extension and type 2.3.1 or what every the version is. now click some where else on desk to to get out of editing mode. I left out a step once renamed drag renamed application from desktop to applications directory. Now open your current version not the new one. Go to tools switch profile. and create a new profile. Quit. now open new version and it will ask for which profile to use. Choose that profile and your ready to use. Quit new one Drag a copy (option while dragging) all the bookmarks items from original profile to new profile. to get to profiles Go to ~/library/Application Support/SeaMonkey/ Profile the original will have a random set of code numbers/characters (this is called salting). The new will have this as well but should also have the name you gave it. Copy Bookmarks from original to the profile. If you want to make it easy to get your profiles Drag each Profile folder to the Sidebar this put an alias of each on the sidebar. and you can just click on that to enter into the profile. X.6.8 and below. X.7 you have to got to main menu from find and hold option key down which clicking on go menu to get to User Directory ~ indicate user directory and is short name you gave computer when you installed or set up system first time you installed system or opened computer when new. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: OK, I think I am ready to upgrade my old SeaMonkey v2.0.14 to the latest ...
Sailfish wrote: My bloviated meandering follows what PhillipJones graced us with on 9/1/2011 7:44 AM: Sailfish wrote: My bloviated meandering follows what Ant graced us with on 8/31/2011 9:31 PM: Can I do a separate installation of SM2, or does it have to be over v2.0.14? Thank you in advance. :) You can have separation installation folders for SeaMonkey and it works just fine. I cannot say the same will be true for any extensions/themes you have in v2.0.14, though. For Macintosh User out there interested in doing this. You can't use Sailfish method. when you want to try out a different version and keep your old version you can either archive the old version then download and install. Or you can download the .dmg file (diskimage), open and Drag contents to the desktop. which decompress the the file. Next click on the Name so that the name box become active. click at end of name but before the ..app extension and type 2.3.1 or what every the version is. now click some where else on desk to to get out of editing mode. Now open your current version not the new one. Go to tools switch profile. and create a new profile. Quit. now open new version and it will ask for which profile to use. Choose that profile and your read to use. Quit new one Drag a copy (option while dragging) all the bookmarks items from original profile to new profile. to get to profiles Go to ~/library/Application Support/SeaMonkey/ Profile the original will have a random set of code numbers/characters (this is called salting). The new will have this as well but should also have the name you gave it. Copy Bookmarks from original to the profile. If you want to make it easy to get your profiles Drag each Profile folder to the Sidebar this put an alias of each on the sidebar. and you can just click on that to enter into the profile. X.6.8 and below. X.7 you have to got to main menu from find and hold option key down which clicking on go menu to get to User Directory ~ indicate user directory and is short name you gave computer when you installed or set up system first time you installed system or opened computer when new. Thanks Phil, I readily acknowledge my Mac illiteracy when it comes to out-of-the-ordinary installation matters. Some people on this list can't stand the thoughts of adding alternate directions for Mac. Some times to the point I feel like if they were in same room with me they beat me to a pulp with a 4 by 4. Therefore I do it sparingly. Mac's can use different versions at the same time as long as they are not named exactly the same. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Acrobat / Reader question
BIll Spikowski wrote: WLS wrote: chokito wrote: What shows about:addons for Adobe? about:plugins is a better option Nothing Acrobat-related shows up in about:addons About:plugins shows both my full Adobe Acrobat 9.4 and my new Reader X installation. Try downloading PdfBrowser Plugin by Schubert of Germany That's the only thing that works in SeaMonkey and FireFox (for Mac) the plug in for PDF for PC is PDF Viewer plug-in by Adobe. Why the difference. Adobe absolutely refuses to support Gecko based Browsers on Mac. I've tried putting in a bug report to Adobe to add Gecko support (FF and SM every three months or so since OSX has existed. About 10 years. They just refuse to listen. Its webkit only. Perhaps we should switch to webkit . -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Acrobat / Reader question
JeffM wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Adobe absolutely refuses to support Gecko based Browsers on Mac. [...][It's] webkit only. Perhaps we should switch to webkit . ...or perhaps to Linux. Nope. Don't want to be learning a new system. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Acrobat / Reader question
Keith Whaley wrote: Ray_Net wrote: WLS wrote: Ray_Net wrote: WLS wrote: JeffM wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Adobe absolutely refuses to support Gecko based Browsers on Mac. [...][It's] webkit only. Perhaps we should switch to webkit . ...or perhaps to Linux. My votes for Linux :) Let people to use the OS they want/prefer ! I do let people use the OS they want/prefer. Fortunately Mozilla isn't going to abandon Gecko for WebKit, so if someone wants to use Adobe Reader with Mac they are out of luck. I still vote for Linux. Gecko and Webkit are not OS. I still vote for Windows. To do what? Everybody knows Mac is superior. Sighh. keith The long stand feud Adobe has with Apple is the reason for no support for SM /FF on Mac they just use as an excuse to give Mac Users the one finger salute at every opportunity. Wish there was Federal regulation that required equal support on Mac/Windows/Unix/Linux -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash video doesn't work on this URL
Ray_Net wrote: Jim Taylor wrote: I can't get the videos at http://www.tvsturbo.com/tv.cfm# to play. They work on IE. I tried SM 2.3.3 and then 2.4 Beta 1 and they won't play on either. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:7.0) Gecko/20110905 Firefox/7.0 SeaMonkey/2.4 on Windows 7 64bit Same problem here just loading media forever ... Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608 Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1 on Windows 7 32 bits Same here on MacBook Pro 2.8 Ghz/8 GB Ram. 500GB Hard Drive Using SM 2.0.14, FF 3.6.22 Opera, Safari, Chrome, iCab, Aurora, OmniWeb -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Strange visited link behavior after installing SM 2.3.1
You should while in 2.0.14 Create a new profile and name it something other than default. Now quit Find your original default Folder and Copy not Move entire contents to the newly created profile. Next open the new install and choose the new profile. Then choose new profile for the new version and then default for 2.0.14. Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 08:51:27 -0500, /Richard Owlett/: With all the hoopla about security fixes, I obtained a copy of 2.3.1 and installed it in its own directory, leaving 2.0.8 as it was. I am using the same profile for each. Visited links coloring is now behaving strangely. Seems you're just asking for trouble. I think you should have read http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.3/#issues: | Please read this before reporting any new bugs. | | * Data loss warning: If you use a profile with this or any | later version and then try to go back to SeaMonkey 2.0, SeaMonkey | will rename your history file to places.sqlite.corrupt and create | a new places.sqlite file, effectively resetting your browsing | history. This is because the internal format changed and the | upgrade process only works in one direction. You may further need to read: https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/2.1/FAQ#Bookmarks _IN 2.0.8_ In some pages (e.g. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ etc.) links turn red if visited. On other pages (e.g. http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/getobext.php?wfo=sid=KSGFnum=48raw=0dbn=mbanner=off etc.) visited links are inconsistently turned to red. This can be demonstrated by alternating between the 2-day and 7-day view by clicking link in top left of screen. Sometimes red. Sometimes blue. _IN 2.3.1_ Links, visited or not, remain blue. I did notice in email visiting a link will now turn red although I've seen that in no previous version. What's happening? -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: maildir support in a future release, instead of mbox only?
Alex Baer wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 10:46:47 +0200, /Alex Baer/: Then I copied some mails into the new folders, and found that I can't copy anything into folder four. It is displayed in the hierarchy on the left pane, but the menu function copy to only works down to level three. One might argue, that it usually is more than enough to have three levels of hierarchy in the folder tree, but nevertheless this is not consistent. Doesn't appear related to the exact sub-folder level. I can copy messages to the new sub-folders by drag-n-drop and then they appear in the sub-menu structure of the Copy To context menu item. They don't appear in the Copy To context menu structure immediately after I create them, but they do appear immediately in the Copy To menu structure when accessed through the Message menu on the menu bar. Appears like a bug - may be reported already in Bugzilla? I created a folder hierarchy \test\one\two\three\four\five under the root of one of my accounts. I was able to drag and drop messages to all six folders without difficulty or delay. I also tested the menu option Message | Copy To... and had no difficulty, though I found it extremely cumbersome to navigate through all the subsubsubsubsubsubpulldown menus. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 Yes, drag'n'drop works. I was referring to the Copy To function in the pop- up menu. I've rechecked that, and you are right: Now the bottom level with the sub-folder 'four' is there, indeed. But it obviously takes Seamonkey a while to synchronize the menu with the folder tree. But in principle it works, obviously. I still find it a bit puzzling, that there is no real folder for the lowest level, but only an mbox and an index file, instead. Apart from that, it seems that I have been mis-informed in several respects. I apologise, as my intent was never to cause confusion. As it turns out, I am the only one, who was confused. ;) So thank you guys, for your valuable time, and clearing these things up --- much appreciated! You almost convinced me to return to Seamonkey... ;), if not two little snags I found in Lightning finally prevent me from switching, but that's a different story. Alex while we are on subject of Mozilla Mbox. I have a major irritation with Adobe Acrobat for years. I can't use any Mozilla Products such as SM or TB email PDF. Only thing allowed is Apple mail, MailSmith, and Eudora. When SM or TB for that matter is choose a message comes up Acrobat doesn't know how to talk to chosen email Client. When I've asked over the years I am told Acrobat only accepts Mbox email Clients. Is this of a case where once again Adobe is giving users of certain products the one finger salute. Or is there a difference between Mail's implementation of MBox and Mozilla's implementation. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Bug 686555] Please use the string Firefox/6.0.2 compatible for the User Agent String of SeaMonkey
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/16/2011 2:44 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Justin Wood (:Callek)bugspam.cal...@gmail.com 2011-09-15 17:27:41 PDT --- No it is a Core Gecko bug, we use the |general.useragent.compatMode.firefox| preference for this. It also can't be labeled compatible because many(!) UA sniffing scripts treat that as suddenly meaning MSIE. We only have Firefox listed in the UA due to many broken UA sniffing scripts. We *STILL* have SeaMonkey in the UA for the very reason that we do not want to lie to people who care to check it properly. Given the above comments, and those by the Core Developers I'm marking this WONTFIX, please no more advocacy in this bug. I am very disappointed. However, there is still hope : how would you react to a proposal that the user preference Edit / Preferences / Advanced / HTTP Networking /User Agent String / Advertise Firefox compatibility default tounchecked ? I would be against it, we enabled it due to soo many (especially popular) website being broken due to bad browser sniffing, that is automatically fixed by enabling that. I would be for it because the sites need to be fixed to sniff on the word Gecko instead of FF or SM. If they are no then we don't need to be visiting them. And they need to be told so. by the head of Mozilla by US Mail letter not just an email. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Bug 686555] Please use the string Firefox/6.0.2 compatible for the User Agent String of SeaMonkey
Jens Hatlak wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/16/2011 2:44 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: I am very disappointed. However, there is still hope : how would you react to a proposal that the user preference Edit / Preferences / Advanced / HTTP Networking /User Agent String / Advertise Firefox compatibility default tounchecked ? I would be against it, we enabled it due to soo many (especially popular) website being broken due to bad browser sniffing, that is automatically fixed by enabling that. I would be for it because the sites need to be fixed to sniff on the word Gecko instead of FF or SM. If they are no then we don't need to be visiting them. And they need to be told so. by the head of Mozilla by US Mail letter not just an email. Come on, that is a lost war. Once upon a time there was a menu item that could be used to report UA-sniffing sites. Then finally someone at Mozilla took a heart and told everyone who didn't know already that all those reports were never processed. Subsequently the menu item was removed. In reality, it's too easy to apply a quick fix (sniff for UAs instead of features) and get to support, say, 80 percent of all clients. The default should be to make it just work, which I would estimate is what the average user expects. Average users don't know about UAs and don't care that the site is broken, they just blame SM for not working correctly, while all the other major browsers work. Until SM 2.1, which introduced the new option, people reported such issues again and again, and the answer was to fake the UA or install an extension. Since then the support requests in that direction have pretty much ceased. I'm with Justin here; the pref default should stay as-is. SM is all about choice. It is your (everyone's) choice to change the pref. But if you want to have the default changed, you need to provide better arguments than your own use case. Just my 2c... Jens Send the letter as an ultimatum, fix the sniffing issue and have it sniff on Gecko not a particular product or we will not support your websites and will recommend to our users not to support your websites. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Bug 686555] Please use the string Firefox/6.0.2 compatible for the User Agent String of SeaMonkey
Ray_Net wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/16/2011 2:44 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Justin Wood (:Callek)bugspam.cal...@gmail.com 2011-09-15 17:27:41 PDT --- No it is a Core Gecko bug, we use the |general.useragent.compatMode.firefox| preference for this. It also can't be labeled compatible because many(!) UA sniffing scripts treat that as suddenly meaning MSIE. We only have Firefox listed in the UA due to many broken UA sniffing scripts. We *STILL* have SeaMonkey in the UA for the very reason that we do not want to lie to people who care to check it properly. Given the above comments, and those by the Core Developers I'm marking this WONTFIX, please no more advocacy in this bug. I am very disappointed. However, there is still hope : how would you react to a proposal that the user preference Edit / Preferences / Advanced / HTTP Networking /User Agent String / Advertise Firefox compatibility default tounchecked ? I would be against it, we enabled it due to soo many (especially popular) website being broken due to bad browser sniffing, that is automatically fixed by enabling that. I would be for it because the sites need to be fixed to sniff on the word Gecko instead of FF or SM. If they are no then we don't need to be visiting them. And they need to be told so. by the head of Mozilla by US Mail letter not just an email. Most of the webmasters take care about MSIE or FIREFOX. They don't care about Seamonkey and certainly about Gecko(because this one is *not* a browser - they sniff for a browser) If they would sniff on Gecko it would work on any gecko based product. Not just SM, FF, Camino, whatever. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.4 and sync hangs
Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:57:22 -0400, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: I'm getting lots of hangs with sm2.4 and the complaint is server messed up! Its a (now) known issue with the default Sync Server, Mozilla IT are working around the clock to try and correct it properly. See https://services.mozilla.com/status/ for more. Network Timeout The operation timed out when attempting to contact services.mozilla.com. Most of Mozilla is sloow. Bugzilla, the Wiki. The NNTP server seems to be doing fine (but then it's actually Giganews). Phil Mozilla or Giganews there is no excuse they should be on top of the line Fiber Optic. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Towards an alternative way forward for Seamonkey
PhillipJones wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 06/10/2011 20:12, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: 1) rapid release tends to promote sloppy work, products not ready for prime time, and poor product reduces market share; Actually, KaiRo argued very convincingly that the rapid release has exactly the opposite effect: http://home.kairo.at/blog/2011-08/why_rapid_releases_can_improve_stability You risk developer Burnt out if have no time to rest. Another thing that would help with extensions breaking right and left. Is not have Max versions at all. It simply works or it breaks If it breaks the the extensions community can devote more time to new feature or adding fixes for changes in Mozilla code (For FF and SM) and we shouldn't need two three versions of same extensions one for SM, for FireFox, For ThunderBird IF a FireFox extension works it should work on SeaMonkey as well, If a Thunderbird extension works it should automatically work in SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey should be able to use FF and TB extensions without change. There is already report of major crash and burn of FF 7 and 7.01 on the Internet. already reported in the General Forum. See this: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/mozilla-Firefox-7-browserwars,news-12791.html This is but one article. Another result of Rapid release. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey NewsGroup Support
WLS wrote: BeeJ wrote: no not crossposting. Not posts but the groups are duplicated twice under each server. i.e. I have four of the same groups under the two servers. I have 8 unique groups that are now there 4x2= 32 times. And as I said it kept trying to download messages over and over when I clicked on a group under any server. This is a new PC (one month old) and has no other problems running a bunch of apps. Win7 Pro 64bit. AMD Quad. 8G-RAM. Lots of C: space. My solution would be to unsubscribe from the newsgroups, then subscribe again only once. If that fails I would delete the Newsgroup account and recreate it. But I think the only way you are going to find out is to install SeaMonkey and see if it works for you. The only time I see duplicate groups is in Usenet servers I have the same group (deliberately) listed on two Usenet servers. Other than That I have no duplicate groups. I even have two groups on a news server which has to authenticated (never see the first piece of spam and I've been subscribed to this group for 10 years. To be authenticated you have to go to a Web site first answer some questions they do background checks on your ISP Then then send s special link where you give them a User name and password. They send notice its accepted. Then you can sign in using username first then password. SeaMonkey is very good with newsgroups. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey mail window font size
Bopsie2 wrote: How can I increase the font size of the main mail window in SeaMonkey 2.4.1? This the window that lists my mail folders and the messages in the folders, not a window that displays the message text (which seems to be controlled by the Monospace font size.) Is it controlled by Windows settings? (I'm using XP.) Thanks Try using three Pane mode. As for text size SeaMonkey/Thunderbird makes no provision for increasing Mail Text Font size. Adjust Font size in Preferences affects everything. See This: http://www.screencast.com/t/nPBADla1Yo2i in order for web pages to show properly the call-out item pointed to must be set as shown. Unfortunately if you have large monitor 17 Or computer screen 17 or larger you have to use a Microscope beside your glasses to see the screen. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page
Otto Wyss wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? Is it always the same page? Your start page, perhaps? Give a URL to a page where you see this flicker. www.ogame.de is one I remember but I've seen more. I'll send more as soon as I see others. I'd more suspect your video driver or something else in your OS. I suspect not, neither FF nor Chrome or Opera flickers. The only page I have seen Flicker of a Page is a The Adobe support forms They just went to a new up date of Jive software that runs their forums. from 2.5.3 to 4.5.6. since the update The page flickers goes to gray and flickers runs through this cycle about 5 times before it settles down. This is the only place that does this mostly the problem I have is the pages is continuously loading even though the pages is fully loaded even the barber pole status item keeps working even though the site is fully loaded. Makes no difference on either of these complaints whether SM 2.0.14 or 2.7.1.a -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: unsubscrib to seamonkey
Scott Milliken wrote: how do i unsbcrib to seamonkey? i wont to stop getting email from you. Click on Mozilla News group head which should switch you to set menu one of the choices should be subscriptions click on that. uncheck SeaMonkey. If you subscribed through lists then You have to go Mozilla Web site newsgroups and unsubscribe that way. On Macs its as simple as while in Three Pane mode locate the SeaMonkey newsgroup Control Click (or Click and hold) until menu comes up hit unsubscribe - poof your done. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mozilla Crash Reporter
Sandy Pamin wrote: Lately, I've been having problems printing from SM, with all 3 of my PC's. The Mozilla Crash Reporter appears frequently when trying to print, which never used to happen. Does anyone know why this is happening? I'm using SM 2.0.14. I've had 2.0.14 crashing while rying to spelll check. I cured it by opening the personal Dictionarywith a text editor copy the words only the created a new file with TexTWrangler saves as a txt file the changed the extension to date and naming it the same as the file in profile. Have not had a crash since. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey Freeze with Acrobat
hawker wrote: On 11/3/2011 11:19 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 11/3/11 5:43 AM, hawker wrote: I have read many threads about Seamonkey Freezing. For me the only place I have seen this is since I moved from Acrobat Reader 9 to Acrobat 10. I always saw it as an Acrobat problem and thought the Acrobat Plugin was crashing Seamonkey when I print or save files from the plug in. I now realize Seamonkey did not crash, just locked up for 30 seconds to a couple of minutes. So now I am wondering if this is part of the lock up issues others are talking about? Do others see this Acrobat issue? And is there any known fix? I don't know is this is Acrobat or Seamonkey. I live off of Acrobat and so this bug is really annoying. I see a freeze while the PDF file downloads, the plugin launches, and the PDF file is displayed. Depending on the speed of your Internet connection, this might be a brief or long freeze. If I am running something else that consumes most of my CPU at the same time, however, the freeze seems to be permanent. For example, I cannot encrypt a gigabyte file and, at the same time, have SeaMonkey download and display a two-page PDF file. While I am at it (I know this is not a Seamonkey question) I also notice that the Acrobat plug in has two UIs. One is stripped down and clean the other is more traditional and full featured. I don't like the clean one (the one that normally comes up) but the full featured one only sometimes comes up. Any idea how to force it one way or the other? This is a function of how the server holding the PDF file delivers it, not anything you can control. I have noticed everything you mention for the most part. The only difference is that what else I am doing in the back ground does not seem to be the issue, or perhaps it is. I usually have several CPU intensive CAD programs going in the back ground, but they are usually not active when I am doing this. The control panel says in this state that they are not consuming many resources. I notice the hang almost only happens when I save a file or print a file so perhaps it is that CPU hit that causes this. It started when I upgraded from 9.x to 10.x and has been with me ever since. Download speed has a bearing.You'd think everyone would get on the bandwagon a get a high-speed connection atcompanies or servers that transfer files. Here it is 2011 and many major companies when you attempt to download from their doanload sever. even on my 3 MB DSL I get no more than 29KB should be at least 10 to 20 times that speed. OnCable it should be even more. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
NoSquint For SeaMonkey
Has Mr Chee made any progress on updating NoSquint for the 2.5 and later series of SeaMonkey? I've Contacted original Auto haven't heard from him yet. But have read in forums on the question he is downright hostile at the mention of SeaMonkey. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NoSquint For SeaMonkey
WLS (CompTIA A+ Certified - Retired) wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Has Mr Chee made any progress on updating NoSquint for the 2.5 and later series of SeaMonkey? I've Contacted original Author haven't heard from him yet. But have read in forums on the question he is downright hostile at the mention of SeaMonkey. What does NoSquint do, that is different from the View Zoom Other and entering a value into the pop-up that appears? The default appears to be 300%, but you can enter any value. Unlike zoom which defaults back to 100% as soon as you leave a given website. NoSquint remembers the zoom size for each individual Website (not just individual pages) you visite for up to a year from your last visit. also zoom zooms everything. IN NoSquint you can choose zoom the Graphics to one zoom level and the text to another zoom level. For example websites that have a lot of unnecessary white space you can zoom the whole site to fit entire view getting rid of the wasted white space. Then you can reduce the text size back so that it not over zoomed. NoSquint runs rings around built in Zoom. it handy for someone like my self that needs to wera glasses to read or view Computer screen and has an astigmatism on one eye at the same time. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NoSquint For SeaMonkey
Ant wrote: On 11/20/2011 3:38 PM PT, WLS (CompTIA A+ Certified - Retired) typed: What does NoSquint do, that is different from the View Zoom Other and entering a value into the pop-up that appears? The default appears to be 300%, but you can enter any value. NoSquint can remember which web sites, pages, etc. with time limits of last visits. Many other features. I am still using v2.0.14 because of this and other extensions. me as well. as long as its not fixed I will continue to use 2.0.14 This is no the sole extension holding me back. It's been updated for FF and works even with FF9. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
