date:20180410

I was looking at the Keto diet, and noticing how complex it was to keep
track of multiple factors.

This is a mini-application to allow a user to keep track of calories,
carbs, and fiber. It could be easily extended to keep track of other
metrics like fats or vitamins.

Be sure to make a backup of your tiddlywiki before trying. You will need a
copy of Evan Balster's formula's plugin (link is included in
documentation). Then drag and drop the JSON into your app. Save and reload.

After loading, you can read how to use it by looking at tiddler "Calorie
Counter". I only included a handful of the food items I've set up, but I
could include more if there turns out to be a demand.

This app needed a couple of aggregation formulas in addition to Evan's
original plugin set. If there was a way to do that without my own
aggregation formulae, I would be interested to learn of it.

Have fun

-- Mark

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[tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes

Josiah,

As you say "Whilst 8,000 Tiddlers of Tweets with tags that rely on 
filtering gets very slow" when looking at the specific case I realised the 
main thing searched for was the tweet, so in a tiddlywiki for this purpose 
why is it a secondary fields when it could be the title. Then in None 
single file implementation most searching will be the title of a "skinny 
tiddler" only.

In TWC the goto plugin was my favourite as first you search only titles 
then click to search content with the advanced search.

I would like to add back a title only search tool in TW5

Regards
Tony

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 9:05:04 PM UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao TonyM & all interested
>
> I do think that a "Rules Of Thumb" note on SCALABILITY could be very 
> useful.
>
> The issue is expressing it correctly. 
>
> So much of performance is an EMPIRICAL issue, that without testing variant 
> use cases, you can make TW look worse than it is. That is not a good idea.
>
> To give an example: Whilst 8,000 Tiddlers of Tweets with tags that rely on 
> filtering gets very slow, a TW with addresses for 8,000 external images of 
> which the next displayed is calculated via a random number it is fine. In 
> the first case you got a lot of processing & rendering. In the second you 
> don't.
>
> To be useful guidance on Scalability I think needs informing by testing by 
> USE CASE.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>> ... Perhaps we should start a discussion specifically on settings and 
>> tools for large wikis?
>>
>> ... When it come to scale there are a number of performance issue's, one 
>> of which NoteSelf solved by showing the  "Loading" message before TW can 
>> respond at all.  What I quickly realised is when you have a lot of 
>> tiddlers, quite a few assumptions made in a regular tiddlywiki's, for 
>> features and responsiveness are no longer valid. Such as a search that 
>> responds keystroke by keystroke.
>>
>> There is no reason why we can't supply some tools to support such large 
>> data-sets. 
>>
>
>> ... What I suggest is we bundle a range of settings together, perhaps in 
>> a plugin designed to reconfigure TiddlyWiki for larger data sets...
>>
>  
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

David,

I understand the value in picking the tool you need but I think this may 
actually be a gap we need to fill in TiddlyWiki. Even a rudimentary 
outliner, to help bridge the gap between tiddler and texts (in the book 
sense).

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:25:53 PM UTC+10, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Seems like a lot of effort when there are better tools for writing and 
> outlining, like Dynalist or Workflowy.
>
> David Gifford
> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>
> *Resonate Global Mission*
> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
> resonateglobalmission.org
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:17 AM, JD  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tony, you mean, like a full-blown outline, right? 
>>
>> If that's so, I think, maybe, we can use the TOC template for this. And 
>> instead of transcluding the title, we transclude the body of the text 
>> (while still following the tag-tree structure). What do you think? 
>>
>> My contribution in this will be slow during the weekdays (9 - 5 job + 
>> lots of overtime gets in the way)
>>
>> This is exciting stuff. I'm thinking of using this to write a novelette. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 9:17:59 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> JD,
>>>
>>> Should we be using a new thread to collaborate otherwise we are somewhat 
>>> hijacking the thread?
>>>
>>> Of note is I am using filters such as "[tag[WhitePaper]]" where it would 
>>> be nice to either include all tiddlers tagged by the tiddlers that are 
>>> tagged by WhitePaper like the Table of Contents macro
>>>
>>> I think there would be value being able to specify more than one filter 
>>> as you suggest.
>>>
>>> For the moment I am just thinking will the second filter be wrapped 
>>> inside the first?
>>>
>>> Imagine filter1 filter2 filter3 = chapter section paragraph
>>>
>>> So when listing paragraphs we only want to be listing those with the 
>>> same chapter and section
>>> And ideally each filter will provide the sort order.
>>>
>>> I will return to this soon.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 10:24:26 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:

 Hey Tony, I was thinking of adding "subtiddler" as another optional 
 parameter, then going along these lines:

 <$list filter="$filter$" variable="parItem">
 <$transclude tiddler=<> subtiddler="$subtiddler$"/>
 

 As you can see, I'm not quite imaginative enough to think of more than 
 that . Please do share your ideas, and use the code present on the 
 demo site to build something better (we can build them together, too, I 
 just don't know how collabs work).

 I'm also still mulling over using the Navigator widget, which requires 
 the creation of additional tiddlers, with the absolute pro of not having 
 to 
 rely on temporary tiddlers... 樂


 On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:30:47 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>
> JD,
>
> I just tried this and it is very helpful. Thanks for the demo.
>
> I just applied it to a list of issues (items tagged Issues) and 
> realised It would be helpful to list the sub tiddlers.
>
> I have more ideas and some ideas about how to approach it, if you were 
> to develop it further but as you say this conversation is already under 
> way.
>
> It seems a somewhat simpler approach is down this path.
>
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 2:09:28 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>>
>> I hastily created a wordy little macro that does the same thing, 
>> before I read your post, and now I feel stupid lol 
>>
>> Still, I created a demo for the "paragraphs" macro, as seen here 
>> http://j.d.paragraphs.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> But the navigator widget(?) method does look cleaner
>>
>> EDIT: corrected URL
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 12:05:45 PM UTC+9, zemoxian wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's a barebones template to start from:
>>>  
>>>
>>> <$navigator story="PE:story" history="PE:history">
>>> {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}}
>>> <$list filter="[list[PE:story]]" template="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate" 
>>> editTemplate="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate" 
>>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}} />
>>> 
>>>
>>>  You can create custom templates to replace $:/core/ui/EditTemplate 
>>> and $:/core/ui/EditTemplate with simpler templates with the 
>>> required functionality.
>>>  
>>> For example the view template could be as simple as:
>>>  
>>>
>>> 
>>> {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}}
>>> {{||move-up button}} {{||move-down button}}
>>> <$view field=title />
>>> 
>>> <$transclude />
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>  The move-up and down buttons would allow you to move paragraphs or 
>>> sections up and down.
>>>  
>>> On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 9:58:26 PM UTC-4, zemoxian wrote:
>>>

[tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

JD,

I am not sure about the full blown part, but outline yes.

This difficulty between composing large texts and the tiddler as the basic 
unit is a common stumbling block for newbies, until they understand the 
model they do create large tiddlers, then come to the forum asking 
questions how to deal with large tiddlers.

It makes sense we have a solution already made for authors of larger 
content that also encourages use of the tiddler and structuring that data. 
Personally unless we do this a lot of users will not even see how powerful 
it is to divide and organise there data or documents. Outlining is the 
minimum structure we need to support large documents.

I agree on using the TableOfContents model or similar, I would like to see 
a check box or setting that hides and shows tiddler names, edit links, tags 
and perhaps even author notes. SOne of those settings will show it in a way 
it can be printed and another so that open in new window is a valid way to 
monitor the whole documents progress while working on its parts.  Further 
ease of reordering is also important, and a preview plugins so you can see 
content of tiddlers from links also makes sense.

When users can author paragraphs and a paragraphs or section "is a tiddler" 
then collaborative documents is a possibility with all the features than 
can be applied to tiddler management becoming available.

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:17:45 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>
> Hi Tony, you mean, like a full-blown outline, right? 
>
> If that's so, I think, maybe, we can use the TOC template for this. And 
> instead of transcluding the title, we transclude the body of the text 
> (while still following the tag-tree structure). What do you think? 
>
> My contribution in this will be slow during the weekdays (9 - 5 job + lots 
> of overtime gets in the way)
>
> This is exciting stuff. I'm thinking of using this to write a novelette. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 9:17:59 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> JD,
>>
>> Should we be using a new thread to collaborate otherwise we are somewhat 
>> hijacking the thread?
>>
>> Of note is I am using filters such as "[tag[WhitePaper]]" where it would 
>> be nice to either include all tiddlers tagged by the tiddlers that are 
>> tagged by WhitePaper like the Table of Contents macro
>>
>> I think there would be value being able to specify more than one filter 
>> as you suggest.
>>
>> For the moment I am just thinking will the second filter be wrapped 
>> inside the first?
>>
>> Imagine filter1 filter2 filter3 = chapter section paragraph
>>
>> So when listing paragraphs we only want to be listing those with the same 
>> chapter and section
>> And ideally each filter will provide the sort order.
>>
>> I will return to this soon.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 10:24:26 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Tony, I was thinking of adding "subtiddler" as another optional 
>>> parameter, then going along these lines:
>>>
>>> <$list filter="$filter$" variable="parItem">
>>> <$transclude tiddler=<> subtiddler="$subtiddler$"/>
>>> 
>>>
>>> As you can see, I'm not quite imaginative enough to think of more than 
>>> that . Please do share your ideas, and use the code present on the 
>>> demo site to build something better (we can build them together, too, I 
>>> just don't know how collabs work).
>>>
>>> I'm also still mulling over using the Navigator widget, which requires 
>>> the creation of additional tiddlers, with the absolute pro of not having to 
>>> rely on temporary tiddlers... 樂
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:30:47 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:

 JD,

 I just tried this and it is very helpful. Thanks for the demo.

 I just applied it to a list of issues (items tagged Issues) and 
 realised It would be helpful to list the sub tiddlers.

 I have more ideas and some ideas about how to approach it, if you were 
 to develop it further but as you say this conversation is already under 
 way.

 It seems a somewhat simpler approach is down this path.

 Regards
 Tony

 On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 2:09:28 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>
> I hastily created a wordy little macro that does the same thing, 
> before I read your post, and now I feel stupid lol 
>
> Still, I created a demo for the "paragraphs" macro, as seen here 
> http://j.d.paragraphs.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> But the navigator widget(?) method does look cleaner
>
> EDIT: corrected URL
>
>
> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 12:05:45 PM UTC+9, zemoxian wrote:
>>
>> Here's a barebones template to start from:
>>  
>>
>> <$navigator story="PE:story" history="PE:history">
>> {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}}
>> <$list filter="[list[PE:story]]" template="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate" 
>> editTemplate="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate" 
>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}} />
>> 
>>
>>

[tw5] Re: Controls for audio files

Hi Matt,
I found a way by revealing 

I'm using that at tiddlypiano.tiddlyspot.com and musicsheets.tiddlyspot.com 

In combination with the <$press> widget at hammerwidgets.tiddlyspot.com 
it's a button that plays the audio when pressing it and stops when 
releasing - normal buttons simply play the whole audio file



see http://musicsheets.tiddlyspot.com/#sad-trombone.json for an example of 
a stored audio
encoding mp3 or other formats to base64 can be done in various ways
on linux terminal there's the base64 command, I think it's available on 
osx, too - if not then it's installable - or there are guis or online 
converters

Simon

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[tw5] Controls for audio files

2018-04-10 Thread Matthew Lauber

All, 
Perhaps I'm pushing the limits of tiddlywiki a bit far, but I'm using 
it for D planning, and I want to add sounds to my encounters.  I've got a 
bunch of audio files, but I'd like to be able to start and stop multiple of 
them with a single button.  Anyone found a good method for controlling 
audio files in tiddlywiki?  Should I start writing up custom action-widgets 
to control things?  If so, how should I identify the dom nodes associated 
with a given audio element?

Thanks,
Matt Lauber

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[tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes

Could subvert the minimum length field. Put this below first div in 
$:/core/ui/SearchResults:

<$reveal tag="div" state="$:/config/Search/MinLength" type="nomatch" 
text="50" default="">
<$button>Hide<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/config/Search/MinLength" 
text="50"/>


and replace contents of $:/language/Search/Search/TooShort with 

<$reveal tag="div" state="$:/config/Search/MinLength" type="match" 
text="50" default="">
<$button >
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/config/Search/MinLength" text="3"/>
Show

 

This is clumsy I know, since effectively there are now two ways to dismiss 
the results, and the user no longer has a way to set a true minimum (other 
than hacking the hack) .

The problem with keystrokes is that the specialty (non-ASCII) keystrokes 
are difficult to make on a tablet or phone where this kind of feature is 
most needed.

Thanks!
Mark


On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:02:16 AM UTC-7, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Yes -- that's what I said. But is there a setting to turn off key-by-key 
>> searching and replace it with traditional type-and-enter ?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mark
>>
>
> Hi Mark, couldn't that be done with a <$keyboard key=yourkey actions="set 
> statetiddler on"> before the search input field
>
>
> ... and this in the search results popup: 
>
> <$reveal statetiddler=on>
> searchresults
> 
>
>
> Simon
>

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

... the updates on moveablefab.tiddlyspot.com have become a bit bigger, it 
works great now (on my laptop) and can be customized further if one wants

we could have different buttons if swiping up/down/right/left for example


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Re: [tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

2018-04-10 Thread Diego Mesa

Mark, 

I remember we had this conversation on another thread when I brought up 
Anki as well lol. I'd summarize that, IMO, if you buy into the TW 
philosophy that its your external brain - that you place all information 
that is somewhat important to you into TW - it only makes sense that it 
would have some mechanism to help you remember certain key pieces. 

Add onto that that its completely open source and lets you *completely* 
customize what any "card"/question can act and look like, it seems like a 
no-brainer to me!

Diego

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 12:38:52 PM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I'm not as convinced with Anki. Anki is already free, open-source, and 
> well-written. Your data may be kept in the cloud, but unless you're a spy 
> no one is going to be interested in your language study progress.
>
> How about a bookmark app that you could take with you? Especially if it 
> were possible to capture and store small thumbprints of web-pages. 
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 10:24:55 AM UTC-7, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> I 100% agree with you Mark that a Dynalist built into TW would be a 
>> killer app. I also think the same about Anki, and am working with Simon to 
>> achieve that as well! 
>>
>> If we could get one or two killer, easy to use and easy to follow 
>> "applications" built into TW like that, I think it will do much to bring TW 
>> to a much larger audience. 
>>
>> On a related note, I have personally built a Paper/Reference management 
>> system into TW that I am happy with, and have in the back of my mind to 
>> distil into a plugin/edition for demonstration as well.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:51:32 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Workflowy looks like it decided to rest on it's laurels before it had 
>>> any.
>>>
>>> For the price of Dynalist, you could get two subscriptions to Evernote. 
>>>
>>> None of the cloud-based services seem to promise client-side encryption. 
>>>
>>> An outlining tool built on TW might be the killer app (edition) for TW 
>>> that everyone keeps talking about.  I've started on my own "TWFlowy" once 
>>> or twice, built on the TOC macro. Someone who knew what they were doing 
>>> could probably come up with something really nice, with the security of 
>>> local files and the flexibility of TW.
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 6:25:53 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:

 Seems like a lot of effort when there are better tools for writing and 
 outlining, like Dynalist or Workflowy.

 David Gifford
 Mexico team leader, Mexico City

 *Resonate Global Mission*
 *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
 A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
 resonateglobalmission.org


 On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:17 AM, JD  wrote:

> Hi Tony, you mean, like a full-blown outline, right? 
>
> If that's so, I think, maybe, we can use the TOC template for this. 
> And instead of transcluding the title, we transclude the body of the text 
> (while still following the tag-tree structure). What do you think? 
>
> My contribution in this will be slow during the weekdays (9 - 5 job + 
> lots of overtime gets in the way)
>
> This is exciting stuff. I'm thinking of using this to write a 
> novelette. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 9:17:59 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> JD,
>>
>> Should we be using a new thread to collaborate otherwise we are 
>> somewhat hijacking the thread?
>>
>> Of note is I am using filters such as "[tag[WhitePaper]]" where it 
>> would be nice to either include all tiddlers tagged by the tiddlers that 
>> are tagged by WhitePaper like the Table of Contents macro
>>
>> I think there would be value being able to specify more than one 
>> filter as you suggest.
>>
>> For the moment I am just thinking will the second filter be wrapped 
>> inside the first?
>>
>> Imagine filter1 filter2 filter3 = chapter section paragraph
>>
>> So when listing paragraphs we only want to be listing those with the 
>> same chapter and section
>> And ideally each filter will provide the sort order.
>>
>> I will return to this soon.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 10:24:26 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Tony, I was thinking of adding "subtiddler" as another optional 
>>> parameter, then going along these lines:
>>>
>>> <$list filter="$filter$" variable="parItem">
>>> <$transclude tiddler=<> subtiddler="$subtiddler$"/>
>>> 
>>>
>>> As you can see, I'm not quite imaginative enough to think of more 
>>> than that . Please do share your ideas, and use the code present 
>>> on the demo site to build something better (we can build them together, 
>>> too, I just don't know how collabs work).
>>>
>>> I'm also still mulling over

[tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes


>
> Yes -- that's what I said. But is there a setting to turn off key-by-key 
> searching and replace it with traditional type-and-enter ?
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>

Hi Mark, couldn't that be done with a <$keyboard key=yourkey actions="set 
statetiddler on"> before the search input field


... and this in the search results popup: 

<$reveal statetiddler=on>
searchresults



Simon

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Re: [tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

I'm not as convinced with Anki. Anki is already free, open-source, and 
well-written. Your data may be kept in the cloud, but unless you're a spy 
no one is going to be interested in your language study progress.

How about a bookmark app that you could take with you? Especially if it 
were possible to capture and store small thumbprints of web-pages. 

-- Mark

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 10:24:55 AM UTC-7, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> I 100% agree with you Mark that a Dynalist built into TW would be a killer 
> app. I also think the same about Anki, and am working with Simon to 
> achieve that as well! 
>
> If we could get one or two killer, easy to use and easy to follow 
> "applications" built into TW like that, I think it will do much to bring TW 
> to a much larger audience. 
>
> On a related note, I have personally built a Paper/Reference management 
> system into TW that I am happy with, and have in the back of my mind to 
> distil into a plugin/edition for demonstration as well.
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:51:32 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Workflowy looks like it decided to rest on it's laurels before it had any.
>>
>> For the price of Dynalist, you could get two subscriptions to Evernote. 
>>
>> None of the cloud-based services seem to promise client-side encryption. 
>>
>> An outlining tool built on TW might be the killer app (edition) for TW 
>> that everyone keeps talking about.  I've started on my own "TWFlowy" once 
>> or twice, built on the TOC macro. Someone who knew what they were doing 
>> could probably come up with something really nice, with the security of 
>> local files and the flexibility of TW.
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 6:25:53 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Seems like a lot of effort when there are better tools for writing and 
>>> outlining, like Dynalist or Workflowy.
>>>
>>> David Gifford
>>> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>>>
>>> *Resonate Global Mission*
>>> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
>>> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
>>> resonateglobalmission.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:17 AM, JD  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Tony, you mean, like a full-blown outline, right? 

 If that's so, I think, maybe, we can use the TOC template for this. And 
 instead of transcluding the title, we transclude the body of the text 
 (while still following the tag-tree structure). What do you think? 

 My contribution in this will be slow during the weekdays (9 - 5 job + 
 lots of overtime gets in the way)

 This is exciting stuff. I'm thinking of using this to write a 
 novelette. 


 On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 9:17:59 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>
> JD,
>
> Should we be using a new thread to collaborate otherwise we are 
> somewhat hijacking the thread?
>
> Of note is I am using filters such as "[tag[WhitePaper]]" where it 
> would be nice to either include all tiddlers tagged by the tiddlers that 
> are tagged by WhitePaper like the Table of Contents macro
>
> I think there would be value being able to specify more than one 
> filter as you suggest.
>
> For the moment I am just thinking will the second filter be wrapped 
> inside the first?
>
> Imagine filter1 filter2 filter3 = chapter section paragraph
>
> So when listing paragraphs we only want to be listing those with the 
> same chapter and section
> And ideally each filter will provide the sort order.
>
> I will return to this soon.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 10:24:26 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hey Tony, I was thinking of adding "subtiddler" as another optional 
>> parameter, then going along these lines:
>>
>> <$list filter="$filter$" variable="parItem">
>> <$transclude tiddler=<> subtiddler="$subtiddler$"/>
>> 
>>
>> As you can see, I'm not quite imaginative enough to think of more 
>> than that . Please do share your ideas, and use the code present 
>> on the demo site to build something better (we can build them together, 
>> too, I just don't know how collabs work).
>>
>> I'm also still mulling over using the Navigator widget, which 
>> requires the creation of additional tiddlers, with the absolute pro of 
>> not 
>> having to rely on temporary tiddlers... 樂
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:30:47 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> JD,
>>>
>>> I just tried this and it is very helpful. Thanks for the demo.
>>>
>>> I just applied it to a list of issues (items tagged Issues) and 
>>> realised It would be helpful to list the sub tiddlers.
>>>
>>> I have more ideas and some ideas about how to approach it, if you 
>>> were to develop it further but as you say this conversation is already 
>>> under way.
>>>
>>> It seems a somewhat simpler

Re: [tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

2018-04-10 Thread Diego Mesa

I 100% agree with you Mark that a Dynalist built into TW would be a killer 
app. I also think the same about Anki, and am working with Simon to 
achieve that as well! 

If we could get one or two killer, easy to use and easy to follow 
"applications" built into TW like that, I think it will do much to bring TW 
to a much larger audience. 

On a related note, I have personally built a Paper/Reference management 
system into TW that I am happy with, and have in the back of my mind to 
distil into a plugin/edition for demonstration as well.

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:51:32 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Workflowy looks like it decided to rest on it's laurels before it had any.
>
> For the price of Dynalist, you could get two subscriptions to Evernote. 
>
> None of the cloud-based services seem to promise client-side encryption. 
>
> An outlining tool built on TW might be the killer app (edition) for TW 
> that everyone keeps talking about.  I've started on my own "TWFlowy" once 
> or twice, built on the TOC macro. Someone who knew what they were doing 
> could probably come up with something really nice, with the security of 
> local files and the flexibility of TW.
>
> -- Mark
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 6:25:53 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Seems like a lot of effort when there are better tools for writing and 
>> outlining, like Dynalist or Workflowy.
>>
>> David Gifford
>> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>>
>> *Resonate Global Mission*
>> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
>> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
>> resonateglobalmission.org
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:17 AM, JD  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tony, you mean, like a full-blown outline, right? 
>>>
>>> If that's so, I think, maybe, we can use the TOC template for this. And 
>>> instead of transcluding the title, we transclude the body of the text 
>>> (while still following the tag-tree structure). What do you think? 
>>>
>>> My contribution in this will be slow during the weekdays (9 - 5 job + 
>>> lots of overtime gets in the way)
>>>
>>> This is exciting stuff. I'm thinking of using this to write a novelette. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 9:17:59 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:

 JD,

 Should we be using a new thread to collaborate otherwise we are 
 somewhat hijacking the thread?

 Of note is I am using filters such as "[tag[WhitePaper]]" where it 
 would be nice to either include all tiddlers tagged by the tiddlers that 
 are tagged by WhitePaper like the Table of Contents macro

 I think there would be value being able to specify more than one filter 
 as you suggest.

 For the moment I am just thinking will the second filter be wrapped 
 inside the first?

 Imagine filter1 filter2 filter3 = chapter section paragraph

 So when listing paragraphs we only want to be listing those with the 
 same chapter and section
 And ideally each filter will provide the sort order.

 I will return to this soon.

 Tony


 On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 10:24:26 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>
> Hey Tony, I was thinking of adding "subtiddler" as another optional 
> parameter, then going along these lines:
>
> <$list filter="$filter$" variable="parItem">
> <$transclude tiddler=<> subtiddler="$subtiddler$"/>
> 
>
> As you can see, I'm not quite imaginative enough to think of more than 
> that . Please do share your ideas, and use the code present on the 
> demo site to build something better (we can build them together, too, I 
> just don't know how collabs work).
>
> I'm also still mulling over using the Navigator widget, which requires 
> the creation of additional tiddlers, with the absolute pro of not having 
> to 
> rely on temporary tiddlers... 樂
>
>
> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:30:47 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> JD,
>>
>> I just tried this and it is very helpful. Thanks for the demo.
>>
>> I just applied it to a list of issues (items tagged Issues) and 
>> realised It would be helpful to list the sub tiddlers.
>>
>> I have more ideas and some ideas about how to approach it, if you 
>> were to develop it further but as you say this conversation is already 
>> under way.
>>
>> It seems a somewhat simpler approach is down this path.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 2:09:28 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> I hastily created a wordy little macro that does the same thing, 
>>> before I read your post, and now I feel stupid lol 
>>>
>>> Still, I created a demo for the "paragraphs" macro, as seen here 
>>> http://j.d.paragraphs.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> But the navigator widget(?) method does look cleaner
>>>
>>> EDIT: corrected URL
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 12:05:45

[tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes

Yes -- that's what I said. But is there a setting to turn off key-by-key 
searching and replace it with traditional type-and-enter ?

Thanks!
Mark

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 8:41:42 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 5:35:07 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Since there's a hidden setting to control minimum key length, it must be 
>> possible internally to change the mechanism so that it only searches upon 
>> enter.  Maybe there could be a hidden setting to turn off key-by-key 
>> searching?
>>
>
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Hidden%20Settings:%5B%5BHidden%20Settings%5D%5D%20%5B%5BHidden%20Setting%3A%20Search%20Minimum%20Length%5D%5D
>
> Search Minimum length defaults to: 3  since v5.1.14
>
> -m 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

Workflowy looks like it decided to rest on it's laurels before it had any.

For the price of Dynalist, you could get two subscriptions to Evernote. 

None of the cloud-based services seem to promise client-side encryption. 

An outlining tool built on TW might be the killer app (edition) for TW that 
everyone keeps talking about.  I've started on my own "TWFlowy" once or 
twice, built on the TOC macro. Someone who knew what they were doing could 
probably come up with something really nice, with the security of local 
files and the flexibility of TW.

-- Mark


On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 6:25:53 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Seems like a lot of effort when there are better tools for writing and 
> outlining, like Dynalist or Workflowy.
>
> David Gifford
> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>
> *Resonate Global Mission*
> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
> resonateglobalmission.org
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:17 AM, JD  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tony, you mean, like a full-blown outline, right? 
>>
>> If that's so, I think, maybe, we can use the TOC template for this. And 
>> instead of transcluding the title, we transclude the body of the text 
>> (while still following the tag-tree structure). What do you think? 
>>
>> My contribution in this will be slow during the weekdays (9 - 5 job + 
>> lots of overtime gets in the way)
>>
>> This is exciting stuff. I'm thinking of using this to write a novelette. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 9:17:59 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> JD,
>>>
>>> Should we be using a new thread to collaborate otherwise we are somewhat 
>>> hijacking the thread?
>>>
>>> Of note is I am using filters such as "[tag[WhitePaper]]" where it would 
>>> be nice to either include all tiddlers tagged by the tiddlers that are 
>>> tagged by WhitePaper like the Table of Contents macro
>>>
>>> I think there would be value being able to specify more than one filter 
>>> as you suggest.
>>>
>>> For the moment I am just thinking will the second filter be wrapped 
>>> inside the first?
>>>
>>> Imagine filter1 filter2 filter3 = chapter section paragraph
>>>
>>> So when listing paragraphs we only want to be listing those with the 
>>> same chapter and section
>>> And ideally each filter will provide the sort order.
>>>
>>> I will return to this soon.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 10:24:26 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:

 Hey Tony, I was thinking of adding "subtiddler" as another optional 
 parameter, then going along these lines:

 <$list filter="$filter$" variable="parItem">
 <$transclude tiddler=<> subtiddler="$subtiddler$"/>
 

 As you can see, I'm not quite imaginative enough to think of more than 
 that . Please do share your ideas, and use the code present on the 
 demo site to build something better (we can build them together, too, I 
 just don't know how collabs work).

 I'm also still mulling over using the Navigator widget, which requires 
 the creation of additional tiddlers, with the absolute pro of not having 
 to 
 rely on temporary tiddlers... 樂


 On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:30:47 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>
> JD,
>
> I just tried this and it is very helpful. Thanks for the demo.
>
> I just applied it to a list of issues (items tagged Issues) and 
> realised It would be helpful to list the sub tiddlers.
>
> I have more ideas and some ideas about how to approach it, if you were 
> to develop it further but as you say this conversation is already under 
> way.
>
> It seems a somewhat simpler approach is down this path.
>
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 2:09:28 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>>
>> I hastily created a wordy little macro that does the same thing, 
>> before I read your post, and now I feel stupid lol 
>>
>> Still, I created a demo for the "paragraphs" macro, as seen here 
>> http://j.d.paragraphs.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> But the navigator widget(?) method does look cleaner
>>
>> EDIT: corrected URL
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 12:05:45 PM UTC+9, zemoxian wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's a barebones template to start from:
>>>  
>>>
>>> <$navigator story="PE:story" history="PE:history">
>>> {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}}
>>> <$list filter="[list[PE:story]]" template="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate" 
>>> editTemplate="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate" 
>>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}} />
>>> 
>>>
>>>  You can create custom templates to replace $:/core/ui/EditTemplate 
>>> and $:/core/ui/EditTemplate with simpler templates with the 
>>> required functionality.
>>>  
>>> For example the view template could be as simple as:
>>>  
>>>
>>> 
>>> {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}}
>>> {{||move-up

[tw5] Re: file size reduction

2018-04-10 Thread Mat

Aha, didn't even notice the "lsort". Yes, as Mark points out it is someting 
from Stephan Hradek found here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/hr75FTeEL_g/Zq9c1OJz6KkJ

Investigating it closer, I'm realizing I probably found the solution from

http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#How%20Big%20Are%20Tiddlers%20In%20Size%3F

where Tobias gives cred to Stephan.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: file size reduction

Looks like it's by Stephan Hradek in this thread: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/hr75FTeEL_g/tFQ-ZIQoMLwJ;context-place=topic/tiddlywiki/3xMIbzlaBLM

-- Mark

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 9:04:01 AM UTC-7, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hey Mat,
>
> What is lsort? I dont seem to have that
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 12:06:02 AM UTC-5, Mat wrote:
>>
>> The matter felt familiar so I checked one of my main TWs for "sizesort" 
>> and, sure enough;
>>
>> <$list filter="[!is[system]!is[shadow]!lsort[]]">
>> <$macrocall $name="length" tiddler={{!!title}}/>
>> <$link><$view field=title/>
>> 
>>
>> Now, that "length" macro is apparently from this plugin by Thomas Elmiger:
>>
>> $:/plugins/telmiger/EditorCounter/counter.js
>>
>>
>> do a search and you'll probably find it.
>>
>> After those things were made, we now have a "count" filter operator. 
>> Maybe that can be used instead to not depend on that separate plugin... but 
>> on the other hand it might be much slower, I have no idea.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 6:55:12 AM UTC+2, SveRo wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> i've got TW5 v. 5.15 running.
>>> No includet PDF's, pics or something like that but the file has > 10Mb.
>>>
>>> I've tested some pluginns in the past, but removed the after testing.
>>> Just the "checklist plugin" is acive!
>>>
>>> Is there any possibility to check form what part the file size is 
>>> comming?
>>>
>>> OR...
>>>
>>> Can i do "mass -export"of mytiddler to set up a comletely new TW5,
>>> but with the side-bar configuration i established?
>>>
>>> Many thank for your reply's
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> Sven
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: file size reduction

2018-04-10 Thread Diego Mesa

Hey Mat,

What is lsort? I dont seem to have that

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 12:06:02 AM UTC-5, Mat wrote:
>
> The matter felt familiar so I checked one of my main TWs for "sizesort" 
> and, sure enough;
>
> <$list filter="[!is[system]!is[shadow]!lsort[]]">
> <$macrocall $name="length" tiddler={{!!title}}/>
> <$link><$view field=title/>
> 
>
> Now, that "length" macro is apparently from this plugin by Thomas Elmiger:
>
> $:/plugins/telmiger/EditorCounter/counter.js
>
>
> do a search and you'll probably find it.
>
> After those things were made, we now have a "count" filter operator. Maybe 
> that can be used instead to not depend on that separate plugin... but on 
> the other hand it might be much slower, I have no idea.
>
> <:-)
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 6:55:12 AM UTC+2, SveRo wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> i've got TW5 v. 5.15 running.
>> No includet PDF's, pics or something like that but the file has > 10Mb.
>>
>> I've tested some pluginns in the past, but removed the after testing.
>> Just the "checklist plugin" is acive!
>>
>> Is there any possibility to check form what part the file size is comming?
>>
>> OR...
>>
>> Can i do "mass -export"of mytiddler to set up a comletely new TW5,
>> but with the side-bar configuration i established?
>>
>> Many thank for your reply's
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Sven
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

@JD 

I made some minor updates on my moveablefab.tiddlyspot.com

mostly the handling when you press long enough to pan, but you don't 
actually pan, so that it deletes that one state tiddler that allows panning 
with the <$press> endactions (with a list filter that checks if panning was 
done)

and a bit of css to show that panning is activated


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[tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 5:35:07 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Since there's a hidden setting to control minimum key length, it must be 
> possible internally to change the mechanism so that it only searches upon 
> enter.  Maybe there could be a hidden setting to turn off key-by-key 
> searching?
>

https://tiddlywiki.com/#Hidden%20Settings:%5B%5BHidden%20Settings%5D%5D%20%5B%5BHidden%20Setting%3A%20Search%20Minimum%20Length%5D%5D

Search Minimum length defaults to: 3 

-m 

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[tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes

In the past when I've tried the type-ahead setting, I couldn't find that it 
made any difference one way or the other. I'll try again.

What I mean about the database on the backend, is that big companies like 
Google and Amazon use some streaming/buffering Ajax technology where search 
key-by-key actually works. But with large datasets or on small devices, 
key-by-key search doesn't work efficiently with TiddlyWiki. 

Since there's a hidden setting to control minimum key length, it must be 
possible internally to change the mechanism so that it only searches upon 
enter.  Maybe there could be a hidden setting to turn off key-by-key 
searching?

Thanks!
-- Mark


On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 5:33:47 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>
> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 5:21:21 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I perceive the results-as-you-type thing as more of a toy -- not a 
>> usability development.
>>
>
> You can change it. There is a HiddenSetting 
> that
>  
> defaults to 400ms. ... That means: If you stop typing for longer than 400ms 
> the draft tiddler will be stored. .. which may trigger a refresh of the 
> visible tiddlers involved. Typing a new character will reset the timeout. 
>
> You can set it to 1 (= 10 seconds) or even higher. 
>  
>
>> Not just TW, but anywhere it's used. It may make sense when it's attached 
>> to  a powerful back-end server database, but not so much when you have a 
>> local, non-indexed data source.
>>
>
> In the contrary. ... Every time a tiddler is saved, it will be synced with 
> the backend. .. If the backend is connected with a slow connection, you 
> don't want this behaviour at all. 
>  
>
>> In the case of TW, it interferes with usability particularly on small 
>> devices. Re-rendering with each keystroke is another related problem that 
>> affects all TW's performance. I can only assume most users are not touch 
>> typists, have very powerful machines, have small TW's, or are using screen 
>> keyboards.
>>
>
> As I wrote. You can change the parameter.  
>
> Just my thoughts
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

\define mymacro()
list
action
bla
\end

<$tap $actions="""<>""">

works, too

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)


>
> Whoa, I just found out by studying your code that actions can be defined 
> in macros... I tried it with your test page just to see if it worked 
> (nothing was changed inside the macros)
>

Oh yes, that's possible :) - that allows many many ideas to become possible 

>
> \define pressStartActions()
> """
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/fab-pan-values" $field="center-x" 
> $value={{$:/state/fab-static!!center-x}}/>
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/fab-pan-values" $field="center-y" 
> $value={{$:/state/fab-static!!center-y}}/>
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/swipe-onoff" $field="text" 
> $value="off"/>
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/FABs" $field="text" $value="no"/>
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/fab-panning" text="yes"/>
> """
> \end
>
> \define panEndActions()
> """
> <$list filter="[[$:/state/fab-panning]!is[missing]]">
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/fab-static" $field="center-x" 
> $value={{$:/state/fab-pan-values!!center-x}}/>
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/fab-static" $field="center-y" 
> $value={{$:/state/fab-pan-values!!center-y}}/>
> 
> <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/state/fab-panning"/>
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/swipe-onoff" $field="text" 
> $value="on"/>
> """
> \end
>
> \define swipeUpActions()
> """
> <$list filter="[{$:/state/swipe-onoff}regexp[on]]">
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/FABs" $field="text" $value="yes"/>
> 
> """
> \end
>
> \define swipeDownActions()
> """
> <$list 
> filter="[{$:/state/FABs}regexp[yes]addprefix{$:/state/swipe-onoff}regexp[onyes]]">
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/FABs" $field="text" $value="no"/>
> 
> """
> \end
>
> <$set name="tv-config-toolbar-class" value="tc-btn-invisible FABitem">
> <$press $targets="tc-fab-press-wrapper" $time="500" 
> $startactions=<>>
> <$pan $targets="tc-fab-press-wrapper" 
> $statetiddler="$:/state/fab-pan-values" $endactions=<>>
> <$swipe $targets="tc-fab-wrapper" $velocity="0.1" $direction="up" 
> $actions=<>>
> <$swipe $targets="tc-fab-wrapper" $velocity="0.1" $direction="down" 
> $actions=<>>
> 
> 
> 
> <$transclude tiddler={{$:/themes/jd/Material/ConfigDB##fab}}/>
> 
> 
> <$reveal state="$:/state/FABs" type="match" text="yes">
> 
> <$transclude tiddler={{$:/themes/jd/Material/ConfigDB##fab1}}/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> As I understand, we can't have both *press-end* and *pan-start* actions 
> working on the same target div? 
>

better the press-start actions, press-end would mean, you're not holding 
the pointer anymore / the finger has left the screen - then pan-start 
either has already happened or is not possible anymore

 But I don't see why press and pan shouldn't work on the same div, too - 
did you try that and it didn't work?


> (My day's about to end, will continue tomorrow)
>
> no problem, read you next time

BTC 

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[tw5] Re: HammerWidgets - Actions on Swipe, Pan, Press, Tap and Pinch


>
> what does adding 
> 
>  user-select: text !important; 
>
> to the element that should be made swipeable?
>

This works! I tried it on your swipable sidebar over at MuriTest, thanks!

 

> Because of the text-select blocking I prefer using the 
> top/left/right/bottom unused space of tiddlers for swipe actions
> The blocking of user-select is an important part for hammerjs to work 
> better ... I think if it selects the text every time you swipe, you 
> wouldn't be happy either
>

Yeah, I imagined applying the above idea to my mobile workflow, where 
text-selection is triggered by long press. But in touch-enabled desktop, 
yeah, I can see how text-selection can be disruptive :)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tooltips / modals that refer to tiddlers: a static / mobile impasse?

Oh, right, like a wikipedia article that has popup citations, but in this 
case, has popup tiddlers, so reading won't be disrupted by line breaks...

I suppose I can also try playing with the DetailsWidget CSS a bit just to 
maximize potential use.

I'm also interested in other folks' suggestions to this :)



On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 10:34:53 PM UTC+9, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Doesn't the details widget hijack the entire line of text, though? I a 
> thinking more of either highlighting text or symbols within a line, and 
> having a click to open popup.
>
> I went gungho for a while with details/summary for tables of contents, but 
> encountered css problems and stopped using it.
>
> David Gifford
> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>
> *Resonate Global Mission*
> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
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>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:26 AM, JD  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi David, 
>>
>> I tried Thomas' Details Widget 
>> , and it works for me by 
>> transcluding the content of other tiddlers into the "Details", then 
>> exporting only the parent tiddler.
>>
>> The button widget (for "Close All" or "Open All") doesn't work, 
>> however... does this work for you? 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 5:50:10 AM UTC+9, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Experimented today with exporting tiddlers to static html, but tiddlers 
>>> that have popups with content from other tiddlers.
>>>
>>> 1. At first I tried tooltips on hover. Worked great for my laptop. Got 
>>> it to look and function perfectly. Exported and uploaded it to 
>>> http://giffmex.org/experiments/hier.html, and it worked perfectly 
>>> accessing it online from my laptop. Then tried it on my iPad: no hover. 
>>> Clicking in one browser did nothing. Clicking in another browser opened the 
>>> tooltip but didn't allow me to close it. 
>>>
>>> 2. So I went back to the drawing board and tried button with on-click 
>>> modals. Again, worked fine in TiddlyWiki. But those don't work when 
>>> exporting to static, because they need the guts of TiddlyWiki to execute 
>>> the action.
>>>
>>> Is there a way around this impasse? My goal is to have a bare bones 
>>> outline, with hidden content that is revealed in popups, that works in 
>>> exported static htmls when accessed by mobile devices.
>>>
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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

Whoa, I just found out by studying your code that actions can be defined in 
macros... I tried it with your test page just to see if it worked (nothing 
was changed inside the macros)

\define pressStartActions()
"""
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/fab-pan-values" $field="center-x" 
$value={{$:/state/fab-static!!center-x}}/>
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/fab-pan-values" $field="center-y" 
$value={{$:/state/fab-static!!center-y}}/>
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/swipe-onoff" $field="text" 
$value="off"/>
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/FABs" $field="text" $value="no"/>
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/fab-panning" text="yes"/>
"""
\end

\define panEndActions()
"""
<$list filter="[[$:/state/fab-panning]!is[missing]]">
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/fab-static" $field="center-x" 
$value={{$:/state/fab-pan-values!!center-x}}/>
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/fab-static" $field="center-y" 
$value={{$:/state/fab-pan-values!!center-y}}/>

<$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/state/fab-panning"/>
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/swipe-onoff" $field="text" 
$value="on"/>
"""
\end

\define swipeUpActions()
"""
<$list filter="[{$:/state/swipe-onoff}regexp[on]]">
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/FABs" $field="text" $value="yes"/>

"""
\end

\define swipeDownActions()
"""
<$list 
filter="[{$:/state/FABs}regexp[yes]addprefix{$:/state/swipe-onoff}regexp[onyes]]">
<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/FABs" $field="text" $value="no"/>

"""
\end

<$set name="tv-config-toolbar-class" value="tc-btn-invisible FABitem">
<$press $targets="tc-fab-press-wrapper" $time="500" 
$startactions=<>>
<$pan $targets="tc-fab-press-wrapper" 
$statetiddler="$:/state/fab-pan-values" $endactions=<>>
<$swipe $targets="tc-fab-wrapper" $velocity="0.1" $direction="up" 
$actions=<>>
<$swipe $targets="tc-fab-wrapper" $velocity="0.1" $direction="down" 
$actions=<>>



<$transclude tiddler={{$:/themes/jd/Material/ConfigDB##fab}}/>


<$reveal state="$:/state/FABs" type="match" text="yes">

<$transclude tiddler={{$:/themes/jd/Material/ConfigDB##fab1}}/>









As I understand, we can't have both *press-end* and *pan-start* actions 
working on the same target div? 

(My day's about to end, will continue tomorrow)




On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 10:27:49 PM UTC+9, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> oh, yeah, that was pointed out in the official HammerWidgets page, too 
>> (the pointer events block). 
>>
>> While I'm well inside the div, panning very slowly so the div keeps up, 
>> the iframe doesn't block the movement... which made me think of Surgery 
>> games and such which gave me the idea of the possibility of creating a 
>> game with this lol 
>>
>> By the way, BTC... wait, maybe I'll post the rest of this thought over at 
>> the official thread
>>
>
> http://moveablefab.tiddlyspot.com/ 
>
> I've made progress - not much widget-tweaking but the fab itself and how 
> the widgets handle states
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tooltips / modals that refer to tiddlers: a static / mobile impasse?

2018-04-10 Thread David Gifford

Doesn't the details widget hijack the entire line of text, though? I a
thinking more of either highlighting text or symbols within a line, and
having a click to open popup.

I went gungho for a while with details/summary for tables of contents, but
encountered css problems and stopped using it.

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On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:26 AM, JD  wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> I tried Thomas' Details Widget
> , and it works for me by
> transcluding the content of other tiddlers into the "Details", then
> exporting only the parent tiddler.
>
> The button widget (for "Close All" or "Open All") doesn't work, however...
> does this work for you?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 5:50:10 AM UTC+9, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Experimented today with exporting tiddlers to static html, but tiddlers
>> that have popups with content from other tiddlers.
>>
>> 1. At first I tried tooltips on hover. Worked great for my laptop. Got it
>> to look and function perfectly. Exported and uploaded it to
>> http://giffmex.org/experiments/hier.html, and it worked perfectly
>> accessing it online from my laptop. Then tried it on my iPad: no hover.
>> Clicking in one browser did nothing. Clicking in another browser opened the
>> tooltip but didn't allow me to close it.
>>
>> 2. So I went back to the drawing board and tried button with on-click
>> modals. Again, worked fine in TiddlyWiki. But those don't work when
>> exporting to static, because they need the guts of TiddlyWiki to execute
>> the action.
>>
>> Is there a way around this impasse? My goal is to have a bare bones
>> outline, with hidden content that is revealed in popups, that works in
>> exported static htmls when accessed by mobile devices.
>>
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[tw5] Re: HammerWidgets - Actions on Swipe, Pan, Press, Tap and Pinch


>
> Hi, BTC
>
> I noticed that text inside the target-div inside the swipe widget isn't 
> selectable. 
>

Yes, that's something hammerjs disables by default, because swiping would 
then select text, too - and that's not wanted in most of the cases
 

> Is there a work-around to this that I'm missing?
>

I could make something that can be passed to the widget to disable it - 
I'll have to see
You could try a css tweak:

what does adding 

 user-select: text !important; 

to the element that should be made swipeable?

>
> I'm thinking of creating a position:absolute height:100% width:100% view 
> template with the swipe widget that will enable swipe-left to close 
> tiddler, and swipe-right to edit tiddler, but I want to retain the ability 
> to select text. Is this possible? 
>

Because of the text-select blocking I prefer using the 
top/left/right/bottom unused space of tiddlers for swipe actions
The blocking of user-select is an important part for hammerjs to work 
better ... I think if it selects the text every time you swipe, you 
wouldn't be happy either


BTC 

>
>
>
> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 9:29:16 PM UTC+9, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>> ... and the Pinch widget is online, too
>>
>> some small changes may be made the next days on some widgets the next 
>> days. nothing big - cleaning up and looking for errors
>>
>> BTC
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

Haha!  Oh well... sometimes the tool creation is as exciting as the use 
of the tool itself, at least for me. I get to know Tiddlywiki more with all 
these toying around.


On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 10:25:53 PM UTC+9, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Seems like a lot of effort when there are better tools for writing and 
> outlining, like Dynalist or Workflowy.
>
> David Gifford
> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>
> *Resonate Global Mission*
> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
> resonateglobalmission.org
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:17 AM, JD  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tony, you mean, like a full-blown outline, right? 
>>
>> If that's so, I think, maybe, we can use the TOC template for this. And 
>> instead of transcluding the title, we transclude the body of the text 
>> (while still following the tag-tree structure). What do you think? 
>>
>> My contribution in this will be slow during the weekdays (9 - 5 job + 
>> lots of overtime gets in the way)
>>
>> This is exciting stuff. I'm thinking of using this to write a novelette. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 9:17:59 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> JD,
>>>
>>> Should we be using a new thread to collaborate otherwise we are somewhat 
>>> hijacking the thread?
>>>
>>> Of note is I am using filters such as "[tag[WhitePaper]]" where it would 
>>> be nice to either include all tiddlers tagged by the tiddlers that are 
>>> tagged by WhitePaper like the Table of Contents macro
>>>
>>> I think there would be value being able to specify more than one filter 
>>> as you suggest.
>>>
>>> For the moment I am just thinking will the second filter be wrapped 
>>> inside the first?
>>>
>>> Imagine filter1 filter2 filter3 = chapter section paragraph
>>>
>>> So when listing paragraphs we only want to be listing those with the 
>>> same chapter and section
>>> And ideally each filter will provide the sort order.
>>>
>>> I will return to this soon.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 10:24:26 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:

 Hey Tony, I was thinking of adding "subtiddler" as another optional 
 parameter, then going along these lines:

 <$list filter="$filter$" variable="parItem">
 <$transclude tiddler=<> subtiddler="$subtiddler$"/>
 

 As you can see, I'm not quite imaginative enough to think of more than 
 that . Please do share your ideas, and use the code present on the 
 demo site to build something better (we can build them together, too, I 
 just don't know how collabs work).

 I'm also still mulling over using the Navigator widget, which requires 
 the creation of additional tiddlers, with the absolute pro of not having 
 to 
 rely on temporary tiddlers... 樂


 On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:30:47 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>
> JD,
>
> I just tried this and it is very helpful. Thanks for the demo.
>
> I just applied it to a list of issues (items tagged Issues) and 
> realised It would be helpful to list the sub tiddlers.
>
> I have more ideas and some ideas about how to approach it, if you were 
> to develop it further but as you say this conversation is already under 
> way.
>
> It seems a somewhat simpler approach is down this path.
>
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 2:09:28 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>>
>> I hastily created a wordy little macro that does the same thing, 
>> before I read your post, and now I feel stupid lol 
>>
>> Still, I created a demo for the "paragraphs" macro, as seen here 
>> http://j.d.paragraphs.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> But the navigator widget(?) method does look cleaner
>>
>> EDIT: corrected URL
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 12:05:45 PM UTC+9, zemoxian wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's a barebones template to start from:
>>>  
>>>
>>> <$navigator story="PE:story" history="PE:history">
>>> {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}}
>>> <$list filter="[list[PE:story]]" template="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate" 
>>> editTemplate="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate" 
>>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}} />
>>> 
>>>
>>>  You can create custom templates to replace $:/core/ui/EditTemplate 
>>> and $:/core/ui/EditTemplate with simpler templates with the 
>>> required functionality.
>>>  
>>> For example the view template could be as simple as:
>>>  
>>>
>>> 
>>> {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}}
>>> {{||move-up button}} {{||move-down button}}
>>> <$view field=title />
>>> 
>>> <$transclude />
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>  The move-up and down buttons would allow you to move paragraphs or 
>>> sections up and down.
>>>  
>>> On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 9:58:26 PM UTC-4, zemoxian wrote:
>>>
 You could combine a navigator widget with a list widget and a

[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)


>
> oh, yeah, that was pointed out in the official HammerWidgets page, too 
> (the pointer events block). 
>
> While I'm well inside the div, panning very slowly so the div keeps up, 
> the iframe doesn't block the movement... which made me think of Surgery 
> games and such which gave me the idea of the possibility of creating a 
> game with this lol 
>
> By the way, BTC... wait, maybe I'll post the rest of this thought over at 
> the official thread
>

http://moveablefab.tiddlyspot.com/ 

I've made progress - not much widget-tweaking but the fab itself and how 
the widgets handle states

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[tw5] Re: Tooltips / modals that refer to tiddlers: a static / mobile impasse?

Hi David, 

I tried Thomas' Details Widget , 
and it works for me by transcluding the content of other tiddlers into the 
"Details", then exporting only the parent tiddler.

The button widget (for "Close All" or "Open All") doesn't work, however... 
does this work for you? 



On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 5:50:10 AM UTC+9, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Experimented today with exporting tiddlers to static html, but tiddlers 
> that have popups with content from other tiddlers.
>
> 1. At first I tried tooltips on hover. Worked great for my laptop. Got it 
> to look and function perfectly. Exported and uploaded it to 
> http://giffmex.org/experiments/hier.html, and it worked perfectly 
> accessing it online from my laptop. Then tried it on my iPad: no hover. 
> Clicking in one browser did nothing. Clicking in another browser opened the 
> tooltip but didn't allow me to close it. 
>
> 2. So I went back to the drawing board and tried button with on-click 
> modals. Again, worked fine in TiddlyWiki. But those don't work when 
> exporting to static, because they need the guts of TiddlyWiki to execute 
> the action.
>
> Is there a way around this impasse? My goal is to have a bare bones 
> outline, with hidden content that is revealed in popups, that works in 
> exported static htmls when accessed by mobile devices.
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

2018-04-10 Thread David Gifford

Seems like a lot of effort when there are better tools for writing and
outlining, like Dynalist or Workflowy.

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On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:17 AM, JD  wrote:

> Hi Tony, you mean, like a full-blown outline, right?
>
> If that's so, I think, maybe, we can use the TOC template for this. And
> instead of transcluding the title, we transclude the body of the text
> (while still following the tag-tree structure). What do you think?
>
> My contribution in this will be slow during the weekdays (9 - 5 job + lots
> of overtime gets in the way)
>
> This is exciting stuff. I'm thinking of using this to write a novelette.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 9:17:59 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> JD,
>>
>> Should we be using a new thread to collaborate otherwise we are somewhat
>> hijacking the thread?
>>
>> Of note is I am using filters such as "[tag[WhitePaper]]" where it would
>> be nice to either include all tiddlers tagged by the tiddlers that are
>> tagged by WhitePaper like the Table of Contents macro
>>
>> I think there would be value being able to specify more than one filter
>> as you suggest.
>>
>> For the moment I am just thinking will the second filter be wrapped
>> inside the first?
>>
>> Imagine filter1 filter2 filter3 = chapter section paragraph
>>
>> So when listing paragraphs we only want to be listing those with the same
>> chapter and section
>> And ideally each filter will provide the sort order.
>>
>> I will return to this soon.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 10:24:26 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Tony, I was thinking of adding "subtiddler" as another optional
>>> parameter, then going along these lines:
>>>
>>> <$list filter="$filter$" variable="parItem">
>>> <$transclude tiddler=<> subtiddler="$subtiddler$"/>
>>> 
>>>
>>> As you can see, I'm not quite imaginative enough to think of more than
>>> that . Please do share your ideas, and use the code present on the
>>> demo site to build something better (we can build them together, too, I
>>> just don't know how collabs work).
>>>
>>> I'm also still mulling over using the Navigator widget, which requires
>>> the creation of additional tiddlers, with the absolute pro of not having to
>>> rely on temporary tiddlers... 樂
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:30:47 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:

 JD,

 I just tried this and it is very helpful. Thanks for the demo.

 I just applied it to a list of issues (items tagged Issues) and
 realised It would be helpful to list the sub tiddlers.

 I have more ideas and some ideas about how to approach it, if you were
 to develop it further but as you say this conversation is already under 
 way.

 It seems a somewhat simpler approach is down this path.


 Regards
 Tony

 On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 2:09:28 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>
> I hastily created a wordy little macro that does the same thing,
> before I read your post, and now I feel stupid lol
>
> Still, I created a demo for the "paragraphs" macro, as seen here
> http://j.d.paragraphs.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> But the navigator widget(?) method does look cleaner
>
> EDIT: corrected URL
>
>
> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 12:05:45 PM UTC+9, zemoxian wrote:
>>
>> Here's a barebones template to start from:
>>
>>
>> <$navigator story="PE:story" history="PE:history">
>> {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}}
>> <$list filter="[list[PE:story]]" template="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate"
>> editTemplate="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate" 
>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}
>> />
>> 
>>
>>  You can create custom templates to replace $:/core/ui/EditTemplate
>> and $:/core/ui/EditTemplate with simpler templates with the required
>> functionality.
>>
>> For example the view template could be as simple as:
>>
>>
>> 
>> {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}}
>> {{||move-up button}} {{||move-down button}}
>> <$view field=title />
>> 
>> <$transclude />
>> 
>> 
>>
>>  The move-up and down buttons would allow you to move paragraphs or
>> sections up and down.
>>
>> On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 9:58:26 PM UTC-4, zemoxian wrote:
>>
>>> You could combine a navigator widget with a list widget and a couple
>>> of templates to manipulate multiple tiddlers from one tiddler.  This is
>>> actually how the story works in the PageTemplate.  I've done this in the
>>> past while fiddling with stuff.  The navigator widget handles 
>>> manipulation
>>> of the story tiddler by handling messages from buttons on the view and 
>>> edit
>>> templates for the sub tiddlers.  You can create, edit, delete, save,

[tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

Hi Tony, you mean, like a full-blown outline, right? 

If that's so, I think, maybe, we can use the TOC template for this. And 
instead of transcluding the title, we transclude the body of the text 
(while still following the tag-tree structure). What do you think? 

My contribution in this will be slow during the weekdays (9 - 5 job + lots 
of overtime gets in the way)

This is exciting stuff. I'm thinking of using this to write a novelette. 


On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 9:17:59 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>
> JD,
>
> Should we be using a new thread to collaborate otherwise we are somewhat 
> hijacking the thread?
>
> Of note is I am using filters such as "[tag[WhitePaper]]" where it would 
> be nice to either include all tiddlers tagged by the tiddlers that are 
> tagged by WhitePaper like the Table of Contents macro
>
> I think there would be value being able to specify more than one filter as 
> you suggest.
>
> For the moment I am just thinking will the second filter be wrapped inside 
> the first?
>
> Imagine filter1 filter2 filter3 = chapter section paragraph
>
> So when listing paragraphs we only want to be listing those with the same 
> chapter and section
> And ideally each filter will provide the sort order.
>
> I will return to this soon.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 10:24:26 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hey Tony, I was thinking of adding "subtiddler" as another optional 
>> parameter, then going along these lines:
>>
>> <$list filter="$filter$" variable="parItem">
>> <$transclude tiddler=<> subtiddler="$subtiddler$"/>
>> 
>>
>> As you can see, I'm not quite imaginative enough to think of more than 
>> that . Please do share your ideas, and use the code present on the 
>> demo site to build something better (we can build them together, too, I 
>> just don't know how collabs work).
>>
>> I'm also still mulling over using the Navigator widget, which requires 
>> the creation of additional tiddlers, with the absolute pro of not having to 
>> rely on temporary tiddlers... 樂
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:30:47 AM UTC+9, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> JD,
>>>
>>> I just tried this and it is very helpful. Thanks for the demo.
>>>
>>> I just applied it to a list of issues (items tagged Issues) and realised 
>>> It would be helpful to list the sub tiddlers.
>>>
>>> I have more ideas and some ideas about how to approach it, if you were 
>>> to develop it further but as you say this conversation is already under way.
>>>
>>> It seems a somewhat simpler approach is down this path.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 2:09:28 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:

 I hastily created a wordy little macro that does the same thing, before 
 I read your post, and now I feel stupid lol 

 Still, I created a demo for the "paragraphs" macro, as seen here 
 http://j.d.paragraphs.tiddlyspot.com/

 But the navigator widget(?) method does look cleaner

 EDIT: corrected URL


 On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 12:05:45 PM UTC+9, zemoxian wrote:
>
> Here's a barebones template to start from:
>  
>
> <$navigator story="PE:story" history="PE:history">
> {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}}
> <$list filter="[list[PE:story]]" template="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate" 
> editTemplate="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate" 
> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}} />
> 
>
>  You can create custom templates to replace $:/core/ui/EditTemplate 
> and $:/core/ui/EditTemplate with simpler templates with the required 
> functionality.
>  
> For example the view template could be as simple as:
>  
>
> 
> {{||$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}}
> {{||move-up button}} {{||move-down button}}
> <$view field=title />
> 
> <$transclude />
> 
> 
>
>  The move-up and down buttons would allow you to move paragraphs or 
> sections up and down.
>  
> On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 9:58:26 PM UTC-4, zemoxian wrote:
>
>> You could combine a navigator widget with a list widget and a couple 
>> of templates to manipulate multiple tiddlers from one tiddler.  This is 
>> actually how the story works in the PageTemplate.  I've done this in the 
>> past while fiddling with stuff.  The navigator widget handles 
>> manipulation 
>> of the story tiddler by handling messages from buttons on the view and 
>> edit 
>> templates for the sub tiddlers.  You can create, edit, delete, save, 
>> etc.  
>> You can also create buttons with list operations to sort or reorder the 
>> tiddlers. (I.e. move up 1, move down 1, move to top, move to bottom, 
>> etc.)  
>> So, it is possible to keep each sub tiddler as a single paragraph with 
>> its 
>> own title, tags, and fields and reorder them as needed.  It just depends 
>> on 
>> what features you want for a particular story editing app. It is a 
>> little 
>> tedious creating

Re: [tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes

2018-04-10 Thread Jeremy Ruston


> On 10 Apr 2018, at 14:09, PMario  wrote:
> 
> VERY useful info! Who knew but you? :-) the problem with Hidden Settings is 
> they are ... Hidden :-).

https://tiddlywiki.com/#Hidden%20Settings

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 3:08:04 PM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 2:42:40 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> VERY useful info! Who knew but you? :-) the problem with Hidden Settings 
>> is they are ... Hidden :-).
>>
>
> For a reason. ... They have the ability to cause "strange behaviour" if 
> used wrong. 
>

The alternative to "hidden" would be "not implemented" -> removed.

-m

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[tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 2:42:40 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> VERY useful info! Who knew but you? :-) the problem with Hidden Settings 
> is they are ... Hidden :-).
>

For a reason. ... They have the ability to cause "strange behaviour" if 
used wrong. 

-m 

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[tw5] Re: HammerWidgets - Actions on Swipe, Pan, Press, Tap and Pinch

Hi, BTC

I noticed that text inside the target-div inside the swipe widget isn't 
selectable. Is there a work-around to this that I'm missing?

I'm thinking of creating a position:absolute height:100% width:100% view 
template with the swipe widget that will enable swipe-left to close 
tiddler, and swipe-right to edit tiddler, but I want to retain the ability 
to select text. Is this possible? 

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 9:29:16 PM UTC+9, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> ... and the Pinch widget is online, too
>
> some small changes may be made the next days on some widgets the next 
> days. nothing big - cleaning up and looking for errors
>
> BTC
>

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[tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes

PMario

VERY useful info! Who knew but you? :-) the problem with Hidden Settings is 
they are ... Hidden :-).

PMario wrote:
>
> There is a HiddenSetting 
> that
>  
> defaults to 400ms. ... That means: If you stop typing for longer than 400ms 
> the draft tiddler will be stored. .. which may trigger a refresh of the 
> visible tiddlers involved. Typing a new character will reset the timeout. 
>
> You can set it to 1 (= 10 seconds) or even higher. 
>

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

oh, yeah, that was pointed out in the official HammerWidgets page, too (the 
pointer events block). 

While I'm well inside the div, panning very slowly so the div keeps up, the 
iframe doesn't block the movement... which made me think of Surgery games 
and such which gave me the idea of the possibility of creating a game 
with this lol 

By the way, BTC... wait, maybe I'll post the rest of this thought over at 
the official thread--

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 9:17:25 PM UTC+9, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> @JD 
>
> I think the problem is the changing content or too many things changing 
> there within at the same time and missing handling in my widgets
> I'll have to figure out how to handle that, I'm sure there's a lot of 
> potential to tweak and correct stuff ... I hope I can make them better, 
> I'll see and report when something changes to the good side
> Maybe someone can point me to a solution for refreshing the widget when 
> its content changes, I'll have to search around how other widgets do it...
>
>
> I've looked at fab.tiddlyspot.com, have you seen that the editor blocks 
> the movement of the button?
> That's because the iframe somehow eats the pointer events. For this, the 
> pan widget automatically creates a tiddler $:/state/dragging at pan-start 
> and deletes it at pan-end
>
> it's enough to put this in a stylesheet :
>
> <$list filter="[[$:/state/dragging]!is[missing]]">
>
> iframe {
> pointer-events: none;
> }
>
> 
>
> ..maybe add !important if it doesn't work without
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 5:21:21 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I perceive the results-as-you-type thing as more of a toy -- not a 
> usability development.
>

You can change it. There is a HiddenSetting 
that

defaults to 400ms. ... That means: If you stop typing for longer than 400ms 
the draft tiddler will be stored. .. which may trigger a refresh of the 
visible tiddlers involved. Typing a new character will reset the timeout. 

You can set it to 1 (= 10 seconds) or even higher. 

> Not just TW, but anywhere it's used. It may make sense when it's attached 
> to  a powerful back-end server database, but not so much when you have a 
> local, non-indexed data source.
>

In the contrary. ... Every time a tiddler is saved, it will be synced with 
the backend. .. If the backend is connected with a slow connection, you 
don't want this behaviour at all. 

> In the case of TW, it interferes with usability particularly on small 
> devices. Re-rendering with each keystroke is another related problem that 
> affects all TW's performance. I can only assume most users are not touch 
> typists, have very powerful machines, have small TW's, or are using screen 
> keyboards.
>

As I wrote. You can change the parameter.  

Just my thoughts
-mario

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

Oh my, Bardy, looks like the theme tiddlers at 
http://emptymaterial.tiddlyspot.com/ are not in sync with each other. Do 
you mind going over the following steps? I just want to know the cause of 
the problem (which I see as the tiddler frame not filling the story river)

1. Go to filter search, copy+paste 
[prefix[$:/themes/jd/]]

2. Press the delete/trash button (confirm 6 tiddlers to be deleted)

3. Save, then refresh the window (this and the above steps are to delete 
all tiddlers created by Material theme)

4. From http://j.d.material.tiddlyspot.com/ drag either Material Theme *or* 
Material 
Theme + icons + HammerWidgets into the refreshed, vanilla-themed window 
(the draggable links look like tag pills now)

5. Save, then refresh the window.

The theme should properly set now... If not, please inform me. Thanks so 
much for the bug reports!

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 4:59:50 PM UTC+9, bardy wrote:
>
> hi, 
> as said here http://j.d.material.tiddlyspot.com/ :
> > Drag the following into your TW if you want to use it
>
> but after I drag them to https://tiddlywiki.com/empty.html
> I didn't get the same thing as http://j.d.material.tiddlyspot.com/
> see http://emptymaterial.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> there's some other unknown magic?
>
> maybe simple for advanced users, 
> but I'm not familiar with this system, it gave me many confusion and I 
> can't figure it out 
>
> seems that directly saving the whole site from 
> http://j.d.material.tiddlyspot.com/ 
> is the simplest way to use this theme
>
> I see your theme is rapidly getting better and better , 
> hopefully it'll be as simple as a drag to get the same effect
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: The Performance At Scale Bummer ... Initial Notes

How about a "don't do it till you click" button?

On Tuesday, 10 April 2018 07:12:22 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> Apropos results-as-you-type, I just (re-)stumbled over this, for anyone is 
> interested. Who knows, maybe it has some superior algorithm for big data 
> sets or some other useful aspect that we can use: Awesomplete 
> 
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

@JD

I think the problem is the changing content or too many things changing
there within at the same time and missing handling in my widgets
I'll have to figure out how to handle that, I'm sure there's a lot of
potential to tweak and correct stuff ... I hope I can make them better,
I'll see and report when something changes to the good side
Maybe someone can point me to a solution for refreshing the widget when its
content changes, I'll have to search around how other widgets do it...

I've looked at fab.tiddlyspot.com, have you seen that the editor blocks the
movement of the button?
That's because the iframe somehow eats the pointer events. For this, the
pan widget automatically creates a tiddler $:/state/dragging at pan-start
and deletes it at pan-end

then you can put this in a stylesheet :

<$list filter="[[$:/state/dragging]!is[missing]]">

iframe {
pointer-events: none;
}

..maybe add !important if it doesn't work without

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

Yeah, I think I'm hitting the same errors as you had. Maybe it's a problem 
with sandwiching widgets with each other? I tried both

<$swipe><$press> 

<$press><$swipe>

to no avail! Thanks for looking into it :)

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 8:55:40 PM UTC+9, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> @JD - I'm trying to get my idea of the moveable fab button to work. It's a 
> bit more complicated than I thought to be honest.
> I have to change some things in the widgets and see what works ... it's a 
> use-case I want to cover, so I want to make this work
>
> I'll let you know when I have a fully working example
>
>
> BTC
>

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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

Hey BTC, over at http://j.d.fab.tiddlyspot.com/ I'm also getting the 
pan-end errors, have you discovered the root of this? the moving FAB is 
really really cool! I'm thinking of creating a floating sticky note with 
this xD

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 1:52:17 AM UTC+9, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> @JD ... I tried my idea with the moveable button - an error happened that 
>> should now be solved with an update on the pan widget - set $refresh="no" 
>> in <$pan ...>
>>
>> also, my css was wrong, it should be position: fixed;
>>
>>
>> My FAB button is moving all over the screen now, pretty cool
>> The secondary buttons though are still on their place - I'm still using 
>> your previous fab buttons, without the swipe
>>
>> No the error isn't solved, unlucky try
>
> If you're trying and you get an error at pan-end, I think there are other 
> ways to do it
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Re: [tw5] Announcing Apps Folder access

2018-04-10 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Thanks Miroslav, I’ll post an update to the prerelease shortly

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 9 Apr 2018, at 18:15, Miroslav Kalous  wrote:
> 
> Just wanted to point the the fact that tiddlywiki.com 
>  links (here 
> ) to the 
> older version of Arlen's TW5 in the Sky. So if this reads anyone able to 
> change that, it'd be great to point users to the newer version: 
> https://twcloud.github.io/tw5-dropbox/ 
> .
> 
> Btw as of today this newer version also supports autosave! Thanks to Arlen.
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 5:34:32 AM UTC+2, Arlen Beiler wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Over the weekend, as you know, I upgraded 
> https://twcloud.github.io/tw5-dropbox/ 
>  to the new Dropbox API. I also took 
> the opportunity to add apps folder access, since it involved about 4 extra 
> lines of code (and a little UI). 
> 
> So now when you go to the link above, it will ask you which one you want. If 
> you already were using TW5 in the Sky, just click Full Dropbox Access, and 
> you get it the same as always. If you want to only give the app access to its 
> own folder in Dropbox, click Apps Folder Access.
> 
> The buttons are just styled hyperlinks, so you can drag them directly to your 
> bookmarks bar if you always want to go straight to one or the other. 
> 
> The Dropbox stats page shows that some people have already noticed, but since 
> this has been a requested feature, I thought I would announce it to let 
> everyone know. 
> 
> Unfortunately, TWC is not supported. You may be able to TWC files, but won't 
> be able to save them. Pull requests or Issues with instructions on what needs 
> to be done are definitely welcome. 
> 
> So here's the link again: https://twcloud.github.io/tw5-dropbox/ 
> 
> 
> And here's the Github repo: https://github.com/twcloud/tw5-dropbox 
> 
> 
> Enjoy,
> Arlen
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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

@JD - I'm trying to get my idea of the moveable fab button to work. It's a 
bit more complicated than I thought to be honest.
I have to change some things in the widgets and see what works ... it's a 
use-case I want to cover, so I want to make this work

I'll let you know when I have a fully working example


BTC

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[tw5] Re: [OT] Card Design

Its now 280 for most languages. 

For pictographic languages like Japanese it stays at 140 because they are 
very compact means of written expression.

Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
> Twitter… Invariable length… Correct me if I'm wrong but the "invariable 
> length" used to be 140 and now is 280 characters? ;)
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[tw5] Re: [OT] Card Design

2018-04-10 Thread Stephan Hradek

Twitter… Invariable length… Correct me if I'm wrong but the "invariable 
length" used to be 140 and now is 280 characters? ;)

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[tw5] Re: [OT] Card Design

Thomas & all ...

Thomas Elmiger wrote:Pitfalls of Card UIs - daverupert.com 
> https://daverupert.com/2018/04/pitfalls-of-card-uis/ 
>
> Many Wikis I know use the cards metaphor and as a TW user and/or designer 
> you might know some of the problems the author describes. 
>

That is a really interesting article on the Up and Downsides of adopting a 
visual metaphor of "the Card". It reflects some of the issues that came up 
in Is TiddlyWiki A Card Index System? 

One of the things that stands out is that designers often use the "Card" 
(ideally "cards" of equal size and proportion) to handle "discrete chunks", 
*only 
to find that the chunks are not that discrete* ... so add on linkage, or 
distort card sizes to be unequal.

I think its definitely the case that the "Card Index" metaphor has great 
appeal, both logistically and visually, but I think its equally important 
to see how often it is quickly breached. And when its breached, visually it 
doesn't really work so well. 

The question when its WHEN is its usage is really of benefit?

To give an example of usage that makes sense: Say you were Tweeting via 
TiddlyWiki ... well that does makes sense because every Tweet IS an 
inherent fragment of an absolute determined, invariable available length 
(280 characters). The question of linkage to an expansion of the Tweet does 
not arise. And there is a clear conceptual division between what the Tweet 
natively is and anything it references / links to. 

Not much is so tight as Twitter natively is. Mostly "Cards" tend to end up 
invoking "pages". Perhaps an exception is when the "card" is centrally an 
IMAGE. There the heft of the visual meaning subsides enough to resist 
clicking through to the next level?

Just thoughts
Josiah

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Re: [tw5] Preparing for v5.1.16

2018-04-10 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Thanks Ton, the update is now committed and available on the prerelease.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 8 Apr 2018, at 11:25, Ton Gerner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeremy,
> 
> I updated the Dutch translation to the latest prerelease.
> You can find it at http://tw5dutch.tiddlyspot.com/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ton
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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

@bardy - if you ask me, the look on your emptymaterial page is exactly the 
look from the material page

after dragging the links to your wiki, you need to SAVE and RELOAD to see 
the changes

Simon

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[tw5] [tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

2018-04-10 Thread ruby

hi, 
as said here http://j.d.material.tiddlyspot.com/ :> Drag the following into 
your TW if you want to use it

but after I drag them to https://tiddlywiki.com/empty.html
I didn't get the same thing as http://j.d.material.tiddlyspot.com/
see http://emptymaterial.tiddlyspot.com/

there's some other unknown magic?

maybe simple for advanced users, 
but I'm not familiar with this system, it gave me many confusion and I can't 
figure it out 

seems that directly saving the whole site from 
http://j.d.material.tiddlyspot.com/ 
is the simplest way to use this theme

I see your theme is rapidly getting better and better , 
hopefully it'll be as simple as a drag to get the same effect


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[tw5] Re: [TW5] "Muuri-Touch" plugin


>
> I've recently discovered TW5, and I'm excited about all the things it can 
> do.  I'd like to try the Muuri Alpha, but I can't find the plugin on the 
> page.
>
>
> Hi Morgaine , and welcome :)

you can find the plugin on http://tiddlytouch.tiddlyspot.com
I hope it works for you ... I'm planning to make an update in the future

muritest.tiddlyspot.com is sort of a demo - page 

Simon

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[tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?