Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

For me, troubleshooting a problem with a link is a huge advantage of AE. You could just do a splitter at the cabinet with PON and get a lot of the same advantages - then the only advantage PON has is power usage though. On Wednesday, August 29, 2018, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Not mentioned, but the o

Re: [AFMUG] OT another totally off subject question

I hear hemlock is also good and long lasting for trailer decking. Not sure how available that is for you out there. Plentiful here in NY. Thank You, Brian Webster From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Mi

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Gophers here will find a plow rip and use it for their freeways and rest stops. They will chew clear through fiber in their gopher urban areas. (Generally out in the middle of nowhere) Conduit makes their jaw geometry not works so well. From: Chris Fabien Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018

Re: [AFMUG] OT another totally off subject question

We bought direct from a local sawmill when we needed to redo a trailer. They commonly mill true 2" thick oak or ash for trailer decking. I think it was around $700 to do a 25x8.5 trailer. Appropriate thickness will be determined by the equipment and the crossmember spacing on the trailer. On Wed,

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

We also have to run 36" deep. We do have pretty favorable soil for plowing in most cases, only occasional rocks and the plow can usually pull them up. Usually sandy soil which plows great, sometimes clay which can be slow going but still plows OK. We never pre-rip. We don't have goohers, do have g

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Getting the snow off the top with a shovel, sure. Extracting the fiber and splice case from a 2x3x2ft block of solid ice without damaging them... You'll need a big, heated Hydrovac. Some vaults are located higher up and dry, but chances are that anything that fails due to cold would be the ice-vaul

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

How deep? From: Chris Fabien Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 7:01 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber Chuck, we direct bury in rural areas. My cost for plowing is more like <50 cents per foot with our in house crew, figuring 2000ft per day. On Wed,

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Just the duct. 72 strand is about 50 cents per foot. 144 is closer to a buck. 144 tends to be the smallest size I want to use. From: Jon Langeler Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 7:04 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber .30/ft for conduit or fibe

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

And you must not have gophers... From: Chris Fabien Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 7:01 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber Chuck, we direct bury in rural areas. My cost for plowing is more like <50 cents per foot with our in house crew, figuring 2000

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

I have to go minimum 3’ in state ROWs and much of the time is is hard rocky ground requiring pre-ripping. Soft farm ground at 24 inches would go much faster. From: Chris Fabien Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 7:01 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

.30/ft for conduit or fiber...both? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 29, 2018, at 8:50 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Do you use direct burial? > > I do conduit. > 30 cents per foot minimum. Add at least $2/foot for plowing. All in, maybe > $3/foot and that is if I am doing

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

I guess I don’t understand construction in the great white north. Why would you have to vacuum excavate and unfreeze a handhole? Cannot you just shovel the snow off of it? From: Colin Stanners Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:59 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Chuck, we direct bury in rural areas. My cost for plowing is more like <50 cents per foot with our in house crew, figuring 2000ft per day. On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 8:51 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > Do you use direct burial? > > I do conduit. > 30 cents per foot minimum. Add at least $2/foot for plowin

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

In standard vaults; although rated for such I could never imagine direct-burying a splice case. On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 7:56 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > Are the splice cases in hand holes or bured? > > *From:* Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:51 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave U

[AFMUG] OT another totally off subject question

Need to redeck the wood on my lowboy trailer. My HDD almost fell through it last night. Was thinking of using pressure treated soft wood. Love to find some oak. But I see that there is a wood called apitong that many swear by. Soft wood might be too weak. Not sure what was there origi

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Are the splice cases in hand holes or bured? From: Colin Stanners Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:51 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber We're going to put these in splice cases that would cost easily thousands of dollars to hydrovac-unfreeze and rep

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

optical split tap? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 29, 2018, at 8:42 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: > > We have done 3 cabinets with cheapo AE (planet switches) and two sites with > cheapo GPON(ZTE). We will be continuing to deploy GPON going forward. > > For us, the biggest adv

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

We're going to put these in splice cases that would cost easily thousands of dollars to hydrovac-unfreeze and replace if a single splitter failed in -40 degree winter... now Fiberstore SFPs are great but tell me, in the above case would you put a $11 FS Splitter or a $60 huge-name-brand splitter?

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Do you use direct burial? I do conduit. 30 cents per foot minimum. Add at least $2/foot for plowing. All in, maybe $3/foot and that is if I am doing my own plowing and splicing. From: Chris Fabien Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:42 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

We have done 3 cabinets with cheapo AE (planet switches) and two sites with cheapo GPON(ZTE). We will be continuing to deploy GPON going forward. For us, the biggest advantage are ability to use small strand count cable which saves cost on material and also lets you serve a larger radius from a c

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti UfiberI have cabinets full of splitters. Maybe 10 splitters in one cross box all full. From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 2:45 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber Chuck, Nothing wrong with splitter

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti UfiberSo, what is the cost per customer for a 16:1 PON system for the electronics? From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 2:34 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber Chuck, My 0.02 First of all we would hav

Re: [AFMUG] Customers wont stop texting personal cell

I've got a number but I haven't opted in customers or got anything moving yet. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:03 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Josh are you using Twilio? I am thinking about integrating it

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber Chuck, Nothing wrong with splitters.  You will have to do some extra design work with the splitters.  Also, there is the waste factor.  We design to the property not the customer, so it is very rare we get a full 32 customers on a 1x32 splitter. -- Best regar

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

I have one in the lab. Decided I need an all in one CPE like the 844G and that the features I need weren't there yet. Generally don't have the time to be a free tester so I figured I'd wait till it is ready. Based on UBNTs past performance, it will eventually get there but last time I played wit

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Not mentioned, but the other HUGE advantage of AE is that you're able to use a huge variety of equipment. The amount of stuff out there that you can do AE with vs GPON is like a 90:1 ratio. I have an AE setup using a datacenter-grade Arista 7148 capable of 1/10GbE to the customer and it was a very

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber Colin, $60.00? FS.com 1x16 PLC bare fiber $11.00 -- Best regards, Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com -- Wednesday, August 29, 2018, 3:18:14 PM, you wrote: ActiveEthernet: Property

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

I do not have one, but somebody who does says that their SNMP daemon is still snmpv1 only (not v2c), so they're basically useless if you want to poll it for interface metrics. This is because SNMPv1 is ancient and doesn't support 64-bit counters. If this has been fixed in a recent firmware update t

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber Chuck, My 0.02 First of all we would have to determine what type of AE we are talking about.  Are we talking a managed system like calix, zhone, etc with AE cards in them using their respective OLT's? Or, are we talking about the DIY stacking 48 port switches

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

I’m going to use it for a small MDU five building project here next month or so. I’m active Ethernet at the cabinet, but this is in-between cabinets and I don’t want to pull more fiber, so I’m using GPON instead. We’ll see how it goes. From: AF On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] Sent: Wednes

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

My understanding is that no new electrical drops are allowed in RoWs in our area, so if you want anything that takes power like a cabinet, you need to buy/subdivide/etc land. Using a customer's home is a risk on wireless (when they move out and the new person thinks you're rich and they are entit

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Electricity\heat\battery scale. A 1U box can run several hundred GPON customers while consuming probably less than 75 watts. Can't do that with Active E. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - F

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

I can generally get a building permit to use a public utility ROW or the side of a street for almost free. Perhaps use a customers home for everything in exchange for service etc. I agree, for 30 PON is a good way to go. But I like the simplicity of AE, the fact that I can cast shade on PON

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

ActiveEthernet: Property acquisition for the land, legal fees, concrete pad, electrical install, cabinet, UPS, heating/cooling, fiber switch is probably $10,000 - 15,000 including cost of time. When we're busy I'm not sure that it would be worth doing for only 30 homes. PON: two 1x16 fiber splitte

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

If you have one strand going out there, you hang a switch and give all 30 homes active E. Each home needs a drop. So you have to connect the drop to either a splitter or an SFP. With AE you will have to power the switch but then you have no shared bandwidth, it has market cache vs shared

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

That's the main reason, and it branches into upgradeability. If a new 30-house subdivision appears in a field a few miles from your headend, and you have a spare 10 strands going out there, you only need to use 2-3 strands instead of running new 48-strand cable the whole way. On Wed, Aug 29, 2018

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

So, other than the obvious strand count advantages, why would you use this vs active ethernet? From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:04 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber It works fine. We have it in 2 subdivisions. It is b

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

All good points. I am using UNMS to monitor it currently but am looking at other options. Jim Bouse Owner - Brazos WiFi 979-985-5912 http://www.brazoswifi.com From: AF On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:45 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] SBS 2011 to Winows Server 2016 migration

We did over conversion about a year ago. It went pretty smoothly but plan it out. Rory From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 7:14 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SBS 2011 to Winows Server 2016 migratio

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

It works fine. We have it in 2 subdivisions. It is brain dead simple to configure. Since it “Just Works” there isn’t a lot to configure. The ONU (cpe) can run in bridge or router mode. I’m not sure what the routing/NAT speeds are capable of but it will do 1G in bridge mode without breaking a s

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Looks like firmware 3.0 came out yesterday: [image: unnamed.jpg] On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:46 AM Colin Stanners wrote: > We've been investigating Ufiber as an option for our fiber GPON > deployments. Hardware seems good, firmware has a long ways to go - from > what we've seen, the CPEs don't ha

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

We've been investigating Ufiber as an option for our fiber GPON deployments. Hardware seems good, firmware has a long ways to go - from what we've seen, the CPEs don't have WAN-accessible IPs (except for the in the undesirable NAT mode) nor support SNMP management yet, so we have to consider them

[AFMUG] Sign the Wall of WISPs at WISPAPALOOZA

When you are at WISPAPALOOZA, be sure to stop by the Cambium Networks booth #635 and add your WISPs name to our booth. You must be wearing the 2018 WISPAPALOOZA T-Shirt to sign the booth, and you can get the free shirt at our Open House on Monday, October 08 at 5:30pm. REGISTER HERE FOR THE OPEN

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

There's been a discussion over the last couple of days on the Facebook Group WISPs turned FISPs https://www.facebook.com/groups/fispstuff/ On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > Does anyone actually have this equipment in a production environme

Re: [AFMUG] Customers wont stop texting personal cell

Great movie. On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:15 PM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 8/29/18 10:03 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > > On 8/29/18 9:47 AM, James Howard wrote: > >> Lol. I was actually responding to David who said at one time half the > >> county had his number and called it regularly. In that case,

[AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Does anyone actually have this equipment in a production environment? I have a test setup, just haven't heard much discussion about it so I thought I'd check with the group. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Customers wont stop texting personal cell

On 8/29/18 10:03 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 8/29/18 9:47 AM, James Howard wrote: Lol. I was actually responding to David who said at one time half the county had his number and called it regularly.  In that case, why not make use of that fact and have that number on your office phone system?

Re: [AFMUG] Customers wont stop texting personal cell

On 8/29/18 9:47 AM, James Howard wrote: Lol. I was actually responding to David who said at one time half the county had his number and called it regularly.  In that case, why not make use of that fact and have that number on your office phone system? It's a line from a movie. -- AF mailin

Re: [AFMUG] Customers wont stop texting personal cell

Lol. I was actually responding to David who said at one time half the county had his number and called it regularly. In that case, why not make use of that fact and have that number on your office phone system? From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Wednesda

Re: [AFMUG] CAF Phase II

I've made some KMZs and posted them in the respective state FB groups (IL and IN so far). I colored them by winner and substituted their DBA when I didn't recognize the corporate name. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -

Re: [AFMUG] CAF Phase II

FCC has a map: https://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/maps/caf2-auction903-results/ (https://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/maps/caf2-auction903-results/) August 28, 2018 7:18 PM, "Jason McKemie" mailto:%22Jason%20McKemie%22%20)> wrote: Thanks. Maybe I'm getting number overload here. Is there a way

Re: [AFMUG] Customers wont stop texting personal cell

On 8/29/18 8:27 AM, James Howard wrote: Why wouldn’t you get a different cell number and port your old cell number over to your office? Why should I change? They're the ones who suck. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Customers wont stop texting personal cell

Why wouldn't you get a different cell number and port your old cell number over to your office? From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Hannum Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 8:17 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers wont stop texting personal cell At one t

Re: [AFMUG] SBS 2011 to Winows Server 2016 migration

We can assist you if you wish .. please contact us. Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless

[AFMUG] SBS 2011 to Winows Server 2016 migration

Hi, We are migrating from SBS server 2011 to Windows Server 2016 Essentials on completely new hardware. We have already moved our on premises exchange to office 365 so that part is out of the way. There's a lot of confusing guides with some conflicting information on how to go about moving AD

Re: [AFMUG] ups

I have a 8 year old SMX1500 that had 3 external battery packs that was in a very cool basement always around 72 degrees and the batterys were 8 years old and still working good. Its all about heat. On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 2:22 PM wrote: > Over 80F. > Think of those batteries like house plants.

Re: [AFMUG] Customers wont stop texting personal cell

One other thing - I use Google Voice - it's free - and you can dial a number on it. Google Voice will then call your cell number and then call the customer so the customer only ever sees the Google Voice number for you. You can text over it too. I NEVER answer a Google Voice call . . . VM only

Re: [AFMUG] Customers wont stop texting personal cell

At one time, half of Meigs County Ohio had my cell number - made the mistake of putting it on my business cards. Everyone thought they had a Bat phone - had to stop taking calls. I put a message on there that directed folks to our office number if they had issues. If they had a personal message,

Re: [AFMUG] Customers wont stop texting personal cell

Josh are you using Twilio? I am thinking about integrating it with my powercode billing server myself On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 2:42 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > Powercode uses Twilio for SMS. I don't see why you should avoid it, it's > another medium to connect with customers. > > As far as customer

Re: [AFMUG] CAF Phase II

I'm also confused -- because looking at the winners... in some areas there are two that appear to have gotten money for the same area. On 8/28/18 10:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Thanks. Maybe I'm getting number overload here.  Is there a way to bulk map these? On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 8:55 PM B