subject:"\[AFMUG\] Spam from Chuck"

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-19 Thread SmarterBroadband

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I could use some help, if you're $free.  ;-)

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From: "SmarterBroadband" <li...@sbb.net <mailto:li...@sbb.net> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 12:28:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

No I mean I am free in June….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am thinking of free.  Freeish.  

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:26 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Free…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

May or June?

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:09 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 
venue.  

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one.  

I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going to 
happen.  

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com 
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:

Chuck,  

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just play 
around with some stuff? 

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.  

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some powder 
days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 

-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solu

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-19 Thread chuck

Well, we have laws in Utah about charging for it...

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 11:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I could use some help, if you're $free.  ;-)

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "SmarterBroadband" <li...@sbb.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 12:28:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

No I mean I am free in June….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am thinking of free.  Freeish.  

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:26 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Free…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

May or June?

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:09 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 
venue.  

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one.  

I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going to 
happen.  

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

  Chuck,  

  I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just 
play around with some stuff? 

  TJ

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.  

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
  shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

  Chuck McCown wrote:
  > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
  > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
  > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
  > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
  > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss tech

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-19 Thread chuck

I suppose it is not too early to start picking some dates.

From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 11:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

No I mean I am free in June….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am thinking of free.  Freeish.  

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:26 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Free…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

May or June?

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:09 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 
venue.  

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one.  

I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going to 
happen.  

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

  Chuck,  

  I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just 
play around with some stuff? 

  TJ

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.  

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
  shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

  Chuck McCown wrote:
  > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
  > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
  > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
  > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
  > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
  > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
  > *From:* TJ Trout
  > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  > Chuck,
  > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and o

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-19 Thread Mike Hammett

I could use some help, if you're $free. ;-) 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "SmarterBroadband" <li...@sbb.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 12:28:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

No I mean I am free in June…. 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:32 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

I am thinking of free. Freeish. 

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:26 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

Free….. 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:21 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

May or June? 

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:09 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

I will be there (as long as dates are free)….. 
Adam 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM 
To: af < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 
venue. 

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one. 

I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going to 
happen. 

All but the home page. 

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end. 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM 

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting. The WISPA conferences aren't really set up well 
to handle this type of thing. 

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas. The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting topics 
to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space and a 
time. For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on the 
agenda. For larger groups, you of course need more space since there tends to 
be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the agenda. In the 
latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading it in the space 
they've claimed in the timeslot assigned. 

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process). 

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 

Chuck, 

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just play 
around with some stuff? 

TJ 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 

Red Iguana 

We could do it kinda like it started. 

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up. 

Not sure what Wispa would think about that... 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some powder 
days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

From: "Jay Weekley" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year. 

Chuck McCown wrote: 
> It can be done. We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
> down. But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica. 
> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other... 
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track. Same format as before. 
> Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And I 
> don’t have to do much other than MC the event. 
> *From:* TJ Trout 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM 
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 
> Chuck, 
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
> unpalatable parts of planning? 
> Obviously the cost would go up per person?

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-19 Thread SmarterBroadband

No I mean I am free in June….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am thinking of free.  Freeish.  

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:26 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Free…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

May or June?

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:09 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 
venue.  

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one.  

I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going to 
happen.  

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com 
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:

Chuck,  

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just play 
around with some stuff? 

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.  

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some powder 
days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 

-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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  _  

From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
> think that AF as its own show may cut attend

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-19 Thread Jaime Solorza

Kopacetic Kool Kat ...yeah

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 18, 2018 9:16 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Would be cool if jaime did some beatnik jazz type spoken word performance
> of it... that effin hippy
>
> On Feb 18, 2018 10:49 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Yep
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:31 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> Didn't we (Chuck?) reverse-acronym AFMUG to be Advanced Fiber and
>> Microwave Users Group?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 2/18/2018 7:31 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>>> What poem was that? I think I remember some kind of poem that was put
>>> needle point and framed and given to someone.
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, your poetry was read at one AnimalFarm...  you are a bit of a
>>>> celebrity.
>>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:07 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>> Not that id show up, or ever did, but it seems the history of animal
>>>> farm allowed alot of people to get their tip wet in the industry. The
>>>> industry has changed, fiber is the new canopy. Why dont you guys turn this
>>>> thing fiber centric? Animal farm 2.0 or 3.14 because only geeks go to stuff
>>>> like that. Have a glass bakeoff. Enough of you are EE eggheads enough to
>>>> build out an overpowered fiber laser array to poke fibers into a hog and
>>>> green light roast it from the inside.
>>>> Just sayin, thats what id like to see pictures from
>>>> On Feb 16, 2018 4:55 PM, "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We’d be interested in that as well.
>>>>
>>>> David Coudron
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
>>>>     *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>>
>>>> Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93
>>>>
>>>> On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some
>>>> construction machinery.
>>>>
>>>> *From:*CBB - Jay Fuller
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM
>>>>
>>>> *To:*af@afmug.com
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>>
>>>> sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei
>>>> like
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>
>>>> *From:*SmarterBroadband
>>>>
>>>> *To:*af@afmug.com
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>>
>>>> I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
>>>> *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
>>>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to
>>>> justify the fairpark venue.
>>>>
>>>> I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we
>>>> held the first one.
>>>>
>>>> I have modified the afmug.com <http://afmug.com> page a
>>>> bit reflecting that something is going to happen.
>>>>
>>>> All but the home page.
>>>>
>>>> I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM
>>>>
>>>> *To:*af

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-18 Thread Steve Jones

Would be cool if jaime did some beatnik jazz type spoken word performance
of it... that effin hippy

On Feb 18, 2018 10:49 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Yep
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:31 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> Didn't we (Chuck?) reverse-acronym AFMUG to be Advanced Fiber and
> Microwave Users Group?
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 2/18/2018 7:31 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
>> What poem was that? I think I remember some kind of poem that was put
>> needle point and framed and given to someone.
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> Well, your poetry was read at one AnimalFarm...  you are a bit of a
>>> celebrity.
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:07 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> Not that id show up, or ever did, but it seems the history of animal
>>> farm allowed alot of people to get their tip wet in the industry. The
>>> industry has changed, fiber is the new canopy. Why dont you guys turn this
>>> thing fiber centric? Animal farm 2.0 or 3.14 because only geeks go to stuff
>>> like that. Have a glass bakeoff. Enough of you are EE eggheads enough to
>>> build out an overpowered fiber laser array to poke fibers into a hog and
>>> green light roast it from the inside.
>>> Just sayin, thats what id like to see pictures from
>>> On Feb 16, 2018 4:55 PM, "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We’d be interested in that as well.
>>>
>>> David Coudron
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93
>>>
>>> On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some
>>> construction machinery.
>>>
>>> *From:*CBB - Jay Fuller
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM
>>>
>>> *To:*af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei
>>> like
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>>
>>>     *From:*SmarterBroadband
>>>
>>> *To:*af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
>>> *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
>>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to
>>> justify the fairpark venue.
>>>
>>> I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we
>>> held the first one.
>>>
>>> I have modified the afmug.com <http://afmug.com> page a
>>> bit reflecting that something is going to happen.
>>>
>>> All but the home page.
>>>
>>> I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.
>>>
>>> *From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM
>>>
>>> *To:*af
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open
>>> space conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The
>>> WISPA conferences aren't really set up well to handle this
>>> type of thing.
>>>
>>> Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and
>>> then breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-18 Thread Chuck McCown

Yep

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Didn't we (Chuck?) reverse-acronym AFMUG to be Advanced Fiber and
Microwave Users Group?

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/18/2018 7:31 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
What poem was that? I think I remember some kind of poem that was put 
needle point and framed and given to someone.

Chuck McCown wrote:
Well, your poetry was read at one AnimalFarm...  you are a bit of a 
celebrity.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
Not that id show up, or ever did, but it seems the history of animal farm 
allowed alot of people to get their tip wet in the industry. The industry 
has changed, fiber is the new canopy. Why dont you guys turn this thing 
fiber centric? Animal farm 2.0 or 3.14 because only geeks go to stuff 
like that. Have a glass bakeoff. Enough of you are EE eggheads enough to 
build out an overpowered fiber laser array to poke fibers into a hog and 
green light roast it from the inside.

Just sayin, thats what id like to see pictures from
On Feb 16, 2018 4:55 PM, "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com> 
wrote:

We’d be interested in that as well.

David Coudron

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93

On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some
construction machinery.

*From:*CBB - Jay Fuller

*Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei 
like

- Original Message -

*From:*SmarterBroadband

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
*To:* af <af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to
justify the fairpark venue.

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we
held the first one.

I have modified the afmug.com <http://afmug.com> page a
bit reflecting that something is going to happen.

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.

*From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

*To:*af

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open
space conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The
WISPA conferences aren't really set up well to handle this
type of thing.

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and
then breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are
people standing up and suggesting topics to discuss, and
putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works
where you claim time on the agenda.   For larger groups,
you of course need more space since there tends to be more
things people want to discuss than there is time on the
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the
topic ends up leading it in the space they've claimed in
the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere
in Utah for something like this  I also wouldn't mind
taking the leadership role during the initial 20 minutes
to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a
self-organizing process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com>
wrote:

Chuck,

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no
real firm plan, just play around with some stuff?

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.

P

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-18 Thread Bill Prince

Didn't we (Chuck?) reverse-acronym AFMUG to be Advanced Fiber and 
Microwave Users Group?



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/18/2018 7:31 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
What poem was that? I think I remember some kind of poem that was put 
needle point and framed and given to someone.


Chuck McCown wrote:
Well, your poetry was read at one AnimalFarm...  you are a bit of a 
celebrity.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
Not that id show up, or ever did, but it seems the history of animal 
farm allowed alot of people to get their tip wet in the industry. The 
industry has changed, fiber is the new canopy. Why dont you guys turn 
this thing fiber centric? Animal farm 2.0 or 3.14 because only geeks 
go to stuff like that. Have a glass bakeoff. Enough of you are EE 
eggheads enough to build out an overpowered fiber laser array to poke 
fibers into a hog and green light roast it from the inside.

Just sayin, thats what id like to see pictures from
On Feb 16, 2018 4:55 PM, "David Coudron" 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:


    We’d be interested in that as well.

    David Coudron

    *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
    *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

    Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93

    On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

    With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some
    construction machinery.

    *From:*CBB - Jay Fuller

    *Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM

    *To:*af@afmug.com

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

    sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei 
like


    - Original Message -

    *From:*SmarterBroadband

    *To:*af@afmug.com

    *Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

    I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

    Adam

    *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
    *ch...@wbmfg.com
    *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
    *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

    I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to
    justify the fairpark venue.

    I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we
    held the first one.

    I have modified the afmug.com <http://afmug.com> page a
    bit reflecting that something is going to happen.

    All but the home page.

    I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.

    *From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)

    *Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

    *To:*af

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

    I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open
    space conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The
    WISPA conferences aren't really set up well to handle this
    type of thing.

    Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and
    then breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are
    people standing up and suggesting topics to discuss, and
    putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space
    and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works
    where you claim time on the agenda.   For larger groups,
    you of course need more space since there tends to be more
    things people want to discuss than there is time on the
    agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the
    topic ends up leading it in the space they've claimed in
    the timeslot assigned.

    I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere
    in Utah for something like this  I also wouldn't mind
    taking the leadership role during the initial 20 minutes
    to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done
    correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a
    self-organizing process).

    On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com>
    wrote:

    Chuck,

    I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no
    real firm plan, just play around with some stuff?

    TJ

    On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown
    <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

    Red Iguana

    We could do it kinda like it started.

    Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel
    conference room and whoever shows up shows up.

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-18 Thread Jay Weekley

What poem was that? I think I remember some kind of poem that was put 
needle point and framed and given to someone.


Chuck McCown wrote:
Well, your poetry was read at one AnimalFarm...  you are a bit of a 
celebrity.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
Not that id show up, or ever did, but it seems the history of animal 
farm allowed alot of people to get their tip wet in the industry. The 
industry has changed, fiber is the new canopy. Why dont you guys turn 
this thing fiber centric? Animal farm 2.0 or 3.14 because only geeks 
go to stuff like that. Have a glass bakeoff. Enough of you are EE 
eggheads enough to build out an overpowered fiber laser array to poke 
fibers into a hog and green light roast it from the inside.

Just sayin, thats what id like to see pictures from
On Feb 16, 2018 4:55 PM, "David Coudron" 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:


We’d be interested in that as well.

David Coudron

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93

On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some
construction machinery.

*From:*CBB - Jay Fuller

*Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like

- Original Message -

*From:*SmarterBroadband

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
*To:* af <af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to
justify the fairpark venue.

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we
held the first one.

I have modified the afmug.com <http://afmug.com> page a
bit reflecting that something is going to happen.

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.

*From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

*To:*af

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open
space conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The
WISPA conferences aren't really set up well to handle this
type of thing.

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and
then breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are
people standing up and suggesting topics to discuss, and
putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works
where you claim time on the agenda.   For larger groups,
you of course need more space since there tends to be more
things people want to discuss than there is time on the
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the
topic ends up leading it in the space they've claimed in
the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere
in Utah for something like this  I also wouldn't mind
taking the leadership role during the initial 20 minutes
to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a
self-organizing process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com>
wrote:

Chuck,

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no
real firm plan, just play around with some stuff?

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel
conference room and whoever shows up shows up.

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

*From:*Cameron Crum

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

*To:*af@afm

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-17 Thread Chuck McCown

Well, your poetry was read at one AnimalFarm...  you are a bit of a celebrity.

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Not that id show up, or ever did, but it seems the history of animal farm 
allowed alot of people to get their tip wet in the industry. The industry has 
changed, fiber is the new canopy. Why dont you guys turn this thing fiber 
centric? Animal farm 2.0 or 3.14 because only geeks go to stuff like that. Have 
a glass bakeoff. Enough of you are EE eggheads enough to build out an 
overpowered fiber laser array to poke fibers into a hog and green light roast 
it from the inside. 
Just sayin, thats what id like to see pictures from

On Feb 16, 2018 4:55 PM, "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:

  We’d be interested in that as well.

  David Coudron

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
  Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93

  On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some construction 
machinery.

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like

  - Original Message - 

  From: SmarterBroadband 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

  Adam

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
  To: af <af@afmug.com>
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the 
fairpark venue.  

  I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first 
one.  

  I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is 
going to happen.  

  All but the home page.

  I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

  Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

  To: af 

      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space 
conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't 
really set up well to handle this type of thing. 

  Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

  I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for 
something like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during 
the initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if 
done correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

  On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

Chuck,  

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, 
just play around with some stuff? 

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Red Iguana

  We could do it kinda like it started.  

  Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and 
whoever shows up shows up.  

  Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

  From: Cameron Crum 

  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> 
wrote:

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 201

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-16 Thread Jay Weekley

We could take turns on the boring machine and play a game of utility 
shootout.  Third place is a water line, second place is communications 
and first place is a gas line.  Kind of like darts but with the 
possibility of explosions.


Steve Jones wrote:
Not that id show up, or ever did, but it seems the history of animal 
farm allowed alot of people to get their tip wet in the industry. The 
industry has changed, fiber is the new canopy. Why dont you guys turn 
this thing fiber centric? Animal farm 2.0 or 3.14 because only geeks 
go to stuff like that. Have a glass bakeoff. Enough of you are EE 
eggheads enough to build out an overpowered fiber laser array to poke 
fibers into a hog and green light roast it from the inside.

Just sayin, thats what id like to see pictures from


On Feb 16, 2018 4:55 PM, "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com 
<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:


We’d be interested in that as well.

David Coudron

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Dave
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93

On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:

With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some
construction machinery.

*From:*CBB - Jay Fuller

*Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like

- Original Message -

*From:*SmarterBroadband

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
*To:* af <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to
justify the fairpark venue.

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we
held the first one.

I have modified the afmug.com <http://afmug.com> page a
bit reflecting that something is going to happen.

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.

*From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

*To:*af

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open
space conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The
WISPA conferences aren't really set up well to handle this
type of thing.

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and
then breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are
people standing up and suggesting topics to discuss, and
putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space
and a time. For smaller groups, a single room works where
you claim time on the agenda.   For larger groups, you of
course need more space since there tends to be more things
people want to discuss than there is time on the agenda.  
In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends

up leading it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot
assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere
in Utah for something like this  I also wouldn't mind
taking the leadership role during the initial 20 minutes
to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a
self-organizing process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

Chuck,

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no
real firm plan, just play around with some stuff?

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel
confe

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-16 Thread Steve Jones

Not that id show up, or ever did, but it seems the history of animal farm
allowed alot of people to get their tip wet in the industry. The industry
has changed, fiber is the new canopy. Why dont you guys turn this thing
fiber centric? Animal farm 2.0 or 3.14 because only geeks go to stuff like
that. Have a glass bakeoff. Enough of you are EE eggheads enough to build
out an overpowered fiber laser array to poke fibers into a hog and green
light roast it from the inside.
Just sayin, thats what id like to see pictures from


On Feb 16, 2018 4:55 PM, "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
wrote:

> We’d be interested in that as well.
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93
>
> On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some construction
> machinery.
>
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
> sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the
> fairpark venue.
>
> I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first
> one.
>
> I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is
> going to happen.
>
>
>
> All but the home page.
>
> I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.
>
>
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM
>
> *To:* af
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space
> conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences
> aren't really set up well to handle this type of thing.
>
>
>
> Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout
> rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting
> topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a
> space and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim
> time on the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space
> since there tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is
> time on the agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic
> ends up leading it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.
>
>
>
> I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for
> something like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role
> during the initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process
> (which if done correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a
> self-organizing process).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
>
>
> I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just
> play around with some stuff?
>
>
>
> TJ
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Red Iguana
>
>
>
> We could do it kinda like it started.
>
>
>
> Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and
> whoever shows up shows up.
>
>
>
> Not sure what Wispa would think about that...
>
>
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intel

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-16 Thread David Coudron

We’d be interested in that as well.

David Coudron

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93

On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some construction machinery.

From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like

- Original Message -
From: SmarterBroadband
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..
Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 
venue.
I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one.
I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going to 
happen.

All but the home page.
I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.

From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing.

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout 
<t...@voltbb.com<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
Chuck,

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just play 
around with some stuff?

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some powder 
days in...oh, and the conference was good too.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Jay Weekley" 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fati

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-16 Thread Dave


Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93


On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some construction 
machinery.

*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like

- Original Message -
*From:* SmarterBroadband
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
*To:* af <af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify
the fairpark venue.

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held
the first one.

I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something
is going to happen.

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.

*From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

*To:*af

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space
conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA
conferences aren't really set up well to handle this type of thing.

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then
breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing
up and suggesting topics to discuss, and putting those topics on
an agenda board claming a space and a time.   For smaller groups,
a single room works where you claim time on the agenda.   For
larger groups, you of course need more space since there tends to
be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends
up leading it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah
for something like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the
leadership role during the initial 20 minutes to facilitate the
topic 'selection' process (which if done correctly isn't really as
much a selection process as a self-organizing process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

Chuck,

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm
plan, just play around with some stuff?

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference
room and whoever shows up shows up.

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

*From:*Cameron Crum

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse
to get some powder days in...oh, and the conference was
good too.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>




*From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*To: *af@afmug.com
    *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal
Farm, two WISPA
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced mu

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-16 Thread chuck

I am thinking of free.  Freeish.  

From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Free…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

May or June?

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:09 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 
venue.  

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one.  

I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going to 
happen.  

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

  Chuck,  

  I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just 
play around with some stuff? 

  TJ

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.  

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
  shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

  Chuck McCown wrote:
  > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
  > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
  > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
  > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
  > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
  > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
  > *From:* TJ Trout
  > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  > Chuck,
  > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
  > unpalatable parts of planning?
  > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
  > wispa I haven't attended since...
  > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
  > wispamerica in 20 days?
  > TJ
  > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
  > <fai...@s

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-16 Thread Dennis Burgess

BBQ..    

Dennis Burgess
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

With BBQ

On 02/16/2018 12:21 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
> sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like
> 
> - Original Message -
> *From:* SmarterBroadband <mailto:li...@sbb.net>
> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> 
> I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..
> 
> Adam
> 
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
> *ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> 
> I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify
> the fairpark venue.
> 
> I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the
> first one.
> 
> I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something
> is going to happen.
> 
> All but the home page.
> 
> I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.
> 
> *From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)
> 
> *Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM
> 
> *To:*af
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> 
> I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space
> conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA
> conferences aren't really set up well to handle this type of thing.
> 
> Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then
> breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up
> and suggesting topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an
> agenda board claming a space and a time.   For smaller groups, a
> single room works where you claim time on the agenda.   For larger
> groups, you of course need more space since there tends to be more
> things people want to discuss than there is time on the agenda.   In
> the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading it
> in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.
> 
> I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah
> for something like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the
> leadership role during the initial 20 minutes to facilitate the
> topic 'selection' process (which if done correctly isn't really as
> much a selection process as a self-organizing process).
> 
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com
> <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
> 
> Chuck,
> 
> I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm
> plan, just play around with some stuff?
> 
> TJ
> 
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> 
> Red Iguana
> 
> We could do it kinda like it started.
> 
> Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference
>     room and whoever shows up shows up.
> 
> Not sure what Wispa would think about that...
> 
> *From:*Cameron Crum
> 
> *Sent:*Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM
> 
> *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> 
> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to
> get some powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett
> <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> 
> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> 
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> 
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers W

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-16 Thread SmarterBroadband

Free…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

May or June?

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:09 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 
venue.  

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one.  

I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going to 
happen.  

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com 
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:

Chuck,  

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just play 
around with some stuff? 

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.  

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some powder 
days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 

-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
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<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
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 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 

  _  

From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
> Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
> don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuc

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-16 Thread chuck

With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some construction machinery.

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like

  - Original Message - 
  From: SmarterBroadband 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

  Adam

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
  To: af <af@afmug.com>
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the 
fairpark venue.  

  I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first 
one.  

  I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going 
to happen.  

  All but the home page.

  I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

  Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

  To: af 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' 
or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

  Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

  I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for 
something like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during 
the initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if 
done correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

  On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

Chuck,  

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just 
play around with some stuff? 

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Red Iguana

  We could do it kinda like it started.  

  Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and 
whoever shows up shows up.  

  Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

  From: Cameron Crum 

  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before. 

> Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
> don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
    > *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Chuck,
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
> unpalatable parts of planning?
> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
> wispa I haven't attended since...
> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-16 Thread Robert Andrews


With BBQ

On 02/16/2018 12:21 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like

- Original Message -
*From:* SmarterBroadband <mailto:li...@sbb.net>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
*To:* af <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify
the fairpark venue.

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the
first one.

I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something
is going to happen.

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.

*From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

    *To:*af

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space
conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA
conferences aren't really set up well to handle this type of thing.

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then
breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up
and suggesting topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an
agenda board claming a space and a time.   For smaller groups, a
single room works where you claim time on the agenda.   For larger
groups, you of course need more space since there tends to be more
things people want to discuss than there is time on the agenda.   In
the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading it
in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah
for something like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the
leadership role during the initial 20 minutes to facilitate the
topic 'selection' process (which if done correctly isn't really as
much a selection process as a self-organizing process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

Chuck,

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm
plan, just play around with some stuff?

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference
room and whoever shows up shows up.

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

*From:*Cameron Crum

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to
get some powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>




*From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
    *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal
Farm, two WISPA
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-16 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like

  - Original Message - 
  From: SmarterBroadband 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

  Adam

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
  To: af <af@afmug.com>
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the 
fairpark venue.  

  I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first 
one.  

  I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going 
to happen.  

  All but the home page.

  I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

  Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

  To: af 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' 
or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

  Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

  I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for 
something like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during 
the initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if 
done correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

  On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

Chuck,  

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just 
play around with some stuff? 

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Red Iguana

  We could do it kinda like it started.  

  Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and 
whoever shows up shows up.  

  Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

  From: Cameron Crum 

  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before. 

> Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
> don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
    > *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Chuck,
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
> unpalatable parts of planning?
> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
> wispa I haven't attended since...
> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
> wispamerica in 20 days?
> TJ
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-16 Thread chuck

May or June?

From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 
venue.  

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one.  

I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going to 
happen.  

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

  Chuck,  

  I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just 
play around with some stuff? 

  TJ

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.  

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
  shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

  Chuck McCown wrote:
  > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
  > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
  > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
  > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
  > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
  > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
  > *From:* TJ Trout
  > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  > Chuck,
  > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
  > unpalatable parts of planning?
  > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
  > wispa I haven't attended since...
  > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
  > wispamerica in 20 days?
  > TJ
  > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
  > <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
  >
  > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
  > Thus the need for a fuse !
  > :)
  > Faisal Imtiaz
  > Snappy Internet & Telecom
  > http://www.snappytelecom.net
  >
  > Tel: 305 663

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-16 Thread chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to justify the fairpark 
venue.  
I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we held the first one.  
I have modified the afmug.com page a bit reflecting that something is going to 
happen.  

All but the home page.
I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 
'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set up 
well to handle this type of thing. 

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout 
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting 
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space 
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim time on 
the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space since there 
tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is time on the 
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic ends up leading 
it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for something 
like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role during the 
initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done 
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a self-organizing 
process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

  Chuck,  

  I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just 
play around with some stuff? 

  TJ

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.  

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
  shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

  Chuck McCown wrote:
  > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
  > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
  > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
  > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
  > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
  > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
  > *From:* TJ Trout
  > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  > Chuck,
  > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
  > unpalatable parts of planning?
  > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
  > wispa I haven't attended since...
  > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
  > wispamerica in 20 days?
  > TJ
  > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
  > <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
  >
  > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
  > Thus the need for a fuse !
  > :)
  > Faisal Imtiaz
  > Snappy Internet & Telecom
  > http://www.snappytelecom.net
  >
  > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
  >
  > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or
  > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
  > 

  >
  >     *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
  > *To: *af@afmug.com
  > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
  > *Subject: *Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-15 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference'
or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The WISPA conferences aren't really set
up well to handle this type of thing.

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout
rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are people standing up and suggesting
topics to discuss, and putting those topics on an agenda board claming a
space and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works where you claim
time on the agenda.   For larger groups, you of course need more space
since there tends to be more things people want to discuss than there is
time on the agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the topic
ends up leading it in the space they've claimed in the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere in Utah for
something like this  I also wouldn't mind taking the leadership role
during the initial 20 minutes to facilitate the topic 'selection' process
(which if done correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a
self-organizing process).



On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just
> play around with some stuff?
>
> TJ
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Red Iguana
>>
>> We could do it kinda like it started.
>>
>> Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and
>> whoever shows up shows up.
>>
>> Not sure what Wispa would think about that...
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
>> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
>>> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process
>>> > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they
>>> > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>>> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>>> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.
>>> > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I
>>> > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
>>> > *From:* TJ Trout
>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>>> > *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> > Chuck,
>>> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the
>>> > unpalatable parts of planning?
>>> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into
>>> > wispa I haven't attended since...
>>> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @
>>> > wispamerica in 20 days?
>>> > TJ
>>> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
>>> > <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>>&

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-15 Thread chuck

We can do that.  Maybe my wife’s new smoker will be done by then and we can eat 
some smoky dead animals.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Chuck,  

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just play 
around with some stuff? 

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Red Iguana

  We could do it kinda like it started.  

  Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  

  Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some powder 
days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 


  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
> Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
> don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
    > *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Chuck,
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
> unpalatable parts of planning?
> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
> wispa I haven't attended since...
> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
> wispamerica in 20 days?
> TJ
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>
> >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
> Thus the need for a fuse !
> :)
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or
> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 

>
>     *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

> That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
> enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
> protectors and power systems and network equipment.
> Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
>     ------ Original Message --
> From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to
> the list anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my
> afmug folder.
>
> The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them
> more than once because my other email address is on
> Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough to bother
> unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff
> that I'm interested in.
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown
> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wro

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-15 Thread TJ Trout

Chuck,

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just
play around with some stuff?

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Red Iguana
>
> We could do it kinda like it started.
>
> Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and
> whoever shows up shows up.
>
> Not sure what Wispa would think about that...
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
>> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process
>> > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they
>> > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.
>> > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I
>> > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
>> > *From:* TJ Trout
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> > Chuck,
>> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the
>> > unpalatable parts of planning?
>> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into
>> > wispa I haven't attended since...
>> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @
>> > wispamerica in 20 days?
>> > TJ
>> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
>> > <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>> > Thus the need for a fuse !
>> > :)
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> > http://www.snappytelecom.net
>> >
>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>> <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
>> >
>> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518>
>> <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or
>> > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> > 
>> 
>> >
>> > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>> > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> >
>> > My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>> > *From:* Adam Moffett
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
>> > enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
>> > protectors and power systems and network equipment.
>> > Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
>> > -- Original

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-15 Thread Jason McKemie

*the yolk - sometime swipe typing does me wrong.

On Thursday, February 15, 2018, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I prefer 8 minutes, that way there yolk is just barely solid, not chalky.
> I guess it depends on how you're preparing them.
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2018, Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If it weren’t for this list I would have never investigated a better way
>> to make hard boiled eggs!
>>
>>
>>
>> For the record, boiling the water first then adding the eggs for the 12
>> minutes works great J There was a lot of scientific research contributed
>> to the group by Chuck on that topic….
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to attempt to put something on the signup process warning
>> folks that they will be subject to horrible amounts of on-topic spam.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Philip Rankin
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 6:28 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> Spam me all you want Chuck. Unbeknownst to you, you have helped me more
>> than about anyone throughout the years with your wisdom and products Sir!
>> I suspect the same can be said about almost everyone on this list!  I
>> sincerely appreciate your list, your work, products and more so your wisdom
>> throughout the years. Spam away Buddy!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:43 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Awesome!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2018 5:30 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Got a guest room waiting for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:21 PM
>>
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe this summer I might drive up to bother Chuck and Jennywe are
>> thinking of hiking near 4 corners area. Depends on Windy City schedule and
>> SCADA projects...I think I can bribe him with choice El Paso eats to
>> let me tour his chop shop.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2018 5:00 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>
>> Can I show up in Utah sometime anyways... I am dying to see the new LED
>> cavern lights...  :)
>>
>> On 02/13/2018 02:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was
>> born... again...
>> I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still
>> remember names.
>> But I think we have kinda patched things up.
>> They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my
>> blessings and I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
>> As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old
>> and lazy to put on the show.
>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer"
>> listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the
>> time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list,
>> as I was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan,
>> some other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola
>> list wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore. I
>> notified Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped
>> from under me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was
>> going to be taken over, Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down
>> the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was born.  A...the
>> memories :)
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-15 Thread Jason McKemie

I prefer 8 minutes, that way there yolk is just barely solid, not chalky. I
guess it depends on how you're preparing them.

On Thursday, February 15, 2018, Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
wrote:

> If it weren’t for this list I would have never investigated a better way
> to make hard boiled eggs!
>
>
>
> For the record, boiling the water first then adding the eggs for the 12
> minutes works great J There was a lot of scientific research contributed
> to the group by Chuck on that topic….
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> I am going to attempt to put something on the signup process warning folks
> that they will be subject to horrible amounts of on-topic spam.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Philip Rankin
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 6:28 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> Spam me all you want Chuck. Unbeknownst to you, you have helped me more
> than about anyone throughout the years with your wisdom and products Sir!
> I suspect the same can be said about almost everyone on this list!  I
> sincerely appreciate your list, your work, products and more so your wisdom
> throughout the years. Spam away Buddy!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:43 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Awesome!!!
>
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2018 5:30 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Got a guest room waiting for you.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:21 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> Maybe this summer I might drive up to bother Chuck and Jennywe are
> thinking of hiking near 4 corners area. Depends on Windy City schedule and
> SCADA projects...I think I can bribe him with choice El Paso eats to
> let me tour his chop shop.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2018 5:00 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
> Can I show up in Utah sometime anyways... I am dying to see the new LED
> cavern lights...  :)
>
> On 02/13/2018 02:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was born...
> again...
> I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still
> remember names.
> But I think we have kinda patched things up.
> They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my blessings
> and I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
> As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old
> and lazy to put on the show.
> *From:* Chuck Hogg
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer"
> listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the
> time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as
> I was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some
> other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list
> wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore. I notified
> Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under
> me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be
> taken over, Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the
> motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was born.  A...the memories :)
> Regards,
> Chuck
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the
> motorola@ list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list
> server went down and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of
> town? I don't remember if that was the case) and finally brought it
> back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More accurately,
> the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for a
> short time on the WISPA list serv?
>
> I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.
>
> On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got
> here….
>
> The list was Part-15 at

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-15 Thread chuck

I am still up in the air between adding vinegar or baking soda to the water.
Need to add lots of salt for certain.

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

If it weren’t for this list I would have never investigated a better way to 
make hard boiled eggs!

For the record, boiling the water first then adding the eggs for the 12 minutes 
works great J There was a lot of scientific research contributed to the group 
by Chuck on that topic….

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Thanks,

I am going to attempt to put something on the signup process warning folks that 
they will be subject to horrible amounts of on-topic spam.  

From: Philip Rankin 

Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 6:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Spam me all you want Chuck. Unbeknownst to you, you have helped me more than 
about anyone throughout the years with your wisdom and products Sir!  I suspect 
the same can be said about almost everyone on this list!  I sincerely 
appreciate your list, your work, products and more so your wisdom throughout 
the years. Spam away Buddy!

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:43 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Awesome!!! 

  Jaime Solorza

  On Feb 13, 2018 5:30 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Got a guest room waiting for you.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 

  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:21 PM

  To: Animal Farm 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  Maybe this summer I might drive up to bother Chuck and Jennywe are 
thinking of hiking near 4 corners area. Depends on Windy City schedule and 
SCADA projects...I think I can bribe him with choice El Paso eats to let me 
tour his chop shop.

  Jaime Solorza

  On Feb 13, 2018 5:00 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

  Can I show up in Utah sometime anyways... I am dying to see the new LED 
cavern lights...  :)

  On 02/13/2018 02:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was born... 
again...
  I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still remember 
names.
  But I think we have kinda patched things up.
  They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my blessings 
and I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
  As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old and 
lazy to put on the show.
  *From:* Chuck Hogg
  *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" 
listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the time, 
and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I was a 
vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some other 
distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list wasn't 
Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore. I notified Chuck M of the 
pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under me...and before 
WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be taken over, Chuck M 
converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG 
list was born.  A...the memories :)
  Regards,
  Chuck
  On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> 
wrote:

  Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the
  motorola@ list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list
  server went down and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of
  town? I don't remember if that was the case) and finally brought it
  back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More accurately,
  the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for a
  short time on the WISPA list serv?

  I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

  On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

  You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

  The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA. 
 Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the
  organization. One day Michael was mad about something and posted
  the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end
  of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a
  Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

  Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was
  called AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   Might have
  ev

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-15 Thread Brian Webster

If it weren’t for this list I would have never investigated a better way to 
make hard boiled eggs!

 

For the record, boiling the water first then adding the eggs for the 12 minutes 
works great J There was a lot of scientific research contributed to the group 
by Chuck on that topic….

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

 <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

Thanks,

 

I am going to attempt to put something on the signup process warning folks that 
they will be subject to horrible amounts of on-topic spam.  

 

 

From: Philip Rankin 

Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 6:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

Spam me all you want Chuck. Unbeknownst to you, you have helped me more than 
about anyone throughout the years with your wisdom and products Sir!  I suspect 
the same can be said about almost everyone on this list!  I sincerely 
appreciate your list, your work, products and more so your wisdom throughout 
the years. Spam away Buddy!

 

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:43 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Awesome!!! 

 

Jaime Solorza

 

On Feb 13, 2018 5:30 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Got a guest room waiting for you.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:21 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 

Maybe this summer I might drive up to bother Chuck and Jennywe are thinking 
of hiking near 4 corners area. Depends on Windy City schedule and SCADA 
projects...I think I can bribe him with choice El Paso eats to let me tour 
his chop shop.

Jaime Solorza

 

On Feb 13, 2018 5:00 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

Can I show up in Utah sometime anyways... I am dying to see the new LED cavern 
lights...  :)

On 02/13/2018 02:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was born... 
again...
I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still remember 
names.
But I think we have kinda patched things up.
They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my blessings and 
I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old and 
lazy to put on the show.
*From:* Chuck Hogg
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" 
listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the time, 
and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I was a 
vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some other 
distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list wasn't 
Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore. I notified Chuck M of the 
pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under me...and before 
WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be taken over, Chuck M 
converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG 
list was born.  A...the memories :)
Regards,
Chuck
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:

Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the
motorola@ list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list
server went down and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of
town? I don't remember if that was the case) and finally brought it
back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More accurately,
the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for a
short time on the WISPA list serv?

I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.  
Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the
organization. One day Michael was mad about something and posted
the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end
of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a
Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was
called AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   Might have
even been Motorola specific - not that it was ever on topic anyway.

There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes -
it’s Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money
for the cost of hosting it.

This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membe

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-15 Thread Cameron Crum

Mid January works too ;)


On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> That could work. The middle of summer would be about as far as you can get
> from the Wispa events... and punching holes in the dirt sounds like fun.
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Sure, but we need to pick the right season.  Nothing near any Wispa event
>> in timing either.  They are pretty good to me.
>>
>> Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional drilling
>> machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:55 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF
>> not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some
>> eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so
>> much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen
>> in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall
>> prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there
>> was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>>> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
>>> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net >> af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com
>>> /company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>     <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
>>> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process
>>> > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they >
>>> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>>> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>>> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as
>>> before.  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And
>>> I > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
>>> > *From:* TJ Trout
>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>>> > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> > Chuck,
>>> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource
>>> the  > unpalatable parts of planning?
>>> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off
>>> into > wispa I haven't attended since...
>>> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ >
>>> wispamerica in 20 days?
>>> > TJ
>>> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > <
>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>My surge protectors a

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-14 Thread Mathew Howard

That could work. The middle of summer would be about as far as you can get
from the Wispa events... and punching holes in the dirt sounds like fun.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Sure, but we need to pick the right season.  Nothing near any Wispa event
> in timing either.  They are pretty good to me.
>
> Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional drilling
> machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF
> not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some
> eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so
> much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen
> in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall
> prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there
> was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..
>
> Robert
>
> On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
>> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
>> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net > af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>
>> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.
>> com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> ----
>> 
>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
>> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process >
>> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they > think
>> that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as
>> before.  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And
>> I > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
>> > *From:* TJ Trout
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> > Chuck,
>> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource
>> the  > unpalatable parts of planning?
>> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off
>> into > wispa I haven't attended since...
>> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ >
>> wispamerica in 20 days?
>> > TJ
>> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > <
>> fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
>> >
>> > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>> > Thus the need for a fuse !
>> > :)
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>>     > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> > http://www.snappytelecom.net
>> >
>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:(305)%20663-5518>
>> <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
>> >
>>  > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:(305)%2

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-14 Thread Jeremy

AF in SLC!  So much yes...

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
wrote:

> It could just be an AF reunion.  Doesn't need to be a full on show.  I
> liked Animal Farm better then the Wispa events.  Felt more authentic.
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> The AF fiber edition was great.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sure, but we need to pick the right season.  Nothing near any Wispa
>>> event in timing either.  They are pretty good to me.
>>>
>>> Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional drilling
>>> machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:55 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF
>>> not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some
>>> eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so
>>> much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen
>>> in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall
>>> prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there
>>> was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>>
>>>> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
>>>> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
>>>> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>>>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com
>>>> /company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>>
>>>> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two
>>>> WISPA
>>>> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process
>>>> > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they >
>>>> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>>>> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>>>> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as
>>>> before.  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And
>>>> I > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
>>>> > *From:* TJ Trout
>>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>>>> > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>> > Chuck,
>>>> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource
>>>> the  > unpalatable parts of planning?
>>>> > Obvious

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-14 Thread Carl Peterson

It could just be an AF reunion.  Doesn't need to be a full on show.  I
liked Animal Farm better then the Wispa events.  Felt more authentic.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> The AF fiber edition was great.
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Sure, but we need to pick the right season.  Nothing near any Wispa event
>> in timing either.  They are pretty good to me.
>>
>> Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional drilling
>> machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:55 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF
>> not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some
>> eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so
>> much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen
>> in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall
>> prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there
>> was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>>> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
>>> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net >> af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com
>>> /company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
>>> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process
>>> > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they >
>>> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>>> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>>> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as
>>> before.  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And
>>> I > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
>>> > *From:* TJ Trout
>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>>> > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> > Chuck,
>>> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource
>>> the  > unpalatable parts of planning?
>>> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off
>>> into > wispa I haven't attended since...
>>> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ >
>>> wispamerica in 20 days?
>>> > TJ
>>> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > <
>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>My surge prote

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-14 Thread Jay Weekley


Yeah!

Chuck McCown wrote:
Sure, but we need to pick the right season.  Nothing near any Wispa 
event in timing either.  They are pretty good to me.


Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional 
drilling machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF
not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some
eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so
much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen
in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall
prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there
was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..

Robert

On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.



On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 


Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 


The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two 
WISPA

shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the 
process > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I 
think they > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to 
WispAmerica.

> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as 
before.  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical 
stuff. And I > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.

> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Chuck,
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource 
the  > unpalatable parts of planning?
> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it 
off into > wispa I haven't attended since...
> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
> wispamerica in 20 days?

> TJ
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > 
<fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:

>
> >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement 
effect...

> Thus the need for a fuse !
> :)
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:(305)%20663-5518> 
<tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>

>
 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:(305)%20663-5518>
<tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or
 > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 > 
--------

>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
 > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement 
effect...

 > *From:* Adam Moffett
 > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
 > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
 > enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-14 Thread Jason McKemie

The AF fiber edition was great.

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Sure, but we need to pick the right season.  Nothing near any Wispa event
> in timing either.  They are pretty good to me.
>
> Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional drilling
> machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF
> not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some
> eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so
> much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen
> in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall
> prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there
> was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..
>
> Robert
>
> On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
>> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
>> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net > af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>
>> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.
>> com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>     
>> 
>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
>> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process >
>> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they > think
>> that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as
>> before.  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And
>> I > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
>> > *From:* TJ Trout
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> > Chuck,
>> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource
>> the  > unpalatable parts of planning?
>> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off
>> into > wispa I haven't attended since...
>> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ >
>> wispamerica in 20 days?
>> > TJ
>> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > <
>> fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
>> >
>> > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>> > Thus the need for a fuse !
>> > :)
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> > http://www.snappytelecom.net
>> >
>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:(305)%20663-5518>
>> <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
>> >
>>  > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:(305)%20663-5518>
>> <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or
>>  > Email: supp...@snappytelecom

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown

Sure, but we need to pick the right season.  Nothing near any Wispa event in 
timing either.  They are pretty good to me.


Maybe another summer session where I break out the directional drilling 
machine and let everyone punch some holes in the dirt.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF
not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some
eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so
much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen
in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall
prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there
was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..

Robert

On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.



On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process > 
down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they > think 
that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.

> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as 
before.  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. 
And I > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.

> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Chuck,
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
 > unpalatable parts of planning?
> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off 
into > wispa I haven't attended since...
> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ > 
wispamerica in 20 days?

> TJ
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > 
<fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:

>
> >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
> Thus the need for a fuse !
> :)
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:(305)%20663-5518> 
<tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>

>
 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:(305)%20663-5518>
<tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or
 > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 > ------------
>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
 > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement 
effect...

 > *From:* Adam Moffett
 > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
 > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
 > enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
 >

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-14 Thread Robert Andrews

I would like to ask Chuck if he would host a externally funded BBQ/BOF 
not AF, that would be pretty informal, so that we could all get some 
eyeball time with each other...   I like Utah cause it's driveable to so 
much of the US and excellent flights in for the rest and it could happen 
in a better month than when we are doing all our spring cleaning/fall 
prepping..   Totally understand it that's not in the cards, but if there 
was a chance, would like to propose something low-key..


Robert

On 02/14/2018 02:57 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some 
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.



On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

Chuck McCown wrote:
> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
> down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.

> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
> Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
> don’t have to do much other than MC the event.

> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Chuck,
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
> unpalatable parts of planning?
> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
> wispa I haven't attended since...
> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
> wispamerica in 20 days?

> TJ
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> <fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:

>
> >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
> Thus the need for a fuse !
> :)
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:(305)%20663-5518> 
<tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
>
 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:(305)%20663-5518>
<tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or
 > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
------------
>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
 > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
 > *From:* Adam Moffett
 > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
 > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

 > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
 > enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
 > protectors and power systems and network equipment.
 >     Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
 > -- Original Message --
 > From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
 > To: "af" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.  

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and whoever 
shows up shows up.  

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some powder 
days in...oh, and the conference was good too. 


On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
  shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.

  Chuck McCown wrote:
  > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
  > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
  > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
  > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
  > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
  > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
  > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
  > *From:* TJ Trout
  > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  > Chuck,
  > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
  > unpalatable parts of planning?
  > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
  > wispa I haven't attended since...
  > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
  > wispamerica in 20 days?
  > TJ
  > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
  > <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
  >
  > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
  > Thus the need for a fuse !
  > :)
  > Faisal Imtiaz
  > Snappy Internet & Telecom
  > http://www.snappytelecom.net
  >
  > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
  >
  > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or
  > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
  > 
  >
  >     *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
  > *To: *af@afmug.com
  > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
  > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  >
  > My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
  > *From:* Adam Moffett
  > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

  > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
  > enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
  > protectors and power systems and network equipment.
  > Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
  >     -- Original Message --
  > From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
  > To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
  > Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  >
  > Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to
  > the list anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my
  > afmug folder.
  >
  > The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them
  > more than once because my other email address is on
  > Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough to bother
  > unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff
  > that I'm interested in.
  > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown
  > <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
  >
  > Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from
  > the spam but not the list.  And Mail Chimp will never
  > ever ever ever let me send that person anything again
  > for all of eternity.  They rate the quality of lists
  > for how many bounces, unsubscribes etc.  I have a
  > pretty good rating with them.
  >
  > The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and
  > swap fest.
  >
  > BTW, m

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-14 Thread Cameron Crum

I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.


On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process
> > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they
> > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.
> > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I
> > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
> > *From:* TJ Trout
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> > Chuck,
> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the
> > unpalatable parts of planning?
> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into
> > wispa I haven't attended since...
> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @
> > wispamerica in 20 days?
> > TJ
> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
> > <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> >
> > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
> > Thus the need for a fuse !
> > :)
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > http://www.snappytelecom.net
> >
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
> <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518>
> <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or
> > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> > ----
> 
> >
> > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> > *To: *af@afmug.com
> > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> >
> > My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
> > *From:* Adam Moffett
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
> > enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
> > protectors and power systems and network equipment.
> > Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
> > Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> >
> > Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to
> > the list anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my
> > afmug folder.
> >
> > The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them
> > more than once because my other email address is on
> > Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough to bother
> > unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff
> > that I'm interested in.
> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown
> > <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> &

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-14 Thread Mike Hammett

and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year. 

Chuck McCown wrote: 
> It can be done. We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
> down. But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
> think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica. 
> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other... 
> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track. Same format as before. 
> Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And I 
> don’t have to do much other than MC the event. 
> *From:* TJ Trout 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM 
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 
> Chuck, 
> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
> unpalatable parts of planning? 
> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
> wispa I haven't attended since... 
> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
> wispamerica in 20 days? 
> TJ 
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: 
> 
> >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect... 
> Thus the need for a fuse ! 
> :) 
> Faisal Imtiaz 
> Snappy Internet & Telecom 
> http://www.snappytelecom.net 
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> 
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or 
> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
> ------------ 
> 
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com 
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 
> 
> My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect... 
> *From:* Adam Moffett 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM 
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 
> That's hitting the nail on the head. I don't want penis 
> enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge 
> protectors and power systems and network equipment. 
> Spam me Chuck. Spam me like one of your French girls. 
> -- Original Message -- 
> From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> 
> Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 
> 
> Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to 
> the list anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my 
> afmug folder. 
> 
> The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them 
> more than once because my other email address is on 
> Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough to bother 
> unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff 
> that I'm interested in. 
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown 
> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: 
> 
> Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from 
> the spam but not the list. And Mail Chimp will never 
> ever ever ever let me send that person anything again 
> for all of eternity. They rate the quality of lists 
> for how many bounces, unsubscribes etc. I have a 
> pretty good rating with them. 
> 
> The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and 
> swap fest. 
> 
> BTW, my distributors have spam rights too. But only 
> on Friday morning. 
> 
> I prefer the list to be free from spam like it is now 
> compared to before. 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:14 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 
> 
> 
> I hope that was someone being humorous... Otherwise... 
> #OFFWITHTHEIRHEAD ... Come on, Chuck's products are 
> about the most 
> worthy of any vendor I know. And POE fuses... It's 
> a fricken godsend!!! 
> 
> BTW I need to by a bunch and wish I could buy the 
> little racks with 
> them.. Oh well, amazon... 
> 
> 
> Robert 
> 
> On 02/13/2018 11:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 
> 
> I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp 
> list about once a year. 
> 
> You do realize that this list is my list, right? 
> 
> So essentially every time I make a posting here I 
> am spamming you, right? 
> 
> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list. 
> But I think it is cleaner and better quality

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-14 Thread Mathew Howard

One of the things I liked about Animal Farm was that the timing was much
better than any of the other shows. The WISPA shows are late enough in the
spring that the weather is already getting nice enough to be doing
(non-essential) tower work, and early enough in the fall that it's still
nice out. I wish they'd move WISPAmerica up to late January/early February.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process down.
>> But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they think that AF
>> as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>> Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>> So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.
>> Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I don’t
>> have to do much other than MC the event.
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> Chuck,
>> How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the
>> unpalatable parts of planning?
>> Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into
>> wispa I haven't attended since...
>> Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @
>> wispamerica in 20 days?
>> TJ
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>> Thus the need for a fuse !
>> :)
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or
>> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>     
>> 
>>
>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
>> enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
>>     protectors and power systems and network equipment.
>> Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to
>> the list anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my
>> afmug folder.
>>
>> The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them
>> more than once because my other email address is on
>> Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough to bother
>> unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff
>> that I'm interested in.
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown
>> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from
>> the spam but not the list.  And Mail Chimp will never
>> ever ever ever let me send that person anything again
>> for all of eternity.  They rate the quality of lists
>> for how many bounces, unsubscribes etc.  I have a
>> pretty good rating with them.
>>
>>     The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and
>> swap fest.
>>
>> BTW, my distributors have spam rights too.  But only
>> on Friday morning.
>>
>> I prefer the list to be free from spam like it is now
>> compared to before.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-14 Thread Jay Weekley

I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA 
shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.


Chuck McCown wrote:
It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process 
down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they 
think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.

Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I 
don’t have to do much other than MC the event.

*From:* TJ Trout
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
Chuck,
How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the 
unpalatable parts of planning?
Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into 
wispa I haven't attended since...
Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ 
wispamerica in 20 days?

TJ
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
<fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:


>>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
Thus the need for a fuse !
:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
protectors and power systems and network equipment.
Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
    Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to
the list anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my
afmug folder.

The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them
more than once because my other email address is on
Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough to bother
unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff
that I'm interested in.
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from
the spam but not the list.  And Mail Chimp will never
ever ever ever let me send that person anything again
for all of eternity.  They rate the quality of lists
for how many bounces, unsubscribes etc.  I have a
pretty good rating with them.

The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and
swap fest.

BTW, my distributors have spam rights too.  But only
on Friday morning.

I prefer the list to be free from spam like it is now
compared to before.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:14 PM
        To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


I hope that was someone being humorous... Otherwise...
#OFFWITHTHEIRHEAD ...   Come on, Chuck's products are
about the most
worthy of any vendor I know.   And POE fuses...  It's
a fricken godsend!!!

BTW I need to by a bunch and wish I could buy the
little racks with
them..   Oh well, amazon...


Robert

On 02/13/2018 11:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp
list about once a year.

You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I
am spamming you, right?

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to
use MailChimp.

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-14 Thread Mike Hammett

*nods* I'm the opposite of TJ. I probably won't go to an Animal Farm-only 
event, just like I don't go to MUMs anymore. Limited time away, let's just 
knock it out all at once. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:22:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 




It can be done. We outsourced much of it once we got the process down. But 
WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they think that AF as its 
own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica. 
Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other... 

So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track. Same format as before. 
Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff. And I don’t have 
to do much other than MC the event. 




From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 


Chuck, 

How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the unpalatable 
parts of planning? 

Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into wispa I 
haven't attended since... 

Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ wispamerica in 
20 days? 

TJ 


On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
wrote: 





>> My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect... 

Thus the need for a fuse ! 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 




From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 








My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect... 




From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM 


To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 




That's hitting the nail on the head. I don't want penis enlargement spam, but I 
definitely want to hear about surge protectors and power systems and network 
equipment. 

Spam me Chuck. Spam me like one of your French girls. 



-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > 
To: "af" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 






Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to the list anymore... for 
some reason gmail puts it in my afmug folder. 

The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them more than once 
because my other email address is on Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough 
to bother unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff that I'm 
interested in. 



On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 


Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from the spam but not the 
list. And Mail Chimp will never ever ever ever let me send that person anything 
again for all of eternity. They rate the quality of lists for how many bounces, 
unsubscribes etc. I have a pretty good rating with them. 

The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and swap fest. 

BTW, my distributors have spam rights too. But only on Friday morning. 

I prefer the list to be free from spam like it is now compared to before. 

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:14 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 



I hope that was someone being humorous... Otherwise... 
#OFFWITHTHEIRHEAD ... Come on, Chuck's products are about the most 
worthy of any vendor I know. And POE fuses... It's a fricken godsend!!! 

BTW I need to by a bunch and wish I could buy the little racks with 
them.. Oh well, amazon... 


Robert 

On 02/13/2018 11:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 


I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year. 

You do realize that this list is my list, right? 

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right? 

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list. 
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp. 

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp? That will prevent it from ever 
happening again. 

-Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that? 

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any 
business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely 
poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets. 

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown

It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process down.  But 
WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they think that AF as its 
own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.  
Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...

So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.  
Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I don’t have 
to do much other than MC the event.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Chuck, 

How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the unpalatable 
parts of planning?

Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into wispa I 
haven't attended since...

Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @ wispamerica in 
20 days?

TJ

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:

  >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...

  Thus the need for a fuse !

  :)

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  http://www.snappytelecom.net

  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis enlargement spam, 
but I definitely want to hear about surge protectors and power systems and 
network equipment.

Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
    Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to the list 
anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my afmug folder.


  The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them more than once 
because my other email address is on Chuck's list too, but I don't care enough 
to bother unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff that I'm 
interested in.


  On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from the spam but not 
the list.  And Mail Chimp will never ever ever ever let me send that person 
anything again for all of eternity.  They rate the quality of lists for how 
many bounces, unsubscribes etc.  I have a pretty good rating with them.

The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and swap fest.

BTW, my distributors have spam rights too.  But only on Friday morning.

I prefer the list to be free from spam like it is now compared to 
before.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:14 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 


I hope that was someone being humorous...  Otherwise...
#OFFWITHTHEIRHEAD  ...   Come on, Chuck's products are about the most
worthy of any vendor I know.   And POE fuses...  It's a fricken 
godsend!!!

BTW I need to by a bunch and wish I could buy the little racks with
them..   Oh well, amazon...


Robert

On 02/13/2018 11:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a 
year.

  You do realize that this list is my list, right?

  So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, 
right?

  I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
  But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

  Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from 
ever happening again.

  -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

  I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done 
any business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely 
poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.

  Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

This is 2018, your email account is as private as a WallMart Store location.
You don't like a piece of email, send it to trash
You don't like getting emails from someone, black list it, filter it .. 
You don't like to be sent email, take your email address and go back home !

Bitching about it as if you have been violated, on a public list, does not buy 
you any favors or good graces..

:)



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

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- Original Message -
> From: fiber...@mail.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:58:23 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?
> 
> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
> business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely
> poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.
> 
> Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Jaime Solorza

Don't be a hater

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 7:07 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> He didn't tell you it is in his underground coffin.
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018, 6:30 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Got a guest room waiting for you.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:21 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> Maybe this summer I might drive up to bother Chuck and Jennywe are
>> thinking of hiking near 4 corners area. Depends on Windy City schedule and
>> SCADA projects...I think I can bribe him with choice El Paso eats to
>> let me tour his chop shop.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Feb 13, 2018 5:00 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can I show up in Utah sometime anyways... I am dying to see the new LED
>>> cavern lights...  :)
>>>
>>> On 02/13/2018 02:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was
>>>> born... again...
>>>> I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still
>>>> remember names.
>>>> But I think we have kinda patched things up.
>>>> They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my
>>>> blessings and I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
>>>> As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old
>>>> and lazy to put on the show.
>>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>> Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer"
>>>> listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the
>>>> time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list,
>>>> as I was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan,
>>>> some other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola
>>>> list wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore. I
>>>> notified Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped
>>>> from under me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was
>>>> going to be taken over, Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down
>>>> the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was born.  A...the
>>>> memories :)
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <
>>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the
>>>> motorola@ list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list
>>>> server went down and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of
>>>> town? I don't remember if that was the case) and finally brought it
>>>> back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More accurately,
>>>> the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for a
>>>> short time on the WISPA list serv?
>>>>
>>>> I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got
>>>> here….
>>>>
>>>> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to
>>>> WISPA.  Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the
>>>> organization. One day Michael was mad about something and posted
>>>> the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end
>>>> of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a
>>>> Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was
>>>> called AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   Might have
>>>> even been Motorola specific - not that it was ever on topic
>>>> anyway.
>>>>
>>>> There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes -
>>>> it’s Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money
>>>> for the cost of hosting it.
>>>>
>&

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Lewis Bergman

He didn't tell you it is in his underground coffin.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018, 6:30 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Got a guest room waiting for you.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:21 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> Maybe this summer I might drive up to bother Chuck and Jennywe are
> thinking of hiking near 4 corners area. Depends on Windy City schedule and
> SCADA projects...I think I can bribe him with choice El Paso eats to
> let me tour his chop shop.
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Feb 13, 2018 5:00 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
>> Can I show up in Utah sometime anyways... I am dying to see the new LED
>> cavern lights...  :)
>>
>> On 02/13/2018 02:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was
>>> born... again...
>>> I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still
>>> remember names.
>>> But I think we have kinda patched things up.
>>> They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my
>>> blessings and I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
>>> As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old
>>> and lazy to put on the show.
>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer"
>>> listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the
>>> time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list,
>>> as I was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan,
>>> some other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola
>>> list wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore. I
>>> notified Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped
>>> from under me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was
>>> going to be taken over, Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down
>>> the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was born.  A...the
>>> memories :)
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the
>>> motorola@ list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list
>>> server went down and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of
>>> town? I don't remember if that was the case) and finally brought it
>>> back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More accurately,
>>> the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for a
>>> short time on the WISPA list serv?
>>>
>>> I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.
>>>
>>> On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>>
>>> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got
>>> here….
>>>
>>> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to
>>> WISPA.  Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the
>>> organization. One day Michael was mad about something and posted
>>> the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end
>>> of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a
>>> Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.
>>>
>>> Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was
>>> called AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   Might have
>>> even been Motorola specific - not that it was ever on topic
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes -
>>> it’s Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money
>>> for the cost of hosting it.
>>>
>>> This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a
>>> group of people who have known each other for a very long
>>> time.   You probably shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg
>>> products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else if fair
>>> game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t
>>> really say with a WISPA hat on

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread chuck

Thanks,

I am going to attempt to put something on the signup process warning folks that 
they will be subject to horrible amounts of on-topic spam.  

From: Philip Rankin 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 6:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Spam me all you want Chuck. Unbeknownst to you, you have helped me more than 
about anyone throughout the years with your wisdom and products Sir!  I suspect 
the same can be said about almost everyone on this list!  I sincerely 
appreciate your list, your work, products and more so your wisdom throughout 
the years. Spam away Buddy!

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:43 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Awesome!!! 

  Jaime Solorza

  On Feb 13, 2018 5:30 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Got a guest room waiting for you.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:21 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Maybe this summer I might drive up to bother Chuck and Jennywe are 
thinking of hiking near 4 corners area. Depends on Windy City schedule and 
SCADA projects...I think I can bribe him with choice El Paso eats to let me 
tour his chop shop.

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 5:00 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

  Can I show up in Utah sometime anyways... I am dying to see the new LED 
cavern lights...  :)

  On 02/13/2018 02:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was 
born... again...
I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still 
remember names.
But I think we have kinda patched things up.
They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my 
blessings and I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old 
and lazy to put on the show.
*From:* Chuck Hogg
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" 
listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the time, 
and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I was a 
vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some other 
distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list wasn't 
Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore. I notified Chuck M of the 
pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under me...and before 
WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be taken over, Chuck M 
converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG 
list was born.  A...the memories :)
Regards,
Chuck
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:

Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the
motorola@ list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list
server went down and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of
town? I don't remember if that was the case) and finally brought it
back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More accurately,
the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for a
short time on the WISPA list serv?

I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got 
here….

The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   
   Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the
organization. One day Michael was mad about something and posted
the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end
of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a
Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was
called AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   Might have
even been Motorola specific - not that it was ever on topic 
anyway.

There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes -
it’s Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money
for the cost of hosting it.

This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a
group of people who have known each other for a very long
time.   You probably shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg
products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else if fair

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


Philip,

+1 on that.  He is the main reason we are doing fiber now.

-- 
Best regards,
 Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

--

Tuesday, February 13, 2018, 8:28:54 PM, you wrote:





Spam me all you want Chuck. Unbeknownst to you, you have helped me more than about anyone throughout the years with your wisdom and products Sir!  I suspect the same can be said about almost everyone on this list!  I sincerely appreciate your list, your work, products and more so your wisdom throughout the years. Spam away Buddy!

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:43 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:




Awesome!!! 


Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 5:30 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:




Got a guest room waiting for you.  
 
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:21 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
 
Maybe this summer I might drive up to bother Chuck and Jennywe are thinking of hiking near 4 corners area. Depends on Windy City schedule and SCADA projects...I think I can bribe him with choice El Paso eats to let me tour his chop shop.

Jaime Solorza
 
On Feb 13, 2018 5:00 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:




Can I show up in Utah sometime anyways... I am dying to see the new LED cavern lights...  :)

On 02/13/2018 02:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:




Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was born... again...
I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still remember names.
But I think we have kinda patched things up.
They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my blessings and I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old and lazy to put on the show.
*From:* Chuck Hogg
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore. I notified Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be taken over, Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was born.  A...the memories :)
Regards,
Chuck
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:

    Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the
    motorola@ list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list
    server went down and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of
    town? I don't remember if that was the case) and finally brought it
    back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More accurately,
    the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for a
    short time on the WISPA list serv?

    I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

    On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

        You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

        The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.          Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the
        organization. One day Michael was mad about something and posted
        the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end
        of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a
        Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

        Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was
        called AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   Might have
        even been Motorola specific - not that it was ever on topic anyway.

        There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes -
        it’s Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money
        for the cost of hosting it.

        This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a
        group of people who have known each other for a very long
        time.   You probably shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg
        products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else if fair
        game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t
        really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without
        blowback to WISPA).

        Mark

            On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

            Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...

            -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Philip Rankin

Spam me all you want Chuck. Unbeknownst to you, you have helped me more
than about anyone throughout the years with your wisdom and products Sir!
I suspect the same can be said about almost everyone on this list!  I
sincerely appreciate your list, your work, products and more so your wisdom
throughout the years. Spam away Buddy!

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:43 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Awesome!!!
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Feb 13, 2018 5:30 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Got a guest room waiting for you.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:21 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> Maybe this summer I might drive up to bother Chuck and Jennywe are
>> thinking of hiking near 4 corners area. Depends on Windy City schedule and
>> SCADA projects...I think I can bribe him with choice El Paso eats to
>> let me tour his chop shop.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2018 5:00 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can I show up in Utah sometime anyways... I am dying to see the new LED
>>> cavern lights...  :)
>>>
>>> On 02/13/2018 02:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was
>>>> born... again...
>>>> I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still
>>>> remember names.
>>>> But I think we have kinda patched things up.
>>>> They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my
>>>> blessings and I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
>>>> As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old
>>>> and lazy to put on the show.
>>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>> Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer"
>>>> listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the
>>>> time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list,
>>>> as I was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan,
>>>> some other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola
>>>> list wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore. I
>>>> notified Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped
>>>> from under me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was
>>>> going to be taken over, Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down
>>>> the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was born.  A...the
>>>> memories :)
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <
>>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the
>>>> motorola@ list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list
>>>> server went down and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of
>>>> town? I don't remember if that was the case) and finally brought it
>>>> back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More accurately,
>>>> the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for a
>>>> short time on the WISPA list serv?
>>>>
>>>> I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got
>>>> here….
>>>>
>>>> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to
>>>> WISPA.  Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the
>>>> organization. One day Michael was mad about something and posted
>>>> the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end
>>>> of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a
>>>> Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was
>>>> called AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   Might have
>>>> even been Motorola specific - not that it was

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


Gino,

Remember that one. Canadians were giving me a hard time because I wouldn't leave the hotel.  Think it was 10 degrees outside.  At that point I hadn't seen temps below 40 for about 15 years.  

-- 
Best regards,
 Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

--

Tuesday, February 13, 2018, 6:51:22 PM, you wrote:






I remember the first AF! Back in 2007? Attendance was about 20-30 individuals ?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 6:48 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck



 
Gino A. Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was born... again...
 
I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still remember names.
 
But I think we have kinda patched things up.  
They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my blessings and I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
 
As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old and lazy to put on the show.  
 
From: Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
 
Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore.  I notified Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be taken over, Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was born.  A...the memories :)
 
Regards,
Chuck
 
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:




Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the motorola@ list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list server went down and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of town? I don't remember if that was the case) and finally brought it back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More accurately, the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for a short time on the WISPA list serv?

I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:




You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day Michael was mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola specific - not that it was ever on topic anyway.

There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of hosting it.

This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of people who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to WISPA).

Mark





On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.

You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
happening again.

-Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
business with him, or even

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Jaime Solorza

Awesome!!!

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 5:30 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Got a guest room waiting for you.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:21 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> Maybe this summer I might drive up to bother Chuck and Jennywe are
> thinking of hiking near 4 corners area. Depends on Windy City schedule and
> SCADA projects...I think I can bribe him with choice El Paso eats to
> let me tour his chop shop.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Feb 13, 2018 5:00 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
>> Can I show up in Utah sometime anyways... I am dying to see the new LED
>> cavern lights...  :)
>>
>> On 02/13/2018 02:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was
>>> born... again...
>>> I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still
>>> remember names.
>>> But I think we have kinda patched things up.
>>> They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my
>>> blessings and I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
>>> As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old
>>> and lazy to put on the show.
>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer"
>>> listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the
>>> time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list,
>>> as I was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan,
>>> some other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola
>>> list wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore. I
>>> notified Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped
>>> from under me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was
>>> going to be taken over, Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down
>>> the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was born.  A...the
>>> memories :)
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the
>>> motorola@ list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list
>>> server went down and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of
>>> town? I don't remember if that was the case) and finally brought it
>>> back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More accurately,
>>> the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for a
>>> short time on the WISPA list serv?
>>>
>>> I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.
>>>
>>> On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>>
>>> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got
>>> here….
>>>
>>> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to
>>> WISPA.  Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the
>>> organization. One day Michael was mad about something and posted
>>> the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end
>>> of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a
>>> Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.
>>>
>>> Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was
>>> called AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   Might have
>>> even been Motorola specific - not that it was ever on topic
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes -
>>> it’s Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money
>>> for the cost of hosting it.
>>>
>>> This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a
>>> group of people who have known each other for a very long
>>> time.   You probably shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg
>>> products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else if fair
>>> game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t
>>> really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say wit

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread chuck

Got a guest room waiting for you.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:21 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Maybe this summer I might drive up to bother Chuck and Jennywe are thinking 
of hiking near 4 corners area. Depends on Windy City schedule and SCADA 
projects...I think I can bribe him with choice El Paso eats to let me tour 
his chop shop.

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 5:00 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

  Can I show up in Utah sometime anyways... I am dying to see the new LED 
cavern lights...  :)

  On 02/13/2018 02:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was born... 
again...
I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still remember 
names.
But I think we have kinda patched things up.
They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my blessings 
and I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old and 
lazy to put on the show.
*From:* Chuck Hogg
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" 
listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the time, 
and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I was a 
vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some other 
distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list wasn't 
Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore. I notified Chuck M of the 
pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under me...and before 
WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be taken over, Chuck M 
converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG 
list was born.  A...the memories :)
Regards,
Chuck
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> 
wrote:

Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the
motorola@ list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list
server went down and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of
town? I don't remember if that was the case) and finally brought it
back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More accurately,
the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for a
short time on the WISPA list serv?

I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   
   Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the
organization. One day Michael was mad about something and posted
the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end
of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a
Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was
called AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   Might have
even been Motorola specific - not that it was ever on topic anyway.

There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes -
it’s Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money
for the cost of hosting it.

This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a
group of people who have known each other for a very long
time.   You probably shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg
products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else if fair
game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t
really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without
blowback to WISPA).

Mark

On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list
about once a year.

You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am
spamming you, right?

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

Did you

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread chuck

Don’t ask, don’t tell...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

" Yes - it’s Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for the 
cost of hosting it." 

Hows that stand right now BTW? are the coffers still overflowing?

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

  You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

  The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t recall 
the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day Michael was 
mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was 
pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during 
a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

  Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG at 
the time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola specific - 
not that it was ever on topic anyway.

  There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s Chuck’s 
list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of hosting it.

  This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of 
people who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably shouldn’t 
say bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody 
else if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t 
really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to 
WISPA).

  Mark

  > On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  >
  > Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...
  >
  > -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  >
  > I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.
  >
  > You do realize that this list is my list, right?
  >
  > So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
  >
  > I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.

  > But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.
  >
  > Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
  > happening again.
  >
  > -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
  > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  >
  > I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?
  >
  > I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
  > business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely
  > poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.
  >
  > Jared
  >

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Steve Jones

the odd thing, im the administrator



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> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:52:08 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists *nor done any
> business with him*, or even indicate I would like to.   TF you just
> say?!!?
>
> I remember that KPP thing and chucks analogy, I though somebody had
> actually tried to bed down his daughter.
>
>
> I guess I have notice more mccown tech emails, come to think of it I never
> did sign up for them either. Im pretty sure this has cause pain and
> suffering, Im going to need an emotional support peacock
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 4:59 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Then there was the time Doug Clark got mad at me and got Travis to start
>> another list.  I think it had something to do with KPP crashing
>> AnimalFarm.
>>
>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:49 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> actually i distinctly remember a "MOTORLA" and "MOTOROLA II" list... LOL
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:38 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer"
>> listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the
>> time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list,
>> as I was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan,
>> some other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola
>> list wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore.  I
>> notified Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped
>> from under me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was
>> going to be taken over, Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down
>> the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was born.  A...the
>> memories :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the motorola@
>>> list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list server went down
>>> and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of town? I don't remember if
>>> that was the case) and finally brought it back up. But it was too late and
>>> AFMUG was born. More accurately, the "Motorola II" list was born, and I
>>> believe that was hosted for a short time on the WISPA list serv?
>>>
>>> I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.
>>>
>>> On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>>
>>>> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….
>>>>
>>>> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t
>>>> recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day
>>>> Michael was mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email -
>>>> and that was pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think
>>>> that was during a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.
>>>>
&g

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Jaime Solorza

Maybe this summer I might drive up to bother Chuck and Jennywe are
thinking of hiking near 4 corners area. Depends on Windy City schedule and
SCADA projects...I think I can bribe him with choice El Paso eats to
let me tour his chop shop.

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 5:00 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

> Can I show up in Utah sometime anyways... I am dying to see the new LED
> cavern lights...  :)
>
> On 02/13/2018 02:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was
>> born... again...
>> I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still
>> remember names.
>> But I think we have kinda patched things up.
>> They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my
>> blessings and I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
>> As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old
>> and lazy to put on the show.
>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer"
>> listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the
>> time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list,
>> as I was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan,
>> some other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola
>> list wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore. I
>> notified Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped
>> from under me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was
>> going to be taken over, Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down
>> the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was born.  A...the
>> memories :)
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the
>> motorola@ list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list
>> server went down and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of
>> town? I don't remember if that was the case) and finally brought it
>> back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More accurately,
>> the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for a
>> short time on the WISPA list serv?
>>
>> I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.
>>
>> On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>
>> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got
>> here….
>>
>> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.
>>   Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the
>> organization. One day Michael was mad about something and posted
>> the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end
>> of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a
>> Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.
>>
>> Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was
>> called AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   Might have
>> even been Motorola specific - not that it was ever on topic
>> anyway.
>>
>> There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes -
>> it’s Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money
>> for the cost of hosting it.
>>
>> This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a
>> group of people who have known each other for a very long
>> time.   You probably shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg
>> products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else if fair
>> game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t
>> really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without
>> blowback to WISPA).
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...
>>
>> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list
>> about once a year.
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Mike Hammett

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The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:52:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 


I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any 
business with him , or even indicate I would like to. TF you just say?!!? 



I remember that KPP thing and chucks analogy, I though somebody had actually 
tried to bed down his daughter. 




I guess I have notice more mccown tech emails, come to think of it I never did 
sign up for them either. Im pretty sure this has cause pain and suffering, Im 
going to need an emotional support peacock 


On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 4:59 PM, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Then there was the time Doug Clark got mad at me and got Travis to start 
another list. I think it had something to do with KPP crashing AnimalFarm. 




From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:49 PM 


To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 






actually i distinctly remember a "MOTORLA" and "MOTOROLA II" list... LOL 



- Original Message - 
From: Chuck Hogg 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:38 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" 
listservs. Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the time, and 
his list was moved over. I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I was a vendor 
at the time for WISPA. That's when sh!t hit the fan, some other distributors 
got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list wasn't Chuck M's, and 
the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore. I notified Chuck M of the pending issues 
and how my list was getting ripped from under me...and before WISPA could 
notify Chuck M that his list was going to be taken over, Chuck M converted it 
to the AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was 
born. A...the memories :) 



Regards, 
Chuck 

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup < george.sko...@cbcast.com > 
wrote: 


Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the motorola@ list. 
IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list server went down and he said 
it was a h/w failure (while out of town? I don't remember if that was the case) 
and finally brought it back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More 
accurately, the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for 
a short time on the WISPA list serv? 

I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great. 

On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: 


You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here…. 

The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA. Can’t recall the 
last name - Michael somebody ran the organization. One day Michael was mad 
about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty 
much the end of Part 15 and the list. I actually think that was during a Animal 
Farm session if I recall correctly. 

Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG at the 
time, but it later became that. Might have even been Motorola specific - not 
that it was ever on topic anyway. 

There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on. Yes - it’s Chuck’s 
list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of hosting it. 

This list has it’s advantages. It’s membership leans toward a group of people 
who have known each other for a very long time. You probably shouldn’t say bad 
things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else if 
fair game. I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t really say 
with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to WISPA). 

Mark 



On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 

Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too... 

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year. 

You do realize that this list is my list, right? 

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right? 

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list. 
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp. 

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp? That will prevent it from ever 
happening again. 

-Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that? 

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Robert Andrews

Can I show up in Utah sometime anyways... I am dying to see the new LED 
cavern lights...  :)


On 02/13/2018 02:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was 
born... again...
I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still 
remember names.

But I think we have kinda patched things up.
They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my 
blessings and I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.
As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old 
and lazy to put on the show.

*From:* Chuck Hogg
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" 
listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the 
time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, 
as I was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, 
some other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the 
motorola list wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine 
anymore. I notified Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was 
getting ripped from under me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M 
that his list was going to be taken over, Chuck M converted it to the 
AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was 
born.  A...the memories :)

Regards,
Chuck
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:


Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the
motorola@ list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list
server went down and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of
town? I don't remember if that was the case) and finally brought it
back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More accurately,
the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for a
short time on the WISPA list serv?

I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.  
Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the

organization. One day Michael was mad about something and posted
the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end
of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a
Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was
called AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   Might have
even been Motorola specific - not that it was ever on topic anyway.

There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes -
it’s Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money
for the cost of hosting it.

This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a
group of people who have known each other for a very long
time.   You probably shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg
products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else if fair
game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t
really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without
blowback to WISPA).

Mark

On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list
about once a year.

You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am
spamming you, right?

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent
it from ever
happening again.

-Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists
nor done any
business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find
it in extremely
poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Steve Jones

" Yes - it’s Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for
the cost of hosting it."

Hows that stand right now BTW? are the coffers still overflowing?

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….
>
> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t
> recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day
> Michael was mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email -
> and that was pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think
> that was during a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.
>
> Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG at
> the time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola
> specific - not that it was ever on topic anyway.
>
> There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s
> Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of
> hosting it.
>
> This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of
> people who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably
> shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky)
> but everybody else if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say
> things I can’t really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say
> without blowback to WISPA).
>
> Mark
>
> > On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >
> > Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...
> >
> > -Original Message----- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> >
> > I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a
> year.
> >
> > You do realize that this list is my list, right?
> >
> > So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
> >
> > I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
> > But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.
> >
> > Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
> > happening again.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> >
> > I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?
> >
> > I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
> > business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in
> extremely
> > poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.
> >
> > Jared
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread chuck

snowflake...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any 
business with him, or even indicate I would like to.   TF you just say?!!?

I remember that KPP thing and chucks analogy, I though somebody had actually 
tried to bed down his daughter.

I guess I have notice more mccown tech emails, come to think of it I never did 
sign up for them either. Im pretty sure this has cause pain and suffering, Im 
going to need an emotional support peacock

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 4:59 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Then there was the time Doug Clark got mad at me and got Travis to start 
another list.  I think it had something to do with KPP crashing AnimalFarm.  

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:49 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  actually i distinctly remember a "MOTORLA" and "MOTOROLA II" list... LOL

- Original Message - 
From: Chuck Hogg 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:38 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" 
listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the time, 
and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I was a 
vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some other 
distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list wasn't 
Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore.  I notified Chuck M of 
the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under me...and 
before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be taken over, 
Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and 
the AFMUG list was born.  A...the memories :)

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> 
wrote:

  Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the motorola@ 
list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list server went down and he 
said it was a h/w failure (while out of town? I don't remember if that was the 
case) and finally brought it back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. 
More accurately, the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted 
for a short time on the WISPA list serv?

  I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

  On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t 
recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day Michael 
was mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was 
pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during 
a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG 
at the time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola specific 
- not that it was ever on topic anyway.

There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s 
Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of 
hosting it.

This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group 
of people who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably 
shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but 
everybody else if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I 
can’t really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback 
to WISPA).

Mark

  On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...

  -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a 
year.

  You do realize that this list is my list, right?

  So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, 
right?

  I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
  But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

  Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from 
ever
  happening again.

  -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
      To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

  I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread chuck

40-45
Somewhere I still have photos of everyone.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I remember the first AF! Back in 2007? Attendance was about 20-30 individuals ?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 6:48 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  Gino A. Villarini

  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was born... 
again...

I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still remember 
names.

But I think we have kinda patched things up.  
They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my blessings and 
I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.

As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old and 
lazy to put on the show.  

From: Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" 
listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the time, 
and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I was a 
vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some other 
distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list wasn't 
Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore.  I notified Chuck M of 
the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under me...and 
before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be taken over, 
Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and 
the AFMUG list was born.  A...the memories :)

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:

  Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the motorola@ 
list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list server went down and he 
said it was a h/w failure (while out of town? I don't remember if that was the 
case) and finally brought it back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. 
More accurately, the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted 
for a short time on the WISPA list serv?

  I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

  On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t 
recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day Michael 
was mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was 
pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during 
a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG at 
the time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola specific - 
not that it was ever on topic anyway.

There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s 
Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of 
hosting it.

This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of 
people who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably shouldn’t 
say bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody 
else if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t 
really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to 
WISPA).

Mark

  On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...

  -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.

  You do realize that this list is my list, right?

  So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?

  I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
  But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

  Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
  happening again.

  -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

  I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
  business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in 
extremely
  poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.

  Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Steve Jones

 I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists *nor done any
business with him*, or even indicate I would like to.   TF you just say?!!?

I remember that KPP thing and chucks analogy, I though somebody had
actually tried to bed down his daughter.


I guess I have notice more mccown tech emails, come to think of it I never
did sign up for them either. Im pretty sure this has cause pain and
suffering, Im going to need an emotional support peacock

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 4:59 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Then there was the time Doug Clark got mad at me and got Travis to start
> another list.  I think it had something to do with KPP crashing
> AnimalFarm.
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
>
> actually i distinctly remember a "MOTORLA" and "MOTOROLA II" list... LOL
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Chuck Hogg
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:38 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer"
> listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the
> time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as
> I was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some
> other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list
> wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore.  I notified
> Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under
> me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be
> taken over, Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the
> motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was born.  A...the memories :)
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the motorola@
>> list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list server went down
>> and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of town? I don't remember if
>> that was the case) and finally brought it back up. But it was too late and
>> AFMUG was born. More accurately, the "Motorola II" list was born, and I
>> believe that was hosted for a short time on the WISPA list serv?
>>
>> I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.
>>
>> On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>
>>> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….
>>>
>>> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t
>>> recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day
>>> Michael was mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email -
>>> and that was pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think
>>> that was during a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.
>>>
>>> Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG
>>> at the time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola
>>> specific - not that it was ever on topic anyway.
>>>
>>> There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s
>>> Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of
>>> hosting it.
>>>
>>> This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of
>>> people who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably
>>> shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky)
>>> but everybody else if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say
>>> things I can’t really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say
>>> without blowback to WISPA).
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>>
>>>> I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a
>>>> year.
>>>>
>>>> You do realize that this list is my list, right?
>>>>
>>>> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you,
>>>> right?
>>>>
>>>> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
>>>> But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.
>>>>
>>>> Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
>>>> happening again.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>>
>>>> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?
>>>>
>>>> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
>>>> business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in
>>>> extremely
>>>> poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.
>>>>
>>>> Jared
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Gino A. Villarini

I remember the first AF! Back in 2007? Attendance was about 20-30 individuals ?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 6:48 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Gino A. Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was born... 
again...

I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still remember 
names.

But I think we have kinda patched things up.
They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my blessings and 
I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.

As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old and 
lazy to put on the show.

From: Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" 
listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the time, 
and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I was a 
vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some other 
distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list wasn't 
Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore.  I notified Chuck M of 
the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under me...and 
before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be taken over, 
Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and 
the AFMUG list was born.  A...the memories :)

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the motorola@ list. 
IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list server went down and he said 
it was a h/w failure (while out of town? I don't remember if that was the case) 
and finally brought it back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. More 
accurately, the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted for 
a short time on the WISPA list serv?

I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t recall 
the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day Michael was 
mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was 
pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during 
a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG at the 
time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola specific - not 
that it was ever on topic anyway.

There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s Chuck’s 
list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of hosting it.

This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of people 
who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably shouldn’t say 
bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else 
if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t really say 
with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to WISPA).

Mark

On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...

-Original Message----- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.

You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
happening again.

-Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely
poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread chuck

Or maybe Travis got mad at me and got Doug to start another list...

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Then there was the time Doug Clark got mad at me and got Travis to start 
another list.  I think it had something to do with KPP crashing AnimalFarm.  

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

actually i distinctly remember a "MOTORLA" and "MOTOROLA II" list... LOL

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck Hogg 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" 
listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the time, 
and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I was a 
vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some other 
distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list wasn't 
Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore.  I notified Chuck M of 
the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under me...and 
before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be taken over, 
Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and 
the AFMUG list was born.  A...the memories :)

  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> 
wrote:

Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the motorola@ 
list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list server went down and he 
said it was a h/w failure (while out of town? I don't remember if that was the 
case) and finally brought it back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. 
More accurately, the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted 
for a short time on the WISPA list serv?

I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

  You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

  The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t 
recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day Michael 
was mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was 
pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during 
a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

  Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG 
at the time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola specific 
- not that it was ever on topic anyway.

  There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s 
Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of 
hosting it.

  This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of 
people who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably shouldn’t 
say bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody 
else if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t 
really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to 
WISPA).

  Mark

On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a 
year.

You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, 
right?

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
happening again.

-Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in 
extremely
poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread chuck

Then there was the time Doug Clark got mad at me and got Travis to start 
another list.  I think it had something to do with KPP crashing AnimalFarm.  

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

actually i distinctly remember a "MOTORLA" and "MOTOROLA II" list... LOL

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck Hogg 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" 
listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the time, 
and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I was a 
vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some other 
distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list wasn't 
Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore.  I notified Chuck M of 
the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under me...and 
before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be taken over, 
Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and 
the AFMUG list was born.  A...the memories :)

  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> 
wrote:

Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the motorola@ 
list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list server went down and he 
said it was a h/w failure (while out of town? I don't remember if that was the 
case) and finally brought it back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. 
More accurately, the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted 
for a short time on the WISPA list serv?

I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

  You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

  The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t 
recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day Michael 
was mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was 
pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during 
a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

  Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG 
at the time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola specific 
- not that it was ever on topic anyway.

  There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s 
Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of 
hosting it.

  This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of 
people who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably shouldn’t 
say bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody 
else if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t 
really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to 
WISPA).

  Mark

On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a 
year.

You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, 
right?

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
happening again.

-Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in 
extremely
poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

actually i distinctly remember a "MOTORLA" and "MOTOROLA II" list... LOL

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck Hogg 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" 
listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the time, 
and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I was a 
vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some other 
distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list wasn't 
Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore.  I notified Chuck M of 
the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under me...and 
before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be taken over, 
Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and 
the AFMUG list was born.  A...the memories :)

  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> 
wrote:

Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the motorola@ 
list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list server went down and he 
said it was a h/w failure (while out of town? I don't remember if that was the 
case) and finally brought it back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. 
More accurately, the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted 
for a short time on the WISPA list serv?

I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

  You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

  The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t 
recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day Michael 
was mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was 
pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during 
a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

  Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG 
at the time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola specific 
- not that it was ever on topic anyway.

  There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s 
Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of 
hosting it.

  This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of 
people who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably shouldn’t 
say bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody 
else if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t 
really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to 
WISPA).

  Mark

On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a 
year.

You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, 
right?

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
happening again.

-Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in 
extremely
poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread chuck

Yep, dead of night with greasepaint on my face  a new list was born... 
again...

I can name names over at WISPA that caused the problem I still remember 
names.

But I think we have kinda patched things up.  
They have pretty much co-opted the whole AnimalFarm idea with my blessings and 
I get to go to the show once a year and see y’all.

As much as I would love to do an old fashioned AnimalFarm, I am too old and 
lazy to put on the show.  

From: Chuck Hogg 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer" 
listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the time, 
and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I was a 
vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some other 
distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list wasn't 
Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore.  I notified Chuck M of 
the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under me...and 
before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be taken over, 
Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the motorola@wispa list and 
the AFMUG list was born.  A...the memories :)

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:

  Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the motorola@ 
list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list server went down and he 
said it was a h/w failure (while out of town? I don't remember if that was the 
case) and finally brought it back up. But it was too late and AFMUG was born. 
More accurately, the "Motorola II" list was born, and I believe that was hosted 
for a short time on the WISPA list serv?

  I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

  On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t 
recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day Michael 
was mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was 
pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during 
a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG at 
the time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola specific - 
not that it was ever on topic anyway.

There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s 
Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of 
hosting it.

This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of 
people who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably shouldn’t 
say bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody 
else if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t 
really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to 
WISPA).

Mark


  On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...

  -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.

  You do realize that this list is my list, right?

  So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?

  I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
  But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

  Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
  happening again.

  -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
      To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

  I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
  business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in 
extremely
  poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.

  Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Chuck Hogg

Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer"
listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the
time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I
was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some
other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list
wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore.  I notified
Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under
me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be
taken over, Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the
motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was born.  A...the memories :)

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
wrote:

> Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the motorola@
> list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list server went down
> and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of town? I don't remember if
> that was the case) and finally brought it back up. But it was too late and
> AFMUG was born. More accurately, the "Motorola II" list was born, and I
> believe that was hosted for a short time on the WISPA list serv?
>
> I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.
>
> On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
>> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….
>>
>> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t
>> recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day
>> Michael was mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email -
>> and that was pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think
>> that was during a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.
>>
>> Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG
>> at the time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola
>> specific - not that it was ever on topic anyway.
>>
>> There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s
>> Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of
>> hosting it.
>>
>> This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of
>> people who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably
>> shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky)
>> but everybody else if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say
>> things I can’t really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say
>> without blowback to WISPA).
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a
>>> year.
>>>
>>> You do realize that this list is my list, right?
>>>
>>> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
>>>
>>> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
>>> But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.
>>>
>>> Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
>>> happening again.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?
>>>
>>> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
>>> business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in
>>> extremely
>>> poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

Prolly some extortion material in there somewhere...  :-)

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 13, 2018, at 5:29 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <m...@mailmt.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> That  brings  back  memories. July 7, 2008.  I still have over 100,000
> archived messages from that list.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com
> 
> --
> 
> Tuesday, February 13, 2018, 5:06:02 PM, you wrote:
> 
> MR> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….
> 
> MR> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.  
> MR> Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the
> MR> organization.   One day Michael was mad about something and posted
> MR> the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end of
> MR> Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a Animal
> MR> Farm session if I recall correctly.
> 
> MR> Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called
> MR> AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   Might have even
> MR> been Motorola specific - not that it was ever on topic anyway.
> 
> MR> There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes -
> MR> it’s Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for the 
> cost of hosting it.
> 
> MR> This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a
> MR> group of people who have known each other for a very long time.  
> MR> You probably shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg products (makes
> MR> Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else if fair game.  I like it
> MR> since it’s a place I can say things I can’t really say with a
> MR> WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to WISPA).
> 
> MR> Mark
> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> 
>>> I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.
>>> 
>>> You do realize that this list is my list, right?
>>> 
>>> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
>>> 
>>> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
>>> But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.
>>> 
>>> Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
>>> happening again.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> 
>>> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?
>>> 
>>> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
>>> business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely
>>> poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.
>>> 
>>> Jared
>>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Mark,

That  brings  back  memories. July 7, 2008.  I still have over 100,000
archived messages from that list.

-- 
Best regards,
 Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

--

Tuesday, February 13, 2018, 5:06:02 PM, you wrote:

MR> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

MR> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.  
MR> Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the
MR> organization.   One day Michael was mad about something and posted
MR> the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end of
MR> Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a Animal
MR> Farm session if I recall correctly.

MR> Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called
MR> AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   Might have even
MR> been Motorola specific - not that it was ever on topic anyway.

MR> There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes -
MR> it’s Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost 
of hosting it.

MR> This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a
MR> group of people who have known each other for a very long time.  
MR> You probably shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg products (makes
MR> Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else if fair game.  I like it
MR> since it’s a place I can say things I can’t really say with a
MR> WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to WISPA).

MR> Mark

>> On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>> Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> 
>> I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.
>> 
>> You do realize that this list is my list, right?
>> 
>> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
>> 
>> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
>> But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.
>> 
>> Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
>> happening again.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> 
>> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?
>> 
>> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
>> business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely
>> poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.
>> 
>> Jared
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread chuck

This list would be dead without those O-beer-thirty bits o’ poetry.


From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


with special commentator "That one guy steve..."


  - Original Message - 
  From: TJ Trout 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

  I enjoy the email check sends, it's always entertaining. 

  Sounds like you should just unsubscribe and head off to the UBNT forums!

  On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> 
wrote:

Why, thank you Jay!


Jeff Broadwick 
CTIconnect

312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Feb 13, 2018, at 4:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
wrote:



  i must get 20+ messages a month from various vendors.  mostly part of 
being a WISPA member.
  i glance at most...but most often just use shift-delete a whole lot.

  I can mention several things I have really appreciated getting from "spam"

  * Baicells Black Friday Deal
  * Jeff Broadwick's newsletter posts
  *  Chuck Mccown's product announcements

  I guess there are other product announcements I prefer too.

  I shop at Baltic a lot, i usually read their stuff
- Original Message - 
From: fiber...@mail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:25 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
    > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> You do realize that this list is my list, right?
  No, I did not know that. It doesn't say so when you sign up for the 
list. 

> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, 
right?
  Participating on the list isn't quite the same as inboxing me 
directly with a canned message. 

> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
  Your list, your rules. I still don't think it's cool to send out 
unsolicited commercial messages without an opt-in. Furthermore industry best 
practices include using a double opt-in. Mailchimp support double opt-in: 
https://kb.mailchimp.com/lists/signup-forms/about-double-opt-in

  In summary: I did not know that by joining the Af list I would, 
unbeknownst to me and surreptitiously, be signed up for another direct email 
list. 

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread George Skorup

.../sarcasm

On 2/13/2018 4:21 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

with special commentator "That one guy steve..."

- Original Message -
*From:* TJ Trout <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:06 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I enjoy the email check sends, it's always entertaining.

Sounds like you should just unsubscribe and head off to the UBNT
forums!

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists
<jeffl...@att.net <mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:

Why, thank you Jay!

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 <tel:%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
574-220-7826 <tel:%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>

On Feb 13, 2018, at 4:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
<par...@cyberbroadband.net <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:

i must get 20+ messages a month from various vendors.  mostly
part of being a WISPA member.
i glance at most...but most often just use shift-delete a
whole lot.
I can mention several things I have really appreciated
getting from "spam"
* Baicells Black Friday Deal
* Jeff Broadwick's newsletter posts
*  Chuck Mccown's product announcements
I guess there are other product announcements I prefer too.
I shop at Baltic a lot, i usually read their stuff

- Original Message -
*From:* fiber...@mail.com <mailto:fiber...@mail.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
        *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:25 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
    > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> You do realize that this list is my list, right?
  No, I did not know that. It doesn't say so when you
sign up for the list.

> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming 
you, right?
  Participating on the list isn't quite the same as
inboxing me directly with a canned message.

> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
  Your list, your rules. I still don't think it's cool to
send out unsolicited commercial messages without an
opt-in. Furthermore industry best practices include using
a double opt-in. Mailchimp support double opt-in:
https://kb.mailchimp.com/lists/signup-forms/about-double-opt-in
<https://kb.mailchimp.com/lists/signup-forms/about-double-opt-in>

  In summary: I did not know that by joining the Af list
I would, unbeknownst to me and surreptitiously, be signed
up for another direct email list.

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread George Skorup

Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the motorola@ 
list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list server went down 
and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of town? I don't remember if 
that was the case) and finally brought it back up. But it was too late 
and AFMUG was born. More accurately, the "Motorola II" list was born, 
and I believe that was hosted for a short time on the WISPA list serv?


I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.

On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t recall 
the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day Michael was 
mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was 
pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during 
a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG at the 
time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola specific - not 
that it was ever on topic anyway.

There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s Chuck’s 
list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of hosting it.

This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of people 
who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably shouldn’t say 
bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else 
if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t really say 
with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to WISPA).

Mark


On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.

You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
happening again.

-Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely
poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


with special commentator "That one guy steve..."


  - Original Message - 
  From: TJ Trout 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


  I enjoy the email check sends, it's always entertaining.


  Sounds like you should just unsubscribe and head off to the UBNT forums!


  On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> 
wrote:

Why, thank you Jay!


Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect

312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Feb 13, 2018, at 4:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
wrote:



  i must get 20+ messages a month from various vendors.  mostly part of 
being a WISPA member.
  i glance at most...but most often just use shift-delete a whole lot.

  I can mention several things I have really appreciated getting from "spam"

  * Baicells Black Friday Deal
  * Jeff Broadwick's newsletter posts
  *  Chuck Mccown's product announcements

  I guess there are other product announcements I prefer too.

  I shop at Baltic a lot, i usually read their stuff
- Original Message - 
From: fiber...@mail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:25 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
    > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> You do realize that this list is my list, right?
  No, I did not know that. It doesn't say so when you sign up for the 
list. 

> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, 
right?
  Participating on the list isn't quite the same as inboxing me 
directly with a canned message. 

> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
  Your list, your rules. I still don't think it's cool to send out 
unsolicited commercial messages without an opt-in. Furthermore industry best 
practices include using a double opt-in. Mailchimp support double opt-in: 
https://kb.mailchimp.com/lists/signup-forms/about-double-opt-in

  In summary: I did not know that by joining the Af list I would, 
unbeknownst to me and surreptitiously, be signed up for another direct email 
list. 

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


:)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


  Why, thank you Jay!


  Jeff Broadwick
  CTIconnect

  312-205-2519 Office
  574-220-7826 Cell
  jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

  On Feb 13, 2018, at 4:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
wrote:



i must get 20+ messages a month from various vendors.  mostly part of being 
a WISPA member.
i glance at most...but most often just use shift-delete a whole lot.

I can mention several things I have really appreciated getting from "spam"

* Baicells Black Friday Deal
* Jeff Broadwick's newsletter posts
*  Chuck Mccown's product announcements

I guess there are other product announcements I prefer too.

I shop at Baltic a lot, i usually read their stuff
  - Original Message - 
  From: fiber...@mail.com 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


  > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 
  > From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  > To: af@afmug.com
      > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  >
  > You do realize that this list is my list, right?
No, I did not know that. It doesn't say so when you sign up for the 
list. 

  > So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, 
right?
Participating on the list isn't quite the same as inboxing me directly 
with a canned message. 

  > I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
Your list, your rules. I still don't think it's cool to send out 
unsolicited commercial messages without an opt-in. Furthermore industry best 
practices include using a double opt-in. Mailchimp support double opt-in: 
https://kb.mailchimp.com/lists/signup-forms/about-double-opt-in

In summary: I did not know that by joining the Af list I would, 
unbeknownst to me and surreptitiously, be signed up for another direct email 
list. 

  Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

Mike “Bullit” Anderson.  He’s out in CA somewhere now.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 13, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
> 
> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….
> 
> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t recall 
> the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day Michael was 
> mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was 
> pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was 
> during a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.
> 
> Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG at 
> the time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola specific 
> - not that it was ever on topic anyway.
> 
> There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s Chuck’s 
> list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of hosting it.
> 
> This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of 
> people who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably 
> shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) 
> but everybody else if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say 
> things I can’t really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say 
> without blowback to WISPA).
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>> Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...
>> 
>> -Original Message----- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> 
>> I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.
>> 
>> You do realize that this list is my list, right?
>> 
>> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
>> 
>> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
>> But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.
>> 
>> Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
>> happening again.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> 
>> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?
>> 
>> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
>> business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely
>> poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.
>> 
>> Jared
>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Jon Langeler

We have to recognize your name to be able to complain...

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Feb 13, 2018, at 3:25 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:

>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> 
>> You do realize that this list is my list, right?
>  No, I did not know that. It doesn't say so when you sign up for the list. 
> 
>> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
>  Participating on the list isn't quite the same as inboxing me directly with 
> a canned message. 
> 
>> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
>  Your list, your rules. I still don't think it's cool to send out unsolicited 
> commercial messages without an opt-in. Furthermore industry best practices 
> include using a double opt-in. Mailchimp support double opt-in: 
> https://kb.mailchimp.com/lists/signup-forms/about-double-opt-in
> 
>  In summary: I did not know that by joining the Af list I would, unbeknownst 
> to me and surreptitiously, be signed up for another direct email list. 
> 
> Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Mike Hammett

Michael Anderson AKA Bullit (or Bullet, I don't remember). 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:06:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here…. 

The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA. Can’t recall the 
last name - Michael somebody ran the organization. One day Michael was mad 
about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty 
much the end of Part 15 and the list. I actually think that was during a Animal 
Farm session if I recall correctly. 

Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG at the 
time, but it later became that. Might have even been Motorola specific - not 
that it was ever on topic anyway. 

There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on. Yes - it’s Chuck’s 
list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of hosting it. 

This list has it’s advantages. It’s membership leans toward a group of people 
who have known each other for a very long time. You probably shouldn’t say bad 
things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else if 
fair game. I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t really say 
with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to WISPA). 

Mark 

> On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 
> 
> Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too... 
> 
> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 
> 
> I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year. 
> 
> You do realize that this list is my list, right? 
> 
> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right? 
> 
> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list. 
> But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp. 
> 
> Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp? That will prevent it from ever 
> happening again. 
> 
> -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 
> 
> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that? 
> 
> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any 
> business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely 
> poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets. 
> 
> Jared 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Mike Hammett

There's probably more important things to cry about. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: fiber...@mail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:25:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 

> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck 
> 
> You do realize that this list is my list, right? 
No, I did not know that. It doesn't say so when you sign up for the list. 

> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right? 
Participating on the list isn't quite the same as inboxing me directly with a 
canned message. 

> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list. 
Your list, your rules. I still don't think it's cool to send out unsolicited 
commercial messages without an opt-in. Furthermore industry best practices 
include using a double opt-in. Mailchimp support double opt-in: 
https://kb.mailchimp.com/lists/signup-forms/about-double-opt-in 

In summary: I did not know that by joining the Af list I would, unbeknownst to 
me and surreptitiously, be signed up for another direct email list. 

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread TJ Trout

I enjoy the email check sends, it's always entertaining.

Sounds like you should just unsubscribe and head off to the UBNT forums!

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net>
wrote:

> Why, thank you Jay!
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On Feb 13, 2018, at 4:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> i must get 20+ messages a month from various vendors.  mostly part of
> being a WISPA member.
> i glance at most...but most often just use shift-delete a whole lot.
>
> I can mention several things I have really appreciated getting from "spam"
>
> * Baicells Black Friday Deal
> * Jeff Broadwick's newsletter posts
> *  Chuck Mccown's product announcements
>
> I guess there are other product announcements I prefer too.
>
> I shop at Baltic a lot, i usually read their stuff
>
> - Original Message -----
> *From:* fiber...@mail.com
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:25 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> >
> > You do realize that this list is my list, right?
>   No, I did not know that. It doesn't say so when you sign up for the
> list.
>
> > So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
>   Participating on the list isn't quite the same as inboxing me directly
> with a canned message.
>
> > I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
>   Your list, your rules. I still don't think it's cool to send out
> unsolicited commercial messages without an opt-in. Furthermore industry
> best practices include using a double opt-in. Mailchimp support double
> opt-in: https://kb.mailchimp.com/lists/signup-forms/about-double-opt-in
>
>   In summary: I did not know that by joining the Af list I would,
> unbeknownst to me and surreptitiously, be signed up for another direct
> email list.
>
> Jared
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Mark Radabaugh

You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….

The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t recall 
the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day Michael was 
mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was 
pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during 
a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.

Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG at the 
time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola specific - not 
that it was ever on topic anyway.

There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s Chuck’s 
list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of hosting it.

This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of people 
who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably shouldn’t say 
bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else 
if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say things I can’t really say 
with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to WISPA).

Mark

> On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...
> 
> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> 
> I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.
> 
> You do realize that this list is my list, right?
> 
> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
> 
> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
> But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.
> 
> Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
> happening again.
> 
> -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> 
> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?
> 
> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
> business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely
> poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.
> 
> Jared
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

Why, thank you Jay!

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 13, 2018, at 4:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
> wrote:
> 
>  
> i must get 20+ messages a month from various vendors.  mostly part of being a 
> WISPA member.
> i glance at most...but most often just use shift-delete a whole lot.
>  
> I can mention several things I have really appreciated getting from "spam"
>  
> * Baicells Black Friday Deal
> * Jeff Broadwick's newsletter posts
> *  Chuck Mccown's product announcements
>  
> I guess there are other product announcements I prefer too.
>  
> I shop at Baltic a lot, i usually read their stuff
> - Original Message -
> From: fiber...@mail.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> 
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> >
> > You do realize that this list is my list, right?
>   No, I did not know that. It doesn't say so when you sign up for the list. 
> 
> > So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
>   Participating on the list isn't quite the same as inboxing me directly with 
> a canned message. 
> 
> > I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
>   Your list, your rules. I still don't think it's cool to send out 
> unsolicited commercial messages without an opt-in. Furthermore industry best 
> practices include using a double opt-in. Mailchimp support double opt-in: 
> https://kb.mailchimp.com/lists/signup-forms/about-double-opt-in
> 
>   In summary: I did not know that by joining the Af list I would, unbeknownst 
> to me and surreptitiously, be signed up for another direct email list. 
> 
> Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Adam Moffett

That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis enlargement 
spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge protectors and power 
systems and network equipment.


Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to the list 
anymore... for some reason gmail puts it in my afmug folder.


The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them more than 
once because my other email address is on Chuck's list too, but I don't 
care enough to bother unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam 
about stuff that I'm interested in.


On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from the spam but 
not the list.  And Mail Chimp will never ever ever ever let me send 
that person anything again for all of eternity.  They rate the quality 
of lists for how many bounces, unsubscribes etc.  I have a pretty good 
rating with them.


The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and swap fest.

BTW, my distributors have spam rights too.  But only on Friday 
morning.


I prefer the list to be free from spam like it is now compared to 
before.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


I hope that was someone being humorous...  Otherwise...
#OFFWITHTHEIRHEAD  ...   Come on, Chuck's products are about the most
worthy of any vendor I know.   And POE fuses...  It's a fricken 
godsend!!!


BTW I need to by a bunch and wish I could buy the little racks with
them..   Oh well, amazon...


Robert

On 02/13/2018 11:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a 
year.


You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, 
right?


I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from 
ever happening again.


-Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done 
any business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in 
extremely poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.


Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


i must get 20+ messages a month from various vendors.  mostly part of being a 
WISPA member.
i glance at most...but most often just use shift-delete a whole lot.

I can mention several things I have really appreciated getting from "spam"

* Baicells Black Friday Deal
* Jeff Broadwick's newsletter posts
*  Chuck Mccown's product announcements

I guess there are other product announcements I prefer too.

I shop at Baltic a lot, i usually read their stuff
  - Original Message - 
  From: fiber...@mail.com 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck


  > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 
  > From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
  >
  > You do realize that this list is my list, right?
No, I did not know that. It doesn't say so when you sign up for the list. 

  > So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
Participating on the list isn't quite the same as inboxing me directly with 
a canned message. 

  > I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
Your list, your rules. I still don't think it's cool to send out 
unsolicited commercial messages without an opt-in. Furthermore industry best 
practices include using a double opt-in. Mailchimp support double opt-in: 
https://kb.mailchimp.com/lists/signup-forms/about-double-opt-in

In summary: I did not know that by joining the Af list I would, unbeknownst 
to me and surreptitiously, be signed up for another direct email list. 

  Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Mathew Howard

Ha... I never even realized that those weren't going to the list anymore...
for some reason gmail puts it in my afmug folder.

The only thing that's slightly annoying is that I get them more than once
because my other email address is on Chuck's list too, but I don't care
enough to bother unsubscribing... I actually like getting spam about stuff
that I'm interested in.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from the spam but not
> the list.  And Mail Chimp will never ever ever ever let me send that person
> anything again for all of eternity.  They rate the quality of lists for how
> many bounces, unsubscribes etc.  I have a pretty good rating with them.
>
> The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and swap fest.
>
> BTW, my distributors have spam rights too.  But only on Friday morning.
>
> I prefer the list to be free from spam like it is now compared to before.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
>
> I hope that was someone being humorous...  Otherwise...
> #OFFWITHTHEIRHEAD  ...   Come on, Chuck's products are about the most
> worthy of any vendor I know.   And POE fuses...  It's a fricken godsend!!!
>
> BTW I need to by a bunch and wish I could buy the little racks with
> them..   Oh well, amazon...
>
>
> Robert
>
> On 02/13/2018 11:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.
>>
>> You do realize that this list is my list, right?
>>
>> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
>>
>> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
>> But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.
>>
>> Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
>> happening again.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?
>>
>> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
>> business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely
>> poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.
>>
>> Jared
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread fiberrun

> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> You do realize that this list is my list, right?
  No, I did not know that. It doesn't say so when you sign up for the list. 

> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
  Participating on the list isn't quite the same as inboxing me directly with a 
canned message. 

> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
  Your list, your rules. I still don't think it's cool to send out unsolicited 
commercial messages without an opt-in. Furthermore industry best practices 
include using a double opt-in. Mailchimp support double opt-in: 
https://kb.mailchimp.com/lists/signup-forms/about-double-opt-in

  In summary: I did not know that by joining the Af list I would, unbeknownst 
to me and surreptitiously, be signed up for another direct email list. 

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Jaime Solorza

Make it a play..call it SpamAllot

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 12:59 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Hey, no harm, no foul.  I presume you just didn't know.
>
> -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?
>
> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
> business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely
> poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.
>
> Jared
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Chuck McCown

Hey, no harm, no foul.  I presume you just didn't know.

-Original Message- 
From: fiber...@mail.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any 
business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely 
poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Chuck McCown

Doing it this way, someone can simply unsubscribe from the spam but not the 
list.  And Mail Chimp will never ever ever ever let me send that person 
anything again for all of eternity.  They rate the quality of lists for how 
many bounces, unsubscribes etc.  I have a pretty good rating with them.


The alternative is going back to the Friday spam and swap fest.

BTW, my distributors have spam rights too.  But only on Friday morning.

I prefer the list to be free from spam like it is now compared to before.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I hope that was someone being humorous...  Otherwise...
#OFFWITHTHEIRHEAD  ...   Come on, Chuck's products are about the most
worthy of any vendor I know.   And POE fuses...  It's a fricken godsend!!!

BTW I need to by a bunch and wish I could buy the little racks with
them..   Oh well, amazon...


Robert

On 02/13/2018 11:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.

You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever 
happening again.


-Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any 
business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in 
extremely poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.


Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Robert Andrews

I hope that was someone being humorous...  Otherwise... 
#OFFWITHTHEIRHEAD  ...   Come on, Chuck's products are about the most 
worthy of any vendor I know.   And POE fuses...  It's a fricken godsend!!!


BTW I need to by a bunch and wish I could buy the little racks with 
them..   Oh well, amazon...



Robert

On 02/13/2018 11:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.

You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever 
happening again.


-Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any 
business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in 
extremely poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.


Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread chuck

Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...

-Original Message- 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.

You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
happening again.

-Original Message- 
From: fiber...@mail.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely
poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread chuck


I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.

You do realize that this list is my list, right?

So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?

I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.

Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever 
happening again.


-Original Message- 
From: fiber...@mail.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any 
business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely 
poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.


Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread Josh Baird

This is his list.  I guess you could opt out if you don't want to receive
email from him.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:

> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?
>
> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
> business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely
> poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.
>
> Jared
>

[AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

2018-02-13 Thread fiberrun

I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?

I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any 
business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely 
poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets. 

Jared

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