Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-09-02 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I keep thinking there ought to be ones that read "My > kid is on academic > probation at School X" or "My kid is on permanent > detention at School X" . . . I *have* seen a "My kid beat up your honor student!" bumper sticker, at least twice. It

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-31 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:52 PM 8/31/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 09:34:45AM -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: > > > So the parent was putting up the articles 'cause he was proud of his > > son, why were you putting the loosing articles up? > > Fair and balanced reporting?

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-31 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia Thompson wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 09:34:45AM -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: So the parent was putting up the articles 'cause he was proud of his son, why were you putting the loosing articles up? Fair and balanced reporting? If there's a limited amount of bulletin

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-31 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 12:52 PM 8/31/2003 -0500, you wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 09:34:45AM -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: > > > So the parent was putting up the articles 'cause he was proud of his > > son, why were you putting the loosing articles up? > > Fair and balanced reporting? If there'

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-31 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 09:34:45AM -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: > > > So the parent was putting up the articles 'cause he was proud of his > > son, why were you putting the loosing articles up? > > Fair and balanced reporting? If there's a limited amount of bulletin board

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-31 Thread Doug Pensinger
Kevin Tarr wrote: Did anyone write a rebuttal? Was it obvious who posted the article? Where I have worked, everything had to be pre-approved, with a set posting date. Even if you were selling a car or announcing a co-worker having a baby. Where I'm at now, there are no rules. Postings go up tha

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-31 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 12:49 AM 8/31/2003 -0500, you wrote: At 09:21 PM 8/30/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: "Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > At one institution where I was filling in for their astronomy prof while he > was on sabbatical, someone had posted an article from some education > newsletter on the bulletin boa

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-31 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 09:34:45AM -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: > So the parent was putting up the articles 'cause he was proud of his > son, why were you putting the loosing articles up? Fair and balanced reporting? -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ __

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-31 Thread Julia Thompson
"Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > At 09:21 PM 8/30/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: > >"Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > > > > > At one institution where I was filling in for their astronomy prof while he > > > was on sabbatical, someone had posted an article from some education > > > newsletter on the bul

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-31 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:21 PM 8/30/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: "Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > At one institution where I was filling in for their astronomy prof while he > was on sabbatical, someone had posted an article from some education > newsletter on the bulletin board in the faculty office area in which th

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-31 Thread Julia Thompson
"Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > At one institution where I was filling in for their astronomy prof while he > was on sabbatical, someone had posted an article from some education > newsletter on the bulletin board in the faculty office area in which the > author explained why it was inconceivable th

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-31 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:11 AM 8/30/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: William T Goodall wrote: > > On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 09:34 pm, Kevin Tarr wrote: > > > (I know, English isn't his first language)(And I'm not assuming he is > > Democrat, but 41 percent of the other teacher's failed and I'd lay > > odds that

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-30 Thread Julia Thompson
William T Goodall wrote: > > On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 09:34 pm, Kevin Tarr wrote: > > > (I know, English isn't his first language)(And I'm not assuming he is > > Democrat, but 41 percent of the other teacher's failed and I'd lay > > odds that more than half of those who failed are.) > > >

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-30 Thread William T Goodall
On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 09:34 pm, Kevin Tarr wrote: At 01:10 PM 8/29/2003 +0100, you wrote: On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 03:42 am, Doug Pensinger wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: Chomsky just speaks to elites - like you. That's where his power comes from. I can see we're going to need a

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-29 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 01:10 PM 8/29/2003 +0100, you wrote: On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 03:42 am, Doug Pensinger wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: Chomsky just speaks to elites - like you. That's where his power comes from. I can see we're going to need a definition of elite before we continue this discussion. I

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-29 Thread Ray Ludenia
Doug Pensinger wrote: > Gautam Mukunda wrote: > >> Chomsky just speaks to elites - like you. That's >> where his power comes from. > > I can see we're going to need a definition of elite before we > continue this discussion. I don't know how I could be considered > elite in any sense of the wo

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-29 Thread William T Goodall
On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 03:42 am, Doug Pensinger wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: Chomsky just speaks to elites - like you. That's where his power comes from. I can see we're going to need a definition of elite before we continue this discussion. I don't know how I could be considered elit

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Chomsky just speaks to elites - like you. That's where his power comes from. I can see we're going to need a definition of elite before we continue this discussion. I don't know how I could be considered elite in any sense of the word. Doug _

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-28 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gautam Mukunda wrote: > No, I think the guy that has an audience of millions > that take him > very seriously and lies about a hell of a lot more > than the poverty > rate in the '50s is far worse than some guy most of > us haven't even > heard of

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam Mukunda wrote: They do. One says that Pol Pot was a pretty good guy. The other was wrong about poverty rates in the 1950s. Do you really think that they're the same? No, I think the guy that has an audience of millions that take him very seriously and lies about a hell of a lot more tha

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-26 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't see the difference between not criticizing > Chomsky, and not > criticizing Limbaugh. They both spout a lot of kooky > things. Your > argument about speaking without a script is a > rationalization -- if > Limbaugh cannot avoid ad-libbing all the

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> How about if we change Jan's statement to something like: > > C) everyone [who wants to own a gun and who has not been convicted of a > violent crime or diagnosed with a serious mental or emotional illness] > should [be allowed to choose to] have a gun. > > Can we all agree with that? > No. I

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: No. On the flip side, if I'm a law-abiding citizen who knows how to handle and use a gun, should I be relegated to second-class status because I choose to own and carry a gun? From an earlier post of mine: All that being said, there are too much a cult of arms in this

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:23:46 EDT > How about if we change Jan's statement to something like: > > C) ev

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:01 PM 8/8/03 -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: No. On the flip side, if I'm a law-abiding citizen who knows how to handle and use a gun, should I be relegated to second-class status because I choose to own and carry a gun? From an earlier post of mine: All that being s

RE: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Jon Gabriel
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Pensinger > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:40 AM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 01:20 AM 8/11/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: > > >--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > But you made the claim that an armed society is a polite society. > > > You haven't backed up that claim with _any_ statistics or studies.

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jan Coffey wrote: --- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: statistics gatheing techniqes vary and therefore are not comparable. Bullsh*t. Or at least bullsh*t until you provide evidence that the above is true, or your own statistics that use the same "gathering technique

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jan Coffey wrote: statistics gatheing techniqes vary and therefore are not comparable. Bullsh*t. Or at least bullsh*t until you provide evidence that the above is true, or your own statistics that use the same "gathering techniques" or that make the necessary corrections. And even if gathering

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 12:43:07PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > half that wide). Similarly, had the man in Spain (sorry, I forgot > his name) lost control of his car and been killed in the wreck, he > could have been counted as a person killed by a meteorite. So with > such a smal

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 01:20 AM 8/11/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But you made the claim that an armed society is a polite society. > You haven't backed up that claim with _any_ statistics or studies. Sorry I never made that claim. I did not and do not believe that an

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Bryon Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that some gun rights advocates have almost the same "slippery > slope" > mentality that some abortion rights advocates do, where even moderate and > seemingly resaonable laws are fought against tooth and nail by the pro-* > side, because they

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Julia Thompson
Ray Ludenia wrote: > > Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > > > C) everyone [who wants to own a gun and who has not been convicted of a > > violent crime or diagnosed with a serious mental or emotional illness] > > should [be allowed to choose to] have a gun. > > > > Can we all agree with that? > > Most de

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread William T Goodall
On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 09:20 am, Jan Coffey wrote: The simple truth is that without conceled carry, the only ones with guns are the criminals. The power of leathal force is in the hands alone of the very people we would prefer did not have that power. With conceled carry there is a bala

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:03 AM 8/8/03 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:23:46 EDT > How about if we change Jan'

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 11:07 AM 8/11/03 -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: The simple truth is that without conceled carry, the only ones with guns are the criminals. You see, that's a false statement. Other people, have guns, most of them aren't packing, but they do have them. And still others are per

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (And, oh yes: Texas does not have less crime than other states.) For instance, the murder rate in Texas in 2000 was 5.9 http://www.cjpc.state.tx.us/stattabs/crimeintexas/00CrimeSection_U.pdf While the rate in New York for the same year was 5.0 http://www.disastercenter

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/10/2003 3:55:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > This very concept is now being chalanged. Not the spoken ability, but the > assumption made by chomsky et. al. that writen ability is > also inate is now > under an increasing amount of attack. I am no li

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:47 PM 8/5/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: "Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > At 05:15 PM 8/4/03 -0700, Chad Cooper wrote: > > > > >Wait a sec... > >I see 50% of all automobiles with at least an American Flag decal, and a > >fair percentage with an actual flag. Those that use the flag in hate are >

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Jan Coffey
--- William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 09:20 am, Jan Coffey wrote: > > > > The simple truth is that without conceled carry, the only ones with > > guns are > > the criminals. The power of leathal force is in the hands alone of the > > very > > peopl

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Jan Coffey
statistics gatheing techniqes vary and therefore are not comparable. --- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > (And, oh yes: Texas does not have less > > crime than other states.) > > For instance, the murder rate in Texas in 2000 was 5.9 > > http://www.cjpc.s

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jan Coffey wrote: But you made the claim that an armed society is a polite society. You haven't backed up that claim with _any_ statistics or studies. Until you do provide data, you're claims are bogus. Sorry I never made that claim. I did not and do not believe that an armed society would be

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> So the only people you want carrying guns is criminals? You want everyone > else, every law abiding citizen to be at the mercy of gun toting criminals? > I think I'm being baited here, because I don't see any other way what I'm saying could be so completely misunderstood. But just in case this

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Jan Coffey
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So the only people you want carrying guns is criminals? You want everyone > > else, every law abiding citizen to be at the mercy of gun toting > criminals? > > > > I think I'm being baited here, because I don't see any other way what I'm > saying could be so com

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >[someone else wrote:] > > How about if we change Jan's statement to > something like: > > > > C) everyone [who wants to own a gun and who has > not been convicted of a > > violent crime or diagnosed with a serious mental > or emotional illness] > > should [be allow

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 8/3/2003 12:54:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > > Now, I think both of them are very important figures, > > because they are extremely influential. One is the > > single most cited living intellectual. The other > > ed

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Jan Coffey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:20 AM Subject: Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination > > --- Doug Pensinger <

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Bryon Daly
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > So the only people you want carrying guns is criminals? You want everyone > else, every law abiding citizen to be at the mercy of gun toting criminals? > I think I'm being baited here, because I don't see any other way what I'm saying could be so completely misundersto

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 04:28:52PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > > If the asterisks are supposed to refer to a footnote, the footnote is > missing. He did give a URL. ** Standard Population is 2000, all races, both sexes. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.ne

RE: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:15 PM 8/4/03 -0700, Chad Cooper wrote: >-Original Message- >From: David Hobby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 6:57 PM >To: Killer Bs Discussion >Subject: Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price >discrimination > > >&g

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 04:40:27PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > Given that the total number of known human¹ deaths due to being struck > by a meteorite stands at zero, of what meaning is the figure they > quote? A number of cars have been struck by small meteorites over the years, according t

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:57 PM 8/7/03 -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: C) everyone should have a gun. I don't want one and neither do a substantial number of people in the country, possibly approaching a majority. Are we all relegated to second class status because we refuse to carry a gun? No. O

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> - If guns were made completely illegal (which I gather is your preference > from the "I don't want ANYONE to carry guns" statement), do you think that > would keep them out of the hands of criminals? > Actually, I do not want to completely criminalize guns. I think people who hunt or target pr

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jan Coffey wrote: > > statistics gatheing techniqes vary and therefore are not comparable. > > Bullsh*t. Or at least bullsh*t until you provide evidence that the > above is true, or your own statistics that use the same "gathering > techniques" o

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-11 Thread Jan Coffey
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 8/3/2003 12:54:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Now, I think both of them are very important figures, > > because they are extremely influential. One is the > > single most cited living intellectual. The other > > e

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-11 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jan Coffey wrote: > > --- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Jan Coffey wrote: > >> > >>>statistics gatheing techniqes vary and therefore are not comparable. > >> > >>Bullsh*t. Or at least bullsh*t until you provide evidence that the

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-11 Thread Ray Ludenia
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > C) everyone [who wants to own a gun and who has not been convicted of a > violent crime or diagnosed with a serious mental or emotional illness] > should [be allowed to choose to] have a gun. > > Can we all agree with that? Most definitely not! Anyone who wants to own

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-10 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:57 PM 8/10/03 +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > C) everyone [who wants to own a gun and who has not been convicted of a > violent crime or diagnosed with a serious mental or emotional illness] > should [be allowed to choose to] have a gun. > > Can we all agree with that? Mo

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-10 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/3/2003 12:54:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Now, I think both of them are very important figures, > because they are extremely influential. One is the > single most cited living intellectual. The other > edits the most important magazine of th Left

RE: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-10 Thread Jon Gabriel
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:29 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination > > > > >I

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-09 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:28 PM 8/8/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: Note that deaths are usually quoted as a number per 100,000 people, which is the case above. For comparison, below I've listed some other death rates (mostly from NSC's web page). Note that the rate for deaths from falls is 20 times that quoted above fo

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-09 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:57 PM 8/8/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 04:40:27PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > Given that the total number of known human¹ deaths due to being struck > by a meteorite stands at zero, of what meaning is the figure they > quote? A number of cars have been struck by

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:03:03AM -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: > I'm in complete agreement with this. Me too. I first heard the idea of licensing guns similar to cars from a post by David Brin here. Sounds like a good system to me. > Since someone had mentioned this, I thought I'd post it. > http:

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-09 Thread Jan Coffey
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > How about if we change Jan's statement to something like: > > > > C) everyone [who wants to own a gun and who has not been convicted of a > > violent crime or diagnosed with a serious mental or emotional illness] > > should [be allowed to choose to] have a gun. >

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-08 Thread Reggie Bautista
Guatam wrote: I don't doubt that Limbaugh makes mistakes. He speaks for, what, 2 hours a day, five days a week, 40+ weeks a year, without a script? _Of course_ he makes mistakes. I have a memory for policy minutiae that verges on the photographic, and I make mistakes on this list. I shudder to

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-08 Thread Jan Coffey
> > Will give US accidental gun death statistics for years through 2000. > > > > For 2000 > > Number of Deaths 776 > > Population 275,264,999 > > Crude Rate 0.28 > > Age-Adjusted Rate** 0.28 > > > > Note that deaths are usually quoted as a number per 100,000 people, > which is the case above. Fo

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-07 Thread TomFODW
> IOW, you (pl.) say you don't "prefer it if ONLY criminals carry weapons", > you (pl.) just want to change the law so everyone who carries a weapon is > by definition a criminal . . . > I didn't say that, and I didn't say anything about criminalizing guns. It is my belief that there are relativ

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam Mukunda wrote: I don't doubt that Limbaugh makes mistakes. He speaks for, what, 2 hours a day, five days a week, 40+ weeks a year, without a script? _Of course_ he makes mistakes. I have a memory for policy minutiae that verges on the photographic, and I make mistakes on this list. I sh

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:31 PM 8/4/03 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-04 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 07:34:51PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > --- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perhaps I've misunderstood your argument, Gauatam, but it seems to > > me you are quite close to arguing a tautology: those on the Left > > do not criticize Leftist extremists, and thos

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-04 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:24:34 -0400 On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 04:21

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-04 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 04:21:37PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: > Reggie Bautista wrote: > > > LIMBAUGH: "The worst of all of this is the lie that condoms really > > protect against AIDS. The condom failure rate can be as high as 20 > > percent. Would you get on a plane -- or put your children on

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-04 Thread Julia Thompson
Reggie Bautista wrote: > LIMBAUGH: "The worst of all of this is the lie that condoms really protect > against AIDS. The condom failure rate can be as high as 20 percent. Would > you get on a plane -- or put your children on a plane -- if one of five > passengers would be killed on the flight? Well

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-04 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Reggie Bautista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Guatam replied: > >How arrogant. Basically your argument is that > >Limbaugh is popular because he tricks the stupid > >average Americans who listen to him, who are too > dumb > >and foolish to see through him - unlike the great > and > >wise Tom, w

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-04 Thread Reggie Bautista
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > He loves America - while hating all kinds of > Americans who don't happen to be > exactly like him. Rush Limbaugh succeeds by lying to > the public, by pandering > to their prejudices and to their completely > misplaced resentments and grudges > and envies and greeds.

RE: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-04 Thread Ritu
Gautam Mukunda wrote: > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > He loves America - while hating all kinds of > > Americans who don't happen to be > > exactly like him. Rush Limbaugh succeeds by lying to > > the public, by pandering > > to their prejudices and to their completely > > misplaced resentme

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-04 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you mean "there > are certainly > _individual_ conservatives who support Coulter or > Falwell, but on the whole > they are persona non grata on the right."? > > JDG You're exactly right. Oops :-( = Gauta

RE: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-04 Thread Ritu
Tom Beck wrote: > The antidote to offensive speech is MORE speech, not less. I think sometimes > people misinterpret politeness and civility as silence. And silence as acquiescence. This is something I completely agree with. Silence often ends up meaning that one lets the ridiculous memes hold

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-04 Thread TomFODW
> Display and interpret any symbol the way > you wish to. If others get offended, it is their problem, not yours. > As long as *all* they do is feel offended. There have been reports, for example, of Jews in some European countries being attacked for wearing kippot, stars of David, and other Je

RE: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-04 Thread Ritu
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > > > > > IOW, why should I "fight fair" in > > > defending the good > > > aspects of a symbol if others do not fight fair in contaminating it? > > > > Only one reason would make sense: that you believe in fighting fair and > > do not wish to pattern your behaviour on othe

RE: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-04 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:23 PM 8/4/03 +0530, Ritu wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > What's fair about the "others" contaminating a symbol I > respect with things > I don't believe in? Nothing. But then again, there is nothing unfair in it either. It's *their* interpretation of the symbol. You may challenge it if you

RE: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-04 Thread Ritu
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > What's fair about the "others" contaminating a symbol I > respect with things > I don't believe in? Nothing. But then again, there is nothing unfair in it either. It's *their* interpretation of the symbol. You may challenge it if you wish to but that doesn't mean tha

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-03 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 09:57 PM 8/3/03 -0400, David Hobby wrote: Where have you been? Everybody uses symbols differently, of course. But I saw many flying the flag who seemed to do so out of some mix of patriotism, jingoism and hate. (Anyway, they would say things like "Kill all Ara

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-03 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:57 PM 8/3/03 -0400, David Hobby wrote: Where have you been? Everybody uses symbols differently, of course. But I saw many flying the flag who seemed to do so out of some mix of patriotism, jingoism and hate. (Anyway, they would say things like "Kill all Arabs!") When others

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-03 Thread David Hobby
Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > --- David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, I feel it is reasonable to call the US flag a > > "symbol of hatred", in the sense that many who wave > > it most > > fervently do so partially out of hate. You seem to > > have > > removed all of the modifiers fr

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-03 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 07:34 PM 8/3/2003 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote: >Hi Erik. No, I don't think I'm arguing that. There >are certainly _individual_ conservatives who don't >support Coulter or Falwell, but on the whole they are >persona non grata on the right. They have no >constituency, no influence. Michael Moor

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-03 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > He loves America - while hating all kinds of > Americans who don't happen to be > exactly like him. Rush Limbaugh succeeds by lying to > the public, by pandering > to their prejudices and to their completely > misplaced resentments and grudges > and envies and gree

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-03 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps I've misunderstood your argument, Gauatam, > but it seems to me > you are quite close to arguing a tautology: those on > the Left do not > criticize Leftist extremists, and those who don't > criticize Leftist > extremists are lumped into the Left

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-03 Thread TomFODW
> One of the reasons that people > like Rush Limbaugh are so successful at speaking to > the American public is that - unlike their opponents - > they _like_ the public.  I have lots of problems with > Rush.  But he loves America, and he loves Americans. > The American people rather like that and t

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-03 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I feel it is reasonable to call the US flag a > "symbol of hatred", in the sense that many who wave > it most > fervently do so partially out of hate. You seem to > have > removed all of the modifiers from your restatement. > For compa

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-03 Thread David Hobby
> > No, David, you proved my much larger point. > Congratulations, _you_ are the perfect example for why > the left has no relevance to American politics today. > You pegged it in one - I do say you're an extremist > too. If you really feel that it's reasonable to call > the American flag a symbo

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-03 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 08:40:53AM -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: > Perhaps I've misunderstood your argument, Gauatam, but it seems to me ^^^ Gautam Sorry about that! -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-03 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 09:54:16PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > They _are_. But their counterexamples aren't. You, Tom, are so far > gone in your hatred of everyone who disagrees with you that you can't > see that there are people on your side of the fence who are equally > vile as Coulter and

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-03 Thread TomFODW
> The other edits the most important magazine of th Left.  > I can't even reply to the other points, most of which seem to be personal attacks. However, The Nation is not "the most important magazine of the left." It has a tiny circulation. I can't even remember the last time I snuck a peak at

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-02 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Huh? What does that mean? How does what he said > prove the case? It seems to > me the opposite. She has been put forward as an > example of an extremist whom > liberals should denounce. But the examples given > make her seem somewhat less > extreme to me than, say

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-02 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This argument has many flaws, but the most > important > one is that I do not have any clear idea of who > Katha Pollit > is, and might well have misspelled her name > repeatedly. : ) > I was responding to YOUR examples of her > "extremism".

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-02 Thread David Hobby
Gautam Mukunda wrote: ... > > When others have contaminated a symbol with things > > one > > does not believe in, one reasonable response is to > > avoid using > > the symbol. (Another is to attempt to "reclaim" it, > > but either > > should be fair.) > > So her rhetoric is over-the-to

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-02 Thread TomFODW
> >     So her rhetoric is over-the-top, but her basic > > position > > doesn't seem too far out. > > The prosecution rests. > Huh? What does that mean? How does what he said prove the case? It seems to me the opposite. She has been put forward as an example of an extremist whom liberals shoul

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-02 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where have you been? Everybody uses symbols > differently, > of course. But I saw many flying the flag who > seemed to do so out > of some mix of patriotism, jingoism and hate. > (Anyway, they would > say things like "Kill all Arabs!") > W

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-02 Thread David Hobby
Gautam Mukunda wrote: ... > > Katha Pollitt, among many other things, famously > forbade her daughter from flying an American flag > after September 11th because it was a symbol of, IIRC, > jingoism and hate. > > If that _doesn't_ bother you, then it explains why the > left has no traction in the

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