At 12:17 PM 3/18/03 -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote:
George wrote:
I've been putting off Delany because my one experience with him was
Dahlgren -- HATED IT! I'm afraid the two mentioned above will be more
of the same. Nevertheless, I will eveentually read them.
I've read _Dahlgren_ (and yes
William T Goodall wrote:
I've read all of those and none would be in my top five...which would
be (a tough call and in date order)
-1968 Lord of Light Roger Zelazny
-1970 The Left Hand of Darkness Ursula K LeGuin
- 1985 Neuromancer William Gibson
- 1990 Hyperion Dan Simmons
- 2000 A
At 06:13 PM 3/18/03 +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
I have all of these but something keeps jumping past them in my want to read
list. I've been putting off Delany because my one experience with him was
Dahlgren -- HATED IT!
After many years of hearing comments on it, I finally heard from _one_
On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 10:55 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 06:13 PM 3/18/03 +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
I have all of these but something keeps jumping past them in my want
to read
list. I've been putting off Delany because my one experience with
him was
Dahlgren -- HATED IT!
After
On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 09:13 am, G. D. Akin wrote:
William T Goodall wrote:
- 1966Babel-17
Samuel R.
Delany
- 1968Einstein Intersection
Samuel
R.
Delany
- 1971A Time of Changes Robert
Silverberg
- 1981The
George wrote:
I've been putting off Delany because my one experience with him was
Dahlgren -- HATED IT! I'm afraid the two mentioned above will be more of
the same. Nevertheless, I will eveentually read them.
I've read _Dahlgren_ (and yes Ronn!, I actually read it all the way through
:-), and
G. D. Akin wrote:
I really enjoyed Hyperion (as well as the three sequels) and A Deepness
in the Sky. I'd put the rest as average or below.
I absolutely loved Hyperion (I'd rate it 10/10), but the series went downhill a bit
from there, for me, (although, even the last book, my least favorite,
William T Goodall wrote:
My list of authors I have never read a whole novel by consists of
Hemingway[2] + everybody else I was supposed to read at school...unless
they were a sf/fantasy/horror writer.
I don't care for Hemmingway, either, based on the one book of his I did read -
The Sun Also
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At 06:13 PM 3/18/03 +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
I have all
Julia Thompson asked
OK, I haven't read Gateway yet (wasn't there a book preceding it that I
really ought to read first?), but I've read the others and enjoyed them.
I've read both versions of Stranger, but a few years apart. (Summer of
1988 as opposed to spring of 1991)
Gateway was the
Julia Thompson wrote:
OK, I haven't read Gateway yet (wasn't there a book
preceding it that I really ought to read first?),
Nope, Gateway is the first book in the series. I think
there may be one or two short stories in _The Gateway Trip_
that were *set* before Gateway, but they were written
Steve Sloan II wrote:
Nope, Gateway is the first book in the series. I think
there may be one or two short stories in _The Gateway Trip_
that were *set* before Gateway, but they were written later.
On second thought, George is right. There was a story set in
the same universe that was written
On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 01:22 am, G. D. Akin wrote:
Julia asked
What are your favorites of all the Hugo novels?
Julia
Tough question! I'll pick my top five in no particular order.
- 1978 Gateway Frederick
--- Lalith Vipulananthan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Debbi wrote:
snippage
instead the reader is asked to
accept that a violent, brutal act is the first
impulse of a hero. :P
Well, this forms part of the fundamental reason why
the first Covenant
trilogy strays from the majority of
From: Doug Pensinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I did not like the first book of that series but thought the
second one was
OK. I hate books where the main character is pathetic. And
the woman in
that book was pretty pathetic in the first one. But she got
better in the
second...
Steve Sloan II wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
OK, I haven't read Gateway yet (wasn't there a book
preceding it that I really ought to read first?),
Nope, Gateway is the first book in the series. I think
there may be one or two short stories in _The Gateway Trip_
that were *set* before Gateway,
Julia wrote:
What are your favorites of all the Hugo novels?
George A. replied:
Tough question!
[top 5 snipped]
Worst (IMO) tie
- 1963The Man in the High CastlePhilip K. Dick
So it's not just me! I've never gotten more than about a third of the way
through it. I'm generally a PKD fan,
G. D. Akin wrote:
Julia asked
G. D. Akin wrote:
Sheesh, I hope not. I've never read his works, but I will soon read his
Claw of the Conciliator which won a Nebula a few years back. I'm
trying to read all the Hugo (actually, done that) and Nebula Award
winners. Just a goal.
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Julia Thompson wrote:
I thought The Big Time wasn't the best I'd ever read, but it was
entertaining, at least.
It's been a long time since I read The Big Time, but remember enjoying it.
Then, I love just about anything by Fritz Leiber. He's a genre stylist
who writes
Kevin Tarr wrote:
I also don't like Stephen got my thesaurus right beside me Donaldson.
I'm
fairly well educated, but when I read for pleasure, I don't want to have
to
have a thesaurus right there. About three pages into the first book, I
was
reminded of Margaret Meade in her Growing Up in
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George wrote:
Lalith Vipulananthan asked:
Just out of interest, how old
G. D. Akin wrote:
Sheesh, I hope not. I've never read his works, but I will soon read his
Claw of the Conciliator which won a Nebula a few years back. I'm
trying to read all the Hugo (actually, done that) and Nebula Award
winners. Just a goal.
I had that as a goal (the Hugos, anyway) and
Julia asked
G. D. Akin wrote:
Sheesh, I hope not. I've never read his works, but I will soon read his
Claw of the Conciliator which won a Nebula a few years back. I'm
trying to read all the Hugo (actually, done that) and Nebula Award
winners. Just a goal.
I had that as a goal (the
William wrote:
Since 'Claw' is volume 2 of _The Book of the New Sun_, it might be a
good idea to start with volume 1, The Shadow of the Torturer.
Probably.
I have a self-inflicted rule to read any prequel in a series, so I will do
as you suggest. I have a nice SFBC omnibus edition of The
From: Lalith Vipulananthan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The second trilogy in more than one word:Even more depressing.
awful
Wah. Why did you find it awful? Did you also think that _The
One Tree_ was
almost entirely redundant?
To be honest, I don't remember. I read them a long
From: Kevin Tarr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
And I really like the Mirror of her Dreams two
(three?) books.
I did not like the first book of that series but thought the second one was
OK. I hate books where the main character is pathetic. And the woman in
that book was pretty pathetic in the
Horn, John wrote:
From: Kevin Tarr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
And I really like the Mirror of her Dreams two
(three?) books.
I did not like the first book of that series but thought the second one was
OK. I hate books where the main character is pathetic. And the woman in
that book was
George A wrote:
The first Covenant trilogy in one word:
Depressing.
The second trilogy in more than one word:Even more
depressing.
I didn't make it very far into the first trilogy for
that and other reasons.
--- Lalith Vipulananthan wrote
George wrote:
Lalith Vipulananthan asked:
Deborah wrote:
jumping in
I was ~25 when I read the first book, which I only
finished because a good friend had highly recommended
it. I nearly tossed it after the
rape-and-then-she-falls-in-love scenario, as that is
so far from real life that I couldn't stand it.
You did only read the
John Horn wrote:
From: G. D. Akin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The first Covenant trilogy in one word:Depressing.
great
Agreed.
The second trilogy in more than one word:Even more depressing.
awful
Wah. Why did you find it awful? Did you also think that _The One Tree_ was
At 01:07 AM 3/14/2003 +, you wrote:
John Horn wrote:
From: G. D. Akin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The first Covenant trilogy in one word:Depressing.
great
Agreed.
The second trilogy in more than one word:Even more depressing.
awful
Wah. Why did you find it awful? Did you
--- Lalith Vipulananthan wrote:
Deborah wrote:
jumping in
I was ~25 when I read the first book, which I only
finished because a good friend had highly
recommended it. I nearly tossed it after the
rape-and-then-she-falls-in-love scenario, as that
is so far from real life that I
Debbi wrote:
Hmm, well it *was* a long time ago...I'm not sure if I
learned that through conversation -- I really don't
recognize the other characters you named below (like
the one name, though!) -- it's entirely possible that
my friend discussed further storyline(s) in an effort
to
--- Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
How was it? I've been avoiding Brin lately (gasp!)
as the last 2 I read, Sundiver and Practice Effect,
I found to be.. well, not my favorite books ever.
Not bad, per se, just not so great. Hearing what
little I have about KP, I'm worried
On 10 Mar 2003 at 19:46, Deborah Harrell wrote:
--- Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
How was it? I've been avoiding Brin lately (gasp!)
as the last 2 I read, Sundiver and Practice Effect,
I found to be.. well, not my favorite books ever.
Not bad, per se, just not so
George wrote:
I know
scholarly works
must show an extensive vocabulary, but SF and/or Fantasy novels don't.
I don't agree. Why should genre determine the vocabulary used within a
novel?
Of course, all this is a matter of personal taste and as for Covenant,
didn't like the taste. Don't ask
Lalith Vipulananthan asked:
Just out of interest, how old were you when you read these books?
In my early 30s.
George A
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George wrote:
Lalith Vipulananthan asked:
Just out of interest, how old were you when you read these books?
In my early 30s.
Thus shooting a hole in one theory I'd developed with Ritu that age is a
determining factor in one's enjoyment of the Covenant books. Most of the
people I know who
From: G. D. Akin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The first Covenant trilogy in one word:Depressing.
great
The second trilogy in more than one word:Even more depressing.
awful
- jmh
To Each His Own Maru
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On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 10:22:34AM -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote:
What I admire about the Covenant books was that I enjoyed them a great
deal despite how much I disliked their protagonist. I frankly find
Thomas Covenant to be one of the most unlikable main characters in
Fantasy/SF literature.
From: Jim Sharkey wrote:
What I admire about the Covenant books was that I enjoyed them a great
deal despite how much I disliked their protagonist. I frankly find Thomas
Covenant to be one of the most unlikable main characters in Fantasy/SF
literature. Sure, he makes the right decisions in the
I also don't like Stephen got my thesaurus right beside me Donaldson. I'm
fairly well educated, but when I read for pleasure, I don't want to have to
have a thesaurus right there. About three pages into the first book, I was
reminded of Margaret Meade in her Growing Up in New Guinea saying that
On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 12:17 am, G. D. Akin wrote:
I also don't like Stephen got my thesaurus right beside me
Donaldson. I'm
fairly well educated, but when I read for pleasure, I don't want to
have to
have a thesaurus right there.
Much fun has been had at the expense of Donaldson over
William T Goodall wrote:
I quite enjoyed the first two trilogies, but haven't reread them since
they were published. Which was probably quite a while ago now...
I read them as they were being published and liked them then. I re-read
LFB some years ago and wasn't as impressed as the first
Jeffrey Miller-
How was it? I've been avoiding Brin lately (gasp!) as the last 2 I read,
Sundiver and Practice Effect, I found to be.. well, not my favorite books
ever. Not bad, per se, just not so great. Hearing what little I have about
KP, I'm worried its an Saturday Night Live book -
On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 03:51 am, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 6 Mar 2003 at 23:16, William T Goodall wrote:
On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 10:20 pm, Bryon Daly wrote:
But speaking of pulpy and gratuitous - Anyone here read the Honor
Harrington series books by David Weber? I've read about
From: Miller, Jeffrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
How was it? I've been avoiding Brin lately (gasp!) as the
last 2 I read, Sundiver and Practice Effect, I found to be..
well, not my favorite books ever. Not bad, per se, just not
so great. Hearing what little I have about KP, I'm
From: Lalith Vipulananthan wrote:
On another note, I can say that I am no longer a Brin virgin as I read
_Kiln
People_ (that apostrophe in the UK edition is just annoying) a couple of
months ago. Ritu recommended _Earth_ as her favourite Brin book so I'm
more
likely to read that before I head
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Miller, Jeffrey wrote:
:) I'm currently knee-deep in the Black Company series.. pulpy,
gratuitous
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Rob wrote:
Where is this Lal?
I'd like to brush up on my Covenant since a third trilogy might
George wrote:
The first Covenant trilogy in one word:Depressing.
The second trilogy in more than one word:Even more depressing.
I wouldn't deny that these books are downbeat in nature, but to sum them up
as depressing is to do them a great disservice. I liked all six books the
first
Julia wrote:
So, that means that _Kiln People_ really ought to have spoiler space for
awhile yet, and _Startide Rising_ really, really ought not need it, IMO.
Hey, I haven't read any of the Uplift series yet! Spoiler space is necessary
if it's not clear from the subject that you are discussing
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Julia wrote:
So, that means that _Kiln People_ really ought to have spoiler space
for awhile yet
Miller, Jeffrey wrote:
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Julia wrote:
So, that means that _Kiln People_ really ought to have
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Miller, Jeffrey wrote:
How was it? I've been avoiding Brin lately (gasp!) as the
last 2 I
read
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:00:46 -
Julia wrote:
So, that means that _Kiln People_ really ought to have spoiler space
Jeffrey wrote:
:) I'm currently knee-deep in the Black Company series.. pulpy,
gratuitous, but for some reason, I can't stop reading 'em..
On a vaguely related note, has anyone here read Kage Baker's Company novels
(_In the Garden of Iden_, _Sky Coyote_ and _Mendoza in Hollywood_)? I have
Jon wrote:
I estimate that I'll have the first chapter analysis post of Earth done
around April 15 and will plan on posting them every 4-6 weeks
subsequently.
That's subject to change if the project is more daunting than I think it
will be.
Ah, cool. I'd like to read that. I take this means
Jeffrey wrote:
How was it? I've been avoiding Brin lately (gasp!) as the last
2 I read, Sundiver and Practice Effect, I found to be.. well, not
my favorite books ever. Not bad, per se, just not so great.
Hearing what little I have about KP, I'm worried its an Saturday
Night Live book -
Miller, Jeffrey wrote:
:) I'm currently knee-deep in the Black Company series.. pulpy, gratuitous, but for
some reason, I can't stop reading 'em..
I loved the first 5 or so books in Cook's Black Company Series. I really loved how
many of the 'evil' characters were
actually portrayed in
On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 10:20 pm, Bryon Daly wrote:
But speaking of pulpy and gratuitous - Anyone here read the Honor
Harrington series books by David Weber? I've
read about 6 so far (of 10) before I needed a hiatus. The rest are
part of my stack of 20 waiting-to-be-read books
(along
On 6 Mar 2003 at 23:16, William T Goodall wrote:
On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 10:20 pm, Bryon Daly wrote:
But speaking of pulpy and gratuitous - Anyone here read the Honor
Harrington series books by David Weber? I've read about 6 so far
(of 10) before I needed a hiatus. The rest
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Subject: RE: Question about Spoilers
I found a forum discussing the works of Stephen Donaldson and there
was a really good chapter
Rob wrote:
Where is this Lal?
I'd like to brush up on my Covenant since a third trilogy might be in the
offing.
http://kevinswatch.ihugny.com/phpBB2/index.php
Have fun. Most people have chosen names of characters from the two
trilogies. See if you can find me. ;)
Lal
GSV It's not hard
Julia Thompson wrote:
My opinion:
I'd say that spoiler space would be polite for 2 years after the last region
of the globe got access to the paperback. Anyone who hasn't gotten their
mitts on a paperback in 2 years can just avoid the post, assuming the
subject accurately reflects the contents
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
My opinion:
I'd say that spoiler space would be polite for 2 years after the last region
of the globe got access to the paperback. Anyone who hasn't gotten their
mitts on a paperback in 2 years can just avoid the post, assuming the
subject
Julia Thompson wrote:
I was thinking more in terms of books by Brin, which were the only ones
mentioned in the post I was responding to.
I'd prefer spoiler warnings for UoW, myself, as I haven't read that yet. :)
If I'm posting about books by other authors, I try not to include any
spoilers
A lurker friend of mine told me I should stop writing so much about Star
Trek and try to get a thread started about a Brin book. While I'll probably
keep talking Trek as long as Marvin, Jose, Debbi and others keep replying,
I'm certainly interested in talking about Dr. B.'s stuff also.
Which
Reggie Bautista wrote:
Which brings me to this question: how has the list handled spoiler space in
the past? Or more to the point, how to we want to handle it right now?
For example, I would probably include spoiler space when talking about _Kiln
People_. But if I want to mention a major
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