Re: [cayugabirds-l] our birds are picky, only Sunflower seeds for them

[AB Clark]

I have no idea whether this thought applies to Nyger and Sunflower, or for
that matter, mixes with one or more kinds of millet and some safflower
seed, but in my days with a research flock of budgerigars, it may be the
mix that is the best diet.  It transpires that canary seed and millet seed
have very different and somewhat complimentary nutritional profiles.  For
their seed portion of the diet, it was supposed to be much better for
budgies to eat both, and indeed they did (except when fearful, when they
switched to all millet, but that is another story).

But to relate it to what everyone sees at their feeders, budgies do NOT eat
equal amounts of the two seeds which do require different processing
techniques.  If one followed what they were eating seed by seed vs spending
time eating vs were interested in eating after only one was available for a
while, one might come up with different impressions on their preferences.

So I wonder--even if goldfinches are concentrating on sunflower chips
(speedy and oily and big return on time), do they also occasionally eat
nyger as a more complete diet?  I don't know that I have ever seen a study
looking at preferences before or after having only one choice--and that
might be when one would notice an unusual or opposite preference for a
time. As observers, we might interpret visits to another feeder as
"avoiding more dominant species", when in fact the bird is making its quick
diet-completing stop!

Anne

On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 7:26 PM Fred Rimmel  wrote:

> Back in the 80’s  I participated in a bird feed and feeder study conducted
> for USFW out of Patuxent Wildlife Research Center.  One of the results was
> that the “favorite” food of goldfinches was hulled sunflower kernels.
> That’s not to say they won’t eat other seeds just that when given options
> and when they aren’t out competed at the feeding station by other species
> they prefer hulled sunflower.  This was just one of the results of the
> study that looked at numerous seed types and presentation methods.  We feed
> just hulled sunflower in our feeders and in recent weeks regularly have 30
> to 75 or more goldfinches at a time.  Also, had a few pine siskin for the
> first time today.
> Fred
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2024, at 7:02 PM, Geo Kloppel  wrote:
>
> Black oil sunflower seed in the big hopper, sure, but I offer Nyjer all by
> itself in a dedicated finch feeder, and the Goldfinches are very happy with
> that. I buy 5# bags at Agway; Lizzie Mae’s Birdseed and Dry Goods Company.
> The bags are zip-lock, but I transfer the Nyjer to 1-qt plastic jugs with
> screw caps; they stand up in the back of the fridge or freezer, taking up
> very little space, and they make topping-up the feeder very easy and neat.
>
> -Geo
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2024, at 5:22 PM, Nigel Dyson-Hudson 
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> Sunflower, Niger, etc. We have tried this in the past with Sunflower and
> Niger seed feeds. Even the Goldfinches barely touched our Niger seed. It
> was "fresh" from Agway, stored in the fridge until put out. Forget about
> the mixes with Milo and Corn.
> So now we just put out Sunflower seed, spread some seed on trays on the
> ground. Last winter we had a Mourning Dove that figured out how to land on
> our rectangular metal feeder. Which was quite entertaining to watch. Since
> this feeder has a squirrel baffle on the post, we have used a stick to fix
> the movable perch in place.
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] our birds are picky, only Sunflower seeds for them

[Fred Rimmel]

Back in the 80’s  I participated in a bird feed and feeder study conducted for 
USFW out of Patuxent Wildlife Research Center.  One of the results was that the 
“favorite” food of goldfinches was hulled sunflower kernels. That’s not to say 
they won’t eat other seeds just that when given options and when they aren’t 
out competed at the feeding station by other species they prefer hulled 
sunflower.  This was just one of the results of the study that looked at 
numerous seed types and presentation methods.  We feed just hulled sunflower in 
our feeders and in recent weeks regularly have 30 to 75 or more goldfinches at 
a time.  Also, had a few pine siskin for the first time today.  
Fred


> On Jan 31, 2024, at 7:02 PM, Geo Kloppel  wrote:
> 
> Black oil sunflower seed in the big hopper, sure, but I offer Nyjer all by 
> itself in a dedicated finch feeder, and the Goldfinches are very happy with 
> that. I buy 5# bags at Agway; Lizzie Mae’s Birdseed and Dry Goods Company. 
> The bags are zip-lock, but I transfer the Nyjer to 1-qt plastic jugs with 
> screw caps; they stand up in the back of the fridge or freezer, taking up 
> very little space, and they make topping-up the feeder very easy and neat.
> 
> -Geo
> 
> 
>> On Jan 31, 2024, at 5:22 PM, Nigel Dyson-Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Some folks on CAYUGABIRDS-L fill their feeders with different seeds - 
>> Sunflower, Niger, etc. We have tried this in the past with Sunflower and 
>> Niger seed feeds. Even the Goldfinches barely touched our Niger seed. It was 
>> "fresh" from Agway, stored in the fridge until put out. Forget about the 
>> mixes with Milo and Corn.
>> So now we just put out Sunflower seed, spread some seed on trays on the 
>> ground. Last winter we had a Mourning Dove that figured out how to land on 
>> our rectangular metal feeder. Which was quite entertaining to watch. Since 
>> this feeder has a squirrel baffle on the post, we have used a stick to fix 
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>> Nigel
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] our birds are picky, only Sunflower seeds for them

[Geo Kloppel]

Black oil sunflower seed in the big hopper, sure, but I offer Nyjer all by 
itself in a dedicated finch feeder, and the Goldfinches are very happy with 
that. I buy 5# bags at Agway; Lizzie Mae’s Birdseed and Dry Goods Company. The 
bags are zip-lock, but I transfer the Nyjer to 1-qt plastic jugs with screw 
caps; they stand up in the back of the fridge or freezer, taking up very little 
space, and they make topping-up the feeder very easy and neat.

-Geo


> On Jan 31, 2024, at 5:22 PM, Nigel Dyson-Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Some folks on CAYUGABIRDS-L fill their feeders with different seeds - 
> Sunflower, Niger, etc. We have tried this in the past with Sunflower and 
> Niger seed feeds. Even the Goldfinches barely touched our Niger seed. It was 
> "fresh" from Agway, stored in the fridge until put out. Forget about the 
> mixes with Milo and Corn.
> So now we just put out Sunflower seed, spread some seed on trays on the 
> ground. Last winter we had a Mourning Dove that figured out how to land on 
> our rectangular metal feeder. Which was quite entertaining to watch. Since 
> this feeder has a squirrel baffle on the post, we have used a stick to fix 
> the movable perch in place.
> Nigel
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] More birds

[Geo Kloppel]

… also Veery, Black-throated Blue Warbler, Blackburnian Warbler

-Geo


> On May 7, 2023, at 8:40 AM, Geo Kloppel  wrote:
> 
> …Baltimore Oriole, Black-throated Green Warbler, Nashville Warbler, 
> Black-and-white Warbler, Red-eyed Vireo, Chestnut sided Warbler
> 
> -Geo
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2023, at 8:15 AM, Laura Stenzler  wrote:
>> 
>> FOY Red-eyed vireo and scarlet tanager added to yard list!
>> 
>> Laura
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] More birds

[Geo Kloppel]

…Baltimore Oriole, Black-throated Green Warbler, Nashville Warbler, 
Black-and-white Warbler, Red-eyed Vireo, Chestnut sided Warbler

-Geo


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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Not birds but important

[Sandra J. Kisner]

An excellent article with descriptions of fake masks and links to sources:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/20/you-can-now-get-free-n95-masksheres-where-to-find-them.html

Sandra


How to Get Your Free N95 Masks From the Government at Your Local Pharmacy
https://www.prevention.com/health/a38815550/free-n95-mask-government/
Sar

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Not birds but important

[Stanley Scharf]

Thanks a lot..
Stan

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 6:58 AM Peter Saracino 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Not birds but.....

[tess]

Three options (at least):

(1) Peter's resource is great because it seems like at least initially, 
the government will have kits on hand to send out.

(2) But /in addition/_,_ for those who can find at-home tests for sale, 
anyone with health insurance /also/ can get 8 free tests/month.  So if 
you are a family of 3, your family can get up to 24 tests every month 
for free.  Each insurer will have it's own procedure so you may need to 
go online to find out if you can just show your card at the pharmacy to 
get them for free or if you will have to pay upfront and submit a claim 
to be reimbursed.  Right now at-home testing kits are hard to find but 
in a few weeks that should improve.

(3) If you want to be tested and can't find a kit, Tompkins & Cortland 
County residents still can get free drive through testing by appointment 
- more info here .  Others also may be 
able to get free tests by appointment if there is a need (they have 
symptoms, upcoming medical procedure, etc) or if their insurance or 
employer has an agreement with CMC - info here 
.

You can do any or all of these, choosing one doesn't mean you can't do 
the others.

And Birding Content: 3 snowy owls close by the Martin Rd. pull off 
yesterday afternoon, and roughly a zillion swans at the ice edge near 
the south end of Lower Lake Rd (where it meets Rte 89, south of Cayuga 
Lake SP).



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Re: [cayugabirds-l] How birds "see" Earth's Magnetic Field

[Peter Saracino]

FRITZ I just finished Scott Weidensaul's latest book on Migration (A World
On The Wing - Copyright 2021) and he relates the same messageblue light
actually reacting at a quantum level in the birds eyes.a cool example
of "entanglement". Check it out for yourself.
Pete Sar


On Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 9:23 AM John and Fritzie Blizzard <
job121...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  Since this article is 3 yrs. old, one wonders what progress has occurred
> since then.
>
> Fritzie
> On 7/29/2021 10:36 AM, Peter Saracino wrote:
>
> Yet another reason to respect, admire, cherish and even reverence our
> avian- fellow travelers.
> Sar
>
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/04/04/we-finally-know-how-birds-can-see-earths-magnetic-field/
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] How birds "see" Earth's Magnetic Field

[John and Fritzie Blizzard]

  Since this article is 3 yrs. old, one wonders what progress has 
occurred since then.

Fritzie

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> Sar
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> https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/04/04/we-finally-know-how-birds-can-see-earths-magnetic-field/
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Female birds that sing

[Mona Bearor]

Thank you, I’ll pass your comments on to the local birders here in VA.
Mona
 
From: Jay McGowan [mailto:jw...@cornell.edu] 
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 10:23 AM
To: Mona Bearor 
Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Female birds that sing
 
Hi Mona,
Being conservative about that assumption is probably wise. It is worth noting 
that in eBird, the breeding code "S" has been changed to "Singing bird" to 
reflect our changing understanding of this behavior. If you're not seeing that, 
you may need to update your app.
 
Cheers,
Jay
 
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:14 AM Mona Bearor mailto:conservebi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I am wondering if there is a definitive list of North American bird species 
that have singing females.  If I can identify a singing bird by the song but 
don't see it I tend to think it is a male and in the past have reported it as 
such to eBird, with the exception of Northern Cardinal, I know the females 
cardinals will sing. I have seen the spreadsheet found at 
http://femalebirdsong.org/ but would be happy to find a list that did not 
require searching through almost 1200 species.  Anyone know of such a list?  
For now I am going to stop reporting any singing birds as male unless I see 
them sing and can positively ID sex of the bird.  I suspect others are having 
this problem as well and it does affect the reporting of breeding codes as all 
singing birds would have to be seen and sexed to report “singing male.”  Any 
thoughts?
 
Mona Bearor
Stuart’s Draft Hwy, Staunton, Virginia
 
 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Female birds that sing

[Jay McGowan]

Hi Mona,
Being conservative about that assumption is probably wise. It is worth
noting that in eBird, the breeding code "S" has been changed to "Singing
bird" to reflect our changing understanding of this behavior. If you're not
seeing that, you may need to update your app.

Cheers,
Jay

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:14 AM Mona Bearor 
wrote:

> I am wondering if there is a definitive list of North American bird
> species that have singing females.  If I can identify a singing bird by
> the song but don't see it I tend to think it is a male and in the past have
> reported it as such to eBird, with the exception of Northern Cardinal, I
> know the females cardinals will sing. I have seen the spreadsheet found at
> http://femalebirdsong.org/ but would be happy to find a list that did not
> require searching through almost 1200 species.  Anyone know of such a
> list?  For now I am going to stop reporting any singing birds as male
> unless I see them sing and can positively ID sex of the bird.  I suspect
> others are having this problem as well and it does affect the reporting of
> breeding codes as all singing birds would have to be seen and sexed to
> report “singing male.”  Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> Mona Bearor
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] No Birds

[Paul Schmitt]

I agree with Marie and add that sometimes they find something better-
less wind exposure or richer food.My hummingbirds disappear for about 8
to 10 days each summer and I figure there is a temporary food source they
prefer.  The squirrels disappeared from the feeders here for about 5 days,
and then were back.

Paul Schmitt

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 6:28 PM Marie P. Read  wrote:

> My bet would be the weather. Yesterday was cold and windy...birds are more
> hungry in those circumstances.
> Today it's much milder.
>
> Marie
>
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> 452 Ringwood Road
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> Birds and Their Behavior
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>
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 5:24 PM Carl Steckler 
> wrote:
>
> Yesterday there were dozens of birds at my feeders. So many that I had to
> refill the seed cake feeders.
>
> Today I have not seen any birds at all.
>
> Very strange , any one have any ideas?
> Carl
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] No Birds

[Marie P. Read]

My bet would be the weather. Yesterday was cold and windy...birds are more 
hungry in those circumstances.
Today it's much milder.

Marie

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On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 5:24 PM Carl Steckler 
mailto:simmshil...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yesterday there were dozens of birds at my feeders. So many that I had to 
refill the seed cake feeders.

Today I have not seen any birds at all.

Very strange , any one have any ideas?
Carl
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] No Birds

[Todd Beeton]

After a couple of weeks of nonstop action out at my feeders (I'm in Geneva)
it's been more than a week without a single bird. The high activity of
mostly sparrows, chickadees and a couple woodpeckers and nuthatches at my
feeders corresponded with flocks of robins and starlings that took over my
neighborhood thanks to some nearby berry trees. But they did all seem to
leave at once. I've changed the seed as well as the location of my suet
feeder, to no avail. The squirrels are quite content not to have the
competition. But I am similarly puzzled.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 5:24 PM Carl Steckler  wrote:

> Yesterday there were dozens of birds at my feeders. So many that I had to
> refill the seed cake feeders.
>
> Today I have not seen any birds at all.
>
> Very strange , any one have any ideas?
> Carl
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dead birds under the thistle feeder

[Brad Walker]

If you do find dead birds like this (if they're fresh and not freeze-dried
or damaged) you can store them in your freezer in plastic bag so they can
be donated to the Cornell Museum of Vertebrates the Cornell Lab of
Ornithology (when they eventually are open for the public again). I'm not
sure if there's any system in place currently for accepting specimens. If
you decide to store one, you should put a little slip of paper in the bag
that says the date, location, and how the bird died (or how you found it).
You don't have to worry about identifying the bird if you don't know what
it is. And freezer bags are always better, since they're made for keeping
things safe in a freezer.

--Brad

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 10:29 AM Donna Lee Scott  wrote:

> Over a month ago, I found one dead Siskin under my backyard feeders.
> 16 others seemed fine & later moved on to somewhere else.
>
> Donna Scott
> Lansing
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 22, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Wesley M. Hochachka  wrote:
>
> If the dead birds were siskins, redpolls, or goldfinches, my first
> reaction is that the birds died from salmonellosis, and potentially you
> might have observed these birds sitting motionless and incredibly puffed up
> near the bird feeder at some point before you found the dead bird on the
> ground.
>
> Salmonellosis outbreaks, which particularly hit siskins and redpolls, are
> an unfortunately predictable corollary of irruptions of these species.
> Taking down your thistle feeder to disperse the birds might reduce further
> transmission, but it's hard to tell because the birds could just start
> congregating (maybe in larger numbers) at some other bird feeder in the
> area.
>
> Wesley Hochachka
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-125406737-3494...@list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-125406737-3494...@list.cornell.edu> On Behalf Of Patrizia Sione
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 9:30 AM
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Dead birds under the thistle feeder
>
> Hello all,
>
> In the course of the past 10 days, we have discovered a dead bird under a
> feeder in three separate occasions, the latest this morning.  No apparent
> injury.  The thistle is fresh (it goes pretty quickly) and we keep the
> feeders clean and sanitized. We called the Cornell hospital but they did
> not accept our request to have a necropsy conducted on the birds (we kept
> two of them in a sealed freezer bag  outside).  We have decals and nets
> outside our windows to prevent birds from hitting them.
>
> Any ideas about what could be causing this and how to prevent it from
> happening again?  It is the first time it has ever happened to us in the 10
> years we’ve lived in our present location, and all this time we’ve fed
> birds.
>
> Many thanks,
> Patrizia Sione
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dead birds under the thistle feeder

[Donna Lee Scott]

Over a month ago, I found one dead Siskin under my backyard feeders.
16 others seemed fine & later moved on to somewhere else.

Donna Scott
Lansing
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 22, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Wesley M. Hochachka 
mailto:w...@cornell.edu>> wrote:

If the dead birds were siskins, redpolls, or goldfinches, my first reaction is 
that the birds died from salmonellosis, and potentially you might have observed 
these birds sitting motionless and incredibly puffed up near the bird feeder at 
some point before you found the dead bird on the ground.

Salmonellosis outbreaks, which particularly hit siskins and redpolls, are an 
unfortunately predictable corollary of irruptions of these species.  Taking 
down your thistle feeder to disperse the birds might reduce further 
transmission, but it's hard to tell because the birds could just start 
congregating (maybe in larger numbers) at some other bird feeder in the area.

Wesley Hochachka




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From: 
bounce-125406737-3494...@list.cornell.edu
 
mailto:bounce-125406737-3494...@list.cornell.edu>>
 On Behalf Of Patrizia Sione
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 9:30 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Dead birds under the thistle feeder

Hello all,

In the course of the past 10 days, we have discovered a dead bird under a 
feeder in three separate occasions, the latest this morning.  No apparent 
injury.  The thistle is fresh (it goes pretty quickly) and we keep the feeders 
clean and sanitized. We called the Cornell hospital but they did not accept our 
request to have a necropsy conducted on the birds (we kept two of them in a 
sealed freezer bag  outside).  We have decals and nets outside our windows to 
prevent birds from hitting them.

Any ideas about what could be causing this and how to prevent it from happening 
again?  It is the first time it has ever happened to us in the 10 years we’ve 
lived in our present location, and all this time we’ve fed birds.

Many thanks,
Patrizia Sione



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RE:[cayugabirds-l] Dead birds under the thistle feeder

[Wesley M. Hochachka]

If the dead birds were siskins, redpolls, or goldfinches, my first reaction is 
that the birds died from salmonellosis, and potentially you might have observed 
these birds sitting motionless and incredibly puffed up near the bird feeder at 
some point before you found the dead bird on the ground.

Salmonellosis outbreaks, which particularly hit siskins and redpolls, are an 
unfortunately predictable corollary of irruptions of these species.  Taking 
down your thistle feeder to disperse the birds might reduce further 
transmission, but it's hard to tell because the birds could just start 
congregating (maybe in larger numbers) at some other bird feeder in the area.

Wesley Hochachka




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From: bounce-125406737-3494...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Patrizia Sione
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 9:30 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Dead birds under the thistle feeder

Hello all,

In the course of the past 10 days, we have discovered a dead bird under a 
feeder in three separate occasions, the latest this morning.  No apparent 
injury.  The thistle is fresh (it goes pretty quickly) and we keep the feeders 
clean and sanitized. We called the Cornell hospital but they did not accept our 
request to have a necropsy conducted on the birds (we kept two of them in a 
sealed freezer bag  outside).  We have decals and nets outside our windows to 
prevent birds from hitting them.  

Any ideas about what could be causing this and how to prevent it from happening 
again?  It is the first time it has ever happened to us in the 10 years we’ve 
lived in our present location, and all this time we’ve fed birds.

Many thanks,
Patrizia Sione



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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dead birds under the thistle feeder

[Michael Ludgate]

There have some been problems with pesticides in birdfeed in the past
https://www.audubon.org/news/pesticides-bird-seed-scotts-miracle-gro-fined-125-million

Cheers,
-Mike :-)

*Michael Ludgate*
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 9:30 AM Patrizia Sione  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> In the course of the past 10 days, we have discovered a dead bird under a
> feeder in three separate occasions, the latest this morning.  No apparent
> injury.  The thistle is fresh (it goes pretty quickly) and we keep the
> feeders clean and sanitized. We called the Cornell hospital but they did
> not accept our request to have a necropsy conducted on the birds (we kept
> two of them in a sealed freezer bag  outside).  We have decals and nets
> outside our windows to prevent birds from hitting them.
>
> Any ideas about what could be causing this and how to prevent it from
> happening again?  It is the first time it has ever happened to us in the 10
> years we’ve lived in our present location, and all this time we’ve fed
> birds.
>
> Many thanks,
> Patrizia Sione
>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] molting birds question

[Peter Saracino]

Very interesting!
Thank you Anne.
Yeah - these redwings around my house are losing head feathers NOW - and
not post-breeding.
Pete Sar

On Wed, May 13, 2020, 3:01 PM  wrote:

> I will just offer the observation made several times while studying
> nesting redwinged blabkbirds at the Cornell ponds that no males arrived
> with bald heads but quite a few
> Showed missing patches during EARLy breeding season while disputes were
> common. At least once a fully feathered banded male had a down and out
> fight, flew off but was back trying to retake his territory the next
> day...with a bald spot.
>
> Whatever other explanations may pertain, male-male fights contribute I
> feel sure.
> Balding blue jays show up after breeding during post-juvenile and post
> breeding molts, I agree. Have seen. Not just their heads look ratty.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 13, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Peter Saracino 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks!
> Pete Saracino
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2020, 9:27 AM Tim Gallagher  wrote:
>
>> Here's a link to a piece they ran a few years ago on the Lab of
>> Ornithology website:
>> https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/i-have-a-bald-bird-at-my-feeder-is-it-sick/
>>
>> <https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/i-have-a-bald-bird-at-my-feeder-is-it-sick/>
>> I have a bald bird at my feeder. Is it sick? - All About Birds
>> <https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/i-have-a-bald-bird-at-my-feeder-is-it-sick/>
>> We receive many inquiries about bald birds, especially Blue Jays and
>> Northern Cardinals. In late summer and fall, when a bird molts, it usually
>> grows and replaces its feathers gradually, but occasionally a bird loses
>> all the feathers on its head at once. This is particularly true of Blue
>> Jays, m ...
>> www.allaboutbirds.org
>>
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>> *From:* bounce-124627147-10557...@list.cornell.edu <
>> bounce-124627147-10557...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Peter Saracino <
>> petersarac...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 4:58 PM
>> *To:* Linda Clark Benedict 
>> *Cc:* CAYUGABIRDS-L 
>> *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] molting birds question
>>
>> Thanks for the info. Must be so m.j e as re molting non-essential
>> feathers?
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2020, 2:37 PM Linda Clark Benedict 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We had a bald rose-breasted grosbeak at our feeder.
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 3:35 PM Peter Saracino 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks.
>> Recently I have seen one "bald" redwing on a tray feeder and another that
>> was nearly bald. Now I see what appears to be an adult Oriole "losing" some
>> of the black on its head. Is it normal for these birds to molt some of
>> their non-flight feathers at this time of year?
>> Thanks for the help.
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] molting birds question

[anneb . clark]

I will just offer the observation made several times while studying nesting 
redwinged blabkbirds at the Cornell ponds that no males arrived with bald heads 
but quite a few
Showed missing patches during EARLy breeding season while disputes were common. 
At least once a fully feathered banded male had a down and out fight, flew off 
but was back trying to retake his territory the next day...with a bald spot. 

Whatever other explanations may pertain, male-male fights contribute I feel 
sure.  
Balding blue jays show up after breeding during post-juvenile and post breeding 
molts, I agree. Have seen. Not just their heads look ratty. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 13, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Peter Saracino  wrote:
> 
> Thanks! 
> Pete Saracino
> 
>> On Wed, May 13, 2020, 9:27 AM Tim Gallagher  wrote:
>> Here's a link to a piece they ran a few years ago on the Lab of Ornithology 
>> website: 
>> https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/i-have-a-bald-bird-at-my-feeder-is-it-sick/
>> 
>> I have a bald bird at my feeder. Is it sick? - All About Birds
>> We receive many inquiries about bald birds, especially Blue Jays and 
>> Northern Cardinals. In late summer and fall, when a bird molts, it usually 
>> grows and replaces its feathers gradually, but occasionally a bird loses all 
>> the feathers on its head at once. This is particularly true of Blue Jays, m 
>> ...
>> www.allaboutbirds.org
>> 
>> 
>> From: bounce-124627147-10557...@list.cornell.edu 
>>  on behalf of Peter Saracino 
>> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 4:58 PM
>> To: Linda Clark Benedict 
>> Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
>> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] molting birds question
>>  
>> Thanks for the info. Must be so m.j e as re molting non-essential feathers?
>> 
>> On Tue, May 12, 2020, 2:37 PM Linda Clark Benedict  
>> wrote:
>> We had a bald rose-breasted grosbeak at our feeder.
>> 
>> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 3:35 PM Peter Saracino  wrote:
>> Hi folks.
>> Recently I have seen one "bald" redwing on a tray feeder and another that 
>> was nearly bald. Now I see what appears to be an adult Oriole "losing" some 
>> of the black on its head. Is it normal for these birds to molt some of their 
>> non-flight feathers at this time of year?
>> Thanks for the help.
>> Pete Sar
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] molting birds question

[Peter Saracino]

Thanks!
Pete Saracino

On Wed, May 13, 2020, 9:27 AM Tim Gallagher  wrote:

> Here's a link to a piece they ran a few years ago on the Lab of
> Ornithology website:
> https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/i-have-a-bald-bird-at-my-feeder-is-it-sick/
>
> <https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/i-have-a-bald-bird-at-my-feeder-is-it-sick/>
> I have a bald bird at my feeder. Is it sick? - All About Birds
> <https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/i-have-a-bald-bird-at-my-feeder-is-it-sick/>
> We receive many inquiries about bald birds, especially Blue Jays and
> Northern Cardinals. In late summer and fall, when a bird molts, it usually
> grows and replaces its feathers gradually, but occasionally a bird loses
> all the feathers on its head at once. This is particularly true of Blue
> Jays, m ...
> www.allaboutbirds.org
>
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> petersarac...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 4:58 PM
> *To:* Linda Clark Benedict 
> *Cc:* CAYUGABIRDS-L 
> *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] molting birds question
>
> Thanks for the info. Must be so m.j e as re molting non-essential feathers?
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020, 2:37 PM Linda Clark Benedict 
> wrote:
>
> We had a bald rose-breasted grosbeak at our feeder.
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 3:35 PM Peter Saracino 
> wrote:
>
> Hi folks.
> Recently I have seen one "bald" redwing on a tray feeder and another that
> was nearly bald. Now I see what appears to be an adult Oriole "losing" some
> of the black on its head. Is it normal for these birds to molt some of
> their non-flight feathers at this time of year?
> Thanks for the help.
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] molting birds question

[Tim Gallagher]

Here's a link to a piece they ran a few years ago on the Lab of Ornithology 
website: 
https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/i-have-a-bald-bird-at-my-feeder-is-it-sick/
[https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/norcarBald_RohiniMehta_2_pre12-539x500.jpg]<https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/i-have-a-bald-bird-at-my-feeder-is-it-sick/>
I have a bald bird at my feeder. Is it sick? - All About 
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We receive many inquiries about bald birds, especially Blue Jays and Northern 
Cardinals. In late summer and fall, when a bird molts, it usually grows and 
replaces its feathers gradually, but occasionally a bird loses all the feathers 
on its head at once. This is particularly true of Blue Jays, m ...
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 on behalf of Peter Saracino 

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 4:58 PM
To: Linda Clark Benedict 
Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] molting birds question

Thanks for the info. Must be so m.j e as re molting non-essential feathers?

On Tue, May 12, 2020, 2:37 PM Linda Clark Benedict 
mailto:lbenedic...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We had a bald rose-breasted grosbeak at our feeder.

On Mon, May 11, 2020, 3:35 PM Peter Saracino 
mailto:petersarac...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi folks.
Recently I have seen one "bald" redwing on a tray feeder and another that was 
nearly bald. Now I see what appears to be an adult Oriole "losing" some of the 
black on its head. Is it normal for these birds to molt some of their 
non-flight feathers at this time of year?
Thanks for the help.
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] molting birds question

[Peter Saracino]

Thanks for the info. Must be so m.j e as re molting non-essential feathers?

On Tue, May 12, 2020, 2:37 PM Linda Clark Benedict 
wrote:

> We had a bald rose-breasted grosbeak at our feeder.
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 3:35 PM Peter Saracino 
> wrote:
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>> Recently I have seen one "bald" redwing on a tray feeder and another that
>> was nearly bald. Now I see what appears to be an adult Oriole "losing" some
>> of the black on its head. Is it normal for these birds to molt some of
>> their non-flight feathers at this time of year?
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] molting birds question

[Linda Clark Benedict]

We had a bald rose-breasted grosbeak at our feeder.

On Mon, May 11, 2020, 3:35 PM Peter Saracino 
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> Recently I have seen one "bald" redwing on a tray feeder and another that
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dawn birds

[anneb . clark]

FOY oriole just arrived also and a catbird was quietly exploring scrubby places 
outside my window earlier!  The mounting house wren tensions are audible. I 
think another 2 males might be on site. Look like bees chasing. 

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> FOY baltimore orioles & catbird singing! Oriole sitting in sun atop a tall 
> tree. What a gorgeous spring sight!
> Brown thrasher singing across road. 
> Kingfisher chattering by. 
> 
> Lake getting to minor flood stage. 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Weird birds

[Gary Kohlenberg]

Some of these lists have been from California :) This has been going on for 
quite some time and I keep thinking we have rarities to chase, but no such luck.
Gary

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 When I first saw one of these lists I thought someone was playing games, and 
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Park, it is clear to me that all these lists are mislabeled due to the same 
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Rica on one list, and by going back to the list after the location was 
corrected, I found out I was correct. We should get prizes for how close our 
guesses are.

- - Dave Nutter

On Jan 4, 2020, at 2:06 PM, Candace E. Cornell 
mailto:cec...@gmail.com>> wrote:

sBird lists the New Zealand bird reports as originating from Stewart Park! 
There were also erroneous Osprey sightings a few weeks ago.
Candace

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 1:50 PM Carol Keeler 
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Why are we getting these weird e bird reports from Tompkins county that have 
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guesses are.

- - Dave Nutter

> On Jan 4, 2020, at 2:06 PM, Candace E. Cornell  wrote:
> 
> sBird lists the New Zealand bird reports as originating from Stewart Park! 
> There were also erroneous Osprey sightings a few weeks ago.
> Candace
> 
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sBird lists the New Zealand bird reports as originating from Stewart Park!
There were also erroneous Osprey sightings a few weeks ago.
Candace

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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)

[Deb Grantham]

As this article says, it's a survival food -- poor people learned to eat it and 
like it. Lots of good food and cooking originates that way.

Deb


-Original Message-
From: bounce-124056804-83565...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Magnus Fiskesjo
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 10:30 AM
To: Stanley Scharf ; Regi Teasley 

Cc: darlingtonbets ; Maryfaith Miller 
; anneb.cl...@gmail.com; 
bluewing-gr...@googlegroups.com; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)


Looking up a picture of American pokeweed, I am surprised to see on Wikipedia 
it is the same as poke sallet, a k a poke salad, which is a food, that has even 
been described as a "Long-Standing Staple" food for humans, esp. in the US 
South, https://www.saveur.com/poke-sallet
... and Tony Joe White's song “Polk Salad Annie,” covered by Elvis, turns on 
the gathering, cooking, eating, and sucking on leftovers, of this same "poke 
salad." (The song seems to suggest it grows in places where alligators thrive). 

--
Magnus Fiskesjö, PhD
Associate Professor, Department of Anthropology, Cornell University McGraw 
Hall, Room 201. Ithaca, NY 14853, USA
E-mail: magnus.fiske...@cornell.edu, or: n...@cornell.edu

Affiliations at Cornell University, WWW:
Anthropology Department, anthropology.cornell.edu/faculty/ Southeast Asia 
Program (SEAP), seap.einaudi.cornell.edu/faculty_directory
East Asia Program (EAP), eap.einaudi.cornell.edu/faculty_directory
CIAMS (Archaeology), ciams.cornell.edu/people/ Cornell Institute for Public 
Affairs (CIPA), cipa.cornell.edu/academics/fieldfaculty.cfm

From: bounce-124056725-84019...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-124056725-84019...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Stanley Scharf 
[stanley.sch...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 9:09 AM
To: Regi Teasley
Cc: darlingtonbets; Maryfaith Miller; anneb.cl...@gmail.com; 
bluewing-gr...@googlegroups.com; CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)

The most notable act occurred in Burlington, New Jersey, at the 1738 
Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of Quakers. Dressed as a soldier, he concluded a 
diatribe against slavery, quoting the Bible saying that all men should be equal 
under God, by plunging a sword into a Bible containing a bladder of blood-red  
'Pokeberry juice', which spattered over those nearby.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Lay


On 10/26/19, Regi Teasley  wrote:
> Thank you for this information.
>
> Regi
>
>
> What good is a house if you don’t have a tolerable planet to put it in?
> Henry David Thoreau
>
>> On Oct 26, 2019, at 12:53 PM, darlingtonbets 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> A number of years ago, I asked poisonous plant expert, John 
>> Kingsbury, about pokeweed. He's a retired professor of botany from 
>> Cornell and was lecturer in phytotoxicology at Cornell's Vet. 
>> College. And author of "Deadly Harvest," an excellent book on poisonous 
>> plants.
>>
>> He told me that a group of medical researchers who were studying 
>> pokeweed, and handling the plant, all developed leukemia-like 
>> symptoms. (I don't know what happened after that. Did they recover, 
>> once they stopped handling it?)
>>
>> He recommended wearing gloves, if handling the plant. I think he said 
>> that the berries were the least toxic part of the plant.
>>
>> Just because a plant is toxic to humans, of course, doesn't mean it 
>> should be destroyed, just that people should be cautious in using, 
>> handling or eating it.  And many plants that are toxic to humans are 
>> fine for birds and other animals.  Pokeweed is a beautiful, 
>> interesting plant. Just don't eat it or handle it without gloves.
>> Betsy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>> ---- Original message 
>> From: Maryfaith Miller 
>> Date: 10/26/19 12:08 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: anneb.cl...@gmail.com
>> Cc: Regi Teasley , 
>> bluewing-gr...@googlegroups.com, CAYUGABIRDS-L 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)
>>
>> I have used pokeweed berries in my forest kindergarten class to dye 
>> wool an intensely beautiful shade of purple. 5-6-7 year olds, 
>> harvested, crushed, boiled over a campfire and stirred the pot full 
>> of wool roving and pokeweed berries. My students love knowing which 
>> plants are deadly poisonous. I have taught them a lot about 
>> mushrooms, and all of them can identify a destroying angel, jack 
>> o'lanterns, etc. Knowledge is power, and children love having this 
>> knowledge. They know where all the pokeweed plants are at Lime Hollow and 
>> love to inform people about them.
>>
>

RE: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)

[Deb Grantham]

Fascinating!


-Original Message-
From: bounce-124056725-83565...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Stanley Scharf
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 9:09 AM
To: Regi Teasley 
Cc: darlingtonbets ; Maryfaith Miller 
; anneb.cl...@gmail.com; 
bluewing-gr...@googlegroups.com; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)

The most notable act occurred in Burlington, New Jersey, at the 1738 
Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of Quakers. Dressed as a soldier, he concluded a 
diatribe against slavery, quoting the Bible saying that all men should be equal 
under God, by plunging a sword into a Bible containing a bladder of blood-red  
'Pokeberry juice', which spattered over those nearby.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Lay









On 10/26/19, Regi Teasley  wrote:
> Thank you for this information.
>
> Regi
>
>
> What good is a house if you don’t have a tolerable planet to put it in?
> Henry David Thoreau
>
>> On Oct 26, 2019, at 12:53 PM, darlingtonbets 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> A number of years ago, I asked poisonous plant expert, John 
>> Kingsbury, about pokeweed. He's a retired professor of botany from 
>> Cornell and was lecturer in phytotoxicology at Cornell's Vet. 
>> College. And author of "Deadly Harvest," an excellent book on poisonous 
>> plants.
>>
>> He told me that a group of medical researchers who were studying 
>> pokeweed, and handling the plant, all developed leukemia-like 
>> symptoms. (I don't know what happened after that. Did they recover, 
>> once they stopped handling it?)
>>
>> He recommended wearing gloves, if handling the plant. I think he said 
>> that the berries were the least toxic part of the plant.
>>
>> Just because a plant is toxic to humans, of course, doesn't mean it 
>> should be destroyed, just that people should be cautious in using, 
>> handling or eating it.  And many plants that are toxic to humans are 
>> fine for birds and other animals.  Pokeweed is a beautiful, 
>> interesting plant. Just don't eat it or handle it without gloves.
>> Betsy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Maryfaith Miller 
>> Date: 10/26/19 12:08 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: anneb.cl...@gmail.com
>> Cc: Regi Teasley , 
>> bluewing-gr...@googlegroups.com, CAYUGABIRDS-L 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)
>>
>> I have used pokeweed berries in my forest kindergarten class to dye 
>> wool an intensely beautiful shade of purple. 5-6-7 year olds, 
>> harvested, crushed, boiled over a campfire and stirred the pot full 
>> of wool roving and pokeweed berries. My students love knowing which 
>> plants are deadly poisonous. I have taught them a lot about 
>> mushrooms, and all of them can identify a destroying angel, jack 
>> o'lanterns, etc. Knowledge is power, and children love having this 
>> knowledge. They know where all the pokeweed plants are at Lime Hollow and 
>> love to inform people about them.
>>
>>  But this is a bird list, and the question is about bird 
>> behavior...I'd love to hear about the OP's question re American Robin 
>> aggression if anyone knows more about that.
>> Maryfaith Decker Miller
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 11:38 AM  wrote:
>>> And I am living proof that eating young pokeweed is not deadly. We 
>>> didn’t use 3 waters either, although drained it.
>>> But I am NOT suggesting everyone try it. Young spinach causes less panic.
>>> Or try lambs quarters.
>>> Anne
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Regi Teasley  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I understand Pokeweed is poisonous to humans.  Your thoughts on 
>>>> keeping these plants?
>>>>
>>>> Regi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What good is a house if you don’t have a tolerable planet to put it in?
>>>> Henry David Thoreau
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:01 AM, anneb.cl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> This morning I have a large number of robins all age/sexes 
>>>>> foraging on my productive pokeweed berries and scratching leaves 
>>>>> AND chasing each other hard and long.  More athletic long chases 
>>>>> than I am used to associating with robins.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are not just chasing around the berries although I watched 
>>>>> some head lowered face offs ( before a chase) on the fence near pokeweed

RE: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)

[Magnus Fiskesjo]

Looking up a picture of American pokeweed, I am surprised to see on Wikipedia 
it is the same as poke sallet, a k a poke salad, which is a food, that has even 
been described as a "Long-Standing Staple" food for humans, esp. in the US 
South, https://www.saveur.com/poke-sallet
... and Tony Joe White's song “Polk Salad Annie,” covered by Elvis, turns on 
the gathering, cooking, eating, and sucking on leftovers, of this same "poke 
salad." (The song seems to suggest it grows in places where alligators thrive). 

--
Magnus Fiskesjö, PhD
Associate Professor, Department of Anthropology, Cornell University
McGraw Hall, Room 201. Ithaca, NY 14853, USA
E-mail: magnus.fiske...@cornell.edu, or: n...@cornell.edu

Affiliations at Cornell University, WWW:
Anthropology Department, anthropology.cornell.edu/faculty/
Southeast Asia Program (SEAP), seap.einaudi.cornell.edu/faculty_directory
East Asia Program (EAP), eap.einaudi.cornell.edu/faculty_directory
CIAMS (Archaeology), ciams.cornell.edu/people/
Cornell Institute for Public Affairs (CIPA), 
cipa.cornell.edu/academics/fieldfaculty.cfm

From: bounce-124056725-84019...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-124056725-84019...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Stanley Scharf 
[stanley.sch...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 9:09 AM
To: Regi Teasley
Cc: darlingtonbets; Maryfaith Miller; anneb.cl...@gmail.com; 
bluewing-gr...@googlegroups.com; CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)

The most notable act occurred in Burlington, New Jersey, at the 1738
Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of Quakers. Dressed as a soldier, he
concluded a diatribe against slavery, quoting the Bible saying that
all men should be equal under God, by plunging a sword into a Bible
containing a bladder of blood-red  'Pokeberry juice', which spattered
over those nearby.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Lay


On 10/26/19, Regi Teasley  wrote:
> Thank you for this information.
>
> Regi
>
>
> What good is a house if you don’t have a tolerable planet to put it in?
> Henry David Thoreau
>
>> On Oct 26, 2019, at 12:53 PM, darlingtonbets 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> A number of years ago, I asked poisonous plant expert, John Kingsbury,
>> about pokeweed. He's a retired professor of botany from Cornell and was
>> lecturer in phytotoxicology at Cornell's Vet. College. And author of
>> "Deadly Harvest," an excellent book on poisonous plants.
>>
>> He told me that a group of medical researchers who were studying pokeweed,
>> and handling the plant, all developed leukemia-like symptoms. (I don't
>> know what happened after that. Did they recover, once they stopped
>> handling it?)
>>
>> He recommended wearing gloves, if handling the plant. I think he said that
>> the berries were the least toxic part of the plant.
>>
>> Just because a plant is toxic to humans, of course, doesn't mean it should
>> be destroyed, just that people should be cautious in using, handling or
>> eating it.  And many plants that are toxic to humans are fine for birds
>> and other animals.  Pokeweed is a beautiful, interesting plant. Just don't
>> eat it or handle it without gloves.
>> Betsy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>> ---- Original message 
>> From: Maryfaith Miller 
>> Date: 10/26/19 12:08 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: anneb.cl...@gmail.com
>> Cc: Regi Teasley , bluewing-gr...@googlegroups.com,
>> CAYUGABIRDS-L 
>> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)
>>
>> I have used pokeweed berries in my forest kindergarten class to dye wool
>> an intensely beautiful shade of purple. 5-6-7 year olds, harvested,
>> crushed, boiled over a campfire and stirred the pot full of wool roving
>> and pokeweed berries. My students love knowing which plants are deadly
>> poisonous. I have taught them a lot about mushrooms, and all of them can
>> identify a destroying angel, jack o'lanterns, etc. Knowledge is power, and
>> children love having this knowledge. They know where all the pokeweed
>> plants are at Lime Hollow and love to inform people about them.
>>
>>  But this is a bird list, and the question is about bird behavior...I'd
>> love to hear about the OP's question re American Robin aggression if
>> anyone knows more about that.
>> Maryfaith Decker Miller
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 11:38 AM  wrote:
>>> And I am living proof that eating young pokeweed is not deadly. We didn’t
>>> use 3 waters either, although drained it.
>>> But I am NOT suggesting everyone try it. Young spinach causes less panic.
>>> Or try lambs quarters.
>>> Anne
&

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)

[Stanley Scharf]

The most notable act occurred in Burlington, New Jersey, at the 1738
Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of Quakers. Dressed as a soldier, he
concluded a diatribe against slavery, quoting the Bible saying that
all men should be equal under God, by plunging a sword into a Bible
containing a bladder of blood-red  'Pokeberry juice', which spattered
over those nearby.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Lay









On 10/26/19, Regi Teasley  wrote:
> Thank you for this information.
>
> Regi
>
>
> What good is a house if you don’t have a tolerable planet to put it in?
> Henry David Thoreau
>
>> On Oct 26, 2019, at 12:53 PM, darlingtonbets 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> A number of years ago, I asked poisonous plant expert, John Kingsbury,
>> about pokeweed. He's a retired professor of botany from Cornell and was
>> lecturer in phytotoxicology at Cornell's Vet. College. And author of
>> "Deadly Harvest," an excellent book on poisonous plants.
>>
>> He told me that a group of medical researchers who were studying pokeweed,
>> and handling the plant, all developed leukemia-like symptoms. (I don't
>> know what happened after that. Did they recover, once they stopped
>> handling it?)
>>
>> He recommended wearing gloves, if handling the plant. I think he said that
>> the berries were the least toxic part of the plant.
>>
>> Just because a plant is toxic to humans, of course, doesn't mean it should
>> be destroyed, just that people should be cautious in using, handling or
>> eating it.  And many plants that are toxic to humans are fine for birds
>> and other animals.  Pokeweed is a beautiful, interesting plant. Just don't
>> eat it or handle it without gloves.
>> Betsy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message ----
>> From: Maryfaith Miller 
>> Date: 10/26/19 12:08 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: anneb.cl...@gmail.com
>> Cc: Regi Teasley , bluewing-gr...@googlegroups.com,
>> CAYUGABIRDS-L 
>> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)
>>
>> I have used pokeweed berries in my forest kindergarten class to dye wool
>> an intensely beautiful shade of purple. 5-6-7 year olds, harvested,
>> crushed, boiled over a campfire and stirred the pot full of wool roving
>> and pokeweed berries. My students love knowing which plants are deadly
>> poisonous. I have taught them a lot about mushrooms, and all of them can
>> identify a destroying angel, jack o'lanterns, etc. Knowledge is power, and
>> children love having this knowledge. They know where all the pokeweed
>> plants are at Lime Hollow and love to inform people about them.
>>
>>  But this is a bird list, and the question is about bird behavior...I'd
>> love to hear about the OP's question re American Robin aggression if
>> anyone knows more about that.
>> Maryfaith Decker Miller
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 11:38 AM  wrote:
>>> And I am living proof that eating young pokeweed is not deadly. We didn’t
>>> use 3 waters either, although drained it.
>>> But I am NOT suggesting everyone try it. Young spinach causes less panic.
>>> Or try lambs quarters.
>>> Anne
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Regi Teasley  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I understand Pokeweed is poisonous to humans.  Your thoughts on keeping
>>>> these plants?
>>>>
>>>> Regi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What good is a house if you don’t have a tolerable planet to put it in?
>>>> Henry David Thoreau
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:01 AM, anneb.cl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> This morning I have a large number of robins all age/sexes foraging on
>>>>> my productive pokeweed berries and scratching leaves AND chasing each
>>>>> other hard and long.  More athletic long chases than I am used to
>>>>> associating with robins.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are not just chasing around the berries although I watched some
>>>>> head lowered face offs ( before a chase) on the fence near pokeweed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Cayugabirds-L List Info:
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)

[Regi Teasley]

Thank you for this information.  

Regi


What good is a house if you don’t have a tolerable planet to put it in?  Henry 
David Thoreau

> On Oct 26, 2019, at 12:53 PM, darlingtonbets  wrote:
> 
> 
> A number of years ago, I asked poisonous plant expert, John Kingsbury, about 
> pokeweed. He's a retired professor of botany from Cornell and was lecturer in 
> phytotoxicology at Cornell's Vet. College. And author of "Deadly Harvest," an 
> excellent book on poisonous plants. 
> 
> He told me that a group of medical researchers who were studying pokeweed, 
> and handling the plant, all developed leukemia-like symptoms. (I don't know 
> what happened after that. Did they recover, once they stopped handling it?)  
> 
> He recommended wearing gloves, if handling the plant. I think he said that 
> the berries were the least toxic part of the plant. 
> 
> Just because a plant is toxic to humans, of course, doesn't mean it should be 
> destroyed, just that people should be cautious in using, handling or eating 
> it.  And many plants that are toxic to humans are fine for birds and other 
> animals.  Pokeweed is a beautiful, interesting plant. Just don't eat it or 
> handle it without gloves.
> Betsy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Maryfaith Miller 
> Date: 10/26/19 12:08 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: anneb.cl...@gmail.com
> Cc: Regi Teasley , bluewing-gr...@googlegroups.com, 
> CAYUGABIRDS-L 
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)
> 
> I have used pokeweed berries in my forest kindergarten class to dye wool an 
> intensely beautiful shade of purple. 5-6-7 year olds, harvested, crushed, 
> boiled over a campfire and stirred the pot full of wool roving and pokeweed 
> berries. My students love knowing which plants are deadly poisonous. I have 
> taught them a lot about mushrooms, and all of them can identify a destroying 
> angel, jack o'lanterns, etc. Knowledge is power, and children love having 
> this knowledge. They know where all the pokeweed plants are at Lime Hollow 
> and love to inform people about them.
> 
>  But this is a bird list, and the question is about bird behavior...I'd love 
> to hear about the OP's question re American Robin aggression if anyone knows 
> more about that.
> Maryfaith Decker Miller
> 
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 11:38 AM  wrote:
>> And I am living proof that eating young pokeweed is not deadly. We didn’t 
>> use 3 waters either, although drained it. 
>> But I am NOT suggesting everyone try it. Young spinach causes less panic. Or 
>> try lambs quarters. 
>> Anne 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Regi Teasley  wrote:
>> 
>>> I understand Pokeweed is poisonous to humans.  Your thoughts on keeping 
>>> these plants?
>>> 
>>> Regi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What good is a house if you don’t have a tolerable planet to put it in?  
>>> Henry David Thoreau
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:01 AM, anneb.cl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This morning I have a large number of robins all age/sexes foraging on my 
>>>> productive pokeweed berries and scratching leaves AND chasing each other 
>>>> hard and long.  More athletic long chases than I am used to associating 
>>>> with robins. 
>>>> 
>>>> They are not just chasing around the berries although I watched some head 
>>>> lowered face offs ( before a chase) on the fence near pokeweed. 
>>>> 
>>>> Anne 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> --
>>>> 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)

[Chris R. Pelkie]

Agreed! I have some pokeweed growing behind the shed, no intention of removing 
(or tasting) it. I went to wiki initially to see if the toxins were 
intoxicating Anne’s robins but there’s no obvious support for that from this 
plant. I have seen robins et al get ripped on late season “raisins” from wild 
cherry so wondered if that was similar.

[Btw, I worked for Dr John many moons ago as a barely passable cook and 
carpenter assistant building the lab on Appledore Island when he was director 
of Isles of Shoals.]

___
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Data Manager; IT Support
Center for Conservation Bioacoustics
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
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On Oct 26, 2019, at 12:54, darlingtonbets 
mailto:darlingtonb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

just that people should be cautious in using, handling or eating it.  And many 
plants that are toxic to humans are fine for birds and other animals.  Pokeweed 
is a beautiful, interesting plant. Just don't eat it or handle it without 
gloves.
Betsy

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)

[darlingtonbets]

A number of years ago, I asked poisonous plant expert, John Kingsbury, about 
pokeweed. He's a retired professor of botany from Cornell and was lecturer in 
phytotoxicology at Cornell's Vet. College. And author of "Deadly Harvest," an 
excellent book on poisonous plants. He told me that a group of medical 
researchers who were studying pokeweed, and handling the plant, all developed 
leukemia-like symptoms. (I don't know what happened after that. Did they 
recover, once they stopped handling it?)  He recommended wearing gloves, if 
handling the plant. I think he said that the berries were the least toxic part 
of the plant. Just because a plant is toxic to humans, of course, doesn't mean 
it should be destroyed, just that people should be cautious in using, handling 
or eating it.  And many plants that are toxic to humans are fine for birds and 
other animals.  Pokeweed is a beautiful, interesting plant. Just don't eat it 
or handle it without gloves.BetsySent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Maryfaith Miller 
 Date: 10/26/19  12:08 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
anneb.cl...@gmail.com Cc: Regi Teasley , 
bluewing-gr...@googlegroups.com, CAYUGABIRDS-L  
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!) I have used pokeweed 
berries in my forest kindergarten class to dye wool an intensely beautiful 
shade of purple. 5-6-7 year olds, harvested, crushed, boiled over a campfire 
and stirred the pot full of wool roving and pokeweed berries. My students love 
knowing which plants are deadly poisonous. I have taught them a lot about 
mushrooms, and all of them can identify a destroying angel, jack o'lanterns, 
etc. Knowledge is power, and children love having this knowledge. They know 
where all the pokeweed plants are at Lime Hollow and love to inform people 
about them. But this is a bird list, and the question is about bird 
behavior...I'd love to hear about the OP's question re American Robin 
aggression if anyone knows more about that.Maryfaith Decker MillerOn Sat, Oct 
26, 2019 at 11:38 AM  wrote:And I am living proof that 
eating young pokeweed is not deadly. We didn’t use 3 waters either, although 
drained it. But I am NOT suggesting everyone try it. Young spinach causes less 
panic. Or try lambs quarters. Anne Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 26, 2019, at 9:56 
AM, Regi Teasley  wrote:I understand Pokeweed is poisonous 
to humans.  Your thoughts on keeping these plants?RegiWhat good is a house if 
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2019, at 9:01 AM, anneb.cl...@gmail.com wrote:This morning I have a large 
number of robins all age/sexes foraging on my productive pokeweed berries and 
scratching leaves AND chasing each other hard and long.  More athletic long 
chases than I am used to associating with robins. They are not just chasing 
around the berries although I watched some head lowered face offs ( before a 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)

[Maryfaith Miller]

I have used pokeweed berries in my forest kindergarten class to dye wool an
intensely beautiful shade of purple. 5-6-7 year olds, harvested, crushed,
boiled over a campfire and stirred the pot full of wool roving and pokeweed
berries. My students love knowing which plants are deadly poisonous. I have
taught them a lot about mushrooms, and all of them can identify a
destroying angel, jack o'lanterns, etc. Knowledge is power, and children
love having this knowledge. They know where all the pokeweed plants are at
Lime Hollow and love to inform people about them.

 But this is a bird list, and the question is about bird behavior...I'd
love to hear about the OP's question re American Robin aggression if anyone
knows more about that.
Maryfaith Decker Miller

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 11:38 AM  wrote:

> And I am living proof that eating young pokeweed is not deadly. We didn’t
> use 3 waters either, although drained it.
> But I am NOT suggesting everyone try it. Young spinach causes less panic.
> Or try lambs quarters.
> Anne
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Regi Teasley  wrote:
>
> I understand Pokeweed is poisonous to humans.  Your thoughts on keeping
> these plants?
>
> Regi
>
>
> *What good is a house if you don’t have a tolerable planet to put it in?
> Henry David Thoreau*
>
> On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:01 AM, anneb.cl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 
> This morning I have a large number of robins all age/sexes foraging on my
> productive pokeweed berries and scratching leaves AND chasing each other
> hard and long.  More athletic long chases than I am used to associating
> with robins.
>
> They are not just chasing around the berries although I watched some head
> lowered face offs ( before a chase) on the fence near pokeweed.
>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)

[anneb . clark]

And I am living proof that eating young pokeweed is not deadly. We didn’t use 3 
waters either, although drained it. 
But I am NOT suggesting everyone try it. Young spinach causes less panic. Or 
try lambs quarters. 
Anne 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Regi Teasley  wrote:
> 
> I understand Pokeweed is poisonous to humans.  Your thoughts on keeping these 
> plants?
> 
> Regi
> 
> 
> What good is a house if you don’t have a tolerable planet to put it in?  
> Henry David Thoreau
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:01 AM, anneb.cl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This morning I have a large number of robins all age/sexes foraging on my 
>> productive pokeweed berries and scratching leaves AND chasing each other 
>> hard and long.  More athletic long chases than I am used to associating with 
>> robins. 
>> 
>> They are not just chasing around the berries although I watched some head 
>> lowered face offs ( before a chase) on the fence near pokeweed. 
>> 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)

[anneb . clark]

Yup everyone, I am fully aware of the toxicity of pokeweed and allow a nice big 
plant to grow up where I can see it fruit every year without any problems. 

There are many berries toxic to humans out there. And toxic plants. But they 
feed birds and other wildlife. Pokeweed berries are especially used by birds 
around this time. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Regi Teasley  wrote:
> 
> I understand Pokeweed is poisonous to humans.  Your thoughts on keeping these 
> plants?
> 
> Regi
> 
> 
> What good is a house if you don’t have a tolerable planet to put it in?  
> Henry David Thoreau
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:01 AM, anneb.cl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This morning I have a large number of robins all age/sexes foraging on my 
>> productive pokeweed berries and scratching leaves AND chasing each other 
>> hard and long.  More athletic long chases than I am used to associating with 
>> robins. 
>> 
>> They are not just chasing around the berries although I watched some head 
>> lowered face offs ( before a chase) on the fence near pokeweed. 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)

[Regi Teasley]

I understand Pokeweed is poisonous to humans.  Your thoughts on keeping these 
plants?

Regi


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David Thoreau

> On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:01 AM, anneb.cl...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> This morning I have a large number of robins all age/sexes foraging on my 
> productive pokeweed berries and scratching leaves AND chasing each other hard 
> and long.  More athletic long chases than I am used to associating with 
> robins. 
> 
> They are not just chasing around the berries although I watched some head 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Angry birds (Am robins!)

[Chris R. Pelkie]

For the record, don’t try this at home! Poke berries are very toxic to humans 
and many other mammals though some foxes, mice,etc are resistant, as are many 
songbirds that distribute the seeds after ingestion. Make sure your kids do NOT 
ingest these.
Poke leaves are made edible only after three separate boilings in fresh water. 
See wiki for details.

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Center for Conservation Bioacoustics
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
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Ithaca, NY 14850
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On Oct 26, 2019, at 09:00, 
"anneb.cl...@gmail.com" 
mailto:anneb.cl...@gmail.com>> wrote:


This morning I have a large number of robins all age/sexes foraging on my 
productive pokeweed berries and scratching leaves AND chasing each other hard 
and long.  More athletic long chases than I am used to associating with robins.

They are not just chasing around the berries although I watched some head 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Feeder birds

[Regi Teasley]

Why isn’t there much wild food?

Thanks,
Regi



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> On Nov 13, 2018, at 2:34 PM, Bard Prentiss  wrote:
> 
> Two Fridays ago Matt Young 
> stoped by for a visit. In the course of our chatting he mentioned that unlike 
> last year this’ll be a good year for feeder birds since there isn’t much wild 
> food. WOW was he right. In the last few days my feeders in Dryden village 
> have been visited by countless   Chickadees tufted tit mice. Downey and Harry 
> wood peckers small flocks of pine Siskins and. Gold finches. Several each of 
> white and red breasted nuthatches pairs of Carolina wren bousefinch and red 
> belly woodpeckers several morning doves and probably a lot more that slips my 
> mind. Some year. 
> Waiting for evening and blue grosbeaks. 
> 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Missing birds

[Geo Kloppel]

Hi Cathy,

Hmmm... I see a lot of barn swallows around number 400 Gunderman right now, so 
it seems that what you’re experiencing is not a neighborhood-wide phenomenon.

Also see some House Sparrows up here, and the ubiquitous Starlings. Competitors 
for nest boxes.

-Geo

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Cathy Darrow  wrote:
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> Prompted by the Swallow related posts a few days ago, I want to add the 
> complete lack of tree swallows and barn swallows at our house. This is in 
> Danby, Gunderman and Jersey Hill Road where there is lots of open fields that 
> hay is the crop. There is no spraying just spreading of lime and fertilizer. 
> This spring there were a few barn swallows which appeared to be looking for 
> the usual nesting places but then they were seen no more. And the numbers 
> have been decreasing for a few years. 
> Now the tree swallows, 3 or 4 showed up and two were seen working around 
> their usual nest box for a few days, when we found one dead inside the box 
> and none others seen since. I say the rest were probably smart but we are 
> feeling sad cause I feel they have been the major insect controller for our 
> yard over the many years when there have been many, many tree swallows over 
> and around our pond. Last year the numbers were down to a dozen maybe. 
> Hoping for something to turn around. 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] local birds - nothing exceptional here!

[Alicia]

Today on the Ravine Trail in the National Forest there were three 
separate groups of Ovenbirds moving together & making continual chip 
calls: two groups of three birds and one of four. They were surprisingly 
bold and would land quite near (w/i 6') of my dog and me, still making 
chip notes.  I'm guessing they were groups of fledglings since in June 
the Ovenbirds there were a lot more cautious.  Did not hear or see any 
BT Greens, which also usually breed there - there were many males on 
territory in spring - but maybe they have dispersed already.


We had Carolina Wrens year 'round at our house in Ovid (Seneca Basin) 
since we bought it in May 1990, until Feb 2015 when the prolonged cold 
spell wiped out not only ours but probably over 90% of the ones that had 
settled in S. Seneca County in the last 25 years.  However they are 
prolific little birds and the territories are slowly refilling.  Earlier 
this month, a male was shepherding fledglings through our yard and they 
all were feasting on spiders and insects in the brush piles we keep for 
that purpose.  The fledglings aren't apparent anymore but he has 
continued to sing here daily, often answered by the female chattering, 
and finally last week I found half of a Carolina Wren eggshell in our 
lane - first sign of nesting here since Sept 2014.


Robins, Phoebes, M. Doves, & GC Flycatcher all fledged broods earlier 
this year. In the past week Catbirds, Cardinals, Titmice, WB Nuthatches, 
and Downy, Hairy & Pileated woodpeckers all have been feeding (or 
avoiding) begging fledglings.  Screetch owls didn't nest in our yard 
this year but we have been hearing bounce calls the past few nights so 
perhaps one or two is prospecting for territory.  The adult bald eagles 
aren't fishing in our cove any more - their nest apparently was on the 
west side of Seneca Lake and they would fly all the way across with the 
fish they caught! - but we are seeing more juvenile eagles now.


Missing nesters this year include B. Orioles (first time ever we haven't 
had at least one pair nesting in the yard); RB Woodpecker (ditto); RT 
Hummingbirds (finally saw FOY three weeks ago but instead of several 
regular visitors all spring & summer, we have what seems to be a single 
unusually shy female/immature coming to the trumpet vine, fuchsia & 
other flowers planted specifically for them); and Wood Thrush (we heard 
some occasionally thru May & June so they may be nesting nearby but not 
here).  Up the road there seem to be no Indigo Buntings when usually 
there are many, and only a single male E. Meadowlark with his harem, 
instead of the usual two or three males.  Chipping Sparrows also seem to 
be down and the Grasshopper Sparrow that was there last year did not 
return.  OTOH, it has been an exceptional year for Barn Swallows there 
with two dozen swooping around now.


Overall we have had no unusual nesting birds and are missing several of 
the regulars for the first time.  Not sure why - there doesn't seem to 
have been any significant habitat change in the area.


Alicia



On 7/29/2017 5:31 PM, Kevin J. McGowan wrote:
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> while. I admit that I'm as guilty as anyone of not posting my 
> sightings. I get most of my "hot bird info" from my hourly email eBird 
> "needs list" updates for the county. It's an awesome tool, but it's 
> not as friendly as CayugaBirds. (Just as an aside, Steve Kelling 
> created both of these forums!!)
>
>
> So, here are some of my recent observations and thoughts.
>
>
> There are lots of baby birds out there right now. I'm hearing 
> hatch-year bird calls everywhere I go. Also, young warblers seem to be 
> on the move right now. We've had lots of young Yellow Warblers around 
> the Lab trails this week, and most of there were NOT produced on the 
> local grounds. This was an oddly Yellow-Warbler-free year in Sapsucker 
> Woods. As far as I know, there were NO breeding pairs around the Lab 
> pond this year. So it seems that newly-produced warblers are 
> dispersing. I had some nice encounters with hatch-year Blue-winged and 
> Chestnut-sided warblers today, and I heard young warbler chips and 
> zeeps in lots of places while driving around town.
>
>
> My weekly crow census at the Cornell compost facility on Stevenson Rd 
> turned up a single Herring Gull amongst the approximately 500 
> Ring-billed Gulls (only present in the last few weeks). Also, a single 
> SOLITARY SANDPIPER foraging along the drainage ponds. A PEREGRINE 
> FALCON of undetermined age (man, they fly fast!!) came through and 
> flushed just about everything.
>
>
> A few shorebirds are being reported at Myers Point, and a respectable 
> report of the transitional male RUFF came in this week from the main 
> drive at Montezuma.  So, get out there and find some birds. And let us 
> know what you find.
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] local birds

[Donna Lee Scott]

My afternoon walk in my second and third growth woods didn't yield the bounty 
of birds of Geo's woodlands, but I heard a PEEWEE, a CARDINAL & a SCARLET 
TANAGER. Also saw a female DOWNY WOODPECKER softly pecking a tree, as well as a 
freshly discarded pure white egg shell.
My yard w/ feeders has several species, too, including regular ROSE BREASTED 
GROSBEAKS & CAROLINA WRENS. Most mornings I hear an OSPREY chirping over the 
lake shore.

Donna Scott
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On Jul 29, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Kevin J. McGowan 
> wrote:


There hasn't been much local birding information on this list for a while. I 
admit that I'm as guilty as anyone of not posting my sightings. I get most of 
my "hot bird info" from my hourly email eBird "needs list" updates for the 
county. It's an awesome tool, but it's not as friendly as CayugaBirds. (Just as 
an aside, Steve Kelling created both of these forums!!)


So, here are some of my recent observations and thoughts.


There are lots of baby birds out there right now. I'm hearing hatch-year bird 
calls everywhere I go. Also, young warblers seem to be on the move right now. 
We've had lots of young Yellow Warblers around the Lab trails this week, and 
most of there were NOT produced on the local grounds. This was an oddly 
Yellow-Warbler-free year in Sapsucker Woods. As far as I know, there were NO 
breeding pairs around the Lab pond this year. So it seems that newly-produced 
warblers are dispersing. I had some nice encounters with hatch-year Blue-winged 
and Chestnut-sided warblers today, and I heard young warbler chips and zeeps in 
lots of places while driving around town.


My weekly crow census at the Cornell compost facility on Stevenson Rd turned up 
a single Herring Gull amongst the approximately 500 Ring-billed Gulls (only 
present in the last few weeks). Also, a single SOLITARY SANDPIPER foraging 
along the drainage ponds. A PEREGRINE FALCON of undetermined age (man, they fly 
fast!!) came through and flushed just about everything.


A few shorebirds are being reported at Myers Point, and a respectable report of 
the transitional male RUFF came in this week from the main drive at Montezuma.  
So, get out there and find some birds. And let us know what you find.


Kevin

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] local birds

[Geo Kloppel]

Forgot to mention that one of my nest boxes fledged a brood of Chickadees in 
June, and then a couple of weeks ago I spotted a pair of Chickadees 
refurbishing it. Now it contains a full clutch of eggs.

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] local birds

[Geo Kloppel]

At least one Broad-winged Hawk fledgling has been around my yard for several 
days, calling to be fed. Species that breed down in the valley below me have 
begun making (post-breeding) appearances up here: Kingfishers, Great Crested 
Flycatchers, Yellow-throated Vireo. I've noticed Wood Peewees moving around 
too. The local Barred Owls are moderately vocal.

No bears have visited me this season, so I'm still feeding sunflower seeds, and 
like others, I have had a flush of young Rose-breasted Grosbeaks and Purple 
Finches (and Towhees), the produce I guess of nests that were situated close 
just to take advantage of this resource. I got so used to the calls of young 
RBGBs that their absence was really noticeable when I visited Labrador Pond and 
Clark Reservation on Wednesday afternoon. No sunflower feeders at either 
location, that I could see, but the swamp milkweed is really gorgeous now, and 
monarchs obviously love it! The little Nature Center at Clark Reservation has 
such a lovely garden that I was sorry there was no one around to compliment.

A few days ago I scouted for a practical (if arduous) route by which I could 
get my kayak out to the open water in Michigan Hollow Marsh. Probably won't 
yield any surprises, but if I don't do it this year, when the the water is so 
high, will I _ever_?

-Geo

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 5:31 PM, Kevin J. McGowan  wrote:

> .  So, get out there and find some birds. And let us know what you find.

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Morning birds

[Nancy Tonachel Gabriel]

Driving up the lower part of Stone Quarry Road, we caught a great view of a 
brightly red-topped Pileated woodpecker getting breakfast from a small tree 
right at the road's edge.

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Feeder birds

[John Confer]

On southern end of Hammond Hill, four Fox Sparrow seen at once at our feeder, 
but no White-throats nor Song. Several dozen junco, but fewer goldfinch than in 
recent past. Over 100 b'birds: mostly red-wings, several grackles, 1 cowbird, 
and a few starlings


Sitting at the window in this weather beats going out to watch starving birds.


John



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Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Feeder birds

I have a song sparrow as well Dave.along with 2 white throats (of
different flavors) along with lots of blackbirds (red wings, grackles,
starlings) and a female cardinal eating suet!!

Stay warm all. Can Spring be far away?
Pete Sar


On 3/14/2017 10:30 PM, Dave Nutter wrote:
> I, too, did some feeder-watching this afternoon. I was hoping for a Fox 
> Sparrow, a species which I saw in my yard a few years back during a late 
> heavy snowstorm. My hopes were raised briefly by what turned out to be a Song 
> Sparrow, which eventually fed on a suet/seed block, a behavior I hadn't seen 
> before. I guess that bird must innovate to stay fed.
>
> I also saw an Icterid which I expected to be a local Red-winged Blackbird, 
> since they have been in the area and even sung from my yard, where they nest. 
> Instead it turned out to be a Rusty Blackbird, a new species for my yard, 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Feeder birds

[Peter]

I have a song sparrow as well Dave.along with 2 white throats (of 
different flavors) along with lots of blackbirds (red wings, grackles, 
starlings) and a female cardinal eating suet!!


Stay warm all. Can Spring be far away?
Pete Sar


On 3/14/2017 10:30 PM, Dave Nutter wrote:

I, too, did some feeder-watching this afternoon. I was hoping for a Fox 
Sparrow, a species which I saw in my yard a few years back during a late heavy 
snowstorm. My hopes were raised briefly by what turned out to be a Song 
Sparrow, which eventually fed on a suet/seed block, a behavior I hadn't seen 
before. I guess that bird must innovate to stay fed.

I also saw an Icterid which I expected to be a local Red-winged Blackbird, 
since they have been in the area and even sung from my yard, where they nest. 
Instead it turned out to be a Rusty Blackbird, a new species for my yard, 
although there is a bit of woods and wetland adjacent. I think it was visiting 
feeders at my neighbor's.

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Re:[cayugabirds-l] Roadside birds

[Meena Madhav Haribal]

Hi all,

In the morning when I checked the winds, just around the latitude of Ithaca or 
slightly lower and till above to Watertown area there was a strong West-East 
wind of 34 kmph.  And mild wind below these latitudes. So all these birds we 
are seeing must of come across the strong West east wind and dropped down in 
our area.

Blackbirds I posted several hours ago were hanging out in my neighborhood 
almost till 1.00 pm and now they are missing.


I also had a Sapsucker and several Juncos along with other species of local 
residents (I think) like 2 Hairys, 2 Downies, several Blue Jays, Robins (which 
have been feeding along the roadside or on the driveways.


Now encouraged by Laura's posts, I might go and take a spin along and Hunt and 
Hurd roads to look at the Fox Sparrows. I seem to have heard them twice but not 
seen one.


Cheers


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Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 1:32 PM
To: Kevin J. McGowan
Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Roadside birds

In addition to the birds Kevin has mentioned along the roadside in Dryden, 
there are many fox sparrow and Song sparrows. I just drive up Hunt hill Road 
and counted 15 Fox sparrows along the road.
Laura

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On Apr 3, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Kevin J. McGowan 
> wrote:


Dryden back road edges are covered in robins and pipits. Also savannah 
sparrows, killdeer, and a few flickers.
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2016, at 12:55 PM, "David Nicosia" 
> wrote:


American Pipits in many locales down here in Broome co too. Many close up.  
Must have been a big fallout of this species last night.

On Apr 3, 2016 10:51 AM, "Paul Anderson" 
> wrote:
At Myer's Point just now, where the strong North wind is brutal, there was a 
remarkable number of American Pipits on the road along Salmon Creek leading up 
to the spit. I estimate at least fifty.

At Ladoga, where it was more sheltered but still unpleasant, - more Pipits! 
Eight on the road in, and another six or so by the shore. South of the shore 
was a flock of thirteen Red-breasted Mergansers. A flock of about twenty Tree 
Swallows were flying around by the docks. An Osprey was carrying nesting 
material.

I had come from leading the beginner bird walk at Sapsucker Woods where four 
visitors were brave enough to join. We encountered many flocks of Rusty 
Blackbirds, but it was impossible for me to tell for sure how many in total 
because they were moving around so much. I would guess about 20-30 individuals. 
My guests were happy to see their first Sapsucker ever.

-Paul

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Mall birds

[Melanie Uhlir]

Correction: I think the lone tree is actually a cherry tree.

I know starlings are "bad birds" but their breeding plumage is actually 
quite striking in the sun.

Melanie

On 3/17/2016 4:47 PM, Melanie Uhlir wrote:
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> Two Killdeer are pulling worms out of one of the planted barriers at 
> The Shops at Ithaca Mall. They have 3 Starlings for company.
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] New birds (for me anyway) at Salt Point.

[John Greenly]

yes, that Mockingbird is a virtuoso- when he's really geared up , so 
many songs go by so fast that it is bewildering.  And he doesn't only do 
the showy songsters, his Willow Flycatcher imitation is just about 
perfect!  But Marie knows him well, and his Wood Thrush isn't his best 
rendition.


--John

On 6/11/2015 11:40 AM, Gary Kohlenberg wrote:

I had to smile at you hesitance with the Wood Thrush because on May 9th I 
recorded a Northern Mockingbird at Salt Point singing the best series of 
imitations I've ever heard. I actually removed a couple birds from my eBird 
list when I watched the Mockingbird singing perfect renditions. He was doing 
better N. Cardinal songs than the nearby dueling Cardinal.
Gary



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Hi all,

I'm doing a photo project at Salt Point in Lansing, and have been there most 
mornings for several weeks. It's been interesting to see and hear the changes 
in avifauna and behavior as the breeding season progresses.

Especially interesting this morning were several new (to me) species:

Scarlet Tanager singing male. Finally a good view of a species I thought I saw 
here a couple of weeks ago.
Indigo Bunting singing male.
Biggest surprise was hearing a Wood Thrush singing from near the Osprey tower. 
Didn't see the bird, and only heard once...but unless there's a very good mimic 
in there somewhere, or someone else was doing playbacks, I'm going to count 
it...it's a pretty distinctive song...

Other delights:

Fledgling Baltimore Oriole
Cedar Waxwing pair building a nest.
A whole bevy of orioles, grackles, kingbirds mobbing a crow that (presumably) 
was threatening one of their nests in a cottonwood...
Osprey pair both on the nest, one feeding the other, presumably also feeding 
young—Candace Cornell confirmed yesterday morning that all three (yes?) eggs 
have now hatched. Let the Great Airlift of Fish begin!

On the downside:

The Common Merganser brood, that by Tuesday morning had shrunk from 15-16 to 8, 
was nowhere to be seen.
There was a lot of nasty, unphotogenic debris on the lake.
The high water in Salmon Creek has washed away one of the best log/waterfowl 
perches...PFFFAHHH!!!(Bird photographers have a different agenda...!)

Marie


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] New birds (for me anyway) at Salt Point.

[Gary Kohlenberg]

I had to smile at you hesitance with the Wood Thrush because on May 9th I 
recorded a Northern Mockingbird at Salt Point singing the best series of 
imitations I've ever heard. I actually removed a couple birds from my eBird 
list when I watched the Mockingbird singing perfect renditions. He was doing 
better N. Cardinal songs than the nearby dueling Cardinal. 
Gary 



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Hi all,

I'm doing a photo project at Salt Point in Lansing, and have been there most 
mornings for several weeks. It's been interesting to see and hear the changes 
in avifauna and behavior as the breeding season progresses.

Especially interesting this morning were several new (to me) species:

Scarlet Tanager singing male. Finally a good view of a species I thought I saw 
here a couple of weeks ago.
Indigo Bunting singing male.
Biggest surprise was hearing a Wood Thrush singing from near the Osprey tower. 
Didn't see the bird, and only heard once...but unless there's a very good mimic 
in there somewhere, or someone else was doing playbacks, I'm going to count 
it...it's a pretty distinctive song...

Other delights:

Fledgling Baltimore Oriole
Cedar Waxwing pair building a nest.
A whole bevy of orioles, grackles, kingbirds mobbing a crow that (presumably) 
was threatening one of their nests in a cottonwood...
Osprey pair both on the nest, one feeding the other, presumably also feeding 
young—Candace Cornell confirmed yesterday morning that all three (yes?) eggs 
have now hatched. Let the Great Airlift of Fish begin!

On the downside:

The Common Merganser brood, that by Tuesday morning had shrunk from 15-16 to 8, 
was nowhere to be seen.
There was a lot of nasty, unphotogenic debris on the lake.
The high water in Salmon Creek has washed away one of the best log/waterfowl 
perches...PFFFAHHH!!!(Bird photographers have a different agenda...!)

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Old Birds/New Birds

[Alicia Plotkin]

The only choice they have at our feeders this time of year is sunflower 
seeds, a combination of shelled kernals and black oil in the shell.  It 
seems to attract all the birds that eats seed, including birds that 
typically like nyjer seed.


Alicia



On 5/6/2015 3:42 PM, Melanie Uhlir wrote:

What do Indigo Buntings eat at a feeder? I will buy LOTS of it!

On 5/6/2015 2:35 PM, Alicia Plotkin wrote:

Nothing borrowed but something definitely blue: brilliant male Indigo
Bunting is sharing our feeders with four Pine Siskins.  Weird year.

Alicia

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Old Birds/New Birds

[Melanie Uhlir]

What do Indigo Buntings eat at a feeder? I will buy LOTS of it!

On 5/6/2015 2:35 PM, Alicia Plotkin wrote:
Nothing borrowed but something definitely blue: brilliant male Indigo 
Bunting is sharing our feeders with four Pine Siskins.  Weird year.


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Old Birds/New Birds

[Linda Madeo]

I find our visiting Bunting likes both Niger seed and sunflower seed. That's 
what we have out.

 On May 6, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Melanie Uhlir mela...@mwmu.com wrote:
 
 What do Indigo Buntings eat at a feeder? I will buy LOTS of it!
 
 On 5/6/2015 2:35 PM, Alicia Plotkin wrote:
 Nothing borrowed but something definitely blue: brilliant male Indigo 
 Bunting is sharing our feeders with four Pine Siskins.  Weird year.
 
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RE:[cayugabirds-l] EIRW birds

[Meena Madhav Haribal]

Also a new bird for EIRW was a Fish Crow, which flew overhead while calling! 
May be it was heading to the dump!

From: bounce-119132684-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] EIRW birds


Finally the Catbirds and Baltimore have arrived at EIRW and in Hawthorn 
Orchard, but my yard Catbird is not come.  But no Common Yellowthroat yet.
Today's other arrivals are 3 or 4 Least Flycatchers, 4 singing Nashvilles in 
different locations, one Yellow-rumped Warbler and one Great-crested 
flycatcher. Brown Thrashers seem to have become common on route to work. Two 
birds were singing one of them seem to have followed me as I watched him for 
some time and then walked ahead. He followed me landed on a closer tree and 
continued singing facing me.

Meena

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Re:[cayugabirds-l] Winter birds, Ithaca area

[Nari Mistry]

A pair of Fox Sparrows stayed around here until the day after 
Thanksgiving (Nov.27). One of them had a droopy left wing and I was 
assuming could not fly long distances. Now they seem to have gone.
White-throated Sparrows have been around for several weeks.
A flock of A.Tree Sparrows were in the bushes around the bridge on Dodge 
Rd. a couple of weekends ago.
Yesterday we had a C.Grackle and a female Cowbird at our feeders. That 
was unusual.
Today with the warmer weather most birds are foraging elsewhere, except 
for a wise old Crow (no tags) walking around picking up bits of suet 
under the feeder.

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Winter birds, Ithaca area

[Meena Madhav Haribal]

​Thank you Jay for posting about the recent birds for the benefit of 
non-ebirders!


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From: bounce-118567517-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
bounce-118567517-3493...@list.cornell.edu on behalf of Jay McGowan 
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Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:04 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Winter birds, Ithaca area

Since not many folks are posting these days, I thought it might be nice to 
update the group as a whole on Ithaca birding over the last week or two.

Despite a rash of first reports, AMERICAN TREE SPARROWS have been around for 
a couple of weeks now. I saw my first on October 23 (a bit early), and they 
were in most brushy areas in the Northeast Ithaca area by the end of October, 
and I've had them on pretty much every list since then. Maybe they're starting 
to come in to more feeders now that it's getting snowier. Several other species 
of sparrows are still lingering. FOX SPARROWS are mostly gone, but SWAMP 
SPARROWS are still present in several locations, and at least two SAVANNAH 
SPARROWS continue in the cattail patch in the field on Bluegrass Lane. Chris 
Wood and Kevin McGowan had an adult WHITE-CROWNED SPARROW along the entrance 
road to the compost on November 15. Also on the 15th, Ken found two LAPLAND 
LONGSPURS in the corn field on Bluegrass Lane SNOW BUNTINGS are still being 
reported as flyovers, but no significant numbers have been reported at this end 
of the lake recently.

PINE SISKINS continue to be reported in small numbers, still mostly as flyovers 
but occasionally at feeders. Despite reports of EVENING GROSBEAKS around to the 
east and west of the Basin, I still haven't heard of any around here except for 
a flyover by Chris Wood on November 8. Scattered reports of COMMON REDPOLLS 
farther north give hope for a redpoll year a little later on. WHITE-WINGED 
CROSSBILLS are still scarce, but I did have one fly over Sapsucker Woods on 
November 13.

Duck hunters at Myers Point have reduced waterfowl numbers and diversity 
drastically there. A large mixed-species flock off Stewart Park currently 
harbors low numbers of all five Aythya, including a single male CANVASBACK, as 
well as other expected species and quite a few RUDDY DUCKS. CACKLING GEESE seem 
to be passing through right now, with 5-6 in the large goose flock of Stewart 
Park on 23 and 24 November. SNOW GEESE are still not moving through in numbers.

Interesting gulls have still been fairly scarce. Still the only ICELAND GULL of 
the season was an early one at the compost and over campus on November 3-4. Tim 
Lenz had an immature GLAUCOUS GULL at Stewart Park on November 23 but to my 
knowledge it has not been seen again. I have been checking the compost 
regularly and have come up with little of interest, but an adult LESSER 
BLACK-BACKED GULL was present yesterday and a 3rd-cycle type Lesser was seen by 
others on the 23-25. BONAPARTE'S GULLS are being reports off and on from the 
lake, and observers should keep an eye out for rarer small gulls.

RED-NECKED GREBE and RED-THROATED LOON reports are down from a week or two ago, 
but I did see an adult of the latter from Myers Point on the 26th. Two KILLDEER 
were present on Myers Point on Thanksgiving, and Ken had a WILSON'S SNIPE at 
Bluegrass Lane as late as the 21st.

I haven't heard of any shrikes or interested owls in the area in the last 
couple of weeks, but people should keep an eye out for both. Snowy Owls seem to 
be making another invasion this winter.

Good birding, and let's keep those posts coming!

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Winter birds, Ithaca area

[holly adams]

Thank you! Just wanted to add that we still have one lone RED-WINGED
BLACKBIRD (male) haunting our feeders.
-holly

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Meena Madhav Haribal m...@cornell.edu
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  ​Thank you Jay for posting about the recent birds for the benefit of
 non-ebirders!


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 bounce-118567517-3493...@list.cornell.edu on behalf of Jay McGowan 
 jw...@cornell.edu
 *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:04 PM
 *To:* CAYUGABIRDS-L
 *Subject:* [cayugabirds-l] Winter birds, Ithaca area

  Since not many folks are posting these days, I thought it might be nice
 to update the group as a whole on Ithaca birding over the last week or two.

  Despite a rash of first reports, AMERICAN TREE SPARROWS have been
 around for a couple of weeks now. I saw my first on October 23 (a bit
 early), and they were in most brushy areas in the Northeast Ithaca area by
 the end of October, and I've had them on pretty much every list since then.
 Maybe they're starting to come in to more feeders now that it's getting
 snowier. Several other species of sparrows are still lingering. FOX
 SPARROWS are mostly gone, but SWAMP SPARROWS are still present in several
 locations, and at least two SAVANNAH SPARROWS continue in the cattail patch
 in the field on Bluegrass Lane. Chris Wood and Kevin McGowan had an adult
 WHITE-CROWNED SPARROW along the entrance road to the compost on November
 15. Also on the 15th, Ken found two LAPLAND LONGSPURS in the corn field on
 Bluegrass Lane SNOW BUNTINGS are still being reported as flyovers, but no
 significant numbers have been reported at this end of the lake recently.

  PINE SISKINS continue to be reported in small numbers, still mostly as
 flyovers but occasionally at feeders. Despite reports of EVENING GROSBEAKS
 around to the east and west of the Basin, I still haven't heard of any
 around here except for a flyover by Chris Wood on November 8. Scattered
 reports of COMMON REDPOLLS farther north give hope for a redpoll year a
 little later on. WHITE-WINGED CROSSBILLS are still scarce, but I did have
 one fly over Sapsucker Woods on November 13.

  Duck hunters at Myers Point have reduced waterfowl numbers and diversity
 drastically there. A large mixed-species flock off Stewart Park currently
 harbors low numbers of all five Aythya, including a single male CANVASBACK,
 as well as other expected species and quite a few RUDDY DUCKS. CACKLING
 GEESE seem to be passing through right now, with 5-6 in the large goose
 flock of Stewart Park on 23 and 24 November. SNOW GEESE are still not
 moving through in numbers.

  Interesting gulls have still been fairly scarce. Still the only ICELAND
 GULL of the season was an early one at the compost and over campus on
 November 3-4. Tim Lenz had an immature GLAUCOUS GULL at Stewart Park on
 November 23 but to my knowledge it has not been seen again. I have been
 checking the compost regularly and have come up with little of interest,
 but an adult LESSER BLACK-BACKED GULL was present yesterday and a 3rd-cycle
 type Lesser was seen by others on the 23-25. BONAPARTE'S GULLS are being
 reports off and on from the lake, and observers should keep an eye out for
 rarer small gulls.

  RED-NECKED GREBE and RED-THROATED LOON reports are down from a week or
 two ago, but I did see an adult of the latter from Myers Point on the 26th.
 Two KILLDEER were present on Myers Point on Thanksgiving, and Ken had a
 WILSON'S SNIPE at Bluegrass Lane as late as the 21st.

  I haven't heard of any shrikes or interested owls in the area in the
 last couple of weeks, but people should keep an eye out for both. Snowy
 Owls seem to be making another invasion this winter.

  Good birding, and let's keep those posts coming!

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Not birds-but FIREFLIES tonight

[Linda Orkin]

Thanks Mike and Dave. Mike, that chart is very illuminating. I had no idea 
there were that many species. Amber seems a good way to describe what I saw as 
red.  It seems a monumental brain task to sort out all the flashing going on 
but just having these different parameters in mind would help you to see 
better. 

Linda

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 29, 2014, at 12:23 AM, Mike Pitzrick mpitzr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Linda,
 
 In order for a Doppler shift to noticeably change the color of light that 
 much, the firefly would have to be traveling thousands of miles an hour!  It 
 may be that what you are seeing are multiple species of firefly.  
 
 The Museum of Science in Boston has published some web pages with information 
 about how to identify fireflies using their flash color and pattern.
 
 Types Of Fireflies
 
 Flash Chart
 
 Virtual Habitat (interactive tool to help you learn to identify firefly 
 flashes)
 
 
 These web pages are part of a citizen science project called Firefly Watch, 
 which is designed to find out more about the distribution of the various 
 firefly species.
 
 -Mike
 
 
 On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Linda Orkin wingmagi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does anyone else notice that some of the flashes look like different colors. 
 Reds and greens. Is this just like a Doppler shift type thing or are they 
 really like that?
 
 Linda
 
 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Not birds-but FIREFLIES tonight

[Tom Fernandes]

Think it is a good year for fireflies!.  Jerseybirds had a post of a great 
display last week down in NJ. I also had one of the best displays in years in 
my yard in McGraw.

Tom Fernandes
 McGraw.NY
From: Linda Orkin 
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:28 AM
To: Mike Pitzrick 
Cc: CAYUGABIRDS- L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Not birds-but FIREFLIES tonight

Thanks Mike and Dave. Mike, that chart is very illuminating. I had no idea 
there were that many species. Amber seems a good way to describe what I saw as 
red.  It seems a monumental brain task to sort out all the flashing going on 
but just having these different parameters in mind would help you to see 
better. 

Linda

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  Hi Linda,


  In order for a Doppler shift to noticeably change the color of light that 
much, the firefly would have to be traveling thousands of miles an hour!  It 
may be that what you are seeing are multiple species of firefly.  


  The Museum of Science in Boston has published some web pages with information 
about how to identify fireflies using their flash color and pattern.

  Types Of Fireflies


  Flash Chart


  Virtual Habitat (interactive tool to help you learn to identify firefly 
flashes)



  These web pages are part of a citizen science project called Firefly Watch, 
which is designed to find out more about the distribution of the various 
firefly species.

  -Mike 



  On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Linda Orkin wingmagi...@gmail.com wrote:

Does anyone else notice that some of the flashes look like different 
colors. Reds and greens. Is this just like a Doppler shift type thing or are 
they really like that?

Linda



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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Not birds-but FIREFLIES tonight

[Dave Nutter]

That's a great website for a neat project, Mike! On the discussion board, a 
participant (whose name  email I have omitted here) asked Linda's question, 
and the project leader replied:

In my June 1, 2014 report I reported an individual flying with three flashes 
and reported it as orange because red was not an option. It looked RED to me. 
Is that possible?
.:Don Salvatore - 6/16/2014 1:20 pm Firefly colors are listed as yellow, yellow 
green, green, orange, amber and blue. I have never heard of a red firefly. But 
that doesn't mean that there isn't one. Or that because of the way people may 
see colors differently or environmental conditions, you won't see a red firefly.

* * *
I still have only seen what I'd describe as yellow-green fireflies, but a lot 
of them. Maybe that's all there are at my house, or maybe I haven't learned to 
discern the colors. I certainly haven't put in the disciplined time of a 
Firefly Watch participant, but I'm considering it. Then maybe I'll have more 
legitimate replies when people ask about red flashes in the night.

--Dave Nutter


On Jun 29, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Mike Pitzrick mpitzr...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Museum of Science in Boston has published some web pages with information 
 about how to identify fireflies using their flash color and pattern.

 Types Of Fireflies

 Flash Chart

 Virtual Habitat (interactive tool to help you learn to identify firefly 
 flashes)


 These web pages are part of a citizen science project called Firefly Watch, 
 which is designed to find out more about the distribution of the various 
 firefly species.

 -Mike


 On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Linda Orkin wingmagi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does anyone else notice that some of the flashes look like different 
 colors. Reds and greens. Is this just like a Doppler shift type thing or are 
 they really like that?

 Linda



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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Not birds-but FIREFLIES tonight

[Mike Pitzrick]

Hi Dave,

People do perceive colors differently due to both biological capacity and
training.  This is an area of active research.

Regarding biological capacity, most people have three types of color
receptors in their eyes, each of which is most sensitive to a single color:
red, green, or blue.  Some people, mostly male, are completely or partially
color blind, meaning that one or more types of color receptor are partially
or completely disabled color receptors, resulting in diminished capacity to
discriminate differences in color.

Recently it was discovered that some females have four types of color
receptors in their eyes, giving them the potential to distinguish more
colors than is usual in humans.  This article in Discover magazine, Humans
with Super Human Vision
http://discovermagazine.com/2012/jul-aug/06-humans-with-super-human-vision,
explains.

If you are interested in testing your ability to discriminate colors, try
out this Color Test http://www.xrite.com/online-color-test-challenge.  If
you'd like to see if you are color blind, check out Free Colorblindness Test
http://www.colour-blindness.com/colour-blindness-tests/.  Note that these
online tests are not 100% reliable, due to variation in computer monitors.

By the way, this discussion is pretty far afield from the usual content of
CAYUGABIRDS-L, and I'm surprised no one has complained yet.  People who
would enjoy participating in a similar email list with broader scope may be
interested in NATURAL-HISTORY-L.  Instructions for joining a Cornell email
list can be found in Join an E-list
http://www.it.cornell.edu/services/elist/howto/user/join.cfm.

-Mike


On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Dave Nutter nutter.d...@me.com wrote:

 That's a great website for a neat project, Mike! On the discussion board,
 a participant (whose name  email I have omitted here) asked Linda's
 question, and the project leader replied:

 In my June 1, 2014 report I reported an individual flying with three
 flashes and reported it as orange because red was not an option. It looked
 RED to me. Is that possible?
 .:Don Salvatore - 6/16/2014 1:20 pm Firefly colors are listed as yellow,
 yellow green, green, orange, amber and blue. I have never heard of a red
 firefly. But that doesn't mean that there isn't one. Or that because of the
 way people may see colors differently or environmental conditions, you
 won't see a red firefly.

 * * *
 I still have only seen what I'd describe as yellow-green fireflies, but a
 lot of them. Maybe that's all there are at my house, or maybe I haven't
 learned to discern the colors. I certainly haven't put in the disciplined
 time of a Firefly Watch participant, but I'm considering it. Then maybe
 I'll have more legitimate replies when people ask about red flashes in the
 night.

 --Dave Nutter


 On Jun 29, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Mike Pitzrick mpitzr...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Museum of Science in Boston has published some web pages with
 information about how to identify fireflies using their flash color and
 pattern.

 Types Of Fireflies
 https://legacy.mos.org/fireflywatch/types_of_fireflies

 Flash Chart https://legacy.mos.org/fireflywatch/flash_chart

 Virtual Habitat https://legacy.mos.org/fireflywatch/virtual_habitat
 (interactive tool to help you learn to identify firefly flashes)


 These web pages are part of a citizen science project called Firefly Watch
 https://legacy.mos.org/fireflywatch/, which is designed to find out
 more about the distribution of the various firefly species.

 -Mike


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 wrote:

 Does anyone else notice that some of the flashes look like different
 colors. Reds and greens. Is this just like a Doppler shift type thing or
 are they really like that?

 Linda


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Not birds-but FIREFLIES tonight

[Linda Orkin]

On the other hand it could have been s very tiny low-flying plane. 

Linda

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On Jun 29, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Dave Nutter nutter.d...@me.com wrote:

 That's a great website for a neat project, Mike! On the discussion board, a 
 participant (whose name  email I have omitted here) asked Linda's question, 
 and the project leader replied:
 In my June 1, 2014 report I reported an individual flying with three flashes 
 and reported it as orange because red was not an option. It looked RED to me. 
 Is that possible?
 .:Don Salvatore - 6/16/2014 1:20 pm Firefly colors are listed as yellow, 
 yellow green, green, orange, amber and blue. I have never heard of a red 
 firefly. But that doesn't mean that there isn't one. Or that because of the 
 way people may see colors differently or environmental conditions, you won't 
 see a red firefly.
 
 * * * 
 I still have only seen what I'd describe as yellow-green fireflies, but a lot 
 of them. Maybe that's all there are at my house, or maybe I haven't learned 
 to discern the colors. I certainly haven't put in the disciplined time of a 
 Firefly Watch participant, but I'm considering it. Then maybe I'll have more 
 legitimate replies when people ask about red flashes in the night.
 --Dave Nutter
 
 On Jun 29, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Mike Pitzrick mpitzr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The Museum of Science in Boston has published some web pages with 
 information about how to identify fireflies using their flash color and 
 pattern.
 
 Types Of Fireflies
 
 Flash Chart
 
 Virtual Habitat (interactive tool to help you learn to identify firefly 
 flashes)
 
 
 These web pages are part of a citizen science project called Firefly Watch, 
 which is designed to find out more about the distribution of the various 
 firefly species.
 
 -Mike
 
 
 On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Linda Orkin wingmagi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does anyone else notice that some of the flashes look like different colors. 
 Reds and greens. Is this just like a Doppler shift type thing or are they 
 really like that?
 
 Linda
 
 
 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Not birds-but FIREFLIES tonight

[Linda Orkin]

Does anyone else notice that some of the flashes look like different colors. 
Reds and greens. Is this just like a Doppler shift type thing or are they 
really like that?  

Linda 



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On Jun 28, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Anne Clark anneb.cl...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is wild out there...flashing of several kinds, low and high in trees.  
 Give that it is hard to see birds right now, it is well worth a look outside 
 for this pre-4th display.
 
 Vic Lamoureux put a similar alert out for Broome, on the Bluewing list.  
 Apparently this is THE night so far if you are a firefly.
 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Not birds-but FIREFLIES tonight

[Dave Nutter]

Some stars look slightly orange or blue, but the fireflies all look green to 
me. I think the red flashes are airplanes. Seriously, I know there are 
different species of fireflies and they use different codes of flashes, but I 
don't know about different colors. I'm guessing they all use the same 
chemistry, so the color would be easiest to stay the same, and that's why they 
use timing. There wouldn't be a noticeable doppler shift for light. Maybe the 
ones seen farther from your center of vision could appear different colors if 
there's a different concentration of receptors for different colors. I know not 
all colors can be seen equally well in peripheral vision. Red is worst.

It is a nice night for fireflies, one of several lately in our yard.

--Dave Nutter


On Jun 28, 2014, at 10:50 PM, Linda Orkin wingmagi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does anyone else notice that some of the flashes look like different colors. 
 Reds and greens. Is this just like a Doppler shift type thing or are they 
 really like that?

 Linda



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 On Jun 28, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Anne Clark anneb.cl...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is wild out there...flashing of several kinds, low and high in 
 trees. Give that it is hard to see birds right now, it is well worth a look 
 outside for this pre-4th display.

 Vic Lamoureux put a similar alert out for Broome, on the Bluewing 
 list. Apparently this is THE night so far if you are a firefly.

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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Yard birds: winter wren, purple finch

[Meena Madhav Haribal]

I heard a Purple Finch while waiting for the bus today! Which presumably is the 
same finch the one Suan heard. 

Meena

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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Yard birds: winter wren, purple finch

Two new yard birds for me this morning in Commonland: a winter wren singing 
rather loudly (thus presumed close) outside my window which faces the woods, 
and a purple finch heard singing while a female sat feeding on sycamore seeds. 
A red-breasted nuthatch had been a feeder regular for a couple weeks, but 
hasn't been seen today.

Suan
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] weekend birds, hunting pressure

[Linda Orkin]

The opinion that follows is strictly my own and does not reflect any official 
position of the Cayuga Bird Club. Although I wish it did. 

I will not be one of the ones that says I have nothing against hunting because 
I do, sorry. 

But even if I thought hunting was a great thing, I feel it is totally bizarre 
to have this slaughter, harassment and disregard for life going on right INSIDE 
our own city limits in a public park where any and all are exposed to this 
carnage and risk.  

I am attaching a link to the article that Jane Graves discovered and published 
in our October newsletter re:the imposition of waterfowl hunting  in 1933. Too 
bad it was ever started. I would support Dave's suggestion to petition the DEC 
to rescind this permission at the south end of the lake. 

http://cayugabirdclub.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-note-from-past.html

Have a great count day on January 1. There's still time to sign up if you'd 
like. Email me. 

Linda Orkin


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 On Dec 29, 2013, at 10:51 PM, Dave Nutter nutter.d...@me.com wrote:
 
 Perhaps the line of fire  proximity of people  buildings was the reason the 
 DEC police called in the gunners who were in the SW corner of the lake tied 
 to a tree along the shore of Treman. I saw in the background 2 adults and a 
 child on the beach of the west shore, associated with the first house, a 
 large new one. 
 
 I'd like to petition the DEC to have the south end of the lake, say the 
 portion within the City of Ithaca, which does not allow firing guns, off 
 limits to hunting. 
 --Dave Nutter
 
 On Dec 29, 2013, at 08:47 PM, Anne Clark anneb.cl...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It sounds as if some of these folks might be illegally close to buildings, 
 although I suppose they argue that their guns are pointing down the lake.  
 On the other hand, in the park area, trails and inlets make a complex 
 problem for claiming that nothing could be in the line of fire when shooting 
 at ducks flying in and over.  Do they really stop firing when the ducks 
 swing toward shore?
 
 Per the DEC hunting regulations
 
 Question: How far from a building do I have to be to discharge my firearm?
 Answer: You cannot discharge a firearm or bow within 500 feet of any school, 
 playground, occupied factory or church. You cannot discharge a firearm or 
 bow within 500 feet of a dwelling, farm building, or structure unless you 
 own it, lease it, are an immediate member of the family, an employee, or 
 have the owner's consent. This does not apply to the discharge of a shotgun 
 over water when hunting migratory game birds and no dwelling, public 
 structure, livestock, or person is in the line of fire.
 
 On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Kenneth V. Rosenberg wrote:
 
 I birded at East Shore Park on Saturday mid-day, and at Stewart Park this 
 morning -- I must say that I have never seen so much hunting pressure at 
 the south end of the lake. I want to say clearly that I am not against 
 legal duck hunting in well managed areas (and I buy a Migratory Bird Stamp 
 to support wetland conservation), but what is going on this year does not 
 seem to be sustainable or an appropriate use of such a large public space. 
 Boats with hunters and decoys were anchored right under the trees at the 
 Swan Pen at Stewart Park, at the tip of the red lighthouse jetty, at the 
 wooden buoy marker, on the beach at Hogs Hole, and along East Shore -- 
 yesterday there was an additional boat cruising the center of the lake to 
 chase duck flocks. Needless to say there was not a single spot for ducks to 
 rest safely anywhere in the southern quarter-mile or so of Cayuga Lake (and 
 probably north past Myer's Point as well), and any flock that circled 
 around over the south end of the lake (no matter how high) was shot at. I 
 don't know if DEC would consider that proper management of this important 
 waterfowl wintering area. This seemed pretty different from the past few 
 years when a few hunters kept the duck flocks moving around but there was 
 plenty of place for them to rest -- notably along the Stewart Park 
 shoreline, which was not available today.
 
 This activity will undoubtedly affect the numbers of waterfowl on this 
 year's Christmas Bird Count on Wednesday (wasn't much to count today). If 
 this trend continues in future years, I strongly recommend that the Cayuga 
 Bird Club move its count to the days prior to the late hunting season  -- 
 this slight straying from tradition will probably yield more accurate 
 numbers of local waterfowl populations.
 
 In spite of the hunting, I did manage to see a few distant LONG-TAILED 
 DUCKS and a single WHITE-WINGED SCOTER far to the north of East Shore Park, 
 and a flock of 12 RUDDY DUCKS, along with HORNED and PIED-BIILED GREBES, 
 COMMON LOON, and 3 DOUBLE-CRESTED CORMORANTS -- all decent CBC birds if 
 they can hang in there. There were also TUNDRA SWANS around this morning -- 
 2 on the ice at Stewart Park east end when I arrived, and a flock of 

Re: [cayugabirds-l] weekend birds, hunting pressure

[John and Sue Gregoire]

If you have journeyed over to Seneca Lake you have seen the numerous duck blinds
just off shore of the park where there is precious little shallow water.
Representation was made to the state and village several years ago and I forget 
the
legalese but in layman's terms the large lakes come under state jurisdiction 
and the
DEC reading was that such hunting with blinds and decoys was quite legal despite
proximity to shoreline and docks east and west.

It would be a shame to change a traditional date for the CBC and moving may 
cause
conflicts with other counts. Why not advocate buying duck and habitat stamps 
and ask
the local fish and game clubs to weigh in on possible solutions. Perhaps they 
would
as a group help with the count instead of hunting on the CBC day?

John
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On Mon, December 30, 2013 07:52, Linda Orkin wrote:
 The opinion that follows is strictly my own and does not reflect any official
 position of the Cayuga Bird Club. Although I wish it did.

 I will not be one of the ones that says I have nothing against hunting 
 because I do,
 sorry.

 But even if I thought hunting was a great thing, I feel it is totally bizarre 
 to
 have this slaughter, harassment and disregard for life going on right INSIDE 
 our own
 city limits in a public park where any and all are exposed to this carnage 
 and risk.

 I am attaching a link to the article that Jane Graves discovered and 
 published in
 our October newsletter re:the imposition of waterfowl hunting  in 1933. Too 
 bad it
 was ever started. I would support Dave's suggestion to petition the DEC to 
 rescind
 this permission at the south end of the lake.

 http://cayugabirdclub.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-note-from-past.html

 Have a great count day on January 1. There's still time to sign up if you'd 
 like.
 Email me.

 Linda Orkin


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 29, 2013, at 10:51 PM, Dave Nutter nutter.d...@me.com wrote:

 Perhaps the line of fire  proximity of people  buildings was the reason 
 the DEC
 police called in the gunners who were in the SW corner of the lake tied to a 
 tree
 along the shore of Treman. I saw in the background 2 adults and a child on 
 the
 beach of the west shore, associated with the first house, a large new one.

 I'd like to petition the DEC to have the south end of the lake, say the 
 portion
 within the City of Ithaca, which does not allow firing guns, off limits to
 hunting.
 --Dave Nutter

 On Dec 29, 2013, at 08:47 PM, Anne Clark anneb.cl...@gmail.com wrote:

 It sounds as if some of these folks might be illegally close to buildings,
 although I suppose they argue that their guns are pointing down the lake.  
 On the
 other hand, in the park area, trails and inlets make a complex problem for
 claiming that nothing could be in the line of fire when shooting at ducks 
 flying
 in and over.  Do they really stop firing when the ducks swing toward shore?

 Per the DEC hunting regulations

 Question: How far from a building do I have to be to discharge my firearm?
 Answer: You cannot discharge a firearm or bow within 500 feet of any school,
 playground, occupied factory or church. You cannot discharge a firearm or 
 bow
 within 500 feet of a dwelling, farm building, or structure unless you own 
 it,
 lease it, are an immediate member of the family, an employee, or have the 
 owner's
 consent. This does not apply to the discharge of a shotgun over water when
 hunting migratory game birds and no dwelling, public structure, livestock, 
 or
 person is in the line of fire.

 On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Kenneth V. Rosenberg wrote:

 I birded at East Shore Park on Saturday mid-day, and at Stewart Park this
 morning -- I must say that I have never seen so much hunting pressure at 
 the
 south end of the lake. I want to say clearly that I am not against legal 
 duck
 hunting in well managed areas (and I buy a Migratory Bird Stamp to support
 wetland conservation), but what is going on this year does not seem to be
 sustainable or an appropriate use of such a large public space. Boats with
 hunters and decoys were anchored right under the trees at the Swan Pen at
 Stewart Park, at the tip of the red lighthouse jetty, at the wooden buoy 
 marker,
 on the beach at Hogs Hole, and along East Shore -- yesterday there was an
 additional boat cruising the center of the lake to chase duck flocks. 
 Needless
 to say there was not a single spot for ducks to rest safely anywhere in the
 southern quarter-mile or so of Cayuga Lake (and probably north past Myer's 
 Point
 as well), and any flock that circled around over the south end of the lake 
 (no
 matter how high) was shot at. I don't know if DEC would consider that 
 proper
 management of this important waterfowl wintering area. This seemed pretty
 different from the past few years when 

RE: [cayugabirds-l] weekend birds, hunting pressure

[Kevin J. McGowan]

...  Do they really stop firing when the ducks swing toward shore?


I would say yes.  One of the first things you get taught in firearm safety 
class (which is mandatory in New York for all first-time hunting licenses) is 
to always be aware of where your muzzle is pointing.  Always.  Most people 
hunting with a partner are pretty aware of where their partner's gun is 
pointing, too.  Obviously some people are going to be better at being cautious 
and not careless than others, but that line between safe/not safe is probably 
more distinct for a gunner than you might think.

Kevin


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] weekend birds, hunting pressure

[Lee Ann van Leer]

It sounds like not everyone is following hunting regulations. 

If anyone is curious about waterfowl hunting seasons, regulations, bag limits, 
etc see the link. 

Prohibited:  driving, rallying or chasing birds with any motorized conveyance 
or any sailboat to put them in the range of hunters.
http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/wfregsguide13.pdf

I have had similar thoughts about the various issues of doing a bird count 
during duck hunting season. Perhaps I will wear blaze orange when counting on 
the lake shore. 

Good luck to all bird counters. 



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 ...yesterday there was an additional boat cruising the center of the lake to 
 chase duck flocks

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] weekend birds, hunting pressure

[bob mcguire]

Another though: how about petitioning the DEC to delay the start of the late 
waterfowl season at the south end of Cayuga lake until after January 1st? Why 
should the needs (?) of 15-20 hunters take precedence over a 100-year tradition 
 data collection (the Ithaca CXBC)?

Bob McGuire
On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Kenneth V. Rosenberg wrote:

 I birded at East Shore Park on Saturday mid-day, and at Stewart Park this 
 morning -- I must say that I have never seen so much hunting pressure at the 
 south end of the lake. I want to say clearly that I am not against legal duck 
 hunting in well managed areas (and I buy a Migratory Bird Stamp to support 
 wetland conservation), but what is going on this year does not seem to be 
 sustainable or an appropriate use of such a large public space. Boats with 
 hunters and decoys were anchored right under the trees at the Swan Pen at 
 Stewart Park, at the tip of the red lighthouse jetty, at the wooden buoy 
 marker, on the beach at Hogs Hole, and along East Shore -- yesterday there 
 was an additional boat cruising the center of the lake to chase duck flocks. 
 Needless to say there was not a single spot for ducks to rest safely anywhere 
 in the southern quarter-mile or so of Cayuga Lake (and probably north past 
 Myer's Point as well), and any flock that circled around over the south end 
 of the lake (no matter how high) was shot at. I don't know if DEC would 
 consider that proper management of this important waterfowl wintering area. 
 This seemed pretty different from the past few years when a few hunters kept 
 the duck flocks moving around but there was plenty of place for them to rest 
 -- notably along the Stewart Park shoreline, which was not available today.
 
 This activity will undoubtedly affect the numbers of waterfowl on this year's 
 Christmas Bird Count on Wednesday (wasn't much to count today). If this trend 
 continues in future years, I strongly recommend that the Cayuga Bird Club 
 move its count to the days prior to the late hunting season  -- this slight 
 straying from tradition will probably yield more accurate numbers of local 
 waterfowl populations.
 
 In spite of the hunting, I did manage to see a few distant LONG-TAILED DUCKS 
 and a single WHITE-WINGED SCOTER far to the north of East Shore Park, and a 
 flock of 12 RUDDY DUCKS, along with HORNED and PIED-BIILED GREBES, COMMON 
 LOON, and 3 DOUBLE-CRESTED CORMORANTS -- all decent CBC birds if they can 
 hang in there. There were also TUNDRA SWANS around this morning -- 2 on the 
 ice at Stewart Park east end when I arrived, and a flock of 40-50 in the 
 center of the lake way out. Later in the morning, as I was scouting around 
 the Farmers Market and Community Gardens, several small flocks of swans 
 passed over Ithaca heading south.
 
 Yesterday, at Taughannock Falls State Park, there were 2 (MYRTLE) 
 YELLOW-RUMPED WARBLERS with chickadees at the lakeshore near the south end of 
 the park. 
 
 Let's hope some birds survive the next deep freeze,
 
 KEN
 
 
 Ken Rosenberg
 Conservation Science Program
 Cornell Lab of Ornithology
 607-254-2412
 607-342-4594 (cell)
 k...@cornell.edu
 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] weekend birds, hunting pressure

[Anne Clark]

It sounds as if some of these folks might be illegally close to buildings, 
although I suppose they argue that their guns are pointing down the lake.  On 
the other hand, in the park area, trails and inlets make a complex problem for 
claiming that nothing could be in the line of fire when shooting at ducks 
flying in and over.  Do they really stop firing when the ducks swing toward 
shore?

Per the DEC hunting regulations

Question: How far from a building do I have to be to discharge my firearm?
Answer: You cannot discharge a firearm or bow within 500 feet of any school, 
playground, occupied factory or church. You cannot discharge a firearm or bow 
within 500 feet of a dwelling, farm building, or structure unless you own it, 
lease it, are an immediate member of the family, an employee, or have the 
owner's consent. This does not apply to the discharge of a shotgun over water 
when hunting migratory game birds and no dwelling, public structure, livestock, 
or person is in the line of fire.

On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Kenneth V. Rosenberg wrote:

 I birded at East Shore Park on Saturday mid-day, and at Stewart Park this 
 morning -- I must say that I have never seen so much hunting pressure at the 
 south end of the lake. I want to say clearly that I am not against legal duck 
 hunting in well managed areas (and I buy a Migratory Bird Stamp to support 
 wetland conservation), but what is going on this year does not seem to be 
 sustainable or an appropriate use of such a large public space. Boats with 
 hunters and decoys were anchored right under the trees at the Swan Pen at 
 Stewart Park, at the tip of the red lighthouse jetty, at the wooden buoy 
 marker, on the beach at Hogs Hole, and along East Shore -- yesterday there 
 was an additional boat cruising the center of the lake to chase duck flocks. 
 Needless to say there was not a single spot for ducks to rest safely anywhere 
 in the southern quarter-mile or so of Cayuga Lake (and probably north past 
 Myer's Point as well), and any flock that circled around over the south end 
 of the lake (no matter how high) was shot at. I don't know if DEC would 
 consider that proper management of this important waterfowl wintering area. 
 This seemed pretty different from the past few years when a few hunters kept 
 the duck flocks moving around but there was plenty of place for them to rest 
 -- notably along the Stewart Park shoreline, which was not available today.
 
 This activity will undoubtedly affect the numbers of waterfowl on this year's 
 Christmas Bird Count on Wednesday (wasn't much to count today). If this trend 
 continues in future years, I strongly recommend that the Cayuga Bird Club 
 move its count to the days prior to the late hunting season  -- this slight 
 straying from tradition will probably yield more accurate numbers of local 
 waterfowl populations.
 
 In spite of the hunting, I did manage to see a few distant LONG-TAILED DUCKS 
 and a single WHITE-WINGED SCOTER far to the north of East Shore Park, and a 
 flock of 12 RUDDY DUCKS, along with HORNED and PIED-BIILED GREBES, COMMON 
 LOON, and 3 DOUBLE-CRESTED CORMORANTS -- all decent CBC birds if they can 
 hang in there. There were also TUNDRA SWANS around this morning -- 2 on the 
 ice at Stewart Park east end when I arrived, and a flock of 40-50 in the 
 center of the lake way out. Later in the morning, as I was scouting around 
 the Farmers Market and Community Gardens, several small flocks of swans 
 passed over Ithaca heading south.
 
 Yesterday, at Taughannock Falls State Park, there were 2 (MYRTLE) 
 YELLOW-RUMPED WARBLERS with chickadees at the lakeshore near the south end of 
 the park. 
 
 Let's hope some birds survive the next deep freeze,
 
 KEN
 
 
 Ken Rosenberg
 Conservation Science Program
 Cornell Lab of Ornithology
 607-254-2412
 607-342-4594 (cell)
 k...@cornell.edu
 
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Fwd: Re: [cayugabirds-l] weekend birds, hunting pressure

[Carl Steckler]

On 12/29/2013 20:29, bob mcguire wrote:
 Another though: how about petitioning the DEC to delay the start of 
 the late waterfowl season at the south end of Cayuga lake until after 
 January 1st? Why should the needs (?) of 15-20 hunters take precedence 
 over a 100-year tradition  data collection (the Ithaca CXBC)?

 Bob McGuire
 On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Kenneth V. Rosenberg wrote:

One of the reasons that hunters should take precedence is because they 
contribute $746 million (Annual amount of money spent by hunters in 
the United States on licenses and public land access fees).

  $300 million --- Additional monies contributed to 
wildlife conservation every year by the more than 10,000 
private hunting-advocate organizations, like the National Wild 
Turkey Federation, Ducks Unlimited, and the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation

$4.2 billion --- Amount of money sportsmen have contributed 
to conservation through a 10% federal excise taxes on 
firearms, ammunition, and gear since the 1937 Pittman-Robertson Act 
established the tax. Millions of acres of public-use land has been 
purchased, preserved, and maintained with this money.

I know we don't like to admit, but hunters actually do more for 
conservation of animal species and land than all other sources of 
funding for those things combined. We need to realize that much of what 
we have we owe to those who have actually paid for the places and 
animals we enjoy. If not for these funds MNWR would not be there. Many 
of our state parks would not be there. Not to mention how many bird and 
other species would be gone.

Last year more than 556000 hunting and fishing licensees were issued in 
New York State. Divide that by 62 counties that comes out to an average 
of 8967 per county. if only 1% hunt waterfowl in Tompkins county that is 
about 90 hunters (I am sure there are more).  While I neither hunt 
(except with a camera) nor fish I do give due to those who do and pay 
for what I enjoy. As long as they are perusing their passion in a safe 
legal manner I think we owe them a break and thanks. It is more than 15-20.

Carl Steckler



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Re: Fwd: Re: [cayugabirds-l] weekend birds, hunting pressure

[chuckgibson]

  Do not forget that all waterfowl hunters also must purchase a $15.00 Duck 
Stamp to hunt each year. The money spent on Duck Stamps provides acquisition 
funds for wildlife refuges such as the Montezuma Wildlife Refuge. As birders, 
you can also contribute by buying
Duck Stamps as a way to help buy additional lands.

Chuck Gibson 
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 9:19 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Fwd: Re: [cayugabirds-l] weekend birds, hunting pressure


On 12/29/2013 20:29, bob mcguire wrote:

  Another though: how about petitioning the DEC to delay the start of the late 
waterfowl season at the south end of Cayuga lake until after January 1st? Why 
should the needs (?) of 15-20 hunters take precedence over a 100-year tradition 
 data collection (the Ithaca CXBC)? 

  Bob McGuire

  On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Kenneth V. Rosenberg wrote:

One of the reasons that hunters should take precedence is because they 
contribute $746 million (Annual amount of money spent by hunters in the United 
States on licenses and public land access fees).

$300 million — Additional monies contributed to wildlife conservation every 
year by the more than 10,000 private hunting-advocate organizations, like the 
National Wild Turkey Federation, Ducks Unlimited, and the Rocky Mountain Elk 
Foundation

$4.2 billion — Amount of money sportsmen have contributed to conservation 
through a 10% federal excise taxes on firearms, ammunition, and gear since the 
1937 Pittman-Robertson Act established the tax. Millions of acres of public-use 
land has been purchased, preserved, and maintained with this money.

I know we don't like to admit, but hunters actually do more for conservation of 
animal species and land than all other sources of funding for those things 
combined. We need to realize that much of what we have we owe to those who have 
actually paid for the places and animals we enjoy. If not for these funds MNWR 
would not be there. Many of our state parks would not be there. Not to mention 
how many bird and other species would be gone. 

Last year more than 556000 hunting and fishing licensees were issued in New 
York State. Divide that by 62 counties that comes out to an average of 8967 per 
county. if only 1% hunt waterfowl in Tompkins county that is about 90 hunters 
(I am sure there are more).  While I neither hunt (except with a camera) nor 
fish I do give due to those who do and pay for what I enjoy. As long as they 
are perusing their passion in a safe legal manner I think we owe them a break 
and thanks. It is more than 15-20.

Carl Steckler



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Re: [cayugabirds-l] weekend birds, hunting pressure

[Dave Nutter]

Perhaps the line of fire  proximity of people  buildings was the reason the DEC police called in the gunners who were in the SW corner of the lake tied to a tree along the shore of Treman. I saw in the background 2 adults and a child on the beach of the west shore, associated with the first house, a large new one. I'd like to petition the DEC to have the south end of the lake, say the portion within the City of Ithaca, which does not allow firing guns, off limits to hunting. --Dave NutterOn Dec 29, 2013, at 08:47 PM, Anne Clark anneb.cl...@gmail.com wrote:It sounds as if some of these folks might be illegally close to buildings, although I suppose they argue that their guns are pointing down the lake. On the other hand, in the park area, trails and inlets make a complex problem for claiming that nothing could be in the line of fire when shooting at ducks flying in and over. Do they really stop firing when the ducks swing toward shore?Per the DEC hunting regulationsQuestion: How far from a building do I have to be to discharge my firearm? Answer: You cannot discharge a firearm or bow within 500 feet of any school, playground, occupied factory or church. You cannot discharge a firearm or bow within 500 feet of a dwelling, farm building, or structure unless you own it, lease it, are an immediate member of the family, an employee, or have the owner's consent. This does not apply to the discharge of a shotgun over water when hunting migratory game birds and no dwelling, public structure, livestock, or person is in the line of fire.On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Kenneth V. Rosenberg wrote:I birded at East Shore Park on Saturday mid-day, and at Stewart Park this morning -- I must say that I have never seen so much hunting pressure at the south end of the lake. I want to say clearly that I am not against legal duck hunting in well managed areas (and I buy a Migratory Bird Stamp to support wetland conservation), but what is going on this year does not seem to be sustainable or an appropriate use of such a large public space. Boats with hunters and decoys were anchored right under the trees at the Swan Pen at Stewart Park, at the tip of the red lighthouse jetty, at the wooden buoy marker, on the beach at Hogs Hole, and along East Shore -- yesterday there was an additional boat cruising the center of the lake to chase duck flocks. Needless to say there was not a single spot for ducks to rest safely anywhere in the southern quarter-mile or so of Cayuga Lake (and probably north past Myer's Point as well), and any flock that circled around over the south end of the lake (no matter how high) was shot at. I don't know if DEC would consider that proper management of this important waterfowl wintering area. This seemed pretty different from the past few years when a few hunters kept the duck flocks moving around but there was plenty of place for them to rest -- notably along the Stewart Park shoreline, which was not available today.This activity will undoubtedly affect the numbers of waterfowl on this year's Christmas Bird Count on Wednesday (wasn't much to count today). If this trend continues in future years, I strongly recommend that the Cayuga Bird Club move its count to the days prior to the late hunting season -- this slight straying from "tradition" will probably yield more accurate numbers of local waterfowl populations.In spite of the hunting, I did manage to see a few distant LONG-TAILED DUCKS and a single WHITE-WINGED SCOTER far to the north of East Shore Park, and a flock of 12 RUDDY DUCKS, along with HORNED and PIED-BIILED GREBES, COMMON LOON, and 3 DOUBLE-CRESTED CORMORANTS -- all decent CBC birds if they can hang in there. There were also TUNDRA SWANS around this morning -- 2 on the ice at Stewart Park east end when I arrived, and a flock of 40-50 in the center of the lake way out. Later in the morning, as I was scouting around the Farmers Market and Community Gardens, several small flocks of swans passed over Ithaca heading south.Yesterday, at Taughannock Falls State Park, there were 2 (MYRTLE) YELLOW-RUMPED WARBLERS with chickadees at the lakeshore near the south end of the park.Let's hope some birds survive the next deep freeze,KEN  Ken Rosenberg Conservation Science Program Cornell Lab of Ornithology 607-254-2412 607-342-4594 (cell) k...@cornell.edu--Cayugabirds-L List Info:Welcome and BasicsRules and InformationSubscribe, Configuration and LeaveArchives:The Mail ArchiveSurfbirdsBirdingOnThe.NetPlease submit your observations to eBird!Cayugabirds-L List Info:Welcome and BasicsRules and InformationSubscribe, Configuration and LeaveArchives:The Mail ArchiveSurfbirdsBirdingOnThe.NetPlease submit your observations to eBird!--
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Field birds

[Susan Fast]

This sparrow continues to intrigue me.  I recall that most birds fly from
point A to point B in a straight line, sparrows included.  So I did some
research.  I am far from an expert on flight paths of sparrows, but
Peterson, in his usual succinct way, describes the flight of a HENSLOW’S
SPARROW as “low and jerky with a twisting motion of the tail”.  I failed to
mention this in the initial report, but as the sparrow landed, a significant
tail twist was observed; but this may be a simple aerodynamic feature of its
landing.  This is his only description of flight characteristics in his
sparrow section, so I assume it to mean that this sparrow’s flight is
diagnostic, and not shared by others.  ( I may be wrong here).  The lack of
observable pattern on the back also correlates here, although weakly.

 

Lastly, since the spot of sighting is observable from my house, I am
including this species as a new Yard Bird.

 

Steve

 

  _  

From: bounce-108896264-9286...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-108896264-9286...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Fast
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:29 PM
To: 'CAYUGABIRDS-L'
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Field birds

 

I spent some time early this afternoon wandering about 2 local mown hay
fields.  The grass is quite short (ave. 4-6 inches) in both.  In the first,
I flushed a bird that, as Sibley says, was only a glimpse of a small brown
bird flying away.  It was up for less than 2 seconds, travelled about 30’,
and showed no pattern to my naked eye.  The flight path, however, was
distinctive.  It reminded me much of the flight of a flushed snipe (i.e.
zigzaggy).  I searched the area for ½ hour, but could not refind it.

 

In the second field, I flushed a dense flock of  E. MEADOWLARKS.  They
resettled quickly, and I was sure I could refind them, which I did, and
counted 35 birds.

 

Steve Fast

Brooktondale

 

 

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] bathing birds

[Donna Scott]

I Saw an E. phoebe diving into the lake, off a fallen willow snag in the water 
near my beach. It actually dove quickly under the water  out again,  flew up 
to the over-hanging branch. There it fluffed its feathers  preened, then 
repeated its dives a few times. 

My brother has a house on one of the barrier islands in North East Florida 
south of St. Augustine. (By Atlantic Ocean). 
They have a typical concrete birdbath. Last spring I noticed that whenever it 
had not rained - which provides puddles for drinking fresh water in that sandy, 
well-drained area - many different species of birds competed to drink from the 
bird bath.
 Robins, mourning doves, Cedar waxwings, cowbirds, yellow rumped, warblers - 
They would crowd the bowl and many times one was standing on top of another in 
their effort to drink some water from the birdbath. 8-10 at a time! We had to 
rinse  refill it many times a day!

When it rained, there were only a few birds there, I assume because they found 
lots of freshwater puddles from which to drink. 
Donna

Sent from my iPhone
Donna Scott

On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Sara Jane Hymes s...@cornell.edu wrote:

 With the heat we've had lately, I am not surprised to see birds frequently 
 cooling off in our (normal/basic-sized) bird bath.  However the other day, I 
 was surprised to see 3 different species all trying to cool off at the same 
 time!!  ROBIN, BLUE JAY and MOURNING DOVE.  One flew away before I could get 
 a photo.
 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] bald birds

[Donna Scott]

For several days I had a very bald red winged blackbird male at my feeders on 
Lansing Station Road in Lansing. 
Any ideas on cause of baldness?
This blackbird seemed healthy  energetic. 

Sent from my iPhone
Donna Scott

On Jun 2, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Martin Fellows Hatch m...@cornell.edu wrote:

 Identified, thanks to Sandy Podulka. Almost certainly a bald female northern 
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 http://www.birds.cornell.edu/pfw/AboutBirdsandFeeding/BaldBirds.htm
 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Flattened birds

[Suan Hsi Yong]

On May 12, our SFO group at Arnot saw a brown creeper do the same pose but
vertically on a trunk, remaining fully camouflaged when doing so. I wish I
had my camera then. Anyhow, I assumed it was sunning itself, a reasonable
assumption on that cool day (40s-50s). The fact that your gnatcatcher did
it on this 90-degree day makes one wonder if something else is going on.

In South Africa I saw a speckled mousebird sunning itself in what I thought
was an odd posture:

  http://suan-yong.com/s.africa.php?s=Mousebirdsk=101618

I later learned that this was common behavior for mousebirds and helps warm
the stomach to digest the leaves it eats (digesting leaves is slow and
inefficient and tends to work best in cow-sized beasts with multiple
stomachs, not easy to pull off in a bird, though the hoatzin has managed
it).

Suan

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Flattened birds

[Anne Clark]

My late colleague Jack Christian documented barn and tree swallows taking the 
low spread-wing posture, exposing their wings fully, on metal barn roofs on hot 
summer days.  I also saw a few instances.  One possibility is that direct heat 
helps drive out feather parasites and exposure to UV and heat may decrease 
bacterial load on the feathers.  Actual sunning for body warmth seems very 
unlikely because, like an anting bird in the sun, they often pant and look, if 
anything, heat stressed.  

So I favor the interpretation that they are trading off their own excessive 
heating against what it might do against arthropod or bacterial parasites.  

I love the mousebird story--they are truly strange and wonderful little birds 
that I only partly appreciated when I lived in South Africa so long ago.  

Anne
  
On May 31, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Suan Hsi Yong wrote:

 On May 12, our SFO group at Arnot saw a brown creeper do the same pose but 
 vertically on a trunk, remaining fully camouflaged when doing so. I wish I 
 had my camera then. Anyhow, I assumed it was sunning itself, a reasonable 
 assumption on that cool day (40s-50s). The fact that your gnatcatcher did it 
 on this 90-degree day makes one wonder if something else is going on.
 
 In South Africa I saw a speckled mousebird sunning itself in what I thought 
 was an odd posture:
 
   http://suan-yong.com/s.africa.php?s=Mousebirdsk=101618
 
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 the stomach to digest the leaves it eats (digesting leaves is slow and 
 inefficient and tends to work best in cow-sized beasts with multiple 
 stomachs, not easy to pull off in a bird, though the hoatzin has managed it).
 
 Suan
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] [NatureMobile: Birds PRO Northern America] new Birding App for iOs

[rwblye]

I would think not without the permission of the owner. That at least is the 
policy of the PA Birds list serve. 


- Original Message -
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To: Daniela Lange dlae...@alphablind.com 
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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 10:53:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] [NatureMobile: Birds PRO Northern America] new 
Birding App for iOs 


Is this kind of advertising allowed on this list? 
Stephanie Greenwood
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Ithaca, NY 14850
607 280 1050 On 1/18/13 8:54 AM, Daniela Lange wrote: 


Dear birding friends of the mailing list of Cayuga Birds , 

we from NATURE MOBILE followed your and other American mailing lists in our 
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To thank you all I would now like to contribute to your activities by getting 
your attention to a BIRDING app we recently published for mobile devices. 
It is available for iPhone, iPod touch and iPad and will be coming soon for 
Android! 
We dearly hope it to become enrichment for everybody interested in birds. 

Nice pictures: 
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App Store: 
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Our homepage: 
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For your sightings the tool includes 10.000 world species names to choose from 
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You even can plan trips by inserting birds you wish to find at a location. 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] [NatureMobile: Birds PRO Northern America] new Birding App for iOs

[Stephanie Greenwood]

Is this kind of advertising allowed on this list?

Stephanie Greenwood
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On 1/18/13 8:54 AM, Daniela Lange wrote:
 Dear birding friends of the mailing list of Cayuga Birds ,

 we from NATURE MOBILE followed your and other American mailing lists 
 in our programming development to gain input and ideas for improvement.
 To thank you all I would now like to contribute to your activities by 
 getting your attention to a BIRDING app we recently published for 
 mobile devices.
 It is available for iPhone, iPod touch and iPad and will be coming 
 soon for Android!
 We dearly hope it to become enrichment for everybody interested in birds.

 Nice pictures:
 http://naturemobile.org/press/NM_Birds_US_SS_EN.zip
 App Store:
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/birds-pro-northern-america/id586644309
 Our homepage:
 http://naturemobile.org/wordpress/portfolio/birds/

 NATURE MOBILE - Birds PRO Northern America (USA, Canada  Mexico) is a 
 stylish and easy-to-use BIRDWATCHING and BIRDING TOOL.
 You can collect your sightings and observations in the field with GPS 
 coordinates, bird characteristics, and further notes.
 For your sightings the tool includes 10.000 world species names to 
 choose from and to sort by taxonomy, country or state.
 You even can plan trips by inserting birds you wish to find at a location.
 The sightings can be exported and imported so you will be able to 
 share them with other users.
 Upload your photos and share them with the community.

 The contained field guide lets you read facts about 1029 North 
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 birds, listen to a variety of calls and songs.
 For fun and learning there is also a photo quiz game.

 
 * Follow @NatureMobile on Twitter: http://twitter.com/NatureMobile
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 * Watch us on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/naturemobile
 
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 by Dr. Daniel ODRY.
 

 For any question, please do not hesitate to contact us.

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ADMIN: Re: [cayugabirds-l] [NatureMobile: Birds PRO Northern America] new Birding App for iOs

[Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes]

I have already contacted the seller of this product. Yes, they are in direct 
violation of the eList rules, as this is a commercial for-profit posting. They 
also marketed the same message to several regional and worldwide eLists.

I encourage everyone to remain familiar with the eList rules, which are 
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visiting http://www.NortheastBirding.com.

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Sincerely,
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On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Stephanie Greenwood wrote:

Is this kind of advertising allowed on this list?

Stephanie Greenwood
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On 1/18/13 8:54 AM, Daniela Lange wrote:
Dear birding friends of the mailing list of Cayuga Birds ,

we from NATURE MOBILE followed your and other American mailing lists in our 
programming development to gain input and ideas for improvement.
To thank you all I would now like to contribute to your activities by getting 
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It is available for iPhone, iPod touch and iPad and will be coming soon for 
Android!
We dearly hope it to become enrichment for everybody interested in birds.

Nice pictures:
http://naturemobile.org/press/NM_Birds_US_SS_EN.zip
App Store:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/birds-pro-northern-america/id586644309
Our homepage:
http://naturemobile.org/wordpress/portfolio/birds/

NATURE MOBILE - Birds PRO Northern America (USA, Canada  Mexico) is a stylish 
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For your sightings the tool includes 10.000 world species names to choose from 
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Upload your photos and share them with the community.

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RE:[cayugabirds-l] Fuertes Birds Sanctuary article

[Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes]

Thanks to Bill Hecht, I have placed his scan of said article here: 
http://www.northeastbirding.com/FuertesSanctuary.jpg

After reading this article, it would appear that the Swan Pen is actually the 
Fuertes Memorial Bird Sanctuary, (a.k.a. Fuertes Sanctuary?), following the 
untimely death of Fuertes. The top listed name on the planning committee was 
none other than Arthur A. Allen (founder of the Lab of Ornithology and close 
friend of Fuertes's). This may suggest that the original Fuertes Sanctuary 
was indeed originally located at the Swan Pen area at Stewart Park...but, 
what about Renwick Sanctuary? What is the label on the cement archway at the 
old SE entrance to Renwick? I'm wondering when that was created and, if labeled 
Fuertes Sanctuary, why so? What happened to the Fuertes Memorial Bird Sanctuary 
and the seasonal museum in the old Cascadilla boat house as described in 
the article? Did that ever come to fruition? What about the stone masonry 
piers (sic) with Fuertes Memorial bronze tablets on East that were to be 
positioned immediately SE of the Swan Pen at Stewart Park (are they still 
there?)?

Sincerely,
Chris T-H

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From: bounce-55993034-3488...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-55993034-3488...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Jane Graves
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:13 PM
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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Fuertes Birds Sanctuary article

I found an interesting article from the Cornell Daily Sun, Issue 128, 22 
March, 1928, page 5, titled Fuertes Bird Sanctuary Will Represent Extensive 
Development of Stewart Park.  Subtitle: Dredging on project to develop 
marshlands at head of Cayuga Lake in memorial to Louis A. Fuertes '97 begun 
last week... An architect's drawing is included.

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fuertes Birds Sanctuary article

[geokloppel]

Chris wrote:

 After reading this article, it would appear that the “Swan Pen” is actually 
 the Fuertes Memorial Bird Sanctuary

Well that would certainly give us good excuse for having retained Renwick 
Sanctuary as the proper name for the woods!

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fuertes Birds Sanctuary article

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Geo Kloppel
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Spencer NY 14883
607 564 7026

On May 8, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes c...@cornell.edu 
wrote:

 What is the label on the cement archway at the old SE entrance to Renwick? 
 I’m wondering when that was created

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fuertes Birds Sanctuary article

[geokloppel]

Don't remember the name for certain, but I do recall that there's a date on it.
 
 On May 8, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fuertes Birds Sanctuary article

[geokloppel]

Rick wrote:

 I have a photo.  I would love to work with Bird Club to restore the Arch.

That ought to cement the proper name of the sanctuary into the minds of 
present-day club members!

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RE:[cayugabirds-l] Fuertes Birds Sanctuary article

[Marty Schlabach]

Where is Dorothy McIlroy when we need her?

Marty

From: bounce-56022117-3494...@list.cornell.edu 
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Tessaglia-Hymes
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:26 PM
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Subject: RE:[cayugabirds-l] Fuertes Birds Sanctuary article

Thanks to Bill Hecht, I have placed his scan of said article here: 
http://www.northeastbirding.com/FuertesSanctuary.jpg

After reading this article, it would appear that the Swan Pen is actually the 
Fuertes Memorial Bird Sanctuary, (a.k.a. Fuertes Sanctuary?), following the 
untimely death of Fuertes. The top listed name on the planning committee was 
none other than Arthur A. Allen (founder of the Lab of Ornithology and close 
friend of Fuertes's). This may suggest that the original Fuertes Sanctuary 
was indeed originally located at the Swan Pen area at Stewart Park...but, 
what about Renwick Sanctuary? What is the label on the cement archway at the 
old SE entrance to Renwick? I'm wondering when that was created and, if labeled 
Fuertes Sanctuary, why so? What happened to the Fuertes Memorial Bird Sanctuary 
and the seasonal museum in the old Cascadilla boat house as described in 
the article? Did that ever come to fruition? What about the stone masonry 
piers (sic) with Fuertes Memorial bronze tablets on East that were to be 
positioned immediately SE of the Swan Pen at Stewart Park (are they still 
there?)?

Sincerely,
Chris T-H

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I found an interesting article from the Cornell Daily Sun, Issue 128, 22 
March, 1928, page 5, titled Fuertes Bird Sanctuary Will Represent Extensive 
Development of Stewart Park.  Subtitle: Dredging on project to develop 
marshlands at head of Cayuga Lake in memorial to Louis A. Fuertes '97 begun 
last week... An architect's drawing is included.

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RE:[cayugabirds-l] Fuertes Birds Sanctuary article

[Meena Haribal]

I have been reading the e-mails on Fuertes vs Renwick Sanctuary.



I was wondering how did or could Cayuga Bird Club rename a place by something 
else. Did they have to go through town administrators to change the name?



Secondly, if CBC can give names could some one in future change the name to 
some other local well known Ornithologist or somebody else?



This happens routinely in India. All the politicians end up getting something 
named after them and after their death next one come in line, when many places 
were named after something of local importance, either presence of nice tree, 
or a museum, temple or locations etc.



 I would have called it (Fuertes vs Renwick Sanctuary) Great Horned Owl Woods!



Just some more fuel to the discussion :-)

Meena





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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fuertes Birds Sanctuary article

[geokloppel]

According to a hiker's account that I've come across, the inscription on the 
arch reads:

Renwick Wildwood 
   Sanctuary
Cayuga Bird Club




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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Aurora Birds

[bob mcguire]

Thanks Steve! What would I do without you??

Your reply reminded me that, in addition to all of the loons,  
scoters,  grebes, and gulls at Aurora, I also had one DOUBLE-CRESTED  
CORMORANT.


Bob
On Nov 15, 2011, at 8:06 PM, Susan Fast wrote:


Re: loons

On Oct. 23 of last year, just north of Long Point State Park, I  
happened

upon a large group of loons actively diving.  Ring-billed gulls and
cormorants were also present.  I counted 110 loons.  Shortly after  
this the
diving activity ceased, and the loons rested at the surface.  I  
counted 360
loons at that time.  Doing some crude calculations, I figure Bob had  
about

500 loons at Aurora today.

S. Fast
Brooktondale

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[mailto:bounce-38272036-9286...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of bob  
mcguire

Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 2:43 PM
To: cayugabirdlist
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Aurora Birds

I made a quick run up to Aurora over lunch today. The water was flat,
no shimmer, and all the birds on the water were readily visible. In
addition to a flock of Ring-billed Gulls and 2 Great Black-backed
Gulls, I noted 171 Common Loons. I am sure that there were more. They
were spread out across the lake and actively diving. Also: 1 RED-
NECKED GREBE, 1 Horned Grebe, 6 SURF SCOTERS, 6 WHITE-WINGED SCOTERS,
2 LONG-TAILED DUCKS.

And on the way up, at Myers: 74 Common Loons, 1 RED THROATED LOON, 3
SURF SCOTERS.

Bob McGuire



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[Dave Nutter]

Doing some even more crude calculations I figure Bob had 4.54 Double-crested Cormorants. Bob  I crossed paths at Myers at noon, and thanks to his brief note of what he'd found, I made the effort and also saw the RED-THROATED LOON far out in the lake, along with, coincidentally, 110 COMMON LOONS. However they were not actively diving, so maybe it was really only 24.2 of them. I missed the scoters and saw no cormorants either, so I'm not sure how many of them there were. --Dave NutterOn Nov 15, 2011, at 08:37 PM, bob mcguire bmcgu...@clarityconnect.com wrote:Thanks Steve! What would I do without you??

Your reply reminded me that, in addition to all of the loons,  
scoters,  grebes, and gulls at Aurora, I also had one DOUBLE-CRESTED  
CORMORANT.

Bob
On Nov 15, 2011, at 8:06 PM, Susan Fast wrote:

 Re: loons

 On Oct. 23 of last year, just north of Long Point State Park, I  
 happened
 upon a large group of loons actively diving.  Ring-billed gulls and
 cormorants were also present.  I counted 110 loons.  Shortly after  
 this the
 diving activity ceased, and the loons rested at the surface.  I  
 counted 360
 loons at that time.  Doing some crude calculations, I figure Bob had  
 about
 500 loons at Aurora today.

 S. Fast
 Brooktondale

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 [mailto:bounce-38272036-9286...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of bob  
 mcguire
 Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 2:43 PM
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 Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Aurora Birds

 I made a quick run up to Aurora over lunch today. The water was flat,
 no shimmer, and all the birds on the water were readily visible. In
 addition to a flock of Ring-billed Gulls and 2 Great Black-backed
 Gulls, I noted 171 Common Loons. I am sure that there were more. They
 were spread out across the lake and actively diving. Also: 1 RED-
 NECKED GREBE, 1 Horned Grebe, 6 SURF SCOTERS, 6 WHITE-WINGED SCOTERS,
 2 LONG-TAILED DUCKS.

 And on the way up, at Myers: 74 Common Loons, 1 RED THROATED LOON, 3
 SURF SCOTERS.

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Singing birds

[david nicosia]

I heard a Blue-headed vireo singing the other day
too...in the hemlocks where they breed at my dad's
home. Was it a migrant? or the bird that bred there
singing  before he leaves for the south? hard to say...



From: Lisa Wood lisa.w...@stewarthowe.com
To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Singing birds


Yes, and the annual occurrence of autumnal recrudescence:

The Autumnal Recrudescence of the Amatory Urge When the birds are cacaphonic 
in the trees and on the verge
Of the fields in mid-October when the cold is like a scourge.
It is not delight in winter that makes feathered voices surge,
But autumnal recrudescence of the amatory urge. When the frost is on the 
punkin' and when leaf and branch diverge,
Birds with hormones reawakened sing a paean, not a dirge.
What's the reason for their warbling? Why on earth this late-year splurge?
The autumnal recrudescence of the amatory urge.  
-
Written by Susan Stiles, copyright December 1973 

A posting about this usually occurs annually as well. :)
Lisa
On Oct 14, 2011, at 10:24 AM, Meena Haribal wrote: 


I heard Chipping sparrow singing on the campus!  It is perfect nice spring 
weather outside with south wind.

Meena

Meena Haribal
Boyce Thompson Institute
Ithaca NY 14850
Phone 607-254-1258
http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/
http://haribal.org/
http://haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf

-Original Message-
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[mailto:bounce-38153194-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Laura Stenzler
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:20 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Singing birds

This morning I came across a flock of migrants along Hunt Hill Rd. which 
included song, white-throated and chipping sparrows, towhee, many juncos, many 
ruby-crowned kinglets which were singing, one hermit thrush, several robins 
and one singing blue-headed vireo. All of these birds were in one  small 
shrubby area. I was very surprised to hear the singing!





Laura

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Singing birds

[Lisa Wood]

Yes, and the annual occurrence of autumnal recrudescence:

The Autumnal Recrudescence of the Amatory Urge

When the birds are cacaphonic in the trees and on the verge
Of the fields in mid-October when the cold is like a scourge.
It is not delight in winter that makes feathered voices surge,
But autumnal recrudescence of the amatory urge.

When the frost is on the punkin' and when leaf and branch diverge,
Birds with hormones reawakened sing a paean, not a dirge.
What's the reason for their warbling? Why on earth this late-year
  splurge?
The autumnal recrudescence of the amatory urge.

-
Written by Susan Stiles, copyright December 1973

A posting about this usually occurs annually as well. :)
Lisa
On Oct 14, 2011, at 10:24 AM, Meena Haribal wrote:

 I heard Chipping sparrow singing on the campus!  It is perfect nice  
 spring weather outside with south wind.

 Meena

 Meena Haribal
 Boyce Thompson Institute
 Ithaca NY 14850
 Phone 607-254-1258
 http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/
 http://haribal.org/
 http://haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf

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 [mailto:bounce-38153194-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
 ] On Behalf Of Laura Stenzler
 Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:20 AM
 To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
 Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Singing birds

 This morning I came across a flock of migrants along Hunt Hill Rd.  
 which included song, white-throated and chipping sparrows, towhee,  
 many juncos, many ruby-crowned kinglets which were singing, one  
 hermit thrush, several robins and one singing blue-headed vireo. All  
 of these birds were in one  small shrubby area. I was very surprised  
 to hear the singing!





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[Meena Haribal]

I heard Chipping sparrow singing on the campus!  It is perfect nice spring 
weather outside with south wind.

Meena

Meena Haribal
Boyce Thompson Institute
Ithaca NY 14850
Phone 607-254-1258
http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/
http://haribal.org/
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Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:20 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Singing birds

This morning I came across a flock of migrants along Hunt Hill Rd. which 
included song, white-throated and chipping sparrows, towhee, many juncos, many 
ruby-crowned kinglets which were singing, one hermit thrush, several robins and 
one singing blue-headed vireo. All of these birds were in one  small shrubby 
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Re:[cayugabirds-l] Dead Birds Mulberry Tree

[bilbaker]

Hi Bob,

I have lived with Mulberries (both red and white varieties) in my yard at
several points in my life and never seen anything like this. I have often
eaten them myself. I have seen birds eating Mulberries to no ill effect, 
and I have seen birds intoxicated from Mulberries,  as well as Cherries
that have fallen and fermented.  

I do wonder whether the roots of this tree have tapped into something
toxic/lethal to birds,  but not toxic to plants,  and that it has been
passed to the fruit. Is it possible that there was any kind of dumping in
the area before your friend lived there?  

While I know this statement will seem obvious, I'm going to say it anyway,
 no one should be eating berries from those particular trees unless the
fruit has been tested for toxic chemicals etc...

Bill
Baker

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