Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement problem

2020-06-18 Thread Nukri Sanishvili
Hi Robert, In addition to the great suggestions you already have received, maybe you should also consider SIMBAD or similar programs? The behavior you are describing is typical of, albeit not exclusive to, having crystallized a contaminant protein. Good luck! Nukri On Thu, Jun 18, 2020, 08:01

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement problem

2020-06-18 Thread Fischmann, Thierry
: CCP4 bulletin board On Behalf Of Robert S Phillips Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 9:01 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement problem EXTERNAL EMAIL – Use caution with any links or file attachments. I've been pulling out my hair with this for a few months now. I have

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement problem

2020-06-18 Thread Eleanor Dodson
/david_briggs > -- > *From:* CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Robert S > Phillips > *Sent:* 18 June 2020 14:00 > *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > *Subject:* [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement problem > > I've been pulling out my hair with this for a few

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement problem

2020-06-18 Thread Roger Rowlett
I managed to solve a structure by MR at 2.4 A with a 27% identity model. Like you, I had to use a dimer search model to make any headway. To get usable maps and an initial model, I used Chainsaw to truncate the search model, Phaser (MR), Parrot (DM) with NCS averaging, then auto building with

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement problem

2020-06-18 Thread David Briggs
Phillips Sent: 18 June 2020 14:00 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement problem I've been pulling out my hair with this for a few months now. I have data sets to 2.6 A for a new enzyme in the aminotransferase superfamily. Unfortunately, the closest structure is only

[ccp4bb] Molecular replacement problem

2020-06-18 Thread Robert S Phillips
I've been pulling out my hair with this for a few months now. I have data sets to 2.6 A for a new enzyme in the aminotransferase superfamily. Unfortunately, the closest structure is only 25% identity. MR with PHASER using the monomer was a complete failure. Since the minimum structure of

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement with template having low sequence identity

2017-06-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
conformational changes like antibodies and >>>> calmodulin). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If molecular replacement fails, you should also look very carefully in >>>> the space group assignment and in case of ambiguity try all poss

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement with template having low sequence identity

2017-06-05 Thread Shankar Prasad Kanaujia
odies and >>> calmodulin). >>> >>> >>> >>> If molecular replacement fails, you should also look very carefully in >>> the space group assignment and in case of ambiguity try all possible space >>> groups for your MR searches. &g

[ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement

2014-12-22 Thread Muhammed bashir Khan
Hi All; I have a native data set of membrane protein at 3.8A. I nearly use all the options for Molrep. I would like to ask, is some body has some special strategy which can work for difficult Molrep Thanks you in Advance Bashir -- Muhammad Bashir Khan

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement with poor model

2014-12-14 Thread Ursula Schulze-Gahmen
Thanks for all the good suggestions. This gives me a lot more things to try. Ursula On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 2:44 AM, Claudia Millán Nebot cmn...@ibmb.csic.es wrote: Dear Ursula, If you have a resolution around 2.0 A you can try some of the following: - Expand the partial solution with

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement with poor model

2014-12-13 Thread Claudia Millán Nebot
Dear Ursula, If you have a resolution around 2.0 A you can try some of the following: - Expand the partial solution with shelxe autotracing feature. - Do a search with ARCIMBOLDO_LITE using the partial solution. You can fin the program at http://chango.ibmb.csic.es/arcimboldo_lite. Then,

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement with poor model

2014-12-13 Thread Daniel Rigden
Dear Ursula AMPLE is also worth trying, especially but not exclusively for smaller and predominantly helical targets. It was originally conceived for novel folds but you may well find ab initio modelling methods get closer to the real structure of distant homologs than the nearest available

[ccp4bb] molecular replacement with poor model

2014-12-12 Thread Ursula Schulze-Gahmen
I am trying molecular replacement with a very poor model. The model consists mainly of 1 long helix and two slightly bent antiparallel helices. After dividing it into 2 fragments, I was able to find a solution for one of the fragments ( at least I think so after looking at maps, packing,

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement with poor model

2014-12-12 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Ursula, I also tried to just superimpose the complete model onto the partial solution. This results in quite nice packing, but doesn't refine. Is there a rigid program refinement program with very large convergence? depending on what you call very large, this may be helpful: Automatic

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement with poor model

2014-12-12 Thread Randy Read
Dear Ursula, 18% identity is really in the twilight zone for molecular replacement, where it may work but there are certainly no guarantees. However, there’s a feature in Phaser that is useful for this kind of problem, i.e. the “rotate around” option, where you take advantage of knowing the

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement with poor model

2014-12-12 Thread xaravich ivan
What is the resolution of your data? I have been able to get a solution for my protein with 30% identity but my resolution of data was 1.4 Angs. I believe to get a solution at 18% identity your search model has to be very close, like using Robetta to make the 3 mer and 9mer peptides and then work

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement model preparation

2014-10-07 Thread Sheriff, Steven
All: While Phil Jeffrey attributed to me the trick of aligning the hinge axis of an Fab along the Z direction, I, in turn, must give credit to Mirek Cygler, who explained this to me at the Diffraction Methods in Molecular Biology [now Structural Biology] Gordon Research Conference in 1986.

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement model preparation

2014-10-07 Thread Scott Thomas Walsh
Hi Steven, Thank you for the information and guidance. When you search for all the ensembles with Phaser do you use “AND” or “OR” searching? Cheers, Scott While Phil Jeffrey attributed to me the “trick” of aligning the hinge axis of an Fab along the Z direction, I, in turn, must give

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement model preparation

2014-10-07 Thread Randy Read
Dear Scott, By “AND” searching, presumably you mean adding another SEARCH command? (Or clicking “Add another search” in the ccp4i interface.) For Steven’s strategy, you want to specify separate searches for separate ensembles, i.e. give several SEARCH commands in a script or add extra

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement model preparation

2014-10-06 Thread Phil Jeffrey
That document is fairly old and is in dire need of revision to reflect the modern arsenal of programs. Nevertheless: Putting the hinge axis along Z was a trick told to me by Steven Sheriff back in the days when we worked on Fab structures - which after all are classical examples of hinged

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement model preparation

2014-10-06 Thread Scott Thomas Walsh
Hi Phil, Thank you for the input. I would like to get CCP4ers input. I deal with multiple domain cytokine receptors in a manner very similar to antibody molecules. Have people have more correct solutions searching for 1 domain sequentially and then other domains OR searching for multiple

[ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement model preparation

2014-10-05 Thread Luzuokun
Dear all, I’m doing molecular replacement using Phaser. My protein is predicted to have two domain with a “hinge” linking them. The model sequence identity is 0.27. But the MR result is poor. I’ve tried other programme (Molrep, MrBump, Balbes,,,_.) But no improvement was observed. I

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement model preparation

2014-10-05 Thread David Schuller
Since there is a hinge, you could try searching with the two domains separately. On 10/05/14 03:34, Luzuokun wrote: Dear all, I’m doing molecular replacement using Phaser. My protein is predicted to have two domain with a “hinge” linking them. The model sequence identity is 0.27. But the MR

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement using low sequence identity templates

2013-10-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
- Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Jan Félix Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Oktober 2013 13:17 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement using low sequence identity templates Dear all, I have a question regarding Molecular Replacement using

Re: [ccp4bb] [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement using low sequence identity templates

2013-10-21 Thread Randy Read
Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Jan Félix Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Oktober 2013 13:17 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement using low sequence identity templates Dear all, I have a question regarding Molecular

Re: [ccp4bb] [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement using low sequence identity templates

2013-10-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement using low sequence identity templates Dear all, I have a question regarding Molecular Replacement using low sequence identity templates. I have a 2.7 Angstrom dataset of a heterodimeric protein-protein complex (space group C 1 2 1

[ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement using low sequence identity templates

2013-10-18 Thread Jan Félix
Dear all, I have a question regarding Molecular Replacement using low sequence identity templates. I have a 2.7 Angstrom dataset of a heterodimeric protein-protein complex (space group C 1 2 1, no twinning detected using xtriage). For the first component homologs are available, but for

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement using low sequence identity templates

2013-10-18 Thread Herman . Schreuder
i.e. continuous crystal contacts in all three dimensions. Best, Herman -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Jan Félix Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Oktober 2013 13:17 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement problem.

2013-03-25 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Umm - this is tricky. First of all you need to reindex the C2221 data into the P21 cell - do you know the operator? then expand that data set to spacegroup P21. There is a cad option to do this.. Then add that FreeR to the re-processed P21 data. Eleanor On 24 March 2013 14:37, Appu kumar

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement problem.

2013-03-24 Thread Appu kumar
Thank you for the quick reply. After molecular replacement , i have done only few cycle of refinement in refmac. I have not done any solvent modification or NCS averaging. I have initially indexed the data in C2221 but Rfree was not decreasing so i reindexed the data in data in P121 space group

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement problem.

2013-03-24 Thread Appu kumar
I run the phenix.xtriage to evaluate the twining but it suggest no twining. When i reindex from C2221 to P21, the completeness of data reduced from 95 % to 35% whereas the map is very good and Rwork and Rfree are 26/31 for 2.2 resolution. I do not understand why the completeness of data reduced so

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement problem.

2013-03-24 Thread vellieux
Hello, Here we deal with symmetry and the unique part of reciprocal space (the reciprocal space asymmetric unit so to speak). C222(1) has eight asymmetric units (international tables, space group 20); P2(1) only has two. Assuming that Friedel's law does apply, then the minimum rotation

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement problem.

2013-03-24 Thread Raji Edayathumangalam
Dear Appu, You want to be sure you have good reason to drop the space group from C222(1) to P2(1). There may be many reasons why your Rfree may not drop following refinement, especially if you only have one domain in your protein located and just in case there are more molecules to locate in the

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement problem.

2013-03-24 Thread Appu kumar
Sorry for the misconception. Yes i am expanding the space group from merged mtz file. Actually i have enough number of images collected. when i indexed, integrate, and scale the data in either C2221 or P 21, it fetches the overall 98% completeness. But when i am trying to reindex the data from

[ccp4bb] molecular replacement problem.

2013-03-23 Thread Appu kumar
Dear members, I am doing a molecular replacement of a transcription factor whose ligand binding structure(24000 Da) is available in PDB but not for the DNA binding(13000 Da). When i am searching for the two copies from ligand binding domain as a template model, i am

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement problem.

2013-03-23 Thread Raji Edayathumangalam
Dear Appu, I am not sure that I have a complete sense of the issue at hand since some of the information needed to think your issue through is missing in your email. For example, to what high resolution cut-off were the data measured? What resolution limits were used for the MR search? How do the

[ccp4bb] molecular replacement for flexible domain of protein

2013-02-18 Thread Appu kumar
Dear ccp4 user, I have problem in finding the phase for the flexible DNA binding domain of LTTR protein. The unit cell parameters are ,Unit Cell: 46.92 105.30 47.75 90.00 103.26 90.00, and space-Group P 1 21 1. Molecular weight of protein is 36000Da. When i am running

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement for flexible domain of protein

2013-02-18 Thread Herman . Schreuder
to try both options. Good luck! Herman From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Appu kumar Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 10:52 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement

[ccp4bb] Molecular replacement of chimeric protein

2012-07-23 Thread RHYS GRINTER
Hi All, Thanks for the all the advice on my previous question regarding the likely photo-reduction of my crystals. I've now collected a data set on these crystals. The protein is a chimera of two domains of known structure (Ferredoxin domain and Colicin domain), what's the best way to use all

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement

2012-04-20 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Thank you very much! Eleanor On 19 April 2012 19:43, Bret Wallace bretw...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed this missing when I first installed v. 6.2 as well. They noted this in the problems page. You just need to replace the phaser_MR.tcl file with the updated version in the updates page. I

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement

2012-04-19 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Several possibilities. 1) Phaser is very prone to reject solutions because of packing clashes.. (PS How do you reset the packing limit in the current GUI?) Running chainsaw before you begin the search can help - it prunes out patches where the sequences don't match and gives a sensibly truncated

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement

2012-04-19 Thread Bret Wallace
I noticed this missing when I first installed v. 6.2 as well. They noted this in the problems page. You just need to replace the phaser_MR.tcl file with the updated version in the updates page. I tried this earlier and it created a new line in the GUI to specify the packing criterion under

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement

2012-04-18 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I always start MR by running chainsaw - you need a pit file or fast or blast output with the sequence alignment of the template and your new protein. chainsaw will edit the template to a) renumber residues taking account of any insertions and deletions b) prune and rename residues to the given

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement

2012-04-18 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 17:49 -0400, Uma Ratu wrote: In order to have my target .pdb, I need to mutate the residues using coot? Others already recommended CHAINSAW to prepare the model. Note that coot has a nice feature under Extensions-All molecule... called [Post MR] Fill partial residues

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement

2012-04-18 Thread Uma Ratu
Ed: Thank you very much for your advice and inputs regards Ros On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Ed Pozharski epozh...@umaryland.eduwrote: On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 17:49 -0400, Uma Ratu wrote: In order to have my target .pdb, I need to mutate the residues using coot? Others already

[ccp4bb] Molecular replacement

2012-04-18 Thread Krithika Sundaram
Hi all, I am working on an oxidoreductase and having some trouble during molecular replacement. The resolution of the crystal is 1.7 A and the space group is I4122 (a = b = 121.086, c =156.93 and alpha = beta = gamma = 90). The cell content analysis results predicted two molecules in the

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement

2012-04-18 Thread Ed Pozharski
36% solvent sounds too low. Most protein crystals are at ~50%. On the other hand, if you assume one molecule, your solvent content jumps to 68% - not unheard of, but somewhat high for 1.7A resolution dataset. But you have a good MR solution, just try to refine/rebuild and see what you have in

[ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement

2012-04-17 Thread Uma Ratu
Hello, I have a question about molecular replacement. I use Phaser or AutoMR to generate models of my target protein. Input .mtz is from X-ray diffraction. Template is from a known structure. I also set up seq file using my target protein. The sequence identity between template and my target

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement

2012-04-17 Thread Edward A. Berry
I would say yes. In any case you need to examine each mutated residue to be sure the correct conformation is chosen, so you might as well do the mutagenesis in coot or O. The ccp4 chainsaw program is sometimes used to prepare models for MR, but it truncates the mutated residues to variable

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement

2012-04-17 Thread Uma Ratu
Thank you very much for your inputs and comments. I am getting understand what is going on now. If your resolution is high (2.2 A or better?) and you have ARP/wARP Yes, the resolution is about 2A. I have ARP/wARP. Will give a try. One more question about Molecular Replacement. With Phaser, I

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement

2012-04-17 Thread Uma Ratu
Does that mean a different number of molecules in the asymmetric was found, With Phaser, 4 monomers. With AutoMR, 2 monomers. did you divide the molecule and find each part separately? Each monomer (by AutoMR) is composed of two chains. One chain is part of my target. The other chain matchs to

[ccp4bb] molecular replacement of protein/DNA complex

2012-01-06 Thread Wei Shi
Hi all, I have been trying to solve a protein-DNA complex structure using molecular replacement. I suspect two copies of protein bind one piece of the DNA, and the angle between the two copies of protein is somewhere between 130 to 180 degrees. I could get molecular replacement solution using a

[ccp4bb] molecular replacement solution

2011-03-15 Thread Careina Edgooms
Dear CCP4 members I have a confusion with molecular replacement. I wish to solve a monomeric protein in P21 where there are 2 monomers in asymmetric unit. I have a search model that also has 2 monomers in asymmetric unit. First I try using Phaser. I use only one chain of the monomer model

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement solution

2011-03-15 Thread Frederic VELLIEUX
in order to rebuild the surface loops in their correct positions. HTH, Fred. (there are other possibilities of course, such as incorrect space group assignment) Message du 15/03/11 07:41 De : Careina Edgooms A : CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Copie à : Objet : [ccp4bb] molecular replacement solution

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement solution

2011-03-15 Thread David Schuller
On 03/15/11 02:41, Careina Edgooms wrote: Dear CCP4 members I have a confusion with molecular replacement. I wish to solve a monomeric protein in P21 where there are 2 monomers in asymmetric unit. How do you know that? What would the %solvent be with one monomer, and with two? If, using

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement solution

2011-03-15 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 23:41 -0700, Careina Edgooms wrote: So I am confused. What am I doing wrong? Please help me with suggestions Generally, it may be a good idea to post phaser log-file, etc. when asking a question. You may be able to get more specific suggestions then - otherwise, all one

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement solution

2011-03-15 Thread Francis E Reyes
Is there NCS? (How's the self rotation look? How about the native patterson?) Does your search model have flexible loops? You may have the right solution, but the flexible loops may be in a different conformation and cause clashes. Trim the search model to the conserved / structured

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement question

2010-09-23 Thread zhang yu
Maybe there is a domain shift of your protein compared to the model. If this is the case, try to do the MP with successive domains. 2010/9/13 Paul Holland pholl...@umd.edu Hello fellow crystallographers, I am trying molecular replacement for a protein crystal dataset that has very high

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement question

2010-09-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 09:50 Tue 14 Sep , Dirk Kostrewa wrote: I would spend some time in improving the search model, first. If there are more than one possible search molecules in the PDB, I usually do a structural alignment (ssm superposition) to get an idea about the flexibility of the search molecules.

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement question

2010-09-14 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Dear Paul Holland, I would spend some time in improving the search model, first. If there are more than one possible search molecules in the PDB, I usually do a structural alignment (ssm superposition) to get an idea about the flexibility of the search molecules. Then I remove all parts that

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement question

2010-09-14 Thread xaravich ivan
Two questions. What is the resolution of your data? what is the percentage sequence identity? even if you are confident of C2, try using PHASER with all space groups and searching for 2-4 monomers. Ivan On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Paul Holland pholl...@umd.edu wrote: Hello fellow

[ccp4bb] Molecular replacement question

2010-09-13 Thread Paul Holland
Hello fellow crystallographers, I am trying molecular replacement for a protein crystal dataset that has very high sequence similarity to the search model with several predicted flexible loop regions; however, all attempts at finding a solution have not produce very ideal starting solutions

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement question

2010-09-13 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Does your model structure form a dimer? Maybe best to search with that model.. eleanor Paul Holland wrote: Hello fellow crystallographers, I am trying molecular replacement for a protein crystal dataset that has very high sequence similarity to the search model with several predicted

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement question

2010-09-13 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 15:52 +0100, Paul Holland wrote: that has very high sequence similarity to the search model How high exactly? -- I'd jump in myself, if I weren't so good at whistling. Julian, King of Lemurs

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement question

2010-09-13 Thread Roger Rowlett
Here is how I would approach this: Use Phaser to search with monomers, or dimers if you suspect that the biological unit is composed of dimers and have reasonable guess at a dimer search model. Also consider searching with N- and C-terminal truncated search models. Sometimes a

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement question

2010-09-13 Thread Maia Cherney
Try balbes from G. Murshudov's website. It will find proper search model and use proper truncations automatically. In addition, it will put in your sequence. Paul Holland wrote: Hello fellow crystallographers, I am trying molecular replacement for a protein crystal dataset that has very

[ccp4bb] molecular replacement

2010-06-24 Thread Xianhui Wu
Dear All, I am trying to resolve a protein structure with the use of Molecular Replacement. However, some part of protein are overlap in the interface of homodimer. Would someone please give me suggestions? Thank you! -- Best regards, WuXH

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement

2010-06-24 Thread Vellieux Frederic
Hi there, If there are a few clashes (acceptable - usually surface loops that enter the surface part of another molecule or subunit) then you can delete the parts of loops that usually have poor density and that clash, refine, compute a new map and see if the loop can be traced (usually it

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement

2010-05-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hmm - that is odd. You may have the wrong SG in the mtz file. Try MOLREP or PHASER with the option to try all spacegroups consistewnt with the pointgroup. Eleanor intekhab alam wrote: Hi all I am trying to do molecular replacement with low resolution (4Å) using Molrep and Phaser. Overall

[ccp4bb] molecular replacement

2010-05-21 Thread intekhab alam
Hi all I am trying to do molecular replacement with low resolution (4Å) using Molrep and Phaser. Overall R-factor is 11.3%, completeness 95.4%, I/sigma 2, and Chi^2 0.95. Identities between my protein and templates were more than 80%. I couldn’t get correct solution. Rotation function,

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement

2010-05-21 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear intekhab, a few suggestions: - are you sure of the space group or might there be alternatives? - is you protein globular or modular, i.e., is it worth running MR with stable subdomains one after the other? - try a poly-alanine model (e.g. chainsaw can do this for you, pdbset probably,

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement

2010-05-21 Thread Vineet Gaur
Also check if you have correctly estimated no. of molecules in asymmetric unit. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote: Dear intekhab, a few suggestions: - are you sure of the space group or might there be alternatives? - is you protein globular or

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement

2010-05-21 Thread Phoebe Rice
...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Also check if you have correctly estimated no. of molecules in asymmetric unit. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote: Dear  intekhab, a few suggestions

[ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement

2010-01-18 Thread Muhammed bashir Khan
Dear All; We have solved a crystal structrure of protein at 1.8 A. I have now another crystal of the same protein in aother unit cell,for the new crystal type resolution is 3.6 A but when I use our structure as a seach model It does't give any solution. Any suggestion would be highly

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement

2010-01-18 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Muhammed, that's not uncommon. Your protein might undergo domain movements or contain flexible parts. if your structure contains any loops / floppy regions (with high B-values), you can exclude them from the search model. If it is composed of domains, chop it into pieces and search

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement

2010-01-18 Thread Christian Biertuempfel
Dear Muhammed, In case you have used phaser for MR you could try to either decrease sequence identity or increase the rmsd of the search model (both ways are equivalent). This allows also to account for flexibility/movements in your target protein like Tim explained. Cheers, christian Muhammed

[ccp4bb] molecular replacement in phaser

2009-11-10 Thread Lisa Wang
Hi all, I got one data about 3.0 A, belong to C2 space group. There are two protein molecules and one 18-nt dsRNA per ASU. The structure of last 100aa (C-terminal) has been reported, and 400 aa at N-terminalhe has homology structure with sequence identiy 30%. I try to solve it by MR with phaser.

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement in phaser

2009-11-10 Thread Christian Biertuempfel
Hi Lisa, There are many things you can try and the phaser manual gives a lot of useful information what to do in difficult cases. From my experience, it is quite difficult to find solutions for MR with nucleic acids. I recommend to search only for protein. As a side effect you can use this

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement in phaser

2009-11-10 Thread Phoebe Rice
the software because the DNA is denser. Of course, every case has its own idiosyncracies. Phoebe Original message Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:19:43 -0500 From: Christian Biertuempfel biertumpf...@niddk.nih.gov Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement in phaser To: CCP4BB

[ccp4bb] Molecular replacement with merohedarlly twinned data

2009-09-11 Thread Pietro Roversi
Dear all, when searching in Molecular Replacement against say perfectly merohedrally twinned data (i.e. an alpha=0.5 twin) do I understand it right that I should expect two sets of solutions that are equivalent under the twin operator (bar xtal symmetry and/or origin shifts)?

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement with merohedarlly twinned data

2009-09-11 Thread Randy Read
Yes, but if the twin fraction deviates even slightly from 1/2, you may only get one solution from the search. If you want, you can generate the other one and see how happy the program is. Regards, Randy On 11 Sep 2009, at 15:12, Pietro Roversi wrote: Dear all, when

[ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement of a protein complex

2009-07-09 Thread Daniel Bonsor
My first time posting to the CCP4BB board and I am very sure it will not be my last. I have a general and specific question concerning molecular replacements of protein-protein complexes. I have a good dataset (2.5A, 98% complete), which has been integrated and scaled. Pointless suggested the

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement of a small peptide

2009-06-21 Thread Mark J. van Raaij
Dear Allen, Sue, we also have had some luck with ACORN, but as our peptide did not have alpha-helical structure, the postdoc on the project used a 4-aa beta-turn fragment instead. I can put you in contact with him for more details. As I understand it, ACORN uses a mixed MR/direct methods

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement of a small peptide

2009-06-20 Thread George M. Sheldrick
If you have 1.1A data and your structure is not too large, ab initio direct methods (e.g. with SHELXD) will probably solve the structure. I would be happy to advise if you wish to try this. George Prof. George M. Sheldrick FRS Dept. Structural Chemistry, University of Goettingen, Tammannstr.

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement of a small peptide

2009-06-20 Thread Nicholas M Glykos
Hi Allen, With such low solvent content (and corresponding tight packing), you may want to give 'Queen of spades (Qs)' a try. The reason being that Qs is not (at least directly) a Patterson-based method (and does not assume that intra-molecular vectors are topologically segregated). If you

[ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement of a small peptide

2009-06-19 Thread Sickmier, Allen
I am trying to do molecular replacement on a small peptide (less than 40 AA) and have not had any success using phaser. Are there any tricks or better programs for really small peptides? The data is great 1.1 A, ~35% solvent, and two molecules in the ASU. I have tried all the standard stuff,

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement of a small peptide

2009-06-19 Thread suer
Have you tried acorn in ccp4? I've had it work well at this resolution, especially if the protein/peptide has some alpha helical content. We used acorn to solve a small cro protein that we couldn't get molecular replacement to work with by using a 5-residue ideal poly-ala helix as the starting

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement of a small peptide

2009-06-19 Thread Randy Read
I've had good luck using Phaser on test cases like that, but haven't had access to a case that was previously unsolved. But in principle it should work, if the model is good enough. It sounds like you've thought about the resolution already, so this is probably redundant. Anyway, the

[ccp4bb] molecular replacement and twinning problems

2009-04-28 Thread Kay Diederichs
Dear all, we have crystals that nicely diffract to 1.7 A (sharp spots), with the following characteristics and findings: a) the data appear as P212121, with axes 117.2 133.6 138.3 (if reduced in P1, the largest deviation of any angle from 90° is 0.2°); the odd screw-axis reflections are

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement and twinning problems

2009-04-28 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You dont mention any twinning tests? The L test, now part of the newest ctruncate is pretty good at detecting twinning even with the NCS translation. And SFCHECK does a good job too. If these are inconclusive I would not assume twinning. Usually you can get solutions for MR with twinned data,

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement and twinning problems

2009-04-28 Thread Kay Diederichs
Eleanor Dodson schrieb: You dont mention any twinning tests? sorry, I forgot to mention that the twinning tests do not show twinning. Rather, the actual curves in the Cumulative distribution of H lie on the not-twinned-at-all (i.e opposite) side of the alpha=0 curve (see plot below). But

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement and twinning problems

2009-04-28 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - there s nothing there to indicate twinning, although as you say it is hard to be sure with a pseudo translation... The contrast doesnt look brilliant, but then it often doesnt.. What about phaser? If it gives a contrast between one spacegroup and the others I always think that is a good

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement using a partial molecular replacement solution

2009-01-21 Thread Herman . Schreuder
are allowed. Best regards, Herman From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mo Wong Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:37 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement using a partial

[ccp4bb] Molecular replacement using a partial molecular replacement solution

2009-01-19 Thread Mo Wong
Hello, My problem: I have poorly phased 3.5A data which suggests 6 molecules per ASU, and using MolRep with the experimental phases (search for model in the map) I have good solutions 3 of them. There is a lot of empty electron density which needs to be filled with more copies of the molecule. I

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement using a partial molecular replacement solution

2009-01-19 Thread Klaus Piontek
Wong, did you look for pseudo-symmetry? For example for pseudo-translation, which you can deduce from a native Patterson. Good luck, Klaus Mo Wong wrote: Hello, My problem: I have poorly phased 3.5A data which suggests 6 molecules per ASU, and using MolRep with the experimental phases

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement at low resolution

2008-04-18 Thread Preben Morth
Hi Junyu It is possible at 6 Å resolution, what I would try is to cut your data and try searching in different resolution ranges 20-7 or 25-6.5 , if you are uncertain about your search model, try with a higher RMS value try going up to 2.0. If you have any data, even at very low resolution,

[ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement at low resolution

2008-04-17 Thread Junyu Xiao
Hi, Does anyone have experience with molecular replacement at low resolution? I have a 6Å dataset with probably 3-4 monomers per ASU. Phaser doesn't seem to give me clear results. Can I get some advice? Any comment will be appreciated. Thanks a lot, Junyu

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement of a multidomain protein

2008-03-07 Thread Lucas Bleicher
I've had a very good experience with MrBump: http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/MrBUMP/ Not only because of the program itself, which was able to find an unexpected template for the problematic chain (the first one was straightforward in Phaser), but also because of great support from Martyn Ron. It's

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement of a multidomain protein

2008-03-07 Thread Roger Rowlett
EPMR (now Open-EPMR, http://www.epmr.info) is an excellent alternative for finding difficult, high-dimensional MR solutions. Experiment with various resolution limits. We solved an asymmetric unit with 3 difficult-to-place dimers of low sequence homology by gradually increasing the

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement of a multidomain protein

2008-03-07 Thread Meyer, Peter
, Pete -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Anjali Mehta Sent: Thu 3/6/2008 7:47 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Molecular replacement of a multidomain protein Dear All, I am working with a Bifunctional protein of molecular weight ~60 kDa. I have a 3.3

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