Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-03 Thread PGNet Dev
On Fri, Jun 2, 2023, 9:09 AM Matthew Miller mailto:mat...@fedoraproject.org>> wrote: I think this sentiment is getting ahead of things. This thread _is_ that effort. Yes, but. In general, a better approach is to say "we plan on orphaning the packages in $timeframe". ... RH, for

Re: Status of the forge macros?

2023-05-24 Thread PGNet Dev
If the need to package a snapshot goes away 'need' is certainly one right operative question. whose? Redhat's? official Fedora packaging's? "just us COPR users"? i'm in the last camp. i build/package to scratch my own projects' requirements' itch(es). here's one,

Re: Status of the forge macros?

2023-05-23 Thread PGNet Dev
Original Message From: Richard W.M. Jones [mailto:rjo...@redhat.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 1:27 PM EDT To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Status of the forge macros? I've been using the so-called forge macros in lots of packages:

Re: Review Request: ImageMagick7

2022-12-06 Thread PGNet Dev
As I said earlier in the thread: of the 25 reverse dependencies of the ImageMagick libraries, only five don't build[1]. Further analysis indicates that dvdauthor has a patch in openSUSE[2], but the fix breaks support for GraphicsMagick as an alternative. I want to rework that patch so it

Re: F38 proposal: RPM Sequoia (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-13 Thread PGNet Dev
Let's Encrypt also supports the dns-01 challenge[1] that doesn't require any publicly available IPs. Using dns verification is required to obtain a Let's Encrypt wildcard certificate. While I tend to prefer using the dns-01 challenge approach when possible, not all DNS providers have made it

Re: Copr delete-by-default expiration policy still unacceptable

2022-10-13 Thread PGNet Dev
Don't get me wrong, the folks who work on Koji and Copr are great, but even they'll admit that they're woefully underfunded. The compose tooling, PDC, etc. are also examples of this problem. Can't agree enough. Hats off to the COPR folks. Without it, even it current state, RH/Fed ecosystem is,

Non-responsive maintainer check for Othman Madjoudj a.k.a. athmane

2022-09-24 Thread PGNet Dev
Does anyone know how to contact Othman Madjoudj a.k.a. athmane? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2129515 Bug List, pkg libmodsecurity ID Status ResolSummary Changed 2129515 NEW Non-responsive

Re: Thunderbird 102 pushed to F36 stable

2022-09-05 Thread PGNet Dev
As I did those updates.. well explained, thx. But this then seems to be a more general problem of how we want to support a switch an application from one ESR/LTS release if it is EOL to the next. not terribly differently than others -- with an abundance of end-user education and caution?

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread PGNet Dev
I'm shutting up now, because this comment from ngompa is, IMO, very well/thoroughly said. thx Neal! On 4/6/22 8:16 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: If you really have a need to reinstall such machine, you'll take the F36 image and upgrade to F37+ and you should still be good. This is not a deprecation

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread PGNet Dev
On 4/6/22 8:03 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: If you really have a need to reinstall such machine, you'll take the F36 image and upgrade to F37+ and you should still be good. With 100s - 1000s of of affected machines -- real & virtual -- still in operation, with usable lifetimes of years-to-come,

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread PGNet Dev
Akamai owns Linode, which is a prominent VPS that focuses on Linux (Linode is a contraction meaning "Linux Node"). +1 DigitalOcean similarly is Linux centric and so Windows doesn't matter. +1 Most web hosting providers and VPSes are Linux-centric and so Windows doesn't matter. +1

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread PGNet Dev
(Akamai is, to my knowledge, not a provider of VPSs.) https://www.linode.com/press-release/akamai-to-acquire-linode/ ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread PGNet Dev
So you've heard that we're overloaded, and you know that UEFI is the direction the world is heading. Well, so is (was?) 'IPv6' ... Your solution to this is... what, stick our heads in the sand and ignore that? Just do legacy? We already have UEFI-only platforms (see also: the mention of ARM

Re: Looking for %{forgemeta} GitHub example

2022-02-24 Thread PGNet Dev
On 2/24/22 10:12 AM, Fabio Valentini wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 4:00 PM PGNet Dev wrote: especially since they don't really provide value for standard GitHub tarball downloads etc. compared to the "old" SourceURL some of us strongly disagree. admittedly, with

Re: Looking for %{forgemeta} GitHub example

2022-02-24 Thread PGNet Dev
especially since they don't really provide value for standard GitHub tarball downloads etc. compared to the "old" SourceURL some of us strongly disagree. admittedly, with no weight ... ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Looking for %{forgemeta} GitHub example

2022-02-22 Thread PGNet Dev
Aside from the other follow-ups about whether or not to use them... here's an example of a SPEC I wrote for a proposed package: not all are concerned with building according to Fedora Packaging standards, for proposal in inclusion some of us use forgemeta because it provides capability that

Re: Packaging my own software?

2022-01-18 Thread PGNet Dev
On 1/18/22 14:29, Chris Adams wrote: to make it easier for me to install my own script and dependencies. :) COPR (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/infra/sysadmin_guide/copr/) exists, in part, to scratch that specific itch. Moving eventually to official builds once a COPR build is humming

Re: Firefox Hardware acceleration & VA-API how-to

2021-11-17 Thread PGNet Dev
VDPAU is not VA-API that's correct Setting VDPAU_DRIVER means nothing to Firefox because it is not using VDPAU. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/VA-API_1.0.0#Detailed_Description https://ffmpeg.org/doxygen/0.8/group__VDPAU__Decoding.html "libva-vdpau-driver which allows to

Re: Firefox Hardware acceleration & VA-API how-to

2021-11-17 Thread PGNet Dev
On 11/16/21 22:48, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 11/15/21 12:03 PM, PGNet Dev wrote: launch @ shell VDPAU_DRIVER=nvidia MOZ_LOG="Dmabuf:5, PlatformDecoderModule:5" firefox I think you mean: LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME=nvidia firefox nope. https://en.wikipedi

Re: Firefox Hardware acceleration & VA-API how-to

2021-11-15 Thread PGNet Dev
Video decoding on NVIDIA Please buy some real Linux hardware. This doesn't really help at all. Is it supposed to be funny, or is it just cynical resignation? After trying to configure HW acceleration on 9xx series GPU, I'll just take that as a serious response. Consider following points:  *

Re: kernel mod build on Ryzen5/f34/kernel-5.14.13 builds OK, but FAILs @ modprobe insertion: "ERROR: could not insert ... Exec format error" ?

2021-10-24 Thread PGNet Dev
randomly poking at headers, just dnf reinstall kernel-devel made no difference to the problem but, complete removal/install dnf remove kernel-devel dnf reinstall kernel-core dnf install kernel-devel dkms bison flex did. now, after nvidia install & subsequent

Re: kernel mod build on Ryzen5/f34/kernel-5.14.13 builds OK, but FAILs @ modprobe insertion: "ERROR: could not insert ... Exec format error" ?

2021-10-24 Thread PGNet Dev
On 10/24/21 00:10, Reon Beon via devel wrote: This is what I found. "11 hour ago" https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/nvidia-470-74-build-error-unable-to-load-the-nvidia-drm-kernel-module-modprobe-error-could-not-insert-nvidia-drm-exec-format-error/19287 Right. I posted it.

kernel mod build on Ryzen5/f34/kernel-5.14.13 builds OK, but FAILs @ modprobe insertion: "ERROR: could not insert ... Exec format error" ?

2021-10-23 Thread PGNet Dev
i'm building nvidia kernel mod, for use with a pci nvidia card inxi -G | grep Dev Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GK208B [GeForce GT 710] driver: N/A Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Cezanne driver: N/A on a new install/build, cat

Re: Fedora  Java: The Death of Two SIGs

2021-09-27 Thread PGNet Dev
So if you only rely in things like OpenJDK (like for running Minecraft, as I do, too), then you'll be fine. If you need ant or maven, you should be fine too, since those two (and their dependencies) will continue to be maintained. But everything else ... *tumbleweeds* Just one user's snapshot;

Re: Fedora  Java: The Death of Two SIGs

2021-09-27 Thread PGNet Dev
Many valid/interesting points being made. Most of them sound, reasonably, like developer-/maintainer-centric issues. Question: Is a primary goal of Fedora distro (JAVA sig, etc) to 'service' its (java app) users? If so, what's the current understanding of a user-driven ProductRequirements

Re: FF builds

2021-09-09 Thread PGNet Dev
On 9/9/21 14:22, Neal Gompa wrote: On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 2:06 PM PGNet Dev wrote: On 9/9/21 13:53, Florian Weimer wrote: Can the Firefox build be distributed among multiple machines? I frequently deploy FF from upstream builds, with updates managed from within the app. Q: Is there any

Re: FF builds

2021-09-09 Thread PGNet Dev
On 9/9/21 13:53, Florian Weimer wrote: Can the Firefox build be distributed among multiple machines? I frequently deploy FF from upstream builds, with updates managed from within the app. Q: Is there any historical _measure_ of security issues fixed in @Fedora FF pkgs, before upstream gets

Re: pdftk retired?

2021-09-08 Thread PGNet Dev
On 9/8/21 06:28, Sérgio Basto wrote: I think the gui of pdftk that I used is pdfchain, I also built pdfchain in my copr repo [3] , if both packages works well I can unretire them . Thank you fyi, here on f34 dnf install bouncycastle rpm -Uvh \

Re: Fedora Source-git SIG report #1 (June 2021)

2021-06-24 Thread PGNet Dev
On 6/24/21 6:40 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 24. 06. 21 11:16, Tomas Tomecek wrote: ## Choosing git forge to host source-git repositories We need to find a home for all the source-git repositories. This is actually a really hard task because we have many options (github.com, gitlab.com,

Re: x86_64-v2 in Fedora

2021-06-21 Thread PGNet Dev
On 6/18/21 1:42 AM, Mark Otaris wrote: For Fedora, linux-hardware.org says 78% use EFI and 16% have Secure Boot enabled. Not a very good data set, though Fedora telemetry wouldn’t be either. Of ~ 1K linux boxes in my env -- bare metal & VM, servers & desktops -- ~ 550 are now running fully

Re: IRC Announcement

2021-05-28 Thread PGNet Dev
one of the more important trusts we place in the parties in question is to protect the privacy of tens of thousands of *other* people's private conversations. Sure. As do we all. Mostly. Kind of. Ok, hopefully. Again, to _my_ read, _I_ see absolutely nothing in either side's recent

Re: IRC Announcement

2021-05-28 Thread PGNet Dev
due specifically to Andrew Lee's actions. I'd bet $0.05 and a half-eaten donut that most folks shrieking about this would be hard-pressed to regurgitate much of anything beyond 'headlines', with little actual insight into objective details. But then, I'm often wrong. Now, back to real work

Re: IRC Announcement

2021-05-28 Thread PGNet Dev
Andrew Lee has a flexible relationship with the truth. This is not a both sides issue, as every other free software project has also agreed. Well, it seems you're good then. So, great. Just for me, not my 1st rodeo dealing with the spectrum from megalomaniacal-sociopathic-CEOs to

Re: IRC Announcement

2021-05-28 Thread PGNet Dev
On 5/28/21 12:14 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2021-05-28 at 12:01 -0400, PGNet Dev wrote: On 5/27/21 2:04 PM, Nick Bebout wrote: Since its beginnings, the Fedora Project has used the freenode IRC network for our project communications. Due to a variety of recent changes to that network

Re: IRC Announcement

2021-05-28 Thread PGNet Dev
On 5/27/21 2:04 PM, Nick Bebout wrote: Since its beginnings, the Fedora Project has used the freenode IRC network for our project communications. Due to a variety of recent changes to that network, the Fedora Project is moving our IRC communications to Libera.Chat. If a still-fuzzy "variety

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2021-05-27 Thread PGNet Dev
On 5/27/21 10:45 AM, Nikolay Nikolov wrote: That is quite a painful process. And how do you do that on a MBR system that dual boots Fedora and Windows 10? I really don't want to go through the pain of reinstalling Windows and all the programs that I have there. There's no migration path that

Re: When is pappl going to be good enough to replace cups?

2021-05-26 Thread PGNet Dev
the assumption that all of those several million people will want to print from anything with a CPU ("whatever computing devices one uses") or that that is even the common case. There's been no assumption that "all" want any-one-thing. As for common, print-from-any-device-you-use is

Re: When is pappl going to be good enough to replace cups?

2021-05-26 Thread PGNet Dev
On 5/26/21 4:47 PM, Solomon Peachy wrote: But disabling mDNS altogether might cause undesired regerssions elsewhere. Sure. Particularly if you don't set up your /etc/nsswitch.conf correctly. Hence the 'YMMV'. In general, we assume zero-trust and avoid enabling auto-anything. We add trust

Re: When is pappl going to be good enough to replace cups?

2021-05-26 Thread PGNet Dev
On 5/26/21 4:28 PM, Björn Persson wrote: You have always had (and always will) have that choice; the ability to disable automatic printer discovery has been present since discovery was added with CUPS 1.2 (released back in 2006!) I'll have to see if I can find that option. Thanks for the hint.

Re: When is pappl going to be good enough to replace cups?

2021-05-24 Thread PGNet Dev
Endless theoretical discussions ... Interesting, but _is_ there real-world, end-user doc available for installing and using papp-et-al on Fedora, today? A "do this now" for end users? TBH, I'm unclear (and no, I haven't gone digging ...) Here, I've got hundreds of networked printers. _Many_

Re: F35 Change: Drop the the "Allow SSH root login with password" option from the installer GUI (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2021-05-14 Thread PGNet Dev
On 5/14/21 2:05 AM, Juha Tuomala wrote: here, Sure. But this is devel list. Are developers themselves the target audience? :) Hopefully not. Is it defined somewhere? by 'here', I meant my company environment, not just this list. and, yes, 'developers themselves' -- again, "here" -- *are* a

Re: F34 pkg.spec rpmbuild OK on local dev; same spec fails @ my COPR. why?

2021-05-13 Thread PGNet Dev
hi, On 5/13/21 6:06 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: mock -r fedora-34-x86_64 --rebuild lua-resty-luajit2-git.HEAD-0.pgnd_20210513_212639.fc34.src.rpm also fails in my machine, %forgesetup -z 0 is where it fails hm. whereas a non-isolated, local rpmbuild works, as per my OP, a *mock* build here

F34 pkg.spec rpmbuild OK on local dev; same spec fails @ my COPR. why?

2021-05-13 Thread PGNet Dev
I've a package .spec, that uses forgemeta macros, that builds locally just fine on F34. Same spec @ COPR, F34 chroot, fails. Something's either missing on my end, or broken @COPR. Likely obvious pebkac, but I'm not seeing it. Any insights as to why the same spec, @COPR, is failing would be

Re: F35 Change: Drop the the "Allow SSH root login with password" option from the installer GUI (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2021-05-13 Thread PGNet Dev
On 5/13/21 10:48 AM, Juha Tuomala wrote: Virtual machine installation is hopefully a special use case and majority of installations are bare metal end users. hardly. here, for any given single bare-metal install, between cloud & local VMs, there are typically *many*/*frequent* VM installs --

Re: F35 Change: Drop the the "Allow SSH root login with password" option from the installer GUI (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2021-05-13 Thread PGNet Dev
On 5/13/21 10:09 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Not everyone is installing a public facing server. On my isolated, non-networked test instances I want to put up a short-lived VM with a root password of "123456" quickly and no user account, and this option lets me do that. this^^ is a _very_

Re: Intention to dropping the the "Allow SSH root login with password" option from the installer GUI

2021-05-01 Thread PGNet Dev
On 5/1/21 8:02 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, PGNet Dev said: my $0.02 leave the root via password option, but simply DISABLE it by default, rather than REMOVING it. That's what is going to happen - the openssh-server package will follow upstream default (PermitRootLogin without

Re: Intention to dropping the the "Allow SSH root login with password" option from the installer GUI

2021-05-01 Thread PGNet Dev
On 5/1/21 7:23 PM, patra...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/30/21 10:23 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: +1 in addition to, e.g., an _initial_ setup on a remote/headless box at a VPS. Ubuntu Server installer handles this in a very nice way by allowing to import SSH keys from a GitHub account given a

Re: Intention to dropping the the "Allow SSH root login with password" option from the installer GUI

2021-04-30 Thread PGNet Dev
On 4/30/21 10:23 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Because distributing SSH keys to temporary VMs is hard? Not everything is a long-lived machine connected to the internet. +1 in addition to, e.g., an _initial_ setup on a remote/headless box at a VPS.

OFFLIST Re: Call for testing: nginx 1.20.0 with permission changes on logs

2021-04-21 Thread PGNet Dev
Hi, OFFLIST as it's not directly pertinent to your specific distro pkgs. but, since you're packaging, fwiw, I take a very different approach than distro-pkgd atm, https://download.copr.fedorainfracloud.org/results/pgfed/nginx-mainline/fedora-33-x86_64/02142389-nginx/nginx.spec that puts

Re: Grub 2 protected packages

2021-04-12 Thread PGNet Dev
On 4/12/21 3:51 AM, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote: I dropped it by mistake when rebasing to 2.06, sorry about that. I've fixed it now in F33, F34 and Rawhide. i see rawhide has 'stable' already; and that F33/F34 are 'pending->testing'. thx! ___

Re: Grub 2 protected packages

2021-04-11 Thread PGNet Dev
Ordinarily, no. But in this case, since GRUB 2.06~rc1 is required to solve major critical vulnerabilities and it's very difficult to pull the patch set that fixes it (>115 patches!) backwards, GRUB got moved forward instead. GRUB 2.06~rc1 was pretty much released to release the patch set...

Re: Grub 2 protected packages

2021-04-11 Thread PGNet Dev
tangentially related ... distro update on f33 from grub 2.04-release -> 2.06-rc (re)breaks Xen boot on EFI. already reopened the original bug, but a question: is it normal/expected to push an *rc* (grub 2.06-rc, in this case), to 'supported' fedora (33) *release*? unreleased f34/rawhide I

Re: Grub 2 protected packages

2021-04-10 Thread PGNet Dev
If the /boot/loader/entries directory is exists, kernel-install will use it. systemd-boot cannot read configs from this directory. fyi, https://systemd.io/BOOT_LOADER_SPECIFICATION/#type-1-boot-loader-specification-entries https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-boot.html

Re: Xen support dead?

2021-02-05 Thread PGNet Dev
Actually, the buggy file (/etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen) belongs to the grub2 package, so the bug is assigned to a wrong package. Not that it matters, but I'd originally assigned it to grub. It was ignored there as well. I switched it to Xen after I was told in #irc to do so. Too much pushing

Re: Xen support dead?

2021-02-05 Thread PGNet Dev
On 2/5/21 8:13 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 6:31 AM PGNet Dev wrote: Hm. Can't manage to get a fix, a reply, or interest. Is Xen packaging/support abandoned for Fedora? No. But the maintainer of Xen in Fedora doesn't pay attention to the devel@ mailing list. You can see

Xen support dead?

2021-02-05 Thread PGNet Dev
Hm. Can't manage to get a fix, a reply, or interest. Is Xen packaging/support abandoned for Fedora? On 2/3/21 12:09 PM, PGNet Dev wrote: F33 on EFI + Xen delays 30+ seconds, sometimes hangs, on boot @ grub2 error, ... Loading Xen 4.14.1 ... error: ../../grub-core/fs/fshelp.c

F27->F33 + EFI + Xen boot error: "../../grub-core/fs/fshelp.c:257:file `/EFI/fedora/x86_64-efi/module2.mod' not found."

2021-02-03 Thread PGNet Dev
F33 on EFI + Xen delays 30+ seconds, sometimes hangs, on boot @ grub2 error, ... Loading Xen 4.14.1 ... error: ../../grub-core/fs/fshelp.c:257:file `/EFI/fedora/x86_64-efi/module2.mod' not found. Loading Linux 5.10.9-201.fc33.x86_64 ... Loading initial

Re: COMMERCIAL - Bosch - Architect

2021-01-27 Thread PGNet Dev
And you're spamming MY 'private mailbox' now? Who made you the consumer police? Now, get lost, troll. On 1/27/21 11:01 AM, Marius Schwarz wrote: Am 27.01.21 um 16:53 schrieb PGNet Dev: And that somehow justifies 'notifying the legal department' as a 1st response? Yeap, because he spammed

Re: COMMERCIAL - Bosch - Architect

2021-01-27 Thread PGNet Dev
On 1/27/21 10:44 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 03:32:33PM +, George Bastin wrote: I thought it was a public mailing list, I noted the subject was Commercial in the Header as stated on the Fedora Guidelines:

Re: pkg build @ COPR succeeds for F32 chroot, FAILS for F33. .spec issue, or problem in buildenv?

2021-01-16 Thread PGNet Dev
On 1/16/21 12:35 PM, PGNet Dev wrote: + /usr/lib/rpm/brp-strip /usr/bin/strip /usr/bin/strip: unable to copy file '/builddir/build/BUILDROOT/dhcpcd-9.4.0-0.pgnd_20210116_172904.fc33.x86_64/usr/local/dhcpcd/sbin/dhcpcd'; reason: Permission denied error: Bad exit status from /var

pkg build @ COPR succeeds for F32 chroot, FAILS for F33. .spec issue, or problem in buildenv?

2021-01-16 Thread PGNet Dev
 I'm building a pkg @ COPR, 'dhcpcd', https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/pgfed/dhcpcd/build/1885349/ for both F32 & F33 chroot targets. The F32 build succeeds, pkg installs & execs OK,

status of 'dhcpcd' pkg builds ?

2021-01-15 Thread PGNet Dev
dhcpcd client pkgs @Fedora https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/dhcpcd are years out of date, currently versioned at Fedora 33 dhcpcd-6.11.3-11.fc33 Fedora 32 dhcpcd-6.11.3-10.fc32 as per comment,

Re: unbound pkgs ?

2020-12-04 Thread PGNet Dev
On 12/4/20 3:08 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: otherwise, it's YA-trivial DIY build ... Thank you for looking into this. Since you already did the work, would you mind to propose a patch here, especially, if it's trivial? I'm asking abt non-response -- if the 'official' pkgs are maintained, or

unbound pkgs ?

2020-12-04 Thread PGNet Dev
unbound upstream release version is now a 1.13 Fedora packages https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/unbound are several versions behind. no response from maintainer in months, re updates, @ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1860887 anyone know what's up with unbound pkgs

Re: VirtualBox pkgs for F33?

2020-12-02 Thread PGNet Dev
On 12/2/20 8:13 AM, Artem Tim wrote: Vbox also available in RPM Fusion repo https://admin.rpmfusion.org/pkgdb/package/free/VirtualBox/ Works OK in f33. Didn't know about those -- thx. Visit to the rpmfusion site returns: "Firefox does not trust koji.rpmfusion.org because its

VirtualBox pkgs for F33?

2020-12-02 Thread PGNet Dev
Is there an available/alternative option for VirtualBox repo installs on F33? Currently, http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/rpm/fedora/ has only up to F32. This thread https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7=100418 is the latest info I've found; atm, no pkgs,

Re: Retiring ntp

2020-11-02 Thread PGNet Dev
On 11/2/20 9:22 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: Work migrated to Chrony a year or so ago. The only thing I use from ntp is the "ntpdate" tool. Everything else is chrony now. :) out of curiosity, what's lacking for your use case? ntpdate, here, was primarily for "set it now" interventions. that, at

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-10-19 Thread PGNet Dev
On 10/19/20 11:33 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: I guess those machines are more or less the cut-off point and slower machines are not worth keeping around. But that means that there still are a ton of BIOS machines worth keeping around. Note that even most sandy bridge machines do not support UEFI

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread PGNet Dev
On 9/30/20 2:34 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > And as I indicated earlier, most server installs have no use for > systemd-resolved. Yes it can be disabled, but we didn't go all the > way to virtual servers and containers to have to install things > we will never use. +1, & simply 'minimal' installs

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread PGNet Dev
anyone else more confused? On 9/30/20 1:26 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > And like it or not, all our legacy network configuration mechanisms > are deprecated and*will be removed eventually*. is plain-vanilla systemd-networkd -- no NM wrapper around it, no (in)direct dependency on systemd-resolved --

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread PGNet Dev
On 9/30/20 11:21 AM, Paul Wouters wrote: > It also allows those Destop users that want to use their own validating > resolvers on the end node to uninstall systemd-resolved. Would separating the package preserve existing setups across upgrades? It's not simply Enterprise/Server 'or' Desktops

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread PGNet Dev
On 9/30/20 9:50 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > You'll need to manually disable systemd-resolved after upgrade, restore > /etc/resolv.conf from the backup file that will be created during upgrade So the upgrade WILL ignore current F32 state -- systemd-resolved DISABLED + 'my' /etc/resolv.conf --

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread PGNet Dev
On 9/30/20 9:16 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > If you're not using NetworkManager, this change has _zero_ impact. perfect. clearly, i've missed or lost the obviousness of that incredibly useful tidbit in this novella :-/ thx! ___ devel mailing list --

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread PGNet Dev
Reading along, it's _at_best_ unclear what the eventual 'resolution' of this^ is. What _is_ clear is that there's significant disagreement -- which, unfortunately, has at times here become nasty & personal -- about needed vs planned functionality, and, of late, regulatory compliance. And,

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-28 Thread PGNet Dev
On 9/28/20 11:21 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > I would have expected NetworkManager to handle this kind of setup just fine.  > What went wrong? getting offtopic, but ... a laundry list. including broken routes, missed existing unit-file interface dependencies particularly once bridges get

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-28 Thread PGNet Dev
On 9/28/20 11:03 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > I have the strong suspicion that the same people who are > able to deploy working DNSSEC client side and are educated enough in > DNSSEC to know what that even means are also capable of replacing that > one symlink in /etc. i'll start with: i'm

regression: Xen boot entries ask for non-exisiting grub2 module2.mod

2020-09-11 Thread PGNet Dev
on grep PRETTY /etc/os-release PRETTY_NAME="Fedora 32 (Server Edition)" uname -rm 5.8.7-200.fc32.x86_64 x86_64 with rpm -qa | grep xen xen-4.13.1-4.fc32.x86_64 xen-hypervisor-4.13.1-4.fc32.x86_64

Re: distro perl's ldflags='... -Wl,-z,relro ...' causing module build errors. bug in distro perl flags? or module code?

2020-08-07 Thread PGNet Dev
On 8/7/20 5:57 AM, Petr Pisar wrote: > I think the build script does not use Perl configuration consistently. It uses > ldflags value for the linker flags, but it does not use ld value for the > linker > exectable: ... > $ perl -MConfig -E 'say $Config{ldflags}' > -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,--as-needed

distro perl's ldflags='... -Wl,-z,relro ...' causing module build errors. bug in distro perl flags? or module code?

2020-08-06 Thread PGNet Dev
i'm attempting to build a MaxMind GeopIP2 DB reader perl module MaxMind::DB::Reader::XS ( https://metacpan.org/pod/MaxMind::DB::Reader::XS ) on Fedora 32. the build fails on F32 with Errors: "/usr/bin/ld: unrecognized option '-Wl,-z,relro'" & "Unsupported

Re: Mock package is installed, but 'mock' group is missing; what pkg creates the group?

2020-07-13 Thread PGNet Dev
On 7/13/20 3:20 PM, Jerry James wrote: > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:15 PM PGNet Dev wrote: >> i can easily manually create the group, but ... this suggests something's >> missing/broken in my install; I'd like to find/fix it. >> >> if not 'mock' what pkg (re)ins

Mock package is installed, but 'mock' group is missing; what pkg creates the group?

2020-07-13 Thread PGNet Dev
i've installed a minimal F32 instance building up the rpmbuild env, 'mock' pkg is installed rpm -qa | grep mock mock-core-configs-32.6-1.fc32.noarch mock-2.3-1.fc32.noarch there's _no_ expected 'mock' group installed getent group mock

Re: incorrect docs for forge macro extension, when using 'unknown' scm source (e.g., git.kernel.org) ?

2020-07-10 Thread PGNet Dev
On 7/10/20 1:26 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le jeudi 09 juillet 2020 à 09:40 -0700, PGNet Dev a écrit : I'm working on a spec, pulling source with forgemeta/scm With known/supported scm sources (e.g., github), it works as expected, with no issues. involves writing the lua equivalent

incorrect docs for forge macro extension, when using 'unknown' scm source (e.g., git.kernel.org) ?

2020-07-09 Thread PGNet Dev
I'm working on a spec, pulling source with forgemeta/scm With known/supported scm sources (e.g., github), it works as expected, with no issues. Atm, I'm trying to pull from a different source, git.kernel.org with this 'ofono-test.spec'

Re: Can we do away with release and changelog bumping?

2020-07-06 Thread PGNet Dev
On 7/6/20 8:27 AM, Björn Persson wrote: > Florian Weimer wrote: >> * Björn Persson: >> >>> The macro could be defined like this for example: >>> >>>%buildtag .%(date +%%s) >> >> Using time for synchronization is always a bit iffy. > > Well, if somebody manages to build a package twice within

Re: mock build results for same .spec build different for local & online/COPR builds -- local OK, @copr FAILS ?

2020-07-03 Thread PGNet Dev
On 7/3/20 2:07 PM, PGNet Dev wrote: > from cmd line, > > copr-cli edit-chroot --packages git > > looks like it should work as well and it does, nicely: ==> 14:26:43 Build 1517366: succeeded ___ devel mai

Re: mock build results for same .spec build different for local & online/COPR builds -- local OK, @copr FAILS ?

2020-07-03 Thread PGNet Dev
On 7/3/20 8:24 AM, PGNet Dev wrote: > git _was_ trivially added to the local mock chroot, for its use, with obvious > success, in the local mock build of the spec. > > COPR uses mock. > > So far, I have not seen how that's to be similarly done for the COPR env. > > Is i

Re: use of 'date' in rpm .spec %define concats add'l str chars?

2020-07-03 Thread PGNet Dev
On 7/3/20 11:22 AM, Paul Howarth wrote: > Remember ugh. well, i certainly will NOW! ;-) > that '%' introduces a macro expansion, so if that's not what > you want, you should escape the '%' as '%%': > > %define _build_timestamp %( date +%%Y%%m%%d_%%H%%M%%S ) works perfectly. thx!

use of 'date' in rpm .spec %define concats add'l str chars?

2020-07-03 Thread PGNet Dev
on F32, date +FORMAT, date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S returns 20200703_105351 as expected. in an rpm .spec, if I define %define _build_timestamp %( date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S ) and _use_ %{_build_timestamp) _anywhere_ else in the spec, at exec of any of

Re: mock build results for same .spec build different for local & online/COPR builds -- local OK, @copr FAILS ?

2020-07-03 Thread PGNet Dev
hi, > ... All the above^ is an interesting/informative read. On 7/3/20 2:31 AM, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: > The requester is clearly attempting the second approach. Well, not explicitly. I'm not requesting any _specific_ approach. The goal is simply to 'build it here (locally, via

mock build results for same .spec build different for local & online/COPR builds -- local OK, @copr FAILS ?

2020-07-02 Thread PGNet Dev
(i'd been discussing this issue with praiskup @ copr-devel/buildsys; he suggested that I bring it here ...) This spec https://download.copr.fedorainfracloud.org/results/pgfed/nginx-mainline/fedora-32-x86_64/01516680-nginx/nginx.spec which uses forgemeta to pull multiple SCM sources,

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread PGNet Dev
On 6/30/20 11:38 AM, Tom Seewald wrote: > The primary areas of concern I have about Fedora dropping grub2 and BIOS boot > support are: nicely summarized. > 4. Support documentation for sd-boot > > Would this result in changes to how users access the boot menu, select a boot > entry, or edit

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread PGNet Dev
On 6/30/20 8:24 AM, nick...@gmail.com wrote: > I've never tried UEFI in a VM, and I have no idea how stable it is. IME, works well in a variety of hypervisors; atm, my 'exploration' of Fedora32 is running solely in VirtualBox VMs ... booted UEFI. That said, their a lots of providers that have

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread PGNet Dev
On 6/30/20 8:07 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: >>> I think there are many people still install OS in the legacy mode, but >>> I don't really have numbers. I've just started working with Fedora 32 ~ a week ago. Looking at it as a migration option, for imo a lot of _good_ reasons, from current

Re: Fwd: %forgemeta support for `git` tasks in checked-out code?

2020-06-26 Thread PGNet Dev
On 6/26/20 9:35 AM, PGNet Dev wrote: > that said, _can_ such bash-ism be used in "getting" a forge commit value? nm, pebkac! %( git ls-remote %{forgeurl1} | grep HEAD | awk '{print $1}' ) seems to work. sry 4 the noise. ___ devel

Re: Fwd: %forgemeta support for `git` tasks in checked-out code?

2020-06-26 Thread PGNet Dev
while 'exploring' some of the limits of forge syntax/usage, trying to see if/how bash expansion might work, i find that: neither %global forgeurl1 https://github.com/openresty/headers-more-nginx-module %global commit1 git ls-remote %{forgeurl1} | grep HEAD | awk '{print $1}' nor

Re: Fwd: %forgemeta support for `git` tasks in checked-out code?

2020-06-26 Thread PGNet Dev
hi, On 6/25/20 11:58 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > forgemeta works in release mode, with release archives published over > http(s). It does not talk at all to source projects using the git > protocol (and that is intentional, since a lot ot things tooling-side > do not talk the git protocol and