Java programmers are having to come to terms with this. Python
programmers sort of have, except that BDFL has failed to accept
the correct end point and still likes loops. Scala has done it
all wrong. (Further opinions available on request :-)
Could you provide some sample Scala code to
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 18:20:39 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Well put.
My brain still thinks in terms of loops.
Sadly, mine also... ;-P
On Tuesday, 31 March 2015 at 02:05:05 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
On 3/30/15 12:29 AM, Jonathan M Davis via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 14:19:46 Walter Bright via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
Thank you. I need to learn std.algorithm better.
Don't we all.
On 3/31/15 1:19 AM, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
On Tuesday, 31 March 2015 at 02:05:05 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 3/30/15 12:29 AM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 14:19:46 Walter Bright via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
Thank you. I need to
On Tuesday, 31 March 2015 at 08:35:47 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
I've offered a number of times to write a slides-like tutorial
if anyone wants to do the slides logic. Nobody came about.
Probably nobody will, so I'll have to do it myself.
What do you mean by slides logic? What are you
Then we need more examples and tutorials. -- Andrei
how are these to appear?
I've offered a number of times to write a slides-like tutorial
if anyone wants to do the slides logic. Nobody came about.
Probably nobody will, so I'll have to do it myself.
Sorry for my denseness, but what is
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 01:35:47 -0700, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
We need to do better at empowering people.
it's fairly easy: just pay them for the tasks.
most people using D to solve *their* task at hand, and if they see
something wrong, they report it as an issue (sometimes) and go on with
Umm that was me... I don't feel confident enough to write at a
Phobos standard yet and might be a little while before I am
experienced enough. But I see your point.
Fastest way to get better is to submit PRs and get reviewed.
On 3/31/15 3:40 AM, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
Then we need more examples and tutorials. -- Andrei
how are these to appear?
I've offered a number of times to write a slides-like tutorial if
anyone wants to do the slides logic. Nobody came about. Probably
nobody will, so I'll have to do it myself.
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 14:19:46 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
Thank you. I need to learn std.algorithm better.
Don't we all. Part of the problem with std.algorithm is its power. It's
frequently the case that you think that something isn't there when it's
either there
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 22:07:40 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
should we add a link to the wiki and ask author if we could
mirror there ?
This section on wiki looks like it could with a bit of
fleshing out!
http://wiki.dlang.org/Coming_From/Python
I just seen what you did in the wiki,
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 00:20:11 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
https://www.quora.com/Why-didnt-D-language-become-mainstream-comparing-to-Golang
Post this on reddit.
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 03:26:14 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 16:32:32 UTC, Idan Arye wrote:
Computer science is all about tradeoffs. I used to love Ruby,
but then a Rails project got out of hand... Nowadays I use it
mainly as a bash replacement - Hundredfolds more
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 19:03:06 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 15:34:35 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
wrote:
Actually, there is quite a large overlap if you look beyond
the syntax. Dart is completely unexciting, but I also find it
very productive when used with the IDE.
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 00:29:46 -0700, Jonathan M Davis via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 14:19:46 Walter Bright via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
Thank you. I need to learn std.algorithm better.
Don't we all. Part of the problem with std.algorithm is its power.
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 08:53:15 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
wrote:
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 19:03:06 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 15:34:35 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
wrote:
Actually, there is quite a large overlap if you look beyond
the syntax. Dart is completely
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 07:45:50 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 03:26:14 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 16:32:32 UTC, Idan Arye wrote:
Computer science is all about tradeoffs. I used to love Ruby,
but then a Rails project got out of hand... Nowadays
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 07:29:56 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 14:19:46 Walter Bright via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
Thank you. I need to learn std.algorithm better.
Don't we all. Part of the problem with std.algorithm is its
power. It's
frequently the case
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 08:53:15 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
wrote:
same theme. I pick them based on what they+ecosystem is good
at, not the language by itself. So basically, you have to be
best at one particular application area to do well. Go is
aiming to have a good runtime for building
Ola Fosheim Grøstad:
So, it will just fade way in the sea of JavaScript wannabe
replacements.
Maybe, but Google is using it for Google Ads. Which is their
primary business? Still, a bit early to say what happens next.
Perhaps next some kind of blend of Typescript and Dart will
become part
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 10:04:11 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Very dark as Angular team decided to look for Typescript
instead[0].
It isn't very dark though, they cooperate with MS to build
atscript features into Typescript instead. The two dialect were
always meant to be merged at some
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 10:45:50 UTC, bearophile wrote:
Ola Fosheim Grøstad:
So, it will just fade way in the sea of JavaScript wannabe
replacements.
Maybe, but Google is using it for Google Ads. Which is their
primary business? Still, a bit early to say what happens next.
Perhaps
On 3/30/2015 12:29 AM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 14:19:46 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
Thank you. I need to learn std.algorithm better.
Don't we all. Part of the problem with std.algorithm is its power. It's
frequently
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 12:04:22 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 07:29:56 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 14:19:46 Walter Bright via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
Thank you. I need to learn std.algorithm better.
Don't we all. Part of the
On 3/30/2015 11:53 AM, weaselcat wrote:
speaking of optimization, are there any guarantees(documented?) on the kind of
optimizations you should expect from range programming in D(i.e, function
chaining) similar to Haskell's stream fusion?
No. It's a QoI issue.
On 3/30/2015 11:41 AM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
Java programmers are having to come to terms with this. Python
programmers sort of have, except that BDFL has failed to accept the
correct end point and still likes loops. Scala has done it all wrong.
(Further opinions
On Mon, 2015-03-30 at 11:20 -0700, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
[…]
Even Andrei, who wrote most of std.algorithm, posted here recently
how he was
surprised at how powerful it was.
An indicator of plagiarism? ;-)
--
Russel.
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 18:41:17 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Mon, 2015-03-30 at 11:19 -0700, Walter Bright via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
[…]
My brain still thinks in terms of loops.
The excellent influence of functional programming on imperative
programming is implicit iteration and
On Mon, 2015-03-30 at 11:19 -0700, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
[…]
My brain still thinks in terms of loops.
The excellent influence of functional programming on imperative
programming is implicit iteration and higher-order functions.
Any explicit for/while loop in a
On 3/30/15 12:29 AM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 14:19:46 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
Thank you. I need to learn std.algorithm better.
Don't we all. Part of the problem with std.algorithm is its power. It's
frequently the
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 16:32:32 UTC, Idan Arye wrote:
Computer science is all about tradeoffs. I used to love Ruby,
but then a Rails project got out of hand... Nowadays I use it
mainly as a bash replacement - Hundredfolds more expressive,
only a tiny tiny bit syntax overhead, and for
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 21:43:21 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 3/28/2015 5:34 PM, ketmar wrote:
on the other side of the spectrum was Chuck Moore, for
example, who
imagines modern computers filled with many cheap and average
RISC
processors, and using parallel multiprocessor execution to
On Thursday, 26 March 2015 at 08:44:20 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote:
I wrote the article in a rush last night (girlfriend calling me
to bed) and as a result it has a few spelling/grammar errors
which I've hopefully corrected.
The article is a total rant about Go after using it over the
last
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 08:37:54 UTC, Idan Arye wrote:
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 18:47:04 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 3/28/2015 3:20 AM, Jonathan M Davis via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
Personally, I'm not sure that much is gained in pitting Go
against D
precisely because they're so
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 00:20:11 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
https://www.quora.com/Why-didnt-D-language-become-mainstream-comparing-to-Golang
fwiw
Nice, well-written answer, enjoyed reading it.
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 14:33:14 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 12:52 +0100, Sönke Ludwig via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
[…]
You can access TLS from an event callback just as easy as from
a fiber.
[…]
TLS is the evil here. Anyone working with TLS is either writing
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 03:47:45 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Monday, 30 March 2015 at 00:20:11 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
https://www.quora.com/Why-didnt-D-language-become-mainstream-comparing-to-Golang
fwiw
Nice, well-written answer, enjoyed reading it.
Thank you.
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 14:43:14 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
On 3/28/2015 5:34 PM, ketmar wrote:
on the other side of the spectrum was Chuck Moore, for example, who
imagines modern computers filled with many cheap and average RISC
processors, and using parallel multiprocessor execution to achieve
On 3/29/15 4:43 AM, Marc =?UTF-8?B?U2Now7x0eiI=?= schue...@gmx.net
wrote:
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 08:37:54 UTC, Idan Arye wrote:
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 18:47:04 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 3/28/2015 3:20 AM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
Personally, I'm not
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 12:21:01 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
wrote:
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 02:15:38 UTC, cym13 wrote:
Moreover, it is possible to reach a good expressiveness (maybe
not as good as python, but that's the whole goal of python so
there's no shame in not matching it).
There
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 02:15:38 UTC, cym13 wrote:
Moreover, it is possible to reach a good expressiveness (maybe
not as good as python, but that's the whole goal of python so
there's no shame in not matching it).
There are many alternatives to Python. Like Nim or Dart:
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 15:57:18 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
On 3/29/15 4:43 AM, Marc =?UTF-8?B?U2Now7x0eiI=?=
schue...@gmx.net wrote:
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 08:37:54 UTC, Idan Arye wrote:
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 18:47:04 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 3/28/2015 3:20 AM,
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 18:47:04 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 3/28/2015 3:20 AM, Jonathan M Davis via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
Personally, I'm not sure that much is gained in pitting Go
against D
precisely because they're so different that they're likely to
appeal to
completely
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 02:15:38 UTC, cym13 wrote:
Urr As an active Python developer, I find that one pretty
harsh. It's not that we need to enforce good style, it's that
we take good style as granted and choose to lighten it
consequently.
On the contrary I think that D has
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 19:09:52 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 02:15:38 UTC, cym13 wrote:
Urr As an active Python developer, I find that one pretty
harsh. It's not that we need to enforce good style, it's that
we take good style as granted and choose to lighten
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 15:34:35 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
wrote:
Actually, there is quite a large overlap if you look beyond the
syntax. Dart is completely unexciting, but I also find it very
productive when used with the IDE.
Glad to hear this - I haven't yet got very far with Dart, but
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 19:09:52 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
As an active Python developer, what would you add to or change
about the following:
http://bitbashing.io/2015/01/26/d-is-like-native-python.html
I like this article very much. IMO python's generators and list
comprehensions are
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 19:44:01 UTC, cym13 wrote:
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 19:09:52 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
As an active Python developer, what would you add to or change
about the following:
http://bitbashing.io/2015/01/26/d-is-like-native-python.html
I like this article very
On 3/29/2015 12:09 PM, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
As an active Python developer, what would you add to or change about the
following:
http://bitbashing.io/2015/01/26/d-is-like-native-python.html
Has someone reddit-ized it?
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 21:45:23 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 3/29/2015 12:09 PM, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
As an active Python developer, what would you add to or change
about the following:
http://bitbashing.io/2015/01/26/d-is-like-native-python.html
Has someone reddit-ized it?
It seems
On 3/29/2015 2:46 PM, cym13 wrote:
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 21:45:23 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 3/29/2015 12:09 PM, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
As an active Python developer, what would you add to or change about the
following:
http://bitbashing.io/2015/01/26/d-is-like-native-python.html
Has
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 21:06:28 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 19:44:01 UTC, cym13 wrote:
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 19:09:52 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
As an active Python developer, what would you add to or
change about the following:
should we add a link to the wiki and ask author if we could
mirror there ?
This section on wiki looks like it could with a bit of
fleshing out!
http://wiki.dlang.org/Coming_From/Python
I just seen what you did in the wiki, that's great! I don't
have much time to invest tonight but I'll
On 3/27/2015 12:34 PM, w0rp wrote:
Sean Parent's advice for no raw loops comes to mind.
https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/GoingNative/2013/Cpp-Seasoning With that rule,
basically a one-line body for foreach becomes acceptable.
This really is a great video. Which leads me to wonder why
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 18:39:34 +, Russel Winder via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
yet current CPUs are still the same as 50 years before, that is the
problem. ;-)
I'd suggest that a Intel x86_64 of 2015 bears only a passing
relationship to an IBM 360 of the 1960s.
but core principles are
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 19:16:32 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
If you write your software to fit a particular platform,
including
hardware features, then you are writing an operating system
dedicated
to that one specific platform and no other.
Yes and I believe writing dedicated
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:17:23 +, Russel Winder via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
It is a pity that D is not pitching as a Python replacement.
D can't: it doesn't dumb enough to attract people that requires compiler
enforcements on whitespace to correctly format their code.
signature.asc
Am 28.03.2015 um 19:51 schrieb Walter Bright:
On 3/28/2015 8:41 AM, Sönke Ludwig wrote:
Am 28.03.2015 um 15:33 schrieb Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d-announce:
TLS is the evil here. Anyone working with TLS is either writing an
operating system or doing it wrong.
As long as we are talking
On 3/28/2015 3:20 AM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
Personally, I'm not sure that much is gained in pitting Go against D
precisely because they're so different that they're likely to appeal to
completely different sets of people.
I also do not regard Go as a competitor to
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 18:47:04 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 3/28/2015 3:20 AM, Jonathan M Davis via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
Personally, I'm not sure that much is gained in pitting Go
against D
precisely because they're so different that they're likely to
appeal to
completely
On 3/28/2015 8:41 AM, Sönke Ludwig wrote:
Am 28.03.2015 um 15:33 schrieb Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d-announce:
TLS is the evil here. Anyone working with TLS is either writing an
operating system or doing it wrong.
As long as we are talking about a closed system that works exclusively on
On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 18:55 +, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
[…]
I don't think it is that simple. From the purist academical
parallelism POV - most likely. In practice it often can be quite
the contrary, TLS is your best friend (depending on how efficient
platfrom
On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 18:51 +, weaselcat via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 18:47:04 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 3/28/2015 3:20 AM, Jonathan M Davis via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
Personally, I'm not sure that much is gained in pitting Go
against D
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 20:35:07 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 3/27/2015 12:34 PM, w0rp wrote:
Sean Parent's advice for no raw loops comes to mind.
https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/GoingNative/2013/Cpp-Seasoning
With that rule,
basically a one-line body for foreach becomes acceptable.
Am 28.03.2015 um 21:51 schrieb Walter Bright:
On 3/28/2015 1:32 PM, Sönke Ludwig wrote:
I/O is crucial of course, but there are also a lot of other important and
inherently impure things such as message passing.
If the message channel is passed as a parameter to the droutine, then
the
On 3/28/2015 3:24 PM, Sönke Ludwig wrote:
If you ask me, they are very practical as they are - in fact much more practical
than if they could move between threads, not just because of purity or not. I'm
for example heavily using vibe.d's tasks for all kinds of UI, 3D graphics, sound
and physics
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 14:33:14 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 12:52 +0100, Sönke Ludwig via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
[…]
You can access TLS from an event callback just as easy as from
a fiber.
[…]
TLS is the evil here. Anyone working with TLS is either writing
On 3/28/2015 2:01 PM, Peter Alexander wrote:
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 20:35:07 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 3/27/2015 12:34 PM, w0rp wrote:
Sean Parent's advice for no raw loops comes to mind.
https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/GoingNative/2013/Cpp-Seasoning With that rule,
basically a
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 18:41:04 +, weaselcat wrote:
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 17:57:35 UTC, ketmar wrote:
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 14:28:00 +, Russel Winder via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
It could be argued that it is all just co-routines underneath,
but I think that would be missing
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 02:15:38 +, cym13 wrote:
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 00:24:36 UTC, ketmar wrote:
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:17:23 +, Russel Winder via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
It is a pity that D is not pitching as a Python replacement.
D can't: it doesn't dumb enough to
On 3/28/2015 1:32 PM, Sönke Ludwig wrote:
I/O is crucial of course, but there are also a lot of other important and
inherently impure things such as message passing.
If the message channel is passed as a parameter to the droutine, then the
droutine can still be pure.
I think such a
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 02:31:37 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
The data points we have suggest that the scarcity of D
programmers is an imaginary problem, because enterprises just
hire good people and they pick it up (ask Don at Sociomantic or
Dicebot for example). Modern business has a
Am 28.03.2015 um 10:17 schrieb Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?=
ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com:
On Friday, 27 March 2015 at 16:48:26 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote:
1. No stack.
That reduces the memory footprint, but doesn't reduce latency.
It removes hard to spot dependencies on thread
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 13:27:55 +, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
In essence, you should ideally be able to break a task into all it's
independent parts and run them in parallel (i.e.. futures, events etc).
Preferably batch them to get better performance, and sort them based on
when they have
On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 11:16 +, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
[…]
hm. yes, that was coroutines on steroids.
But that's the point isn't it:
1. Processes are too heavyweight, invent threads.
2. We have masses of cores, let's map threads to cores via the kernel.
3. Processes and
On Fri, 2015-03-27 at 22:48 +, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
[…]
the whole userspace threads concept is a reimplementation of
kernel
threads and sheduling. ;-)
And kernel threads are a reimplementation of user space threads.
--
Russel.
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 11:02:23 +, Russel Winder via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
On Fri, 2015-03-27 at 22:48 +, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
[â¦]
the whole userspace threads concept is a reimplementation of kernel
threads and sheduling. ;-)
And kernel threads are a
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 13:27:56 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad
wrote:
On Friday, 27 March 2015 at 22:32:32 UTC, ketmar wrote:
but it is broken! the whole point of async i/o servers is that
Note: I presume that you meant servers and no OS-level async i/o
(the limitations of unix select() is
On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 13:27 +, via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
[…]
Nah. Cooperative multitasking is a sorry excuse that belongs to
the 80s. This should be as transparent as possible. You cannot
insert yield into an external library.
1960s.
Software developers have spent 50+ years
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 11:52:34 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote:
You can access TLS from an event callback just as easy as from
a fiber.
Yes, but it is much easier to verify that you don't hold onto
references to TLS if get rid of arbitrary call stacks when moving
to a new thread.
And why
On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 12:58 +, Atila Neves via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
[…]
It does, and it should. In fact, I'd consider it massive selling
point for D if it were; you want easy Go-like concurrency? D has
that too. Right now, it's available easily for writing servers:
just use
On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 12:52 +0100, Sönke Ludwig via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
[…]
You can access TLS from an event callback just as easy as from a
fiber.
[…]
TLS is the evil here. Anyone working with TLS is either writing an
operating system or doing it wrong.
--
Russel.
On Friday, 27 March 2015 at 04:24:52 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 3/26/2015 7:06 PM, weaselcat wrote:
vibe has (experimental?) green threads, doesn't it?
I don't keep up with vibe, so I may be wrong.
I don't know, but if it does have good 'uns they should be
moved into Phobos!
It does, and
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 13:52:54 UTC, ketmar wrote:
then you have to switch to some functional language, preferably
one that
does cps transformations in the compiler. as you told somewhere
else, D
is too broad to be restricted to this.
Fibers is really not a system level thing. So I
Am 28.03.2015 um 13:32 schrieb Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?=
ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com:
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 11:52:34 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote:
You can access TLS from an event callback just as easy as from a fiber.
Yes, but it is much easier to verify that you don't
Am 28.03.2015 um 15:33 schrieb Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d-announce:
On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 12:52 +0100, Sönke Ludwig via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
[…]
You can access TLS from an event callback just as easy as from a
fiber.
[…]
TLS is the evil here. Anyone working with TLS is either
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 14:28:00 +, Russel Winder via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
It could be argued that it is all just co-routines underneath, but I
think that would be missing the point that we have 55 years more
experience of doing these things since that single processor operating
On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 17:57 +, ketmar via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 14:28:00 +, Russel Winder via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
It could be argued that it is all just co-routines underneath, but
I
think that would be missing the point that we have 55
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 17:57:35 UTC, ketmar wrote:
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 14:28:00 +, Russel Winder via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
It could be argued that it is all just co-routines underneath,
but I
think that would be missing the point that we have 55 years
more
experience of
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 18:39:47 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 17:57 +, ketmar via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 14:28:00 +, Russel Winder via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
It could be argued that it is all just co-routines
underneath, but
On Friday, 27 March 2015 at 16:48:26 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote:
1. No stack.
That reduces the memory footprint, but doesn't reduce latency.
It removes hard to spot dependencies on thread local storage.
2. Batching.
Can you elaborate?
Using fibers you deal with a single unit. Using events
On Friday, March 27, 2015 16:03:01 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
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On 3/27/2015 2:47 PM, weaselcat wrote:
On Friday, 27 March 2015 at 20:58:44 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 3/27/2015 1:35 PM, weaselcat wrote:
there's a difference between minimalism and blatantly not adopting
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 02:31:37 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
Fair points that I wouldn't argue with (although I think
predicting when one will finish something entirely new is a
mugs game - another reason to favour prototyping and rapid
iteration when possible).
Yet you have to if you
On Friday, 27 March 2015 at 16:44:50 UTC, Chris wrote:
I'd say Go fans are worse in this respect (yes, I know,
probably not all of them). People in the D community are here,
But that is just because there is more Go fans... ;)
On Friday, 27 March 2015 at 01:47:57 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
The one difference was Go's support for green threads. There's
no technical reason why D can't have green threads, it's just
that nobody has written the library code to do it.
Go can move stacks and extend them.
Go is closer to
On Friday, 27 March 2015 at 04:05:30 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote:
Programming is - for now - still a human activity, and what is
important in human activities may not always be measured, and
what may be easily measured is not always important. That
doesn't mean one should throw away the profiler
On 3/26/2015 11:40 PM, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?=
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Go can move stacks and extend them.
That has no value on 64 bit systems, and is not a language issue (it's an
implementation issue).
Go is closer to having a low latency GC.
I.e. it
On 3/27/2015 2:57 AM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
I think the way go handles interfaces and their composition would
require a few tricks in D and C++, but I am sure it can be done.
Interfaces can be done with D templates. It'll be compile time polymorphism
rather than run
On Friday, 27 March 2015 at 09:44:27 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 3/27/2015 1:41 AM, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?=
ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, 27 March 2015 at 08:25:26 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
The MMU makes it pointless. The virtual address space allows
for 4
On Fri, 2015-03-27 at 03:11 -0700, Walter Bright via
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On 3/27/2015 2:57 AM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
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However, I cannot see this happening purely on volunteer,
hobbyist resource. We need to find an organization or three willing to
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