Re: [PSES] Lithium Ion batteries - capacity measurement

2018-07-30 Thread John Woodgate
Go to: http://www.iec.ch/dyn/www/f?p=103:22:0FSP_ORG_ID:1410 and look at the standards from IEC SC21 A. You don't give enough data to be sure which standard you want.  Note that by clicking on the standard number you can see an abstract and a preview. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions

Re: [PSES] Dips and interruptions when connected to UPS

2018-07-24 Thread John Woodgate
The manufacturer cannot know that the device will be permanently connected to a UPS unless the device and UPS are sold together as a 'system'.  Only in that case might an exemption be justified, but it would have to be justified and documented in the EMC Assessment of the syst

Re: [PSES] Product Standards for Aircon Systems

2018-07-19 Thread John Woodgate
me form CEN in Europe and ISO internationally. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-07-19 15:16, Vincent Lee wrote: Hi John Good afternoon, The countries of interest for Aircon Systems are: 1) USA 2) EU 3) South East Asia cou

Re: [PSES] Product Standards for Aircon Systems

2018-07-18 Thread John Woodgate
It helps if you say which countries you are interested in. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-07-18 23:22, Vincent Lee wrote: Hi all, Good afternoon, 1) May I know what are some of the common product safety standards for

Re: [PSES] EN 55035/35

2018-07-18 Thread John Woodgate
Yes, there are big rooms that will accommodate large vehicles or some large but movable objects, but not everything is movable. As I said, it would be a very special case, but it it strictly an answer to the question. I certainly agree that there are other possibilities. John Woodgate OOO-Own

Re: [PSES] EN 55035/35

2018-07-18 Thread John Woodgate
Of course, but any in-situ immunity test would be a very special (and probably very costly) case, for which a dispensation for specific frequencies and/or times of use might be granted. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018

Re: [PSES] EN 55035/35

2018-07-18 Thread John Woodgate
If you could set up a reasonable test scheme, you could use EN 55035 for in-situ. Listings in the OJ are held up for legal reasons; the situation is quite complex but has recently been discussed in this forum. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk

Re: [PSES] Safety design of shutter opening

2018-07-18 Thread John Woodgate
Obviously, but it's a 'two-fault' condition. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-07-18 00:48, Scott Xe wrote: John, Thanks for your advice!  Normally accessibility of live parts is checked by the appl

Re: [PSES] Safety design of shutter opening

2018-07-17 Thread John Woodgate
. One example I have has only 12 mm, but the socket is not central in the face of the enclosure so the distance on the other side is greater. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-07-17 22:26, Ted Eckert wrote: Would the

Re: [PSES] Safety design of shutter opening

2018-07-17 Thread John Woodgate
You have misunderstood. The effect occurs with extension cables, usually fitted with four sockets in a line. It does not occur with wall sockets, even surface-mounted, because the sockets are large enough to prevent it. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates

Re: [PSES] Safety design of shutter opening

2018-07-17 Thread John Woodgate
Well, strictly, an electric shock incident would be a 'two-fault' situation - plug reversed AND conducting object inserted into the live socket. In general, two-fault situations are almost impossible to avoid but luckily also occur very rarely. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J

Re: [PSES] Safety design of shutter opening

2018-07-16 Thread John Woodgate
I expect they are quite satisfied by the British approvals. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-07-16 17:48, Scott Xe wrote: Dear Johns, Thanks for advice abt other countries using 13A plugs & sockets!  Do they req

Re: [PSES] Safety design of shutter opening

2018-07-15 Thread John Woodgate
GPS applies to anything; that's why is called 'General...'. Anything can fall within more than one Directive, in fact allelectrical products fall within both LVD and EMCD, as well as GPSD. BS 136X connectors are used outside the UK; the EU is not relevant to that. John W

Re: [PSES] Safety design of shutter opening

2018-07-15 Thread John Woodgate
marketing of such a device might violate the GPS Directive in Europe, although that is not certain because unshuttered sockets are legal in some EU/EFTA countries. Since it  only affects those countries that use the BS136X system, the appropriate regulatory action may be problematical. John Woodgate

Re: [PSES] EMCD harmonised standard references out of date standards

2018-07-13 Thread John Woodgate
on is allowing a deadline of a year, which is realistic, but even that might be difficult to achieve. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-07-13 07:55, James Pawson (U3C) wrote: John et al, I’ve had an update from a contact a

Re: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 066-2 & the RED

2018-07-10 Thread John Woodgate
Note the change of title and the switch from part 2 of a multi-part standard (302 066-2) to a single standard (302 066). John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-07-10 02:20, Larry K. Stillings wrote: Hi Chet, ETSI did

Re: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 066-2 & the RED

2018-07-09 Thread John Woodgate
This standard is ten years old. A lot has happened since then, and the document is clearly very minimal. I suggest you enquire on the ETSI web site about any plans to update or replace the standard. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex

Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-06 Thread John Woodgate
It isn't appropriate to refer to the ICNIRP publications. The correct reference (for Europe) is to EN 50527-1 and EN 50527-2-1. Unfortunately, these are not available free of charge. However, they are available at reasonable prices (in English) at https://www.evs.ee/shop. John Woodgat

Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread John Woodgate
Sounds a bit fishy to me. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-07-05 22:43, John Allen wrote: In other words, become an "aquaphibian"/(or something like that :) )/ – “back to the Future” J -Original Message

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread John Woodgate
be regarded as horrifying now.  If that reduced my intellectual capacity, much is explained.:-P John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-07-05 20:12, John Woodgate wrote: Yes, there are very big 'safety factors' built int

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread John Woodgate
, insomnia, general malaise) were very likely much more due to poor working conditions and job interest, but the unions are very powerful. You can't subject people to increasingly strong fields until they show a reaction, it would be highly unethical. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread John Woodgate
'safety factors' because research is ethically challenging, and adverse health effects are widely attributed to causes other than the real ones. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-07-05 15:32, McCallum, Andy w

Re: [PSES] EN62311 - Human Exposure to Electromagnetic Fields

2018-07-05 Thread John Woodgate
It applies to any LVD product, but there is a flow chart that shows that a simple assessment is possible if the product has no reasonable likelihood of producing sufficiently strong EMF. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018

Re: [PSES] EMCD harmonised standard references out of date standards

2018-07-02 Thread John Woodgate
450> John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-07-02 20:22, James Pawson (U3C) wrote: Hi folks, Product in question is a masthead amplifier, previously tested to EN 50083-2. This standard (still listed in OJ for EMCD)

Re: [PSES] RED products in EMC compliance part

2018-06-21 Thread John Woodgate
Yes, the Commission does not always make the docopocoss the same as the dow.  The situation is known to be unsatisfactory, due to the Commission changing its criteria for listing standards in the OJ. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh

Re: [PSES] RED products in EMC compliance part

2018-06-21 Thread John Woodgate
Yes, EN 55035 is listed under the RED, but there is no docopocoss for 55020 cited, possibly because 55020 was never cited under the RED.  So the only place to look for the docopocoss is the EMC list, I suggest. Otherwise it's in a sort of limbo. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Onl

Re: [PSES] RED products in EMC compliance part

2018-06-21 Thread John Woodgate
I think you can consider that until EN 55035 is listed in the OJ, there is no official docopocoss (Date of cessation of presumption of conformity of the superseded standard) for EN 55020, so you can still apply it. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates

Re: [PSES] ESD question

2018-06-20 Thread John Woodgate
urned up who couldn't work it.  We found it necessary to double the sensitivity again.  If you think about a person standing in the ESD field asa large (poorly-) conducting body, you can see why the effect can occur. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.w

Re: [PSES] ESD question

2018-06-19 Thread John Woodgate
e of 300 pF (but  I don't trust my arithmetic this early in the morning). John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-06-20 00:10, Doug Smith wrote: Hi John and the group, Actually I was just kidding everyone. But I am going to sta

Re: [PSES] ESD question

2018-06-19 Thread John Woodgate
re-squared) of some sort. I'm not sure what pF/ns would represent. Of course the capacitance of a spherical grandmother of any radius is 1 nanafarad. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-06-19 22:06, Doug Smith wrote:

Re: [PSES] ESD question

2018-06-19 Thread John Woodgate
ve been known to liken most of EMC testing to 'measuring jelly (Jello) with a micrometer'. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-06-19 22:05, Ken Javor wrote: Re: [PSES] ESD questio

Re: [PSES] ESD question

2018-06-19 Thread John Woodgate
x27;t be changed. The question, 'Cui bono?' ought to be asked a lot in EMC committees. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-06-19 21:34, Ken Javor wrote: Re: [PSES] ESD question What with Doug Smith being active i

Re: [PSES] ESD question

2018-06-19 Thread John Woodgate
Probably handed down on a stone tablet in 1910 and no-one had the courage to challenge it yet. (;-) John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-06-19 21:18, Ken Javor wrote: ESD question Anyone out there know the origins of the 150

Re: [PSES] Spectrum Analyzer bandwidth for CISPR 12

2018-06-14 Thread John Woodgate
Doesn't the relation depend on the order of the filter? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-06-14 14:45, Cortland Richmond wrote: See https://community.keysight.com/thread/18502 excerpt from an answer to a question:

Re: [PSES] Automotive EMC question

2018-06-13 Thread John Woodgate
If capacitors do not work, there must be another solution, and it must be known, because it is in use. Perhaps you could dissect your own (or preferably someone else's) means of transport to find out. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Ray

Re: [PSES] Automotive EMC question

2018-06-12 Thread John Woodgate
ring, the grounding should be good up to at least 1 GHz. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-06-12 22:41, Ken Javor wrote: Automotive EMC question The CAN bus spec says that shield(s) are to be grounded at one end only. How

Re: [PSES] FW: Industrial Printer

2018-05-26 Thread John Woodgate
EN 55024 has only a very limited future life. I would not recommend applying it to a new product. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-26 08:50, Gert Gremmen; ce-test wrote: Hi David, CISPR 32 is not relevant as this

Re: [PSES] FW: Industrial Printer

2018-05-24 Thread John Woodgate
The manufacturer can choose which standards to apply. There is no point at all in applying two emission standards. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-24 06:01, itl-emc user group wrote: An industrial printer has been

Re: [PSES] Customer Requests for Risk Assessments

2018-05-17 Thread John Woodgate
Don't ask for the whole RA, just ask for clear statements about points than concern you. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-17 20:27, Nyffenegger, Dave wrote: Re: [PSES] Customer Requests for Risk Assessments Th

Re: [PSES] Customer Requests for Risk Assessments

2018-05-17 Thread John Woodgate
An engineer and a lawyer argued about whose was the oldest profession. 'The creation of the Universe itself was obviously an engineering task', said the engineer. 'Before that there was only chaos'. 'Who do you think created the chaos?' said the lawyer. John Wood

Re: [PSES] Customer Requests for Risk Assessments

2018-05-17 Thread John Woodgate
I agree. You may be able to make your published RAR somewhat more meaningful than others, without disclosing sensitive information. This would be a marketing advantage. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-17 19:56, Ken

Re: [PSES] Doubts on RF generator problem

2018-05-17 Thread John Woodgate
Your generator is damaged: there is probably an open-circuit after the attenuator, maybe at the back of the output connector. Connecting the generator to a high-impedance load cannot damage it. It is no more harmful than operating the generator with nothing connected to its output. John

Re: [PSES] Recreational Craft Directive and EMC

2018-05-14 Thread John Woodgate
It depends on what the product does. if it is a 'consumer' type product, you are right. If it's concerned with communication (including emergency communication) or navigation, then special standards apply, especially if the product is a fixture in the boat. John Woodgate OOO-Ow

Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-10 Thread John Woodgate
It's not aEuropean committee, it's an IEC committee, and that's 85 countries, see http://www.iec.ch/dyn/www/f?p=103:5:0##ref=menu When it comes to safety, almost every country that has a functioning national standards body wants to take part in the IEC work. John Woodgate O

Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-04 Thread John Woodgate
otherwise it would never hope to finish its agenda. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-04 21:35, Richard Nute wrote: /In general, you are right, but IEC TC108 and its Hazard-Based Standard Development Team, responsible

Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-04 Thread John Woodgate
hours, and even over two days, that's exhausting. It is much better to contribute by correspondence (email). John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-04 19:56, Bender, Curtis wrote: A good training method is to join a

Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-04 Thread John Woodgate
et to the advanced tests. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-04 19:24, Brian O'Connell wrote: The annual PSES and EMC symposiums are the premier venues for compliance engineering. That said, the PSES symposium sessions

Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-04 Thread John Woodgate
ination of top, bottom and side openings for fire enclosures; – alternative requirements for sound pressure. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-04 18:53, Charlie Blackham wrote: Kevin UL run a two day course on 6236

Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-04 Thread John Woodgate
Let us know if you find any. The last time I looked, I didn't find. Not like EMC training, which is widely available. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-04 18:00, Kevin J Harris wrote: Hello I am lo

Re: [PSES] Environmental testing

2018-05-02 Thread John Woodgate
#x27; from the drop-down menu. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-03 04:53, Amund Westin wrote: ETSI have published the EN 300 019-series which describes environmental tests (climate, vibration, etc.) for telecom e

Re: [PSES] EN 55032 Testing on Wired Network Port

2018-04-27 Thread John Woodgate
ndicates in itself a need to fully test. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-27 11:45, Matthew Wilson wrote: You ask for opinions so I’ll give mine, based on the device needing to meet the EU EMC directive as you me

Re: [PSES] Mains Conducted rf emissions measurements

2018-04-26 Thread John Woodgate
Very good advice. Actually, there are grounds (!) for using a balanced filter, i.e. inductors in both L and N. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-26 19:20, Edward Price wrote: *Ian:* ** *It sounds like the low-pass

Re: [PSES] Mains Conducted rf emissions measurements

2018-04-26 Thread John Woodgate
If so, have you got a bigelectronic motor drive (VSD?) nearby? They /should/ be assessed, at leas for conducted emissions, after installation, but John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-26 15:24, McBurney, Ian wrote

Re: [PSES] Mains Conducted rf emissions measurements

2018-04-26 Thread John Woodgate
It's rather unusual; what have you got in the factory that might be causing it? Can you try powering the LISN from a spur taken directly from the main breaker box, with nothing else connected to the spur? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Ray

Re: [PSES] Mains Conducted rf emissions measurements

2018-04-26 Thread John Woodgate
You might ask the manufacturer of the LISN. Maybe it's faulty. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-26 11:32, McBurney, Ian wrote: Dear Colleagues. I am setting up a mains conducted rf emissions measuring system a

Re: [PSES] EN 55032 Testing on Wired Network Port

2018-04-24 Thread John Woodgate
By 'troublesome' I meant 'emissions over, or too close to, the limit, that can't be easily reduced.' If the emissions are low enough or can be made so, why bother to ask about need to test? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.

Re: [PSES] EN 55032 Testing on Wired Network Port

2018-04-24 Thread John Woodgate
 Do you even need to justify not testing,if it doesn't produces troublesome emissions? The only justification I can see might be that it is used only for periods of a few minutes a few times a year. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh,

Re: [PSES] IEC 60601-1-2: 2014 4th Edition

2018-04-22 Thread John Woodgate
It depends on the opinion of the regulatory authority in the country of sale. In Europe(applying the EN versions), it is the manufacturer's responsibility to justify and document the decision on partial testing, John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjo

Re: [PSES] Using a TDR for Shielding Effectiveness measurements

2018-04-20 Thread John Woodgate
Go to: http://www.iec.ch/dyn/www/f?p=103:22:0FSP_ORG_ID:1247 and look for publications in the 62153 series. There are several. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-20 16:05, Grasso, Charles wrote: Re: [PSES] Using a

Re: [PSES] Using a TDR for Shielding Effectiveness measurements

2018-04-19 Thread John Woodgate
IEC 60512-23-3 might be of interest, but I don't have a copy. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-19 16:23, Grasso, Charles wrote: Hello all, In lieu of using shielded chambers/spectrum analyzers and such, has a

Re: [PSES] Medical device risk assessment - faulty chargers

2018-04-17 Thread John Woodgate
hange. Do we rename the list 'IEEE Philosophical Society'?(;-) John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-17 20:24, Nick Williams wrote: In the medical device context, no this is not correct because the failure of t

Re: [PSES] Medical device risk assessment - faulty chargers

2018-04-17 Thread John Woodgate
Thanks for the explanations. However, I still think that at some point risk assessment is inevitable. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-17 00:22, Richard Nute wrote: … how do you test *objectively* the adequacy of a

Re: [PSES] Medical device risk assessment - faulty chargers

2018-04-16 Thread John Woodgate
dily; how do you test *objectively* the adequacy of a symbol like the ! in a triangle, meaning, well, I think it has had more than one meaning over the years? I do wish there was a way of eliminating it, but I don't see one. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates w

Re: [PSES] Medical device risk assessment - faulty chargers

2018-04-10 Thread John Woodgate
There is obviously no unique answer. You can: - not use USB and provide a charger with a unique connector (my choice); - use USB, but put full overvoltage and overcurrent protection in your product; - rely on warning notices (not recommended!) John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M

Re: [PSES] Power Integrity Question

2018-04-09 Thread John Woodgate
That should be warned about in the data sheet. Internal EMC problems tend to be rare, which is good, but because they are rare, there should be warnings if they can occur. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-09 13:19

Re: [PSES] Power Integrity Question

2018-04-09 Thread John Woodgate
e the pass-band, it is an antenna connected to a diode. And yes, it can pick up power rail noise. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-09 04:27, Doug Smith wrote: Hi Ken and the group, Many analog circuits, as well as the an

Re: [PSES] Power Integrity Question

2018-04-08 Thread John Woodgate
A specific target would typically be 'less than 1/3 of the value known to just provoke trouble'. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-08 04:25, Ken Javor wrote: Re: [PSES] Power Integrity Question If the ans

Re: [PSES] Power Integrity Question

2018-04-07 Thread John Woodgate
PSRR - none at all. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-07 17:41, Ken Javor wrote: Power Integrity Question There are many learned books/papers/discussions on how to achieve proper power integrity by way of proper P

Re: [PSES] [SPAM?] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-06 Thread John Woodgate
It may also be significant that the Council of Europe disbanded the committee that produced that resolution. Post hoc is not necessarily propter hoc, but on the other hand, it often is. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018

Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

2018-04-06 Thread John Woodgate
Native English speakers are involved, also costly language consultants. There is no excuse for bad wording but it's tolerated too much. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-06 08:30, Michael Derby wrote: Typicall

Re: [PSES] [SPAM?] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-05 Thread John Woodgate
ICNIRP can be investigated at: https://www.icnirp.org/en/about-icnirp/funding-governance/index.html It should be noted that IEEE concluded that recommended limits higher than those of ICNIRP are acceptable. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh

Re: [PSES] LVD or other EU directive for testing adaptor

2018-04-05 Thread John Woodgate
there is no more appropriate Directive.. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-05 07:43, Seyff Peter wrote: Colleagues! We are producing termials for luminaires. Therefore we also provide a test adapter for our customers.

Re: [PSES] [SPAM] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
eryone knows that the rest of the sentence is true, whether one is exposed to EMF or not. Alternatively, you can believe that the relevant IEEE and ICNIRP research reports are all falsehoods. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK O

Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
siderations, but a Guide should be in the plainest language possible, not be cryptic. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 21:05, Michael Derby wrote: Hello Matthew, Yes, I think you’re right that they mean broadcast ‘

Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
OK, the LVD does not apply, but all its provisions apply. Is that pernickety enough? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 16:57, Gert Gremmen; ce-test wrote: The LVD does NOT apply. For elektrical safety and EMC the

Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
Yes, well, it's typical obscurantist wording. The LVD DOES apply, but without its low-voltage limit. That is what Article 3 1 (a) says, quite explicitly. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 16:33, Charlie Bla

Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] Need a switch

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
  two arcuate strips of (preferably) phosphor-bronze, to make contact with two pairs of adjacent studs. A 90 degree rotation changes the connections as you want. Supporting structure for the spindle and square left to your ingenuity. You might be able to make it a bit smaller than I suggest. John

Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
ctive. The involvement of the RED is ONLY Article 3 1 (a), which applies the LVD without its  low-voltage limit. Nothing else of the RED is relevant. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 14:51, Michael Derby wrote: John, I

Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
workers to the risks arising from physical agents (electromagnetic fields) (20th individual Directive within the meaning of Article 16(1) of Directive 89/391/EEC) and repealing Directive 2004/40/EC John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK

Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-04 Thread John Woodgate
. You can find details of these standards from the public parts of the CENELEC (TC106X) web site and IEC (TC106) web site. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 13:38, Grace Lin wrote: Dear Members, Is there any

Re: [PSES] Need a switch

2018-04-03 Thread John Woodgate
I once had a DPDT knife switch with ceramic base and insulators. Rather big, though. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 04:01, Richard Nute wrote: Need a switch Hi Ken: I interpret your requirement as DPDT, with 3

Re: [PSES] COTS system compliance

2018-04-03 Thread John Woodgate
om LEDs, but no specific requirements for IR interfaces. EN 55032 and EN 55035 apply in Europe and CISPR 32 and CISPR 35 in other countries. Again, the EN and the CISPR standards are not exactly the same. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleig

Re: [PSES] COTS system compliance

2018-03-30 Thread John Woodgate
any more safety testing. If anything included uses 'wireless' (that magnetic induction or radio-frequency, but not infra-red) the RED applies to that product only. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-30 18:27, Chest

Re: [PSES] BS EN 62493:2015 Assessment of lighting equipment related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields

2018-03-29 Thread John Woodgate
You are likely to find the IEC Technical Report TR 62493-1 helpful.  Do you know how to use the IEC Webstore to find out about IEC publications? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-29 15:27, McCallum, Andy wrote

Re: [PSES] Looking for writer for EMC Filters

2018-03-26 Thread John Woodgate
construction than electronics. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-26 15:45, Ken Wyatt wrote: Hi All, I’m still looking for a writer that is well-versed in EMC filter design that can produce a white paper for ITEM Media (paid gig

Re: [PSES] Time-limits for transposition into national law

2018-03-25 Thread John Woodgate
In the UK, many Government publications are available in English, Welsh, Scots Gaelic, Arabic, Hindi and Urdu, occasional others, such as Polish.  So far, few are available, I think, in Manx, Cornish and British Romany, but that could change. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate

Re: [PSES] Time-limits for transposition into national law

2018-03-24 Thread John Woodgate
authorities in one or more MS that have incorporated the Directive. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-24 14:08, Scott Xe wrote: Before the effective date of an EU Directive such as LVD, the member state must transpose

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread John Woodgate
If I remember correctly, the text in 60335 was prompted by an incident in Denmark where a toaster incorrectly switched on due to EMI. Since the work was done under pressure, it might not have been done in the most appropriate way, but the end-result is as intended. John Woodgate OOO-Own

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-20 Thread John Woodgate
IEC 60335-1. So it is perhaps not unreasonable to put immunity requirements into that publication if they are not in CISPR 14-2. But if they are not in CISPR 14-2, why aren't they? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-

Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 3ed, Final Draft International Standard (FDIS)

2018-03-19 Thread John Woodgate
duced new ways that non-members of committees can see and comment on documents. See the web sites for details. This may require a lot of 'burrowing'. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-19 14:51, Robert Jo

Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 3ed, Final Draft International Standard (FDIS)

2018-03-18 Thread John Woodgate
If ntueeestud...@yahoo.com is a genuine student, some NCs will look more favourably on a request, especially if supported by a tutor. But not all do. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-18 19:59, Ghery Pettit wrote

Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 3ed, Final Draft International Standard (FDIS)

2018-03-18 Thread John Woodgate
extensive and to detailed to recount.  And 'major' is a dangerous word. A big change might not affect your product but a small change could put it off the market until it's fixed. 3. Yes, after a lot of  headless chicken, it is. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J

Re: [PSES] FW: HBES/BACS Standards in the OJ

2018-03-15 Thread John Woodgate
The new series, 63044, are based on the corresponding IEC standards, as you can see by the leading '6'. The older series, 50491, are home-grown (in Europe) CENELEC standards, as you can see by the leading '5'. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associ

Re: [PSES] FW: HBES/BACS Standards in the OJ

2018-03-14 Thread John Woodgate
) but that is probably a rare case. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-14 22:28, Kevin McCandless wrote: Hello Experts, I didn’t see my first request show up in my inbox. So I’m trying again… A customer in Turkey has s

Re: [PSES] insulation between SELV and protective earthed accessible part- IEC 62052-31

2018-03-14 Thread John Woodgate
See below. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-13 19:57, John Woodgate wrote: I suspect that the SELV circuits of an electricity meter never leave the enclosure, so SELV is OK, but PELV would still be equally safe or

Re: [PSES] insulation between SELV and protective earthed accessible part- IEC 62052-31

2018-03-13 Thread John Woodgate
I suspect that the SELV circuits of an electricity meter never leave the enclosure, so SELV is OK, but PELV would still be equally safe or better, even if a very low probability open-circuit earth occurred. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk

Re: [PSES] insulation between SELV and protective earthed accessible part- IEC 62052-31

2018-03-13 Thread John Woodgate
hance of power-cross is larger and it will remain *undetected* until someone touches both the SELV and earth. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-13 19:13, Richard Nute wrote: Dear Mr. Vyas: I suggest you review the defin

Re: [PSES] IEC60950-1 Limited Power Source via IC current limiter

2018-03-08 Thread John Woodgate
Probably some fail-safe, some reliable. I think that this is why 'safety' involves risk-assessment, not just meeting standards. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-08 21:41, Richard Nute wrote: In my ear

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-07 Thread John Woodgate
in CISPR 16-1 are 'hands-off' because of this, even though some are very vintage indeed. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-07 14:52, Patrick wrote: Hello Ed - Great story- thanks for sharing! Just last yea

Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 62368-1

2018-03-06 Thread John Woodgate
can rarely have too much documented justification. The specific answers: 1. Yes. 2. Yes, add them, providing it is documented that the non-conforming labels are not contradictory or confusing. Can you superimpose the correct labels? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates

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