On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Monday, September 17, 2012 5:44:16 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Sep 17, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Stephen P. King step...@charter.net
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On 9/17/2012 1:20 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
Stephen - the Matrix video is a
Hi Richard Ruquist
Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven,
only believing in Christ's sacrifice for us will do that.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/18/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end.
Woody Allan
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Hi Richard Ruquist
An excellent point us, because Jesus never condemned homosexuality.
He never said anything about it.
And as you say, it's not mentioned in the 10. And the 10 as far as I know
were all that Jesus preserved.
So Christianity doesn't have a case against homosexuality
that I
Hi Craig Weinberg
According to Leibniz (and common sense) the monads or souls of rocks do not
contain
intelligence or feeling and are thus called bare naked monads.
These should be much different from the monads of humans, which contain
intelligence and feelings and are true souls (Leibniz
Hi Craig Weinberg
IMHO conscousness is not really anything in itself,
it is what the brain makes of its contents that the self
perceives. The self is intelligence, which is
able to focus all pertinent brain activity to a unified point.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/18/2012
Hi Evgenii Rudnyi
Brent has a pragmatic view of consciousness in that
the meaning of things is what they do, not what they are.
This is Peirce's view of reality. I tend to lean that way myself.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/18/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end.
On 9/18/2012 12:25 AM, Terren Suydam wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
Hi Terren,
Comp is false is too strong. He is explaining how comp is
incomplete. The movie graph argument is flawed.
I'm not sure what that means, that comp is
Hi Jason Resch
If you get a duplicate of this, I apologize.
I'm still working on the problem.
Could it not be that just as our five senses (touch, sight, etc.)
tell us what is going on in the outside world, that we also have
sensors inside to detect pain and pleasure ?
Roger Clough,
Hi
Here's an example of a brain/computer device:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrainGate
BrainGate is a brain implant system built and previously owned by
Cyberkinetics,
currently under development and in clinical trials, designed to help those who
have lost control of their limbs, or other
The ages of life
When a child, you believe in Santa Claus
When you grow up, you don't believe in Santa Claus.
When you're old, you are Santa Claus.l
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/18/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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On 9/18/2012 6:07 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
IMHO conscousness is not really anything in itself,
it is what the brain makes of its contents that the self
perceives. The self is intelligence, which is
able to focus all pertinent brain activity to a unified point.
Roger Clough,
Could those that beieve in global warming please
explain how the earth warmed up after each ice age ?
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/18/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:50:47 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
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I think that comp is almost true, except for when applied to
consciousness itself, in which case it is exactly false. I wasn't asserting
Hi John Clark
Agreed, there is no indisputable reason to believe in God.
Faith or trust is required, and that's exactly what God
wants you to do.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/18/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Stephen P. King
Thinking about mereologyand Leibniz...
Since a monad is a whole, it can't have parts, so
you can't break it into parts. That's in fact the definition
of a monad, a whole without parts. So while some, including
Leibniz, speak of man or whatever as being a colony
of monads,
Hi Stephen P. King
The supreme monad (God) does everything
(God causes all to happen) while the monads,
being entirely passive, can do nothing except
display the changes that God made for them
as what is called their individual perceptions,
meaning the universe from their own points of view.
Hi Stephen P. King
Absolutely. Science is supposed to be impersonal,
but an individual has to decide
what to measure (this can be influenced by politics)
how to measure it-- including how accurately
what theory to compare the results with (this can be influenced by politics)
How to interpret
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:41 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:
On 9/18/2012 12:25 AM, Terren Suydam wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
wrote:
Hi Terren,
Comp is false is too strong. He is explaining how comp is
incomplete. The
Roger,
Comments below:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
If you get a duplicate of this, I apologize.
I'm still working on the problem.
I did see some duplicates from you yesterday, but this message was not
duplicated. In general, I
On 9/18/2012 9:03 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
Thinking about mereologyand Leibniz...
Since a monad is a whole, it can't have parts, so
you can't break it into parts. That's in fact the definition
of a monad, a whole without parts. So while some, including
Leibniz, speak of
On 9/18/2012 9:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
The supreme monad (God) does everything
(God causes all to happen) while the monads,
being entirely passive, can do nothing except
display the changes that God made for them
as what is called their individual perceptions,
meaning the
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:50:47 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
I think that comp is almost true, except for when applied to
consciousness
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:02:20 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
On Monday, September 17, 2012 5:44:16 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Sep 17, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Stephen P. King step...@charter.net
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:02:20 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
On Monday, September 17, 2012 5:44:16 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Sep 17,
On 17 Sep 2012, at 22:25, meekerdb wrote:
But did anybody think z' = z^2 + c was interesting before that?
Yes. This was known by people like Fatou and Julia, in the early 1900.
Iterating analytical complex functions leads to the Mandelbrot fractal
sets, or similar.
The computer has
On 9/18/2012 8:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Sep 2012, at 22:25, meekerdb wrote:
But did anybody think z' = z^2 + c was interesting before that?
Yes. This was known by people like Fatou and Julia, in the early 1900.
I knew they considered what are now called fractal sets, but not
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:02:21 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
My hypothesis is that human qualia is an iconic capitulation of
sub-personal and super-personal qualia - meta qualia which synergistically
recovers richer qualities of experience from the Totality.
Okay. But it will
On 9/18/2012 9:05 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
My hypothesis is that human qualia is an iconic capitulation of
sub-personal and
super-personal qualia - meta qualia which synergistically recovers
richer
qualities of experience from the Totality.
Okay. But it will
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 1:59 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I think most reactors using Hastelloy plumbing (one of several nickel
alloys). The containment vessels are steel and concrete. They differ a
lot depending on whether they are pressurized water reactors, boiling water
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:26 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven, only believing in
Christ's sacrifice for us will do that.
And you know that because you were told it over and over again from the
very moment you learned language,
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:09:54 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 9/18/2012 9:05 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
My hypothesis is that human qualia is an iconic capitulation of
sub-personal and super-personal qualia - meta qualia which synergistically
recovers richer qualities of
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
there is no indisputable reason to believe in God.
Yes.
Faith or trust is required
In other words stupidity is required.
and that's exactly what God wants
God wants? GOD WANTS??!! The guy's omnipotent, God doesn't want, God
On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:29:44 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
Here is an example:
Functional MRI scans have indicated that an area of the brain,
called the anterior cingulate cortex, processes pain
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Could those that beieve in global warming please explain how the earth
warmed up after each ice age ?
Nobody knows for certain. There was a Mega Ice age 2.4 billion years ago
and another one 700 million years ago where the
On 9/18/2012 9:44 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 1:59 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I think most reactors using Hastelloy plumbing (one of several nickel alloys).
The containment vessels are steel and concrete. They differ a lot
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:17:08 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
On Monday, September 17, 2012 6:18:00 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
Craig,
Do you think if your brain were cut in half, but then perfectly
On 9/18/2012 10:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
No it is absolutely necessary. If you had no knowledge regarding what you were seeing,
no qualia at all, you would be blind and dysfunctional.
You might cite blund sighr as a counter example, but actually i think it is evidence of
modularity if mind.
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:08:46 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
IMHO conscousness is not really anything in itself,
it is what the brain makes of its contents that the self
perceives.
It gets tricky. Depends what you mean by a thing. I would say that
On Sep 18, 2012, at 12:53 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 9/18/2012 10:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
No it is absolutely necessary. If you had no knowledge regarding
what you were seeing, no qualia at all, you would be blind and
dysfunctional.
You might cite blund sighr as a
On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:16:25 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Sep 18, 2012, at 12:53 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net javascript:
wrote:
On 9/18/2012 10:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
No it is absolutely necessary. If you had no knowledge regarding what you
were seeing, no qualia at
Ha ha: so not consciousness is the 'thing', but 'intelligence'? or is this
one also a function (of the brain towards the self?) who is the self? how
does the brain
*DO **something *
(as a homunculus?) on its own? Any suggestions?
John M
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Roger Clough
On 9/18/2012 12:44 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 1:59 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I think most reactors using Hastelloy plumbing (one of several
nickel alloys). The containment vessels are steel and concrete.
They differ
On 9/18/2012 5:17 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Ha ha: so not consciousness is the 'thing', but 'intelligence'? or is
this one also a function (of the brain towards the self?) who is the
self? how does the brain
*_DO _**_something_ *
(as a homunculus?) on its own? Any suggestions?
John M
Hi John,
On 9/17/2012 11:27 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Do you mean that the meaning in a guided missile system happens as
by-product of its development by engineers?
To me, it seems that meaning that you have defined in Mars Rovers
is yet another theory of epiphenomenalism.
And your quote and question
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
No, the paper does *not* assume that there is a set of functions that
if reproduced will will cause consciousness. It assumes that something
like what you are saying is right.
By assume I mean the implicit
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sure when electricity was first being understood it was assumed that a
dead body could be revived by electrical stimulation. The reality is that
there are processes which are thermodynamically irreversible. This
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.comwrote:
Rex,
Do you have a non-platonist explanation for the discovery of the
Mandelbrot set and the infinite complexity therein?
I find fictionalism to be the most plausible view of mathematics, with all
that implies for
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Rex Allen rexallen31...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com
wrote:
Rex,
Do you have a non-platonist explanation for the discovery of the
Mandelbrot set and the infinite complexity therein?
I find
On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Rex Allen rexallen31...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com
wrote:
Rex,
Do you have a non-platonist explanation for the discovery of the
Mandelbrot set and the infinite complexity therein?
I find
On 9/18/2012 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
The unreasonable effectiveness of math in the physical sciences is yet further support
if Platonism.
I don't see that this follows. If we invent language, including mathematics, to describe
our theories of the world that explains their effectiveness.
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