Fw: H+ Summit @Melbourne 25-26th of June 2011 (Australia)

2011-06-07 Thread Wei Dai
From: Adam A. Ford Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 7:30 PM To: Wei Dai Subject: H+ Summit @Melbourne 25-26th of June 2011 (Australia) Hi Wei Dai, I saw your everything list, and wanted to post an event there, but I am not a member, and even if I became one would just be a newbie. So if you feel

everything-list and the Singularity

2010-03-14 Thread Wei Dai
Recently I heard the news that Max Tegmark has joined the Advisory Board of SIAI (The Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence, see http://www.singinst.org/blog/2010/03/03/mit-professor-and-cosmologist-max-tegmark-joins-siai-advisory-board/). This news was surprising to me, but in

Re: list archive

2009-09-22 Thread Wei Dai
I've placed a compressed mbox file at http://www.ibiblio.org/weidai/everything-archive/. Add everything.bz2 to this path for the full URL. (I'm trying not to post the full URL directly so the email addresses inside won't get harvested by web robots.) It should be complete as of now. I'll

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-03-10 Thread Wei Dai
Jack Mallah wrote: They might not, but I'm sure most would; maybe not exactly that U, but a lot closer to it. Can you explain why you believe that? No. In U = Sum_i M_i Q_i, you sum over all the i's, not just the ones that are similar to you. Of course your Q_i (which is _your_ utility

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-03-06 Thread Wei Dai
No. First, I don't agree that the real question is what the utility function is or should be. The real question is whether the measure, M, is conserved or whether it decreases. It's just that a lot of people don't understand what that means. I agree that a lot of people don't

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-02-24 Thread Wei Dai
Jack, welcome back. I no longer read every post here, but I read this post and found your positions pretty close to my own. This one, especially, I totally agree with: The important thing to realize is that _definitions don't matter_! Predictions, decisions, appropriate emotions to a

questionnaire (was: All feedback appreciated - An introduction to Algebraic Physics)

2008-07-03 Thread Wei Dai
: Re: All feedback appreciated - An introduction to Algebraic Physics to: Wei Dai: Please: How can I find your 'Everything-Questionnaire'? (Not that I have the answers...) John Mikes On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Brian Tenneson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is the universe a subset

Re: UDA paper

2008-02-27 Thread Wei Dai
Bruno Marchal wrote: If Wei Dai agree, I could send it online: it is a 1,5 Mega QuickTime document attachment. I guess it is a bit too big. Some day I will put them on my web page. It does illustrate some points. The problem is that my all complex plane software does no more run on current

Re: What are the consequences of UD+ASSA?

2007-10-30 Thread Wei Dai
Rolf Nelson wrote: In the (3) I gave, you're indexed so that the thermal fluctuation doesn't dissolve until November 1, so your actions still have consequences. Still not a problem: the space-time region that I can affect in (3) is too small (i.e., its measure is too small, complexity too

Re: What are the consequences of UD+ASSA?

2007-10-28 Thread Wei Dai
Rolf Nelson wrote: On Oct 25, 7:59 am, Wei Dai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't care about (1) and (3) because those universes are too arbitrary or random, and I can defend that by pointing to their high algorithmic complexities. In (3) the universe doesn't have a high aIgorithmic

Re: What are the consequences of UD+ASSA?

2007-10-27 Thread Wei Dai
Rolf Nelson wrote: Wei, your examples are convincing, although other decision models have similar problems. If your two examples were the only problems that UDASSA had, I would have few qualms about adopting it over the other decision models I've seen. Note that even if you adopt a decision

Re: What are the consequences of UD+ASSA?

2007-10-27 Thread Wei Dai
Brent Meeker wrote: That's a good argument assuming some laws of physics. But as I understood it, the measure problem was to explain the law-like evolution of the universe as a opposed to a chaotic/random/white-rabbit universe. Is it your interpretation that, among all possible worlds,

Re: What are the consequences of UD+ASSA?

2007-10-26 Thread Wei Dai
Rolf Nelson wrote: In standard decision theory, odds (subjective probabilities) are separated from utilities. Is how much you care about the consequences of your actions isomorphic to odds, or is there some subtlety I'm missing here? Your question shows that someone finally understand what

Re: What are the consequences of UD+ASSA?

2007-10-25 Thread Wei Dai
Rolf Nelson wrote: Your observations to date are consistent with all three models. What are the odds that you live in (2) but not (1) or (3)? Surely the answer is extremely high, but how do we justify it *mathematically* (and philosophically)? My current position is, forget the odds. Let's

Re: What are the consequences of UD+ASSA?

2007-10-24 Thread Wei Dai
Rolf Nelson wrote: 1. Provides a possible explanation for the Measure Problem of why we shouldn't be extremely surprised to find we live in a lawful universe, rather than an extremely chaotic universe, or a homogeneous cloud of gas. One thing I still don't understand, is in what sense

how to define ASSA (was: The ASSA leads to a unique utilitarism)

2007-10-05 Thread Wei Dai
Russell Standish wrote: This is actually the SSSA, as originally defined by Bostrom. The ASSA is the SSSA applied to next observer moments. I guess there is a bit of confusing on these terms. I did some searching in the mailing list archives to find out how they were originally defined.

Re: The ASSA leads to a unique utilitarism

2007-10-04 Thread Wei Dai
Youness Ayaita wrote: Directly speaking: Since all observers must expect to get their next observer moments out of the same ensemble of observer moments, there is no reason to insist on different preferences. Youness, ASSA does not mean what you think, that all observers must expect to get

against UD+ASSA, part 1

2007-09-26 Thread Wei Dai
I promised to summarize why I moved away from the philosophical position that Hal Finney calls UD+ASSA. Here's part 1, where I argue against ASSA. Part 2 will cover UD. Consider the following thought experiment. Suppose your brain has been destructively scanned and uploaded into a computer by a

against UD+ASSA, part 2

2007-09-26 Thread Wei Dai
In part one I argued against ASSA. Here I first summarize my argument against UD, then against the general possibility of any single objective measure. 1. There is an infinite number of universal Turing machines, so there is an infinite number of UD. If we want to use one UD as an objective

Re: against UD+ASSA, part 1

2007-09-26 Thread Wei Dai
Hal Finney wrote: This is an interesting experiment, but I have two comments. First, you could tighten the dilemma by having the mad scientist flip a biased coin with say a 70% chance of coming up heads, but then he duplicates you if it comes up tails. Now you have it that the different

Re: New Scientist: Parallel universes make quantum sense

2007-09-24 Thread Wei Dai
Here's my comment on David Wallace's 2005 paper, Quantum Probability from Subjective Likelihood: improving on Deutsch's proof of the probability rule available at http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/2302/. I think this is probably one of the main works referred to in the New Scientist

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-18 Thread Wei Dai
Hal wrote: Yes, as you note later this is very similar to the concept I called UD+ASSA or just UDASSA and described in a series of postings to this list back in 2005. It was not original with me but actually was based on an idea of Wei Dai, who founded this last way back in 1998. I

Re: Justifying the Theory of Everything

2007-07-08 Thread Wei Dai
Jason wrote: I have seen two main justifications on this list for the everything ensemble, the first comes from information theory which says the information content of everything is zero (or close to zero). The other is mathematicalism/arithmatical realism which suggests mathematical truth

Re: Believing in Divine Destiny

2007-02-27 Thread Wei Dai
A year ago or so Wei Dai put an end to religious discussions on the list. I don't remember if I did that a year ago or not, but I certainly think the current discussion is off-topic. This mailing list is based on the premise that all possible universes exist. Unless someone can think

Re: Jason + Stathis

2007-02-14 Thread Wei Dai
I just remembered that Google Groups also has a file uploading/hosting feature. You can find it at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list/files. It's already enabled, so please go ahead and use it as an alternative, or for any files that don't belong on Jason's wiki. - Original

Re: Jason + Stathis

2007-02-12 Thread Wei Dai
On Feb 13, 3:28 am, Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't need an emailer that understands HTML to look at an attached jpeg, like the one I attach to this. :-) On the avoid-l mailing list the rule is to keep attachements under 500kb. Perhaps Wei Dai would like to adopt

RE: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-01-14 Thread Wei Dai
Jason, I think there may be some incorrect assumptions behind your argument. Let me state the facts as I understand them and you can check them against your assumptions or correct me if I'm wrong. The only reason we need reversible computation to do an infinite number of computations is that

RE: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-01-14 Thread Wei Dai
Jason wrote: If that is true then my underlying assumptions were flawed. My argument assumed that a non-reversible universe could not be simulated by a computer with bounded memory and using only reversible computations. The way I arrived at this assumption was imagining a non-reversible

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-01-14 Thread Wei Dai
Jason wrote: I assumed bounded memory due to the limited amount of matter and energy available to build the computer. For instance I've seen it said that the total information content of this universe is about 10^90 bits. If a civilization gathered all the mass and energy available in their

Re: testing

2006-12-20 Thread Wei Dai
Your posts have been coming through. You can check http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en yourself to see if your posts have been received by the group. - Original Message - From: John Mikes To: everything-list@googlegroups.com ; Wei Dai Sent: Thursday, December 21

Re: Natural Order Belief

2006-12-15 Thread Wei Dai
Sorry, John. I set your subscription to no email thinking you wanted to unsubscribe. I've changed it back now. For future reference you can check your subscription status at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list/subscribe. - Original Message - From: Kim Jones To:

Re: why can't we erase information?

2006-04-11 Thread Wei Dai
Jesse Mazer wrote: As for the question of why we live in a universe that apparently has this property, I don't think there's an anthropic explanation for it, I'd see it as part of the larger question of why we live in a universe whose fundamental laws seem to be so elegant and posess so

Re: why can't we erase information?

2006-04-11 Thread Wei Dai
Ti Bo wrote: On reversibility, there is the observation (I think acredittable to Tom Toffoli) that most/all irreversible systems have a reversible subsystem and the dynamics arrive in that subsystem after some (finite) time. Thus any system that we observe a while after it has started

Re: why can't we erase information?

2006-04-11 Thread Wei Dai
Saibal Mitra wrote: How would an observer know he is living in a universe in which information is lost? Information loss means that time evolution can map two different initial states to the same final state. The observer in the final state thus cannot know that information really has been

Re: why can't we erase information?

2006-04-11 Thread Wei Dai
Jesse Mazer: I have a vague memory that there was some result showing the algorithmic complexity of a string shouldn't depend too strongly on the details of the Turing machine--that it would only differ by some constant amount for any two different machines, maybe? Does this ring a bell with

why can't we erase information?

2006-04-09 Thread Wei Dai
If we consider our observable universe as a computation, it's rather atypical in that it doesn't seem to make use of the erase operation (or other any operation that irreversibly erases information). The second law of thermodynamics is a consequence of this. In order to forget anything

proper behavior for a mathematical substructure

2006-03-29 Thread Wei Dai
Is there a difference between physical existence and mathematical existence? I suggest thinking about this problem from a different angle. Consider a mathematical substructure as a rational decision maker. It seems to me that making a decision ideally would consist of the following steps: 1.

Re: proper behavior for a mathematical substructure

2006-03-29 Thread Wei Dai
Brent Meeker wrote: This seems to assume a dualism in which you are both a mathematical structure and at also stand outside the structure caring and making decisions. What makes you say stand outside the structure? I'd say instead that I am a mathematical structure that cares and makes

ADMIN: list move complete

2006-02-24 Thread Wei Dai
The list move is now complete. Please start sending your posts to the new address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, the list will now be archived at both http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list and http://www.mail-archive.com/everything-list@eskimo.com/. For those of you using Procmail to

Re: Multiverse concepts in string theory

2006-02-15 Thread Wei Dai
ng machine in algorithmic information theory. Our aesthetic choices can therefore be encoded into this free parameter. - Original Message - From: Kim Jones To: Wei Dai Cc: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: Re: Multivers

Re: Multiverse concepts in string theory

2006-02-13 Thread Wei Dai
Hal wrote: I also get the impression that Susskind's attempts to bring "disreputable" multiverse models into "holy" string theory is more likely to kill string theory than to rehabilitate multiverses. Perhaps I am getting a biased view by only reading this one blog, which opposes string

Re: archive?

2005-08-24 Thread Wei Dai
I'm not sure what's going on with escribe.com, but there's a second archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/everything-list%40eskimo.com/. - Original Message - From: Hal Ruhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:14 PM Subject: archive?

Re: what relation do mathematical models have with reality?

2005-07-30 Thread Wei Dai
Hal Finney wrote: No doubt this is true. But there are still two somewhat-related problems. One is, you can go back in time to the first replicator on earth, and think of its evolution over the ages as a learning process. During this time it learned this intuitive physics, i.e. mathematics and

Re: is induction unformalizable?

2005-07-22 Thread Wei Dai
Couple of comments to the post below. 1. P=?NP is a purely mathematical problem, whereas the existence of an HPO box is an emperical matter. If we had access to a purported HPO box while P=?NP is still unsolved, we can use the box to exhaustively search for proofs of either P=NP or PNP. 2. I

Re: is induction unformalizable?

2005-07-13 Thread Wei Dai
Correct me if wrong, but isn't the halting problem only undecidable when the length of the program is unbounded? Wouldn't the AI assign non-zero probability to a machine that solved the halting problem for programs up to size S? (S is the number of stars in the sky, grains of sand, atoms

Re: conversation with a Bayesian

2004-05-04 Thread Wei Dai
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 12:42:16PM -0700, Hal Finney wrote: One thing I've never understood about this approach is exactly how a computation is considered to be a set. Take a 1D cellular automaton for example as a simple computational model, with a specified set of rules and particular

conversation with a Bayesian

2004-04-19 Thread Wei Dai
This is an imaginary conversation between me and a Bayesian. His answers are in parenthesis. Do you find this line of argument convincing? Consider all possible worlds consistent with your memories and current experiences. In other words, all possible worlds that contain at least one

Re: More on qualia of consciousness and occam's razor

2004-02-06 Thread Wei Dai
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 02:55:53PM -0800, Pete Carlton wrote: But even this goes way out in front of what we can possibly know. You say we have no idea what these feelings are like to experience--but why should we assume we even are entitled to ask this question? Here's my basic philosophy:

Re: Subjective measure? How does that work?

2004-02-01 Thread Wei Dai
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 11:33:15AM -0800, Hal Finney wrote: What about arguments that attempt to estimate the fraction of observers who are in simulations versus in base realities, such as Nick Bostrom's Simulation Argument, www.simulation-argument.com? Are you saying that such arguments are

Re: Subjective measure? How does that work?

2004-01-25 Thread Wei Dai
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 11:49:09PM -0500, Jesse Mazer wrote: But measures aren't just about making decisions about what to *do*, the main argument for a single objective measure is that such a measure could make predictions about what we *see*, like why we see regular laws of physics and

Re: Subjective measure? How does that work?

2004-01-25 Thread Wei Dai
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 09:51:47AM -0800, Hal Finney wrote: But we can solve this conundrum while retaining symmetry. Rationality should demand allegience to the observed measure. It is irrational to cling to a measure which has been rejected repeatedly by observations. If classical

Re: Subjective measure? How does that work?

2004-01-25 Thread Wei Dai
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 03:41:55AM -0500, Jesse Mazer wrote: Do you think that by choosing a different measure, you could change the actual first-person probabilities of different experiences? Or do you reject the idea of continuity of consciousness and first-person probabilities in the

Re: probabilities measures computable universes

2004-01-24 Thread Wei Dai
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 09:04:20PM -0800, Hal Finney wrote: Do you think it would come out differently with a universal distribution? There are an infinite number of universal distributions. Some of them assign greater probability to even integers, some of them assign greater probability to

recommended books

2004-01-24 Thread Wei Dai
These books have been mentioned on the list before, but I'm recommending them again because a lot of new members have joined since we last talked about them. To motivate you to read these books, I've given some questions that each book helps answer or provide the necessary background knowledge to

Re: Modern Physical theory as a basis for Ethical and Existential Nihilism

2004-01-24 Thread Wei Dai
I have to say that I sympathize with Caesar, but my position is slightly different. I think there is a possibility that that objective morality does exist, but we're simply too stupid to realize what it is. Therefore we should try to improve our intelligence, through intelligence amplication, or

Re: Modern Physical theory as a basis for Ethical and Existential Nihilism

2004-01-24 Thread Wei Dai
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 01:01:42AM +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: If I stop with (a) above, I am simply saying that this is how I feel about suffering, and this feeling is not contingent on the state of affairs in any actual or possible world [there, I got it in!]. (a) as stated is ill

Re: Subjective measure? How does that work?

2004-01-24 Thread Wei Dai
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 12:21:40PM -0800, Eric Hawthorne wrote: Can you explain briefly why the choice of measure is subjective? I haven't read any of the books you mentioned (will try to get to them) but am familiar with computability theory and decision theory. Since you do not mention

Re: Papers of Lockwood, Albert-Loewer

2004-01-19 Thread Wei Dai
The latter two papers can be found on JSTOR. I've placed copies at http://www.ibiblio.org/weidai/Many_Minds.pdf http://www.ibiblio.org/weidai/Many_Minds_Replies.pdf The first paper doesn't seem to be online anywhere. There's an online archive for Synthese at

Re: Peculiarities of our universe

2004-01-12 Thread Wei Dai
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 09:57:18AM -0800, Hal Finney wrote: [...] That is (turning to the Schmidhuber interpretation) it must be much simpler to write a program that just barely allows for the possibility of life than to write one which makes it easy. This is a prediction of the AUH, and

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-12 Thread Wei Dai
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 05:32:05PM +0100, Georges Quenot wrote: Many other way of simulating the universe could be considered like for instance a 4D mesh (if we simplify by considering only general relativity; there is no reason for the approach not being possible in an even more general way)

Re: Last-minute vs. anticipatory quantum immortality

2003-11-12 Thread Wei Dai
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:34:27AM -0500, Jesse Mazer wrote: Applied to quantum immortality, this anticipatory idea suggests it would not be as if the universe is allowing events to go any which way right up until something is about to kill me, and then it steps in with some miraculous

Fwd: Here's how to u-n-s-u-b-s-c-r-i-b-e

2003-11-04 Thread Wei Dai
Apparenly the mailing list software does not like unsubscribe in the subject field. It thinks you're mistakenly sending an unsubscribe request to the list address instead of the request address. Thanks for pointing out the typo on the web page. I've fixed it now. - Forwarded message -

Re: Fw: Something for Platonists

2003-06-23 Thread Wei Dai
But in fact, the only thing that privileges the set of all computational operations that we see in nature, is that they are instantiated by the laws of physics. I would dispute this. The set of computable operations may also be privileged in that only a universe with laws of physics that

Re: Universes infinite in time

2003-01-15 Thread Wei Dai
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 04:07:47PM -0800, Hal Finney wrote: How could we go about modelling a universe like this? A mathematical model should be straightforward. For a computational model, consider a program that takes an infinitely long string as input, which it interprets as the description

Re: Quantum Decision Theory

2003-01-15 Thread Wei Dai
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 02:45:15PM -0800, Hal Finney wrote: Another angle on this argument takes an even broader view. Let us consider all observer-moments in the multiverse. By eliminating those observer-moments which have a negative quality of life, we improve

Re: Quantum Decision Theory

2003-01-14 Thread Wei Dai
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 11:20:26AM -0800, Tim May wrote: The point here is that rational decision makers should choose actions on the basis of their _efficacy in bringing out desirable results_ rather than their auspiciousness as harbingers of these results. (p. 150, The Foundations of

Re: Possible Worlds, Logic, and MWI

2003-01-13 Thread Wei Dai
On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 08:54:38PM -0800, Tim May wrote: But in this, the only universe I will ever, ever have contact with, I optimize as best I can. And I assume all the myriad mes are doing the same in their universes, forever disconnected from mine. You're taking the question too

Re: Possible Worlds, Logic, and MWI

2003-01-13 Thread Wei Dai
Continuing with my last post... On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 08:54:38PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Why would there be any reason to try to maximize the utility of this big picture? For those of us who don't even strive for the greatest good for the greatest number in a single-branch universe, why

test (attn: Duraid)

2003-01-07 Thread Wei Dai
This is a test. Duraid, please allow this post to go through to your subscribers. Once I confirm this works, I'll update the everything-list web page to add a link to your list page.

list status

2003-01-06 Thread Wei Dai
To clarify, this list is not being moderated. Every post sent by a subscriber to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will go through and be reflected to all subscribers. It will then be forwarded to Duraid's lotsofthings mailing list, where Duraid will select the ones he considers of high quality and send them

Re: A moderated everything-list substitute (was: Re: Provably exponential time algorithms)

2003-01-03 Thread Wei Dai
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 04:48:03PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone: Why am I posting _this_ rant to the list, I hear you ask? To advertise another list, lotsofthings. It's intended to be a moderated everything-list. Please visit http://list.infiniteloop.ca/listinfo/lotsofthings for

Re: Quantum Probability and Decision Theory

2002-12-27 Thread Wei Dai
On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 08:21:38PM -0500, Stephen Paul King wrote: Forgive me if my writting gave you that opinion. I meant to imply that any mind, including that of a bat, is quantum mechanical and not classical in its nature. My ideas follow the implications of Hitoshi Kitada's theory of

Re: Quantum Probability and Decision Theory

2002-12-18 Thread Wei Dai
On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 04:00:07PM +0100, Marchal Bruno wrote: Have you read the revisited paper by Wallace on Everett/decision theory? Quite interesting imo, and relevant for some discussion, about MWI and decision theory we have had on this list.

Re: Romeo and Juliet and QS

2002-10-06 Thread Wei Dai
On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 11:53:10PM -0700, George Levy wrote: After discussing the idea of QS with their dear friend Mercutio, Romeo and Juliet decide to go ahead with the project. Mercutio design the machine and under his instruction, Balthasar, Romeo's loyal servant, builds a QS

Re: From Hardegree to Chellas for Joyce + Restall

2002-09-29 Thread Wei Dai
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 02:58:57PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Originally the passage from the first person to the first person plural was done in reaction to my ex-boss wanting an explanation of the comp indeterminacy in term of betting games. What do you mean by this? Explanation or

Re: Tegmark's TOE Cantor's Absolute Infinity

2002-09-25 Thread Wei Dai
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 12:18:36PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: You are right. But this is a reason for not considering classical *second* order logic as logic. Higher order logic remains logic when some constructive assumption are made, like working in intuitionist logic. A second order

Re: MWI of relativistic QM

2002-09-25 Thread Wei Dai
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 03:20:54PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: I mentioned Deutsch for his account of time in term of parallel universes. I don't remember if Deutsch deduced this explicitly from relativity. (I lend his book so I cannot verify now). I was just doing the following caricatural

Re: From Hardegree to Chellas for Joyce + Restall

2002-09-25 Thread Wei Dai
On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 12:02:20PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Just to tell you that the Joyce book you refer to us is indeed interesting and could motivate for mathematical tools common in decision theory, philosophical logic, and theories related to the machine interview I am engaged in. I

Re: Tegmark's TOE Cantor's Absolute Infinity

2002-09-22 Thread Wei Dai
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 11:50:20PM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: I was not aware that 2nd-order logic precluded independent propositions. Is this true whatever the axioms and rules of inference? It depends on the axioms, and the semantic rules (not rules of inference which is a deductive

Re: Tegmark's TOE Cantor's Absolute Infinity

2002-09-21 Thread Wei Dai
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 09:20:26PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who are familiar with Max Tegmark's TOE, could someone tell me whether Georg Cantor's Absolute Infinity, Absolute Maximum or Absolute Infinite Collections represent mathematical structures and, therefore

Re: Tegmark's TOE Cantor's Absolute Infinity

2002-09-21 Thread Wei Dai
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 10:26:45PM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: I don't see how this follows. If you have a set of axioms, and rules of inference, then (per Godel) there are undecidable propositions. One of these may be added as an axiom and the system will still be consistent. This will

MWI of relativistic QM

2002-09-20 Thread Wei Dai
On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 12:08:39PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: This comes from the fact that MWI is explained most of the time in the context of non relativistic QM (which assumes time and space). But this problem disappear once you take into account the space time structure of relativistic

Re: Schmidhuber II implies FTL communications

2002-09-06 Thread Wei Dai
On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 07:32:49PM -0700, Hal Finney wrote: This was an interesting paper but unfortunately the key point seemed to pass by without proof. On page 5, the proposal is to use entangled particles to try to send a signal by measuring at one end in a sequence of different bases

Schmidhuber II implies FTL communications

2002-09-05 Thread Wei Dai
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 12:51:09PM +1000, Russell Standish wrote: This set of all descriptions is the Schmidhuber approach, although he later muddies the water a bit by postulating that this set is generated by a machine with resource constraints (we could call this Schmidhuber II :). This

modal logic and probability

2002-09-05 Thread Wei Dai
On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 10:48:38AM -0700, Tim May wrote: And, putting in a plug for modal/topos logic, the essence of nearly every interpretation, whether MWI or Copenhagen or even Newtonian, is that observers at time t are faced with unknowable and branching futures. How useful is modal

Re: modal logic and possible worlds

2002-08-17 Thread Wei Dai
Thank you for the explanation on S4, IL, and CL. I'm interested in more details, but rather than bombarding you with endless questions, can you suggest a book on this topic? Something that talks about what you just did, but in more detail? Unfortunately I'm still not able to understand much

Re: Doomsday-like argument in cosmology

2002-08-17 Thread Wei Dai
On Sat, Aug 17, 2002 at 04:55:59PM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: I think what the paper says is that when matter/energy have thinned out enough so that we have essentially empty space again, a de Sitter universe, a vacuum fluctuation can start a new universe. You're not understanding the paper

Nick Bostrom's new book

2002-08-15 Thread Wei Dai
I don't know why Nick hasn't told us about his new book. I just found out about it on his web site: Anthropic Bias: Observation Selection Effects in Science and Philosophy Nick Bostrom, Routledge, New York, July 2002 There are some free sample chapters at

Doomsday-like argument in cosmology

2002-08-15 Thread Wei Dai
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Re: Doomsday-like argument in cosmology

2002-08-15 Thread Wei Dai
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 11:28:28PM +0200, Saibal Mitra wrote: I think that the difference is that invoking the SIA does not affect the conclusion of the paper. Why do you say that? I think SIA affects the conclusion of the paper the same way it affects the Doomsday argument. It's kind of

Re: Doomsday-like argument in cosmology

2002-08-15 Thread Wei Dai
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 12:26:10AM +0200, Saibal Mitra wrote: I haven't read the paper in detail, so I could be wrong. Consider the two alternatives: 1) true cosmological constant 2) no true cosmological constant We also assume SIA. Is it the case that there are much fewer observers in

Re: modal logic and possible worlds

2002-08-14 Thread Wei Dai
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 04:38:45PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Your general question was Why using modal logic when quantifying on worlds is enough. My basic answer was that Kripke's possible world semantics works only on a subset of the possible modal logics. Let me generalize my question

Re: modal logic and possible worlds

2002-08-13 Thread Wei Dai
Tim, I think I'm starting to understand what you're saying. However, it still seems that anything you can do with intuitionistic logic, toposes, etc., can also be done with classical logic and set theory. (I'm not confident about this, but see my previous post in reponse to Bruno.) Maybe it's not

Re: modal logic and possible worlds

2002-08-13 Thread Wei Dai
On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 10:08:50AM -0700, Tim May wrote: * Because toposes are essentially mathematical universes in which various bits and pieces of mathematics can be assumed. A topos in which Euclid's Fifth Postulate is true, and many in which it is not. A topos where all functions are

Re: modal logic and possible worlds

2002-08-13 Thread Wei Dai
On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 03:51:49PM -0700, Tim May wrote: I also don't know what your goals are, despite reading many of your posts. If, for example, you are looking for tools to understand a possible multiverse, or how multiverses in general might be constructed, I'm not at all sure any

modal logic and possible worlds

2002-08-12 Thread Wei Dai
According to possible world semantics, it's necessary that P means that P is true in all worlds accessible from this one. Different modal logics correspond to different restrictions on the accessibility relation. Before the invention of possible world semantics, people argued about which modal

Re: modal logic and possible worlds

2002-08-12 Thread Wei Dai
Tim, I'm afraid I still don't understand you. On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 06:00:26PM -0700, Tim May wrote: It is possible that WWIII will happen before the end of this year. In one possible world, A, many things are one way...burned, melted, destroyed, etc. In another possible world, B, things

Re: The relevance of category and topos theory

2002-07-18 Thread Wei Dai
On Sun, Jul 07, 2002 at 11:25:28AM -0700, Tim May wrote: http://www.math.uu.se/~palmgren/topos-eng.html Topos Theory, spring term 1999 A graduate course (6 course points) in mathematical logic. Topos theory grew

Re: SSA and game theory (was: self-sampling assumption is incorrect)

2002-07-18 Thread Wei Dai
Here's my response to the rest of your post. I think you're right that with two identical deterministic computations, there is no need to apply game theory. I think in that case you should consider yourself to be both of them. It would not work to think there's 50% chance you're one and 50%

Re: SSA and game theory (was: self-sampling assumption is incorrect)

2002-07-17 Thread Wei Dai
On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 06:58:50PM -0700, Hal Finney wrote: I am confused about the relation of S to A and B. Did S go into a copying machine and get two copies, A and B made, in addition to S? And now A and B are deciding what S will win? Yes, and yes. Why should they care? If S gets a

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