Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Mikes You wrongly assume that the killing power of the infantry necessarily has to do with imperialism or aggression. I believe in PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER. - Receiving the following content - From: John Mikes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-27, 12:31:36

Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Roger, I agree with you, peace and freedom are not possible on this earth without strong militaries. Game theory shows that to be the case. The problem in the USA, though, is the in(famous) military-industrial complex. Powerful corporations profit incredibly from war. That's the wrong

Re: Consciousness in TOEs

2013-01-28 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Perhaps you can enlighten me. Can you define nothing ? I follow Descartes, who said that physical entities have extended existence and nonphysical entities (such as mind or consciousness) have nonextended existence. IMHO A common sense definition of nothing would exclude

On military spending

2013-01-28 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Military spending is almost impossible to grasp. To give a few of the factors: 1) The military is mostly corporate welfare, since there is no private market (at least in this country) for such weapons. 2) At the same time, this corporate welfare provides jobs and stimulates

Re: Re: a system of oppression?

2013-01-28 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King One man's oppression is another man's guiding light. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-27, 14:51:04 Subject: Re: a system of oppression? On 1/27/2013 2:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday,

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-28 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb The killing of anybody is wrong. - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-27, 14:19:38 Subject: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality On 1/27/2013 3:28 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Germany has always been

Re: Chosen-ness

2013-01-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:24:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/27/2013 7:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:06:37 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/27/2013 2:35 PM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Hey everyone, I've been following this group a lot. I read it

Re: a system of oppression?

2013-01-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:51:24 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 1/27/2013 4:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:51:04 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 1/27/2013 2:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:34:37 PM UTC-5,

About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

2013-01-28 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi, I think this paper might be fodder for a nice discussion! http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.5295 About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space Francisco José Soler Gil http://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+Gil_F/0/1/0/all/0/1,Manuel Alfonseca

Re: Consciousness in TOEs

2013-01-28 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Russell, Sorry to be blunt: Energy is part of TOEs, so the tech as well as the myths and beliefs that frame that tech are TOE relevant, more so than many posts I see here. FYI: Musk gets his ideas in the shower and at burning man + he turned down Ivy PhD because he could see then, that it was a

Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, January 28, 2013 7:24:11 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Roger, I agree with you, peace and freedom are not possible on this earth without strong militaries. Game theory shows that to be the case. Which is why game theory tends to produce results which are amoral and

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

2013-01-28 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: *MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection involves organisms trying to adapt.* *MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection acts for the good of the species.* *MISCONCEPTION: The fittest organisms in a population are those that are

Re: Chosen-ness

2013-01-28 Thread meekerdb
On 1/28/2013 5:37 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:24:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/27/2013 7:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:06:37 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/27/2013 2:35 PM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Hey

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Jan 2013, at 12:28, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Germany has always been antisemitic, Hitler just organized the killing jews, who unfortunately were also socialists/communists but anyway, Luther's writings were done somewhat obscurely in the 16th century. Luther was not alone.

Re: meditation

2013-01-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Roger, On 27 Jan 2013, at 12:46, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno, It isn't that we influence the universe, the universe IS us. Which universe? Bruno - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-27, 00:53:25 Subject: Re:

Re: mega-consciousness,created by bio-electrical circuitry?

2013-01-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Jan 2013, at 13:19, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 25 Jan 2013, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: It's a fascinating idea. Groups selection seems to be a controversial issue with biologists, but it makes sense to

Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Craig, On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Monday, January 28, 2013 7:24:11 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Roger, I agree with you, peace and freedom are not possible on this earth without strong militaries. Game theory shows that to be

Re: meditation

2013-01-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Jan 2013, at 13:44, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 25 Jan 2013, at 16:41, Roger Clough wrote: I think that meditation is a way of cutting out the links of consciousness to the noise of the brain, suggesting that Cs

Re: Consciousness in TOEs

2013-01-28 Thread meekerdb
On 1/28/2013 8:35 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Sorry to be blunt: Energy is part of TOEs, Isn't everything - the E in TOE. So let's discuss French cuisine and airline security. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group.

Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread meekerdb
On 1/28/2013 10:05 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Which is why game theory tends to produce results which are amoral and ideological. Amoral, sure. Ideological, I don't get it. I'm with you in strongly disliking war and violence, by the way. I just don't see a way to survive and be free

Re: Facts, values, and Non-overlapping magisteria

2013-01-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Roger Clough, On 27 Jan 2013, at 14:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal My view that science and religion are mutually exclusive is certainly not true of catholics, who at least since Aquinas, believe that truth is reason-based. And even Luther mellowed a bit in later years against

Re: meditation

2013-01-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Jan 2013, at 14:06, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal IMHO meditation is a perfectly natural phenomenon that does not need to be integrated into anything. ? Then, why do you integrate it in the natural phenomenon? Bruno - Receiving the following content - From:

Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, January 28, 2013 1:05:28 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Craig, On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Monday, January 28, 2013 7:24:11 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: Hi Roger, I agree with you, peace and freedom are

Re: Chosen-ness

2013-01-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, January 28, 2013 12:34:32 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/28/2013 5:37 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:24:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/27/2013 7:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:06:37 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On

Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread John Mikes
Not with (money/power hungry) politicians we have nowadays. That, maybe a Superior firepower brings up competition and - maybe - crimes like the 9-11-2001 especially if some religious self-sacrifice can be included. Imperialism has its new formats, e.g. to rule over natural resources (raw

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

2013-01-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, January 28, 2013 12:33:23 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: *MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection involves organisms trying to adapt.* *MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection acts for the good of the

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

2013-01-28 Thread John Mikes
Craig: beautiful series. Mostly agreeable terms. I used some of it in a slightly different sense, but not oppositional; *Organisms do not adapt. *We have to realize the diversity of ALL existence and similarly looking groups show differences, observed. or beyond our capability of detection. Those

Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

2013-01-28 Thread meekerdb
Hi, I think this paper might be fodder for a nice discussion! http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.5295 About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space Francisco José Soler Gil http://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+Gil_F/0/1/0/all/0/1,Manuel Alfonseca

Re: Consciousness in TOEs

2013-01-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 07:30:16AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Perhaps you can enlighten me. Can you define nothing ? Yes - I devote a whole chapter to the topic in my book. I follow Descartes, who said that physical entities have extended existence and nonphysical

Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

2013-01-28 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/28/2013 4:22 PM, meekerdb wrote: Hi, I think this paper might be fodder for a nice discussion! http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.5295 About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space Francisco José Soler Gil http://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+Gil_F/0/1/0/all/0/1,Manuel Alfonseca

Re: Consciousness in TOEs

2013-01-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 05:35:01PM +0100, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Russell, Sorry to be blunt: Energy is part of TOEs, so the tech as well as the myths and beliefs that frame that tech are TOE relevant, more so than many posts I see here. FYI: Musk gets his ideas in the shower and

Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

2013-01-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 01:22:22PM -0800, meekerdb wrote: The idea that there are infinitely many universe (or an infinitely big one) and therefore everything must be repeated infinitely many times is incoherent. If there's a copy of this universe, then it *IS* this universe by Leibniz's

Re: Consciousness in TOEs

2013-01-28 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 05:35:01PM +0100, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Russell, Sorry to be blunt: Energy is part of TOEs, so the tech as well as the myths and beliefs that frame that tech are TOE relevant,

Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Roger, Pro-life will lead to comp abuse, when you will get an artificial brain without your consent. Pro-life is risky making comp into a (pseudo)-religion, but comp warns us that if this happen, we will get unsound, arithmetically. But there is a possibility we already are. Bruno

Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jan 2013, at 05:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:20:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 6:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:05:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 5:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at

Fwd: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-28 Thread meekerdb
Here's an essay that is suggestive of Bruno's distinction between what is provable and what is true (knowable) but unprovable. Maybe this is a place where COMP could contribute to the understanding of QM. Brent *Lessons from the Block Universe* * *Ken Wharton

Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-28 Thread meekerdb
On 1/27/2013 3:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Jan 2013, at 05:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:20:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 6:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:05:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013

Re: meditation

2013-01-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Jan 2013, at 13:49, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Well, meditations might be enough, perhaps. Sleep leads also to dissociate state, simpler version of oneself, and the resulting strange realities. Even the idea

Re: Generalized Löb's Theorem

2013-01-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Stephen, On 25 Jan 2013, at 18:06, Stephen P. King wrote: Have you seen this? What implications does it have? http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1301/1301.5340.pdf If the result is correct (which I think it is) it is a nice generalization of Löb's theorem. It makes it somehow more

Re: mega-consciousness,created by bio-electrical circuitry?

2013-01-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jan 2013, at 16:15, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Hi Telmo. Group selection It is no longer controversial. Naive group selection do not work, but selection between groups where internal deletereous behaviours are repressed to a certan level (but never eliminated) does work. The theory

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-28 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
.Everybody creates his God according to his own image and spirit If triangles made a God they would give him three sides / Charles de Montesquieu . Persian Letters, 1721 / # There were people who said ‘God ‘ and thought about Zeus. There are people who say ‘God ‘ and think about Holly Cow. If