Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On 1/13/2013 12:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 2:13 AM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/12/2013 11:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:50 AM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/12/2013 9:21 AM, Jason R

A Safely Underground Nuclear Reactor that runs on Nuclear waste

Not to worry about running out of fuelat least for a few centureis.. Bill Gates explains Terrapower And The Traveling Wave Reactor A Safely Underground Nuclear Reactor that runs on Nuclear waste https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwRYtiSbbVg [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

On 1/13/2013 12:19 PM, John Mikes wrote: Brent: if we agree with the Solar System origination from a dissection of the (original-bigger) Sun, even the geothermic is "solar" energy. Well, 'wind' definitely is, hydro indirectly. We need lots more of usable energy for humankind's survival - to sa

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 2:13 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/12/2013 11:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:50 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 1/12/2013 9:21 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 10:32 AM, John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

Brent: if we agree with the Solar System origination from a dissection of the (original-bigger) Sun, even the geothermic is "solar" energy. Well, 'wind' definitely is, hydro indirectly. We need lots more of usable energy for humankind's survival - to save energy and I am an advocate of the geothe

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:33, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> EM waves and fields clearly exist in spacetime. Yet I would classify >> them along with quantum waves as part of the quantum mind and >> nonphysical. >> The photon particle and quantum p

Re: Sensing the presence of God

On 13 Jan 2013, at 01:40, meekerdb wrote: On 1/12/2013 3:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jan 2013, at 21:47, meekerdb wrote: On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What are its tenets that you believe on faith? That there is something different from me. But you have evidence

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On 12 Jan 2013, at 19:54, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > Is there any definition of "soul" you agree with? Strangely enough there is, the soul is the essential must have part of consciousness, therefore I think that Information is as close as

Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter

On 1/13/2013 2:02 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/13/2013 12:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: OK. My point is that if we assume computationalism it is necessarily so, and constructively so, so making that hypothesis testable. We have the logical entaiment: Arithmetic -> computations -> consciousness -> s

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On 12 Jan 2013, at 17:36, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/11/2013 2:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM, wrote: In a message dated 1/11/2013 2:27:33 AM Easter

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:57:48 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:01, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Hi Roger, > > How can you have a wave without some notion of spatial/temporal dimensions? > > > > I don't see why we cannot have purely mathematical waves (easily related

Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter

On 1/13/2013 3:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:48, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Space and time may be a perception of the mind in the Kantian sense. I don´t find that space must be independent of the mind. space and time may be the way we perceive a space-time manifold which i

Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter

On 1/13/2013 12:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: OK. My point is that if we assume computationalism it is necessarily so, and constructively so, so making that hypothesis testable. We have the logical entaiment: Arithmetic -> computations -> consciousness -> sharable dreams -> physical reality/mat

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On 1/13/2013 3:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I have never met a theologian genuinely believing in both omnipotence and omniscience. Since Thomas, christian theologians knows that it is inconsistent. Dear Bruno, I have yet to find a modern Christian apologists that is troubled by this. Mos

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On 1/13/2013 3:13 AM, meekerdb wrote: Nearly all scientists would agree that the material identity is not important to continuity of consciousness. Therefore any time the appropriate instantiation arises, consciousness can continue. In an infinitely large and varied reality (Platonism, QM, inf

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

On 1/13/2013 2:48 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/12/2013 6:58 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:19 PM, meekerdb wrote: ??? Who asked you to? I guess you're unaware that hydroelectric generators depend on solar energy? And that the energy in coal and oil came from the Sun. And that it's no

Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > reason is the devil's whore. > I'll bet if it supported their beliefs the religious would like reason just fine. > > That's why we Lutherans rely first on faith So God gave us a brain but doesn't want us to use it and He thinks the very

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:33, Richard Ruquist wrote: EM waves and fields clearly exist in spacetime. Yet I would classify them along with quantum waves as part of the quantum mind and nonphysical. The photon particle and quantum particles appear to bridge the gap between the physical and the mind i

Re: Quntum waves are probability (mathemaqtical) waves, not physical waves

On 12 Jan 2013, at 15:45, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Roger, Sure, neither do I. But if you preform the double slit experience you will see physical wave-like patters of interference. If it quacks like a duck... I'm not a materialist and I have no problem with the idea of the physical world be

Re: Sensing the presence of God

On 12 Jan 2013, at 15:37, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jan 2013, at 21:47, meekerdb wrote: On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What are its tenets that you believe on faith? That there is something different fr

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> If, as so many have, you redefine the word "God" to mean "a power >> greater than myself" then I am a theist who firmly believes in God because >> I believe that bulldozers exist. >> > > > Bulldozers are not responsible for your existence. Both

Re: cognitive therapy

On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:35, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Personally I have found that reading the Bible a little and knowing some scripture verse, helps. Why not? But Chuang-tseu, Lie-tseu, Lao-Tseu, Alan Watts, and even the Baghavad Gita (a rather crazy text from the conventional s

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:01, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Roger, How can you have a wave without some notion of spatial/temporal dimensions? I don't see why we cannot have purely mathematical waves (easily related to lines and circles), and physical waves, like water wave or tsunami, or sound

Fwd: [4DWorldx] Lliving systems are a function of time; non-living systems are not

That explains why complex variables are needed for quantum mechanics. The wiggle room of not defining greater or lessor introduces probability. Richard -- Forwarded message -- From: Hans Dieter Franke Date: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [4DWorldx] Lliving systems ar

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:34:37 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: > > Craig, > You sound like the ultimate flower girl, all touchy and feelie. > However, yo might very well be right. > Richard > Mother nature's son? > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > >

Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

Hi Roger On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy > > I always let the market decide. > Please. It's peoples' behavior that determines market. And it has decided: you can steal from the coming generations by allowing energy industry to continue stealing

Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:56:25 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi Richard Ruquist > > EM waves are physical and exist in spacetime. > You can capture them with an antenna, etc. > Does an Earthquake capture a wave that is independent of the Earth? >From my view, the EM waves *are* the

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

Thanks. Is it possible to explain ' monads' of Leibniz or Kant's ' thing-in-itself ' from physical point of view ? Is it possible to explain the 'philosophy of Idealism ' using physical laws and formulas ? =. On Jan 13, 2:30 pm, "Roger Clough" wrote: > Hi socra...@bezeqint.net > > Not exactl

Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Romans 3:10 "As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one." This statement could be broadened to include god and therefore account for misery in this world. Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to th

Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Roger wrote: > but EM waves >> are physical (electrons) However, EM waves collapse to photons, not electrons. And I would put EM waves on the mental side and photons on the physical side. But light seems to bridge the boundary. Richard --

Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Thoughts travel instantly, but EM waves > are physical (electrons) and so must travel at the speed of light Agreed Roger,But IMO em waves and quantum waves, like thoughts in the quantum mind, can collapse instantly to make particles, IMO thi

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

Hi socra...@bezeqint.net Not exactly prove but explain: 1. means that there is an intelligence beyond the universe 2. is not true according to Leibniz. Above is perfect, below is contingent. 3. According to Leibniz, all existence is active (because alive) 4. I have linked Leibniz to Sheldr

Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

Hi Richard Ruquist EM waves are physical and exist in spacetime. You can capture them with an antenna, etc. I see nothing especially wrong with the rest of you comments, you seem to have some interesting ideas. Thoughts travel instantly, but EM waves are physical (electrons) and so must

Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

Hi meekerdb Just because you can prove something, doesn't mean that it's true. It's only true if it corresponds to reality. Yes, Luther hated the jews. It's always a bit of an embarassment. He was smart, but he wasn't holy. Lutherans don't believe that men can become saints anyway. Romans 3

Re: It may quack like a duck, but it's only a duck when it hits the plate

:) Ok. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Telmo Menezes > > The Schrodinger wave equation (SWE) uses a "quantum wave function" > psi(r,t), which is the > mathematical probability that a quantum particle will be at certain > location r at time t. > > Solution of the Schrod

It may quack like a duck, but it's only a duck when it hits the plate

Hi Telmo Menezes The Schrodinger wave equation (SWE) uses a "quantum wave function" psi(r,t), which is the mathematical probability that a quantum particle will be at certain location r at time t. Solution of the Schrodinger equation for the two slit experiment will give you an interferen

Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > We have the logical entaiment: > > Arithmetic -> computations -> consciousness -> sharable dreams -> physical > reality/matter -> human biology -> human consciousness. > > It is a generalization of "natural selection" operating from arithmeti

Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy I always let the market decide. You can't go wrong that way. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy Receiver:

A brief synopsis of morphic resonance and the presence of the past according to the monadology.

Here very briefly is how Leibniz might explain morphic resonance and the presence of the past. in terms of his monadology. For that, see : http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/leibniz.htm I am not a marxist. 1. Each substance or simple body has a physical repre

Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

Hi Bruno Marchal No, the Devil would never disparage reason. For reason, as we can see on this list, is the father of doubt. Reason, for example through Aquinas' 5 proofs of God, can get you no closer to God than plausibility. You have to take the blind leap of faith to actually reach God.

Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter

Hi Alberto G. Corona According to Kant, space and time are intuitions, not perceptions. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everyt

Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter

*I Bruno.* * * *I wanted to put geometry in the chain because materialists seems to base their firm belief in the fact that space is both in mathematics, in the reality and in the mind, so space it is the firm thing where "real" things are located. I try to show that space is just our mental repre

Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter

On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:48, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Space and time may be a perception of the mind in the Kantian sense. I don´t find that space must be independent of the mind. space and time may be the way we perceive a space-time manifold which is pure mathematical and nothing else. Ma

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On 12 Jan 2013, at 17:32, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > Please provide some reference showing almost all theists use that definition of God [ a omnipotent omniscient being who created the universe] . I find it unlikely that most theists would

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On 12 Jan 2013, at 12:52, Roger Clough wrote: Hi everything-list, I don't believe that Descartes would accept the MWI. Here's why: I think that the ManyWorldsInterpretation of QM is incorrect, due to the mistaken notion (IMHO) that quantum waves are physical waves, so that everything is physi

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On 1/12/2013 11:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:50 AM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/12/2013 9:21 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 10:32 AM, John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12: