On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:28, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:18:58 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Mar 2014, at 17:50, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I'm mirroring back to you what my impression is of what you say to
me. I say it is obvious that machines are impersonal, cold,
On 17 Mar 2014, at 23:19, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:46:23 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Mar 2014, at 13:03, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not sure if I have any clue where we would differ, nor if that
has any relevance with the reasoning I suggest, to
On 18 Mar 2014, at 16:14, John Clark wrote:
And I'm the one who is supposed to be confused??? There is not one
drop of Quantum Mechanics or probability in the Game of Life, it is
100% classical mechanics, and yet there CAN be 2 or more ways to
get to a given macrostate. It's 100%
On 18 Mar 2014, at 22:33, LizR wrote:
Am I right in assuming that in a quantum mechanical universe you can
trace the history backwards?
In God's eye only. Not from inside the universe, especially that from
inside, you will find your self belonging to some special term of the
universal
On 19 Mar 2014, at 01:57, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/18/2014 5:07 PM, LizR wrote:
On 19 March 2014 12:47, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But in general that would mean knowing the state of everything the
system had interacted with in the past, since it is now entangled
with them. So even
Brent.
Correct to a point and those networks of entanglement form the basis of my
theory of how space arises piecewise from quantum events that no one here
is interested in exploring even though it resolves all quantum paradox and
shows how to unify QT and GR.
Ah, well, there is always the
Brent,
If information is not being lost then the amount of information in the
universe is increasing at a tremendous rate as new events occur, and has
been since the beginning. So where is all that new information being
stored? How can ever increasing amounts of information be being stored in
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Brent,
If information is not being lost then the amount of information in the
universe is increasing at a tremendous rate as new events occur, and has
been since the beginning. So where is all that new information being
Telmo,
No, compression is totally unable to explain the storage of total
information in a universe which continually doubles its amount of
information from one Planck time to the next and continually adds that
amount to the cumulative total.
Edgar
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:17:28 AM
On 19 Mar 2014, at 12:54, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Presumably you do agree that information can't just float around
somehow without actually being encoded in actual matter states?
This contradicts your statement that the physical arises from the
computational.
But you have not yet define
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Telmo,
No, compression is totally unable to explain the storage of total
information in a universe which continually doubles its amount of
information from one Planck time to the next and continually adds that
amount to
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you think I am incorrect in saying that your list does NOT look
like the general policy recommendations that most of those who see an
urgent need to curb global warming could agree on?
Yes.
And what is this
2014-03-19 15:44 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you think I am incorrect in saying that your list does NOT look
like the general policy recommendations that most of those who see an
urgent need to curb
2014-03-19 15:48 GMT+01:00 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com:
2014-03-19 15:44 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you think I am incorrect in saying that your list does NOT look
like the general
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:
I have offered quite a few prescriptions - none of which you will
approve of, because they entail the adoption of a new ethic of material
frugality, of having a light footprint, and of adopting sustainable
John,
If human overpopulation is not drastically reduced humanely it will
inevitably be drastically reduced INhumanely...
There are a number of ways to reduce human overpopulation humanely. Mainly
by offering sufficient financial incentives to women of child bearing age
to undergo voluntary
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
In the present state and the physical transition rules from one state to
another ? if the transition is reversible then from only the current state
you can infer the past state, without it being encoded in the present
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Telmo,
No, that was Brent's claim. I'm asking him to tell us how it works. Where
is all that additional information about past states stored if he thinks
none of it is lost?
Edgar,
One thing is to claim that no
Telmo,
No, that was Brent's claim. I'm asking him to tell us how it works. Where
is all that additional information about past states stored if he thinks
none of it is lost?
Edgar
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:32:48 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:25 PM,
Bruno,
Well I'm using loose language to make it easier to understand. Actually it
is the information itself that represents what are then interpreted by
humans and science as matter states
My point being that the information forms that manifest as matter states in
human internal mental
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On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:20, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
Sodid anyone's ToE predict this outcome?
I am not sure you are 100% serious on this, but the question is very
interesting, so I will make some comments, which might not been taken
100% seriously.
At first, we might say that any
In the present state and the physical transition rules from one state to
another ? if the transition is reversible then from only the current state
you can infer the past state, without it being encoded in the present
state... the current state + transition rule is enough.
Quentin
2014-03-19
I heartily agree, but I was focusing on technological remediation for AGW, for
energy, etc. I am against the management of people by government edict. Yes,
computer and electronics engineers are abetting a fascist system worldwide, but
I am hoping that physicists, mechanical and chemical
On 19 Mar 2014, at 16:32, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Bruno,
Well I'm using loose language to make it easier to understand.
Actually it is the information itself that represents what are then
interpreted by humans and science as matter states
OK, but then that information flows around,
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 5:02:15 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:28, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:18:58 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Mar 2014, at 17:50, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I'm mirroring back to you what my impression is of what
I think the argument usually goes like this:
Suppose there's an infinite ensemble of the computations that include a
mental state that remembers having been you as you are now. There are a
lot of details needed to support such a mental state. Let's say it takes a
minimum of N bits. Longer
Here's an article that informs me, if nobody else, how complicated the climate
thing is.
http://phys.org/news/2014-03-goldilocks-principle-hypothesis-earth-habitability.html
Beyond that I agree with John on his estimate of cutting the standard of living
down, to fit the ideal environmental
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:10 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Here's an article that informs me, if nobody else, how complicated the
climate thing is.
http://phys.org/news/2014-03-goldilocks-principle-hypothesis-earth-habitability.html
Beyond that I agree with John on his estimate of cutting
To both you and John: If I wanted a subscription to Wall Street journal, USA
Today, Fox etc. I'd buy them
If I wanted lectures from the Green Party, the International Socialist
Movement. or any Marxist cult, I'd have joined them and would be agreeing with
you. I want technical solutions
Here is a prediction of the ratio of tensor to scalar of gravitational
waves.
They just got the ratio a bit low at 0.07 whereas the measured ratio is 0.2.
http://arxiv.org/abs/0808.0706
Gravity Waves and Linear Inflation from Axion Monodromy
Liam
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:34 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
To both you and John: If I wanted a subscription to Wall Street journal,
USA Today, Fox etc. I'd buy them
If I wanted lectures from the Green Party, the International Socialist
Movement. or any Marxist cult, I'd have joined them and
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:19:52 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Mar 2014, at 23:19, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:46:23 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Mar 2014, at 13:03, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not sure if I have any clue where we
On 19 March 2014 22:41, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 18 Mar 2014, at 22:33, LizR wrote:
Am I right in assuming that in a quantum mechanical universe you can
trace the history backwards?
In God's eye only. Not from inside the universe, especially that from
inside, you will
On 20 March 2014 00:54, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Brent,
If information is not being lost then the amount of information in the
universe is increasing at a tremendous rate as new events occur, and has
been since the beginning. So where is all that new information being
stored?
On 19 March 2014 13:57, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
There's a couple of nice papers about this by Yasunori Nomura:
arXiv:1205.267v2 is a popular exposition and arXiv:1205.5550v2 is a more
technical paper.
Thanks again! The for dummies one is fascinating, I like the
relativisation
On 20 March 2014 00:54, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Brent,
If information is not being lost then the amount of information in the
universe is increasing at a tremendous rate as new events occur, and has
been since the beginning. So where is all that new information being
stored?
Brent, my hearing is so bad that I not only misunderstand(?) all
video-speak, I hardly even could HEAR gravity-wvaves (not to SEE(?) them).
I esteem old Isaac and when an apple fell on his head he has all my
sympathy. But GRAVITY (attraction from/by a mass?) I had to learn that
anno Decebal,
On 3/19/2014 8:45 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
In the present state and the physical transition rules from one state to another ? if
the transition is reversible then from only the current state you can infer the past
state, without it being encoded in the present state... the current state +
On 3/19/2014 9:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:20, ghib...@gmail.com mailto:ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
Sodid anyone's ToE predict this outcome?
I am not sure you are 100% serious on this, but the question is very interesting, so I
will make some comments, which might not
On 20 March 2014 07:10, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Here's an article that informs me, if nobody else, how complicated the
climate thing is.
http://phys.org/news/2014-03-goldilocks-principle-hypothesis-earth-habitability.html
Beyond that I agree with John on his estimate of cutting the
On 19 March 2014 15:55, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
So an expanding universe should give rise to increasing maximum
entropy, but the total energy remains constant (at zero). As for what
happens to the free energy (stuff available for work), its a bit more
complicated, but it
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:21:58 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:19:52 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Mar 2014, at 23:19, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:46:23 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Mar 2014, at 13:03,
Hi, Hal, thanks for your kind and fast reply. Not that I want to overwhelm
science, or even the knowledgeability of THIS list, but I diverted from the
base of your position ~2 decades ago and became an agnostic.
If 'life' increases the disorder then I agree: in my narrative (a model to
'speak
Liz,
Discussion of this issue: Berut et al, Experimental verification of Landauer's
principle linking information and thermodynamics, Nature 483, 187-189 (2012).
Lanny Sterritt
On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:53 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 20 March 2014 00:54, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net
Liz, et al,
The problem with your and other's comments is that, as I've explained
before, entropy is NOT fundamental as many seem to think..
The current entropy state depends entirely on the current mix of the four
fundamental forces, in particular on whether gravitation is more attractive
or
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:35:11 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 19 March 2014 15:55, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.aujavascript:
wrote:
So an expanding universe should give rise to increasing maximum
entropy, but the total energy remains constant (at zero). As for what
happens to the
To whom are you answering ? It seems it is to Edgar... you should not cite
a message when you want to answer to another one...
Regards,
Quentin
2014-03-19 22:46 GMT+01:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 3/19/2014 8:45 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
In the present state and the physical
Thank you. Here is a link to the article in question. Unfortunately I don't
wish to spend $32 on buying it in its entirety, but the abstract gives the
general idea. It looks as though the heat produced by erasing a bit of
information has been experimentally detected via what looks like some
On 20 March 2014 12:23, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
To whom are you answering ? It seems it is to Edgar... you should not cite
a message when you want to answer to another one...
He is replying to Edgar, as you can see from the line at the *bottom *of
the quoted section. But I
Assuming chaotic inflation there is no consensus that the multiverse
is past infinite but some papers have try to show it is do.
Ronald
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On 20 March 2014 12:21, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:35:11 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 19 March 2014 15:55, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
So an expanding universe should give rise to increasing maximum
entropy, but the total energy remains constant
On 20 March 2014 12:19, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Liz, et al,
The problem with your and other's comments is that, as I've explained
before, entropy is NOT fundamental as many seem to think..
I have also already explained this quite a few times, especially in answer
to people
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:19:13 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Liz, et al,
The problem with your and other's comments is that, as I've explained
before, entropy is NOT fundamental as many seem to think..
The current entropy state depends entirely on the current mix of the four
On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:14:48 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
Jesse, somehow our conversation has bifurcated into 2 quite different
topics, environmental concerns and fundamental physics, today I'll just
talk about the physics.
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Jesse Mazer
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:44:17PM +1300, LizR wrote:
Yes, I think that's what Carl Sagan said about the possibility of life
existing indefinitely, too. The entropy ceiling goes up indefinitely, but
the energy remaining goes down, and ultimately I would imagine it ends up
at the noise level.
Another knife in the heart of CTM, IMO...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_speech
A striking feature of language is that it is modality-independent. Should
an impaired child be prevented from hearing or producing sound, its innate
capacity to master a language may equally find
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 03:53:02PM -0700, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
Then - the notion of Computation being intrinsically conscious - a basic
assaumption that I'[d call a major recurrent theme of computionralism over
a pretty long period. A lot o.f your friends have said they buy it.
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:37:52 PM UTC, ronaldheld wrote:
Assuming chaotic inflation there is no consensus that the multiverse
is past infinite but some papers have try to show it is do.
Ronald
Infinity is just a word and a boilerplate definition. Whether it's pure
infinite,
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:24:33 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Another knife in the heart of CTM, IMO...
It took several minutes of Googling to find a plausible expansion of CTM,
at http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/computational-mind/ . I guess
objectively that's hardly any work at
On 3/19/2014 2:29 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Brent, my hearing is so bad that I not only misunderstand(?) all video-speak, I hardly
even could HEAR gravity-wvaves (not to SEE(?) them).
I esteem old Isaac and when an apple fell on his head he has all my sympathy. But
GRAVITY (attraction from/by
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:06:37 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:24:33 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Another knife in the heart of CTM, IMO...
It took several minutes of Googling to find a plausible expansion of CTM,
at
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:53:37 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 20 March 2014 00:54, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net javascript:wrote:
Brent,
If information is not being lost then the amount of information in the
universe is increasing at a tremendous rate as new events occur, and has
been
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:31:28 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
Thank you. Here is a link to the article in question. Unfortunately I
don't wish to spend $32 on buying it in its entirety, but the abstract
gives the general idea. It looks as though the heat produced by erasing a
bit of
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I heartily agree, but I was focusing on technological remediation for AGW,
for energy, etc. I am against the management of people by government edict.
Yes, computer and
On 20 March 2014 15:38, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:53:37 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 20 March 2014 00:54, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net wrote:
Brent,
If information is not being lost then the amount of information in the
universe is increasing at a tremendous
On 20 March 2014 15:52, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
I always thought information was a context of energy and vice verca. I'm
probably going to keep on thinking that until until someone puts me out of
my misery by pointing what is fundamentally - or even superficially -
different.
I think as
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:32:49 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 20 March 2014 15:38, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:53:37 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 20 March 2014 00:54, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net wrote:
Brent,
If information is not being lost then the
On 20 March 2014 15:25, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
It means that birds squawk because they like the feeling and sound of it.
The intention of using the squawking to convey information is optional and
evolves much later.
As stated, that strikes me as unlikely, because simply
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