On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:30:11 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:24:42 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>> I still don't get it why some people prefer insulting other people and
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On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 4:59:01 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> *I think this discussion is a waste of time. You can't even understand why
> a classical wave which extends to infinity along an infinite plane implies
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On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 5:19:00 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> -- a mental illness, verging on, but not quite a form of insanity. AG
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> That was like the final word of the Church about Giordano Bruno, who dared
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On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 9:59:49 PM UTC, stathisp wrote:
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>>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:24:42 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
I still
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:31:26 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 8:50:36 AM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote:
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On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:58:47 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>>> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 00:10, a écrit :
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On Thursday, July 26,
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On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:19:47 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:18:49 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:26:56 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 11:39:34 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 5:44:54 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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Up and Dn are realizable physical states for a spin 1/2 particle. Up - Dn,
and Up + Dn are also realizable, that is physical states of a spin 1/2
particle, according to the QM formaliam. We can't measure the latter two
states because, presumably, we can't imagine what they are. Not being able
t
On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 7:40:44 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 9:10:57 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 1:54:06 PM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote:
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> > multiverse comprising of all possible observations.
This is a conjecture for which no support exists. AG
On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 5:32:37 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
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> *>If you want to know why so many of us are under the spell of MWI and
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On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 8:17:34 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 10:31:05 PM UTC, Jason wrote:
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> Quantum computers represent a disproof of the conjecture that the wave
> function is merely a convenience or tool for estimating probabilities of
> experimental outcomes, rather than something that is real. The reason: it
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On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 11:23:49 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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Quantum computers re
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>> computers. There are some algorithms that allow a QC to calculate
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>>> ?? Quantum computers cannot calculate anything more than classical
>>> com
On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 4:58:07 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
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> *>Why obsess about the alleged FTL collapse of the wf?*
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> FTL is not the problem, every experimental result and every quantum
> interpretation I've ever heard of says information
On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:50:47 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> Nobody claims that this is true. But most of us would I think agree
On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 11:11:56 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
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On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:38:38 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:33:21 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
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On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 4:21:53 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
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>> You can use "itself" only if this "it" can be in multiple locations and
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On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:11:18 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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AFAIK, no one has ever observed a probability wave, from which I conclude
the wave function has only epistemic content. So I have embraced the "shut
up and calculate" interpretation of the wave function. I also see a
connection between the True Believers of the MWI, and Trump sycophants;
they s
As long as the universe is not resolved into individual subsystems *(that
is, no tensor decomposition of the WF)*, there is no measurement problem.
IMO, highly doubtful, or minimally outside the domain of quantum theory
where there is such a thing as measurements, and thus the dualism being
den
On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 10:00:58 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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*No, of course not They're beyond being effected by simple logic, or common
sense, which became extinct not so long ago. They can't
On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 4:43:21 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> AFAIK, no one has ever observed a probability wave, from which I conclude
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> Then you need to explain how that epi
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>> AFAIK, no one has ever observed a probability wave, from which I conclude
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On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 6:47:55 PM UTC, scerir wrote:
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> Il 4 agosto 2018 alle 23.32 agrays...@gmail.com ha scritto:
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> AFAIK, no one has ever observed a probability wave, from which I conclude
> the wave function has only epistemic content. So I have embraced the "shut
> up and calc
On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 5:50:58 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> AFAIK, no one has ever observed
On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 6:22:45 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 10:16:17 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> As long as the universe is not resolved into individual subsystems *(that
> is, no tensor decomposition of the WF)*, there is no measurement problem.
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> IMO, highly doubtful, or minimally outside the domain of quantu
On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 5:33:57 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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> If there is a FTL physical influence, even if there is no info
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On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 7:32:07 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Friday, August 10, 2018 at 4:01:37 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 10:56:00 PM UTC, Bruce wrote:
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> On 11 Aug 2018, at 02:57, Bruce Kellett > wrote:
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> You are the one telling that the Bell’s inequality violation entails FTL
> influence. Personally, I do not dig on that issue,
On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 2:10:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> *I meant to write; Just DO the math! Since QM allows the probability
> calculation for the double slit from minus to plus infinitely for any
> moment in time, it means we hav
On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 2:27:55 PM UTC, Jason wrote:
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On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 1:20:26 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
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TIA, AG
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On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 12:04:03 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> TIA, AG
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Maybe, because a WF exists in the complex plane, it makes no sense to
inquire about its velocity. I dunno. AG
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On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 9:01:25 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> >> How do you explain interference fringes in the two slits? How do you
> explain the different behavio
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On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 10:05:31 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> feeling, as this is not clear. When measuring a spin: there are two
> possible values *for all possibl
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> > when measuring her particle. That will localise her in different
> > branches: so they all have to exist p
Let's say Bruno does a single slit experiment, aka diffraction, and just
one trial. For each possible outcome, there will be a world with a copy of
Bruno. If we assume space-time is continuous, we get an uncountable number
of Brunos for just a single trial. More trials, more uncountable Brunos.
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>> Let's say Bruno does a single slit experiment, aka diffraction, and just
>> one trial. For each possible outcome, there will be a world with a copy of
>> Bruno. If we assume spa
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>> Let's say Bruno does a single slit experiment, aka diffraction, and just
>> one trial. For each possible outcome, there will be a world with a copy of
>> Bruno. If we assume spa
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>>> It’s incredible that the universe is so large, or that classical physics
>>> is wrong, or that irrational numbers exist, or millions of other facts that
>>> might surpri
On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 2:13:32 AM UTC, John Clark wrote:
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On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 5:27:08 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 2:13:32 AM UTC, John Clark wrote:
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> I show you the double slit experiment. David Deutsch said if other worlds
> are just a interpretation of the double slit experiment then
On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 9:51:56 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 10:51:45 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 11:36:47 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
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> From: Bruno Marchal >
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> On 19 Aug 2018, at 09:36, Bruce Kellett > wrote:
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> You do seem to have got yourself into a bit of a tangle, Bruno.
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> What I still do not understand in your view is how can you
On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 10:26:04 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
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> *>So your claim is that because the SWE doesn't say anything about
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> Yes. You could argue that the SWE is in
On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 8:21:06 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 1:19:40 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 19 Aug 2018, at 12:21, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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