Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Edgar L. Owen
are not a good explanation after all. Richard On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Richard, Here's is new research into one possible contributor to ice ages. Edgar Airborne Iron May Have Helped Cause Past Ice Ages 20 March 2014 2:00 pm [image: Life from

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Edgar L. Owen
of the Gulf stream as a possibility based on plate movement. But I favor the change in albedo due to an unstable jet stream known to result from arctic warming. Richard On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Richard, Yes, I noted

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, Here is a much better graph showing the correlation. Edgar On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:34:08 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: Edgar, I gather you have not looked at the link I provided which compares isolation due to the Milankovitch cycles to the Vostok data as well as comparable

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Edgar L. Owen
colder so marmots and rats dig tunnels and are in closer contact, and thus, easier to spread bacilli that are bubonic, pneumonic, etc? -Original Message- From: Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net javascript: To: everything-list everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Sat, Mar 22

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-22 Thread Edgar L. Owen
to still be working now and we can expect global cooling to occur again. Richard On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Spud, Better evidence is that the little ice age was caused by solar variations esp the Maunder minimum. It lasted too long

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Spud, If only dead wood is cut for firewood and cooking you are just recycling a sustainable resource. Unlike coal and oil, firewood quickly and sustainably regenerates. And basically burning dead wood is just speeding up the natural process of the decay of dead trees. So burning dead wood

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Spud, But reducing human overpopulation IS the main problem facing the planet, the ecosystem, and the human species itself. Assuming that increasing technology will somehow solve the problem is, I fear, naive. It is precisely the use of more and more powerful technology that has resulted in

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Edgar L. Owen
resources upon which population is dependent. Edgar On Friday, March 21, 2014 11:49:27 AM UTC-4, jessem wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Spud, But reducing human overpopulation IS the main problem facing the planet, the ecosystem

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Spud, Using firewood properly done does NOT disrupt the forest. I've used firewood for heating most of my life including currently. I use only dead trees from my own property (16 acres), not taking any with nesting holes. Only very rarely do I cut a live tree when it's clearly on its last legs

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-20 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Spud, The best, likely the only, way to protect the environment is to drastically reduce human overpopulation. Down to pre-industrial levels would be a good target ~half to 1 billion... Anyway if we don't do it ourselves the environment will do it for us... Edgar On Thursday, March 20,

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-19 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Brent. Correct to a point and those networks of entanglement form the basis of my theory of how space arises piecewise from quantum events that no one here is interested in exploring even though it resolves all quantum paradox and shows how to unify QT and GR. Ah, well, there is always the

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-19 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Brent, If information is not being lost then the amount of information in the universe is increasing at a tremendous rate as new events occur, and has been since the beginning. So where is all that new information being stored? How can ever increasing amounts of information be being stored in

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-19 Thread Edgar L. Owen
UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Brent, If information is not being lost then the amount of information in the universe is increasing at a tremendous rate as new events occur, and has been since the beginning

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Edgar L. Owen
John, If human overpopulation is not drastically reduced humanely it will inevitably be drastically reduced INhumanely... There are a number of ways to reduce human overpopulation humanely. Mainly by offering sufficient financial incentives to women of child bearing age to undergo voluntary

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-19 Thread Edgar L. Owen
, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Telmo, No, compression is totally unable to explain the storage of total information in a universe which continually doubles its amount of information from one Planck time to the next and continually adds that amount to the cumulative total

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-19 Thread Edgar L. Owen
but not sure if it's clearer... Edgar On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:24:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Mar 2014, at 12:54, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Presumably you do agree that information can't just float around somehow without actually being encoded in actual matter states

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-19 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Liz, et al, The problem with your and other's comments is that, as I've explained before, entropy is NOT fundamental as many seem to think.. The current entropy state depends entirely on the current mix of the four fundamental forces, in particular on whether gravitation is more attractive or

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-16 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Liz, How is going to another planet and screwing that one up too going to help. The problem is not astronomical, it's human nature. The very success of humans as a species depended on the ruthless exploitation of nature and repression of competition. But those exact same aspects of human

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, Yes, it's fun to watch everyone who was dumping on Edgar now dumping on each other even more viciously! So maybe it wasn't Edgar after all, but those who were doing the dumping? :-) Edgar On Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:23:28 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: The situation at everything

Re: Video of VCR

2014-03-16 Thread Edgar L. Owen
. Edgar On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:17:47 AM UTC-4, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:00:48 PM UTC-4, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Craig, Hmmm, let me see. If I just take my eye out of its socket and turn it around then I guess by your theory I'd have self awareness? It's

New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-15 Thread Edgar L. Owen
All, this seems like a very reasonable scenario and is in line with my thinking.. Edgar http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists NASA-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread Edgar L. Owen
All, In terms of the Permian and Cretaceous extinctions the theory I find most compelling in both cases is asteroid strikes whose resulting strike energies were also focused at the antipodes. The energy of the Cretaceous strike off the Yucatan was focused in India where it ruptured the crust

Re: Video of VCR

2014-03-15 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Craig, Hmmm, let me see. If I just take my eye out of its socket and turn it around then I guess by your theory I'd have self awareness? Edgar On Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:09:27 PM UTC-4, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-09 Thread Edgar L. Owen
by humans willy nilly I would be surprised if Brent, a physicist, disagrees with that but I'll let him speak for himself. Edgar On Saturday, March 8, 2014 10:52:32 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 05:10:25AM -0800, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Russell, You actually

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-08 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Liz, Don't you understand the difference between a repeatable observation, which is the basis of science, and human interpretations of reality based on how human minds work? Edgar On Friday, March 7, 2014 11:12:30 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: On 8 March 2014 13:02, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-08 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Russell, You actually claim that the conservation of energy and time invariance depend on how humans see the world? If so I disagree, Edgar On Friday, March 7, 2014 11:53:40 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 05:46:58PM -0800, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Russell

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-08 Thread Edgar L. Owen
John, I don't know where you are getting your data but the data I've seen shows a fairly neat CORRELATION of global temps and CO2. Would you like to give us a link that shows otherwise that is authoritative? Edgar On Saturday, March 8, 2014 1:16:16 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Mar

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-08 Thread Edgar L. Owen
:46:05 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Mar 2014, at 01:02, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Brent, Yes, exactly. The agreement of nearly all minds on the values of empirical observations is truly remarkable. The vast edifice of science whose accuracy is confirmed by the incredibly complex

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-08 Thread Edgar L. Owen
because there can be no deterministic rules to align completely separate spacetime fragments, thus nature must act randomly to align them.. Edgar On Saturday, March 8, 2014 3:53:22 AM UTC-5, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:18:50 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Jason

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-08 Thread Edgar L. Owen
actual proper times. Edgar On Saturday, March 8, 2014 9:31:24 AM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, I guess I'm supposed to take that as a yes? You do agree that A's world line is actually shorter than C's (even

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-08 Thread Edgar L. Owen
times between A and C with your method? And isn't that what you keep telling me CAN'T BE DONE? Edgar On Saturday, March 8, 2014 9:31:24 AM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, I guess I'm supposed to take

Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
All, An empty space within which events occur does not exist. There is no universal fixed pre-existing empty space common to all events and observers. Why? Because we cannot establish its existence by any observation whatsoever. We NEVER observe such an empty space. All we actually observe is

Re: The solar example of a town in Germany

2014-03-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
All, re global warming Global warming slows down Antarctica’s coldest currents, poses huge threathttp://feedproxy.google.com/~r/zmescience/~3/w9XOKUpInB0/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=email Oceanographers believe that Antarctica‘s oceanic waters, which are turning from briny to fresh in

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
This is a big big difference. Edgar On Friday, March 7, 2014 10:31:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Mar 2014, at 13:21, Edgar L. Owen wrote: All, An empty space within which events occur does not exist. There is no universal fixed pre-existing empty space common to all events

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
this we find that the different LENGTHS of world lines between any two spacetime points are due ONLY TO ACCELERATIONS OR GRAVITATION as I previously stated. Do you agree? Edgar On Thursday, March 6, 2014 12:01:53 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Edgar L. Owen edga

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net javascript:wrote: All, An empty space within which events occur does not exist. There is no universal fixed pre-existing empty space common to all events and observers. Why? Because we cannot establish its existence by any observation whatsoever. We NEVER

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
actual universe 'out there' on which minds in general agree no matter how minds work... Edgar On Friday, March 7, 2014 5:03:19 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/7/2014 12:52 PM, LizR wrote: On 8 March 2014 01:21, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net javascript:wrote: All, An empty space

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
On Friday, March 7, 2014 5:08:40 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: On 8 March 2014 10:10, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net javascript:wrote: Liz, You have a point and I devote an entire part of my book on Reality to discussing these kinds of interactions of mind and external computational reality of which

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
:15:57 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, Finally hopefully getting a minute to respond to at least some of your posts. I'm looking at the two 2 world line diagram on your website and I would argue

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Russell, Sure, but that only works if what the similar minds observe is also similar. If similar minds observe different things they will get different answers Edgar On Friday, March 7, 2014 7:23:46 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 04:02:46PM -0800, Edgar L

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
do. If you disagree I can give you another example. Edgar On Friday, March 7, 2014 7:26:38 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, Do you understand why the world line that is depicted as LONGER in the typical

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
leads to consistency problems. At least it seems awfully lonely Edgar On Friday, March 7, 2014 7:36:59 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 04:23:15PM -0800, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Russell, Sure, but that only works if what the similar minds observe is also

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
01:21, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net javascript:wrote: All, An empty space within which events occur does not exist. There is no universal fixed pre-existing empty space common to all events and observers. Why? Because we cannot establish its existence by any observation whatsoever. We

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 04:02:46PM -0800, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Brent, Yes, exactly. The agreement of nearly all minds on the values of empirical observations is truly remarkable. The vast edifice of science whose accuracy is confirmed by the incredibly

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
to directly experience this by actually seeing that everything is actually its information components, and that only. Edgar On Friday, March 7, 2014 8:39:20 PM UTC-5, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, March 8, 2014 12:49:58 AM UTC, Liz R wrote: On 8 March 2014 13:10, Edgar L. Owen edga

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

2014-03-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
javascript:wrote: On 3/7/2014 12:52 PM, LizR wrote: On 8 March 2014 01:21, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net javascript:wrote: All, An empty space within which events occur does not exist. There is no universal fixed pre-existing empty space common to all events and observers. Why? Because

Re: Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

2014-03-06 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Ghibbsa and Bruno, Yes, a fair question. Apparently the committee decided Bruno's paper didn't really deserve the prize. Why was that? Some internal math error discovered? Some inconsistency with other math theory? Or just unwarranted assumptions and conclusions about its application to the

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-06 Thread Edgar L. Owen
, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net javascript:wrote: Jesse, PS: It is well known that accelerations and gravitation are the ONLY causes that produce real actual age rate changes. These real actual age rate changes are real and actual because 1. ALL OBSERVERS AGREE on them when they meet up

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-06 Thread Edgar L. Owen
used actual ages synchronized at birth (twins) to avoid that kind of misunderstanding. Edgar On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 4:23:54 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, Yes, but respectfully, what I'm saying

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-06 Thread Edgar L. Owen
:41:17 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, Yes, the views are infinite on several axes, but that can be addressed simply by enumerating views at standard intervals on those axes. But velocity intervals which

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-06 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, I don't think this is correct. It is meaningless to try to TAKE THE FRAME VIEW OF ALL FRAME VIEWS. That's not the correct way to look at it. What we do is to take all frame views of any ONE proper time correlation. Every frame view will give one and only one EXACT answer of how close

Re: Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

2014-03-06 Thread Edgar L. Owen
be a whole panel of judges to approve it, and the whole panel to reject it. Edgar On Thursday, March 6, 2014 5:58:55 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 06:15:14AM -0800, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Ghibbsa and Bruno, Yes, a fair question. Apparently the committee decided

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-05 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, First I see no conclusion that demonstrates INtransitivity here or any contradiction that I asked for. Did I miss that? But that really doesn't matter because second, you are NOT using MY method because you are using ANOTHER coordinate clock FRAME rather than the frame views of the

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-05 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, Here's another point for you to ponder: You claim that all frame views are equally valid. What would you say the weighted mean of all frame views is? I would suspect that it converges towards my solution. It is clear from your own analysis that it does converge to my solution as

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-05 Thread Edgar L. Owen
! Edgar On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 2:32:25 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Mar 2014, at 20:14, Edgar L. Owen wrote: I only insult people who insult me first, No. You have insulted many people a long time before they react to the insult. You arrive in a list, and you don't seem

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-05 Thread Edgar L. Owen
OF ALL VIEWS tends to converge on my solution, which is what I meant to say. Sort of like a Bell curve distribution with a point at top representing my solution Would you agree to that? Edgar On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 11:00:19 AM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Edgar L

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-05 Thread Edgar L. Owen
in Edgar On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:36:10 AM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, First I see no conclusion that demonstrates INtransitivity here or any contradiction that I asked for. Did I miss that? No, I

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-05 Thread Edgar L. Owen
lack of simultaneity between two events Nonsiimultaneity=(t1-t2) and plot it relative to the simultaneity that my method claims is actual. Edgar On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 2:13:24 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-05 Thread Edgar L. Owen
no evidence you are even able to do that Edgar On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 2:13:24 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, Yes, you are right. I phrased it incorrectly. What I meant to say was not that each

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-04 Thread Edgar L. Owen
are just endlessly repeating what you read in some relativity textbook without using simple logic to determine its proper application Edgar On Monday, March 3, 2014 5:51:25 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-04 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Bruno, It may be that some plants respond to music or at least to sound but to claim some plants love music is an unwarranted anthropomorphism that demonstrates a rather 'New Agey' mentality. Can you link me to any slow motion videos in which plants move IN SYNCH WITH MUSIC? I rather doubt it

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-04 Thread Edgar L. Owen
. is true of symmetric cases, and 2. is true of all cases... Edgar On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 12:19:27 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, I'm interested in finding the truth, not in assigning blame. The important

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-04 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Marchal wrote: Edgar, On 04 Mar 2014, at 15:02, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Bruno, It may be that some plants respond to music or at least to sound but to claim some plants love music is an unwarranted anthropomorphism that demonstrates a rather 'New Agey' mentality. Can you link me to any

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-04 Thread Edgar L. Owen
4, 2014 2:19:46 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, You ask me to choose between 1. and 2. 1. If B's proper age at this point in spacetime is T, then C's proper age at this point in spacetime must be T as well

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-04 Thread Edgar L. Owen
disagree. The current discussion is about choice of frames though. Check my latest post for a synopsis of one case.. Edgar On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 2:56:49 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/4/2014 11:19 AM, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-04 Thread Edgar L. Owen
just another disagreement over choice of frames that were assumed, then give me a simple example, the simplest you can come up with. Edgar On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 4:37:32 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-03 Thread Edgar L. Owen
receivers both moving relative to each other and at distance from each other. if it didn't, it couldn't work. So even relativity tells us this is possible. Edgar On Sunday, March 2, 2014 7:52:12 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript

An official friendly challenge to Brent, or anybody else interested in QT..

2014-03-03 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Brent, et al, I officially challenge anyone to poke any holes in my theory of how spacetime emerges from quantum events or prove it wrong. If no one takes me up on the challenge I'll have to assume everyone accepts it by default. I claim the theory 1. Resolves all quantum paradox 2. Provides

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-03 Thread Edgar L. Owen
, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, Your position becomes more and more absurd. My position is simply that for any question on which different frames give different answers, there is no physical basis for judging one frame's judgments to be reality while others are not. I

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-03 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Liz, Thanks but P-time doesn't need to be rescued from relativity since it's completely consistent with relativity, though apparently not with some people's interpretation of relativity. Edgar On Monday, March 3, 2014 1:42:48 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: By the way, a friend suggested how Edgar's

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-03 Thread Edgar L. Owen
this is the ERROR in your example. Therefore it does NOT generate a result in which A's proper age is both 0 and 20 at the same point in spacetime. Edgar On Monday, March 3, 2014 1:50:40 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote

Re: An official friendly challenge to Brent, or anybody else interested in QT..

2014-03-03 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Liz, The 'results' and the 'everything' are the actual information state of the universe. There is NO separate storage of anything other than the current information state of the universe. The current information state of the universe is continually being computed by the computations. No, it

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-02 Thread Edgar L. Owen
it and then try to disprove it works. Edgar On Saturday, March 1, 2014 5:51:37 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, Let me ask you one simple question. In the symmetric case where the twins part and then meet up again

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-02 Thread Edgar L. Owen
, 2014 1:18:27 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, To address your points in order: 1. Yes, you said that proper ages are invariant. But note the important point that the proper age of A to himself is a direct

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-02 Thread Edgar L. Owen
in principle as any non criss cross trip. Therefore there must also be proper age correlations (at every second) for ALL symmetric trips. Edgar On Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:37:13 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-02 Thread Edgar L. Owen
that there is any correlation of actual ages possible. Is that correct? Edgar On Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:37:13 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, I'll address your points in a later post, but first let me run

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-02 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, OK good, that's what I assumed you meant. BUT now take the two twins at rest standing on opposite sides of the earth, and then they each start walking in different directions. By your criterion you then have to say that suddenly and instantly there is NO more 1:1 correlation of their

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-02 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Brent, You claim my p-time theory sounds outrageous but you haven't been able to meaningfully comment on my many demonstrations of how it actually works that I've made to Jesse. For example Jesse claims that there is no 1:1 correlation of proper ages of twins separated by distance in relative

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-01 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Bruno, This is incorrect. We know truth by its consistency across scope. The universe is consistent. A person is part of the universe. People have no direct knowledge of the universe. They have only their internal mental simulation of the universe. To the extent that simulation is consistent

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-01 Thread Edgar L. Owen
but am certainly willing to consider your 'proof'. Edgar On Friday, February 28, 2014 11:55:40 AM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: You point out that from the POV of all arbitrary frames they won't be, BUT the point

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-01 Thread Edgar L. Owen
of establishing the 1:1 correlation what's your proof this is incorrect? Edgar On Friday, February 28, 2014 1:28:01 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, First I would appreciate it if you didn't snip my

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-01 Thread Edgar L. Owen
javascript:wrote: On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, Of course there is a rational justification for selecting one frame over another in many cases. All frames are NOT equal when it comes to representing ACTUAL physical facts. E.g. we can

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-01 Thread Edgar L. Owen
On Saturday, March 1, 2014 11:42:18 AM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, Of course there is a rational justification for selecting one frame over another in many cases. All frames are NOT equal when it comes

Re: Is information physical?

2014-03-01 Thread Edgar L. Owen
the true value of. On 2 March 2014 12:34, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Friday, February 28, 2014 8:54:19 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.net wrote: information does need a substrate in which to manifest. That seems

Re: Block Universes

2014-03-01 Thread Edgar L. Owen
with respect to an invariant notion of proper ages that we CANNOT unambiguously observe, why can't we use calculation and deduction with proper age simultaneity as well? Edgar On Saturday, March 1, 2014 5:51:37 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga

Re: Is information physical?

2014-02-28 Thread Edgar L. Owen
All, In the computational theory of reality I present in my book, information is not physical, but it is real and is the fundamental component of reality, Information is what computes physicality, or more accurately what is interpreted as physicality in the minds of organismic beings in their

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-02-28 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Chris, For a computational universe to even exist it must be consistently logico-mathematical. If it weren't the inconsistencies would cause it to tear itself apart and thus it couldn't exist. This is where the math comes from. If a computational universe exists, and ours does, it must be

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-02-28 Thread Edgar L. Owen
wrote: On Friday, February 28, 2014 8:46:47 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Chris, For a computational universe to even exist it must be consistently logico-mathematical. If it weren't the inconsistencies would cause it to tear itself apart and thus it couldn't exist. Unless consistency

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-28 Thread Edgar L. Owen
: On 26 Feb 2014, at 15:32, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Stathis, At least we AGREE there is NO empirical evidence for a block universe. There is no evidence for a universe. (in the usual aristotelian sense of the word). But there is OVERWHELMING evidence for flowing time and a present

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-28 Thread Edgar L. Owen
: On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Jesse, My understanding of the first part of your reply is though proper time is ONLY one's reading of one's own clock (as I stated) it IS possible for any other observer to calculate that proper time and always

Re: Is information physical?

2014-02-28 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Spud, Based on a computational universe all things are just information states. Thus computational changes to any information state constitutes a generic experience (what I call an Xperience). Thus any information state is in effect a generic observer. This is a neat and useful definition

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-28 Thread Edgar L. Owen
this make it clear what my theory is trying to do? The theory is based on pair wise correlations, not invariance Edgar On Friday, February 28, 2014 11:55:40 AM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: You point out that from

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-28 Thread Edgar L. Owen
that's the way that 1p zombies 1p clones operate? Anyway I do answer all serious questions... Edgar On Friday, February 28, 2014 12:42:26 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Feb 2014, at 04:45, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript

Re: Is information physical?

2014-02-28 Thread Edgar L. Owen
it to life and makes it real and actual... And yes that's me. Thanks for your kind comment! Edgar On Friday, February 28, 2014 3:54:19 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: information does need a substrate in which

Re: Is information physical?

2014-02-28 Thread Edgar L. Owen
to distinguish that from H-physics. Edgar On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:34:10 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:04:29 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: John, I agree that the substrate that information manifests in is NOT physical, it is abstract in the sense

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-02-28 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Brent, Yes, that's consistent with the theory I present in my book. Specifically that computational reality itself is continuous in the sense that there are NO separate individual things. This continuous reality does however contain overlapping computational domains based on dynamic

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-02-28 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Brent, Are you addressing that question to me? You are responding to a post by Liz talking about your theory. If so I'll be glad to answer. Edgar On Friday, February 28, 2014 6:14:42 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 2/28/2014 2:43 PM, LizR wrote: If anyone is looking for the source of

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Guys, David Koch can't be all bad since he is a major financial supporter of the PBS 'Nova' programs. His name appears in the opening credits of all of them... Edgar On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:10:33 AM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote: Stop right there. You complain about the Koch's

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-27 Thread Edgar L. Owen
On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 10:45:51 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript: wrote: Can you agree to this at least? To repeat what I said in my second-to-last post: 'If you continue to ask me Do you agree? type questions while

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-27 Thread Edgar L. Owen
start making up other frames on me here. Just compare the proper times of those coordinate clocks. Do they all run at the same rate or not? Edgar On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:56:08 AM UTC-5, jessem wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Edgar L. Owen edga...@att.netjavascript

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