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(My response to Einstein: God *does* play
, although we can argue that Maharishi is acting
from dementia now, he was the guy who tried to save us
from our own madness, and for some of us, succeeded.
- patrick
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This, from a friend:
As for bringing democracy to Iraq, someone said to
me the other day that its like the person driving around
the countryside of Ireland looking for Dublin. When he
stopped to ask a local former for directions, the farmer
thought for a moment, and then said, 'The only
shempmcgurk wrote:
As for being on the front line against the Nazis, my memory is that
their boat was in the Pacific, not the Atlantic.
Right you are. Greenwald is generalizing from Queeg to
all career warriors everywhere.
I do remember it being one of the best roles Humphrey Bogart
shempmcgurk wrote:
Gillam wrote:
Have you read the Aubrey-Maturin novels of Patrick
O'Brien?
Nois he the one that wrote the book Master and Commander made
into the Russell Crowe movie?
The very same. I shoulda referred to the movie, but didn't
think of it in favor of being an
Rick Archer wrote:
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I didn't go see [Hotel Rwanda] because I can't
stomach the thought of seeing yet
one more movie about a holocaust...
I liked it, for what it's worth.
It was tough, but the overwhelming impression is of
here the wrong way,
but it's the kind of conservative thinking that I, for one, miss
among the Republicans. Hard-nosed, pragmatic realism.
Not this fantasy world that Wolfowitz passed along to Cheney
and Cheney smeared onto Bush.
- Patrick Gillam
P.S. If anyone here has read Oswald Spengler
shempmcgurk wrote:
In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood,
the common man and the disadvantaged.
Isn't this typical of ideologues? No violence to great for the higher good?
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Yet, somehow, it is fashionable today to wear Che T-Shirts and to make
movies about his early years, whether it's riding a motorcycle or
singing to Madonna and the Perons.
Violent fundamentalism is in! Get with it, everyone! Show you
of spiritual
purpose along with the satisfactions that arise from
tangible achievements.
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for a moment the school of thought which holds that all life is a lie.
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authfriend wrote:
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Peter wrote:
Korean War
Vietnam War
Iraq War 1
Iraq War 2
All really crappy reasons to die
I suspect that veterans take umbrage against anti-war
movements because the movements are saying, Your
friends died for crappy
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Why Cindy Sheehan is Right!
By David Duke
Is this the former Klu Klux Klan leader David Duke?
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I suspect that veterans take umbrage against anti-war
movements because the movements are saying, Your
friends died for crappy reasons and You've based your
self-image on a lie.
I think the reasons you stated for veterans opposing
going through.
Please accept my condolences.
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really follow that thread and
would appreciate an edited summary of its arguments.
If anyone does it, thanks!
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detention centers that include TM in their daily schedules.
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loony, from
Ken Kesey's _One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest_, but in
France they may follow a different taxonomy.
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compassion reinforcing the story
I use to hide from my true nature as a liberated being?
My post sheds no light; I write this merely to give voice to
what the thread has elicited in me, and to acknowledge the
contributions of other thread participants. Thanks, all.
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, pursuing MMY's
purification path instead of the tough love approach of the
that seminar.
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Perhaps the appropriate question is, How is what the
teacher is saying affecting me? Do I find it
liberating--does it inspire me to expand into it, to
drop my boundaries--or do I experience it as constricting,
a
TurquoiseB wrote:
Actually, in Cuckoo's Nest, it's really bull-goose loony.
Wow. All these years I've had it wrong. Thus is the knowledge lost.
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snip
In our Philosophy of Science core course at MIU in 1977, David
Clay deconstructed the stress theory and clarified its
shortcomings
spends being aware of
awareness itself.
Over time, one's awareness of the stillness grows.
Or so the theory goes. My experience pretty much bears
it out, so I'm willing to parrot the theory here.
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you from being enlightened
TM defines stress as an overload of experience. Well,
what's ignorance? It's when experience overshadows the
awareness of awareness itself. Maharishi's definition of
stress is a Westernized definition of ignorance.
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Comments interleaved below.
--- sparaig wrote:
--- Patrick Gillam wrote:
sparaig wrote:
I think there's a problem with Clay's own understanding of stress
and TM, if he presented things that way:
David Clay didn't define stress in any way at all. He simply
summed up
Comments interleaved below.
Patrick Gillam wrote:
Maybe Rick can find time to poll people who abstained
to get their perspectives on the experience.
Rick Archer wrote:
Anyone can start a poll, but I'm convinced that celibacy has been very good
for me. I think I needed
TurquoiseB wrote:
In my experience, the benefit comes from the questioning,
not from finding answers. The more I ask the questions,
the less I know, and the happier I seem to be.
It's the Byron Katie work applied to everything.
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to a lot of careers, I think,
as green people found themselves doing more
than they ever could have done had they been
in school or worked entry-level jobs.
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, Judy? Are you being sarcastic?
Densely,
Patrick Gillam
What I saw as Hillary listened to one person's story of suffering
was subtle and difficult to convey: I could clearly see and feel that
Hillary was seeing this person as consciousness itself, free of all
limiting definitions of mind
Responses interleaved below.
Patrick Gillam wrote:
I still don't understand how Sat Yuga could have
dawned in the first place; I thought its coming
depended on superradiance numbers, pundit
thresholds and other contributors to a rising
collective consciousness -- thresholds
people at
that time, celibacy was a good thing.
Maybe Rick can find time to poll people who abstained
to get their perspectives on the experience.
- Patrick Gillam
P.S. I've only been following these discussions with one
eye, but it's fascinating to see how we read meanings
into things. It's
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Rory (I think):
*lol* Very nice! Apparently, if you want to work with a whole
population of trespassers, you may have the best luck if you come
from your heart and visualize the deva of that population, perhaps
as a
for strangers?
Even in the depths of ignorance, Unity tries to live in us each day.
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Unity tries to live in us each day.
Jeff Fischer wrote:
Isn't Unity what we are, rather than something that lives in us?
Isn't that what we're trying to realize?
To the ignorant, unity is something trying to get out,
to make itself known, to stop being
that downloads faster.
My designer is all set to give me copies of his
Adobe products, but I'd just as soon stay legal.
Karma, you know -- this is for my portfolio.
If you'd like to reply off-list to keep the clutter
down, I'm sure everyone will appreciate it.
Thank you kindly!
- Patrick Gillam
religious cult would be, what? The Amish?
Mennonites? Quakers? What else do they have in Pennsylvania?
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Peter wrote:
I love the term, pseudo-religious cult. Is the
religious pseudo or is the cult pseudo or is the the
religious cult
Peter wrote:
Pseudo goats?
Which reminds me of what the conceited emperor
wears: pseudo clothes!
Ba-dum BUM!
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cardemaister wrote:
It certainly is worth yer while to watch the
lap top demo of the 5th day of guru-puurNimaa!
The crash and thunder and all!
Hey am duH kham a naagatam!
Cardemaster, you got me stumped. What are you saying?
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Patrick O'Brian has a scene in one of his early
Aubrey/Maturin novels in which Jack tells
Stephen that crewmen convicted of fornicating with
the livestock must be hanged -- along with the
animal in question. Stephen clarifies that Jack
may, at his discretion as captain, be lenient, a
have an audience of spiritually-oriented
people here, I have to ask: how's business?
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to read you here until that book is done.
Such are my expectations.
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to you.
Good luck, and get lost.
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work-related
malaise others might be experiencing as an excuse
on your own behalf.
Was that understandable?
I will, of course, save this e-mail for personal
relection at moments when there is little work on my desk!
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Llundrub wrote:
So if I'm correct, he said take Byron Katie and shove her up your ass?
Yeah. As I said, he's a pal.
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to Wal-Mart and all the
other stores that now dominate retailing.
Think of all the vaastu-compliant buildings built by
now-closed businesses in Fairfield.
For all of you laboring in cramped, inadequate quarters, be thankful.
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ask Perry.
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preventing our
awakening to
what is already there, talking about the mistake of the intellect and what
have you.
In short, for me, it might be fairer to fault my understanding than MMY's
attempts to
straighten it out.
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Poster's note:
Roger Nelson's Global Consciousness Project
has been mentioned a few times in this forum.
Now it has a Yahoo group, noted below, along
with some other links that may interest some here.
So I'm posting the newsletter below.
- Patrick Gillam
working
with Gangaji. So it's not as if he hasn't spent time
with the real deal before clapping on the headphones
and getting synched.
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in grokking these
teachings to all my years of TM. Jai Guru Dev.
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Peter Sutphen wrote:
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Byron Katie isn't much good at showing me how
my ego screws up my life, but she is a genius at
bursting the beliefs that make life difficult.
I see BK as very clearly revealing the attachment
points
had more to
do with whom Jesus chose to appear before than who had
the ability to perceive his post-crucifiction body.
I've wondered as I've dipped into these discussions of
sidhis and perception whether the dynamics discussed
here explain the intermittency of those Jesus sightings.
- Patrick
. Then, with grace, you may wake up.
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jim_flanegin wrote:
Challenge ruthlessly, non-stop, every concept and idea and feeling
of yourself and your world and everyone in it, until there is
nothing left. Then you will wake up.
That's how you did it, Jim?
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of marketing
should not stop Maharishi and the remaining
believers to try this last fling. Counterintuitive
actions work sometimes.
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Missed a meeting with the new TM teacher here in Tucson, but learned
at
threshold levels for any length of time. Yet
here, Maharishi says, is Sat Yuga. How'd it
happen? Does he ascribe this achievement to
anything? Were those thresholds more for a
smooth transition than for ensuring the
transition happened in the first place?
Thanks in advance.
- Patrick Gillam
, and masterful.
For a fun read and simple tricks you can do to
amaze your friends, pick up the Klutz book of
magic. It's witty and clever and shows how much
skill goes into misdirecting an audience.
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Cute, but none of these have a kijo (season word) in them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kigo
Handful of asters
Sounds that give way to silence
Where are the students?
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to greet the rising moon.
I don't suppose anything like that happened in
Fairfield?
It sounded like fun! Loopy, but fun.
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Ingegerd wrote:
Conny Larssons book is for sale, telling what
happens when men and women [are] gathered
in the same place. I have not read the book.
But it has send some waves of chock
among the Sidhas in Norway
Ingegerd, it's book about Sai Baba, yes?
- Patrick Gillam
Maybe L B would like to translate and publish it in the United States.
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Ingegerd wrote:
Conny Larssons book is for sale
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old man's portrait hangs
in empty domes and centers
no laughter, no light
Cute, but none of these have a kijo (season word) in them.
would hope we could hear your answer, Off World.
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off_world_beings wrote:
I think you need to answer the question
I asked several posts back about keeping
the purity of the teaching.
Patrick Gillam wrote:
Yes, this is the Big Question. Around here, people
seem to have answered it in a number of ways:
Judy Stein
While looking for somethign else, I stumbled
across the list below. It dovetails with a discussion
in another thread, so I thought I'd post it for the
Chick Power types in the crowd.
found at http://tinyurl.com/94b6u
108 Female Siddhas, Dakinis, Yoginis and Tantric Adepts
Recently a famous
I've read one or two people here describe themselves
as tantrics. What do you mean when you say that?
No hidden agenda. Just want tantra defined by someone
who might be able to put it in context for me.
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in meditation. I expect that
program is no more.
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was deceiving myself.
Now, as you suggested I do, Off World, I'm examing
my belief that the purity of Maharishi's teaching
depends upon some behavior of mine. This discussion
is all about me. Maharishi has nothing to do with it.
Thanks for your input.
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question implies, I'm not seeing them.
I've reposted Erik's op-ed piece below as a reference.
- Patrick Gillam
July 14, 2005
The Fairfield Ledger
Opinion
A tale of two gurus
Could the Transcendental Meditation movement learn a thing or two from 'the
Hugging Saint'?
By Erik Gable
Rick Archer
program any more.
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Patrick Gillam wrote:
TM teachers must be
recertified to remain TM teachers.
wmurphy77 wrote:
Is that true??? Recertified?
Unless they've been recertified, people who were
once qualified to teach the Transcendental Meditation
technique of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi are not to teach
persona non grata there. I'm thinking
of Shri Shri Ravi Shankar exponents Sid Slagter and
Larry Kline, for example. Now, I could be wrong --
it could be they chose not to attend. But the word
at the time was, they weren't welcome.
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. But
the possibility deserves tracking.
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Ah. Perhaps Erik will now turn his investigative skills to,
say, the attitude of local churches
if not to
find an impediment to admission?
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Our summer of Tom Cruise's madness and Katie Holmes' creepy path
toward zombie bridedom has been a useful reminder of how truly strange
Scientology is. By now those interested in the
sparaig wrote:
I think your participation on this forum
suggests a certain amount of holding on
concerning all things TM and TMO and MMY.
Couldn't there be many other reasons for participating in this forum?
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that, should I ever attain rajahood, I would not
have to shave mine.
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Peter Sutphen wrote:
It was a kick to see my old classmate Bob
LoPinto in the photos.
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Patrick, when did you attend MIU? I attended '74 to
'78. I was happy to to see ol' bliss ninny Bob up
there. I didn't know him that well. I think he was a
few years behaind me
Peter Sutphen wrote:
The collective samkalpa
(intent) would produce very powerful effects for the
participants. Imagine a mass the lasted for seven days
with the sincere offering of heart and mind to the
Divine by all the participants. All pure hearts, pure
minds with clear intent. That
its material on the Web.
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in larger budgets. Having made
that analogy, I'll leave it to Lawson to explain what he means.
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Rick Archer wrote:
I heard they were organizing a charter. I wonder if they'll fill it.
TurquoiseB wrote:
Ya never know. The turnout might surprise us all,
one way or another.
Unc, you could biff over to Vlodrop and report
on the event for us, could you not?
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saying, 'I love you.'
My eyes tear up just writing the lyric.
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I imagine that donation is sold as something
of a yagya -- a sacrifice that garners the goodwill
of the gods.
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University has
it much at all any more. Can't say why.
Maybe it's from doing it lying down.
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I received my first Primodial Sound, many years ago from Dr. Chopra.
The sound was for thhe head and neck, and Dr. Chopra said
barada nikto, and John
said, Come back in three days for checking.
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much one's level of consciousness
enters into one's political leanings. That would make an
interesting research project for some institution that studies
growth of consciousness and tries to relate it to social
trends. Know of any such place?
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,
which prompts hallucinations, which lead to religions.
Under that theory, LSD might simply compound the
problem by generating another religion.
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further
examination.
- Patrick Gillam
Peter Sutphen wrote:
the null
hypothesis must be rejected to prove the research
correct. In the Maharishi Effect (ME) research the
null hypothesis is that any reduction of negative
trends is by chance. Most of the ME research has
methodological problems
the research. So I ask
these questions to see what others have to say.
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, and not everything maps.
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, and question whether that moral behavior
is all it's cracked up to be.
- Patrick Gillam
An aside:
Fundamentalists like to talk about absolute standards
for moral behavior. But the relativists among us, pussies
that we are, aren't comfortable with such absolutes. So
we derive an entire
studies extant at the time (1978
or '79) and pronounced 25% to be junk, 50% to be of
common rigor and 25% to be tight, solid research. Can't
remember who reported that, however. Makes a big
difference whether Keith Wallace said it or a graduate
student said it.
- Patrick Gillam
Judy Stein quotes:
Stage 1 Punishment/Obedience - Consequentialism.
This stage is characterized by avoidance of
punishment and unquestioning deference to power
as values in themselves. Simple Hedonism.
snip
stage 7, where
univeral concern for humanity is combined with
a concern for all
Rick Crukstrom wrote:
the beanie wasn't strapped on and now I'm all
anxious thinking that at some point it's going to come off and the
poor little guy is going to crash to the ground.
That bugged me too! Humpty Dumpty syndrome.
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appeared quickly, with little delay.
The first, longer post appeared early this morning,
about 17 hours after first posting it. Hence my
redundant posts.
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