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Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 9:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's declining brain functioning
Nice that we all can agree on so much here.
World Peace is just
Funny about the knee. I had a similar experience after I first got my siddhis
in Santa Barabara. Had some kind of dry skin patch on my leg, and after
focusing on it after doing my siddhis, the thing went away, almost instantly.
Consciousness informs material life, and produces miraculous
Pardon my common sense, but all of this spinning, based on a few moments of
videotape, strikes me as unscientific in the extreme. A bit of mental midgetry,
imo. Might as well be speculating on the motives of Kim Kardashian, for all any
of us knew of Maharishi during his last days.
---In
I don't get it? No, Curtis, I get it, EXACTLY. Why not just go kick a dog next
time, or ruminate on your less than spectacular success? What a loser.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
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His
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
Who ever said that Maharishi's consciousness was functioning independently
from his brain?
He did. The idea that consciousness is some lower order part of physics means
that it is functionally different from the cells of the
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
Funny about the knee. I had a similar experience after I first got my siddhis
in Santa Barabara. Had some kind of dry skin patch on my leg, and after
focusing on it after doing my siddhis, the thing went away, almost
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
Pardon my common sense, but all of this spinning, based on a few moments of
videotape, strikes me as unscientific in the extreme. A bit of mental midgetry,
imo. Might as well be speculating on the motives of Kim
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
Pardon my common sense, but all of this spinning, based on a few moments of
videotape, strikes me as unscientific in the extreme. A bit of mental
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
Pardon my common sense, but all of this spinning, based on a few moments of
to include
every experience under the sun.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 9:46 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's declining brain functioning
---In FairfieldLife
Old age does something strange to many people but not all. My father started to
mentally stumble when he was 85, a friend of mine is 97 and fit as a fiddle. My
guess it's hereditary. Maharishi became more than 90 years old, of course he
wasn't as fit as when 50 or 70, it's only normal.
That
Good morning - A couple of observations -- First, enlightened people only think
when they want to, or need to. That endless loop of thoughts, running mental
energy in a circle, so common in waking state, is just about absent in an
enlightened state. Lots of people refer to a state of grace,
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
I don't get it? No, Curtis, I get it, EXACTLY.
M: No you obviously don't. The guys trademark was his gift of gab. He was the
giggling guru to the press. He could charm the pants off of any skeptical
reporter with witty
I would say that both your reactive posting history here and Maharishi on that
tape provide clear counter-evidence to you analogies on parade claims below.
Balanced intellect is a meaningless phrase you are parroting to sound
profound. I think it works better in a dhoti surrounded by flowers.
I think Curtis has a point, MMY didn't always answer questions directly, I
believe he felt the ends justified the means and yes, he did use hyperbole. But
to see him as a money grubbing fool is missing the point. MMY was a religious
Hindu fundamentalist, IMHO, which explains everything! He
Do we really have much evidence for such suppositions? Mental decline can
happen to anyone. Maharishi did seem to me to be a bit out of it in his last
years. Some participants in the Washington D.C. course in 2006 told me he spoke
on the phone but was certainly not himself as in the past, and
World - 1 Curtis - 0
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
I would say that both your reactive posting history here and Maharishi on that
tape provide clear counter-evidence to you analogies on parade claims below.
Balanced intellect is a meaningless phrase you
] Re: Maharishi's declining brain functioning
Good morning - A couple of observations -- First, enlightened people only
think when they want to, or need to. That endless loop of thoughts, running
mental energy in a circle, so common in waking state, is just about absent in
an enlightened
library this morning. Should have my
new Dell this afternoon.
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
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Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's declining brain functioning
I totally agree that Maharishi was a believer in his Hindu religious beliefs.
Unfortunately that included a view of dispensable Westerners as cash cows for
his holy purposes. He called us non Indians the mix ups in India because we
could not trace our shakka clan lineage. He used us for the
This video was done during a long series of interviews shortly before Maharishi
died and shows a mentally very fit man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu3oqlYO268
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu3oqlYO268
Curtis is trying to distract attention from his own misery on the streets and
That is what a balanced intellect produces huh? Impressive Jim.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
World - 1 Curtis - 0
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
I would say that both your reactive posting history here and
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
I
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
This video was done during a long series of interviews shortly before
Maharishi died and shows a mentally very fit man.
M: If this was taken around the same time then it shows that he can still give
his claims on parade
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: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:17 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's declining brain functioning
Old age does something strange to many people but not all. My father started to
mentally stumble when he was 85
1, 2014 10:36 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's declining brain functioning
Good morning - A couple of observations -- First, enlightened people only think
when they want to, or need to. That endless loop of thoughts, running mental
energy in a circle, so common in waking state
of reactions!
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 11:42 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's declining brain functioning
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater
Right on bro, and anyone who can play a guitar, harmonica and drum is OK in my
book! ;-) I also question whether he actually bought into the ME effect,
apparently Hagelin's idea? Helen Lutes apparently once said, He tricked us
into being spiritual, so yeah, MMY thought the ends justified the
Nice that we all can agree on so much here. World Peace is just a matter of
money, (to support the group program).
Evidently it should be better if we all would support the program more.
I feel Maharishi was a modern scientist just looking to fund research.
He did some pretty large science
I'm afraid you fall into the Michael camp, sal, unable to make distinctions
about enlightenment, in the same way he is unable to make distinctions.
Enlightenment, or the growth towards enlightenment, is really no big deal. It
is mostly a private, quiet affair.
Sure MMY played up all these
I think it is a good question, Ann.
I have no anecdotal evidence.
The only thing I can speculate about, and that is from books, or accounts I
have read, is that enlightened people tend to check out before things get too
severe.
Yes, I anticipate all the barbs about MMY, but in this
: Maharishi's declining brain functioning
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
Pardon my common sense, but all of this spinning, based on a few moments of
videotape, strikes me as unscientific
Hey Curtis,
That was pretty funny. I think you got him down pretty well.
I would say he certainly showed the effects of old age.
As to what that says about enlightenment, or his enlightenment, I can say.
Really, I don't think it says much.
People get old and they get cranky.
Neat insight, Bill.
Yes, I would say just as plausible as the other ill conceived motives pushed
so hard by others here.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
I think Curtis has a point, MMY didn't always answer questions directly, I
believe he felt the
I wish, I had time to read all of sal's bit here. Is he just a rationalist,
believing only what science has proved thus far, and dismissing what can be
gleaned subjectively.
Sort of a shame I think.
I have had intuitions or subjective insights, that have played out very well
in the
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's declining brain functioning
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Thanks ye.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Neat insight, Bill.
Yes, I would say just as plausible as the other ill conceived motives pushed
so hard by others here.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
I think Curtis
cant say (meant to say)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Hey Curtis,
That was pretty funny. I think you got him down pretty well.
I would say he certainly showed the effects of old age.
As to what that says about enlightenment, or his enlightenment, I
On 10/31/2014 5:15 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
I was angry, because I honestly thought that someone in his condition
should not be allowed to appear like that in public without help or
any sort of explanation, what were they thinking over in Vlodrop?
//Over here in the USA, your prejudice is
On 10/31/2014 5:15 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
I don't think he retained any focus, it was awful to watch from my
seat. He was rambling a lot in the last few years, and repeating himself.
/The only focus MMY had was to teach you how to get the enlightenment -
the lack of focus was your own, since
On 10/31/2014 5:37 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
You don't get it because you were never around the guy. His diminished
capacity was a shock to me. Trying to label it inflammatory nonsense
doesn't make the problem go away. It isn't his poor health I am
commenting on, it
On 10/31/2014 6:31 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Who ever said that Maharishi's consciousness was functioning
independently from his brain?
Maharishi made it clear ovr and over again that the state of a
person's physiology dictated what kind of consciousness they had.
On 10/31/2014 7:46 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Nappy is the most pathetic individual on FFL for sure - you slobber
and fawn over Marshy and the TMO, an organization that considers you a
pariah for your UFO and Benjy Creme addiction - they consider TM
On 11/1/2014 10:29 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Ironically, after nearly twenty years in Silicon Valley, aka The Home
Of All The Laws Of Networking, I have Internet service that is ten
times faster, up here! Hope you enjoy your new Dell.
/It's not all that
The logical conclusion is that, by Maharishi's theory, Maharishi wasn't
perfectly enlightened.
Was there still question in your mind about this?
I heard him talk about how the consciousness of the world wouldn't support the
most refined states of consciousness and automatically assumed
We already know you are a zero, it's probably hereditary.
And the difference between Maharishi in old age and my own father can only be
seen clearly in the zeros in their bank accounts.
What struck me because I have spent quite a bit of time around old people in
the last few years and it seemed obvious that Maharishi was clearly suffering
from the diminished capacity of age and very likely dementia. He was not well.
Um, have you ever actually spent hours at a time with each
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
What struck me because I have spent quite a bit of time around old people in
the last few years and it seemed obvious that Maharishi was clearly suffering
from the diminished capacity of age and very likely dementia. He
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
What struck me because I have spent quite a bit of time around old people in
the last few years and it seemed obvious that Maharishi was clearly suffering
from the diminished capacity of age and very likely dementia. He
His health suffered, but this inflammatory nonsense from Curtis, is just that.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
What struck me because I have spent quite a bit of time around old
What I wonder about is why anyone would take seriously a clown who's life is
begging for pity and a few dollars on street-corners. The reason why he lash
out now is because someone dared challenge his grandiose notion that the noise
he creates is art simply because someone foolishly and out of
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
The logical conclusion is that, by Maharishi's theory, Maharishi wasn't
perfectly enlightened.
Was there still question in your mind about this?
M: I place the belief in enlightenment on the same level as being saved so I
suspect
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
His health suffered, but this inflammatory nonsense from Curtis, is just that.
M: You don't get it because you were never around the guy. His diminished
capacity was a shock to me. Trying to label it inflammatory nonsense
Hey tourettes troll, give it a rest. Your strategy of distraction doesn't work
any more, I am done with that topic and have moved on. Come up with something
smart and interesting to show how wrong I am, put in a little effort like
Lawson who has made interesting points I disagree with.In other
Watching old episodes of Sopranos these days I realized how much you resemble
Jackie Aprile, perhaps the angriest fellow in the whole series. He even claimed
he learned meditation in prison. Perhaps you should try it before the anger
eats you.
Judy called Curtis a liar, and I felt sorry
Who ever said that Maharishi's consciousness was functioning independently from
his brain?
Maharishi made it clear ovr and over again that the state of a person's
physiology dictated what kind of consciousness they had.
As MMY's health declined towards the in, he had, as you pointed out,
Hey Lawson,
Thank you for reasoned arguments, you are water in the desert.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
Who ever said that Maharishi's consciousness was functioning independently
from his brain?
Maharishi made it clear ovr and over again that the state of a
I guess that theory makes sense if you believe there is no such thing as
enlightenment, or higher states of consciousness, because it is my guess that
many of those who were said to be enlightened suffered memory loss, dementia
and impaired mental capacity as they aged.
So, either higher
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's declining brain functioning
What I wonder about is why anyone would take seriously a clown who's life is
begging for pity and a few dollars on street-corners. The reason why he lash
out now is because someone dared challenge his grandiose notion that the noise
I am not sure how consciousness can be separated from brain functioning.
If pure awareness is a reality, if the state of enlightenment is a reality, it
must reside somewhere.
Perhaps there are other organs in the body that affect our consciousness.
But at some point, you have to look
Steve: I know, Curtis, you are a student of how the brain works, and I think
you hold to the theory that enlightenment, or higher awareness is a figment of
our imagination.
M: I don't believe that the state of mind you develop is a figment of your
imagination, I believe it is rooted in a
Okay, thanks for clarifying you position on it.
I am not sure that the lives of those who are said to have achieved that state
have a highly inflated view of the value of their internal state
They have related their experiences over time, accounts covering hundreds or
even thousands of
If pure awareness is a reality, if the state of enlightenment is a reality, it
must reside somewhere.
Yeah, it awakens to itself, so that there is a structure that senses and
sustains pure awareness, in the mind and body, but does not wholly produce pure
awareness. More like accurately
Let me put here what an advaitan would submit. I'm merely parroting, but I
believe I can hold my own and represent Advaitan teaching and speak to the
concept that awareness is not material.
An enlightened but aging-badly person is said to be witnessing the decline of
the normal functioning
sure, Jim. for me, I have had sensations in different parts of my body that
have then translated into, what I felt was, a slightly more refined level of
functioning.
I have no defense against those who might say, coincidence, mood making,
power of suggestion, nor do I wish to.
In the
three or four months
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
sure, Jim. for me, I have had sensations in different parts of my body that
have then translated into, what I felt was, a slightly more refined level of
functioning.
I have no defense against those who
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
I was struck by the posted interview between the Aussie and the Maharishi
through closed circuit TV where Maharishi was unable to field a question about
whether or not he could actually fly by going into you kids get off of
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
What struck me because I have spent quite a bit of time around old people in
the last few years and it seemed obvious that Maharishi was clearly
Which is all moot where Marshy was concerned since he was not enlightened.
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