[FairfieldLife] Re: Ashtavakra Gita -fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realizaion

2007-09-26 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: again. 1.18 Just as a mirror exists everywhere both within and apart from its reflected images, so the Supreme Lord exists everywhere within and apart from this body. 1.19 Just as one and the same all-pervading space exists

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ashtavakra Gita -fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realizaion

2007-09-26 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When there is no me, that is liberation, and when there is me there is bondage. yadaa naahaM tadaa moksho yadaahaM bandhanaM tadaa . yadaa (when) na (not) aham (I) tadaa (then) mokSaH (liberation) yadaa (when) aham (I)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ashtavakra Gita -fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realizaion

2007-09-26 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: When there is no me, that is liberation, and when there is me there is bondage. yadaa naahaM tadaa moksho yadaahaM bandhanaM tadaa . yadaa (when)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ashtavakra Gita -fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realizaion

2007-09-26 Thread george_deforest
cardemaister wrote: again. 1.18 Just as a mirror exists everywhere both within and apart from its reflected images, so the Supreme Lord exists everywhere within and apart from this body. 1.19 Just as one and the same all-pervading space exists within and without a jar, That's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Signposts that MMY is not enlightened

2007-09-26 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some good points. On different responses to darshan, MMY made clear, at least from his side, and presumably he was pretty attuned to the dynamics of SBS' darshan, if not of a much larger group, by tradition.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times

2007-09-26 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Ugly Side of the GOP By Bob Herbert The New York Times Tuesday 25 September 2007 I applaud the thousands of people, many of them poor, who traveled from around the country to protest in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer

2007-09-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 9/25/07 7:55:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't seriously believe that anyone, particularly anyone who knows Judy, could seriously conclude by what she said that she really *did* mean convert to Islam simply because of hearing a song - no

[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer

2007-09-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I found Judy's original post about the little Koran singer amusing in that she had considered converting to Judaism once before and was gushing over a little boy singing from the Koran without knowing what he was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer

2007-09-26 Thread Vaj
So if what some are saying comes true, and if 50-100 years France and Germany become majority Muslim states, do you feel these states will be better or worse off for non-Muslims and women? What about people who are not of the book, like , Atheists, Hindus and Buddhists? What about human

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer

2007-09-26 Thread Vaj
Does this echo your sentiment on terrorism and America B.? Just curious how close it was. Is Terrorism a Mortal Threat? It may have been politically incorrect to publish the thoughts on the sixth anniversary of 9-11, but what Colin Powell had to say to GQ magazine needs to be heard.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charles Lutes at Bedtime

2007-09-26 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: I've been listening to Charles Lutes every night, all his recorded

[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer

2007-09-26 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/25/07 7:55:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't seriously believe that anyone, particularly anyone who knows Judy, could seriously conclude by what she said that she really

[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer

2007-09-26 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if what some are saying comes true, and if 50-100 years France and Germany become majority Muslim states, do you feel these states will be better or worse off for non-Muslims and women? What about people who are not

[FairfieldLife] Over Genralizations, over Claiming of Casusal Relations -- and the Pheonix

2007-09-26 Thread new . morning
I think thats a common sense article, Is Terrorism a Mortal Threat?, with good, almost obvious, yet sadly not obvious (to many) points. I am guessing many readers may have not noticed the author: Patrick J. Buchanan. Whom most here, and throughout many liberal enclaves, if said, hey, listen

[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer

2007-09-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if what some are saying comes true, and if 50-100 years France and Germany become majority Muslim states, do you feel these states will be better or worse off for non-Muslims and women? What about people who are not of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Over Genralizations, over Claiming of Casusal Relations -- and the Pheonix

2007-09-26 Thread Vaj
On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:34 AM, new.morning wrote: Vaj and Dixon, I think you are overgeneralizing about muslims. If Vaj wants to live in a nation that disallows work, tourist or any entry to any muslim, or racial groups with which Islam is associated, then go for it. What on earth would

[FairfieldLife] Re: Some responses to Bronte Baxter from David Spero

2007-09-26 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Nice Curtis! I need to email you and reconnect. From one unenlightened dude to another Steve That would be great Steve, you were one of the most entertaining guys at Sidhaland. Unenlightened guys get the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times

2007-09-26 Thread oneradiantbeing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can say the same thing about million babies who are victims of abortion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-26 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry writes in his summary: So have a go at it, eh? And if you are able to come up with some statement -- any statement -- that is true for all beings, in all periods of time, in all contexts,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-26 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry writes in his summary: So have a go at it, eh? And if you are able to come up with some statement -- any statement -- that is true for all beings, in all periods of time, in all contexts,

[FairfieldLife] Abortion - By William Edelen

2007-09-26 Thread oneradiantbeing
Abortion, by William Edelen, (Taken from: www.williamedelen.com) The Republican National Committee, the big shots, are meeting. Do you know what they are going to debate? A proposed abortion litmus test for all Republican candidates. My gawd! Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, where are

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times

2007-09-26 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can say the same thing about million babies who are victims of abortion. A fetus is not a baby. The states decide on what to do about abortion, not federal. Therefore the states have clearly and emphatically decided it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion - By William Edelen

2007-09-26 Thread sgrayatlarge
David states: If the Republicans want to simply say I am against abortion and let it go at that, fine. But in the name of all that is truth and all that is sacred, let them stop using the blood soaked hands of Moses, the Bible and the church for their justification. -David, you are hysterical!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion - By William Edelen

2007-09-26 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abortion, by William Edelen, (Taken from: www.williamedelen.com) The Republican National Committee, the big shots, are meeting. Do you know what they are going to debate? A proposed abortion litmus test for all

[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion - By William Edelen

2007-09-26 Thread oneradiantbeing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David states: If the Republicans want to simply say I am against abortion and let it go at that, fine. But in the name of all that is truth and all that is sacred, let them stop using the blood soaked hands of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Over Genralizations, over Claiming of Casusal Relations -- and the Pheonix

2007-09-26 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:34 AM, new.morning wrote: Vaj and Dixon, I think you are overgeneralizing about muslims. If Vaj wants to live in a nation that disallows work, tourist or any entry to any muslim, or racial

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Over Genralizations, over Claiming of Casusal Relations -- and the Pheonix

2007-09-26 Thread Vaj
On Sep 26, 2007, at 11:47 AM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:34 AM, new.morning wrote: Vaj and Dixon, I think you are overgeneralizing about muslims. If Vaj wants to live in a nation that disallows work,

[FairfieldLife] Turq: I saw Next

2007-09-26 Thread Bhairitu
Next has been releasing on DVD here in the US. I watched it last night. I can see why it got panned by critics and it is just another victim of the studios trend to do science fiction and horror for PG-13 audience. Though an interesting story and somewhat well developed it could have been

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer

2007-09-26 Thread Vaj
On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if what some are saying comes true, and if 50-100 years France and Germany become majority Muslim states, do you feel these states will be better or worse off for

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times

2007-09-26 Thread Robert Gimbel
(snip) Agreed ! Where is the freedom for millions of americans the president so loudly and forcefully wants to export to other countries ? Hopefully, the freedom is still located in the Ballot Box, that is, if the bastards haven't corrupted the way the votes are cast, yet. The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Signposts that MMY is not enlightened

2007-09-26 Thread qntmpkt
--But Shakti comes from the teacher, igniting the student's Shakti. This helps eradicate obstacles to the immediate apprehensionof Pure Consciousness. A dirt clod is equally The Absolute or, emptiness, compared to MMY or a Buddha; but dirt clods don't help much. Therefore, there are other

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

2007-09-26 Thread qntmpkt
--There are some non-sequiturs in the paragraph below. It says you are at home in that (the dynamic aspect of life). Then it says Being at home, therefore you are happy. Non-Sequitur. There are plenty of creatures at home but grossly unhappy. Then it says Therefore life is bliss. Doesn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Signposts that MMY is not enlightened

2007-09-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --But Shakti comes from the teacher, igniting the student's Shakti. Now do you know? Does lightning strike downwards, from cloud to earth, or upwards, from earth to cloud? As it turns out, both. From

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times

2007-09-26 Thread nablusoss1008
-- A fetus is not a human life. These are two totally unrelated topics. to take an abortion is like burning down an uninhabited house - Maharishi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer

2007-09-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 9/26/07 6:34:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hile I agree with you completely on what's been going on here on Fairfield Life, I think that even you will have to admit that there *is* a great deal of Israeli propaganda, and has been for decades

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer

2007-09-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 9/26/07 7:32:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since 9-11, 100,000 Americans have been murdered -- as many as we lost in Vietnam, Korea and Iraq combined. Yet, not one of these murders was the work of an Islamic terrorist, and all of them,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY ...

2007-09-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 9/26/07 5:31:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Last week, the residents of Washington, D.C., with its majority black population, came remarkably close to realizing a goal they have sought for decades - a voting member of Congress to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY ...

2007-09-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 9/26/07 10:13:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A fetus is not a human life. These are two totally unrelated topics. Not human? What does the DNA say it is? It's definitely not the mother's, alone, nor the father's, alone and it's definitely

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ugly Side of the GOP - by Bob Herbert, of the NY Times

2007-09-26 Thread John
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: You can say the same thing about million babies who are victims of abortion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@

[FairfieldLife] Response to MDixon - Re: Herbert

2007-09-26 Thread oneradiantbeing
MDixon wrote: Bob Hebert doesn't bother to tell us what the Constitution says about Washington D.C. having elected representatives and Senators. DS responds: What the Constitution says in Sec. 8 is that the Congress possesses power to legislate for the District of Columbia and what the size

[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion - By William Edelen

2007-09-26 Thread shempmcgurk
Congratulations, sgrayatlarge, as this post of your's was #150,000 on FFL. The Corvette Stingray you've won can be redeemed at Rick Archer's home this Saturday between 9am and 5pm. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David states: If the Republicans

[FairfieldLife] Chase the Buffalo

2007-09-26 Thread Vaj
Listening to Pat Guadagno turned me on to a number of relatively unknown singer-songwriters, most recently Pierce Pettis. Pettis was originally a staff songwriter for PolyGram Publishing in Nashville. It turns out he's really a musician's musician and a great songwriter. He reminds me of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Response to MDixon - Re: Herbert

2007-09-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 9/26/07 3:46:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob Herbert wrote that Congress failed to legislate (pass laws) for the people of DC to have their own elected Representatives in the House and also the right to vote. In _1961_

[FairfieldLife] DS's Response to MDixon Re; Abortion

2007-09-26 Thread oneradiantbeing
DS wrote: A fetus is not a human life. MDixon responds: Not human? What does the DNA say it is? It's definitely not the mother's, alone, nor the father's, alone and it's definitely alive or it wouldn't be growing. DS: But the actual fetus is the object in question, not what the fetus breaks

[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion - By William Edelen

2007-09-26 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations, sgrayatlarge, as this post of your's was #150,000 on FFL. The Corvette Stingray you've won can be redeemed at Rick Archer's home this Saturday between 9am and 5pm. Uh, I just read the fine

Re: [FairfieldLife] DS's Response to MDixon Re; Abortion

2007-09-26 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 9/26/07 5:44:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Misogeny, the hatred, fear and suppression of woman, and not life, underlies the position of the religious right on the issue of abortion. Thanks for your comments and the opportunity to respond.

[FairfieldLife] Not all shaktipat or dharshan is equall

2007-09-26 Thread Ron
Comment from post:--But Shakti comes from the teacher, igniting the student's Shakti. HR: Again, the central issue is that the fallacy is that a me gains enlightenment. As long as there is a me that is there, there is further to go. Cognitions belong to those having them, absolute IS all

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not all shaktipat or dharshan is equall

2007-09-26 Thread purushaz
Ron---You don't understand, how many times do we have to go over this? In Muktananda's tradition, there's a transfer of Shakti from the BODY(s) of Muktananda to the BODY(s) of the disciple. Therefore, the me in that context refers to the body, (and of course all of attributes that make up a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion - By William Edelen

2007-09-26 Thread sgrayatlarge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, Am I missing something here? Normally when I post an article that has a strong bias like this one and after reading your previous posts, I would assume that you are in line with Mr. Edelen thinking, hence

[FairfieldLife] Next Chapter to the Da Vinci Code?

2007-09-26 Thread John
Here's an interesting article: 6 Ark. nuns excommunicated for heresy By ANDREW DeMILLO, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 16 minutes ago LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - Six Catholic nuns have been excommunicated for heresy after refusing to give up membership in a Canadian sect whose founder claims to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not all shaktipat or dharshan is equall

2007-09-26 Thread Peter
he is a she. --- purushaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron---You don't understand, how many times do we have to go over this? In Muktananda's tradition, there's a transfer of Shakti from the BODY(s) of Muktananda to the BODY(s) of the disciple. Therefore, the me in that context

[FairfieldLife] God Speed Off!

2007-09-26 Thread new . morning
Off, Let me, along with all redemptive seeking souls, deeply and profusely apologize for the massive decadence, debauchery and criminality of our founders, and their even more wretched off spring, who to this day spoil the natural refinement and galactic dignity that you so demonstratively

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not all shaktipat or dharshan is equall

2007-09-26 Thread Ron
The use of words may be frustrating in this case. Often My Guru will say this one replacing the word I, the other Gurus in my path do the same. My Guru said that speaking this way is researved or those Realized because the me is gone and there is nothing to replace it with. On other

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not all shaktipat or dharshan is equall

2007-09-26 Thread yifuxero
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The use of words may be frustrating in this case. Often My Guru will say this one Right, but Ramana Maharshi and others say I'. Saying this one all the time is ridiculous!.. replacing the word I, the other Gurus in my path

[FairfieldLife] Re: Next Chapter to the Da Vinci Code?

2007-09-26 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's an interesting article: 6 Ark. nuns excommunicated for heresy By ANDREW DeMILLO, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 16 minutes ago Excommunication is such a joke: to Jesus that is... Who would Jesus excommunicate?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not all shaktipat or dharshan is equall

2007-09-26 Thread Ron
HP: I will do my best to respond. If you want insight into my Guru by reading, then all of what Ramana has to say is the same my Guru would say. My Guru's last guru that apointed my Guru as Guru, was commissioned to be a guru by Poonjaji. In addition, my Guru's Guru had 3 tantric masters and