[FairfieldLife] Re: The Immortality Project
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: John Fischer, a philosophy professor at UC-Riverside, has been awarded a $5 million grant from the Templeton Foundation to fund essays and empirical research projects related to immortality. You're three days late. Fisher himself doubts there is such a thing, but he thinks studying the possibility from various angles (including beliefs about it) will be relevant to the way we live our lives at present. Take the money and run dude, I would. http://www.sptimmortalityproject.com/ Here's an excerpt from a recent interview with Fischer about the Immortality Project (Xeno, I wrote my posts to you before reading this): Q: Is it conceivable that there's a version of immortality that exists as something outside the limits of the known universe, or do you have to be religious to believe that? A: I guess you wouldn't have to be religious. You could believe that there are forces or energies or features of the physical universe which we haven't yet identified or can't yet fully describethat there was a kind of [true] immortality that wouldn't have to be religious. That's possible. It's kind of an abstract possibility that we can't really grasp concretely right now. But I think it's possible and there's lots that we don't know. If you think about quantum mechanics and string theory and you try wrap your mind around the possibility that there are many, many dimensions to reality, not just three or four, it starts becoming very hard to comprehend. We have certain concepts of present, past, future, causation, physical objects, acceleration, velocity, location. We apply those ordinary concepts to our ordinary lives and they work pretty well, you know? But once you start thinking about quantum mechanics, string theory, the ordinary concepts just don't apply anymore. And maybe there is a kind of immortality that we have genuinely as part of the physical universe that we can't yet understand. Q: Or even beyond the physical universe A: Yeah, beyond the physical universe that we know about. There are philosophers who are dualists who think that the mind is not identical to the brain. Or, if they're property dualists, they think that mental properties are non-physical properties of our brains. And if you think that maybe the universe has non-physical properties, maybe immortality is somehow related to those. Q: Is there a basic incompatibility between free will and immortality? And I mean true immortality, not putting my brain in a jar for extreme longevity. A: Well, I'm going to answer another question first, then I'll get back to your question. I definitely think that immortality in the sense of living forever and not dying is completely consistent with free will. Now, if you add that determinism is true or that god exists then it might rule out certain kinds of freedom but I think it's still consistent with other kinds of freedom and it's consistent with moral responsibility. Now, true immortality, especially as conceptualized in a religious viewI don't think that's typically thought of as involving free will. If you think about the standard Christian picture, in which you've been virtuous in life and you go to heaven and you have eternal union with god, that's typically not a context in which you have freedom of the will. You're in a blissful union with god forever, but you don't have the freedom to choose evil. You're not conceptualized as planning and acting in accordance with your plans. http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-immortality
[FairfieldLife] A Vern Marley Morning
[https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/521829_491770897\ 544851_1674498952_n.jpg] I find myself living right now in Paris in a neighborhood filled with former Jamaicans, and so walking through the streets is an utter delight, because from almost every shop and apartment window one hears the sounds of reggae day and night. Some associate this kind of music only with ganja and getting stoned, but I do not. For me, a big Bob Marley fan, I associate at least his music with spirituality and the struggle of the common man against the forces that would keep them down. Not that I'm alone in this view. Marley was a rather important figure in the history of world music, with a worldwide impact FAR greater than Bob Dylan's or the Beatles. In 1999, Time magazine voted his album Exodus the Best Album of the 20th Century, because the impact it had worldwide. Anyway, if you ever feel like kickin' back and listening to a little non-white bread spiritual music, here's a playlist where you can do so for free: http://viromusic.com/playlist/sldvjg http://viromusic.com/playlist/sldvjg I'm having coffee and a croissant in a corner cafe right now, listening to Exodus on my iPhone before walking the rest of the way to work. Not only do I feel no pain, I feel only joy. Thanks, Bob.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Word Aversions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Surely this is an April Fool prank. Surely you don't understand the nature of human beings and the attachments and aversions they form to certain words. Just mention one of the words they have an aversion to in a sentence, and they tend to go batshit crazy. The context doesn't matter...*nothing* matters except that one of their aversion-words appeared before their eyes or in their ears. Take for example the C-word. There are many here who seem to have a *profound* aversion to that word. And it's a perfectly good word, with a long history, even though its common-usage meaning has shifted somewhat in recent years. But just mention it in the context of this discussion group, and some people overreact as if *by* using it you've insulted them hideously, or have attacked them personally. It all seems kinda silly to me, especially with regard to the C-word. Heck, I'd bet that some here have such an aversion to the word that they might even go a little batshit crazy if I do nothing but quote its definition: Definition of CULT 1 : formal religious veneration : worship 2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents 3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents 4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator health cults 5a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad 5b : the object of such devotion 5c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
No, Ann this is how IMO we differ: I was making an ayruvedic joke with noozguru that I thought he would enjoy. OTOH I don't think you were doing something that you thought I would enjoy. From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: The fruit trees sound wonderful and also that you've learned so much about those moths. So you got apples for vata, lemons for pitta. Now you just need something to vitiate kapha. How about some watermelons? (-: This is how we differ - I just figured it out. I would have said, So you got apples for homemade apple pie, lemons for fresh lemonade. Now we just need something to satisfy Uncle John. How about some watermelons? Then I would leave out the smiley face. It is interesting how movies tend to have the bad guys du jour. Is that anything like the soup du jour? From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama  My organic gardening is limited to my apple tree and trying to keep the pests out of it. This year I got the coddling moth traps out early and there were no moths caught until a week or so ago and by early I meant early February. And that was only possible because I had a trap left over from last year. Otherwise the stores run out early because you want to put these up before the tree buds because the moths lay their eggs on the buds and then you wind up with wormy apples. However we've had colder weather than usual and the moths haven't been around until lately. Frankly not sure that trying to maintain an apple tree is worth it because you may wind up paying more to maintain the tree than you will just buying bags of organic apples. The lemon tree takes care of itself with occasional pruning from the gardening service. Gardening is not my hobby. As for planting crops the soil is too rocky for that. There was a similar experience with the remake of Red Dawn and the Chinese. You'd think the movie producers would learn. They should have made the source of the pandemic a biotech company but then maybe Monstersanto would have thrown a tantrum. In a 1970s movie it would have been a US government experience going awry. DHS = Department of Homeland Security. On 04/02/2013 08:47 AM, Share Long wrote: Jeffrey Smith the food activist here in FF is giving a free presentation tonight about recognizing genuine organic food in local stores. I bet the auditorium will be packed. I'm planning to grow baby bok choy (-: noozguru, your item about the Chinese and the movie industry is quite alarming. What came to mind was how brilliant Maharishi was to have MUM forge alliances with Chinese universities. But oy, how will I ever learn Madarin? In your joke about Holi and colored powered, I don't know who DHS is. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama Probably better the US government get shutdown than for the asura Monsanto to poison the world. On 03/30/2013 07:36 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, and anyone else, what about the point that if Obama hadn't signed the bill, there would be no budget and the fed govt would have shut down for a week? Is that true? How the heck did the Monsanto aspect get put into the budget aspect? Do you think the Dems allowed the situation to avoid taking a stand against Monsanto? From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama People are pissed that Obama is a shill for Monsanto. Glad to see the public reacting. Makes Michele's efforts for organic farming a bit phony. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57576835/critics-slam-obama-for-protecting-monsanto/ Do samyama on Destroy Monsanto.
[FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: No, Ann this is how IMO we differ: I was making an ayruvedic joke with noozguru that I thought he would enjoy. OTOH I don't think you were doing something that you thought I would enjoy. If I may be more blunt, Ann was just being a minion- bitch, trying to impress the uber-bitch by continuing to rag on you, *no matter what you post*. Junior high school clique-bitch behavior to the max. Welcome to the club. You'll get used to it, and if history is any indicator, you can expect their harassment of you to continue in the future as long as it has for Curtis, myself, and anyone who has pleasant conversations with us from time to time. Bitches never forget a grudge. What is even sadder is that they think of this as a sign of strength. From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: The fruit trees sound wonderful and also that you've learned so much about those moths.àSo you got apples for vata, lemons for pitta.àNow you just need something to vitiate kapha.àHow about some watermelons? (-: This is how we differ - I just figured it out. I would have said, So you got apples for homemade apple pie, lemons for fresh lemonade. Now we just need something to satisfy Uncle John. How about some watermelons? Then I would leave out the smiley face. It is interesting how movies tend to have the bad guys du jour.à Is that anything like the soup du jour? From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama My organic gardening is limited to my apple tree and trying to keep the pests out of it. This year I got the coddling moth traps out early and there were no moths caught until a week or so ago and by early I meant early February. And that was only possible because I had a trap left over from last year. Otherwise the stores run out early because you want to put these up before the tree buds because the moths lay their eggs on the buds and then you wind up with wormy apples. However we've had colder weather than usual and the moths haven't been around until lately. Frankly not sure that trying to maintain an apple tree is worth it because you may wind up paying more to maintain the tree than you will just buying bags of organic apples. The lemon tree takes care of itself with occasional pruning from the gardening service. Gardening is not my hobby. As for planting crops the soil is too rocky for that. There was a similar experience with the remake of Red Dawn and the Chinese. You'd think the movie producers would learn. They should have made the source of the pandemic a biotech company but then maybe Monstersanto would have thrown a tantrum. In a 1970s movie it would have been a US government experience going awry. DHS = Department of Homeland Security. On 04/02/2013 08:47 AM, Share Long wrote: Jeffrey Smith the food activist here in FF is giving a free presentation tonight about recognizing genuine organic food in local stores. I bet the auditorium will be packed. I'm planning to grow baby bok choy (-: noozguru, your item about the Chinese and the movie industry is quite alarming. What came to mind was how brilliant Maharishi was to have MUM forge alliances with Chinese universities. But oy, how will I ever learn Madarin? In your joke about Holi and colored powered, I don't know who DHS is. From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama Probably better the US government get shutdown than for the asura Monsanto to poison the world. On 03/30/2013 07:36 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, and anyone else, what about the point that if Obama hadn't signed the bill, there would be no budget and the fed govt would have shut down for a week? Is that true? How the heck did the Monsanto aspect get put into the budget aspect? Do you think the Dems allowed the situation to avoid taking a stand against Monsanto? From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama People are pissed that Obama is a shill for Monsanto. Glad to see the public reacting. Makes Michele's efforts for organic farming a bit phony.
[FairfieldLife] Youth Conference 16 - 20 May 2013, MERU, Holland
https://www.mgcwp.org/ico/emailing/2013/2013-05-16_YOUTH_CONFERENCE/2013-05-16_YOUTH_CONFERENCE_MERU.html Youth Conference 16 - 20 May 2013, MERU, Holland web page Youth Weekend at MERU in Holland 16 - 20 May 2013 Theme: Experiencing Maharishi’s International Home MERU warmly invites you to: * Dive briefly into history and get a real feeling of what it was like to live and work here at MERU with Maharishi. * Enjoy knowledge and meetings in the beautiful, profoundly silent, all-wood Vastu home that Maharishi lived in. * Have a personal and intimate experience of deep rounding and daily life in the soft atmosphere that Maharishi created at MERU. * Gain a profound insight into why this location was so ideal for Maharishi's international administration. * Hear how Maharishi described his international administration, and the impressions of some of those who worked closely with him. * See Maharishi’s plans and dreams for the MERU Campus being built and fulfilled—dynamic presentations and tours. Conference highlights * Overview of the MERU Campus * Living and working for the enlightened Master—stories and knowledge * Experience live Vedic recitations as revived by Maharishi * Exploring the environment and having fun We welcome every young Meditator, TM-Sidha, and Governor around the age of 18 - 35 to come and enjoy a unique weekend experience at Maharishi’s home—MERU, Holland. 16 - 20 May. Thursday to Monday. Course fee including Housing at MERU in St. Odilienberg: Single room: 220.00 Euro Double room: 170.00 Euro per person Payment To make your reservation and pay online: www.merucourses.com For assistance please email cour...@maharishi.net For payment by bank transfer, use the following MERU account: Beneficiary: MERU, Station 24, 6063 NP Vlodrop, The Netherlands Bank Name: ING Bank, Roermond, The Netherlands Swift Code (BIC): INGBNL2A IBAN: NL48INGB0676710344 Bank account number: 67.67.10344 Please include a reference with your transfer stating your name, country, dates of the course and the words ‘MERU Youth Conference’. Young Meditators and Sidhas are also invited to attend the annual European Young Meditators Conference, organised by Maharishi’s organisation and the David Lynch Foundation. Following the successful conferences in Barcelona and Hvar in the past two years, this year the plan is to hold it from 9-23 August at a beautiful hotel in Italy, not far from Bologna and Florence. Details will be announced shortly. web page © 2012 Global Country of World Peace
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
Angels of Yahoo at work. I actually posted this at 8:43 pm Central on Tuesday but it didn't show up in my inbox til 3:55 am Central on Wednesday. I was expecting and dreading a blizzard of posts about it, especially from Judy and Ann who seemed upset by my questions about Robin's recent postings. turq, I was wondering if you and your household did the whole Easter egg thing for Maya. Is that a tradition in Holland? noozguru if I offended you with my comments about the fruit trees, I apologize. I think of ayurveda as something you and I can joke about since we're both into it. Just as I think of jyotish as something John and I can joke about because we're both into it. So John, apologies to you too if I offended you by my recent comment about jokes and jyotish. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 4:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: No, Ann this is how IMO we differ: I was making an ayruvedic joke with noozguru that I thought he would enjoy. OTOH I don't think you were doing something that you thought I would enjoy. If I may be more blunt, Ann was just being a minion- bitch, trying to impress the uber-bitch by continuing to rag on you, *no matter what you post*. Junior high school clique-bitch behavior to the max. Welcome to the club. You'll get used to it, and if history is any indicator, you can expect their harassment of you to continue in the future as long as it has for Curtis, myself, and anyone who has pleasant conversations with us from time to time. Bitches never forget a grudge. What is even sadder is that they think of this as a sign of strength. From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: The fruit trees sound wonderful and also that you've learned so much about those moths. So you got apples for vata, lemons for pitta. Now you just need something to vitiate kapha. How about some watermelons? (-: This is how we differ - I just figured it out. I would have said, So you got apples for homemade apple pie, lemons for fresh lemonade. Now we just need something to satisfy Uncle John. How about some watermelons? Then I would leave out the smiley face. It is interesting how movies tend to have the bad guys du jour. Is that anything like the soup du jour? From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama My organic gardening is limited to my apple tree and trying to keep the pests out of it. This year I got the coddling moth traps out early and there were no moths caught until a week or so ago and by early I meant early February. And that was only possible because I had a trap left over from last year. Otherwise the stores run out early because you want to put these up before the tree buds because the moths lay their eggs on the buds and then you wind up with wormy apples. However we've had colder weather than usual and the moths haven't been around until lately. Frankly not sure that trying to maintain an apple tree is worth it because you may wind up paying more to maintain the tree than you will just buying bags of organic apples. The lemon tree takes care of itself with occasional pruning from the gardening service. Gardening is not my hobby. As for planting crops the soil is too rocky for that. There was a similar experience with the remake of Red Dawn and the Chinese. You'd think the movie producers would learn. They should have made the source of the pandemic a biotech company but then maybe Monstersanto would have thrown a tantrum. In a 1970s movie it would have been a US government experience going awry. DHS = Department of Homeland Security. On 04/02/2013 08:47 AM, Share Long wrote: Jeffrey Smith the food activist here in FF is giving a free presentation tonight about recognizing genuine organic food in local stores. I bet the auditorium will be packed. I'm planning to grow baby bok choy (-: noozguru, your item about the Chinese and the movie industry is quite alarming. What came to mind was how brilliant Maharishi was to have MUM forge alliances with Chinese universities. But oy, how will I ever learn Madarin? In your joke about Holi and colored powered, I don't know who DHS is. From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday,
[FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: turq, I was wondering if you and your household did the whole Easter egg thing for Maya. Is that a tradition in Holland? It is now. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
Trowbridge, Someone sent me this e-mail on the side, seems it is pretty fair about the situation here: [paste] this is so well written he speaks for many - the majority in my mind. His insight on resolving conflict and misperceiving negativity is priceless. .. he obviously has a grip on the ball. And, I think Maharishi Foundation, even though suffering some, is run better than this, but this is a very accurate picture of MUM and the Dome. Regrettably it doesn't seem to change. Since it is a top down organization it does not seem to be a surprise with Bevan and Dougb still well entrenched. No change can thus be expected from them. There is a struggle going on and I do not think that they will let go easily or without casualties. They might sink the whole ship yet. Then it is up to us to carry on - which is what we are doing anyway. [end paste] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@... wrote: Thanks for the connection, and thanks for the post. I appreciate it very much. Thanks again! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Nice post Wayback, JTowbridge, I did send the link to your FFL letter earlier this morning directly over to Dr. John Hagelin right after you posted it on FFL. He responded back to me immediately too before I went to the Dome. I'm just in from the day's farm work now. The work is going long in the fields with spring upon us now. I stopped earlier and meditated along in time with the large group tonite while I was on my tractor. Frankly the New TM Movement is incorporating more over-sight and process within its workings. It's dynamic and changing. Things started changing from back before and around when Maharishi died. There are different elements within it still including some strict preservationists who obstruct change but things are also progressive. I would say from talking with folks inside that some yet are essentially afraid to be more transparent in process because they fear someone like MJ coming along and being negative. But in a direction of more transparency is coming. The strict preservationists have nothing to fear but fear itself. I think your paper is a good common-sense advocacy for better management practices that are actively being figured out more by committee process as J Hagelin has been setting about engaging people in that kind of process. They are also waiting for a few more people to die off as there is an active preparing of a younger set going on to take over. These are very exciting times within TM. It is in re-set. I agree, may the Unified Field save the group meditation. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: I too really enjoyed your post, Mr Trowbridge. It was genuine and so right on. Loved your points about conflict. In the name of being positive, so much has been overlooked, not dealt with, and repressed. At every level. And for those whose very livelihood revolved around all this for some years, it took a real toll. The frustration of trying to get a problem dealt with was incredible - because the person was considered to be unstressing or negative. A really unhealthy system evolved. Anyway, you said it all so well and I thank you for that. I suspect that in posting it here on FFL, it will be read by the people you are talking to. My guess is that the big issue on the inside is whether to try and mimic exactly how MMY ran the TMO or whether to modify that so as to appeal to more people. Not modify the teaching, but the organization, how it is run, the way rules are enforced, how to handle conflict. I think a lot will depend on how that unfolds now and in the next decade as Bevan and John and the rajas begin to retire. Not that the TMO needs to become a corporate place, but it is all so very fuzzy and odd and seemingly going to end with our generation unless things change. Too much garbage being dragged along to interest the younger generation. But TM is pure gold for you? Lucky guy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@ wrote: Thank you, a beautiful response, and I will carry on. I go by my own experiences. This has always been my guide, and my experiences daily have been magnificent. The program is pure gold. Thanks, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Thanks John, beautiful post in it's positivity. And unique on this forum because you are one of perhaps only 5 posters here altogether that does TM regularily and have a non-agressive take on the TMO. So your idea of sending it here was perhaps a bit too enthusiastic, it will unfortunately only
Re: [FairfieldLife] Feedback to the TM Movement
Having read your ideas about the Movement it gives me a good feeling that there are people with common sense who want something that has been good for them to blossom and prosper. Even having left TM years ago, I do understand the feeling doing program gives one, I recently did my TMSP after years of not doing so and it felt good. I sincerely believe the only way for you to fulfill the desires you have for the Movement is to walk away from the TM Movement and create one of your own. Others have done so, thereby giving a fresh venue for teaching and promoting the technique that is so meaningful to you. The TM Movement has never really existed to do what you want it to do. I spent years wondering why something that felt so good to me and had such high goals and spoke about itself in such glowing terms could produce such unkind, unhelpful people who administered the Movement - how could the practice of the TM technique not create a group of individuals who administered the Movement intelligently, lovingly, and efficiently? As long as I believed that Maharishi was enlightened and somehow in some unknown way, the excesses and omissions of the people who ran the Movement were some sort of aberrant anomalies and that one day it would all balance out, the Movement would straighten itself out and people would actually be well taken care of in all phases and aspects of their dealings with the TMO, much of what Maharishi did and none of what the TMO did made any sense. When I realized that Maharishi was not enlightened, and used his Movement to further his desires to, in essence, be a big shot, gain wealth and have a revolving door of sex partners, it all fell into place. This means that the people who ran and still run the Movement learned at his feet and realize that anything they want to do is alright as long as they remain in charge and get paid. The idea that Bevan, Tony and the rest will ever give any authority to a Board of Directors is something that will never happen. They will not give up power - the TMO gives them everything. When is the last time any of them had to worry about paying rent? How to pay the utilities? When is the last time they had to wash their own clothes? Make their own meals? These guys live like princes and they won't give it up. They will never put others needs and desires above their own need to be in charge and keep getting paid, just like their former leader - and just like M putting these guys in charge, who do you think these guys will pick to follow them? The exact same energy will be passed on in the next generation of leadership. Get together with all the responsible teachers with common sense who feel the way you do, organize your own Movement and get out while the getting is good. I have mentioned once or twice before that Girish, and the Srivastavas brothers still run the Maharishi Group which I believe still owns all the property that MUM is occupying, both the land and buildings. If the day comes when they feel the revenue coming to them from MUM isn't satisfying them, they will sell off the university holdings in a heartbeat, and you will be without the Domes anyway. They have already begun this process in India, and I believe they are doing so because they know the Movement is running out of steam and won't give them the money they are used to. So create your own Movement - why continue to trust people and a Movement that have betrayed your trust for decades? From: jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 8:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Feedback to the TM Movement I would like to give feedback from the perspective of one who loves TM, but not how the organization is run. I have wanted to do so for many years. I feel I have a unique perspective to do so. I am not angry. I am not dependent on TM other than my wonderful program I practice. I have no ax to grind other than a genuine desire to see the organization succeed. I wish to help this organization from the point of view of one who is a family man, a professional who sees the divinity of my practice, and the missteps of the organization. My TM program is the only time during the day that I know my activity is perfect. It is a perfect program. It is a perfect activity. It is perfect knowledge. I have recently obtained all of the advanced techniques. I have missed maybe five meditations in 40 years only because I enjoy it. There is no other reason. Not for health, not for enlightenment, such is the joy and power of my program. I have just finished 34 years as a public school teacher in North Carolina, and I am still teaching. I have been married 30 years. I have two children. My wife meditates. My two children have been initiated. From the beginning, I have provided support to the TM Movement through the use of my house for lectures,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers Pirates
Reuters - A computer hacker was sentenced on Monday to three years and five months in prison for stealing the personal data of about 120,000 Apple Inc iPad users, including big-city mayors, a TV network news anchor and a Hollywood movie mogul... 'U.S. computer hacker gets three-and-a-half years for stealing iPad user data' http://tinyurl.com/c72z58j Bhairitu: And your point is? Refrain from hacking? According to TorrentFreak, a news site that tracks BitTorrent news, in less than a day, the show was downloaded a million times... 'House Piracy: Over 1 Million People Watched 'Game of Thrones' Illegally' http://tinyurl.com/boere7m
[FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: No, Ann this is how IMO we differ: I was making an ayruvedic joke with noozguru that I thought he would enjoy. OTOH I don't think you were doing something that you thought I would enjoy. Really? How benign does it have to be for you to not find something offensive? Obviously fruit is off limits. Sorry about that. From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: The fruit trees sound wonderful and also that you've learned so much about those moths.àSo you got apples for vata, lemons for pitta.àNow you just need something to vitiate kapha.àHow about some watermelons? (-: This is how we differ - I just figured it out. I would have said, So you got apples for homemade apple pie, lemons for fresh lemonade. Now we just need something to satisfy Uncle John. How about some watermelons? Then I would leave out the smiley face. It is interesting how movies tend to have the bad guys du jour.à Is that anything like the soup du jour? From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama àMy organic gardening is limited to my apple tree and trying to keep the pests out of it. This year I got the coddling moth traps out early and there were no moths caught until a week or so ago and by early I meant early February. And that was only possible because I had a trap left over from last year. Otherwise the stores run out early because you want to put these up before the tree buds because the moths lay their eggs on the buds and then you wind up with wormy apples. However we've had colder weather than usual and the moths haven't been around until lately. Frankly not sure that trying to maintain an apple tree is worth it because you may wind up paying more to maintain the tree than you will just buying bags of organic apples. The lemon tree takes care of itself with occasional pruning from the gardening service. Gardening is not my hobby. As for planting crops the soil is too rocky for that. There was a similar experience with the remake of Red Dawn and the Chinese. You'd think the movie producers would learn. They should have made the source of the pandemic a biotech company but then maybe Monstersanto would have thrown a tantrum. In a 1970s movie it would have been a US government experience going awry. DHS = Department of Homeland Security. On 04/02/2013 08:47 AM, Share Long wrote: Jeffrey Smith the food activist here in FF is giving a free presentation tonight about recognizing genuine organic food in local stores. I bet the auditorium will be packed. I'm planning to grow baby bok choy (-: noozguru, your item about the Chinese and the movie industry is quite alarming. What came to mind was how brilliant Maharishi was to have MUM forge alliances with Chinese universities. But oy, how will I ever learn Madarin? In your joke about Holi and colored powered, I don't know who DHS is. From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama Probably better the US government get shutdown than for the asura Monsanto to poison the world. On 03/30/2013 07:36 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, and anyone else, what about the point that if Obama hadn't signed the bill, there would be no budget and the fed govt would have shut down for a week? Is that true? How the heck did the Monsanto aspect get put into the budget aspect? Do you think the Dems allowed the situation to avoid taking a stand against Monsanto? From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama People are pissed that Obama is a shill for Monsanto. Glad to see the public reacting. Makes Michele's efforts for organic farming a bit phony. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57576835/critics-slam-obama-for-protecting-monsanto/ Do samyama on Destroy Monsanto.
[FairfieldLife] Ranking States by Freedom
Wyoming belongs at the top of that chart... Say Uncle: http://tinyurl.com/cy3ruex Number 1: North Dakota http://freedominthe50states.org/
[FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Angels of Yahoo at work. I actually posted this at 8:43 pm Central on Tuesday but it didn't show up in my inbox til 3:55 am Central on Wednesday. I was expecting and dreading a blizzard of posts about it, especially from Judy and Ann who seemed upset by my questions about Robin's recent postings. Lordy, Lordy, Lordy. What did I say in my blizzard of upsetness that would make you think this? I think it was something like good luck posted to Judy. turq, I was wondering if you and your household did the whole Easter egg thing for Maya. Is that a tradition in Holland?   noozguru if I offended you with my comments about the fruit trees, I apologize. I think of ayurveda as something you and I can joke about since we're both into it. Just as I think of jyotish as something John and I can joke about because we're both into it. So John, apologies to you too if I offended you by my recent comment about jokes and jyotish. What would make you think he would possibly be offended? Where are you going with this? Easter is over, enough with the martyrdom. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 4:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: No, Ann this is how IMO we differ: I was making an ayruvedic joke with noozguru that I thought he would enjoy. OTOH I don't think you were doing something that you thought I would enjoy. If I may be more blunt, Ann was just being a minion- bitch, trying to impress the uber-bitch by continuing to rag on you, *no matter what you post*. Junior high school clique-bitch behavior to the max. Welcome to the club. You'll get used to it, and if history is any indicator, you can expect their harassment of you to continue in the future as long as it has for Curtis, myself, and anyone who has pleasant conversations with us from time to time. Bitches never forget a grudge. What is even sadder is that they think of this as a sign of strength. From: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: The fruit trees sound wonderful and also that you've learned so much about those moths.ÃâàSo you got apples for vata, lemons for pitta.ÃâàNow you just need something to vitiate kapha.ÃâàHow about some watermelons? (-: This is how we differ - I just figured it out. I would have said, So you got apples for homemade apple pie, lemons for fresh lemonade. Now we just need something to satisfy Uncle John. How about some watermelons? Then I would leave out the smiley face. It is interesting how movies tend to have the bad guys du jour.Ãâ Is that anything like the soup du jour?àFrom: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama My organic gardening is limited to my apple tree and trying to keep the pests out of it. This year I got the coddling moth traps out early and there were no moths caught until a week or so ago and by early I meant early February. And that was only possible because I had a trap left over from last year. Otherwise the stores run out early because you want to put these up before the tree buds because the moths lay their eggs on the buds and then you wind up with wormy apples. However we've had colder weather than usual and the moths haven't been around until lately. Frankly not sure that trying to maintain an apple tree is worth it because you may wind up paying more to maintain the tree than you will just buying bags of organic apples. The lemon tree takes care of itself with occasional pruning from the gardening service. Gardening is not my hobby. As for planting crops the soil is too rocky for that. There was a similar experience with the remake of Red Dawn and the Chinese. You'd think the movie producers would learn. They should have made the source of the pandemic a biotech company but then maybe Monstersanto would have thrown a tantrum. In a 1970s movie it would have been a US government experience going awry. DHS = Department of Homeland Security. On 04/02/2013 08:47 AM, Share Long wrote: Jeffrey Smith the food activist here in FF is giving a free presentation tonight about recognizing genuine organic food in local stores. I bet the auditorium will be packed.
[FairfieldLife] For Emily
Hey Em, I just ordered and started to read the Eben Alexander book Proof of Heaven you recommended. I will let you know what I think, so far so good. Am looking forward to reading this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMSP again
Well, Buck I did the TM Sidhi minus flying again today - not as blissful as yesterday... Buck: That is great, don't anguish over it... According Sogyal Rinpoche, in his great book, 'The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying' meditation is simply resting, undistracted, in the View, once it has been introduced. His teacher Dudjom Rinpoche, once described meditation as being attentive to a state of 'Rigpa', experiencing free from all mental constructions, whilst remaining fully relaxed, without any distraction or grasping. Meditation states Rinpoche, is not striving, but naturally becoming assimilated into it (163). Work cited: 'The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying' By Sogyal Rinpoche HarperCollins, 2002
[FairfieldLife] Re: Uh-oh...Oprah's off the program
turquoiseb: Here she is hangin' with Thich Nhat Hanh, one of them dreaded Buddhists. All Buddhists are TMers - Thich Nhat Hanh meditates every day. You're thinking that 'TM' is a special practice, different somehow to Zen meditation? If so, *exactly* how is TM different from 'Zen' meditation practice? Sitting meditation is like returning home to give full attention to and care for yourself. Deer Park Monastery, Escondido, CA http://deerparkmonastery.org/ Nabby will have a cow. :-) Go figure. [https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/72621_5973750436\ 23525_846568786_n.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Uh-oh...Oprah's off the program
Share Long: My calving will be reserved for if and when she meets and greets the Scientology folks, grin and chortle. Maybe Oprah already met the Scientology folks, like when Tom Cruise was on her show with Kirstie. LoL! Here she is hangin' with Thich Nhat Hanh, one of them dreaded Buddhists. Nabby will have a cow. :-)
[FairfieldLife] A Call to Group Meditation
A Call to Group Meditation The Korean thing took a serious turn last night. The ignorant god-less and anti-spiritual communalist North Koreans closed the huge industrial area along the border. Korean watchers a few days ago said that when that happens things are serious. Doors at the Dome group meditation close at 5pm and 7:30am -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
grin and chortle but would it be possible to have a few details question mark exclamation point Were eggs dyed then hidden? Was the Easter Bunny mentioned? Any jelly beans and chocolate happening? Most importantly, how did she get on with the whole thing? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: turq, I was wondering if you and your household did the whole Easter egg thing for Maya. Is that a tradition in Holland? It is now. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide
I don't know Doc. I still think somewhere along the way Monsanto is holding a gun to people's heads. Or to the heads of their loved ones. Actually I've wondered all along if Obama has received death threats about his wife and daughters. OTOH maybe I've read way too many spy novels (-: From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide Death by a thousand cuts. Starts out as a way to capitalize on this power over nature, GM food - take profit where they can get it. Once a company goes public (in quotes to reflect the relative few that own most stocks) the motive for making money is abstracted into the need for a corporation to perform for its stockholders. Then, when industries like food production and health care are involved, people become expendable in the face of greater corporate profits. Bad enough here in the US, but overseas the model is strictly corporate colonialism. Many of the regulations and laws here in the US, meant to stem this *blindness* for profits, go Out The Window, when these entities operate overseas. The idea behind colonies was for the more technically powerful countries to suck dry the less powerful countries. That is what corporations have replaced, including sometimes chewing up people in the process. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: why why why? What hold does Monsanto have over these people? The whole thing baffles me. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide  On 03/28/2013 01:29 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/271-38/16674-focus-monsanto-and-the-seeds-of-suicide Obama signed HR 993 which has a rider protecting Monsanto. Obama has now proved to be an enemy of the people. He's frequently called Bush III. http://gmoinside.org/president-obama-were-not-going-away/
[FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Angels of Yahoo at work. I actually posted this at 8:43 pm Central on Tuesday but it didn't show up in my inbox til 3:55 am Central on Wednesday. I was expecting and dreading a blizzard of posts about it, especially from Judy and Ann who seemed upset by my questions about Robin's recent postings. You are so full of shit your eyes are brown. Nobody buys your injured innocence act. Barry took up with it only because it gave him a chance to take a swat at his enemies. Nobody buys his silly rants any more either. You were not expecting and dreading any blizzard of posts from Ann or me or anybody else. You made that up in a craven play for sympathy. I found your unwillingness to be up front about your disapproval of Robin's posts contemptible. That's quite different from being upset by your disingenuous questions. The person who is upset is you, because you didn't think I'd see through your charade. And this next paragraph is still more bullshit; it's running down your cheeks now. You know damn well nobody was offended by your comments about fruit trees or jyotish, nor did anybody suggest that was the case. noozguru if I offended you with my comments about the fruit trees, I apologize. I think of ayurveda as something you and I can joke about since we're both into it. Just as I think of jyotish as something John and I can joke about because we're both into it. So John, apologies to you too if I offended you by my recent comment about jokes and jyotish. The only thing you need to apologize for is your transparent fraudulence. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 4:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: No, Ann this is how IMO we differ: I was making an ayruvedic joke with noozguru that I thought he would enjoy. OTOH I don't think you were doing something that you thought I would enjoy. If I may be more blunt, Ann was just being a minion- bitch, trying to impress the uber-bitch by continuing to rag on you, *no matter what you post*. Junior high school clique-bitch behavior to the max. Welcome to the club. You'll get used to it, and if history is any indicator, you can expect their harassment of you to continue in the future as long as it has for Curtis, myself, and anyone who has pleasant conversations with us from time to time. Bitches never forget a grudge. What is even sadder is that they think of this as a sign of strength. From: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: The fruit trees sound wonderful and also that you've learned so much about those moths.ÃâàSo you got apples for vata, lemons for pitta.ÃâàNow you just need something to vitiate kapha.ÃâàHow about some watermelons? (-: This is how we differ - I just figured it out. I would have said, So you got apples for homemade apple pie, lemons for fresh lemonade. Now we just need something to satisfy Uncle John. How about some watermelons? Then I would leave out the smiley face. It is interesting how movies tend to have the bad guys du jour.Ãâ Is that anything like the soup du jour?àFrom: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama My organic gardening is limited to my apple tree and trying to keep the pests out of it. This year I got the coddling moth traps out early and there were no moths caught until a week or so ago and by early I meant early February. And that was only possible because I had a trap left over from last year. Otherwise the stores run out early because you want to put these up before the tree buds because the moths lay their eggs on the buds and then you wind up with wormy apples. However we've had colder weather than usual and the moths haven't been around until lately. Frankly not sure that trying to maintain an apple tree is worth it because you may wind up paying more to maintain the tree than you will just buying bags of organic apples. The lemon tree takes care of itself with occasional pruning from the gardening service. Gardening is not my hobby. As for planting crops the soil is too rocky for that. There was a similar experience with the remake of Red Dawn and the Chinese. You'd think the movie producers would learn. They should have made the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Word Aversions
So now we know that Barry didn't actually read the article he cited. No surprise there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Surely this is an April Fool prank. Surely you don't understand the nature of human beings and the attachments and aversions they form to certain words. Just mention one of the words they have an aversion to in a sentence, and they tend to go batshit crazy. The context doesn't matter...*nothing* matters except that one of their aversion-words appeared before their eyes or in their ears. Take for example the C-word. There are many here who seem to have a *profound* aversion to that word. And it's a perfectly good word, with a long history, even though its common-usage meaning has shifted somewhat in recent years. But just mention it in the context of this discussion group, and some people overreact as if *by* using it you've insulted them hideously, or have attacked them personally. It all seems kinda silly to me, especially with regard to the C-word. Heck, I'd bet that some here have such an aversion to the word that they might even go a little batshit crazy if I do nothing but quote its definition: Definition of CULT 1 : formal religious veneration : worship 2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents 3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents 4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator health cults 5a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad 5b : the object of such devotion 5c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
[FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: grin and chortle but would it be possible to have a few details question mark exclamation point. Were eggs dyed then hidden? Better that than in the reverse order, n'est-ce pas? :-) Was the Easter Bunny mentioned? Not only mentioned but present, as I dressed up in a large bunny costume and hopped furiously around the house chasing her and demanding my eggs back. Not really, but I did toy with the idea. :-) Any jelly beans and chocolate happening? No jelly beans, but chocolate bunnies were present, and devoured. Most importantly, how did she get on with the whole thing? She liked it, and turned out to be a natural at finding the eggs, no matter how clever the hiding places were. This does not bode well for future hiding places used to conceal sharp objects and early Christmas or birthday presents. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: turq, I was wondering if you and your household did the whole Easter egg thing for Maya. Is that a tradition in Holland? It is now. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Will LBS soon publish the words of Guru DEV? Some stand ready 2 assist him in that!!
Richard and merudanda too, thank you both for posting links about Guru Dev. Richard thanks too for all the summaries you do. I've saved quite a few of them and yes I realize they're in archives. Now a question: what do you think it means when he says that the mind...will withdraw from samsara on its own? I've never heard it expressed this way. navashok, any thoughts on this? From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 9:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Will LBS soon publish the words of Guru DEV? Some stand ready 2 assist him in that!! wleed3: Will LBS soon publish the words of Guru DEV? In reality, the aim of life is to stop the mind from involvement with this world. If one engages in the spiritual practice of Bhagavan and in thinking and speaking about Him, the mind will start dwelling on Him, and after some time, it will withdraw from samsara on its own. - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm 'Rocks Are Melting' The Everyday Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Jagadguru Shankaracharya, Jyotir Math, Himalayas, 1941-53] Translation Edited and Annotation by Cynthia A. Humes Edited and Introduction by L. B. Shriver Compiled by Rameswar Tiwari Clear River Press, 2001 http://tinyurl.com/6nl5ml
[FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Angels of Yahoo at work. I actually posted this at 8:43 pm Central on Tuesday but it didn't show up in my inbox til 3:55 am Central on Wednesday. I was expecting and dreading a blizzard of posts about it, especially from Judy and Ann who seemed upset by my questions about Robin's recent postings. Dear Share, I think your questions to Judy about why I wrote that analysis of Barry, and those two responses to Curtis, were valid questions. I just don't get Judy's answer to you. The thing is, when I saw that you were perplexed as to why I would post something like this (Barry Curtis), I realized: Goddam it! *I* don't even know myself why I did this! So, contrary to what Judy's post seemed to indicate (you will have to ask her about *her* post; it needed way more explanation even than mine re: BW and then CM did) I believe you opened me up to some self-examination--as to my actual motives. And having searched my heart, Share, I will have to admit: There was no bloody good reason for those posts whatsoever. I only wish I could have felt the impact of your remarkable objectivity before I posted them; because if I had, I would not now experience the wish that I had not posted. Just make sure you realize one thing, Share: There is at least one other person--besides Steve--who perfectly understands you. Indeed I think I have gone even beyond Steve in this instance. Thank you, Share. In a sense you undid me in just the right way. You are much superior to any Zen Roshi I have studied under. In a way that is perhaps only meaningful to you and to me, what you initially posted to Judy amounts to a Share Koan--and the Satori it produced in me, therefore, will have to remain a secret between you and me. I realize most everyone at FFL will not comprehend this, Share; but the real point here is: I loved that post of yours to Judy. And I was disappointed at her defensiveness and negativity--Ann does the same thing, I believe. I think in some way they would both deny (raunchy and Emily have some issues here too; as I think you know) you threaten them. But you probably understand women better than I do. For once, Barry got it right when he responded in sympathy to you today. I certainly wish I could revise that analysis now. Know this, Share: You did a good deed for me. Martyrdom, as you know, can sometimes be secretly triumphant. I believe that is the case in your contretemps with authfriend--and AWB. And let the unbelievers think I am being ironic here. You will know the difference. At least I pray you will. Robin turq, I was wondering if you and your household did the whole Easter egg thing for Maya. Is that a tradition in Holland?   noozguru if I offended you with my comments about the fruit trees, I apologize. I think of ayurveda as something you and I can joke about since we're both into it. Just as I think of jyotish as something John and I can joke about because we're both into it. So John, apologies to you too if I offended you by my recent comment about jokes and jyotish. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 4:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: No, Ann this is how IMO we differ: I was making an ayruvedic joke with noozguru that I thought he would enjoy. OTOH I don't think you were doing something that you thought I would enjoy. If I may be more blunt, Ann was just being a minion- bitch, trying to impress the uber-bitch by continuing to rag on you, *no matter what you post*. Junior high school clique-bitch behavior to the max. Welcome to the club. You'll get used to it, and if history is any indicator, you can expect their harassment of you to continue in the future as long as it has for Curtis, myself, and anyone who has pleasant conversations with us from time to time. Bitches never forget a grudge. What is even sadder is that they think of this as a sign of strength. From: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: The fruit trees sound wonderful and also that you've learned so much about those moths.ÃâàSo you got apples for vata, lemons for pitta.ÃâàNow you just need something to vitiate kapha.ÃâàHow about some watermelons? (-: This is how we differ - I just figured it out. I would have said, So you got apples for homemade apple pie, lemons for fresh lemonade. Now we just need something to satisfy Uncle John. How about some watermelons?
[FairfieldLife] Development of Total Brain Courses Live Webinars Broadcast from MERU
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[FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
Bhairitu: Do samyama on Destroy Monsanto. Exactly which tantric spells or secret mantras would accomplish this? LoL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
Dear Robin, Once again you have helped me see the light. I cringe in remorse at the recognition of my rotten attitude. I can only hope that Ann is able to undergo a similar change of heart. The sincerity with which you write to Share here is a beacon illuminating the authenticity of her objective and innocent questions about the reasons for your recent posts. If you will permit me, I hereby offer up a prayer for healing for all of us that I found on the Web (very slightly edited): For all our relationships, all our ancestors and all their relationships through all time, through all our lives, for all hurts and wrongs: physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, sexual and financial through thought, word or deed--please help us all forgive each other, forgive ourselves, forgive all people and all people forgive us, completely and totally, no matter what. I think that should handle it. Thank you, Robin. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Angels of Yahoo at work. I actually posted this at 8:43 pm Central on Tuesday but it didn't show up in my inbox til 3:55 am Central on Wednesday. I was expecting and dreading a blizzard of posts about it, especially from Judy and Ann who seemed upset by my questions about Robin's recent postings. Dear Share, I think your questions to Judy about why I wrote that analysis of Barry, and those two responses to Curtis, were valid questions. I just don't get Judy's answer to you. The thing is, when I saw that you were perplexed as to why I would post something like this (Barry Curtis), I realized: Goddam it! *I* don't even know myself why I did this! So, contrary to what Judy's post seemed to indicate (you will have to ask her about *her* post; it needed way more explanation even than mine re: BW and then CM did) I believe you opened me up to some self-examination--as to my actual motives. And having searched my heart, Share, I will have to admit: There was no bloody good reason for those posts whatsoever. I only wish I could have felt the impact of your remarkable objectivity before I posted them; because if I had, I would not now experience the wish that I had not posted. Just make sure you realize one thing, Share: There is at least one other person--besides Steve--who perfectly understands you. Indeed I think I have gone even beyond Steve in this instance. Thank you, Share. In a sense you undid me in just the right way. You are much superior to any Zen Roshi I have studied under. In a way that is perhaps only meaningful to you and to me, what you initially posted to Judy amounts to a Share Koan--and the Satori it produced in me, therefore, will have to remain a secret between you and me. I realize most everyone at FFL will not comprehend this, Share; but the real point here is: I loved that post of yours to Judy. And I was disappointed at her defensiveness and negativity--Ann does the same thing, I believe. I think in some way they would both deny (raunchy and Emily have some issues here too; as I think you know) you threaten them. But you probably understand women better than I do. For once, Barry got it right when he responded in sympathy to you today. I certainly wish I could revise that analysis now. Know this, Share: You did a good deed for me. Martyrdom, as you know, can sometimes be secretly triumphant. I believe that is the case in your contretemps with authfriend--and AWB. And let the unbelievers think I am being ironic here. You will know the difference. At least I pray you will. Robin turq, I was wondering if you and your household did the whole Easter egg thing for Maya. Is that a tradition in Holland?   noozguru if I offended you with my comments about the fruit trees, I apologize. I think of ayurveda as something you and I can joke about since we're both into it. Just as I think of jyotish as something John and I can joke about because we're both into it. So John, apologies to you too if I offended you by my recent comment about jokes and jyotish. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 4:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: No, Ann this is how IMO we differ: I was making an ayruvedic joke with noozguru that I thought he would enjoy. OTOH I don't think you were doing something that you thought I would enjoy. If I may be more blunt, Ann was just being a minion- bitch, trying to impress the uber-bitch by continuing to rag on you, *no matter what you post*. Junior high school clique-bitch behavior to the max. Welcome to the club.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
On 04/03/2013 04:23 AM, Share Long wrote: Angels of Yahoo at work. I actually posted this at 8:43 pm Central on Tuesday but it didn't show up in my inbox til 3:55 am Central on Wednesday. I was expecting and dreading a blizzard of posts about it, especially from Judy and Ann who seemed upset by my questions about Robin's recent postings. turq, I was wondering if you and your household did the whole Easter egg thing for Maya. Is that a tradition in Holland? noozguru if I offended you with my comments about the fruit trees, I apologize. I think of ayurveda as something you and I can joke about since we're both into it. Just as I think of jyotish as something John and I can joke about because we're both into it. So John, apologies to you too if I offended you by my recent comment about jokes and jyotish. I'm not offended by much of anything. Line on water. However the apples from the tree ARE green ones and thus a bit sour and not for much use other than making pies. :-D And though I do like watermelon it tends to sit in my stomach like a rock. Yup, not so good for the kapha. Cucumbers are even worse.
[FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: No, Ann this is how IMO we differ: I was making an ayruvedic joke with noozguru that I thought he would enjoy. OTOH I don't think you were doing something that you thought I would enjoy. If I may be more blunt, Ann was just being a minion- bitch, trying to impress the uber-bitch by continuing to rag on you, *no matter what you post*. Junior high school clique-bitch behavior to the max. Welcome to the club. You'll get used to it, and if history is any indicator, you can expect their harassment of you to continue in the future as long as it has for Curtis, myself, and anyone who has pleasant conversations with us from time to time. Bitches never forget a grudge. What is even sadder is that they think of this as a sign of strength. I resent the implication that I am a minion-bitch here. If I can't be the uber version then I am taking my verbal weaponry and plying my trade elsewhere. I can clearly see I am under appreciated here. I'm used to being the top banana, the big cheese and I refuse to play any sort of second fiddle to anyone. Understood? From: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: The fruit trees sound wonderful and also that you've learned so much about those moths.àSo you got apples for vata, lemons for pitta.àNow you just need something to vitiate kapha.àHow about some watermelons? (-: This is how we differ - I just figured it out. I would have said, So you got apples for homemade apple pie, lemons for fresh lemonade. Now we just need something to satisfy Uncle John. How about some watermelons? Then I would leave out the smiley face. It is interesting how movies tend to have the bad guys du jour.à Is that anything like the soup du jour? From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama My organic gardening is limited to my apple tree and trying to keep the pests out of it. This year I got the coddling moth traps out early and there were no moths caught until a week or so ago and by early I meant early February. And that was only possible because I had a trap left over from last year. Otherwise the stores run out early because you want to put these up before the tree buds because the moths lay their eggs on the buds and then you wind up with wormy apples. However we've had colder weather than usual and the moths haven't been around until lately. Frankly not sure that trying to maintain an apple tree is worth it because you may wind up paying more to maintain the tree than you will just buying bags of organic apples. The lemon tree takes care of itself with occasional pruning from the gardening service. Gardening is not my hobby. As for planting crops the soil is too rocky for that. There was a similar experience with the remake of Red Dawn and the Chinese. You'd think the movie producers would learn. They should have made the source of the pandemic a biotech company but then maybe Monstersanto would have thrown a tantrum. In a 1970s movie it would have been a US government experience going awry. DHS = Department of Homeland Security. On 04/02/2013 08:47 AM, Share Long wrote: Jeffrey Smith the food activist here in FF is giving a free presentation tonight about recognizing genuine organic food in local stores. I bet the auditorium will be packed. I'm planning to grow baby bok choy (-: noozguru, your item about the Chinese and the movie industry is quite alarming. What came to mind was how brilliant Maharishi was to have MUM forge alliances with Chinese universities. But oy, how will I ever learn Madarin? In your joke about Holi and colored powered, I don't know who DHS is. From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama Probably better the US government get shutdown than for the asura Monsanto to poison the world. On 03/30/2013 07:36 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, and anyone else, what about the point that if Obama hadn't signed the bill, there would be no budget and the fed govt would have shut down for a week? Is that true? How the heck did the Monsanto aspect get put into the budget aspect?
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Emily
Ann - I am glad you are reading the book. Now you and I and Curtis and MJ and any other readers can discuss it. Ha. When I told Curtis I would put my thoughts out there - I had to go back and re-read the book! The book showed up as a gift to me from a friend - so I read it. I read it at face value. I have no background in NDE experiences and haven't read much on them - interesting phenomenon though. I don't want to say too much yet as you are reading it, but, as a first impression, it is, in my view, a story of one man's journey from one place to another and I found it interesting in several respects (don't you love how I just said absolutely nothing?). It is not a book of great spiritual or philosophical import; he scratches the surface of a lot of topics, but he makes some bold statements. His personality, his beginning process of recovery, his struggle to understand and process his NDE and experience - all this comes through. What I liked about this book was that I assumed the author did not have a background or belief system that was guiding his experiences - so it gave his experience a different sort of credibility for me - but it is clear he struggled to put the non-scientific aspects of it (the parts not related to his medical illness) on paper, struggled to find the words. Given this assumption that I made/make - I thought his elementary and simple statements somewhat astonishing. But, given also, the comments on this forum by Xeno and others, I am also clear that I do not necessarily understand the relationship between NDE's and consciousness - are they real? or are they a product of an ill brain? I still haven't read the reviews, but I likely will for another perspective. I do love some of the lines in this book though, as well as many of the quotes he uses towards the end of the book to begin his chapter's with. Out of curiosity, I will also likely read Anita Moorjani's book (Dying to Be Me). She has a Hindu background, so the book may reflect her worldview as impacted by that, but I'll read it anyway. Enjoy, it's a quick and easy read, geared, IMO, towards the masses. From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 6:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Emily Hey Em, I just ordered and started to read the Eben Alexander book Proof of Heaven you recommended. I will let you know what I think, so far so good. Am looking forward to reading this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 04/03/2013 04:23 AM, Share Long wrote: Angels of Yahoo at work. I actually posted this at 8:43 pm Central on Tuesday but it didn't show up in my inbox til 3:55 am Central on Wednesday. I was expecting and dreading a blizzard of posts about it, especially from Judy and Ann who seemed upset by my questions about Robin's recent postings. turq, I was wondering if you and your household did the whole Easter egg thing for Maya. Is that a tradition in Holland? noozguru if I offended you with my comments about the fruit trees, I apologize. I think of ayurveda as something you and I can joke about since we're both into it. Just as I think of jyotish as something John and I can joke about because we're both into it. So John, apologies to you too if I offended you by my recent comment about jokes and jyotish. I'm not offended by much of anything. Line on water. However the apples from the tree ARE green ones and thus a bit sour and not for much use other than making pies. :-D Sounds good. We can pick 'em and I'd be happy to do the baking. My mother had the best recipe I know, you'll love it. And though I do like watermelon it tends to sit in my stomach like a rock. Yup, not so good for the kapha. Cucumbers are even worse.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers Pirates
On 04/03/2013 06:13 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Reuters - A computer hacker was sentenced on Monday to three years and five months in prison for stealing the personal data of about 120,000 Apple Inc iPad users, including big-city mayors, a TV network news anchor and a Hollywood movie mogul... 'U.S. computer hacker gets three-and-a-half years for stealing iPad user data' http://tinyurl.com/c72z58j Bhairitu: And your point is? Refrain from hacking? According to TorrentFreak, a news site that tracks BitTorrent news, in less than a day, the show was downloaded a million times... 'House Piracy: Over 1 Million People Watched 'Game of Thrones' Illegally' http://tinyurl.com/boere7m Not into Game of Thrones but the first episode may have been available online legally anyway. HBO does have a channel on YouTube and sometimes put up the first episode as a hook to get people to sign up. The real problem that even Time-Warner (who owns HBO) is trying to deal with is the long term contracts with cable and satellite providers when the new paradigm is online streaming. With people cutting the cable the time is ripe for change.
[FairfieldLife] To Curtis
Hi Curtis: What do you think of this song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQVOvRpI3rElist=ALHTd1VmZQRNqgzJoiD3jr0XCh5QpQKiJa
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: What I liked about this book was that I assumed the author did not have a background or belief system that was guiding his experiences - so it gave his experience a different sort of credibility for me - Me: I don't believe this is an option for any of us. It gives too much weight to our conscious beliefs and not enough to the cultural programming as well as our cognitive habits. (Such as instantly ascribing conscious motives to even inanimate things.) We soak in the archetypes, myths and stories of our culture. I've certainly made an attempt to rid myself of many beliefs, but the conditioning runs to deep. And that goes double for any experience like altered brain functioning though illness, injury or drugs. Altered states are altered from our usual mix of our conscious attention habits, so we fall back on more primitive images and impressions. Just as people experience God though the filter of their exposure culturally to specific versions of the idea, (allowing that Hindus might experience Jesus, who they have heard about, but not Zeus if they had not.) And then we have archetypical images that seem to go between cultures and about which we understand very little, but have been pretty well described by Anthony Campbell as well as imaginatively (some of it unwarranted IMO) enhanced by Carl Jung. Mother and child love and intimacy is so deep in us. Father's seemingly invincible protective power runs across cultures. And not surprisingly, under the conditions of altered states, they pop up with a full narratives embedded in the full blown experience. So I am thinking that none of us are innocents and belief-free. I read about a study that showed that atheists are no less vulnerable to ascribing agency to coincidence events than religious believers. That really made me laugh, but it is so true. We may think it through differently after the fact, but in the moment the connection emerges unbidden and uninfluenced by our more conscious beliefs. Conception always guides even our experience of a chair as a chair. How much more of an influence there must be under the conditions of altered states. Ann - I am glad you are reading the book.  Now you and I and Curtis and MJ and any other readers can discuss it.  Ha.  When I told Curtis I would put my thoughts out there - I had to go back and re-read the book!   The book showed up as a gift to me from a friend - so I read it.  I read it at face value.  I have no background in NDE experiences and haven't read much on them - interesting phenomenon though. I don't want to say too much yet as you are reading it, but, as a first impression, it is, in my view, a story of one man's journey from one place to another and I found it interesting in several respects (don't you love how I just said absolutely nothing?).  It is not a book of great spiritual or philosophical import; he scratches the surface of a lot of topics, but he makes some bold statements.  His personality, his beginning process of recovery, his struggle to understand and process his NDE and experience - all this comes through.  What I liked about this book was that I assumed the author did not have a background or belief system that was guiding his experiences - so it gave his experience a different sort of credibility for me - but it is clear he struggled to put the non-scientific aspects of it (the parts not related to his medical illness) on paper, struggled to find the words.  Given this assumption that I made/make - I thought his elementary and simple statements somewhat astonishing.  But, given also, the comments on this forum by Xeno and others, I am also clear that I do not necessarily understand the relationship between NDE's and consciousness - are they real? or are they a product of an ill brain?  I still haven't read the reviews, but I likely will for another perspective.  I do love some of the lines in this book though, as well as many of the quotes he uses towards the end of the book to begin his chapter's with.   Out of curiosity, I will also likely read Anita Moorjani's book (Dying to Be Me). She has a Hindu background, so the book may reflect her worldview as impacted by that, but I'll read it anyway.  Enjoy, it's a quick and easy read, geared, IMO, towards the masses.  From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 6:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Emily  Hey Em, I just ordered and started to read the Eben Alexander book Proof of Heaven you recommended. I will let you know what I think, so far so good. Am looking forward to reading this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
I gotta role for today, but will get back to this tomorrow. I just sent you a song to soften you up. Ha. Smile. Smiley Face. Etc., etc. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: What I liked about this book was that I assumed the author did not have a background or belief system that was guiding his experiences - so it gave his experience a different sort of credibility for me - Me: I don't believe this is an option for any of us. It gives too much weight to our conscious beliefs and not enough to the cultural programming as well as our cognitive habits. (Such as instantly ascribing conscious motives to even inanimate things.) We soak in the archetypes, myths and stories of our culture. I've certainly made an attempt to rid myself of many beliefs, but the conditioning runs to deep. And that goes double for any experience like altered brain functioning though illness, injury or drugs. Altered states are altered from our usual mix of our conscious attention habits, so we fall back on more primitive images and impressions. Just as people experience God though the filter of their exposure culturally to specific versions of the idea, (allowing that Hindus might experience Jesus, who they have heard about, but not Zeus if they had not.) And then we have archetypical images that seem to go between cultures and about which we understand very little, but have been pretty well described by Anthony Campbell as well as imaginatively (some of it unwarranted IMO) enhanced by Carl Jung. Mother and child love and intimacy is so deep in us. Father's seemingly invincible protective power runs across cultures. And not surprisingly, under the conditions of altered states, they pop up with a full narratives embedded in the full blown experience. So I am thinking that none of us are innocents and belief-free. I read about a study that showed that atheists are no less vulnerable to ascribing agency to coincidence events than religious believers. That really made me laugh, but it is so true. We may think it through differently after the fact, but in the moment the connection emerges unbidden and uninfluenced by our more conscious beliefs. Conception always guides even our experience of a chair as a chair. How much more of an influence there must be under the conditions of altered states. Ann - I am glad you are reading the book.  Now you and I and Curtis and MJ and any other readers can discuss it.  Ha.  When I told Curtis I would put my thoughts out there - I had to go back and re-read the book!   The book showed up as a gift to me from a friend - so I read it.  I read it at face value.  I have no background in NDE experiences and haven't read much on them - interesting phenomenon though. I don't want to say too much yet as you are reading it, but, as a first impression, it is, in my view, a story of one man's journey from one place to another and I found it interesting in several respects (don't you love how I just said absolutely nothing?).  It is not a book of great spiritual or philosophical import; he scratches the surface of a lot of topics, but he makes some bold statements.  His personality, his beginning process of recovery, his struggle to understand and process his NDE and experience - all this comes through.  What I liked about this book was that I assumed the author did not have a background or belief system that was guiding his experiences - so it gave his experience a different sort of credibility for me - but it is clear he struggled to put the non-scientific aspects of it (the parts not related to his medical illness) on paper, struggled to find the words.  Given this assumption that I made/make - I thought his elementary and simple statements somewhat astonishing.  But, given also, the comments on this forum by Xeno and others, I am also clear that I do not necessarily understand the relationship between NDE's and consciousness - are they real? or are they a product of an ill brain?  I still haven't read the reviews, but I likely will for another perspective.  I do love some of the lines in this book though, as well as many of the quotes he uses towards the end of the book to begin his chapter's with.   Out of curiosity, I will also likely read Anita Moorjani's book (Dying to Be Me). She has a Hindu background, so the book may reflect her worldview as impacted by that, but I'll read it anyway.  Enjoy, it's a quick and easy read, geared, IMO, towards the masses.  From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 6:34 AM Subject:
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis
I loved everything about it, thanks for posting it. The lyrics totally rock, I love how she shifts from the personal to the philosophical questions. What a great model for songwriting. I especially appreciate her banjo riffs. I've been working on my African gourd banjo lately trying to expand my repertoire, and it has been really hard to find riffs that speak to me. There is so much what I call diddly dee vibe in most American banjo. I've been going to Mali Africa for inspiration but her musical choices really resonate with me. I could see making a song out of a riff like hers so that helps me focus my quest for cool riffs I can write over. Big help, thanks. Here is my beautiful gourd banjo. Pete Ross makes them for museums and musicians from paintings of plantation era gourd banjos. It has natural gut strings and the warmest tone. I plan to record on it for my next CD. http://banjopete.com/mandebanza.html Here is the late Mike Seeger who taught me this song which I perform in some of my adult shows, playing a gourd banjo. (special attention to the last verse). He learned if from a black man named Josh Thomas from VA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNhokO8auCE Another version with some commentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udSxPjk9EVw --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Hi Curtis: What do you think of this song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQVOvRpI3rElist=ALHTd1VmZQRNqgzJoiD3jr0XCh5QpQKiJa
[FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: No, Ann this is how IMO we differ: I was making an ayruvedic joke with noozguru that I thought he would enjoy. OTOH I don't think you were doing something that you thought I would enjoy. If I may be more blunt, Ann was just being a minion- bitch, trying to impress the uber-bitch by continuing to rag on you, *no matter what you post*. Junior high school clique-bitch behavior to the max. Welcome to the club. You'll get used to it, and if history is any indicator, you can expect their harassment of you to continue in the future as long as it has for Curtis, myself, and anyone who has pleasant conversations with us from time to time. Bitches never forget a grudge. What is even sadder is that they think of this as a sign of strength. I resent the implication that I am a minion-bitch here. If I can't be the uber version then I am taking my verbal weaponry and plying my trade elsewhere. I can clearly see I am under appreciated here. I'm used to being the top banana, the big cheese and I refuse to play any sort of second fiddle to anyone. Understood? As the New Yorker would say, Block that metaphor! From: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: The fruit trees sound wonderful and also that you've learned so much about those moths.àSo you got apples for vata, lemons for pitta.àNow you just need something to vitiate kapha.àHow about some watermelons? (-: This is how we differ - I just figured it out. I would have said, So you got apples for homemade apple pie, lemons for fresh lemonade. Now we just need something to satisfy Uncle John. How about some watermelons? Then I would leave out the smiley face. It is interesting how movies tend to have the bad guys du jour.à Is that anything like the soup du jour? From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama My organic gardening is limited to my apple tree and trying to keep the pests out of it. This year I got the coddling moth traps out early and there were no moths caught until a week or so ago and by early I meant early February. And that was only possible because I had a trap left over from last year. Otherwise the stores run out early because you want to put these up before the tree buds because the moths lay their eggs on the buds and then you wind up with wormy apples. However we've had colder weather than usual and the moths haven't been around until lately. Frankly not sure that trying to maintain an apple tree is worth it because you may wind up paying more to maintain the tree than you will just buying bags of organic apples. The lemon tree takes care of itself with occasional pruning from the gardening service. Gardening is not my hobby. As for planting crops the soil is too rocky for that. There was a similar experience with the remake of Red Dawn and the Chinese. You'd think the movie producers would learn. They should have made the source of the pandemic a biotech company but then maybe Monstersanto would have thrown a tantrum. In a 1970s movie it would have been a US government experience going awry. DHS = Department of Homeland Security. On 04/02/2013 08:47 AM, Share Long wrote: Jeffrey Smith the food activist here in FF is giving a free presentation tonight about recognizing genuine organic food in local stores. I bet the auditorium will be packed. I'm planning to grow baby bok choy (-: noozguru, your item about the Chinese and the movie industry is quite alarming. What came to mind was how brilliant Maharishi was to have MUM forge alliances with Chinese universities. But oy, how will I ever learn Madarin? In your joke about Holi and colored powered, I don't know who DHS is. From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama Probably better the US government get shutdown than for the asura Monsanto to poison the world. On 03/30/2013 07:36 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, and anyone
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
I wonder how the apples would turn out if baked. Anyway, ok, no cukes, no watermelon, no rocks. Though now I'm remembering something Maharishi supposedly said: that a happy man could digest a rock. I think I'm incorrigible. Must be a pitta thing (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama On 04/03/2013 04:23 AM, Share Long wrote: Angels of Yahoo at work. I actually posted this at 8:43 pm Central on Tuesday but it didn't show up in my inbox til 3:55 am Central on Wednesday. I was expecting and dreading a blizzard of posts about it, especially from Judy and Ann who seemed upset by my questions about Robin's recent postings. turq, I was wondering if you and your household did the whole Easter egg thing for Maya. Is that a tradition in Holland? noozguru if I offended you with my comments about the fruit trees, I apologize. I think of ayurveda as something you and I can joke about since we're both into it. Just as I think of jyotish as something John and I can joke about because we're both into it. So John, apologies to you too if I offended you by my recent comment about jokes and jyotish. I'm not offended by much of anything. Line on water. However the apples from the tree ARE green ones and thus a bit sour and not for much use other than making pies. :-D And though I do like watermelon it tends to sit in my stomach like a rock. Yup, not so good for the kapha. Cucumbers are even worse.
[FairfieldLife] to Robin
Robin, your response to me has not yet appeared in my inbox. I only know of it because I saw it in one of Judy's responses which HAS appeared in my inbox. One of God's little jests no doubt. Anyway, semi annual Dome cleaning today so I'm rushing out. For now I'll simply say that to me you seem ironic almost all of the time. And it does my head in. That's why I wrote to Judy rather than to you about your recent posts. And why I won't say thank you for replying to me. Though I'm glad you're posting again on FFL. Share
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Robin, your response to me has not yet appeared in my inbox. I only know of it because I saw it in one of Judy's responses which HAS appeared in my inbox. One of God's little jests no doubt. Anyway, semi annual Dome cleaning today so I'm rushing out. For now I'll simply say that to me you seem ironic almost all of the time. And it does my head in. That's why I wrote to Judy rather than to you about your recent posts. And why I won't say thank you for replying to me. Though I'm glad you're posting again on FFL. Share Let me know when it does show up. (In this case Gd's just surely cannot last forever--and from your post you have implied it might).
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Sorry for the Thomistic Slip there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Robin, your response to me has not yet appeared in my inbox. I only know of it because I saw it in one of Judy's responses which HAS appeared in my inbox. One of God's little jests no doubt. Anyway, semi annual Dome cleaning today so I'm rushing out. For now I'll simply say that to me you seem ironic almost all of the time. And it does my head in. That's why I wrote to Judy rather than to you about your recent posts. And why I won't say thank you for replying to me. Though I'm glad you're posting again on FFL. Share Let me know when it does show up. (In this case Gd's jest surely cannot last forever--and from your post you have implied it might).
[FairfieldLife] NASA may have found Dark Matter
Although the data are still being collected, NASA has announced that their AMS detector has gathered information that would disclose the fingerprints of the elusive dark matter. http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-announce-major-astrophysics-discovery-today-141138791.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Robin, your response to me has not yet appeared in my inbox. I only know of it because I saw it in one of Judy's responses which HAS appeared in my inbox. One of God's little jests no doubt. Anyway, semi annual Dome cleaning today so I'm rushing out. For now I'll simply say that to me you seem ironic almost all of the time. And it does my head in. That's why I wrote to Judy rather than to you about your recent posts. And why I won't say thank you for replying to me. As I've said before, IMO irony is a tactic used primarily by people without balls who want to be able to tell the truth, but then deny that they said it later, claiming that they were only being ironic. Though I'm glad you're posting again on FFL. Not as glad as the Judester, I'll bet. Finally she has someone to toady up to again and seek approval from. Her minions were never going to fill that bill, because they'd just sling approval her way because they're toadying up to her. :-) I think that we should compassionately wish her well in her quest. It's not easy to get approval from a full-blown NPD personality. But if anyone can pull that level of toadying off, it'll be Jude.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin
Sorry, Share. I misread you. It seems you *have* read my post. But there was no irony in the three posts which led you to write to Judy. So you have left me baffled: Why did you ask Judy why I wrote those posts, since the reason you give here does not apply to those posts? If they were not ironic--and they were not; there must be another reason why you asked Judy that question other than what you tell me here. I do, however, have an answer to the question I have posed to you: viz. Why did you ask Judy that question? It's pretty interesting. Let me know if you want me to tell you. Sincerely, Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Sorry for the Thomistic Slip there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Robin, your response to me has not yet appeared in my inbox. I only know of it because I saw it in one of Judy's responses which HAS appeared in my inbox. One of God's little jests no doubt. Anyway, semi annual Dome cleaning today so I'm rushing out. For now I'll simply say that to me you seem ironic almost all of the time. And it does my head in. That's why I wrote to Judy rather than to you about your recent posts. And why I won't say thank you for replying to me. Though I'm glad you're posting again on FFL. Share Let me know when it does show up. (In this case Gd's jest surely cannot last forever--and from your post you have implied it might).
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin
Look, Barry: between you and me, I just hope the bitch stays silent. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Robin, your response to me has not yet appeared in my inbox. I only know of it because I saw it in one of Judy's responses which HAS appeared in my inbox. One of God's little jests no doubt. Anyway, semi annual Dome cleaning today so I'm rushing out. For now I'll simply say that to me you seem ironic almost all of the time. And it does my head in. That's why I wrote to Judy rather than to you about your recent posts. And why I won't say thank you for replying to me. As I've said before, IMO irony is a tactic used primarily by people without balls who want to be able to tell the truth, but then deny that they said it later, claiming that they were only being ironic. Though I'm glad you're posting again on FFL. Not as glad as the Judester, I'll bet. Finally she has someone to toady up to again and seek approval from. Her minions were never going to fill that bill, because they'd just sling approval her way because they're toadying up to her. :-) I think that we should compassionately wish her well in her quest. It's not easy to get approval from a full-blown NPD personality. But if anyone can pull that level of toadying off, it'll be Jude.
[FairfieldLife] Aeons Before the Big Bang
This is a long and complicated presentation by Roger Penrose about his theory of how the universe began. His theory does not include consciousness or the unified field. It attempts to show the conditions that led to the Big Bang and the laws of nature that were operating then and now. Also, he proposed that evidence of his theory can be detected from the data that have been collected by instruments maintained by NASA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YYWUIxGdl4
[FairfieldLife] Humor From MUM
If people here are offended by my occasional use of salty language, WTF are they going to make of this? I don't know who created it, but my bet is one of the MUM students who contribute to the Facebook MUM Secrets group. Good for him/her, whoever it is. I know about it only because a person who used to contribute here but who has wised up and decided to have a life instead sent it to me. Enjoy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elq1LUQarwA
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
The main use of green apples is for baking or cooking such as apple sauce. Years ago in downtown Seattle there was a restaurant that specialized in green apple pie. According to the neighbors the tree never bore fruit until a year or two after I moved in. It was too young. The previous owner also put in a palm tree but it died a couple years ago. I think it was too confined and probably she got a start from somebody as they are expensive otherwise. I have a palm tree out front and my new gardener did a nice job of topping it this year. I don't think a happy man would enjoy digesting a rock. Just got back from Trader Joes. One has to take out a second mortgage to shop there anymore. I used to go once a week but now it's about once a month. Food inflation is going off the charts but the sheeple don't want to discuss it. I think a lot of our food is going to China because they'll pay more for it. We're probably going to wind up with a science diet for humans. Something like kichari and if so there should be at least three varieties. Overpopulation means a bleak future for humanity. On 04/03/2013 10:36 AM, Share Long wrote: I wonder how the apples would turn out if baked. Anyway, ok, no cukes, no watermelon, no rocks. Though now I'm remembering something Maharishi supposedly said: that a happy man could digest a rock. I think I'm incorrigible. Must be a pitta thing (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama On 04/03/2013 04:23 AM, Share Long wrote: Angels of Yahoo at work. I actually posted this at 8:43 pm Central on Tuesday but it didn't show up in my inbox til 3:55 am Central on Wednesday. I was expecting and dreading a blizzard of posts about it, especially from Judy and Ann who seemed upset by my questions about Robin's recent postings. turq, I was wondering if you and your household did the whole Easter egg thing for Maya. Is that a tradition in Holland? noozguru if I offended you with my comments about the fruit trees, I apologize. I think of ayurveda as something you and I can joke about since we're both into it. Just as I think of jyotish as something John and I can joke about because we're both into it. So John, apologies to you too if I offended you by my recent comment about jokes and jyotish. I'm not offended by much of anything. Line on water. However the apples from the tree ARE green ones and thus a bit sour and not for much use other than making pies. :-D And though I do like watermelon it tends to sit in my stomach like a rock. Yup, not so good for the kapha. Cucumbers are even worse.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin
I can't help myself. The reason why you asked Judy that question, Share, was because you sensed I was letting my anger get the best of me. [Apologies to BW for this sentence only] But I will ask you one other question: How do you account for the fact that DrD knew exactly why I wrote those three posts; and indeed his confidence in the justification for my having done so (as expressed in his post) exceeds in significant measure the perplexity my having done so induced in yourself? The answer here--Let's get it out, dear Share: You asked Judy that question because you tend to resist the contact point in reality where there is the most tension, the most meaning, and the most truth: where it can make a demand upon us which hurts. You are acutely aware of the metaphysical point of the maximum realness (and helplessness), and you are, for Christ's sake, more sensitive to it than I am. So you asked the question to Judy in order to push away the way reality came in on you in those three posts. Not one other person on FFL wondered (the way you professed to wonder, Share) why I wrote those three posts, Share. Why don't you ask yourself THAT question: Why was I, Share Long, the only person who was unable to understand why Robin wrote that analysis of Barry, and those two posts to Curtis? You didn't like having to experience what was going inside of you when you read those three posts, Share. So you turned your psychological aversion into a seemingly guileless question, but in the very act of forming the question you managed to get some distance on the experience that had been engendered in you when you first read those posts. An experience you wished to get rid of. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Robin, your response to me has not yet appeared in my inbox. I only know of it because I saw it in one of Judy's responses which HAS appeared in my inbox. One of God's little jests no doubt. Anyway, semi annual Dome cleaning today so I'm rushing out. For now I'll simply say that to me you seem ironic almost all of the time. And it does my head in. That's why I wrote to Judy rather than to you about your recent posts. And why I won't say thank you for replying to me. Though I'm glad you're posting again on FFL. Share
[FairfieldLife] A graceful but not unexpected leave-taking
My favorite film critic, and in fact the *only* film critic I regularly bother to read, is and has been for many years Roger Ebert. That said, it was impossible to not notice his presence dwindling somewhat on his website in recent weeks, as other reviewers took more and more of a lead role in reviewing the lesser films. Yesterday he announced why. His cancer is back, and he has to focus his energies on fighting it. http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2013/04/a_leave_of_presense.html Roger and I *often* agree in our takes on movies, but that's not really why I love him. It's that after 46 years of doing this he has never lost his love of and enthusiasm for movies. He's possibly seen more movies than all of us combined on this forum, and yet he has never grown jaded and cynical and descended into that oh-so-superior New York kinda film crit that only seems to be happy when it's ragging on something or someone. I wish him luck. He's been as formidable a presence and an influence on world cinema as most filmmakers. I hope he is able to continue being both for many, many years.
[FairfieldLife] This one's for Curtis...
...but also for others here who appreciate language, and the mysterious effects it has on us as human beings. I know that Curtis will appreciate this, given his forays into NLP and the uses of language to manipulate, but others who view writing as an artform and not just a way to flap their literary jaws may appreciate it as well. There are some good tips here for how to write for the Internet, if any are interested in such things. http://lifehacker.com/5993267/the-psychology-of-language-why-are-some-words-more-persuasive-than-others
[FairfieldLife] Are identical twins really identical?
Not so much, as it turns out... http://twentytwowords.com/2013/04/02/portraits-of-identical-twins-side-by-side-for-comparison-14-pictures/ I'm posting this because I read it immediately after reading Leo Widrich's suggestion about trying to eliminate is and other forms of the verb to be from our language, because they imply an equivalence that is not really present. Same with identical twins.
[FairfieldLife] Many Americans Believe Lizard People Run the Country
Here are the other odd facts. http://news.yahoo.com/12-million-americans-believe-lizard-people-run-country-184751427.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: Bhairitu: Do samyama on Destroy Monsanto. Exactly which tantric spells or secret mantras would accomplish this? LoL! As darkness disappears when light is introduced Monsanto will go with the collapse of capitalism :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
Damn! We just got a Trader's Joe's here - its by far the cheapest natural food type place here From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama The main use of green apples is for baking or cooking such as apple sauce. Years ago in downtown Seattle there was a restaurant that specialized in green apple pie. According to the neighbors the tree never bore fruit until a year or two after I moved in. It was too young. The previous owner also put in a palm tree but it died a couple years ago. I think it was too confined and probably she got a start from somebody as they are expensive otherwise. I have a palm tree out front and my new gardener did a nice job of topping it this year. I don't think a happy man would enjoy digesting a rock. Just got back from Trader Joes. One has to take out a second mortgage to shop there anymore. I used to go once a week but now it's about once a month. Food inflation is going off the charts but the sheeple don't want to discuss it. I think a lot of our food is going to China because they'll pay more for it. We're probably going to wind up with a science diet for humans. Something like kichari and if so there should be at least three varieties. Overpopulation means a bleak future for humanity. On 04/03/2013 10:36 AM, Share Long wrote: I wonder how the apples would turn out if baked. Anyway, ok, no cukes, no watermelon, no rocks. Though now I'm remembering something Maharishi supposedly said: that a happy man could digest a rock. I think I'm incorrigible. Must be a pitta thing (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama On 04/03/2013 04:23 AM, Share Long wrote: Angels of Yahoo at work. I actually posted this at 8:43 pm Central on Tuesday but it didn't show up in my inbox til 3:55 am Central on Wednesday. I was expecting and dreading a blizzard of posts about it, especially from Judy and Ann who seemed upset by my questions about Robin's recent postings. turq, I was wondering if you and your household did the whole Easter egg thing for Maya. Is that a tradition in Holland? noozguru if I offended you with my comments about the fruit trees, I apologize. I think of ayurveda as something you and I can joke about since we're both into it. Just as I think of jyotish as something John and I can joke about because we're both into it. So John, apologies to you too if I offended you by my recent comment about jokes and jyotish. I'm not offended by much of anything. Line on water. However the apples from the tree ARE green ones and thus a bit sour and not for much use other than making pies. :-D And though I do like watermelon it tends to sit in my stomach like a rock. Yup, not so good for the kapha. Cucumbers are even worse.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pluto/Uranus -square!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: As a dilettante astrologer I might well state, that from the Western Tropical POV, one of the reasons for e.g. the situation in the Korean peninsula, or whatever, seems to be, at least partly, the approaching exact square between Pluto (Capricorn) and Uranus (Aries). From a purely scientific perspective, Pluto, having been demoted from planet to dwarf planet, no longer has the astrological influence that it used to. Anyhoo, the next exact squares take place, IMO, May 16th and November 1st. Wouldn't it be cool, if the next stock market crash happened very near of either of those dates...? OTOH, October 29th, 1929, the orb was over 11 degrees! FWIW: Pluto: death, etc; Uranus: nuclear fission, and stuff?? Square: aspect of the strongest friction?? One of those might well be the ruling planet of North Korea ... :o
[FairfieldLife] Carnival
Lyrics express very well the feelings of someone waking up from the dream of enlightenment enticement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34MfaRn7_XE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pluto/Uranus -square!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: As a dilettante astrologer I might well state, that from the Western Tropical POV, one of the reasons for e.g. the situation in the Korean peninsula, or whatever, seems to be, at least partly, the approaching exact square between Pluto (Capricorn) and Uranus (Aries). From a purely scientific perspective, Pluto, having been demoted from planet to dwarf planet, no longer has the astrological influence that it used to. Anyhoo, the next exact squares take place, IMO, May 16th and November 1st. Wouldn't it be cool, if the next stock market crash happened very near of either of those dates...? OTOH, October 29th, 1929, the orb was over 11 degrees! FWIW: Pluto: death, etc; Uranus: nuclear fission, and stuff?? Square: aspect of the strongest friction?? One of those might well be the ruling planet of North Korea ... :o Korea enlightenment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KoreaAtNight20121205_NASA.png BTW, in Finnish, the word 'korea' means 'gaudy, gay, bright' etc. :o
[FairfieldLife] Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser
Okay you naysayers, yeah, you, me buddy, Curtis et alia, tell us how this can be scientifically established and yet the universality and probably the transcendent field of consciousness is not also established? It's an experiment that shows two slit particle/wave experiment augmented to see non-physical awareness affecting physicality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=sfeoE1arF0I
[FairfieldLife] Re: Carnival
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Lyrics express very well the feelings of someone waking up from the dream of enlightenment enticement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34MfaRn7_XE Good choice. Natalie is a surprisingly good songwriter, given her age and thus experience on this rock we call Earth. Here is her own video for this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHF2qQjnkI0 The point of this exchange, of course, is that it's not the awakening into supposed enlightenment that is the awakening, or the awakening into the delusion of enlightenment that is the awakening, but the process of awakening itself. The moment one closes oneself off to that, one closes oneself off to further progress. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
Thanks Buck! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Trowbridge, Someone sent me this e-mail on the side, seems it is pretty fair about the situation here: [paste] this is so well written he speaks for many - the majority in my mind. His insight on resolving conflict and misperceiving negativity is priceless. .. he obviously has a grip on the ball. And, I think Maharishi Foundation, even though suffering some, is run better than this, but this is a very accurate picture of MUM and the Dome. Regrettably it doesn't seem to change. Since it is a top down organization it does not seem to be a surprise with Bevan and Dougb still well entrenched. No change can thus be expected from them. There is a struggle going on and I do not think that they will let go easily or without casualties. They might sink the whole ship yet. Then it is up to us to carry on - which is what we are doing anyway. [end paste] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@ wrote: Thanks for the connection, and thanks for the post. I appreciate it very much. Thanks again! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Nice post Wayback, JTowbridge, I did send the link to your FFL letter earlier this morning directly over to Dr. John Hagelin right after you posted it on FFL. He responded back to me immediately too before I went to the Dome. I'm just in from the day's farm work now. The work is going long in the fields with spring upon us now. I stopped earlier and meditated along in time with the large group tonite while I was on my tractor. Frankly the New TM Movement is incorporating more over-sight and process within its workings. It's dynamic and changing. Things started changing from back before and around when Maharishi died. There are different elements within it still including some strict preservationists who obstruct change but things are also progressive. I would say from talking with folks inside that some yet are essentially afraid to be more transparent in process because they fear someone like MJ coming along and being negative. But in a direction of more transparency is coming. The strict preservationists have nothing to fear but fear itself. I think your paper is a good common-sense advocacy for better management practices that are actively being figured out more by committee process as J Hagelin has been setting about engaging people in that kind of process. They are also waiting for a few more people to die off as there is an active preparing of a younger set going on to take over. These are very exciting times within TM. It is in re-set. I agree, may the Unified Field save the group meditation. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: I too really enjoyed your post, Mr Trowbridge. It was genuine and so right on. Loved your points about conflict. In the name of being positive, so much has been overlooked, not dealt with, and repressed. At every level. And for those whose very livelihood revolved around all this for some years, it took a real toll. The frustration of trying to get a problem dealt with was incredible - because the person was considered to be unstressing or negative. A really unhealthy system evolved. Anyway, you said it all so well and I thank you for that. I suspect that in posting it here on FFL, it will be read by the people you are talking to. My guess is that the big issue on the inside is whether to try and mimic exactly how MMY ran the TMO or whether to modify that so as to appeal to more people. Not modify the teaching, but the organization, how it is run, the way rules are enforced, how to handle conflict. I think a lot will depend on how that unfolds now and in the next decade as Bevan and John and the rajas begin to retire. Not that the TMO needs to become a corporate place, but it is all so very fuzzy and odd and seemingly going to end with our generation unless things change. Too much garbage being dragged along to interest the younger generation. But TM is pure gold for you? Lucky guy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@ wrote: Thank you, a beautiful response, and I will carry on. I go by my own experiences. This has always been my guide, and my experiences daily have been magnificent. The program is pure gold. Thanks, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Thanks John, beautiful post in it's positivity. And unique on this forum because you are one of perhaps only 5 posters here
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
Thanks Michael. I will just keep going on doing what I do. I love my program, but I have never been financially dependent on anyone from the TMO. I feel I have the best of both worlds. I am grounded and enjoy my work. I contribute, and the knowledge, my experiences have always been fantastic. If I did not get anything from the technique I would not practice it a week. The truly devoted are the ones in the Dome who are part of the 50% who keep coming back and report daily no level 1 experiences. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Having read your ideas about the Movement it gives me a good feeling that there are people with common sense who want something that has been good for them to blossom and prosper. Even having left TM years ago, I do understand the feeling doing program gives one, I recently did my TMSP after years of not doing so and it felt good. I sincerely believe the only way for you to fulfill the desires you have for the Movement is to walk away from the TM Movement and create one of your own. Others have done so, thereby giving a fresh venue for teaching and promoting the technique that is so meaningful to you. The TM Movement has never really existed to do what you want it to do. I spent years wondering why something that felt so good to me and had such high goals and spoke about itself in such glowing terms could produce such unkind, unhelpful people who administered the Movement - how could the practice of the TM technique not create a group of individuals who administered the Movement intelligently, lovingly, and efficiently? As long as I believed that Maharishi was enlightened and somehow in some unknown way, the excesses and omissions of the people who ran the Movement were some sort of aberrant anomalies and that one day it would all balance out, the Movement would straighten itself out and people would actually be well taken care of in all phases and aspects of their dealings with the TMO, much of what Maharishi did and none of what the TMO did made any sense. When I realized that Maharishi was not enlightened, and used his Movement to further his desires to, in essence, be a big shot, gain wealth and have a revolving door of sex partners, it all fell into place. This means that the people who ran and still run the Movement learned at his feet and realize that anything they want to do is alright as long as they remain in charge and get paid. The idea that Bevan, Tony and the rest will ever give any authority to a Board of Directors is something that will never happen. They will not give up power - the TMO gives them everything. When is the last time any of them had to worry about paying rent? How to pay the utilities? When is the last time they had to wash their own clothes? Make their own meals? These guys live like princes and they won't give it up. They will never put others needs and desires above their own need to be in charge and keep getting paid, just like their former leader - and just like M putting these guys in charge, who do you think these guys will pick to follow them? The exact same energy will be passed on in the next generation of leadership. Get together with all the responsible teachers with common sense who feel the way you do, organize your own Movement and get out while the getting is good. I have mentioned once or twice before that Girish, and the Srivastavas brothers still run the Maharishi Group which I believe still owns all the property that MUM is occupying, both the land and buildings. If the day comes when they feel the revenue coming to them from MUM isn't satisfying them, they will sell off the university holdings in a heartbeat, and you will be without the Domes anyway. They have already begun this process in India, and I believe they are doing so because they know the Movement is running out of steam and won't give them the money they are used to. So create your own Movement - why continue to trust people and a Movement that have betrayed your trust for decades? From: jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 8:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Feedback to the TM Movement  I would like to give feedback from the perspective of one who loves TM, but not how the organization is run. I have wanted to do so for many years. I feel I have a unique perspective to do so. I am not angry. I am not dependent on TM other than my wonderful program I practice. I have no ax to grind other than a genuine desire to see the organization succeed. I wish to help this organization from the point of view of one who is a family man, a professional who sees the divinity of my practice, and the missteps of the organization. My TM program is the only time during the day that I know my
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Robin, your response to me has not yet appeared in my inbox. I only know of it because I saw it in one of Judy's responses which HAS appeared in my inbox. One of God's little jests no doubt. Anyway, semi annual Dome cleaning today so I'm rushing out. For now I'll simply say that to me you seem ironic almost all of the time. And it does my head in. That's why I wrote to Judy rather than to you about your recent posts. And why I won't say thank you for replying to me. As I've said before, IMO irony is a tactic used primarily by people without balls who want to be able to tell the truth, but then deny that they said it later, claiming that they were only being ironic. Though I'm glad you're posting again on FFL. Not as glad as the Judester, I'll bet. Finally she has someone to toady up to again and seek approval from. Good heavens. I've been toadying up to Robin all along, even when he wasn't posting. Her minions were never going to fill that bill, because they'd just sling approval her way because they're toadying up to her. :-) I think that we should compassionately wish her well in her quest. It's not easy to get approval from a full-blown NPD personality. But if anyone can pull that level of toadying off, it'll be Jude. Well, as you've seen, I'm not getting anywhere at all. Just this morning I bowed and scraped and abased myself to him, and what did I get in return? He called me a bitch! And you surely aren't suggesting that either he or I was being ironic and will insist later that we never said what we said--are you? Perish forbid, as my grandmother would say. I don't know, maybe I should give it all up as a bad job, see how he likes having to fend for himself for a change, the ungrateful bastard.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This one's for Curtis...
For those who appreciate language, this is an abysmally poorly written article. Whatever good ideas he may have, he hasn't a clue how to communicate them effectively. D-minus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: ...but also for others here who appreciate language, and the mysterious effects it has on us as human beings. I know that Curtis will appreciate this, given his forays into NLP and the uses of language to manipulate, but others who view writing as an artform and not just a way to flap their literary jaws may appreciate it as well. There are some good tips here for how to write for the Internet, if any are interested in such things. http://lifehacker.com/5993267/the-psychology-of-language-why-are-some-words-more-persuasive-than-others
[FairfieldLife] Re: This one's for Curtis...
Some cool stuff, thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: For those who appreciate language, this is an abysmally poorly written article. Whatever good ideas he may have, he hasn't a clue how to communicate them effectively. D-minus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: ...but also for others here who appreciate language, and the mysterious effects it has on us as human beings. I know that Curtis will appreciate this, given his forays into NLP and the uses of language to manipulate, but others who view writing as an artform and not just a way to flap their literary jaws may appreciate it as well. There are some good tips here for how to write for the Internet, if any are interested in such things. http://lifehacker.com/5993267/the-psychology-of-language-why-are-some-words-more-persuasive-than-others
[FairfieldLife] Re: This one's for Curtis...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Some cool stuff, thanks. (guffaw) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: For those who appreciate language, this is an abysmally poorly written article. Whatever good ideas he may have, he hasn't a clue how to communicate them effectively. D-minus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: ...but also for others here who appreciate language, and the mysterious effects it has on us as human beings. I know that Curtis will appreciate this, given his forays into NLP and the uses of language to manipulate, but others who view writing as an artform and not just a way to flap their literary jaws may appreciate it as well. There are some good tips here for how to write for the Internet, if any are interested in such things. http://lifehacker.com/5993267/the-psychology-of-language-why-are-some-words-more-persuasive-than-others
[FairfieldLife] Sam Harris vs Glenn Greenwald
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/dear-fellow-liberal2
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[FairfieldLife] Featuring George Fox
http://www.ushistory.org/penn/fox.htm From Sodom Had No Bible by Leonard Ravenhill, Offspring, 1971, 2012; page 162: Many times Fox prophesied of future events that were revealed to him. Visions often came to him. Once in Lancashire, England, as he was climbing Pendle hill, he had a vision of a coming revival in that very area. He saw the countryside alive with men, all moving to one place. . In personal appearance Fox was a large man with remarkable piercing eyes. His words were like a flash of lightening. His judgment was clear, and his logic convincing. His great spiritual gift was a remarkable discernment. He seemed to be able to read the characters of men by looking at them. He likened the temperaments of people to a wolf, a serpent, a lion, or a wasp. He could meet a person and say, I see the spirit of a cunning fox in you. You have the nature of a serpent. Or, Thou art as vicious as a tiger Fox was far in advance of any other person in his day, in spiritual matters. Above all, George Fox excelled in prayer.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
I have some friends in Ft. Collins who are wild about Trader Joe's. I've only been to the one in Annapolis which doesn't even seem like a health food store to me. I wonder if they vary from town to town. Anyway, now there's a Whole Foods in Annapolis and I bet they're taking business from Joe's. Everybody's our locally owned health food store, charges 1.89 for a Larabar. Hy Vee, the locally owned grocery chain charges 1.59. I bought 3 items the other day and spent $10! That just isn't right. Before I became aware of my diabetes gene, I would have baked pear for breakfast. Ambrosia! And it did change the flavor. That's why I thought baking the apple might change its taste. A palm tree in the front yard sounds very wonderful. It's been too long since I saw one in person. Science diet?! Then I'll definitely become a radical (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama The main use of green apples is for baking or cooking such as apple sauce. Years ago in downtown Seattle there was a restaurant that specialized in green apple pie. According to the neighbors the tree never bore fruit until a year or two after I moved in. It was too young. The previous owner also put in a palm tree but it died a couple years ago. I think it was too confined and probably she got a start from somebody as they are expensive otherwise. I have a palm tree out front and my new gardener did a nice job of topping it this year. I don't think a happy man would enjoy digesting a rock. Just got back from Trader Joes. One has to take out a second mortgage to shop there anymore. I used to go once a week but now it's about once a month. Food inflation is going off the charts but the sheeple don't want to discuss it. I think a lot of our food is going to China because they'll pay more for it. We're probably going to wind up with a science diet for humans. Something like kichari and if so there should be at least three varieties. Overpopulation means a bleak future for humanity. On 04/03/2013 10:36 AM, Share Long wrote: I wonder how the apples would turn out if baked. Anyway, ok, no cukes, no watermelon, no rocks. Though now I'm remembering something Maharishi supposedly said: that a happy man could digest a rock. I think I'm incorrigible. Must be a pitta thing (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama On 04/03/2013 04:23 AM, Share Long wrote: Angels of Yahoo at work. I actually posted this at 8:43 pm Central on Tuesday but it didn't show up in my inbox til 3:55 am Central on Wednesday. I was expecting and dreading a blizzard of posts about it, especially from Judy and Ann who seemed upset by my questions about Robin's recent postings. turq, I was wondering if you and your household did the whole Easter egg thing for Maya. Is that a tradition in Holland? noozguru if I offended you with my comments about the fruit trees, I apologize. I think of ayurveda as something you and I can joke about since we're both into it. Just as I think of jyotish as something John and I can joke about because we're both into it. So John, apologies to you too if I offended you by my recent comment about jokes and jyotish. I'm not offended by much of anything. Line on water. However the apples from the tree ARE green ones and thus a bit sour and not for much use other than making pies. :-D And though I do like watermelon it tends to sit in my stomach like a rock. Yup, not so good for the kapha. Cucumbers are even worse.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama
There are certain things I like to get there but some of their prices have increased just maybe not as much as some of my local supermarkets. On 04/03/2013 02:48 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Damn! We just got a Trader's Joe's here - its by far the cheapest natural food type place here From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama The main use of green apples is for baking or cooking such as apple sauce. Years ago in downtown Seattle there was a restaurant that specialized in green apple pie. According to the neighbors the tree never bore fruit until a year or two after I moved in. It was too young. The previous owner also put in a palm tree but it died a couple years ago. I think it was too confined and probably she got a start from somebody as they are expensive otherwise. I have a palm tree out front and my new gardener did a nice job of topping it this year. I don't think a happy man would enjoy digesting a rock. Just got back from Trader Joes. One has to take out a second mortgage to shop there anymore. I used to go once a week but now it's about once a month. Food inflation is going off the charts but the sheeple don't want to discuss it. I think a lot of our food is going to China because they'll pay more for it. We're probably going to wind up with a science diet for humans. Something like kichari and if so there should be at least three varieties. Overpopulation means a bleak future for humanity. On 04/03/2013 10:36 AM, Share Long wrote: I wonder how the apples would turn out if baked. Anyway, ok, no cukes, no watermelon, no rocks. Though now I'm remembering something Maharishi supposedly said: that a happy man could digest a rock. I think I'm incorrigible. Must be a pitta thing (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: President Barack Monsanto Obama On 04/03/2013 04:23 AM, Share Long wrote: Angels of Yahoo at work. I actually posted this at 8:43 pm Central on Tuesday but it didn't show up in my inbox til 3:55 am Central on Wednesday. I was expecting and dreading a blizzard of posts about it, especially from Judy and Ann who seemed upset by my questions about Robin's recent postings. turq, I was wondering if you and your household did the whole Easter egg thing for Maya. Is that a tradition in Holland? noozguru if I offended you with my comments about the fruit trees, I apologize. I think of ayurveda as something you and I can joke about since we're both into it. Just as I think of jyotish as something John and I can joke about because we're both into it. So John, apologies to you too if I offended you by my recent comment about jokes and jyotish. I'm not offended by much of anything. Line on water. However the apples from the tree ARE green ones and thus a bit sour and not for much use other than making pies. :-D And though I do like watermelon it tends to sit in my stomach like a rock. Yup, not so good for the kapha. Cucumbers are even worse.
[FairfieldLife] Introduction to Quaker guns
(fake guns used to mimic the real thing and scare off attackers - often made of wood painted black). Would these be classified as assault weapons? . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:QuakerGunPortHudson1863.jpg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin
Hi Robin, FIVE hours in the Dome this afternoon! First helping with the cleaning. Which includes hoisting pieces of foam. Then program. And get this: there are women who have spent 5 hours every morning in the Dome FOR OVER SIX YEARS! How how how how?! Anyway, the post of yours which I only saw in one of Judy's finally came into my inbox at 2:45 this afternoon. It actually came in AFTER the ones you sent today! When I read your analysis of turq, I remember that I felt so disappointed. You seemed to be expressing a grudge and to be as incomprehensible as before. And when I read your exchanges with Curtis, I couldn't understand why you were being so sarcastic and accusatory when he sounded reasonable. In both cases I felt sad because I felt that gulf between us. From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 2:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin I can't help myself. The reason why you asked Judy that question, Share, was because you sensed I was letting my anger get the best of me. [Apologies to BW for this sentence only] But I will ask you one other question: How do you account for the fact that DrD knew exactly why I wrote those three posts; and indeed his confidence in the justification for my having done so (as expressed in his post) exceeds in significant measure the perplexity my having done so induced in yourself? The answer here--Let's get it out, dear Share: You asked Judy that question because you tend to resist the contact point in reality where there is the most tension, the most meaning, and the most truth: where it can make a demand upon us which hurts. You are acutely aware of the metaphysical point of the maximum realness (and helplessness), and you are, for Christ's sake, more sensitive to it than I am. So you asked the question to Judy in order to push away the way reality came in on you in those three posts. Not one other person on FFL wondered (the way you professed to wonder, Share) why I wrote those three posts, Share. Why don't you ask yourself THAT question: Why was I, Share Long, the only person who was unable to understand why Robin wrote that analysis of Barry, and those two posts to Curtis? You didn't like having to experience what was going inside of you when you read those three posts, Share. So you turned your psychological aversion into a seemingly guileless question, but in the very act of forming the question you managed to get some distance on the experience that had been engendered in you when you first read those posts. An experience you wished to get rid of. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Robin, your response to me has not yet appeared in my inbox. I only know of it because I saw it in one of Judy's responses which HAS appeared in my inbox. One of God's little jests no doubt. Anyway, semi annual Dome cleaning today so I'm rushing out. For now I'll simply say that to me you seem ironic almost all of the time. And it does my head in. That's why I wrote to Judy rather than to you about your recent posts. And why I won't say thank you for replying to me. Though I'm glad you're posting again on FFL. Share
[FairfieldLife] Fukushima's legacy
One third of west coast newborns may have thyroid problems: http://rt.com/usa/fukushima-us-children-thyroid-291/ I know that after Fukushima the Lawrence Lab in Berkeley was tracking and publishing cesium levels in rainfall on their roof and when they started getting really high they stopped. Guvmint must have feared they might panic the public. Oh well. And things aren't so great near my hometown: http://rt.com/usa/hanford-nuclear-waste-tanks-288/ The guvmint did a little experiment releasing isotopes over the population and there was an increase in thyroid cancer around that area in the 1980s. There's even a lawsuit over it. Good thing I didn't like milk as a kid (still don't).
[FairfieldLife] Hotsprings of Gienah
by Vidom (click onto image): http://vidom.deviantart.com/art/Hot-springs-of-Gienah-329960310
[FairfieldLife] Re: Uh-oh...Oprah's off the program
Equal to saying that all TM'ers are Buddhists because they meditate. The usual inane B.S. from guru willy coyote. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: turquoiseb: Here she is hangin' with Thich Nhat Hanh, one of them dreaded Buddhists. All Buddhists are TMers - Thich Nhat Hanh meditates every day. You're thinking that 'TM' is a special practice, different somehow to Zen meditation? If so, *exactly* how is TM different from 'Zen' meditation practice? Sitting meditation is like returning home to give full attention to and care for yourself. Deer Park Monastery, Escondido, CA http://deerparkmonastery.org/ Nabby will have a cow. :-) Go figure. [https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/72621_5973750436\ \ 23525_846568786_n.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
This weekend I caught a few minutes of an NDE story on NPR. I think there may have been several stories in the segment, but this was the guy who woke up from a coma, just in time. And when I listened to his first hand account, it seemed difficult, for me at least, to ascribe it to anything else other than a mystical, other world, experience. I would even say that applying Occam razor to it, that this is where you would arrive. On the other hand, I don't feel any need to defend the position. If others have a different interpretation, great. I was just struck by the genuineness of the way the story was told. But, I probably won't read the book. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Ann - I am glad you are reading the book.  Now you and I and Curtis and MJ and any other readers can discuss it.  Ha.  When I told Curtis I would put my thoughts out there - I had to go back and re-read the book!   The book showed up as a gift to me from a friend - so I read it.  I read it at face value.  I have no background in NDE experiences and haven't read much on them - interesting phenomenon though. I don't want to say too much yet as you are reading it, but, as a first impression, it is, in my view, a story of one man's journey from one place to another and I found it interesting in several respects (don't you love how I just said absolutely nothing?).  It is not a book of great spiritual or philosophical import; he scratches the surface of a lot of topics, but he makes some bold statements.  His personality, his beginning process of recovery, his struggle to understand and process his NDE and experience - all this comes through.  What I liked about this book was that I assumed the author did not have a background or belief system that was guiding his experiences - so it gave his experience a different sort of credibility for me - but it is clear he struggled to put the non-scientific aspects of it (the parts not related to his medical illness) on paper, struggled to find the words.  Given this assumption that I made/make - I thought his elementary and simple statements somewhat astonishing.  But, given also, the comments on this forum by Xeno and others, I am also clear that I do not necessarily understand the relationship between NDE's and consciousness - are they real? or are they a product of an ill brain?  I still haven't read the reviews, but I likely will for another perspective.  I do love some of the lines in this book though, as well as many of the quotes he uses towards the end of the book to begin his chapter's with.   Out of curiosity, I will also likely read Anita Moorjani's book (Dying to Be Me). She has a Hindu background, so the book may reflect her worldview as impacted by that, but I'll read it anyway.  Enjoy, it's a quick and easy read, geared, IMO, towards the masses.  From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 6:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Emily  Hey Em, I just ordered and started to read the Eben Alexander book Proof of Heaven you recommended. I will let you know what I think, so far so good. Am looking forward to reading this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis
Listening right now. Nicest thing I've heard in a long time. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Hi Curtis: What do you think of this song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQVOvRpI3rElist=ALHTd1VmZQRNqgzJoiD3jr0X\ Ch5QpQKiJa
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
I am not familiar with what Level 1 experiences mean - I haven't been to Fairfield since I was on staff at MIU in the 1980's From: jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 6:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement Thanks Michael. I will just keep going on doing what I do. I love my program, but I have never been financially dependent on anyone from the TMO. I feel I have the best of both worlds. I am grounded and enjoy my work. I contribute, and the knowledge, my experiences have always been fantastic. If I did not get anything from the technique I would not practice it a week. The truly devoted are the ones in the Dome who are part of the 50% who keep coming back and report daily no level 1 experiences. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Having read your ideas about the Movement it gives me a good feeling that there are people with common sense who want something that has been good for them to blossom and prosper. Even having left TM years ago, I do understand the feeling doing program gives one, I recently did my TMSP after years of not doing so and it felt good. I sincerely believe the only way for you to fulfill the desires you have for the Movement is to walk away from the TM Movement and create one of your own. Others have done so, thereby giving a fresh venue for teaching and promoting the technique that is so meaningful to you. The TM Movement has never really existed to do what you want it to do. I spent years wondering why something that felt so good to me and had such high goals and spoke about itself in such glowing terms could produce such unkind, unhelpful people who administered the Movement - how could the practice of the TM technique not create a group of individuals who administered the Movement intelligently, lovingly, and efficiently? As long as I believed that Maharishi was enlightened and somehow in some unknown way, the excesses and omissions of the people who ran the Movement were some sort of aberrant anomalies and that one day it would all balance out, the Movement would straighten itself out and people would actually be well taken care of in all phases and aspects of their dealings with the TMO, much of what Maharishi did and none of what the TMO did made any sense. When I realized that Maharishi was not enlightened, and used his Movement to further his desires to, in essence, be a big shot, gain wealth and have a revolving door of sex partners, it all fell into place. This means that the people who ran and still run the Movement learned at his feet and realize that anything they want to do is alright as long as they remain in charge and get paid. The idea that Bevan, Tony and the rest will ever give any authority to a Board of Directors is something that will never happen. They will not give up power - the TMO gives them everything. When is the last time any of them had to worry about paying rent? How to pay the utilities? When is the last time they had to wash their own clothes? Make their own meals? These guys live like princes and they won't give it up. They will never put others needs and desires above their own need to be in charge and keep getting paid, just like their former leader - and just like M putting these guys in charge, who do you think these guys will pick to follow them? The exact same energy will be passed on in the next generation of leadership. Get together with all the responsible teachers with common sense who feel the way you do, organize your own Movement and get out while the getting is good. I have mentioned once or twice before that Girish, and the Srivastavas brothers still run the Maharishi Group which I believe still owns all the property that MUM is occupying, both the land and buildings. If the day comes when they feel the revenue coming to them from MUM isn't satisfying them, they will sell off the university holdings in a heartbeat, and you will be without the Domes anyway. They have already begun this process in India, and I believe they are doing so because they know the Movement is running out of steam and won't give them the money they are used to. So create your own Movement - why continue to trust people and a Movement that have betrayed your trust for decades? From: jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 8:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Feedback to the TM Movement  I would like to give feedback from the perspective of one who loves TM, but not how the organization is run. I have wanted to do so for many years. I feel I have a unique perspective to do so. I am not angry. I am not dependent on TM other than my wonderful program I
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fukushima's legacy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: One third of west coast newborns may have thyroid problems: http://rt.com/usa/fukushima-us-children-thyroid-291/ Very, very misleading. 28 percent more likely to develop thyroid problems is not the same as one third may have thyroid problems. What percentage of newborns ordinarily develop thyroid problems? It's *tiny*, around 0.025 percent. (And what they're talking about is hypothyroidism, not thyroid cancer, BTW. Hypothyroidism is easily treated with thyroid hormone.) In any case, the study is highly preliminary and has drawn no firm conclusions. The point of the study is that measurable changes in radiation levels make it possible to determine how much of the change over time in the percentage of infants with thyroid problems is due to radiation as opposed to a multitude of other possible factors. But the headline is: Almost third of US West Coast newborns hit with thyroid problems after Fukushima nuclear disaster So that tells you how much trust you can put in this Russian propaganda site (RT stands for Russia Today).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: Okay you naysayers, yeah, you, me buddy, Curtis et alia, tell us how this can be scientifically established and yet the universality and probably the transcendent field of consciousness is not also established? Brother. Nice to hear from you. Because that is an assumptive jump trying to explain behavior below our intuitive and sensory grasp. Or above it! Words added to this experiment introducing theories of consciousness and the relationship with the behavior of light at this level are on a completely different logical level. They belong in the sense that you could write a poem about this experiment afterwards. It might be fun, but it has little to do with the physics involved. And here is where we may differ about this. I don't believe that I am in a position to comprehend any of this with my lack of physics and math background. I think my version of understanding what is going on here is a cartoon version of how people who are trained in this think of it. So I am not really moved by the results of the experiment because I can't really buy into what I consider to be an inevitable reduction from the complexity of the actual experiment to fit my lack of training perspective. For me, the magician brought out his own box and a tiger jumped out. I figure, he made the box, so it didn't blow my mind. Nothing about light at that level can surprise me. I have zero expectations about how it should behave. I am not discounting that you may have studied this stuff enough to have your mind blown by it, and good on ya mate if it worked for you. I'm still up here at a much grosser level where I can't understand why my brain sees my face in a mirror as life sized, when, if you measure it, it is about half as big as my actual face. And I can't see that, I see it as lifesized. What the F! It's an experiment that shows two slit particle/wave experiment augmented to see non-physical awareness affecting physicality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=sfeoE1arF0I
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: What I liked about this book was that I assumed the author did not have a background or belief system that was guiding his experiences - so it gave his experience a different sort of credibility for me - Me: I don't believe this is an option for any of us. It gives too much weight to our conscious beliefs and not enough to the cultural programming as well as our cognitive habits. (Such as instantly ascribing conscious motives to even inanimate things.) We soak in the archetypes, myths and stories of our culture. I've certainly made an attempt to rid myself of many beliefs, but the conditioning runs to deep. I said just a moment ago that I am not interested in defending the mystical legitimacy of NDEs, and I'm not. I have not read much about NDEs, and I certainly have not read books or articles about brain functioning, or psychology, but I am struck, Curtis, by how many assumptions you seem to make here. I am getting that perhaps your primary point is that no matter how hard we may try, or no matter how unattached we may feel we are, basically we are unable to break free of our conditionings. And, for all I know, you may be 100% right. But in the some of the cases I've come across, the people having NDEs didn't really have strong religious convictions or ideas of the after life. And also, the trauma of the injury or accident has seemed in many cases to knock one off their bearings anyway. And that goes double for any experience like altered brain functioning though illness, injury or drugs. Altered states are altered from our usual mix of our conscious attention habits, so we fall back on more primitive images and impressions. Just as people experience God though the filter of their exposure culturally to specific versions of the idea, (allowing that Hindus might experience Jesus, who they have heard about, but not Zeus if they had not.) And then we have archetypical images that seem to go between cultures and about which we understand very little, but have been pretty well described by Anthony Campbell as well as imaginatively (some of it unwarranted IMO) enhanced by Carl Jung. Mother and child love and intimacy is so deep in us. Father's seemingly invincible protective power runs across cultures. And not surprisingly, under the conditions of altered states, they pop up with a full narratives embedded in the full blown experience. So I am thinking that none of us are innocents and belief-free. I read about a study that showed that atheists are no less vulnerable to ascribing agency to coincidence events than religious believers. That really made me laugh, but it is so true. We may think it through differently after the fact, but in the moment the connection emerges unbidden and uninfluenced by our more conscious beliefs. Conception always guides even our experience of a chair as a chair. How much more of an influence there must be under the conditions of altered states. Ann - I am glad you are reading the book.  Now you and I and Curtis and MJ and any other readers can discuss it.  Ha.  When I told Curtis I would put my thoughts out there - I had to go back and re-read the book!   The book showed up as a gift to me from a friend - so I read it.  I read it at face value.  I have no background in NDE experiences and haven't read much on them - interesting phenomenon though. I don't want to say too much yet as you are reading it, but, as a first impression, it is, in my view, a story of one man's journey from one place to another and I found it interesting in several respects (don't you love how I just said absolutely nothing?).  It is not a book of great spiritual or philosophical import; he scratches the surface of a lot of topics, but he makes some bold statements.  His personality, his beginning process of recovery, his struggle to understand and process his NDE and experience - all this comes through.  What I liked about this book was that I assumed the author did not have a background or belief system that was guiding his experiences - so it gave his experience a different sort of credibility for me - but it is clear he struggled to put the non-scientific aspects of it (the parts not related to his medical illness) on paper, struggled to find the words.  Given this assumption that I made/make - I thought his elementary and simple statements somewhat astonishing.  But, given also, the comments on this forum by Xeno and others, I am also clear that I do not necessarily understand the relationship between NDE's and consciousness - are they real? or are they a product of an ill brain?  I still haven't read the reviews, but I likely will for another perspective.  I do love some of the lines in this book though, as well as many of the quotes he uses towards the end of the book to
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Look, Barry: between you and me, I just hope the bitch stays silent. A good line. A funny line. Don't even care who it's directed to. The cheese stands alone. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Robin, your response to me has not yet appeared in my inbox. I only know of it because I saw it in one of Judy's responses which HAS appeared in my inbox. One of God's little jests no doubt. Anyway, semi annual Dome cleaning today so I'm rushing out. For now I'll simply say that to me you seem ironic almost all of the time. And it does my head in. That's why I wrote to Judy rather than to you about your recent posts. And why I won't say thank you for replying to me. As I've said before, IMO irony is a tactic used primarily by people without balls who want to be able to tell the truth, but then deny that they said it later, claiming that they were only being ironic. Though I'm glad you're posting again on FFL. Not as glad as the Judester, I'll bet. Finally she has someone to toady up to again and seek approval from. Her minions were never going to fill that bill, because they'd just sling approval her way because they're toadying up to her. :-) I think that we should compassionately wish her well in her quest. It's not easy to get approval from a full-blown NPD personality. But if anyone can pull that level of toadying off, it'll be Jude.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Humor From MUM
Removed. D'oh --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: If people here are offended by my occasional use of salty language, WTF are they going to make of this? I don't know who created it, but my bet is one of the MUM students who contribute to the Facebook MUM Secrets group. Good for him/her, whoever it is. I know about it only because a person who used to contribute here but who has wised up and decided to have a life instead sent it to me. Enjoy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elq1LUQarwA
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Immortality Project
Great post,authfriend. We in Fairfied are certainly meditating on the cutting edge of this work; The Fairfield meditating community is the spiritual Fermilab of the Unified Field as consciousness research. These are exciting times in scientific research and spiritual advancement. I am telling you all that we who live in Fairfield in the radiance of the field effect of the Domes are within the the fore-front of the great research in this. http://istpp.org/ Wishing you were here too, -Buck in the Fermilab of the Dome http://www.fnal.gov/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: John Fischer, a philosophy professor at UC-Riverside, has been awarded a $5 million grant from the Templeton Foundation to fund essays and empirical research projects related to immortality. Fisher himself doubts there is such a thing, but he thinks studying the possibility from various angles (including beliefs about it) will be relevant to the way we live our lives at present. http://www.sptimmortalityproject.com/ Here's an excerpt from a recent interview with Fischer about the Immortality Project (Xeno, I wrote my posts to you before reading this): Q: Is it conceivable that there's a version of immortality that exists as something outside the limits of the known universe, or do you have to be religious to believe that? A: I guess you wouldn't have to be religious. You could believe that there are forces or energies or features of the physical universe which we haven't yet identified or can't yet fully describethat there was a kind of [true] immortality that wouldn't have to be religious. That's possible. It's kind of an abstract possibility that we can't really grasp concretely right now. But I think it's possible and there's lots that we don't know. If you think about quantum mechanics and string theory and you try wrap your mind around the possibility that there are many, many dimensions to reality, not just three or four, it starts becoming very hard to comprehend. We have certain concepts of present, past, future, causation, physical objects, acceleration, velocity, location. We apply those ordinary concepts to our ordinary lives and they work pretty well, you know? But once you start thinking about quantum mechanics, string theory, the ordinary concepts just don't apply anymore. And maybe there is a kind of immortality that we have genuinely as part of the physical universe that we can't yet understand. Q: Or even beyond the physical universe A: Yeah, beyond the physical universe that we know about. There are philosophers who are dualists who think that the mind is not identical to the brain. Or, if they're property dualists, they think that mental properties are non-physical properties of our brains. And if you think that maybe the universe has non-physical properties, maybe immortality is somehow related to those. Q: Is there a basic incompatibility between free will and immortality? And I mean true immortality, not putting my brain in a jar for extreme longevity. A: Well, I'm going to answer another question first, then I'll get back to your question. I definitely think that immortality in the sense of living forever and not dying is completely consistent with free will. Now, if you add that determinism is true or that god exists then it might rule out certain kinds of freedom but I think it's still consistent with other kinds of freedom and it's consistent with moral responsibility. Now, true immortality, especially as conceptualized in a religious viewI don't think that's typically thought of as involving free will. If you think about the standard Christian picture, in which you've been virtuous in life and you go to heaven and you have eternal union with god, that's typically not a context in which you have freedom of the will. You're in a blissful union with god forever, but you don't have the freedom to choose evil. You're not conceptualized as planning and acting in accordance with your plans. http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-immortality
[FairfieldLife] Interspecies marriage?
O'Reilly exchanged words with Laura Ingraham on the marriage issue. She takes the Bible says so approach; while Bill says that the civil arguments will eventually prevail since they don't rely on God says so? ... I support interspecies marriage with elves.: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=1087564utm_source=cgsocietyutm_medium=cgchoiceutm_term=1087564
[FairfieldLife] Re: Humor From MUM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Removed. D'oh Removed; as it should have been. 'twas unbelievably vulgar lower humor. Our moderators should have stopped the original post here before such spiritual smut got out to the list and thus polluting our pages here. Who posted it here originally anyway? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: If people here are offended by my occasional use of salty language, WTF are they going to make of this? I don't know who created it, but my bet is one of the MUM students who contribute to the Facebook MUM Secrets group. Good for him/her, whoever it is. I know about it only because a person who used to contribute here but who has wised up and decided to have a life instead sent it to me. Enjoy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elq1LUQarwA
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback to the TM Movement
your last six words bothered me just a little. In what way? As in fearful of repercussions for expressing one's opinions? If so, do you really feel this way? Trouble? Yes, someone in the course office could view [judge] Trowbridge as being negative and un-stressing in the act of posting his letter. As JT values coming back to the group meditation he could have created trouble for himself. Tru-believers in the middle easily could see Trowbridge being disloyal and lacking in fealty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Beautiful. Thanks for taking the time and having the courage to post this here. -Buck in the Dome Ditto. In fact, worth saying again: *Beautiful*, Mr. Trowbridge. Perhaps it will be read by people with the ability to affect the changes of which you write. your last six words bothered me just a little. In what way? As in fearful of repercussions for expressing one's opinions? If so, do you really feel this way? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@ wrote: I would like to give feedback from the perspective of one who loves TM, but not how the organization is run. I have wanted to do so for many years. I feel I have a unique perspective to do so. I am not angry. I am not dependent on TM other than my wonderful program I practice. I have no ax to grind other than a genuine desire to see the organization succeed. I wish to help this organization from the point of view of one who is a family man, a professional who sees the divinity of my practice, and the missteps of the organization. My TM program is the only time during the day that I know my activity is perfect. It is a perfect program. It is a perfect activity. It is perfect knowledge. I have recently obtained all of the advanced techniques. I have missed maybe five meditations in 40 years only because I enjoy it. There is no other reason. Not for health, not for enlightenment, such is the joy and power of my program. I have just finished 34 years as a public school teacher in North Carolina, and I am still teaching. I have been married 30 years. I have two children. My wife meditates. My two children have been initiated. From the beginning, I have provided support to the TM Movement through the use of my house for lectures, initiations, and whatever I have to offer all these years. I am your biggest fan. I started TM on November 13th, 1971 and got the sidhis in `80 or `81 at MUM. I practiced my program by myself over the decades until 5 years ago, when I went to MUM to fly in the dome for a 7-week visit. I have gone ever 2 years during the summer thereafter. I have never taken one dime of grant money. I mention specific names and impressions in this letter, not to target individuals, but to show relevant examples of what concerns me. I also want to describe what could be done differently, especially if you want to have credibility with Americans. The goal of this organization is not to appeal to a particular leader or person, but to the widest possible audience who will appreciate and practice the TM program in its purity. 2007: This incident exemplifies so many of the elements of what is wrong with how the TM organization is managed. When I came 5 years ago, I was in the dome for the IA course for just a few days when the men's group had to move because workmen were replacing the roof. We moved to a flying hall near the swimming pool. Unfortunately, a mistake had been made in preparing the new hall. The floor and walls had been painted with a toxic, oil-based paint, and the odor was awful, awful. The air in the new hall was extremely noxious. Fans in the eaves of the building were run night and day. Sidhas pleaded with Dr. Doug Birx not to move us into this situation. He said it could not be helped. I spent one day in the new hall experiencing bliss with an underlying headache. I never have headaches. I walked and hitchhiked to Vedic City to do program for most of the week instead of going to this toxic hall. Once I was picked up by a Board of Trustees member. I don't remember his name. In casual conversation, told him I had not come from North Carolina to huff paint fumes. The next day, thinking the fumes would be better, I went to fly in the newly painted hall. It was better, but still not good. During the 10 a.m. experience time, Dr. Bevan Morris asked Dr. Doug Birx an introductory question, Is there a problem with the hall? I assumed that the trustee I had talked to called Dr. Morris. Dr. Birx stated no. Who could question the bliss emanating from this hall? he asked. He added that there were some problems, but they had been worked
[FairfieldLife] Re: Featuring George Fox
Yep, the guy was a meditator and had number one experiences all the time generating quite a 'field effect'. A saint in his own time like we know them spiritually. We always end our Quaker Meeting silent meditation/meeting for worship with, Jai George Fox. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: http://www.ushistory.org/penn/fox.htm From Sodom Had No Bible by Leonard Ravenhill, Offspring, 1971, 2012; page 162: Many times Fox prophesied of future events that were revealed to him. Visions often came to him. Once in Lancashire, England, as he was climbing Pendle hill, he had a vision of a coming revival in that very area. He saw the countryside alive with men, all moving to one place. . In personal appearance Fox was a large man with remarkable piercing eyes. His words were like a flash of lightening. His judgment was clear, and his logic convincing. His great spiritual gift was a remarkable discernment. He seemed to be able to read the characters of men by looking at them. He likened the temperaments of people to a wolf, a serpent, a lion, or a wasp. He could meet a person and say, I see the spirit of a cunning fox in you. You have the nature of a serpent. Or, Thou art as vicious as a tiger Fox was far in advance of any other person in his day, in spiritual matters. Above all, George Fox excelled in prayer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: What I liked about this book was that I assumed the author did not have a background or belief system that was guiding his experiences - so it gave his experience a different sort of credibility for me - Me: I don't believe this is an option for any of us. It gives too much weight to our conscious beliefs and not enough to the cultural programming as well as our cognitive habits. (Such as instantly ascribing conscious motives to even inanimate things.) We soak in the archetypes, myths and stories of our culture. I've certainly made an attempt to rid myself of many beliefs, but the conditioning runs to deep. I said just a moment ago that I am not interested in defending the mystical legitimacy of NDEs, and I'm not. I have not read much about NDEs, and I certainly have not read books or articles about brain functioning, or psychology, This may be why you think I am making assumptions. but I am struck, Curtis, by how many assumptions you seem to make here. I am getting that perhaps your primary point is that no matter how hard we may try, or no matter how unattached we may feel we are, basically we are unable to break free of our conditionings. That is too broad. What I am saying is that our conscious belief systems that we can discuss, are not the whole story of how our mind conceives the world and fits our perceptions into those patterns. This have all been documented in many contexts. We are even terrible at reporting physical events we actually do witness because of these conditioned assumptions. We suck at this and yet perversely, think we can operate without these influences. And, for all I know, you may be 100% right. But in the some of the cases I've come across, the people having NDEs didn't really have strong religious convictions or ideas of the after life. And also, the trauma of the injury or accident has seemed in many cases to knock one off their bearings anyway. We have stories we can discuss, and then we have lots of assumptive beliefs that guide our behavior that is not up for review consciously. One of the main reasons is that even simple perception is too complex to be guided consciously. Let alone our pre-verbal assumptions about reality. This is really not ground breaking stuff, it shows up in every area of mind study from neuro-science to physiology. Because someone does not espouse conscious beliefs about an afterlife is no predictor of what happens to shape perception in altered states. This has been used for centuries as proof of greater objectivity from Paul falling off his donkey from his religious experience after having persecuted Christians, to so called atheist converts to theism. It is bogus as a proof of less influence to the cultural predispositions we are immersed in. Do Christians with a NDE go to a specific 3rd level Loka of the Hindus, ever? No, they follow what they were exposed to with or without consciously buying in. The thing about NDE is that they are not dead experiences. The people may have all sorts of physical readings, but it turns out in the end, that life is preserved. And if consciousness is restored, then there was a whole lot going on under the NE physiology. There are people who don't come back mentally and also people who actually die and we don't hear from them. One of the fascinating things about how our brain works is that we can manufacture time compression. Did you ever wake up and fall asleep into a dream that seems to take a really long time. Then you wake up and it was a few minutes? That is what makes these reports so unreliable, we cannot determine when they had the experiences they report. They might have had the whole thing in the few moments of their revival. There is nothing to defend about these subjective experiences unless they are claiming that they are more than that. I am not trying to prove that there is no other world. I don't know. But I am saying that we have not learned something new from this type of experience that should make us more confident about an afterlife than the dreams we may have enjoyed before waking up this morning. And that goes double for any experience like altered brain functioning though illness, injury or drugs. Altered states are altered from our usual mix of our conscious attention habits, so we fall back on more primitive images and impressions. Just as people experience God though the filter of their exposure culturally to specific versions of the idea, (allowing that Hindus might experience Jesus, who they have heard about, but not Zeus if they had not.) And then we have archetypical images that seem to go between cultures and about
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: snip There is nothing to defend about these subjective experiences unless they are claiming that they are more than that. I am not trying to prove that there is no other world. I don't know. But I am saying that we have not learned something new from this type of experience that should make us more confident about an afterlife than the dreams we may have enjoyed before waking up this morning. Sure. What I have noticed, for me lately, is that the subjective means of gaining knowledge seems to be picking up steam. And of course, it is subjective. It so happens that it seems to also have applications in the practical world. But for the most part, I am happy to keep my mouth shut about it, and let it develop as it may.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip There is nothing to defend about these subjective experiences unless they are claiming that they are more than that. I am not trying to prove that there is no other world. I don't know. But I am saying that we have not learned something new from this type of experience that should make us more confident about an afterlife than the dreams we may have enjoyed before waking up this morning. Sure. What I have noticed, for me lately, is that the subjective means of gaining knowledge seems to be picking up steam. And of course, it is subjective. It so happens that it seems to also have applications in the practical world. But for the most part, I am happy to keep my mouth shut about it, and let it develop as it may. We may not be so far apart on this as it might appear. We may just be drawing different lines. I am also a fan of subjective knowledge, it is where art comes from. Even in scientific knowledge development the parts of the brain working on problems often need channels for the creativity to flow out. So there is a dance between conscious and unconscious that I believe art accesses to help us use our full creativity. You may or may not believe there is a trans-personal component to this process and I definitely don't see any reason to believe it yet. But it may well turn out to be a reality in some form. Allowing better access to the inner intuition through creative arts is my biggest interest in education right now. Although my goals are not spiritual, inner is still inner and I am trying to facilitate it expressing itself. So if there is a God in there too, he will have a nice superhighway to roll out pimp'n large with the spinner chrome wheels on his Escalade. Or not. But either way there are usually ways to test our knowledge that helps us fool ourselves a bit less. That seems important.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin
Fair enough, Share. Thanks. I was acting in both my analysis of Barry and in my two posts to Curtis, from a clear conscience and a loving heart. I do not carry or have grudges--never have. My analysis came from a direct perception, and I believe it to be something that can be tested against one's experience. No one with any intelligence could fail to comprehend what I said. Indeed Curtis said it was formulaic, simple, and unsophisticated. In my two posts to Curtis I was acting honourably and appropriately, given what he had written to Ann about me and about his friend and then in his contemptuous reference to DrD. You will understand, then, Share, that as far as I am concerned my motives to write what I wrote were unimpeachable. You will realize therefore that your characterization of those posts gravely contradicts my conscious intention and experience--and make a mockery of those posters who chose to respond to what I have written in terms which coincide with my intention and experience. What this disagreement turns on then, Share, is the quality of truthfulness I exercised in writing that analysis of Barry, and in my two posts to Curtis versus the quality of truthfulness you are exercising in telling me I was in the case of the analysis of Barry expressing a grudge and that I was incomprehensible; and in the case of Curtis, that I was sarcastic and accusatory when he had been reasonable. You realize that if there is such a thing as truth and justice, one of us--since we are so polarized in our interpretations of these three events--is mistaken. Since there is no way to reconcile our respective judgments of this matter. I have given my explanation for how I understand why you wrote to authfriend asking why I wrote those posts and why you have written as you have here. Because the matter of free will is problematic for me metaphysically, I cannot accuse you of deliberating choosing to act in a way which you know was false. But I will say, Share, that you have a meta-phobia about making any sort of contact with life when it wishes to force its own interpretation upon you. You appear to me to be governed by some profound form of reality denial--and you can never escape from this. The sense of the tragic is, as fas I am concerned (Maharishi missed this) built into the nature of life as we human beings know it. I choose to embrace the tragic, and believe you can never get close to any kind of truth which means anything unless you are willing to suffer to know what is the beautiful. You--perhaps uncontrollably--flee from where reality would wish to hold you. It is a cause of sadness in me, Share. But you enlist all your resources in the service of protecting yourself against any chance realty might coercively impose its meaning upon you, instead of your imposing your philosophy on reality. My analysis of Barry, and then my two posts to Curtis, create real metaphysical discomfort in you; and you are compelled therefore to construe those posts in a form which will insulate you from the experience they were designed to produce. A hummingbird's wing moves more slowly than does your hidden anxiety, Share, as you seek to blow out the fire of existence itself and substitute your necessary sentimentality. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Hi Robin, FIVE hours in the Dome this afternoon! First helping with the cleaning. Which includes hoisting pieces of foam. Then program. And get this: there are women who have spent 5 hours every morning in the Dome FOR OVER SIX YEARS! How how how how?! Anyway, the post of yours which I only saw in one of Judy's finally came into my inbox at 2:45 this afternoon. It actually came in AFTER the ones you sent today! When I read your analysis of turq, I remember that I felt so disappointed. You seemed to be expressing a grudge and to be as incomprehensible as before. And when I read your exchanges with Curtis, I couldn't understand why you were being so sarcastic and accusatory when he sounded reasonable. In both cases I felt sad because I felt that gulf between us. From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 2:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin  I can't help myself. The reason why you asked Judy that question, Share, was because you sensed I was letting my anger get the best of me. [Apologies to BW for this sentence only] But I will ask you one other question: How do you account for the fact that DrD knew exactly why I wrote those three posts; and indeed his confidence in the justification for my having done so (as expressed in his post) exceeds in significant measure the perplexity my having done so induced in yourself? The answer here--Let's get it out, dear Share: You asked Judy that question because you tend
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Fair enough, Share. Thanks. I was acting in both my analysis of Barry and in my two posts to Curtis, from a clear conscience and a loving heart. I do not carry or have grudges--never have. My analysis came from a direct perception, and I believe it to be something that can be tested against one's experience. No one with any intelligence could fail to comprehend what I said. Indeed Curtis said it was formulaic, simple, and unsophisticated. In my two posts to Curtis I was acting honourably and appropriately, given what he had written to Ann about me and about his friend and then in his contemptuous reference to DrD. You will understand, then, Share, that as far as I am concerned my motives to write what I wrote were unimpeachable. You will realize therefore that your characterization of those posts gravely contradicts my conscious intention and experience--and make a mockery of those posters who chose to respond to what I have written in terms which coincide with my intention and experience. What this disagreement turns on then, Share, is the quality of truthfulness I exercised in writing that analysis of Barry, and in my two posts to Curtis versus the quality of truthfulness you are exercising in telling me I was in the case of the analysis of Barry expressing a grudge and that I was incomprehensible; and in the case of Curtis, that I was sarcastic and accusatory when he had been reasonable. You realize that if there is such a thing as truth and justice, one of us--since we are so polarized in our interpretations of these three events--is mistaken. Since there is no way to reconcile our respective judgments of this matter. I have given my explanation for how I understand why you wrote to authfriend asking why I wrote those posts and why you have written as you have here. Because the matter of free will is problematic for me metaphysically, I cannot accuse you of deliberating choosing to act in a way which you know was false. But I will say, Share, that you have a meta-phobia about making any sort of contact with life when it wishes to force its own interpretation upon you. You appear to me to be governed by some profound form of reality denial--and you can never escape from this. The sense of the tragic is, as fas I am concerned (Maharishi missed this) built into the nature of life as we human beings know it. I choose to embrace the tragic, and believe you can never get close to any kind of truth which means anything unless you are willing to suffer to know what is the beautiful. You--perhaps uncontrollably--flee from where reality would wish to hold you. It is a cause of sadness in me, Share. But you enlist all your resources in the service of protecting yourself against any chance realty might coercively impose its meaning upon you, instead of your imposing your philosophy on reality. My analysis of Barry, and then my two posts to Curtis, create real metaphysical discomfort in you; and you are compelled therefore to construe those posts in a form which will insulate you from the experience they were designed to produce. A hummingbird's wing moves more slowly than does your hidden anxiety, Share, as you seek to blow out the fire of existence itself and substitute your necessary sentimentality. This post will be wasted on some people. Others will use it as an excuse to dredge up unimaginative and unbecoming analyses of your motives for writing this as well as an indictment of your worth as a thinking, feeling human being. I, however, want to thank you for it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Hi Robin, FIVE hours in the Dome this afternoon! First helping with the cleaning. Which includes hoisting pieces of foam. Then program. And get this: there are women who have spent 5 hours every morning in the Dome FOR OVER SIX YEARS! How how how how?! Anyway, the post of yours which I only saw in one of Judy's finally came into my inbox at 2:45 this afternoon. It actually came in AFTER the ones you sent today! When I read your analysis of turq, I remember that I felt so disappointed. You seemed to be expressing a grudge and to be as incomprehensible as before. And when I read your exchanges with Curtis, I couldn't understand why you were being so sarcastic and accusatory when he sounded reasonable. In both cases I felt sad because I felt that gulf between us. From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 2:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Robin  I can't help myself. The reason why you asked Judy that question, Share, was because you sensed I was letting my anger get the best of me. [Apologies to
[FairfieldLife] Simple but profound
If more people understood this, the world would be a better place. What you believe doesn't mean shit. All that matters is what you do. [https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/3628_51806380157\ 2630_834551898_n.jpg]
