[FairfieldLife] Re: (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > > > One (1) Pundit has arrived! > > > > By a private effort, one `Maharishi' pundit did get a visa to come to > > and live in America and is in FF now. Just arrived and taking up > > residence in FF. > > > > No part of the TMorg millions ($) raised were allotted to this. The > > pundit is chanting and performing peace & coherence-making rites now > at > > the FF Devi Mandir Temple on W. Burlington Street. A culmination of > > some brilliant work on the part private efforts to actually bring > > pundits here. > > > > With Best Regards, > > -Doug in FF > > > Unbelievable, and only $449,000,000 :) too. > > JohnY > Yep, that staggering achievement of bringing over one pundit, supported by a private group of people. And who is his cook? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Current Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > daily tallies are found here > http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html I suppose these tallies include the Mother Divine ladies (who invite any lady to fly with them at their trailer park): http://www.invincibleamerica.org/mvc_photos.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Current Dome Numbers
daily tallies are found here http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Does anybody have the current dome numbers? I am curious as to whether there > is a claim for the Hurricane numbers being so few this year. Also Ernesto > and John haven't seemed to cause much, if any, damage. In fact, they seem to > be bringing much needed rains to some areas. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Masters and mistakes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's a valid question as to what constitutes a mistake. From a cosmic > perspective, sure, there are no mistakes and the universe is unfolding > as it should. That's true for everyone, enlightened or not. There's > nothing to fix, nothing wrong with anything. All is according to > natural law. Killing several tens of thousands of Iraquis or > destroying the world in a nuclear war or by global warming, or > creating heaven on earth are all in harmony with cosmic eveolution and > natural law. The only difference between the enlightened and > unenlightened is that the former know it. > > At the same time, this would mean there's no difference between MMY > and anyone else in this regard. The "mistakes" you or I make are just > as much "non-mistakes" in the grand scheme of things as MMY's, and MMY > is no more exempt from making those "non-mistakes" than we are. > > I guess if you look at stated outcomes, actions undertaken, and > results, you could decide if you thought it was a mistake. > > For exampe: > > Believing that thousands of adults with jobs and families and > responsibilities are going to drop everything and go on a course to > "save the world" one more time after you have systematically destroyed > your organization's credibility would be a mistake. > > There are many more such examples that could be listed--- but we don't > like to dwell on these things. ;) > > Cheers, > HD Beautifully stated. The sad thing is thousands of adults with jobs and families and responsibilities would have dropped everything and gone on a course to "save the world" one more time, if the TMO's credibility had NOT been systematically destroyed. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Masters and mistakes
It's a valid question as to what constitutes a mistake. From a cosmic perspective, sure, there are no mistakes and the universe is unfolding as it should. That's true for everyone, enlightened or not. There's nothing to fix, nothing wrong with anything. All is according to natural law. Killing several tens of thousands of Iraquis or destroying the world in a nuclear war or by global warming, or creating heaven on earth are all in harmony with cosmic eveolution and natural law. The only difference between the enlightened and unenlightened is that the former know it. At the same time, this would mean there's no difference between MMY and anyone else in this regard. The "mistakes" you or I make are just as much "non-mistakes" in the grand scheme of things as MMY's, and MMY is no more exempt from making those "non-mistakes" than we are. I guess if you look at stated outcomes, actions undertaken, and results, you could decide if you thought it was a mistake. For exampe: Believing that thousands of adults with jobs and families and responsibilities are going to drop everything and go on a course to "save the world" one more time after you have systematically destroyed your organization's credibility would be a mistake. There are many more such examples that could be listed--- but we don't like to dwell on these things. ;) Cheers, HD --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > To paraphrase someone I respect a lot in a > > discussion > > about "guru > > > > > infallibility"--some people say Maharishi > > doesn't make > > mistakes. > > > > > Nonesense. If you you are in the relative > > there are mistakes. > > He makes > > > > > a master's mistakes, that's all. > > > > > > > > > > With all the implications arising from that! > > > > > > > > Well put! > > > > > > > > > > When MMY talks about making "no mistakes," he's > > talking about > > doing things that slow > > > your evolution towards enlightenment. Once you > > reach CC you make > > no more mistakes. > > > That doesn't mean the person in CC can't miss the > > baseball when > > he/she swings at it. > > > > > > Also, as you progress beyond CC, your influence > > and perception of > > Self starts to expand > > > and "make no mistakes" takes on a broader and > > broader > > significance, but STILL in the > > > context of evolution towards enlightenment... > > > > > > ...and you STILL might miss that baseball, even in > > UC. > > > > > About making mistakes, Like Peter asks, 'what's a > > mistake?'. > > > > The reason Maharishi has said that enlightened souls > > don't make > > mistakes, is that from the perspective of an > > enlightened person, > > there are no mistakes. There is only the eternal > > ever changing > > relative existence, supported by Reality, of which > > we as enlightened > > individuals gracefully are. > > > > From the perspective of unenlightened individuals, > > mistakes are > > abundant, by definition, and so even if they are > > looking at an > > enlightened person, they will see mistakes. > > > > So when Maharishi says the enlightened don't make > > mistakes, he is > > simply clarifying the definition of enlightenment, > > the Reality of > > enlightenment, and not as many have supposed, > > justifying his actions > > to the unenlightened. > > I think you can see it as part of the "useful fiction" > MMY created in developing a waking state model of > Realization. We make lots of mistakes in waking state. > And I think, in waking state, a mistake is an action > that produces a result that we don't like. So we say, > "I made a mistake." It is interesting to note that all > mistakes are retrospective. They arise from > counter-factual thinking: "I did that, but I should > have done this." Although the option of "this" only > arises after having done "that." And when we did > "that" it was not a mistake because there was no > "this" as a behavioral option. "This" arises only > after the result of the action is experienced. "This" > is a fantasy of what we should have done when "that" > doesn't work out to our liking. It can tie the mind up > in knots. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 wrote: > > > Within the TMO there is a disinclination to consider that > > > MMY's word and actions are also influenced by culture and > > > thus that everything he says is not "the absolute speaking > > > absolutely" (rather, no more than it is when you or I or they > > > themselves speak), that women in saris is just fashion and > > > culture instead of a law of nature, that condemnation of > > > english and modern education and a strong campaign to > > > repatriate the wealth "stolen" by the west back to India > > > might be an just ideological quest, and that worshipping > > > "laws of nature" in the form of Lakshmi and Ganesh might > > > just be Hinduism and not neutral science. > > > > Again, well put. But one wants to be careful not to > > throw the baby out with the bathwater. For example, > > is listening to Vedic chanting merely cultural, or do > > the sounds actually have an effect on consciousness? > > > > How do you know where to draw the line? Sometimes it > > seems obvious, but other times it may not be quite so > > clear. And different people, of course, draw the line > > in different places, so that line isn't absolute either. > > All sounds have an effect on consciousness--weed whackers, Bach, > Vedic chanting, (c)rap music (the "c" is silent). Go for what feels > life-supporting for you. Likewise, if you like wearing saris, fine. > But to pretend it's a law of nature that women should wear saris is, > IMO, unnecessary. Yeah, well, that kind of misses my point, which was that *some* things that are apparently cultural may *also* be "scientific" in that their specific effects are universal. (I wasn't including saris, by the way.) And the issue with Vedic chanting, of course, would be whether it has a *positive* effect on consciousness. (I'm not talking about whether it's enjoyable or elevating to listen to aesthetically; I'd vastly rather listen to Bach for that.) > Drawing the lines is where thinking for ourselves comes in. > Ultimately, we're responsible for ourselves. So long as we recognize the lines aren't universal. > > Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is what I'd call insisting > that a country of 1 billion people throw out all English language > education and western-style schooling educate everyone in their own > tribal language and calling it Vedic. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/31/06 4:24 AM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > >> > After all, didn't SCI teach everyone > >> > that, to be fulfilled, a man must display more > >> > creative intelligence every day, and that one > >> > of the fundamentals of progress is growth? > >> > (Bonus question: Who can name the other > >> > four fundamentals?) > > > Stability, adaptability, integration, purification > >> > > >> > Imagine a school striving for research and teaching > >> > excellence, incorporating as many good ideas from > >> > MIU/MUM as possible but encouraging debate, inquiry, > >> > and free thinking. Meditator or not, anyone could > >> > attend, and those who did practice spiritual programs > >> > could come from any background. Perhaps, many > >> > of the best profs from MIU/MUM who have been > >> > dismissed over the years would be interested in > >> > returning to teach and conduct research in MIU2. > >> > > Great idea and great post. I¹ve often felt that one possible scenario after > MMY dies is that liberal forces within the TMO will prevail and MUM will > become such a university. Wishful thinking, probably. > Do they have a growing alumni endowment fund? Or has everything been funnled into pundits, rajas etc? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 wrote: > > Since I seem to be in a two cents mood for a few days > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > < big snip > > > > Obviously GD was a very powerfull > > > yogi, full with the radiance of decades of tapasya, but also with > very > > > outdated and oldfashioned ideas. > > > > Yes. There are some interesting points being made in this > discussion. > > > > One of my big heresies within the TMO was to suggest that being > > enlightened (yes, working on the assumption that MMY is enlightened) > > does not free one from all historic, cultural, and ideological > > boundarie s. It's easy for people to look at an old-fashioned idea > > that Guru Dev may have had and reject it because it doesn't fit with > > modern thinking. > > > > Within the TMO there is a disinclination to consider that > > MMY's word and actions are also influenced by culture and > > thus that everything he says is not "the absolute speaking > > absolutely" (rather, no more than it is when you or I or they > > themselves speak), that women in saris is just fashion and > > culture instead of a law of nature, that condemnation of > > english and modern education and a strong campaign to > > repatriate the wealth "stolen" by the west back to India > > might be an just ideological quest, and that worshipping > > "laws of nature" in the form of Lakshmi and Ganesh might > > just be Hinduism and not neutral science. > > Again, well put. But one wants to be careful not to > throw the baby out with the bathwater. For example, > is listening to Vedic chanting merely cultural, or do > the sounds actually have an effect on consciousness? > > How do you know where to draw the line? Sometimes it > seems obvious, but other times it may not be quite so > clear. And different people, of course, draw the line > in different places, so that line isn't absolute either. > All sounds have an effect on consciousness--weed whackers, Bach, Vedic chanting, (c)rap music (the "c" is silent). Go for what feels life-supporting for you. Likewise, if you like wearing saris, fine. But to pretend it's a law of nature that women should wear saris is, IMO, unnecessary. Drawing the lines is where thinking for ourselves comes in. Ultimately, we're responsible for ourselves. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is what I'd call insisting that a country of 1 billion people throw out all English language education and western-style schooling educate everyone in their own tribal language and calling it Vedic. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One (1) Pundit has arrived! > > By a private effort, one `Maharishi' pundit did get a visa to come to > and live in America and is in FF now. Just arrived and taking up > residence in FF. > > No part of the TMorg millions ($) raised were allotted to this. The > pundit is chanting and performing peace & coherence-making rites now at > the FF Devi Mandir Temple on W. Burlington Street. A culmination of > some brilliant work on the part private efforts to actually bring > pundits here. > > With Best Regards, > -Doug in FF Unbelievable, and only $449,000,000 :) too. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev Book
As some of you have noticed, until quite recently I have been taking an extended sabbatical from posting on FFL. In fact, I wasn't reading, either, so I am way out of touch with some threads and other developments. I noticed that Paul has posted several selections from his translation of the Upadesh Amrit collection of Guru Dev's talks, the same book I have been working on for several years. [In my case, not as the translator, but as the editor.] I'm sure many of you have wondered why I have been so silent regarding the book, and no doubt some have reached disappointing conclusions regarding the likelihood of its appearance. Not to worry. It is nearly finished. When I began work on the project, I was given some "higher guidance" to the effect that there was no obstacle to publication, but it could only happen at the "appropriate time". Somewhat problematically, I was not informed when that would be. The subsequent practical experience was that sometimes the work could proceed rapidly, while other times it seemingly could not proceed at all. To be sure, various apparent obstacles appeared with irritating frequency. In retrospect, it seems to me that they were just Nature's way of putting on the brakes so that the project didn't get to the finish line prematurely. The most substantial of the "impeding" influences affecting me directly was the protracted illness suffered by my mother prior to her passing away this past May. For most of the past 5 years, I have been primarily focused on her needs during her ordeals with hospitalization and moving from her home into assisted living quarters. Three major hospitalizations, two moves of all her worldly possessions, and a year and a half of dealing with "the system" to ensure that all her Medicare, Medicaid, Frail and Elderly Waiver, etc, were in place and functioningall in all, pretty much of a nightmare. During most of this period, it was more or less impossible to work on the book. Naturally, I became aware that people were impatient, or developing negative expectations, but there was no question in my mind where my most pressing responsibilities were. I just determined to do what had to be donein order of importance. Many factors have entered into the progress of the book. Resistance from the organization included some mild intimidation, but I ignored that. In fact, the book was brought up again during my application for the current course, and it was suggested that I might consider dropping it. I politely reaffirmed that this was not an option from my side. Now that my mother's business is mostly finished, I am gradually getting back to a life of my own. However, I am way behind on almost everything I have going. Where the book is concerned, a recent breakthrough was the completion of the proofing of the hindi and Sanskrit transliterations in the text and the notes. There is a bit more work remaining on the introduction and appendices, but all of that material has been completely researched and outlined. A half-dozen or so extremely minor questions remain on the text, but they will be easily resolved within the next few weeks. The talks themselves are now completely translated and annotated. Circumstances currently require that I devote an uncomfortable amount of time to financing my slightly substandard lifestyle. Fortunately, the book project has now reached the point where a bit of assistance with the proofing, etc, can greatly facilitate the eventual production. Please think positively about this project so as not to add to the energies of those who wish it would just go away. Thanks. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction on 8/31/06 9:06 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The only WMD that I have experienced in the movement was this guy > that used to fart the most horrendous noxious vapors every single > program in the dome, which totally polluted any bliss that was being > created. > I am sure he is part of the reason for low dome numbers of recent > years. I had a guy near me for a long time who had the weirdest, most offensive B.O. I’ve ever experienced. I used to come in the first wave, get deep in meditation, then he would come in the 2nd wave and bring me out. I finally said something to him, very politely, and he was totally offended. He wasn’t capable of considering that it might be true. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
Premanand Paul, Thank you for another enormous contribution. Your site on Guru Dev is tremendous. And this teaching of his (below) hits the spot. Jai Guru Dev ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes Barry2, in this context that must be what he meant and I have > ammended the translation to reflect this view: > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > Paul Mason wrote: > > > > >Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few > > >words about when and how to meditate. > > >Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 > > > > > >"At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but > at > > >night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of > japa > > >of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa > muurti' > > >(desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout > > >meditation) quick advancement occurs. > > > > > >In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the > mantra, > > >and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the > > >ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on > the > > >foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of > compassion > > >of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The > vision > > >of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not > envisage > > >the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen the > > >vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the ishhTa > in > > >the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra. From > > >this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the mind > > >gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end will > stay > > >in this condition. On the strength of this you should go across > the > > >ocean of samsaara." > > >['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 48 of 108] > > > > > >More: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm > > > > > It's important to remember that India being close to the equator > does > > not have the varying sunrise and sunset times nor Daylight Saving > Time > > that more northerly countries have. Hence many gurus will modify > the > > meditation after sunset to meditating in a dark room. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Peter wrote: > > > > > > --- Alex Stanley wrote: > > > > > > > > There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/leh5z > > > > > > > > I remember reading an article about that > > commercial > > > > when it first came > > > > out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take > > > > after take after > > > > take, for hours on end, and finally it worked > > > > perfectly, and the crew > > > > was stunned when it finally worked. > > > > > > Having worked in TV production for many years in > > my > > > first career, I doubt such a complex sequence > > would be > > > left to chance and shot over and over again until > > it > > > came out right. It would cost way too much because > > of > > > the time involved. A producer would say ,"NO WAY" > > to > > > the expense. I believe the production story is > > just a > > > fun, false story. > > > > The Honda spot's entitled "Cog." The industry press > > made a big deal of its authenticity at the time. > > > > Here's a summary, for example: > > > > "To create "Cog," Weiden & Kennedy assembled a > > team of engineers, sculptors, art directors, and > > film pros. It took one month to draft the script, > > two months for concept drawings and storyboards, > > and four more months of development and testing. > > Filming took place over four days and nights in a > > huge studio in Paris France. After 605 takes (yes, > > six hundred and five), they finally got it right on > > the 606th." > > > > http://tinyurl.com/qfnj7 > > Well, maybe it is true, but I struggle with it! > Someone had too much money to burn. > > Yep. What many people don't understand is that shiny metal is one of the easiest things to do with CGI. Organic/living modeling, like the URLs of the still-lifes of the women that I posted, is probably the hardest. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > And with today's DVDs the setups and rehearsals for many > > > stunts like these are shown in the extras including how > > > the cars are often modified. > > > > That wasn't a stunt. It was a sure bet for CGI except the > > firm that did it conned the producers into footing the bill > > for live-action. > > > > IMHO of course. > > Look at it again...that ain't no CGI. Just for one > thing, for CGI they'd have conceived and designed it > differently, more closeups, more visually intelligible. > It's hard to figure out exactly what's happening in some > parts of it; and it's obvious that some parts of it > *just barely* make it. It's not all that smooth, which > is what makes it so breathtaking. > I understand. I just don't consider a rube goldberg apparatus a "stunt." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you for a well thought out and insightful posting. > > Myself, I haven't applied to this course. Not because I wouldn't > want to...I would just LOVE to participate in a program with 1,000 > other people...it would be, simply, wonderful. > > And it's not that I would be excluded unless having the occasional > Sunday night dinner at the Hare Krishna temple or attending weekly > yoga classes are punishable offenses...gee, anyone think that maybe > they WOULD be if I put them down on the form?>>> Dude, don't put them down on the form. You are the boss of life --- no-one else ! > > It's just that I would be extemely uncomfortable OUTSIDE the Dome, > say, in the dining room or the lecture hall where the inevitable > conversations would come up about the TMO and MMY and I would to > hear stuff that I totally disagree with...things that I am > fundamentally opposed to.>>> I have nothing against TMO, but I am sure I would offend a bunch of them... no problem. > > It is, admittedly, my own weakness ///snip///system. Yes, I know > that the TM Program is a do-it-yourself program and I shouldn't have > to rely on an outside organisation or "like-minded peers"...and I am > able to survive on my own. > But it's damn lonely. And, yes, I do feel resentment towards the > TMO and MMY for putting me in this position. > MMY and the TMO should be supporting ME and not the cult that the > TMO has grown into, nor those that have enabled it to become a cult. > People like ME should be the priority.>>> Good point, but I am afraid to say the ANY organisation that tries to be something other than a loose grouping, is BOUND to become an obnoxious place to be for the likes of you and I. It is innevitable. However, you can just realise that you are a man of Tao. Confucious was walking along the river bank with his disciples when they noticed an old man in the wild rapids, they saw him go under the raging waters and wanted to save him, but to their astonishment he surfaced a ways downstream and easily stepped from the water as if having taken a morning dip in a bath. The students amazed asked him "Old Sir, how were you able to survive these deadly waters, were you not hurt?" No, replied the old man, I am a man of Tao, and I swim with the ebb and flow of the world. OffWorldBeings To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Current Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/31/06 4:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> > Does anybody have the current dome numbers? I am curious as to whether > >> there > >> > is a claim for the Hurricane numbers being so few this year. Also Ernesto > >> and > >> > John haven't seemed to cause much, if any, damage. In fact, they seem to be > >> > bringing much needed rains to some areas. > >> > > Winds in the areas where hurricanes germinate have been about 5 mph faster > than normal this year, which cools the water, thus weakening the storms. I've heard it's not so much cooler water, but more upper level wind shear which keeps the storms from developing. That wind shear condition went back to normal a couple weeks ago, so more should be forming now. So few hurricanes?? Compared to what, last year's records?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Current Dome Numbers
--- feste37 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > About 950 in the mornings, 1,200+ in the evenings. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > Does anybody have the current dome numbers? I am > curious as to whether > there > > is a claim for the Hurricane numbers being so few > this year. Also Ernesto > > and John haven't seemed to cause much, if any, > damage. In fact, they seem > to > > be bringing much needed rains to some areas. I am responsible for destroying the wrath of Ernesto through arcane tantic drum rituals. > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Peter wrote: > > > > --- Alex Stanley wrote: > > > > > > There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/leh5z > > > > > > I remember reading an article about that > commercial > > > when it first came > > > out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take > > > after take after > > > take, for hours on end, and finally it worked > > > perfectly, and the crew > > > was stunned when it finally worked. > > > > Having worked in TV production for many years in > my > > first career, I doubt such a complex sequence > would be > > left to chance and shot over and over again until > it > > came out right. It would cost way too much because > of > > the time involved. A producer would say ,"NO WAY" > to > > the expense. I believe the production story is > just a > > fun, false story. > > The Honda spot's entitled "Cog." The industry press > made a big deal of its authenticity at the time. > > Here's a summary, for example: > > "To create "Cog," Weiden & Kennedy assembled a > team of engineers, sculptors, art directors, and > film pros. It took one month to draft the script, > two months for concept drawings and storyboards, > and four more months of development and testing. > Filming took place over four days and nights in a > huge studio in Paris France. After 605 takes (yes, > six hundred and five), they finally got it right on > the 606th." > > http://tinyurl.com/qfnj7 Well, maybe it is true, but I struggle with it! Someone had too much money to burn. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
The only WMD that I have experienced in the movement was this guy that used to fart the most horrendous noxious vapors every single program in the dome, which totally polluted any bliss that was being created. I am sure he is part of the reason for low dome numbers of recent years. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There has been quite a bit of discussion lately regarding the movement's policies and > practices surrounding the exclusion of Sidhas and Governors from the group practice in > the Domes. > > It has been noted that many individuals previously banned have been allowed to > participate in the current course, some after many years of exclusion. This is a good > development, and I welcome it. It has also been noted that many individuals continue to > be excluded. Some numbers have been mentioned from time to time, but it is difficult to > know with any degree of certainty to what extent the banning continues, as the machinery > of exclusion is mostly private. > > A few days ago I had a conversation with my friend Tim Britton, who is among those not > admitted to the current program. In the course of our conversation, I couldn't help but be > impressed with Tim's integrity and equanimity, his total lack of hard feelings toward the > course office, and his willingness to rationally consider the arguments put forward in > support of his exclusion. > > In fact, Tim managed to articulate these policies with greater clarity than I have ever heard > them articulated by representatives of the movement. Consequently, I must admit that my > own paraphrasing is somewhat less refined, and therefore perhaps less convincing. > > I would like to address, in particular, two arguments recently advanced in support of > exclusions. > > The first says that if people are practicing techniques learned from other teachers or > organizationseven if they do not practice these techniques in the Domethey might be > disrupting the practice of others. The argument asserts that "alien" techniques might have > undesirable physiological effects which could adversely affect those sitting near the > practitioner. > > The other argument is even more esoteric, and deals with the issue of loyalty to the > master and the master's organization. It says that even if an individual practices ONLY > Maharishi's technologies in the Dome, the practice of other techniques in private will > breach (on some subtle, ultra-refined level) the coherence within the group, therefore > upsetting the progress of all those connected with it. > > Aside from my own lack of skill in articulating these concepts, they both suffer from > serious problems of credibility. > > First of all, they are not based on anything resembling systematic observation. > > Those who have been excluded on the basis of "alien practices" are generally those who > have been exposed through spying, informants, or chance. Occasionally they were victims > of their own honesty in answering a questionnaire. > > However, they weren't busted because someone saw them doing something weird in the > Domes. Nor were they exposed because people sitting next to them fainted or began > vomiting, or were suddenly, mysteriously, unable to fly. > > Similarly, no one to my knowledge has put forth a compelling argument as to how one's > evolution is necessarily damaged by adding a spiritual practice to one's private program. > More amazingly, to my way of thinking, no one has explained how a seasoned, > experienced Sidha or Governor would fail to notice if a practice produced undesirable > results, or would continue a practice that was not satisfying. > > In truth, very rarely does one hear it claimed outright that the "alien" techniques are known > to produce bad effects of any kind for the practitioner (other than banning, of course). > However, it is regularly IMPLIED that such is the case. One phrase which I have often heard, > in that regard, is that " we just don't know what the effect would be". > > Let me see: is there a better definition of acting from ignorance? > > On the one hand, we are told again and again of the enormous value of every single warm > body that can be included in the group program. It has been "proven by dozens of > meticulous research projects around the world", and those of us who are in possession of > this knowledge are morally obligated to act on it. > > On the other hand, despite the fact that there has been no research on the putative > negative effects of practicing "alien techniques" in private, and the fact that we have no > actual reason to believe that those effects are negative with respect to the Dome > experience, we are encouraged to believe that the exclusion of those practitioners from > the group program is somehow in the interest of world peace. > > In other words, the arguments i
[FairfieldLife] Re: (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
What about the one that got lost in the Kansas cornfields after the yagya's for the brahmasthan of America years ago, and is still wandering around the cornfields looking for the Vedic Center there? OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One (1) Pundit has arrived! > > By a private effort, one `Maharishi' pundit did get a visa to come to > and live in America and is in FF now. Just arrived and taking up > residence in FF. > > No part of the TMorg millions ($) raised were allotted to this. The > pundit is chanting and performing peace & coherence-making rites now at > the FF Devi Mandir Temple on W. Burlington Street. A culmination of > some brilliant work on the part private efforts to actually bring > pundits here. > > With Best Regards, > -Doug in FF > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- Peter wrote: > > --- Alex Stanley wrote: > > > > There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/leh5z > > > > I remember reading an article about that commercial > > when it first came > > out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take > > after take after > > take, for hours on end, and finally it worked > > perfectly, and the crew > > was stunned when it finally worked. > > Having worked in TV production for many years in my > first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be > left to chance and shot over and over again until it > came out right. It would cost way too much because of > the time involved. A producer would say ,"NO WAY" to > the expense. I believe the production story is just a > fun, false story. The Honda spot's entitled "Cog." The industry press made a big deal of its authenticity at the time. Here's a summary, for example: "To create "Cog," Weiden & Kennedy assembled a team of engineers, sculptors, art directors, and film pros. It took one month to draft the script, two months for concept drawings and storyboards, and four more months of development and testing. Filming took place over four days and nights in a huge studio in Paris France. After 605 takes (yes, six hundred and five), they finally got it right on the 606th." http://tinyurl.com/qfnj7 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of > > > > > > > lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? > > > > > > > > > > > > By the classical definition, they CANNOT be gurus. > > > > > > > > > > Sorta like the classical prohibition against > > > > > charging for instruction, I guess. > > > > > > > > Exactly like it. But MMY is not a guru in the traditional > > > > sense, and he doesn't charge for instruction. > > > > > > Whaddya mean, he doesn't charge for instruction? > > > > His organziation charges for lifetime menbership in the > organization. A distinction without a difference > Naah. There is no such thing as "membership" in > the TMO. He charges for instruction and lifetime > follow-up on that instruction. Agreed. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Current Dome Numbers
About 950 in the mornings, 1,200+ in the evenings. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Does anybody have the current dome numbers? I am curious as to whether there > is a claim for the Hurricane numbers being so few this year. Also Ernesto > and John haven't seemed to cause much, if any, damage. In fact, they seem to > be bringing much needed rains to some areas. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Reply below. snip > Myself, I haven't applied to this course. Not because I wouldn't > want to...I would just LOVE to participate in a program with 1,000 > other people...it would be, simply, wonderful. > > And it's not that I would be excluded unless having the occasional > Sunday night dinner at the Hare Krishna temple or attending weekly > yoga classes are punishable offenses...gee, anyone think that maybe > they WOULD be if I put them down on the form? > > It's just that I would be extemely uncomfortable OUTSIDE the Dome, > say, in the dining room or the lecture hall where the inevitable > conversations would come up about the TMO and MMY and I would to > hear stuff that I totally disagree with...things that I am > fundamentally opposed to. > > It is, admittedly, my own weakness but I think it best NOT to be > around the TMO and its activities when I feel so fundamentally > opposed to some of its policies and practises. My anger would > overshadow my tranquility of being there and I would not be able to > hold back my unhappiness and would express it to those around me > thus, in turn, making THEM uncomfortable...and I wouldn't want to do > that, especially if I would then be earmarked as a "trouble-maker". > > So I stay away. snip to end I think this is legitimate. I applaud the maturity and compassion in your recognition that your hard feelings are your own baggage and that you don't wish to inflict them on others. It is probably a good rule of thumb that one shouldn't be a party pooper. As I told one of the course officers while still engaged in the application process (in response to questions about my thinking about various "controversial issues"); My thinking about things is pretty much the same. It is the feeling that has changed. I don't feel much need to argue or to lobby for a point of viewunless someone is trying to cram movement BS down my throat. Believe it or not, that still happens sometimes. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Paul Mason wrote: > > >Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few > >words about when and how to meditate. > >Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 Paul, just how far do you think MMY would have gotten in teaching people around the world to meditate if he had been teaching a la Guru Dev? Or, what do you think would have happened if MMY had taught as he did, and these instructions from Guru Dev had been translated and made available through the TMO? How many TMers would have decided they were going to try it Guru Dev's way, and what would have been the result? Especially in the absence of Guru Dev's personal guidance? What was MMY going to say, "No, no, don't do what Guru Dev instructed, do what I instruct"? You keep suggesting that there's something sinister about MMY not promoting Guru Dev's actual teaching, but that's one of the silliest criticisms I've encountered. MMY obviously *didn't have a choice* if he wanted TM to be universally accepted--or even to *work*, for that matter. The context in which Guru Dev taught was just too different. I suppose MMY could have issued a carefully bowdlerized version of Guru Dev's lectures with all the sectarian Hinduism taken out. What would you have thought of that? What would have been left? Would that have been true to Guru Dev's intent? If you want to bash MMY for going global with TM instead of staying back in India and teaching a few people exactly what Guru Dev taught, ishtas and all--or for teaching anything in the first place-- fine. But if you don't disapprove of his wanting to make TM universal, you really don't have a leg to stand on in suggesting that he is dishonoring Guru Dev by not promoting his original teachings. That just makes no sense at all. > >"At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but at > >night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of japa > >of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa muurti' > >(desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout > >meditation) quick advancement occurs. > > > >In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the mantra, > >and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the > >ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on the > >foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of compassion > >of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The vision > >of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not envisage > >the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen the > >vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the ishhTa in > >the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra. From > >this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the mind > >gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end will stay > >in this condition. On the strength of this you should go across the > >ocean of samsaara." > >['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 48 of 108] > > > >More: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm > > > It's important to remember that India being close to the equator does > not have the varying sunrise and sunset times nor Daylight Saving Time > that more northerly countries have. Hence many gurus will modify the > meditation after sunset to meditating in a dark room. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Would rather" acts as a verb, meaning "prefer"; > "I would rather" is an idiom meaning "I would > prefer it if..." > > Sorry, didn't mean to spring another idiom > on you! Thanks for your efforts. No problem as I am learning, and you are obviously not insulting. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A FREE ONLINE LIBRARY - A NON-COMMERCIAL PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
A FREE ONLINE LIBRARY - A NON-COMMERCIAL PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT Dear moderators, Since we are non-sectarian scientists, we don't conform to any single religion to the exclusion of all the others. We herein present scriptural and scientific evidence to support the General Theory of Rasa Tantra or Hermetic Science. According to Scientific Method, this mountain of scriptural quotes and medical case histories comprise our "Secondary Analysis", which is the Evidence Warranting Experimental Research, in order to ascertain the veracity of these claims, presented in the scriptures of these many religions. Faith is a two-edged sword: It enables us to have what we imagine, but, if our understanding is incorrect, it also can deceive us into imagining we have what we really in fact don't! After reading the entire Tantrayudha, I can only wonder about the "faith" of those who oppose this golden opportunity to enjoy a longer and happier life. Please be open-minded, and let's thoroughly investigate what is presented in the many volumes of The Tantrayudha, which is about the Science of Salvation from Suffering. The remarkable thing is that the world's major religious interpretations have less evidence to substantiate their claims than does Salvation Science! One must have the intelligence to know that the long tradition, great wealth and enormous numbers of followers of the world's major fundamentalist sectarian religions, do not verify, in any scientific way, their vague claims of Salvation, from what they haven't even yet thought about. Those who won't give, find it hard to receive. Like Jesus said: "Those who save their lives (by conforming to erroneous norms) will lose their lives. But those who lose their lives in saving lives, will save their lives". There is no security in falsehood. You who refuse to learn new things and can't tolerate change - This is not for you. To all the others, we send blessings in new chances to deciper and discover old mysteries, with a significant possibility for self-improvement and a general uplifting of society. The mind-set of the masses, determines what is written in the annals of history. God help the world which despises the Righteous Human Attributes of: Knowledge, Reason, Honesty, and Compassion, for such maniacs will write only horror scripts to be enacted on the stage of life, thus denegrating our history and ourselves. Jai Om. - Sw. Tantrasangha SAVE THE MESSAGE OF THE LONGER & HAPPIER LIFE FROM EXTINCTION http://www.salvationscience.com Whether we know it or not, the absence of this Holy Gnosis throughout the world, is the prime cause of unhappiness in our lives. To live without this Revealed Gospel of Salvation from Suffering, is a "throw-away" body in a disposable world! Like the Bible says: The devils, knowing their time is short, will "raise hell"! If our lives were healthier and longer, and satisfied by Higher Consciousness instead of by the hoarding of paltry possessions, then we might find the Salvation from Suffering, promised by the great masters, such as Our Beloved Lord Jesus. Our dear Elder has expressed the very highest desire, to preserve the Sanatana (Eternal) Dharma, so that souls will no longer be incarnating into a troublesome and unhappy world of the cheaters and the cheated. Take pity on the poor babies being born into this den of demons, devils hell-bent to dupe the new-born with false doctrines, which will only bring suffering. First, save the Message, and ensure it will continue on into the future, by saving it, copying it, publishing it, and distributing it. We must also revert to our pre-computer tactics of "hard copies" - paper copies which can survive an attack by Electro-Magnetic Pulse, or any other diminution in electronics and technology. Second, unless you are very wealthy, you must band together in groups, for the purpose of separating yourselves from the attacks of the unworthy, so that you might attain unto the long-sought Rebirth of Bioplasma and Spirit by Meiosis of a New Genome - to be "Born Again of water and Spirit", as Jesus called it. Like the Holy Bible promises: "I give you a white (philosopher's) stone (a purified body) with a new name (a new Genetic Code Genome), and nobody will know that Name but you". Ekongcar Sat Nam (One Om Body is the True Name or True Nature of God). As always, we speak not in the words which the ignorant don't understand and rhetoric whereby liars deceive, but we speak in terms of the Holy Gnosis, which is the actual meaning of the words. The label of the thing is not the thing itself. The Subjective God Within, is the longer and happier life, which must manifest within us, in order to attain Salvation from Suffering. Jai Om. - Sw. Tantrasangha http://www.salvationscience.com Re: [Alchemical Taoism] A SCIENCE OF SALVATION FROM SUFFERING Please save the website to disc for us, so that we can order a copy if needed. Thanks! - Elder RE: A SCIENCE OF SALVATION FROM SUFFERING http://www.salvat
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
Yes Barry2, in this context that must be what he meant and I have ammended the translation to reflect this view: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Paul Mason wrote: > > >Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few > >words about when and how to meditate. > >Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 > > > >"At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but at > >night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of japa > >of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa muurti' > >(desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout > >meditation) quick advancement occurs. > > > >In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the mantra, > >and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the > >ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on the > >foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of compassion > >of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The vision > >of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not envisage > >the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen the > >vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the ishhTa in > >the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra. From > >this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the mind > >gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end will stay > >in this condition. On the strength of this you should go across the > >ocean of samsaara." > >['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 48 of 108] > > > >More: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm > > > It's important to remember that India being close to the equator does > not have the varying sunrise and sunset times nor Daylight Saving Time > that more northerly countries have. Hence many gurus will modify the > meditation after sunset to meditating in a dark room. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > And with today's DVDs the setups and rehearsals for many > > > stunts like these are shown in the extras including how > > > the cars are often modified. > > > > That wasn't a stunt. It was a sure bet for CGI except the > > firm that did it conned the producers into footing the bill > > for live-action. > > > > IMHO of course. > > Look at it again...that ain't no CGI. Just for one > thing, for CGI they'd have conceived and designed it > differently, more closeups, more visually intelligible. > It's hard to figure out exactly what's happening in some > parts of it; and it's obvious that some parts of it > *just barely* make it. It's not all that smooth, which > is what makes it so breathtaking. > It's an incredible ballet and yet another example that some of the best cinema created have been commercials. And great music accompanied it. Perfect match. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma for stirring > up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty threat, like > children use. As I have been able to piece it together, it was not even like that. It was more intended as a confrontational shock tactic intended to jolt the exchange into a different level. It failed, and was probably poorly considered, but the individual who made the "threat" is, to the best of my knowledge, no more capable of harming Shiva Ma than you are. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There has been quite a bit of discussion lately regarding the movement's policies and > practices surrounding the exclusion of Sidhas and Governors from the group practice in > the Domes. > > It has been noted that many individuals previously banned have been allowed to > participate in the current course, some after many years of exclusion. This is a good > development, and I welcome it. It has also been noted that many individuals continue to > be excluded. Some numbers have been mentioned from time to time, but it is difficult to > know with any degree of certainty to what extent the banning continues, as the machinery > of exclusion is mostly private. > > A few days ago I had a conversation with my friend Tim Britton, who is among those not > admitted to the current program. In the course of our conversation, I couldn't help but be > impressed with Tim's integrity and equanimity, his total lack of hard feelings toward the > course office, and his willingness to rationally consider the arguments put forward in > support of his exclusion. > > In fact, Tim managed to articulate these policies with greater clarity than I have ever heard > them articulated by representatives of the movement. Consequently, I must admit that my > own paraphrasing is somewhat less refined, and therefore perhaps less convincing. > > I would like to address, in particular, two arguments recently advanced in support of > exclusions. > > The first says that if people are practicing techniques learned from other teachers or > organizationseven if they do not practice these techniques in the Domethey might be > disrupting the practice of others. The argument asserts that "alien" techniques might have > undesirable physiological effects which could adversely affect those sitting near the > practitioner. > > The other argument is even more esoteric, and deals with the issue of loyalty to the > master and the master's organization. It says that even if an individual practices ONLY > Maharishi's technologies in the Dome, the practice of other techniques in private will > breach (on some subtle, ultra-refined level) the coherence within the group, therefore > upsetting the progress of all those connected with it. > > Aside from my own lack of skill in articulating these concepts, they both suffer from > serious problems of credibility. > > First of all, they are not based on anything resembling systematic observation. > > Those who have been excluded on the basis of "alien practices" are generally those who > have been exposed through spying, informants, or chance. Occasionally they were victims > of their own honesty in answering a questionnaire. > > However, they weren't busted because someone saw them doing something weird in the > Domes. Nor were they exposed because people sitting next to them fainted or began > vomiting, or were suddenly, mysteriously, unable to fly. > > Similarly, no one to my knowledge has put forth a compelling argument as to how one's > evolution is necessarily damaged by adding a spiritual practice to one's private program. > More amazingly, to my way of thinking, no one has explained how a seasoned, > experienced Sidha or Governor would fail to notice if a practice produced undesirable > results, or would continue a practice that was not satisfying. > > In truth, very rarely does one hear it claimed outright that the "alien" techniques are known > to produce bad effects of any kind for the practitioner (other than banning, of course). > However, it is regularly IMPLIED that such is the case. One phrase which I have often heard, > in that regard, is that " we just don't know what the effect would be". > > Let me see: is there a better definition of acting from ignorance? > > On the one hand, we are told again and again of the enormous value of every single warm > body that can be included in the group program. It has been "proven by dozens of > meticulous research projects around the world", and those of us who are in possession of > this knowledge are morally obligated to act on it. > > On the other hand, despite the fact that there has been no research on the putative > negative effects of practicing "alien techniques" in private, and the fact that we have no > actual reason to believe that those effects are negative with respect to the Dome > experience, we are encouraged to believe that the exclusion of those practitioners from > the group program is somehow in the interest of world peace. > > In other words, the arguments in favor of blacklisting are actually rather vague and > opaque. We don't know what, if any, are the actual effects of letting people into the Dome > who practice some alternate or auxiliary techniques at home. > > We do, however, know the effects of the blacklisting. > > As an immediate, direct
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > And with today's DVDs the setups and rehearsals for many > > stunts like these are shown in the extras including how > > the cars are often modified. > > That wasn't a stunt. It was a sure bet for CGI except the > firm that did it conned the producers into footing the bill > for live-action. > > IMHO of course. Look at it again...that ain't no CGI. Just for one thing, for CGI they'd have conceived and designed it differently, more closeups, more visually intelligible. It's hard to figure out exactly what's happening in some parts of it; and it's obvious that some parts of it *just barely* make it. It's not all that smooth, which is what makes it so breathtaking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. > > > > . . . > > > > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, > > > > therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. > > > > > > A wise precaution. I've been doing research for > > > a story idea about religious fanatics who are > > > willing to commit serious crimes (including > > > murder) to "protect" their fanatical ideas of > > > what is "true" and what is not. The more you > > > read about the real things that these kinds > > > of real people do in the name of God and > > > religion, the scarier it gets and the more > > > precautions you feel like taking in your life > > > if you are perceived by one or more of them > > > as a "heretic." > > > > > > Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism > > > didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/ > > > Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world > > > there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- > > > of murders performed in the name of God. It really > > > lends credence to the idea that religion is a > > > disease, and that what the world needs is not > > > more religion, but an antidote to it. > > > > > > > > I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or excuse > > for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered > > through the ages because of it. > > > > However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and > > suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of communism) > > than ever died in the name of religion. > > > > > Really? As a percentage of people alive at the time, or are you using raw numbers? > raw numbers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. > > > > . . . > > > > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, > > > > therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. > > > > > > A wise precaution. I've been doing research for > > > a story idea about religious fanatics who are > > > willing to commit serious crimes (including > > > murder) to "protect" their fanatical ideas of > > > what is "true" and what is not. The more you > > > read about the real things that these kinds > > > of real people do in the name of God and > > > religion, the scarier it gets and the more > > > precautions you feel like taking in your life > > > if you are perceived by one or more of them > > > as a "heretic." > > > > > > Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism > > > didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/ > > > Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world > > > there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- > > > of murders performed in the name of God. It really > > > lends credence to the idea that religion is a > > > disease, and that what the world needs is not > > > more religion, but an antidote to it. > > > > > > > > I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or > excuse > > for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered > > through the ages because of it. > > > > However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and > > suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of communism) > > than ever died in the name of religion. > > > > True, but communism and nazism were run in much the same way as all > religions, with powerful figureheads dispensing the "truth", true > believers, heretics and outsiders etc. It's just human nature to > form us & them groups. Agreed. But that's why it isn't religion per se that creates these problems but ideologies of ANY kind. Like, say, a blind adherence to the belief that global warming is going to destroy all of mankind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill > somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I hope). > It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know the > threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - when > MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking over the > TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you never > know what will happen. > Ingegerd The first time Amma came to FF she received three death threats. A spiritual teacher who was planning to come a few months before her received one and changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma for stirring up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty threat, like children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many years says be regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and not above killing someone or having them killed. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Weapons of Mass Destruction
There has been quite a bit of discussion lately regarding the movement's policies and practices surrounding the exclusion of Sidhas and Governors from the group practice in the Domes. It has been noted that many individuals previously banned have been allowed to participate in the current course, some after many years of exclusion. This is a good development, and I welcome it. It has also been noted that many individuals continue to be excluded. Some numbers have been mentioned from time to time, but it is difficult to know with any degree of certainty to what extent the banning continues, as the machinery of exclusion is mostly private. A few days ago I had a conversation with my friend Tim Britton, who is among those not admitted to the current program. In the course of our conversation, I couldn't help but be impressed with Tim's integrity and equanimity, his total lack of hard feelings toward the course office, and his willingness to rationally consider the arguments put forward in support of his exclusion. In fact, Tim managed to articulate these policies with greater clarity than I have ever heard them articulated by representatives of the movement. Consequently, I must admit that my own paraphrasing is somewhat less refined, and therefore perhaps less convincing. I would like to address, in particular, two arguments recently advanced in support of exclusions. The first says that if people are practicing techniques learned from other teachers or organizationseven if they do not practice these techniques in the Domethey might be disrupting the practice of others. The argument asserts that "alien" techniques might have undesirable physiological effects which could adversely affect those sitting near the practitioner. The other argument is even more esoteric, and deals with the issue of loyalty to the master and the master's organization. It says that even if an individual practices ONLY Maharishi's technologies in the Dome, the practice of other techniques in private will breach (on some subtle, ultra-refined level) the coherence within the group, therefore upsetting the progress of all those connected with it. Aside from my own lack of skill in articulating these concepts, they both suffer from serious problems of credibility. First of all, they are not based on anything resembling systematic observation. Those who have been excluded on the basis of "alien practices" are generally those who have been exposed through spying, informants, or chance. Occasionally they were victims of their own honesty in answering a questionnaire. However, they weren't busted because someone saw them doing something weird in the Domes. Nor were they exposed because people sitting next to them fainted or began vomiting, or were suddenly, mysteriously, unable to fly. Similarly, no one to my knowledge has put forth a compelling argument as to how one's evolution is necessarily damaged by adding a spiritual practice to one's private program. More amazingly, to my way of thinking, no one has explained how a seasoned, experienced Sidha or Governor would fail to notice if a practice produced undesirable results, or would continue a practice that was not satisfying. In truth, very rarely does one hear it claimed outright that the "alien" techniques are known to produce bad effects of any kind for the practitioner (other than banning, of course). However, it is regularly IMPLIED that such is the case. One phrase which I have often heard, in that regard, is that " we just don't know what the effect would be". Let me see: is there a better definition of acting from ignorance? On the one hand, we are told again and again of the enormous value of every single warm body that can be included in the group program. It has been "proven by dozens of meticulous research projects around the world", and those of us who are in possession of this knowledge are morally obligated to act on it. On the other hand, despite the fact that there has been no research on the putative negative effects of practicing "alien techniques" in private, and the fact that we have no actual reason to believe that those effects are negative with respect to the Dome experience, we are encouraged to believe that the exclusion of those practitioners from the group program is somehow in the interest of world peace. In other words, the arguments in favor of blacklisting are actually rather vague and opaque. We don't know what, if any, are the actual effects of letting people into the Dome who practice some alternate or auxiliary techniques at home. We do, however, know the effects of the blacklisting. As an immediate, direct, mathematically quantifiable result: fewer people in the Domes. As a longer term, indirect, less-easily-quantifiable-but-nevertheless-observable result: still fewer people in the Domes. Those who are banned often face negative social and ec
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > More like, "I'd rather you were dead." > > > > > > > > > > > > Is that a full sentence? > > > > > > > > > > The part in quotes is. > > > > > > > > Were is the verb? > > > > > > > > > > That's an interesting expression in English. "Rather" seems > > > to act like a verb. I think it's an ellipsis, or stuff. > > > I'd say from the English point of view it's perfectly > > > grammatical. > > > > > > This from Webster's: :) > > > > > > 7. had or would rather, to prefer that or to: I had much rather we > > > not stay. We would rather go for dinner after the show. > > > > > > > On second thought, I might be all wrong. I've always thought > > there's an ellipsis of the predicate verb, but it might > > not be the case after all. Beats me! > > > > The apostrphe-d is the verb. Stands for "would" or "had" in > informal English. Yeah, but those are auxiliary verbs, no? I think the main verb is "rather," standing in idiomatically for "prefer," although there's no verb "to rather," obviously. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Current Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Does anybody have the current dome numbers? I am curious as to > whether there is a claim for the Hurricane numbers being so few > this year. They did make that claim in one of the updates (I saw it on the TMFriends group). > Also Ernesto and John haven't seemed to cause much, if any, > damage. In fact, they seem to be bringing much needed rains > to some areas. Ernesto was working up to hurricane strength again last I heard. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Peter wrote: > > >--- Alex Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > > > > > >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>This 1980s three-minute commercial for Isuzu, > >>> > >>> > >>according > >> > >> > >>>to PC World's Steve Bass, was made without special > >>>effects or CGI. > >>> > >>>YouTube: > >>>http://tinyurl.com/zlx7z > >>> > >>> > >>Nice driving! Too bad the cars were so fugly. > >> > >>There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: > >> > >>http://tinyurl.com/leh5z > >> > >>I remember reading an article about that commercial > >>when it first came > >>out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take > >>after take after > >>take, for hours on end, and finally it worked > >>perfectly, and the crew > >>was stunned when it finally worked. > >> > >> > > > >Having worked in TV production for many years in my > >first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be > >left to chance and shot over and over again until it > >came out right. It would cost way too much because of > >the time involved. A producer would say ,"NO WAY" to > >the expense. I believe the production story is just a > >fun, false story. > > > > > And with today's DVDs the setups and rehearsals for many stunts like > these are shown in the extras including how the cars are often modified. > That wasn't a stunt. It was a sure bet for CGI except the firm that did it conned the producers into footing the bill for live-action. IMHO of course. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Current Dome Numbers
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Current Dome Numbers on 8/31/06 4:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Does anybody have the current dome numbers? I am curious as to whether there > is a claim for the Hurricane numbers being so few this year. Also Ernesto and > John haven't seemed to cause much, if any, damage. In fact, they seem to be > bringing much needed rains to some areas. > Winds in the areas where hurricanes germinate have been about 5 mph faster than normal this year, which cools the water, thus weakening the storms. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Current Dome Numbers
Does anybody have the current dome numbers? I am curious as to whether there is a claim for the Hurricane numbers being so few this year. Also Ernesto and John haven't seemed to cause much, if any, damage. In fact, they seem to be bringing much needed rains to some areas. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > >> Was this guy originally a Maharishi pundit? > > Yes. > > Forward: > ...our new full-time temple priest, Pundit Sarathi. This > marks a great milestone in Sri Devi Mandir's growth and we hope you > will join us in welcoming them both to town and come to the temple > for the following programs to celebrate the 9 Days of Ganesh. Sooo... Who is doing his cooking? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > > More like, "I'd rather you were dead." > > > > > > > > > > Is that a full sentence? > > > > > > > > The part in quotes is. > > > > > > Were is the verb? > > > > > > > That's an interesting expression in English. "Rather" seems > > to act like a verb. I think it's an ellipsis, or stuff. > > I'd say from the English point of view it's perfectly > > grammatical. > > > > This from Webster's: :) > > > > 7. had or would rather, to prefer that or to: I had much rather we > > not stay. We would rather go for dinner after the show. > > > > On second thought, I might be all wrong. I've always thought > there's an ellipsis of the predicate verb, but it might > not be the case after all. Beats me! > The apostrphe-d is the verb. Stands for "would" or "had" in informal English. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
Peter wrote: >--- Alex Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > > >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>This 1980s three-minute commercial for Isuzu, >>> >>> >>according >> >> >>>to PC World's Steve Bass, was made without special >>>effects or CGI. >>> >>>YouTube: >>>http://tinyurl.com/zlx7z >>> >>> >>Nice driving! Too bad the cars were so fugly. >> >>There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: >> >>http://tinyurl.com/leh5z >> >>I remember reading an article about that commercial >>when it first came >>out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take >>after take after >>take, for hours on end, and finally it worked >>perfectly, and the crew >>was stunned when it finally worked. >> >> > >Having worked in TV production for many years in my >first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be >left to chance and shot over and over again until it >came out right. It would cost way too much because of >the time involved. A producer would say ,"NO WAY" to >the expense. I believe the production story is just a >fun, false story. > > And with today's DVDs the setups and rehearsals for many stunts like these are shown in the extras including how the cars are often modified. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
Paul Mason wrote: >Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few >words about when and how to meditate. >Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 > >"At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but at >night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of japa >of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa muurti' >(desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout >meditation) quick advancement occurs. > >In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the mantra, >and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the >ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on the >foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of compassion >of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The vision >of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not envisage >the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen the >vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the ishhTa in >the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra. From >this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the mind >gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end will stay >in this condition. On the strength of this you should go across the >ocean of samsaara." >['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 48 of 108] > >More: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm > It's important to remember that India being close to the equator does not have the varying sunrise and sunset times nor Daylight Saving Time that more northerly countries have. Hence many gurus will modify the meditation after sunset to meditating in a dark room. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > More like, "I'd rather you were dead." > > > > > > Is that a full sentence? > > > > The part in quotes is. > > Were is the verb? "Would rather" acts as a verb, meaning "prefer"; "I would rather" is an idiom meaning "I would prefer it if..." Sorry, didn't mean to spring another idiom on you! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati on meditation
Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati on meditation
Translation of Guru Dev's satsang on how & when to meditate, at:-
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation
48
raatri meM sone se pahale kuchha japa aura dhyaana
avashya kareM
*
praataHkaala aura dina meM jo puujana , japa , dhyaana , aadi karate
ho so to Thiika hii hai , kintu raatri meM sone se pahale 10 - 15
minaTa apane ishhTa maMtra kaa japa aura ishhTa muurti kaa dhyaana
avashya karanaa chaahiye . isase upaasanaa meM jaldii unnati hotii
hai .
a.Ndhere meM aa.Nkha banda karake baiTha jaanaa chaahiye aura maMtra
kaa japa tathaa netra baMdakara mana se apane ishhTa kaa dhyaana
karanaa chaahiye . unake sampuurNa shariira para nahiiM , charaNa meM
yaa mastaka para ( mukha - maMDala para ) dekhanaa chaahiye ki
hamaare ishhTadeva hamaarii aura karuNaa bharii , dayaabharii
dR^ishhTi se dekha rahe haiM . ishhTa kii dR^ishhTi hii apane kaama
kii hotii hai . apane ishhTa ko aaMkha banda ki{}e hu{}e nahiiM
dekhanaa chaahiye . isa prakaara apanii ora dayaabharii dR^ishhTi se
dekhate hu{}e ishhTa kaa hadaya meM dhyaana karate hu{}e ishhTa
maMtra kaa japa karate rahanaa chaahiye . isase ishhTa ke prati
dR^i.Dhataa ba.Dhegii aura yadi mana ne dR^i.Dhataa ke saatha ishhTa
ko paka.Da liyaa to anta meM yahii nishhThaakaama aayegii . isii ke
bala para saMsaara - saagara se paara ho jaa{}oge .
x x x
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
On Aug 31, 2006, at 12:29 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: >>> "Fuck off and die" is not really a threat, Michael >>> It's a common form of dismissal, along the lines >>> of, "Go forth and multiply elsewhere, somewhere >>> they actually take people like you seriously." >>> Gosh, and here I've been avoiding this thread because on account of the title, I figured it would be some boring, bland "spiritual" discussion. :) Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Was this guy originally a Maharishi pundit? Yes. Forward: ...our new full-time temple priest, Pundit Sarathi. This marks a great milestone in Sri Devi Mandir's growth and we hope you will join us in welcoming them both to town and come to the temple for the following programs to celebrate the 9 Days of Ganesh. Thursday, August 31 10 amRudra Abhishekam 7 pm Lord Ganesh Abhiskekam Ganesh Puja Friday, September 1 10 am Rudra Abhishekam 7 pm Mother Divine Puja Lalita Sahasranama Chanting Saturday, September 2 9:30 am Rudra Abhishekam 9 Planet Homa Ganesh Homa - for prosperity and removing obstacles 7 pm Vishnu Sahasranama Chanting Bhajans and Arati Sunday, September 3 9:30 am Rudra Abhishekam Lord Sun Yagnya with sun salutations - good for health Monday, September 4 10 am Rudra Abhishekam 7 pm Shiva Puja Meditation/bhajans/arati Tuesday, September 5 Beginning Tuesday, we will be having regular hours at the temple. Email to follow with schedule. We look forward to seeing you there. All Events are Free and Open to the Public Optional Formal Sponsorship Available Please bring fruit and flowers Sri Devi Mandir 800 West Burlington 469-6041 or 888-835-7788 > on 8/31/06 11:12 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: > One (1) Pundit has arrived! > By a private effort, one `Maharishi' pundit did get a visa to come >to > and live in America and is in FF now. Just arrived and taking up > residence in FF. > > No part of the TMorg millions ($) raised were allotted to this. The > pundit is chanting and performing peace & coherence-making rites now at > the FF Devi Mandir Temple on W. Burlington Street. A culmination of > some brilliant work on the part private efforts to actually bring > pundits here. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > More like, "I'd rather you were dead." > > > > > > > > Is that a full sentence? > > > > > > The part in quotes is. > > > > Were is the verb? > > > > That's an interesting expression in English. "Rather" seems > to act like a verb. I think it's an ellipsis, or stuff. > I'd say from the English point of view it's perfectly > grammatical. > > This from Webster's: :) > > 7. had or would rather, to prefer that or to: I had much rather we > not stay. We would rather go for dinner after the show. > Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
Original Hindi text of satsang 48 of 108 in Itrans format:-
praataHkaala aura dina meM jo puujana , japa , dhyaana , aadi karate
ho so to Thiika hii hai , kintu raatri meM sone se pahale 10 - 15
minaTa apane ishhTa maMtra kaa japa aura ishhTa muurti kaa dhyaana
avashya karanaa chaahiye . isase upaasanaa meM jaldii unnati hotii
hai .
a.Ndhere meM aa.Nkha banda karake baiTha jaanaa chaahiye aura maMtra
kaa japa tathaa netra baMdakara mana se apane ishhTa kaa dhyaana
karanaa chaahiye . unake sampuurNa shariira para nahiiM , charaNa meM
yaa mastaka para ( mukha - maMDala para ) dekhanaa chaahiye ki
hamaare ishhTadeva hamaarii aura karuNaa bharii , dayaabharii
dR^ishhTi se dekha rahe haiM . ishhTa kii dR^ishhTi hii apane kaama
kii hotii hai . apane ishhTa ko aaMkha banda ki{}e hu{}e nahiiM
dekhanaa chaahiye . isa prakaara apanii ora dayaabharii dR^ishhTi se
dekhate hu{}e ishhTa kaa hadaya meM dhyaana karate hu{}e ishhTa
maMtra kaa japa karate rahanaa chaahiye . isase ishhTa ke prati
dR^i.Dhataa ba.Dhegii aura yadi mana ne dR^i.Dhataa ke saatha ishhTa
ko paka.Da liyaa to anta meM yahii nishhThaakaama aayegii . isii ke
bala para saMsaara - saagara se paara ho jaa{}oge .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Revised copy of this satsang at:
> http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
> wrote:
> >
> > Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few
> > words about when and how to meditate.
> > Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006
> >
> > "At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but
> at
> > night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of
japa
> > of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa
> muurti'
> > (desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout
> > meditation) quick advancement occurs.
> >
> > In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the
> mantra,
> > and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the
> > ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on
> the
> > foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of
> compassion
> > of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The
> vision
> > of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not
> envisage
> > the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen
the
> > vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the ishhTa
> in
> > the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra.
>From
> > this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the
mind
> > gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end will
> stay
> > in this condition. On the strength of this you should go across
the
> > ocean of samsaara."
> > ['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 48 of 108]
> >
> > More: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm
> >
>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
Revised copy of this satsang at: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few > words about when and how to meditate. > Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 > > "At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but at > night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of japa > of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa muurti' > (desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout > meditation) quick advancement occurs. > > In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the mantra, > and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the > ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on the > foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of compassion > of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The vision > of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not envisage > the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen the > vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the ishhTa in > the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra. From > this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the mind > gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end will stay > in this condition. On the strength of this you should go across the > ocean of samsaara." > ['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 48 of 108] > > More: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And while this isn't the best example of realistic animation available, it's > the best example > of "rube goldberg" I've ever seen: > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5503582578132361295&q=-+animation > The whole series of animations is outstanding: http://www.animusic.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > More like, "I'd rather you were dead." > > > > > > > > Is that a full sentence? > > > > > > The part in quotes is. > > > > Were is the verb? > > > > That's an interesting expression in English. "Rather" seems > to act like a verb. I think it's an ellipsis, or stuff. > I'd say from the English point of view it's perfectly > grammatical. > > This from Webster's: :) > > 7. had or would rather, to prefer that or to: I had much rather we > not stay. We would rather go for dinner after the show. > On second thought, I might be all wrong. I've always thought there's an ellipsis of the predicate verb, but it might not be the case after all. Beats me! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > More like, "I'd rather you were dead." > > > > > > Is that a full sentence? > > > > The part in quotes is. > > Were is the verb? > That's an interesting expression in English. "Rather" seems to act like a verb. I think it's an ellipsis, or stuff. I'd say from the English point of view it's perfectly grammatical. This from Webster's: :) 7. had or would rather, to prefer that or to: I had much rather we not stay. We would rather go for dinner after the show. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2 on 8/31/06 4:24 AM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > After all, didn't SCI teach everyone > that, to be fulfilled, a man must display more > creative intelligence every day, and that one > of the fundamentals of progress is growth? > (Bonus question: Who can name the other > four fundamentals?) Stability, adaptability, integration, purification > > Imagine a school striving for research and teaching > excellence, incorporating as many good ideas from > MIU/MUM as possible but encouraging debate, inquiry, > and free thinking. Meditator or not, anyone could > attend, and those who did practice spiritual programs > could come from any background. Perhaps, many > of the best profs from MIU/MUM who have been > dismissed over the years would be interested in > returning to teach and conduct research in MIU2. > Great idea and great post. I’ve often felt that one possible scenario after MMY dies is that liberal forces within the TMO will prevail and MUM will become such a university. Wishful thinking, probably. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > wrote: > > > > > Having worked in TV production for many years in my > > > > first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be > > > > left to chance and shot over and over again until it > > > > came out right. It would cost way too much because of > > > > the time involved. A producer would say ,"NO WAY" to > > > > the expense. I believe the production story is just a > > > > fun, false story. > > > > > > Bzzt. Nice try, but no cigar: > > > > > > http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/hondacog.asp > > > > I stand corrected. It could have been done for much > > cheaper using CGI, I suspect. > > Of course it could have. But it would have looked > like CGI. > Of course it would and CGI can look quite real: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?threadid=399499 http://206.145.80.239/zbc/showthread.php?t=036953 http://206.145.80.239/zbc/showthread.php?t=029458 And while this isn't the best example of realistic animation available, it's the best example of "rube goldberg" I've ever seen: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5503582578132361295&q=-+animation To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few words about when and how to meditate. Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 "At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but at night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of japa of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa muurti' (desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout meditation) quick advancement occurs. In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the mantra, and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on the foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of compassion of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The vision of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not envisage the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen the vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the ishhTa in the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra. From this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the mind gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end will stay in this condition. On the strength of this you should go across the ocean of samsaara." ['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 48 of 108] More: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Masters and mistakes
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 > > wrote: > > > > > > > To paraphrase someone I respect a lot in a > discussion > about "guru > > > > infallibility"--some people say Maharishi > doesn't make > mistakes. > > > > Nonesense. If you you are in the relative > there are mistakes. > He makes > > > > a master's mistakes, that's all. > > > > > > > > With all the implications arising from that! > > > > > > Well put! > > > > > > > When MMY talks about making "no mistakes," he's > talking about > doing things that slow > > your evolution towards enlightenment. Once you > reach CC you make > no more mistakes. > > That doesn't mean the person in CC can't miss the > baseball when > he/she swings at it. > > > > Also, as you progress beyond CC, your influence > and perception of > Self starts to expand > > and "make no mistakes" takes on a broader and > broader > significance, but STILL in the > > context of evolution towards enlightenment... > > > > ...and you STILL might miss that baseball, even in > UC. > > > About making mistakes, Like Peter asks, 'what's a > mistake?'. > > The reason Maharishi has said that enlightened souls > don't make > mistakes, is that from the perspective of an > enlightened person, > there are no mistakes. There is only the eternal > ever changing > relative existence, supported by Reality, of which > we as enlightened > individuals gracefully are. > > From the perspective of unenlightened individuals, > mistakes are > abundant, by definition, and so even if they are > looking at an > enlightened person, they will see mistakes. > > So when Maharishi says the enlightened don't make > mistakes, he is > simply clarifying the definition of enlightenment, > the Reality of > enlightenment, and not as many have supposed, > justifying his actions > to the unenlightened. I think you can see it as part of the "useful fiction" MMY created in developing a waking state model of Realization. We make lots of mistakes in waking state. And I think, in waking state, a mistake is an action that produces a result that we don't like. So we say, "I made a mistake." It is interesting to note that all mistakes are retrospective. They arise from counter-factual thinking: "I did that, but I should have done this." Although the option of "this" only arises after having done "that." And when we did "that" it was not a mistake because there was no "this" as a behavioral option. "This" arises only after the result of the action is experienced. "This" is a fantasy of what we should have done when "that" doesn't work out to our liking. It can tie the mind up in knots. > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > More like, "I'd rather you were dead." > > > > Is that a full sentence? > > The part in quotes is. Were is the verb? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > > > > > --- Alex Stanley > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > This 1980s three-minute commercial for Isuzu, > > > according > > > > to PC World's Steve Bass, was made without special > > > > effects or CGI. > > > > > > > > YouTube: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/zlx7z > > > > > > Nice driving! Too bad the cars were so fugly. > > > > > > There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/leh5z > > > > > > I remember reading an article about that commercial > > > when it first came > > > out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take > > > after take after > > > take, for hours on end, and finally it worked > > > perfectly, and the crew > > > was stunned when it finally worked. > > > > Having worked in TV production for many years in my > > first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be > > left to chance and shot over and over again until it > > came out right. It would cost way too much because of > > the time involved. A producer would say ,"NO WAY" to > > the expense. I believe the production story is just a > > fun, false story. > > > > Ubelieveable that anyone would think this wasn't CGI. Do people think that > Gollem in Lord > of the Rings was some kind of body suit? > > Jeeze. > > Here's how it was done: someone took Maya or some other professional level > animation > package and drew 3D images of all the parts. Then they created some kind of > 3D physics > engine, probably tweaked to make it look better than Maya's own built-in > Physics > simulator, and ran the simulation til it looked right, rendered it, used > various after- > rendering applications to make sure it looked as good as it possibly could, > added sound > effects, and that's it. > > Here's a very baby version of the same thing done using the level editor for > AFterlife, > including the game's own sound effects: > > http://tinyurl.com/pv928 > > Here's another one without sound effects: > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4049365580674350429 > > > Remember: the above were done using FREE level editors for a silly $50 game. > The > commercial was done using a $7,000 software package that used to cost $60,000. > Blush. Though I still think the producers were ripped off. It would have cost less to do teh CGI version and would have looked just as good: http://www.theembassyvfx.com/main.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You have successfully demonstrated that there > *are* other people in the universe who can > hold a grudge as long as Judy Stein does. No, I'm not really holding a grudge up. This just came up, because Paul felt threatened by Frank. As inappropriate Franks behavour was,it wasn't a threat either. > The "not too long ago" in your mind when you > wrote about the horrible, terrible "Fuck off > and die" threat hurled at you was back in > APRIL, dude. We have not exchanged words > since then, if I am not mistaken. Because I had left the forum basically. > I'm trying to decide whether this routine > is what Germans do to disprove the recently- > voiced opinions here that they take them- > selves WAY too seriously, or whether it's > some technique that Mother Meera's students > use to demonstrate how effective her programs > are at resolving attachment. Either way, I > don't think it's working. :-) And it won't work teasing me with the epitet 'Germans'. Were have you been? Since the world cup, which was not too long ago, we got rid of this reputation. We Germans are nice multicultural, welcoming folks, who hold up their flags because they are so colorful. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You have successfully demonstrated that there > *are* other people in the universe who can > hold a grudge as long as Judy Stein does. Just for the record, let's recall that Barry was dumping on me enthusiastically *even before I arrived here*. Like so many others of Barry's attacks, his "hold a grudge" mantra is the purest rojection. Thing is, once Barry's decided to hold a grudge against you, there's no need for you to hold a grudge against him, because he'll keep the ill will nice and fresh, attacking you obsessively even for such things as saying you're going to postpone listening to a Vedic chant until bedtime. And if he's really run out of things to attack you for, why, he'll just make some up, like fantasizing you might say something and then attacking you for it as if you *had* said it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > More like, "I'd rather you were dead." > > Is that a full sentence? The part in quotes is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > Having worked in TV production for many years in my > > > first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be > > > left to chance and shot over and over again until it > > > came out right. It would cost way too much because of > > > the time involved. A producer would say ,"NO WAY" to > > > the expense. I believe the production story is just a > > > fun, false story. > > > > Bzzt. Nice try, but no cigar: > > > > http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/hondacog.asp > > I stand corrected. It could have been done for much > cheaper using CGI, I suspect. Of course it could have. But it would have looked like CGI. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > What was actually said (and I know because I > > said it) was, "Fuck off and die." "Off," dude, > > not "you." > > You are right, that is what you must have said. > > > There's a difference. > > I can't tell, I couldn't know, I wouldn't know, I am german, how > many > American idioms am I suppossed to know. No,it wasn't a threat in the > sense that I expected you to come over here and help. But I did > think > die means die, that is 'dead to me', that is sort of: 'If you were > dead it doesn't make any difference.' And that's not nice, even for > somebody you don't like > > > "Fuck off and die" is not really a threat, Michael > > It's a common form of dismissal, along the lines > > of, "Go forth and multiply elsewhere, somewhere > > they actually take people like you seriously." > > > > :-) :-) :-) > > > > Michael, if you had misquoted something that > > the aforementioned "expert" had said this > > egregiously, you *know* how she would have > > reacted. She would have questioned your motives, > > accused you of having an anti-somethingorother > > agenda, and called you a LIAR twelve ways to > > Sunday. > > > > I'll merely suggest 1) that English is not your > > native language, and 2) that you tend to over- > > react and get a little hysterical and show your > > girlyman side when someone doesn't take you > > seriously. > > Take the first point. You have to understand the language in order > to know how to react. Why the hell do you throw idioms at a person > you know he can't know? Congratulations! You have successfully demonstrated that there *are* other people in the universe who can hold a grudge as long as Judy Stein does. The "not too long ago" in your mind when you wrote about the horrible, terrible "Fuck off and die" threat hurled at you was back in APRIL, dude. We have not exchanged words since then, if I am not mistaken. I'm trying to decide whether this routine is what Germans do to disprove the recently- voiced opinions here that they take them- selves WAY too seriously, or whether it's some technique that Mother Meera's students use to demonstrate how effective her programs are at resolving attachment. Either way, I don't think it's working. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One (1) Pundit has arrived! > > By a private effort, one `Maharishi' pundit did get a visa to come to > and live in America and is in FF now. Just arrived and taking up > residence in FF. > > No part of the TMorg millions ($) raised were allotted to this. The > pundit is chanting and performing peace & coherence-making rites now at > the FF Devi Mandir Temple on W. Burlington Street. A culmination of > some brilliant work on the part private efforts to actually bring > pundits here. > > With Best Regards, > -Doug in FF > Who cooks for him? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > More like, "I'd rather you were dead." Is that a full sentence? > But still not a threat. > > > And that's not nice, even for somebody you don't like > > It's *very* hostile. Well, lets forget about it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" > > wrote: > > > > > > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. > > > . . . > > > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, > > > therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. > > > > A wise precaution. I've been doing research for > > a story idea about religious fanatics who are > > willing to commit serious crimes (including > > murder) to "protect" their fanatical ideas of > > what is "true" and what is not. The more you > > read about the real things that these kinds > > of real people do in the name of God and > > religion, the scarier it gets and the more > > precautions you feel like taking in your life > > if you are perceived by one or more of them > > as a "heretic." > > > > Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism > > didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/ > > Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world > > there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- > > of murders performed in the name of God. It really > > lends credence to the idea that religion is a > > disease, and that what the world needs is not > > more religion, but an antidote to it. > > > > I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or excuse > for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered > through the ages because of it. > > However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and > suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of communism) > than ever died in the name of religion. > Really? As a percentage of people alive at the time, or are you using raw numbers? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 wrote: > > > > Since I seem to be in a two cents mood for a few days > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > < big snip > > > > Obviously GD was a very powerfull > > > yogi, full with the radiance of decades of tapasya, but also with very > > > outdated and oldfashioned ideas. > > > > Yes. There are some interesting points being made in this discussion. > > > > One of my big heresies within the TMO was to suggest that being > > enlightened (yes, working on the assumption that MMY is enlightened) > > does not free one from all historic, cultural, and ideological > > boundarie s. It's easy for people to look at an old-fashioned idea > > that Guru Dev may have had and reject it because it doesn't fit with > > modern thinking. > > Well, you don't have to be *that* modern to reject his ideas in this > regard as oldfashioned. Around that time, the turn of last century, > there was lot of discussion about renovating Hinduism, and there was > considerable scepticism as to what the original Veda actually meant. > Just think of the reformist Hindu movements like Brahmo Samaj or Arya > Samaj. For example Ganapati Muni strived for equality of women and men > with regard to vedic studies. He was of the opinion, that caste was > not determined by birth, but by the distribution of sattva, rajas and > tamas in an individual. MMY says it's determined by the Jyotish chart, which allegedly is the same thing. > > > Within the TMO there is a disinclination to consider that MMY's word > > and actions are also influenced by culture and thus that everything he > > says is not "the absolute speaking absolutely" (rather, no more than > > it is when you or I or they themselves speak), that women in saris is > > just fashion and culture instead of a law of nature, that condemnation > > of english and modern education and a strong campaign to repatriate > > the wealth "stolen" by the west back to India might be an just > > ideological quest, and that worshipping "laws of nature" in the form > > of Lakshmi and Ganesh might just be Hinduism and not neutral science. > > > > Just as it is not a condemnation of Guru Dev to recognize the cultural > > milieu in which he operated, nor is it a condemnation to recognize the > > same about any other spiritual teacher whether it's Meister Eckhardt, > > St. Teresa of Avilla, Walt Whitman, the woman next door, or MMY. > > I agree with all of your points. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > --- Alex Stanley > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > This 1980s three-minute commercial for Isuzu, > > > > according to PC World's Steve Bass, was made > > > > without special effects or CGI. > > > > > > > > YouTube: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/zlx7z > > The truly amazing part of this commercial is that > there are no stunt drivers. This is just what every- > day traffic is like in Paris. :-) > > > > Nice driving! Too bad the cars were so fugly. > > > > > > There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/leh5z > > > > > > I remember reading an article about that commercial > > > when it first came > > > out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take > > > after take after > > > take, for hours on end, and finally it worked > > > perfectly, and the crew > > > was stunned when it finally worked. > > > > Having worked in TV production for many years in my > > first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be > > left to chance and shot over and over again until it > > came out right. It would cost way too much because of > > the time involved. A producer would say ,"NO WAY" to > > the expense. I believe the production story is just a > > fun, false story. > > Bzzt. Nice try, but no cigar: > > http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/hondacog.asp > I stand corrected. It could have been done for much cheaper using CGI, I suspect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > What was actually said (and I know because I > > said it) was, "Fuck off and die." "Off," dude, > > not "you." > > You are right, that is what you must have said. > > > There's a difference. > > I can't tell, I couldn't know, I wouldn't know, Very little difference, actually, between "Fuck you" and "Fuck off." I am german, how many > American idioms am I suppossed to know. No,it wasn't a threat in the > sense that I expected you to come over here and help. But I did > think die means die, that is 'dead to me', that is sort of: 'If you > were dead it doesn't make any difference.' More like, "I'd rather you were dead." But still not a threat. > And that's not nice, even for somebody you don't like It's *very* hostile. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" > > wrote: > > > > > If you were an academic like Amit Goswami, > > > author of The Self-Aware Universe, which of > > > the two campuses in Fairfield would you be > > > drawn to visit or possibly join? > > > > Tangentially, do you know whether there has > > ever been any contact between Goswami and > > the TM folks? > > > > I didn't understand a lot of what MMY said > > about Self-reference and related topics until > > after I'd read "Self-Aware Universe." I know > > he didn't get it from MMY, but I'm just curious > > as to whether there has been any interaction > > since he wrote the book. (Goswami seems to > > have become something of a guru in his own > > right.) > > So, you think that John Hagelin's "Is Consciousness > the Unified Field?" is a lesser work that Gowswami's? Where did I say anything about its being a "lesser work"? > > Sheesh... > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Alex Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > This 1980s three-minute commercial for Isuzu, > > according > > > to PC World's Steve Bass, was made without special > > > effects or CGI. > > > > > > YouTube: > > > http://tinyurl.com/zlx7z > > > > Nice driving! Too bad the cars were so fugly. > > > > There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/leh5z > > > > I remember reading an article about that commercial > > when it first came > > out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take > > after take after > > take, for hours on end, and finally it worked > > perfectly, and the crew > > was stunned when it finally worked. > > Having worked in TV production for many years in my > first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be > left to chance and shot over and over again until it > came out right. It would cost way too much because of > the time involved. A producer would say ,"NO WAY" to > the expense. I believe the production story is just a > fun, false story. > Ubelieveable that anyone would think this wasn't CGI. Do people think that Gollem in Lord of the Rings was some kind of body suit? Jeeze. Here's how it was done: someone took Maya or some other professional level animation package and drew 3D images of all the parts. Then they created some kind of 3D physics engine, probably tweaked to make it look better than Maya's own built-in Physics simulator, and ran the simulation til it looked right, rendered it, used various after- rendering applications to make sure it looked as good as it possibly could, added sound effects, and that's it. Here's a very baby version of the same thing done using the level editor for AFterlife, including the game's own sound effects: http://tinyurl.com/pv928 Here's another one without sound effects: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4049365580674350429 Remember: the above were done using FREE level editors for a silly $50 game. The commercial was done using a $7,000 software package that used to cost $60,000. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Masters and mistakes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 wrote: > > > > > To paraphrase someone I respect a lot in a discussion about "guru > > > infallibility"--some people say Maharishi doesn't make mistakes. > > > Nonesense. If you you are in the relative there are mistakes. He makes > > > a master's mistakes, that's all. > > > > > > With all the implications arising from that! > > > > Well put! > > > > When MMY talks about making "no mistakes," he's talking about doing things that slow > your evolution towards enlightenment. Once you reach CC you make no more mistakes. > That doesn't mean the person in CC can't miss the baseball when he/she swings at it. > > Also, as you progress beyond CC, your influence and perception of Self starts to expand > and "make no mistakes" takes on a broader and broader significance, but STILL in the > context of evolution towards enlightenment... > > ...and you STILL might miss that baseball, even in UC. > About making mistakes, Like Peter asks, 'what's a mistake?'. The reason Maharishi has said that enlightened souls don't make mistakes, is that from the perspective of an enlightened person, there are no mistakes. There is only the eternal ever changing relative existence, supported by Reality, of which we as enlightened individuals gracefully are. >From the perspective of unenlightened individuals, mistakes are abundant, by definition, and so even if they are looking at an enlightened person, they will see mistakes. So when Maharishi says the enlightened don't make mistakes, he is simply clarifying the definition of enlightenment, the Reality of enlightenment, and not as many have supposed, justifying his actions to the unenlightened. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] (1) Pundit has arrived in FF ! on 8/31/06 11:12 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > One (1) Pundit has arrived! > > By a private effort, one `Maharishi' pundit did get a visa to come to > and live in America and is in FF now. Just arrived and taking up > residence in FF. > > No part of the TMorg millions ($) raised were allotted to this. The > pundit is chanting and performing peace & coherence-making rites now at > the FF Devi Mandir Temple on W. Burlington Street. A culmination of > some brilliant work on the part private efforts to actually bring > pundits here. Was this guy originally a Maharishi pundit? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What was actually said (and I know because I > said it) was, "Fuck off and die." "Off," dude, > not "you." You are right, that is what you must have said. > There's a difference. I can't tell, I couldn't know, I wouldn't know, I am german, how many American idioms am I suppossed to know. No,it wasn't a threat in the sense that I expected you to come over here and help. But I did think die means die, that is 'dead to me', that is sort of: 'If you were dead it doesn't make any difference.' And that's not nice, even for somebody you don't like > "Fuck off and die" is not really a threat, Michael > It's a common form of dismissal, along the lines > of, "Go forth and multiply elsewhere, somewhere > they actually take people like you seriously." > > :-) :-) :-) > > Michael, if you had misquoted something that > the aforementioned "expert" had said this > egregiously, you *know* how she would have > reacted. She would have questioned your motives, > accused you of having an anti-somethingorother > agenda, and called you a LIAR twelve ways to > Sunday. > > I'll merely suggest 1) that English is not your > native language, and 2) that you tend to over- > react and get a little hysterical and show your > girlyman side when someone doesn't take you > seriously. Take the first point. You have to understand the language in order to know how to react. Why the hell do you throw idioms at a person you know he can't know? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" > wrote: > > > If you were an academic like Amit Goswami, > > author of The Self-Aware Universe, which of > > the two campuses in Fairfield would you be > > drawn to visit or possibly join? > > Tangentially, do you know whether there has > ever been any contact between Goswami and > the TM folks? > > I didn't understand a lot of what MMY said > about Self-reference and related topics until > after I'd read "Self-Aware Universe." I know > he didn't get it from MMY, but I'm just curious > as to whether there has been any interaction > since he wrote the book. (Goswami seems to > have become something of a guru in his own > right.) > So, you think that John Hagelin's "Is Consciousness the Unified Field?" is a lesser work that Gowswami's? Sheesh... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Of interest
On Aug 31, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> On Aug 31, 2006, at 10:37 AM, hugheshugo wrote: >> >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1860872,00.html >>> >> >> JOOC, how long is everybody planning on playing Dueling URLs? Seems >> like every other message in the last few days has been just a link to >> something else. > > http://until-the-supply-of-URLs-is-exhausted.com http://now-that-was-funny.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Masters and mistakes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 wrote: > > > To paraphrase someone I respect a lot in a discussion about "guru > > infallibility"--some people say Maharishi doesn't make mistakes. > > Nonesense. If you you are in the relative there are mistakes. He makes > > a master's mistakes, that's all. > > > > With all the implications arising from that! > > Well put! > When MMY talks about making "no mistakes," he's talking about doing things that slow your evolution towards enlightenment. Once you reach CC you make no more mistakes. That doesn't mean the person in CC can't miss the baseball when he/she swings at it. Also, as you progress beyond CC, your influence and perception of Self starts to expand and "make no mistakes" takes on a broader and broader significance, but STILL in the context of evolution towards enlightenment... ...and you STILL might miss that baseball, even in UC. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > I myself was threatened here not too long ago by one of our more > > outspoken members here with the words: 'Fuck you and die' and I am > > still very much alive ;-) > > Since I can be pretty certain that our resident > No-that's-not-what-was-said-this-is-what-was- > really-what-was-said expert is not likely to > come running in to correct this particular > piece of misinformation :-), I will. > > What was actually said (and I know because I > said it) was, "Fuck off and die." "Off," dude, > not "you." There's a difference. > > "Fuck off and die" is not really a threat, Michael > It's a common form of dismissal, along the lines > of, "Go forth and multiply elsewhere, somewhere > they actually take people like you seriously." > > :-) :-) :-) > > Michael, if you had misquoted something that > the aforementioned "expert" had said this > egregiously, you *know* how she would have > reacted. She would have questioned your motives, > accused you of having an anti-somethingorother > agenda, and called you a LIAR twelve ways to > Sunday. Barry, take your medication, please. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sattyanand and Devendra
In a message dated 8/30/06 1:57:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I heard or read a rumor (perhaps on this forum?) that Nankishore joined SSRS...any truth to that? Now That is one hell of a rumor! If it's true, I think that pretty much settles the direction the TM movement will go when M passes. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Of interest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > On Aug 31, 2006, at 10:37 AM, hugheshugo wrote: > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1860872,00.html > > > > > > > JOOC, how long is everybody planning on playing Dueling URLs? > > Seems like every other message in the last few days has been > > just a link to something else. > > http://until-the-supply-of-URLs-is-exhausted.com http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Of interest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 31, 2006, at 10:37 AM, hugheshugo wrote: > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1860872,00.html > > > > JOOC, how long is everybody planning on playing Dueling URLs? Seems > like every other message in the last few days has been just a link to > something else. http://until-the-supply-of-URLs-is-exhausted.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" > wrote: > > > > I obtained a copy of these satsangs more than thirty years ago, > > and > > have not posted quotations of Guru Dev speaking on this subject. > > However, Frank Lotz seemed to be parading his devotion to his > > 'Guru- > > jie' so I responded by doing a little Hindi translation work. > > So, you can thank Frank. > > Thanks Frank. > I know Frank from past TM years, and if that helps you, can assure > you, that he won't harm you, or send you a letter bomb. He easily > gets > heated, always was so. He has done fist fights when provoked, so it > may not be a good idea to stand in front of his house and ring the > bell, and say 'Fuck Maha..'. ;-) > I myself was threatened here not too long ago by one of our more > outspoken members here with the words: 'Fuck you and die' and I am > still very much alive ;-) Since I can be pretty certain that our resident No-that's-not-what-was-said-this-is-what-was- really-what-was-said expert is not likely to come running in to correct this particular piece of misinformation :-), I will. What was actually said (and I know because I said it) was, "Fuck off and die." "Off," dude, not "you." There's a difference. "Fuck off and die" is not really a threat, Michael It's a common form of dismissal, along the lines of, "Go forth and multiply elsewhere, somewhere they actually take people like you seriously." :-) :-) :-) Michael, if you had misquoted something that the aforementioned "expert" had said this egregiously, you *know* how she would have reacted. She would have questioned your motives, accused you of having an anti-somethingorother agenda, and called you a LIAR twelve ways to Sunday. I'll merely suggest 1) that English is not your native language, and 2) that you tend to over- react and get a little hysterical and show your girlyman side when someone doesn't take you seriously. As for the phrase itself, I hate to be the one to have to break it to you, dude, but you really *are* going to die. All of us are, someday. So another way of looking at someone telling you to "fuck off and die" is as a *positive* sugges- tion -- they're sending you on your way with the wish that you'll get a good roll in the hay in before you croak. :-) :-) :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Of interest
On Aug 31, 2006, at 10:37 AM, hugheshugo wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1860872,00.html > JOOC, how long is everybody planning on playing Dueling URLs? Seems like every other message in the last few days has been just a link to something else. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
One (1) Pundit has arrived! By a private effort, one `Maharishi' pundit did get a visa to come to and live in America and is in FF now. Just arrived and taking up residence in FF. No part of the TMorg millions ($) raised were allotted to this. The pundit is chanting and performing peace & coherence-making rites now at the FF Devi Mandir Temple on W. Burlington Street. A culmination of some brilliant work on the part private efforts to actually bring pundits here. With Best Regards, -Doug in FF To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
For more research material: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Maharishi_Mahesh_Yogi/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" > wrote: > > > > There you go again, doing a second take on my motives. > > I turned down a tour of radio stations in the States > > because of my concern about fanatics. > > I completely understand, Paul. In the time since I > wrote Road Trip Mind, my car has been trashed (set > on fire during the night), a brick wrapped in a > piece of paper that had "Wake up...time to die" > written on it was thrown through my front window, > and numerous attempts were made to get me fired > from my work contracts in the US. As far as I can > tell, all of this was done by a couple of super- > fanatical Rama students who were not happy with > what I wrote about him. > > Go figure. I mean, go fucking figure. From my side, > I thought my book was pretty positive and balanced > in its view of him, but it wasn't the "party line" > so I guess some people got threatened by that. > > So a little inaccessibility is not a bad idea. At > the same time, you don't want to allow these > assholes to silence you. That, after all, is what > they're trying to do. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > 'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!' > > > > > > That's a *threat*?? > > > > > > Come on, Paul. > > > > > > I think you just wanted to hold this doofus > > > up to ridicule. > > > > > > (Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat? > > > Give us a break!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in > > > response > > > > to > > > > > > my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self > > > > worth, > > > > > > and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was > > > > > > incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other > > > than > > > > > > brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just > > > > > > translated it to clear up that point for him). > > > > > > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, > > > > therefore > > > > > > I thought it best to make his rant more public. > > > > > > > > > > You mean, his threat not to give you any more > > > > > knowledge? Seemed pretty explicit to me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are arguing like some silly child from the > > kindergarten. > > > > > > > > I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't > > > > understand, > > > > > > > > or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name > > > it > > > > > > > > speak it out "Frank(ly)! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: > > > > > > > > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo! > > > > > > > > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours > > towards > > > > His > > > > > > > > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva > > > Incarnate, > > > > > not > > > > > > > > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your > > bad > > > > > Karma, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are producing) Yogi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: > > > > > > > > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a > > man > > > > > caste, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which > > shows > > > > to > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > class of people he or she belongs! > > > > > > > > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like > > > > thoughts > > > > > > and > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > not belong to the Golden Age! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my > > > side > > > > > to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the > > > > > > > finishing > > > > > > > > class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into > > > the > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > Class of elementary school. > > > > > > > > I want give you any more "milk", because it is quiet > > > > dangerous > > > > > to > > > > > > > > feed a snake with milk. > > > > > > > > Next time she will bide you .. > > > > > > > > So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the > > > > church, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > today's presidents like your stupid Blair or
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I obtained a copy of these satsangs more than thirty years ago, and > have not posted quotations of Guru Dev speaking on this subject. > However, Frank Lotz seemed to be parading his devotion to his 'Guru- > jie' so I responded by doing a little Hindi translation work. > So, you can thank Frank. Thanks Frank. I know Frank from past TM years, and if that helps you, can assure you, that he won't harm you, or send you a letter bomb. He easily gets heated, always was so. He has done fist fights when provoked, so it may not be a good idea to stand in front of his house and ring the bell, and say 'Fuck Maha..'. ;-) I myself was threatened here not too long ago by one of our more outspoken members here with the words: 'Fuck you and die' and I am still very much alive ;-) And he is not as closed minded as you would think. For example he also visited Mother Meera here, something real TB TMers wouldn't do. And he is a really, really good cook. So thank you also Paul. I just read your story of Kathy 2005 on your web, really amazing. So thanks Paul for all the interesting stuff. But I now also understand why MMY doesn't want to publish all of it. He simply doesn't agree with some of it. People seem to think that aligning ones thinking with the master, like in classical Guru/disciple devotion means that he should copy him, and do exactly the same things he did. I disagree. Simply copying a person in his outward acts or opinions is not a great achievement. Understanding his actions and desires was for MMY a *means* to achieve an inner alignment, which served as a channel for the transmission of the inner *essence*. Once this is achieved, there is no need to copy the master, rather everyone must live his own enlightenment. It is my understanding, that MMY had visions of GD while moving in the south, around 1955, and consequently similar hints at Kanyakumari and Guruvayur, which gave rise to him teaching. While in actual physical body GD never asked MMY to teach, or even would have disallowed him to be a Guru (he obviously allowed him to lecture in his presence, as seen on films), he may have done so in visions. You may believe in it or not, but for MMY that must have been the reason and indication to start teaching. All this 'happened'. MMY for some reason had this disposition, and we, as followers fell for it, and it subsequently changed our lives, more or less. For my part I am glad he did. History is full of great people who broke rules. Does it mean they parted from the tradition at a whole? Did Luther part from Christianity when he broke the rules of Catholicism? I know that all traditions change all the time. Even the current Shankaracharya of Kanchi is accused to break the rules of his former Shankaracharya, who like GD was a great saint, but also very rigid. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Barry writes: clipped > > Every year around the world > > there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- > > of murders performed in the name of God. It really > > lends credence to the idea that religion is a > > disease, and that what the world needs is not > > more religion, but an antidote to it. > > Judy writes: > Religion isn't a disease, it's an excuse. > > Tom T; > Actually it appears to be an addiction. An addiction is > any thought anyone tries to hold as absolutely true. As > in, my god is bigger, better than your god. Or even "god exists" or "god doesn't exist." The pragmatic bottom line seems to be that if you meet someone who claims to know "the truth," run away as fast as you possibly can. Suppress your natural tendency to laugh until you're well out of range. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
Barry writes: clipped Every year around the world > there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- > of murders performed in the name of God. It really > lends credence to the idea that religion is a > disease, and that what the world needs is not > more religion, but an antidote to it. Judy writes: Religion isn't a disease, it's an excuse. Tom T; Actually it appears to be an addiction. An addiction is any thought anyone tries to hold as absolutely true. As in, my god is bigger, better than your god. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Super powers!
Oh Jesus, now Tom Cruise is really going to be annoying! --- hugheshugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Disappointed with poor results from the sidhis? try > this. > > http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/06/Tampabay/Scientology_nearly_re.shtml/ > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future, the 'guidelines'
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > wrote: > > "There are signs lately that this judgmentalism is softening >within > the > university. Of course, > there is no lack of judgments being held in the community south of > the > university, either. > The difference is that the TMO has the capability to enforce some >of > its > judgments, > therefore signs of progress there bode well for all of us." > > LBS, that you have had some "heartfelt" two-way conversation with > them up there, but really what signs are there that have changed? > If they administratively do not 'look the other way', the >guidelines > have not changed. The guidelines themselves have not changed. >That > is not very firm ground to go forward with them on with the > meditating community. > > There has been no real ceasefire on their part. The enduring > problem with them for the meditating community here is > those 'guidelines'. <> Yes I agree with you that FF's best year's >are to come. > It is getting there. > > -Doug in FF Again, Go figure, the guidelines have not changed but pages are not read or ignored for some people at some times. It is in process evidently, probably depending on whether it is John Hagelin's view & his people or Bevan's oft hard-line take on the 'administration' of the guidelines. With the TMorg it is all sub-terrain vie-ing. They evidently just can't come out and say it, what the guidelines are, because the guidelines are so rigid that if they were universally applied few would be left in the domes at all. There is a practicality on the ground in not being clear about it. It is just TMorg administrative theocracy waiting on MMY. -Doug in FF > > > > > > Fairfield's Future > > > > Over the past several years, I have engaged in countless > conversations about the state of > > Fairfield and its prospects for the future. I have generally taken > the position that Fairfield's > > best years are yet to come. A few years ago, most of the people I > engaged on this topic > > were surprised by my position and only a few agreed. Within the > past year, however, I > > would say that the majority agree: Fairfield's best years are yet > to come. > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Hey Cardmeister: Tantra
Cardmeister, You're our resident sanskrit scholar. What are the roots of the word "tantra" and how are the vowels pronounced? Thanks __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Of interest
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1860872,00.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since I seem to be in a two cents mood for a few days > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > < big snip > > > Obviously GD was a very powerfull > > yogi, full with the radiance of decades of tapasya, but also with very > > outdated and oldfashioned ideas. > > Yes. There are some interesting points being made in this discussion. > > One of my big heresies within the TMO was to suggest that being > enlightened (yes, working on the assumption that MMY is enlightened) > does not free one from all historic, cultural, and ideological > boundarie s. It's easy for people to look at an old-fashioned idea > that Guru Dev may have had and reject it because it doesn't fit with > modern thinking. > > Within the TMO there is a disinclination to consider that > MMY's word and actions are also influenced by culture and > thus that everything he says is not "the absolute speaking > absolutely" (rather, no more than it is when you or I or they > themselves speak), that women in saris is just fashion and > culture instead of a law of nature, that condemnation of > english and modern education and a strong campaign to > repatriate the wealth "stolen" by the west back to India > might be an just ideological quest, and that worshipping > "laws of nature" in the form of Lakshmi and Ganesh might > just be Hinduism and not neutral science. Again, well put. But one wants to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. For example, is listening to Vedic chanting merely cultural, or do the sounds actually have an effect on consciousness? How do you know where to draw the line? Sometimes it seems obvious, but other times it may not be quite so clear. And different people, of course, draw the line in different places, so that line isn't absolute either. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Super powers!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" > > wrote: > > > > > > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. > > > . . . > > > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, > > > therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. > > > > A wise precaution. I've been doing research for > > a story idea about religious fanatics who are > > willing to commit serious crimes (including > > murder) to "protect" their fanatical ideas of > > what is "true" and what is not. The more you > > read about the real things that these kinds > > of real people do in the name of God and > > religion, the scarier it gets and the more > > precautions you feel like taking in your life > > if you are perceived by one or more of them > > as a "heretic." > > > > Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism > > didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/ > > Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world > > there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- > > of murders performed in the name of God. It really > > lends credence to the idea that religion is a > > disease, and that what the world needs is not > > more religion, but an antidote to it. > > > > I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or excuse > for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered > through the ages because of it. > > However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and > suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of communism) > than ever died in the name of religion. > True, but communism and nazism were run in much the same way as all religions, with powerful figureheads dispensing the "truth", true believers, heretics and outsiders etc. It's just human nature to form us & them groups. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since I seem to be in a two cents mood for a few days > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > < big snip > > > Obviously GD was a very powerfull > > yogi, full with the radiance of decades of tapasya, but also with very > > outdated and oldfashioned ideas. > > Yes. There are some interesting points being made in this discussion. > > One of my big heresies within the TMO was to suggest that being > enlightened (yes, working on the assumption that MMY is enlightened) > does not free one from all historic, cultural, and ideological > boundarie s. It's easy for people to look at an old-fashioned idea > that Guru Dev may have had and reject it because it doesn't fit with > modern thinking. Well, you don't have to be *that* modern to reject his ideas in this regard as oldfashioned. Around that time, the turn of last century, there was lot of discussion about renovating Hinduism, and there was considerable scepticism as to what the original Veda actually meant. Just think of the reformist Hindu movements like Brahmo Samaj or Arya Samaj. For example Ganapati Muni strived for equality of women and men with regard to vedic studies. He was of the opinion, that caste was not determined by birth, but by the distribution of sattva, rajas and tamas in an individual. > Within the TMO there is a disinclination to consider that MMY's word > and actions are also influenced by culture and thus that everything he > says is not "the absolute speaking absolutely" (rather, no more than > it is when you or I or they themselves speak), that women in saris is > just fashion and culture instead of a law of nature, that condemnation > of english and modern education and a strong campaign to repatriate > the wealth "stolen" by the west back to India might be an just > ideological quest, and that worshipping "laws of nature" in the form > of Lakshmi and Ganesh might just be Hinduism and not neutral science. > > Just as it is not a condemnation of Guru Dev to recognize the cultural > milieu in which he operated, nor is it a condemnation to recognize the > same about any other spiritual teacher whether it's Meister Eckhardt, > St. Teresa of Avilla, Walt Whitman, the woman next door, or MMY. I agree with all of your points. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
