[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:47 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: Vaj, I've never heard how Maharishi received (or appropriated) the Yogi suffix, but do you believe that it is only correctly accorded a Hatha Yogi? Not necessarily a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-17 Thread Vaj
On Jun 17, 2007, at 2:00 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:47 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: Vaj, I've never heard how Maharishi received (or appropriated) the Yogi suffix, but do you believe that it is only

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 17, 2007, at 2:00 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:47 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: Vaj, I've never heard how Maharishi received (or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you aren't familiar with the tradition, it's easier to pull the wool over your eyes. And if you base your judgment on whether Maharishi is a yogi based on your intellectual understanding of some tradition, you can pull the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-17 Thread Robert Gimbel
(snip) Veda also has a broader definition and that definition is simply knowledge (it's actually derived from the root vid, knowledge), as in direct, samadhic knowledge. In that sense it is eternal and not limited to texts bearing the name Veda. Everyone has access to their own

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-17 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) Veda also has a broader definition and that definition is simply knowledge (it's actually derived from the root vid, knowledge), Just a minor correction: Sanskrit roots are verbal roots, and they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-15 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: I experience the presence of Guru Dev almost daily. I'd really like to hear

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-14 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: I experience the presence of Guru Dev almost daily. I'd really like to hear the details of that if you care to share it. If not openly, then an email

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: I experience the presence of Guru Dev almost daily. I'd really like to hear

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I just forwarded 10 posts from this group to Swami G, I did the best I could to be sensible in leaving out a few posts, why ? With all due respect, I strongly suggest she answers directly to all the questions that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I will forward this suggestion but in all fairness, if you see what I just said in the previous post, there are already 15 yahoo groups Swami G is monoriting. It just took me a lot of time in just this one group to go

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Ron
Hello, This is the original post and the forwarded response from Swami G: Hi thanks for the quick response. Still I feel that she is tiptoeing around the points. These points or rather my main point is, that within the Saraswati Order, as well as two others within the Dasanami System,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Alex Stanley
So, it basically boils down to one guru who isn't qualified to be a guru lashing out at another guru because he isn't qualified to be a guru. Indian spiritual politics... gotta love it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, This is the original post and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Ron
Hello, Going through the posts is not like normal letter, I am cutting out the redundency or what I think is either blatently ignorant or without sincerity or someone playing around. There was a post like that in the other thread. I did post a response which covers all the posts. If there are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, it basically boils down to one guru who isn't qualified to be a guru lashing out at another guru because he isn't qualified to be a guru. Indian spiritual politics... gotta love it! LOL! [snip]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, it basically boils down to one guru who isn't qualified to be a guru lashing out at another guru because he isn't qualified to be a guru. Indian spiritual politics... gotta love it! *lol* I love YOU, Alex; Your

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Ron
Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What I was getting from Ron and Swami G's comments was that since Mahesh could not be initiated as a swami--as Sw. G sees it from her direct experience being

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Ron
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, it basically boils down to one guru who isn't qualified to be a guru lashing out at another guru because he isn't qualified to be a guru. Indian spiritual politics... gotta love it! Are we about to step into

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Ron
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: So, it basically boils down to one guru who isn't qualified to be a guru lashing out at another guru because he isn't qualified to be a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Bhairitu
Ron wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, it basically boils down to one guru who isn't qualified to be a guru lashing out at another guru because he isn't qualified to be a guru. Indian spiritual politics... gotta love it! Are we

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: So, it basically boils down to one guru who isn't qualified to be a guru lashing out at another guru because he isn't qualified to be a guru.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Ron
I have forwarded both the post here and in the other thread to Swami G and will post a response. I know there were 4 Gurus along the way in Swami G's path- you can see some info about Tantra, mantra - how Swami G even defines it in www.abide-in-self.com Tanmay People here tend to judge

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Ron
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: So, it basically boils down to one guru who isn't qualified to be a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, it basically boils down to one guru who isn't qualified to be a guru lashing out at another guru because he isn't qualified to be a guru. Indian spiritual politics... gotta love it! Could we happily devolve this

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Ron
Come find the Beauty life has to Offer Be a Great Existence - Namaste GuruJi, Namaste My Tantric Master was not from Rishiskesh but another part of india - what was learned wasn't what the west terms a left hand path - it was this Sat Guru that also commissioned me to go forward as a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Ron
Come find the Beauty life has to Offer Be a Great Existence - #5 Namaste mantra diksha is a far cry from becoming a sannyasi - Yes a transmission occurs around an authorised Guru - and it is known here having spoken with one of Mahesh Yogis Sadhakas who WAS in direct proximity

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your guru comes off to me like any other common person who has their own opinions. Maharishi, whether he has certain initiations or not, has a much greater energy presence than your guru. Agreed- felt, or didn't feel,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: So,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: So, it basically boils down to one guru who isn't qualified to be a guru lashing out at another guru because he isn't qualified to be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Ron
I looked at the picture, and it certainly is Swami G with, as you righly say a pujari. Please go also to http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Swami+Gsearch=Search and you can see that it Swami G is an American woman who has taken sannyas vows. About the stick I am also puzzled, by I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread t3rinity
Thanks again for the quick response. My comments follow: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip G Now if you want to go on what is being promoted about Guru Dev saying that only Brahmins may be sannyas then STILL Mahesh Yogi can have no claim to being a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Ron
Come find the Beauty life has to Offer Be a Great Existence - Om Namo Narayana G my training is within both Shivaite and Kali traditions as well as esoteric christianity - as stated before i am Fully authorised by my Tantric Guru as a Sat Guru which is beyond the state of an achraya to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Ron
I would have expected Ron's 'swami' guru to rise above the polarity with something meaningful to at least present some dignity. Guru Dev [SBS] seems to have united people and done this without any apparent effort. Instead, Ron's guru appears to be part of the conflict. Hello, Lets try

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Ron
Hello t3rinity, Can you post that Judy post you are talking about here in this thread? I think this is called a thread - right? I am following emails from 15 yahoo groups, so I am only reading the mails in this thread and really busy. Swami G is not in FFL at all. Tanmay Tanmay

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I experience the presence of Guru Dev almost daily. I'd really like to hear the details of that if you care to share it. If not openly, then an email would work.:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: So, it basically boils down to one guru who isn't qualified to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would have expected Ron's 'swami' guru to rise above the polarity with something meaningful to at least present some dignity. Guru Dev [SBS] seems to have united people and done this without any apparent effort.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) The dynamite never bothered me at all, and many others. Really. It bothered a few people, and I guess they're the ones who

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But he didn't do it because GD was his master, and he was completely dedicated to him, served him for 13 years etc. So you think GD just dumped him, saying: you are not a Brahmin, you are only a Brahmachari? I find

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello t3rinity, Can you post that Judy post you are talking about here in this thread? I think this is called a thread - right? I am following emails from 15 yahoo groups, so I am only reading the mails in this thread

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: I experience the presence of Guru Dev almost daily. I'd really like to hear the details of that if you care to share it. If not openly, then an email

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: But he didn't do it because GD was his master, and he was completely dedicated to him, served him for 13 years etc. So you think GD just dumped

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello t3rinity, Can you post that Judy post you are talking about here in this thread? I think this is called a thread - right? I am following emails from 15 yahoo groups, so I am only reading the mails in this thread and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Bhairitu
Thanks for the correction but I could swear she said in one of the videos she at least met her master near Rishikesh. I also got the impression from the video that she didn't spend that much time with him (and he has passed on). It took me 5 years to get commissioned to Swami and I can only

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize trin. for going off on the word. I agree completely with most of what you say, and I personally don't care much for the conservative formalisms of hinduism or any other religion. In general I feel devotion

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-13 Thread Ron
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: Hello t3rinity, Can you post that Judy post you are talking about here in this thread? I think this is called a thread - right? I am following

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: Loving what *IS* may be different than loving what is - Yes, what appears to be the remnants of dualism. I'm finding as we inquire into and integrate

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Ron
Christ, this whole dialog is a breath of fresh air. Ron, (Tanmay) you were born for this moment. lurk Hello, Nice to see a nice comment. I have a lot of enthusiasm for what is taking place. It is my seva, and it is a part of the whole process that one that is in a path is doing seva, to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: I can't deny my own experience. I am a TM teacher who has directly experienced Guru Dev during TM initiations and otherwise. I know of at

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Ron
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: Loving what *IS* may be different than loving what is - Yes, what appears to be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Vaj
No surprises here, but good to see in print as the lies of Mahesh unravel once again. This would be worth adding to the list archives Ron. Veritas liberat. On Jun 11, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Ron wrote: I wonder if this Guru would enjoy Byron Katie... :-) * I doubt it. I've come across Swami G

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those two things ( for me) are of the utmost importance in order for significant progress- and emphasized- Sat Guru and one to one. For those who have come across this, we can say that the universe has offered a choice. Swami G

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No surprises here, but good to see in print as the lies of Mahesh unravel once again. And which lies would those be, Vaj? This would be worth adding to the list archives Ron. Veritas liberat. On Jun 11, 2007, at

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Ron
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: Those two things ( for me) are of the utmost importance in order for significant progress- and emphasized- Sat Guru and one to one. For those who

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Vaj
On Jun 12, 2007, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No surprises here, but good to see in print as the lies of Mahesh unravel once again. And which lies would those be, Vaj? The ones exposed here (sorry, accidentally

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Ron
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No surprises here, but good to see in print as the lies of Mahesh unravel once again. This would be worth adding to the list archives Ron. Veritas liberat. Hello, Well, As was suggested by Swami G , one honors where

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip there is no way a full initiate would be wearing white - and while he may claim Guru Dev as his Guru, like stated before there is no way a Full initiate and most certainly a Shakaracharya that holds the rules of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No surprises here, but good to see in print as the lies of Mahesh unravel once again. Just one minute, Vaj my man, but if *lies* are unraveling, wouldn't that result in them revealing their truth? And what is wrong with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip there is no way a full initiate would be wearing white - and while he may claim Guru Dev as his Guru, like stated before there is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 12, 2007, at 8:44 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: No surprises here, but good to see in print as the lies of Mahesh unravel once again. And which lies

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: Loving what *IS* may be different than loving what is - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: Yes, what appears to be the remnants of dualism. I'm finding as we inquire into and integrate

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I can offer a little food for thought here. There are no rules that say one that is enlightened must keep it secret. I have been saying things are direct and to the point here in my path. So, for a starter, one can ask

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi thanks for the quick response. Still I feel that she is tiptoeing around the points. These points or rather my main point is, that within the Saraswati Order, as well as two others within the Dasanami System, only Brahmins can

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Vaj
On Jun 12, 2007, at 10:47 AM, t3rinity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi thanks for the quick response. Still I feel that she is tiptoeing around the points. These points or rather my main point is, that within the Saraswati Order, as well as two

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What I was getting from Ron and Swami G's comments was that since Mahesh could not be initiated as a swami--as Sw. G sees it from her direct experience being in that living tradition Au contraire, she claimed

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Vaj
On Jun 12, 2007, at 11:34 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What I was getting from Ron and Swami G's comments was that since Mahesh could not be initiated as a swami--as Sw. G sees it from her direct experience being in that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlike Balsekar i am not going to say all is perfect as it is - and if you are a murderer then that is quite fine it is perfect and just be what you are. Personally, I find Balsekar's perspective refreshing. While I haven't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip What I was getting from Ron and Swami G's comments was that since Mahesh could not be initiated as a swami--as Sw. G sees it from her direct

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip What I was getting from Ron and Swami G's comments was that since Mahesh could

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi thanks for the quick response. Still I feel that she is tiptoeing around the points. These points or rather my main point is, that within the Saraswati Order, as well as two others within the Dasanami System, only

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jun 12, 2007, at 3:24 PM, boo_lives wrote: So you think GD just dumped him, saying: you are not a Brahmin, you are only a Brahmachari? No, he dumped him, saying: Hit the road, Jack. I find this logic ridiculous and even arrogant. Me too. I mean, GD really could have gone to the trouble

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Vaj
On Jun 12, 2007, at 4:24 PM, boo_lives wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip What I was getting from Ron and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Marek Reavis
Just want to echo Nablusoss' appreciation of all the information you posted and ask a related question: the Saraswati order is one of 3 that you said are only for Brahmins; what are the other 2? Also, I've understood that at least some of the Dashanami orders are entirely defunct, such as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Marek Reavis
Vaj, I've never heard how Maharishi received (or appropriated) the Yogi suffix, but do you believe that it is only correctly accorded a Hatha Yogi? Certainly, Guru Dev was spoken of as a Siddha Yogi although no account I've read says anything about whether he did or did not do Hatha Yoga. And

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Vaj
On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:47 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: Vaj, I've never heard how Maharishi received (or appropriated) the Yogi suffix, but do you believe that it is only correctly accorded a Hatha Yogi? Not necessarily a hatha yogi, but a practitioner of yoga-darshana (which includes

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Ron
Hello, I forwarded this to Swami G, there have been really a lot of eamils today. Anyway, what is a Braman? Swami G has pointed out in the past what a Braman really is, as opposed to how it is practiced today- something like what american gem society did to clasify birthstones in order to sell

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Ron
Even a worse situation- I only read one paragraph before I responded, then noticed a long response to the post, so I reforwarded the entire commentary and will post any replies from Swami G --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even a worse situation- I only read one paragraph before I responded, then noticed a long response to the post, so I reforwarded the entire commentary and will post any replies from Swami G Her driving mind drove her to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Ron
Hello, I just forwarded 10 posts from this group to Swami G, I did the best I could to be sensible in leaving out a few posts, also from the new thread with Swami G in the title. There are two yahoo groups ( out of around 15) that Swami G monitors and responds to posts. Some of you may consider

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Ron
Hello, I will forward this suggestion but in all fairness, if you see what I just said in the previous post, there are already 15 yahoo groups Swami G is monoriting. It just took me a lot of time in just this one group to go through the posts and weed out some unnecccessay things In addition to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-12 Thread Ron
Hello again, I just remembered that one of Swami G's books should be in 21st century book store, or also at amazon- Kundalini from hell to heaven by Ganga Karmokar I think I have that right Tanmay

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello group, Since being in touch with Rick lately, I followed 2 threads- is that what you call them? I read all the comments about Guru Dev's deathbed instructions, and also comments about Maharishi's latest comments

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread Ron
Your guru ends the message of trying to draw Maharishi down into the mud with: I WELCOME YOU ALL WITH GREAT LOVE AND RESPECT. What a joke... I forwarded this comment to Swami G and this is the reply: G when it comes to the antics of Mahesh Yogi, this Guru is not laughing - when so

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] In the case of this situation with Maharishi, and the deathbed instructions, I am simply no longer used to speculating about what happened because in my camp here, I pick up the phone, or send an email and the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread Rory Goff
I wonder if this Guru would enjoy Byron Katie... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your guru ends the message of trying to draw Maharishi down into the mud with: I WELCOME YOU ALL WITH GREAT LOVE AND RESPECT. What a joke... I forwarded this

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread Peter
Ron, please forward this to Swami G. I my judgment of MMY was solely based on his behavior I too would doubt the legitimacy of him and his teachings. I agree with you, and there are many others also in the TMO that see his behavior as strange, to say the least. But while I have this surface

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I'm not a great fan of Maharishi it is my understanding that TM was not taught by Guru Dev but that it was given to Maharishi by him. Even MMY does not actually say this literally. MMY speaks of guru dev as the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Went to that site and checked it out. I also have read what you posted from your Guru about Maharishi. While I'm not a great fan of Maharishi it is my understanding that TM was not taught by Guru Dev but that it was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: [snip] My meditater wife has also seen Guru Dev's expression change in a photo we have of him, AND spoken [telepathically] with him - and she's only

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread Robert Gimbel
(snip) I'd class it at the same level of veracity as the guys on my TTC who said, when we complained about the dyna- miting next door to our hotels, Maharishi has *definitely* been told about the dynamite, and he told me to tell you that you shouldn't mind it. He's working on resolving the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) I'd class it at the same level of veracity as the guys on my TTC who said, when we complained about the dyna- miting next door to our hotels, Maharishi has *definitely* been told about the dynamite, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread Robert Gimbel
(snip) The dynamite never bothered me at all, and many others. Really. It bothered a few people, and I guess they're the ones who had talked to the course leaders about it and been given a Go away, every- thing is being taken care of story. But, don't you see the metaphor of this

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coming from my Guru, it was said there is a tradition where a Guru was appointed Guru by their Guru. Furthermore, Maharishi did not take full Sanyas vows, or full vows within the tradition of GuruDev. Maybe he was a secretary?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) The dynamite never bothered me at all, and many others. Really. It bothered a few people, and I guess they're the ones who had talked to the course leaders about it and been given a Go away, every-

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread Ron
Hello, I am forwarding a reply from Swami G to some of the comments: G i don't know enough about Byron Katie to comment - so will stay silent on this. As far as the other comments are concerned - if they have gotten something from TM GREAT, if they remain in balance and not in confusion

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if this Guru would enjoy Byron Katie... :-) I doubt it. I've come across Swami G several times in the past few years, and it's always been in a context of conflict. She has a very dualistic and fundamentalist

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread Ron
Note: I am forwarding a response from Swami G to the last post. There is a mixture of comments from me and also the poster. Me = T ( short for Tanmay which is my spirital name given at diksha), *= the poster, and G = Swami G: T: Coming from my Guru, it was said there is a tradition where a Guru

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread Ron
I wonder if this Guru would enjoy Byron Katie... :-) * I doubt it. I've come across Swami G several times in the past few years, and it's always been in a context of conflict. She has a very dualistic and fundamentalist mindset about spiritual rights and wrongs G dualistic and fundamentalist ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Loving what *IS* may be different than loving what is - Yes, what appears to be the remnants of dualism. I'm finding as we inquire into and integrate our self-righteously scripted reactions around warmongers, liars, false

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi . . .

2007-06-11 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, we've often found Byron Katie (Loving what IS) to be very useful in helping the divisive mind to catch up with Us :-) http://www.thework.com/index.asp

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