from:"MaiMaiPG"

Valium was prescribed by my vet for Ebony when he was in the process of
leaving this world.  It helped a lot.  High protein foods appealed to him
the most--salmon, eggs, chicken and turkey.  In very small pieces of course
and small amounts at a time so as not to overwhelm him.  Try Willard Water
to keep him hydrated.

Good luck.
- Original Message - 
From: Elizabeth Paz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Won't EatPlease Help

 Hi everyone,

 Has anyone got any ideas on how to get some food into my kitty?

 He has had FELV since 03. He was a very sick kitty and we were a breath
away
 from having to put him to sleep.  We wanted to try and give him a chance,
 even though our Vet and the Ophthalmologist that was treating kitty's eyes
 were against it.  He was on Prednisone 5mg a day for about 6 months, he
 began looking and acting healthier. then his meds were changed to half a
 pill each day, and then finally a half a pill every other day.

 August of 04 he was taken off of all meds, and became a healthy chubby
cat.
 ( 16 lbs) He has been wonderful till Friday of last week.  Then over this
 weekend his eyes clouded over (Uveitis returned)  and he is not eating a
 thing.  I have tried everything, even his favorite snack, and no way.

 We went to the Vet yesterday (Monday), and guess what, the Dr. who has
 worked with us is on holiday.  What a mess.  The one that we saw was a bit
 of a fruit cake. She tried to draw blood and had such a problem, it took
 three tries with kitty crying, can't even tell you what I was going to do
to
 her if hubby had not stepped in. I spoke to her about the prednisone.
She
 said she did not want to put him back on the prednisone at this time and
on
 and on and on.  I told her our Dr. made it quite clear to us,( it was down
 on his chart also )  that if we saw that he was sliding to get him back on
 the Prednisone.  It was like talking to the wall.  She gave me an
 anti-biotic for ten days for him and that was it.

 Today I called and got one of the other vets who pulled Kitty's chart and
 gave me a prescription for the prednisone.  I will be starting it later.
 Tomorrow we will be taking him to his Ophthalmologist and hopefully she
will
 be able to get his eyes back under control.  Please God.

 I am quite sure at this time he is only seeing shadows, and is so
frightened
 from every noise.  I can't get him to eat.  I know how important this is
on
 a chubby cat, and how quickly they can get... Hepatic Lipidosis and it may
 be fatal with his immune system..

 A few moments ago I put a little food on my finger and had to force his
 little mouth open and I put it on the back of his tongue.  He did swallow
 it, and is now sleeping.

 Would anyone know of any other way of doing it.

 Sorry about this winded letter, it has been a long and heartbreaking 5
days.

 Thank you for taking the time to read it.

 Lisa.

Re: Won't Eat....Please Help

See if you can find some Feliway spray--not the plug in--and spray it around
where he is and on yourself.  It will help calm him.  You also might try
catnip (organic or a plant if you can find it).  I have used both with
frightened, angry, upset cats successfully.
- Original Message - 
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Won't EatPlease Help

 Hi Lisa,
 I can hear the panic in your voice and how very much you love your
 Kitty.  You are right, you need to get him to eat.   It is wonderful
 that he has been so healthy and has a few extra pounds to help him
 maintain right now.  He is in danger of HL if he goes without eating
 anything in a 24 to 48 hour period.  That means if you get something
 down him, he'll probably be okay.   I know the sound of syringe
 feeding can be intimidating.  Don't think of it as force feeding,
 think of it as assisted feeding.  Like you would a baby.  There is a
 group for help with this, here's the link:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/

 Poor thing must be so panicky with his eyes giving him trouble like
 that.  Not to mention the vet trip from Hell.   All he's going to want
 to do is hide.  Please try to calm yourself.  Put on some soft music and
 keep the room he's in dark.  If he wants to hide, go ahead and let him,
 (after you get his meds and some food in him of course).  Speak softly
 to him and tell him how the two of you will see this through together.
 Tell him you will do your very best to make sure no one scares him, or
 puts him through any more trauma than absolutely necessary.  (I'd like
 to punch your substitute vet in the neck btw).

 Prayers that Kitty rebounds soon, please let us know how you guys are
doing,
 Nina

 Elizabeth Paz wrote:

  Hi everyone,

  Has anyone got any ideas on how to get some food into my kitty?

  He has had FELV since 03. He was a very sick kitty and we were a
  breath away from having to put him to sleep.  We wanted to try and
  give him a chance, even though our Vet and the Ophthalmologist that
  was treating kitty's eyes were against it.  He was on Prednisone 5mg a
  day for about 6 months, he began looking and acting healthier. then
  his meds were changed to half a pill each day, and then finally a half
  a pill every other day.

  August of 04 he was taken off of all meds, and became a healthy chubby
  cat. ( 16 lbs) He has been wonderful till Friday of last week.  Then
  over this weekend his eyes clouded over (Uveitis returned)  and he is
  not eating a thing.  I have tried everything, even his favorite snack,
  and no way.

  We went to the Vet yesterday (Monday), and guess what, the Dr. who has
  worked with us is on holiday.  What a mess.  The one that we saw was a
  bit of a fruit cake. She tried to draw blood and had such a problem,
  it took three tries with kitty crying, can't even tell you what I was
  going to do to her if hubby had not stepped in. I spoke to her about
  the prednisone.   She said she did not want to put him back on the
  prednisone at this time and on and on and on.  I told her our Dr. made
  it quite clear to us,( it was down on his chart also )  that if we saw
  that he was sliding to get him back on the Prednisone.  It was like
  talking to the wall.  She gave me an anti-biotic for ten days for him
  and that was it.

  Today I called and got one of the other vets who pulled Kitty's chart
  and gave me a prescription for the prednisone.  I will be starting it
  later.  Tomorrow we will be taking him to his Ophthalmologist and
  hopefully she will be able to get his eyes back under control.  Please
  God.

  I am quite sure at this time he is only seeing shadows, and is so
  frightened from every noise.  I can't get him to eat.  I know how
  important this is on a chubby cat, and how quickly they can get...
  Hepatic Lipidosis and it may be fatal with his immune system..

  A few moments ago I put a little food on my finger and had to force
  his little mouth open and I put it on the back of his tongue.  He did
  swallow it, and is now sleeping.

  Would anyone know of any other way of doing it.

  Sorry about this winded letter, it has been a long and heartbreaking 5
  days.

  Thank you for taking the time to read it.

  Lisa.

Re: Won't Eat....Please Help

Sorry to keep doing this piece meal but another idea is to find Just Born
(or a mother's milk substitute) which has worked for some of mine or whipped
cream which worked for one.  The Just Born is full of everything he needs
and reminds him of the safety of his mother.   I've had this problem several
times.  Ideas only.  Maybe one will work for you.
- Original Message - 
From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Won't EatPlease Help

keep putting it on your finger or syringing it, he may get his desire
 to eat back once he gets some food into him and starts feeling better.
 you are right overweight kitties are more suseptable to getting HL and a
 lot faster than a normal weight cat might.  Getting food into him right
 away is a priority.  If you have to syringe feed. give small amounts in
 the side of the mouth, give him a minute to swallow then give more.  You
 can try offereing food after he has had a bit, it may kick start his
 desire to eat.

 -- 
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Re: Hi Maimaipg

The Rescue Remedy drops in his water would help.  I've never used the spray.
My cats hate anything with much odoreven litter.  My mother is extremely
allergic to anything with added scents so  I avoid them like the plague.
- Original Message - 
From: Elizabeth Paz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:48 PM
Subject: Hi Maimaipg


 I have Rescue Remedy, I just bought it the other day, would this work?  I
 was thinking of spraying his carry case with it tomorrow, but it has quite
a
 floral odour I wondered if it would annoy him.


 See if you can find some Feliway spray--not the plug in--and spray it
around
 where he is and on yourself.  It will help calm him.  You also might try
 catnip (organic or a plant if you can find it).  I have used both with
 frightened, angry, upset cats successfully.
 - Original Message -

Re: Bandy and supplements

2005-09-05 Thread maimaipg




My alternative vet recommends transfer factor and MacroForce 
for boosting the immune system. The active ingredient in Macro Force is 
available in other brands. This just happens to be the easiest to get in 
my area of the country. She also uses laser (as has me use a regular laser 
pointer) on various points on the cat's body. It acts sort of like 
acupuncture. You would have to get someone to show you the points or try 
to figure it out from the internet. Keep the light out of the eyes. 
But enjoy running the light in circles around the cat. Mine love to chase 
the little red dot they can't catch. For $20 it is a wonderful toy even if 
you can't figure the alternative med stuff out.It stimulates 
their interest and gives them exercise that has to help their 
morale.
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:11 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements
  
  I do not think that any supplements will help with the anemia directly 
  unless it is iron anemia, which is very rare in cats and probably is not the 
  case with him. I would put him on 500 mg per day of Lysine, split into 
  two doses, and a multi-vitamin supplement (like Pet Tinic, which does have 
  iron) and maybe switch on and off between echinacea and astragalus every week. 
  I would mix them into baby food twice per day in small doses and let him eat 
  them. People also rave about Transfer Factor, which I have not tried 
  yet, so maybe that as well. I would start with one at a time so if he does not 
  want to eat the baby food you will know which supplement he does not 
  like.
  Michelle

Re: CLS for Marie Cat

2005-09-05 Thread maimaipg




She left happy and knowing she was safe and loved. 
You can't ask for more than that. Sometimes we try to extend lives and 
make the critter/person miserable doing so. I truly believe we need to ask 
ourselves what we would want if we were in our animal friend's paws. 
Please understand that I am not saying give up or do nothing. Making the 
decision to hand the decision to God/our angels and guides/nature is much harder 
than trying to exhaust medical science. You are a very strong, wise and 
loving person to make that decision for Marie Cat. I am very sure she is 
extremely pleased with the person she chose to live with and that she sends you 
more love than you will ever know what to do with. She will always 
be there to give you the comfort and love you gave her. All you have to do 
is ask her.

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:37 
  PM
  Subject: Re: CLS for Marie Cat
  
  Tad,
  
  I am so terribly sorry. It sounds though that it was the 'right' 
  time for her to go and that she went on her own terms. I wish it could 
  always be as peaceful for all our fur babies. Take care of 
  yourself.
  
  tonyaTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Sadly 
my Marie Cat passed away quietly last evening..9/4/2005...She was a 
beautiful Russian Blue...She was my first FeLV+ cat..I brought her home 
almost 2 years ago to the dayShe was thought to be near 16 years old 
but she was picked up as a stray and we don't know for sure..I rescued 
her with a group of 4 cats all starving and eaten by fleas..Marie was very 
down and they didn't think she would survived the 300 mile trip home but i 
wanted to give her a chance...I didn't know they were FeLV+ until I took 
them to my vet and that is when I decided to start my FeLV+ room..I lost one 
of the kittens is a short time but her brother is still here...Marie has 
always acted like an old cat but got around and had her favorite spots in 
sunny windows and on the soft rug on the breeze way...She enjoyed both those 
spots yesterday...About a week ago she started drinking a lot of water 
and then throwing up...I put her on an A/D diet and she seemed fine for a 
couple days then started not eating...She excepted some from a suringe but 
not enough...Last evening she only wanted about 10 cc and then wanted to 
get in the window over my bed...I had to help her climb up there...She 
stayed there for a couple hours then came down beside me where she always 
slept and before long she had passed onI might have been able to do 
more to extend her life but she was old and she was comfortable and happy 
right up to the end...She was a very special cat, like all the others 
too, and she will remain in my heart 
foreverTad

Re: CLS

2005-09-06 Thread maimaipg




Some people have very large hearts---including those who 
rescue. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Terri 
  Durham-Stone 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:13 
  AM
  Subject: Re: CLS
  Hi Tanya, Hubby is fine - thank goodness, it was 
  just a medicine interaction - he sure scared me !! No my kitties didn't 
  come from Georgia, I try to name the litters to match so we can keep 
  them straight on who goes to who :) Their Mom is Savannah and so I named 
  the kits all different counties, the only female is Marietta, I "used" 
  to do genealogy and my family came from Georgia, and also from SC, NC, TN, TX 
  ... Marietta is a county in GA that my "James" line came from. 
  Anyway, I am hoping that Marietta, Athens and Atlanta make it, 
  but I have my doubts because it seems that FIP is taking them one by 
  one. Oh and their brother Rome is the only one who tested negative, he 
  seems to be doing fine but I will have him re-tested in a few more weeks - he 
  is separated from his siblings. 
  Got to run - one of my kitties has a bad front leg and is going to the vets 
  this morning to get it amputated, but I know it is for the best, 
  we will keep him if he doesn't get adopted but 3 weeks ago we did adopt a 3 
  legged - some people love the special needs. Thank you Terri 

  catatonya wrote: 
  I'm so sorry, Terri. "Albany", 
"Macon" did these cats come from Georgia? How is your husband? 
tonya 
Terri Durham-Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
For 
  another sibling of Albany - "Macon" he was just a little over 4 months 
  FELV pos, he was pts on Thursday Sept 1st from FIP - he could hardly 
  walk and his eyes told me it was time - He is out of any pain now and 
  with his brother and other friends. 4 left of the litter - there was 
  only one that was negative for FELV 
  heavy heart in Oakdale, CA Terri ps trying to look at my glass 
  half full - sometimes this is hard when all this is happening 
  Terri Durham-Stone Safe a Life "Spay and Neuter" Live well, 
  Love much, Laugh Often   
  -- Terri Durham-Stone Safe a 
  Life "Spay and Neuter" Live well, Love much, Laugh Often

Re: Geroge's passing




If you allow him to and ask him to he will come to you in 
your dreams and he will help you more than you can imagine. The feral ones 
are the greatest. They know and appreciate kindness because they have had 
to struggle through life. They are extremely strong spirits and are just 
so different than cats who have been raised by people. Ebony Thomas Katt 
was feral when he chose to move in with me (I didn't like cats but that didn't 
matter in the least). He picked me and for 16 years honored me by living 
with me.Kitty was also feral and so strong. People who are 
kind to ferals and are honored by their love are extremely lucky. I know I 
am. George has honored you in the greatest possible way. Take him up 
on his offer. 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Cherie A 
  Gabbert 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:24 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Geroge's passing
  
  Hideyo,
  I am really sorry to hear about George, my heart goes out to you.
  CherieHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  




Hi, my beloved George whom I 
rescued two month ago crossed the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored 
breathing for the past few days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time 
overcoming URI due to the compromised immune system from FIV  he had been 
so well, he had a very good appetite.. but he never could really gain 
weight. He was very jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, 
but he was doing so good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did 
not want to stress him out taking him to a vet all the time..though. I did 
sense the his last days might have been approaching as I felt that it must 
have been painful to breath so heavily.. and he was getting so skinny 
regardless of his appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very 
inflamed, and was going to call him the first thing yesterday morning to see 
if I could give him predisone but he did not make it - 


I must have know that something 
was going to happen that morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that 
day..I was so nervous and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would 
go check the room and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get 
stressed more if I were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go 
back,, one time, I heard really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat 
the food from the plate.. so I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. 
so I did.. and an half hour later or an hour.. I went back into the room.. 
and I did not hear his breathing noise in the room.. I got so scared and I 
looked around..and called his name..and he was lying on the floor by 
the food plate with his eyes and mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held 
him he was still warm.. but he had passed already.. I cried and cried and 
held him, and I wrapped him with a blanket.. and put him on the table by the 
window. He looked so painful with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish 
that they werent.. but then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to 
visit George by the window in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. 
his eyes and mouth were completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked 
like he was just sleeping..with no more pain

I have lots of regrets for thing 
I have done or I havent done for George.. things that I would regret for 
the rest of my lives and things that ended up shortening his lives and 
things that I would never forgive myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my 
AC this morning and she talked to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, 
but I also feel very peaceful. George is doing fabulous right now, he 
said... he is a little sad.. but he is feeling very good. We talked 
about a lot of things.. but at the end he told me that.. dont think that he 
is just a little helpless cat,, he is much more.. especially now,, he is 
free, and he can be an advisor for me --- as I do have a tendency to try to 
control every situation I encounter.. and I beat up myself when I cant 
for..so anyway, he gave me some advise which I found very very helpful to 
continue my life..
George said that he would like 
to meet me again,, probably not in my life time I left the conversation, 
asking him that if he would talk to me again.. and he said yes.. I told him 
that I love him and will miss him very much. And at the end,, he told me 
that he loves me, too. George has been always a little feral boy.. and it 
meant the world to me to know that he loves me.I buried him at his favorite 
spot in the garden.. the place he used to hang 
out

Thank for all the prayers you 
have given for George in the past now George has passed..please pray that 
George will be continue to be

Re: laser toy

Ebony and MiTu would sit on the stool in front of the TV when they wanted me
to play the video for them.  Ebony would wake me up, make sure I was awake
then sit on the stool so I understood exactly what he wanted.  They loved
the video and couldn't get enough.  I just had to make sure there was
nothing breakable on top of the TV.
- Original Message - 
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:26 PM
Subject: laser toy

 Glad someone mentioned the laser toy--I do use it occasionally because
 it's the one thing that never fails to get my 2 quarantined cats moving.
 But the reason I only use it occasionally is that I worry about the
 frustration element-they think there's something to catch but they can
 never succeed. Ditto those cat videos showing birds etc, with all the
 sound effects. I used to play them, but worried about the cats becoming
 depressed. I'd love to hear other opinions. Is there any reliable info
 out there on how chasing intangible objects affects cats? If I thought
 they were really ok, I'd use them more often. Kerry
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond
 Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:51 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements

 I would be cautious in using laser pointers as toys -
 I know they love it and I bring mine out a couple
 times a year, but it can make some kitties go a little
 nuts.  One of the clinic cats where I take my boys
 lost it after having played with the laser toy and
 kept looking for the red dot to the point she was
 attacking other kitties.  No more lasers and she was
 on meds for a while but is OK now.  Just something to
 keep in mind!

 --- maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  My alternative vet recommends transfer factor and
  MacroForce for boosting the immune system.  The
  active ingredient in Macro Force is available in
  other brands.  This just happens to be the easiest
  to get in my area of the country.  She also uses
  laser (as has me use a regular laser pointer) on
  various points on the cat's body.  It acts sort of
  like acupuncture.  You would have to get someone to
  show you the points or try to figure it out from the
  internet.  Keep the light out of the eyes.  But
  enjoy running the light in circles around the cat.
  Mine love to chase the little red dot they can't
  catch.  For $20 it is a wonderful toy even if you
  can't figure the alternative med stuff out.   It
  stimulates their interest and gives them exercise
  that has to help their morale.
  - Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements

I do not think that any supplements will help with
  the anemia directly unless it is iron anemia, which
  is very rare in cats and probably is not the case
  with him.  I would put him on 500 mg per day of
  Lysine, split into two doses, and a multi-vitamin
  supplement (like Pet Tinic, which does have iron)
  and maybe switch on and off between echinacea and
  astragalus every week. I would mix them into baby
  food twice per day in small doses and let him eat
  them.  People also rave about Transfer Factor, which
  I have not tried yet, so maybe that as well. I would
  start with one at a time so if he does not want to
  eat the baby food you will know which supplement he
  does not like.
Michelle

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 living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile.
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Re: Geroge's passing




One more thing, check with George in a few weeks after he 
has had time to rest up. Bet he will tell you that you did everything just 
right and that it was his time to leave.but that you gave him love and 
security, not pain or fear, while he was with you. He may decide to come 
back to you in this lifetime of yours. You never know. Often, after 
they leave, they just need time to rest and adjust. It is very different 
"living" where you don't ever want for anything and where you are healthy and 
young.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:49 
  PM
  Subject: Geroge's passing
  
  
  Hi, my beloved George whom I 
  rescued two month ago crossed the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored 
  breathing for the past few days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time 
  overcoming URI due to the compromised immune system from FIV  he had been so 
  well, he had a very good appetite.. but he never could really gain weight. 
  He was very jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, but he 
  was doing so good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did not want to 
  stress him out taking him to a vet all the time..though. I did sense the his 
  last days might have been approaching as I felt that it must have been painful 
  to breath so heavily.. and he was getting so skinny regardless of his 
  appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very inflamed, and was going to 
  call him the first thing yesterday morning to see if I could give him 
  predisone but he did not make it - 
  
  I must have know that something 
  was going to happen that morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that 
  day..I was so nervous and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would go 
  check the room and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get 
  stressed more if I were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go back,, 
  one time, I heard really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat the food 
  from the plate.. so I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. so I did.. 
  and an half hour later or an hour.. I went back into the room.. and I did not 
  hear his breathing noise in the room.. I got so scared and I looked 
  around..and called his name..and he was lying on the floor by the food 
  plate with his eyes and mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held him he 
  was still warm.. but he had passed already.. I cried and cried and held him, 
  and I wrapped him with a blanket.. and put him on the table by the window. He 
  looked so painful with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish that they 
  werent.. but then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to visit 
  George by the window in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. his 
  eyes and mouth were completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked like 
  he was just sleeping..with no more pain
  
  I have lots of regrets for thing I 
  have done or I havent done for George.. things that I would regret for the 
  rest of my lives and things that ended up shortening his lives and things that 
  I would never forgive myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my AC this 
  morning and she talked to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, but I 
  also feel very peaceful. George is doing fabulous right now, he said... 
  he is a little sad.. but he is feeling very good. We talked about a lot 
  of things.. but at the end he told me that.. dont think that he is just a 
  little helpless cat,, he is much more.. especially now,, he is free, and he 
  can be an advisor for me --- as I do have a tendency to try to control every 
  situation I encounter.. and I beat up myself when I cant for..so anyway, he 
  gave me some advise which I found very very helpful to continue my 
  life..
  George said that he would like to 
  meet me again,, probably not in my life time I left the conversation, asking 
  him that if he would talk to me again.. and he said yes.. I told him that I 
  love him and will miss him very much. And at the end,, he told me that he 
  loves me, too. George has been always a little feral boy.. and it meant the 
  world to me to know that he loves me.I buried him at his favorite spot in the 
  garden.. the place he used to hang out
  
  Thank for all the prayers you have 
  given for George in the past now George has passed..please pray that George 
  will be continue to be happy, and continue to have a good life and that some 
  dayI will meet him soon.
  
  Hideyo

Re: Geroge's passing




You can talk to him yourself when you are ready. 
Just still your soul and focus on what a magnificent cat he is (not was--he has 
just changed forms) and ask him to talk to you. I went thru this process 
with a wonderful dog, Mai Mai. She left almost 4 years ago and we are 
together a lot, especially when things get rough. When I ask her, she even 
helps out-cats. You have to be ready though. Your AC may be 
able to help you prepare for this wonderful journey. Just remember that 
everything is not as it seems and not everything can be explained 
logically. 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:48 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Geroge's passing
  
  
  I hope I can meet him 
  sooner than this life timebut either way,,, as long as I can talk to him, he 
  doesnt seem too far way.. doesnt it?I will ask Jasmine to talk to him again 
  in a few weeks though as you suggested to see how he is doingthank 
  you!!
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of maimaipgSent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:38 
  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Geroge's 
  passing
  
  
  One more thing, check with George 
  in a few weeks after he has had time to rest up. Bet he will tell you 
  that you did everything just right and that it was his time to leave.but 
  that you gave him love and security, not pain or fear, while he was with 
  you. He may decide to come back to you in this lifetime of yours. 
  You never know. Often, after they leave, they just need time to rest and 
  adjust. It is very different "living" where you don't ever want for 
  anything and where you are healthy and 
  young.
  

- Original Message - 


From: Hideyo Yamamoto 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 


Sent: 
Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:49 PM

Subject: 
Geroge's passing


Hi, my beloved George whom I 
rescued two month ago crossed the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored 
breathing for the past few days, the vet felt that he was having a hard time 
overcoming URI due to the compromised immune system from FIV  he had been 
so well, he had a very good appetite.. but he never could really gain 
weight. He was very jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go away,, 
but he was doing so good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I really did 
not want to stress him out taking him to a vet all the time..though. I did 
sense the his last days might have been approaching as I felt that it must 
have been painful to breath so heavily.. and he was getting so skinny 
regardless of his appetitethe vet thought that his throat was very 
inflamed, and was going to call him the first thing yesterday morning to see 
if I could give him predisone but he did not make it - 


I must have know that something 
was going to happen that morning, because I couldnt sleep since 4 am that 
day..I was so nervous and was wide awake, kept thinking of George I would 
go check the room and see how he was doing.. and would go back (he would get 
stressed more if I were around since he is a feral boy).. so I would go 
back,, one time, I heard really loud breathing, and I saw him trying to eat 
the food from the plate.. so I wanted to leave him alone so he could eat.. 
so I did.. and an half hour later or an hour.. I went back into the room.. 
and I did not hear his breathing noise in the room.. I got so scared and I 
looked around..and called his name..and he was lying on the floor by 
the food plate with his eyes and mouth open.. and I ran over to him and held 
him he was still warm.. but he had passed already.. I cried and cried and 
held him, and I wrapped him with a blanket.. and put him on the table by the 
window. He looked so painful with his eyes and mouth were open.. and I wish 
that they werent.. but then, an interesting thing happened.. I went back to 
visit George by the window in the room an half hour later .. and this time.. 
his eyes and mouth were completely closed and he looked so peaceful.. looked 
like he was just sleeping..with no more pain

I have lots of regrets for thing 
I have done or I havent done for George.. things that I would regret for 
the rest of my lives and things that ended up shortening his lives and 
things that I would never forgive myself for.. but. I talked to Jasmine, my 
AC this morning and she talked to George for me.. and I still feel very sad, 
but I also feel very peaceful. George is doing fabulous right now, he 
said... he is a little sad.. but he is feeling very good. We talked 
about a lot of things.. but at the end he told me that.. dont think that he 
is just a little helpless cat,, he is much more..

Re: laser toy

Totally true.  Kitty told some ACs that she played with the red dot to amuse
me and take my mind off various troubles.
- Original Message - 
From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: laser toy

 don't ever forget that THEY get a huge kick out of watching us make
 total fools of ourselves tossing toys around, ending up chasing them
 ourselves, flying silly feathered toys around--i SWEAR they sit and
 talk about absolutely ridiculous their humans are. i think they play
 with some of the toys just to keep US amused (wouldn't want the
 feeders to get too bored, now would we?)

 -- 
 MaryChristine

 AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ICQ: 289856892

Re: Geroge's passing




You can. Honest. But you have to give yourself 
time to recover. I didn't believe I could talk to Mai Mai but I 
do.I understand why she had to leave and how much she loves me and she 
knows how much I love her. When it came time for Kitty to come live 
with me (she lived with my parents until my father died and then --several years 
later--Mom didn't feel she could take care of her) I asked Mai Mai, in total 
desperation, to help Kitty adjust. Kitty didn't want to live with me at 
all and hid under the couches for almost 3 months before she came out. My 
AC told me I was frightening to her. I slept on the floor with her for so 
very long, as I had with Mai Mai during an extended 
illness--everything I could think of to get her to adjust. Mai 
Mai came thru like you would not believe. Kitty had clawed her big time 
when she (a feral) moved in with my parents so Mai Mai was not fond of her at 
all. She still helloed Kitty adjust. She has been close to me every 
day and will come back to me soon. You have to accept the fact that you 
can not explain everything--that there are things much greater than you and your 
understanding but that they do exist. Talk to your AC and see if she can 
help you. Mine did. Feel him near you. He is there. It 
is too soon for you to accept this. Ask him to send you a sign when you 
have the AC talk with him again or ask him yourself in a little while--when you 
are ready. Animal communicationsis not for a select few. It is 
for those with open, willing hearts. You obviously have such a heart or 
you would not have cared for this wonderful soul. 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:13 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Geroge's passing
  
  
  Really? I would 
  so much love to talk to him myself.. but I dont know if I can.. 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of maimaipgSent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 4:05 
  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Geroge's 
  passing
  
  
  You can talk to him yourself when 
  you are ready. Just still your soul and focus on what a magnificent cat 
  he is (not was--he has just changed forms) and ask him to talk to you. I 
  went thru this process with a wonderful dog, Mai Mai. She left almost 4 
  years ago and we are together a lot, especially when things get rough. 
  When I ask her, she even helps out-cats. You have to be ready 
  though. Your AC may be able to help you prepare for this wonderful 
  journey. Just remember that everything is not as it seems and not 
  everything can be explained logically. 
  
  
  
  

- Original Message - 


From: Hideyo Yamamoto 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 


Sent: 
Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:48 PM

Subject: RE: 
Geroge's passing


I hope I can meet 
him sooner than this life timebut either way,,, as long as I can talk to 
him, he doesnt seem too far way.. doesnt it?I will ask Jasmine to talk to 
him again in a few weeks though as you suggested to see how he is 
doingthank you!!





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of maimaipgSent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 
2:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Geroge's 
passing


One more thing, check with 
George in a few weeks after he has had time to rest up. Bet he will 
tell you that you did everything just right and that it was his time to 
leave.but that you gave him love and security, not pain or fear, while 
he was with you. He may decide to come back to you in this lifetime of 
yours. You never know. Often, after they leave, they just need 
time to rest and adjust. It is very different "living" where you don't 
ever want for anything and where you are healthy and 
young.

  
  - Original Message - 
  
  
  From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
  
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  
  Sent: 
  Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:49 PM
  
  Subject: 
  Geroge's passing
  
  
  Hi, my beloved George whom I 
  rescued two month ago crossed the bridge yesterday  he had a very labored 
  breathing for the past few days, the vet felt that he was having a hard 
  time overcoming URI due to the compromised immune system from FIV  he had 
  been so well, he had a very good appetite.. but he never could really gain 
  weight. He was very jaundiced and yellow ness did not really go 
  away,, but he was doing so good..though,, Since he is a feral boy,, I 
  really did not want to stress him out taking him to a vet all the 
  time..though. I did sense the his last days might have been approaching 
  as I felt that it must have been painful to breath so

Re: Smokey....

2005-09-08 Thread maimaipg




Get a copy and see if you can find someone who practices 
alternative medicine. Mine has worked wonders for my 4 legged friends, 
improving the quality if not always the quanity of life. Maybe someone can 
give you suggestions on who to see in the UK.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  John Stafford 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 5:55 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Smokey
  
  
  Hi, 
  Thanks for your reply. Full blood tests were done on Smokey, but 
  all i can remember the Vet telling me, after she told me about the Leukemia, 
  was that her Hb level was very low, way way below acceptable levels. And 
  that 2 other levels were way low, but i cant recall what they were. It sounds 
  like Vets in the UK are not as thorough as yours in the US when it comes to 
  Feline Leukemia. Do you reccommend i get a copy of the results from the Vet? 
  And if so, what can i do with them?Thanks, 
  John.Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  
  
Hi John,
Sorry you had to find us, but glad it's US you found:) What other 
work was done/ tests run etc Saturday as well as the FeLV test? With 
the dramatically increased thirst, I would think diabetes and would want a 
full blood chemistry panel run. FeLV is more like human AIDS than 
anything elseasmost of the time it's something secondary that 
causes death. I would get more information about your Smokey's overall 
health/condition before getting too worried.John Stafford 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  Hi there, 
  My name is John, i'm from Newcastle, England. Me and my partner 
  Julie discovered on Saturday that our lovely cat Smokey has 
  Leukemia. Needless to say we are both totally devastated with the 
  news. Smokey is very special to us because she just decided to come 
  and live with us about 3 year ago. We would never normally have got 
  a cat, but one day Smokey just came through our homes window, and the rest 
  is history. Since then she has been the center of all our attention. 
  
  She is taking Predisalone steroids 5mg twice daily.Our vet just 
  suggested we put her to sleep, but we declined,because she doesn't 
  seem too poorley at present.She is very sleepy all the time (but 
  then again she always has been) but just a bit more than usual. She 
  has lost alot of weight. She is still eating, but very little, and she 
  seems to be drinking loads. We take her out the back a couple of times a 
  day and she has a little run about, but gets tired very quickly.
  Can you reccommend any supplement or anything else we could give her 
  too help her along the way??
  Thanks,
  John, Julie, Smokey.
  PS. it's really good to read everyones emails, thanks.
  
  
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Re: Smokey....

2005-09-09 Thread maimaipg

Has Smokey been checked for diabetes?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  John Stafford 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

  Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 9:17 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Smokey

  Hi, thanks again for your reply. Sorry about my abbreviations, i'm 
  a Nurse. Yes Smokey has anaemia, her gums, pads and nose are very 
  pale. The Vet did originally think she had a parasite, and Smokey has 
  already taken a full course of Doxycyline. She has deffinately had 
  increased drinking and trips to the litter tray. What is the postal 
  address for yourselves so i can send on her results.
  Thanks, JohnBarb Moermond 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

John,
I would definitely get a copy of all the results whenever you have 
anything done. You can post them here for feedback from people who've 
had similar problems and/or use them to get a second opinion from another 
vet. I'm not sure what your abbreviations are, they can vary, but are 
there any spots on Smoky that were usually pink and now are very 
pale/white? Like, nose, gums, pads etc? That would indicate 
anemia and would explain the fatigue. There are a number of causes for 
anemia and different types of anemia, so you would need to find out which 
and if it's regenerative or non-regenerative. Hemobartinella is a 
blood born parasite that causes anemia and usually doesn't show up in the 
test for it. An antibiotic like Doxycycline is usually used for 
that. Along with the increased thirst, are there increased trips to 
the litter box?John Stafford 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi, 
  Thanks for your reply. Full blood tests were done on Smokey, 
  but all i can remember the Vet telling me, after she told me about the 
  Leukemia, was that her Hb level was very low, way way below acceptable 
  levels. And that 2 other levels were way low, but i cant recall what 
  they were. It sounds like Vets in the UK are not as thorough as yours in 
  the US when it comes to Feline Leukemia. Do you reccommend i get a copy of 
  the results from the Vet? And if so, what can i do with them?Thanks, 

  John.Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 

Hi John,
Sorry you had to find us, but glad it's US you found:) What 
other work was done/ tests run etc Saturday as well as the FeLV 
test? With the dramatically increased thirst, I would think 
diabetes and would want a full blood chemistry panel run. FeLV is 
more like human AIDS than anything elseasmost of the time 
it's something secondary that causes death. I would get more 
information about your Smokey's overall health/condition before getting 
too worried.John Stafford 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi there, 
  My name is John, i'm from Newcastle, England. Me and my 
  partner Julie discovered on Saturday that our lovely cat Smokey has 
  Leukemia. Needless to say we are both totally devastated with 
  the news. Smokey is very special to us because she just decided 
  to come and live with us about 3 year ago. We would never 
  normally have got a cat, but one day Smokey just came through our 
  homes window, and the rest is history. Since then she has been 
  the center of all our attention. 
  She is taking Predisalone steroids 5mg twice daily.Our vet 
  just suggested we put her to sleep, but we declined,because she 
  doesn't seem too poorley at present.She is very sleepy all the 
  time (but then again she always has been) but just a bit more than 
  usual. She has lost alot of weight. She is still eating, but 
  very little, and she seems to be drinking loads. We take her out the 
  back a couple of times a day and she has a little run about, but gets 
  tired very quickly.
  Can you reccommend any supplement or anything else we could give 
  her too help her along the way??
  Thanks,
  John, Julie, Smokey.
  PS. it's really good to read everyones emails, 
thanks.

  How much free photo storage do you get? Store 
  your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get 
  Yahoo! PhotosBarb+Smoky the House 
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he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and 
making me smile." - Anonymous 
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Re: Smokey....

2005-09-09 Thread maimaipg




You might want to check that out. I believe the 
blood work for diabetes has to be fasting. I don't know if his was. 
Some of what you describe is indicative of diabetes.- Original 
Message - 

  From: 
  John Stafford 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:31 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Smokey
  
  Hi, no i dont think she has been checked for diabetes. I have 
  posted all her other blood results on the site. Thanksmaimaipg 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  



Has Smokey been checked for diabetes?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  John Stafford 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 9:17 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Smokey
  
  Hi, thanks again for your reply. Sorry about my abbreviations, 
  i'm a Nurse. Yes Smokey has anaemia, her gums, pads and nose are 
  very pale. The Vet did originally think she had a parasite, and 
  Smokey has already taken a full course of Doxycyline. She has 
  deffinately had increased drinking and trips to the litter tray. 
  What is the postal address for yourselves so i can send on her 
  results.
  Thanks, JohnBarb Moermond 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
John,
I would definitely get a copy of all the results whenever you have 
anything done. You can post them here for feedback from people 
who've had similar problems and/or use them to get a second opinion from 
another vet. I'm not sure what your abbreviations are, they can 
vary, but are there any spots on Smoky that were usually pink and now 
are very pale/white? Like, nose, gums, pads etc? That would 
indicate anemia and would explain the fatigue. There are a number 
of causes for anemia and different types of anemia, so you would need to 
find out which and if it's regenerative or non-regenerative. 
Hemobartinella is a blood born parasite that causes anemia and usually 
doesn't show up in the test for it. An antibiotic like Doxycycline 
is usually used for that. Along with the increased thirst, are 
there increased trips to the litter box?John Stafford 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  Hi, 
  Thanks for your reply. Full blood tests were done on 
  Smokey, but all i can remember the Vet telling me, after she told me 
  about the Leukemia, was that her Hb level was very low, way way below 
  acceptable levels. And that 2 other levels were way low, but i 
  cant recall what they were. It sounds like Vets in the UK are not as 
  thorough as yours in the US when it comes to Feline Leukemia. Do you 
  reccommend i get a copy of the results from the Vet? And if so, what 
  can i do with them?Thanks, 
  John.Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  
Hi John,
Sorry you had to find us, but glad it's US you found:) 
What other work was done/ tests run etc Saturday as well as the FeLV 
test? With the dramatically increased thirst, I would think 
diabetes and would want a full blood chemistry panel run. FeLV 
is more like human AIDS than anything elseasmost of the 
time it's something secondary that causes death. I would get 
more information about your Smokey's overall health/condition before 
getting too worried.John Stafford 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  Hi there, 
  My name is John, i'm from Newcastle, England. Me and my 
  partner Julie discovered on Saturday that our lovely cat Smokey 
  has Leukemia. Needless to say we are both totally devastated 
  with the news. Smokey is very special to us because she just 
  decided to come and live with us about 3 year ago. We would 
  never normally have got a cat, but one day Smokey just came 
  through our homes window, and the rest is history. Since 
  then she has been the center of all our attention. 
  She is taking Predisalone steroids 5mg twice daily.Our 
  vet just suggested we put her to sleep, but we 
  declined,because she doesn't seem too poorley at 
  present.She is very sleepy all the time (but then again she 
  always has been) but just a bit more than usual. She has 
  lost alot of weight. She is still eating, but very little, and she 
  seems to be drinking loads. We take her out the back a couple of 
  times a day and she has a little run about, but gets tired very 
  quickly.
  Can you reccommend any supplement or anything else we could 
  give her too help her along

Re: laser toy

2005-09-10 Thread maimaipg

Just for the record, they considered me their witchat least Ebony did.
All black cats need a good witch.  He came to live with me when he was 3 +
years old (no way of really telling).  Blood and pus ran down my legs from
the wounds he had.  I got him fixed up and, for some unknown reason, he
refused to move on.  I didn't like cats.  I didn't want a cat.  I
particularly did not want a wild cat that no one could handle and he was
very wild.  In fact he hissed at me for over a year if I came within 5 feet
of him.  However, I could never let an animal go without medical attention
or food so I was stuck.  I learned later that he picked the only house in
the neighborhood with central air.   He discovered I was a witch when he saw
me open a can of cat food then confirmed his belief when he discovered what
was in the gigantic white box in the kitchen--all sorts of good food.
The first time he saw me open a can he up his hands on the handle to the
oven and stretched his neck to the point I thought it would break (hence the
name  E T Katt.  Of course E T had to stand for something and what better
than Ebony Thomas Katt).  He also pronounced me the world's greatest hunter
when I fixed turkey breasts for him.  If that was the size of the sparrow's
breast, he didn't really care to see the sparrow.  He just left that up to
his humble servant.  If he wanted it, he got it.  He trained my two dogs,
Mai Mai, at 60 lbs, and Allie Beagle, at 30 lbs, to stay on one half of the
bench seat in a Jeep while he occupied the entire other half.  Ebony died 16
years later, on New Year's Eve night, in my arms.

This is just to set the record straight.  Ebony would tell you his Mom was a
beautiful cat that taught him how to hunt and survive in the alleys of a
city where people shot at cats and beat them with brooms and where they live
2-3 years if they are lucky.  She certainly was not some strange looking 2
legged thing that didn't have beautiful fur and looked a lot like his
tormentors.

If you missed it, which is highly unlikely, I grew to adore this loving
spirit. He left almost 7 years ago but he has never really left.  He just
changed forms.  I am extremely grateful for the lessons he taught me then
and the ones I am still learning from him.  MiTu was his little queen and a
truly gentle soul.   I miss her too.

- Original Message - 
From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: laser toy


 That's hilarious too! What a wonderful image--2 kits sitting on a stool in
 front of the TV waiting for mom to switch it on!
 - Original Message -
 From: maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:29 PM
 Subject: Re: laser toy


  Ebony and MiTu would sit on the stool in front of the TV when they
wanted
 me
  to play the video for them.  Ebony would wake me up, make sure I was
awake
  then sit on the stool so I understood exactly what he wanted.  They
loved
  the video and couldn't get enough.  I just had to make sure there was
  nothing breakable on top of the TV.
  - Original Message -
  From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:26 PM
  Subject: laser toy
 
 
   Glad someone mentioned the laser toy--I do use it occasionally because
   it's the one thing that never fails to get my 2 quarantined cats
moving.
   But the reason I only use it occasionally is that I worry about the
   frustration element-they think there's something to catch but they can
   never succeed. Ditto those cat videos showing birds etc, with all the
   sound effects. I used to play them, but worried about the cats
becoming
   depressed. I'd love to hear other opinions. Is there any reliable info
   out there on how chasing intangible objects affects cats? If I thought
   they were really ok, I'd use them more often. Kerry
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb
Moermond
   Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:51 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements
  
  
   I would be cautious in using laser pointers as toys -
   I know they love it and I bring mine out a couple
   times a year, but it can make some kitties go a little
   nuts.  One of the clinic cats where I take my boys
   lost it after having played with the laser toy and
   kept looking for the red dot to the point she was
   attacking other kitties.  No more lasers and she was
   on meds for a while but is OK now.  Just something to
   keep in mind!
  
   --- maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
My alternative vet recommends transfer factor and
MacroForce for boosting the immune system.  The
active ingredient in Macro Force is available in
other brands.  This just happens to be the easiest
to get in my area of the country.  She also uses
laser

Re: [NMHP] One cat at the bottom of the totem pole

2005-09-10 Thread maimaipg




I am a big believer in the spray version of Feliway. 
I don't particularly like the plug in version. That, coupled with catnip 
(fresh or organic dried) might help. Have you tried sitting down with your 
little ones and explaining exactly what happened to Simon. They may not 
understand. It is difficult to put such into words, particularly when you 
may be telling them of their own futures, but they really need to know what 
happened, why it happened, that it may happen with them but that you will be 
there and listen to them and let them guide you in your decision making process 
and, most importantly, that you will always be there for them and the Simon is 
there for them if they will just be open and let his heart talk to their 
hearts. They may be feeling lost because they have no information. 
It is extremely painful to explain this so have a box of tissues close but don't 
be afraid to let them see tears. I found out three years after Allie died 
that Mai Mai didn't really understand.and I brought Mai Mai with me when I 
buried Allie, let her see and be with Allie's body for a while.I thought I 
did everything right but obviously I left something out. You might try the 
Bach remedies--willow for grief comes to mind--in their water bowl. Maybe 
a combination of all of this and what others suggest will 
help.They are very confused.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 12:20 
  PM
  Subject: Fwd: [NMHP] One cat at the 
  bottom of the totem pole
  Hi. I am 
  trying to clear out my email box, saw this, and thought it might help some of 
  you with multi-cat stress problems (cat stress, not your stress! though 
  decreasing their stress helps decrease ours, of course). I would try the 
  hidden treat thing if Lucy was not on a special bladder stone diet that 
  prohibits treats at the moment. I may try it in the future. My three remaining 
  positives fight constantly ever since Simon died. Ginger loved him, Lucy 
  liked him, and Patches hit him when she needed to hit someone and he ran away 
  rather than hit her back. Now they all just bicker all the time, and sometimes 
  worse. Michelle

Re: [NMHP] One cat at the bottom of the totem pole

2005-09-11 Thread maimaipg




If they don't understand what happened it unbalances their 
world even more. I have seen it several times. One animal leaves and 
the others have to reorder their lives--rearrange the pecking order. I 
guess my point is to make sure they do understand what happened so they can do 
their reordering. 

Take care

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 11:23 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [NMHP] One cat at the bottom 
  of the totem pole
  
  
  I use both versions of Feliway, as well as catnip. Simon was 
  separated from them his last month, but I brought him in to see them once and 
  they did not really want much to do with him and he did not want to see them 
  either. Ginger was the only one who was really close to him, and she is 
  the most well-adjusted now. I think it is just that he kind of held their 
  little society together as the only one they all liked, and now they don't 
  have anyone they all like. Ginger plays all the time and Simon used to play 
  with her, so now she tries to get Lucy to play and that makes Lucy really 
  irritatated, etc. I do not really think it is that they are grieving, 
  but more that things just don't work as well without him.
  Thanks,
  Michelle
  
  In a message dated 9/10/2005 9:48:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I am a big believer in the spray version of Feliway. I 
don't particularly like the plug in version. That, coupled with catnip 
(fresh or organic dried) might help. Have you tried sitting down with 
your little ones and explaining exactly what happened to Simon. They 
may not understand. It is difficult to put such into words, 
particularly when you may be telling them of their own futures, but they 
really need to know what happened, why it happened, that it may happen with 
them but that you will be there and listen to them and let them guide you in 
your decision making process and, most importantly, that you will always be 
there for them and the Simon is there for them if they will just be open and 
let his heart talk to their hearts. They may be feeling lost because 
they have no information. It is extremely painful to explain this so 
have a box of tissues close but don't be afraid to let them see tears. 
I found out three years after Allie died that Mai Mai didn't really 
understand.and I brought Mai Mai with me when I buried Allie, let her 
see and be with Allie's body for a while.I thought I did everything 
right but obviously I left something out. You might try the Bach 
remedies--willow for grief comes to mind--in their water bowl. Maybe a 
combination of all of this and what others suggest will 
help.They are very confused.

Re: Need advice

2005-09-12 Thread maimaipg




Take a tape recorder and plead bad memory, you are too 
stressed etc to accurately remember the conversation etc. Ask her 
ifshe would mind you taping the conversation. Bet she will say it is 
ok.This may get her to think about what she is saying and make it 
less confusiong. By pleading bad memory you are taking on the problem of 
communications, not laying it on her. I have a hard time remembering every 
thing my vet says when things are going ok so the plea is legit. 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:10 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Need advice
  Oh, Princeton is well over an hour away from 
  me, and I think that the extra driving adds a lot of stress for them, or I 
  would definitely try her. I am not very pleased so far with my new vet. She 
  has a great attitude (talks about trying to help my positives live to 15), is 
  very caring, and even calls me back on the weekends, and also does house 
  calls, so no complaints there. I just do not think she is a great 
  diagnostician so far, and she also gets me really confused by changing what 
  she says all the time and not acknowledging it. But I am afraid to go that far 
  away with them.MichelleIn a message dated 
  9/11/05 9:32:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  Dr. Emily Jarvis at Carnegie Cat Clinic in Princeton, NJ. 
She's fantastic. Of course, none of my gang has been sick as they are 
all negative now. Salome' is the only one who is "supposedly" 
positive, but I never had her bone marrow tested, and she's never been sick 
a day in her life except for once last summer. She had a horrific URI 
(went through the house; everyone had it) and she came out of it fine, so 
I'm inclined to think she's one of those "positives" that is a carrier and 
not necessarily viremic. All of the other kitties are negative, 
vaccinated, and remain negative.

Re: Another emergency!! - at home oxygen tank?

2005-09-12 Thread maimaipg




Try adding Willard Water to his waterit will help 
hydrate him, I use it with filtered water for my girls. The filtered 
water will leave a scum or minerals in the bowl in a couple of days (they don't 
like it changed daily and get about a gallon at a change--they won't change so I 
adapt). With the Willard Water it stays clear and clean and the glass 
bowls have no residue. WW is available at a lot of heath food places and 
on the internet, I thought people were nuts who recommended it to 
me--water is water---they are not nuts.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:09 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Another emergency!! - at 
  home oxygen tank?
  
  Kerry, 
  
  I hope Rascal continues to improve. And Bandy as well. You 
  must be going crazy with 2 sick at the same time. It's so hard when just 
  one is sick!
  
  tonyaKerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
thanks so much for the replies..My Lil Rascal made it home without the 
use of oxygen...His breathing was much better and now today (Monday) we are 
going to get him on the correct meds..I hope...He has hyperthyroidism so 
that doesn't help matters..
Anyway, I had a friend that had an oxygen tank and she brought it just 
in case..My vet said forme to just cover the carrier with towels so 
the air flow wouldn't be completly cut off and put the hose thru the side 
with some ice in a bowl for humidity and turn it on a low setting 1 or 1.5 
just in case...I do think if I need to, I can enclose a carrier at home if 
another emergency arises with his breathing..at least to do a breathing 
treatment or whatever he might need in a crunch..
When we got home though, he was very dehydrated as I think they must 
have took the fluids off too fast and didn't get enough back fast enough so 
he stayed at the water bowl all night and it was awful...I called my reg vet 
Sunday morning and took him in for 250 SQ fluids, as his temp was 
subnormal...then he stayed all afternoon on a heating pad and had a little 
O2 as well..he received another 250 fluids that afternoon and then I brought 
him home...He used the box then went on to pig out...I was so happy that he 
felt good enough to eat...I have seen him eat several times since..and 
drinking but not to the extent of hanging his head over the bowl as he did 
when we got home...anyway...My vet said they should have supplemented him 
with SQ fluids even though he had an IV, but they didn't and didn't even 
give him any potassium..We have done all of that now and hopefully can give 
him some quality time at home..He is Bandy's buddy..and Bandy has been with 
him since I got him home..
Lil Rascal is 15 (Oct. 31 will be 16) and never been sick in his 
life..So this is all very traumatic for him..Thanks again for all of your 
info..
Head butts to all our wonderful fur babies! 
Kerry, Bandy, Lil Rascal and the rest of the crew


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Re: Another emergency!! - at home oxygen tank?

2005-09-12 Thread maimaipg




PS Kitty is hyperthyroid and it doesn't help 
anything. Her alternative vet has her on MacroForce (when I can get this 
head strong calico to take it) to boost the immune system and Intrasound. 
Kitty has tumors in her lungs--that doesn't help anything either. Try the 
Willard Water and the others if they meet your needs and gut feelings for what 
is best for your little friends. 

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:09 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Another emergency!! - at 
  home oxygen tank?
  
  Kerry, 
  
  I hope Rascal continues to improve. And Bandy as well. You 
  must be going crazy with 2 sick at the same time. It's so hard when just 
  one is sick!
  
  tonyaKerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
thanks so much for the replies..My Lil Rascal made it home without the 
use of oxygen...His breathing was much better and now today (Monday) we are 
going to get him on the correct meds..I hope...He has hyperthyroidism so 
that doesn't help matters..
Anyway, I had a friend that had an oxygen tank and she brought it just 
in case..My vet said forme to just cover the carrier with towels so 
the air flow wouldn't be completly cut off and put the hose thru the side 
with some ice in a bowl for humidity and turn it on a low setting 1 or 1.5 
just in case...I do think if I need to, I can enclose a carrier at home if 
another emergency arises with his breathing..at least to do a breathing 
treatment or whatever he might need in a crunch..
When we got home though, he was very dehydrated as I think they must 
have took the fluids off too fast and didn't get enough back fast enough so 
he stayed at the water bowl all night and it was awful...I called my reg vet 
Sunday morning and took him in for 250 SQ fluids, as his temp was 
subnormal...then he stayed all afternoon on a heating pad and had a little 
O2 as well..he received another 250 fluids that afternoon and then I brought 
him home...He used the box then went on to pig out...I was so happy that he 
felt good enough to eat...I have seen him eat several times since..and 
drinking but not to the extent of hanging his head over the bowl as he did 
when we got home...anyway...My vet said they should have supplemented him 
with SQ fluids even though he had an IV, but they didn't and didn't even 
give him any potassium..We have done all of that now and hopefully can give 
him some quality time at home..He is Bandy's buddy..and Bandy has been with 
him since I got him home..
Lil Rascal is 15 (Oct. 31 will be 16) and never been sick in his 
life..So this is all very traumatic for him..Thanks again for all of your 
info..
Head butts to all our wonderful fur babies! 
Kerry, Bandy, Lil Rascal and the rest of the crew


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Re: My dear little Claudette

2005-09-16 Thread maimaipg




They are together and they are very grateful for your 
love. In a few days, aftersome of the shock has dulled, ask them to 
come to you in your dreams..then let them in. When you close your eyes 
each night, be open to them visiting. When the time is right, they will 
visit you. Don't be afraid and don't be in a hurry to wake 
up..enjoy their visit and ask them to come again. The visits will 
not make the pain of losing them go away but it will let you know that they are 
happy and carefree and healthy and very much appreciate everything you did for 
them and for all the other cats and other animals you have helped. They 
will fill your heart with their love.you just have to let them.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barb 
  Moermond 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 5:16 
  PM
  Subject: Re: My dear little 
  Claudette
  
  Oh Bonnie, I am so sorry.. again, I'm crying here at my desk. You 
  describe her with such love and she sounds like a fabulous purrsonality. 
  You were privileged to have known each other and have so many years 
  together. Our thoughts and tears are with you. 
  HUGSBONNIE J KALMBACH 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  Dear 
Belinda,Please add my dear little Claudette to the Candlelight 
service. She passed today at the age of twelve. She had cancer of the 
liver and died from a reaction to the chemo which was just started 
yesterday. Claudette had thrown off the leukemia virus eight years 
ago when my kitties were exposed to the virus from a kitten who had 
originally tested negative. Her brother Phillipe became positive and 
died within two years. Claudette and Phillipe were two beautiful grey 
and black tabbies with white feet and copper markings. She and Phillipe 
had prominent black rings on their grey tails, just like a raccoon. Her 
cute little nose was half white, half copper, and she had the loud 
insistant meow of her Siamese mother, Mitou. Claudette, 
Phillipe, Andre, and Sylvie were all born in my son's closet. When they 
were tiny, Phillipe, the "leader of the pack" would climb up my leg into 
my lap with Claudette right behind. Then would come black Andre. I would 
have to pick up the very small Sylvie who was born with hypernatremia 
and wasn't well coordinated. Then all of the kittens would snuggle in my 
lap and fall asleep - it was a thrill, even though their clawing their 
way up was a tad painful. Claudie was also the best of all my kitties 
with the head butts. She was like a caring older sister to the sick 
kitties and would always hover close by them as if to offer comfort. The 
sudden onset of the cancer and her loss this morning was a big shock. 
But now I hope she has found her brother Phillipe and they are together 
again - my two little ringtails.Bonnie in 
  WIBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El 
  Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should 
  impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
  - Anonymous
  
  
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Re: Assist feeding Grace - Darla's recipe

2005-09-19 Thread maimaipg




Try Feliway spray with your feral cat. It has worked 
wonders with the ones I have taken in. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:24 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Assist feeding Grace - 
  Darla's recipe
  
  With my distemper kittens, my holistic vet gave me basically the same 
  recipe.
  We started the kits out w/ colustrum w/ olive leaf extract, and now, 
  since the girls are doing so well, we have continued w/ the recipe, in 
  addition to sarting them on a "raw diet", basically lamb  brown 
  rice.We d/c'ed the colostrum, but continue w/ olive leaf.
  My vet has me make the rice "wet", and collect the extra liquid, as a 
  brown rice water to be added to feedings.
  Just thought I'd share also, since these 2 were literally on death's 
  door, and after losing 3 already, our hopes were not "high".
  Moonshade  Taylor are thriving
  Taylor "doubling" her weight in the last month!!
  Another 30 days isolation, spay after that  then the FUN begins. 
  finding them GREAT homes!!!
  It's been a hellish kitten season, SIGH.. It seems they NEVER get any 
  better.
  I still have the 2 little boys from the feral mom, looking for homes for 
  them also...
  Continuing my efforts w/ their mom, Charity, is a very slow progress. At 
  least she doesn't attack me anymore. I think I am gaining her trust, very 
  slowly. I don't know what to do with her
  I see she looks "sad" being crated, but I am afraid to release her just 
  yet. (Still not comfortable w/ that idea...traffic in this town is HORRIBLE, 
  as we live on the Main St., and on "grade", so traffic FLIES uphill, 24 hours 
  a day. lots of big trucks.)
  Well, just thought I'd share. Get some of my "weight" off my chest. I 
  truely have been so busy this summer.
  Busier in "retirement" then I planned on.
  Best to all,
  Patti

Re: My ANGEL Sebastian

2005-09-19 Thread maimaipg




Before you decide to do anything, and if it is right for 
you, find an animal communicator to talk to Sebastian. I decided against 
serious/surgical testing for Kitty. Like you, I desperately want to know 
what is wrong with her but chose to have her consulted. I knew what I 
would want done if it were me but that is not what I wanted to do with 
her.She told a group of communicators that she did not want the tests and 
did not want chemo (she put it much more bluntly--I'm not sure where she learned 
some of the words but she was feral once). The thought of losing her sent 
me into a panic and still does but she explained that we fear death while cats 
do not. They know so much more than we do and accept so much more. I 
amNOT urging you to forgo the testing but I am urging you to push the 
panic you feel aside long enough to ask him what he wants. It is so very 
hard to make the decision to ignore a vet's advise. I was lucky. My 
personal vets and my alternative vet agreed with Kitty and not the 
specialists. I am confident that I made the right decision for her but I 
do not know that is the right one for you and Sebastian. And the right 
decision for Sebastian may be the wrong decision for you. 

May all of your angels and Sebastian's angels guide 
you.

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  JENNIFER RATLIFF 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:15 
  PM
  Subject: My ANGEL Sebastian
  
  
  
  I have not written for so long because I feel that I have given up 
  hope. Sebastian has not been doing very well. He can no longer 
  walk and he relies on me to take him to the litter box and to feed him. 
  He still has a good appetite. He seems so depressed now. I am so 
  heart broken that I cry almost daily. I am not strong enough to let him 
  go. I feel that it isn't up to me to play god and that he will go when 
  he is ready. He just keeps fighting. He is so much braver than 
  me. I took him to the Virginia Tech Veterinary hospital on August 
  1st. They were wanting to run alot of tests. The tests were very 
  risky, so I decided against them. Now I feel that I have no choice and I 
  have to find out what is wrong with him and see if there is something that can 
  be done. I don't know what I will do without him. I am so scared 
  of losing him.

Re: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation!

2005-09-21 Thread maimaipg

The AAA has a list of pet friendly hotels.  
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:19 PM
Subject: Pet friendly hotels in Arkansas--Rita evacuation!

 Hi All!

 Well, it looks like a mandatory evacuation may be scheduled for our area
 (SE Houston) by Thursday morning due to Rita...I'm hoping beyond hope
 that the hurricane will change course, but we're not taking any chances!
  If we have to leave, the animals are coming with us which means 2 dogs,
 7 cats and a bearded dragon crammed into two cars...our plan is to head
 north to Indiana where our parents live...but we will probaby make a pit
 stop in Arkansas overnight...does any one know of any pet friendly
 hotels in the state?  I'm hoping that whatever hotel we choose will pity
 our brood...but you never know!  Wish us luck and pray the hurricane
 doesn't do too much damage...and, most of all, keep our Feleuk guys in
 your thoughts!

 Take care,

 Jen

Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace

My vet has been able to do it with no problem at all.  It takes a skilled
and loving, caring soul to do that.  She may be upset that you are looking
at the situation as a death bed vigil instead of a time to remember,
together and in body, all the good times and love you have shared.  She may
be pulling away because of this and maybe she thinks it will make it easier
for you.  They will often stay long past the time they want to leave because
of the pain they know it will cause their person.  Mai Mai and Ebony both
stayed for me.  It is not that you want her to leave--it is that you want
her to be free to leave or stay as she knows best.  It may be that she needs
to leave this earth at home instead of at the vet's.  I can not answer but
pose the questions for you to consider.

Bless you and bless her.  Let both of your angels guide you.  They will if
you ask.
- Original Message - 
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace


 My Beloved Group,
 First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to participate fully in the
 group this last couple of weeks.  I love you all, but for the last
 couple of days, I haven't even been able bring myself to read the
 posts.  I'm physically and emotionally exhausted by Grace and my last
 efforts to bring her back to health.  Yesterday, I finally resigned
 myself to thinking of our time together as 'death bed vigil'.  Those of
 you that know me, know that I pray all your babies are safe and healthy,
 and those that are losing, or have lost the battle; my love is with
 you.  I don't know what I would have done without the love and support
 of this group.  You have been a Godsend to me and my sweet fur angels.

 Yesterday morning Gracie told me she does not want to stay.  Among
 other signs, I was syringe feeding her and she refused to swallow.  I'm
 trying my best to make peace with her decision.  I know you understand.
 She hasn't eaten on her own for a long time now and she's skin and
 bones.  She spent a nice peaceful day, and I did my best to just be
 with her.   During the afternoon she made it clear that she didn't want
 to be sung to, or touched.  It's so hard on me to watch her pull away.
 At one point, she seemed a bit agitated so I ground up a tiny bit of
 Valium and gave it to her in water.  She was so relaxed she even did a
 stretch-semi roll out on the patio in the sun.  She did something that
 startled me, and got my hopes up again.  (I just can't stop believing in
 miracles).  I was giving the dogs treats and she was laying on the
 couch.  Well, we have this thing Grace and I.  Whenever the dogs get
 treats she'd come bounding over the barrier and expect one too.  When
 she saw me giving the dogs treats this afternoon, she jumped off the
 couch.  I started to cry, because I thought, there's no way she's going
 to take a treat.  I put one in front of her anyway and you could have
 knocked me over with a sigh.  It took her a minute to decide to eat it,
 but she not only ate that one, but 3 more.  Then she ate 3 or 4 pieces
 of kibble!  My hopes were short lived though.

 I've been up with her most of the night.  She still doesn't want my
 attention.  She doesn't even want me to look at her, it's breaking my
 heart to say goodbye, and I guess it may be making it harder for her to
 go, although that is not my intention.  It's not like I don't want her
 to leave her body, I do.  I want her suffering to be over.  Yesterday,
 when I knew it was time, I called my Internist's office to see if Dr.
 Ortega would be willing to help her cross.  Grace has always liked Dr.
 Ortega, and I thought she would be calmest with her.  Well, my Internist
 isn't going to be in the office until Friday.  It doesn't seem possible
 that Grace will still be here by then.  My stance has always been, that
 when I know it's the end, when I know that the chance of a recovery
 after treatment isn't possible, then it's time to help them cross.  Even
 though Grace is peaceful, (she just lays on her side and breathes
 shallow, but relaxed breaths), I have a hard time letting nature take
 it's course.  It's arrogant of me, but I can't stand seeing her like
 this.  I'm also so worried about her being in pain, when I look in her
 eyes, she doesn't seem in pain, but she doesn't seem like herself
 either.  I wouldn't mind vacant, but it's almost like she's... not quite
 angry, more like annoyed to still be here.

 Just to let you know...  Over the past week or so, I think I may have
 mentioned it, we've been following an extensive homeopathic regime with
 the help of a practitioner named Darla Palmer.  While it didn't save
 Grace, it did bring her back into her body, and for brief glorious
 moments, back to me.  It was such a joy to see the Grace I know and love
 shining out of her eyes again.

 Anyway, here's my question:  Can anyone tell me how difficult it is to
 put an animal to sleep

Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace

A heart that is full of love can break in infinite number of times.  A hard
heart might break once.
- Original Message - 
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace

 Thanks Cherie,
 I just called my Internist's office and they will be able to squeeze me
 in tomorrow at 9:30.  I know you all know how this feels.  The final
 moment, the realization that there's nothing left to do, nothing left to
 try.  How can a heart break over and over again?
 N

 Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

  Nina,
  That is true just the shot would be so much better can you make an
  appointment for Friday, so at least you have some more good bye time.
  Cherie

  */Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

  Nina,
  I'm so sorry you're going through this right now, it's so hard.
  If you're worried about them finding a vein, you could request
  that they inject her parenterally, that's how my vet helped Ninja
  - no worried or stress about finding a vein and using an IV, just
  a shot.

  */Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

  Michelle,
  Thank you so much for answering my post. When I was struggling
  with
  gathering the energy it took to actually write, I was thinking
  of you.
  I wanted your opinion about this. I wish I were braver. Funny,
  isn't
  it, I always think of myself as strong and brave, but when it
  comes to
  this... I just feel helpless and humble.
  N

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Nina, I am so sorry. I do not think lack of fat makes veins
  smaller
   or harder to find, so though I may be wrong, I do not think
  that
   should be a concern. You know how I am, though, I do not
  think I
   would do it at all since she does not seem to be in active
  pain. I do
   think the annoyed look she has probably has to do with
  discomfort of
   some sort-- I have seen most of them get like that toward
  the end
   (Simon was like that both times that I thought he was dying).
I
   personally would probably just keep giving her little bits
  of valium
   if it made her feel good and stretch in the sun and want a
  dog treat.
   At least until things got worse. And you could try to wait
  for the
   vet she likes then, at least. Anyway, that is just me, and
  how I do
   things. I know that we are all different with death. And I
  have not
   always thought that I did the right thing, either.
   Michelle

  Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

  My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress.
  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me
smile.
  - Anonymous

  Yahoo! for Good
  Click here to donate http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ to
  the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

  /Have a purrfect day/
  /Cherie/
  //

Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace

There are Bach essences and other aids for the person too.  Check with your
homeopath/health food store etc  for recommendations for you and your
grieving process.  They help.  Honest.  They do not make the hurt go away.
Don't think that.  They do make it easier to deal with.  If there is no pain
on losing a loved one, you did not truly love.
- Original Message - 
From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace

 Nina, my heart goes out to you, I am so sorry for your pain.  These
 are such difficult, important, and soul-searching questions.  I can
 only answer of course from my own experience, but want to mention
 that homeopathy also has ways of supporting the one who is about to
 pass on, so you might talk to your homeopath.

 I agree, I have always interpreted with animals and people, when they
 won't take the food or liquid out of the syringe or dropper, it's
 time for them to move to a different level.  I usually allow my loved
 ones to move at their own speed, unless there seems to be pain or
 other difficulty.

 I really don't know how difficult it is to euthanize an emaciated
 animal - but they will pass on gently on their own. And, it's not
 hard to ask your vet about a simple sedative for Grace if you feel
 that's appropriate, and your dear Grace could remain at home.  Also,
 again, a good contact might be the homeopath, to give you gentle
 suggestions on how to help Grace with making the transition.

 Let us know, we all are with you as you help her with this passage.

 Blessings,

 Gloria

 On Sep 22, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Nina wrote:

  My Beloved Group,
  First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to participate fully in
  the group this last couple of weeks.  I love you all, but for the
  last couple of days, I haven't even been able bring myself to read
  the posts.  I'm physically and emotionally exhausted by Grace and
  my last efforts to bring her back to health.  Yesterday, I finally
  resigned myself to thinking of our time together as 'death bed
  vigil'.  Those of you that know me, know that I pray all your
  babies are safe and healthy, and those that are losing, or have
  lost the battle; my love is with you.  I don't know what I would
  have done without the love and support of this group.  You have
  been a Godsend to me and my sweet fur angels.

  Yesterday morning Gracie told me she does not want to stay.
  Among other signs, I was syringe feeding her and she refused to
  swallow.  I'm trying my best to make peace with her decision.  I
  know you understand.  She hasn't eaten on her own for a long time
  now and she's skin and bones.  She spent a nice peaceful day, and I
  did my best to just be with her.   During the afternoon she made
  it clear that she didn't want to be sung to, or touched.  It's so
  hard on me to watch her pull away.  At one point, she seemed a bit
  agitated so I ground up a tiny bit of Valium and gave it to her in
  water.  She was so relaxed she even did a stretch-semi roll out on
  the patio in the sun.  She did something that startled me, and got
  my hopes up again.  (I just can't stop believing in miracles).  I
  was giving the dogs treats and she was laying on the couch.  Well,
  we have this thing Grace and I.  Whenever the dogs get treats she'd
  come bounding over the barrier and expect one too.  When she saw me
  giving the dogs treats this afternoon, she jumped off the couch.  I
  started to cry, because I thought, there's no way she's going to
  take a treat.  I put one in front of her anyway and you could have
  knocked me over with a sigh.  It took her a minute to decide to eat
  it, but she not only ate that one, but 3 more.  Then she ate 3 or 4
  pieces of kibble!  My hopes were short lived though.

  I've been up with her most of the night.  She still doesn't want my
  attention.  She doesn't even want me to look at her, it's breaking
  my heart to say goodbye, and I guess it may be making it harder for
  her to go, although that is not my intention.  It's not like I
  don't want her to leave her body, I do.  I want her suffering to be
  over.  Yesterday, when I knew it was time, I called my Internist's
  office to see if Dr. Ortega would be willing to help her cross.
  Grace has always liked Dr. Ortega, and I thought she would be
  calmest with her.  Well, my Internist isn't going to be in the
  office until Friday.  It doesn't seem possible that Grace will
  still be here by then.  My stance has always been, that when I know
  it's the end, when I know that the chance of a recovery after
  treatment isn't possible, then it's time to help them cross.  Even
  though Grace is peaceful, (she just lays on her side and breathes
  shallow, but relaxed breaths), I have a hard time letting nature
  take it's course.  It's arrogant of me, but I can't stand seeing
  her like this.  I'm also so worried about her being in

(no subject)




I have repeatedly tried to get the practice of Dr. E 
A Boswell added to Ky and have failed. I have filled out the forms and I 
don't know of anything else to do. I am not complaining, just trying to 
provide a well respected source to those in Ky and adjoining areas. 
Can you assist me?Thanks.

Re: Vet Costs question

2005-09-24 Thread maimaipg




Thyroid meds are relatively inexpensive and alot of vets have 
Good Sam boxes (I put in Kitty's old meds when she has to change from one dose 
to another, when thereare meds left over or when a little one leaves and 
there are meds left behind--lots of people do this therefore the Good Sam box 
for people who need meds and have problems affording them). She should ask 
about them. I don't know allof the story but this is my 
suggestion. Unfortunately, while they are trying to get it regulated a cat 
has to be tested every so often.

Good luck.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 4:43 
  PM
  Subject: Vet Costs question
  
  My friend is panicking in relation to the possible vet costs that could 
  occur with the cat I was asking about - the one who has Hyperthyroid symptoms. 
  I told her to get thyroid liver and kidney function blood work done. She is 
  worried about how much that would cost as she couldn't afford a huge 
  bill.
  
  Does anyone have any idea how much a vet would usually charge for such 
  blood work and maybe thryoid treatment over in USA. She is somewhere in 
  Florida. I am urging her to get to the vet asap as this kittie is in desperate 
  need of blood work. I can't do much from the UK but she is just trying 
  antibiotics without veterinary input at the moment which concerns me.
  
  Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy  Angel 
Bramble

Re: Skin Problem

2005-09-25 Thread maimaipg




I know people who use it for various skin problems including 
fungus infections. It is soothing. I have no idea about using it on 
cats.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 1:58 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Skin Problem
  
  hmmm apple cidar? Never heard of it 
sorry

Re: FeLV diet

2005-09-25 Thread maimaipg




EVO cat food is now available and 
highly recommended by a couple of alternative vets I know. Really high in 
protein. Available at all the health food stores here and some of the 
vets.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Terri 
  Brown 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 3:02 
  PM
  Subject: Re: FeLV diet
  
  
  If your only options are places like Petsmart and Petco type places, then 
  I would recommend either Nutro or Royal Canin.
  
  I use Eagle Pack, and it is only available in certain places. Check 
  out www.eaglepack.com and see if there's a 
  vendor near you.
  
  Also, you could check out Precise foods. The link isn't working for 
  me at the moment, but it is supposed to be www.precisepet.com.
  
  Or tryCalifornia Natural, Innova, HealthWise, or Karma Organic 
  atwww.naturapet.com.
  
  There's also Wellness. It's available at a variety of on line 
  stores. You could do a websearch to find that one.
  
  I tried different foods, and Eagle Pack works best for my gang. If 
  I can't get to the specialty store near me to buy it, they like Royal Canin 
  and Nutro Indoor formula best.
  
  Good luck!
  
  Terri in NJ
  
  =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 
  furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec  Salome' 
  =^..^=
  
  Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My 
  FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My 
  Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350
  
- Original Message - 
From: gary 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 2:48 
PM
Subject: FeLV diet

Does anyone have any recommandations for a commercially available 
food?

Gary

Re: DR. Pitcairn's book

2005-09-25 Thread maimaipg




If that doesn't work try www.amazon.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 2:54 
  PM
  Subject: Re: DR. Pitcairn's book
  
  forget it I found both books on ebay and bid on 
them

Re: OT:PLS help for two things..

2005-09-27 Thread maimaipg

Have you tried an animal communicator?  Talking to one who has left can be
extremely helpful.
- Original Message - 
From: Steph E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: OT:PLS help for two things..

 Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:
  I am in Albuquerque, NM

 Too far for me to physically be any good! I'm in North Carolina, though
 I am coming west this winter to visit family.

 You've been in my thoughts often lately with your troubles. I can't
 bring myself to post much, no time lately (I work two jobs and have one
 FELV+ and one FIV+ a rescue horse and two healty horses), and I'm
 struggling with a kitty I lost last year that I'm not at peace with
 losing her, still after 10 months her death haunts me. I think it's a
 combination of exhaustion, depression, and she was my favorite of my
 animals...

 I hope all goes well and they let you keep all your furbabies.

 Steph

Re: Need encouragement, PLEASE

2005-10-12 Thread maimaipg

Just some thoughts.  Leave the door cracked all the time, not just at night.
Do not wash the bed again.  It needs to smell like a safe spot.  Besides, my
cats just don't like the scents added to laundry detergent, fabric
softeners, cat litter etc.  You may want to spray Feliway around the area
outside the door.  You may also want to talk to an animal communicator.  My
bet is the AC will give you a message something like this  she will tell
you how very grateful the little soul is but that she is an adult, not a
baby, and very capable of taking care of herself and making her decisions
and that she is thinking about coming back to you now that she has exerted
her independence.  The cat, like so many of mine, is teaching you a hard
lesson.how to love without possessing.  Keep your heart open and know
that you are doing all you can for this beautiful soul.  If you do this, she
may allow you to do more.  Realize that she is allowing it and paying you
great honor by doing so.  The Royal Princess Kitty has not been feral for 12
years or so.that does not stop her from sneaking out or wanting out
every so often.

Re the cat bite.  A feral did that to me.  Ripped the fingernail out and
broke the finger (she wighted 3-4 pounds soaking wet).  The hand surgeons
had a great time once I convinced them what really did happen.  I wad
emergency treatment within 15 minutes of the bite and still had to have a
second surgery.  All of this is ok.  The cat appeared fine the last time she
came to eat (here they disappear for long periods of time then remember
where there is easy food when the hunting is hard).  I mention this to
encourage anyone bitten by a cat to watch the wound very carefully and seek
medical help if at all possible.  I've been advised that bacteria can remain
in the very well tended wound and flare up months, even years, later.
Frankly, I am rather proud of the fact the cat had the guts to fight against
such odds.  Her spirit will serve her well.



- Original Message - 
From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: Need encouragement, PLEASE



 I agree with everyone else Patti.  You did what you could, and she
 knows where to come for food and shelter.

 My boyfriend once let a feral get out of the house once and I never saw
 her again.  I know it's upsetting, but things may still work out for
 her.  They do have a will of their own, and she may just be happier
 away from people.  :(

 tonya
 --- Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Patti,
 
  Don't despair.  Give her time.  You went above and beyond what most
  people would have, and this girl is better off because of you.  If
  she chooses to return, then she will.  In the meantime, I would send
  her positive, loving thoughts, and keep leaving food for her.  I'm
  sure she wasn't playing you -- if she is truly feral, then it's
  going to take a long time for her to want to be stationary.  She's
  used to being on the run.  If she was dumped, perhaps she is trying
  to find her way home, but she is confused about what home is.
 
  You did NOT let her down.  You love her.  Please don't give up on
  her, and don't give up on YOU.
 
  Big hugs to you.  Don't you give up!!!
 
  =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis,
  and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec 
  Salome' =^..^=
 
  Furkid Photos!
 
 http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/
  My FeLV Site:
 

http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/http://pagesivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/
  My Personal Page:
 

http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 6:58 PM
Subject: Need encouragement, PLEASE
 
 
Dear List,
I am feeling VERY downtrodden  blue.  I don't know what to do,
  where to turn.  I FEEL SO OVER-RIDDEN w/ guilt, I can't stop
  crying.
 
It's a long story, I will try to condense.
Kerry is a little familiar as she is also on the Four Paws Feral
  list, and also I have mentioned Charity's store on this list.
  (Although she is FELV-)
 
Early in July, some cruel, a**hole dumped a box under my neighbor's
  bushes which contained a young Mama  2, 5 week old kittens.
Needless to say, since the box was NOT secure, Mama escaped,
  (apparently to try to find her way HOME to the low-lifes that
  dumped her! I can not, nor will I EVER be able to understand the love
   dedication an innocent baby will demonstrate toward the sc*m that
  abused her!!!)
 
Anyway, I took the babies in, since they needed to be bottle fed 
  would have died if left to the elements, or predators.
Several days

Re: Re: Kitten with diarrhea

2005-10-16 Thread maimaipg

Try Fast track (a probiotic) and apple pectin.  The Fast Track works wonders
by reestablishing balance.
- Original Message - 
From: BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 4:06 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Kitten with diarrhea


 Any ideas for this lady in California?

 Thanks,Bonnie

  www.elephants.com

Re: Cat lover dying, 15 cats need homes ASAP New york area

2005-10-18 Thread maimaipg

There are ways of providing for them in your will and by way of trusts.  It
takes a creative lawyer but it can be done.  There are a number of books on
the subject too.  www.Amazon.com has some of them.  I, too, worry about
mine.  I watch how people don't keep their word to loved ones about care for
relatives and know I would have trouble believing these same people would
care for my critters.  Maybe this is a reality check for us all.


- Original Message - 
From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Cat lover dying, 15 cats need homes ASAP New york area



 Thank you for posting Tad.  I tried to reply but I think it got lost.
 I always worry about what would happen to my own animals if something
 happened to me...  I would probably have more than I do now if it
 wasn't for that worry.  I'm so glad someone helped a fellow rescuer.

 tonya

 --- Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Happy ending...These cats have all found homes...
  I had offered to help with a transport to a rescue group in Mass.
  that
  would take some if they couldn't find homes in NY...I just heard that
 
  they don't need the transport
  Tad
 
  catatonya wrote:
 
  The person with the cats is in new york.  She posted on a Georgia
  rescue list I'm on, and apologized that she was posting from so far
  away.
  
  I forwarded it to the group knowing that our felv group has members
  all
  over and might know of someone who could help her in the New York
  area.
  
  tonya
  
  --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
  Wow, I didn't know that - sorry I just had to say I don't think
  you're
  correct as to location.  Think we're all over the place, not just
  Georgia.  Thanks for the post...
  
  
  At 06:24 PM 10/12/2005, you wrote:
  
  
  
  I realize this group is mostly based in GA and surrounding areas,
  
  
  but
  
  
  ...

Re: Please Help NewMember I'm scared

2005-10-19 Thread maimaipg

I am so sorry for the  pain and confusion you must be having.  I am using
both colostrum (in the form of Just Born, a mother's milk substitute for new
born kittens) and transfer factor with my FeLV + cat.  I mix the transfer
factor in the Just Born and she loves it.  My alternative vet put my other
cat on Intrasound Powder because she was diagnosed with cancer.  The A V had
used the powder on her uncle who suffered for several years  with bladder
cancer.  He had no pain until his very last days.  She also uses Macro Force
(there are several other names for the same ingredients, I just don't know
what they are) to build the immune system. I chose not to do chemo on Kitty
(the one diagnosed with cancer) for a number of reasons, including, most
importantly, what she told 4 animal communicators she wanted/didn't want.
She is doing great.  My A V is Dr. E A Boswell, 502.499.9663.  She is in
Louisville, Ky and I think she will consult by phone.  If not, maybe she can
recommend someone in your area.  Dr. Boswell has helped me with several four
legged friends and helped Mai Mai (the most beautiful dog in the world) when
she was diagnosed with Auto Immune Hemophic Anemia (sp???).

Good luck.
- Original Message - 
From: Lynne Moquin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 11:24 PM
Subject: Please Help NewMember I'm scared


 Our cat Frodo has evident cancer because of huge,
 enlarged lymph nodes, abdomen and neck,  and an
 inhouse test at the vet today.
 Vet will recommend treatment options; another vet
 there interened with oncology.

 If our cat has had a severe campylobacter infection.
 lost a lot of weight and has been syringe fed already
 for a number of weeks, will chemo continue as the same
 sort of thing that we have to do ?

 I am so stunned I'm sure i don't know what to ask,
 i like holistic and supportive measures.

 I like homeopathy.

 Has anyone heard of success with homeopathy ? or with
 eg. colostrum or transfer factor ?

 Anything i could get right now for him ?

 Lynne
 many thanks please reply !!








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Re: Wrongful death of cat

2005-10-19 Thread maimaipg

Three suggestions:  Report the matter to the state vet association--not the
local one.  Contact the Texas version of the Attorney General's Office
Comsumer Protection Division (cats are property in most places-ok we
know better but the law doesn't).  Find out who, in the local media, is a
pet lover and have a long conversation with him/her/them.  Investigative
reporters and let me help reporters/columists can be a lot of help in
alerting the general public.
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:53 AM
Subject: Wrongful death of cat

 I had to post this because I couldn't believe what I was reading.
 It is FIV and not FeLV but still this place is supposed to be a humane
society and they would treat FeLV in the same way. The message came from a
lady on the FIV group and it really did sicken me. If anyone wants to post
her with advice I'll get her email address.

 hello,my name is angela and i am new to the group,sadly i join you under
bad cercumstances.i live in pasadena,texas and just yesterday i took my 6
month old cat to the houston humane society's wellness clinic to be tested
and recive his shots.they told me he tested positive for fiv and that it was
highly contagous and he could not live with it.they said i had to sign him
over to them to be put to sleep.i cant even begain to tell you how
devistated i was,so reluctintly i gave him to them. later on i was looking
around on the net and found out this was
 not true at all! i even call several vets they all informed me that i had
many options other than death.now i am even more devistated,why would the
houmane society do this? they never told me i had other options,had they i
never would have put him down,i am both heart broken and very mad.i am
trying to find out what action if any i can take to make sure they never do
this to another cat and person again! if you have any info or idea
please let me know,i could really use the help and support!
 thank you,angela

Re: Wrongful death of cat

2005-10-19 Thread maimaipg

I know my vets were relieved when I decided not to kill Dixie Louise because
she tested positive.  She was a throw away without a name when I took her in
to be spayed.  They tested her because I was going to take her to my farm
when the house is finished and, unfortunately, she tested positive.  They
kept her for a few days while I thought things out and found a way to keep
her away from Kitty and still not turn her loose with the other ferals/throw
aways.  She is living in the garage for the time being, doing very well and
they are working with me to keep her healthy.  They have been great.  Even
figured out how to spay her and take care of her post op without exposing
other cats or putting her in a kennel where she would hear dogs.  By the
way, she did not need to be spayed.  They could not find a spay scar but
humored me when I asked for a blood hormone test to make sure she was
intact.   She had been spayed by a previous caregiver.  The test is
expensive but well worth it for a cat that is FeLV + or has any other
problem that the stress of surgery could aggravate (providing there is some
reason to believe the cat may have been spayed).

  - Original Message - 
From: Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Wrongful death of cat


 The 1st time I brought a rescue in that tested POS my vet said that
 ethically
 he had to advise me to PTS...I didn't say anything for a minute and he
said
 he would give me a few minutes and walked out of the room...When he came
 back I said I don't think I can do that...He knew I had a number of NEG.
 cats in my house...I asked him what I could doHis face lit up and he
 sat down with me and work up a plan on how I could divide my house
 and keep the FeLV+ cats with very little risk to my NEG. cats

 I think most vets would rather not PTS healthy catsbut he did need
 to know that I was willing to make a commitment to prevent the spread
 of the disease
 I think some states have their own laws governing this tooAnd also
 read the fine print if you bring a cat to a vet using county backed money
 such as low cost neuter...You maybe signing away your rights to say
 no to PTS
 Tad

 Gloria Lane wrote:

  Me too...grab kitty and run.
 
  On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:38 AM, Cherie A Gabbert wrote:
 
  Great Suggestions, she definately needs to bring someones attention
  to this. I think if someone said I HAD to surrender any of my
  catsI would grab the cat and run...now that poses a pretty  funny
  picture in my mind ;-))
 
  maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three suggestions: Report
  the matter to the state vet association--not the
  local one. Contact the Texas version of the Attorney General's Office
  Comsumer Protection Division (cats are property in most places- 
  ok we
  know better but the law doesn't). Find out who, in the local media,
  is a
  pet lover and have a long conversation with him/her/them.
Investigative
  reporters and let me help reporters/columists can be a lot of help in
  alerting the general public.
  - Original Message -
  From:
  To:
  Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:53 AM
  Subject: Wrongful death of cat
 
 
   I had to post this because I couldn't believe what I was reading.
   It is FIV and not FeLV but still this place is supposed to be a
  humane
  society and they would treat FeLV in the same way. The message came
  from a
  lady on the FIV group and it really did sicken me. If anyone wants
  to post
  her with advice I'll get her email address.
  
   hello,my name is angela and i am new to the group,sadly i join  you
  under
  bad cercumstances.i live in pasadena,texas and just yesterday i  took
  my 6
  month old cat to the houston humane society's wellness clinic to be
  tested
  and recive his shots.they told me he tested positive for fiv and
  that it was
  highly contagous and he could not live with it.they said i had to
  sign him
  over to them to be put to sleep.i cant even begain to tell you how
  devistated i was,so reluctintly i gave him to them. later on i was
  looking
  around on the net and found out this was
   not true at all! i even call several vets they all informed me
  that i had
  many options other than death.now i am even more devistated,why
  would the
  houmane society do this? they never told me i had other options,had
  they i
  never would have put him down,i am both heart broken and very mad.i am
  trying to find out what action if any i can take to make sure they
  never do
  this to another cat and person again! if you have any info or idea
  please let me know,i could really use the help and support!
   thank you,angela
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
  Have a purrfect day
  Cherie

Re: Charity is back in area!!!!!!

2005-10-21 Thread maimaipg




Ebony Thomas Katt snarled and hissed at me the first year or 
so of the time we spent together. He was 3 + years and totally 
feral. blood and pus from the wounds he had ran down my legs (at first he 
was so weak I could touch him.) I got him fixed up then tried to get him 
to leave (I didn't like cats at all). Sixteen years later he diedin 
my arms on New Year's Eve.He had moved in with me, we moved to a new 
house together, he tolerated some pretty long absences (even though he had food 
and water provided daily, he didn't like itand let me know when I got 
home), irregular working hours and the addition of dogs to the house. 
Understand that Charity is a very independent cat who will take over your 
life. And will enrich it beyond belief. You have to let her do this 
in her way. Ebony went from very feral to being a house cat (although he 
had access to a 6 foot wide, 6 foot tall (and covered), 12 wide kennel any time 
he wanted it. He went through a pet door in a window, into duct work, onto 
a platformand down a ramp--if he didn't sleep in the duct work or on the 
platform). DO NOT push her or you may loose her. Treasure her and 
give her the independence she demands. You will be so glad you 
did.

 Original Message - 

  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 5:09 
  PM
  Subject: Charity is back in 
  area!!
  
  I am so, so excited! Just got back home  spotted my dear, 
  feral girl Charity in my neighbor's yard!
  I quietly attempted to approach her, and for quite a few minutes she 
  remained perched on the fence, just looking at me  listening to my 
  words.
  I KNOW SHE RECOGNIZED ME!!!
  Then, the other neighbor's yipper dog started barking  she spooked, 
  but is somewhere on neighbor's property.
  And, I checked the outdoor "house" I made for her, and all the food was 
  gone, the bed was slept in (could tell cause I put straw in house)
  AND, I almost cried when I saw she had carried "our feather plume" into 
  the bed w/her!!
  (This was the plume she "allowed" me to stroke her with.)
  So, I put fresh food, water  her favorite, TUNA, in both her house 
   I left the barn door ajar and set up bedding, same food  litter box 
  for her.
  I debated trapping her again, but I don't want to spook her  scare 
  ger awayI am so glad she is "home".
  I hope I do get the opportunity to somehow get her in the barn, then I'll 
  work on bringing her into the house. However, if she "truely" wants to be 
  an outside cat, there are many warm . dry places for her. (I put heat in the 
  barn.)
  So, everyone, thanks for your prayers  please pray she will 
  stay.
  I never thought I'd be so devastated over a cat who at first attacked me 
  every chance she got.. But, somehow we "made a connection"  hopefully she 
  is home for good!!
  
  Patti
  With Love 
  from Charity too

Re: A few questions

2005-10-21 Thread maimaipg




I am so sorry Casper spent such a short time with you. 
She has done a great job in making people aware of parasites and the death they 
can bring so quickly to little ones. Maybe that was the job she had in her 
short life. I am so glad she found love. Not every person can say 
that---certainly not every little cat.

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 7:42 
  PM
  Subject: Re: A few questions
  
  Gary,
  are you having fecals done? I rescue from the pounds and see that all the 
  time. For URI zithromax is my best friend. 
  The biggest killer of all time getting kittens in the pound is 
  parasites.which can lead to uri from lower immune system. I just lost my 
  little casper. we spent a fortune at the vet and couldn't save her. she was 
  5-6 weeks solid white.11:00 PM she was in her cage eating and screaming to get 
  out. 4am the next day. 29 hours later she was dead. she stopped eating gums 
  went white...we did sub q vet gave her antibiotic shots and anything else we 
  could think of. She had been given baycox and that didn't work she was on her 
  5th day of albon and clavamox. 
  Belinda can you add her to the candle light list. she wasn't positive we 
  know of but she died in my armsloved.
  
  see our 
  available orphans at:http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.htmlKaren 
  817-453-4888

Re: A few questions

2005-10-21 Thread maimaipg




I'm sure we all understand. And I am equally sure Casper 
is with her friends and your friends and angels who will guide her and keep 
her. She may even return to you one day. She is very grateful to 
leave this world loved and held and cared for. She was warm and 
loved. Know how very grateful she is and that she sends you her 
love. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:52 
  PM
  Subject: Re: A few questions
  
  Thanks for that post. Rescue little ones from the pound I lose too may. 
  feral kittens trapped are much healthier...its sad. 
  Please pray that my little casper found Baby C my positive. Baby C was my 
  very first rescue and very first positive. 
  After kitten season is over I will be looking for a positive to give a 
  forever home.
  Karen

Re: A few questions

2005-10-23 Thread maimaipg

The 2 month supply (1  cc every other day) supply I got from my vet was
$10.00.
- Original Message - 
From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: A few questions

 My vet used to prescribe it for uri in adults and kittens at our
 shelter.  She recommended we put them all in it due to stress and germs
 associated with shelter.  It was never done, of course, but she
 provided it.  Vet's get it very cheaply.

 tonya

 --- gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a few questions that may or may not actually be related to
  FeLV.  I am associated with a local humane society and we are have a
  rash of kittens just dying on us.  They all seem to be about the
  same, they are 3 to 8 weeks old and have symptons that appear like a
  URI with runny eyes and noses, loss of appitite and listless.  Those
  not eating are being syringe fed.  We have tried various meds and
  they just don't seem to respond and then their gums get very pale and
  shortly they die.  We had a rash like this earlier this year and had
  several necropsies done with nothing found.

  I know a number of you have a lot of experience taking care of very
  sick little guys and I would greatly appreciate any advice on what we
  can do to help these little ones.

  Is interferon A available without an RX?  Either way, where is the
  least expensive place to get it?  Can it be given to very young
  kittens?

  Thanks, Gary

Alternative Vet




I am trying to get the practise of Dr. E A Boswell , 2143 
Buechel Bank Road, louisville KY 40218 502.499.9663 added to 
the list of vets who use alternative treatments for FeLV (and other 
conditions). No vet is listed for Ky. and that can be very discouraging 
for people trying to help their four legged friends. I know of at 
least one other vet but do not have her permission (yet) to request that she be 
added. Can you assist me?

Dixie Louise's teeth




Dixie Louise is FeLV + and has gingivitis. She has 
lost a couple of teeth (maybe from the gingivitis or maybe from the poor living 
conditions she had--she was a throwaway). She has developed an odd odor to 
her breath. I am trying to brush her teeth and she is on Interferon as 
well as some homeopathic/alternative meds. Can anyone give me any advise 
on brushing a cat's teeth and on how to deal with this problem? She is 
about a year and a half old (best guess) and extremely sweet. 


Thanks

Re: Dixie Louise's teeth




I'm using the malt toothpaste (she likes the taste) with 
the tiniest toothbrush you have ever seen. The finger brush is too large 
for her mouth.I am supplementing that with using a bare finger and 
pet toothpaste. She had blood work done a few weeks ago and it looked 
really good. It also showed she had been spayed despite the fact the vets 
could find no scar. She was very happy I had the test run so she didn't 
get spayed twice. I have some L-Lysine here. I'll give that a 
try. Her urine output seems ok. She does have some alleries and that 
could be part of it I guess. I appreciate any help. Thanks. 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:41 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Dixie Louise's teeth
  
  Hi,
  
  I've never had success trying to brush a cat's teeth; mine all hate 
  it. Are you using the finger brush and the chicken or liver 
  toothpaste? If you are actually able to brush them, that is probably 
  helpful. 
  
  Is Dixie Louise taking L-Lysine? Sometimes mouth problems are due 
  to herpes virus infection and the Lysine would help; actually, if there is 
  anything viral going on, it would help. Has she had recent 
  bloodwork? Sometimessudden bad breath can related to problems with 
  the kidneys. Is her urinary output looking OK?
  Julie
  
  maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  



Dixie Louise is FeLV + and has gingivitis. She 
has lost a couple of teeth (maybe from the gingivitis or maybe from the poor 
living conditions she had--she was a throwaway). She has developed an 
odd odor to her breath. I am trying to brush her teeth and she is on 
Interferon as well as some homeopathic/alternative meds. Can anyone 
give me any advise on brushing a cat's teeth and on how to deal with this 
problem? She is about a year and a half old (best guess) and extremely 
sweet. 

Thanks"I hold that, 
  the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man 
  from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral 
  progress can be judged by the way its animals are 
  treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH 
  Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to 
  re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
  
  
  Yahoo! 
  FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

Re: Alternative Vet

Marylyn Pettey, Russell Springs, Ky.

I'd tried posting it myself and that didn't work and re-emailed you.  My bet
is at least one of our emails got lost (not unusal here at all).

Thanks.
- Original Message - 
From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Alternative Vet

Hello,
   I already wrote and told you how to post this vet, maybe you didn't
 get my email.  I have posted it under my user ID but it shows the state
 I live in as the psoting state which may confuse some people.

 Please send me your name, city and the state you live in and I will
 create you and account and repost it under your name.

 -- 
  Belinda
 Happiness is being owned by cats ...

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Re: Dixie Louise's teeth




Thanks. Gracie's teeth are just finenow and 
she is healthy and happy and still with you, just not in her body. I am 
very sureshe is thanking you for the love you gave her and is sending you 
more love than you ever knew possible.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:22 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Dixie Louise's teeth
  I used to use a diluted oral rinse on Gracie's teeth and 
  gums. I would dip a Q-tip in the water and rinse and then gently swab 
  her teeth at the gum line. I was giving her meds everyday, so it was 
  just part of our routine. I'd do one side of her mouth one day, the 
  other side the next. Sadly, Grace didn't live long enough to tell 
  whether it would have saved her teeth. I did notice that her gingivitis 
  was better (less red at the gum line), when I was giving her Interferon alpha 
  regularly.Ninamaimaipg wrote:
  


Dixie Louise is FeLV + and has gingivitis. She 
has lost a couple of teeth (maybe from the gingivitis or maybe from the poor 
living conditions she had--she was a throwaway). She has developed an 
odd odor to her breath. I am trying to brush her teeth and she is on 
Interferon as well as some homeopathic/alternative meds. Can anyone 
give me any advise on brushing a cat's teeth and on how to deal with this 
problem? She is about a year and a half old (best guess) and extremely 
sweet. 

Thanks

Re: Dixie Louise's teeth




I'll get some. The finger brush is much too big for 
her very small mouth. Thanks

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barb 
  Moermond 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:08 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Dixie Louise's teeth
  
  if the finger brush is too small and you're already using your finger - 
  get some sterile gauze to wrap around your finger when you use it on her 
  teeth. That works well.maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  

I'm using the malt toothpaste (she likes the taste) 
with the tiniest toothbrush you have ever seen. The finger brush is 
too large for her mouth.I am supplementing that with using a 
bare finger and pet toothpaste. She had blood work done a few weeks 
ago and it looked really good. It also showed she had been spayed 
despite the fact the vets could find no scar. She was very happy I had 
the test run so she didn't get spayed twice. I have some L-Lysine 
here. I'll give that a try. Her urine output seems ok. She 
does have some alleries and that could be part of it I guess. I 
appreciate any help. Thanks. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:41 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Dixie Louise's 
  teeth
  
  Hi,
  
  I've never had success trying to brush a cat's teeth; mine all hate 
  it. Are you using the finger brush and the chicken or liver 
  toothpaste? If you are actually able to brush them, that is probably 
  helpful. 
  
  Is Dixie Louise taking L-Lysine? Sometimes mouth problems are 
  due to herpes virus infection and the Lysine would help; actually, if 
  there is anything viral going on, it would help. Has she had recent 
  bloodwork? Sometimessudden bad breath can related to problems 
  with the kidneys. Is her urinary output looking OK?
  Julie
  
  maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



Dixie Louise is FeLV + and has gingivitis. 
She has lost a couple of teeth (maybe from the gingivitis or maybe from 
the poor living conditions she had--she was a throwaway). She has 
developed an odd odor to her breath. I am trying to brush her 
teeth and she is on Interferon as well as some homeopathic/alternative 
meds. Can anyone give me any advise on brushing a cat's teeth and 
on how to deal with this problem? She is about a year and a half 
old (best guess) and extremely sweet. 

Thanks"I hold 
  that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto 
  protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a 
  nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are 
  treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH 
  Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to 
  re-think your decision to acquire a pet. 
  
  
  Yahoo! 
  FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. 
  Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito 
  Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. 
  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - 
  Anonymous
  
  
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Re: My baby Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement

Have you tried Feliway and Rescue Remedy when taking Cricket to the
vet's?  Both work wonders.  Black cats are very regal (read their way or
the highway) but they can be persuaded to cooperate.  I would suggest an
animal communicator talk to Cricket and explain what is happening.  Cricket
does not see the benefits, just the pain, especially since the last trip.
- Original Message - 
From: wendy walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:15 PM
Subject: My baby Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement

 Hi my name is Wendy.  I live in Texas.  I have a black
 cat named Cricket; he's 4 yrs., 5 mo's. old and a
 great cat.  He absolutely hates the vet, so the last
 time I took him was about two years ago when he got
 really sick.  They told me they couldn't tell his
 actual temperature because it was all the way to the
 end of the thermometer.  It took virtually the whole
 staff to give him an injection of antibiotics and take
 his blood, after they broke two needles off in his
 back.  The vet said that he tested positive for FeLV.
 When I figured out that the vet hadn't given him any
 fluids intraveneously for 18 hours after I had asked
 him to (Cricket wasn't eating or drinking on his own),
 I took him home and with the help of antibiotics and
 syringe-feeding and a lot of love, he made it back to
 life.  The vet told me he'd never seen a cat that sick
 come back.  He's been fine for two years.  At the end
 of September, we had a houseful of family during
 Hurricane Rita and shortly after that, I noticed that
 Cricket wasn't quite making it when he jumped onto the
 cabinets to drink water out of the sink.  He started
 eating kitty litter and wasn't eating as much.  He
 began to walk slowly and when he came up to me and
 meowed (he never meows), I knew something was wrong.
 The (new) vet prescribed Clavamox without seeing
 Cricket because of his stressful history when visiting
 the vet.  After two days on the medicine, he seemed to
 be doing better, but a couple of days later, I noticed
 how white his mouth was and started doing some
 research.  Well, as many of you already know because
 you've done this drill, things are looking grim for
 Cricket.  We have an appointment at the vet in a
 couple of hours and it's all I can do to stay at work.
  I know whatever ends up happening is going to happen,
 but I can't help but keep thinking and worrying about
 him.  I am normally pretty logical and level-headed,
 but I cried all day yesterday after reading all the
 negative information about anemia and FeLV.  I do have
 some hope however.  I am hoping the vet will know
 about Immuno-Regulin or even better, Virbagen Omega,
 which is a Feline Omega Interferon.  Both are supposed
 to help immensely with boosting the immune system.  I
 really don't know how the vet is going to be able to
 take Cricket's blood to find out what the numbers are
 so we can treat him for the anemia; Cricket gets so
 crazy.  He may end up being his own worst enemy.  I
 just wanted to ask if anyone has had any success with
 their cats taking these drugs?  Also, if anyone
 reading this will pray for Cricket and that the vet
 will be a good one and that we can get Cricket back to
 normal for as long as we can.  I promised that I would
 not allow Cricket to suffer for selfish reasons, but I
 don't want to end his life prematurely either.  Pray
 for wisdom for the vet and for me.  And thank you all
 so much.  I was relieved to find this site.

 __
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 http://farechase.yahoo.com

Re: praying for my Ginger

Title: Message

When Ebony didn't want to eat I gave him valium to work up
the appetite...don't know why it works on cats that way but it sure did on
him.

- Original Message -
From:
Hideyo Yamamoto
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:05
PM
Subject: RE: praying for my Ginger

Thank you, Kerry..
she lost appetite as she became in heat.. but I am not sure if its the sole
reason.
I just wish I could
do more for her!

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry
N.Sent: Monday, October 24,
2005 4:57 PMTo:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: praying for my
Ginger

I'm sending cyberhugs
and healing vibes for your sweet Ginger, Hideyo. I know how distressing it is
when our little furballs lose their appetite. I'm glad she is at least eating
what you give her.

Has she got a cold by
any chance (and therefore can't smell?).

love and hugs,
Kerry
-Original
Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:43
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: praying for my
Ginger
Hi, everyone I need
your prayers and good healing vibes for my baby Ginger she is not eating
again its been over a week now I have been force feeding her everyday
she does not act sick, but she stopped eating like she forgot to
eat! She is very fragile and I am very worried about her!
Please pray for her that she will start eating and will start feeling
better! Thank you very much!

Hideyo
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Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!

2005-10-25 Thread maimaipg

atropine dries the mouth and other secretions.  I'm really not sure about
the painkiller part--bet against it though.
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!

 I've heard of atropine, but wasn't sure what it was for...did a quick
 Google check, but couldn't quite deciper the medical-speak!  :)
 Sounds like it's a kind of pain killer, though...and I found this tid-
 bit kinda interesting:

 Atropine extracts from the Egyptian henbane were used by Cleopatra in
 the last century B.C. to dilate her pupils, in the hope that she would
 appear more alluring. In the Renaissance, women used the juice of the
 berries of Atropa belladonna to enlarge the pupils of their eyes, for
 cosmetic reasons; 'belladonna' is Italian for 'beautiful lady'.

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 each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and
 what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --
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 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:17 am
 Subject: Re: anesthesia question

  Yes, she did have a pain killer shot. Maybe that was it.  She got
  atropine,
  which is what they said dilated her eyes-- is that the pain killer
  or
  something else?
  Thanks,
  Michelle

  In a message dated 10/24/2005 10:15:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Did they  administer any kind of pain killer?  Our Pips had a
  slightly
  similar  reaction after his pain killer injection...dilated
  pupils,
  and just  generally rolling around obsessively...I could tell the
  pain
  killer was  good stuff... :)

Re: Mandy Update, Welcome, For Hideyo

2005-10-25 Thread maimaipg




Threesuggestions: Discuss her wishes with 
her.either by yourself or with the assistance of an animal 
communicator. Get the powered Just Born and mix it stronger (more powder) 
that the instructions suggest. Listen to your heart. Not any 
one. Mandy will talk to your heart.



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:57 
  AM
  Subject: Mandy Update, Welcome, For 
  Hideyo
  
  Dear Friends,
  
  I wanted to welcome all the new folks to the list; as I'm sure you've 
  been told, it's always bittersweet. We're sorry you're dealing with 
  FeLV, but you will never find a group of more wonderful, knowledgeable, 
  compassionate people. 
  
  For everyone dealing with sickness, I send you hugs and nothing but good 
  wishes for kitties to be comfortable and make a good recovery.
  
  Mandy has begun to go downhill rather suddenly. She has lost the 
  verve of her personality and is not finding any food much to her liking, 
  except, and Hideyo, this may interest you for Ginger: Enfamil. Yes, 
  human infant formula. I would not use it regularly because the 
  vitamin/mineral ratio is too high in some cases for kitties, but I'm not 
  exactly concerned with Mandy's longevity at this point. She doesn't want 
  Just Born or KMR anymore, so I decided to try Enfamil and she is eating as 
  best she can and seems to like it. Hideyo, it might be worth a try for 
  Ginger to see if it will kick-start her appetite. The tumor in Mandy's 
  mouth is growing and she is having obvious difficulty swallowing any 
  non-liquid. She wants me to hold and stroke her (taps me when I stop) or 
  to sit on my shoulder if I lay down, but she has virtually stopped purring and 
  is beginning to hunch. She has lost almost all the hair on her 
  chest and inner front arms.I see her now starting to act as though 
  she feels unwell. I have never been so conflicted about the decision to 
  end life. Both my regular vet and the oncologist we saw last week 
  suggested in rather sublte ways that I need to consider it. Well, duh. 
  Obviously I need to consider it since everyone has agreed she is 
  terminal. She just seemed so herself (happy and interested) regardless 
  of how she looked. Until this weekend; it's been obvious her condition 
  is worsening and I can't allow her to suffer. I am having a terrible 
  time letting go of my sweet girl; I would give anything I posess to save her, 
  but nothing can be done. My heart is broken and I have decisions 
  to make. Please keep Mandy in your thoughts. 
  
  Love to all, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a 
  creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of 
  man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged 
  by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi 
  (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about 
  de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
  
  
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Re: Dixie Louise's teeth

2005-10-27 Thread maimaipg




She had blood work done the first part of 
October. The missing teeth were missing when I first had her 
examined. I have no clue what her history is. The blood work did 
show that she had been spayed. She kept telling me and some animal 
communicators I know that she "had been to the vet's before and didn't 
like it one bit" (we all interpreted that to mean she had been spayed). My 
vet ran the test even though he was convinced she had not been spayed (no 
scar). Anyway, she has been someone's cat and, for reasons unknown, found 
herself on her own. I have her on interferon for the teeth. I just 
got some amoxi ...she has allergies and with the weather changes here I felt she 
might be developing a cold. I'll be returning to Louisville next 
week and will have her rechecked. (Earlier if there is a significant 
change of course.) 

Thanks for the information. And the good 
wishes.


- Original Message - 

  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:09 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Dixie Louise's teeth
  
  I had two cats with constant mouth problems that my vet tested for 
  'bartonella'. She put them on an antibiotic for it which helped. 
  Felv positive cats often have mouth problems in general. You said she 
  has lost teeth. Did you mean the vet pulled them? Either way, how 
  long has it been since a vet checked her teeth.
  
  I have a separate negative cat who had to have most of his teeth pulled 
  at a very young age. Basically every year they had to pull more and 
  more.
  
  I would have the vet check her out for stomasitis (spelling?) and 
  bartonella for sure.
  
  Bad breath is also a sign of kidney failure. Of course that's 
  pretty unlikely in such a young cat, but bloodwork can show if the kidneys are 
  involved. I had another cat who had chronic kidney disease from a very 
  young age due to just being born with small kidneys..
  
  Good luck with Dixie Louise.
  
  tonyamaimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



Dixie Louise is FeLV + and has gingivitis. She 
has lost a couple of teeth (maybe from the gingivitis or maybe from the poor 
living conditions she had--she was a throwaway). She has developed an 
odd odor to her breath. I am trying to brush her teeth and she is on 
Interferon as well as some homeopathic/alternative meds. Can anyone 
give me any advise on brushing a cat's teeth and on how to deal with this 
problem? She is about a year and a half old (best guess) and extremely 
sweet. 

Thanks

Re: My Beautiful Mandy and Julie

2005-10-27 Thread maimaipg




You are right not to force him and frighten him--all it 
does is cause extra stress. Have you tried an alternative vet? I 
urge you to think about it. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barb 
  Moermond 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:26 
  PM
  Subject: Re: My Beautiful Mandy and 
  Julie
  
  Oh Julie,
  I'm sending all the GLOW at my disposal to you and Jazzy... 
  Lighting his path to the Bridge and easing your heartache. Your 
  description of him under the covers with you reminds me of my Bandit; he's my 
  sleepin buddy, on my hip or under the covers:). Praying that Jazzy's 
  journey is smooth and peaceful and with you by his side to see him off. 
  Our thoughts and love are with you both...
  
  HUGS
  
  PS, good to meet you, but so very sorry about why you had to find 
  usMatchett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  



Dearest Julie,

 My heart goes out to you and 
your husband, I'm so terribly sorry for your loss. My name is also Julie. I 
discovered this group last weekend, after getting the devasting news that my 
beloved cat Jazzer is sick with FeLV. I haven't had the heart to post 
anything yet, but I've followed everyone's comments and especially yours 
because our situations so closely echo each other. Jazzy started going 
downhill two weeks ago, and after taking him to the vet twice, they finally 
made the diagnosis on Saturday. I have cried my heart out since that time, 
but am trying to put on a brave face for Jazzy's sake. The vet suggested 
putting him to sleep, but I just couldn't bear the thought of that. I've 
brought him home now, and he spends most of his time in a cardboard box in 
the bedroom closet, where he seems to be fairly content. He's still purring 
softly when I pet him, but shows no interest in food and not much more in 
drinking water. The vet prescribed Prednisone for him to try and stimulate 
his appetite. He fought us tooth and claw with the pills - he hates getting 
things crammed down his throat (I can't blame him - he's always been such an 
independent kitty) and we tried a liquid suspension formula with no luck 
either. I decided last night to stop the treatment because it doesn't seem 
to be helping much, if at all. It was breaking my heart to see him struggle 
so, and when I'd go into cuddle him, he'd sort of cringe away from me - I 
don't want him to spend the little time he has left with me being scared. 
Part of me really can't believe this is happening - I'm not ready to let my 
Jazzy cat go. He's been my greatest love for the past 11 years, my 
confidante, my friend and a part of my soul. I go to bed at night, and I 
keep expecting him to jump up and nudge my face like he does in the middle 
of the night, to let him under the covers. He's slept with me faithfully 
every night for years and I'm so used to falling asleep with his soft little 
purr in my ear and his warmth against my body. My heart is absolutely 
breaking apart...I want to thank you all for this support group - after 
reading all your posts, I can't think of a more supportive, warm, caring 
group of people. Even behind the scenes, you have all been a source of 
comfort to me, knowing that there are other people in this world who are 
feeling and coping with the same things that I am right now. God bless you 
all, keep your kitties safe and loved, give them tons of hugs and velvet paw 
kisses, and please, please, pray for my little Jazzy cat. Love to all, 
JulieBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito 
  Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. 
  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - 
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Re: My Calico Kitty Angels

2005-10-29 Thread maimaipg




The more I read of this little ones dying for no good 
reason, the more grateful I am for my own vets. I know Dixie Louise would 
have been executed for no good reason by a lot of people. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Laura Stamps 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 11:13 
  AM
  Subject: My Calico Kitty Angels
  
  Hi, Everyone--
  
  Pam Jackson of Carocats in Columbia, SC, has been 
  kind enough to tell you all about the feral colony of cats and 
  kittens(some positive, some negative for felv) that I have been caring 
  for and trying to find homes for. At the moment we are slowly testing 
  and spaying them all. I say slowly because my heat pump (air 
  conditioner/heating unit)in my house is rusting out and needs to be 
  replaced. They are putting a new one in on Tuesday and Wednesday, which 
  includes ripping out all the old ductwork under the house, to the tune of 
  $6100.00. So my feral cat funds are limited.
  
  We are trying to find homes for the positive and 
  negative ones, and if you know anyone looking for a very sweet, pretty new cat 
  or kitten send them this link www.bemikitties.com/carocats/pg7.html
  
  Pam also mentioned my new book, THE YEAR OF THE 
  CAT: NEW POEMS ($12.95), which just came out this fall. It is my 30th 
  book(I am a poet by profession) and has been nominated for the Pulitzer 
  Prize. It has also been chosen to appear in the New Media section of the 
  January issue of Cat Fancy magazine. The second section of the book 
  tells the story in poems of how I came to care for these sweet feral 
  cats. You can find more info on itat www.kittyfeatherpress.blogspot.com, 
  www.apbooks.net, and www.amazon.com. A percentage of the 
  sales of all my books go to animal rescue shelters and homeless 
  shelters. If you live in South Carolina I have two book signings coming 
  up. One at Waldenbooks at Dutch Square Mall in Columbia, SC, from 
  2:00-5:00 on November 26. And another at Waldenbooks at Columbiana Mall 
  in Columbia, SC, from 1:00 - 4:00 on December 3. Both are on 
  Saturdays.
  
  I mention all of this because I want to tell you 
  the story of the two calico twin kittens that Pam also mentioned a few days 
  ago. We didn't test the kitties originally for felv because they are all 
  so fat and happy and energetic, no runny eyes or noses, and eat like 
  hogs. A very nice lady called Pam and wanted a calico kitten to be an 
  outdoor cat with her two other mature cats at her home which sits on 7 
  acres. Pam didn't have one that could be an outdoor cat at the time, but 
  both of the calico kittens I had were tree climbers and live in the woods 
  behind my house, so we thought it would be a good match. I had raised 
  these kittens on my porch since they were 5 weeks old when their mother first 
  brought them to see me, so they were tame. Now they were 3 and a half 
  months old and gorgeous. The lady decided to take both when she heard 
  they were twins, and I thought all went well until I got a message two days 
  later on my answering machine from her sadly telling me the kittens were 
  dead. She had taken them to her vet, and they had both tested positive 
  for felv, and he suggested to her that they should be put down 
  immediately. I was devastated because if I had been called first I would 
  have taken them back in a second. The next day was the first signing for 
  my book at Books on Main in Newberry, SC. I had cried all day after I 
  received that message, and it was all I could do to get it together to do the 
  book signing the next day. But I kept thinking of my precious calico 
  kittens as my kitty angels that had come back to me and would be with me at 
  the book signing and forever. And I believe they were.
  
  From the fist moment I heard they were gone I 
  began to write a poem calledWEDNESDAY about them as a memorial so they 
  wouldn't be forgotten. I sent a copy of it to Pam when I finished, and 
  she mentioned it in one of her emails about my feral colony. When I take 
  some of these cats in to get them ready for adoption I keep them in the 
  bathroom next to the kitchen. There I give them baths and flea 
  treatments and train them to use the litter box, etc. What was 
  particularly hard for me was the fact I had spent the day before in that 
  bathroom doing all this with the calico twins and telling them how lucky they 
  were to be going to such a wonderful new home. I had no idea I was 
  sending them to their death. Here is the poem I wrote (I named the 
  tinykitten Rosebud and the chubby one Azalea). I am 
  includingthis poemfor those of you who have gone though a similar 
  experience or who have lost a precious fur child recently. I hope it 
  makes you feel better. Much love to you 
  all, Laura
  
  WEDNESDAY
  
  (c) Laura Stamps
  
  Almost four months old, 
  ruddy as rosebuds or azaleas, 
  they scuffled on the porch 
  every evening, the

Re: cat and dog fur

2005-10-31 Thread maimaipg

Stop buying furs period and fake furs of unknown or questionable origin.
Like the tome says...fur belongs on beautiful animals and ugly people.
- Original Message - 
From: Lisa Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:24 AM
Subject: RE: cat and dog fur

 Hi Bonnie,
   That is terrible, how could they do that...But what can we do? Lisa

 -Original Message-
 From: BONNIE J KALMBACH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:25 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: cat and dog fur

 The Phillippines is also a source of cat fur. The ABC video showed a
 fur operation there. In a cage that had been full of cats, the last
 two terrified-looking cats were clinging to one another as workers
 took them out one by one and strangled them in front of the other
 cats. These cats knew what their fate was. The film was shown over a
 year ago but it's all coming back now. I wrote a letter to the
 Phillippine embassy; someone there wrote back denying it was happening
 and indignantly demanded to know the address of the factory. The video
 had only said this was happening in the Phillippines but I hope they
 got plenty of other letters.

 I think the Burlington Coat factory was one chain mentioned that was
 selling dog and cat fur trimmed coats. A lot of the coat labels had
 names of made-up animals like Russian ard-wolf.

 Many people don't want to hear about the horrible things animals go
 through; they think nothing can be done but we have to keep bringing
 it up - it only takes a few dedicated people to start changes in the
 way we think and do things...it always has, as someone once said.

 Bonnie in WI

 - Original Message -
 From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sunday, October 30, 2005 4:33 pm
 Subject: Re: Chinese cat and dog fur

  Isn't it odd how people talk about someone behaving like an
  animal when
  they behave in a particulary nasty way.
  No animal is capable of the horrors perpetrated by humans.
  I would like to see a huge campaign mounted to encourage a boycott of
  Chinese goods until they shape up. Since half the stuff we buy
  these days
  seems to come from China it would have to give them pause.
  On the other hand there probably isn't a single country in the
  world that
  treats animals with respect.
  I like to think that one day people will look back at the way we
  behavetowards animals as they look at slavery today---and wonder
  how we could
  possibly have thought it was ok to use, abuse, eat and wear them.
  Kerry

Re: [Felvtalk] update on Spanky - chest fluid

2010-11-24 Thread MaiMaiPG

Follow your heart and you will not go wrong.  Quality of life is the  
most important thing and I suspect it is the most important thing for  
Spanky.  He is lucky you have a clue.  Bless both of you.  Enjoy the  
time you have together.

On Nov 24, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Sara Kasteleyn wrote:

Bless your heart, Stacy.  You are doing everything you possibly can  
for him.

I'll keep you both in my prayers.  Sending positive light,  Sara


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Stacy Zacher
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 1:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] update on Spanky - chest fluid

Hi everyone:

I was able to get Spanky in to the internal med specialist/oncologist
this morning. She reviewed his xrays and did an ultrasound and said
Spanky has a  mediastinal 3cm mass in front of his heart.  This is  
what

is causing the fluid. She said there isn't that much fluid actually it
is more the mass pushing on everything.  They offered to drain the
fluids but she didn't think it was causing any major distress at the
moment. She said the mass was not consistent with what lymphoma looks
like but was more globular and they could take a sample and send it in
but I elected not to put him through that. If it is a tumor, it is a
tumor.



She said I can give rutin but she didn't think that would help
this type of fluids. she recommended I stop giving him immune support
and give prednisolone to try to shrink the mass and give him some  
breathing

room.
I know about all the issues that come with giving him pred being felv
with no immune system but my gut says try it. She said if I didn't try
it, he could have a few days and more fluid, if I try it and it works
and offers him more comfort for now great, if I try it and he gets  
CHF,

he can be tapped or theb we know it just may not work.  In any case, I
didn't get him tapped and will just have to see how he'll do on the
pred.




Also I could do the coq10 still.  She said his heart looked good on  
the

ultrasound but of course I have
to watch his breathing. He was diagnosed as early-HCM and last
ultrasound he had showed no change in the status so I have fingers
crossed.  If I don't try it, I think he will have only days.  If I do
try it and it works he will have a bit of quality maybe. If I try it
and he goes into CHF I know he has hours.  Either way I think it is  
all

a crapshoot at this point.
Thanks to everyone on the lists for support and advice.

Spanky and Stacy

stacy_zac...@yahoo.com



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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLv alternative treatment

2010-12-11 Thread MaiMaiPG

I'm not sure what the question is but Dr. EA Bosewell 502-499-9663  
worked wonders with Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP.  She has her DVM  
degree but choses to practice alternative medicine including  
acupuncture, herbs etc.  She does phone consultations.  My regular  
vets sent me to her when I had a beagle with some issues.  She has  
seen every live in critter since then.  I credit her help for the fine  
shape Copper and Thomas are in and the quality of life Dixie had.  She  
is in Louisville Ky.

On Dec 9, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Natalie wrote:


So far, I have come across only these alternatives from Dr. McDougall.

Hasn't someone posted some herbal stuff, a tonic, a few months ago?



http://www.herbal-treatments.net/alternative-cat-treatments/leukemia-virus-f
elv.html  - at the very bottom, herbal treatments are suggested. You  
can

contact them regarding these herbs; I have.



http://www.catconnection.net/care/flv.php  - very basic info on FeLV



Natalie

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Re: [Felvtalk] www.herbal-treatments.net

2010-12-11 Thread MaiMaiPG

Betty (EA Bosewell) put Dixie on some supportive drops that improved  
her quality of life.  Until a week or so before she left this world  
she was healthy and happy.  Taling to her might give some ideas.  She  
put Allie, Mai Mai, Dixie, Kitty, Copper, Thomas and Bob on a variety  
of supplements.

On Dec 11, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Natalie wrote:

I sent a link about this group the other day; I also wrote to them,  
asking
about support for immune systems of FeLV/FIV cats.  This is in  
Australia, so
I doubt that it would be feasible to order from them.  I'll find out  
if

there are similar things available closer to home.

This is what I received from them:

Dear Natalie,

Yes, indeed the mix will be fine for both groups.

FIV, Feline immunodeficiency virus is the cause of feline AIDS, it  
is not
the same virus as HIV, the cause of human AIDS. It is a virus, much  
like
feline leukemia, which causes an impaired immune system. It can be a  
fatal

disease, and because it lowers an animal's immune system, secondary
infections like pneumonia, lymphoma, anemias or other infections  
usually
cause the pet's death. However its possible for a FIV-positive cat  
to live

for many years without any signs of illness.

Risk factors for FIV include age, gender, illness, and time spent  
outdoors.
Older cats are more likely to be infected as are more aggressive  
male cats
that may roam and fight with other cats. Sick cats and free roaming  
cats are

much more likely to have FIV. Transmission is primarily via deep,
penetrating bite wounds.

These factors make Feline AIDS quite common and generally is passed on
through cats saliva. This is good reason to make sure cats are  
locked up at

night. There is a vaccination that can be given (to prevent the cat
contracting the disease) and I am sure that your vet has explained  
this to

you.

FIV is really a problem of the immunity and as a herbalist I can
dramatically improve the Cat's immune system. This without  
compromising any

other medication.

Obviously FIV also affects organs within the body, namely the blood  
and
lymphatic systems. On top of this the medications commonly  
prescribed also

place a heavy load on the metabolism in general.

I can prepare tonics which support the critical organs and systems  
within

the body.

There will be three mixes in the program.

1. I would recommend in the first instance a course of my Maritime  
Pine

Antioxidant. ( $85 100mls - 3 months supply for 2 cats)
http://www.herbal-treatments.net/cat-prescriptions/aids-immunideficiency-vi
rus-fiv-support.html
http://www.herbal-treatments.net/cat-prescriptions/aids-immunideficiency-vir
us-fiv-support.html

2. I can also make up a special mix to help manage the FIV symptoms.  
This
mix includes Violet Leaves, Comfrey, Nettle, Echinacea, Hypericum  
along with

Pine , Centaury and Gorse. ( $65 100mls- 3months supply 2 cats)

3. FIV can very well cause a respiratory infection cause by the HIV  
virus
breaking his immunity down and would respond well to my Human Family  
Flu


(This mix is really effective in these instances if lung/colds/flu  
etc- $65

100mls 6months supply)

5 drops twice per day mixed into smelly food like sardines or  
something to
get her started will clear the infection and if continued will build  
up the
immunity. It would all be fixed within half the bottle. Cats will  
need to be
kept inside of a night time and of course during winter to make sure  
they

are at less risk of contracting any secondary infections.

Catherine McDowell-Herbalist

www.herbal-treatments.net www.kellosheilpark.com.au

52 Keppel Street

Bathurst 2795

AUSTRALIA

+61 2 6331 3937 (Dispensary)

+61 2 6332 6799 (Clinic)

ORDER LINK; Herbal Products for Cats

http://www.herbal-treatments.net/cat-prescriptions.html

ORDER LINK;  Special Mixes.

https://www.herbal-treatments.com.au/cgi-bin/order_main.html

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Re: [Felvtalk] Newbie

2010-12-12 Thread MaiMaiPG

Where in Kentucky are you?  I ask because I live there and have a  
holistic vet that consults by phone if you can't get to the office.   
She uses supplements that helped with Dixie's quality of life and have  
helped with Copper, Thomas and Bob.  Copper and Thomas are negative  
but came from a pine thicket where the hawks were waiting for them to  
get a little bigger before they invited them to dinner.

On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:28 PM, Katy Doyle wrote:

Hey, I just wanted to introduce myself. I am Katy and I have two FeLV 
+ cats. I live in Kentucky.


I have worked in animal rescue for about a year and a half, since I  
graduated college in 2009. I found a 5-week old kitten, Buddy,  
abandoned in a gulley next to a parking lot, summer of '09. He  
tested positive for the FeLV blood test and tested positive again  
several months later.


He is very healthy and is very playful. I felt very bad that he was  
alone all the time, when I saw on one of my animal rescue networks  
that another FeLV+ cat needed a home. So I took her in, het name is  
Chloe.


So far, they are healthy and active. The only way I can tell that  
they have FeLV is that they test positive and they get sick easily.


Vets in area told me to put them asleep now, even though they are  
healthy. Small town vets don't seem to be very educated on the FeLV  
subject.


Reading all the emails lately have given me a lot of hope and I  
really appreciate this email list. Thanks for sharing your  
experiences!


---Katy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Newbie

2010-12-13 Thread MaiMaiPG

Betty Boswell is my all time pick.  502-499-9663.  She is in  
Louisville.  Susan Maier (Horizon) is in Simpsonville.  Susan studied  
under Betty.  Both have DVM's but have chosen to practice holistic  
medicine.  I drive to Louisville (120 miles one way) to take my  
critters to Middletown Animal Hospital 502-245-9311.  All of the vets  
there are the greatest and celebrated when I took death off the table  
when I took Dixie to them.


Needless to say, I consider all of these people worth my time and  
Frankfort is a lot closer.   Betty and MAC have evening hours.


If you chose to take your little ones, mention that Marylyn sent you.

Good luck.


On Dec 13, 2010, at 6:57 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:


Sorry, hit send before I was ready..,

I'm in Frankfort and I am very interested in seeing a holistic vet.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 12, 2010, at 11:39 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

Where in Kentucky are you?  I ask because I live there and have a  
holistic vet that consults by phone if you can't get to the  
office.  She uses supplements that helped with Dixie's quality of  
life and have helped with Copper, Thomas and Bob.  Copper and  
Thomas are negative but came from a pine thicket where the hawks  
were waiting for them to get a little bigger before they invited  
them to dinner.

On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:28 PM, Katy Doyle wrote:

Hey, I just wanted to introduce myself. I am Katy and I have two  
FeLV+ cats. I live in Kentucky.


I have worked in animal rescue for about a year and a half, since  
I graduated college in 2009. I found a 5-week old kitten, Buddy,  
abandoned in a gulley next to a parking lot, summer of '09. He  
tested positive for the FeLV blood test and tested positive again  
several months later.


He is very healthy and is very playful. I felt very bad that he  
was alone all the time, when I saw on one of my animal rescue  
networks that another FeLV+ cat needed a home. So I took her in,  
het name is Chloe.


So far, they are healthy and active. The only way I can tell that  
they have FeLV is that they test positive and they get sick easily.


Vets in area told me to put them asleep now, even though they are  
healthy. Small town vets don't seem to be very educated on the  
FeLV subject.


Reading all the emails lately have given me a lot of hope and I  
really appreciate this email list. Thanks for sharing your  
experiences!


---Katy

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Re: [Felvtalk] how to know if your only needs a friend?

Consider what you would want if you were Whimsy.  I don't know about  
another version but would you rather have a buddy even if your life  
was a little shorter?  I can't answer that for you.  I can tell you  
quality of life is very important to me and my family--both 2 legged  
and 4 legged.


If I were considering a partner, I would probably look for a female  
(spayed) and maybe younger but who knows  Whimsy may have other  
ideas.  For reasons unknown, I have been blessed with animals who  
accepted each other.  It hasn't mattered whether they were dogs or  
cats..I have been blessed.  Follow your heart and ask your cat.

On Dec 15, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Emeraldkittee wrote:

Whimsy is adapting perfectly to being indoor only!  (someone here  
said 'you control the door', and it was that simple.  a few  
protests, an escape due to a foggy glass door, but overall very  
smooth transition)  I'm watching him closely to make sure he isn't  
lonely.


I did see him attack another feral who was taking 'his' yard, a few  
months after he was fixed.  Obviously that doesn't necessarily mean  
he couldn't have a pal, but ... we don't really have anywhere to get  
him used to a new kitty, they'd have to be together right away...


so, is it a good idea?
should I open the blinds on the door that separates him from his  
siblings to see how he reacts to other kitties?

male or female?
If Whimsy has a stronger constitution, would another FeLV kitty  
potentially make him sicker with a more virulent version?


again, Whimsy is a boy, about 2.5, asymptomatic.

thank you!!
Shannon



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Re: [Felvtalk] how to know if your only needs a friend?

To add to this:  Dixie left this world and I was broken hearted.  She  
sent me Copper.  I really wanted a brother/sister/friend for him.  Two  
weeks later Thomas showed up.  They are wonderful brothers and they  
now have Bob, a dog, to train.  I really believe cats and dogs are  
easier in pairs but this is something you have to decide.  I hope Bob  
will have a dog friend one day but there are lots of things to think  
about.  He has been with me and the cats 4 months.  He is 2 years old  
and in need of a lot of attention.  That is dog stuff.   Re cats:  I  
really like two or more, especially if I am going to be gone a lot.

On Dec 15, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


Shannon
I have to tell you this story...
I got my cat, Stormy, as a 12 week old kitten.  She was indoors  
only.  There was a yard cat but they only saw eachother through  
the window.  About a year after getting Stormy, I decided to go back  
to school to finish my degree.  I was already working full time, so  
this meant poor little Stormy would be alone much of the time.  In a  
move that is the *only* time I've sought out a cat (they usually  
just come to me, as Stormy had) I went to the local shelter and  
adopted a kitten about 12 wks. old.  I brought him home and said,  
Look Stormy -- I got you a friend!
Hiss, spit, growl, fur on end, very unhappy cat.  Oops.  I don't  
think she ever quite forgave me...
From this I came to the conclusion that humans are social and cats  
are
solitary.  That's undoubtedly not an absolute in either case, but  
generally speaking, I think most cats would prefer to be the only.
ps -- Stormy now shares the house with three others, all came to  
me out of their need.  She's a little pissy sometimes, but I let  
her know she's queen and let the others know they are to give her  
utmost respect (she's the elder puss) and she's adjusted very well.

Good luck!
~Bonnie
- Original Message - From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 5:28 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] how to know if your only needs a friend?


Whimsy is adapting perfectly to being indoor only! (someone here  
said 'you control the door', and it was that simple. a few  
protests, an escape due to a foggy glass door, but overall very  
smooth transition) I'm watching him closely to make sure he isn't  
lonely.


I did see him attack another feral who was taking 'his' yard, a few  
months after he was fixed. Obviously that doesn't necessarily mean  
he couldn't have a pal, but ... we don't really have anywhere to  
get him used to a new kitty, they'd have to be together right away...


so, is it a good idea?
should I open the blinds on the door that separates him from his  
siblings to see how he reacts to other kitties?

male or female?
If Whimsy has a stronger constitution, would another FeLV kitty  
potentially make him sicker with a more virulent version?


again, Whimsy is a boy, about 2.5, asymptomatic.

thank you!!
Shannon



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Re: [Felvtalk] how to know if your only needs a friend?

Try Feliway spray and Rescue Remedy in the water.Honest.  Kitty  
was forced to leave her life long home to live with me.  There was  
nothing that made her content much happy.  I slept on the living room  
floor for about three months until she came out and was comfortable  
(or as comfortable as she was going to be then).  My holistic vet  
suggested Feliway and that is what finally got Kitty our from under  
the couch.  Feliway has helped several ferals too.  Bob is integrating  
with the cats (beagle/border collie) thanks to Rescue Remedy and  
letting them work it out without me getting involved (other than  
making sure there was no blood shed).

On Dec 15, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


Beverly
Oh, how I long for a home like yours!
I agree about the intro, and I've tried to do it right with  
everyone.  The most recent one was Lucky, and he's doing well and  
seems accepted by all. But there are tensions, especially between  
Stormy and the other girl, Miya Chan (she's a rehabilitated feral).   
I think boy cats are mellower, more accepting.  I would love to see  
everyone curled up together on the couch or my bed, or playing  
together.  Sigh.

Thanks for another perspective!
~Bonnie
- Original Message - From: Beverly Parsons beve...@jerseycats.org 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to know if your only needs a friend?



Hi Bonnie,

I must beg to differ that most cats prefer to be the only!  I have  
five male cats (aged fifteen years to six months) in our small  
apartment and they are all best buds.  They rumble and tumble and  
play, and curl up and sleep together when they get tired.  I don't  
think any of them would do well as an only cat.  Most of my friends  
and family also have multiple cats that are great friends.


It's all about the introduction - a slow, careful introduction of a  
new cat to the resident cats can lead to a very happy relationship.


Just my two cents.

Beverly


On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


Shannon
I have to tell you this story...
I got my cat, Stormy, as a 12 week old kitten.  She was indoors  
only. There was a yard cat but they only saw eachother through  
the window. About a year after getting Stormy, I decided to go  
back to school to finish my degree.  I was already working full  
time, so this meant poor little Stormy would be alone much of the  
time.  In a move that is the *only* time I've sought out a cat  
(they usually just come to me, as Stormy had) I went to the local  
shelter and adopted a kitten about 12 wks. old.  I brought him  
home and said, Look Stormy -- I got you a friend!
Hiss, spit, growl, fur on end, very unhappy cat.  Oops.  I don't  
think she ever quite forgave me...
From this I came to the conclusion that humans are social and  
cats are
solitary.  That's undoubtedly not an absolute in either case, but  
generally speaking, I think most cats would prefer to be the only.
ps -- Stormy now shares the house with three others, all came to  
me out of their need.  She's a little pissy sometimes, but I let  
her know she's queen and let the others know they are to give  
her utmost respect (she's the elder puss) and she's adjusted very  
well.

Good luck!
~Bonnie
- Original Message - From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 5:28 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] how to know if your only needs a friend?


Whimsy is adapting perfectly to being indoor only! (someone here  
said 'you control the door', and it was that simple. a few  
protests, an escape due to a foggy glass door, but overall very  
smooth transition) I'm watching him closely to make sure he isn't  
lonely.


I did see him attack another feral who was taking 'his' yard, a  
few months after he was fixed. Obviously that doesn't necessarily  
mean he couldn't have a pal, but ... we don't really have  
anywhere to get him used to a new kitty, they'd have to be  
together right away...


so, is it a good idea?
should I open the blinds on the door that separates him from his  
siblings to see how he reacts to other kitties?

male or female?
If Whimsy has a stronger constitution, would another FeLV kitty  
potentially make him sicker with a more virulent version?


again, Whimsy is a boy, about 2.5, asymptomatic.

thank you!!
Shannon



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