Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning

2013-07-01 Thread janine paton
I am sorry, I haven't been following this thread but caught the diatomaceous 
warning.  Hoping they still make this, but 1-800-flea busters out of FL. is my 
favorite product to use.  It's a little work, but I think I was over zealous 
the first year.  Third yr I used it, I was not so diligent, but it worked just 
fine.  It is safe, and it lasts a year and that's the real bonus.  Takes a few 
weeks to work, but it really does.  

Janine 



 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning
 

Very scary Beth,  Thanks for the warning.


On 07-01, Beth wrote:
    I don't want to start a barrage of OT emails with this post. Just a
    quick warnng to be careful
    I tried the food grade diatomaceous earth this weekend to try to stop
    the fleas. I have all hardwood floors - really old ones, with lots of
    crevices for the flea eggs to hide in.
    I wore a good sanding mask which blocks small particles. I opened the
    windows (as many as I could without danger of the cats getting out).
    I sprinkled it in the product on the floors using a sieve. I gently
    swept it into the cracks in the floor in my bedroom  hallway. If did
    not create any visible dust clouds, etc.
    I went outside, took the mask off  sat for a bit.
    When I went back inside I could not breath. My mouth immediately became
    parched  my throat started closing.
    I grabbed some water  went back outside.
    I spent the rest of the day with the mask back on washing the floors
    trying to get rid of the stuff.
    Please be careful. I am a very active, relatively young  person. I
    don't have breathing issues.  This was quite scary.
    In addition to the breathing issues, some of it got on my skin  it
    just burned.
    Again, yes, this was the food grade kind.
    I know people on this list use it  have no problems. That's great. But
    if you have not tried it, please be careful if you do. Try it in a very
    small area, first.
    I guess I will go back to vacuuming  flea combing.
    I may use the rest in the yard since most of the problem seems to be my
    dog bringing them in from outside.
    Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] metacam and prednisone

2013-05-19 Thread janine paton
I am so not a fan of metacam either, other than one or two days.  More than one 
day is off label and for good reason.  Agree with Susan, use torbulgesic or 
buprenex, which addresses cancer pain much better.  I don't get why vets 
continue to use metacam.   Maybe they will stop when they have a cat go into 
kidney failure, which is why my vet stopped using it.  I would say talk to 
another vet about this, not the ones recommending the metacam.  

Janine




From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, May 19, 2013 9:31:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] metacam and prednisone


I'm a fan of metacam.  I've never used it in an FeLV cat and you cannot use it 
if a cat has kidney issues, but for mild pains, like aches and sprains and 
arthritis, it helps.  But it's given in a tiny amount, weight-based, and only 
every two or three days. Don't overdo it.  Also, it is an antinflammatory so I 
would not give it with pred.  I'vr never had it prescribed with pred.

For a tumor however you may need a stronger pain med, like torbulgesic or 
buprenex, so talk to your vet about this.





 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 5:58 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] metacam and prednisone
 

Hi all,

I posted recently about my FeLV+ girl, Ember. Since she most likely has (at 
least) a lung tumor, I'm going to get her on pain meds soon, despite the fact 
that most of the differences in her behavior are minor. Our second opinion 
vet 
prescribed metacam, and an oncologist who consulted with Ember's primary vet 
also recommended metacam. 


These are smart, experienced folks with lots of education. But, I'm seeing so 
much outcry over metacam online that I'm very reluctant to give it to Ember. 
I'd 
love to ease any discomfort she might be having, and metacam would be easy to 
give. What are your thoughts on metacam?

I'm also wondering if prednisone might be helpful in reducing any inflammation 
that Ember is dealing with. I know people on the list have used it, but I'm 
concerned about its ability to create low wbc. Ember already has that issue, 
due 
to being FeLV+. Would folks who have pred experience in FeLV+ cats mind posting 
your  experiences?

Thanks,

Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats

2013-03-16 Thread janine paton
Amen to that and great point about all the salmonella from commercial food!

My house has been a great experiment in raw vs commercial.  While feeding a raw 
food diet (same one as on catnutrition.org) my cats rarely had a hairball, 
never 
had crystals or any type of cystitis, had sleek coats and great muscle tone. 
 And they were members of the clean plate club every single meal.  While NOT 
feeding a raw diet,  it's been hairballs the size of small mice, excessive 
shedding, dental disease, IBD, one poor guy with crystals, fussier eaters and 
too many cats with intestinal lymphoma.  And more than one cat eating paper...

Janine






From: Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sat, March 16, 2013 11:59:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats

KG, very well said...I wholeheartedly agree!


On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:51 AM, KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,
For several years I have primarily fed home made raw to my horde of cats (FELV 
+ 
separated) and dogs, and have never had any food related problem whatsoever. 
 They are in wonderful condition. I do mix in some fish as a treat every week 
 or 
so, but it is canned tuna, mackerel, or sardines (all in water, not oil).  I 
carefully follow a balanced recipe with no grains, starches, veggies.

I make a point of being very well read on the publicized risks but I think 
they 
are very overstated - after all, raw is what cats evolved to eat over millions 
of years.  Their digestive systems are short and acidic.   Most vets are 
poorly 
trained on nutrition and much of that training comes via the pet food 
industry, 
which makes a bundle selling biologically inappropriate grain laden, carb 
heavy, 
overproccessed, overpriced crap.  Of course they fear-monger about raw food, 
even for cats with perfectly healthy immune systems.  As if dry food hasn't 
been 
proven to have frequent contamination with salmonella etc.  No human has ever 
been shown to catch disease from raw food, but there are loads of cases of 
people getting it from commercial pet food.  And that doesn't even begin to 
address the factors of salivary enzymes as the cat gnaws chunks of meat/bone, 
or 
the enzymes and nutrients destroyed by the disgusting rendering process, or 
the 
plastic and filth cooked in with the often rancid ingredients.  Or the risk of 
tainted ingredients. Or the fact that cats are far less healthy overall than 
they were 50 years ago... just research the huge jump in diabetes, obesity, 
kidney disease, cancer, etc.  Why do most cats now routinely die in their 
early 
teens at best, when they used to live so much longer?  Why?

If one believes that fresh, natural food is better for people than processed 
food, then why treat animals any different?  I believe sick or 
immunocompromised 
animals need more nutrition, not less.  They need the best quality food 
possible, and I think that is the food they evolved to eat.   I wish I could 
feed whole prey, but it's unaffordable.  On the other hand, homemade raw is 
made 
with far better ingredients yet costs so much less than commercial food - 
about 
35 cents a day.  

Which do you trust more?  Millions of years of mother nature's success, or the 
money-motivated pet food industry? 


Ok, getting off soapbox now.  :)
Kg



On Saturday, March 16, 2013, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Carrie,
 I am so sorry to hear about your kitties. And I am praying they get better 
 very 
soon.
 I had put a post up asking the group about raw food for FeLV cats but no one 
responded or commented about using that for their cats.
 I have read that for FeLV cats it might be a hazard because their systems 
cannot withstand any challenges from parasites.
 Also I have read that seafood is not recommended for FeLV cats so I do not 
 feed 
any seafood to mine.
 I am trying to find a holistic vet to start my FeLV cat on a special diet 
 but 
it's always best to be in contact with a vet when starting the home cook diet 
or 
a raw diet.
 If the cats are sick l would take them to vet so they can be treated right 
away, with FeLV early prevention is the best policy.
 Hope this helps, please send an update soon.
 Sent from my iPad
 On Mar 15, 2013, at 23:45, Carrie Rosenblatt oecb11...@yahoo.com wrote:

 hi. I saw this online - and wondered what you found out about raw food for 
 FeLV 
cats. I had one at my apt for a night, and gave him homemade food, which was 
made with raw meat, but no pieces of meat was in what I gave him, just the 
grains and tuna and supplements, but I was wondering if the juice or residue 
from the raw meat could have hurt him, as he is very sick and getting worse.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice

2012-11-20 Thread janine paton
The stress of an unspayed female is great, I think much greater than the 
spaying 
itself.  And it may be true that pyometria is more common in dogs, but boy have 
we seen plenty in outside cats, even young ones.  One couldn't have been more 
than a year old and we had no idea her slightly swollen belly was pyometria. 
 And have h ad a few with mammary cancer also.  Not worth it.  Use a decent vet 
and get your cat spayed!  




From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, November 20, 2012 8:57:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice


Amen to that sister.  My cat Cookie, long ago, was borderline diabetic.  The 
vet 
didn't want to subject her to anesthesia because he said she was an older cat 
and might develop full blown diabetes since she was on the edge. So I didn't 
have her spayed.  She went into her heat cycle several more times, then gave it 
up as a bad idea.  She lived an additional 5 years with me as a house feral. 
One 
day I noticed blood on her chair towel (I use towels to cover the plastic 
chairs 
in my house.  Everything here has to be washable).  I also noticed that Cookie 
was acting very lethargic.  I finally got her into a carrier.  At the clinic 
they flipped her over and I was horrified.  All her nipples were black, some 
were enlarged, two were bleeding.  She had severe mammary cancer.  The vet said 
she  was probably in pain.  There was nothing I could do.  He gave her a pain 
injection.  She became drowsy and I allowed him to euthanize her.  I will NEVER 
NOT SPAY a cat.  Male cats can get prostate cancer.  There is no proven reason 
why cats and dogs can't be spayed and neutered.  Humans have the operation all 
the time for ovarian cancer and prostate cancer.  If physicians didn't do 
hysterectomies on women with cancer or with precancerous lesions the cancers 
would metastasize and more people would die.  


In addition, try and get an intact spraying male cat or howling female cat 
adopted.  It will just not work.

Or, as an alternative, get the female's tubes tied and give the male a 
vasectomy 
and you still have all the mating behavior in addition to the operations 
costing 
almost a thousand dollars as opposed to spay/neuter that can be had for a cost 
as low as $15 including rabies shot.

I  want to add that my mother, a registered nurse at the time, forbade me to 
have any of our yard cats neutered or spayed citing the ridiculous argument 
that 
animals and people have to be left natural.  Consequently I allowed two intact 
cats to remain that way, filling my yard with 7 kittens who, although I didn't 
know it, were FeLv positive and active for the disease.  They all died.  Had I 
spayed and neutered mom and dad cat, I would have saved 7 kittens from being 
born and dying in illness and discomfort and possibly saved mom and dad cats 
from wandering away to spread the disease all over the neighborhood.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
 

I'm not going to start an argument over one study. 
Being in heat was very stressful on the one of the 1st FeLV cats I had. The 
spay 
was easy  she recovered quickly.
My cats have all been spayed. We've had cats live well into their 20's - all 
spayed.
Cats who still have their ovaries, which are responsible for heat cycles, are 
much more likely to develop mammary cancer.
Cats ( dogs) can also develop an infection in their uterus (pyometra) from 
not 
being spayed..

There is just not enough evidence out there to make me even think about not 
getting my cats, FeLV or not,  spayed.


Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 





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Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

2012-10-16 Thread janine paton
Alev, 

I am so sorry this has happened to you and River.  River is a beautiful name, 
btw, and one I gave to a rescue cat we took in recently.  I don't know what 
else 
to say other than I am hoping you someday find peace with what has happened 
knowing your intentions were only the best, and you only wanted to help her.  

Some of these types of shelters have come a long way, but still have a long way 
to go.  They can be ignorant and misinformed and how could you have known this? 
 

Best to you, 

Janine




From: Alev Durmus alev_dur...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, October 16, 2012 1:12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat


Hi Christiane,

Thank you so much...I am so sorry to find out about all these a little too 
late...Yes, they show kittens, young cats, but very few seniors on their 
website 
for adoption...They are a kill shelter and people do not know this. People are 
happily donating money thinking they are helping the animals, but they are 
helping them to be killed too. What can I do to change this? I want to send 
them 
an email, what should I say? I want to say the right things and not sound like 
a 
crazy  woman...

Thank you so much for your kind words, maybe River will be the reason that this 
shelter does something about their policy. You (and the animals in that area) 
are very lucky. Take care,
 
Alev



 From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:49 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk]  No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat
 

The caveat to the “no kill” (as defined in the Asilomar Accords) is that all it 
means is they will not kill adoptable animals.  Unfortunately, its up to the 
individual shelter/rescue to define what they consider “adoptable”.  All too 
often, facilities that advertise themselves as “no kill” really mean that they 
will kill all ill, senior, problem behavior, etc. animals but never kill a 
healthy easily adoptable animals.  These kinds of facilities never ever publish 
their euthanasia matrix” which is where they define their policy on who they 
will kill.  True no kills (as we think it means  as defined by Nathan 
Winograd) 
are tough to find.  I volunteer for one such shelter in New Orleans (ARNO)  
the 
handful of animals they’ve put down have been terminally  ill animals who were 
either comatose or in intractable pain.  They never put down for fiv or felv!  

 
The shelter you cited clearly is a kill shelter  why they wouldn’t have 
alerted 
you to the cat’s test results  given you some time demonstrates an attitude 
that is unfortunately all too common.  I’m so sorry this happened to you but 
please know that River had love from you—something she likely hadn’t had in a 
very long time.
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alev 
Durmus
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:15 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] 9 kittens, one testing pos

2012-10-08 Thread janine paton
Hi Natalie, 

We are not certain which is this kitten's mom, because the whole colony is 
mixed 
up.  One mom drops 2 kittens off, another picks them up.  They are all sharing. 
 




From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, October 8, 2012 11:06:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 9 kittens, one testing pos


Janine, you wrote that some of their moms tested negative.  How about the 
positive kitten’s mom - was she pos or neg?  I would retest with the ELISA.  I 
find it strange that a kitten would show a weak positive if the mother was 
positive because their kittens are positive, or should be.  If the kitten’s mom 
is not positive, could this kittens have been exposed to a positive cat and 
therefore be a weak positive?  What was the vet’s explanation?
I don’t have much experience with FeLV – I have quite a few FIV.  I had a FeLV+ 
kitten years ago, and he died within 2 months.  Last year, I had 2 FeLV+ adult 
cats (already in the bone marrow), one died of CRF and the other one was 
adopted 
by a veterinarian and still doing really well.
Those two FeLV+ cats were living with a large group of healthy cats for about 6 
months…I have retested, starting with the youngest and oldest, and then 
everyone 
in the middle – not a single cat contracted FeLV!  I consider myself quite 
lucky!  But there are many on this list who have FeLV+ cats living with healthy 
ones, some vaccinate the healthy ones, and some do not.
Natalie
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of janine 
paton
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 8:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] 9 kittens, one testing pos
 
Can anyone explain to me why if from point of exposure to actually testing pos 
is 28 days, if this is correct, why we can't just retest in one month using 
Elisa?  And if all excepting the one testing weak pos, stjill test neg, is this 
good enough?  All 8 kittens and some of their moms tested neg, just the one a 
weak pos.  I am asking because I am trying to make this make sense to me and 
keep everyone safe.  And foster homes understanding. 
 
Thanks, 
Janine
 



From:Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, October 5, 2012 8:52:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
I agree, they have been very civil!  Natalie
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane 
Rosenfeldt
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
Thanks, Lee, I was about to say that I have never seen anyone not get responded 
to on this list in their time of need and emotional turmoil. Going offtopic is 
almost inevitable when you’re on a specialized list like this. I think the OT 
discussion has been amazingly civil and respectful. As it happens, I will be 
voting Democrat because I feel they are in touch with, and care about, the 
people that the Republicans have referred to as the 47% they’re not interested 
in reaching. My reasons have to do with the way the most vulnerable among us 
would be treated under each party. I feel people like most of us, who are sort 
of getting by or not quite getting by or getting by only because we get a 
pension or disability or whatever, need people in government who are interested 
in reaching us.
 
Diane R.
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:54 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian diets, 
if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we would 
have 
been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look up what could 
be 
done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the vet emergency 
clinic.  So if we wander around the hospital isles occasionally when everyone 
is 
asleep and babble a bit, don't worry.  We can switch in a moment.  I actually 
did switch when I saw how agonized you were and posted about vets treating FeLv 
cats differently from non-FeLv cats to get us back on topic. But occasionally 
on 
every specialized list I have been on there is a subject with OT listed and 
then 
it's either a funny article copied from a magazine or other online source or 
some cute pictures of cats doing silly things, or even a heated political 
discussion about who will be President and how it would effect our ability to 
financially keep our heads above water and still feed our rescues and take our 
cats to the vet when needed.  It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group 
because we are very money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs 
cats as healthy as can be for as long as can be.  If I lose my Social Security 
and Medicare benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for 
myself  and air conditioning in the summer and heat

[Felvtalk] 9 kittens, one testing pos

2012-10-07 Thread janine paton
Can anyone explain to me why if from point of exposure to actually testing pos 
is 28 days, if this is correct, why we can't just retest in one month using 
Elisa?  And if all excepting the one testing weak pos, stjill test neg, is this 
good enough?  All 8 kittens and some of their moms tested neg, just the one a 
weak pos.  I am asking because I am trying to make this make sense to me and 
keep everyone safe.  And foster homes understanding. 

Thanks, 
Janine




From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, October 5, 2012 8:52:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)


I agree, they have been very civil!  Natalie
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane 
Rosenfeldt
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
Thanks, Lee, I was about to say that I have never seen anyone not get responded 
to on this list in their time of need and emotional turmoil. Going offtopic is 
almost inevitable when you’re on a specialized list like this. I think the OT 
discussion has been amazingly civil and respectful. As it happens, I will be 
voting Democrat because I feel they are in touch with, and care about, the 
people that the Republicans have referred to as the 47% they’re not interested 
in reaching. My reasons have to do with the way the most vulnerable among us 
would be treated under each party. I feel people like most of us, who are sort 
of getting by or not quite getting by or getting by only because we get a 
pension or disability or whatever, need people in government who are interested 
in reaching us.
 
Diane R.
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:54 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian diets, 
if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we would 
have 
been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look up what could 
be 
done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the vet emergency 
clinic.  So if we wander around the hospital isles occasionally when everyone 
is 
asleep and babble a bit, don't worry.  We can switch in a moment.  I actually 
did switch when I saw how agonized you were and posted about vets treating FeLv 
cats differently from non-FeLv cats to get us back on topic. But occasionally 
on 
every specialized list I have been on there is a subject with OT listed and 
then 
it's either a funny article copied from a magazine or other online source or 
some cute pictures of cats doing silly things, or even a heated political 
discussion about who will be President and how it would effect our ability to 
financially keep our heads above water and still feed our rescues and take our 
cats to the vet when needed.  It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group 
because we are very money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs 
cats as healthy as can be for as long as can be.  If I lose my Social Security 
and Medicare benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for 
myself  and air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter to pay my 
mortgage on this house that I bought to keep my cats safe from being seized by 
Animal Control in a city where there are cat limits.  Even though I still work 
and have an online job, I would be in dire straits.  So it is very important to 
my cats who I vote for.  And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a 
problem for me also.  If the NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside 
cats 
and my peacock are in danger.  I actually hear gunshots sometimes in the 
daytime 
on weekends and it makes me tremble.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list

2012-10-06 Thread janine paton
I am surprised this list got so off topic.  A few years ago, this wouldn't be 
allowed to happen.  I have very strong political opinions, and very strong 
opinions about hunting, but what I rejoined this list for was only to 
understand 
how to deal with 9 kittens from a few different litters in same colony, where 
one tested positive and I think I got one, maybe two answers.  

I guess it's OK to talk about other things, if a newcomer feels like he or she 
has been listened to, but I did not.  

For me, 9 kittens are a lot of kittens to worry about even with past LK 
experience.  So I don't really see how a total newcomer would have been helped 
by this list over the last week or two whatsoever.  

Leukemia is scary, and this list should be an opportunity to educate.  I don't 
feel comfortable sending people to this list if they are ignored.

  Would rather stick to common sense, out of the box, how to help and what to 
expect.It's shame to loose this resource.  My 2 cents. 

Janine 






From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
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Sent: Sat, October 6, 2012 7:30:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again


That’s what my vet gives me – Cyproheptadine (Periactin) – ¼ pill does a good 
job. 

 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 9:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Another brain cell woke up and reminded me that there's also an antihistamine 
called Ciproheptadine.  I'm thinking that this is the one they use as an 
appetite stimulant.

I just Googled it and sure enough, this is the one.  If you want more 
information on getting your cat to eat go to the following Website: Tanya's 
Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease.  The URL is: 
www.crf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm  There are some other hints on getting an 
anorexic cat to chow down also.


Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!
 



From:Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
 
I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :(  Thank 
you :)  Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :(
 
 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
 
 You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). 
Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. 

 
 Christiane Biagi
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Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

2012-10-01 Thread janine paton
Hello,
 
I joined this list years ago, and have now needed to rejoin.  Trying to find 
testing protocol for FeLV and an explanation for it. 

I am with a rescue grp and we have just started trapping in a colony that had 
30 
kittens last year and none of them tested pos.  We just took 9 kittens within a 
few days, and are close to having all of the adults neutered.  There were a few 
newcomers - mostly toms. 

All kittens tested neg until Bella, who tested a weak pos with Elysa sent out 
to 
lab.  Moms were all mixed up in this colony, everyone taking care of each 
other's kittens.  

A 2nd vet did IFA test a few days after Bella's pos results, which I understand 
is too soon, but having a hard time trying to explain this!  

My concern is that even if all the kittens tested neg except Bella, that 
doesn't 
mean in a few weeks the same kittens would not retest pos.  My thinking is that 
more than one may have been exposed recently enough that the test might not be 
positive last wk, but may be tomorrow? 

Another vet thinks I am over thinking/reacting and we should just adopt out the 
ones that have tested neg right around the same time Bella tested positive. 

Looking for guidance - 

Thank you, 
Janine




- Original Message 
From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, October 1, 2012 6:15:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to hoome.  Only 
Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only 
animals as the excuse.  Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from 
monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't 
they?


 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 I am so sorry to hear about the poor cat that was shot with an arrow - this
 is so typical this time of year when bowhunting begins for deer; dogs and
 cats are shot all the time.on purpose, because how could one think that a
 cat is a deer?  Could also be some stupid neighborhood kid practicing on
 small animals! Ted Nugent, the creepy rock star macho moron bowhunter,
 started his 3-yr old kid practicing bowhunting on small barn animals on his
 farm..
 
 Even when caught, these creeps get a mere slap on the wrist, if at all!
 
 I believe in karma, but it's not soon enough for me - I hope they rot in
 hell ASPA!
 
 Natalie
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Conner
 Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:36 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
 
 Friends,
 
 We can only do our best everyday to help the victims without voices, either
 humans or animals.  Kevorkian was arrested because it is against the law to
 end lives.  Thanks goodness we can do what we can do, to end the suffering
 of a companion that is truly suffering (pet).   I am a Christian and believe
 in heaven and hell and Karma.  So, until we all die,  that person who puts
 their pet down to travel the world or whatever, is a selfish person to begin
 with and I am sure it is not the first time that they were disrespectful to
 life.  They will have to be judged  and only the Lord will have that talk
 with them at the end of their  life.  I live in Florida and just heard about
 a cat in Riverview that was found (alive) with an arrow in its back!   They
 are trying to find the person who did it.  Trust me, I am sure if it was a
 little child or adult,  the FBI would be involved.  But because it was a
 cat,  they are doing their best. At the end of every day,  everything we
 do a group has a major impact on saving our furry friends.  We can also
 voice our opinion to the government to change laws.   God  Bless America.
 Let's be positive here,  we are in America and have the opportunity to
 change anything in our power as a group.  Look in the Middle East,  killing
 everyday!   Thank you to all you Vet techs that try to intervene and help
 out where you can. however,  you are right.. it is up to the VET to stand up
 for the healthy animals that they put to sleep.  
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats

2010-12-30 Thread janine paton
Same here, I sing to my feral kittens and they seem to love it.  

Trapped one in a snowstorm who was very ill and kept moving away, but fell 
asleep when I sang to him.   When I got close, he'd wake and I'd stop, look 
away, start singing again when he relaxed and stoped looking at me.  Finally 
got 
close enough to sing, let him nod off, scruff, drop in trap.  I don't have a 
very good voice and could only remember Christmas songs at the time because I 
was so nervous for him, but it sure worked.  

Janine

   




- Original Message 
From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 6:54:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats

The listmom of my feral-cats list (she is Wiccan) feels strongly that cats
love to be sung to, and to have their own special song. So y'all are on the
right track! She also says that cats love to be told their own story --
where they came from, how you met them, whatever. She feels that there is a
special kind of communication and they sort of understand on a cellular
level that the song or story is about them. I'm not as radical as that, but
I do occasionally try to tell one cat or another its story. Can't hurt! Oh,
and she tells people to explain things to cats and ask their permission,
forgiveness or whatever. This might be useful for those of us going through
hard times with our kitties -- assisted feeding, pilling etc. 

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats

So I'm not the only one who makes up little songs for the cats!
Each cat has its own song (some have several) -- a kind of theme song. 
For some reason, I do this for every cat.  I wonder why we do this?
The songs are quite nice...or so the cat thinks!
ha!
~B.
- Original Message -
From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats


 On 12-26, Katy Doyle wrote:

 This might sound silly, but I sing to my cats. Like when I'm taming
 and socializing feral kittens... It seems to work and I have fun
 :-)

 It's good to know I'm not the only one who makes up silly little
 songs to sing to my cats :-)

 Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread janine paton
Last year we had a brother/sister feral pair just in, crated together and when 
spayed 2 wks later at 5 1/2 mos, the female was pregnant already with one 
kitten.  


We can't afford to spay.neuter every single litter we take on right away, but 
follow up like crazy with adoptions and our rule is spay/neuter at 5 mos.  They 
do heal faster at a younger age.  


See Winn Feline Foundation website for more information about this - it might 
dispel the myths of early spay/neuter, esp with boys.  


Human children seem to be more prone to early sexuality, why not cats? 

Janine




- Original Message 
From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 6:00:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

Wow, I went outside for a little bit to ride one of our horses.bunches
of new replies :-)

All our other cats were around 9 months old when spayed or neutered. I'm
from the Netherlands and there are not many vets that will do it earlier
then that. I've been reading and listening to the pros and cons to
early/late neutering and spaying, but there are just as many pros as cons in
either of them. I even lean towards early, because a kitten bounces back a
lot quicker then an older cat.
I've personally made up my mind that it is better to neuter young, but not
at like 3 weeks old or so. I don't think much can go wrong with a male. If a
vet messes that up, he needs to go back to school. With females I would wait
till older. It is a lot harder on them because they actually get opened up
and have all their female organs removed..
With my first question I was just wondering at what age most people have
their male kittens neutered. Didn't even think about the weight of the
kitten...makes a lot more sense!

Thanks for the all the replies!

2010/12/27 Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com

 Unfortunately that has been the experience of too many people.  Even with a
 contract and a spay/neuter deposit it does not happen.  Or it doesn't happen
 until after that little surprise litter from a 7 month old cat.  Early age
 spay/neuter goes a long way towards reducing pet overpopulation.  The areas
 that do very young spay/neuter amd have active feral cat programs have fewer
 kittens in shelters and higher adult cat adoptions.  So if you're going to
 adopt them out, fix them first.

 --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 1:14 PM
   I am a rescue group - but we don't
  have any laws in CT to alter them before
  adoptions.  Probably a great idea! I keep in personal
  contact with adopters
  and make absolutely sure that they spay/neuter at the
  appropriate times.
  But they found that even though people pay for the
  spay/neuter at the time
  of adoption, a huge percentage never come back to do
  it...Whether they do it
  on their own or not, isn't known.  More likely, they
  don't, and that's why
  such a problem continues.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
  Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:45 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 
  It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for
  adoption.  In
  California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to
  adopt out an
  unaltered animal.  Also, we have so many vets in
  Northern California who are
  very experienced at early age spay/neuter.  It's the
  standard here and the
  kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their
  surgery.
 
  --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net
  wrote:
 
   From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM
   I personally do NOT neuter/spay until
   much later and have never had a
   sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early,
  and
   believes that
   neutering males so early has some possible future
  risks
   that are not yet
   known.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
   On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
   Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  
   We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them
  before
   that, and from what
   I've read about the bad possible side effects of early
  s/n
   in dogs I can't
   blame him.
  
   On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
   wrote:
  
   
My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds
  before
   surgery (usually 16
weeks)
   
 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
 From: athenapities...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: 

Re: [Felvtalk] Insight Please

2010-12-11 Thread janine paton
Definitely pos mom gave birth in trap to 5 kittens.  2 survived, one pos, one 
neg tested over and over.  Adopted, both retested negative down the road.   No 
explanation either but it must be possible.  What I don't understand is a 
kitten 
testing neg while the virus is latent, then breaking with it years later - is 
this something that really happens and there is need  to worry about? 


Thanks, 
Janine



- Original Message 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sat, December 11, 2010 9:05:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Insight Please

That's what happened to a rescuer friend - I was in Mexico at the time and
couldn't post to the group myself - another member kindly posted for me.
However, my friend heard back from only one person.  Mother cat with 6
kittens; mother and 2 kittens negative, 4 kittens borderline positive.  The
veterinarians are vexed; I thought that since many of you had experienced or
heard of quite a few false positives with certain tests lately, there might
have been an answer. My assumption would be that the were exposed to another
FeLV cat. Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marnie
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:53 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Insight Please

My shelter just took in a litter of 5 kittens. They are about 8 weeks old.
The 3 females tested possible for feline leukemia with the Idexx snap test
and the 2 males were negative. We retested from another batch of tests and
the same thing. How is this possible if they are all from the same mother?
Can anyone shed some light on this please? 
Marnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...

2010-11-06 Thread janine paton
Kim, it's a horrifying experience to go through.  You are right, Laura, so many 
of us do have the same story and it just happened here - a mild URI, a sudden 
difficulty in breathing, emergency vet visit, then gone a few hrs later, but 
unlike your kitty, by himself with his brother as a witness.At 4 months, 
this was NOT normal.  

Kim, you were fighting something you couldn't see.  But try to look at this in 
a 
different way - you loved her and you gave her your best because you loved her. 
 
I'm not sure sub-q'ing fluids when a kitten is struggling to breathe is the 
safest thing to do anyway, so maybe it was just time for her to pass.  So Kim, 
she is lucky she left while you were holding her, no matter what position.  You 
didn't kill her, whatever was ailing her killed her -  you were trying to help 
her. 

Janine







From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sat, November 6, 2010 6:43:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...

Oh, Kim, I have been through this so many times and so many times I've said I 
killed my cat/tortoise/lizard/snake/whatever. You did not kill her. You did 
the 
best you could at the time with the information you had, and I am so sorry that 
you feel this way. It's normal to blame oneself but hindsight is 20/20; a 
cliche, I know, but so true.
On St Patrick's Day my FeLV+ cat, Bridget, died at the vet. She was there to be 
spayed but never made it to the table - they put her under and she died. 
Horrible. But what was even more horrible was that I had a premonition that she 
would die during surgery, for weeks. A voice literally screamed in my head. 
DON'T DO IT, SHE WILL DIE. And yet I did it, and got that awful phone call from 
the vet. That night I posted on this forum - it's my fault, I killed her. I 
was so grateful for the assurances from other members that no, I didn't kill 
her.I tried my best and something happened. I am sure that many other folks 
will have a similar story. 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread janine paton
Hey Laura, 

Your subject line really caught me - I've recently lost a cat named Bridget and 
she was the best, smartest cat.  Bridget is a wonderful  name and thank god she 
had one.  I don't know what LTCI is and am hoping someone explains it.  

I relocated a feral cat named Molly to my yard and for years, she did really 
well, never leaving.  She loved to hang out with us on our deck.  Then she 
found a friend, followed him, got hit by car.  Her beautiful face was smashed 
and there was no doubt she died instantly, but still, I had to have a vet 
listen for her heart hours later, to be sure, even  tho it was so obvious she 
was gone.  Looking back, I think my asking for vet to listen for heart beat was 
shock and disbelief on my part  We all blame ourselves at first when something 
so unexpected happens, it must be human nature.   
It's terribly stressful for these cats to go into heat over and over (I think 
more than twice a year) and the possibility of an infected uterus or mammary 
cancer is very real, I know, I've seen enough of it.  I hope you realize sooner 
than later you were doing what was right for Bridget, and keep on helping 
others.  

The very best to you, 

Janine   




From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 9:41:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

Laura, I am so sorry to read about Bridget.  We do the best we can with the 
knowledge we have.  Normally it is best to have any kitty spayed/neutered.  
Unfortunately there is always a risk with anesthesia.  
My heart goes out to you.
Sharyl

 --- On Wed, 3/17/10, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 4:45 PM
 
 Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she
 died very quickly
 under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done
 anything for her and
 now she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with
 Frosty Paws and then
 Baby Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so
 well. Could it have
 been the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for
 killing her.
 Please, if anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had
 something to do with
 it, maybe made her more sensitive to being put under,
 please let me know, I
 have to know whether I killed my cat.
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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

2009-12-13 Thread janine paton
Took in an FIV cat with very bad stomatitis.  I'd never seen a huge, emaciated 
cat try to eat but run backwards growling and screaming and pawing at his face, 
and boy, was I afraid of him!  Vet pulled teeth, was reluctant at first to use 
steroid because of FIV status but after a month, very bad flare-up so vet 
wanted to try steroid.  I found an excellent homeopath instead and Kohl did 
very well for 2 years with this (rather intensive treatment) and a raw diet.  
He was actually physically and mentally excellent until we noticed a swelling 
that was dx as an oral cancer, but even his ending was helped with the 
homeopathy and he did well until the few days before we opted to have him 
eithanized.  

Janine





From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:22:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

I'll have to think - for Stomatitis/gingivitis, I've used
1) pulling the teeth (seems to work well)
2) Oral dexamethasone (some folks have good luck with that - made my kitty 
cough a little but helped somewhat)
3) Monthly Demo (steroid) shot - nice but if it gets too frequent, kitty comes 
down with other things
4) Convenia antibiotic shot, followed by oral Axithromycin as needed (worked 
pretty well)

There's another oral med that I've tried but can't remember the name right now, 
have to look it up.  It was pretty good.  I'm sure there are some other 
options.  As I understand, Stomatitis can be called by several different 
things...

Best of luck,

Gloria



On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:54 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad stomatitis. We had 
 his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and after a few weeks of antibiotics 
 post-dental surgery he was doing much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 
 3 pounds in 3 weeks, not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was 
 all gone. We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then 
 switched to clavamox) and he remained ok for  a few days. He then went to a 
 potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she called for us 
 to get him back, largely because his mouth got really bad again. He is back 
 on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but is growling when he eats and 
 can only eat wet food that we break up into very small pieces. His gums are 
 very inflamed again. I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had 
 stomatitis like this. For those of you whose cats have it or had it, what do 
 you recommend?
 
 thanks,
 Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread janine paton
Jeepers.  I'm so sorry for this cat!  I have a FIV+ named Whitey who'd been hit 
by a car a few winters ago.  Disappeared for a week, feeders thought he was 
dead.  Long story short, he now lives in my bedroom (only because he doesn't 
play nice with others) but oh boy, does he love us.  Broken jaw and paralysis 
on one side of his face.  Can not open his mouth more than a quarter of an 
inch.  He is physically a little akward, too.  For two years at least, he 
startled awake out of a sound sleep when hearing a loud car or truck.  NOT 
jumping as high as your kitty, and he doesn't have beebees in him, but now he 
is starting to relax more, and sleep through loud motor noises.  

There's a drug called cyproheptadine (maybe used for allergies?) we use 
sometimes to relax just a little, maybe at night would be a good time.   Also 
increases appetite, sort of useful for cancer patients.  Also, Bach flower 
rememdies come in more than rescue rememdy, although rescue rememdy might do 
it.If you go to a health food store, or online, you can pick out a few to 
use in his water that may fit his issues.   

Janine







From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Mari meko...@mycomhouston.com; 
tlstick...@yahoo.com
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 11:50:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

If the pheremones don't work then talk to your vet about antianxiety meds, 
either prozac or elavil, at least for awhile till he begins to get over 
whatever is in his past. (I had one cat on prozac for years.  It made all the 
difference in the world.)

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, Mari meko...@mycomhouston.com, 
 tlstick...@yahoo.com
 Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:42 AM
 Tamara,
 I'm forwarding this individually to Mari as I know she has
 experience with this.  She's on the list, but I think
 on digest and I want to make sure she sees this.
  Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito
 
 
 My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should
 impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases
 him, and making me smile. 
 - Anonymous
 
 
 
 
 
 From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:37:33 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in
 cat?
 
 Hello all,
  
 This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured
 with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the
 people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer
 for me.
  
 I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago.  Had him
 neutered and vetted.  He had/has many issues including
 being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think
 we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder
 additive to his food.  He used to be very aggressive
 towards other cats (something for which my other cat still
 hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes
 himself to be a dog.  He has no fear at ALL of people,
 cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and
 will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something
 even my DOG REFUSES to do!).  But..there is one major
 obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household:
 he has night terrors.
  
 Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own
 room whenever I'm not home  at night, but I have been
 trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep
 with us.  Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares
 where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3
 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits
 something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard
 enough to wake him up.  Then he sits all hunched up and
 blinking for a few minutes.  If I go to him he
 immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub -
 only after head-butting me a few dozen times.
  
 I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful
 spasms or something.  All she could find were old
 injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in
 the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to
 be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder
 area.  She doesn't think they would be the cause of
 pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first
 year or two of his life.
  
 I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the
 episodes.  
  
 As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at
 night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he
 freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the
 other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and
 chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up
 and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't
 complained yet!).  (Not to mentionI've gotten
 kicked in the eye 

Re: [Felvtalk] I Hate PETA

2009-12-03 Thread janine paton
Is it just me, or does anyone else think maybe PETA killed these cats 
regardless of their test results.  In other words, is it possible the cats 
didn't test positive for anything but feral, so was an excuse to kill them?  
Sharyl, I am so very sorry.  

Janine 







From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 7:51:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I Hate PETA

Oh, Sharyl! This is just so sad and pointless. But a really hard learning
experience, I guess, about PETA's practices. I know Butterball and Smoky Jo
know you were trying to help them. Gentle Bridge vibes to both of them, and
solace to you. I'm grieving with you.

Diane R. 



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Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth

2009-11-19 Thread janine paton
Had this recently with one of mine.  Her canine tooth was sticking straight out 
also, it looked horrible, but took her to vet, person who does dentals there 
easily removed the tooth.  Came right out in one second, by had, no big deal! 





From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 5:47:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth

I would get her to a vet as soon as possible to make sure there isn't an
infection
Abscessed teeth can be a serious issue.
L

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracey Shrout
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth

Hi all,
I have a positive who has a loose lower canine tooth.  I have never had this
problem in a cat.  She is very clumsy (one bad eye) and I think she has
possibly just ran into something.  Anyway, her tooth is now sticking
straight out.  I worry that it may be getting infected, or that it may
become infected when it falls out.  This is the fifth day, and it still
hasn't fallen out.  She's acting normal and eats fine as well.  Is this
something I should be terribly concerned about or has anyone had this happen
to your kitty???  Thanks for any advice,
Tracey
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[Felvtalk] question on adopting neg kitten to family with positive cat

2009-09-30 Thread janine paton
Hello everyone, 

I joined this list some years ago because as a rescuer, I wanted information on 
how best to deal with leukemia colonies we were running into.  My organization 
also does adoptions.  We have a family interested in one of our kittens as a 
companion to a 5 yr old positive cat.  Their cat tested positive for leukemia 
as a kitten and their vet recommended euthanizing - they declined and the cat 
is now a healthy adult, and still testing positive.  

The kitten they are interested in is under 3 mos and was the runt of the 
litter.  One concern I have is the number of vaccines plus neutering a cat that 
age has to go through already in a relatively short period of time - then add 
in the leukemia vaccine on top of that.  And is the vaccine good enough 
protection for a kitten, should a kitten even get that vaccine? 

Any thoughts on this, or if you do adoptions, how would you handle it?  I'm 
hesitating suggesting they look for another positive youngster only because the 
family has young children.  We have plenty of kittens of all ages, and young 
adults - does this matter? 

Thanks for any thoughts - it's a very nice family with a great reference from 
their vet.  

Janine
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool

2008-11-01 Thread janine paton
That's an EXCELLENT website.  Nothing straightens out cats and kittens like the 
recipe from catinfo.org.  CRF, LK, cancer, symptomatic FIV, healthy cats, you 
name it, we've had cats on this diet with tremendous success and never once a 
bad result.  You just have to treat the raw meat with respect.And nothing 
beats the entertainment of watching a kitten eat it.  The growling, the sheer 
delight - very funny! 


--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 10:02 PM
 Tracey thanks for this post. I bought everything, using the
 recipe and
 resources on catinfo.org, during the food scare. I never
 got the courage to
 make the foodmaybe I will at some point. Soon, I hope.
 Laurie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Tracey
 Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:25 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten chronic loose stool
 A few months ago I found a kitten (Abbey) who was
 near death who tested +.
 
 She had uncontrollable diarrhea, I mean it was everywhere
 and 
 I have 3 other cats, all -'s and I have fed them a
 homemade raw chicken 
 and bones diet for the last 9 months. I started feeding her
 the raw diet.
 It was 
 amazing!  Within a week it was solid as can be, and she is
 really the
 picture of health.
 I took me a long time to make the decision to make my
 own food and it 
 also took a while to get them switched over to this new
 diet, but it was
 well worth the effort!  They are so healthy!  Their coats
 are extremely
 shiny and softer, their temperaments are better, they are
 much more active
 (playing
 more than they ever did), and my 16 lb 'fat cat'
 has lost a little weight. 
 I just couldn't believe it.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+??

2008-08-12 Thread janine paton
Hi, I am not so active on this list because I am
primarily doing rescue with only occassional
positives.  But, I have to say I would spay this cat
so fast, pregnant or not.  There are way too many
kittens being born outside this year - back to back
pregnancies it seems.  And you don't need your girl to
have problems giving birth either. 

Janine, from CT, overwhelmed with kittens! 


--- Laura B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Jennifer,
  
 Even if FeLV were not a factor in this possible
 pregnancy I would suggest a spay-abort. The kitten
 season has been particulary bad this summer in
 Jersey (and probably elsewhere) so if you can't keep
 them they would have a VERY bleak future.  I live in
 central Jersey and if you're not too far from Toms
 River (don't know how far south you are) you can
 take her to a clinic there that does low cost S/N. 
 We take all the ferals we can TNR there, and they
 have no problem doing spay-aborts.  
  
 You actually have to go through ABC (Animal Birth
 Control) which is a group based in Bayville (I
 believe) NJ, they will give you a voucher or number
 that will entitle you to a low cost S/N.  If you
 would like I can get the information for you, my
 neighbor has it since she does TNR daily this time
 of year.  I help out financially when I can since I
 work during the day (she doesn't work, cept for
 sterilizing cat colonies for people).
  
 Laura
 
 --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Jennifer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 From: Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Felvtalk] I think my girl kitty is
 pregnant...will the kittens be FeLV+??
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 8:47 PM
 
 and the only possible father is my FeLV+ kitty,
 Ash.  Isobel is showing signs
 of pregnancy (hard and protruding tummy as well as
 pointy nipples).  She's
 going this Thursday to get tested for FeLV.  My
 question is, if she tests
 negative (which my guess is she won't being that her
 and Ash mated), will
 the kittens be FeLV+ because their father is FeLV+? 
 Also, if Isobel is
 pregnant and she is FeLV+, does that automatically
 mean the kittens will be
 too?  I feel so horrible about not getting her fixed
 sooner, but my money is
 tight and I have to save up just to take them to the
 vet.  If she is pregnant,
 I can't keep the kittens as we already have three
 and my boyfriend is
 allergic and says no way to any more cats in the
 house, which I understand.  If
 I take them to a shelter and they're positive, won't
 they put them to
 sleep right away?  I don't want that to happen.  I
 live in Southern New
 Jersey...anyone want more kittens??  When I take her
 to the
  vet this week, I'll have them confirm her
 pregnancy.
 
  Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA
 VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice. 
         ~ loving mama to ~
             Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
             Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
             Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+
 July 28, 2008)
 
 
 
 
   
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Re: re spaying my kitten

2008-04-08 Thread janine paton
Hopefully I'm not repeating something here, but we've
had 2 young females (both approx 8 mos) in 2 different
feral colonies recently with pyometra.  One was
obviously ill and close to death.  The other was just
dumb luck -   trapped her expecting a routine spay and
was very surprised to find out.  Both cats survived. 
But that's another reason to tip the spay or not
scale.   

Janine


--- Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think Tonya meant to say that spaying decreases
 the risk of cancer.  I'm about to have my 2 FeLV+
 females spayed per the vets recommendation.  One has
 already gone into heat.  Her appetite was affected 
 and she seemed pretty stressed out.  There is a risk
 to any surgery.  You just have to make the best
 decision you can with your vet's help.
   Sharyl Sissy and Rocket
 
 catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would spay.  I think your vet would tell you
 if there were any problem and would persuade you not
 to spay.  Spaying dramatically increases your cat's
 risk of cancer.  The stress of going into heat is
 also bad for a positive cat.  I have had both my
 positive cats spayed.

   tonya
 
 Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Kathy, personally, unless she has had
 bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat
 on the planet, I would not do it.  I was told that
 the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat
 than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had
 to do it again, I would never have had my positive
 male neutered.  Although he was pretty far advanced
 leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused
 him many additional problems that hastened his
 death.  As we know, spaying is a much bigger
 procedure than neutering.  If she is going to be an
 indoor cat only and you are willing to go through
 heats I would not do it.  Just my take on things.  I
 now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes
 Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her
 for a week.  I am not even going to think about
 spaying for at least a month.  I want her to be in
 excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even
 consider it.

   Lynne
 - Original Message - 
   From: Kathy Dillard 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
   Subject: re spaying my kitten
   
 
 My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She
 has tested positive for feline leukemia and is
 currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has
 recommended having her spayed . Please advise and
 discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and
 scared about having this procedure done but want to
 do the right thing for Foxy.
 
   kathy
 
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Re: CLS- Possum

2008-01-21 Thread janine paton
Caroline, I love possums and I love that name!  Please
don't feel guilty.  Whatever time Possum had here, the
two of you made it better for each other.And
you've given me the inspiration I've needed to keep
focused on rescue, (burnt out!) so you and Possum have
had a ripple effect that will help a few more sweet
and gentle souls.  

Oddly enough, I have been after a grey and white male
with a hurt foot and sore mouth, and just took in a
grey and white youngster who flung himself into
traffic trying to get away from a cord wrapped around
his neck.  I think Possum is a great name and if you
don't mind, I might borrow it.


--- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Caroline,I am sorry to hear of your sweet Possee
 leaving you.He was lucky to have you.Hugs to you.
   Sherry
 Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
   .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  } 
 body.hmmessage  {  FONT-SIZE: 10pt; 
 FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma  }Can you add my foster
 kitten Possum (aka Possee) to the CLS?  He was not
 an FELV cat, but possibly FIP.  
  
 He was a struggling, failing to thrive white w/ grey
 kitten (who indeed looked like a Possum), who had a
 rough start in life and I took him in to give him
 TLC and see what I could do for him.  Unfortunately,
 I was unable to get him the vet care he
 needed/deserved due to approval problems with the
 adoption group he belonged to/I volunteered for and
 I will forever regret that and feel guilty.  But I
 know I gave him a wonderful few months that he
 wouldn't have had if I hadn't taken him in: he was
 kept warm, freed from the pet store condos, got the
 royalest treatment of all my fosters b/c I never
 made him stay in the condo-he had free reign of my
 two bedrooms, he slept on the bed with me curled in
 my arms or on my chest or shoulder every night and
 we had love-fest sessions every morning, with him
 purring away, he got the highest quality food and
 supplements, holistic vet treatments, and a little
 kitty heating pad that became his all time favorite
 thing.  Sadly though, for
  whatever reason, whether it be FIP, a congenital
 heart defect, or both, his little body couldn't keep
 up with his mind and desire to live and he crashed
 without warning (besides a swollen belly) on me in
 the early morning hours of Sunday and I rushed him
 to the emergency vet clinic to end his suffering. 
 He was a wonderfully sweet little boy and although
 he was more an old-man cat then the 7 mo kitten he
 was supposed to be, I loved him for who and what he
 was and I will miss him dearly, especially because
 he became my sleeper-bud and I haven't had one since
 Monkee left me in July.  
  
 He was my first cat/foster kitten to die since
 Monkee and that makes it even more heartbreaking for
 me b/c the Monkee loss is still so fresh.  I also
 wonder why they keep crashing on me on Sundays?!  
  
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RE: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping

2008-01-11 Thread janine paton
Good source of information is yahoo groups -
Feral_cats.  

For hard-to-trap cats, I bungee cord the trap open to
get them used to the concept.  It's just a little
patience and most importantly, calmness.  Act as if
the bungeed-open trap is nothing more than a big dish
to put food in.  

I didn't read all of the emails, but don't leave a set
trap unattended.  Get the cat on a schedule, feed her
in a trap not really set, and when she relaxes and
goes all the way in, make the app't and set the trap
for real, staying around the corner with eyes and ears
open so she can be covered up completely with a sheet
and either brought straight to a vet, or brought
inside somewhere safe, again covered up,  until the
next morning.  

  
--- Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I had to come back to NY today but my father is
 continuing to try to trap.
 She does come when he calls and follows him
 around-BUT she still won't go in
 the trap.  We rigged the trap so it won't spring 
 put some inside near the
 entrance-she did eat some of that.  He wants to try
 that for a couple of
 days before setting the trap again. keep fingers
 crossed..
 
  
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of laurieskatz
 Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:10 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on
 trapping...night v day trapping
 
  
 
 Chris, I am assuming no luck?
 
 - Original Message -
 
 From: Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:18 AM
 
 Subject: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night
 v day trapping
 
  
 
 Last night mom and kitty were waiting and followed
 my dad to our door to get
 food.  I know they were hungry!  I managed to trap
 the little Munchkin who
 turns out is a girl.  I got her to an e-vet at 10 PM
 and they tested her and
 put her in the big dog kennel for me.  She's now
 sitting there sort of
 looking at all of us.  Of course she's lying in the
 litter box.  I think she
 ate a little of the food but basically she's just
 scared.  I put her up high
 as she knows my father and he can't crawl around on
 the floor to talk to
 her.  I should be bringing her to shelter later
 today.
 
  
 
 I reset the trap for mom-oh how I hope she isn't too
 spooked to go in there.
 I put in some heated dark tuna and smeared a little
 on the newspaper I lined
 the bottom of the trap with.  I know she's hungry. 
 She's been known to
 catch birds but she's not really good at it.  So now
 I wait.  
 
  
 
 Munchkin the little one, tested neg for FELV/FIV so
 I'm hoping that's a good
 sign for mom.  I hate it so that shelter required
 this-its just sooo
 unnecessary!  
 
  
 
 Many thanks for all the helpful advice.  It really
 gave me some courage to
 keep trying. I just felt so over my head on this.I
 will keep you posted.
 
  
 
 Christiane Biagi
 
 914-632-4672
 
 Cell:  914-720-6888
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of laurieskatz
 Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:14 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Advice on trapping...night v day
 trapping
 
  
 
 Trap with water and canned food in the trap. They
 will be fine overnight.
 Cover with a towel and place the trap in a quiet,
 dark, safe INSIDE place
 until you can get to vet. Most important thing is to
 keep them safe until
 they can get to vet. Trying to transfer is not safe.
 I always took the
 trapped cat directly to the vet in the trap (covered
 and placed in plastic
 in my vehicle).
 
 I always trapped in the AM so I could get them right
 to the vet. That's
 better, if you can do that, depending on your
 schedule and theirs. I set 2
 traps at once and that sped things up.
 
 Good luck,
 
 L
 
 - Original Message -
 
 From: Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:43 PM
 
 Subject: RE: Advice on trapping...
 
  
 
 Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to
 large dog kennel?  If for
 example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep her
 overnight before I
 could go anywhere and I don't want to leave the cat
 in the trap all night
 with no food, water or litter box..
 
  
 
 Christiane Biagi
 
 914-632-4672
 
 Cell:  914-720-6888
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  
 
 Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)
 
 www.findkpets.org
 
  
 
 Join Us  Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families
 with their Animals
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
 Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:37 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Advice on trapping...
 
  
 
 This is some good trapping advice.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/32zpor
 
 Also try Alley Cat Allies.
 
 On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I would leave the kitty in the trap.  Try
 mackerel..the cats around here
 can't resist it. 
 
 Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, 

RE: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on trapping...night v day trapping

2008-01-11 Thread janine paton
That's fine!  If she gets trapped, she can be brought
inside until the morning.  If covered completely with
a sheet, and put somewhere quiet without people
looking at her, she will be fine until morning.  

My concern is leaving a trap set and not attended
overnight.  2 reasons why not to do this - another
animal, cat or otherwise, may walk into the trap.  Not
only is this animal traumitized for no reason, but
what if your cat is watching?  She's not too likely to
want to step into that trap after watching and hearing
a panicked animal.  2nd reason is if you get the cat
you want, she may react very badly to being in a trap
all night, outside, where she knows she is very
vulnerable.  

I used to hate trapping at night and holding til the
morning, but when it's all over, they are so much
better off, and an overnight stay in a covred trap is
just a blip in a hopefully long, healty, happy life.  
--- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well the problem is that primary feeding time is
 early evening just as it
 gets dark.  If she gets trapped after dark, I know
 my parents won't be able
 to drive her to e-vet until the morning.  She is in
 a safe place where the
 trap is set but he could also bring her inside to
 the bathroom if need be.
 It's a difficult situation for them and I wish there
 was someone available
 to take her to vet at night but couldn't find
 anyone
 
 Christiane Biagi
 914-632-4672
 Cell:  914-720-6888
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
 Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)
 www.findkpets.org
  
 Join Us  Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families
 with their Animals
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of janine paton
 Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:21 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: RE: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on
 trapping...night v day trapping
 
 Good source of information is yahoo groups -
 Feral_cats.  
 
 For hard-to-trap cats, I bungee cord the trap open
 to
 get them used to the concept.  It's just a little
 patience and most importantly, calmness.  Act as if
 the bungeed-open trap is nothing more than a big
 dish
 to put food in.  
 
 I didn't read all of the emails, but don't leave a
 set
 trap unattended.  Get the cat on a schedule, feed
 her
 in a trap not really set, and when she relaxes and
 goes all the way in, make the app't and set the trap
 for real, staying around the corner with eyes and
 ears
 open so she can be covered up completely with a
 sheet
 and either brought straight to a vet, or brought
 inside somewhere safe, again covered up,  until the
 next morning.  
 
   
 --- Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I had to come back to NY today but my father is
  continuing to try to trap.
  She does come when he calls and follows him
  around-BUT she still won't go in
  the trap.  We rigged the trap so it won't spring 
  put some inside near the
  entrance-she did eat some of that.  He wants to
 try
  that for a couple of
  days before setting the trap again. keep fingers
  crossed..
  
   
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of laurieskatz
  Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:10 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on
  trapping...night v day trapping
  
   
  
  Chris, I am assuming no luck?
  
  - Original Message -
  
  From: Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  
  Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:18 AM
  
  Subject: PARTIAL SUCCESS! Advice on
 trapping...night
  v day trapping
  
   
  
  Last night mom and kitty were waiting and followed
  my dad to our door to get
  food.  I know they were hungry!  I managed to trap
  the little Munchkin who
  turns out is a girl.  I got her to an e-vet at 10
 PM
  and they tested her and
  put her in the big dog kennel for me.  She's now
  sitting there sort of
  looking at all of us.  Of course she's lying in
 the
  litter box.  I think she
  ate a little of the food but basically she's just
  scared.  I put her up high
  as she knows my father and he can't crawl around
 on
  the floor to talk to
  her.  I should be bringing her to shelter later
  today.
  
   
  
  I reset the trap for mom-oh how I hope she isn't
 too
  spooked to go in there.
  I put in some heated dark tuna and smeared a
 little
  on the newspaper I lined
  the bottom of the trap with.  I know she's hungry.
 
  She's been known to
  catch birds but she's not really good at it.  So
 now
  I wait.  
  
   
  
  Munchkin the little one, tested neg for FELV/FIV
 so
  I'm hoping that's a good
  sign for mom.  I hate it so that shelter required
  this-its just sooo
  unnecessary!  
  
   
  
  Many thanks for all the helpful advice.  It really
  gave me some courage to
  keep trying. I just felt so over my head on this.I
  will keep you posted.
  
   
  
  Christiane Biagi
  
  914-632-4672
  
  Cell:  914-720-6888
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto

Re: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...Crash Landing

2007-09-24 Thread janine paton
Ah, but only a cat would have to choose between
amputaion or death.  

I see no difference with this logic and killing cats
who test positive.  

Catsinternational.org (also based in the midwest) has
thankfully updated their page on declawing.  They are
calling for people to name  declawing what it is -
amputation.  They guarantee 100%  they can help you
teach your cat not to scratch inappropriately.  It's
called education.  

I have to say when I went to that petfinder link, I
felt like I was on another planet.  

Only a cat would have to choose between amputation and
death. Only in America. 

Janine



--- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm not really sure I buy the theory that declawed
 cats are more
 likely to have behavioral problems.  I've seen a lot
 of cats, both
 clawed and declawed, and behavioral problems seem to
 be about the same
 in both groups.  We currently have a 12.5 year old
 declawed cat who is
 probably the sweetest cat ever.  Similarly we have
 fully clawed cats
 who have had terrible behavioral problems.  It just
 seems to be pretty
 random to me.
 
 Nationally, about 25% of cats are declawed.  I'd be
 interested to see
 the studies that purport that they are turned in to
 shelters in
 disproportionate numbers.  If this is the case, it
 doesn't seem to be
 the case locally.   Also if they are turned in to
 shelters in
 disproportionate numbers, I'd like to know if the
 clawed cats are just
 turned loose somewhere, as opposed to being turned
 in to a shelter.
 
 I did speak to my vet about it and he says there is
 no hard evidence
 of any correlation between behavior and status of
 claws.   Lots of
 people I really like have declawed cats, including
 my vet's
 receptionist.   I continue to believe that cats are
 better off
 declawed than dead, and if you have to make the
 correlation YES I
 would rather have the tips of my fingers chopped off
 than be killed.
 
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Re: FIRE!!!!!

2007-08-07 Thread janine paton
Hi Susan, 

We went through this 4 yrs ago with our largest foster
home.  It's really a nightmare.  Looking back I can
see we did a few things wrong.  Beating the bushes and
calling their names was the wrong thing to do, esp
with the more feral cats.  Setting traps is really a
better idea.  

You might pick up tips from catsinthebag.org too.  

The leftover smell of the fire and smoke might
discourage them from coming too close to the house -
talk about a bad memory! - so maybe setting traps in
neighbor's yards might be helpful.  

A very few neighbors put food and water out on back
porches or near bushes where a frightened cat could
sneak in and eat and the neighbor would let us know if
that happened so we would then set a trap right there.
 If your neighbors are helpful, that's half the
battle.  

Those 2 things were important to recognize, in
hindsight - the home that now smelled like a nightmare
and the calm, calculated drawing in of the cats in the
surrounding area. 

Thinking of you and your cats,

Janine



  
--- Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Two of the missing cats -- Buddy and Lil Mister --
 are my personal cats, two former feral brothers.  (I
 have their sister YoYo with me right now.)  Buddy
 has been seen inside since the fire but he is really
 freaked, reverted to feral.  Lil Mister has not.

   Sugar is in the house, also a former feral, and
 she's pretty smug about not going into those traps
 we've set.

   Gustine (also known as Yard Fodder) is a VERY
 feral lynxpoint siamese girl, a foster, and she has
 been seen after the fire inside the house.

   Tuffy is a sweet fearful former feral foster girl,
 a little tabby.  Have not seen her.

   Widget is a very shy all black kitten, maybe 4
 months old.  Have not seen her.  (She's the only one
 of the kittens still missing.)

   There are still 3 outside feral cats, all of whom
 have been seen.

   We have traps set inside and out.  Going back with
 a drop trap in a few days to get the outside cats. 
 Planning on camping out there overnight soon to try
 to get the remaining inside cats.  The general
 consensus is that they are hiding inside the house
 and, after trapping Rooster overnight and Tanner
 yesterday, and finding Ember hiding in the burned
 out basement, I suspect they are all still inside. 
 If I keep going back and keep baiting those traps,
 eventually I should be able to get them all.  No one
 has been found dead so I have to assume they are
 alive and in there somewhere.
 
 wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   Susan,

   I have crossposted to the hyperT group.  I can
 also send to my cousin in L.A. who knows people, but
 she's out of town until the middle of this month.  I
 am so, so sorry this has happened to you, but so, so
 happy that none of your kitties were killed in the
 fire.  I have a dumb question: are the five lost
 cats just lost/hiding in the house in the rubble or
 are they outside somewhere?  Also, are all your
 personal cats accounted for or are some of them part
 of the missing five?

   Sending good vibes your way to find those lost
 kitties and that you find a place soon to rent until
 you're able to get settled again.
   :)
   Wendy
  
   Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret
 Meade ~~~
   
 
   - Original Message 
 From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 11:03:14 AM
 Subject: Re: FIRE!
 
   Just set up a photobucket account with photos of
 (a) fire damage, (b) missing cats and (c) adoptables
 in foster care.  PLEASE CROSSPOST WIDELY.  The link
 is http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/susan4233/
  I will gather more photos as I can but I want to
 start circulating what I have.  

   Need adoption assistance with cats in foster care.
   Need good trapping vibes for the ones who are
 still missing.

   
 
 Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found
 as 
 yet,,Susan's really big need is for fosters who can
 assist with 
 adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly
 rentals between 
 Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up
 to 1500 per month,,
 If you can't reach her you can contact me also
 p.m. and I will reach her,
 thanks
 Kelly
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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me/environment

2007-06-28 Thread janine paton
I'm loosing a few too many right now also but for the
most part, they have been diagnosed with something not
terribly surprising, given their circumstances.  But
similar, vague symptoms, I think, is another story.  

One of our larger foster homes had a fire.  For a few
years after, cats would suddenly come down with the
same symptoms, with no explainations - weight loss,
dehydration, great blood work.  There are a lot of
toxins in an older house on fire. 

Another story - a friend's cat, lethargic, anorexic,
suddenly eating weird things.  Big time hospital in
NYC, couldn't come up with anything.  Moved cat out of
house when mold was found from leak in wall or
basement.  Cat immediately got better. 

It is worth checking out your environment, I'm sorry
to say.  Good luck, big hugs, take a deep breath.  

Janine

--- MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 yep. lost gypsy in april, crosby two and a half
 weeks ago, and lexie on
 sunday. all three have been ill for quite awhile,
 and it was just their
 time. would i have scheduled it quite like that? of
 course not.
 
 right now, for the first time in a very long time, i
 have no sick cats i
 do, however, have one FeLV+ kitten, two FIV+ adults,
 and a number who are 13
 and older.
 
 MC
 
 On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  I lost 3 in January but all were obvious
 candidates -- one FIV+ cat with
  cancer, another who was FIV+ and had badly damaged
 kidneys from having been
  starved a long time, and my own senior cat who was
 more than 18 years old.
  So 4 isn't really that many when you do rescue and
 have a house full of cats
  who came from rough circumstances.
 
  *MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:
 
  it actually isn't, unless it continues. anyone who
 works with large
  numbers of cats know that sometimes it goes in
 cycles--you can go months
  without losing any but the obvious candidates,
 then suddenly seem to hit a
  patch of whatever, and suddenly lose a number.
 it's how it balances out that
  matters.
 
  plus, with rescue animals, coming through a public
 shelter, in a part of
  the country that has extremes in temperature,
 amounts of moisture, and no
  real seasons to kill off parasites, etc., until
 cats start coming into these
  shelters with a full copy of both their genetic
 profiles and their medical
  histories, it's impossible to know what
 predispositions they are bringing
  with them, and what hidden conditions.
 
  yeah, just my opinion, but based upon working with
 a population of 600+
  cats.
 
  MC
 
  On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
   As far as shelter rescue work, 4 cats in such a
 short timeframe is not a
  
   normal rate of death.
  
   It is exceesively high.
  
   Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
   www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/
   www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/
   www.shadowcats.net
 As Cleopatra
 lay in state,
  Faithful Bast
 at her side did wait,
  Purring
 welcomes of soft applause,
  Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
   
 Trajan Tennent
  
  
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: wendy  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 AM
   Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats,
 please help me
  
  
   Hi Kelley,
  
   I'm sorry to hear this.  I honestly don't know
 what to
   tell you.  I have no idea what could be causing
 the
   deaths.  Are you sure the deaths are related?  I
 am
   wondering since you do shelter work if four cats
 out
   of ? (how many) is a normal rate of loss, given
 the
   circumstances (ie. shelter cats are more likely
 to be
   found when rescued with already compromised
 immune
   systems).  I don't know much about shelter work,
 so
   others with experience will hopefully help you.
  
   Please keep us posted.
   :)
   Wendy
  
   --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
This is the toll so far from this year, not
including kittens.
   
Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated
 for
AIHA.
   
Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my
 vet,
apparently recovered but
is now dying, they think cancer.
   
Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. 
 No
one knows what was or is
wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting
 better),
brain cancer, toxo.
   
Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and
 don't
know how I am going to
pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
   
They are all 5 and up.  All presented with
 massive
dehydration (skin
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
   
Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
   
All tested neg/neg for FELV.
   
Tehy are down to looking in my house for
 asbestos
and leadsomeone please
help me...I 

Re: Anyone feed a raw diet to their FeLV+ cats?

2007-05-21 Thread janine paton
I fed my little Baby a raw diet until he went into a
home with leukemia cats.  He came in as a tiny little
thing with horrible URI's and sucked that stuff up
like no tomorrow.  Used Blakkatz.com or catinfo.org -
pretty much the same.  Whole chicken thighs ground up
in grinder, plus supplements, for 6 months.  He did
really, really well, and he absolutely loved it. 

Janine

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What sort of raw meat did you use?
 
 I started off with ground turkey/chicken from the
 supermarket, but didn't 
 feel comfortable with that, so I bought a meat
 grinder.  Now I grind up 
 turkey/chicken thighs after washing them off.
 
 I can't find organic meat in my area, so I have
 little choice other than to 
 buy meat at the supermarket.
 
 Cassandra
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 4:30 PM
 Subject: Re: Anyone feed a raw diet to their FeLV+
 cats?
 
 
  PS.  I used to feed raw and my positive did very
 well on it, he became a 
  little chubbster.  I did lose him a year ago to
 pancreatic cancer 
  unfortunately.
 
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Re: question on test result

2007-05-08 Thread janine paton
Oh good lord, you poor thing.  Poor mom cat!  I'm not
an expert on these things which is why I joined this
list, but we've had positive and negative in the same
litter, and positive kittens revert to negative, and
had some negatives stay that way.   Lots of love, good
food, supplements, maybe some transfer factor and no
one knows how those babies will test down the road. 

Good idea, find a different vet.  Good for you!

Janine

--- Deana K. Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My
 husband went by the vet office to pay the bill for
 the service provided on the stray mama that died
 from the dog inflicted injuries.
 The vet was not at all happy that we were not
 bringing the kittens to her to be put to sleep -
 since she is confident they are all positve and will
 die. (she has never seen them) 
 
 The vet now says the first test on the dying mother
 was slightly postive so she ran it again and it
 was More positive.   Is there such thing as
 slightly positive or is it just yes or no? 
 
 I will never know if the mama cat was beyond
 treatment for sure, but I do know that the test was
 done about 4 hours after I left her there and no
 treatment or exam was done before that. 
 The most important item on the list was this test. 
 
 We are looking for another vet.
 
 Deana
 
 
 




article on releasing /not testing for felk in feral cats

2007-05-08 Thread janine paton
http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/info/releasing.htm

From Neighborhood Cats.  It's well written and helped
one of our hard headed vets understand why we don't
always want them to test.  She actually got it, and
said thanks after she read it. 

Janine



article on releasing /not testing for felk in feral cats

2007-05-08 Thread janine paton
http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/info/releasing.htm

From Neighborhood Cats.  It's well written and helped
one of our hard headed vets understand why we don't
always want them to test.  She actually got it, and
said thanks after she read it. 

Janine



Re: Survey on IFA's turning negative

2007-04-23 Thread janine paton
I was wondering this exact question tonight.  Our
group has a pos kitten, about 6 mos, who IFA tested
pos 2 months ago.  Any chance at all he will retest
IFA negative? 

The poor kitten is in a kitty condo.  It has a hammock
and he can look out a window but he so lonely, he
wimpers when he sees another cat.  Not one of us has a
room without cats in it.  And he's not tame enough yet
for most people.  Beautiful, long haired kitten, too -
it's heartbreaking.  

Janine
--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey guys,
 
 Survey question: Have any of you ever had a cat that
 tested positive on the IFA eventually test negative
 at
 a later date?  I called and spoke with Joanie at
 Best
 Friends, the woman who is normally at Casa de
 Calmar. 
 I asked her about testing procedures, because I was
 considering having Toshie retested to see if she was
 still positive so I could possibly adopt her. 
 Joanie
 told me that they have had cats that have arrived at
 Best Friends that subsequently sero-converted (what
 we
 refer to as 'throwing the virus').  She said that if
 a
 cat tests positive on Elisa but negative on IFA,
 that
 they do have a chance to sero-convert.  They do not
 place these cats in Casa de Calmar, the FeLV unit,
 nor
 do they mix them with any other cats, as they can
 possibly infect others or their own sero-conversion
 can be affected by
 further exposure to FeLV.  As long as they keep
 testing positive on Elisa but negative on IFA, they
 are tested every six weeks until they get a negative
 or positive IFA.  If negative, they are mixed with
 the
 general population and put up for adoption.  If
 positive, the virus is already in their bone marrow,
 which means to the veterinary community that they
 can
 never sero-convert, and they are then placed in Casa
 de Calmar.  
 
 Thus, my question above.  I am wondering if these
 testing guidelines hold true 100% of the time.
 
 Thanks,
 :)
 Wendy
 
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret
 Meade ~~~
 
 
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RE: OT: Pregnant Feral Kitty....Questions

2007-04-14 Thread janine paton
I would spay her also, I'm sorry to say.  I don't like
it, neither do the vets, but I don't like the reality
of over population either.  We just took a little one
from a mom who could not or would not feed her babies
- the other 2 siblings died.  Next night, young tame
mother brought to animal control in distress and
bleeding - 3 dead kittens inside of her.  

I trapped a feral cat once, who looked so pregnant to
me - just HUGE - but with runny eyes, horrible
neighborhood, outside in freezing sleet - I could not
bring myself to spay her.  Thought for sure she'd have
her kittens the next day.  THREE WEEKS LATER she gave
birth - joke was on me!   2 great kittens, 2 not so
great - 5 yrs later still have one of those kittens
who strikes me as border-line autistic.  I love him
dearly, but who else will? 

But if you decide to NOT spay her, please ask a good
vet if she should be de-wormed or vaccinated.  I can
never remember these things, but if she needs to wait
until after her litter is born, no big deal. 

 
--- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Terrie,
 
 I agree with Nina. I just made this difficult
 decision last week and had
 Nonie (a rescue) spay/abort. However, this is such a
 personal choice; you
 have to do what you feel is right. I took in 3
 rescues/foster cats last
 week, and I don't run a shelter. Since I couldn't
 afford it if Nonie had
 babies, I decided to do this. Also, I know that
 where I live, trying to find
 a home for these three fosters will be next to
 impossible let alone a
 litter. But, I know it's a delicate and
 controversial issue-one that I
 grappled with quite a bit. Good luck with Little
 Girl-poor baby! Best
 Wishes, Melissa
 
  
 
   _  
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Nina
 Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:33 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: OT: Pregnant Feral KittyQuestions
 
  
 
 I see you haven't removed the invisible sign
 welcoming wayward ones from
 your front lawn :-) .  I Googled your question about
 worming pregnant cats
 and got conflicting answers. If it where me, esp
 given her age and
 circumstance, I'd have her spayed and the kittens
 aborted.  It may sound
 harsh, but I've come to that conclusion from harsh
 realities.  I completely
 understand and respect your decision to let her have
 her kittens, esp if she
 is in good health and you are able to take on the
 responsibility.  I love
 the babies and even with my harsh opening disclaimer
 would be thrilled to
 hear the pitter patter of little kitten paws about
 the place.  If you are
 going to take this on, I would bring her to the vet
 and have her checked.
 At the very least, get a stool sample and have it
 checked for worms.  I know
 there are certain worms that can be dangerous for
 the kittens.  From the
 behavior you describe, I'm betting Little Girl will
 tame up in no time.  She
 sounds like she is reaching out to you and has had
 at least some good
 experiences with humans.  What a smart girl to have
 found her way to you!
 Congratulations.  Please keep us informed,
 Nina
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 Hi all,
 
 It looks as we have a Feral pregnant Mom that
 has found her way to us.
 I'm going to trap her and put her on my back porch
 so she can tame down.
 Also have her babies safely. She is just a tiger
 strip kitty and very small.
 I have named her Little Girl
 
 My question is Can she be wormed?
 
 Do you recommend she be vaccinated before or after
 the birth of the kittens?
 
 I use Heska...it is intra nasal vaccination on my
 cats. I've never had any
 problems with it.
 
 I can tell she wants to be friendly with me. I can
 get about 2 feet from her
 and drop some food down. I back off and she eats it
 up.
 
 I have been feeding her with my other Feral kitties.
 
 I normally wouldn't ask these questions but never
 had a pregnant kitty
 either that lived outside that is feral. I can tell
 she is a baby herself
 she is under a year old at the most maybe 7-9 months
 old. 
 
 I will get her spayed for free after the babies are
 born.
 
  
 
 So as you can see I'm clueless on this!
 
 Thanks for your help in this matter.
 
 Hugs to all
 
  
 
 Terrie Mohr-Forker 
 
 




2 very different positives Ross and Prince

2007-01-31 Thread janine paton
Hello, 

I'm with a rescue group and have questions about 2
different cats who have tsted positive.  Ross -   A
family we connected with rescued a front declawed,
orange 2 yr old male from an abandoned building 2 yrs
ago.  He test leukemia positive.  Family did not give
up on him and he has lived in child's bedroom since. 
He's 4 now, they recently retested him and he is still
positive.  The family would keep him but would rather
he have a more normal life because he's a really nice
cat and maybe a little lonely.  

Someone is interested in adopting the cat and we know
her - she's a good mom and recently lost her orange
female to cancer.  Here's my first question - 

4 yr old very healthy and happy male - am I correct in
thinking he has a good shot at a long life since he's
past that 2 yr mark and has never been sick? 

2nd cat Prince - trapped him a few weeks ago.  Looks
like a 3 month old kitten but is getting his adult
teeth so in reality closer to 5 months.Was
extremely dehydrated and constipated, and very skinny
under his very matted fur.  Absolutely beautiful
kitten, but something is off about him.  Should I
get my hopes up about Prince retesting negative in a
month?  

Opinions/best guesses please? 

Janine



Re: vet in Ct

2006-10-22 Thread janine paton
This is a vet on our org's board.  Her name is Elaine
Parliman and her email is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  She's based in Norwalk,
CT, and makes house calls. 

Janine  

--- kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 10:59 AM 10/22/2006, you wrote:
 
 I will pass this on to her. Sadly she lost Binky ..
 KELLY
 
 Hi- sorry...I just read post requesting referral
 for vet in Ct.  New 
 England Cat Care in Amity(right of Merritt Parkway)
 is wonderful. 
 203-387-6369. They only care for felines. It is a
 husband-wife team. 
 He is also a registered pharmacist for many years
 before going to 
 vet school. I found them when I was in Ct and used
 them for all my 
 special needs kitties when my regular vet had given
 up or just 
 wasn't well enough versed in special care/needs.
 They are wonderful 
 and so very,very caring. Now that I am in northern
 Vt- I 
 really,really miss them. There have been several
 times when I 
 thought of taking certain kitties back down to them
 4 1/2 
 hourshope this helps.
 
 Roxanne

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Ridgefield, Connecticut - 2 leukemia pos girls

2006-08-07 Thread janine paton
Guy called today.  Going through divorce, wife does
not want the cats. He's moving back in with his
parents, who have a cat, but are thankfully away for a
week.  When he called, he was driving around with his
cats in his car.  I asked him to bring the cats to his
parents' house and put them in a confined area and
give me a chance to place them.  

Leukemia positive, both 3 yrs old, one all grey, one
calico, both affectionate sweet cats.

He's pretty sure his parents will not let the cats
stay there.  

I am depressingly overloaded.  Does anyone know of a
safe place for these girls?

Thanks, 

Janine



Re: 2 littermates - one pos/one neg

2006-06-14 Thread janine paton
Thank you all! 

I would prefer they stay together also and will try to
talk the woman who trapped the mom into that.  Our vet
thinks we should separate the kittens from the mom
now, but I am wondering if the negative kitten is
immune anyway.  How much more prolonged contact can
you get than birth and motherhood in a crate???

BTW, the mom had 5 kittens - one stillborn, 2 died
within a week.  I suppose that could be leukemia but
could have been  the tremendous amount of stress that
mom must have been under.

--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Janine,
 I agree with Belinda and Rachel.  I would keep them
 together, for both 
 their sakes.  Poor little lambs have been through so
 much already.  Have 
 you been reading the posts lately?  We just had a
 kitten on the list 
 apparently turn out to be a false pos.  I know it's
 less likely in your 
 case, given that other members of the colony are
 testing pos too, but 
 your little boy is only 7 weeks and may very well be
 testing pos because 
 of his mother's antibodies still.  Whatever you
 decide, I know that you 
 have their best interest at heart.  Still, I'm
 praying that they can be 
 kept together and adopted out to someone that cares
 as much as we do for 
 their quality of life.
 Thanks for all you do,
 Nina
 
 janine paton wrote:
 
 Hi all, 
 
 Two brothers, 7 weeks today tested one positive,
 one
 negative for leukemia.  The mom is feral, and has
 not
 been tested yet, but her sister tested positive. 
 The
 mom had been trapped by someone trying to do the
 right
 thing, but the kittens were born beforre she could
 get
 her to the vet.  All have been living together
 crated
 in this person's home.  
 
 As an organization, we had a pair of littermates
 testing the same as these 2, and we let them stay
 together.  The positive cat died at around 3 yrs,
 the
 negative cat is still negative (and has recently
 been
 adopted!) so it's not entirely new to me but what's
 the best thing to do?  Try to adopt them out as a
 pair?  Separate them now?  Or it doesn't matter at
 this point, even if the negative kitten is so
 young?  
 
 The test was Elysa and we are re-running both. 
 
 Thanks! 
 
 Janine
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 




2 littermates - one pos/one neg

2006-06-13 Thread janine paton
Hi all, 

Two brothers, 7 weeks today tested one positive, one
negative for leukemia.  The mom is feral, and has not
been tested yet, but her sister tested positive.  The
mom had been trapped by someone trying to do the right
thing, but the kittens were born beforre she could get
her to the vet.  All have been living together crated
in this person's home.  

As an organization, we had a pair of littermates
testing the same as these 2, and we let them stay
together.  The positive cat died at around 3 yrs, the
negative cat is still negative (and has recently been
adopted!) so it's not entirely new to me but what's
the best thing to do?  Try to adopt them out as a
pair?  Separate them now?  Or it doesn't matter at
this point, even if the negative kitten is so young?  

The test was Elysa and we are re-running both. 

Thanks! 

Janine

 



Re: FIV resources

2006-06-02 Thread janine paton
I think FIV cats seem to be the sweetest too - trapped
one the other day and the poor boy peed in the trap,
he was so frightened.  That's the first time that's
ever happened to me. 

There are a whole bunch of rescue people a little
north of where I am who instead of saying the cat
tested FIV+, say the cat has AIDS.  It bugs me!  Maybe
coincidently, maybe not, the vets they use tend to
think they should be put down too.  Kills me! 

Janine

--- Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No big deal -- those were the exact words of one
 of my vets when Scooter tested FIV+  And my current
 vet (part of an AAHA certified veterinary hospital)
 is also similarly enlightened, including on the
 question of FIV+ and FIV- cats mixing.  I know how
 lucky I am.  I know this is not the standard across
 the US
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Lucky you, with a vet
 like that! No, I remember 
 MC (tenhousecats) saying that at their large 
 rescue up in Michigan, the FIV's were sweet and 
 laid back - and all mine six are (and healthy too,
 no problelms).
 
 Gloria
 
 
 
 At 08:56 AM 6/2/2006, you wrote:
 We've got an FIV guy here...the sweetest, most laid
 back little dude
 I've ever met! I didn't know much about FIV other
 than it was pretty
 hard to spread it and that cats can live relatively
 normal lives with
 the virus. But what really set me straight was the
 attitude of my vet
 who basically said, No big deal, I've got one at
 my house who mingles
 with all of my other cats! As much as I knew in my
 heart it was no big
 deal, it really gave me a peace of mind hearing it
 from an expert,
 so-to-speak! :)
 
 Education is probably the key, and having more vets
 out there to dispel
 the myths would certainly come in handy (and this
 goes for FeLV, too)!
 
 As an aside, is it true that FIV cats seem to be
 some of the coolest
 cats around, or is it just me? ;)
 
 


 But if you tame me, then we shall need each other.
 To me, you will be
 unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique
 in all the world; You
 become responsible, forever, for what you have
 tamed... --Antoine de
 Saint-Exupéry
 
 If you talk to the animals they will talk with you
 and you will know
 each other. If you do not talk to them you will not
 know them, and what
 you do not know you will fear. What one fears one
 destroys. --Chief Dan
 George
 
 The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as
 long... --Blade Runner
 
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 8:37 am
 Subject: Re: FIV resources
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
   It's discouraging. I have never placed an FIV+
 cat. I have 5 or
   6,
   and they're wonderful. Something to work on, I
 guess.
  
   Gloria
  
  
   At 01:29 AM 6/2/2006, you wrote:
   I have a couple of FIV+ cats of my own and a
 beautiful little
   Siamese mix foster who is FIV+ They take longer
 to place. We
   have
   to try harder. We have to work at educating
 people. But we have
   to
   get the message out that FIV cats can live long
 happy lives and
   are
   not furry little lepers. Consider how language
 reflects mindset
   and
   affects actions. Does it really take longer to
 place an FIV cat
   than a senior or a special needs cat? Or an all
 black cat? Some
   take longer than others.
   
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I have one up for adoption too... they are hard
 to place.
   
   Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)
   http://ucat.us
   http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
   Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat
 Rescue:
   http://ucat.us/adopt.html
   PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:
   Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely
 injured when someone
   wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,
   Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to
 bring Tangle to
   Vermont to find him a good home!
   http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html
   DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for
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l-lysine for kittens

2006-05-18 Thread janine paton
Anyone know the dose of lysine to give to kittens? 
They are 4 months, a little thin.  

Thanks, 

Janine



Re: OT: heartbroken

2006-05-11 Thread janine paton
I've also trapped moms using kittens for bait.  It's
heartbreaking until you see the mom weeks after the
spay  and she looks so much better and relaxed.  

Think of it this way - if you didn't try this - the
kittens will get bigger, she will have a harder time
caring for them.  They will start wandering and
something could happen to them.  She will get pregnant
again and not want that litter anymore.  

When I've brought a feral mom in with kittens and mom
sees I'm willing to take care of the kittens, she is
relieved and it's probably the first break she's had
in a long time.  I've had mothers who are sick but you
wouldn't even know it until they understand they no
longer have pretend to be fine just because they have
kittens.

I also will show the kittens to the mom when I can but
I always  tell her it's OK, her babies are fine.

Take a deep breath and go for the spay - it will make
a big difference in her quality of life.



--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've done this with kittens and their Momma.  I too
 was upset about 
 having to put the kittens through the experience,
 but it worked like a 
 charm and the kitten did fine.  I didn't use all the
 kittens, just the 
 strongest guy.  If you continue to trap, you'd be
 doing the ferals a 
 great service by having them s/n and then returning
 them to the site.  I 
 know you have problems with the return part of
 TNR, but please think 
 about it, you would be saving kitties suffering down
 the line.
 Love to you sweetheart,
 Nina
 
 Joan Doljan wrote:
 
  A good way to catch the mother is to put the
 kittens in a closed 
  carrier directly infront of an opened, baited
 trap.
 
  */Hideyo Yamamoto
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
 
  Hi, everyone, I wanted to share a couple of
 new things -
  I rescued three baby cats yesterday who were
 living under the
  crawl space of the abandoned house, which is
 now bought and be
  ready to be renovated.. the new owner was
 planning to get rid of
  the kittens along with all the kitties who
 live under the crawl
  space and I offered to take them.  The babies
 were actually under
  the hole under the crawl space which only the
 size of my entire
  hand and thought I and Kathy (my rescue
 friend) were never going
  to be able to get them out... but finally
 using a little fish net
  to get one by one out - they were only 6 weeks
 old, one calico,
  one tabby and one turtleshell (?) and they are
 all so cute.
   
  The one sad thing is that their mama came to
 look for the babies
  while we were under the crawl space, she was
 so worried about us
  doing something to the babies.. one time, I
 thought we should just
  leave and have the mama take care of the
 babies and I worry that
  later on, she might take babies some other
 crawl space near there
  (there a few, unfortunately), and people might
 close the crawl
  space without knowing that they were there..
 the mama came back
  several times (while we were there as we were
 there for about 5
  hours).. I felt very bad for mama but I
 decided to take the babies
  from her..
   
  I tried to trap the mama kitty last night but
 I couldn't - there
  are several kitties there.. I trapped one who
 looked like mama..
  but she must be from mama's previous litter -
 she is less than a
  year old..
   
  Anyway, I wanted to ask you to pray that I
 will be able to catch
  mama soon (I probably could, if I don't mind
 catching all other
  kitties who live there.. but I don't know
 where I could put them
  now as I am running out of crate) --- and the
 mama will stay safe
  and she will not be worrying too much about
 their babies. I am
  heartbroken for the mama -I feel very badly
 for taking the babies
  from their mama...I know that this is probably
 the right thing..
  but I still cannot not think about the mama...
   
 
 
 




Re: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!

2006-04-03 Thread janine paton
No experience here but much interest in the responses!
 My wood floors and carpeted upstairs are trashed!

I can't see my husband and I laying tile ourselves but
maybe some people from the organization will help us. 


Janine

-- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey guys,
 
 My husband and I have decided to go with the tile in
 replacing our carpet in the living room, hallway and
 one bedroom, plus we figure we might as well replace
 the kitchen and master bath linoleum while we're at
 it
 as it needs replacing too. We're going to move on
 this
 in the next two weeks, since I'm having foot surgery
 on the 25th of April and would like it completed by
 then.  There is some beautiful tile out there.  What
 stinks is that the labor costs twice as much as the
 tile.  So if you have a 10x10 room, and the tile is
 2$
 per square foot (on average), it's going to cost you
 $200 for just the tile.  But the labor is another
 $3.25 (HD) or $3.50 (Lowe's) per square foot, so
 what
 we could do for $200 will end up costing us
 $525-550. 
 That's a lot!  And when you're talking about 800
 square feet, it gets expensive.  Plus, sealing the
 tile is extra (we will for sure do that ourselves),
 and tearing up the carpet is extra (we'll do that
 too), and floor prep is extra (probably do that
 too!!!).  LOL.  So we might possibly lay the tile
 ourselves with help from a few friends who have
 already done it.  My husband is scared to do it-he
 doesn't want to mess our house up.  I am more the
 do-it-yourself type, so I'm all for it.  Anyone out
 there ever lay tile?  Any thoughts or advice?
 
 :)
 Wendy
 
 
 
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Re: Need help and prayers for my sister's lost cat

2006-03-25 Thread janine paton
Try www.catsinthebag.org

--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Everyone,
 My sister's (Connie), inside-only tuxedo cat went
 missing sometime last 
 night.  His name is Tux and he's short haired, and
 about 2yrs, with the 
 sweetest little kitten face.  They think he may have
 snuck out when a 
 visitor left the screen door ajar, (the visitor left
 around 9pm).  They 
 didn't miss him until this morning because my nephew
 thought he was 
 sleeping with my sister and my sister thought he was
 with my nephew.  
 They are sick with worry.  Not only has he never
 been outside before, 
 but he's very skittish and they live in coyote
 territory.  Being out at 
 night is a death sentence for any small pets in
 their neighborhood.  To 
 make matters worse, he has short little legs and he
 can't even jump on a 
 counter, let alone scale a wall.  I've set a trap in
 her front yard and 
 they've confined their other cat to the bedroom so
 they can leave the 
 front door open.  She's already put up fliers and
 tomorrow we'll be 
 canvassing the neighborhood door to door with his
 picture and info.  
 Please, please, please take a moment to send out
 positive thoughts to 
 help him find his way home safely.  This is doubly
 hard on Connie 
 because her 17 year old dog just crossed about a
 month ago.
 
 I called several professional ACs today, but no one
 has called me back 
 yet.  If anyone on the AC group can help contact him
 we'd be so 
 appreciative.  I can only imagine how scared he is
 and how disoriented.  
 I've posted a couple of pictures under Come home
 Tux, (I hope I did it 
 right!).
 Thank you so much,
 Nina
 
 
 




Re: FeLV + test results

2006-02-18 Thread janine paton
But is IS true with the FIV vaccine.  

Janine

--- Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I agree with Chris.  That's not so with the FeLV
 vaccine.  My Siggie was always vaccinated and has
 always tested negative.
 
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 Sammi, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl,
 Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec  Salome' =^..^=
 
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   - Original Message - 
   From: Chrismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   To:

felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
   Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 4:42 PM
   Subject: RE: FeLV + test results
 
 
   I think that this is only for FIV vaccine, not
 FELV... but I may be wrong on
   that
 
   Chris
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   -Original Message-
   From:

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   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Karolyn Lount
   Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 6:29 AM
   To:

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   Subject: FeLV + test results
 
   I learned something the other day I did not know.
 If a cat is vaccinated
   against getting FeLV all its life it will test
 positive. So it could
   very well be that a rescue cat that tests positive
 is not. This is what
   my new vet told me. I feel this all the more
 reason not to put down
   those that test positive. 
 
 
 
 
 
 




Re: OT: Best canned food (poll for everyone)

2006-01-26 Thread janine paton
Here is a good list

 http://www.catinfo.org/commercialcannedfoods.htm

Most importantly, the catinfo.org website explains WHY
it's a good list.  Dr. Pierson did such a good job
putting all of this together and when I asked her for
permission to post to our website she said Yes,
whatever you can do that helps cats - she really
cares. 

Please read about why not dry food, and why not grain
- it makes so much sense! 

Site also has a recipe for raw, how to read labels
(like don't let the protein content fool you!), how to
switch dry food junkies over to canned or raw - really
well done. 

I fed raw for years, but can't do it right now because
I have more cats than I care to count but for now I'm
feeding Wellness because I can get it here.  It's not
a perfect answer but way better than most other
commercial foods.  

Site also has listed references to look up or link to.
 

Janine


--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for the info. Michelle.  Here is a link to
 the
 website I was looking at with Felidae on it: 

http://www.thecatconnection.com/page/TCC/CTGY/FOD-WET
 
 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Of those, I have only tried Felidae (chicken and
  rice flavor), Wellness  (all 
  kinds), and Innova.  The cats would only eat
 Innova
  every once in a  while, 
  so even though I liked the ingredients best they
 do
  not get it very often  
  (Ginger is the only one on normal food right now
  anyway, and she is currently  
  obsessed with ProPlan Chicken and Rice and Salmon
  and Rice and will not eat  
  anything else!).  They have been obsessed, on and
  off, with the Felidae  chicken 
  and rice and the Wellness chicken and herring. 
 They
  seem to do  fine on them, 
  except that when Patches was eating the Wellness
  chicken and  herring too much 
  she got struvite crystals, but Ginger did not.  I
  would  get Felidae if I 
  could find it-- I got in MA all the time, but in
 NJ
  no one  seems to carry it.
   
  Michelle
  
 
 
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Re: Bad news about Starman - OT (long)

2006-01-17 Thread janine paton
I always thought those big FIV cats are just the
sweetest -  just never heard anyone come out and say
that! 

Lucky person who gets found by one of those cats - my
big, scary looking guy was the best cat I've ever
lived with.  My husband went from calling him a
monster - this was fear I think for the other cats,
and his bloody mouth - to crying like a baby when the
cat passed.  

My vet at that time had 4 FIV's and 4 negs for years
living together and she tested them every year, since
she could do that on her own, and nothing ever
changed. 

Congratulations and give him a big head butt for me -
I really miss that!

Janine

--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nina,

   As soon as you said 'big intact male' I KNEW he
 was going to be fiv positive.  Since you asked for
 opinions I'm going to give you mine.  I hope you
 don't take offense.

   We had a stray cat living around our lake house
 that we visit on weekends only.  He looked horrible.
  His ears were all bloody and bent down.  He was
 grungy.  He would walk around and cry when we were
 there, but would never let us catch him.  His eyes
 were crusty and he drooled constantly.  He was in
 really, really bad shape.  The first weekend I saw
 him I found out he had been hanging around and
 people were trying to run him off.  You can imagine
 how well that went over with me.

   So I spent all weekend trying to catch him, but
 didn't have a carrier, trap, anything with me.  At
 that time I was not into rescue. I had 3 cats at
 home.  (My first 3 I'd ever had.)  He was HUGE, and
 I was afraid of him.  Well I couldn't catch him and
 everyone was saying someone should shoot him and put
 him out of his misery.  I told my grandfather if he
 did such a thing I would NEVER speak to him again,
 and he believed me.  We had a huge argument about
 how I had too many cats. (3- lol)

   I had to work during the week, but the next week I
 went back with a carrier, tuna, and sardines.  I
 didn't even know there was such a thing as a 'cat
 trap'!  After hours and hours I tricked him into the
 carrier sometime Friday night.  He went beserk,
 foaming at the mouth, his ears all bloody, sneezing,
 etc The next morning I found a local vet and
 took the cat in squawling to have him put to sleep.

   Well, the vet said the cat was fine and there was
 no reason to put him to sleep!  He had scratched his
 ears raw due to earmites.  He had buckshot in his
 ears that the doctor removed. grrr!  He
 had an upper resp. infection and some bad teeth.

   I didn't know what to do.  I couldn't take this
 sick cat that I was scared to death of home!  The
 vet said Why don't you just take him home and let
 him be an outdoor cat?  So I thought that was a
 better choice than pts so I said yes.  He kept him
 until the next weekend for me and neutered him
 etc

   During that week I put up a fence for a few
 thousand dollars so dogs wouldn't bother my 'new
 outdoor cat'.  I brought him home the next week. 
 The vet said he was fine, but I was still afraid of
 him.  I decided to keep him in a cage until his
 antibiotics were finished.  His ears were so gross I
 didn't even want to touch him.  Everyone who saw him
 had a fit asking why I brought this horrible looking
 bloody cat home.

   After a few more days I decided to just let him
 out on my screened porch because I was afraid if I
 put him outside right away he would run away.  This
 cat would come up to me and try to head butt me with
 his bloody head. He would follow me around like a
 dog.  He weighed nearly 20 pounds, looked like a
 mongrel, and I was STILL afraid of him.  I kept
 waiting for him to cry to go outside or bolt toward
 the door when I opened it, but that never happened. 
 Over the days of course I petted him some, but was
 still afraid.

   Finally I let him in the house with everyone else.
  The first night he snuggled right up with me on the
 bed.  He was the biggest loverboy I've ever known. 
 Soon his ears healed, but they were always scarred.
 He looked like a scottish fold with lots of scars. 
 I had named him Brutus because he was such a big
 Brute.  Anyone who's been on the list for years like
 me has heard me talk about my Brutus.  He was THE
 most loving cat I've ever had.  EVERYONE fell in
 love with him.  Every time I had company they wanted
 to take him home.  He was almost like a person. 
 When I would talk about who would take my cats if
 something happened to me everyone always said they'd
 take Brutus!  He was s cool.

   He is the one that I wrote about that would eat so
 much he would throw up most of the time.  I guess he
 had been starved for so long.  I had to feed him
 small amounts at a time or NEVER let the dishes go
 empty or he would overeat and get sick.

   It's too late to make such a long story short, but
 after about 7 years I noticed he was losing weight. 
 By that time I had TONS of cats (20 or more at a
 time) that 

Re: Sweet Angel Sam/Add to CLS

2006-01-15 Thread janine paton
I can't imagine what this is like for you either. 
Peace to you and LIghtening Bug.  

I hope all the love we have for these cats gets
wrapped around them and makes that journey easier. 
 

.  --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Del,

   I found your message about Sam.  Again, I'm so
 sorry.  Yes, it is hard to lose them so close
 together.  I've never lost 2 so close together so
 can only imagine your pain.  :(

   tonya
 
 Del H. Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My sweet boy passed away early this
 morning while I talked to him and held his hand. 
 His last 24+ hours was bad, I didn't expect him to
 last as long as he did.  His first clot was
 mid-November with back end paralysis but he regained
 some limb function. He threw another saddle clot
 Sunday night but rallied, then Wednesday night threw
 another and it was downhill from there.  He was not
 going to survive when he continued to throw these
 clots frequently while on the meds and his heart was
 inconsistent.  Ten minutes before he died Lightning
 Bug, his sister, lay in front of his crate for five
 minutes his head was right next to hers, like they
 were sharing unspoken thoughts before he moved on. 
 He and Effie used to look at each other in
 admiration through the screen door, now they are
 finally playing together.
   It's hard losing two in a week.  
   Del
 
 
 




Re: Patches and Bupenephrine (sp?)

2006-01-08 Thread janine paton
MIchelle, I honestly don't know if the SE effects the
PH, but I'm pretty sure grain does. 

When Benjamin blocked, I got really scared about what
to feed him.  I really didn't like the vet-recommended
food but I needed someone I respected to tell me it
was OK to take the jump and feed him raw, so I sent
Michelle at www.blakkatz.com an email.  She's so smart
about why to feed a raw diet, and she replied, and I
took the jump. And sure enough, all of it makes
perfect (common) sense. 

Benjamin is a tough cat to handle, (biker in a
previous life) and horrible at the vet.  They sedated
him, put in the catheter, IV's, E - collar and next
morning, he had removed EVERYTHING, and was really,
really mad - they were relieved when I took him home -
bad candidate to make a mistake on!

But, it's the idiopathic cystitis I'm more confident
using SE on, not the high Ph kind.  The high Ph and
crystals is what I'd feed the raw diet for tho.  And
once they start eating it, it's a big hit.  We used to
make a huge bowl of it, plop it out to all the dishes,
it was gone in 5 minutes.  The big bonus when you have
a lot of cats to feed, is the litter boxes are so much
easier to clean, so much less smell!!! and much less
waste cuz they are actually using what they are
eating.  And they don't drink as much water either,
because they don't need to, which, as desert animals,
is how they are supposed to be.  

I used to use Feline Future and I think it's fine.  I
eventually followed the whole chicken leg diet, bone
and all through the grinder from catnutrition.org.

I'd also retest his urine at home with those little
pellets in a plastic jar.  I understand nerves can
make the Ph higher too and vets = nerves.   I thought
I heard something about Ph strips once but don't
remember where.  I would think at-home Ph watch would
be a good idea, for peace of mind if nothing else.  

I don't know why the SE wouldn't soothe irritated
membranes even if it was high Ph and crystals and I
think if I go through that again, I would try it.

It just doesn't make any sense that all these cats
would have so many UTI, diabetes, middle age kidney
failure, thyroid, -and-everything-else- problems and
they've been on the planet for thousands years.  Why
would nature make an animal like that?  I think it's
how we feed them. And maybe over vaccinating too?

As far as Evo, the dry food without grain, well, it's
still dry and I still don't like it.  If you pour a
little water over Evo, won't the Evo suck the water
up?  So what happens in a cat's (desert-evolved) body?


Sorry so long, just bugs me! 

Janine



   --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Janine, one question: I use slippery elm often for
 stomach and intestinal  
 upsets, but have never used it for urinary tract
 upsets.  It doesn't make  the 
 ph of the urine more basic? Patches has really high
 ph-- 8.5, much too  basic.  
  
 Thanks,
 Michelle
 





Re: Patches and Bupenephrine (sp?)

2006-01-08 Thread janine paton
I don't have any FeLV cats here now, but I did have a
FeLv kitten for 6 months here, and I started him on
raw immediately.  He came in pretty sick too.  He
eventually went into a foster home with a positive
room, and he was so much happier with company, but
when here, he ate that raw like there was no tomorrow,
and he had a very excellent coat.  Never had a problem
with t he raw with him at all.  

I also had an FIV cat who was symptomatic when I
trapped him - 8 yrs old, horrible
gingivitis/stomatitis - starving but screamed when he
ate.  I fed him raw, sometimes off my fingers, and
treated him with homeopathy  before he finally
succumbed to cancer 2 yrs later.  But those 2 yrs were
so perfect, and for the most part, he was very
comfortable and very active.  

Before all that, I had an old girl I fostered.  Little
thing, bad temperment, in CRF.  I took away her dry
food, and fed her a premium, HIGH PROTEIN canned food
and she died years later from cancer, not CRF.  I
didn't think she could take raw food at the time, but
I would not hesitate to feed raw to a cat like her
now.  

When I fed raw, I was careful.  I bought the freshest
meat I could find and usually free-range, followed a
diet whether Feline Future, blakkatz, or catnutrition.
 My cats had maybe 1/2 hr to eat it, then all bowls
were picked up, which wasn't a problem because they
all ate it immediately.  No dry food in-between, just
breakfast and dinner.  And hugs between meals.  

No one was fat, everyone had a beautiful coat and good
breath.  Also have one cat with what I think is IBD,
but she never once vomited on raw.  

No kitten diarreah either from all those just-trapped
kittens, and those kittens attacking the raw was
something to be seen!  

Other than that, I'm a long time vegetarian!  But cats
are not. 

Janine



--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 Thanks for all the info. If that is true about
 stress making the ph higher,  
 then that could be an explanation with Patches. Her
 teeth are hurting her  
 terribly (so much she is on narcotic shots twice a
 day until her dental surgery  
 on Wednesday).  I thought it was just a bad
 coincidence that she developed  
 the urinary tract problem at the same time as her
 teeth getting really painful,  
 but maybe the pain from her teeth stressed her so
 much it caused her urine ph 
 to  go up.
  
 Anyway, we are off on our raw adventure. I hope we
 have good luck with  it.  
 I was nervous about feeding raw because they are
 FeLV+ and some people  who 
 feed raw say not to feed it to cats who are
 immune-compromised.  But a  holistic 
 vet answered someone else's question about this on
 the Best Friends  website 
 and said it is ok and probably immune enhancing, so
 I am trying it. Is  
 Benjamin FeLV+? If not, do you feed raw to your
 FeLV+ cat/s?
  
 Michelle
  
 In a message dated 1/8/2006 9:08:28 P.M. Eastern
 Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I  understand nerves can
 make the Ph higher too and vets = nerves.I
 
 
  
 





Re: Patches and Bupenephrine (sp?)

2006-01-07 Thread janine paton
Excuse me for coming into this in the middle, so I
hope I'm not repreating anything but if interstitial
cystitis is the one that recurrs, sometimes has blood
in the urine, no bacteria and cyrstals or stone, I use
slippery elm.  Natures Way is one compnay that makes
it and it comes in capsules.  Here's what I do - 

About 1/4 cup hot water, mix in about 1/3 capsule
slippery elm.  Add about 1 Tablespoon of the SE/water
mixture to canned food am and pm for a couple of
days,a then I back off to once a day for a couple more
days.  

Slippery Elm is a classic treatment for soothing
inflammed mucous membranes. It breaks that cycle  of
inflammation, irritation, distress which leads to 
inflammation, irritation, distress.  

I have a can of Waltham's SO that I never used.  One
of my cats was returned for peeing outside the box and
he then blocked, so he DID have crystals, which is
obviously very serious, and slippery elm may have
helped, but not completely cured.His vet wanted me
to put him on the SO, since it's neutral, but I didn't
like the ingredients.  I put the cat (who'd been
adopted for a year and on Science Diet dry food) on a
raw diet.  It's been 2 years, and he's fine.  

The canned SO ingredients, besides the mystery
by-products, has water as its first ingredient. 
That's good as cats have evolved to get most of their
moisture from their prey, in other words, in their
food.  No grain in the ingredients either -  that's
interesting to me because cats are obligate carnivores
and do not have any use for, or any way to assimilate,
grains - I'm thinking that this company knows that the
use of grains in cat food throws their PH off, but
hey, grain is cheap, so it's OK in everything else.   
Canned SO is preserved with BHA/BHT which is toxic to
cats and all other living things.  And the last
ingredient, dl-METHIONINE, is an amino acid that is
naturally ocurring in raw meat, which is nature's
neutral cat food. 

But I've had 5 or 6 cats with that cystitis that comes
from anxiety, and that's what I use the slippery elm
for.  

Winn Feline Foundation talks about that kind of
cystitis.  And catnutrition.org explains the dry
food/grain thing very well, has a great recipe for raw
food,  lists decent canned food and very helpful links
and references. 

My cats were on a raw diet for 7 or 8 yrs, but I have
too many now and don't have the energy to do it
anymore.  They're on Wellness canned (not dry!) now
and my cat who blocked is still fine.  Not that I
think Wellness is perfect, but better than a lot. 

I get hot about this subject, but I feel so sorry for
some of these cats who go through all that stuff
because of IMO big business and marketing. 

Janine 









--- Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've had Smoky on the s/o food that normalizes urine
 pH since his first episode a year ago.  The 2nd bout
 was the week of Thanksgiving, the 3rd, with struvite
 and bacteria, was Dec 8th and the 4th was on the
 22nd while he was still on treatment for the
 crystals and bacteria from the previous bout.  With
 this last one, the crystals were gone and there was
 no bacteria at all, yet all the same damn symptoms. 
 I feel so bad for him during these flare-ups because
 he's utterly miserable.  The s/d food cleared up the
 crystals very quickly and we're back to the s/o
 food.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  the raw diet is
 supposed to help with cystitis and struvite
 crystals. I am  about to try it with Lucy for
 chronic loose stools, and am thinking of trying it 
 with Patches after her surgery (knock on wood) for
 her urinary tract  problems.
  Michelle
   
  In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:45:55 P.M. Eastern
 Standard Time,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Italways amazes me that more vets don't provide
 good pain control forcats.  The only narcotic
 that I know of close to that name is buprenex,   
 but it's delivered orally and is good for 8 ish
 hours. Since the week ofThanksgiving, Smoky has
 had 3 flare-ups of cystitis, only one of which
 showedstruvite and bacteria, the other two,
 interstitial.  hmph.  Anyway,one of the standard
 things we do for him is to give him a fentanyl patch
 tohelp with the pain as well as keeping him
 dosed with the anti-spasmoticacepromazine.  The
 advantage of the patch is that it provides 24/7 pain
control and does not wear off, which the oral
 meds do.
  
   
 
 
 
 
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 My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should
 impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases
 him, and making me smile. 
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Re: Fostering Fiv Cat

2006-01-02 Thread janine paton
Ah,  only a cat would have to put up with a choice
between amputation and being homeless.  

www.catsinternational.org has excellent information on
how to train a cat.  They've toned down their
article on declawing for some reason, but still make
some good points in it.  Feline Future also has a good
article on declawing, without sounding hysterical. 

Janine

 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 1/2/06 1:14:29 A.M. Eastern
 Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I know a  lot of cats get tossed out on the street
 because people don't like 
 the  scratching
 
 
 But Sherry, why don't you try to educate this vet
 about all the declawed  
 cats that end up dumped in kill shelters for litter
 box problems???
 Or those cats that are just brought into vets to be
 routinely euthanized  
 for inappropriate urination??
 My 2 Maine Coon boys each were brought in, on 2
 separate occasions, 2  
 different owners, within one month of each other to
 be euthanized Peeing  
 outside of box.
 Year+ later, they are both doing fine
 Too damn big to be declawed...Each over 25
 lbs.!!  Whatever were  these 
 people thinking??
 Anyway, since you're volunteering there, maybe you
 can talk to this vet  
 about how inhumane declawing is.
 You know, it is illegal in Europe, and even
 California is talking about  
 outlawing it.
 It should be illegal.
 It's just cruelty, plain  simple.
 And, Sherry, I know you are against it, I'm just
 having one of my  rants
 Patti
 
 




Re: advice needed re half-adopted cat

2005-12-20 Thread janine paton
Kerry, I agree with Gloria - would be surprised if the cat was chipped, at least by the half-adopters.  Can you lure the cat away from the building and out of site of the cameras (for instance - KFC thigh meat, esp warmed so the smell carries might make her walk right into a carrier set behind your car)Janine[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hey Kerry-Chances are the kitty has *not* been microchipped by an owner who won't even let her inside when needed - and even if so I doubt if the vet would check it unless you asked him/her to. And if you take her to your vet as your cat, well...I also doubt if talking to the owner again would be useful - might even be counter productive.Sure she can help this kitty -Good luck
 -GloriaAt 12:37 PM 12/20/2005, you wrote:Hi guysThe same good friend who told me about the kitty with litterbox problems that was under threat of pts (apparently happily resolved, for now at any rate) updated me on another situation.Background:Misha is a stray that was sort of taken in by the people who work in a studio at the same business complex where my friend works. I say sort of because although two of the workers took her to the vet after she was badly attacked, and although they feed her, they don't take her home at the weekend: ie no one is actually making Misha their responsibility. In the summer and fall Misha would be found outside after they had all locked up and gone home for the weekend. When my friend, distressed by Misha's situation, offered to try to find Misha a home, the studio owner (who my friend says seems to be a reasonable,
 decent guy) rejected the proposal, saying that they had "adopted" her. Recently -- and it is really cold now--- my friend found Misha miaowing in vain at the studio door to be let in. My friend knocked on the door, and one of the other workers (not the owner) opened it. When she explained the cat needed to come in, the response to her was "Haven't you got anything better to do?"Q--where do we go from here?If my friend just takes Misha, there's a chance a surveillance camera will record the action as it's a business location. Also, even if she did that, when she takes her to the vet, what happens if she's been microchipped by those people? Is the vet legally/ethically prevented from removing the chip and replacing it? Obligated to contact the people? My friend would not be keeping Misha as she's allergic to cats; she'd want my help in placing her in the shelter where I have a good
 contact. Not ideal but she would at least be cared for there. However, I'd need to know how to resolve the chip situation first.My friend's proposal was to talk to the owner again and try to make him understand that someone needs to take proper responsibility for the cat. My feeling was that if she fails, then she will be the first person he suspects if and when she kidnaps Misha. And the scene could turn ugly.Even if I were to find and "rescue" the cat when I "happen to be passing by" at the weekend the microchip Q still arises. (We don't know if she's microchipped -- is there a way for a layperson to scan her without vet involvement?)All input/info welcome on how Misha gets the care she deserves---I've no experience in this field---yet. But I know some of you heroes do.Kerry  

Re: cat question

2005-12-15 Thread janine paton
Hi Janet, 

That simple act of rescue can certainly become
complicated.

I joined this list months ago after trapping a litter
of feral positive kittens.  I was looking for sound
advice, which I got, and I should really sign off the
list now since I can't keep up with the volume of
emails but I hang on because this is the most
sensitive, caring, THINKING list of people who love
cats, so you couldn't have landed in a better place.  

That said, having seen too many hard-luck moms
actually look grateful to have someone take over the
care of yet another litter, I spay pregnant females in
precarious positions for the mother's sake and the
fact that there are already so many healthy, homeless
kittens (and cats) out there already.  Not a perfect
answer, but one that makes sense to me, for now. 

Janine

 

--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Janet,
 
 I have to agree with everything that Nina said. 
 Having the cat spayed would probably be the humane
 thing to do.  My cat Cricket was born with Feline
 Leukemia; his mother had it.  I would like to urge
 you
 to consider keeping this cat if you are at all
 attached to it, and caring for it yourself.  FELV+
 positive is not necessarily a death sentence; many
 cats throw off the virus after they've been exposed,
 expecially those with good health care and a lot of
 love.  FELV+ cats are hard to place, and many times,
 are euthanised because a lot of vets recommend it. 
 But we do not agree with this policy.  These kitties
 deserve a happy life being loved just as much as a
 cat
 that isn't FELV+.  Cricket lived 4 and a half years,
 and probably would have lived longer had he not been
 stressed out by a house full of Hurricane Rita
 evacuees for a week, when the virus kicked in and he
 became anemic.  Because he was born FELV+, his life
 expectancy was a lot less than he actually lived. 
 Many kittens die by 6 months because their immune
 systems are so weak, and even more by two years old.
 
 No one can make this decision for you, but learn a
 little more before you make the decision and I wish
 you luck.  Let us know what you decide.  I'll keep
 you
 in my prayers.
 
 :)
 Wendy
 
 --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Janet,
  As Terri and Tonya have already mentioned, many of
  us mix adult negs 
  that have been vaccinated with pos.  It's a
  judgement call and of course 
  no matter what our success rate in doing this is,
  there's no safer 
  protection for your elderly cat than to not mix
 them
  together.  That's 
  what most vets will tell you.  Being that your
  current kitty is older, I 
  might not mix them together either.  That said, if
 I
  were in this 
  situation, I'd figure God sent her to me for a
  reason and I'd personally 
  dive in with both feet and do whatever I could to
  save her and her kittens.
  
  I am all too familiar with the heartache involved
  with pos kittens.  My 
  experience with felv came when my husband and I
  found a box of kittens 
  that were just 2.5 weeks old.  Because they were
 so
  young, I assume the 
  mother succumbed to felv from the stress of having
  them and the people 
  who abandoned them didn't know how to care for
 them.
   Why else would 
  they take them from their mother at that age?  We
  lost 2 of our babies 
  when they were about 6 mos old and two more before
  their 2nd birthday.  
  The other two are doing fine and are reaching 2.5
  yrs.  Their lives were 
  filled with love and concern and I'm not a bit
 sorry
  that I made the 
  commitment to try and save them. 
  
  Janet, you have some tough decisions ahead of you.
 
  You don't know me, 
  so you might think I'm a monster for even bringing
  this up, but given 
  what you've said in your post...  It's going to be
  hard enough to place 
  the mother, if she's healthy.  I can't say what I
  would do in your 
  place.  I'm not you and I have no idea what you
 have
  to contend with.  
  If someone steps up very quickly to adopt her,
  knowing she's pregnant, 
  well that's a different story altogether.  If you
  just found out she's 
  pregnant, I'm supposing she's not too far along. 
  Under the 
  circumstances you describe, if you have her
 spayed,
  the kittens would be 
  aborted at the same time and praying that she
  remains asymptomatic after 
  the stress of the operation, you might have a
 chance
  of placing her.  I 
  couldn't bear to think about what might be in
 store
  for those babies if 
  they lose their mother, and don't have a human
  willing to step in and 
  care for them.  My 2 cents on the harshness of
  reality.  Now, what I'm 
  praying for is that you've fallen in love with
 this
  little stray and 
  you'll want to adopt her yourself.  If so, there
 are
  many wonderful, 
  knowledgeable people on this list who will support
  you no matter where 
  that decision takes you.  I'm also praying that
  someone, if not you, 
  will hear this little girl's story, take her in
 and
  give her the kind of 
  life every 

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

2005-10-31 Thread janine paton
Yes, please don't use Tea Tree Oil on or around cats. 
And if it's a small amount in a product (like Halo
makes an earwash that has T.T. listed in it) I won't
use it either because I wonder what effect it has on
their liver.  

Janine

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 DO NOT USE TEA TREE OIL ON  CATS
 




Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace

2005-09-22 Thread janine paton
Hi all, 

I'm going through this same thing and am so grateful
for all the experience and calmness on this subject. 
And Nina, I don't feel so crazy since reading how you
are feeling the same way.

My cat MacKenzie is not positive, but he is dying.  
His breathing is mostly quieter now, but very shallow.
 He's not hiding at all but has picked a spot on our
bedroom floor under a window.  He's stopped eating,
and stopped drinking too I think.He can't really
walk more than one or two steps. 

My husband and I had this strong feeling that at least
for now he wants to be here but it's a little tough to
sit with. 

 MacKenzie has been a homeopathic patient for the 3
yrs he's been with us, so that's how were handling it
for now too. 

Janine 

 Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My Beloved Group,
 First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to
 participate fully in the 
 group this last couple of weeks.  I love you all,
 but for the last 
 couple of days, I haven't even been able bring
 myself to read the 
 posts.  I'm physically and emotionally exhausted by
 Grace and my last 
 efforts to bring her back to health.  Yesterday, I
 finally resigned 
 myself to thinking of our time together as 'death
 bed vigil'.  Those of 
 you that know me, know that I pray all your babies
 are safe and healthy, 
 and those that are losing, or have lost the battle;
 my love is with 
 you.  I don't know what I would have done without
 the love and support 
 of this group.  You have been a Godsend to me and my
 sweet fur angels.
 
 Yesterday morning Gracie told me she does not want
 to stay.  Among 
 other signs, I was syringe feeding her and she
 refused to swallow.  I'm 
 trying my best to make peace with her decision.  I
 know you understand.  
 She hasn't eaten on her own for a long time now and
 she's skin and 
 bones.  She spent a nice peaceful day, and I did my
 best to just be 
 with her.   During the afternoon she made it clear
 that she didn't want 
 to be sung to, or touched.  It's so hard on me to
 watch her pull away.  
 At one point, she seemed a bit agitated so I ground
 up a tiny bit of 
 Valium and gave it to her in water.  She was so
 relaxed she even did a 
 stretch-semi roll out on the patio in the sun.  She
 did something that 
 startled me, and got my hopes up again.  (I just
 can't stop believing in 
 miracles).  I was giving the dogs treats and she was
 laying on the 
 couch.  Well, we have this thing Grace and I. 
 Whenever the dogs get 
 treats she'd come bounding over the barrier and
 expect one too.  When 
 she saw me giving the dogs treats this afternoon,
 she jumped off the 
 couch.  I started to cry, because I thought, there's
 no way she's going 
 to take a treat.  I put one in front of her anyway
 and you could have 
 knocked me over with a sigh.  It took her a minute
 to decide to eat it, 
 but she not only ate that one, but 3 more.  Then she
 ate 3 or 4 pieces 
 of kibble!  My hopes were short lived though.
 
 I've been up with her most of the night.  She still
 doesn't want my 
 attention.  She doesn't even want me to look at her,
 it's breaking my 
 heart to say goodbye, and I guess it may be making
 it harder for her to 
 go, although that is not my intention.  It's not
 like I don't want her 
 to leave her body, I do.  I want her suffering to be
 over.  Yesterday, 
 when I knew it was time, I called my Internist's
 office to see if Dr. 
 Ortega would be willing to help her cross.  Grace
 has always liked Dr. 
 Ortega, and I thought she would be calmest with her.
  Well, my Internist 
 isn't going to be in the office until Friday.  It
 doesn't seem possible 
 that Grace will still be here by then.  My stance
 has always been, that 
 when I know it's the end, when I know that the
 chance of a recovery 
 after treatment isn't possible, then it's time to
 help them cross.  Even 
 though Grace is peaceful, (she just lays on her side
 and breathes 
 shallow, but relaxed breaths), I have a hard time
 letting nature take 
 it's course.  It's arrogant of me, but I can't stand
 seeing her like 
 this.  I'm also so worried about her being in pain,
 when I look in her 
 eyes, she doesn't seem in pain, but she doesn't seem
 like herself 
 either.  I wouldn't mind vacant, but it's almost
 like she's... not quite 
 angry, more like annoyed to still be here.
 
 Just to let you know...  Over the past week or so, I
 think I may have 
 mentioned it, we've been following an extensive
 homeopathic regime with 
 the help of a practitioner named Darla Palmer. 
 While it didn't save 
 Grace, it did bring her back into her body, and for
 brief glorious 
 moments, back to me.  It was such a joy to see the
 Grace I know and love 
 shining out of her eyes again.
 
 Anyway, here's my question:  Can anyone tell me how
 difficult it is to 
 put an animal to sleep in an emaciated condition? 
 Of course, I don't 
 want to make things harder on her, I want to ease
 her suffering.  What 
 if they can't find a vein, because 

Re: laser toy

2005-09-07 Thread janine paton
Hi Kerry,  

Most of my cats love the laser.  No matter how quietly
I try to take it out of it's hiding spot, some of them
will actually wake up immediately and come running.  I
find it amazing that they know the difference between
the noise the chain on the laser makes and dozens of
others similar noises.

I used to worry about it teasing them also, until one
cat, whenever I took my finger off the switch, came
over and smacked my arm, looking straight into my
eyes, until I turned it back on - then she was back to
pretending it was really something to chase.

And another will just stop and look over his shoulder
at me as if to say Aw, come one, turn it back on! 
(and this one I don't consider to be the brightest of
the bunch g)

So, I decided then they must know, they're just such
great pretenders. 

Janine
--- MacKenzie, Kerry N.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Glad someone mentioned the laser toy--I do use it
 occasionally because
 it's the one thing that never fails to get my 2
 quarantined cats moving.
 But the reason I only use it occasionally is that I
 worry about the
 frustration element-they think there's something to
 catch but they can
 never succeed. Ditto those cat videos showing birds
 etc, with all the
 sound effects. I used to play them, but worried
 about the cats becoming
 depressed. I'd love to hear other opinions. Is there
 any reliable info
 out there on how chasing intangible objects affects
 cats? If I thought
 they were really ok, I'd use them more often. Kerry
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Barb Moermond
 Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:51 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements
 
 
 I would be cautious in using laser pointers as toys
 -
 I know they love it and I bring mine out a couple
 times a year, but it can make some kitties go a
 little
 nuts.  One of the clinic cats where I take my boys
 lost it after having played with the laser toy and
 kept looking for the red dot to the point she was
 attacking other kitties.  No more lasers and she was
 on meds for a while but is OK now.  Just something
 to
 keep in mind!
 
 --- maimaipg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  My alternative vet recommends transfer factor and
  MacroForce for boosting the immune system.  The
  active ingredient in Macro Force is available in
  other brands.  This just happens to be the easiest
  to get in my area of the country.  She also uses
  laser (as has me use a regular laser pointer) on
  various points on the cat's body.  It acts sort of
  like acupuncture.  You would have to get someone
 to
  show you the points or try to figure it out from
 the
  internet.  Keep the light out of the eyes.  But
  enjoy running the light in circles around the cat.
 
  Mine love to chase the little red dot they can't
  catch.  For $20 it is a wonderful toy even if you
  can't figure the alternative med stuff out.   It
  stimulates their interest and gives them exercise
  that has to help their morale.
  - Original Message - 
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements
  
  
I do not think that any supplements will help
 with
  the anemia directly unless it is iron anemia,
 which
  is very rare in cats and probably is not the case
  with him.  I would put him on 500 mg per day of
  Lysine, split into two doses, and a multi-vitamin
  supplement (like Pet Tinic, which does have iron)
  and maybe switch on and off between echinacea and
  astragalus every week. I would mix them into baby
  food twice per day in small doses and let him eat
  them.  People also rave about Transfer Factor,
 which
  I have not tried yet, so maybe that as well. I
 would
  start with one at a time so if he does not want to
  eat the baby food you will know which supplement
 he
  does not like.
Michelle
 
 
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Re: Jen----Nutrical

2005-08-31 Thread janine paton
I have a cat who is negative, but he doesn't want to
eat either.  
My homeopathic vet recommends a supplement called
Amino B-Plex.  
It has amino acids, B vitamins to stimulate the
appetite, potassium, iron, a few other things that
aren't  familiar to me.  It's a liquid, and they seem
to like it.  You just squirt it in their mouth.  

It doesn't have sodium benzoate, which is a
preservative that isn't OK for cats (even tho a lot of
cat products use it)

I don't know how high calorie it is, but I am
wondering how many calories are in a tablespoon of
nutrical and what that actually translates to for a
cat?  

The website listed on the bottle is www.naturaldvm.com
if anyone is interested. 

Janine 

  
--- Elizabeth Paz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 I've never heard of Nutrical, is it a food
 supplement?  This sounds very 
 good and quite easy to give, at this point I am
 willing to try anything.  
 Thank you so much, I will be picking up a tube
 tomorrow.
 
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kitten with swollen glands and positive feral mom cat

2005-08-28 Thread janine paton
Hello everyone, 

A while back I joined this list after trapping 5
kittens who tested positive.  

Luckily, all 5 have been placed.  One little guy named
Emmet went to a home as a companion to another
positive cat.  
The adoptive mom's vet said Emmet's glands are swollen
and doesn't give this kitten long.  Is this
necessarily so?

Their positive mother, who is quite feral,is still
crated weeks after her spay because there is some
conflict as to what to do with her.  She was sick at
the time we trapped her, and very thin, but now she is
eating so well it's hard to look at her like she's
sick.  Her orginal caretaker doesn't want her returned
to her yard, more out of fear that the cat will get
sick again, go off somewhere and die.  The cat was not
a piece of cake to trap in the first place, and is the
most secretive of the adults in the yard, so I can see
where she's coming from.  She doesn't want her living
in a cage either...any thoughts on this?

Thank you,

Janine




Re: kitten with swollen glands and positive feral mom cat

2005-08-28 Thread janine paton
Yes, she tested positive with the IFA test.   We are
primarily a small TNR group and don't always test, but
she was so thin and run down, we had her tested.  

The other adults looked OK.  Many of the 14 kittens,
positive and negative, had health issues, which we're
getting through.   

We are based in Stamford, CT, which is south towards
NY City.   
 

Janine

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So the mom is FELV+?  Where are you located. One
 possibility is to find a 
 rescue that will take (feral) FELV cats.
 
 Gloria
 
 
 At 09:31 AM 8/28/2005, you wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 
 A while back I joined this list after trapping 5
 kittens who tested positive.
 
 Luckily, all 5 have been placed.  One little guy
 named
 Emmet went to a home as a companion to another
 positive cat.
 The adoptive mom's vet said Emmet's glands are
 swollen
 and doesn't give this kitten long.  Is this
 necessarily so?
 
 Their positive mother, who is quite feral,is still
 crated weeks after her spay because there is some
 conflict as to what to do with her.  She was sick
 at
 the time we trapped her, and very thin, but now she
 is
 eating so well it's hard to look at her like she's
 sick.  Her orginal caretaker doesn't want her
 returned
 to her yard, more out of fear that the cat will get
 sick again, go off somewhere and die.  The cat was
 not
 a piece of cake to trap in the first place, and is
 the
 most secretive of the adults in the yard, so I can
 see
 where she's coming from.  She doesn't want her
 living
 in a cage either...any thoughts on this?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Janine
 
 
 




Re: kitten with swollen glands and positive feral mom cat

2005-08-28 Thread janine paton
Our website is www.adoptapet.org - we have a ways to
go with the site, but if you take a look, Emmet, the
positive kitten with the swollen glands, is on our
home page.  Even tho he's been placed, the picture is
so cute we thought it might help people realize
positive cats need homes too. 

Janine

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So the mom is FELV+?  Where are you located. One
 possibility is to find a 
 rescue that will take (feral) FELV cats.
 
 Gloria
 
 
 At 09:31 AM 8/28/2005, you wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 
 A while back I joined this list after trapping 5
 kittens who tested positive.
 
 Luckily, all 5 have been placed.  One little guy
 named
 Emmet went to a home as a companion to another
 positive cat.
 The adoptive mom's vet said Emmet's glands are
 swollen
 and doesn't give this kitten long.  Is this
 necessarily so?
 
 Their positive mother, who is quite feral,is still
 crated weeks after her spay because there is some
 conflict as to what to do with her.  She was sick
 at
 the time we trapped her, and very thin, but now she
 is
 eating so well it's hard to look at her like she's
 sick.  Her orginal caretaker doesn't want her
 returned
 to her yard, more out of fear that the cat will get
 sick again, go off somewhere and die.  The cat was
 not
 a piece of cake to trap in the first place, and is
 the
 most secretive of the adults in the yard, so I can
 see
 where she's coming from.  She doesn't want her
 living
 in a cage either...any thoughts on this?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Janine
 
 
 




Re: kitten with swollen glands and positive feral mom cat

2005-08-28 Thread janine paton
Gloria, 

Thanks for that 2c.  I got the feeling the vet was
leaning towards euth'sia and I didn't want to argue
the point when I   don't really know what I'm talking
about. 

Janine

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Regarding Emmet, My guess would be that's not
 necessarily so (that he's 
 dying).  Could be fighting it off.  They can do
 that.  Could be fighting 
 something else off, like a uri.  Or on the other
 hand would be developing 
 lymphoma.   WOuld require a vet check.  Might start
 giving him interferon 
 Alpha, or some other immune system boosters.
 
 Just my 2c.
 
 Gloria
 in Arkansas
 
 At 09:31 AM 8/28/2005, you wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 ...
 The adoptive mom's vet said Emmet's glands are
 swollen
 and doesn't give this kitten long.  Is this
 necessarily so?
 
 Their positive mother, who is quite feral,is still
 crated weeks after her spay because there is some
 conflict as to what to do with her.  She was sick
 at
 the time we trapped her, and very thin, but now she
 is
 eating so well it's hard to look at her like she's
 sick.  Her orginal caretaker doesn't want her
 returned
 to her yard, more out of fear that the cat will get
 sick again, go off somewhere and die.  The cat was
 not
 a piece of cake to trap in the first place, and is
 the
 most secretive of the adults in the yard, so I can
 see
 where she's coming from.  She doesn't want her
 living
 in a cage either...any thoughts on this?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Janine
 
 
 





new to list - question on kittens and comment re Georgie

2005-08-05 Thread janine paton
 Hi, 
 
 Hope I'm doing this correctly, I'm not very good at
 these lists. 
 I'm with a small rescue group and we've trapped
 fourteen 10 - 12 week old kittens (three moms) from
 one yard.  They are being socialized in 3 or 4
 foster
 homes.  It's a lot of work and time and the kittens
 are already at a disadvantage because by the time
 they
 are socialized, they're not 8 - 12 weeks anymore. 
 
 Started trapping the adults to TNR and the original
 mom cat, who didn't look so hot, tested - IFA -
 Leukemia positive.  
 
 I'm OK with FIV and have had plenty of experience
 with
 it, but I've found different vets have different and
 sometimes radical opinions, so I am assuming it's
 the
 same with leukemia.  
 
 I'm looking for some practical advice - when to
 test,
 ELISA or IFA...I'm trying to get as much current and
 correct information as possible, but am getting a
 little mixed up.  Fourteen feral kittens aare a lot
 for us even under the best circumstances.
 
 What should we do next? 
 
 As far as Georgie, there's a website called
 www.catsinthebag.org - it is excellent for helping
 to
 find lost cats. 
 
 Thanks, 
 
 Janine
 
 
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